subject:"\[FairfieldLife\] Re\: \: \"All applicants come NOW.\"\-\-Maharishi \/\& Guidelines\?"

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
  wrote:
  snip
   Also the 
   fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) is 
   troubling--that would rule me out immediately, as I simply 
wouldn't 
   give it to them.  What could the reason possibly be except to 
   intimidate people?  I've been on a lot of courses given by 
various 
   organizations, and I have never been asked to give that.
  
  I'm pretty sure I had to give my Social Security
  number when I first applied to learn TM in 1975.
  Back then, of course, we'd never heard of identity
  theft; all *kinds* of people asked for SS #s for
  identification, and nobody thought anything of it.
  I think they also asked for it on course applications
  then as well.
  
  It does have the advantage of being a unique
  identifier. I went to a doctor recently for a flu
  shot and was asked for my SS #.  I said no, and that
  was OK with them, but it would never have occurred
  to me to think they were trying to intimidate me by
  asking.  It used to be almost a reflex to identify
  people by their SS # and is still used in many cases,
  although obviously more and more people these days
  are refusing to give it.
 
 It used to be a law aginst using the SS for anything except tax
 purposes, or so I recall. I suspect the law has been changed in
 the past 30+ years.

I don't think there was ever a law against using it
for other things, unless it was changed before I
started filling out forms on my own (40-plus years
ago)--applications for jobs, bank accounts, credit
cards, apartment leases, physicians' forms, you name
it.  I believe I recall being asked to put it on
checks when I used them to pay for things in stores.

Or perhaps the law was just widely ignored.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-23 Thread scienceofabundance

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Big Snip---

Per above, heavy handed recruiting / guilt-trips are so 80's.
 Quite passe.

I have been thinking of my own reaction to the guilt-tripping, and 
this puts words on what I have been feeling.  Very well said. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-23 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
salsunshine@ 
  wrote:
  snip
   Also the 
   fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) is 
   troubling--that would rule me out immediately, as I simply 
wouldn't 
   give it to them.  What could the reason possibly be except to 
   intimidate people?  I've been on a lot of courses given by 
various 
   organizations, and I have never been asked to give that.
  
  I'm pretty sure I had to give my Social Security
  number when I first applied to learn TM in 1975.
  Back then, of course, we'd never heard of identity
  theft; all *kinds* of people asked for SS #s for
  identification, and nobody thought anything of it.
  I think they also asked for it on course applications
  then as well.
  
  It does have the advantage of being a unique
  identifier. I went to a doctor recently for a flu
  shot and was asked for my SS #.  I said no, and that
  was OK with them, but it would never have occurred
  to me to think they were trying to intimidate me by
  asking.  It used to be almost a reflex to identify
  people by their SS # and is still used in many cases,
  although obviously more and more people these days
  are refusing to give it.
 
 
 It used to be a law aginst using the SS for anything except tax 
purposes, or so I recall. I 
 suspect the law has been changed in the past 30+ years.



You gotta get out more, Spare Egg.

For at least the last 10 years there has been a debate going on in 
this country  as to when and where it is acceptable to give out your 
Social Security number.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-23 Thread Robert Gimbel

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote:
 
  Do not listen these little voices thinking on who`s winning or 
who`s 
 loosing.
  Everyone is winning when more and more people come to fly 
together in 
 the Dome.
  This is time for open heart and mind for everyone, this is time 
for 
 togetherness, friendliness and broad and universal vision.
  The world is asking us to do the most possible for the world 
peace.
  We are those who know that, and we will do the best with our 
 knowledge which we got from our Master and our Holy Tradition.
  Come everyone, and let us do the best what we can for our world.
 
 Every sane voice is very welcome here on this strange forum 
kenwoodfx. 
 I congratulate you !

