Re: [Elecraft] K3 and transverters

2012-09-16 Thread Jim Brown
On 9/15/2012 10:43 PM, Vic Goncharsky wrote:
 What I am personally looking for is information about on the air performance 
 of 144 and 432 Elecraft transverters in strong signal environments like 
 VHF/UHF contests in dense areas with multi-kilowatt  folks occupying mountain 
 tops all around.

I recall such a review in QST something like 4-5 years ago. Obviously it 
applies to the outboard unit, and I think I recall it being the 2M 
version.  Check the ARRL product review archives. Members can download 
the pdf.  I do remember that it was tested in a contesting environment 
(east coast, maybe New England or the mountains around DC) with a lot of 
strong signals, and that it was a very positive review.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and transverters

2012-09-16 Thread K7MDL
I used mine at home and more often on mountain tops during VHF+ contests as a
rover.  I am often in line of sight to other high power rovers and the KW
stations in the valleys below.  I used a K2 with my transverters.  After a
number of previous rover setups that did not do well, I found this combo
worked well.  I had no more adjacent bleed issues, and stability was quite
acceptable.  I have since swapped the K2 for the K3 just because :-) . 

I have not had the K3 combo out on a mountain top yet.  I have done
extensive A/B swapping at the home station between the XV144 and K144XV and
show no discernable difference in performance except some noise/spur pickup
and lower output power in the K144XV (no surprise).  That is offset by
having the 4Mhz band coverage making FM possible.  I like that since I an
pickup Simplex QSOs and do some occasional repeater or satellite work and
use the same antennas, no extra switching or rotators required.





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Re: [Elecraft] kX3 and L ion battery

2012-09-16 Thread Phil Townsend
Ah Yes thats what I needed to know
Thank You.






On Sep 15, 2012, at 11:47 PM, Hjalmar Duklæt dukl...@broadpark.no wrote:

15.0V is max. At 15.1V the KX3 goes dead due to protection.

73 de Hasl
LA4XX

On 12-09-15, Phil Townsend phi...@mac.com wrote:
 If I install l ion batteries in the KX3 the total volts will be about 15.2 
 plus or minus... So what is the absolute Vmax for the KX3?
 
 Phil
 K5SSR
 Santa Fe
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and transverters

2012-09-16 Thread Don Wilhelm
Jim,

mountains around DC ???
I used to live in Barnsville, MD overlooking Sugarloaf Mountain, and 
that is about as close to mountains around DC  as it gets.  I cannot 
recall the height of Sugarloaf Mountain, but it was not that great, and 
it was private property when I was there in the 1980s - but the owners 
provided a path to the summit for visitors.

It was often referred to as a bump out of place.  One must go quite a 
ways Northwestward from DC to encounter mountains.   Western Maryland 
yes, Southern Pennsylvania, yes, but much of Maryland is the eastern 
coastal. plains was flat and without bumps- yes those Eastern coastal 
plains do turn quickly into mountains, so your choice of position is a 
big factor in your assessment of vertical altitude.

If one wants mountains when in Maryland, it is advised to head for 
Western Virginia and the Shenandoah Mountain range.  Southwest of 
Maryland is the great Shenandoah National Park where My family 
vacationed for many years.  My children grew up on the instructions from 
the park rangers at Big Meadows.

73,
Don W3FPR

  9/16/2012 2:06 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
 On 9/15/2012 10:43 PM, Vic Goncharsky wrote:
 What I am personally looking for is information about on the air performance 
 of 144 and 432 Elecraft transverters in strong signal environments like 
 VHF/UHF contests in dense areas with multi-kilowatt  folks occupying 
 mountain tops all around.
 I recall such a review in QST something like 4-5 years ago. Obviously it
 applies to the outboard unit, and I think I recall it being the 2M
 version.  Check the ARRL product review archives. Members can download
 the pdf.  I do remember that it was tested in a contesting environment
 (east coast, maybe New England or the mountains around DC) with a lot of
 strong signals, and that it was a very positive review.

 73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] K3: Use of KX3 USB/RS232 cable

2012-09-16 Thread Edward R Cole
I have been trying to use the KX3 USB/RS232 cable to command my K3 
via its RS232 port.  I assumed that this would  require only the RXD 
and TXD connections that is supported by the KX3 cable.  But it will 
not establish contact with the K3.

I have a conversion box with a stereo 3.5mm mini-phone connector 
connected to a DB9 for making the connection with the K3.  Tip 
--pin-2 (DB9) and Ring -- pin-3 (DB9);  Gnd -- pin-5 (DB9).

My K3 Prolific USB/RS232 cable makes contact with the K3 with no issues.

The KX3 cable is connected via com-3 while the K3 cable is connected 
via com-5.  Looking at these ports on the device manager the 
appropriate drivers are installed for each port and indicate they are 
working.  Com-3 connects to the KX3 fine and com-5 connects with the 
K3 fine (using the appropriate utility sw).

Just wondering if there is something incompatible between these two 
serial cables that they cannot be used with the other radio?

The reason for asking is that I need both com ports to support 
operation from two programs that need to communicate simultaneously 
with the K3.  One sw is only requires RTS or DTR to control PTT, 
while the other sw is using RXD and TXD to execute a frequency command.

Both programs operate correctly with the K3 if I use the K3 serial 
cable to connect them.

73, Ed - KL7UW

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[Elecraft] [P3] SVGA display issues - couple probs in fact!

2012-09-16 Thread Simon Lewis

I got my new P3 working this weekend 

what a fun box!

v handy - I will enjoy using this on VHF too 


I have a couple issues 

Every couple mins the whole noise floor jumps and a horizontal line appears 
across this display 

is this somekind of time marker or something else 

??

Also my shack this morning was cold  and for a while I got some 
interference bars that sloped across the screen on the VGA monitor

once the place warmed up they disappeared


anyone else see this

???

Cheers

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[Elecraft] [P3] P3 and K144XV tvtr

2012-09-16 Thread Simon Lewis


Does the P3 need the transverter gain setting altered when using the int K144XV 
tvtr

or is it set ok ??

I needed to bump the ref level down to about -156 to get the noise floor at a 
decent level on the P3

Anyone else using the P3 with the K144XV??

CHeers


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Re: [Elecraft] NH8S

2012-09-16 Thread Ron Polityka
Congratulation Howie.

 I was trying all evening yesterday to work NH8S on 10 or 
15m.

Finally got him in the log on 21.030 @ 01:50 UTC.

K2 @ 5w and beam.

72 and Thanks,
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL

K1 - SN 01011
K2 - SN 01392

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Re: [Elecraft] [P3] SVGA display issues - couple probs in fact!

2012-09-16 Thread David G4DMP
Yes, Simon, you will likely find that the sloping signals drifting
across the waterfall are caused by local switched mode PSUs. Perhaps
your own?

I have found the P3 causes some interference on 2 metres. This was cured
quite simple by placing a ferrite clamp-on at each end of the power
cable between the P3 and K3.

I hope that helps.

73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, Simon Lewis gm4...@hotmail.com writes

I got my new P3 working this weekend
what a fun box!
v handy - I will enjoy using this on VHF too
I have a couple issues 
Every couple mins the whole noise floor jumps and a horizontal line
appears across this display
is this somekind of time marker or something else

Also my shack this morning was cold  and for a while I got some
interference bars that sloped across the screen on the VGA monitor
once the place warmed up they disappeared

anyone else see this

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Re: [Elecraft] [P3] P3 and K144XV tvtr

2012-09-16 Thread David G4DMP
Yes again, Simon, there are two XV setting options on the far clockwise
positions of the P3 menu.  One of these is 'XV Gain' and is provided for
precisely the reason you describe. (My firmware version is 1.19 beta)

73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, Simon Lewis gm4...@hotmail.com writes

Does the P3 need the transverter gain setting altered when using the
int K144XV tvtr

or is it set ok ??

I needed to bump the ref level down to about -156 to get the noise
floor at a decent level on the P3

Anyone else using the P3 with the K144XV??
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Re: [Elecraft] [P3] P3 and K144XV tvtr

2012-09-16 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
not yet, XV144 not yet built, but will be, so reading with interest
73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
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On 16 Sep 2012, at 10:52, Simon Lewis wrote:

 
 Anyone else using the P3 with the K144XV??

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Re: [Elecraft] [P3] SVGA display issues - couple probs in fact!

