date:20051211

This is what is amazing about Tom P. On one hand he
can post these incredibly racist and antisemetic
posts, but then he can act with great compassion
towards others. In fact Rick Archer posted a comment
about Tom bringing an African American person to see
Amma. So, go figure.

--- benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I have a few thoughts on the whole Tom Pall
 situation.  Bear with me
 for a bit...
 
 Each Christmas time the yagya group does a special
 project to go to a
 vedic patasalas in Kanchipuram where young priests
 are being trained.
  The boys there generally range in age from 10 to
 about 18.  In
 Kanchipuram they are from the villages in the area
 and tend to be from
 families who are definitely not rich.  So we arrange
 for a special
 meal and for each one to receive a new cotton dhoti.
  It is a genuine
 help to them and they feel honored and we feel good
 doing it,
 particularly around Christmas time.  
 
 So this year we were going to do this again for 30
 boys (and an equal
 number of girls by the way) and I had set aside some
 of the sponsor
 money for this purpose.  I posted a notice on my
 website and a number
 of people suddenly donated several hundred dollars. 
 So I called
 India, and told Seetharam (our chief priest) that we
 have to expand
 the program because I had all this unexpected money.
  There was
 absolute silence in the other end of the phone.  I
 said what...?. 
 He said, I tell you before God, all the hairs on my
 body are standing
 on end.  Earlier today the dhoti man came to my
 house and I thought to
 buy 150 dhotis; 30 for the usual students and the
 others so we can go
 to a new patasala with 120 students.  I bought the
 dhoties wondering
 if I could ask Ben for more money and now you call,
 not knowing what I
 have done and the money is here.  This is god's
 grace.
 
 Well, that's how the priests see it.  These guys
 don't have any
 special powers or siddhis, so they see it as an
 expression of God's
 grace.  Ok, so maybe it is circumstance and maybe
 not.  Who cares. 
 Its fun when it happens. 
 
 The other time that I have had something like that
 happen is where Tom
 Pall enters the story.
 
 A few years ago we started doing 2 weeks of yagyas
 every month in
 India.  Six priests and their families relied on our
 support.  It
 freaked me out at the time because that is a lot of
 money month after
 month to be responsible for.  But just as we took
 the first steps
 forward, hoping for the best, Tom Pall began to
 sponsor lots of
 yagyas; often times spending several thousand
 dollars each month.  He
 played a necessary role at a critical time.
 
 I recognize that Tom Pall stepped up and helped. 
 There was
 considerable generosity in what he did.  Tom wants
 to heal himself and
 ultimately just wants to feel good and at peace
 (like we all do). 
 Even before he and I met, Tom believed and
 experienced that yagyas
 were a way for him to experience the healing that he
 was searching
 for.  What happened since then is not as important
 as remembering the
 fact that Tom, on a scale that is not common in
 life, saw an
 opportunity to help and support something
 worthwhile.  He jumped in
 and committed himself completely for a long long
 time, just as he is
 with the YBC group.
 
 All of us, when we are feeling raw and wounded say
 and do things that
 ultimately we wish we could take back.  And in the
 turmoil there is a
 tendency to forget all the good that preceeded it. 
 No matter how much
 it may appear hidden these days, Tom has a kind,
 generous,
 considerate, and deeply spiritual side.  It is too
 bad that it has
 been so obscured lately, and I hope he can
 rediscover it soon.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A perspective on Tom Pall

2005-12-11 Thread Patrick Gillam

--- drpetersutphen wrote:

 This is what is amazing about Tom P. On one hand he
 can post these incredibly racist and antisemetic
 posts, but then he can act with great compassion
 towards others. In fact Rick Archer posted a comment
 about Tom bringing an African American person to see
 Amma. So, go figure.

http://tinyurl.com/abqty

Psychiatry Ponders Whether Extreme Bias Can Be an Illness

By Shankar Vedantam
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, December 10, 2005; A01

The 48-year-old man turned down a job because he feared that a co-worker would 
be 
gay. He was upset that gay culture was becoming mainstream and blamed most of 
his 
personal, professional and emotional problems on the gay and lesbian movement.

These fixations preoccupied him every day. Articles in magazines about gays 
made him 
agitated. He confessed that his fears had left him socially isolated and 
unemployed for 
years: A recovering alcoholic, the man even avoided 12-step meetings out of 
fear he 
might encounter a gay person.

He had a fixed delusion about the world, said Sondra E. Solomon, a 
psychologist at the 
University of Vermont who treated the man for two years. He felt under attack, 
he felt 
threatened.

Mental health practitioners say they regularly confront extreme forms of 
racism, 
homophobia and other prejudice in the course of therapy, and that some patients 
are 
disabled by these beliefs. As doctors increasingly weigh the effects of race 
and culture on 
mental illness, some are asking whether pathological bias ought to be an 
official 
psychiatric diagnosis.

Advocates have circulated draft guidelines and have begun to conduct systematic 
studies. 
While the proposal is gaining traction, it is still in the early stages of 
being considered by 
the professionals who decide on new diagnoses.

If it succeeds, it could have huge ramifications on clinical practice, 
employment disputes 
and the criminal justice system. Perpetrators of hate crimes could become 
candidates for 
treatment, and physicians would become arbiters of how to distinguish ordinary 
prejudice from pathological bias.

Several experts said they are unsure whether bias can be pathological. Solomon, 
for 
instance, is uncomfortable with the idea. But they agreed that psychiatry has 
been 
inattentive to the effects of prejudice on mental health and illness.

Has anyone done a word search for 'racism' in DSM-IV? It doesn't exist, said 
Carl C. Bell, 
a Chicago psychiatrist, referring to psychiatry's manual of mental disorders. 
Has anyone 
asked, 'If you have paranoia, do you project your hostility toward other 
groups?' The 
answer is 'Hell, no!' 

The proposed guidelines that California psychologist Edward Dunbar created 
describe 
people whose daily functioning is paralyzed by persistent fears and worries 
about other 
groups. The guidelines have not been endorsed by the American Psychiatric 
Association, 
which publishes the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders 
(DSM); 
advocates are mostly seeking support for systematic study.

Darrel A. Regier, director of research at the psychiatric association, said he 
supports 
research into whether pathological bias is a disorder. But he said the jury is 
out on 
whether a diagnostic classification would add anything useful, given that 
clinicians already 
know about disorders in which people rigidly hold onto false beliefs.

If you are going to put racism into the next edition of DSM, you would have 
enormous 
criticism, Regier said. Critics would ask,  'Are you pathologizing all of 
life?' You better be 
prepared to defend that classification.

I think it's absurd, said Sally Satel, a psychiatrist and the author of PC, 
M.D.: How 
Political Correctness Is Corrupting Medicine. Satel said the diagnosis would 
allow hate-
crime perpetrators to evade responsibility by claiming they suffered from a 
mental illness. 
You could use it as a defense.

Psychiatrists who advocate a new diagnosis, such as Gary Belkin, deputy chief 
of 
psychiatry at New York's Bellevue Hospital, said social norms play a central 
role in how all 
psychiatric disorders are defined. Pedophilia is considered a disorder by 
psychiatrists, 
Belkin noted, but that does not keep child molesters from being prosecuted.

Psychiatrists who are uneasy with including something like this in the 
Diagnostic and 
Statistical Manual need to get used to the fact that the whole manual reflects 
social 
context, said Belkin, who is planning to launch a study on pathological bias 
among 
patients at his hospital. That is true of depression on down. Pathological 
bias is no more 
or less scientific than major depression.

Advocates for the new diagnosis also say most candidates for treatment, such as 
the man 
Solomon treated, are not criminals or violent offenders. Rather, they are like 
the young 
woman in Los Angeles who thought Jews were diseased and would infect her -- she 
carried out compulsive cleansing rituals and hit her

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A perspective on Tom Pall

Thanks for the interesting article. Tom isn't this
extreme, but there does seem to be some sort of a
common element.