If we are attempting to create order and harmony, in a world of 
disorder and disharmony;
And the dome, is regarded by Maharishi, as being one of his most 
important projects, in the world; and the whole history of Fairfield, 
the long time of meditators there...
Then the seed is the container of the whole tree...
So, the seeds planted in the dome:
'ought to radiate the most intense harmony and beauty, peace and love.
'All we are saying, is give peace a chance'- type feeling...
So, if we are creating these lower vibration disharmony's and chaos, 
in our feelings in and towards those in the dome, or running the 
dome...
then we had better all take a pretty good look in the mirror,
to find out who is behind this feeling, or creating this feeling of 
disharmony in the group, and purge it from the group, Omen. R.G.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:49 PM, authfriend wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:45 PM, authfriend wrote:

 I had to supply it to my lawyer when I purchased a
 condo recently; the town requires it to transfer the
 deed.  And as I noted, a physician I went to for a
 flu shot asked for it as well.  It's still fairly
 common.

And those are routine occurrences?

 Only in your world, Judy.

 Uh, no, Sal.  It's still fairly common, as I said
 (and the AARP confirms).

 Last time I got a flu shot I paid them 10
 bucks and they gave me the shot.  I could have been a Martian for
 all they cared.

 And that proves...what, exactly?

 My health insurance card, with TEIGIT, has my SS#
 on it.  I complained to them, because I can't carry
 the card in my wallet.  They said they were working
 on a new system, but it wouldn't be ready for some
 time yet.

Well, neither my health insurance card or that for my kids has any SS 
#s on it.  My driver's license used to, but they stopped that years 
ago.  I don't remember whether or not I had to give it to apply for any 
of the credit cards I've had over the years.

 I had to give my SS# to open a bank account six
 five years ago.  You have to give it on most
 credit card applications.  My landlord wanted it
 when I first rented the condo I just bought, also
 five years ago.

And these relate to the TMO how, exactly? Would you describe any of the 
above situations as routine?

I thought SS #s were used  when security issues were at stake, like 
with savings accounts and deeds, or when dealing with large amounts of 
people.  Neither of those situations applies to the TMO courses, 
especially nowadays.

 You didn't answer my question, Sal.  I don't think you
 have any actual threat in mind.  You just thought it
 sounded good to use the word intimidation.

And you've proven my point for me, by admitting you wouldn't give it to 
them.  I think they know perfectly well that people, in general, don't 
like to give them out and probably never have.  I doubt they'd use them 
for anything (since to my knowledge they never actually have)-- It's a 
power trip.  And I don't think getting involved in that kind of game is 
healthy.

And another point--usually when an organization asks you for one, 
that's it.  They don't keep asking you every single time.  These idiots 
just want you to know they've got something on you--again and again.

 And again, see the AARP link, which explains why
 SS#s are routinely used for identification.

I didn't see any link.

 For the record, if I had to give them my SS# to
 go on a course these days, I wouldn't do it, even
 if it meant I couldn't go.  I don't trust them to
 keep those records secure from people who might
 use them for identity theft.

 So then you *do* think they could be used for nefarious purposes--

 Of course.  But that's not why the TMO is asking for
 them, obviously.

OK, why are they asking for them then?

 who else besides people in the TMO would ever have access to that
 info?

 Not everyone in the TMO is necessarily an upstanding
 citizen, first of all.  Some lower-level administrative
 person with financial needs and no scruples might have
 access to a list of SS#s and get ideas.  Lists of SS#s
 are worth big bucks in the identity theft market.  You
 can sell them to brokers, who then sell them to
 individuals who commit the actual identity theft.

 Second, there are any number of ways the numbers could
 get to non-TMO people.  Someone could walk in a door
 left unlocked and steal the records; some nitwit TMer
 could throw a batch of unneeded printouts in the trash;
 a janitor could find the records sitting on someone's
 desk; a hacker could break into the computer system if
 it weren't secured properly, etc., etc., etc.

 This is why you don't want to have to give out your
 SS# if you can possibly avoid it--because they're
 *worth lots of money*, and even an organization
 with the most spotless motives can be careless about
 how they're handled.

 Knowing the level of disorganization and general
 incompetence in the TMO, I simply wouldn't trust them
 to keep the numbers secure.