2012-09-16 Thread Simon Lewis

Yes I found some interference on 144 and on 28 MHz from the P3 

Ill throw some ferrites round the PSU cable

the interference sloping on the screen did not occur on the SDR-IQ hanging off 
the IF port too 

so puzzled by it 

will see if I can make it occur again sometime!

Cheers

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 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:02:06 +0100
 To: gm4...@hotmail.com
 CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 From: da...@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [P3] SVGA display issues - couple probs in fact!
 
 Yes, Simon, you will likely find that the sloping signals drifting
 across the waterfall are caused by local switched mode PSUs. Perhaps
 your own?
 
 I have found the P3 causes some interference on 2 metres. This was cured
 quite simple by placing a ferrite clamp-on at each end of the power
 cable between the P3 and K3.
 
 I hope that helps.
 
 73 de David G4DMP
 
 In a recent message, Simon Lewis gm4...@hotmail.com writes
 
 I got my new P3 working this weekend
 what a fun box!
 v handy - I will enjoy using this on VHF too
 I have a couple issues 
 Every couple mins the whole noise floor jumps and a horizontal line
 appears across this display
 is this somekind of time marker or something else
 
 Also my shack this morning was cold  and for a while I got some
 interference bars that sloped across the screen on the VGA monitor
 once the place warmed up they disappeared
 
 anyone else see this
 
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Re: [Elecraft] [P3] P3 and K144XV tvtr

2012-09-16 Thread Simon Lewis

Ahh I did wonder if it needed bumped up 

Ill have a play tomorrow

been fun listening to 20m all day watching the world whizz by on the the screen 

the P3 is fun ... with the SVGA ... its awesome :)

The ext monitor option is worth every penny 

now if only I could use a mouse on those waterfalls!

:)

mind you with SDR-IQ hanging off the IF port I can use the PC to drag the K3 
round

fun!

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 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:09:05 +0100
 To: gm4...@hotmail.com
 CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 From: da...@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [P3] P3 and K144XV tvtr
 
 Yes again, Simon, there are two XV setting options on the far clockwise
 positions of the P3 menu.  One of these is 'XV Gain' and is provided for
 precisely the reason you describe. (My firmware version is 1.19 beta)
 
 73 de David G4DMP
 
 In a recent message, Simon Lewis gm4...@hotmail.com writes
 
 Does the P3 need the transverter gain setting altered when using the
 int K144XV tvtr
 
 or is it set ok ??
 
 I needed to bump the ref level down to about -156 to get the noise
 floor at a decent level on the P3
 
 Anyone else using the P3 with the K144XV??
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and transverters

2012-09-16 Thread Geoffrey Downs
It's possible that I was among the first, if not the first, to report the 
K144XV self-oscillation problem in March 2010 not long after it started 
shipping. It took six months to solve, including 3 replacements units, a 
replacement KXV3A and a lot of emails, tests and effort on both sides of the 
Atlantic. David G4DMP whose K144XV showed the same problem eventually 
isolated it. As he has said in an earlier posting, the solution, discovered 
in September 2010, was simple in the end. It is implemented in K144XVs 
shipped since then and referred to in an Errata Sheet for the K144XV 
Installation Manual dated September 30th 2010.  It applies to pages 15 and 
16 of the Manual and involves the omission of one of the screws holding the 
top cover. I believe the metal standoff beneath the hole may also be omitted 
now but is still shown in the photograph on page 14 of the Manual, the date 
of which precedes the solution. In the unlikely event of anyone out there 
still having the problem, the above details may help.

As will be apparent the support from Elecraft was unstinting and the K144XV 
may now be bought with full confidence. I would agree, however, that the 
K144RFLK is essential, for CW and SSB operation operation at least. I have 
never had problems with strong local signals but here the 2m band is so 
rarely awash with them that it's not surprising.

73 to all

Geoff
G3UCK


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Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:02 AM

It's my understanding that the oscillation problem was solved long ago by
(IIRC) a change in the K144XV pc board ground scheme. 

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[Elecraft] Repair facility in UK?

2012-09-16 Thread reliant325
I inherited a K3/100 a short while ago.
It seems that there is a problem with no RX or TX on 160m. The support dept 
pointed me
towards the LPF section.
I have had a look at it but my eyes/hands are no longer capable at PCB level 
and I am
wondering if there is a repair facility in the UK.

Thanks de Roger G0IUW
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Use of KX3 USB/RS232 cable

2012-09-16 Thread Jim Rhodes
First thing that come to mind is, are the baud rates set the same. I know
the default baud rates are different.

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 3:53 AM, Edward R Cole kl...@acsalaska.net wrote:

 I have been trying to use the KX3 USB/RS232 cable to command my K3
 via its RS232 port.  I assumed that this would  require only the RXD
 and TXD connections that is supported by the KX3 cable.  But it will
 not establish contact with the K3.

 I have a conversion box with a stereo 3.5mm mini-phone connector
 connected to a DB9 for making the connection with the K3.  Tip
 --pin-2 (DB9) and Ring -- pin-3 (DB9);  Gnd -- pin-5 (DB9).

 My K3 Prolific USB/RS232 cable makes contact with the K3 with no issues.

 The KX3 cable is connected via com-3 while the K3 cable is connected
 via com-5.  Looking at these ports on the device manager the
 appropriate drivers are installed for each port and indicate they are
 working.  Com-3 connects to the KX3 fine and com-5 connects with the
 K3 fine (using the appropriate utility sw).

 Just wondering if there is something incompatible between these two
 serial cables that they cannot be used with the other radio?

 The reason for asking is that I need both com ports to support
 operation from two programs that need to communicate simultaneously
 with the K3.  One sw is only requires RTS or DTR to control PTT,
 while the other sw is using RXD and TXD to execute a frequency command.

 Both programs operate correctly with the K3 if I use the K3 serial
 cable to connect them.

 73, Ed - KL7UW

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[Elecraft] K3 PLL 1 problem

2012-09-16 Thread Sam Morgan
Today I started having a PLL 1 problem.
I even saw an ERR PL1 show (only) one time

I first noticed it when on 160m.
I was on A=1.900 and B=1.895 then I went into Sub.

I can switch from VFO A to B back and forth and all is ok

I turn the Sub on With VFO A on 1.900  VFO B on 1.895
then if I switch A/B
the 1st time works
then the next time (when I switch back B/A)
PLL 1 = *00

It doesn't matter which VFO (A or B) is on 1.900 and which is on 1.895
the failure is always on the 1.895 frequency.

If I move VFO A knob the PLL will resync.

With Sub on or off
If I pick any other combination of 160m frequencies separated by 5khz
or separated by any amount, or even on the same frequencies.
A/B B/A works just fine PLL 1 doesn't lose its sync and give me  *00

It works as it should when Sub is *NOT* on!
It only fails when Sub is on and only with the 1.900  1.895 combination.

This was working on previously. Today is the 1st time it has failed.

I have rerun the synthesizer calibration on both PLL 1  2

===
when VFO A is tuned to 1.900  PLL 1 = 3.4
when VFO A is tuned to 1.895  PLL 1 = 3.3
when VFO B is tuned to 1.900  PLL 2 = 2.2
when VFO B is tuned to 1.895  PLL 2 = 2.2
===
===
PLL 1 varies with turning the dial from as low as 1.6, up to 5.8
PLL 2 doesn't ever seem to vary from 2.2
then again I can't turn VFO B and watch it as I turn
but even if I turn VFO B around and then check PLL 2
PLL 2 is always 2.2 when I check it.
===
any ideas, comments?

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Swains Island 5 watts

2012-09-16 Thread pkhjr
What antennas were ya'll using?

73 Tex
ka5y



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Re: [Elecraft] Repair facility in UK?

2012-09-16 Thread Julian, G4ILO
Waters and Stanton is building Elecraft products in the UK and is offering a
full warranty on them. So they presumably have repair facilities.

What you really need is a British W3FPR!

Julian, G4ILO



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Re: [Elecraft] Question about suspending a delta loop...

2012-09-16 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Rick,

Is your delta loop suspended with its apex up or down, or is it a horizontal 
loop?  If the apex is down or up it is better to use only one counterweight, 
otherwise the antenna will walk if  the trees sway in the wind.  A 
supporting catenary will also walk if a counterweight is used at each end.