--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- drpetersutphen wrote:
 
  This is what is amazing about Tom P. On one hand
 he
  can post these incredibly racist and antisemetic
  posts, but then he can act with great compassion
  towards others. In fact Rick Archer posted a
 comment
  about Tom bringing an African American person to
 see
  Amma. So, go figure.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/abqty
 
 Psychiatry Ponders Whether Extreme Bias Can Be an
 Illness
 
 By Shankar Vedantam
 Washington Post Staff Writer
 Saturday, December 10, 2005; A01
 
 The 48-year-old man turned down a job because he
 feared that a co-worker would be 
 gay. He was upset that gay culture was becoming
 mainstream and blamed most of his 
 personal, professional and emotional problems on the
 gay and lesbian movement.
 
 These fixations preoccupied him every day. Articles
 in magazines about gays made him 
 agitated. He confessed that his fears had left him
 socially isolated and unemployed for 
 years: A recovering alcoholic, the man even avoided
 12-step meetings out of fear he 
 might encounter a gay person.
 
 He had a fixed delusion about the world, said
 Sondra E. Solomon, a psychologist at the 
 University of Vermont who treated the man for two
 years. He felt under attack, he felt 
 threatened.
 
 Mental health practitioners say they regularly
 confront extreme forms of racism, 
 homophobia and other prejudice in the course of
 therapy, and that some patients are 
 disabled by these beliefs. As doctors increasingly
 weigh the effects of race and culture on 
 mental illness, some are asking whether pathological
 bias ought to be an official 
 psychiatric diagnosis.
 
 Advocates have circulated draft guidelines and have
 begun to conduct systematic studies. 
 While the proposal is gaining traction, it is still
 in the early stages of being considered by 
 the professionals who decide on new diagnoses.
 
 If it succeeds, it could have huge ramifications on
 clinical practice, employment disputes 
 and the criminal justice system. Perpetrators of
 hate crimes could become candidates for 
 treatment, and physicians would become arbiters of
 how to distinguish ordinary 
 prejudice from pathological bias.
 
 Several experts said they are unsure whether bias
 can be pathological. Solomon, for 
 instance, is uncomfortable with the idea. But they
 agreed that psychiatry has been 
 inattentive to the effects of prejudice on mental
 health and illness.
 
 Has anyone done a word search for 'racism' in
 DSM-IV? It doesn't exist, said Carl C. Bell, 
 a Chicago psychiatrist, referring to psychiatry's
 manual of mental disorders. Has anyone 
 asked, 'If you have paranoia, do you project your
 hostility toward other groups?' The 
 answer is 'Hell, no!' 
 
 The proposed guidelines that California psychologist
 Edward Dunbar created describe 
 people whose daily functioning is paralyzed by
 persistent fears and worries about other 
 groups. The guidelines have not been endorsed by the
 American Psychiatric Association, 
 which publishes the Diagnostic and Statistical
 Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM); 
 advocates are mostly seeking support for systematic
 study.
 
 Darrel A. Regier, director of research at the
 psychiatric association, said he supports 
 research into whether pathological bias is a
 disorder. But he said the jury is out on 
 whether a diagnostic classification would add
 anything useful, given that clinicians already 
 know about disorders in which people rigidly hold
 onto false beliefs.
 
 If you are going to put racism into the next
 edition of DSM, you would have enormous 
 criticism, Regier said. Critics would ask,  'Are
 you pathologizing all of life?' You better be 
 prepared to defend that classification.
 
 I think it's absurd, said Sally Satel, a
 psychiatrist and the author of PC, M.D.: How 
 Political Correctness Is Corrupting Medicine. Satel
 said the diagnosis would allow hate-
 crime perpetrators to evade responsibility by
 claiming they suffered from a mental illness. 
 You could use it as a defense.
 
 Psychiatrists who advocate a new diagnosis, such as
 Gary Belkin, deputy chief of 
 psychiatry at New York's Bellevue Hospital, said
 social norms play a central role in how all 
 psychiatric disorders are defined. Pedophilia is
 considered a disorder by psychiatrists, 
 Belkin noted, but that does not keep child molesters
 from being prosecuted.
 
 Psychiatrists who are uneasy with including
 something like this in the Diagnostic and 
 Statistical Manual need to get used to the fact that
 the whole manual reflects social 
 context, said Belkin, who is planning to launch a
 study on pathological bias among 
 patients at his hospital. That is true of
 depression on down. Pathological bias is no more 
 or less scientific than major depression.
 
 Advocates for the new diagnosis also say most

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin sez 2000 student university in DC immediately



--- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   we are immediately establishing a group of
 2,000 meditating students 
   in Washington, D.C.,
   
  

http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=11339834121142172
  
  
  TMO-speak for wouldn't it be nice if...?
 
 (as he detects the subtle fragrance of fund raising
 in the air...)
 
 It may be TM speak for, show me the money. Or
 maybe they're figuring
 up the proceeds from all those trademark infringment
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Yes, suing all those non-recertified teachers who
continue to teach and rake-in loads of cash will be
very lucrative for the TMO!





 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Shiva-suutra of the day?



On Dec 11, 2005, at 4:24 AM, cardemaister wrote: SS I 7:  jaagratsvapnasuSuptabhede turyaabhogasaMbhavaH (jaagrat; svapna; suSupta-bhede turya-aabhoga-saMbhavaH)  This is my "own" translation:  In the gap (bhede) [between] waking (jaagrat), dreaming (svapna) [and] deep sleep (suSupta) "is born" (saMbhavaH = birth) enjoyment (aabhoga, also e.g. "fullness") of the Transcendental Consciousness (turya = fourth).  Does that make any sense? The entire first section of the Shiva-sutra describes Shambhava upaya--the yoga of spontaneous manifestation of the I-consciousness of Shiva, and the sudden emergence of the individual experience "Shivoham" (or "udyamo bhairava" I:5), "I am Shiva". It is the "highest" (read: most direct) of all three upayas in this agama. This means that this presence of spontaneous I-consciousness of Shiva is a witness which runs continuously and uninterruptedly through all three states of consciousness. This is not mere "saksi" (witness-consciousness) but Ishvara-Saksi -- God-witness. In fact, it's not the same witness as in Shankara at all, it is vimarsha (world-mirror) which is filled with the bhoga (ecstasy) of turiya.Abhoga = Camatkara





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Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

2005-12-11 Thread Sal Sunshine

It was the picture of your band that did it, Rick.

Sal


On Dec 10, 2005, at 10:33 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

For some reason the bozos at Yahoo recently switched FFL’s classification to the http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/dir/Romance___Relationships/Adult category. This obligates people to agree to Yahoo’s Porn conditions before being admitted to the messages.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

2005-12-11 Thread uns_tressor

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 For some reason the bozos at Yahoo recently switched FFL¹s
classification to
 the http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/dir/Romance___Relationships/Adult
category.
 This obligates people to agree to Yahoo¹s Porn conditions before being
 admitted to the messages. I also just discovered that FFL no longer
comes up
 in the results when you search for it or for any of the keywords in its
 description in the ³Find a Group² box at http://groups.yahoo.com/.
This is
 probably true of all groups in the adult category. I would like to
submit an
 appeal to Yahoo and would like some of you to help me by exploring
the Yahoo
 Groups category structure and recommending the ideal category for FFL. 

It would be good if the Moderator is sent a copy of the email
that Yahoo received to get FFL transferred from wherever
it was to Romance_Relationships/Adult, which seems
peposterous when one sees all the caterwailing that goes
on. I smell a malicious intention.
Uns.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] IAC Statement on Saddam Hussein's Trial

2005-12-11 Thread MDixon6569







In a message dated 12/10/05 6:58:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The 
  trial of Saddam Hussein, which has opened with much 
  internationalpublicity, is a desperate attempt to justify and convey 
  somelegitimacy on the criminal U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq. It 
  isan effort to demoralize and divide the resistance to the 
  occupation.It has nothing to do with justice or truth.All the 
  political forces internationally that have opposed the15-year-long U.S. 
  war on Iraq--which has included starvationsanctions, bombing and 
  invasion--should also oppose all the efforts tojustify the continued 
  occupation, including the present trial of theformer Iraqi leader and 
  seven members of his government.

We love you Sara! With articles like yours and the Cindy 
Sheehans, Nancy Pelosis John Murthas et al, middle America can take a good hard 
look at who is lying and telling the truth and who really has the best interest 
of the country in mind. Poor Saddam! just a good 'ol boy never meanin' no 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

on 12/11/05 9:36 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 It would be good if the Moderator is sent a copy of the email
 that Yahoo received to get FFL transferred from wherever
 it was to Romance_Relationships/Adult, which seems
 peposterous when one sees all the caterwailing that goes
 on. I smell a malicious intention.
 Uns.

