[FairfieldLife] Chirac and his 'tude (was Re: uk aims for paradise)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to French newspaper Libération, Mr Chirac thought he was off-microphone when he delivered his forthright assessment of Britain's food IMO, Britain's reputation for bad food is well deserved. The only truly excellent food I ever had in London was Indian food and a meal at the very upscale Connaught Hotel. Whereas, in France, outstanding cuisine can be had at the most modest of restaurants. *** Some theorize that spicing is adaptive in warmer climates, so since France is warmer than England, they would naturally have blander food in England: It's actually not an issue of spices; the French use very few heavy spices in their cooking (unless it's an ethnic style of cooking such as Moroccan or Indian). The issue seems to be more of a comparison between bland as in tasteless and interesting as in tasty. And nutritious. And varied. I think the bottom line is that the French do not look at eating as something you do in between activities to fuel up for the next activity. Eating is an activity in itself, one to be lingered over, savored, and enjoyed. At least the common modern English dining experience isn't like that; it's more like wham-bam- thank-you-ma'am and then back to important things. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Siddhis course starting soon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Can you say missing the point? You take Jessica Alba, by most standards a *very* attractive woman, and you cast her as the Invisible Woman. Hollywood! Ah, but when she's not invisible, she'll be wearing skin-tight blue spandex... I say Sin City, my vote for best movie I've seen in about the last three years. Big Me, too from the Paris bleachers. But then, I am a confirmed Robert Rodriguez freak, and onscreen violence doesn't bother me at all. You have to admit it might be a bit of a stretch for many people to see that flick as a tale of nobility and sacrifice. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Perennial Child Syndrome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds pretty much like the typical Bushite Republican. I must admit I didn't read the whole piece, just sorta skimmed it, but I was taken by how much of a *rant* it was. Truly relentless; the guy (I assume) just never lets *up* on this category of people he doesn't like. My first impression (and I probably will go back and try to read through the whole thing) is that the author had a fairly nasty breakup with his wife/girlfriend/ boyfriend and wrote this as payback. It's too consistently negative and emotional to be much of anything else, whatever other insights it might contain. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Siddhis course starting soon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe if you binged on such movies you'd be enlightened in 007 or 008 years. Funny. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Siddhis course starting soon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lurkernomore wrote: - I say Sin City, my vote for best movie I've seen in about the last three years. You're the guy whose soma flows at action movies. I was at a mall one night, had some time to kill, and thought I'd drop in and see it. I thought it was perfect - casting, story lines, everything? Did you see it? Jessica Alba was beautiful as Nancy Callahan. It was an absolute tour de force, but not to everybody's taste. The titular Sin City is a dark place, full of violence, danger and tawdry sex. But it's also got its share of nobility and ethics, in a weird sorta way. The tour de force part is in the casting (by Rodriguez and Miller), the performances (directed by Miller), and the technological cutting-edge nature of the filmmaking. There were no sets. The entire film was shot in green screen, with all of the backgrounds added later. And you can't tell the difference. Rodriguez is an inter- esting filmmaker, one of my absolute favorites. And yeah, lurk...little Nancy Callahan certainly grew up. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Siddhis course starting soon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...can't agree with you more. Sin City blew me away with its creativity, innovation and story lines...and, yes, the acting and make-up, too! Particularly Mickey Rourke who never ceases to impress me with his roles...he's one of the most underrecognized actors around. I can't wait for the DVD to come out with all the extras that I hope a movie of this caliber can/should have. I just picked up the DVD for Sky Captain: World of Tomorrow and sat fascinated as I watched all the extras contained on the DVD. I live for that stuff... When they shot the film, there was no script. They worked directly from the graphic novels as written by Frank Miller. Miller directed much of the char- acterization, Rodriguez set up a lot of the action. They shot the three separate stories start-to-finish, as one story, and then had to cut out parts to weave them all together into one film. Rodriguez has already said that the DVD will contain a second disk with each of the three stories told in sequence, with the missing material restored. Can't wait. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chirac and his 'tude (was Re: uk aims for paradise)
No doubt French food is better than traditional English. But now food available in England is no longer restricted to the traditional. London is the gourmet capital of the world - because all kinds of INTERNATIONAL food is available - and in every area of the city. Indian curries are now by far more popular than fish chips as take aways. By contrast when you go to Rome or Paris you enjoy the delights of local food but there is little alternative. Moreover try going to France with vegetarian children and see how alien to French cuisine vegetarianism is - hardly anything that is common place for vegetarians in the UK is available in France, even in supermarkets. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to French newspaper Libération, Mr Chirac thought he was off-microphone when he delivered his forthright assessment of Britain's food IMO, Britain's reputation for bad food is well deserved. The only truly excellent food I ever had in London was Indian food and a meal at the very upscale Connaught Hotel. Whereas, in France, outstanding cuisine can be had at the most modest of restaurants. *** Some theorize that spicing is adaptive in warmer climates, so since France is warmer than England, they would naturally have blander food in England: It's actually not an issue of spices; the French use very few heavy spices in their cooking (unless it's an ethnic style of cooking such as Moroccan or Indian). The issue seems to be more of a comparison between bland as in tasteless and interesting as in tasty. And nutritious. And varied. I think the bottom line is that the French do not look at eating as something you do in between activities to fuel up for the next activity. Eating is an activity in itself, one to be lingered over, savored, and enjoyed. At least the common modern English dining experience isn't like that; it's more like wham-bam- thank-you-ma'am and then back to important things. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chirac and his 'tude (was Re: uk aims for paradise)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO, Britain's reputation for bad food is well deserved. The only truly excellent food I ever had in London was Indian food and a meal at the very upscale Connaught Hotel. Whereas, in France, outstanding cuisine can be had at the most modest of restaurants. Alex Eh, fish and chips from the wagon on a cold winter day is tasty, but otherwise I agree. I'm wondering when you went to England if these are the only places you visited - a bit like some Americans on an international course a few years ago who asked do they have orange juice in Europe? or another who would only visit Macdonalds as they travelled round Europe as they were so afraid of different foods. England leads the way in organic food and restaurants, and is immensely creative in assimilating international food as well as coming back to their own style (just watch people like Rick Stein). Travelling round England is a delight in the food offered - if you bother to actually do this, and don't just end up in the above places. And for fish and chips - just try wonderful places along the Suffolk coast. From comparing France and England, I would say England leads the way now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chirac and his 'tude (was Re: uk aims for paradise)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No doubt French food is better than traditional English. But now food available in England is no longer restricted to the traditional. London is the gourmet capital of the world - because all kinds of INTERNATIONAL food is available - and in every area of the city. Indian curries are now by far more popular than fish chips as take aways. By contrast when you go to Rome or Paris you enjoy the delights of local food but there is little alternative. Haven't been to Rome in a while, but that's certainly not true of Paris any more. You can hardly walk down any block without encountering three or four ethnic restaurants. Moreover try going to France with vegetarian children and see how alien to French cuisine vegetarianism is - hardly anything that is common place for vegetarians in the UK is available in France, even in supermarkets. In terms of restaurants, I would tend to agree with you; the French aren't vegetarians, on the whole, and don't always cope well with vegetarians when preparing food for them. This works for me because I am no longer a vegetarian, but I can see how it might pose a problem for those who are. In terms of the markets, however, I might disagree with you. What is probably missing here are the *prepared* vegetarian foods one gets used to in England. But the vegetables themselves are abun- dant and almost certainly fresher than what I've found in English markets, and there are numerous health food stores for specialty items. It's an old back-and-forth, this thing about English vs. French cooking. On the whole, I prefer French. But the real difference IMO is the *relationship* that the two peoples have with eating. For the Eng- lish, on the whole, eating is just something you do to fuel the body and then get on to more important things. For the French, eating IS one of the important things. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chirac and his 'tude (was Re: uk aims for paradise)
Back to my original point, it would seem that Chirac *does*, in fact, plan to take his petty troubles at home (everyone here knows that the recent vote rejecting the EU Constitution was really a rejection of Chirac) out on others, and derail the G8 talks. What a putz! And he's getting just the reaction he probably hoped for when he made his silly food remarks in public: Chirac denounced as 'racist creep' by British press LONDON, July 5 (AFP) - British newspapers on Tuesday condemned French President Jacques Chirac as a nasty, petty racist creep and someone who has lost his marbles amid reports he scoffed at British food. Chirac reportedly said British cuisine was the worst in the world after Finland's and joked the only thing they have done for European agriculture is 'mad cow' at a French-German-Russian summit Sunday in Russia. The Daily Telegraph ran an editorial under the headline: 'Tut, tut, Mr Chirac.' Jacques Chirac, the embattled president of France, seems to have gone a little off his rocker, it said. Chirac's reported comments, which French officials have not denied, come at a time when he is embroiled in a battle with Britain over the European Union budget and is troubled at home over the rejection of the EU constitution. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here is something from Shvetashvatara Upanishad IV.6:
Two birds of beautiful plumage, comrades Inseparable, live on the
self same tree. One bird eats the fruit of pleasure and pain; The
other looks on without eating.
FWIW, originally that's from Rgveda I 164 (asya-vaamasya-suukta,
Rco akSare; prolly one of the coolest suuktas in RV), verse 20:
dvaa suparNaa sayujaa sakhaayaa samaanaM vRkSham pari Shasvajaate |
tayor anyaH pippalaM svaadv atty anashnann anyo abhi caakashiiti
|| EN{1}{164}{20}
Literally, 'pippalaM svaadv atti' means something like
'eats the sweet fruit of the sacred fig-tree'
It seems that awareness is necessary for thoughts to happen but
thoughts are not necessary for awareness to happen. Awareness
without thinking is still awareness of something, only there are no
thoughts. Can't really think about it but I'm sure we have all
experienced it.