That's my point exactly.  Whether it's directly by someone with some 
nefarious intent, or simply because some idiot gets careless, you would 
not trust the TMO with potentially sensitive information.  Neither 
would I.

Sal



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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

The guidelines as the bar.

As Shemp writes: If it is a limbo bar, then the expression would 
have to be the bar
seems pretty high, not low because if it was a low limbo bar,
almost no one would be able to pass under it. If it's high then
almost anyone can pass under.
Doug writing:
-They tell ShivaMa that the guidelines are the same and have been 
extended to cover even citizen sidhas now.  David Hawthorne is 
reject because he Won't renounce or sign a  recant of his study or 
practice of jyotish..  Bill Pollak  a `governor' walks in with pony 
tail down, beard and jean overalls and gits a badge.  Go figure, the 
guidelines have not changed but pages are not read or ignored for 
some people at some times.  

It is in process evidently, probably depending on whether it is John 
Hagelin's view  his people or Bevan's take on the 'administration' 
of the guidelines.  With the TMorg it is all sub-terrain vie-ing.   
They evidently just can't come out and say it, what the guidelines 
are, because the guidelines are so rigid that if they were 
universally applied few would be left in the domes at all.  There is 
a practicality on the ground in not being clear about it.  It is 
just TMorg  administrative theocracy waiting on MMY.

-Doug in FF


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
  wrote:
  
   Ken,  all your silly rantings are going to accomplish is to 
show 
 people 
   how lucky they are *not* to be in the Domes...and castigating 
 people 
   for standing on principle by refusing to apply when others are 
 still 
   being rejected, shows an almost incredible lack of basic 
 integrity.
   
   Get a life.
   
   Sal
  
  Hi Sal, 
  
  Over time, I have enjoyed your posts, common sense, and sly wit.
  
people [who] stand[ing] on principle by refusing to apply when
  others are still 
   being rejected
  
  I am curious about your comment [slightly edited to hone in on 
the
  point I am interested in]. Are many people being rejected 
 currently?
  Shivama seems to be quite an exceptions, perhaps a reasonable 
one, 
 to
  the general rule' -- that is my impression that all but the most
  blatant are being accepted. 
  
  For example Rory has been and is in the domes. Perhaps he was 
 posting
  here before your time -- I don't recall your entrance [slinky 
 black
  cocktail dress, right? :) ]. 
  
  Rory has been accepted and per Rick, is attending the Domes. 
While
  Rory is an engaging, interesting and charming guy, I like him, 
he 
 is
  hardly what one would call TMO mainstream. 
  
  For example, he has a website that postulates or claims 
 realization --
  depending on which day you ask him :) 16 or 32 or some large  
 number
  of states of enlightenement -- most beyond (the apparently 
MMY/TMO)
  BC. And he has expounded on, done, dabbled, or seriously pursued 
 many
  different techniques and teaqches, AFAIR. Including some sort of
  mediumship according to his website -- and former wife (who used 
to
  post here also -- Vashti). He also used to run a esoteric book 
 shop,
  and gave classes on many esoteric topics. Apparently when he was 
in
  FF, he had a following. All good and fine things in my book. 
But 
 not
  your typical TMO TBer.
  
  So if Rory is being accepted, then the bar seems pretty low
 
 
 
 
 
 I've never understood the anaology of the bar.
 
 If it is a limbo bar, then the expression would have to be the 
bar 
 seems pretty high, not low because if it was a low limbo bar, 
 almost no one would be able to pass under it.  If it's high then 
 almost anyone can pass under.
 
 So if the analogy doesn't refer to a limbo bar, what is it 
referring 
 to?
 
 Sheltered and sequestered my whole life, I remain...Shemp McGurk.
 
 
 
 
 
 
  for those
  with quite wide, non-TMO, spiritual topics and practices. 
  
  Rick said Tom Traynor has also been accepted. Tom appears to 
also 
 have
  have wide ranging, beyond TMO, pursuits and practices. And heads 
a
  weekly satsang in FF for the enlightened. 
  
  Again, not your standard TMO TBer. 
  