I am the moderator, as you know, and I haven't been sent anything. We don't
know why the switch occurred. Someone may have complained to them that we
are using cuss words and discussing adult topics, or it may even be an
automatic switch because I have words like sexuality and homosexuality
in the group description. I'm going to try to get to the bottom of it. 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva-suutra of the day?

2005-12-11 Thread cardemaister

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Dec 11, 2005, at 4:24 AM, cardemaister wrote:
 
 
  SS I 7:
 
  jaagratsvapnasuSuptabhede turyaabhogasaMbhavaH
  (jaagrat; svapna; suSupta-bhede turya-aabhoga-saMbhavaH)
 
  This is my own translation:
 
  In the gap (bhede) [between] waking (jaagrat),
  dreaming (svapna) [and] deep sleep (suSupta)
  is born (saMbhavaH = birth) enjoyment (aabhoga,
  also e.g. fullness) of the Transcendental Consciousness
  (turya = fourth).
 
  Does that make any sense?
 
 The entire first section of the Shiva-sutra describes Shambhava  
 upaya--the yoga of spontaneous manifestation of the I-
consciousness  
 of Shiva, and the sudden emergence of the individual experience  
 Shivoham (or udyamo bhairava I:5), I am Shiva. It is the  
 highest (read: most direct) of all three upayas in this agama. 
This  
 means that this presence of spontaneous I-consciousness of Shiva is 
a  
 witness which runs continuously and uninterruptedly through all 
three  
 states of consciousness. This is not mere saksi (witness- 
 consciousness) but Ishvara-Saksi -- God-witness. In fact, it's not  
 the same witness as in Shankara at all, it is vimarsha (world-
mirror)  
 which is filled with the bhoga (ecstasy) of turiya.
 
 Abhoga = Camatkara


That's interesting - and, well, surprising!
BTW, I just noticed that  turyaabhoga
could in priciple be sandhi for (at least)
turya + aa_bhoga (enjoyment) and turya + 
a_bhoga (non-enjoyment). That's an example of how
for instance sandhi of 'a' makes Sanskrit texts
ambiguous.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva-suutra of the day?



On Dec 11, 2005, at 11:28 AM, cardemaister wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   On Dec 11, 2005, at 4:24 AM, cardemaister wrote:   SS I 7:  jaagratsvapnasuSuptabhede turyaabhogasaMbhavaH (jaagrat; svapna; suSupta-bhede turya-aabhoga-saMbhavaH)  This is my "own" translation:  In the gap (bhede) [between] waking (jaagrat), dreaming (svapna) [and] deep sleep (suSupta) "is born" (saMbhavaH = birth) enjoyment (aabhoga, also e.g. "fullness") of the Transcendental Consciousness (turya = fourth).  Does that make any sense?  The entire first section of the Shiva-sutra describes Shambhava   upaya--the yoga of spontaneous manifestation of the I- consciousness   of Shiva, and the sudden emergence of the individual experience   "Shivoham" (or "udyamo bhairava" I:5), "I am Shiva". It is the   "highest" (read: most direct) of all three upayas in this agama.  This   means that this presence of spontaneous I-consciousness of Shiva is  a   witness which runs continuously and uninterruptedly through all  three   states of consciousness. This is not mere "saksi" (witness-  consciousness) but Ishvara-Saksi -- God-witness. In fact, it's not   the same witness as in Shankara at all, it is vimarsha (world- mirror)   which is filled with the bhoga (ecstasy) of turiya.  Abhoga = Camatkara   That's interesting - and, well, surprising! BTW, I just noticed that  "turyaabhoga" could in priciple be sandhi for (at least) "turya + aa_bhoga" (enjoyment) and "turya +  a_bhoga" (non-enjoyment). That's an example of how for instance sandhi of 'a' makes Sanskrit texts ambiguous. Also why a sutra always requires an enlightened commentary--in this case the Vimarshini.





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[FairfieldLife] Finding the current ashrama site..Shiva linga and tunnel to Chamundi

Life History of H.H. Sri Swamiji 163

Jaya Guru Datta
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Chapter 14
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Kaivalya Padam Paduka Diksha
Ê
Sthala Sekharana (Finding the site)
Ê
The devotees were surprised to find that the members of the welfare committee 
had 
actually felt sorry on seeing Swamy express his distress in public. They had 
really started 
to look for a site and thought they found a suitable site. The site had a 
drainage canal 
nearby. If the canal was full, it was possible to get filled with sewage water 
and the area 
would be drowned in the horrible smell of the sewage. Ramaswamy, Narayana Rao 
and few 
elders were not happy with the site. Anantarama Bhat, Nagappa, Ramaswamy, the 
owners 
of the Vishnu Coffee works and few others saw another site in Nanjangud road 
and felt it 
to be a better site. One day Swamy gathered few devotees around him and said, 
Time has 
come to move out of this place. Please make the necessary arrangements.The 
devotees 
went on a discussion on this issue for nearly 4 hours and did not get anywhere. 
Finally one 
devotee stood up and said, I am a committee member, and without its permission 
Swamy 
should not enter into any negotiations, buy or sell land or let somebody buy or 
sell land 
on his behalf, and he should not encourage any business transactions or approve 
of it. It 
will all be against the constitution.Anantarama Bhat who was getting hungry by 
that time 
could not stand this silly argument. He shouted back, Myself and few of my 
friends have 
decided to contribute whatever we can afford and buy the land. Why should you 
worry?No 
other members had any objection to this proposal and the committee members shut 
their 
mouth for few days. Immediately, Anantarama Bhat placed Rs.1,000/- at the feet 
of 
Swamy. Nagappa followed with Rs.1,000/-, proprietors of the Vishnu coffee works 
pledged Rs.1,000/-, Krishna Swamy's father pledged Rs.500/- and there was 
Rs.1,000/- 
collection in the hundi box. All in all it came to Rs.4,500/-. The site they 
had looked at 
Nanjangud road was for Rs.9,000/-. The members agreed to proceed with the 
purchase of 
that land and concluded the lengthy meeting that night by 10 pm. One day, few 
elder 
members like Ramaswamy, Nagappa took Swamy to the site. It was the same site 
Swamy 
had shown to his brother Nanjundiah 18 months ago. Swamy carefully went round 
the site 
in detail, made some enquiries about it and finally asked others, Do you like 
it?Yes, we 
all liked it very much,they replied. Then I like it too. Proceed without 
delay and conduct 
the necessary transactions,Swamy advised them. On the way back Swamy told 
Ramaswamy, Tata, just wait and see how this place will flourish as an 
ashrama.It was 
nearly 3 ½ acres of land and originally belonged to the kings of Mysore. One of 
the royal 
ancestors was a yogi, an Upasaka of Dattatreya. As the Upasana of Dattatreya 
was 
traditionally carried on by generations, Sree Jayachamarajendra, the king in 
the early part 
of the 20th century, wrote a detailed voluminous book on Dattatreya. It was 
later 
translated into English and Telugu. That yogi had constructed an underground 
tunnel at 
this site and installed the Shiva Lingam at its entrance. In front of the Shiva 
Lingam on a 
pillar he had installed Nandi(1). The entrance was facing to the east and 
directly 
overlooking the Chamundi Hills. Inside at every step, he had plaques with 
OMwritten on 
each of them. Near the cave he had planted a Shammi(2)tree, which is 
considered highly 
auspicious. Many believe that he had constructed an underground tunnel from the 
cave all 
the way to the Chamundi temple. Nearby he had also constructed a well but that 
well was 
not part of the site for sale. Part of the site was used for agriculture and 
the rest had 
mango, cocoanut and tamarind trees. It was an uneven site filled with plenty of 
rocks. 
There was a guard for the site and he lived in a small shed constructed on the 
site. After 
independence, the Royalty in India gradually lost their role and as a 
consequence lost 
several of their properties. This site was taken over by Venkatawamy, a PWD 
engineer. He 
was a friend of Ramaswamy but somehow Ramaswamy could not get his friend 
complete 
the deal quickly. Ramaswamy was perturbed and one day confided in Swamy about 
this 
worry in the delay to acquire the site. Swamy said, Do not worry, go tomorrow 
evening 
and the work would be completed to your satisfaction.