Rick Carlstrom
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
off_world_beings wrote:
Can anyone advise me on what to do when
I am arguing with myself?
Patrick Gillam wrote:
Eckhart Tolle ... was consumed
by the thought that he couldn't stand himself (or a
sentiment to that effect), which prompted a follow-up
thought: if I cannot stand myself, it suggests there's a
part of me that's observing that disagreeableness.
authfriend wrote:
Wait. The silent aspect of his awareness
was observing his behavior, but was it also
making the judgment that his behavior was
disagreeable?
Hmmm. I see what you mean, Judy. How's this:
The Witness can discern whether thoughts are green
or grey, pleasant or boorish. Discernment is different
from judging.
I've never been clear how the Witness can
discern, or discriminate, or differentiate.
That seems like a mental function to me.
I thought the Witness just *be's*.
The key point is, a witness exists.
Not having the book here, I can't quote it. But here's a
related thought, from Amazon's peek into _The Power of Now_:
The beginning of freedom is the realization that
you are not the possessing entity -- the thinker.
Knowing this enables you to observe the entity.
The moment you start *watching the thinker*
[emphasis his], a higher level of consciousness
becomes activated.
Mmmm...I'm still confused.
An aside: the non-judgmentalism of the witnesser may explain
why
purportedly
enlightened people can be assholes. They have no motivation to
change because their
relative personalities, jerks though they may be, are fine to
the
non-judgmental Self.
Well, but their relative personalities might
engage in self-criticism just as anyone's does.
As I unpack this notion, I suppose it's wishful thinking to
ascribe
Off World's internal
arguments to the dynamic Tolle describes. What about it, Off
World?
Is your mental dialog
nascent awakening, or schizophrenia?
Can it only be either? Most people have mental
dialogs like this at times. Seems to me Tolle
bounced off a very common experience to come to
his realization. What's unsual is what he got
out of the experience, not the experience itself,
no?
- Patrick Gillam
P.S. You just have to believe Rumi had some eloquent poem about
how
each of us is two
people, the thinking mind and the silent witness who takes it
all
in. Can anybody here cite
such a verse?
No, but here's a famous passage from St. Paul that
hints at the same dichotomy, albeit expressed as a
magnificently messy tangle:
For that which I do, I allow not: for what I would, that do I
not;
but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not,
I
consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I
that
do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that
is,
in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with
me;
but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good
that I
would, I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now
if
I
do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that
dwelleth in me.
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present
with
me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I
see
another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind,
and
bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of
this
death?
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind
I
myself serve the law of God; but with the
[FairfieldLife] Chirac and his 'tude (was Re: uk aims for paradise)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back to my original point, it would seem that Chirac *does*, in fact, plan to take his petty troubles at home (everyone here knows that the recent vote rejecting the EU Constitution was really a rejection of Chirac) out on others, and derail the G8 talks. What a putz! And he's getting just the reaction he probably hoped for when he made his silly food remarks in public: Chirac denounced as 'racist creep' by British press LONDON, July 5 (AFP) - British newspapers on Tuesday condemned French President Jacques Chirac as a nasty, petty racist creep and someone who has lost his marbles amid reports he scoffed at British food. Chirac reportedly said British cuisine was the worst in the world after Finland's Mämmi (Easter delicacy): http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A4mmi Mustamakkara (black sausage): http://www.kyamk.fi/~oh1topa/main.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that awareness is necessary for thoughts to happen but thoughts are not necessary for awareness to happen. Awareness without thinking is still awareness of something, only there are no thoughts. Can't really think about it but I'm sure we have all experienced it. Rick Carlstrom A few years ago I had a long lasting experience of just witnessing without any discernible thoughts as I had used to have. As this state had lasted for may be 3-4 hours, while I had been all the time doing my normal daily chores at home, I felt a suggestion to come from deep inside to go to cycling in the city to see if the state lasts. I went for a 15-20 minutes ride and it lasted. Later I have analysed this experience and come to the following conclusion: Thoughts by words following each other in time actually were not there, but another form of more effective thinking that happens not by words and sentences. We all have this kind of thinking, but we observe only the grosser level thinking by words. I think this way also animals think or make sense of the world, although with the human brain capacity this kind of thinking can be much more cognitively advanced. I think all my deeper insights and ideas have come this way. Also in my work in engineering. But if you want to share these ideas with others I must find words to describe them. This is usually the much more difficult part. Insights usually appear spontaneously in a blink of an eye. The laborious part is to find expressions in words, if I want to share my insights. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is something from Shvetashvatara Upanishad IV.6: Two birds of beautiful plumage, comrades Inseparable, live on the self same tree. One bird eats the fruit of pleasure and pain; The other looks on without eating. It seems that awareness is necessary for thoughts to happen but thoughts are not necessary for awareness to happen. Awareness without thinking is still awareness of something, only there are no thoughts. Can't really think about it but I'm sure we have all experienced it. I almost never get involved in theoretical discussions of enlightenment, and won't this time either, except to note that it would seem that the description of full enlightenment would have more to do with the two birds becoming one and dropping the petty distinctions between actor and witness than it would with one of them being an actor and one being a witness. Life in full enlightenment would seem to me to be about fully enjoying both the fruit of pleasure and the pain, in the knowledge that neither is separate from Self, and that both are *just* as much Self as is the silent witness. Any state in which there is still a witness separate from one's thoughts and actions would seem to me to be merely a step along the way, not the end point of the journey. In other words, still ignorance, just of a different sort. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An aside: the non-judgmentalism of the witnesser may explain why purportedly enlightened people can be assholes. They have no motivation to change because their relative personalities, jerks though they may be, are fine to the non-judgmental Self. *** I usually observe my actions in a non-judgemental way. I think this is the very ground for deep level transformation and learning. Accept yourself as you are. From that ground effective development starts. But this acceptance does not mean that you don't see that things could be done in smarter and more considerate ways. Just observing in an accepting way how you function, and also how things could get better done, leads quite spontaneously to small changes in your habitual ways. And small changes gradually accumulate to big changes. Since age 16 I have not tried to change myself or decided to leave a bad habit, but I have changed a lot to the better. There is something amiss in these purportedly enlightened people, who show declining behaviour. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Perennial Child Syndrome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds pretty much like the typical Bushite Republican. I must admit I didn't read the whole piece, just sorta skimmed it, but I was taken by how much of a *rant* it was. Truly relentless; the guy (I assume) just never lets *up* on this category of people he doesn't like. My first impression (and I probably will go back and try to read through the whole thing) is that the author had a fairly nasty breakup with his wife/girlfriend/ boyfriend and wrote this as payback. It's too consistently negative and emotional to be much of anything else, whatever other insights it might contain. Funny! Just after posting this, I went back to see if I could make it through the article and couldn't and so backed up one level on the url to the parent folder (http://www.dbs2000ad.com/narayan/). And so what are the first two articles in the list? * Why Sex Loses Passion After Marriage * Women, Biologically, Want a Cave Man I'm gonna stick with my first impression. This was written by a guy who got dumped by his wife for another guy and is still pissed off about it. :-) Either that, or because the whole set of person- ality types that this excerpt was part of is titled Abnormal Personality Types from Child Abuse, the guy was abused himself as a kid and still hasn't gotten past it. Or both. Categorization is one thing, but inventing categories as an excuse to rant about them seems to me to be quite another. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chirac and his 'tude (was Re: uk aims for paradise)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back to my original point, it would seem that Chirac *does*, in fact, plan to take his petty troubles at home (everyone here knows that the recent vote rejecting the EU Constitution was really a rejection of Chirac) out on others, and derail the G8 talks. What a putz! And he's getting just the reaction he probably hoped for when he made his silly food remarks in public: Chirac denounced as 'racist creep' by British press LONDON, July 5 (AFP) - British newspapers on Tuesday condemned French President Jacques Chirac as a nasty, petty racist creep and someone who has lost his marbles amid reports he scoffed at British food. Chirac reportedly said British cuisine was the worst in the world after Finland's Mämmi (Easter delicacy): http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A4mmi Mustamakkara (black sausage): http://www.kyamk.fi/~oh1topa/main.htm I find Mämmi (sweetened rye) to be quite delicious with milk. Black sausage I have once tasted long ago and didn't like it. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Not everyone is happy about the comet mission :-)
Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission Tue Jul 5, 3:37 PM ET MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet raised more than cosmic dust it also brought a lawsuit from a Russian astrologer. Marina Bai has sued the U.S. space agency, claiming the Deep Impact probe that punched a crater into the comet Tempel 1 late Sunday ruins the natural balance of forces in the universe, the newspaper Izvestia reported Tuesday. A Moscow court has postponed hearings on the case until late July, the paper said. Scientists say the crash did not significantly alter the comet's orbit around the sun and said the experiment does not pose any danger to Earth. The probe's comet crash sent up a cloud of debris that scientists hope to examine to learn how the solar system was formed. Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million the approximate equivalent of the mission's cost for her moral sufferings, Izvestia said, citing her lawyer Alexander Molokhov. She earlier told the paper that the experiment would deform her horoscope. NASA representatives in Russia and at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., could not be reached for comment on the case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It seems that awareness is necessary for thoughts to happen but thoughts are not necessary for awareness to happen. Well said. And even the ego or sense of self or I is a thought. snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: Can anyone advise me on what to do when I am arguing with myself? Patrick Gillam wrote: Eckhart Tolle ... was consumed by the thought that he couldn't stand himself (or a sentiment to that effect), which prompted a follow-up thought: if I cannot stand myself, it suggests there's a part of me that's observing that disagreeableness. authfriend wrote: Wait. The silent aspect of his awareness was observing his behavior, but was it also making the judgment that his behavior was disagreeable? Hmmm. I see what you mean, Judy. How's this: The Witness can discern whether thoughts are green or grey, pleasant or boorish. Discernment is different from judging. I've never been clear how the Witness can discern, or discriminate, or differentiate. That seems like a mental function to me. I thought the Witness just *be's*. The key point is, a witness exists. Not having the book here, I can't quote it. But here's a related thought, from Amazon's peek into _The Power of Now_: The beginning of freedom is the realization that you are not the possessing entity -- the thinker. Knowing this enables you to observe the entity. The moment you start *watching the thinker* [emphasis his], a higher level of consciousness becomes activated. Mmmm...I'm still confused. An aside: the non-judgmentalism of the witnesser may explain why purportedly enlightened people can be assholes. They have no motivation to change because their relative personalities, jerks though they may be, are fine to the non-judgmental Self. Well, but their relative personalities might engage in self-criticism just as anyone's does. As I unpack this notion, I suppose it's wishful thinking to ascribe Off World's internal arguments to the dynamic Tolle describes. What about it, Off World? Is your mental dialog nascent awakening, or schizophrenia? Can it only be either? Most people have mental dialogs like this at times. Seems to me Tolle bounced off a very common experience to come to his realization. What's unsual is what he got out of the experience, not the experience itself, no? - Patrick Gillam P.S. You just have to believe Rumi had some eloquent poem about how each of us is two people, the thinking mind and the silent witness who takes it all in. Can anybody here cite such a verse? No, but here's a famous passage from St. Paul that hints at the same dichotomy, albeit expressed as a magnificently messy tangle: For that which I do, I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would, I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. --Romans 7:15-24 (KJV) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] === message truncated === Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It seems that awareness is necessary for thoughts to happen but thoughts are not necessary for awareness to happen. Well said. And even the ego or sense of self or I is a thought. *** But still there is a subject, who is aware of something. I call this subject I. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 2012 Olympics to be held in Hell :-)
London wins 2012 Olympics Wednesday, July 6, 2005; Posted: 7:55 a.m. EDT (11:55 GMT) (CNN) -- London will host the 2012 Summer Games, members of the International Olympic Committee have decided. IOC president Jacques Rogge made the announcement after IOC members eliminated Paris, Madrid, New York and Moscow in four rounds of voting Wednesday. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chirac and his 'tude (was Re: uk aims for paradise)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chirac reportedly said British cuisine was the worst in the world after Finland's Mämmi (Easter delicacy): http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A4mmi http://www.dlc.fi/~marianna/gourmet/mammi.htm Sounds tasty, albeit, a bit odd. Mustamakkara (black sausage): http://www.kyamk.fi/~oh1topa/main.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustamakkara Um... I think I'll skip that one. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 Olympics to be held in Hell :-)
London wins 2012 Olympics Wednesday, July 6, 2005; Posted: 7:55 a.m. EDT (11:55 GMT) (CNN) -- London will host the 2012 Summer Games, members of the International Olympic Committee have decided. IOC president Jacques Rogge made the announcement after IOC members eliminated Paris, Madrid, New York and Moscow in four rounds of voting Wednesday. Maharishi announced today, in a world-wide internet broadcast, that he is withdrawing his meditation movement, from Great Britain, being disappointed in the re-election of Tony Blair, saying he is not going to continue to support Britain's destructive policies, and give 'Nectar to the Dragon.' Maharishi will move the advanced meditators from Britain, to 'two, three, or four countries' [one of which was France], other countries, in the coming weeks, and will show the proven effects of meditation, to produce coherence in society, increased quality of life, creativity and peace. He said to notice the effect in Britain, of increasing chaos in the collective consciousness, as the meditators are withdrawn from that country. ~Live Internet Broadcast~ Wednesday, May 18th. @ 11:30am.EDT Hmm. I just bought a lottery ticket; do you think I could get Maharishi to declare a fatwa and withdraw his support from me? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chronicling FF life, the lady saints arrive '05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lady saints arrive, chronicling FFL: Every year now these are some of the best weeks to be in Fairfield, while the lady saints are arriving. Karunnamayi arrived last night in Fairfield for a visit of several days. Last night she sat with people who had gathered to welcome her in a home and then the group migrated over to the Temple on W. Burlington Street that a number of Fairfield meditators maintain for their worship. Karunnamayi again sat with people there. Tonight (Monday) Karunnamayi has a public meeting with people down at Roberts Memorial Hall just north of Keosauqua. These are the special months to be here in Fairfield. The annual visits of the lady saints has started again now. Both Ammachi on her national tour and Karunnamayi on her national tour also come to Fairfield. Both like Fairfield especially for the unique large community of old long-time meditators doing a long sadhana here. Each lady saint carries her own `field effect' of darshan to give freely on their national tours according to their own character. However, coming to Fairfield they evidently both like to pool the good powerful field effect that can be had with the large group of our long time practicing meditator community here. They do get invited here to Fairfield by the meditating community. To bring the Lady saints here there is a lot of concerted committee work that goes on in the meditating community to sponsoring them here. Each of these saints are great teachers with large spiritual gifts to consul in their ways. They have been very formative for the meditation practices of a lot of Fairfield meditators especially here in the last years of the TMO and MMY. Tuesday morning Karunnamayi sits with people individually for blessings also down at Roberts Memorial Hall. Weds. She presides over a fire homa ceremony held up by Vedic City. Like with Ammachi's visits these meetings are always powerful with Shakti and Atman Vidya to be a part of. The meetings are also great fun to go to and see who all comes out of the FF wood work here and see who all is still here in the meditating community. JGD, -D Ammachi arrived in Fairfield last night (5 July 2005) Again a large work by meditatiing community committees to facilitate one of the famous lady-saints for a visit to Fairfield. The Fairfield Ledger printed a front page article about Ammachi a few days ago.. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=14786051BRD=1139PAG=461dept_id=142642rfi=6 id=14786051BRD=1139PAG=461dept_id=142642rfi=6 An Indian holy woman who has become known as the Hugging Saint will return to southeast Iowa next week for the fourth year in a row. Mata Amritanandamayi, whose followers simply call her Amma -- an Indian word meaning mother -- will visit the campus of Iowa Wesleyan College in Mount Pleasant Wednesday and Thursday. Her annual visits are organized by a group of admirers from Fairfield who say they have been inspired by her message of selfless, unconditional love. Amma, 51, was raised in a small village on the southwest coast of India. Her nickname, the Hugging Saint, comes from her practice of greeting visitors with an embrace, holding them in her arms while speaking soothing words in their ears. When she hugs you, she offers complete love, unconditional love to you, said Mark Petrick of Fairfield, one of the people involved in planning Amma's visit. There's no holding back. It's completely unconditional. Amma first visited the United States in 1987, and now tours the country every summer. Although she gives speeches at each stop, most of her time is devoted to hugging the people who come to meet her. Amma has been known to sit in one place for hours, hugging person after person without stopping to rest. She always looks at you and acts as if you're her favorite person in the whole world, said Bob Hoerlein of Fairfield, who first saw Amma during a visit to Chicago in the 1980s. Hoerlein also traveled to India in 2003 for Amma's 50th birthday, and noticed that although a crowd of about 2 million people had gathered for the event, I never felt any hostility. For a complete story, read the June 30 Fairfield Ledger. -D To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Thoughts by words following each other in time actually were not there, but another form of more effective thinking that happens not by words and sentences. We all have this kind of thinking, but we observe only the grosser level thinking by words. I suspect what one is aware of may vary among individuals. I know people who insist that all thinking is in words, presumably because that's what they're aware of in their own thinking, and others who insist that much of their thinking is not in words. Or perhaps some people *do* think almost exclusively in words. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with intelligence or insightfulness; I've known some exceptionally smart, profound thinkers who believe they think entirely in words. I don't think in words unless there is some intention to communicate what I'm thinking, whether in reality or fantasy. But I've known this since I was a child--it was never a function of the witnessing experience. It's a bit odd, because I'm so verbally oriented and don't have any artistic-type talents. (Also, my nonverbal thinking isn't at all visual--I have tremendous difficulty visualizing. All the various spiritual and healing exercises that involve visualizing light or whatever are utterly useless to me. They seem to take for granted that anybody can visualize.) I sometimes wonder whether people who experience effort during TM are those who think primarily in words, and who are so used to hearing words in their minds that they don't recognize they're thinking the mantra unless they can hear it like a word. I think this way also animals think or make sense of the world, although with the human brain capacity this kind of thinking can be much more cognitively advanced. I think all my deeper insights and ideas have come this way. Also in my work in engineering. But if you want to share these ideas with others I must find words todescribe them. This is usually the much more difficult part. Insights usually appear spontaneously in a blink of an eye. The laborious part is to find expressions in words, if I want to share my insights. Yup. On the other hand, I find that sometimes an initially nonverbal idea becomes clearer and more useful if I put it in words, if I use verbal communication mode to express the idea to myself, as it were. Other times, though, it loses something in the translation! All this probably has something to do with name and form: nonverbal thinking is perhaps closer to the form end, verbal thinking to the name end of the continuum. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The bid for the 'autograph' of MMY
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[FairfieldLife] Chirac and his 'tude (was Re: uk aims for paradise)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chirac reportedly said British cuisine was the worst in the world after Finland's Mämmi (Easter delicacy): http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A4mmi http://www.dlc.fi/~marianna/gourmet/mammi.htm Sounds tasty, albeit, a bit odd. Mustamakkara (black sausage): http://www.kyamk.fi/~oh1topa/main.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustamakkara LOL! Um... I think I'll skip that one. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'autograph' of MMY on Ebay
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[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