  So I value your, on the ground, insights from the front. It 
 appears
  to me, most all are being accepted to the domes. Is your 
 observation
  there in FF different? Right now? (not 3-4 weeks ago).
  
  Thanks.
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm pretty sure the reference is to a bar that you step over.
 
 But the image of all those Rajas dancing around trying to get under a 
 limbo bar is definitely a good one.
 
 Sal
 

It's the crown thing, isn't it...

 
 On Aug 22, 2006, at 2:30 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
 
  I've never understood the anaology of the bar.
 
  If it is a limbo bar, then the expression would have to be the bar
  seems pretty high, not low because if it was a low limbo bar,
  almost no one would be able to pass under it.  If it's high then
  almost anyone can pass under.
 
  So if the analogy doesn't refer to a limbo bar, what is it referring
  to?
 
  Sheltered and sequestered my whole life, I remain...Shemp McGurk.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

Here's the skinny on Social Security numbers from
AARP:

http://tinyurl.com/jdxf4

The *only* reason cited for not giving out your
Social Security number is identity theft.  It also
enumerates the many types of institutions that still
use SS#s for identification purposes and explains 
why the number is so useful.

A quote from the introduction:

Because both government agencies and private businesses use SSNs for 
a wide range of non-Social Security purposes, the SSN has become a de 
facto national identifier.2 For this reason, SSNs are much sought 
after by identity thieves, who use these numbers to assume the 
identity of another individual and commit fraud. With an estimated 10 
million individuals being victimized by identity theft each year, 
preventing identity thieves from obtaining SSNs is increasingly 
essential to helping protect individuals from fraud.3

A recent Government Accountability Office (GAO) report examining how 
SSNs are used in the public sector found that federal, state, and 
local government agencies use them for a variety of non-Social 
Security purposes, including identity verification, data sharing, 
research, and the administration of programs that deliver services 
and benefits to the public.4 This creates numerous documents and 
records that contain SSNs, many of which are available to the public 
for inspection.5 In addition, some government agencies print SSNs on 
individual eligibility and identification cards, making it easier for 
identity thieves to gain access to this key number.

The private sector also uses SSNs extensively as a means to identify 
an individual's records in a database and as an authenticator to 
confirm the identity of an individual.6 SSNs are often used by 
financial service companies to link individuals to their accounts 
and, as a result, they are highly valuable to would-be identity 
thieves.7






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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
 salsunshine@ 
   wrote:
   snip
Also the 
fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) is 
troubling--that would rule me out immediately, as I simply 
 wouldn't 
give it to them.  What could the reason possibly be except to 
intimidate people?  I've been on a lot of courses given by 
 various 
organizations, and I have never been asked to give that.
   
   I'm pretty sure I had to give my Social Security
   number when I first applied to learn TM in 1975.
   Back then, of course, we'd never heard of identity
   theft; all *kinds* of people asked for SS #s for
   identification, and nobody thought anything of it.
   I think they also asked for it on course applications
   then as well.
   
   It does have the advantage of being a unique
   identifier. I went to a doctor recently for a flu
   shot and was asked for my SS #.  I said no, and that
   was OK with them, but it would never have occurred
   to me to think they were trying to intimidate me by
   asking.  It used to be almost a reflex to identify
   people by their SS # and is still used in many cases,
   although obviously more and more people these days
   are refusing to give it.
  
  
  It used to be a law aginst using the SS for anything except tax 
 purposes, or so I recall. I 
  suspect the law has been changed in the past 30+ years.
 
 
 
 You gotta get out more, Spare Egg.
 
 For at least the last 10 years there has been a debate going on in 
 this country  as to when and where it is acceptable to give out your 
 Social Security number.


Yep, and 33 years ago, the issue was pretty clearcut, or so I recall. Remember 
the scandal 
at the U of AZ about using the SSN as the student ID number?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
   wrote:
   snip
Also the 
fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) is 
troubling--that would rule me out immediately, as I simply 
 wouldn't 
give it to them.  What could the reason possibly be except to 
intimidate people?  I've been on a lot of courses given by 
 various 
organizations, and I have never been asked to give that.
   