At my last QTH in GM all of my HF wire antennas were supported by tall pines 
and exposed to very high winds.  So I might be able to offer some 
suggestions if you could please tell me about the configuration of your 
loop.

73,
Geoff
LX2AO



On September 16, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Rick McClelland, AA5S wrote:


I have a 240' delta loop suspended at three points about my QTH.  I've been
 pondering adding another 47' but this is quite a challenge given the
 dimensions of my suburban lot. One thing I'm considering is to make good
 use of two trees located in a common area outside my property lines. 
 Easily
 said, but I would not want to hang a 5 kg line ballast at either of these
 points because I can imagine a couple of neighborhood youths scaling a 
 tree
 with one of them cutting a line causing the 5kg weight to crash down upon
 the tender skull of the other youth.

 Legal matters notwithstanding, my question is whether I'm inviting certain
 mechanical failure if I fix the two endpoints outside my property lines 
 and
 make use of only a single 5 kg ballast on the tree located within my
 property lines. The advantage of doing this is obvious, if any of the
 supporting lines outside my property are cut, the antenna falls onto my
 property and there is no possibility of injury to the purpetrators of the
 dastardly deed.

 As a possibly relevant aside, I don't use a typical insulator at each of
 the three suspension points. I use a 4 flat acrylic insulator with two 6
 acrylic insulators attached to the end of the 4 insulator such that the
 resulting insulating apparatus appears to be a rather large 8 tuning rod.
 In my non-mechanical-engineering mind, I imagine that having the insulator
 arranged in such a fashion reduces the peak tension at each apex of the
 triangle and also allows the wire to move more freely through the 
 insulator
 without binding at that point.  I realize that this matter isn't related 
 to
 any Elecraft product but there are so many sage OMs here that I feel that
 an answer will be quickly forthcoming and without controversy.

 -- 
 Rick McClelland, AA5S
 Fort Collins, CO

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[Elecraft] FW: Question about suspending a delta loop...

2012-09-16 Thread gary bartlett
I intended to post this here in case anyone else is playing with delta
loops.  It's a lot of wire in the air!

73,
Gary VE1RGB

-Original Message-
From: gary bartlett [mailto:garybartl...@accesswave.ca] 
Sent: September 16, 2012 1:02 PM
To: 'Rick McClelland, AA5S'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Question about suspending a delta loop...

Rick, I will describe what I have.  Perhaps it will trigger something useful
for you.  
 
 I have a full-size 160M delta loop that is made from a single piece of that
*Silky* jacketed wire which is wonderful around trees.  It is routed over
pulleys at the three corners, with the apex at a yardarm about 90 feet up a
tower.  The loop is roughly 75 feet per side, not a true delta shape. My
antenna is fed to the radio using ladderline and operated multi-band through
a 9:1 Guanella balun from 160M to 6M.  It's buried in the woods.  It's
matched by the transmatch in my K3.  I ignore the losses in the ladder line
with CW.

It is ordinarily fed as a loop at one corner although I am experimenting
with what happens when one starts opening corners opposite to the feed point
and feeding the antenna as some sort of irregular bipolar contraption.  From
the station I will soon be able to remotely reverse the feed points as well
as open or close relays at will at the corners opposite to the feeds.  EZNEC
suggests that I have a tonne of impressive lobes and low angles on some
bands.  While the delta loop is off the best heading by virtue of
limitations on where I could hang it, I will at least be able to reverse the
antenna patterns and see what that does for me.  

Up here we get freezing rain and high winds and ice build-up all at the same
time, and is always a threat to wire antennas.  Therefore I hang all my
antennas with bungee cords wherever the haul down ropes or other means of
securing the antenna are located. To this, at the most accessible point of
the antenna suspension system, I add a tie-wrap as the final means of
securing the bungee cord (and hence the antenna) at ground level.  I call
this a frangible fuse, I termed I robbed from working in aerospace.  


A physics guy can explain it better, but really big forces build up in the
antenna if it takes a sudden shock.  Something about overcoming resting
inertia made sense to me when I read about it.  Ballast is not a good idea
up here.  We need something compliant like the bungee cords everywhere there
is an opportunity to fit them.

  If the bungee cord goes to the  limits of its travel, it breaks the
tie-wrap, allowing the antenna to gracefully sag to the ground and rest
until I pull it up again and replace the tie wrap.  I want my antennas to
fall down without damage so I have built a deliberate failure point in the
system at minimum walking distance from the station.

I have paid the price from having antennas destroyed by weather but this
method is nearly fool-proof and it has frequently been tested.  No antennas
have been destroyed in this story.   It doesn't matter what causes the
sudden force on either of my wire antennas; if it is bad enough, it results
in a graceful fall of the antenna wires to the trees below with its feedline
intact and ready for quick return to service.  

73,
Gary  VE1RGB

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick McClelland, AA5S
Sent: September 15, 2012 11:38 PM
To: Elecraft Discussion List
Subject: [Elecraft] Question about suspending a delta loop...

I have a 240' delta loop suspended at three points about my QTH.  I've been
pondering adding another 47' but this is quite a challenge given the
dimensions of my suburban lot. One thing I'm considering is to make good
use of two trees located in a common area outside my property lines. Easily
said, but I would not want to hang a 5 kg line ballast at either of these
points because I can imagine a couple of neighbourhood youths scaling a tree
with one of them cutting a line causing the 5kg weight to crash down upon
the tender skull of the other youth.

Legal matters notwithstanding, my question is whether I'm inviting certain
mechanical failure if I fix the two endpoints outside my property lines and
make use of only a single 5 kg ballast on the tree located within my
property lines. The advantage of doing this is obvious, if any of the
supporting lines outside my property are cut, the antenna falls onto my
property and there is no possibility of injury to the perpetrators of the
dastardly deed.

As a possibly relevant aside, I don't use a typical insulator at each of
the three suspension points. I use a 4 flat acrylic insulator with two 6
acrylic insulators attached to the end of the 4 insulator such that the
resulting insulating apparatus appears to be a rather large 8 tuning rod.
In my non-mechanical-engineering mind, I imagine that having the insulator
arranged in such a fashion reduces the peak tension at each apex of the
triangle and also allows the wire to 

Re: [Elecraft] Question about suspending a delta loop...

2012-09-16 Thread Rick McClelland, AA5S
Geoffrey, I did leave out that important point.  My delta loop is oriented
horizontally, all three support points are at the same height (about 40')
in three different trees.

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy lx...@pt.luwrote:

 Rick,

 Is your delta loop suspended with its apex up or down, or is it a
 horizontal loop?  If the apex is down or up it is better to use only one
 counterweight, otherwise the antenna will walk if  the trees sway in the
 wind.  A supporting catenary will also walk if a counterweight is used at
 each end.

 At my last QTH in GM all of my HF wire antennas were supported by tall
 pines and exposed to very high winds.  So I might be able to offer some
 suggestions if you could please tell me about the configuration of your
 loop.

 73,
 Geoff
 LX2AO




 On September 16, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Rick McClelland, AA5S wrote:


  I have a 240' delta loop suspended at three points about my QTH.  I've
 been
 pondering adding another 47' but this is quite a challenge given the
 dimensions of my suburban lot. One thing I'm considering is to make good
 use of two trees located in a common area outside my property lines.
 Easily
 said, but I would not want to hang a 5 kg line ballast at either of these
 points because I can imagine a couple of neighborhood youths scaling a
 tree
 with one of them cutting a line causing the 5kg weight to crash down upon
 the tender skull of the other youth.

 Legal matters notwithstanding, my question is whether I'm inviting certain
 mechanical failure if I fix the two endpoints outside my property lines
 and
 make use of only a single 5 kg ballast on the tree located within my
 property lines. The advantage of doing this is obvious, if any of the
 supporting lines outside my property are cut, the antenna falls onto my
 property and there is no possibility of injury to the purpetrators of the
 dastardly deed.

 As a possibly relevant aside, I don't use a typical insulator at each of
 the three suspension points. I use a 4 flat acrylic insulator with two 6
 acrylic insulators attached to the end of the 4 insulator such that the
 resulting insulating apparatus appears to be a rather large 8 tuning rod.
 In my non-mechanical-engineering mind, I imagine that having the insulator
 arranged in such a fashion reduces the peak tension at each apex of the
 triangle and also allows the wire to move more freely through the
 insulator
 without binding at that point.  I realize that this matter isn't related
 to
 any Elecraft product but there are so many sage OMs here that I feel that
 an answer will be quickly forthcoming and without controversy.