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Satyam, or Satyanarayana referred to here was Sri Swamiji's name as a child.
Later
references to Swamy are to Him as well. It describes in detail Sri Swamiji's
relationship with
Ganapathi, His upanayanam, great compassion, commitment to Dharma, His
actions
demonstrating and other miraculous incidents.

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[FairfieldLife] rediscovering the dhyana aspect of Indian music

 Inauguration of Nada Mantapa Raga Ragini Samudaya Bhavan

ADDRESS
OF THE HONORABLE VICE-PRESIDENT OF INDIA, SRI KRISHAN KANT,
AT THE INAUGURATION OF THE NEWLY CONSTRUCTED
RAGA RAGINI NADA MANTAPA AUDITORIUM
ON 31st MAY, 1998 AT AVADHOOTA DATTA PEETHAM, MYSORE

 
It is with a great sense of pleasure and satisfaction that I inaugurate this 
imposing 
auditorium- Raga Ragini Nada Mantapa inspired by His Holiness Jagadguru Datta 
Peethadhipati Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Swamiji. This concert hall- the 
Mantapa, will 
long serve the cause of music and remain a monument to Swamiji's untiring 
efforts to 
make the people of the world aware of the grandeur of Indian music and its many 
less-
known uses. I have had the good fortune of observing Swamiji's musical genius 
and power 
to inspire and command the adherence both of the musically gifted and the lay. 
The 
residents of Mysore are exceptionally lucky to receive this gift of love from 
Swamiji.

To Swamiji goes the singular credit of distilling from music, its therapeutic 
uses which lay 
buried in the accumulating sands of time. There are many who have benefited 
from his 
blessings and many more are waiting to receive them. Dhyana Sangeeta is one of 
the 
several inherent attributes of music. Only through painstaking research and 
insightful 
analysis has Swamiji succeeded in rediscovering the dhyana aspect of our 
music. We all 
owe to him a great debt of gratitude.

The musical traditions of India are our culture's enduring legacies. Our music 
is one of the 
oldest in the world, going back to the Vedic times. It is essentially melodic 
and has 
retained that character till this day. The two great systems of Indian music, 
Hindustani and 
Carnatic, have the same basis and common roots. They are melodic and are 
governed by 
the rules of Raga and Tala structures. Coming down to the present from the 
ancient times, 
the common roots of our apparently different systems of music, tell the story 
of a cultural 
synthesis which distinguishes our civilization. From Kashmir to Kanyakumari, 
the people 
of India, regardless of caste, creed or region, understand, appreciate and 
instinctively 
relate to Indian musical traditions. Whether it is simple folk music or the 
sophisticated 
classical form, the music of India unites us all in a subconscious oneness.

In our philosophical traditions music is one of the path ways to the Brahma. It 
is an aspect 
of the supreme reality. In Vedic literature, one comes across the concept of 
Nada Brahma, 
the absolute sound-principle. The Vedas say:-

CHAITANYA SARVA BUTHANAM VIVRUTHAM JAGADATHMANA

NADA BRAHMA THADANANDAM ADHVITIYA MRUPASAYE

We worship Nada Brahma, that incomparable bliss which is immanent in all the 
creatures 
as intelligence and is manifest in the phenomenon of this universe.

Sangeet Ratnakar also uses the Vedic idiom to describe Nada Brahma as the 
ultimate 
principle of sound, the source of the delight of music. It is remarkable how 
the aesthetic 
and the spiritual are synthesized and find a common expression in the ancient 
music of 
India.

Given this spiritual origin of our music, it is nothing surprising if this 
medium was used by 
Saints to reach out to the hearts and the minds of the people. Be it Kabir, 
Mira, 
Purandardas, Jaidev, Ameer Khusro or Tansen, they all found in music a powerful 
means of 
communication of subtle thoughts and ideas to the people. To many, music became 
both 
a medium and an object of worship and benediction. Through simple bhajans, 
abhangas 
and Kirtans, the most profound mystic truths and socially reformative ideas 
were conveyed 
to the society.

Indian life is filled with music. It is many-hued spectrum ranging from the 
simple to the 
sophisticated, encompassing the grunts and the shrieks of the Nagas and the 
Todas, to 
the uncommn sophistication of concert music. Indian music has this unique power 
to 
elicit, not only physical and cerebral, but also the spiritual response from 
the people. 
There is ecstasy in Shri Chaitanya's chant of Hari Hari Bol and the Sufi's 
plaintive cry for 
his beloved. All reveal the integrity of the spiritual personality of man. 
Music is the way to 
spiritual wisdom, beyond faith, belief and religions. The Vedas say:-

YEK MAPIHI BRAHMA

VIMUTHI MEDE ANEK THA VUPASPATHE YITHI STHITHI

Brahma, although one, owing to the plurality of its powers is meditated upon 
in more 
than one ways.

Rumi- the Sufi Mystic, echoes the same thought when he says-

By loving (spiritual) wisdom doth the soul know life.

What has it got to do with senseless strife of Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Arab, 
Turk?

The Greek Philosopher Plato described Music as the harmony of the soul. 
Musical 
learning was the highest form of education and enabled the seeker to transcend 
the limits 
both of the body and the intellect.

In all philosophic traditions, the world over, the transcendental aspect of 
music has been 
recognized.

Some of India's finest music

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[FairfieldLife] Many activities under the guidance of Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji

Multifarious activities under the guidance of Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda 
Swamiji.

Jaya Guru Datta

Free medical service in more than 75 centers of His ashramas.

Free feeding everyday under the auspices of Jayalakshmi Mata Nitya Annadana 
Trust.

Music for Meditation and Healing concerts on a regular basis. Bringing out 
healing music 
albums through audio and video media.

Publication of rare and ancient spiritual books connected with ancient culture.
Propagation of Kriya Yoga through ÔbasicÕ and Ôadvanced coursesÕ.

Promoting the health science of Ayurveda and developing herbal gardens at 
various 
places.

Construction of temples and various places in India and abroad. Renovation of 
dilapidated 
and neglected temples. Helping temple construction in backward colonies.

Running Veda Pathashala and conducting annual Veda examinations on a national 
level.

Establishing schools under the auspices of Sri Ganapathi Vidya Samsthe.

Establishing school for communication handicapped children. (Vagdevi School in 
Bangalore)

Publishing ÔBhakti MalaÕ in English and various Indian languages.

Setting up of ÔAmmavodiÕ (MotherÕs lap) in Hyderabad to offer assistance to the 
needy, 
helpless, poor and destitute women.
http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/festivals/navaratri2004/oct14/oct14.html

Conducting free mass marriages to help the poor get married in a traditional 
way.

Promotion of music and other performing areas in its entire dimension.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva-suutra of the day?

2005-12-11 Thread cardemaister

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Dec 11, 2005, at 11:28 AM, cardemaister wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  On Dec 11, 2005, at 4:24 AM, cardemaister wrote:
 
 
  SS I 7:
 
  jaagratsvapnasuSuptabhede turyaabhogasaMbhavaH
  (jaagrat; svapna; suSupta-bhede turya-aabhoga-saMbhavaH)
 
  This is my own translation:
 
  In the gap (bhede) [between] waking (jaagrat),
  dreaming (svapna) [and] deep sleep (suSupta)
  is born (saMbhavaH = birth) enjoyment (aabhoga,
  also e.g. fullness) of the Transcendental Consciousness
  (turya = fourth).
 
  Does that make any sense?
 
  The entire first section of the Shiva-sutra describes Shambhava
  upaya--the yoga of spontaneous manifestation of the I-
  consciousness
  of Shiva, and the sudden emergence of the individual experience
  Shivoham (or udyamo bhairava I:5), I am Shiva. It is the
  highest (read: most direct) of all three upayas in this agama.
  This
  means that this presence of spontaneous I-consciousness of Shiva 
is
  a
  witness which runs continuously and uninterruptedly through all
  three
  states of consciousness. This is not mere saksi (witness-
  consciousness) but Ishvara-Saksi -- God-witness. In fact, it's 
not
  the same witness as in Shankara at all, it is vimarsha (world-
  mirror)
  which is filled with the bhoga (ecstasy) of turiya.
 
