[PSES] Hypervisor as a part of India TEC MTCTE Phase-V Scope Expansion

[Monrad Monsen]

Hi!
India Telecommunications Engineering Centre recently announced a Phase 5 scope 
expansion with a deadline 1 July 2024.  See the details below.
https://www.mtcte.tec.gov.in/filedownload?name=downloadDocument_20230623115821.pdf

This list includes Hypervisor which is "a purely software product" according to 
its essential requirement (ER) 
TEC30032201<https://www.mtcte.tec.gov.in/filedownload?name=TEC30032201.pdf>.

How is hypervisor (software) to be regulated and handled?  Obviously, software 
can't be labeled like hardware can. Often software is merely downloaded over 
the Internet.

I suspect that hypervisor (Phase 5) is like the earlier regulated "equipment 
operating in 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz" (Phase 3). The fact that a product operates in 
2.4 GHz or 5 GHz doesn't trigger a TEC certification requirement. Instead, if a 
product is otherwise in scope for TEC certification and then also happens to 
operate at 2.4 GHz or 5 GHz, then the ER for "equipment operating in 2.4 GHz 
and 5 GHz" is added to the testing regime.  For example, many laptops have WiFi 
that operates at both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz, but a laptop does not have to have a 
TEC certification.  Is hypervisor software handled the same way? The software 
by itself or even a computer with hypervisor loaded does not trigger a TEC 
certification requirement. Instead, if the product is in a different product 
category that requires TEC certification but it also has hypervisor software 
loaded, then in the process of testing the other ER applicable to the hardware 
the product must also be tested for the hypervisor software functionality.  To 
give a more specific example, a server is not in-scope for an India MTCTE 
certification, so a server having hypervisor software loaded would still not be 
in-scope for India MTCTE certification. Correct?

Thanks.

Monrad Monsen


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[PSES] Radio modular approval: WPC India

[Richard Georgerian]

Greetings all,

 

Are there any radio modular approval construction details for India's WPC
modular approval? This would be similar to the FCC KDB notice on modular
approval whereby the construction details are outlined. I cannot fine
anything at the WPC website. My specific question is, is a metal shield
required over the radio circuitry?

 

Thank-you,

 

.Richard Georgerian

Compliance Engineer

HID Global

 


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Re: [PSES] Power quality issues in India

[Douglas Powell]

Dan,

You mention load shedding.

I have past experience with high voltage surges on the downstream side of
disconnects or circuit protection devices when there are heavy motor loads
parallel to the equipment. Depending on the mass and speed of rotating
equipment which is coasting down to a stop, the reverse EMF is capable of
producing very high voltages until the rotating mass comes to a full stop.
The solution is usually to separate the two devices. In a similar way as
done with  coordination of overcurrent protective devices.

Best of luck, Doug



On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 7:12 PM Dan Roman <
0d75e04ed751-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> Thank you for the responses both on and off list, it has been helpful.
> Doug, I have seen that report but it does not seem to indicate that longer
> duration overvoltages in excess of 300V are commonplace.  I have
> anecdotally heard that power supplies, even if they have past CISPR
> immunity and IEC 61000 power fault testing, can be damaged by longer
> duration voltage surges that are supposedly common in India during load
> shedding.  Our power supplies do not suffer unusual failure rates anywhere
> in the world and have been through immunity testing without any issues, but
> I have been asked to get them ready for India with the warning that we may
> have problems.  Trying to get some hard facts before I ask for a custom SKU
> only for India.  Right now while the power quality in India may be poor,
> the products are not critical and a power interruption would not be a big
> deal, so it does not seem warranted.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Douglas Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:59 AM
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Power quality issues in India
>
>
>
> Dan,
>
>
>
> Possibly this article will be helpful,
> http://www.forumofregulators.gov.in/Data/Reports/Power07.pdf, check into
> issues like surge, sag, swell and spikes.
>
>
>
> It's only a couple of years old.
>
>
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> ---
>
> *I'm here to help you succeed! Feel free to contact me with any questions
> related to product safety, certifications, risk assessment, or EMI ... at
> no obligation. I'm always happy to help!*
>
> Douglas E Powell
>
> *Vertex Compliance Consulting*
> Laporte, Colorado USA
> doug...@gmail.com
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:41 AM sudhakar wasnik <
> 008dfaa51ca2-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote:
>
> Dan, Yes, Indian power supply system is quite notorious for surges,
> voltage fluctuations etc. Most of Telecom or other industries beef up Power
> supply system as well as use UPS,
>
> HTH,
>
> Sudhakar wasnik
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Mar 24, 2020, at 10:17 AM, Wiseman, Joshua <
> joshua.wise...@orthoclinicaldiagnostics.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Dan, in a past life I worked for a company that makes commercial ice cream
> makers like you would see in your local Dairy Queen, McDonalds, Burger
> King, etc.  For India we had to include a UPS for some of our models
> because the power there would give us problems with the controls.  I don’t
> know the details but I do recall adding a UPS option to a newer model unit
> as recently as 3 yrs ago because of it.
>
>
>
> The UPS took care of the problem for the manufacturer when I worked there.
>
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dan Roman <0d75e04ed751-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:35 PM
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* [PSES] Power quality issues in India
>
>
>
> *EXTERNAL SENDER: Verify links, attachments and sender before taking
> action*
>
>
>
> Hello List!  Hope everyone is staying healthy and safe.
>
>
>
> I would like to know if anyone has experience with power quality issues in
> India related to damaging equipment and whether you find it is necessary to
> harden power supply designs specifically for India that you would not
> normally consider for other regions like the EU.  From some reading on the
> topic there seem to be power quality issues but these are largely power
> interruptions and voltage sags that would temporarily cause the product to
> stop functioning but not result in the permanent damage of a global design.
>
>
>
> I have no recent experience with India but over a decade ago I do not
> recall having any issues with equipment i

Re: [PSES] Power quality issues in India

[Dan Roman]

Hi Everyone,

 

Thank you for the responses both on and off list, it has been helpful.  Doug, I 
have seen that report but it does not seem to indicate that longer duration 
overvoltages in excess of 300V are commonplace.  I have anecdotally heard that 
power supplies, even if they have past CISPR immunity and IEC 61000 power fault 
testing, can be damaged by longer duration voltage surges that are supposedly 
common in India during load shedding.  Our power supplies do not suffer unusual 
failure rates anywhere in the world and have been through immunity testing 
without any issues, but I have been asked to get them ready for India with the 
warning that we may have problems.  Trying to get some hard facts before I ask 
for a custom SKU only for India.  Right now while the power quality in India 
may be poor, the products are not critical and a power interruption would not 
be a big deal, so it does not seem warranted.

 

Regards,

 

Dan

 

 

From: Douglas Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:59 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Power quality issues in India

 

Dan,

 

Possibly this article will be helpful, 
http://www.forumofregulators.gov.in/Data/Reports/Power07.pdf, check into issues 
like surge, sag, swell and spikes.  

 

It's only a couple of years old. 

 

Doug

 

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Douglas E Powell

Vertex Compliance Consulting
Laporte, Colorado USA
doug...@gmail.com <mailto:doug...@gmail.com> 

http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:41 AM sudhakar wasnik 
<008dfaa51ca2-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org 
<mailto:008dfaa51ca2-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> > wrote:

Dan, Yes, Indian power supply system is quite notorious for surges, voltage 
fluctuations etc. Most of Telecom or other industries beef up Power supply 
system as well as use UPS,

HTH,

Sudhakar wasnik

Sent from my iPhone





On Mar 24, 2020, at 10:17 AM, Wiseman, Joshua 
mailto:joshua.wise...@orthoclinicaldiagnostics.com> > wrote:

 

Dan, in a past life I worked for a company that makes commercial ice cream 
makers like you would see in your local Dairy Queen, McDonalds, Burger King, 
etc.  For India we had to include a UPS for some of our models because the 
power there would give us problems with the controls.  I don’t know the details 
but I do recall adding a UPS option to a newer model unit as recently as 3 yrs 
ago because of it.

 

The UPS took care of the problem for the manufacturer when I worked there.

 

Josh

 

 

From: Dan Roman <0d75e04ed751-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org 
<mailto:0d75e04ed751-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> > 
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:35 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: [PSES] Power quality issues in India

 

EXTERNAL SENDER: Verify links, attachments and sender before taking action

 

Hello List!  Hope everyone is staying healthy and safe.

 

I would like to know if anyone has experience with power quality issues in 
India related to damaging equipment and whether you find it is necessary to 
harden power supply designs specifically for India that you would not normally 
consider for other regions like the EU.  From some reading on the topic there 
seem to be power quality issues but these are largely power interruptions and 
voltage sags that would temporarily cause the product to stop functioning but 
not result in the permanent damage of a global design.

 

I have no recent experience with India but over a decade ago I do not recall 
having any issues with equipment in data centers, but perhaps they had facility 
power conditioning so the local building infrastructure prevented issues.  Is 
the failure rate with typical consumer products higher in India because of 
power quality issues?  Are extra precautions necessary?

 

Thank you.

 

__
Dan Roman, N.C.E.

Senior Member

IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society

mailto:dan.ro...@ieee.org



 

 

 

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Re: [PSES] Power quality issues in India

[Douglas Powell]

Dan,

Possibly this article will be helpful,
http://www.forumofregulators.gov.in/Data/Reports/Power07.pdf, check into
issues like surge, sag, swell and spikes.

It's only a couple of years old.

Doug

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related to product safety, certifications, risk assessment, or EMI ... at
no obligation. I'm always happy to help!*

Douglas E Powell
*Vertex Compliance Consulting*
Laporte, Colorado USA
doug...@gmail.com 
http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01




On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:41 AM sudhakar wasnik <
008dfaa51ca2-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote:

> Dan, Yes, Indian power supply system is quite notorious for surges,
> voltage fluctuations etc. Most of Telecom or other industries beef up Power
> supply system as well as use UPS,
> HTH,
> Sudhakar wasnik
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 24, 2020, at 10:17 AM, Wiseman, Joshua <
> joshua.wise...@orthoclinicaldiagnostics.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Dan, in a past life I worked for a company that makes commercial ice cream
> makers like you would see in your local Dairy Queen, McDonalds, Burger
> King, etc.  For India we had to include a UPS for some of our models
> because the power there would give us problems with the controls.  I don’t
> know the details but I do recall adding a UPS option to a newer model unit
> as recently as 3 yrs ago because of it.
>
>
>
> The UPS took care of the problem for the manufacturer when I worked there.
>
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dan Roman <0d75e04ed751-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:35 PM
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* [PSES] Power quality issues in India
>
>
>
> *EXTERNAL SENDER: Verify links, attachments and sender before taking
> action*
>
>
>
> Hello List!  Hope everyone is staying healthy and safe.
>
>
>
> I would like to know if anyone has experience with power quality issues in
> India related to damaging equipment and whether you find it is necessary to
> harden power supply designs specifically for India that you would not
> normally consider for other regions like the EU.  From some reading on the
> topic there seem to be power quality issues but these are largely power
> interruptions and voltage sags that would temporarily cause the product to
> stop functioning but not result in the permanent damage of a global design.
>
>
>
> I have no recent experience with India but over a decade ago I do not
> recall having any issues with equipment in data centers, but perhaps they
> had facility power conditioning so the local building infrastructure
> prevented issues.  Is the failure rate with typical consumer products
> higher in India because of power quality issues?  Are extra precautions
> necessary?
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> __
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>
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>
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Re: [PSES] Power quality issues in India

[sudhakar wasnik]

Dan, Yes, Indian power supply system is quite notorious for surges, voltage 
fluctuations etc. Most of Telecom or other industries beef up Power supply 
system as well as use UPS,
HTH,
Sudhakar wasnik

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 24, 2020, at 10:17 AM, Wiseman, Joshua 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Dan, in a past life I worked for a company that makes commercial ice cream 
> makers like you would see in your local Dairy Queen, McDonalds, Burger King, 
> etc.  For India we had to include a UPS for some of our models because the 
> power there would give us problems with the controls.  I don’t know the 
> details but I do recall adding a UPS option to a newer model unit as recently 
> as 3 yrs ago because of it.
>  
> The UPS took care of the problem for the manufacturer when I worked there.
>  
> Josh
>  
>  
> From: Dan Roman <0d75e04ed751-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:35 PM
> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: [PSES] Power quality issues in India
>  
> EXTERNAL SENDER: Verify links, attachments and sender before taking action
>  
> 
> Hello List!  Hope everyone is staying healthy and safe.
>  
> I would like to know if anyone has experience with power quality issues in 
> India related to damaging equipment and whether you find it is necessary to 
> harden power supply designs specifically for India that you would not 
> normally consider for other regions like the EU.  From some reading on the 
> topic there seem to be power quality issues but these are largely power 
> interruptions and voltage sags that would temporarily cause the product to 
> stop functioning but not result in the permanent damage of a global design.
>  
> I have no recent experience with India but over a decade ago I do not recall 
> having any issues with equipment in data centers, but perhaps they had 
> facility power conditioning so the local building infrastructure prevented 
> issues.  Is the failure rate with typical consumer products higher in India 
> because of power quality issues?  Are extra precautions necessary?
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> __
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Re: [PSES] Power quality issues in India

[Wiseman, Joshua]

Dan, in a past life I worked for a company that makes commercial ice cream 
makers like you would see in your local Dairy Queen, McDonalds, Burger King, 
etc.  For India we had to include a UPS for some of our models because the 
power there would give us problems with the controls.  I don't know the details 
but I do recall adding a UPS option to a newer model unit as recently as 3 yrs 
ago because of it.