 --
 Rick McClelland, AA5S
 Fort Collins, CO





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Fort Collins, CO
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Swains Island 5 watts

2012-09-16 Thread Phil Townsend
I was using a Gap vertical mono bander on 20 meters... but the contact was on 
10 meters! The internal ATU works just fine!

On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:05 AM, pkhjr k...@yahoo.com wrote:

What antennas were ya'll using?

73 Tex
ka5y



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[Elecraft] (KX3) OMG My brand new KX3 has a nasty little problem!

2012-09-16 Thread bruce whitney
The DC cable/connection is flaky.. any movement of the cord or twisting of the 
connector kills the power and of course when turning it back on again the radio 
comes back in default - many KHz away and in a different mode than the QSO - I 
wanted to throw it through the window! I will call the boys in Aptos tomorrow - 
anybody else have this problem?
Bruce W8RA

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[Elecraft] Mini Modules for Sale AF1 and W1

2012-09-16 Thread NZ8J
I have two mini modules for sale that I thought I would list here before
offering them elsewhere.

Both are in excellent condition and both come with the W8FGU's
aftermarket Plexiglas enclosures and manuals, NO power cords (but they
will operate from internal 9vdc battery if you install one)

Non smoking environment

W1 Wattmeter with enclosure, manuals, and W1 serial cable - $125 shipped
in the US

AF1 Active audio filter with enclosure, manual - $75 shipped in the US

Prefer Paypal but will accept US postal money order

I have pictures for those interested.
Thanks 
Tim
NZ8J


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[Elecraft] Swains Is w/KX3

2012-09-16 Thread Howard Hoyt
Hi Tex,

I was using one of Budd's compact dipoles set for 15M at about 10ft 
height...and I live in a river valley!

Howie - WA4PSC
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Re: [Elecraft] FW: Question about suspending a delta loop...

2012-09-16 Thread Rick McClelland, AA5S
Gary,

Your point about using bungee cords seems like a good idea.  I've found
some nice GEAR Resistance Shock Cord Assemblies on the Internet (
http://www.adrenalindreams.com/gallery14.html) that seem like suitable
candidates.

I must admit that I can't quite picture the manner that you are using the
tie wraps in your installation but it sounds like that arrangement is only
suitable for a vertically oriented delta loop as opposed to my horizontally
oriented loop.

Rick




On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 10:05 AM, gary bartlett
garybartl...@accesswave.cawrote:

 I intended to post this here in case anyone else is playing with delta
 loops.  It's a lot of wire in the air!

 73,
 Gary VE1RGB

 -Original Message-
 From: gary bartlett [mailto:garybartl...@accesswave.ca]
 Sent: September 16, 2012 1:02 PM
 To: 'Rick McClelland, AA5S'
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Question about suspending a delta loop...

 Rick, I will describe what I have.  Perhaps it will trigger something
 useful
 for you.

  I have a full-size 160M delta loop that is made from a single piece of
 that
 *Silky* jacketed wire which is wonderful around trees.  It is routed over
 pulleys at the three corners, with the apex at a yardarm about 90 feet up a
 tower.  The loop is roughly 75 feet per side, not a true delta shape. My
 antenna is fed to the radio using ladderline and operated multi-band
 through
 a 9:1 Guanella balun from 160M to 6M.  It's buried in the woods.  It's
 matched by the transmatch in my K3.  I ignore the losses in the ladder line
 with CW.

 It is ordinarily fed as a loop at one corner although I am experimenting
 with what happens when one starts opening corners opposite to the feed
 point
 and feeding the antenna as some sort of irregular bipolar contraption.
  From
 the station I will soon be able to remotely reverse the feed points as well
 as open or close relays at will at the corners opposite to the feeds.
  EZNEC
 suggests that I have a tonne of impressive lobes and low angles on some
 bands.  While the delta loop is off the best heading by virtue of
 limitations on where I could hang it, I will at least be able to reverse
 the
 antenna patterns and see what that does for me.

 Up here we get freezing rain and high winds and ice build-up all at the
 same
 time, and is always a threat to wire antennas.  Therefore I hang all my
 antennas with bungee cords wherever the haul down ropes or other means of
 securing the antenna are located. To this, at the most accessible point of
 the antenna suspension system, I add a tie-wrap as the final means of
 securing the bungee cord (and hence the antenna) at ground level.  I call
 this a frangible fuse, I termed I robbed from working in aerospace.


 A physics guy can explain it better, but really big forces build up in the
 antenna if it takes a sudden shock.  Something about overcoming resting
 inertia made sense to me when I read about it.  Ballast is not a good idea
 up here.  We need something compliant like the bungee cords everywhere
 there
 is an opportunity to fit them.

   If the bungee cord goes to the  limits of its travel, it breaks the
 tie-wrap, allowing the antenna to gracefully sag to the ground and rest
 until I pull it up again and replace the tie wrap.  I want my antennas to
 fall down without damage so I have built a deliberate failure point in the
 system at minimum walking distance from the station.

 I have paid the price from having antennas destroyed by weather but this
 method is nearly fool-proof and it has frequently been tested.  No antennas
 have been destroyed in this story.   It doesn't matter what causes the
 sudden force on either of my wire antennas; if it is bad enough, it results
 in a graceful fall of the antenna wires to the trees below with its
 feedline
 intact and ready for quick return to service.

 73,
 Gary  VE1RGB

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick McClelland,
 AA5S
 Sent: September 15, 2012 11:38 PM
 To: Elecraft Discussion List
 Subject: [Elecraft] Question about suspending a delta loop...

 I have a 240' delta loop suspended at three points about my QTH.  I've been
 pondering adding another 47' but this is quite a challenge given the
 dimensions of my suburban lot. One thing I'm considering is to make good
 use of two trees located in a common area outside my property lines. Easily
 said, but I would not want to hang a 5 kg line ballast at either of these
 points because I can imagine a couple of neighbourhood youths scaling a
 tree
 with one of them cutting a line causing the 5kg weight to crash down upon
 the tender skull of the other youth.

 Legal matters notwithstanding, my question is whether I'm inviting certain
 mechanical failure if I fix the two endpoints outside my property lines and
 make use of only a single 5 kg ballast on the tree located within my
 property lines. The advantage of doing this is obvious, if any of the
 

Re: [Elecraft] (KX3) OMG My brand new KX3 has a nasty little problem!

2012-09-16 Thread Dick Dievendorff
I had that problem when I was using the wrong sized plug on the DC power.  I
think I was using a 2.5mm coaxial plug instead of the 2.1mm plug that I
should have used. It worked a lot better when I got the right sized DC power
plug.

Dick, K6KR


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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of bruce whitney
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:20 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] (KX3) OMG My brand new KX3 has a nasty little problem!

The DC cable/connection is flaky.. any movement of the cord or twisting of
the connector kills the power and of course when turning it back on again
the radio comes back in default - many KHz away and in a different mode than
the QSO - I wanted to throw it through the window! I will call the boys in
Aptos tomorrow - anybody else have this problem?
Bruce W8RA

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR PLL2

2012-09-16 Thread C L Jonkers
Resolved. Thanks to Bill (off line) for direction pointing. Reloaded FW and 
re-did CAL for the SUB. Works perfectly. 

73, Neil  NJ6L
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[Elecraft] Soldering Stations available

2012-09-16 Thread Gregory Beat
As we approach Autumnal Equinox on September 22nd, thoughts turn to the 
workbench and kit projects for the winter.

AGAIN this year, I have a number of quality soldering/desoldering available 
(NOS, DEMO, Refurbished) for 
Elecraft and amateur radio DIY builders.  Each year I give the Elecraft builder 
community the first opportunity for these items, before being listing on QTH, 
QRZ, or eBay.
Prices are not listed here, BUT the NOS units can not be heavily discounted.

IF you are interested in purchase, please contact me with your interest at:  
w9gb at arrl dot net
Pricing will be furnished in response the purchase queries.