  Abhoga = Camatkara
 
 
  That's interesting - and, well, surprising!
  BTW, I just noticed that  turyaabhoga
  could in priciple be sandhi for (at least)
  turya + aa_bhoga (enjoyment) and turya +
  a_bhoga (non-enjoyment). That's an example of how
  for instance sandhi of 'a' makes Sanskrit texts
  ambiguous.
 
 Also why a sutra always requires an enlightened commentary--in 
this  
 case the Vimarshini.

Sorry, I don't actually quite understand what you mean
by abhoga = camatkara. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fidel Castro and TM

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
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   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 12/9/05 7:38:45 P.M. Central Standard 
  Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Several years ago TMO had considered Fidel Castro the  
 personification
  of the Invincibility principle, or something like  that. 
 It 
   was 
 quite
  appropriate given the more than 400, if I  remember 
  correctly,
  assassination attempts against his person  organized by 
 the 
   CIA 
and 
 the
  Miami mafia...
 
 
 
 
 Too  bad they didn't get him like they did that other mass-
murderer 
 Che  Guevara.
 
 Castro is responsible for about 50,000 deaths and 
enslaving 
  11  
 million Cubans.
 
 
 
 
 
 Could you imagine the out cry had they been successful? 
  Ramsey  
Clark could 
 have jump started his hate America carrier in the early  
   sixties! 
 Castro was 
 small potatoes compared to Saddam who killed  maybe 2 
 million 
   and 
enslaved 24 
 million Iraqis under slightly similar  circumstances. 
 However 
  no 
Invincibility 
 awards for Mr. Hussein. Yet  !



Alot of the anti-Bushies on this forum would just LOVE to 
have 
  the 
pre-U.S.-invasion status quo back so that Saddam and his 
 kinder 
would be free to murder more.

   
   I am very firmly anti-Bush because he is so anti-American. 
 Having 
   said that, we sure cherry pick our dictators to get outraged 
 over 
   don't we? 
   
   There were enough in the collective consciousness of the US 
who, 
   following 9/11, resisted their ability to determine why we 
were 
   attacked, primarily by Saudi Arabian radicals, and instead 
 decided 
   that they were angry, and it was someone's fault in the Middle 
  East. 
   
   The Bushies, wanting to take over Iraq for awhile due to its 
   strategic oil value, and to finish a war that Bush the first 
  began, 
   decided Iraq was the target.
   
   This high handed crap about removing an oppressive dictator 
and 
   setting the Iraqis free is politically self-serving, and 
defames 
  the 
   true ideal of liberty which this country was founded on.
  
  
  That oil was a major factor in which dictator we chose to depose 
 is 
  one I will readily acknowledge.
  
  And what's wrong with that?  I use gas on a daily basis, don't 
you?
  
  So what's so wrong about factoring in that as part of our 
decision-
  making?
 
 
 Nothing is wrong with securing our interests and putting our 
efforts 
 towards that end. 
 
 And per your last post, maybe people meditating is the answer. It 
 certainly can't hurt.
 
 However, we have all of this legal, diplomatic and economic 
leverage 
 at our disposal (the US I mean), and it just seems so cynical, 
 inhumane and lazy to me to try it out a little bit whenever 
conflict 
 is brewing, then declare it unworkable, and as long as our 
adversary 
 doesn't have nuclear capability, just say f*ck it and start a war 
on 
 them.



I don't know if you are referring above to the Iraq invasion, but 
how do you feel about the fact that there were no less than 17 U.N. 
resolutions asking Iraq to comply to WMD inspections, all of which 
came about because Iraq was NOT complying?  Yes, as you say above, 
we have alot of diplomatic arsenal at our disposal to use and 
benefit from BEFORE we go to war, but when is time to say enough is 
enough?  10 years and 17 resolutions seems, to me, to be WAY more 
than enough.

And, hey, did the U.S. really just say fuck it and start a war?  
No, they give such incredibly AMPLE warning.  Iraqis -- and the rest 
of the world for that matter -- KNEW that the U.S. was going to 
invade.  In wasn't in the middle of the night like Germany marching 
into Czechoslovakia or the Soviet Union into Afghanistan.






 
 Sure there are inefficiencies and lack of coherence and great 
 difficulties in reaching a diplomatic consesus and/or enforcing 
 economic sanctions, but going the extra mile is well worth the 
lives 
 spared. 
 
 To have created all of our alternatives to war, and then so easily 
 be willing to kill in this supposedly modern age is just such an 
 affront to all of us.



...so easily be willing to kill  Thanks to the wonderful, 
incredible military technology of the United States, the killing of 
civilians were kept to a minimum.




 You spoke of Maharishi earlier. He has a great 
 expression: Whatever you put your attention on, grows. Perhaps if 
we 
 put our attention on cooperation between countries vs more 
military 
 might, it could happen. 
 
 And

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

My letter to Yahoo:

I am the founder and moderator of FairfieldLife -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/. As the group description
indicates, we discuss a broad range of topics, but the discussions are
generally related to spirituality. The group should be in the Religion 
Beliefs  Spirituality category
(http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/dir/Religion___Beliefs/Spirituality) and I
think that's where I originally put it. But recently it was moved to the
Romance_Relationships/Adult category
(http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/dir/Romance___Relationships/Adult). I don't
know whether a human Yahoo editor moved it or it was moved automatically
because certain words were used in some post or because the words
sexuality and homosexuality are used in the group description. Whatever
the reason, romance, relationships and other adult topics are seldom, if
ever, discussed on FairfieldLife. I would like to request that you reassign
us to the Religion  Beliefs  Spirituality category. Being in the adult
category is an undeserved handicap. Users can't access the group on public
computers, such as in libraries, FairfieldLife no longer comes up in Find a
Group searches within http://groups.yahoo.com/, and there are probably
other problems that I haven't discovered yet. If you would like me to edit
the group description or impose restrictions on members to prevent our being
assigned to the adult category in the future, I would be happy to. Please
notify me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you.
 
Rick Archer

I'll probably have to send this more than once, so if anyone wants to
suggest changes or improvements, I'm open to them.


on 12/11/05 10:20 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 12/11/05 9:36 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 It would be good if the Moderator is sent a copy of the email
 that Yahoo received to get FFL transferred from wherever
 it was to Romance_Relationships/Adult, which seems
 peposterous when one sees all the caterwailing that goes
 on. I smell a malicious intention.
 Uns.
 
 I am the moderator, as you know, and I haven't been sent anything. We don't
 know why the switch occurred. Someone may have complained to them that we
 are using cuss words and discussing adult topics, or it may even be an
 automatic switch because I have words like sexuality and homosexuality
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Re: [FairfieldLife] For Vaj -- lyrics to a new Cockburn song