   I'm pretty sure I had to give my Social Security
   number when I first applied to learn TM in 1975.
   Back then, of course, we'd never heard of identity
   theft; all *kinds* of people asked for SS #s for
   identification, and nobody thought anything of it.
   I think they also asked for it on course applications
   then as well.
   
   It does have the advantage of being a unique
   identifier. I went to a doctor recently for a flu
   shot and was asked for my SS #.  I said no, and that
   was OK with them, but it would never have occurred
   to me to think they were trying to intimidate me by
   asking.  It used to be almost a reflex to identify
   people by their SS # and is still used in many cases,
   although obviously more and more people these days
   are refusing to give it.
  
  It used to be a law aginst using the SS for anything except tax
  purposes, or so I recall. I suspect the law has been changed in
  the past 30+ years.
 
 I don't think there was ever a law against using it
 for other things, unless it was changed before I
 started filling out forms on my own (40-plus years
 ago)--applications for jobs, bank accounts, credit
 cards, apartment leases, physicians' forms, you name
 it.  I believe I recall being asked to put it on
 checks when I used them to pay for things in stores.
 
 Or perhaps the law was just widely ignored.


The latter, I think. I recall a huge outcry against using teh SSN as the 
student ID at the U  
of AZ back in the early 70's. There was a legal component where it was argued 
that it was 
illegal to do so in the first place.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

And none of that applies to the TMO, as you know, Judy.  If you think they could identify Micky  Mouse by his SS #, try a little test.  Try giving them a fake one and see what happens--bet nothing will, because they've never put in place the means  to detect a fake one, probably because they don't have the brains to.  They have no database to speak of,  which is why they ask for it every time.  It's simply intimidation, like I said.

Sal

On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:56 PM, authfriend wrote:

The private sector also uses SSNs extensively as a means to identify 
an individual's records in a database and as an authenticator to 
confirm the identity of an individual.6 SSNs are often used by 
financial service companies to link individuals to their accounts 
and, as a result, they are highly valuable to would-be identity 
thieves.7

[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:49 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
  wrote:
 
  On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:45 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  I had to supply it to my lawyer when I purchased a
  condo recently; the town requires it to transfer the
  deed.  And as I noted, a physician I went to for a
  flu shot asked for it as well.  It's still fairly
  common.
 
 And those are routine occurrences?

Of course.  What would *you* call them??  Do you
think I was somehow singled out for special
treatment?

  Only in your world, Judy.
 
  Uh, no, Sal.  It's still fairly common, as I said
  (and the AARP confirms).
 
  Last time I got a flu shot I paid them 10
  bucks and they gave me the shot.  I could have been a Martian for
  all they cared.
 
  And that proves...what, exactly?
 
  My health insurance card, with TEIGIT, has my SS#
  on it.  I complained to them, because I can't carry
  the card in my wallet.  They said they were working
  on a new system, but it wouldn't be ready for some
  time yet.
 
 Well, neither my health insurance card or that for my kids has any 
 SS #s on it.  My driver's license used to, but they stopped that 
 years ago.  I don't remember whether or not I had to give it to 
 apply for any of the credit cards I've had over the years.

Since the advent of identity theft, there is a growing
movement to stop using SS#s for routine identification.
But by no means everyone is on board with it yet.  Some
institutions stopped using it earlier than others.

  I had to give my SS# to open a bank account six
  five years ago.  You have to give it on most
  credit card applications.  My landlord wanted it
  when I first rented the condo I just bought, also
  five years ago.
 
 And these relate to the TMO how, exactly?

I don't understand the question.  I'm responding to
your assertion that asking for SS#s has never been
routine and is hardly done at all any more, and
*therefore* that the TMO's request for it is somehow
sinister.

 Would you describe any of the above situations as routine?

Again, what would *you* call them?  Do you think
I was being singled out for special treatment, or
is everyone who opens a bank account at that bank
required to give their SS#?

 I thought SS #s were used  when security issues were at stake, like 
 with savings accounts and deeds, or when dealing with large amounts 
 of people.  Neither of those situations applies to the TMO courses, 
 especially nowadays.