LISTING:
Hakko 936-12 Station (Last unit from a group purchase) - NOS
Weller WSD81 Silver Series Soldering Station - DEMO Unit
Weller WSD81 External Input Unit WCB1 (sets uProcessor operations) - RARE item
Weller WD1002 (WD1 base unit with WSP80 and stand) - DEMO Unit
Pace ST-75 SensaTemp desoldering station with SX-70 desoldering hand piece 
(Complete Refurbishment)
Pace ST-25 soldering station w/PS-90 hand piece -- NOS
==
Weller EC1201A Soldering iron (replacement) for the EC1002 and EC2002 solder 
station.
Weller TCP-1 Soldering iron replacement for WTCP / WTCPL (wired-in irons)
Weller TC201 (P or T versions) Soldering iron (replacement) for Weller WTCPN 
through WTCPT series
Weller SFA1 replacement iron holders for WTCP / WTCPL (NOT TC-204 part 
currently offered)
==
I am NOT a retail operation.  
Queries for WELLER, HAKKO, or PACE TIPS, HEATERS (EC234, TC208), BARREL NUTS 
(BA60)
 should go to ALL-SPEC or other N. American dealers/distributors.
http://www.all-spec.com/products/Soldering_and_Rework/

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Less than $30 -- the Economical Shelf (ready by end of month):
Weller W-TCP stations (circa 1965-1970), black Bakelite side terminals

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Re: [Elecraft] FW: Question about suspending a delta loop...

2012-09-16 Thread Fred Townsend
Rick: 
I too thought bungee cords the idea solution for hanging wire antennas. In
less than three months I had to redo the whole installation. My bungees had
cracks every centimeter or so. Finally one of the cracks parted completely.
I can't tell you the brand but was all black, made in China, and purchased
at Harbor Freight. I'm certain that uv did me in. 
I saw a reference to Resistance shock. Can you explain the term?
They suggest the covered bungees (was that shocking pink or magenta?) help
with the uv problem but I'm thinking probably not with ozone, another known
rubber killer.  Does anyone have experience with this or competitive
products?
73
Fred, AE6QL

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick McClelland, AA5S
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:44 AM
To: gary bartlett
Cc: Elecraft List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Question about suspending a delta loop...

Gary,

Your point about using bungee cords seems like a good idea.  I've found some
nice GEAR Resistance Shock Cord Assemblies on the Internet (
http://www.adrenalindreams.com/gallery14.html) that seem like suitable
candidates.

I must admit that I can't quite picture the manner that you are using the
tie wraps in your installation but it sounds like that arrangement is only
suitable for a vertically oriented delta loop as opposed to my horizontally
oriented loop.

Rick




On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 10:05 AM, gary bartlett
garybartl...@accesswave.cawrote:

 I intended to post this here in case anyone else is playing with delta 
 loops.  It's a lot of wire in the air!

 73,
 Gary VE1RGB

 -Original Message-
 From: gary bartlett [mailto:garybartl...@accesswave.ca]
 Sent: September 16, 2012 1:02 PM
 To: 'Rick McClelland, AA5S'
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Question about suspending a delta loop...

 Rick, I will describe what I have.  Perhaps it will trigger something 
 useful for you.

  I have a full-size 160M delta loop that is made from a single piece 
 of that
 *Silky* jacketed wire which is wonderful around trees.  It is routed 
 over pulleys at the three corners, with the apex at a yardarm about 90 
 feet up a tower.  The loop is roughly 75 feet per side, not a true 
 delta shape. My antenna is fed to the radio using ladderline and 
 operated multi-band through a 9:1 Guanella balun from 160M to 6M.  
 It's buried in the woods.  It's matched by the transmatch in my K3.  I 
 ignore the losses in the ladder line with CW.

 It is ordinarily fed as a loop at one corner although I am 
 experimenting with what happens when one starts opening corners 
 opposite to the feed point and feeding the antenna as some sort of 
 irregular bipolar contraption.
  From
 the station I will soon be able to remotely reverse the feed points as 
 well as open or close relays at will at the corners opposite to the feeds.
  EZNEC
 suggests that I have a tonne of impressive lobes and low angles on 
 some bands.  While the delta loop is off the best heading by virtue of 
 limitations on where I could hang it, I will at least be able to 
 reverse the antenna patterns and see what that does for me.

 Up here we get freezing rain and high winds and ice build-up all at 
 the same time, and is always a threat to wire antennas.  Therefore I 
 hang all my antennas with bungee cords wherever the haul down ropes or 
 other means of securing the antenna are located. To this, at the most 
 accessible point of the antenna suspension system, I add a tie-wrap as 
 the final means of securing the bungee cord (and hence the antenna) at 
 ground level.  I call this a frangible fuse, I termed I robbed from 
 working in aerospace.


 A physics guy can explain it better, but really big forces build up in 
 the antenna if it takes a sudden shock.  Something about overcoming 
 resting inertia made sense to me when I read about it.  Ballast is not 
 a good idea up here.  We need something compliant like the bungee 
 cords everywhere there is an opportunity to fit them.

   If the bungee cord goes to the  limits of its travel, it breaks the 
 tie-wrap, allowing the antenna to gracefully sag to the ground and 
 rest until I pull it up again and replace the tie wrap.  I want my 
 antennas to fall down without damage so I have built a deliberate 
 failure point in the system at minimum walking distance from the station.

 I have paid the price from having antennas destroyed by weather but 
 this method is nearly fool-proof and it has frequently been tested.  No
antennas
 have been destroyed in this story.   It doesn't matter what causes the
 sudden force on either of my wire antennas; if it is bad enough, it 
 results in a graceful fall of the antenna wires to the trees below 
 with its feedline intact and ready for quick return to service.

 73,
 Gary  VE1RGB

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick 
 McClelland, AA5S
 

Re: [Elecraft] K3 and transverters

2012-09-16 Thread Jim Brown
On 9/16/2012 12:20 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 mountains around DC ??? 

As a WV native, with family in the panhandles of MD and WV, I am 
thinking of the mountains to the W and SW of DC.  When I was growing up 
(in the 50s), metro DC was a lot smaller than it is now, consisting 
mostly of close-in suburbs like Fairfax, Arlington, Bethesda, etc.  Now, 
DC bedroom communities extend well into MD, PA, VA and WV, where there 
are, indeed, mountains. Most contesters in that area are members of 
either the Potomac Valley Radio Club or the Frankfort Radio Club, and 
last I heard, many DO head for the mountains for VHF contests.  I 
remember doing so when I was growing up in the Ohio Valley.

73, Jim K9YC
Official Hillbilly :)
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Swains Island 5 watts

2012-09-16 Thread Phil Townsend
The GAP is ground mounted with the 3 ground wires that it comes with...
Not the best...
but it works...for now.
Soon a new vert... 
The Stepper IR vert with 120 radials...
That will make the ethers and the ions jump and shout!

Phil
K5SSR
Santa Fe
KX3 1695
K3 
KX1

If You Don't Know What It Is...
Don't Poke It




On Sep 16, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Sam Morgan k5oai@gmail.com wrote:

was it grd mounted?
what were the radials, if any?


GB  73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan

On 9/16/2012 11:08 AM, Phil Townsend wrote:
 I was using a Gap vertical mono bander on 20 meters... but the contact was on 
 10 meters! The internal ATU works just fine!
 
 On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:05 AM, pkhjr k...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 What antennas were ya'll using?
 
 73 Tex
 ka5y

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Re: [Elecraft] I/O output level

2012-09-16 Thread F5LCI
In fact, I was expecting NaP3 to also decode an useable audio signal from the
I/Q, as do other SDR programs.
But their integration with KX3 CAT commands is still a mystery for me. 

72 de FO/F5LCI





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[Elecraft] KX3 #1690 observations

2012-09-16 Thread Stephen Rector
Hi All:

I received my KX3 s/n 1690 about 10 days ago and have been putting it to work 
on many modes. It's got best receiver I've ever used, although the highest end 
xcvr I've owned previous to it was a TS850 with narrow filters - not quite 
high-end compared to the $5K radios on today's market. But I expected it to be 
good given Elecrafts work on the K3 - and I have been very pleased so far.

I can see two areas where a tweak might be beneficial. With weak signals or 
QRN, I spend a lot of time using a CW passband of 150 or 100 Hz. It would be 
nice if the PBW control switched from 50 Hz steps to 10 or 20 Hz increments 
below 150-200 Hz - these would allow a finer adjust on close-in interferers 
while minimizing the need to go to 50 Hz passband with its higher PB center 
attenuation.