The UPS took care of the problem for the manufacturer when I worked there.

Josh


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Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:35 PM
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Subject: [PSES] Power quality issues in India

EXTERNAL SENDER: Verify links, attachments and sender before taking action


Hello List!  Hope everyone is staying healthy and safe.

I would like to know if anyone has experience with power quality issues in 
India related to damaging equipment and whether you find it is necessary to 
harden power supply designs specifically for India that you would not normally 
consider for other regions like the EU.  From some reading on the topic there 
seem to be power quality issues but these are largely power interruptions and 
voltage sags that would temporarily cause the product to stop functioning but 
not result in the permanent damage of a global design.

I have no recent experience with India but over a decade ago I do not recall 
having any issues with equipment in data centers, but perhaps they had facility 
power conditioning so the local building infrastructure prevented issues.  Is 
the failure rate with typical consumer products higher in India because of 
power quality issues?  Are extra precautions necessary?

Thank you.

__
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Senior Member
IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society
mailto:dan.ro...@ieee.org





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[PSES] Power quality issues in India

[Dan Roman]

Hello List!  Hope everyone is staying healthy and safe.

 

I would like to know if anyone has experience with power quality issues in
India related to damaging equipment and whether you find it is necessary to
harden power supply designs specifically for India that you would not
normally consider for other regions like the EU.  From some reading on the
topic there seem to be power quality issues but these are largely power
interruptions and voltage sags that would temporarily cause the product to
stop functioning but not result in the permanent damage of a global design.

 

I have no recent experience with India but over a decade ago I do not recall
having any issues with equipment in data centers, but perhaps they had
facility power conditioning so the local building infrastructure prevented
issues.  Is the failure rate with typical consumer products higher in India
because of power quality issues?  Are extra precautions necessary?

 

Thank you.

 

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[PSES] Lighting products for India

[John Woodgate]

I have a question posed by a colleague. Any help will be greatly appreciated. No
problem with US-based experts.
 
We manufacture professional lighting products for stage and television use
(mostly, and also some for other uses).  It is my interpretation that our
products are not described in the BIS lists of affected products, but it might
be a vague area open to other interpretations.
 
I wish to obtain specific advice on these topics, among others:
*   If we appoint a representative for compliance in India do they acquire
the rights of a Brand Agent?  If yes then what is the range of possible
consequences?
*   All our products have been tested in fully accredited laboratories in
the UK and USA and we have full reports, in most cases fully up to date.
However, none were produced in a BIS recognised facility and none within the
last 90 days, which both appear to be conditions for obtaining a BIS compliance.
Is that right and if so what is the most practical solution?
*   There are three BIS categories that might be said to apply to us,
although it is my opinion they do not: 
o   24: SELF-BALLASTED LED LAMPS FOR GENERAL LIGHTING SERVICES
o   25: DC OR AC SUPPLIED ELECTRONIC CONTROLGEAR FOR LED MODULES
o   28: FIXED GENERAL PURPOSE LED LUMINAIRES
How can I ascertain with certainty what the scope of these categories is? 
*   We seek advice on the most cost-effective way to prove compliance in
India.
 
 
With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only
www.jmwa.demon.co.uk <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/>  J M Woodgate and Associates
Rayleigh England
 
Sylvae in aeternum manent.
 

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Re: [PSES] Wireless approval in India

[Rajneesh Raveendran]

Hi Amund,

You might be able to get help from the below listed folks... I am not sure
if they are on this forum...

   - Mr. Santhosh of Trio Technologies (*santh...@trio-techno.com
   <santh...@trio-techno.com>*)
   - Mr. Perveez Younus of UL India (*perveez.you...@ul.com
   <perveez.you...@ul.com>*)



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[PSES] Wireless approval in India

[Amund Westin]

Please correct me, if I’m wrong:

* Approval via WPC (Wireless Planning & Coordination) - Ministry of 
Communications and Information Technology

* No mandatory in-country testing

* FCC / CE reports are accepted from (world-wide) accredited labs

* Local representative in New Dehli

Any folks on the forum with experience within this area, that can conform the 
statements above?

If any of you have been through this process previously and would share your 
experience and some good advices, I’d be happy to hear from you.

 

PS: In our case, we talk about a wireless device operating in ISM-band.

 

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Amund

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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[PSES] Lead/Staff EMC Design engineer position in Bangalore, India

[Oscar Fallah]

Hello,

We have an immediate opening for a Lead/Staff EMC Design engineer.  I am
the hiring manager, and position is in Bangalore, India.

Below please find the description and requirements for this position.

Thanks,
Oscar Fallah

Sr. Manager, EMC Design Engineering
Juniper Networks Inc.



**Lead/EMC Staff Design Engineer**
As an EMC Staff Design Engineer at Juniper Networks, you will be working as
part of a multi-disciplinary team involved in product design and
development from concept through final release.  ensuring that EMC
compliance is designed-in to the product.  You will work with development
engineering teams on EMC issues at the PCB and system level. The ability to
work well with project teams in a highly-matrix organization to achieve
results that meet all product requirements is a required asset.

The position requires:

· Solid understanding of EM phenomenon physics

· System design and EMC testing experience with high speed (
multi-gigahertz) networking systems.  (Mechanical  Design background).

· Experience with EMC modeling and prediction tools.

· Experience in design of power supply modules and systems for
power integrity and EMC.

· Good understanding of mechanical constraints, and ability to
evaluate a chassis concept design for EMC Analysis.

· Participation in project teams to design EMC into the products
from concept stage, to production, and during sustenance.

·  Current on international EMC standards including GR1089-CORE
with emphasis on section-4 that are applicable to networking equipment.

· Experience in EMC design and compliance aspects of wireless
technologies including WLAN 802.11+ and 3G are a plus.

*Education:* BS or post graduate work in electrical engineering or physics
with 8+ years of direct experience

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Re: [PSES] India ITE approvals

[Tyra, John]

Can't comment on ITE equipment since we make Audio Video products but I have 
found this process to be very chaotic and time consuming for our products

There was a considerable amount of documentation required especially for the 
manufacturing facilities.

There are only a handful of  accredited labs in India and they are still trying 
to figure out what they need to do.

CB reports are not officially recognized but are helpful.

It took us close to 5 months to get our first report with a lot of back and 
forth with the test house and BIS and that was with local representation.

Just a suggestion based on our experience.

1. Study the regulations and don't just rely on the Indian test lab you pick as 
they are still trying to figure things out.

2. Don't be afraid to push back with the lab as they are not experts yet and 
rely on BIS for  direction.

3. Don't over think the forms you are required to complete. There is 
considerable documentation to be completed which  takes a lot of time.

4. Don't wait until the last minute as the lead time is very long.

Good luck.

Sent from my ASUS Pad

Gelfand, David david.gelf...@ca.kontron.com wrote:


As of July 3 there is are new mandatory approvals requiring in-country
safety testing.   Has there been any extension of this date?

Could anyone share their experience getting India approvals under this
new scheme?

Thanks,

David

David Gelfand
Compliance Specialist
Kontron Canada Inc



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[PSES] India ITE approvals

[Gelfand, David]

As of July 3 there is are new mandatory approvals requiring in-country
safety testing.   Has there been any extension of this date?

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David

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Re: [PSES] India ITE approvals

[Knighten, Jim L]

David,

No, there is not extension.  There is a 90 day extension available for 
companies who have their products submitted for testing prior to the deadline, 
but who have not yet received a test report.  You must apply for this extension.

Jim

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As of July 3 there is are new mandatory approvals requiring in-country
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David

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Re: [PSES] India ITE approvals

[Knudsen, Patricia]

The latest information for India registration and extension can be found at the 
following sites:

Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS): http://www.bis.org.in/other/ITCompReg.htm

Department of Electronics and Information Technology (DeitY), scroll down the 
page to the Standards section: http://deity.gov.in/content/electronic-hardware


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858-485-3748


-Original Message-
From: Knighten, Jim L 
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 9:25 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] India ITE approvals

David,

No, there is not extension.  There is a 90 day extension available for 
companies who have their products submitted for testing prior to the deadline, 
but who have not yet received a test report.  You must apply for this extension.

Jim

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Teradata Corporation
17095 Via Del Campo
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858-485-2537 - phone
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-Original Message-
From: Gelfand, David [mailto:david.gelf...@ca.kontron.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 7:20 AM
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Subject: [PSES] India ITE approvals

As of July 3 there is are new mandatory approvals requiring in-country
safety testing.   Has there been any extension of this date?

Could anyone share their experience getting India approvals under this new 
scheme?

Thanks,

David

David Gelfand
Compliance Specialist
Kontron Canada Inc

 

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Re: [PSES] India BIS/DEITY mandatory registration scheme for ITE/AV products

[sudhakar wasnik]

Hi Guys, 

By this time you may be well aware of DEITY/BIS mandatory registration scheme 
has been extended till July 3, 2013 and till Oct 3, with certain conditions.

This extended period should help manufacturer to better organize and plan for 
certification /registration.

During this time BIS is planning to discuss the report variations issues with 
the approved labs and try to close the all variability.

This is also good time to revisit the fundamental definitions like series 
classification which has a direct bearing on the # of samples to be tested and 
certfied.

There are also some critical aspects in registration application like factory 
layout , applicant , contact info etc. which will require due attention, So 
that BIS does not reject it and cause delay in accepting the application

As I mentioned previously in this e-mail , I am expert in all aspects of the 
scheme and have first hand knowledge and contact with DEITY/BIS

Please feel free to contact me offline.

 Thank you , 

Sudhakar Wasnik, MS EE, IES

Tel. 925-734-6708.




 From: sudhakar wasnik saloni95...@yahoo.com
To: EMC-PSTC Listserver emc-pstc@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:54 AM
Subject: India BIS/DEITY mandatory  registration scheme for ITE/AV products
 

Hello Members, 

Indian has launched mandatory in country testing @ BIS approved laboratories 
and registration scheme for ITE and AV products ( Scope is limited to certain 
products) w.e.f April 3, 2013.

I am expert in this scheme  and if any body needs any kind of assistance in 
this scheme, Please contact me offline.


Regards, 

Sudhakar Wasnik MS EE, IES

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Re: [PSES] India BIS/DEITY mandatory registration scheme for ITE/AV products

[Peter Merguerian]

Sudhakar

As an expert, can you confirm if data center switches or routers are exempt 
from the regulations. Some experts say yes regulated, others say not regulated. 
What is your opinion?

Peter

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On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:54 AM, sudhakar wasnik saloni95...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hello Members, 
 
 Indian has launched mandatory in country testing @ BIS approved laboratories 
 and registration scheme for ITE and AV products ( Scope is limited to certain 
 products) w.e.f April 3, 2013.
 
 I am expert in this scheme  and if any body needs any kind of assistance in 
 this scheme, Please contact me offline.
 
 
 Regards, 
 
 Sudhakar Wasnik MS EE, IES
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[PSES] India BIS/DEITY mandatory registration scheme for ITE/AV products

[sudhakar wasnik]

Hello Members, 

Indian has launched mandatory in country testing @ BIS approved laboratories 
and registration scheme for ITE and AV products ( Scope is limited to certain 
products) w.e.f April 3, 2013.

I am expert in this scheme  and if any body needs any kind of assistance in 
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Re: [PSES] India BIS/DEITY mandatory registration scheme for ITE/AV products

[Brian Oconnell]

UL has scheduled a short webinar on this:
https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/1520003706154947328

And the UL assesment engineer that reviews my next report had better be nice
or will not give you any more free adverts

Brian

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Hello Members,

Indian has launched mandatory in country testing @ BIS approved laboratories
and registration scheme for ITE and AV products ( Scope is limited to
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I am expert in this scheme  and if any body needs any kind of assistance in
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[PSES] India power cord marking

[Harrington, John]

Can anyone confirm if India has a mandatory mark on their power cords and if so 
what the mark is and what the scheme entails?

Many thanks

John Harrington
Compliance Engineer
Keithley Instruments, Inc.
28775 Aurora Road, Cleveland Ohio, 44139
Tel: 440-498-2727
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[PSES] Electrical Code in India and Thailand?

[Doug Nix]

Colleagues,

I am looking for information on the electrical codes in force in India and 
Thailand. If anyone can point me to the sources for these codes, or can provide 
consulting services in these jurisdictions, please contact me off-list at 
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Re: [PSES] Electrical Code in India and Thailand?

[Ted Eckert]

Hi Doug,

The Bureau of Indian Standards covers the electrical requirements for India.  
See Part 8, Section 2.
http://www.bis.org.in/sf/nbc.htm
I believe it has some similarity to older IEE Wiring Regulations from the UK. 
As such, there is some similarity to BS 7671. However, I can't say how much 
they have diverged since BS 7671 has incorporated more of IEC 60364.

I can't comment on Thailand electrical codes.

Regards,
Ted Eckert
Compliance Engineer
Microsoft Corporation
ted.eck...@microsoft.commailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.

From: Doug Nix [mailto:d...@mac.com]mailto:[mailto:d...@mac.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 1:59 PM
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Subject: Electrical Code in India and Thailand?

Colleagues,

I am looking for information on the electrical codes in force in India and 
Thailand. If anyone can point me to the sources for these codes, or can provide 
consulting services in these jurisdictions, please contact me off-list at 
d...@complianceinsight.camailto:d...@complianceinsight.ca, +1 (519) 729-5704.