"Rick" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Wed, 06 Jul 2005 02:12:36 - [FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who "wins?" Here is something from Shvetashvatara Upanishad IV.6: "Two birds of beautiful plumage, comrades Inseparable, live on the self same tree. One bird eats the fruit of pleasure and pain; The other looks on without eating." It seems that awareness is necessary for thoughts to happen but thoughts are not necessary for awareness to happen. Awareness without thinking is still awareness of something, only there are no thoughts. Can't really think about it but I'm sure we have all experienced it. Rick Carlstrom authfriend" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:03:06 - [FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who "wins?" Yup. On the other hand, I find that sometimes an initially nonverbal idea becomes clearer andmore useful if I put it in words, if I use verbalcommunication mode to express the idea to myself,as it were. Other times, though, it losessomething in the translation! All this probably has something to do with nameand form: nonverbal thinking is perhaps closerto the "form" end, verbal thinking to the "name"end of the continuum. Hari Om,Dr. V.S.RAMACHANDRAN.,Md.,Phd the author of the book 'Phantoms in theBrain' gives an interesting example to differentiate between the mind and intellect. "A dog which is watching a tree, is aware of the tree, but it is not aware that it is aware of the tree."!! A man who is watching a tree is aware of the tree and is also aware that he is aware of the tree. Intellect is awareness of the awareness. Vedanta states that mind is emotional and full of emotions, but it is the intellect that Judges and is judgemental. http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/bios/ramachandran.html Jason -- Sell on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not everyone is happy about the comet mission :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marina Bai has sued the U.S. space agency, claiming the Deep Impact probe that punched a crater into the comet Tempel 1 late Sunday ruins the natural balance of forces in the universe, the newspaper Izvestia reported Tuesday. A Moscow court has postponed hearings on the case until late July, the paper said. She must have been devastated after Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 slammed into Jupiter. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not everyone is happy about the comet mission :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marina Bai has sued the U.S. space agency, claiming the Deep Impact probe that punched a crater into the comet Tempel 1 late Sunday ruins the natural balance of forces in the universe, the newspaper Izvestia reported Tuesday. A Moscow court has postponed hearings on the case until late July, the paper said. She must have been devastated after Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 slammed into Jupiter. That's what caused Gulf War I, doncha know? Messed up all her predictions of peace in the area... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re. Chirac must eat his haggis - Yippee!!!
The effect in Britain, of increasing chaos in the collective consciousness, as the meditators are withdrawn from that country, was never felt so strongly as it was today. Today Britain reeled under the news that its bid to host the 2012 Olympic Games had been successful, and that all possibilties of creating coherence between itself and France were rapidly receding. Jacques Chirac, a loser, when asked to comment, said,Uf fufer uf uf fuf orf fuf. Mr. Chirac, President of France was struggling to swallow mouthfuls of a huge haggis provided by the British Olympic contingent Reuters. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think in words unless there is some intention to communicate what I'm thinking, whether in reality or fantasy. But I've known this since I was a child--it was never a function of the witnessing experience. It's a bit odd, because I'm so verbally oriented and don't have any artistic-type talents. (Also, my nonverbal thinking isn't at all visual--I have tremendous difficulty visualizing. All the various spiritual and healing exercises that involve visualizing light or whatever are utterly useless to me. They seem to take for granted that anybody can visualize.) Irmeli:Irmeli: I also find visualization difficult, quite useless for me.However on some however visualizing light in the heart area has helped me to connect to suppressed heavy emotions. I'm not even verbally oriented. Writing has been awkward and difficult for me. Yup. On the other hand, I find that sometimes an initially nonverbal idea becomes clearer and more useful if I put it in words, if I use verbal communication mode to express the idea to myself, as it were. Other times, though, it loses something in the translation! Irmeli: I have lately observed this too. This may be one of the reasons I have started to enjoy writing in spite of the difficulty to find words. On the other hand I quite fast forget what I have found words to and written. My mind apparently wants to remain empty. Somehow the insights that come through nonverbal thinking get more readily imprinted in the deep, long lasting memory. If I read something that contradicts those insights, I often perceive first just an emotional discord. Intellectually I don't immediately know why. I have to let my attention rest on the topic for a while to get clear ideas why I disagree. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
On Jul 6, 2005, at 8:44 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Yogis talk about the desirability of awareness with no thoughts, but the experience struck me as imbalanced, perhaps because I intended to think but could not. Well *some yogis* consider this desirable, others less so. It's said among some schools of yogis that becoming an expert in the thought-free calm state can lead to reincarnation in a formless realm. This raises an interesting possibility: is non-ideation an object of meditation? My feeling is it can be. In some schools of meditation, once the calm state is achieved, recognized and made stable, we move on to integrating thought with calm and then eventually simply experiencing thoughts and movement as non-dual. The nice thing about the latter is that if you can be spacious enough to experience thoughts and calm as one whole, those thoughts which arise dissipate and occur less and less. If they do occur, they need not linger. This is extremely relaxing to experience and helpful at the same time. The mind becomes much more flexible. In order to do this though, we have to dissolve even the idea and process of *meditating*. Who meditates? Hmmm. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chirac and his 'tude (was Re: uk aims for paradise)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Black sausage I have once tasted long ago and didn't like it. Irmeli It wasn't meant to be eaten. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that awareness is necessary for thoughts to happen but thoughts are not necessary for awareness to happen. Awareness without thinking is still awareness of something, only there are no thoughts. Can't really think about it but I'm sure we have all experienced it. Rick Carlstrom A few years ago I had a long lasting experience of just witnessing without any discernible thoughts as I had used to have. As this state had lasted for may be 3-4 hours, while I had been all the time doing my normal daily chores at home, I felt a suggestion to come from deep inside to go to cycling in the city to see if the state lasts. I went for a 15-20 minutes ride and it lasted. Later I have analysed this experience and come to the following conclusion: Thoughts by words following each other in time actually were not there, but another form of more effective thinking that happens not by words and sentences. We all have this kind of thinking, but we observe only the grosser level thinking by words. I think this way also animals think or make sense of the world, although with the human brain capacity this kind of thinking can be much more cognitively advanced. I think all my deeper insights and ideas have come this way. Also in my work in engineering. But if you want to share these ideas with others I must find words to describe them. This is usually the much more difficult part. Insights usually appear spontaneously in a blink of an eye. The laborious part is to find expressions in words, if I want to share my insights. Irmeli Very nicely said Irmeli. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Perennial Child Syndrome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds pretty much like the typical Bushite Republican. I must admit I didn't read the whole piece, just sorta skimmed it, but I was taken by how much of a *rant* it was. Truly relentless; the guy (I assume) just never lets *up* on this category of people he doesn't like. My first impression (and I probably will go back and try to read through the whole thing) is that the author had a fairly nasty breakup with his wife/girlfriend/ boyfriend and wrote this as payback. It's too consistently negative and emotional to be much of anything else, whatever other insights it might contain. Unc Yeah, I agree. And after skimming and then deleting the piece I am left to wonder, who would get to know such people so intimately as to write this prolonged analysis of them? Some things are better left alone. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not everyone is happy about the comet mission :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission Tue Jul 5, 3:37 PM ET MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet Tempel 1,raised more than cosmic dust that scientists hope to examine to learn how the solar system was formed. Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million the approximate equivalent of the mission's cost for her moral sufferings... ...Gordon Bennet. I wonder what she would sue for if you backed into her car in a car park. And what about the Tempellians? It might be construed as an act of war. I heard that there is a cooperation pact between them and the Klingons. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not everyone is happy about the comet mission :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission Tue Jul 5, 3:37 PM ET MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet Tempel 1,raised more than cosmic dust that scientists hope to examine to learn how the solar system was formed. Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million the approximate equivalent of the mission's cost for her moral sufferings... ...Gordon Bennet. I wonder what she would sue for if you backed into her car in a car park. And what about the Tempellians? It might be construed as an act of war. I heard that there is a cooperation pact between them and the Klingons. Klingons, schmingons...just hope they haven't been assimilated by the Borg. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yup. On the other hand, I find that sometimes an initially nonverbal idea becomes clearer and more useful if I put it in words, if I use verbal communication mode to express the idea to myself, as it were. Other times, though, it loses something in the translation! Irmeli: I have lately observed this too. This may be one of the reasons I have started to enjoy writing in spite of the difficulty to find words. Just for the record, I would never have known you experienced difficulty in writing if you hadn't just said so, especially from your posts in this thread. They've been very clear and articulate. You're doing something right! On the other hand I quite fast forget what I have found words to and written. My mind apparently wants to remain empty. I'm afraid that isn't the case with me... Somehow the insights that come through nonverbal thinking get more readily imprinted in the deep, long lasting memory. If I read something that contradicts those insights, I often perceive first just an emotional discord. Intellectually I don't immediately know why. I have to let my attention rest on the topic for a while to get clear ideas why I disagree. Me too. And sometimes I can't formulate my disagreement no matter *how* long I let my attention rest on the topic. More often, even if I've identified the reasons for my disagreement, I can't figure out how to express it clearly in words; it just doesn't seem to want to lay itself out in a straight line. Now, if I could only *visualize*, maybe I could diagram it! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not everyone is happy about the comet mission :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Astrologer Sues NASA Over Comet Mission Tue Jul 5, 3:37 PM ET MOSCOW - NASA's mission that sent a space probe smashing into a comet Tempel 1,raised more than cosmic dust that scientists hope to examine to learn how the solar system was formed. Bai is seeking damages totaling $300 million the approximate equivalent of the mission's cost for her moral sufferings... ...Gordon Bennet. I wonder what she would sue for if you backed into her car in a car park. And what about the Tempellians? It might be construed as an act of war. I heard that there is a cooperation pact between them and the Klingons. Keith Olbermann on MSNBC last night wondered why she wasn't able to look at her charts and figure out ahead of time that the comet was going to be blasted. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are the TM related topics?