The other area is maybe unique to HF digital mode operators. Since I'm QRP with 
the KX3, I use Olivia because of it's advantage as a weak-signal mode. With the 
KX3, I find that during a 3-5 minute transmission, the PA starts its HI-TEMP 
foldback at anything above the 3.0W setting. For this mode, the modest heatsink 
on the KX3 is insufficient - the plate is not terribly well thermally coupled 
to the devices - nor does it have much thermal mass. I could make something 
ugly with a piece of 3/16 in copper stock that I have using a 4-40 tap for 
threads - but I wonder if Elecraft could offer a heatsink upgrade for data mode 
users. I haven't tried heat sink compound on the FETs, but I still thing the 
heatsink could benefit from more thermal mass. Backpackers may not want the 
extra few ounces - so an option approach might work best.

I wonder how other data users deal with this - a muffin fan would help I 
imagine.

In summary, I am 90% delighted with the KX3. I cant wait for the amplifier to 
be announced - I really need the boots in my deed-restricted neighborhood. Is 
there a general timeframe this is expected to be announced / orders taken? I'd 
rather not get the Tentec 418 because the integration to the KX3 won't be as 
good and there's no internal tuner. Did manage to get NH8S on two bands QRP 
though...

Steve, NU7B

KX3 #1690
K2 #6770  / KPA100 / KAT100 / KSB2 etc.
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Re: [Elecraft] FW: Question about suspending a delta loop...

2012-09-16 Thread Rick McClelland, AA5S
Ahh, so it is more complicated that I previously thought.
Splitting/rotting bungee cords would certainy make them unsuitable for this
application.  The phrase GEAR Resistance Shock Cord Assemblies is
something I hadn't heard of until I started googling around following the
suggestion of using bungee cords.  I presume the fancy title indicates that
they are more expensive than run of the mill bungee cords.  These
particular items are intended for use in the bungee jumping industry; as
in, human beings jumping from great heights and being saved from certain
doom by these items.  If that is truly the case then maybe these have more
durability than the Chinese made Harbor Freight variety.  I guess someone
has to try them out to see if they are suitable for this application, any
bungee jumpers out there willing to give it a go and report back your
results?

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Fred Townsend ftowns...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

 Rick:
 I too thought bungee cords the idea solution for hanging wire antennas. In
 less than three months I had to redo the whole installation. My bungees had
 cracks every centimeter or so. Finally one of the cracks parted completely.
 I can't tell you the brand but was all black, made in China, and purchased
 at Harbor Freight. I'm certain that uv did me in.
 I saw a reference to Resistance shock. Can you explain the term?
 They suggest the covered bungees (was that shocking pink or magenta?) help
 with the uv problem but I'm thinking probably not with ozone, another known
 rubber killer.  Does anyone have experience with this or competitive
 products?
 73
 Fred, AE6QL

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick McClelland,
 AA5S
 Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:44 AM
 To: gary bartlett
 Cc: Elecraft List
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Question about suspending a delta loop...

 Gary,

 Your point about using bungee cords seems like a good idea.  I've found
 some
 nice GEAR Resistance Shock Cord Assemblies on the Internet (
 http://www.adrenalindreams.com/gallery14.html) that seem like suitable
 candidates.

 I must admit that I can't quite picture the manner that you are using the
 tie wraps in your installation but it sounds like that arrangement is only
 suitable for a vertically oriented delta loop as opposed to my horizontally
 oriented loop.

 Rick




 On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 10:05 AM, gary bartlett
 garybartl...@accesswave.cawrote:

  I intended to post this here in case anyone else is playing with delta
  loops.  It's a lot of wire in the air!
 
  73,
  Gary VE1RGB
 
  -Original Message-
  From: gary bartlett [mailto:garybartl...@accesswave.ca]
  Sent: September 16, 2012 1:02 PM
  To: 'Rick McClelland, AA5S'
  Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Question about suspending a delta loop...
 
  Rick, I will describe what I have.  Perhaps it will trigger something
  useful for you.
 
   I have a full-size 160M delta loop that is made from a single piece
  of that
  *Silky* jacketed wire which is wonderful around trees.  It is routed
  over pulleys at the three corners, with the apex at a yardarm about 90
  feet up a tower.  The loop is roughly 75 feet per side, not a true
  delta shape. My antenna is fed to the radio using ladderline and
  operated multi-band through a 9:1 Guanella balun from 160M to 6M.
  It's buried in the woods.  It's matched by the transmatch in my K3.  I
  ignore the losses in the ladder line with CW.
 
  It is ordinarily fed as a loop at one corner although I am
  experimenting with what happens when one starts opening corners
  opposite to the feed point and feeding the antenna as some sort of
  irregular bipolar contraption.
   From
  the station I will soon be able to remotely reverse the feed points as
  well as open or close relays at will at the corners opposite to the
 feeds.
   EZNEC
  suggests that I have a tonne of impressive lobes and low angles on
  some bands.  While the delta loop is off the best heading by virtue of
  limitations on where I could hang it, I will at least be able to
  reverse the antenna patterns and see what that does for me.
 
  Up here we get freezing rain and high winds and ice build-up all at
  the same time, and is always a threat to wire antennas.  Therefore I
  hang all my antennas with bungee cords wherever the haul down ropes or
  other means of securing the antenna are located. To this, at the most
  accessible point of the antenna suspension system, I add a tie-wrap as
  the final means of securing the bungee cord (and hence the antenna) at
  ground level.  I call this a frangible fuse, I termed I robbed from
  working in aerospace.
 
 
  A physics guy can explain it better, but really big forces build up in
  the antenna if it takes a sudden shock.  Something about overcoming
  resting inertia made sense to me when I read about it.  Ballast is not
  a good idea up here.  We need something compliant like the bungee
  cords 

Re: [Elecraft] I/O output level

2012-09-16 Thread Don Wilhelm
NaP3 can indeed send audio to the soundcard output.  That is what the 
SUB, MUTE, RX A and RX B buttons/sliders control.  See the NaP3 
instructions at www.telepostinc.com.
Questions about NaP3 and LP Bridge are usually answered quickly by Larry 
Phipps on the LP-Pan Yahoo Group.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/16/2012 3:13 PM, F5LCI wrote:
 In fact, I was expecting NaP3 to also decode an useable audio signal from the
 I/Q, as do other SDR programs.
 But their integration with KX3 CAT commands is still a mystery for me.

 72 de FO/F5LCI


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[Elecraft] NAQCC Sprint Wednesday night!

2012-09-16 Thread NAQCC
NAQCC Sprint Wednesday night!

Our September sprint is this coming Wednesday evening local time (September 19, 
EDT - 8:30-10:30PM, CDT - 7:30-9:30PM, MDT - 6:30-8:30PM, PDT - 5:30-7:30PM), 
which translates as Thursday September 20, 0030-0230Z in all cases.

I will refer you to the proper URL:

http://naqcc.info/sprint201209.html

There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important 
information.

Certificates: SWA (simple wire antennas) certificates by call area, VE and DX. 
A Certificate for top score in the GAIN antenna category. Finally there is one 
more award - a certificate to the highest score from a first-time participant.

Prizes: A prize of a set of bug/paddle handles or a K1/K2 knob insert donated 
by master woodworker Gregg WB8LZG is awarded for each sprint to the winner of a 
random drawing among all participants. Previous winners are not eligible.

This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, 
straight key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); 
but you must use QRP power levels to compete for awards.

If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE!  Now is your 
chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!!  We currently have 6230+ 
members in: All 50 States - 9 VE Provinces - 90 Countries.  Just sign up on the 
NAQCC website (http://naqcc.info/) and you will receive a handsome certificate, 
with your membership number which is good for life.

Come join us and have a real good time!

72/73 de Dave VA3RJ
NAQCC #0004

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 #1690 observations

2012-09-16 Thread Wayne Burdick
Stephen Rector wrote:

 The other area is maybe unique to HF digital mode operators. Since  
 I'm QRP with the KX3, I use Olivia because of it's advantage as a  
 weak-signal mode. With the KX3, I find that during a 3-5 minute  
 transmission, the PA starts its HI-TEMP foldback at anything above  
 the 3.0W setting

Hi Steve,

This is typical. The KX3's heat sink was designed to handle full power  
only for low to medium duty-cycle modes (CW and SSB) or for shorter  
transmissions. Olivia is probably worst-case, and I'd expect the  
maximum to be 3 W or even less. (At 3 watts, the KX3 automatically  
switches to a higher-impedance PA output, reducing current by about  
50% relative to 3.2 watts.)