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RE: TRAI modem approval in India?

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On 12/1/2010, Ron Pickard wrote:



Please note that up until today, I was forbidden access to the TEC 
website
(??). And, the product type would be a POS terminal with an integrated V.90
modem. According to the TEC website, Interface Requirement (IR) No.
I/POS-01/04.Jan 2005 would apply. However, it would appear that only
in-country entities are eligible for Interface Approval applications and the
Interface Approval is mandatory. Is that your understanding? 



Hi Ron:

Based on your description, the standard you selected appears to be a good
match.  Note that within that standard, other standards will probably be
called out as well.  I don't have a copy so I can't comment on that, but it
sounds like Peter can get you a copy.  There will likely be EMC requirements
and possibly a phone line interface requirement called out within
IR/POS-01/04.Jan 2005

My understanding is that you must get either at least an IR approval to sell
the product in India.  The more stringent GR approvals are typically called
out for equipment used in the government-owned network.

I'm not aware of a residency requirement for getting an IR approval, but it
wouldn't surprise me.  If there is such a requirement, it can probably be
handled with a local agent, similar to the way things operate in Australia.




Joe Randolph
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RE: TRAI modem approval in India?

[emc-p...@ieee.org]

Hi Joe and Peter,

 

Please note that up until today, I was forbidden access to the TEC website
(??). And, the product type would be a POS terminal with an integrated V.90
modem. According to the TEC website, Interface Requirement (IR) No.
I/POS-01/04.Jan 2005 would apply. However, it would appear that only
in-country entities are eligible for Interface Approval applications and the
Interface Approval is mandatory. Is that your understanding?

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron



From: Joe Randolph [mailto:j...@randolph-telecom.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 6:43 PM
To: Ron Pickard; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: TRAI modem approval in India?

 

On 11/30/2010, Ron Pickard wrote:




Is it mandatory or voluntary to obtain an analog PSTN modem approval in India?
TRAI is the Telecommunications Regulatory Authority in India. I have searched
all over including the TRAI website, but have not been able to find an answer
to this question. Im hoping someone in this group will have the answer.




Hi Ron:

Telecom equipment approvals for India are very complicated from an
administrative perspective, although the actual technical requirements are
*usually* not hard to meet.  The administrative complexity stems from two main
issues:

1) Requirements are typically product-specific (as opposed to
interface-specific in most countries), so the requirements that apply depend
on the exact nature of the product.  For example, the standard for a fax modem
card is different from the standard for a fax machine and also different from
the standard for a V.90 modem.

2) Approvals are granted at two levels.  The first level is for sale to the
general public, while the second, more stringent level, is for sale to the
Government.


So, the requirements that apply to a specific product will depend on what the
product is and who it is being sold to.

In general, telecom equipment approvals are specified by TEC
(Telecommunication Engineering Center, http://www.tec.gov.in/grn.php).  The
referenced web page lists several different TEC standards, including some that
are modem-specific.

I haven't had to deal with approvals in India for a few years now
(thankfully), but if you need help with sorting this out I can try to help.  I
would need more details on the product, though.





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Re: TRAI modem approval in India?

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It is mandatory TEC controlled. I do have the specs if anyone is interested

Peter Merguerian
Go Global  Compliance Inc


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Hello to all,

 

Is it mandatory or voluntary to obtain an analog PSTN modem approval in 
India? TRAI is the Telecommunications Regulatory Authority in India. I have 
searched all over including the TRAI website, but have not been able to find an 
answer to this question. I’m hoping someone in this group will have the answer.

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron

 

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Re: TRAI modem approval in India?

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Is it mandatory or voluntary to obtain an analog PSTN modem approval in
India? TRAI is the Telecommunications Regulatory Authority in India. I have
searched all over including the TRAI website, but have not been able to find
an answer to this question. I’m hoping someone in this group will have the
answer.




Hi Ron:

Telecom equipment approvals for India are very complicated from an
administrative perspective, although the actual technical requirements are
*usually* not hard to meet.  The administrative complexity stems from two main
issues:

1) Requirements are typically product-specific (as opposed to
interface-specific in most countries), so the requirements that apply depend
on the exact nature of the product.  For example, the standard for a fax modem
card is different from the standard for a fax machine and also different from
the standard for a V.90 modem.

2) Approvals are granted at two levels.  The first level is for sale to the
general public, while the second, more stringent level, is for sale to the
Government.


So, the requirements that apply to a specific product will depend on what the
product is and who it is being sold to.

In general, telecom equipment approvals are specified by TEC
(Telecommunication Engineering Center, http://www.tec.gov.in/grn.php).  The
referenced web page lists several different TEC standards, including some that
are modem-specific.

I haven't had to deal with approvals in India for a few years now
(thankfully), but if you need help with sorting this out I can try to help.  I
would need more details on the product, though.




Joe Randolph
Telecom Design Consultant
Randolph Telecom, Inc.
781-721-2848 (USA)
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Hello to all,

 

Is it mandatory or voluntary to obtain an analog PSTN modem approval in India?
TRAI is the Telecommunications Regulatory Authority in India. I have searched
all over including the TRAI website, but have not been able to find an answer
to this question. I’m hoping someone in this group will have the answer.

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron

 

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Re: [PSES] India and 13.56 Mhz Frequency

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I do not have a weblink but have a PDF document which I can share. Anyone 
interested can email me at pe...@goglobalcompliance.com 

Peter Merguerian
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pe...@goglobalcompliance.com

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 17, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com wrote:



Hi Peter,

 

Please share your source (weblink, etc.) with the group. That should’ve 
only happened recently, so when was that announced? And, where can we find the 
new regulation reflecting that?

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron





From: peter merguerian [mailto:pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:37 PM
To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] India and 13.56 Mhz Frequency

 

Dear All,

 

The 13.56 Mhz has been de-licensed in India which means manufacturers 
of equipment using this frequency can now apply for type approvals/homologation 
with the India WPC.

 

Best Regards,

 

 

Peter Merguerian

Go Global Compliance Inc.

(408) 416-3772 

mailto:pe...@goglobalcompliance.com pe...@goglobalcompliance.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: [PSES] India and 13.56 Mhz Frequency

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I saw that too this week (I think?) and am now trying to find where it was I 
read the news.  Sometimes there is just too much info...


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From: Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com
Subject: RE: [PSES] India and 13.56 Mhz Frequency
To: peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com
Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 3:40 PM



Hi Peter,

 

Please share your source (weblink, etc.) with the group. That should’ve 
only happened recently, so when was that announced? And, where can we find the 
new regulation reflecting that?

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron





From: peter merguerian [mailto:pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:37 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] India and 13.56 Mhz Frequency

 

Dear All,

 

The 13.56 Mhz has been de-licensed in India which means manufacturers 
of equipment using this frequency can now apply for type approvals/homologation 
with the India WPC.

 

Best Regards,

 

 

Peter Merguerian

Go Global Compliance Inc.

(408) 416-3772 

pe...@goglobalcompliance.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: [PSES] India and 13.56 Mhz Frequency

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Hi Peter,

 

Please share your source (weblink, etc.) with the group. That should’ve only
happened recently, so when was that announced? And, where can we find the new
regulation reflecting that?

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron



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Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:37 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] India and 13.56 Mhz Frequency

 

Dear All,

 

The 13.56 Mhz has been de-licensed in India which means manufacturers of
equipment using this frequency can now apply for type approvals/homologation
with the India WPC.

 

Best Regards,

 

 

Peter Merguerian

Go Global Compliance Inc.

(408) 416-3772 

pe...@goglobalcompliance.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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India and 13.56 Mhz Frequency

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Dear All,
 
The 13.56 Mhz has been de-licensed in India which means manufacturers of
equipment using this frequency can now apply for type approvals/homologation
with the India WPC.
 
Best Regards,
 
 
Peter Merguerian
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Safety Compliance engineer Job Opening in India, Bangalore

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Hi 

APC India currently has an opening for a safety compliance engineer in
Bangalore India.  If you know of someone please ask that they forward their
resume to me.  I will then forward their resume to the proper person in India.
  The candidate should have some prior compliance work experience dealing with
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Consumer Audio Video for India and Thailand

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Can anyone give me a brief description of legal requirements for 
consumer audio and video equipment for  India and Thailand?

AV Equipment, mains powered.
AV Equipment, with external power supplies.
   AM/FM Receivers, CD/DVD/Blu Ray players, docking stations.
   Active and Passive speakers.
   Things with RF Remotes, WiFi, Bluetooth
Automotive after-market covering all of the above product types.

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Consumer Audio Video for India and Thailand

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Greeting in the New Year!

Can anyone give me a brief description of legal requirements for 
consumer audio and video equipment for  India and Thailand?

AV Equipment, mains powered.
AV Equipment, with external power supplies.
AM/FM Receivers, CD/DVD/Blu Ray players, docking stations.
Active and Passive speakers.
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Re: Power holdup in India

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I hope the 5 second interruption was intended to meet Performance Criteria C. 
In contrast, I assume the product is to meet Performance Criteria B for the
two dip (reduction) tests. Right?  

I'm surprised that India does not have a holdup time requirement under
Performance Criteria B that would be on the order of 10ms to 20ms.


Monrad Monsen




peter merguerian wrote on 9/15/2009 6:15 PM Mountain Time: 

Moshe Shalom,
   
Immunity to Voltage Dips and Short Interruptions
 

Immuni

IEC- 

61000-4-11 : 2001 or later

Dip (Reduction)  of  30% of supply voltage for 500 ms 

Dip (Reduction)  of  60% of supply voltage for 200 ms

Interruption (reduction of  95% of supply voltage ) for 5 secs.

 
Best Regards,
 
Peter Merguerian

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From: Moshe Valdman mvald...@netvision.net.il
mailto:mvald...@netvision.net.il 
Subject: Power holdup in India
To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' mailto:'emc-p...@ieee.org'  
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mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org 
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 11:04 AM


Hi all,

Does anyone have any information about holdup requirements or standards 
for
telecom power in India?
This is typically 10 msec for the DC input (and usually 20 msec for 
AC/DC
power supplies), but I think due to low power quality, in India a longer time
might berequired

thanks in advance,
Moshe Valdman

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Immuni
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Best Regards,
 
Peter Merguerian

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From: Moshe Valdman mvald...@netvision.net.il
Subject: Power holdup in India
To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' emc-p...@ieee.org
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 11:04 AM


Hi all,

Does anyone have any information about holdup requirements or standards 
for
telecom power in India?
This is typically 10 msec for the DC input (and usually 20 msec for 
AC/DC
power supplies), but I think due to low power quality, in India a longer time
might berequired

thanks in advance,
Moshe Valdman

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Power holdup in India

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Hi all,

Does anyone have any information about holdup requirements or standards for 
telecom power in India?
This is typically 10 msec for the DC input (and usually 20 msec for AC/DC 
power supplies), but I think due to low power quality, in India a longer 
time might berequired

thanks in advance,
Moshe Valdman

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RE: Short range device frequencies for India

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Hi David,

you can use 315 MHz as well as 868 MHz for SRD in India.
When using 433 MHzyou currently need to apply for a user license.
This might change next year.

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Does anyone have spectrum assignment frequencies for India?
Although 433 MHz band is available, but it is multipurpose.

Are any other frequency bands acceptable ( 10 mW)?

_Honeywell
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RE: EMC Consultant Needed- Must Travel to India

[jeffcollins03]

 
Group,
 
Can anyone recommend a good EMC consultant that either lives in India or is 
willing to travel there within the next couple of weeks.

The project is a solar controller system that operates at 60 VDC. 

Please contact me via email.
 
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Sr. Consultant,Compliance  Reliability Engineering


 
 

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Re: 13.56 MHz RFID for India

[peter merguerian]

Not allowed but special permission may be granted by the WPC depending on the
power levels. Each case is considered separately.
 
Peter Merguerian

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Subject: 13.56 MHz RFID for India
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Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 2:43 AM


I am aware that 865-867 MHz RFID is allowed in India and it does not
require a license. Does anyone know if 13.56 MHz is an allowable RFID
frequency for India?

Thank you,
Bob Heller
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13.56 MHz RFID for India

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I am aware that 865-867 MHz RFID is allowed in India and it does not
require a license. Does anyone know if 13.56 MHz is an allowable RFID
frequency for India?

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India spec IR-CTI-01-03 JAN 2007

[Daniel Roman]

For anyone doing analog telecom approvals in India:

 

If you’ve been subjected to the current limiting requirement from the CTI
spec, what is the feed resistance that India uses?  The spec does not give any
details.  Is it the same as the old CTR21 for France, is it 600 ohms,
something else?

 

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Re: India spec IR-CTI-01-03 JAN 2007

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On 9/17/2008, Daniel Roman wrote:



If youve been subjected to the current limiting requirement from the 
CTI
spec, what is the feed resistance that India uses?  The spec does not give any
details.  Is it the same as the old CTR21 for France, is it 600 ohms,
something else? 



Hi Dan:

I have a copy of IR/TEL-01/03.JAN2003, which may or may not be the current
version.  In clause 2.5, they list the feed characteristics of eight different
central office switches that are used in India.  For the 60 mA limiting
feature in the TE, it appears that the worst case feed is a NEAX 61E switch,
with 58 volts applied through 400 ohms.