A lot of people learned the TM-Sidhis and were, as I
recall, asked to give their SS#s, as they were when
they learned plain-vanilla TM, and when they applied
for other courses.  The SS# is therefore an easy way
to track a person's TM career, as it were, in this
case to make sure they had actually taken the
TM-Sidhis course.

  You didn't answer my question, Sal.  I don't think you
  have any actual threat in mind.  You just thought it
  sounded good to use the word intimidation.
 
 And you've proven my point for me, by admitting you wouldn't give 
 it to them.

Good GRIEF.  You claimed they were asking for it to
*intimidate* people.  Is the TMO trying to intimidate
people by making them think their SS#s won't be secure?
That makes no *sense*, Sal.  Intimidation and concerns
about security are two entirely different issues.

 I think they know perfectly well that people, in general,
 don't like to give them out and probably never have.

One more time: Asking for SS#s as a means of
identification *used* to be routine, and still is in
many cases.  I seriously doubt they even thought
about it.  That's certainly typical TMO
*incompetence*, but it's not meant as a *threat*,
i.e., if you give us your SS#, we'll make it
available to identity thieves.

 I doubt they'd use them for anything (since to my knowledge they 
 never actually have)

How would you know if they had?  I'd be surprised if they
hadn't used them to correlate records of all kinds.  The
SS# is a unique national identifier, which is why it was
used routinely for so long as a means of identifying
people, including distinguishing individuals who have
the same names, for example.

 -- It's a power trip.  And I don't think getting involved
 in that kind of game is healthy.

That's just paranoid, Sal.  The TMO has always been on
a power trip, but SS#s aren't an example, *except* to
verify that one is qualified to go on particular
courses and so on, and they could certainly check that
just by using names and dates, although with more difficulty
and more possibility of error.  I haven't gone on a course
in a while, so I don't know if they're still doing this,
but they also used to ask for the name of your initiator
when you applied for a course.  That was another way of
checking to make sure you had actually learned TM.

In other words, unless they were to ask for no personal
information at all, the intimidation you're imagining
would still

[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

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wrote:

 And none of that applies to the TMO, as you know, Judy.

None of *what* applies to the TMO??

 If you think they could identify Micky Mouse by his SS #,

I don't believe I ever suggested that, Sal.  I don't
think Mickey Mouse has a SS#.  What the *blazes* are
you talking about?

 try a little test.  Try giving them a fake one and see
 what happens--bet nothing will, because they've never
 put in place the means to detect a fake one, probably 
 because they don't have the brains to.  They have no
 database to speak of, which is why they ask for it
 every time.

Um.  It isn't a matter of detecting a fake SS#.  If
they checked, they'd find the SS# you gave wasn't in
their database (of course they have a database!), so
they wouldn't be able to verify that you'd ever learned
TM, much less the TM-Sidhis.

They ask for it every time so they can correlate it
with their other records.  Names aren't as good an
identifier for any number of reasons.

It's probably not a very *good* database, but they've
had a database ever since I learned TM in '75, 
certainly.  How do you think National was able to
send out all those mailings?

 It's simply intimidation, like I said.

And you *still* haven't come up with the threat
that you imagine they're intimidating you *with*!

 Sal
 
 On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:56 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
 
  The private sector also uses SSNs extensively as a means to 
identify
  an individual's records in a database and as an authenticator to
  confirm the identity of an individual.6 SSNs are often used by
  financial service companies to link individuals to their accounts
  and, as a result, they are highly valuable to would-be identity
  thieves.7







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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And none of that applies to the TMO, as you know, Judy.  If you think 
 they could identify Micky  Mouse by his SS #, try a little test.  Try 
 giving them a fake one and see what happens--bet nothing will, because 
 they've never put in place the means  to detect a fake one, probably 
 because they don't have the brains to.  They have no database to 
 speak of,  which is why they ask for it every time.  It's simply 
 intimidation, like I said.
 