Vaj wrote: On Jul 4, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Do you think there is going to be any demand? It's not like people are busting down doors to learn TM. Maybe they should have had a two for one 4th of July sale. :) Maybe give away a free iPod with each initiation? Locally the TMO ran a small ad on about the 3rd or 4th page of the S.F. Chronicle a week or so ago which still had to cost a bit. It seems people are going to other venues, esp. as the west have wised up to what's available. All the summer courses for Vipassana/Goenka on the east coast either have filled or have waiting lists. A friend who wanted to do the 10 day intro course had to go to Quebec and get on a waiting list for any hope of getting in. Still she may have to wait for another time if she's not willing to be on the 48 hour notice list. They still seem to be going for the brand names though. One-on-one seems to be the venues for those who are more advanced in their experience. The brand names are perhaps a stepping stone. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Non-ideation and the calm state (was Re: On Arguing)
Vaj wrote: is non-ideation an object of meditation? My feeling is it can be. What's non-ideation? No mantra, no thought? In some schools of meditation, once the calm state is achieved, recognized and made stable, we move on to integrating thought with calm and then eventually simply experiencing thoughts and movement as non-dual. In some schools? I thought the description above applied to everything we talk abut here. those thoughts which arise dissipate and occur less and less. If they do occur, they need not linger. Reminds me of what Maharishi talked about in the old days -- instead of having 100 thoughts, most of them flippant, one may have 10 really worthwhile thoughts. And even those are like lines in air. They don't bind the mind. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-ideation and the calm state (was Re: On Arguing)
On Jul 6, 2005, at 12:57 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Vaj wrote: is non-ideation an object of meditation? My feeling is it can be. What's non-ideation? No mantra, no thought? Attentional stability with vividness, no laxity and pure mindfulness might be a description to use. In general terms it is just a calm state meditation, like TM, Shamatha, etc. In some schools of meditation, once the calm state is achieved, recognized and made stable, we move on to integrating thought with calm and then eventually simply experiencing thoughts and movement as non-dual. In some schools? I thought the description above applied to everything we talk abut here. IMO, no. Many forms of meditation deal with just the first method and state described: the calm state, the transcendent, etc. I guess one might say the TMSP begins to work at integration of thought and emptiness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Non-ideation and the calm state (was Re: On Arguing)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 6, 2005, at 12:57 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Vaj wrote: snip In some schools of meditation, once the calm state is achieved, recognized and made stable, we move on to integrating thought with calm and then eventually simply experiencing thoughts and movement as non-dual. In some schools? I thought the description above applied to everything we talk abut here. IMO, no. Many forms of meditation deal with just the first method and state described: the calm state, the transcendent, etc. I guess one might say the TMSP begins to work at integration of thought and emptiness. I think what Vaj is saying is that some forms of meditation try to achieve this integration during meditation itself. With TM, the integration is said to take place *outside* meditation, spontaneously, as a result of meditation. What one experiences *during* meditation doesn't really matter. We don't meditate for the sake of meditation but rather for the effects of meditation in activity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-ideation and the calm state (was Re: On Arguing)
On Jul 6, 2005, at 1:54 PM, authfriend wrote: I think what Vaj is saying is that some forms of meditation try to achieve this integration during meditation itself. No actually this is not what I am saying. I am commenting on the mechanisms of differing styles/levels of meditation. With TM, the integration is said to take place *outside* meditation, spontaneously, as a result of meditation. What one experiences *during* meditation doesn't really matter. We don't meditate for the sake of meditation but rather for the effects of meditation in activity. So the word transcendental in Transcendental Mediation is just there for show ;-)? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Think Pieces
x-tad-biggerThink Pieces /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger To harness the energy of the mind, you must learn to see beyond the content of your thoughts to their very substance./x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger By Sally Kempton/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Many years ago, when I was new to meditation, I asked an Indian swami how to handle the swarm of negative thoughts that crowded my mind. The swami's answer, delivered with an eye roll and a knowing giggle, discouraged me profoundly. In the end, he said, there's nothing to do but sit quietly and watch your mind./x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger In one sense, of course, he was right. But I couldn't take his advice. In those days, my mind was so unruly that all I could do was cling to a mantra and pray for relief. In fact, I don't know what I would have done to get some space inside my mind if my guru, Swami Muktananda, had not given a lecture one day on the true nature of thought./x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger The teaching came from the Shaiva Tantras, a group of sophisticated and relatively modern yogic texts that appeared in Northern India around the ninth century and remained relatively secret until about 50 years ago. The concept is simple: Everything that appears in your mind is made of consciousness, or, if you like, mind energy. Your thoughts and feelings--the difficult, negative, passionate ones as well as the peaceful and clever ones--are all made of the same subtle, invisible, highly dynamic stuff. Mind energy is so evanescent that it can dissolve in a moment, yet so powerful that it can create an inner reality that runs you for a lifetime. The secret revealed by the Tantric sages is that if you can recognize thoughts for what they are--if you can see that they are nothing but mind energy--they will stop troubling you./x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Now on one level, this conclusion is obvious. Yet the fact is that most of us never pay attention to the substance of our thoughts. We are much too caught up in their content, which we implicitly believe is important and real. In fact, thought content is simply the passing form that thought energy happens to be taking at any given moment. There's an energetic dance going on inside everyone's mind, but rather than seeing the dance itself, we get caught up in its story line./x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger The Tantras invite us instead to turn our gaze around and investigate the energetic material inside a thought. To do this, we need to take our attention away from the content of the thought, to stop following where it leads, and instead look into the energy that the thought is made of, the actual substance of the thought itself./x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Charged Thoughts/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger You might want to try this now. Close your eyes and observe the thoughts going through your mind. Thoughts get shy when you stare at them, so your stream of consciousness might suddenly come to a halt at this point. If that happens, you will need to create a thought. For now, let it be a sweet thought: a beach, say, or the name of someone you like./x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Hold the thought for a few seconds. Now, focus on the thought's substance. Notice the energetic space the thought creates inside your mind. If you like, you can formally label the thought energy or thought stuff--just the way if you were practicing mindfulness meditation, you might label it thinking./x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger The next step in this process is to investigate the underlying energy, the feeling space created by the thought. Every single thought or particle of thought has its own energetic signature; the energy in thoughts is what gives them their power. The meaning of words in our mind is what engages us, but what causes thoughts to change our inner state is actually the energy inside those thoughts./x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Some thoughts are relatively neutral; others are actually helpful. Any meditator knows that if you keep saying peace to yourself, you'll eventually experience a loosening of your inner tension, a settling into yourself. Other thoughts, however, carry intense agitation--which may feel exciting or painful or depressing, depending on whether the thoughts trigger desire or anger or grief./x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Neutral thoughts are easy to deal with in meditation. They are the ones that respond best to the classic directive to let thoughts go or allow them to float by. The charged thoughts, however, are stickier. They are the ones that obstruct us. Certain thoughts are so intensely charged that in some cases, they take us right out of meditation. In every meditation class I've taught, somebody will confess to avoiding the practice because
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
Comments interleaved below. Stein: I've never been clear how the Witness can discern, or discriminate, or differentiate. That seems like a mental function to me. I thought the Witness just *be's*. Gillam: Initially, yeah, which is why we don't notice it. But with all this meditating and sidhis-doing, the mind cultivates the ability to entertain activity along with the silence. Stein: Yeah, but that's activity *along with* the silence, not activity *of* the silence, at least in terms of TM's CC. And activity along with silence is fine. Here's my take, couched in TM language: When the mind is infused with Being, as Maharishi used to say, it functions as an extension of Being, or pure consciousness. It is Being made lively. Such a mind would be able to undertake the activity of discernment without judging. When does the mind judge? Keep reading. Stein: I mean, when you get into Ramana-type self- inquiry, that can be something bigger, but garden-variety identification and judgment of feelings and behavior--Why am I such a disagreeable bastard?, as with Tolle--isn't anything special (except in the sense that it's *all* special, which is what he apparently realized). What intrigues me about Tolle's realization is something along these lines: Part of me recognizes another part of me as being a disagreeable bastard. But if I were entirely a disagreeable bastard, there would be no contrast, and I wouldn't see myself as such. A disagreeable bastard sees another disagreeable bastard as just an ordinary person, with no identifying marks. Because consciousness is at its source healthy and life-supporting, it provides a ground on which to discern that which is not so. Now, what's the source of the disagreeable bastard part of the mind? It's what motivated this thread at the start: the ego needs to prop itself up by generating thoughts about itself: I'm better than others, I'm a victim of others, I'm right, I'm a loser, I'm a disagreeable bastard, I'm a nice guy. What's important is not the quality ascribed to me, but the I-ness -- the illusion that I exist. The ego is illusory, created by the mind, and the mind is its tool. So it's like in the three days' checking notes: thought has two sources. One is this stress I'm calling the ego, and the other is the impulse toward growth. Stein: Most people have mental dialogs like this at times. Seems to me Tolle bounced off a very common experience to come to his realization. What's unsual is what he got out of the experience, not the experience itself, no? I'm not putting down Tolle's realization, just for the record. The story didn't do anything for me, but I'm guessing you got a little whiff already, right? I'm trying to comprehend this dual nature of the mind, one part driven by the ego and the other by consciousness itself. I'm thinking Tolle's experience, for all its mundanity, hints at something profound for all of us, which is this: the mere fact that I can reflect upon my failings suggests I'm perceiving them from a standpoint that's blameless. Stein: here's a famous passage from St. Paul that hints at the same dichotomy (That particular quote is not what I'd call an example of the glory in Paul's thoughts, except maybe insofar as he was willing to show his messed-up side for the sake of others who might think they were alone in their own struggles. From that perspective, it's pretty poignant.) Perhaps perceiving the poignancy is to perceive the glory. - Patrick Gillam P.S. This notion that the qualities of consciousness color perception explains why the decades go by so fast. We perceive time in our awareness, but awareness is timeless, so anything perceived against a ground of eternity will seem puny. 1 over googoplex is effectively zero, for you numerate types. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chirac must eat his haggis - Yippee!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sramanist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005310148,00.html Yum. :-) Honestly, I've been intuitively feeling this decision coming, largely because of Chirac and *his* intuition. He seems to anticipate any upcoming defeat by getting angry and petulant and throwing tantrums in the week or so *before* the political defeat actually happens. It's like he starts angrily scraping the shit off of himself and flinging it at others before it's even had a chance to hit the fan yet. Let us just hope that he doesn't take his frustration out in the G8 talks and allow millions of people in Africa to starve just because he's pissed off. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Non-ideation and the calm state (was Re: On Arguing)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 6, 2005, at 1:54 PM, authfriend wrote: I think what Vaj is saying is that some forms of meditation try to achieve this integration during meditation itself. No actually this is not what I am saying. I am commenting on the mechanisms of differing styles/levels of meditation. Yes, that's what I was saying you were doing. With TM, the integration is said to take place *outside* meditation, spontaneously, as a result of meditation. What one experiences *during* meditation doesn't really matter. We don't meditate for the sake of meditation but rather for the effects of meditation in activity. So the word transcendental in Transcendental Mediation is just there for show ;-)? What an odd thing to ask. Where would you get that idea? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Think Pieces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Think Pieces To harness the energy of the mind, you must learn to see beyond the content of your thoughts to their very substance. By Sally Kempton Many years ago, when I was new to meditation, I asked an Indian swami how to handle the swarm of negative thoughts that crowded my mind. The swami's answer, delivered with an eye roll and a knowing giggle, discouraged me profoundly. In the end, he said, there's nothing to do but sit quietly and watch your mind. snip Thanks Vaj- great article. I watch my blank mind, yet haven't formally 'traveled' inside my thoughts until I read this. Like many techniques, this process of seeing thoughts as energy has occurred to me naturally, but there has been some doubt on how to proceed with examining thoughts until I read this. It has been a curious transformation to enjoy the blankness of my mind. One very cool result has been that rather than run thoughts around in my mind like a hamster on a wheel, I save up the latent energy of my mind until I need it, like just now answering an important phone call. Then each thought expressed as speech comes from a deeper more creative place. Much easier to be here, now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chirac must eat his haggis as chaos increases in UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sramanist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005310148,00.html Increasing chaos in the collective consciousness of the (dis)United Kingdom as the meditators are withdrawn from that country has resulted in a disasterous scenario with long lasting consequences as (Great) Britain romps home with the winning bid to host the 2012 Olympics. Mr. Chirac,(a loser),was asked to comment but his reply was made inaudible because of the copious ammounts of haggis being forced into his mouth by members of the British team. Reuters To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chirac must eat his haggis as chaos increases in UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, chandashari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sramanist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005310148,00.html Increasing chaos in the collective consciousness of the (dis)United Kingdom as the meditators are withdrawn from that country has resulted in a disasterous scenario with long lasting consequences as (Great) Britain romps home with the winning bid to host the 2012 Olympics. Mr. Chirac,(a loser),was asked to comment but his reply was made inaudible because of the copious ammounts of haggis being forced into his mouth by members of the British team. Reuters Chandashari: You have quoted from Reuters, Chandashari. What is the link to that quotation? I put the word meditators into the search engine on their site and this is the result: http://tinyurl.com/czp7e If you were to have created text and attributed it to Reuters, then this is a serious offence. Kindly provide the link. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Iowa steamed over MUM student with measles
Today's Fairfield Ledger http://www.ffledger.com : A Maharishi University of Management student who returned from overseas with measles resulted in more than 2,500 hours of personnel time and about $142,000 in costs to the state's health system, according to the study published Tuesday in the July issue of Pediatrics. One of the study's authors, Dr. Gustavo Dayan, a medical epidemiologist for the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told The Associated Press the study shows the costs involved in containing a disease that could be prevented by a simple childhood vaccination. The study was funded by the CDC. In March 2004, six students who had not been vaccinated contracted measles on a trip to India. Although the Iowa Department of Public Health asked the students to stay in India until they were no longer contagious, one student flew back to Iowa during his infectious period. Two other people were subsequently infected. One of those people, a younger student, traveled with about 60 other children to an academic competition in Grinnell that included about 1,000 students. State and county health departments and hospitals worked for about two months to contain the disease. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
Well some yogis consider this desirable, others less so. It's said among some schools of yogis that becoming an expert in the thought-free calm state can lead to reincarnation in a formless realm. This raises an interesting possibility: is non-ideation an object of meditation? Delightful post Mr. Vaj! - Interesting to note the fascination with thinking that collects here. Approaching thought as though it were annoying clutter in an untidy room implies a rather small room. Volumes have been written about the relationship between thought and language; even more about language itself. These are profoundly deep, complex and unresolved issues. Poorly manufactured phrases such as non-dual and conceptual model do little more than reduce lifeÕs content and complexity to that of a childÕs letter to Santa. - To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Think Pieces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To harness the energy of the mind, you must learn to see beyond the content of your thoughts to their very substance. In Dianetics, you get to the source of the negative thoughts in your reactive mind (aggregate of ALL including past lives negative or heavy, overwhelming experiences). You handle the source of those kind of thoughts and they cease. Then your thoughts are more analytical and useful for activity. Seems a lot easier to me then this technique and more effective because instead of merely recognizing the misemotional thoughts, you prevent them from even coming up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa steamed over MUM student with measles
Bob Brigante posted: Today's Fairfield Ledger http://www.ffledger.com : one student flew back to Iowa during his infectious period. Two other people were subsequently infected. State and county health departments and hospitals worked for about two months to contain the disease. When I read these stories I never understand how the disease spreads, given that most people have been vaccinated. Do the inoculations not work? Are the infected people among others who have not been vaccinated? - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Think Pieces
Jeff Fischer wrote: You handle the source of those kind of thoughts and they cease. There's one central repository of dysfunctional thoughts? - PJG To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Trifala in Tablet Form
Planetary Formulas makes a tablet form. You might be able to find it a health food store and it is available online from a number of vendors. - Bhairitu scienceofabundance wrote: Does anyone know of a good supplier (US) for Trifala in tablet form (other than MAPI). Thanks To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trifala in Tablet Form
scienceofabundance wrote: Does anyone know of a good supplier (US) for Trifala in tablet form (other than MAPI). Thanks Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Planetary Formulas makes a tablet form. You might be able able to find it a health food store and it is available online from a number of vendors. - Bhairitu And the ubiquitous Google assists: http://tinyurl.com/axb2l scienceofabundance: Any update on Skelmersdale? Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It seems that awareness is necessary for thoughts to happen but thoughts are not necessary for awareness to happen. Well said. And even the ego or sense of self or I is a thought. *** But still there is a subject, who is aware of something. I call this subject I. Irmeli In waking state there is a confound between awareness and I. This I is actually the result of the projection/identification of consciousness with mind. When this projection/identification ceases it becomes quite clear that there is no subject or I. I is an artifact of identification. It is an extremely subtle thought. If examined (atma vichara) it melts away. There are thoughts, feelings, experiences, but no subject who has these experiences. The subject is not consciousness. The feeling of me in waking state is actually pure consciousness projected into mind. That's why it feel like you are something. But you are just pure awareness, independent of any boundary. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Think Pieces