By my calculations, the power dissipated in the TE at 60 mA would be 1.98
watts with this feed circuit.  With the TBR 21 feed circuit (50 volts, 300
ohms), the power is 1.92 watts.  

So, if India uses the worst-case feed voltage of 57 volts, the power
dissipation in the TE will be about the same as with TBR 21.  However, if
India uses the nominal voltage of 48 volts, the power dissipation in the TE
drops to 1.4 watts.  This is not much worse than what you can get even without
current limiting in the TE.





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Re: Human Exposure in China and India

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Hi Don,
China doesn't use ICNIRP standard, their own standard is GB8702-88(published
in 1988).
 
Besides, some other standard also related to human exposure, GB9715-88,
GB12638-90, GB10436-89, GB10437-89, GB16203-96.
 
These standards are issued by different ministries, there is no harmonized
human exposure standard in china since now. Generally, chinese standards will
reference to Euro standard. 
 
Actually, china standard ministry has established a new human explosure
standard, but many large telecom manufactures do not satisfy this standard
because they think limit value in this standard is too low. So this standard
has not been approved yet.
 
 

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Human Exposure in China and India

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exposure, or do they have their own national regulation for human exposure?  I
am interested especially in the frequency range below 100 kHz.

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Re: Analog PSTN loop current limiting in India

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Hi Dan:

Just a quick follow up to my earlier posting.  with a little more searching, I
found that the 2-wire PSTN specification S/INT-2W/02.MAY2001 is still listed
as number 249 on the TEC web site in the large list at the following URL:

http://www.tec.gov.in/List/complete.pdf

This suggests to me that this specification is still in force, although it is
unclear how TEC decides which types of equipment it covers.  In my view, this
appears to be the basic access standard for analog PSTN terminal equipment. 
It does not require current limiting.  So, if another standard that *appears*
to cover your product does require current limiting, it is worth discussing
the discrepancy with TEC to see if the requirement can be waived for your
particular situation.





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Re: Analog PSTN loop current limiting in India

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On 1/7/2008, Daniel Roman wrote:



India was one of the last few countries requiring loop current limiting.  I
know they were in the process of redoing all their standards, but in one of
the newest standards I have from January 2007, IR-CTI-01-03 JAN 2007, loop
current limiting is still listed as a requirement.  Does anyone have any
updated information on this requirement?  Seems a shame to have to design this
into the hardware only for one country, it takes up so much space! 




Hi Dan:

I agree that it would be a shame to have to include current limiting for
India, given that the EU, and even France, stopped requiring it several years
ago.  I think it is probably an artifact that it continues to appear in some
standards for India.  The requirement is traceable to certain older central
office line cards (mostly Alcatel, I believe) that depended on current
limiting in order to operate properly.  The French national network was at one
time configured this way, but it no longer is.  Perhaps India has, or once
had, some Alcatel CO equipment that used French-style line cards.  I do not
have a good answer for your question, but I do have the following comments:

1) India's standards-writing process tends to be product-specific rather than
interface-specific.  It appears to me that for each product standard that gets
issued, a different group of engineers writes the standard using whatever
requirements they choose.  Sometimes they simply borrow requirements that
appear in other country's specifications.  There is very little consistency
among products with similar analog PSTN interfaces, such as modems, fax
machines, and telephones.

2) In the past, the only place I have seen the current limiting requirement
for India was in specifications for telephones.  The requirements for modems,
fax machines, and PBXs did not require current limiting.  This has always
seemed odd to me, since the phone company's central office has no way of
knowing what type of terminal equipment is connected to a given analog PSTN
line.  If the 60 mA current limiter is required to protect the central office
line card, it should be required for all types of terminal equipment.

3) In the past, the telephone specifications that called out current limiting
were always the generic requirement GR type for equipment to be purchased by
network operators, while the more general IR specifications for simple
approval-to-sell in India did not contain any requirement for current
limiting.  It is troubling if the current limiting requirement is now creeping
into some IR requirements.


I see on the TEC web site that the specification you reference is for System
Employing Computer Telephony Integration.  Does this standard explicitly call
for current limiting on an analog PSTN FXO interface, or does it do so
indirectly by referencing another standard?

In the past, India's default interface requirement for 2-wire analog PSTN
terminals was S/INT-2W/02.MAY2001, which did not require current limiting.  I
do not see that listed now on the TEC web site, but I see a similar-sounding
standard IR/PST-01/01.SEP2005, Terminal for Connecting to PSTN. 
Unfortunately, I do not have a copy of that standard.  If in fact it is a
replacement for the earlier 2-wire standard, it would be very interesting to
see whether current limiting is called out.

I'm sorry that I can't provide a direct answer to your question, but it
appears that India's specifications have evolved slightly since the last time
I looked into this problem.  My suggestion would be to push back a little bit
on TEC before you agree to include current limiting, possibly by citing some
of the inconsistencies I have noted above.  You might also be able to
re-characterize your product so that it does not fall under the scope of a
standard that calls out current limiting.

I remain interested in whatever you eventually find out about this anomaly.



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Analog PSTN loop current limiting in India

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India was one of the last few countries requiring loop current limiting.  I
know they were in the process of redoing all their standards, but in one of
the newest standards I have from January 2007, IR-CTI-01-03 JAN 2007, loop
current limiting is still listed as a requirement.  Does anyone have any
updated information on this requirement?  Seems a shame to have to design this
into the hardware only for one country, it takes up so much space!

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RE: India Regulatory Compliance requirements

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The standard I mentioned is for EMC, dated May 2006, a previous issue was
dated 
September 2001. This is for Telecom equipment that would be connected to the
public 
network. ITE equipment does not fall under this standard. ITE equipment does
not have 
to comply with EMC or safety standards at the moment. 

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  From: Kevin Keegan
  Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 6:21 AM
 
   May2006 Safety is as per IEC 60950.
 
 Is the date a typo or are you saying that, as of MAY2006 (last year)
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 A particular national marking?
 
 
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RE: India Regulatory Compliance requirements

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Kevin -

Please expand on this: 

 From: Kevin Keegan
 Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 6:21 AM

  May2006 Safety is as per IEC 60950.

Is the date a typo or are you saying that, as of MAY2006 (last year)
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RE: India Regulatory Compliance requirements

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Bob:

Just to add to your comment, For Telecom products , EMI/EMC is mandatory as
per 
Standard No.SD/EMI-02/03. May2006 Safety is as per IEC 60950.


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 India is in the process of developing mandatory product safety, EMC
regulatory programs for IT 
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working 
with local 
 and international industry to develop these programs and standards which I
believe 
would 
 become effective sometime in 2008. 
 
 There of course could be purchase requirements from large customers or
Government 
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Mandatory. I do 
believe 
 they have a plugs/sockets laws that could impact power cords brought in with 
equipment. 
 
 Bob Griffin 
 
 
 
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 There are no mandatory safety/emc requirements for ITE in India. However,
Wlan 
have 
 to be registered with the WPC.
 
 
 
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 Arethere any mandatory regulatory compliance requirements for ITE
products sold 
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 I have heard about S-Mark for Safety, but I am not sure if it is must to
have. 
 
 
 
 It is mostly done under STQC scheme, established by Indian goverment, but
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RE: India Regulatory Compliance requirements

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India is in the process of developing mandatory product safety, EMC regulatory
programs for IT equipment however these have not been formally announced yet.
They are working with local and international industry to develop these
programs and standards which I believe would become effective sometime in
2008. 

 

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that is Mandatory. I do believe they have a plugs/sockets laws that could
impact power cords brought in with equipment. 

 

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There are no mandatory safety/emc requirements for ITE in India. However, Wlan
have to be registered with the WPC.

 

Best Regards,

 

Peter

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sold in India? Safety or EMC? What about WLAN? 

I have heard about S-Mark for Safety, but I am not sure if it is must to have. 

 

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their website is not clear regarding the standards or markings.

 

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Re: India Regulatory Complinace requirements

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How do you prove there are no EMC/ Safety requirements when trying to import
your product into India to the authorities? Should you have a Self DOC stating
this is an ITE product in which there are no mandatory requirements for
India.? 
 
Is there a voluntary Mark you should have on the product stating there are no
ITE requirements? Or should you just put the S Safety Mark on the product
stating compliance to a specific ITE standard ( 60950)
 
I'm always concerned with shipping products into countries that have no
mandatory EMC/Safety requirements thinking it may be stopped at Customs.
 
Has anyone ever had anyone/authority challenge their ITE product in India
based on the position  there are no EMC/Safety requirements for India?
 
Thanks!
 
Christine Rodham

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have to be registered with the WPC.
 
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Peter

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My experience recently with the BIS web site is similar regarding set
top boxes.  STBs are sort of androgynous, might be 60950-1 and might be
60065 or both, but India seems to have no safety requirements in the BIS
mandatory list.

Can anyone shed any additional light on applicable safety and EMC
requirements for an STB?


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Are there any mandatory regulatory compliance requirements for ITE products
sold in India? Safety or EMC? What about WLAN? 
I have heard about S-Mark for Safety, but I am not sure if it is must to have. 
 
It is mostly done under STQC scheme, established by Indian goverment, but
their website is not clear regarding the standards or markings.
 
Any information will help. 
 
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Re: India Wireless testing.

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Dear Jeff,
 
The WPC notification states type approved not type certification. Type
approval in India can be holding of  a test report by the vendor showing
compliance with the regulations.
 
To me mandatory certification is when the India customs has a list of HS
codes to check whether an equipment is regulated and can verify through the
WPC database if the wireless equipment is approved. In the case of India, no
such system exists and there is no market surveillance. Unless, we have
concrete evidence from the WPC that equipment must be approved by the WPC, I
still say the requirements are VOLUNTARY. Nobody in the group has yet shown
proof that WPC approval is mandatory.
 
Best Regards,
 
Peter
 


SIEMIC PSTC siemic_p...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hello Peter,
 
I am glad you took second look at the WPC Notification but we do NOT agree
with your interpretation of the rules.
 
Please see email comments below from Leslie Bai, our expertise on
international approvals, and I also confirmed with our SISC - SIEMIC India
Service Center, that the approval is MANDATORY!
 
*
Hi Jeff, One shall understand the difference between License of using
wireless equipment and Certification of Wireless Products. WPC Note Item 3
states that License is not required to use 2.4GHz devices, this does not
mean the used devices do not need Certification. Basically, India WPC Notice
says, 2.4GHz is unlicensed band, i.e. no license is required to operate at
this frequency band (Defined in Item 3: Use of Wireless equipment), but 2.4GHz
device is still required for Type Certification (defined in Item 6: Equipment
Certification). 
 
***

If you need more information, you can contact Mr.Bai in our San Jose office at
(408)526 1188 or (408) 526 1088, or email him at leslie@siemic.com.
 
Best regards
Jeff Jin
SIEMIC InfoTech (China) Ltd.
www.siemic.com.cn http://www.siemic.com.cn/ 
 
 
 

peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com wrote:

Jeff,
 
I still say voluntary - see item 3 of the same document:
 
3. Use of wireless equipment in the band 2.4 GHz to 2.4835 GHz.-
Notwithstanding anything contained in any law for the time being in force, no
licence shall be required by any person to establish, maintain, work, possess
or deal in any wireless equipment, on non-interference, non-protection and
shared (non-exclusive) basis,  in the frequency band 2.4 GHz to 2.4835 GHz
with the transmitter power, Effective Radiated Power and height of antenna as
specified in the Table below, namely :-  
 
TABLE
 

Maximum out power of transmitter 
Maximum Effective Radiated Power 
Height of Antenna

(1)
(2)
(3)

1 W (30 dBm) in Spread of 10 MHz or higher
4 W (36 dBm)
Within 5 metres above the roof top of existing authorized building


SIEMIC PSTC siemic_p...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hello Peter,
 
India WPC certification for 2.4GHz is not volunatry basis but mandatory. On
the other hand, Safety Mark is voluntary basis for India.
 
Please refer to WPC Notification [No.R-11014/17/2004-LR (Pt.)] , 2.4GHz
Wireless Devices
 
6. Equipment.- (1) The wireless equipment shall be type approved and
designed and constructed in such a manner that the bandwidth of emission and
other parameters shall conform to the limits specified in the Table referred
to in rule 3.
 
 
I hope this helps.
 
Thanks
Jeff Jin
SIEMIC InfoTech (China) Ltd.
www.siemic.com.cn http://www.siemic.com.cn/  
 


peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com wrote:


Bill,
 
 
WPC is a spectrum allocation body. Their certification is not needed for India
but can be applied for on a voluntary basis.  There are no mandatory approvals
needed at this time. It is ok to sell in India with the existing FCC/European
test reports. If cord connected, make sure the power cord has an ISI mark from
BIS.
 
If you need my help or quotation for WPC certification, please give me a call
at TUV  Rheinland of North America, Pleasanton, SF office (925) 249-9123
Extension 134 or e-mail me at pmerguer...@us.tuv.com
 
Best Regards,
 
Peter
 


Bill Stumpf bstu...@dlsemc.com wrote: 

Hello group,
Can anyone point me in the direction needed to test and sell a wireless device
(2.4 GHz DSSS) in India?
 
Thanks,
Bill
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Re: India Wireless testing.

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Hi All,

I think I can help sort this out.

The language of the WPC notification is confusing, but the straight  
story is that individuals or entities need not be licensed to  
possess, use or sell 2.4GHz radio equipment, but the equipment itself  
has to be type approved. One reason for the confusing language is  
that WPC *does* require licenses for those activities related to  
radio equipment operating in other bands that have not been de-licensed.