Thanks, I hadn't heard that one, which is apparently from 2004. On his current solo tour, he doing two other new ones you can read about on cockburnproject.netThey say:Editors Note: This song, Mystery, was first played in front of humans on 26 May 2004, at Blackheath Halls in South London. Lyrics were transcribed by Bobbi Wisby, with thanks and additional lyrics supplied by Geraint Rees. Lyric corrections added by Eric transcribed from the State Theatre in Ithaca, NY show. Known comments by Bruce Cockburn about this song, by date:26 May 2004  This is the lead-in to Mystery, transcribed from the Blackheath Halls show in South London: audience calls outs for Peggy's Kitchen Wall.. lots of laughter and Bruce saying, "so many songs so little time", with more calling of song titles, and Bruce responds, "in order not to play favorites", "I am gonna do something none of you know, I am not even sure I know this one, it's quite new."  "This is called Mystery."  "I went to Baghdad back in January, it was a pretty short visit but it was packed with meeting of people and I think I came away with at least as much understanding of the situation as your basic CNN person, perhaps more, having a different agenda to start with.  And I labored for a long time to get a song about Baghdad. You know, you can't go to a place like Baghdad looking for song material, its obscene. But, of course every time I go anywhere I always hope that there will be a song come out of it. And eventually there was one, but I haven't learned to play it so I'm not gonna do it for you.  (laughter)  But, right after I wrote it, I had been sort of feeling creativly constipated, for these many months, like trying to write this song about Baghdad. When it finally came, it paved the way, unleashed a torrent even, of a, (laughter) that's a very, sort of, unfortunate metaphor, sorry about that.  This song was one of the songs that followed the writing of that song, I might try it after, so I'll play this one, as I know it a little better.  But, it's called Mystery, it's kind of about that."-- from a live concert statement, transcribed by Bobbi Wisby, from the 26 May 2004, Blackheath Halls show in South London.29 October 2004  After much yelling of requests, Bruce said "While there have been many worthy requests, and they have been noted, I'm going to sing one... (pause) I might have heard someone ask for this, but I'm not sure. (laughter from audience) So I'm going to treat it as if I did. (loud audience laughter) I'm not sure how that happened, well I guess I do. This is a new song (audience laughter again). I have sung it in front of people before, and I'm sure it has turned up out there in the ether of the internet somewhere, since somebody knew enough to ask for it. This is called "Mystery" (Victoria Bouffard, the requester, calls out "Thank you!!") and that is what it is about."-- from a live concert transcribed by Eric, from the 29 October 2004, State Theatre in Ithaca, NY showOn Dec 11, 2005, at 6:35 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:I haven't heard the music that goes with this, but thesentiment strikes a resonance. I think it's pretty neatto reach the age of 60 and find *more* mystery in theworld than ever before. That's my idea of spiritualprogress.  - UncYou can't tell me there is no mysterymysterymysteryYou can't tell me there is no mysteryit's everywhere I turnMoon over junk yard where the snow lies brightsnow lies brightsnow lies brightMoon over junk yard where the snow lies brightCan set my heart to burnStood before the shaman I saw star strewn spacestar strewn spacestar strewn spaceStood before the shaman I saw star strewn spacebehind the eye holes in his faceInfinity always gives me vertigovertigovertigoInfinity always gives me  vertigoand fills me up with grace I was built on a Friday and you can't fix meyou can't fix meyou can't fix meI was built on a Friday and you can't fix meeven so I've done okSo grab that last bottle full of gasolinegasolinegasolineGrab that last bottle full of gasolinelight a toast to yesterdayAnd don't tell me there is no mysterymysterymysteryAnd don't tell me there is no mysteryit over flows my cupThis feast of beauty can intoxicateintoxicateintoxicateThis feast of beauty can intoxicatejust like the finest wineSo come all you stumblers who believe love rulesbelieve love rulesbelieve love rulesCome all you stumblers who believe love rulesstand up and let it shine stand up and let it shine stand up and let it shine  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help?  Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a.http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM~- To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/* To

[FairfieldLife] Re: The person responsible for you starting TM

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 on 12/11/05 1:15 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  The person on the left:
  
  
  http://home.att.ne.jp/green/slowhand/gallery/b90/07.JPG
 
 Who is that? Eric Clapton's wife?


Yup.

Do you know why she is responsible for you starting TM?






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[FairfieldLife] A perspective on Tom Pall

2005-12-11 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis

Dr Pete writes:
This is what is amazing about Tom P. On one hand he
can post these incredibly racist and antisemetic
posts, but then he can act with great compassion
towards others. In fact Rick Archer posted a comment
about Tom bringing an African American person to see
Amma. So, go figure.

Tom T:
It is called black and white thinking. Any twelve stepper knows that
one cold. When things ain't black they be white and vice-versa. No
inbetween place to be safe. One way of thinking one is in control is
to stake out positions where no one else wants to go. Tom T





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

2005-12-11 Thread wayback71

Could it be the info in the files about sex and MMY?  I assumed that Tom had 
reported this 
to the authorities.

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 on 12/11/05 9:36 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  It would be good if the Moderator is sent a copy of the email
  that Yahoo received to get FFL transferred from wherever
  it was to Romance_Relationships/Adult, which seems
  peposterous when one sees all the caterwailing that goes
  on. I smell a malicious intention.
  Uns.
 
 I am the moderator, as you know, and I haven't been sent anything. We don't
 know why the switch occurred. Someone may have complained to them that we
 are using cuss words and discussing adult topics, or it may even be an
 automatic switch because I have words like sexuality and homosexuality
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The person responsible for you starting TM

2005-12-11 Thread MDixon6569







In a message dated 12/11/05 1:39:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
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Yup.Do you know why she is responsible for you starting 
  TM?

wasn't she George Harrison's X who, I guess introduced George 
to Maharishi or got him to go to a TM lecture.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

2005-12-11 Thread authfriend

I don't know that you want to aquiesce in advance,
without any qualification, to imposing restrictions
on posts here, Rick.  That doesn't leave you with 
any wiggle room for negotiation.  How about, If you 
would like to suggest changes in the group
description or restrictions on posting language, 
I'll be happy to consider them?

Don't make it too clearly a quid pro quo, and don't
sound as though you're willing to rewrite the
description and clamp down on members according to
Yahoo's slightest whims (even if you would be if
push came to shove).  You're the aggrieved party
here, and you're willing to make some concessions,
but not to sell your soul--that's the impression 
you may want to try to convey, it seems to me.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My letter to Yahoo:
 
 I am the founder and moderator of FairfieldLife -
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/. As the group 
description
 indicates, we discuss a broad range of topics, but the discussions 
are
 generally related to spirituality. The group should be in the 
Religion 
 Beliefs  Spirituality category
 (http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/dir/Religion___Beliefs/Spirituality) 
and I
 think that's where I originally put it. But recently it was moved 
to the
 Romance_Relationships/Adult category
 (http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/dir/Romance___Relationships/Adult). I 
don't
 know whether a human Yahoo editor moved it or it was moved 
automatically
 because certain words were used in some post or because the words
 sexuality and homosexuality are used in the group description. 
Whatever
 the reason, romance, relationships and other adult topics are 
seldom, if
 ever, discussed on FairfieldLife. I would like to request that you 
reassign
 us to the Religion  Beliefs  Spirituality category. Being in the 
adult
 category is an undeserved handicap. Users can't access the group on 
public
 computers, such as in libraries, FairfieldLife no longer comes up 
in Find a
 Group searches within http://groups.yahoo.com/, and there are 
probably
 other problems that I haven't discovered yet. If you would like me 
to edit
 the group description or impose restrictions on members to prevent 
our being
 assigned to the adult category in the future, I would be happy to. 
Please
 notify me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you.
  
 Rick Archer
 
 I'll probably have to send this more than once, so if anyone wants 
to
 suggest changes or improvements, I'm open to them.
 
 
 on 12/11/05 10:20 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  on 12/11/05 9:36 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  It would be good if the Moderator is sent a copy of the email
  that Yahoo received to get FFL transferred from wherever
  it was to Romance_Relationships/Adult, which seems
  peposterous when one sees all the caterwailing that goes
  on. I smell a malicious intention.
  Uns.
  
  I am the moderator, as you know, and I haven't been sent 
anything. We don't
  know why the switch occurred. Someone may have complained to them 
that we
  are using cuss words and discussing adult topics, or it may 
even be an
  automatic switch because I have words like sexuality 
and homosexuality
  in the group description. I'm going to try to get to the bottom 
of it.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

2005-12-11 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
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  I am the moderator, as you know, and I haven't been sent anything.
  We don't know why the switch occurred.

I also think you could make more of the fact that you
weren't even accorded the courtesty of being notified
of the switch.  That really was utterly inexcusable.

One other thing...you might want to say something to
the effect that you're willing to bend a little because
you would really prefer that the group stay with Yahoo,
implying subtly that you can always take the group
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[FairfieldLife] Re: IAC Statement on Saddam Hussein's Trial

2005-12-11 Thread sparaig

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  Yeah, Let's put Saddam back in charge of his wonderful
  country and get on with the human drops from
  helicopters. There are just so, so many delicious ways
  to torture, maim and kill people!
  
 
   I thought that Saddam's use of wood chippers to change the minds of
 dissidents was particularly creative and enviromentally sensitive 
too
 
 

That's stillnot documented, as far as I know.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

2005-12-11 Thread sparaig

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 For some reason the bozos at Yahoo recently switched FFL¹s 
classification to
 the http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/dir/Romance___Relationships/Adult 
category.