On Jul 6, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Jeff Fischer wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To harness the energy of the mind, you must learn to see beyond the content of your thoughts to their very substance. In Dianetics, you get to the source of the negative thoughts in your reactive mind (aggregate of ALL including past lives negative or heavy, overwhelming experiences). You handle the source of those kind of thoughts and they cease. Then your thoughts are more analytical and useful for activity. Seems a lot easier to me then this technique and more effective because instead of merely recognizing the misemotional thoughts, you prevent them from even coming up. This is her method that she is teaching. I can't say I agree with everything she says, but I thought it was a good intro. to the experience of thoughts continually manifesting from our own primordial condition. There are some short cut yogas that can get rid of the 'bad stuff' fairly quickly--at least to the extent that you 'close the gates of the lower realms', that is you no longer take an inferior rebirth. I would be very skeptical that scientology can do what you are claiming. Although I am sure hypnotism and biofeedback techniques can get you to believe certain things or even 'move things around' so they aren't bugging you. If you are merely 'preventing it from coming up'--watch out when you enter the bardo in this lifetime or when it ends--as it will all be there, right in your face, ready for you to re-engage those patterns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Think Pieces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Fischer wrote: You handle the source of those kind of thoughts and they cease. There's one central repository of dysfunctional thoughts? - PJG In Dianetics we call it the reactive mind. The thoughts are generated by the mental image pictures you carry around. Just like how you can get pictures of a memory from the past. Except, we've all been recording these pictures for a very long time. As I believe we are all immortal spirits, I can't give you a better location for where the pictures are stored other than reactive mind. All I really know is I've tracked down chains of incidents far in to the past myself and with others and have seen negativity (dysfunctional thoughts)in certain pertinent areas reduce or cease. jeff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Paperback MMY
I am informed that copies of the biography 'The Maharishi: The Biography Of The Man Who Gave Transcendental Meditation To The West', the revised and re-published illustrated paperback, are now available from Evolution Publishing http://www.maharishibiography.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Think Pieces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be very skeptical that scientology can do what you are claiming. Although I am sure hypnotism and biofeedback techniques can get you to believe certain things or even 'move things around' so they aren't bugging you. If you are merely 'preventing it from coming up'--watch out when you enter the bardo in this lifetime or when it ends--as it will all be there, right in your face, ready for you to re-engage those patterns. Thanks for the warning. Neither Dianetics or Scientology use hypnotism or biofeedback. I've personally seen negative behavior cease. My best example is with my older son. He used to infuriate me to the point I would sometimes tell others He makes me so mad, I want to kill him! Well, I tracked down an incident where he had done in my family and I had killed him. The infuriation I experienced with him was the same as I had in that incident. This infuriation ceased from the time I ran that incident (2 years ago) and hasn't returned. I now have a good relationship with him. I'm thankful for this and have seen similar results for others. I'm not asking you to believe it but cool if it does indeed work, don't you think? Jeff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa steamed over MUM student with measles
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Brigante posted: Today's Fairfield Ledger http://www.ffledger.com : one student flew back to Iowa during his infectious period. Two other people were subsequently infected. State and county health departments and hospitals worked for about two months to contain the disease. When I read these stories I never understand how the disease spreads, given that most people have been vaccinated. Do the inoculations not work? Are the infected people among others who have not been vaccinated? - Patrick Gillam * Is measles still a problem in the United States? We still see measles among visitors to the U.S. and among U.S. travelers returning from other countries. The measles viruses these travelers bring into our country sometimes causes outbreaks. However, because most people in the U.S. have been vaccinated, these outbreaks are usually small. Measles vaccination in the U.S. has decreased the number of cases to the lowest point ever reported. Widespread use of the measles vaccine has led to a greater than 99% reduction in measles compared with the pre-vaccine era when approximately 450,000 cases and 450 deaths were reported each year. http://www.cdc.gov/nip/diseases/measles/faqs.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Midwest' Discovered Between East And West Coasts
http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4127n=3 We must remember that these people are not at all like us, Conde Nast publisher and Manhattan socialite Lucille Randolph Snowdon said. They are crude and provincial, bewildered by our tall buildings and our art galleries, our books and our coffee shops. For an L.A. resident to attempt to interact with one of them as he or she would with, say, a Bostonian is ludicrous. It appears unlikely that we will ever be able to conduct a genuine exchange of ideas with them about anything, save perhaps television or 'the big game.' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Is G-8 really the biggest economies?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1163018,curpg-1.cms To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Think Pieces
On Jul 6, 2005, at 7:23 PM, Jeff Fischer wrote: Thanks for the warning. Neither Dianetics or Scientology use hypnotism or biofeedback. Aren't you doing auditing using the e-meter? Is that not a primitive biofeedback device? I'm not asking you to believe it but cool if it does indeed work, don't you think? Well, it depends whether it ultimately relieves suffering. Are the results actual spiritual progress or merely learning to fool an e-meter? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An aside: the non-judgmentalism of the witnesser may explain why purportedly enlightened people can be assholes. They have no motivation to change because their relative personalities, jerks though they may be, are fine to the non-judgmental Self. Nice post. But *great* insight above. Thanks. Unc But is it valid from the TM perspective? Two interesting things I found: 1) dissociative states are often associated with asymetric functioning of the hemispheres of the brain; 2) at least one advanced buudhist meditation technique appears to bring about asymetric functioning of the hemispheres ofthe brain. What if: the witnessing state of TM is based on the balancing influence of transcendental conscioiusness, whereas at least one Buddhist technique induces exactly the opposite effect. Both effects are described the same way, but what if one is based on a balanced, relaxed functioning of the nervous system, and one is based on an imbalanced fucntioning? People who have permanent witnessing due tothe balanced functioning would have a more relaxed response to life, whereas the people with permanent witnessing due tothe asymetric functioning ala dissociative states would have a dysfunctional response to life. The descriptions are the same, but the response to life is totally different. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: Can anyone advise me on what to do when I am arguing with myself? Patrick Gillam wrote: Eckhart Tolle ... was consumed by the thought that he couldn't stand himself (or a sentiment to that effect), which prompted a follow-up thought: if I cannot stand myself, it suggests there's a part of me that's observing that disagreeableness. authfriend wrote: Wait. The silent aspect of his awareness was observing his behavior, but was it also making the judgment that his behavior was disagreeable? Hmmm. I see what you mean, Judy. How's this: The Witness can discern whether thoughts are green or grey, pleasant or boorish. Discernment is different from judging. I've never been clear how the Witness can discern, or discriminate, or differentiate. That seems like a mental function to me. I thought the Witness just *be's*. Never heard descrimination attributed to attributeless awareness either... The key point is, a witness exists. Not having the book here, I can't quote it. But here's a related thought, from Amazon's peek into _The Power of Now_: The beginning of freedom is the realization that you are not the possessing entity -- the thinker. Knowing this enables you to observe the entity. The moment you start *watching the thinker* [emphasis his], a higher level of consciousness becomes activated. Mmmm...I'm still confused. Sounds silly and potentially self-deceiving. One thing about the research on witnessing DURING TM: by the time the person was able to press the button to report transcending, their physiology had returned to normal. It's not something you can hold onto. Peope who claim otherwise, may well be using the asymetric functioning version of witnessing aka dissociative state. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chirac and his 'tude (was Re: uk aims for paradise)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eloigne24 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO, Britain's reputation for bad food is well deserved. The only truly excellent food I ever had in London was Indian food and a meal at the very upscale Connaught Hotel. Whereas, in France, outstanding cuisine can be had at the most modest of restaurants. Alex Eh, fish and chips from the wagon on a cold winter day is tasty, but otherwise I agree. I'm wondering when you went to England if these are the only places you visited - a bit like some Americans on an international course a few years ago who asked do they have orange juice in Europe? or another who would only visit Macdonalds as they travelled round Europe as they were so afraid of different foods. England leads the way in organic food and restaurants, and is immensely creative in assimilating international food as well as coming back to their own style (just watch people like Rick Stein). Travelling round England is a delight in the food offered - if you bother to actually do this, and don't just end up in the above places. And for fish and chips - just try wonderful places along the Suffolk coast. From comparing France and England, I would say England leads the way now. I was in England in the USAF from 1978 to 1983. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It seems that awareness is necessary for thoughts to happen but thoughts are not necessary for awareness to happen. Well said. And even the ego or sense of self or I is a thought. *** But still there is a subject, who is aware of something. I call this subject I. I'am ness, Is-ness, Being? There's a few more stages in there. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Irmeli Mattsson wrote: A few years ago I had a long lasting experience of just witnessing without any discernible thoughts My most profound and amusing expeience of awareness with no thoughts occurred on my TM teacher training course. After my rounds I had the intention to practice my puja, but I couldn't get any words to come to mind. I was mentally constipated. So I gave up and stared at the wall for a while. Yogis talk about the desirability of awareness with no thoughts, but the experience struck me as imbalanced, perhaps because I intended to think but could not. Perhaps a walk or more asanas might have been more appropriate? MMY always warned against just vegging out after meditating, IIRC. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chirac must eat his haggis as chaos increases in UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, chandashari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sramanist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005310148,00.html Increasing chaos in the collective consciousness of the (dis)United Kingdom as the meditators are withdrawn from that country has resulted in a disasterous scenario with long lasting consequences as (Great) Britain romps home with the winning bid to host the 2012 Olympics. Mr. Chirac,(a loser),was asked to comment but his reply was made inaudible because of the copious ammounts of haggis being forced into his mouth by members of the British team. Reuters I was in LA during the 84 games there, and I'm not so sure that getting the Olympics is good news for England. Other folks agree that the traffic and costs and massive security is a high price to pay: I raced to my computer (this morning) to see if God had smiled upon us today. And He had, writes The 6th Floor's Dan, a New Yorker who is overjoyed to avoid the mess the Olympics would have created. http://www.slate.com/id/2122148/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is something from Shvetashvatara Upanishad IV.6: Two birds of beautiful plumage, comrades Inseparable, live on the self same tree. One bird eats the fruit of pleasure and pain; The other looks on without eating. It seems that awareness is necessary for thoughts to happen but thoughts are not necessary for awareness to happen. Awareness without thinking is still awareness of something, only there are no thoughts. Can't really think about it but I'm sure we have all experienced it. I almost never get involved in theoretical discussions of enlightenment, and won't this time either, except to note that it would seem that the description of full enlightenment would have more to do with the two birds becoming one and dropping the petty distinctions between actor and witness than it would with one of them being an actor and one being a witness. Life in full enlightenment would seem to me to be about fully enjoying both the fruit of pleasure and the pain, in the knowledge that neither is separate from Self, and that both are *just* as much Self as is the silent witness. Any state in which there is still a witness separate from one's thoughts and actions would seem to me to be merely a step along the way, not the end point of the journey. In other words, still ignorance, just of a different sort. Unc Perhaps pain is also ignorance. RAC To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 6, 2005, at 8:44 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Yogis talk about the desirability of awareness with no thoughts, but the experience struck me as imbalanced, perhaps because I intended to think but could not. Well *some yogis* consider this desirable, others less so. It's said among some schools of yogis that becoming an expert in the thought- free calm state can lead to reincarnation in a formless realm. This raises an interesting possibility: is non-ideation an object of meditation? My feeling is it can be. In some schools of meditation, once the calm state is achieved, recognized and made stable, we move on to integrating thought with calm and then eventually simply experiencing thoughts and movement as non-dual. The nice thing about the latter is that if you can be spacious enough to experience thoughts and calm as one whole, those thoughts which arise dissipate and occur less and less. If they do occur, they need not linger. This is extremely relaxing to experience and helpful at the same time. The mind becomes much more flexible. In order to do this though, we have to dissolve even the idea and process of *meditating*. Who meditates? Hmmm. What process of meditation? someone who is enlgihtened, by MY understanding, would think the mantra (ifyou can call still call it thinking) once, and transcend for the entire meditation period. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 06 Jul 2005 02:12:36 - [FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins? Here is something from Shvetashvatara Upanishad IV.6: Two birds of beautiful plumage, comrades Inseparable, live on the self same tree. One bird eats the fruit of pleasure and pain; The other looks on without eating. It seems that awareness is necessary for thoughts to happen but thoughts are not necessary for awareness to happen. Awareness without thinking is still awareness of something, only there are no thoughts. Can't really think about it but I'm sure we have all experienced it. Rick Carlstrom authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:03:06 - [FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins? Yup. On the other hand, I find that sometimes an initially nonverbal idea becomes clearer andmore useful if I put it in words, if I use verbalcommunication mode to express the idea to myself,as it were. Other times, though, it losessomething in the translation! All this probably has something to do with name and form: nonverbal thinking is perhaps closer to the form end, verbal thinking to the name end of the continuum. Hari Om, Dr. V.S.RAMACHANDRAN.,Md.,Phd the author of the book 'Phantoms in the Brain' gives an interesting example to differentiate between the mind and intellect. A dog which is watching a tree, is aware of the tree, but it is not aware that it is aware of the tree.!! A man who is watching a tree is aware of the tree and is also aware that he is aware of the tree. Intellect is awareness of the awareness. Vedanta states that mind is emotional and full of emotions, but it is the intellect that Judges and is judgemental. http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/bios/ramachandran.html Jason I think that dogs and cats have reflective awareness to a point. The trick is, human have many *labels* (words/names) for things, and apparently dogs and cats have few, if any. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Non-ideation and the calm state (was Re: On Arguing)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 6, 2005, at 1:54 PM, authfriend wrote: I think what Vaj is saying is that some forms of meditation try to achieve this integration during meditation itself. No actually this is not what I am saying. I am commenting on the mechanisms of differing styles/levels of meditation. With TM, the integration is said to take place *outside* meditation, spontaneously, as a result of meditation. What one experiences *during* meditation doesn't really matter. We don't meditate for the sake of meditation but rather for the effects of meditation in activity. So the word transcendental in Transcendental Mediation is just there for show ;-)? In fact, yeah. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In waking state there is a confound between awareness and I. This I is actually the result of the projection/identification of consciousness with mind. When this projection/identification ceases it becomes quite clear that there is no subject or I. I is an artifact of identification. It is an extremely subtle thought. If examined (atma vichara) it melts away. There are thoughts, feelings, experiences, but no subject who has these experiences. The subject is not consciousness. The feeling of me in waking state is actually pure consciousness projected into mind. That's why it feel like you are something. But you are just pure awareness, independent of any boundary. I had such an unsatisfying experience of I yesterday, whining about something or other, and I just couldn't get myself to believe it. I could feel that the whole experience was just paper thin at best. Really amusing when the ego tries to insist upon something that obviously isn't there. Must've been a faint impression left over of past behavior. So I just changed my mind or let the thoughts drift away and solved the imbalance. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 Olympics to be held in Hell :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: London wins 2012 Olympics Wednesday, July 6, 2005; Posted: 7:55 a.m. EDT (11:55 GMT) (CNN) -- London will host the 2012 Summer Games, members of the International Olympic Committee have decided. IOC president Jacques Rogge made the announcement after IOC members eliminated Paris, Madrid, New York and Moscow in four rounds of voting Wednesday. Maharishi announced today, in a world-wide internet broadcast, that he is withdrawing his meditation movement, from Great Britain, being disappointed in the re-election Hmm. I just bought a lottery ticket; do you think I could get Maharishi to declare a fatwa and withdraw his support from me? :-) No chance. None at all. You've got to be a Britisher scorpion to collect the benefits. But if you want to become an honourary scorpion, then you will have to undergo an initiation rite which will make American Graffitti look like a walk in the park. Are you big enough, punk? Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
I had such an unsatisfying experience of I yesterday, whining about something or other, and I just couldn't get myself to believe it. I could feel that the whole experience was just paper thin at best. Really amusing when the ego tries to insist upon something that obviously isn't there. Must've been a faint impression left over of past behavior. So I just changed my mind or let the thoughts drift away and solved the imbalance. Priceless!! - my favorite scene from One Flew Over the CuckooÕs Nest. -- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Chirac and his 'tude (was Re: uk aims for paradise)
In a message dated 7/5/05 11:44:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . Whereas, in France, outstanding cuisine can be had at the most modest of restaurants. Alex Yu, the French do wonderful things with organ meats! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Chirac and his 'tude (was Re: uk aims for paradise)
In a message dated 7/5/05 12:12:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eh, fish and chips from the wagon on a cold winter day is tasty, but otherwise I agree. Ever try Bubble.n squeak? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Chirac and his 'tude (was Re: uk aims for paradise)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/5/05 12:12:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eh, fish and chips from the wagon on a cold winter day is tasty, but otherwise I agree. Ever try Bubble.n squeak? Not a clue, sorry... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Chirac and his 'tude (was Re: uk aims for paradise)
In a message dated 7/6/05 10:26:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ever try Bubble.n squeak?Not a clue, sorry... All of the left overs from the past several days, ,mashed potatoes, peas carrots etc mixed together in a gruel and warmed up, Yummie and very British To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Arguing: who is it who wins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Priceless!! - my favorite scene from One Flew Over the CuckooÕs Nest. Though I've seen the movie and read the book, I don't get it. Your remark though obviously witty, is meaningless to me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chirac and his 'tude (was Re: uk aims for paradise)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yu, the French do wonderful things with organ meats! I remember being invited, with my future wife, to dinner by some good friends of my folks while visiting their vacation home in Colorado. They were originally from Mississippi and they gratiously took us to the local country club where as an appetizer they enthusiastically ordered head cheese for the table. Call me naieve, but I was unaware of this dish, thinking it was something dairy. And although I am no longer a vegetarian, (for many years now), I just wasn't quite ready for this head cheese. I stole a page from my MMY guide book. I ate it and enjoyed it lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Think Pieces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't you doing auditing using the e-meter? Is that not a primitive biofeedback device? No, it's not a biofeedback device. It helps locate actual spiritual trauma. I'd love to demonstrate it for you if we were closer. Well, it depends whether it ultimately relieves suffering. Are the results actual spiritual progress or merely learning to fool an e-meter? I understand your skepticism. Dianetics can be done with or without an e-meter. I have experienced results for myself and others. Yes, real, spiritual progress. That is my experience and observation. I earlier recounted a recent event for my wife with pain in her shoulder worse than the pain of childbirth. Auditng handled it as it was a restimulation of a past life incident. She was 90% recovered within two days of the auditing. People trash Scientology all the time. I've been doing it 15 years. I did TM 14 years. It works. My observation is because it works it gets attacked by vested interests it threatens. People get scared off and categorize it as crazy due to the alien thing which I've only ever heard or read about on the internet. Vaj, I rarely respond to any of your postings, because, quite honestly they go way over my head. My expertise is Dianetics and Scientology. I know you've asked me about the Jack Parsons AC stuff, but I again only heard about that on the internet. I have studied Hubbard's Scientology stuff and it's not black magic or weird. It's the most practical stuff I've ever learned. Yet, most people think it's weird and controversial. I feel most people on this forum have either written Scientology off thusly or are just plain not interested. Fair enough. I appreciate questions as I'd like to present what Scientology is for me based on my experience. I feel it has a lot of good to offer. Thanks for the questions. I hope my answers were adequate. Jeff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