When the 2.4GHz band was de-licensed a few years back, Compliance  
International's New Delhi office worked closely with officials at WPC  
to understand the intention of the notification and the type approval  
requirement. There was some confusion for a time as WPC worked out  
the details, but now the requirements are clear and rather  
straightforward. WPC will grant approval based on review of existing  
FCC report and accompanying documents. No in-country testing required.

Someone asked about enforcement. It's always hard to get the full  
picture on enforcement, but what we are seeing today is that most (if  
not all) of the major vendors of common radio devices (e.g., WLAN)  
are pursuing WPC approval for products they sell in India.

Hope this helps,

-Fred Borda
Compliance International


On 31 Aug 2006, at 6:04 AM, UMBDENSTOCK, DON wrote:

 Sounds similar to FCC for Part 15 intentional radiators – license  
 not required but certification is required…



 Don Umbdenstock
 Manager Compliance Engineering

 Tyco Safety Products / Sensormatic
 6600 Congress Avenue
 Boca Raton, FL 33487 USA
 Phone:  561.912.6440
 djumbdenst...@tycoint.com



 From: SIEMIC PSTC [mailto:siemic_p...@yahoo.com]
 Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:30 AM
 To: peter merguerian; Bill Stumpf; emc-p...@ieee.org
 Subject: Re: India Wireless testing.



 Hello Peter,



 I am glad you took second look at the WPC Notification but we do  
 NOT agree with your interpretation of the rules.



 Please see email comments below from Leslie Bai, our expertise on  
 international approvals, and I also confirmed with our SISC -  
 SIEMICIndia Service Center, that the approval is MANDATORY!



 *

 Hi Jeff, One shall understand the difference between License of  
 using wireless equipment and Certification of Wireless Products.  
 WPC Note Item 3 states that License is not required to use 2.4GHz  
 devices, this does not mean the used devices do not need  
 Certification. Basically, India WPC Notice says, 2.4GHz is  
 unlicensed band, i.e. no license is required to operate at this  
 frequency band (Defined in Item 3: Use of Wireless equipment), but  
 2.4GHz device is still required for Type Certification (defined in  
 Item 6: Equipment Certification).



 ***

 If you need more information, you can contact Mr.Bai in our San  
 Jose office at (408)526 1188 or (408) 526 1088, or email him  
 atleslie@siemic.com.



 Best regards

 Jeff Jin

 SIEMIC InfoTech (China) Ltd.

 www.siemic.com.cn








 peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Jeff,



 I still say voluntary - see item 3 of the same document:



 3.  Use of wireless equipment in the band 2.4 GHz to 2.4835  
 GHz.- Notwithstanding anything contained in any law for the time  
 being in force, no licence shall be required by any person to  
 establish, maintain, work, possess or deal in any wireless  
 equipment, on non-interference, non-protection and shared (non- 
 exclusive) basis,  in the frequency band 2.4 GHz to 2.4835 GHz with  
 the transmitter power, Effective Radiated Power and height of  
 antenna as specified in the Table below, namely :-



 TABLE



 Maximum out power of transmitter

 Maximum Effective Radiated Power

 Height of Antenna

 (1)

 (2)

 (3)

 1 W (30 dBm) in Spread of 10 MHz or higher

 4 W (36 dBm)

 Within 5 metres above the roof top of existing authorized building



 SIEMIC PSTC siemic_p...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hello Peter,



 India WPC certification for 2.4GHz is not volunatry basis but  
 mandatory. On the other hand, Safety Mark is voluntary basis for  
 India.



 Please refer to WPC Notification [No.R-11014/17/2004-LR (Pt.)] ,  
 2.4GHz Wireless Devices



 6.   Equipment.- (1) The wireless equipment shall be type approved  
 and designed and constructed in such a manner that the bandwidth of  
 emission and other parameters shall conform to the limits specified  
 in the Table referred to in rule 3.





 I hope this helps.



 Thanks

 Jeff Jin

 SIEMIC InfoTech (China) Ltd.

 www.siemic.com.cn





 peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Bill,





 WPC is a spectrum allocation body. Their certification is not  
 needed for India but can be applied for on a voluntary basis.   
 There are no mandatory approvals needed at this time. It is ok to  
 sell in India with the existing FCC/European test reports. If cord  
 connected, make sure the power cord has an ISI mark from BIS.



 If you need my help or quotation for WPC

RE: India Wireless testing.

[emc-p...@ieee.org]

Sounds similar to FCC for Part 15 intentional radiators – license not
required but certification is required…
 
Don Umbdenstock
Manager Compliance Engineering

Tyco Safety Products / Sensormatic
6600 Congress Avenue
Boca Raton, FL 33487 USA
Phone:  561.912.6440 
 mailto:djumbdenst...@tycoint.com djumbdenst...@tycoint.com
 
  _  

From: SIEMIC PSTC [mailto:siemic_p...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:30 AM
To: peter merguerian; Bill Stumpf; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: India Wireless testing.
 
Hello Peter,
 
I am glad you took second look at the WPC Notification but we do NOT agree
with your interpretation of the rules.
 
Please see email comments below from Leslie Bai, our expertise on
international approvals, and I also confirmed with our SISC - SIEMIC India
Service Center, that the approval is MANDATORY!
 
*
Hi Jeff, One shall understand the difference between License of using
wireless equipment and Certification of Wireless Products. WPC Note Item 3
states that License is not required to use 2.4GHz devices, this does not
mean the used devices do not need Certification. Basically, India WPC Notice
says, 2.4GHz is unlicensed band, i.e. no license is required to operate at
this frequency band (Defined in Item 3: Use of Wireless equipment), but 2.4GHz
device is still required for Type Certification (defined in Item 6: Equipment
Certification). 
 
***
If you need more information, you can contact Mr.Bai in our San Jose office at
(408)526 1188 or (408) 526 1088, or email him at leslie@siemic.com.
 
Best regards
Jeff Jin
SIEMIC InfoTech (China) Ltd.
www.siemic.com.cn
 
 
 

peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com wrote:
Jeff,
 
I still say voluntary - see item 3 of the same document:
 
3.  Use of wireless equipment in the band 2.4 GHz to 2.4835 GHz.-
Notwithstanding anything contained in any law for the time being in force, no
licence shall be required by any person to establish, maintain, work, possess
or deal in any wireless equipment, on non-interference, non-protection and
shared (non-exclusive) basis,  in the frequency band 2.4 GHz to 2.4835 GHz
with the transmitter power, Effective Radiated Power and height of antenna as
specified in the Table below, namely :-  
 
TABLE
 

Maximum out power of transmitter 
Maximum Effective Radiated Power 
Height of Antenna

(1)
(2)
(3)

1 W (30 dBm) in Spread of 10 MHz or higher
4 W (36 dBm)
Within 5 metres above the roof top of existing authorized building


SIEMIC PSTC siemic_p...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hello Peter,
 
India WPC certification for 2.4GHz is not volunatry basis but mandatory. On
the other hand, Safety Mark is voluntary basis for India.
 
Please refer to WPC Notification [No.R-11014/17/2004-LR (Pt.)] , 2.4GHz
Wireless Devices
 
6.   Equipment.- (1) The wireless equipment shall be type approved and
designed and constructed in such a manner that the bandwidth of emission and
other parameters shall conform to the limits specified in the Table referred
to in rule 3.
 
 
I hope this helps.
 
Thanks
Jeff Jin
SIEMIC InfoTech (China) Ltd.
www.siemic.com.cn http://www.siemic.com.cn/  
 


peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com wrote:
Bill,
 
 
WPC is a spectrum allocation body. Their certification is not needed for India
but can be applied for on a voluntary basis.  There are no mandatory approvals
needed at this time. It is ok to sell in India with the existing FCC/European
test reports. If cord connected, make sure the power cord has an ISI mark from
BIS.
 
If you need my help or quotation for WPC certification, please give me a call
at TUV  Rheinland of North America, Pleasanton, SF office (925) 249-9123
Extension 134 or e-mail me at pmerguer...@us.tuv.com
 
Best Regards,
 
Peter
 


Bill Stumpf bstu...@dlsemc.com wrote: 
Hello group,
Can anyone point me in the direction needed to test and sell a wireless device
(2.4 GHz DSSS) in India?
 
Thanks,
Bill
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Hello Jeff

Can we say that it is mandatory but not enforced well?
The question here is that how many percentage of
products going to certification and what the
punishment if no certification?

Regards
Kyaw
Olympus Technologies Singapore

--- SIEMIC PSTC siemic_p...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hello Peter,

   I am glad you took second look at the WPC
 Notification but we do NOT agree with your
 interpretation of the rules.

   Please see email comments below from Leslie Bai,
 our expertise on international approvals, and I also
 confirmed with our SISC - SIEMIC India Service
 Center, that the approval is MANDATORY!

   *
   Hi Jeff, One shall understand the difference
 between License of using wireless equipment and
 Certification of Wireless Products. WPC Note Item
 3 states that License is not required to use 2.4GHz
 devices, this does not mean the used devices do not
 need Certification. Basically, India WPC Notice
 says, 2.4GHz is unlicensed band, i.e. no license is
 required to operate at this frequency band (Defined
 in Item 3: Use of Wireless equipment), but 2.4GHz
 device is still required for Type Certification
 (defined in Item 6: Equipment Certification). 

   ***
 
   If you need more information, you can contact
 Mr.Bai in our San Jose office at (408)526 1188 or
 (408) 526 1088, or email him at
 leslie@siemic.com.

   Best regards
   Jeff Jin
   SIEMIC InfoTech (China) Ltd.
   www.siemic.com.cn



   
 peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Jeff,

   I still say voluntary - see item 3 of the same
 document:

   3. Use of wireless equipment in the band
 2.4 GHz to 2.4835 GHz.- Notwithstanding anything
 contained in any law for the time being in force, no
 licence shall be required by any person to
 establish, maintain, work, possess or deal in any
 wireless equipment, on non-interference,
 non-protection and shared (non-exclusive) basis,  in
 the frequency band 2.4 GHz to 2.4835 GHz with the
 transmitter power, Effective Radiated Power and
 height of antenna as specified in the Table below,
 namely :-  

   TABLE

 Maximum out power of transmitter 
 Maximum Effective Radiated Power 
 Height of Antenna
   (1)
 (2)
 (3)
   1 W (30 dBm) in Spread of 10 MHz or higher
 4 W (36 dBm)
 Within 5 metres above the roof top of existing
 authorized building
 
   
 
 SIEMIC PSTC siemic_p...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello Peter,

   India WPC certification for 2.4GHz is not
 volunatry basis but mandatory. On the other hand,
 Safety Mark is voluntary basis for India.

   Please refer to WPC Notification
 [No.R-11014/17/2004-LR (Pt.)] , 2.4GHz Wireless
 Devices

   6. Equipment.- (1) The wireless equipment
 shall be type approved and designed and constructed
 in such a manner that the bandwidth of emission and
 other parameters shall conform to the limits
 specified in the Table referred to in rule 3.


   I hope this helps.

   Thanks
   Jeff Jin
   SIEMIC InfoTech (China) Ltd.
   www.siemic.com.cn 

   
 
 peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Bill,


   WPC is a spectrum allocation body. Their
 certification is not needed for India but can be
 applied for on a voluntary basis.  There are no
 mandatory approvals needed at this time. It is ok to
 sell in India with the existing FCC/European test
 reports. If cord connected, make sure the power cord
 has an ISI mark from BIS.

   If you need my help or quotation for WPC
 certification, please give me a call at TUV 
 Rheinland of North America, Pleasanton, SF office
 (925) 249-9123 Extension 134 or e-mail me at
 pmerguer...@us.tuv.com

   Best Regards,

   Peter

 
 
 Bill Stumpf bstu...@dlsemc.com wrote:   Hello
 group,
   Can anyone point me in the direction needed to
 test and sell a wireless device (2.4 GHz DSSS) in
 India?

   Thanks,
   Bill
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Hello Peter,
 
I am glad you took second look at the WPC Notification but we do NOT agree
with your interpretation of the rules.
 
Please see email comments below from Leslie Bai, our expertise on
international approvals, and I also confirmed with our SISC - SIEMIC India
Service Center, that the approval is MANDATORY!
 
*
Hi Jeff, One shall understand the difference between License of using
wireless equipment and Certification of Wireless Products. WPC Note Item 3
states that License is not required to use 2.4GHz devices, this does not
mean the used devices do not need Certification. Basically, India WPC Notice
says, 2.4GHz is unlicensed band, i.e. no license is required to operate at
this frequency band (Defined in Item 3: Use of Wireless equipment), but 2.4GHz
device is still required for Type Certification (defined in Item 6: Equipment
Certification). 
 
***

If you need more information, you can contact Mr.Bai in our San Jose office at
(408)526 1188 or (408) 526 1088, or email him at leslie@siemic.com.
 
