[FairfieldLife] Italy!?

2006-09-23 Thread cardemaister

http://lloyd.emich.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9610L=indologyH=1P=7002

If you can read Italian, I might recommend my own version:

_Aforismi dello Yoga (YogasUtra)_. Con il commentario rAjamArtaNDa di
Bhoja (a cura di Paolo Magnone), Torino, Promolibri, 1991

where hopefully I have made a better job of it!

With best wishes,

   Paolo Magnone
   Catholic University of Milan







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Guru Papers by Kramer

2006-09-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Posted a few years ago but worth reading again.
 
 Excerpt from The Guru Papers:
 
 Most cults follow a predictable progression of two distinct stages,
 which indicates that what is involved is more a function of how
 authoritarian structures work than of the particular teachings of a
 given guru.
 
 This first stage is messianic with the message being that all labors
 of the organization, including the guru's, are aimed at a higher
 purpose beyond the group, such as saving mankind. 
 
 . . .
 
 A time inevitably comes when the popularity and power of the group
 plateaus and then begins to wane. Eventually it becomes obvious that
 the guru is not going to take over the world, at least not in the
 immediate future. When the realization comes that humanity is too
 stupid or blind to acknowledge that higher authority and wisdom 
 of the guru, the apocalyptic phase enters and the party is over...

Indeed. *Well* worth reading again.

What *IS* this tendency in human beings that seems 
to cause their spiritual and religious movements 
first to expand and focus on selfless service, and 
then later to contract and focus instead on self 
importance?  

If we ever figured that out, we might be able to 
create an alternative to this sad trend.








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[FairfieldLife] OT Shulba suutras

2006-09-23 Thread cardemaister
1 zulba [shulba -- C.] or n. (accord. to some also m. and %{a} or %
{I} f.) a string , cord , rope S3rS. Su1ryas. BhP. 


http://tinyurl.com/ef7or

In light of recent evidence and more accurate dating it has been even 
more strongly claimed by A Seidenberg (in S Kak) that: 

...Indian geometry and mathematics pre-dates Babylonian and Greek 
mathematics. [SK1, P 338] 

This may be a somewhat extreme standpoint, and it seems likely that 
there was traffic of ideas in all directions of the Ancient world, 
but there is little doubt that the vast majority of Indian work is 
original to its writers. It may lack the cold logic and truly 
abstract character of modern mathematics but this observation further 
helps to identify it as uniquely Indian. Of all the mathematics 
contained in the Vedangas it is the definite appearance of decimal 
symbols for numerals and a place value system that should perhaps be 
considered the most phenomenal.







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[FairfieldLife] 'Another Bloody Day In Babylon/Baghdad/Iraq- 09-22-2006

2006-09-23 Thread Robert Gimbel
Explosion kills at least 32 in Baghdad's Sadr City neighborhood

Friday, September 22, 2006 

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A bomb blew up a kerosene tanker truck in Baghdad's 
Sadr City neighborhood on Saturday, killing at least 32 people, 
police said.

Another 38 people were wounded by the 10 a.m. (0600 GMT) blast in the 
sprawling Shiite slum. People frantically carried survivors from the 
narrow muddy street to ambulances, and hauled away bodies in blankets.

The bomb was hidden in a barrel near the tanker, where scores of 
people were waiting to buy fuel, said police Col. Saad Abdul-Sada.

A crowd of people was gathered behind the truck, with a long line 
down the street when the bomb exploded, Abdul-Sada said. There were 
more people on hand than usual as families sought to stock up on fuel 
for the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, he said.

In the aftermath of the blast, sandals of all sizes littered the 
ground, scattered around a large pool of water mixed with blood.

I swear to Allah that this is a revenge against Sadr City, a young 
man yelled, raising his hands in the air. Where is (Prime Minister 
Nouri) al-Maliki's government?

Seventeen women were among the dead, Abdul-Sada said, adding that 
casualties were expected to rise.

Sadr City is home to more than two million people and a stronghold of 
the Mahdi army - a Shiite militia loyal to radical cleric Muqtada al-
Sadr.







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[FairfieldLife] The Irish plumber's/Welsh car mechanic's take on levitation

2006-09-23 Thread cardemaister

Levitation in accomplished by a very special
form of breathing which actually raises the
frequency of the body's molecular oscillations,
so that it is able to induce a form of contra-
gravity.

Tuesday Lobsang Rampa, Wisdom of the Ancients





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Irish plumber's/Welsh car mechanic's take on levitation

2006-09-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Levitation in accomplished by a very special
 form of breathing which actually raises the
 frequency of the body's molecular oscillations,
 so that it is able to induce a form of contra-
 gravity.
 
 Tuesday Lobsang Rampa, Wisdom of the Ancients


Yogananda refers to subtle pranayamas that bring about levitation, so this 
isn't unheard 
of. 

I think its because the verses in the Yogatattva Upanishads about levitation 
follow verses 
about pranayama. Howeer, the description of suuspended breathing sounds like a 
description of samadhi during TM, so it is unclear to me if physical pranayama 
practice is 
being discussed by the time the levitation verses are being described:


 32. Then assuming Padma posture, he should practise Pranayama. He should erect 
a 
beautiful monastery with a very small opening and with no crevices.
   33. It should be well pasted with cow-dung or with white cement. It should 
be carefully 
freed from bugs, mosquitoes and lice.
   34. It should be swept well every day with a broom. It should be perfumed 
with good 
odours; and fragrant resins should burn in it.
   35-36(a). Having taken his seat neither too high nor too low on a cloth, 
deer-skin and 
Kusa grass spread, one over the other, the wise man should assume the Padma 
posture 
and keeping his body erect and his hands folded in respect, should salute his 
tutelary 
deity.
   36(b)-40. Then closing the right nostril with his right thumb, he should 
gradually draw 
in the air through the left nostril. Having restrained it as long as possible, 
he should again 
expel it through the right nostril slowly and not very fast. Then filling the 
stomach through 
the right nostril, he should retain it as long as he can and then expel it 
through the left 
nostril. Drawing the air through that nostril by which he expels, he should 
continue this in 
uninterrupted succession. The time taken in making a round of the knee with the 
palm of 
the hand, neither very slowly nor vary rapidly and snapping the fingers once is 
called a 
Matra. 
   41-44. Drawing the air through the left nostril for about sixteen Matras and 
having 
retained it (within) for about sixty-four Matras, one should expel it again 
through the right 
nostril for about thirty-two Matras. Again fill the right nostril as before 
(and continue the 
rest). Practise cessation of breath four times daily (viz.,) at sunrise, noon, 
sunset and 
midnight, till eighty (times are reached). By a continual practice for about 
three months, 
the purification of the Nadis takes place. When the Nadis have become purified, 
certain 
external signs appear on the body of the Yogin.
   45-46(a). I shall proceed to describe them. (They are) lightness of the 
body, brilliancy of 
complexion, increase of the gastric fire, leanness of the body and along with 
these, 
absence of restlessness in the body.
   46(b)-49. The proficient in Yoga should abandon the food detrimental to the 
practice of 
Yoga. He should give up salt, mustard; things sour, hot, pungent, or bitter 
vegetables; 
asafoetida, etc., worship of fire, women, walking, bathing at sunrise, 
emaciation of the 
body by fasts, etc. During the early stages of practice, food of milk and ghee 
is ordained; 
also food consisting of wheat, green pulse and red rice are said to favour the 
progress. 
Then he will be able to retain his breath as long as he likes.
   50-53. By thus retaining the breath as long as he likes, Kevala Kumbhaka 
(cessation of 
breath without inspiration and expiration) is attained. When Kevala Kumbhaka is 
attained 
by one and thus expiration and inspiration are dispensed with, there is nothing 
unattainable in the three worlds to him. In the commencement (of his practice), 
sweat is 
given out; he should wipe it off. Even after that, owing to the retaining of 
the breath, the 
person practising it gets phlegm. Then by an increased practice of Dharana, 
sweat arises. 
   54. As a frog moves by leaps, so the Yogin sitting in the Padma posture 
moves on the 
earth. With a (further) increased practice, he is able to rise from the ground.
   55. He, while seated in Padma posture, levitates. There arises to him the 
power to 
perform extraordinary feats.
   56. He does (or should) not disclose to others his feats of great powers (in 
the path). Any 
pain small or great, does not affect the Yogin.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Irish plumber's/Welsh car mechanic's take on levitation

2006-09-23 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 given out; he should wipe it off. Even after that, owing to the 
retaining of the breath, the 
 person practising it gets phlegm. Then by an increased practice of 
Dharana, sweat arises. 

The original goes like this:

tato.api dhaaraNaadvaayoH krameNaiva shanaiH shanaiH .
kampo bhavati dehasya aasanasthasya dehinaH .. 52..

Kampo (sandhi for kampaH before a voiced consonant)
seems to mean 'trembling', not 'sweat':

1 kampa m. trembling , tremor , trembling motion , shaking MBh. 
Sus3r. c. ; earthquake (cf. %{bhUmi-kampa} , %{mahI-k-} , c.) ; 

But I think there's a broken phrase like this (otherwise
dhaaraNaadvaayoH doesn't seem to make any sense):

dhaarNaat; vaayoHkampaH; bhavati -- that is, the breathing
(here vaayu; genitive sing: vaayoH) becomes trembling(?). 
(from dhaaraNaa breathing's...trembling[?] becomes).
The syntax might even be so weird that there's a second
genitive attribute dehasya, thus it might refer to both
breathing and the trembling of the body. If that's not the
case I don't know how to make sense of dehasya in that
sentence. [shucks]...But of course, in addition to being
genitive, vaayóH could also be, I believe, ablative...AARRGGGH! :)











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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread vajradhatu108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sep 22, 2006, at 9:17 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  Would somebody who gets these posts via email and
  can see Durese's complete email address post it here
  using workarounds to keep Yahoo from truncating it,
  please?  I'd really like to drop her a note
  complimenting her on this piece.
 