Several messages over the last few months have been obviously x-rated, 
not just for use of words, but for content.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva-suutra of the day?

On Dec 11, 2005, at 2:17 PM, cardemaister wrote:Sorry, I don't actually quite understand what you mean by "abhoga = camatkara". It's hard to explain, but in the sudden realization of your identity with Shiva there is a sense of astonishment in this upaya--that's one of the reasons it is so direct. The teacher merely introduces the state and the student instantly recognizes it as his or her own nature.If you are not familiar with this style of transmission, it might not make any sense at all. It is said that the type of person who is ready for this type of transmission is already in the completely thought-free state when s/he approaches the teacher. There really is no path per se to traverse, no practices to undertake but relies entirely on the master's grace. That's why this Shambhava-upaya is for the few, it is only for the student who is of the highest evolution already.Each upaya/section/chapter of the shiva-sutra refers back to one encapsulating verse, in this case caitanyamatma (SS 1:1) -- "Universal Consciousness is one's own nature" is a "sudden" realization, not a gradual one; it encapsulates the Shambhava-upaya.

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[FairfieldLife] MSAE record, was Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

2005-12-11 Thread markmeredith2002

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 on 12/9/05 7:07 PM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  No, it's not changed. Although the brutally cynical posters on
  this board will 
  never acknowledge it, MSAE has a remarkable record of significant
  achievement. See the list compiled below, which I have taken from
  the MSAE 
  website. 
  
  Okay, maybe I'm shooting from the hip cause I'm jumping in on this
  thread, but is it so difficult to train or inspire kids to be high
  achievers?  I always had the impression that MSAE and the MIU
  community had something to prove with MSAE.  That even though we
  were fringe, we could out-achieve, out-perform the traditional
  segment.  And that this was a kind of mission.  Here's the true
  test.  How well adjusted are these kids?

As everywhere else, high-achievement and/or creative kids tend to come
from similar type family env'ts.  I've known several ru families here
who have taken their kids out of msae due to disappointment with the
loss of good teachers and fear of declining academics, but eventually
put their kids back because they felt the more nurturing env't at msae
allow their kid's unique talents to come out more.  A smart sensitive
and creative child from a stable ru home is likely to thrive at msae,
esp in extracurriculars.  Unfortunately the once great drama dept is
in decline due to the recent enforced separation of the genders. 
There are still some excellent devoted athletic coaches plus great
options like destination-imagination.  But due to demographic based
declining enrollment, this may be the last year for successful sports
teams.  Lots of unstable ru families here in ffd over the yrs which I
think was the main cause of the drug situation there, which was once
significant but seems to be way down now from what I hear.  If your
child has any sort of learning problem, they'll most likely be steered
out of msae and into the public school system, an advantage that all
private schools enjoy.

Regarding overall adjustment, msae kids who go on to normal colleges
seem to do just fine if not better than avg, but those who go onto mum
and stay within the coccon have been known to have superiority issues
and to wander around in life a bit.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The person responsible for you starting TM

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 12/11/05 1:39:29 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Yup.
 
 Do you know why she is responsible for you starting  TM?
 
 
 
 
 wasn't she George Harrison's X who, I guess introduced George  to 
Maharishi 
 or got him to go to a TM lecture.


...which led to alot of us starting TM.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The person responsible for you starting TM

on 12/11/05 1:38 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://home.att.ne.jp/green/slowhand/gallery/b90/07.JPG
 
 Who is that? Eric Clapton's wife?
 
 
 Yup.
 
 Do you know why she is responsible for you starting TM?

Did she introduce the Beatles to Maharishi?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

on 12/11/05 2:21 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Could it be the info in the files about sex and MMY?  I assumed that Tom had
 reported this 
 to the authorities.

Could be. Let's see if I get a response.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

on 12/11/05 3:03 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't know that you want to aquiesce in advance,
 without any qualification, to imposing restrictions
 on posts here, Rick.  That doesn't leave you with
 any wiggle room for negotiation.  How about, If you
 would like to suggest changes in the group
 description or restrictions on posting language,
 I'll be happy to consider them?
 
 Don't make it too clearly a quid pro quo, and don't
 sound as though you're willing to rewrite the
 description and clamp down on members according to
 Yahoo's slightest whims (even if you would be if
 push came to shove).  You're the aggrieved party
 here, and you're willing to make some concessions,
 but not to sell your soul--that's the impression
 you may want to try to convey, it seems to me.

I've already sent it, so we'll see. The concessions I had in mind were along
the lines of forbidding profanity. You would have to write f**k or s**t,
which people usually do anyway.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

on 12/11/05 3:09 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 snip
 I am the moderator, as you know, and I haven't been sent anything.
 We don't know why the switch occurred.
 
 I also think you could make more of the fact that you
 weren't even accorded the courtesty of being notified
 of the switch.  That really was utterly inexcusable.
 
 One other thing...you might want to say something to
 the effect that you're willing to bend a little because
 you would really prefer that the group stay with Yahoo,
 implying subtly that you can always take the group
 elsewhere if Yahoo is excessively rigid.

Good suggestion, although moving the group would mean losing the entire
archive. Also a lot of work moving file and photo sections, and emailing
1,030 members to tell them we've moved.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

on 12/11/05 3:32 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 For some reason the bozos at Yahoo recently switched FFL¹s
 classification to
 the http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/dir/Romance___Relationships/Adult
 category.
 
 
 Several messages over the last few months have been obviously x-rated,
 not just for use of words, but for content.

But that has been the case since the beginning, so either someone has
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[FairfieldLife] MSAE record, was Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

2005-12-11 Thread lurkernomore20002000

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip
 
 Regarding overall adjustment, msae kids who go on to normal colleges
 seem to do just fine if not better than avg, but those who go onto 
mum
 and stay within the coccon have been known to have superiority issues
 and to wander around in life a bit.

Thanks for feedback.  After I posted my question, it occurred to me 
that the primary factor in having well adjusted children is home life -
 always has been.  It is unrealistic to put this burden on teachers or 
a school.  My wife recently took a part time job at a private girls 
school.  The amount of work they put on the teachers compared with the 
compensation doesn't really match up. Really, I'm glad to get a 
generally positive assessment of the school.  Kinda jibes with 
Feste's.  Thanks.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

2005-12-11 Thread lurkernomore20002000

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 on 12/11/05 2:21 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Could it be the info in the files about sex and MMY?  I assumed 
that Tom had
  reported this 
  to the authorities.
 
 Yikes.  Tom's pall.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

2005-12-11 Thread lurkernomore20002000

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Good suggestion, although moving the group would mean losing the 
entire
 archive. Also a lot of work moving file and photo sections, and 
emailing
 1,030 members to tell them we've moved.

Is it just me, or does it seem that everything that works for me 
gets screwed up.  I mean, say you buy a certain tennis shoe at 
Walmart year in, year out.  One day you go in - they change the 
fit.  You have a favorite candy you buy regularly, then it gets 
taken off the market. Just little s**t like this, day in, day out.  
Now this hassle with Yahoo.  Just figures.  And it eats up a lot of 
the hosts time.

lurk 

P.S. I am not a victim.  I don't let this get to me.  You can't.  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The person responsible for you starting TM

2005-12-11 Thread MDixon6569







In a message dated 12/11/05 4:14:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  wasn't she George Harrison's X who, I guess introduced George to 
  Maharishi  or got him to go to a TM 
  lecturewhich led to alot of us starting 
TM.

Yes, George Harrison was my inspiration for starting 
TM.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

2005-12-11 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
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 on 12/11/05 3:09 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  snip
  I am the moderator, as you know, and I haven't been sent 
anything.
  We don't know why the switch occurred.
  
  I also think you could make more of the fact that you
  weren't even accorded the courtesty of being notified
  of the switch.  That really was utterly inexcusable.
  
  One other thing...you might want to say something to
  the effect that you're willing to bend a little because
  you would really prefer that the group stay with Yahoo,
  implying subtly that you can always take the group
  elsewhere if Yahoo is excessively rigid.
 
 Good suggestion, although moving the group would mean losing the
 entire archive. Also a lot of work moving file and photo sections, 
 and emailing 1,030 members to tell them we've moved.