 Sal

They didn't have my SSN back then, but there was enough of a database at one 
point for 
me to call up cand get my teacher's name.

BTW, if you're correct that people only need to ask for an SSN once, why would 
the IRS 
want you to put it on paper? Maybe to verify they've got the right Sal Sunshine?


 
 On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:56 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
 
  The private sector also uses SSNs extensively as a means to identify
  an individual's records in a database and as an authenticator to
  confirm the identity of an individual.6 SSNs are often used by
  financial service companies to link individuals to their accounts
  and, as a result, they are highly valuable to would-be identity
  thieves.7







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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
  I don't think there was ever a law against using it
  for other things, unless it was changed before I
  started filling out forms on my own (40-plus years
  ago)--applications for jobs, bank accounts, credit
  cards, apartment leases, physicians' forms, you name
  it.  I believe I recall being asked to put it on
  checks when I used them to pay for things in stores.
  
  Or perhaps the law was just widely ignored.
 
 The latter, I think. I recall a huge outcry against using
 teh SSN as the student ID at the U of AZ back in the early
 70's. There was a legal component where it was argued that
 it was illegal to do so in the first place.

Possibly it was a state law?  The AARP article I cited
discusses policy options and legislation to restrict
the use of SS#s in some detail, but it says nothing about
there ever having been a federal law to that effect.  In
that context, it would have been a very strange omission.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

On Aug 23, 2006, at 8:17 AM, authfriend wrote:

 -- It's a power trip.  And I don't think getting involved
 in that kind of game is healthy.

 That's just paranoid, Sal.  The TMO has always been on
 a power trip, but SS#s aren't an example, *except* to
 verify that one is qualified to go on particular
 courses and so on, and they could certainly check that
 just by using names and dates, although with more difficulty
 and more possibility of error.  I haven't gone on a course
 in a while, so I don't know if they're still doing this,
 but they also used to ask for the name of your initiator
 when you applied for a course.  That was another way of
 checking to make sure you had actually learned TM.

Come off it, Judy.  I'd be amazed if they had records going back a few 
years, much less when someone learned TM.  The bit about the teacher's 
name is just more TMO silliness, as anyone could have made up a name.  
Tell you what...next time you apply for a course, make up some name to 
put in the initiator's blank, and see what happens--I'll bet nothing.  
(The name, of course, would have to be something that doesn't call 
attention to itself, could even be the name of an initiator, just not 
*your* initiator.)

 In other words, unless they were to ask for no personal
 information at all, the intimidation you're imagining
 would still be a factor.  The only thing about SS#s is
 that they're a very efficient means of identification.

 And another point--usually when an organization asks you for one,
 that's it.  They don't keep asking you every single time.

 Sure they do, in many circumstances, as a way of verifying
 you're who you say you are.  An SS# is sort of like a
 password.

Sort of like? I must have missed the secret handshake.

   These idiots
 just want you to know they've got something on you--again and again.

 Got WHAT on you??

 And again, see the AARP link, which explains why
 SS#s are routinely used for identification.

 I didn't see any link.

 There's been a lot of posting delays these days.  I
 made the AARP post before I made the one saying to
 see the AARP link, but it just appeared this morning.

 For the record, if I had to give them my SS# to
 go on a course these days, I wouldn't do it, even
 if it meant I couldn't go.  I don't trust them to
 keep those records secure from people who might
 use them for identity theft.

 So then you *do* think they could be used for nefarious purposes-
 -

 Of course.  But that's not why the TMO is asking for
 them, obviously.

 OK, why are they asking for them then?

 AS A MEANS OF IDENTIFICATION.  Sheesh!  Same
 reason so many other institutions have used them.

And a photo ID would do just as well, same reason so many other 
organizations have used *them.*  Sheesh.  (Actually, your word 
institution to describe the TMO, is a much better one, for obvious 
reasons.  You hit the mark.)

 who else besides people in the TMO would ever have access to that
 info?