 You can find her on her Yahoo group, Fairfield Community Kiosk.
 
 Sal



Was she the one of the FF enlightened who failed the Fred Travis 
enlightenment report card? 
For some reason I was thinking it was her.

IIRC her list was originally set up as an antidote to the negativity of FFL.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 23, 2006, at 8:14 AM, vajradhatu108 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:

 On Sep 22, 2006, at 9:17 PM, authfriend wrote:

 Would somebody who gets these posts via email and
 can see Durese's complete email address post it here
 using workarounds to keep Yahoo from truncating it,
 please?  I'd really like to drop her a note
 complimenting her on this piece.

 You can find her on her Yahoo group, Fairfield Community Kiosk.

 Sal



 Was she the one of the FF enlightened who failed the Fred Travis 
 enlightenment report card?
 For some reason I was thinking it was her.
Hmm, don't know.

 IIRC her list was originally set up as an antidote to the negativity 
 of FFL.

That's the one.   And anyone who *isn't* positive gets summarily tossed.

Sal



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[FairfieldLife] Do less accomplish more?

2006-09-23 Thread off_world_beings
You have GOT to watch this !

INCREDIBLE ! ! !
http://tinyurl.com/pag9r







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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread Peter
Oh my God, her! She's an immature mood-maker supreme
who wears army boots.

--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 www.iowasource.com
 Fairfield, Iowa
 The Domes Revisited: A Personal Essay About the
 Golden Domes
 
 Fairfield: Home to over 2,000 Transcendental
 Meditation practitioners and
 Maharishi University of Management
 
 BY ROSES DERISE (formerly Sharalyn Harris, who used
 to post here)
 
 Silence. Many people think of silence as a
 problem-the awkwardness when
 conversation grinds to an embarrassing halt, a
 mother's sense of trouble
 when the kids go quiet, the media announcer's
 frantic attempt to fill up air
 time with anything other than nothingness.
 
 But as meditators, we know silence as something
 altogether different. To
 call it bliss seems trite, but even as a writer I
 fail to find an adequate
 description for that sweet spot inside so still that
 even breath causes
 ripples in it, that oasis hidden on the dark side of
 the moon, that place
 inside us where we flirt with genesis. Whatever name
 we give to inner
 silence, I've learned that the best place to find it
 is in the domes in
 Fairfield.
 
 We didn't have domes when I learned yogic flying in
 1978 on the first MUM
 student's course. We'd heard whispers about flying,
 but I don't think we
 really believed it, not even when we saw sheets of
 foam spread on the
 pod-house floors.
 
 But on that magical summer, almost before we had
 time to close our eyes, the
 woman next to me popped up with an astonished oh!
 as if someone had goosed
 her. Like a pot at the boiling point, the room
 fairly steamed with
 intermittent stifled gasps and giggles as more of us
 experienced that
 sudden, bubble-like lifting into the air. We learned
 that the foam was to
 soften the landing.
 
 After the course, we did programs alone. A few
 months later, a message came
 that Maharishi wanted everyone to meet in the
 fieldhouse. It felt like a
 secret-service mission as we almost tiptoed into
 that stodgy, dark building,
 finding the basketball court covered with foam.
 
 What an adventure! We seemed less about silence then
 than noise and
 exuberance. We were filled with a sense of wonder
 and daring as we made
 great leaps and wild sounds like fledgling giants
 testing their reach. We
 watched the stock market and world news go up and
 down, depending upon our
 numbers. I have never lost my sense of sadness that
 on the one day we did
 not do program together, the day of my graduation in
 1979 when they took up
 the foam for commencement, an airplane crashed
 killing 271 people, the only
 such accident in months before or after.
 
 After graduation, I left Fairfield. While I was
 gone, Maharishi himself
 inaugurated the 22,000 square feet (approximately
 the size of a football
 field) dome, called the Maharishi Patanjali Hall of
 Knowledge, in 1980. On
 returning, the enormity of it, the sheer volume of
 space from floor to
 ceiling, reminded me of the mothership in Close
 Encounters of the Third
 Kind. Tongue-in-groove wood ceiling, central
 skylights, red carpets, and
 gold velvet drapes covering more than a hundred
 arched windows all served to
 bring new heights to the depths of silence.
 
 I felt jealous because it had been built for the
 men, feeling only somewhat
 mollified when women got to use it on alternative
 months. At first, I felt
 traumatized by the segregation of the sexes. But the
 oscillation between
 dome and fieldhouse taught me what no amount of
 lecturing could have about
 why segregation was useful. It wasn't for arbitrary
 puritanical standards
 but because we were different. Where the guys had
 been for a month, it
 smelled like a locker room. Nice smell, actually,
 but it had a different
 energy, a more forceful kind that I began to
 identify as distinctly
 masculine as compared to our softer, feminine
 energy. It left me with a
 greater appreciation for both sexes and a longing
 for the completion of the
 women's dome, the Bagambhrini Hall of Knowledge, the
 twin to Patanjali.
 
 Looking up at the stars through its open rafters
 during construction, I was
 aware that, with every nail and board, history was
 being made. When we got
 to fly in it for the first time, in December 1981,
 it felt like coming home
 to a new level of silence.
 
 The pattern was clear-there was deeper silence in
 the fieldhouse than alone,
 more in Patanjali than the fieldhouse, and more for
 me, as a woman, in the
 women's dome.
 
 But while inner silence had increased, the outer
 level had gotten out of
 hand. Before program, hundreds of us gossiped in
 loud whispers against a
 background litany of microphone announcements and
 security procedures. Noise
 may not be a barrier to meditation, but during
 program there was so much
 coughing, clanking of keys, and rustling clothing
 that when I had to leave
 again in 1987, I looked forward to doing program
 alone.
 
 The Power of Flying in a Group
 
 But on returning to Fairfield ten years later, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Oh my God, her! She's an immature mood-maker supreme
 who wears army boots.


Your muddah wears army boots!



 
 --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  www.iowasource.com
  Fairfield, Iowa
  The Domes Revisited: A Personal Essay About the
  Golden Domes
  
  Fairfield: Home to over 2,000 Transcendental
  Meditation practitioners and
  Maharishi University of Management
  
  BY ROSES DERISE (formerly Sharalyn Harris, who used
  to post here)
  
  Silence. Many people think of silence as a
  problem-the awkwardness when
  conversation grinds to an embarrassing halt, a
  mother's sense of trouble
  when the kids go quiet, the media announcer's
  frantic attempt to fill up air
  time with anything other than nothingness.
  
  But as meditators, we know silence as something
  altogether different. To
  call it bliss seems trite, but even as a writer I
  fail to find an adequate
  description for that sweet spot inside so still that
  even breath causes
  ripples in it, that oasis hidden on the dark side of
  the moon, that place
  inside us where we flirt with genesis. Whatever name
  we give to inner
  silence, I've learned that the best place to find it
  is in the domes in
  Fairfield.
  
  We didn't have domes when I learned yogic flying in
  1978 on the first MUM
  student's course. We'd heard whispers about flying,
  but I don't think we
  really believed it, not even when we saw sheets of
  foam spread on the
  pod-house floors.
  
  But on that magical summer, almost before we had
  time to close our eyes, the
  woman next to me popped up with an astonished oh!
  as if someone had goosed
  her. Like a pot at the boiling point, the room
  fairly steamed with
  intermittent stifled gasps and giggles as more of us
  experienced that
  sudden, bubble-like lifting into the air. We learned
  that the foam was to
  soften the landing.
  
  After the course, we did programs alone. A few
  months later, a message came
  that Maharishi wanted everyone to meet in the
  fieldhouse. It felt like a
  secret-service mission as we almost tiptoed into
  that stodgy, dark building,
  finding the basketball court covered with foam.
  
  What an adventure! We seemed less about silence then
  than noise and
  exuberance. We were filled with a sense of wonder
  and daring as we made
  great leaps and wild sounds like fledgling giants
  testing their reach. We
  watched the stock market and world news go up and
  down, depending upon our
  numbers. I have never lost my sense of sadness that
  on the one day we did
  not do program together, the day of my graduation in
  1979 when they took up
  the foam for commencement, an airplane crashed
  killing 271 people, the only
  such accident in months before or after.
  
  After graduation, I left Fairfield. While I was
  gone, Maharishi himself
  inaugurated the 22,000 square feet (approximately
  the size of a football
  field) dome, called the Maharishi Patanjali Hall of
  Knowledge, in 1980. On
  returning, the enormity of it, the sheer volume of
  space from floor to
  ceiling, reminded me of the mothership in Close
  Encounters of the Third
  Kind. Tongue-in-groove wood ceiling, central
  skylights, red carpets, and
  gold velvet drapes covering more than a hundred
  arched windows all served to
  bring new heights to the depths of silence.
  
  I felt jealous because it had been built for the
  men, feeling only somewhat
  mollified when women got to use it on alternative
  months. At first, I felt
  traumatized by the segregation of the sexes. But the
  oscillation between
  dome and fieldhouse taught me what no amount of
  lecturing could have about
  why segregation was useful. It wasn't for arbitrary
  puritanical standards
  but because we were different. Where the guys had
  been for a month, it
  smelled like a locker room. Nice smell, actually,
  but it had a different
  energy, a more forceful kind that I began to
  identify as distinctly
  masculine as compared to our softer, feminine
  energy. It left me with a
  greater appreciation for both sexes and a longing
  for the completion of the
  women's dome, the Bagambhrini Hall of Knowledge, the
  twin to Patanjali.
  
  Looking up at the stars through its open rafters
  during construction, I was
  aware that, with every nail and board, history was
  being made. When we got
  to fly in it for the first time, in December 1981,
  it felt like coming home
  to a new level of silence.
  