Best regards
Jeff Jin
SIEMIC InfoTech (China) Ltd.
www.siemic.com.cn
 
 
 

peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com wrote:

Jeff,
 
I still say voluntary - see item 3 of the same document:
 
3. Use of wireless equipment in the band 2.4 GHz to 2.4835 GHz.-
Notwithstanding anything contained in any law for the time being in force, no
licence shall be required by any person to establish, maintain, work, possess
or deal in any wireless equipment, on non-interference, non-protection and
shared (non-exclusive) basis,  in the frequency band 2.4 GHz to 2.4835 GHz
with the transmitter power, Effective Radiated Power and height of antenna as
specified in the Table below, namely :-  
 
TABLE
 

Maximum out power of transmitter 
Maximum Effective Radiated Power 
Height of Antenna

(1)
(2)
(3)

1 W (30 dBm) in Spread of 10 MHz or higher
4 W (36 dBm)
Within 5 metres above the roof top of existing authorized building


SIEMIC PSTC siemic_p...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hello Peter,
 
India WPC certification for 2.4GHz is not volunatry basis but mandatory. On
the other hand, Safety Mark is voluntary basis for India.
 
Please refer to WPC Notification [No.R-11014/17/2004-LR (Pt.)] , 2.4GHz
Wireless Devices
 
6. Equipment.- (1) The wireless equipment shall be type approved and
designed and constructed in such a manner that the bandwidth of emission and
other parameters shall conform to the limits specified in the Table referred
to in rule 3.
 
 
I hope this helps.
 
Thanks
Jeff Jin
SIEMIC InfoTech (China) Ltd.
www.siemic.com.cn http://www.siemic.com.cn/  
 


peter merguerian pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com wrote:


Bill,
 
 
WPC is a spectrum allocation body. Their certification is not needed for India
but can be applied for on a voluntary basis.  There are no mandatory approvals
needed at this time. It is ok to sell in India with the existing FCC/European
test reports. If cord connected, make sure the power cord has an ISI mark from
BIS.
 
If you need my help or quotation for WPC certification, please give me a call
at TUV  Rheinland of North America, Pleasanton, SF office (925) 249-9123
Extension 134 or e-mail me at pmerguer...@us.tuv.com
 
Best Regards,
 
Peter
 


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Jeff,
 
I still say voluntary - see item 3 of the same document:
 
3. Use of wireless equipment in the band 2.4 GHz to 2.4835 GHz.-
Notwithstanding anything contained in any law for the time being in force, no
licence shall be required by any person to establish, maintain, work, possess
or deal in any wireless equipment, on non-interference, non-protection and
shared (non-exclusive) basis,  in the frequency band 2.4 GHz to 2.4835 GHz
with the transmitter power, Effective Radiated Power and height of antenna as
specified in the Table below, namely :-  
 
TABLE
 

Maximum out power of transmitter 
Maximum Effective Radiated Power 
Height of Antenna

(1)
(2)
(3)

1 W (30 dBm) in Spread of 10 MHz or higher
4 W (36 dBm)
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Hello Peter,
 
India WPC certification for 2.4GHz is not volunatry basis but mandatory. On
the other hand, Safety Mark is voluntary basis for India.
 
Please refer to WPC Notification [No.R-11014/17/2004-LR (Pt.)] , 2.4GHz
Wireless Devices
 
6. Equipment.- (1) The wireless equipment shall be type approved and
designed and constructed in such a manner that the bandwidth of emission and
other parameters shall conform to the limits specified in the Table referred
to in rule 3.
 
 
I hope this helps.
 
Thanks
Jeff Jin
SIEMIC InfoTech (China) Ltd.
www.siemic.com.cn http://www.siemic.com.cn/  
 


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Bill,
 
 
WPC is a spectrum allocation body. Their certification is not needed for India
but can be applied for on a voluntary basis.  There are no mandatory approvals
needed at this time. It is ok to sell in India with the existing FCC/European
test reports. If cord connected, make sure the power cord has an ISI mark from
BIS.
 
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at TUV  Rheinland of North America, Pleasanton, SF office (925) 249-9123
Extension 134 or e-mail me at pmerguer...@us.tuv.com
 
Best Regards,
 
Peter
 


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India wireless approval is regulated by WPE of MCIT. 2.4GHz specification can
be found in MCIT Notification No.R-11014/17/2004-LR, August 25, 2004.
 
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but can be applied for on a voluntary basis.  There are no mandatory approvals
needed at this time. It is ok to sell in India with the existing FCC/European
test reports. If cord connected, make sure the power cord has an ISI mark from
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Best Regards,
 
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Who are the authorities to contact regarding radio equipment (Aeronautical
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SISC (Siemic India Service Center) collects all India standards, you may
contact lingdon.day...@siemic.com.
 
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Hi,
Thanks for those that replied.
Basically, I would conclude that this test it's not a must requirement. 
Just an additional test that the customer requires.

Regards
Koh

Koh wrote:

 Hi group,
 We had a request from an India customer. They need to have the 
 following test performed on our speaker.
 The speaker can be mains operated or powered via a external AC/DC 
 power adaptor.

 Test to perform/meet,
 1) Voltage input line shall be able to withstand 300Vac for 30mins
 2) Next followed by two 410Vac/1sec surge @ 0.1Hz repetition rate
 There shall be no permanent damaged to the power supply or the speaker 
 connected to the power supply during or after the test.
 3) If the sample pass the above test, continue test with single 1 sec 
 surges at 10V increments from 410Vac until failure and report failure 
 limit.

 I'm not an safety guys and moreover very puzzle on such test.
 Could someone advice which standard calls out such test?
 Is this test a India regulatory requirement to meet this?
 What is the purpose of this test?

 Regards
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Re: Mains test - India

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I don't see any contradiction here.  Step 3 clearly states that if the sample
passes the earlier test, then keep increasing the voltage until the sample
fails. 

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Interesting wording.  Make it fail with permanent damage to
the supply, then repeat the test.  Hmmmam I the only
one to see a failure in this logic?

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Koh koh...@singnet.com.sg wrote:
 There shall be no permanent damaged to the power supply
 or the speaker connected to the power supply during or
 after the test.
 3) If the sample pass the above test, continue test with
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 failure and report failure limit.

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Re: Mains test - India

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Interesting wording.  Make it fail with permanent damage to
the supply, then repeat the test.  Hmmmam I the only
one to see a failure in this logic?

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 Koh koh...@singnet.com.sg wrote:
 There shall be no permanent damaged to the power supply
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RE: Mains test - India

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Koh,

We have also dealt with these requirements and to the best of my knowledge
there is not a written requirement.  The tests are based on the fluctuations
of the power system in India.

Best Regards, 

Jody Leber 
Senior Regulatory Engineer 

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Subject: Mains test - India

Hi group,
We had a request from an India customer. They need to have the following test
performed on our speaker.
The speaker can be mains operated or powered via a external AC/DC power
adaptor.

Test to perform/meet,
1) Voltage input line shall be able to withstand 300Vac for 30mins
2) Next followed by two 410Vac/1sec surge @ 0.1Hz repetition rate There shall
be no permanent damaged to the power supply or the speaker connected to the
power supply during or after the test.
3) If the sample pass the above test, continue test with single 1 sec surges
at 10V increments from 410Vac until failure and report failure limit.

I'm not an safety guys and moreover very puzzle on such test.
Could someone advice which standard calls out such test?
Is this test a India regulatory requirement to meet this?
What is the purpose of this test?

Regards
Koh

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Mains test - India

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Hi group,
We had a request from an India customer. They need to have the following 
test performed on our speaker.
The speaker can be mains operated or powered via a external AC/DC power 
adaptor.

Test to perform/meet,
1) Voltage input line shall be able to withstand 300Vac for 30mins
2) Next followed by two 410Vac/1sec surge @ 0.1Hz repetition rate
There shall be no permanent damaged to the power supply or the speaker 
connected to the power supply during or after the test.
3) If the sample pass the above test, continue test with single 1 sec 
surges at 10V increments from 410Vac until failure and report failure limit.

I'm not an safety guys and moreover very puzzle on such test.
Could someone advice which standard calls out such test?
Is this test a India regulatory requirement to meet this?
What is the purpose of this test?

Regards
Koh

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Re: India QM-333

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Hi David,

I am not familiar with the QM-333 standard, but if you're not already familiar
with it, you might
try looking at ETSI's ETS 300019 series of standards (they are simliar to the
USA's NEBS
environmental requirements). There are many parts to that series (some may not
be applicable to your
needs), which are freely downloadable from ETSI's website, one at a time.

Regards,

Ron Pickard
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Hello,

Is there an ETSI equivalent for Indian standard QM-333  Specification for
environmental testing of
electronic equipments for transmission and switching use for environmental
category B-2.  Any
information on how to get a copy of this spec would help.

Thanks,

David.

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India QM-333

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Hello,
 
Is there an ETSI equivalent for Indian standard QM-333  Specification for
environmental testing of electronic equipments for transmission and switching
use for environmental category B-2.  Any information on how to get a copy of
this spec would help.
 
Thanks,
 
David.
 
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Re: India requirements

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Hello, Dan,
 
You can contact lingdon.day...@siemic.com for regulation of India approvals.
 
Regards,
 
Jeff Jin
SIEMIC Inc.
www.siemic.com
SIEMIC InfoTech (China) Ltd.
www.siemic.com.cn
HCT-SIEMIC America, Inc.
www.hctsiemic.com 
 
 
 


Anchondo, Dan dancho...@vivotech.com wrote:

Gentlemen
What are the requirements for 13.56 MHz RFID device for use in India?
Could I assume that the requirements would mirror UK? Will there be a CE
type immunity test program? Any information would help.
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India requirements

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Gentlemen
What are the requirements for 13.56 MHz RFID device for use in India?
Could I assume that the requirements would mirror UK? Will there be a CE
type immunity test program?  Any information would help.
Regards
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EMC RTTE requirements of India.

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Dear all,
 
Anyone can tell me where can I find the EMC  RTTE requirements of India?
 
Thanks.
 
Daniel.
 
 

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Fw: 915 MHz RFID in India

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My mistake, I meant the 915 MHz frequency for RFID (not the technology).

Bob Heller
Senior EMC Engineer
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
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Is anyone aware of a problem using 915 MHz technology in India?

Thanks,
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Re: 915 MHz RFID in India

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I  have heard of reflection problems with rfid tags when they are placed on
or near metallic surfaces.  The reflection is a problem with the reader of
the tags and causes poor reception from the tag.There is a company
developing rfid antenna and die attach inks and they are working on an emi
absorbing ink to be printed on the back of these tags to absorb these noises
to prevent reflection.  They can be found at  www.conductives.com and are
located in Ohio and Shenzhen.

Regards,

Steve Toyama
925 447-1200


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915 MHz RFID in India

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Is anyone aware of a problem using 915 MHz technology in India?

Thanks,
Bob Heller
Senior EMC Engineer
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RE: India Power Cord Plugs

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Dear Kazimier,

Here is a link to a BS4573 plug drawing:
http://www.chaus.com/images/products/dce508.htm

and here is a link to an Europlug drawing:
http://www.chaus.com/images/products/dce503.htm

the 2 standards are not equivalent.

Hope this helps
Alain Sam-Lai
Giga-Byte




From: kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com [mailto:kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:38 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: India Power Cord Plugs


Greetings,

I'm looking for some current  info on up to date design and certification
requirements for India power cord plugs (non-Industrial), 2 pin
configuration (unearthed).  Also, a lead towards a current information
source would be much appreciated.

The closest I have been able to find is reference to IS 1293 (three pin
plugs and sockets) but in checking the Bureau of Indian Standards website it
appears that standard IS 1293 has been withdrawn from the list of Indian
Standards under Mandatory certification.  Another reference for 2 pin
reversible plugs and sockets is IS 370:1954 which also is reflected as
withdrawn off the standards catalog by the BIS website.  I see references to
BS4573 as the compliance standard in some vendor catalogues for a 2 pin plug
India configuration but am not clear on whether BS4573 is the design norm
for India 2 pin plugs and how it stacks up against EN 50075 plugs used in
some EU countries.

Any insights would be most appreciated.

Thanks with Regards,
Kaz Gawrzyjal
kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com
Dell Inc.



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Re: India Power Cord Plugs

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The best information source would be one the global power cord 
manufacturers. Contact either Feller or Volex to see what they know.

Also, be careful with Indian plugs that are used for Electrical Shavers. I 
had an issue some years back  with ungrounded plugs where someone tried to 
setup a cord set with a  shaver plug. I recommend that you use the grounded 
and ungrounded South African Plugs for India and only get the plugs 
certified in India if it is a Customer satisfaction issue. SABs 
certification is usually good enough for the whole power cord or cord set.

Best regards,
Ron Wellman

At 09:37 AM 1/12/2004, kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com wrote:

Greetings,

I'm looking for some current  info on up to date design and certification
requirements for India power cord plugs (non-Industrial), 2 pin
configuration (unearthed).  Also, a lead towards a current information
source would be much appreciated.

The closest I have been able to find is reference to IS 1293 (three pin
plugs and sockets) but in checking the Bureau of Indian Standards website it
appears that standard IS 1293 has been withdrawn from the list of Indian
Standards under Mandatory certification.  Another reference for 2 pin
reversible plugs and sockets is IS 370:1954 which also is reflected as
withdrawn off the standards catalog by the BIS website.  I see references to
BS4573 as the compliance standard in some vendor catalogues for a 2 pin plug
India configuration but am not clear on whether BS4573 is the design norm
for India 2 pin plugs and how it stacks up against EN 50075 plugs used in
some EU countries.

Any insights would be most appreciated.

Thanks with Regards,
Kaz Gawrzyjal
kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com
Dell Inc.


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India Power Cord Plugs

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Greetings,

I'm looking for some current  info on up to date design and certification
requirements for India power cord plugs (non-Industrial), 2 pin
configuration (unearthed).  Also, a lead towards a current information
source would be much appreciated.