We don't have a larger heatsink planned at this time; you're welcome  
to roll your own and/or apply some high-performance thermal compound.  
But there's one other thing you can try: reduce the supply voltage.  
With a supply voltage of say 9 to 10 volts, you should be able to  
operate key-down for much longer periods at 5 watts.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Swains Island 5 watts

2012-09-16 Thread Jeff Herr
74 foot 18ga copperweld between two trees @40' east-west fed with windowline





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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Herr
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 19:03
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Swains Island 5 watts

I did it too last night on kx3 #1692






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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Townsend
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 18:51
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Swains Island 5 watts

Wow my 3rd contact with the KX3 at 5 watts into Swains Island...

Phil
Santa Fe, NM
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Re: [Elecraft] (KX3) OMG My brand new KX3 has a nasty little problem!

2012-09-16 Thread Lou Voerman W2ROW
Bruce,

I had the same symptoms. In my case it was caused by a broken solder
connection where the power jack  attaches to the CP board. I removed the CP
board, heated the connection and added solder to it. The problem is solved.

The power jack is a surface mount device and as such had very little solder
where it is connected to the board. If I were to build another KX3 kit I
would resolder the power jack connections before assembly as a routine
precaution. This appears to be a weak point in the KX3 construction. 

Lou   W2ROW


bruce whitney wrote
 
 The DC cable/connection is flaky.. any movement of the cord or twisting of
 the connector kills the power and of course when turning it back on again
 the radio comes back in default - many KHz away and in a different mode
 than the QSO - I wanted to throw it through the window! I will call the
 boys in Aptos tomorrow - anybody else have this problem?
 Bruce W8RA
 
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Re: [Elecraft] FW: Question about suspending a delta loop...

2012-09-16 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
I don't have a big loop, but I have not had any trouble with using a
counterweight on my inverted L with one end supported at about the 40 foot
level in a 60 tree. I use a compound pulley arrangement that halves the
distance the counterweight must travel. About 30 lbs of counterweight
supports my 100 foot antenna with about 15 lbs tension on the antenna wire.


It has survived winds in the 60 to 100 mph range on dozens of occasions
since I put it up in 2007. On one occasion the winds were strong enough to
cause the counterweight to move about 10 feet, meaning the tree trunk was
moving 20 feet about 2/3 of the way to the top. 

While shock loading resulting from sudden movement is a concern, my
reasoning is that the wind must set many tons of tree in motion to start
moving the counterweight, so the tree is a very robust shock absorber that
prevents very sudden movements. The 5/16 Dacrom ropes I use have also
survived nicely for 5 years without issue. 

As others have noted, the challenge when using a counterweight system is to
keep the antenna from walking the counterweights to one limit. I opted to
avoid hanging both ends of my inverted L in trees for just that reason. 

73, Ron AC7AC

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Re: [Elecraft] I/O output level

2012-09-16 Thread Tony


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2012, at 2:13 PM, F5LCI jmb-f5...@orange.fr wrote:

 In fact, I was expecting NaP3 to also decode an useable audio signal ...
 
 
 --
It does. You just route it to somewhere that you can hear it, e.g. speaker, 
phones, or VAC.

Tony KT0NY
 
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Re: [Elecraft] I/O output level

2012-09-16 Thread jmb-f5...@orange.fr

OK, finally found how to.
But there is still some difference : I can't decode JT65 sigs this way,  
although it works with the standard audio cable : any trick ???
Regards,
FO/F5LCI

Le Sun, 16 Sep 2012 21:09:50 -, Tony estept...@gmail.com a écrit:



 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 16, 2012, at 2:13 PM, F5LCI jmb-f5...@orange.fr wrote:

 In fact, I was expecting NaP3 to also decode an useable audio signal ...


 --
 It does. You just route it to somewhere that you can hear it, e.g.  
 speaker, phones, or VAC.

 Tony KT0NY





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Re: [Elecraft] I/O output level

2012-09-16 Thread F5LCI
Don,
Thanks again for your help.
I finally got the trick in the NaP3 setup :
I had a wrong option in system output till I saw there the help box  
listen through.
No more need of the analog audio cable (and all it carries) ?
- Not exactly for the moment, as the audio throughput is still different  
 from what I can hear with the KX3 loudspeaker.
Maybe I have to dig deeper

72 de FO/F5LCI

Le Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:04:51 -, Don Wilhelm-4 [via Elecraft]  
ml-node+s365791n7562837...@n2.nabble.com a écrit:

 NaP3 can indeed send audio to the soundcard output.  That is what the 
 SUB, MUTE, RX A and RX B buttons/sliders control.  See the NaP3 
 instructions at www.telepostinc.com.Questions about NaP3 and LP Bridge  
 are usually answered quickly by LarryPhipps on the LP-Pan Yahoo Group.
 73,Don W3FPR



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Re: [Elecraft] I/O output level

2012-09-16 Thread Don Wilhelm
There will be some latency - so you have double latency - once through 
the KX3 and again through the panadapter software.  That may or may not 
be troublesome.  If so, the only cure is another soundcard and the cable 
to the headphone jack (and mic jack)

You will likely want to use that 2nd sound card (one for the panadapter 
the other for digital modes), because the KX3 has no provision for 
transmit using the I/Q signals - to transmit, one needs to inject the 
tones into the microphone jack, so just accept that fact and add the 
path from the headphone jack to the soundcard as well.

The listen through is nice because it does provide a 2nd receiver 
function for CW and SSB modes, and the frequency separation can be 
greater than the KX3 dual watch limitations.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/16/2012 5:25 PM, F5LCI wrote:
 Don,
 Thanks again for your help.
 I finally got the trick in the NaP3 setup :
 I had a wrong option in system output till I saw there the help box
 listen through.
 No more need of the analog audio cable (and all it carries) ?
 - Not exactly for the moment, as the audio throughput is still different
   from what I can hear with the KX3 loudspeaker.
 Maybe I have to dig deeper

 72 de FO/F5LCI


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[Elecraft] SLQS - Annual Tailgate Sale - 9/19/12

2012-09-16 Thread david gauding
Howdy,

This week! The St. Louis QRP Society is holding its annual 
Tailgate Sale the evening of Wednesday, September 19, 2012. From
6:00 p.m until everyone goes home.

We will be at our usual location - the south east parking lot of Florissant 
Valley Community College - just south of the new Engineering Building.

Never a charge to sell or browse. Bring gear to sell and money to buy more
or better yet - do both! Plan to talk a lot about QRP and homebrew for
starters or just visit for a spell.

Brats off the grill  sodas for the hungry and thirsty. 

Antennas and radios available for those wishing to get on the air or bring
your own station along. Many of our members are Elecraft drivers so come
and meet a few more. At least two KX3 ops are expected to be on hand.

E-mail dgaud...@sbcglobal.net for driving directions or more info.

Hope you can be with us.


Dave Gauding, NF0R  FOR THE ST. LOUIS QRP SOCIETY

   ** CELEBRATING our 25th Year 

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Re: [Elecraft] Question about suspending a delta loop...

2012-09-16 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Rick,

Thank you for your reply, and my apology for taking so long to acknowledge
it.

I did at first try using bungee cords in GM land as Gary VE1RGB uses them,
and for the reasons which Gary mentioned, but unfortunately the squirrels
(mostly red) living on the farm there liked  to chew bungee cords enough to
render them useless.  Thereafter I used UV resistant marine rope and Kevlar
to support my antennas, neither of which squirrels like to chew it seems,
together with fused counterweights.  For the elements of my 40m wire beams
and for my other antennas I used jacketed Flexweave, the jacketed type to
protect the wire from the claws of the birds who perched on the antennas.

If your antenna's wire can move through the supports which are not on your
property without being damaged, a fused counterweight hanging near ground
or a suitable bungee cord at the support on your property might be
sufficient.  Of course an antenna's support ropes should always pass through
pulleys and not over branches, unless the antenna is a temporary
installation.  Marine pulleys (6mm) as used in small sailing boats have
served me well.

Any rope passing over a branch to support a pulley should be wiggled every
eight or nine months to prevent the tree from growing over the rope, which
would make it difficult/ impossible to move the rope later on.