  The pattern was clear-there was deeper silence in
  the fieldhouse than alone,
  more in Patanjali than the fieldhouse, and more for
  me, as a woman, in the
  women's dome.
  
  But while inner silence had increased, the outer
  level had gotten out of
  hand. Before program, hundreds of us gossiped in
  loud whispers against a
  background litany of microphone announcements and
  security procedures. Noise
  may not be a barrier to meditation, but 

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread Sal Sunshine
Now, now Dr. Pete--that's negative!
Sal

On Sep 23, 2006, at 9:55 AM, Peter wrote:

 Oh my God, her! She's an immature mood-maker supreme
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread authfriend
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Nevertheless, she's a good writer, if it was she who
actually wrote this piece.  Maybe a little heavy on
the poetic metaphors, but otherwise it's really well
done, and she certainly makes her experiences sound
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited





on 9/23/06 8:14 AM, vajradhatu108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sep 22, 2006, at 9:17 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  Would somebody who gets these posts via email and
  can see Durese's complete email address post it here
  using workarounds to keep Yahoo from truncating it,
  please? I'd really like to drop her a note
  complimenting her on this piece.
 
 You can find her on her Yahoo group, Fairfield Community Kiosk.
 
 Sal


Was she the one of the FF enlightened who failed the Fred Travis enlightenment report card? 
For some reason I was thinking it was her.

She did have an awakening. Dont know if Fred studied her.

IIRC her list was originally set up as an antidote to the negativity of FFL.

 it was doomed by its acronym: FCK


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[FairfieldLife] Free Rounding!: Response Then and Now

2006-09-23 Thread new . morning
With the $500 stipend for room, board and incidentals, and free
tuition, I bgan to think of how I and my SIMS friends would have
reacted in the early 70's: Packed and out the door, running! This
contrasts with today's limp response. Why.

I think a major difference is back then, we were in our 20's fluid,
without roots or responsibilities, and could leave school, jobs or
hanging out, with great alactrity, if not electricity. Even with no
internet or cell phones, and expensive long distance rates, word of
such a course would have spread like wild fire. 2000+ would have
amassed on FF faster than the blitzkreig. 

Others can make the case for disillusionment with the TMO, broken past
promises, and uneven applicaion of dome admittance rules. Those are
factors also. But I suggest the age cohorts of the TMO, now and then,
are the far more germaine underlying driver of different participion
rates, now and then.

And i have been thinking of how fast SIMS grew from nothing. Peter
Wallace, travelling hippie style, wandered in to the Rishikesh ashram
and was taught TM, in 1965 or so. He returned to LA, told his younger
brother Keith about how awesome TM was, they told friends -- like
Karen Blasdale -- and got a young SRM initiatiator named Jerry Jarvis
to give a lecture at UCLA. It grew rapidly by word of mouth. Word
spread to Berekely, courses were given, it blossomed. All pre-Beatles. 

SIMS was growing very rapidly, without theBeatles. If instead of the
Beatles starting, a 12 month free course had bee offered for the first
2000 to sign up, I think it would have soon been flooded. Sudents,
first in California, then other universities, would have been banging
on the door so they could start TM and then get the heavy juice at
the 12 month FREE course.   

Or if you are skeptical of that scenario, the Beatles left MMY in
Spring of 1968. Rejected him. If the Beatles effect was so powerful,
it should have squashed the growth of SIMS. But SIMS grew hugely
68-72. And by 72, 2000-3000 students were in Mallorca/Fuiggi. All
pre-siddhis. 

A new SIMS army of TMers and long-course wannabes could arise almost
overnight, as it did in the 60's. The only blockage I see to a
neo-SIMS flood  is the 2500 TM fee. $600 if a whole school does it,
but thats a hard one, IMO. (30% of a school, no problem. 100% yes, a
problem). 

If the TMO dropped SIMS rates to $400, perhaps tying it to FF course
application, soon they would be flooded once word got out, and
students got it. Heck, just give free TM scholarships to all the
students who attended the Lynch lectures, and that could be the kernal
to start it all. A blazing bonfire of 2000+ SIMSers rushing to the
FREE course. 

With 2000 SIMSers, plus 1000 or so regulars in FF now, 3000 full
program 8-hour YFers would I suspect, really have some juice, really
have an impact. And this light' could make older 60's SIMSers wake up
and want to Go to the Course. Another 2000 or so 60's SIMSers could
easily decide to take a years sabatical, vacation, early retirement,
etc. if things were really popping in FF. So with 3000+ 2000 = 5000
full time YF, it could then really begin to snowball. Bono might even
show up :)

Regarding a neo-SIMS, some will say, well, sure, but when they dig a
bit deeper, they will run of the hills when they hear of rajas,
eastern entrances, yagyas, etc. I disagree. As far as entrances and
yagyas, many will respond (in their venacular), as 60's students would
have, HEAVY! Does this get any more far out!. And why should the
raja's scare students if say HHDL doesn't.

To me its amazing. i am a jaded old SIMSer. But, rembering the spark
and wildfire effect of great courses, in the early 70's, I think we
might be very close to that now. To me the major hurdle is the SIMS TM
fee. 2000 students x $2000 fee reduction is only $4mil. Either SIMS
bite the bullet (It would still make $1mil of fees for 2000 students
at $500 -- far more than its making now on students) or someone donate
$4Mil. The Lynch foundation perhaps. 

For the first time in ages, I'm stoked! A BIG course could be close.
Or very far. Its at a tipping point. As may be a real core
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/23/06 8:14 AM, vajradhatu108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
  , Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote:
  
   On Sep 22, 2006, at 9:17 PM, authfriend wrote:
   
Would somebody who gets these posts via email and
can see Durese's complete email address post it here
using workarounds to keep Yahoo from truncating it,
please?  I'd really like to drop her a note
complimenting her on this piece.
   
   You can find her on her Yahoo group, Fairfield Community Kiosk.
   
   Sal
  
  
  Was she the one of the FF enlightened who failed the Fred Travis
  enlightenment report card?
  For some reason I was thinking it was her.
  
 She did have an awakening. Don¹t know if Fred studied her.
  
  IIRC her list was originally set up as an antidote to the
negativity of FFL.
  
  it was doomed by its acronym: FCK


Only to those who don't like to FCK. :)

Or shrivel upon hearing the word. (And I thought we were all
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread lurkernomore20002000
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I tried three times to get through it. Just couldn't do it.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: If Only Steve Irwin had Become a TM Teacher.

2006-09-23 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The World Plan would haev been accomplished years ago.
 
 With full Steve Irwin passion and enthusiasm:
 
 Kreiky! 

snip

 Kreiky

Well look at it this way.  Doug Henning did just what you play acted 
for Steve Irwin.  And it looks like they ended up in the same place, 
at about the same time in their lives.  At least Krieky went doing 
what he did best.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Guru Papers by Kramer

2006-09-23 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What *IS* this tendency in human beings that seems 
 to cause their spiritual and religious movements 
 first to expand and focus on selfless service, and 
 then later to contract and focus instead on self 
 importance?  

I think of it as the lessons for living on planet earth. The self 
contained multiverse we live in is governed by a specific level of 
consciousness that creates a near infinite but clearly defined number 
of possibilities. All things here are theoretically possible, though 
some like breathing are common, and others like breathing underwater 
are rare. The best thing to do is gain our freedom here and see what is 
next. The earth will always be a wonderful way station on our 
continuous journey from world to world to world.
 
 If we ever figured that out, we might be able to 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
 
  Oh my God, her! She's an immature mood-maker supreme
  who wears army boots.
 
 I tried three times to get through it. Just couldn't do it.

Ditto. Each time, I couldn't get past:

I have never lost my sense of sadness that on the 
one day we did not do program together, the day of 
my graduation in 1979 when they took up the foam 
for commencement, an airplane crashed killing 271 
people, the only such accident in months before or 
after.

Self importance squared. 







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If Only Steve Irwin had Become a TM Teacher.

2006-09-23 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/23/06 12:16:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote: The World Plan 
  would haev been accomplished years ago.  With full Steve Irwin 
  passion and enthusiasm:  "Kreiky! snip 
  Kreiky"Well look at it this way. Doug Henning did just what you play 
  acted for Steve Irwin. And it looks like they ended up in the same place, 
  at about the same time in their lives. At least "Krieky" went doing 
  what he did best.lurk 

I'm picturing Steve Irwin wrestling a person to the ground and yelling 
"Krieky" in the right ear and then pinning them to the ground till they 
transcend .
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Rounding!: Response Then and Now

2006-09-23 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Rounding!: Response Then and Now





On 9/23/06 11:02 AM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If the TMO dropped SIMS rates to $400, perhaps tying it to FF course
application, soon they would be flooded once word got out, and
students got it. Heck, just give free TM scholarships to all the
students who attended the Lynch lectures, and that could be the kernal
to start it all. A blazing bonfire of 2000+ SIMSers rushing to the
FREE course. 

College kids these days arent spiritual seeks, by and large. Theyre on a career track and not many are going to rush off to spend 8 hours a day meditating.

Regarding a neo-SIMS, some will say, well, sure, but when they dig a
bit deeper, they will run of the hills when they hear of rajas,
eastern entrances, yagyas, etc. I disagree. As far as entrances and
yagyas, many will respond (in their venacular), as 60's students would
have, HEAVY! Does this get any more far out!. And why should the
raja's scare students if say HHDL doesn't.

Because hes sincere, compassionate, unassuming, down-to-earth, and honest. People have become hip to and afraid of cults in the past 40 years and arent going to adjust to the rajas.

For the first time in ages, I'm stoked! A BIG course could be close.
Or very far. Its at a tipping point. As may be a real core
transformation of the world. 

 or not.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vajradhatu108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote:
 
  On Sep 22, 2006, at 9:17 PM, authfriend wrote:
  
   Would somebody who gets these posts via email and
   can see Durese's complete email address post it here
   using workarounds to keep Yahoo from truncating it,
   please?  I'd really like to drop her a note
   complimenting her on this piece.
  