The closest I have been able to find is reference to IS 1293 (three pin
plugs and sockets) but in checking the Bureau of Indian Standards website it
appears that standard IS 1293 has been withdrawn from the list of Indian
Standards under Mandatory certification.  Another reference for 2 pin
reversible plugs and sockets is IS 370:1954 which also is reflected as
withdrawn off the standards catalog by the BIS website.  I see references to
BS4573 as the compliance standard in some vendor catalogues for a 2 pin plug
India configuration but am not clear on whether BS4573 is the design norm
for India 2 pin plugs and how it stacks up against EN 50075 plugs used in
some EU countries.

Any insights would be most appreciated.

Thanks with Regards,
Kaz Gawrzyjal
kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com
Dell Inc.



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Re: Approvals in India Indonesia Thailand

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Hello Amund,

It's difficult to be too specific without detailed product information, but 
in very general terms...

India
Radio regulator is the Wireless Planning and Coordination wing (WPC) of the 
Dept. of Telecommunications (DoT).

Evaluation of the radio may be required for licenses to import, sell, 
and/or operate the equipment. FCC certification is usually accepted for 
this. (The regulator, WPC wing of the DoT, specifically asks for FCC, not 
EU evidence of compliance.)

No separate EMC or safety approvals (and thus no testing) are required.


Indonesia
The Directorate General of Posts  Telecommunications (DG PosTel) regulates 
radio equipment.

As a rule testing is required, though it may be performed to ETSI 
standards. In some cases test requirements can be negotiated.

No separate EMC or safety approvals (and thus no testing) are required.


Thailand
The Posts and Telecommunications Department (PTD) regulates radio equipment.

PTD will often accept international standard test reports in lieu of 
in-country testing.

No separate EMC or safety approvals (and thus no testing) are required.


Hope this helps.

-Fred Borda
Compliance International
www.typeapproval.com



At PM 09:27 12/11/03 +0100, am...@westin-emission.no wrote:
We have a telecom / Radio product that have been tested according to the 
following EU standards:

EMC: EN 301 489-1, EN 301 489-12, EN55022
LVD: EN 60950
RTTE: EN 301 428

Now, we are looking for access to India, Indonesia and Thailand. Anybody 
familiar with these countries if the accepts CB test reports and RTTE test 
reports / certificate (Letter of Opinion) from a recognized EU notified 
body? We hope to minimize additional tests, but accepts that there may be 
some paper work to be carried out for each country.

Best regards
Amund Westin
Oslo / Norway


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Approvals in India Indonesia Thailand

[owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]

We have a telecom / Radio product that have been tested according to the
following EU standards:
 
EMC: EN 301 489-1, EN 301 489-12, EN55022
LVD: EN 60950
RTTE: EN 301 428
 
Now, we are looking for access to India, Indonesia and Thailand. Anybody
familiar with these countries if the accepts CB test reports and RTTE test
reports / certificate (Letter of Opinion) from a recognized EU notified body?
We hope to minimize additional tests, but accepts that there may be some paper
work to be carried out for each country.
 
Best regards
Amund Westin
Oslo / Norway

RE: India Compliance

[Georgerian, Richard]

Greetings All,
 
Before this 'India Compliance' thread goes to far, it has been mistakenly
attached to the original starting thread of 'NARTE questions'. For those who
track and save emails, this may be a problem when doing a search.
 
I have purposely deleted the email trails to this email, as most of you can
scroll down to the end and see the where it all began in the other India
postings.
 
Thanks.
 
Richard
=
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Compliance Engineer 
Carrier Access Corporation
5395 Pearl Parkway
Boulder, CO 80301
USA
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RE: India Compliance

[Dave Wilson]

Hi Rich,
 
Another guy who does a lot of compliance work in India is Jas Dhaliwal of
International Compliance  Approvals. He can be reached on (510) 821 4980,
email icac...@aol.com.
 
Regards,
 
Dave
 


Collins, Jeffrey jcoll...@ciena.com wrote: 

Rich,
 
You will definitely run into some nuances when deploying your products into
India. While on the surface it may appear the regulations are straight
forward, however when actually communicating with the authorities you will
begin to uncover the bureaucracy and will be at a distinct disadvantage.
The value of employing an agent will allow efficient communicate with the
certification body, test lab and your customer to facilitate the process,
define the testing scope, and cut through the bureaucracy. You need to find an
experienced agent that has a background in both cultures, spe! aks their
language and can provide solid engineering judgment.

We were able to maneuver through this maze much faster and cheaper than our
east coast division by hiring a consultant named Jay Gandhi of EMT. In my
opinion he is the best choice for India and a few other countries.

Here is his contact info: Jay Gandhi (650) 965-4000 'jg...@aol.com'

Regards,

Jeffrey Collins 

Sr. HW Engineering Manager 

Corporate Compliance  Homologations

CIENA Corporation

5965 Silver Creek Valley Rd. 

San Jose, CA. 95138

(408) 571-3002, Fax (408) 965-2705

jcoll...@ciena.com

http://www.ciena.com

 

 

 

 

 

 -Original Message-
From: Stone, Richard [mailto:rst...@xl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:19 AM
To: Georgerian, Richard; EMC PSTC
Subject: India Compliance


hello group,
2 questions in one day,
does this fulfill my allowance?
 
What are the India reuqirements for:
EMC-EMI
Safety
Telecom
Other?
 
do they reference other standards such 
as UL, EN and FCC type requirements...
 
thank you for taking a few minutes on this..
Richard,
 

Richard A. Stone 
Excel Switching Corporation 
Compliance 
75 Perseverance Way 
Hyannis, MA. 02601 
508 862 3311 ph. 
508 862 3020 fax 
rst...@xl.com 

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From: Georgerian, Richard [mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:06 AM
To: 'EMC PSTC'
Subject: RE: NARTE questions


Greetings All,
 
Only time will tell if being a NARTE certified product safety engineer will
have an impact in the profession. I just got my certificate yesterday. In the
long run, I think it'll help, but we have to start somewhere. Hopefully,
having this type of program will start a process to which people expect a
certain level of knowledge on product safety. Something analogous to someone
having a bachelors, masters or Ph.D. There is a certain level of knowledge
that one expects when someone has these degrees. (It is only a general
statement and I am sure there are plenty of knowledgeable people who do not
have degrees, that a smarter than those who do.) 
 
Good luck to all those who apply.
 
Richard
=
Richard Georgerian
Compliance Engineer 
Carrier Access Corporation
5395 Pearl Parkway
Boulder, CO 80301
USA
Tele: 303-218-5748 Fax: 303-218-5503 mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com
 


From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:boconn...@t-yuden.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:58 PM
To: 'EMC PSTC'
Subject: NARTE questions



Good People 

I have downloaded the Product Safety Certification Application package from
NARTE. 

Is this a certification that hiring managers recognize? Is it anticipated that
managers and/or hiring speacilists will come to recognized this certification
as significant?

Also, is there any relationship between NARTE and the IECEE? 

Thanks much for advice and opinion. 

R/S, 
Brian O'Connell 
Taiyo Yuden (USA), Inc 



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RE: India Compliance

[Collins, Jeffrey]

Rich,
 
You will definitely run into some nuances when deploying your products into
India. While on the surface it may appear the regulations are straight
forward, however when actually communicating with the authorities you will
begin to uncover the bureaucracy and will be at a distinct disadvantage.
The value of employing an agent will allow efficient communicate with the
certification body, test lab and your customer to facilitate the process,
define the testing scope, and cut through the bureaucracy. You need to find an
experienced agent that has a background in both cultures, speaks their
language and can provide solid engineering judgment.

We were able to maneuver through this maze much faster and cheaper than our
east coast division by hiring a consultant named Jay Gandhi of EMT. In my
opinion he is the best choice for India and a few other countries.

Here is his contact info: Jay Gandhi (650) 965-4000 'jg...@aol.com'

Regards,

Jeffrey Collins 

Sr. HW Engineering Manager 

Corporate Compliance  Homologations

CIENA Corporation

5965 Silver Creek Valley Rd. 

San Jose, CA. 95138

(408) 571-3002, Fax (408) 965-2705

jcoll...@ciena.com

http://www.ciena.com

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Stone, Richard [mailto:rst...@xl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:19 AM
To: Georgerian, Richard; EMC PSTC
Subject: India Compliance


hello group,
2 questions in one day,
does this fulfill my allowance?
 
What are the India reuqirements for:
EMC-EMI
Safety
Telecom
Other?
 
do they reference other standards such 
as UL, EN and FCC type requirements...
 
thank you for taking a few minutes on this..
Richard,
 

Richard A. Stone 
Excel Switching Corporation 
Compliance 
75 Perseverance Way 
Hyannis, MA. 02601 
508 862 3311 ph. 
508 862 3020 fax 
rst...@xl.com 

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From: Georgerian, Richard [mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:06 AM
To: 'EMC PSTC'
Subject: RE: NARTE questions


Greetings All,
 
Only time will tell if being a NARTE certified product safety engineer will
have an impact in the profession. I just got my certificate yesterday. In the
long run, I think it'll help, but we have to start somewhere. Hopefully,
having this type of program will start a process to which people expect a
certain level of knowledge on product safety. Something analogous to someone
having a bachelors, masters or Ph.D. There is a certain level of knowledge
that one expects when someone has these degrees. (It is only a general
statement and I am sure there are plenty of knowledgeable people who do not
have degrees, that a smarter than those who do.) 
 
Good luck to all those who apply.
 
Richard
=
Richard Georgerian
Compliance Engineer 
Carrier Access Corporation
5395 Pearl Parkway
Boulder, CO 80301
USA
Tele: 303-218-5748 Fax: 303-218-5503 mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com
 


From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:boconn...@t-yuden.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:58 PM
To: 'EMC PSTC'
Subject: NARTE questions



Good People 

I have downloaded the Product Safety Certification Application package from
NARTE. 

Is this a certification that hiring managers recognize? Is it anticipated that
managers and/or hiring speacilists will come to recognized this certification
as significant?

Also, is there any relationship between NARTE and the IECEE? 

Thanks much for advice and opinion. 

R/S, 
Brian O'Connell 
Taiyo Yuden (USA), Inc 



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RE: India Compliance

[Tyra, John]

I asked someone in India, the organization name escapes me, about cert
requirements for Audio products about a year ago and was told there were no
mandatory cert requirements for Safety or EMC...As Doug mentioned the
individual directed me to the BIS website for a list of regulated products
 
 http://www.bis.org.in/   

From: Doug Massey [mailto:dmas...@acstestlab.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:26 PM
To: 'Stone, Richard'; 'EMC PSTC'
Subject: RE: India Compliance



Hi Richard-

 

To my knowledge, India has no compulsory requirements for EMI/EMC or product
safety for information technology gear.

 

India is a member of the CB Scheme. htt
://www.cbscheme.org/cbscheme/NCB/IN-BIS.htm A certification mark from the BIS
should be available, if desired, by submitting a CB report and certificate to
BIS; however, there are some pretty steep fees involved.

 

There are certain electrical products that require compliance to Indian
standards, and certification and marking by the BIS. Check the list at
http://www.bis.org.in/cert/man.htm. Mostly household appliances and electrical
stuff.

 

In my experience, a product that carries other regulatory compliance marks,
such as FCC, CE, UL, etc., is acceptable in India. If you've done your work
for North America and the EU, you should be fine for India.

 

Not sure about RF products and telco infrastructure gear.

 

You may want to contact the Government of India, Telecommunication Engineering
Center. Type approval for some types of equipment is required.
http://wwwdel.vsnl.net.in/tec/

 

Hope this helped.

 

Doug Massey

Product Safety Engineer

Advanced Compliance Solutions

Ph. (770) 831-8048

FAX (770) 831-8598

Visit our web home at http://www.acstestlab.com http://www.acstestlab.com/ 

 


From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Stone, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 1:19 PM
To: Georgerian, Richard; EMC PSTC
Subject: India Compliance

 

hello group,

2 questions in one day,

does this fulfill my allowance?

 

What are the India reuqirements for:

EMC-EMI

Safety

Telecom

Other?

 

do they reference other standards such 

as UL, EN and FCC type requirements...

 

thank you for taking a few minutes on this..

Richard,

 

Richard A. Stone 
Excel Switching Corporation 
Compliance 
75 Perseverance Way 
Hyannis, MA. 02601 
508 862 3311 ph. 
508 862 3020 fax 
rst...@xl.com 

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From: Georgerian, Richard [mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:06 AM
To: 'EMC PSTC'
Subject: RE: NARTE questions

Greetings All,

 

Only time will tell if being a NARTE certified product safety engineer will
have an impact in the profession. I just got my certificate yesterday. In the
long run, I think it'll help, but we have to start somewhere. Hopefully,
having this type of program will start a process to which people expect a
certain level of knowledge on product safety. Something analogous to someone
having a bachelors, masters or Ph.D. There is a certain level of knowledge
that one expects when someone has these degrees. (It is only a general
statement and I am sure there are plenty of knowledgeable people who do not
have degrees, that a smarter than those who do.) 

 

Good luck to all those who apply.

 

Richard

=

Richard Georgerian

Compliance Engineer 

Carrier Access Corporation

5395 Pearl Parkway

Boulder, CO 80301

USA

Tele: 303-218-5748 Fax: 303-218-5503 mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com

 


From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:boconn...@t-yuden.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:58 PM
To: 'EMC PSTC'
Subject: NARTE questions

Good People 

I have downloaded the Product Safety Certification Application package from
NARTE. 