If you cannot find suitable bungee cord and are interested in knowing more
about the fused counterweights which I used, please let me know.

73,
Geoff
LX2AO


On September 16, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Rick McClelland, AA5S wrote:


 Geoffrey, I did leave out that important point.  My delta loop is oriented
 horizontally, all three support points are at the same height (about 40')
 in
 three different trees.


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[Elecraft] Power supply for incoming KX3

2012-09-16 Thread Mike Weir
I have a small desktop regulated power supply rated at 13.5 volts DC nominal, 
3.0 amps max continuous, 5.0 amps max. Can I use this to run the KX3 while it's 
desktop? The max output will on the KX3 will be 5 watts QRP.
Mike
VE3WDM
  
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Re: [Elecraft] Power supply for incoming KX3

2012-09-16 Thread Robert Galambos

that is exactly what i am doing


and it will give you 12 watts or less if you want




On 12-09-16 9:14 PM, Mike Weir wrote:
 I have a small desktop regulated power supply rated at 13.5 volts DC nominal, 
 3.0 amps max continuous, 5.0 amps max. Can I use this to run the KX3 while 
 it's desktop? The max output will on the KX3 will be 5 watts QRP.
 Mike
 VE3WDM
   
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Re: [Elecraft] kX3 and L ion battery

2012-09-16 Thread Bill Frantz
Sounds like a series diode will drop the voltage to within range.

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

On 9/16/12 at 0:07, phi...@mac.com (Phil Townsend) wrote:

 Ah Yes thats what I needed to know
 Thank You.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 15, 2012, at 11:47 PM, Hjalmar Duklæt dukl...@broadpark.no wrote:
 
 15.0V is max. At 15.1V the KX3 goes dead due to protection.
 
 73 de Hasl
 LA4XX
 
 On 12-09-15, Phil Townsend phi...@mac.com wrote:
  If I install l ion batteries in the KX3 the total volts will be about 15.2 
  plus or minus... So 
 what is the absolute Vmax for the KX3?
  
  Phil
  K5SSR
  Santa Fe
  
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[Elecraft] FW: [KX3] accidently changed menu item?

2012-09-16 Thread Bill K9YEQ
FYI

 

73,

Bill

K9YEQ

 

From: k...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:k...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Maguire
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 8:21 PM
To: k...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [KX3] accidently changed menu item?

 

  

Good advice, Bill :-)

 

On 17/09/2012, at 10:34 AM, Bill K9YEQ k9...@live.com wrote:





Suggestion:  use the utility to save the configuration as it is now before
you start making any more changes.  Once you have found and corrected the
problem, save another copy of the configuration!!  The backup configuration
files are each saved with a unique name and in file explorer you can figure
out which is which just by looking at the time created column.

 73,

Bill

K9YEQ

From: k...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:k...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Conkling
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 6:36 PM
To: k...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [KX3] accidently changed menu item

The menu listing in the manual shows 'default' settings.  Compare and
change.

The last thing you want to do is a eeinit.

...bill. nr4c 
-Original message-

From: Thomas Horsten tho...@horsten.com
To: k...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Sep 16, 2012 23:07:11 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [KX3] accidently changed menu item?

Hi Arnold,

The KX3 has a really nice feature where all settings that can cause subtle
issues if changed inadvertently are locked, so you have to hold the RATE
button for a couple of seconds before it can change (padlock icon shown in
the LCD). So you can go through the menu and see which items are not locked,
and if you are concerned that one might not be on the default setting you
can hold DISP for 2 seconds and it will show a help text for that option,
the first part of the help text is the default setting so you can see if
it's been changed straight away!

73, Thomas M0TRN

On 16 September 2012 23:44, Arnold Harding kq...@comcast.net wrote:

While going through the menu items, my thumb accidently rotated the VFO
knob.  Did I or did I not change a parameter?  There doesn't seem to be any
enter function, and I'm not aware of a time delay...  just change and its
done.

Now I have odd behavior, and I think a full reset is easier than figuring
out what happened.  Am I missing something more obvious about menu entries?

Arnold



 

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Re: [Elecraft] Power supply for incoming KX3

2012-09-16 Thread Matt Maguire
The only concern is, if it is a switch-mode power supply, then it may generate 
some RF hash. Other than that, it should be fine.

73, Matt VK2ACL.

On 17/09/2012, at 11:21 AM, Robert Galambos va3...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 that is exactly what i am doing
 
 
 and it will give you 12 watts or less if you want
 
 
 
 
 On 12-09-16 9:14 PM, Mike Weir wrote:
 I have a small desktop regulated power supply rated at 13.5 volts DC 
 nominal, 3.0 amps max continuous, 5.0 amps max. Can I use this to run the 
 KX3 while it's desktop? The max output will on the KX3 will be 5 watts QRP.
 Mike
 VE3WDM
  
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Re: [Elecraft] I/O output level

2012-09-16 Thread F5LCI
Thanks Don,
After trying to compare these two audio signals, I have arrived at this
conclusion, valid for /my setup/ (e.g. noise from the laptop screen (look at
my page on QRZCQ):
IMHO the I/Q derived audio by the PC can be of some utility, but the KX3
does it better.
SDR receivers (I own a PMSDR) are pleasant, but the IF to audio stages are
another story : KX3 rules...

72 de FO/F5LCI


Don Wilhelm-4 wrote
 
 There will be some latency - so you have double latency - once through 
 the KX3 and again through the panadapter software.  That may or may not 
 be troublesome.  If so, the only cure is another soundcard and the cable 
 to the headphone jack (and mic jack)
 
 You will likely want to use that 2nd sound card (one for the panadapter 
 the other for digital modes), because the KX3 has no provision for 
 transmit using the I/Q signals - to transmit, one needs to inject the 
 tones into the microphone jack, so just accept that fact and add the 
 path from the headphone jack to the soundcard as well.
 
 The listen through is nice because it does provide a 2nd receiver 
 function for CW and SSB modes, and the frequency separation can be 
 greater than the KX3 dual watch limitations.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 




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Re: [Elecraft] Power supply for incoming KX3

2012-09-16 Thread Don Wilhelm
Mike,

Usually, I recommend a 6 amp power source for a transceiver that is 
rated for the range of 10 to 20 watts, your power supply will do fine at 
the 5 watt level.  It even may do 10 watts with no problem, but I try to 
rate things conservatively.  My politics may be liberal, but the 
electrons get a conservative consideration.  Hey, it's an election year 
and I have not yet made up my mind :-)

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/16/2012 9:14 PM, Mike Weir wrote:
 I have a small desktop regulated power supply rated at 13.5 volts DC nominal, 
 3.0 amps max continuous, 5.0 amps max. Can I use this to run the KX3 while 
 it's desktop? The max output will on the KX3 will be 5 watts QRP.
 Mike
 VE3WDM


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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

2012-09-16 Thread Alan Bloom
Yes, the cable impedance does not matter but the connectors do.  The
75-ohm cable probably has 75-ohm BNC plugs, which as I recall have a
smaller pin.  They might not make reliable connections with the 50-ohm
sockets on the K3 and P3.

Go ahead and try it, but if the connections seem flakey you should get a
real 50-ohm cable.

Alan N1AL


On Sat, 2012-09-15 at 17:21 -0700, Jim Brown wrote:
 On 9/15/2012 5:01 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
  Just try one of the non-50-ohm cables and see if it works
 
 Cable impedance absolutely does not matter for such a short run at the 
 IF frequency.
 
 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [P3] IF Out / IF In Cable

2012-09-16 Thread Jim Brown
On 9/16/2012 8:11 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
 Yes, the cable impedance does not matter but the connectors do.  The
 75-ohm cable probably has 75-ohm BNC plugs, which as I recall have a
 smaller pin.  They might not make reliable connections with the 50-ohm
 sockets on the K3 and P3.

 Go ahead and try it, but if the connections seem flakey you should get a
 real 50-ohm cable.

 Alan N1AL

Possibly, but unlikely. I've got a bunch of 75 ohm cables with BNCs on 
both ends that came from a broadcast studio when they rewired it (either 
ABC Chicago or PBS Chicago, if I recall correctly)) and they all mate 
just fine with my 50 ohm females.  Indeed, the only BNC cable I've ever 
seen that didn't work was one that came with my first P3. :)  Didn't 
bother to figure out why, just traded it for a new one.

73, Jim K9YC
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