  You can find her on her Yahoo group, Fairfield Community Kiosk.
  
  Sal
 
 
 
 Was she the one of the FF enlightened who failed the Fred Travis 
 enlightenment report 
card? 

When was that?

 For some reason I was thinking it was her.
 
 IIRC her list was originally set up as an antidote to the negativity of FFL.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited





on 9/23/06 12:21 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , lurkernomore20002000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
 
  Oh my God, her! She's an immature mood-maker supreme
  who wears army boots.
 
 I tried three times to get through it. Just couldn't do it.

Ditto. Each time, I couldn't get past:

I have never lost my sense of sadness that on the 
one day we did not do program together, the day of 
my graduation in 1979 when they took up the foam 
for commencement, an airplane crashed killing 271 
people, the only such accident in months before or 
after.

We did program that day. The crash was in Sioux City, Iowa. A United flight from Denver to Chicago which developed mechanical trouble. I remember someone telling Gregg Wilson about it as I was walking into the dome that evening for program.

These days the domenuts are claiming credit for the mild hurricane season. No mention of the 37 tornados that touched down in the Midwest yesterday.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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I tried three times to get through it. Just couldn't do it.
 
 Ditto. Each time, I couldn't get past:
 
 I have never lost my sense of sadness that on the 
 one day we did not do program together, the day of 
 my graduation in 1979 when they took up the foam 
 for commencement, an airplane crashed killing 271 
 people, the only such accident in months before or 
 after.
 
 Self importance squared.

I'm not laughing at this event. But, yea, you nailed it.  This 
leaves me speecless, but not laughless.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: If Only Steve Irwin had Become a TM Teacher.

2006-09-23 Thread lurkernomore20002000
 At least Krieky went doing  
 what he did best.

snip
 

I'm picturing Steve Irwin wrestling a person to the ground and 
yelling  
 Krieky in the right ear and then pinning them to the ground till 
they  transcend .

That's good Dix.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 23, 2006, at 12:21 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:

 Oh my God, her! She's an immature mood-maker supreme
 who wears army boots.

 I tried three times to get through it. Just couldn't do it.

 Ditto. Each time, I couldn't get past:

 I have never lost my sense of sadness that on the
 one day we did not do program together, the day of
 my graduation in 1979 when they took up the foam
 for commencement, an airplane crashed killing 271
 people, the only such accident in months before or
 after.

 Self importance squared.


No kidding.  I believe that might be a reference to a terrible crash in 
Chicago, which stunned everyone.  What incredibly tortured logic to use 
that as some kind of 'proof' of her childish and inbred theories.

The interesting thing about this article is that she constantly says 
how much she loves the Domes and enjoyed being in there, but then 
leaves over and over for long blocks of time.  And, from the sound of 
it, not for necessities, as she says she finally returns to FF--at 
last!--from her Florida beach-house.

 From the sound of it, it appears that the most strenuous thing this 
woman has ever done is sit on her butt and try to come up with 
ever-more creative ways to account for her pathetic life.

Other than that, though, I loved the article. :)

Sal



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 23, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

  These days the domenuts are claiming credit for the mild hurricane 
 season. No mention of the 37 tornados that touched down in the Midwest 
 yesterday.

I hear they attribute those to Amma.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Rounding!: Response Then and Now

2006-09-23 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 9/23/06 11:02 AM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  If the TMO dropped SIMS rates to $400, perhaps tying it to FF course
  application, soon they would be flooded once word got out, and
  students got it. Heck, just give free TM scholarships to all the
  students who attended the Lynch lectures, and that could be the kernal
  to start it all. A blazing bonfire of 2000+ SIMSers rushing to the
  FREE course. 
  
 College kids these days aren¹t spiritual seeks, by and large.
They¹re on a
 career track and not many are going to rush off to spend 8 hours a day
 meditating.

Sorry you think that. Do you really feel that you and your generation
was THAT unique, spiritual and special? And that other generations
are devoid of spiritual quests? I am guessing in 1965 you would have
looked around at UCLA students in 1965 and said the same as you do
now. How wrong could you have been. If many of those were not stick-up
their ass career-tracked kids, i don't know what were. Yet there was a
strong (latently) spiritual seeking subset that rocked the world.  

At SSRS events, i see a number of 20ishes. I assume the same at
Amma-fests. No?

Or are you simple making a gross generalization (on steroids) about
today's kids. The Lynch lecture kids looked something other
career-a-trons. And who says its either or. Many students put college
on hold for a year or tow to explore. Nothing incompatible with that
and strong career goals.

You are honestly saying, that out of 20 million collegeage students
(guess) there are not 2000 that would get pumped at the opportunity
for a free one year course (after they were given a chance to get into
TM a bit). If so, my you seem to have become quite jaded over the years.

Your nephew, who wrote those wonderful letters from India, and/or his
peers would not be interested in 12-month free course? Is he that
career focussed?

  
  Regarding a neo-SIMS, some will say, well, sure, but when they dig a
  bit deeper, they will run of the hills when they hear of rajas,
  eastern entrances, yagyas, etc. I disagree. As far as entrances and
  yagyas, many will respond (in their venacular), as 60's students would
  have, HEAVY! Does this get any more far out!. And why should the
  raja's scare students if say HHDL doesn't.
 
 Because he¹s sincere, compassionate, unassuming, down-to-earth, and
honest.
 People have become hip to and afraid of cults in the past 40 years and
 aren¹t going to adjust to the rajas.

Did it stop the Lynch lecture kids from attending?. Even travelling
500-1000 miles ot some god-forsaken town in the middle of cornfields? 

I think many people are far more open then you think. Not all cringe
at thhings the way we do. I had a next door neighbor, a physician
and his wife, well-read and traveled, who teld me about this great guy
from the Natural Law Party they had seen on TV. John something. they
said. John Haglin i replied. They were delighted I knew of him.
After some discussion, I said I was familiar with the underlying org
that supports him and it had some pretty cultish features -- and I
elaborated. The wife, from UK, and pretyy cosmopolitan just laughed
and said, well, to some, the army and universities can seem pretty
cultish.

I remember when MMY came out with Age of Enlightenment. Mnay
initiators cringed. Hes gone way to far now. Wasn't so (on that
point)   

 
  For the first time in ages, I'm stoked! A BIG course could be close.
  Or very far. Its at a tipping point. As may be a real core
  transformation of the world.

  or not.

Like I said, its a tipping point. Too much dark, jaded views and
inability to let go a bit may squash it. 

Or not.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Rounding!: Response Then and Now

2006-09-23 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 9/23/06 11:02 AM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  If the TMO dropped SIMS rates to $400, perhaps tying it to FF course
  application, soon they would be flooded once word got out, and
  students got it. Heck, just give free TM scholarships to all the
  students who attended the Lynch lectures, and that could be the kernal
  to start it all. A blazing bonfire of 2000+ SIMSers rushing to the
  FREE course. 
  
 College kids these days aren¹t spiritual seeks, by and large.
They¹re on a
 career track and not many are going to rush off to spend 8 hours a day
 meditating.
  

i am quite surprised at your age-centrism Rick. In thinking about it
more, perhps you don't see the same 20ish kids I do. FF perhaps has
become a bit of a retirement community with few kids. But I see many
kids that are hardly career-zombies. Segments that are heavily into
fitness and/or piercings, goth-looks (fading some from 5-10 years
ago), marching in streets against IMF, WTO, etc. All signs of
seekers, IMO. 

Look at MYspace. Hardly an army of uniform career-zombies. Quite more
 diverse and interesting than the majority of students in the mid-60s
-- just before the dam broke. 

And again, for thos who are strongly career-focussed --  being so is
quite compatible with exploring the world a bit in ones 20's.
Exploring, breaking boundaries, doing the unvonventional can often be
a huge plus in ones later career. Both in initial job interviews --
something that sets them apart-- and later on -- the qualites of
shakti and/or creative intelligence blossoming.

And as far as the spark. Getting today's kids attention. hopping on
your ass or 8 hours in a cornfield in Iowa is not going to get their
attention. But get a core of students who do the program among
1000-1500 and word will spread. I am not talking ME. That may or may
not have much validity. But everyone who haws been on a big course
knows there is big juice. Something strong happening. If and when
todays students get a whiff of that -- AND ITS FREE -- they will react
as you and I and 1000's of others did in the early 70s.

And today's and tomorrow's careers are hardly what they were 20-30
years ago. They are more fluid, flexibily, sliceable, morphable, etc.
Much more compatible with a periodic YF that they were in the 70's.



 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Rounding!: Response Then and Now

2006-09-23 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 With the $500 stipend for room, board and incidentals, and free
 tuition, I bgan to think of how I and my SIMS friends would have
 reacted in the early 70's: Packed and out the door, running! This
 contrasts with today's limp response. Why.

Wow, is it really only $500 a month, and out of that your supposed to 
find room and board?
 I thought it was $500 a month PLUS room and boardwhich in itself 
is just surviving, but not bad for someone who may not have a job, or 
a career yet. But $500 a month to live on and pay room and board is 
worse than 15 years ago when I took the MA-SCI for less than 18 hours 
work a week, got tuition, got free room and board, rounding, free 
advanced techniques, free PK, free yagyas, free amrit, free sports 
center, swim pool, free weekend trips of various kinds, free jyotish, 
and 75 bucks a month, plus other stuff.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Rounding!: Response Then and Now

2006-09-23 Thread new . morning
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
 
  With the $500 stipend for room, board and incidentals, and free
  tuition, I bgan to think of how I and my SIMS friends would have
  reacted in the early 70's: Packed and out the door, running! This
  contrasts with today's limp response. Why.
 
 Wow, is it really only $500 a month, and out of that your supposed to 
 find room and board?