Oh, sure, I just meant as a negotiating position.
You don't have to tell Yahoo exactly how strong
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

2005-12-11 Thread bbrigante

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  on 12/11/05 3:09 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
   snip
   I am the moderator, as you know, and I haven't been sent 
 anything.
   We don't know why the switch occurred.
   
   I also think you could make more of the fact that you
   weren't even accorded the courtesty of being notified
   of the switch.  That really was utterly inexcusable.
   
   One other thing...you might want to say something to
   the effect that you're willing to bend a little because
   you would really prefer that the group stay with Yahoo,
   implying subtly that you can always take the group
   elsewhere if Yahoo is excessively rigid.
  
  Good suggestion, although moving the group would mean losing the
  entire archive. Also a lot of work moving file and photo 
sections, 
  and emailing 1,030 members to tell them we've moved.
 
 Oh, sure, I just meant as a negotiating position.
 You don't have to tell Yahoo exactly how strong
 your preference for staying here is.  ;-)
 
*

It must have been because we were talking about bondage (and 
liberation)...actually moving to another host is unlikely to work 
because disgruntled people will just move their unhappy personas 
(with the cloud over their head, cartoon-like) to the new host.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

on 12/11/05 6:44 PM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Good suggestion, although moving the group would mean losing the
 entire
 archive. Also a lot of work moving file and photo sections, and
 emailing
 1,030 members to tell them we've moved.
 
 Is it just me, or does it seem that everything that works for me
 gets screwed up.  I mean, say you buy a certain tennis shoe at
 Walmart year in, year out.  One day you go in - they change the
 fit.  You have a favorite candy you buy regularly, then it gets
 taken off the market. Just little s**t like this, day in, day out.
 Now this hassle with Yahoo.  Just figures.  And it eats up a lot of
 the hosts time.

It's a minor annoyance to most of us but one fellow in the UK said he reads
FFL on a public library computer and can no longer get in because of its
adult classification. If this is the result of someone complaining to
Yahoo, then I'd say they have a serious case of if you don't play my way
I'm taking my football and going home syndrome. Multiply that tendency
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category



--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 on 12/11/05 3:32 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
  For some reason the bozos at Yahoo recently
 switched FFL¹s
  classification to
  the

http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/dir/Romance___Relationships/Adult
  category.
  
  
  Several messages over the last few months have
 been obviously x-rated,
  not just for use of words, but for content.
 
 But that has been the case since the beginning, so
 either someone has
 complained to them or they've improved their porn
 detection algorithm.

I think it could be ol' Tom P. up to his destructive
tricks.



 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

on 12/11/05 7:49 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 *
 
 It must have been because we were talking about bondage (and
 liberation).

It could be. A few years ago I tried to put the word bondage in the site
description, in the sense you've used it, and Yahoo wouldn't let me save the
description with that word in it. 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

Good letter, Rick

--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 My letter to Yahoo:
 
 I am the founder and moderator of FairfieldLife -
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/. As the
 group description
 indicates, we discuss a broad range of topics, but
 the discussions are
 generally related to spirituality. The group should
 be in the Religion 
 Beliefs  Spirituality category

(http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/dir/Religion___Beliefs/Spirituality)
 and I
 think that's where I originally put it. But recently
 it was moved to the
 Romance_Relationships/Adult category

(http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/dir/Romance___Relationships/Adult).
 I don't
 know whether a human Yahoo editor moved it or it was
 moved automatically
 because certain words were used in some post or
 because the words
 sexuality and homosexuality are used in the
 group description. Whatever
 the reason, romance, relationships and other adult
 topics are seldom, if
 ever, discussed on FairfieldLife. I would like to
 request that you reassign
 us to the Religion  Beliefs  Spirituality
 category. Being in the adult
 category is an undeserved handicap. Users can't
 access the group on public
 computers, such as in libraries, FairfieldLife no
 longer comes up in Find a
 Group searches within http://groups.yahoo.com/, and
 there are probably
 other problems that I haven't discovered yet. If you
 would like me to edit
 the group description or impose restrictions on
 members to prevent our being
 assigned to the adult category in the future, I
 would be happy to. Please
 notify me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you.
  
 Rick Archer
 
 I'll probably have to send this more than once, so
 if anyone wants to
 suggest changes or improvements, I'm open to them.
 
 
 on 12/11/05 10:20 AM, Rick Archer at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  on 12/11/05 9:36 AM, uns_tressor at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  It would be good if the Moderator is sent a copy
 of the email
  that Yahoo received to get FFL transferred from
 wherever
  it was to Romance_Relationships/Adult, which
 seems
  peposterous when one sees all the caterwailing
 that goes
  on. I smell a malicious intention.
  Uns.
  
  I am the moderator, as you know, and I haven't
 been sent anything. We don't
  know why the switch occurred. Someone may have
 complained to them that we
  are using cuss words and discussing adult
 topics, or it may even be an
  automatic switch because I have words like
 sexuality and homosexuality
  in the group description. I'm going to try to get
 to the bottom of it. 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] 13th annual Children's Holiday Benefit Concert

Dearest Friends,

You are cordially invited to the 13th annual Children's Holiday  Benefit
Concert, this coming Friday and Saturday nights, December 16  and 17, 8:00
p.m. at Morning Star Studio. This folk-rock show will  feature Jonas
Magram, Michelle Mook, Greg Wadsworth, Tim Duffy, Sarah  Hawthorne, Tim
Laughrin, Tim Britton, Kevin Farley, and special guest  Lee Anne Blackmore.

The evening's music will include several of Jonas' original songs,
including Pledge to Our Love, a song written for his wife Sandy,  Jake's
Song, about a father's eternal love for his child, Tea  Drinkin‚ Man, a
rousing country tribute to the benefits of tea, and I  Want to Be Like You,
Glory Glory, I Am, Dancing in the Light, and  Mother Take Us There, all
songs celebrating life on the spiritual  path. Other favorites will include
Long Black Veil (the Band),  Freedom (Richie Havens), You Raise Me Up (Josh
Groban), and Love Is a  Rose (Linda Ronstadt), among others.

All proceeds from this year's show will benefit the Jefferson County
Resource Center, the Ottumwa Women's Crisis Center, and Airline
Ambassadors. Tickets are just $7 for adults and $5 for students and  will
be available at the door.

Please feel free to forward this email to anyone you think might be
interested in this evening of great fun and great music, all for a  great
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: HaHo9?



--- hanumanhoffman9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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  --- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 cardemaister
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   

Is Hanuman Hoffman Nine a (former) TMer?
   
   Hanuman, you've had some time to answer, but I
 see
   no reply. In your silence I'll respond for 
   you, if I may.
   
   The answer is Yes! And I imagine the former
 part
   applies.
  
  He's a former Fairfield resident that now runs a
 party
  favor and sodding business out of Clearwater,
 Florida.
  He also plays the fiddle in a jug band called
 Biscuit
  Sauce.
  
 
 To whom are you referring in the above statement?
 Obviously not the person in question has he has
 never been to Clearwater.
 
 Om Shanti.
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

2005-12-11 Thread bbrigante

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 12/11/05 6:44 PM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Good suggestion, although moving the group would mean losing the
  entire
  archive. Also a lot of work moving file and photo sections, and
  emailing
  1,030 members to tell them we've moved.
  
  Is it just me, or does it seem that everything that works for 
me
  gets screwed up.  I mean, say you buy a certain tennis shoe at
  Walmart year in, year out.  One day you go in - they change the
  fit.  You have a favorite candy you buy regularly, then it gets
  taken off the market. Just little s**t like this, day in, day 
out.
  Now this hassle with Yahoo.  Just figures.  And it eats up a lot 
of
  the hosts time.
 

 It's a minor annoyance to most of us but one fellow in the UK said 
he reads
 FFL on a public library computer and can no longer get in because 
of its
 adult classification. If this is the result of someone 
complaining to
 Yahoo, then I'd say they have a serious case of if you don't play 
my way
 I'm taking my football and going home syndrome. Multiply that 
tendency
 1,000 times and you have a terrorist blowing up innocent people.


The likely suspect has posted here that he was born with a birth 
defect, which is apparently why he has a permanent hardon against 
the world...hopefully before this incarnation fizzles out he will 
understand that he alone is responsible for cripple karma.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The person responsible for you starting TM