Is this a certification that hiring managers recognize? Is it anticipated that
managers and/or hiring speacilists will come to recognized this certification
as significant?

Also, is there any relationship between NARTE and the IECEE? 

Thanks much for advice and opinion. 

R/S, 
Brian O'Connell 
Taiyo Yuden (USA), Inc 



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Re: India Compliance

[Fred Borda]

Hi Richard,

To Joe Randolph's reply I could add a few comments:

For telecom equipment there are no separate EMC or safety approvals 
required. However, in the course of applying for telecom approval, the 
telecom regulator, TEC, may wish to see your CB report and/or EMC reports 
as part of the overall application package.

Telecom requirements will depend on the equipment and which approval 
standard your application is made against. The choice of standard to submit 
against can be a difficult one, but we've had pretty good luck with sorting 
out the many standards. Unfortunately, TEC's web site doesn't list all 
approval standards or current versions in some cases. For example, some of 
the newer standards that apply to IP and packet switched voice equipment 
are missing, I think.

As for the basis for the standards, some key elements are referenced to 
ITU-T standards. Others are specific to India's network. Analog interfaces 
are more likely to be India-specific, while digital interfaces are more 
likely to be based heavily on international standards of one kind or another.

In addition to a complex administrative process, all approvals require 
in-country testing in which TEC engineers will rely heavily on support you 
provide or arrange.

I hope this helps.

-Fred Borda
Compliance International



At PM 01:19 10/28/03 -0500, Stone, Richard wrote:
hello group,
2 questions in one day,
does this fulfill my allowance?

What are the India reuqirements for:
EMC-EMI
Safety
Telecom
Other?

do they reference other standards such
as UL, EN and FCC type requirements...

thank you for taking a few minutes on this..
Richard,


Richard A. Stone
Excel Switching Corporation
Compliance
75 Perseverance Way
Hyannis, MA. 02601
508 862 3311 ph.
508 862 3020 fax
rst...@xl.com

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-Original Message-
From: Georgerian, Richard [mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:06 AM
To: 'EMC PSTC'
Subject: RE: NARTE questions

Greetings All,

Only time will tell if being a NARTE certified product safety engineer 
will have an impact in the profession. I just got my certificate 
yesterday. In the long run, I think it'll help, but we have to start 
somewhere. Hopefully, having this type of program will start a process to 
which people expect a certain level of knowledge on product safety. 
Something analogous to someone having a bachelors, masters or Ph.D. There 
is a certain level of knowledge that one expects when someone has these 
degrees. (It is only a general statement and I am sure there are plenty of 
knowledgeable people who do not have degrees, that a smarter than those 
who do.)

Good luck to all those who apply.

Richard
=
Richard Georgerian
Compliance Engineer
Carrier Access Corporation
5395 Pearl Parkway
Boulder, CO 80301
USA
Tele: 303-218-5748 Fax: 303-218-5503 mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com

-Original Message-
From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:boconn...@t-yuden.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:58 PM
To: 'EMC PSTC'
Subject: NARTE questions

Good People

I have downloaded the Product Safety Certification Application package 
from NARTE.

Is this a certification that hiring managers recognize? Is it anticipated 
that managers and/or hiring speacilists will come to recognized this 
certification as significant?
Also, is there any relationship between NARTE and the IECEE?

Thanks much for advice and opinion.

R/S,
Brian O'Connell
Taiyo Yuden (USA), Inc



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The experts in telecommunications equipment type approval
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RE: India Compliance

[Doug Massey]

Hi Richard-

 

To my knowledge, India has no compulsory requirements for EMI/EMC or product
safety for information technology gear.

 

India is a member of the CB Scheme. htt
://www.cbscheme.org/cbscheme/NCB/IN-BIS.htm A certification mark from the BIS
should be available, if desired, by submitting a CB report and certificate to
BIS; however, there are some pretty steep fees involved.

 

There are certain electrical products that require compliance to Indian
standards, and certification and marking by the BIS. Check the list at
http://www.bis.org.in/cert/man.htm. Mostly household appliances and electrical
stuff.

 

In my experience, a product that carries other regulatory compliance marks,
such as FCC, CE, UL, etc., is acceptable in India. If you’ve done your work
for North America and the EU, you should be fine for India.

 

Not sure about RF products and telco infrastructure gear.

 

You may want to contact the Government of India, Telecommunication Engineering
Center. Type approval for some types of equipment is required.
http://wwwdel.vsnl.net.in/tec/

 

Hope this helped.

 

Doug Massey

Product Safety Engineer

Advanced Compliance Solutions

Ph. (770) 831-8048

FAX (770) 831-8598

Visit our web home at http://www.acstestlab.com http://www.acstestlab.com/ 

 


From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Stone, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 1:19 PM
To: Georgerian, Richard; EMC PSTC
Subject: India Compliance

 

hello group,

2 questions in one day,

does this fulfill my allowance?

 

What are the India reuqirements for:

EMC-EMI

Safety

Telecom

Other?

 

do they reference other standards such 

as UL, EN and FCC type requirements...

 

thank you for taking a few minutes on this..

Richard,

 

Richard A. Stone 
Excel Switching Corporation 
Compliance 
75 Perseverance Way 
Hyannis, MA. 02601 
508 862 3311 ph. 
508 862 3020 fax 
rst...@xl.com 

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From: Georgerian, Richard [mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:06 AM
To: 'EMC PSTC'
Subject: RE: NARTE questions

Greetings All,

 

Only time will tell if being a NARTE certified product safety engineer will
have an impact in the profession. I just got my certificate yesterday. In the
long run, I think it'll help, but we have to start somewhere. Hopefully,
having this type of program will start a process to which people expect a
certain level of knowledge on product safety. Something analogous to someone
having a bachelors, masters or Ph.D. There is a certain level of knowledge
that one expects when someone has these degrees. (It is only a general
statement and I am sure there are plenty of knowledgeable people who do not
have degrees, that a smarter than those who do.) 

 

Good luck to all those who apply.

 

Richard

=

Richard Georgerian

Compliance Engineer 

Carrier Access Corporation

5395 Pearl Parkway

Boulder, CO 80301

USA

Tele: 303-218-5748 Fax: 303-218-5503 mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com

 


From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:boconn...@t-yuden.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:58 PM
To: 'EMC PSTC'
Subject: NARTE questions

Good People 

I have downloaded the Product Safety Certification Application package from
NARTE. 

Is this a certification that hiring managers recognize? Is it anticipated that
managers and/or hiring speacilists will come to recognized this certification
as significant?

Also, is there any relationship between NARTE and the IECEE? 

Thanks much for advice and opinion. 

R/S, 
Brian O'Connell 
Taiyo Yuden (USA), Inc 



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RE: India Compliance

[Joseph Randolph]

In a message dated 10-28-2003, Richard Stone writes:
 
 What are the India reuqirements for:
 EMC-EMI
 Safety
 Telecom
 Other?
 
 do they reference other standards such 
 as UL, EN and FCC type requirements...
 
 
Hi Richard:
 
India tends to have their own requirements, as opposed to officially accepting
test reports showing compliance with standards from other countries.  However,
their safety and EMC requirements are based on IEC 60950 and CISPR standards,
so the actual requirements are familiar.  For the telecom requirements, India
pretty much writes their own standards, with occasional reference to ITU
recommendations.
 
I have found the regulatory framework in India to be rather complex.  They
tend to write product specifications rather than interface specifications, so
sometimes it is difficult to match your product to one of the existing product
specs.  However, there are also some interface specifications thrown into the
mix.  Often it seems that you have everything ready to go and then another
spec pops up that you were unaware of.
 
A further complication is that there are three different types of approval
certificate, each with its own scope.
 
In summary, there should be no surprises for safety or EMC as long as you are
complying with international standards such as those for Europe, but you will
have to file specific paperwork showing compliance with India's versions of
these requirements.  For telecom, the hardest part is determining what
requirements apply to your specific product.  Once you have those
specifications in hand, you may find that there are a few specifications that
are difficult to meet.  In general, the requirements tend to be fairly
thorough and at times, a bit outdated.
 
FYI, you can find a listing of the various standards at India's Department of
Telecommunications web site, http://delhi.vsnl.net.in/tec/.
 
 
 
Joe Randolph
Telecom Design Consultant
Randolph Telecom, Inc.
781-721-2848 (USA)
j...@randolph-telecom.com
http://www.randolph-telecom.com http://www.randolph-telecom.com/ 

India Compliance

[Stone, Richard]

hello group,
2 questions in one day,
does this fulfill my allowance?
 
What are the India reuqirements for:
EMC-EMI
Safety
Telecom
Other?
 
do they reference other standards such 
as UL, EN and FCC type requirements...
 
thank you for taking a few minutes on this..
Richard,
 

Richard A. Stone 
Excel Switching Corporation 
Compliance 
75 Perseverance Way 
Hyannis, MA. 02601 
508 862 3311 ph. 
508 862 3020 fax 
rst...@xl.com 

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From: Georgerian, Richard [mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:06 AM
To: 'EMC PSTC'
Subject: RE: NARTE questions


Greetings All,
 
Only time will tell if being a NARTE certified product safety engineer will
have an impact in the profession. I just got my certificate yesterday. In the
long run, I think it'll help, but we have to start somewhere. Hopefully,
having this type of program will start a process to which people expect a
certain level of knowledge on product safety. Something analogous to someone
having a bachelors, masters or Ph.D. There is a certain level of knowledge
that one expects when someone has these degrees. (It is only a general
statement and I am sure there are plenty of knowledgeable people who do not
have degrees, that a smarter than those who do.) 
 
Good luck to all those who apply.
 
Richard
=
Richard Georgerian
Compliance Engineer 
Carrier Access Corporation
5395 Pearl Parkway
Boulder, CO 80301
USA
Tele: 303-218-5748 Fax: 303-218-5503 mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com
 


From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:boconn...@t-yuden.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:58 PM
To: 'EMC PSTC'
Subject: NARTE questions



Good People 

I have downloaded the Product Safety Certification Application package from
NARTE. 

Is this a certification that hiring managers recognize? Is it anticipated that
managers and/or hiring speacilists will come to recognized this certification
as significant?

Also, is there any relationship between NARTE and the IECEE? 

Thanks much for advice and opinion. 

R/S, 
Brian O'Connell 
Taiyo Yuden (USA), Inc 



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Apporval of WLAN 802.11 in India

[Andre, Pierre-Marie]

Hi all,

We have been informed that India will now request in country tests for WLAN
802.11 products.But the decision is not taken yet,

As of today the requirements is unclear….

Before we have been able to get approval of such products without in country
tests by just submitting technical file with 

Appropriate tests reports.

Anybody could confirm this information ?

Pierre-Marie Andre
Senior Approval Engineer
Tel : +33 (0) 4 93 00 14 13   Fax : +33 (0) 4 93 00 14 01
 

RE: Bluetooth in Israel, Brazil, Argentina and India

[Roger Magnuson]

Kim/David,

I can confirm that only the reduced 2.418 to 2.457 GHz band is available in
Israel for SRD devices complying with EN 300 328 and EN 300 440. Maximum
EIRP is 100 mW.

Contact me offline for info about the other countries.

Best Regards,
Roger Magnuson
Managing Director
TGC Communication AB
Industrivagen 5, 171 48 Solna
SWEDEN
TEL: +46 856250053 (direct)
FAX: +46 856250055
mobile: +46 707770594
mailto:ro...@tgc.se
internet: http://www.tgc.se


-Original Message-
From: treg-appro...@world.std.com [mailto:treg-appro...@world.std.com]On
Behalf Of Novarex Enterprises Ltd.
Sent: den 25 november 2002 15:36
To: Kim Boll Jensen; EMC-PSTC; treg
Subject: RE: Bluetooth in Israel, Brazil, Argentina and India


Dear Kim,

I do not work with Bluetooth myself, but I have just spoken with a colleague
on your behalf. To my surprise, he states that Bluetooth has not yet been
approved for use in Israel due to a clash with frequencies used by the
military. However, the Ministry of Communications is working on this
together with the army, so that Bluetooth can be used in this country. My
colleague also states that many Bluetooth applications are already being
used unofficially in Israel.

You might be able to access first-hand information regarding dates and
tentative requirements documents by applying directly to the Israeli
Ministry of Communications.

If I can be of further help, please do not hesitate to ask.

Best regards,

David Drori

Novarex Enterprises Ltd.,
PO Box 45178,
Room 204, 2nd Floor, Park Center,
Hamarpe 1,
Har Hotsvim Industrial Area,
Jerusalem 91450,
Israel.
Tel: +972 2 540 0168
Fax: +972 2 540 0169
GSM Cellular: +972 54 828011
E-mail: da...@novarex.com

-Original Message-
From: treg-appro...@world.std.com [mailto:treg-appro...@world.std.com]On
Behalf Of Kim Boll Jensen
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:51 PM
To: EMC-PSTC; treg
Subject: Bluetooth in Israel, Brazil, Argentina and India

Hi all

Sorry to bring this matter up again.
I have now a list of 21 countries requirements for BlueTooth products
national type approvals, and still need 4 more which I can't find. Can
some one help with national requirements for SRD and BlueTooth for;

Israel
Brazil
Argentina
India

Thank you very much.

Best regards,

Kim Boll Jensen
Bolls Raadgivning
Denmark