That was my understanding -- others please correct any misunderstanding.
My sense is that the stipend was focussed on new participants -- not
existing ones. And that the stripend was not pure cash but ear-marked
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Rounding!: Response Then and Now

2006-09-23 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 23, 2006, at 1:47 PM, new.morning wrote:

 Wow, is it really only $500 a month, and out of that your supposed to
 find room and board?


 That was my understanding -- others please correct any 
 misunderstanding.
 My sense is that the stipend was focussed on new participants -- not
 existing ones. And that the stripend was not pure cash but ear-marked
 for room and board. Clarifications?

I hear it's free dope and all the popcorn you can eat if the room and 
board thing doesn't work out.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Rounding!: Response Then and Now

2006-09-23 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 23, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

 College kids these days aren’t spiritual seeks, by and large. They’re 
 on a career track and not many are going to rush off to spend 8 hours 
 a day meditating.

That's a silly and unfounded over-generalization, Rick, and New's 
right...you could easily have said that about us, or about anyone at 
any time.

Maybe the reason nobody's rushing to this course is because it sounds 
boring and not terribly healthy to sit on your ass for 8 hours a day 
(not to mention it might also be because the TMO has a rep for being 
manipulative and dishonest.)  If hardly anyone our age wants to 
participate, it should come as no surprise that people younger and more 
active would be turned off.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread shempmcgurk
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  Oh my God, her! She's an immature mood-maker supreme
  who wears army boots.
  
 I tried three times to get through it. Just couldn't do it.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread Peter


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 On Sep 23, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
   These days the domenuts are claiming credit for
 the mild hurricane 
  season. No mention of the 37 tornados that touched
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  yesterday.
 
 I hear they attribute those to Amma.
 
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Heehee...no dome for you!



 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Sep 23, 2006, at 1:59 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

 I tried three times to get through it. Just couldn't do it.



 I also tried a few times and even though I, too, am an immature mood-
 maker, I couldn't get through it.

Sharlynn is a moodmaker's moodmaker, that's for sure.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread Peter
Psychologically very difficult to read through an
article like that. It's a classic example of someone
who has not dealt with their shadow and denies and
surpresses any aspect of her psyche that she finds
unpleasant. She used to post here on a regular basis
and she sounded like an intelligent 16 year old. Rick
told me she was in her 50's! I doubt she has ever been
married and has had children. I say this because such
relationships tend to mature a person into dealing
with the realities of life. She's a prototypical TMO
cultie who refuses to consider anything outside of her
own world view. She'd be at home in any cult. Her
posts in FFL would usually consist of her telling us
how wrong our thoughts were. 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread Peter
That's why I gave her army boots.

--- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Now, now Dr. Pete--that's negative!
 Sal
 
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  Oh my God, her! She's an immature mood-maker
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  www.iowasource.com
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  The Domes Revisited: A Personal Essay About the
  Golden Domes
 
  Fairfield: Home to over 2,000 Transcendental
  Meditation practitioners and
  Maharishi University of Management
 
  BY ROSES DERISE (formerly Sharalyn Harris, who
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

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   who wears army boots.
   
  I tried three times to get through it. Just
 couldn't do it.
 
 
 
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 an immature mood-
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Hmmm? Did you try wearing a tight, cold, wet loin
cloth cinched up tight?



 
 
 
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 23, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Peter wrote:

 Psychologically very difficult to read through an
 article like that. It's a classic example of someone
 who has not dealt with their shadow and denies and
 surpresses any aspect of her psyche that she finds
 unpleasant.

Must be a full-time job in her case.

 She used to post here on a regular basis
 and she sounded like an intelligent 16 year old. Rick
 told me she was in her 50's! I doubt she has ever been
 married and has had children. I say this because such
 relationships tend to mature a person into dealing
 with the realities of life. She's a prototypical TMO
 cultie who refuses to consider anything outside of her
 own world view. She'd be at home in any cult. Her
 posts in FFL would usually consist of her telling us
 how wrong our thoughts were.

Yep.  My personal fave was the negative e-mail scenario, in which she 
threatened to report a poster to her group for sending posts.

I'm really surprised she hasn't applied for a job at the MSAE. Her kind 
of very limited world view is exactly what they seem to be looking for 
over there.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Rounding!: Response Then and Now

2006-09-23 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Sep 23, 2006, at 1:47 PM, new.morning wrote:
 
  Wow, is it really only $500 a month, and out of that your 
supposed to
  find room and board?
 
 
  That was my understanding -- others please correct any 
  misunderstanding.
  My sense is that the stipend was focussed on new participants -- 
not
  existing ones. And that the stripend was not pure cash but ear-
marked
  for room and board. Clarifications?
 
 I hear it's free dope and all the popcorn you can eat if the room 
and 
 board thing doesn't work out.
 
 Sal

Sounds like my college days, paid for entirely by the UK government, 
tuition, room, and board, plus weekly beer money of about $70 a week.

Ah...the good old days.

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[FairfieldLife] Fly Scorpion Air?

2006-09-23 Thread bob_brigante
http://tinyurl.com/kgbbt

British Airways loses an engine after takeoff from Los Angeles, decides 
not to land to save money, then ends up making an emergency landing in 
Manchester, declaring a fuel emergency before being able to land in 
London.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fly Scorpion Air?

2006-09-23 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://tinyurl.com/kgbbt
 
 British Airways loses an engine after takeoff from Los Angeles,
 decides not to land to save money, then ends up making an emergency
 landing in Manchester, declaring a fuel emergency before being able
 to land in London.

The obvious solution, of course, is for the TMO to return to teaching
TM in the UK so that such incidents don't happen again.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Rounding!: Response Then and Now

2006-09-23 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sep 23, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  College kids these days aren't spiritual seeks, by and large. They're 
  on a career track and not many are going to rush off to spend 8 hours 
  a day meditating.
 
 That's a silly and unfounded over-generalization, Rick, and New's 
 right...you could easily have said that about us, or about anyone at 
 any time.
 
 Maybe the reason nobody's rushing to this course is because it sounds 
 boring and not terribly healthy to sit on your ass for 8 hours a day 
 (not to mention it might also be because the TMO has a rep for being 
 manipulative and dishonest.)  If hardly anyone our age wants to 
 participate, it should come as no surprise that people younger and more 
 active would be turned off.
 
 Sal

I think Rick is correct.  If you go to any of the saints (incuding the Dalia 
Lama) touring the 
USA, the average hair color is gray. I think AMma has more young people than 
most. Back 
in the 60's and 70's, the average attendee was 18-25yrs old.  Yoga classes are 
by and 
large populated by middle aged women.  The current younger generation in 
college now is 
not only career minded- but also service minded, as in volunteering and doing 
good 
deeds.  Much more so than the Boomers, who wanted to do good by meditating, 
getting 
doped up, refusing to go to war. I don't know what it would take to tip the 
balance for the 
younger kids, but so far they are more interested in cation/karma and not 
interested in 
spirituality/meditation- at least not in large numbers.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Rounding!: Response Then and Now

2006-09-23 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 23, 2006, at 6:23 PM, wayback71 wrote:

 The current younger generation in college now is
 not only career minded- but also service minded, as in volunteering 
 and doing good
 deeds.

That's just a different kind of spirituality, and, some would argue, 
has even more value than sitting and meditating.  It's arrogant to 
think what we did was the best.  I would have loved more 
opportunities to volunteer and try to make a difference that way.  Our 
way was rooted inaction, theirs in action.  More power to them.

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[FairfieldLife] Heckuva job, George

2006-09-23 Thread authfriend
From tomorrow's edition of The New York Times:

September 24, 2006

Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terror Threat 

By MARK MAZZETTI

WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 — A stark assessment of terrorism trends by 
American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion 
and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic 
radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the 
Sept. 11 attacks.

The classified National Intelligence Estimate attributes a more 
direct role to the Iraq war in fueling radicalism than that presented 
either in recent White House documents or in a report released 
Wednesday by the House Intelligence Committee, according to several 
officials in Washington involved in preparing the assessment or who 
have read the final document.

The intelligence estimate, completed in April, is the first formal 
appraisal of global terrorism by United States intelligence agencies 
since the Iraq war began, and represents a consensus view of the 16 
disparate spy services inside government. Titled Trends in Global 
Terrorism: Implications for the United States,'' it asserts that 
Islamic radicalism, rather than being in retreat, has metastasized 
and spread across the globe.

An opening section of the report, Indicators of the Spread of the 
Global Jihadist Movement, cites the Iraq war as a reason for the 
diffusion of jihad ideology. 

The report says that the Iraq war has made the overall terrorism 
problem worse, said one American intelligence official

National Intelligence Estimates are the most authoritative documents 
that the intelligence community produces on a specific national 
security issue, and are approved by John D. Negroponte, director of 
national intelligence. Their conclusions are based on analysis of raw 
intelligence collected by all of the spy agencies

For more than two years, there has been tension between the Bush 
administration and American spy agencies over the violence in Iraq 
and the prospects for a stable democracy in the country. Some 
intelligence officials have said the White House has consistently 
presented a more optimistic picture of the situation in Iraq than 
justified by intelligence reports from the field

The broad judgments of the new intelligence estimate are consistent 
with assessments of global terrorist threats by American allies and 
independent terrorism experts.

The panel investigating the London terrorist bombings of July 2005 
reported in May that the leaders of Britain's domestic and 
international intelligence services, MI5 and MI6, emphasized to the 
committee the growing scale of the Islamist terrorist threat.

More recently, the Council on Global Terrorism, an independent 
research group of respected terrorism experts, assigned a grade 
of D+ to United States efforts over the past five years to combat 
Islamic extremism. The council concluded that there is every sign 
that radicalization in the Muslim world is spreading rather than 
shrinking.

Read it all at:
http://tinyurl.com/qdl8j






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Rounding!: Response Then and Now

2006-09-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 The current younger generation in college now is not
 only career minded- but also service minded, as in
 volunteering and doing good deeds.  Much more so
 than the Boomers, who wanted to do good by meditating,
 getting doped up, refusing to go to war.

Actually, the boomers were *very* service-minded.  Ever
hear of the Peace Corps?  Ever hear of the civil rights
movement?  There was all kinds of grassroots volunteer
activity as well, running soup kitchens, caring for the
homeless, advocating for the poor, and so on.

Plus which, there's a trend today for boomer retirees to
take on second careers in various areas of volunteer
service, since they're more financially secure and 
generally in better health than previous generations were
at their age.






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[FairfieldLife] New Article by Sam Harris - Los Angeles Times

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread gullible fool

I could tell from reading the article that it was
Sharalynn. That's how extreme it was.

Interesting thing about her is she said she gave up on
the movement at one point.
  
--- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Psychologically very difficult to read through an
 article like that. It's a classic example of someone
 who has not dealt with their shadow and denies and
 surpresses any aspect of her psyche that she finds
 unpleasant. She used to post here on a regular basis
 and she sounded like an intelligent 16 year old.
 Rick
 told me she was in her 50's! I doubt she has ever
 been
 married and has had children. I say this because
 such
 relationships tend to mature a person into dealing
 with the realities of life. She's a prototypical TMO
 cultie who refuses to consider anything outside of
 her
 own world view. She'd be at home in any cult. Her
 posts in FFL would usually consist of her telling us
 how wrong our thoughts were. 
 
 --- lurkernomore20002000
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Oh my God, her! She's an immature mood-maker
  supreme
   who wears army boots.
   
  I tried three times to get through it. Just
 couldn't
  do it.
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Rounding!: Response Then and Now

2006-09-23 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ 
wrote:
 
  With the $500 stipend for room, board and incidentals, and free
  tuition, I bgan to think of how I and my SIMS friends would have
  reacted in the early 70's: Packed and out the door, running! This
  contrasts with today's limp response. Why.
 
 Wow, is it really only $500 a month, and out of that your supposed 
to 
 find room and board?
  I thought it was $500 a month PLUS room and boardwhich in 
itself 
 is just surviving, but not bad for someone who may not have a job, 
or 
 a career yet. But $500 a month to live on and pay room and board 
is 
 worse than 15 years ago when I took the MA-SCI for less than 18 
hours 
 work a week, got tuition, got free room and board, rounding, free 
 advanced techniques, free PK, free yagyas, free amrit, free sports 
 center, swim pool, free weekend trips of various kinds, free 
jyotish, 
 and 75 bucks a month, plus other stuff.



Free carton of Camels?



 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Rounding!: Response Then and Now

2006-09-23 Thread shempmcgurk
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
 wrote:
 
  On Sep 23, 2006, at 1:47 PM, new.morning wrote:
  
   Wow, is it really only $500 a month, and out of that your 
 supposed to
   find room and board?
  
  
   That was my understanding -- others please correct any 
   misunderstanding.
   My sense is that the stipend was focussed on new participants -
- 
 not
   existing ones. And that the stripend was not pure cash but ear-
 marked
   for room and board. Clarifications?
  
  I hear it's free dope and all the popcorn you can eat if the 
room 
 and 
  board thing doesn't work out.
  
  Sal
 
 Sounds like my college days, paid for entirely by the UK 
government, 
 tuition, room, and board, plus weekly beer money of about $70 a 
week.
 
 Ah...the good old days.
 
 OffWorld


Thank God Thatcher finally got in as PM.  Hopefully, she stopped all 
that give-away bullshit.







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[FairfieldLife] Gas prices

2006-09-23 Thread Patrick Gillam
Hey, has anybody here read a good explanation 
for falling gasoline prices in the United States? 
I don't see how supply is any higher or demand 
any lower, which would be the purest explanations.

Other explanations include superradiance and a 
conspiracy to re-elect Republicans, but I'd prefer 
to know what mainstream economists are positing.

Thanks for any light you can shed.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fly Scorpion Air?

2006-09-23 Thread gullible fool

 The obvious solution, of course, is for the TMO to
 return to teaching
 TM in the UK so that such incidents don't happen
 again.

Yes, because low superadiance numbers supposedly bring
about horrendous plane crashes with 271 deaths. At
least, that's what I heard the other day.

Reminds me of the time I was flying on TWA and had to
make a connection in St. Louis. I previously had
avoided that airline, but they were the only one with
a discount price at short notice. I had to wait over
four hours for the connection, because of
thunderstorms, and while waiting I come across a local
newspaper headline mentioning the four or five times
an engine had fallen off of a TWA plane.

I was not concerned, as I knew I was a mere several
hundred miles from superradiance headquarters for the
North American continent and was not all that far from
the brahmastan of the US.
  
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  http://tinyurl.com/kgbbt
  
  British Airways loses an engine after takeoff from
 Los Angeles,
  decides not to land to save money, then ends up
 making an emergency
  landing in Manchester, declaring a fuel emergency
 before being able
  to land in London.
 
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 return to teaching
 TM in the UK so that such incidents don't happen
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread feste37
You are quite wrong here. It's hard to know why you feel compelled to make 
cruel and untrue remarks about someone I presume you have never met.  
(I've known Sharalyn for some years now.)   

As for her article in the Source, I happened to overhear someone in a 
restaurant here in Fairfield--an out-ot-town visitor—talking on his cell phone 
about this article and how he had been inspired by it. So not everyone reacts 
as you and others on this board have done. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Psychologically very difficult to read through an
 article like that. It's a classic example of someone
 who has not dealt with their shadow and denies and
 surpresses any aspect of her psyche that she finds
 unpleasant. She used to post here on a regular basis
 and she sounded like an intelligent 16 year old. Rick
 told me she was in her 50's! I doubt she has ever been
 married and has had children. I say this because such
 relationships tend to mature a person into dealing
 with the realities of life. She's a prototypical TMO
 cultie who refuses to consider anything outside of her
 own world view. She'd be at home in any cult. Her
 posts in FFL would usually consist of her telling us
 how wrong our thoughts were. 
 
 --- lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
  drpetersutphen@ wrote:
  
   Oh my God, her! She's an immature mood-maker
  supreme
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  I tried three times to get through it. Just couldn't
  do it.
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You are quite wrong here. It's hard to know why you feel compelled 
to make 
 cruel and untrue remarks about someone I presume you have never 
met.  
 (I've known Sharalyn for some years now.)   



Why do you say you presume Peter has never met her?

He writes below that she posted here on a regular basis.  I think 
that's a good way to meet someone and, indeed, a person's writings 
is probably the best way to get to know them.

So his opinion is based upon what he perceives she is like from her 
writing.  Nothing sinister or underhanded or cruel or untrue about 
that.



 
 As for her article in the Source, I happened to overhear someone 
in a 
 restaurant here in Fairfield--an out-ot-town visitor—talking on 
his cell phone 
 about this article and how he had been inspired by it. So not 
everyone reacts 
 as you and others on this board have done. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
wrote:
 
  Psychologically very difficult to read through an
  article like that. It's a classic example of someone
  who has not dealt with their shadow and denies and
  surpresses any aspect of her psyche that she finds
  unpleasant. She used to post here on a regular basis
  and she sounded like an intelligent 16 year old. Rick
  told me she was in her 50's! I doubt she has ever been
  married and has had children. I say this because such
  relationships tend to mature a person into dealing
  with the realities of life. She's a prototypical TMO
  cultie who refuses to consider anything outside of her
  own world view. She'd be at home in any cult. Her
  posts in FFL would usually consist of her telling us
  how wrong our thoughts were. 
  
  --- lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
   drpetersutphen@ wrote:
   
Oh my God, her! She's an immature mood-maker
   supreme
who wears army boots.

   I tried three times to get through it. Just couldn't
   do it.
   
   lurk

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[FairfieldLife] Gas prices

2006-09-23 Thread gullible fool

The three biggest factors in the fluctuation of gas
prices are:

1. Futures trading.
2. Futures trading.
3. Futures trading.

--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey, has anybody here read a good explanation 
 for falling gasoline prices in the United States? 
 I don't see how supply is any higher or demand 
 any lower, which would be the purest explanations.
 
 Other explanations include superradiance and a 
 conspiracy to re-elect Republicans, but I'd prefer 
 to know what mainstream economists are positing.
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas prices

2006-09-23 Thread at_man_and_brahman
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14891597/

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Hey, has anybody here read a good explanation 
 for falling gasoline prices in the United States? 
 I don't see how supply is any higher or demand 
 any lower, which would be the purest explanations.
 
 Other explanations include superradiance and a 
 conspiracy to re-elect Republicans, but I'd prefer 
 to know what mainstream economists are positing.
 
 Thanks for any light you can shed.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas prices

2006-09-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hey, has anybody here read a good explanation 
  for falling gasoline prices in the United States? 
  I don't see how supply is any higher or demand 
  any lower, which would be the purest explanations.
  
  Other explanations include superradiance and a 
  conspiracy to re-elect Republicans, but I'd prefer 
  to know what mainstream economists are positing.
  
  Thanks for any light you can shed.
  


 
 The three biggest factors in the fluctuation of gas
 prices are:
 
 1. Futures trading.
 2. Futures trading.
 3. Futures trading.
 

So what is the biggest factors that influence futures trading?

1. Futures trading.
2. Futures trading.
3. Futures trading.

So what influences THAT?

It's future's trading all the way down...








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas prices

2006-09-23 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- at_man_and_brahman wrote:

 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14891597/
 
 --- Gillam wrote:
 
  I don't see how supply is any higher or demand 
  any lower, which would be the purest explanations.

Okay, now I see. Thanks!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas prices

2006-09-23 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote:

 It's future's trading all the way down...

; - )





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Different Paths and Views on Enlightenment

2006-09-23 Thread coldbluiceman
 new.morning wrote:
  judy stein wrote:
   new.morning wrote:
jim_flanegin wrote:
  snip
You must have forgotten my assertion
that there is no such thing 
as MMY/TMO style of enlightenment. 
   This just gets stranger and stranger. 
   Unless you are playing
   sematically games, or simply don't get the
concept that MMY has
   defined specific attributes of what
he means by enlightenemnt, UC
   and BC.
  snip
 snip
  snip
 An issue here is the label-centric view of some, vs. my very
 non-label view. As I have explained periodically,
 from various angles,
 over 2-3 years, I don't have much value for labels such as
 enlightnement.  

i had the *Best Ever* scientifically recorded tm-enlightenment by 
an impartial sleep and dream lab at Luther College, Decorah Iowa.

The study conducted by Dr. William Moorcroft PhD, Luther College and 
Dr. Jayne Gackenback PhD, University Nothern Iowa, and Dr. Stephen 
LaBerge PhD, Stanford University in 1987. And, in fact the abstract 
was submitted to International Sleep  Dream Symposium Oslo Norway.

i am here to tell Mr. Jim Flanegin that there is a-, 
MMY/TMO style of enlightenment.
However if any of you people had it..,you would not want 
it!..period.

In fact, do not take my word of it, contact the scientist that 
performed the research directly - Dr. Jayne Gackenbach PhD. 
Here is the link to her website.. 
http://www.spiritwatch.ca/psychologicalconhtm.htm 
Gackenbach, J., Moorecroft, W., Alexander, C.  LaBerge, S.(1987). 
Consciousness dur-ing sleep in a TM practitioner: Heartrate, 
respiration and eye movement. Paper pre-sented at the annual meeting 
of the Association for the Study of Dreams, Arlington,VA.

Here is a copy of the e-mail to me from the scientist-
Dr. Jayne Gackenbach 
 Subj:  Re: Stephen J. Perinn/Perino 
 Date: 9/30/00 5:05:19 PM Central Daylight Time 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jayne Gackenbach) 
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 ..the study you quote below is the oneon your results
 - let me know how you are doing Jayne.. 










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[FairfieldLife] To whom fabricated the brahman Thingy

2006-09-23 Thread coldbluiceman
Who was it that invented this brahman thingy?
And can it ever be found?
As in the completely fabricated brahman thingy of Mr. Raja Roy 
circa 1828. 

PLEASE SEE THE UNDISPUTED  *HISTORICAL FACTS BELOW*. 

The term brahmo(which later became brahman) did not exist prior 
to 1828!! period. 

We can factually determine this because the *Offical British* census 
conducted later classified the major religions, and brahmo *was 
classified* as a seperate and distinct religion
see link cited below 
 ..The, Brahmo religion can be first found in an offical census 
 conducted in India by the British Provinical Goverment in 1872.. 
source- 
http://www.censusindia.net/religiondata/Introduction_2001_religion.pd
f 


The Hindus (and all of India for that matter) of 1827 knew nothing 
of a brahmo / brahman as the term had not ever been used to 
describe a god of a religion that had yet to be invented by Raja 
Ram Roy!..  THAT IS A FACT! 
see link cited 

 ..He founded the Brahmo Samaj at Calcutta in 1828, which was 
initially known as the Brahmo Sabha.. 
source- http://www.chanda.freeserve.co.uk/rmroy1.htm 


...Brahman is worshipped as the sole creator and supporter of the 
 universe. This monotheism is based on the interpretation of the  
 early  Vedanta, the Upanishads, and the Brahma Sutra. 
 Ram Mohan Roy,founder of Brahmo Samaj,identified the monotheism of 
Christianity  and Islam as of universal validity...  
 source- 
http://philtar.ucsm.ac.uk/encyclopedia/hindu/ascetic/brahmo.html 


   Rammohun Roy (aka- Raja Ram Roy).. 
 ...Greater, however, than the influence exercised on the 
 philosophical thought of modern Europe, has been the impulse which 
 these same Upanishads have imparted to the religious life of modern 
 India. 
 In about the same year (1774 or 1775) when the first MS. of the 
 Persian translation of the Upanishads was received by Anquetil 
 Duperron, Rammohun Roy[24] was born in India, the reformer and
 reviver of the ancient religion of the Brahmans. 
 A man who in his youth could write a book Against the 
 Idolatry of all Religions, and who afterwards expressed in 
 so many exact words his belief in the divine authority of Christ 
 [25] was not likely to retain anything of the 
 sacred literature of his own religion, unless he had perceived in  
 it the same divine authority which he recognised in 
 the teaching of Christ. 
 He rejected the Purânas, he would not have been swayed in his 
 convictions by the authority of the Laws of Manu, or even by the 
 sacredness of the Vedas. He was above all that. 
 But he discovered in the Upanishads and in the so-called
 Vedânta something different from all the rest, 
 something that ought not to be thrown away, something 
 that, if rightly understood, might supply the right native 
 soil in which alone the seeds of true religion, aye, 
 of true  Christianity, might spring up again and prosper
 in India, as they had once sprung up and prospered from 
 out the philosophies of Origen or Synesius. 
 European scholars have often wondered that Rammohun Roy, 
 in his defence of the Veda, should have put aside the Samhitâs 
 and the Brâhmanas, and laid his finger on the Upanishads only, 
 as the true kernel of the whole Veda... 
SOURCE- http://www.infoplease.com/t/rel/upanishads/ 


The religion of brahmo-ism / brahman-ism is based Roy's 
interpetation of a combination of two schools of thought - 
1). the god of Judeo-Christain tradition, and 
2). early vedanta  Upanishads  Brahma Sutra 


Roy combined the two schools of thought, 
and came with brahmo- ism / brahman-ism as cited
by numerous and widely accepted sources. 

In fact there was only one religion-Brahmo that worshipped a 
brahman thingy, as is pointed out by Dr. Coplin
in his report on the 'Early History of 
(S)piritual (R)egeneration (M)ovement'. 
see links cited 

 ...We have held it from the very first that Brahmoism was but a 
 perverted or distorted form of Christianity..Christianity 
 constituted, as it were, the vital principle of Brahmoism,
 it is the source of its life, vigor, and strength..   
source- http://members.aol.com/drcoplin/SRMemergence.html 


Furthermore we know for a fact that the British hired Raja Ram Roy 
and supported his efforts to create a new religion-Brahmo-ism and 
the worship of a brahman thingy it is a *Historical Fact*. 
see links cited 

  ..The employment history and financial support of Raja Ram Mohan 
Roy is easily traced.  He got a job under John Digby,a company 
official of the British East India Company. Ram Mohan was introduced 
to western culture, and literature shortly following his employment, 
through Digby... [end] 
source-http://www.bsna.org/bzine-m/jan2k1/bvani-y2k/ramohanroy.htm 


And, Raja Ram Roy is just one of the many paid hack writers 
the British hired to attempt to destroy and demean the *true* 
religion 
(Sanatan Dharm) of India, and ceate another in its place. 


And in fact the British had admitted to the attempts publicly. 
see links cited 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread Peter


--- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You are quite wrong here. It's hard to know why you
 feel compelled to make 
 cruel and untrue remarks about someone I presume you
 have never met.  
 (I've known Sharalyn for some years now.)

 I only know Sharalyn from her posts of several
years ago so my impression of her is based on her
posts. My intention is certainly not to be cruel and
not to utter untuths about her. I found her posts to
be psychologically immature because of her extreme
idealization of MMY and the TMO and the absolute and
utter refusal to deal with any shadow material of
her own experincing or that of the TMO or, for that
matter, anyone else posting of such material. For me,
this is a mood-maker and very surprising for a woman
in her 50's. However, she is very intelligent and
writes quite well. But she has not been blooded by
life or if she has, she has not learned from it. This
is my psychological assessment of her. You don't
agree. Fine. I'm sure knowing her in person is
differewnt than knowing her through her posts. I do
have one question, though. Why did she change her
name? An unusual move for someone of her age. 

   


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Rounding!: Response Then and Now

2006-09-23 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
salsunshine@ 
  wrote:
  
   On Sep 23, 2006, at 1:47 PM, new.morning wrote:
   
Wow, is it really only $500 a month, and out of that your 
  supposed to
find room and board?
   
   
That was my understanding -- others please correct any 
misunderstanding.
My sense is that the stipend was focussed on new 
participants -
 - 
  not
existing ones. And that the stripend was not pure cash but 
ear-
  marked
for room and board. Clarifications?
   
   I hear it's free dope and all the popcorn you can eat if the 
 room 
  and 
   board thing doesn't work out.
   
   Sal
  
  Sounds like my college days, paid for entirely by the UK 
 government, 
  tuition, room, and board, plus weekly beer money of about $70 a 
 week.
  
  Ah...the good old days.
  
  OffWorld
 
 
 Thank God Thatcher finally got in as PM.  Hopefully, she stopped 
all 
 that give-away bullshit.

Yes she and the others did. You are rightNow anyone from any 
arab state, India, China, France, Algeria etc. can get full UK 
government grants to go to a British university - But if your 
British?...forget it you have to pay through the nose...bigtime!

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas prices

2006-09-23 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Hey, has anybody here read a good explanation 
 for falling gasoline prices in the United States? 
 I don't see how supply is any higher or demand 
 any lower, which would be the purest explanations.
 
 Other explanations include superradiance and a 
 conspiracy to re-elect Republicans, but I'd prefer 
 to know what mainstream economists are positing.
 
 Thanks for any light you can shed.


Because a massive oil field was recently discovered that is controlled 
by US companies and allied states in the Gulf of Mexico which will be 
enough for the North America for the next 20 years and 
beyondtherefore the oil cartels cannot play the 
dangerous shortage due to middle east crises' , etc, and dependency 
on foreign oil anymore. That excuse has disappeared for a very long 
time to come.
http://tinyurl.com/k69e6

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/050906_massive_oil.html

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Rounding!: Response Then and Now

2006-09-23 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ 
wrote:
 snip
  The current younger generation in college now is not
  only career minded- but also service minded, as in
  volunteering and doing good deeds.  Much more so
  than the Boomers, who wanted to do good by meditating,
  getting doped up, refusing to go to war.
 
 Actually, the boomers were *very* service-minded.  Ever
 hear of the Peace Corps?  Ever hear of the civil rights
 movement?  There was all kinds of grassroots volunteer
 activity as well, running soup kitchens, caring for the
 homeless, advocating for the poor, and so on.
 
 Plus which, there's a trend today for boomer retirees to
 take on second careers in various areas of volunteer
 service, since they're more financially secure and 
 generally in better health than previous generations were
 at their age.

Totally true.
Look at Richard Branson, Bill Gates in the news again yesterday for 
philanthropy. You cannot get more of a baby boomer type than Richard 
Branson.
LiveAid was mostly  boomer thing started by Bob Geldof in about 
1984. 
Plus the boomers helped to stop the stupid republican war in 
Vietnam, (a conflict for which there was at least some reasonable 
logic in the beginning --- unlike the current irrational arrogant 
historical strategic mistake quagmire in Iraq.)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: To whom fabricated the brahman Thingy

2006-09-23 Thread off_world_beings
No-one ever believes anyone these days if they say the words : We 
know for a fact ...(which you said at least twice.   
Come back in 10 years little pseudo-scholar,  when you are ready.

OffWorld


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Who was it that invented this brahman thingy?
 And can it ever be found?
 As in the completely fabricated brahman thingy of Mr. Raja Roy 
 circa 1828. 
 
 PLEASE SEE THE UNDISPUTED  *HISTORICAL FACTS BELOW*. 
 
 The term brahmo(which later became brahman) did not exist 
prior 
 to 1828!! period. 
 
 We can factually determine this because the *Offical British* 
census 
 conducted later classified the major religions, and brahmo *was 
 classified* as a seperate and distinct religion
 see link cited below 
  ..The, Brahmo religion can be first found in an offical census 
  conducted in India by the British Provinical Goverment in 1872.. 
 source- 
 
http://www.censusindia.net/religiondata/Introduction_2001_religion.pd
 f 
 
 
 The Hindus (and all of India for that matter) of 1827 knew 
nothing 
 of a brahmo / brahman as the term had not ever been used to 
 describe a god of a religion that had yet to be invented by Raja 
 Ram Roy!..  THAT IS A FACT! 
 see link cited 
 
  ..He founded the Brahmo Samaj at Calcutta in 1828, which was 
 initially known as the Brahmo Sabha.. 
 source- http://www.chanda.freeserve.co.uk/rmroy1.htm 
 
 
 ...Brahman is worshipped as the sole creator and supporter of the 
  universe. This monotheism is based on the interpretation of the  
  early  Vedanta, the Upanishads, and the Brahma Sutra. 
  Ram Mohan Roy,founder of Brahmo Samaj,identified the monotheism 
of 
 Christianity  and Islam as of universal validity...  
  source- 
 http://philtar.ucsm.ac.uk/encyclopedia/hindu/ascetic/brahmo.html 
 
 
Rammohun Roy (aka- Raja Ram Roy).. 
  ...Greater, however, than the influence exercised on the 
  philosophical thought of modern Europe, has been the impulse 
which 
  these same Upanishads have imparted to the religious life of 
modern 
  India. 
  In about the same year (1774 or 1775) when the first MS. of the 
  Persian translation of the Upanishads was received by Anquetil 
  Duperron, Rammohun Roy[24] was born in India, the reformer and
  reviver of the ancient religion of the Brahmans. 
  A man who in his youth could write a book Against the 
  Idolatry of all Religions, and who afterwards expressed in 
  so many exact words his belief in the divine authority of Christ 
  [25] was not likely to retain anything of the 
  sacred literature of his own religion, unless he had perceived 
in  
  it the same divine authority which he recognised in 
  the teaching of Christ. 
  He rejected the Purânas, he would not have been swayed in his 
  convictions by the authority of the Laws of Manu, or even by the 
  sacredness of the Vedas. He was above all that. 
  But he discovered in the Upanishads and in the so-called
  Vedânta something different from all the rest, 
  something that ought not to be thrown away, something 
  that, if rightly understood, might supply the right native 
  soil in which alone the seeds of true religion, aye, 
  of true  Christianity, might spring up again and prosper
  in India, as they had once sprung up and prospered from 
  out the philosophies of Origen or Synesius. 
  European scholars have often wondered that Rammohun Roy, 
  in his defence of the Veda, should have put aside the Samhitâs 
  and the Brâhmanas, and laid his finger on the Upanishads only, 
  as the true kernel of the whole Veda... 
 SOURCE- http://www.infoplease.com/t/rel/upanishads/ 
 
 
 The religion of brahmo-ism / brahman-ism is based Roy's 
 interpetation of a combination of two schools of thought - 
 1). the god of Judeo-Christain tradition, and 
 2). early vedanta  Upanishads  Brahma Sutra 
 
 
 Roy combined the two schools of thought, 
 and came with brahmo- ism / brahman-ism as cited
 by numerous and widely accepted sources. 
 
 In fact there was only one religion-Brahmo that worshipped a 
 brahman thingy, as is pointed out by Dr. Coplin
 in his report on the 'Early History of 
 (S)piritual (R)egeneration (M)ovement'. 
 see links cited 
 
  ...We have held it from the very first that Brahmoism was but a 
  perverted or distorted form of Christianity..Christianity 
  constituted, as it were, the vital principle of Brahmoism,
  it is the source of its life, vigor, and strength..   
 source- http://members.aol.com/drcoplin/SRMemergence.html 
 
 
 Furthermore we know for a fact that the British hired Raja Ram Roy 
 and supported his efforts to create a new religion-Brahmo-ism 
and 
 the worship of a brahman thingy it is a *Historical Fact*. 
 see links cited 
 
   ..The employment history and financial support of Raja Ram 
Mohan 
 Roy is easily traced.  He got a job under John Digby,a company 
 official of the British East India Company. Ram Mohan was 
introduced 
 to western culture, and literature shortly 

[FairfieldLife] Fantastic

2006-09-23 Thread off_world_beings
Fantastic 2d streetart, looking like 3d.

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[FairfieldLife] Fantastic

2006-09-23 Thread off_world_beings
Fantastic 2d streetart, looking like 3d.
 
http://tinyurl.com/zpzag

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited

2006-09-23 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Domes Revisited





on 9/23/06 10:50 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:feste37%40yahoo.com  wrote:
 
 You are quite wrong here. It's hard to know why you
 feel compelled to make 
 cruel and untrue remarks about someone I presume you
 have never met. 
 (I've known Sharalyn for some years now.)
 
 I only know Sharalyn from her posts of several
 years ago so my impression of her is based on her
 posts. My intention is certainly not to be cruel and
 not to utter untuths about her. I found her posts to
 be psychologically immature because of her extreme
 idealization of MMY and the TMO and the absolute and
 utter refusal to deal with any shadow material of
 her own experincing or that of the TMO or, for that
 matter, anyone else posting of such material. For me,
 this is a mood-maker and very surprising for a woman
 in her 50's. However, she is very intelligent and
 writes quite well. But she has not been blooded by
 life or if she has, she has not learned from it. This
 is my psychological assessment of her. You don't
 agree. Fine. I'm sure knowing her in person is
 differewnt than knowing her through her posts. I do
 have one question, though. Why did she change her
 name? An unusual move for someone of her age. 

Ive known Sharalyn since 1985, when we were in the MA in Professional Writing program at MIU together. I consider her a friend. She doesnt come across preachy in person the way she did on FFL. Shes quite liberal, by movement standards, going to visit Amma, etc. Shes in her late 50s or early 60s and got married recently to a nice fellow. I dont know if she had been married earlier in her life. She has been bloodied by life as much as if not more than most of us. I havent had a chance to ask her why she changed her name. I dont think her new last name is her husbands last name, but I may be wrong about that.

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[FairfieldLife] 'Is Chavez Paranoid, or Just Psychotic?'

2006-09-23 Thread Robert Gimbel



Bush will kill me: ChavezFrom correspondents in Caracas   September 24, 2006VENEZUELAN President Hugo Chavez accused his American counterpart George W. Bush overnight of ordering his assassination for calling the US leader the devil during his speech at the United Nations this week."The devil appears very sulphurous, and a few people say that he has given the order to kill me," Chavez said during a speech before scientists in western Venezuela.  "Many concerned friends have called me, (saying) that because I said 'devil' over there (at the UN), they have sentenced me to die. They will not kill me, I have much faith in life," Mr Chavez added.  The leftist Venezuelan leader called Mr Bush "the devil", "a liar" and a "tyrant" during his speech at the UN General Assembly on Wednesday, one day after
 the US President spoke from the same podium.  Mr Chavez again showed a copy of Hegemony or Survival overnight, a book by US academic Noam Chomsky that he had first held up during his address to the UN assembly.  He said he had to wash the book "with holy water because I put it in the same place that the devil put his papers."  __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas prices

2006-09-23 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Hey, has anybody here read a good explanation 
 for falling gasoline prices in the United States? 
 I don't see how supply is any higher or demand 
 any lower, which would be the purest explanations.
 
 Other explanations include superradiance and a 
 conspiracy to re-elect Republicans, but I'd prefer 
 to know what mainstream economists are positing.
 
 Thanks for any light you can shed.

New source of oil found in Gulf of Mexico;
New emphasis on efficient cars;
New hydogen cars planned.
El Pres. and father are in oil business.
They can afford to cut profits a bit before the election;
Because in the long run, they will make them back after the election.
The current regime, does not want to lose power,
Don't ya know...
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