 Not everyone in the TMO is necessarily an upstanding
 citizen, first of all.  Some lower-level administrative
 person with financial needs and no scruples might have
 access to a list of SS#s and get ideas.  Lists of SS#s
 are worth big bucks in the identity theft market.  You
 can sell them to brokers, who then sell them to
 individuals who commit the actual identity theft.

 Second, there are any number of ways the numbers could
 get to non-TMO people.  Someone could walk in a door
 left unlocked and steal the records; some nitwit TMer
 could throw a batch of unneeded printouts in the trash;
 a janitor could find the records sitting on someone's
 desk; a hacker could break into the computer system if
 it weren't secured properly, etc., etc., etc.

 This is why you don't want to have to give out your
 SS# if you can possibly avoid it--because they're
 *worth lots of money*, and even an organization
 with the most spotless motives can be careless about
 how they're handled.

 Knowing the level of disorganization and general
 incompetence in the TMO, I simply wouldn't trust them
 to keep the numbers secure.

 That's my point exactly.  Whether it's directly by someone with
 some nefarious intent, or simply because some idiot gets careless,
 you would not trust the TMO with potentially sensitive
 information.

 Once again: So they're trying to intimidate people by
 suggesting that people with nefarious intent will get
 hold of your SS# and commit identity theft because
 the TMO is riddled with careless idiots?

No, that was your point--I said they did it for intimidation.  But I 
certainly agree with anyone who says the TMO is filled with a bunch of 
careless idiots--works for me. :)

 Sal, that was *not* your original point.  If it were,
 I'd have agreed with you instantly.  You claimed they
 are asking for it to *intimidate* people.  And you
 still haven't come up with what you think the actual
 *threat* is that they're supposedly intimidating
 people *with*.

 Fill in the blank:

 We're asking

[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 snip
   I don't think there was ever a law against using it
   for other things, unless it was changed before I
   started filling out forms on my own (40-plus years
   ago)--applications for jobs, bank accounts, credit
   cards, apartment leases, physicians' forms, you name
   it.  I believe I recall being asked to put it on
   checks when I used them to pay for things in stores.
   
   Or perhaps the law was just widely ignored.
  
  The latter, I think. I recall a huge outcry against using
  teh SSN as the student ID at the U of AZ back in the early
  70's. There was a legal component where it was argued that
  it was illegal to do so in the first place.
 
 Possibly it was a state law?  The AARP article I cited
 discusses policy options and legislation to restrict
 the use of SS#s in some detail, but it says nothing about
 there ever having been a federal law to that effect.  In
 that context, it would have been a very strange omission.


A quick google yields the official history. Apparently I misunderstood the 
issues:

http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/ssnchron.html





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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Aug 23, 2006, at 8:17 AM, authfriend wrote:
 
  -- It's a power trip.  And I don't think getting involved
  in that kind of game is healthy.
 
  That's just paranoid, Sal.  The TMO has always been on
  a power trip, but SS#s aren't an example, *except* to
  verify that one is qualified to go on particular
  courses and so on, and they could certainly check that
  just by using names and dates, although with more difficulty
  and more possibility of error.  I haven't gone on a course
  in a while, so I don't know if they're still doing this,
  but they also used to ask for the name of your initiator
  when you applied for a course.  That was another way of
  checking to make sure you had actually learned TM.
 
 Come off it, Judy.  I'd be amazed if they had records going
 back a few years, much less when someone learned TM.

I'd be amazed if they didn't.

 The bit about the teacher's name is just more TMO silliness, as 
 anyone could have made up a name.

But it wouldn't have matched what was on your
initiation record.

 Tell you what...next time you apply for a course, make up
 some name to put in the initiator's blank, and see what happens--
 I'll bet nothing.

Maybe not, but that wouldn't exactly prove anything,
would it?

  In other words, unless they were to ask for no personal
  information at all, the intimidation you're imagining
  would still be a factor.  The only thing about SS#s is
  that they're a very efficient means of identification.
 
  And another point--usually when an organization asks you for one,
  that's it.  They don't keep asking you every single time.
 
  Sure they do, in many circumstances, as a way of verifying
  you're who you say you are.  An SS# is sort of like a
  password.
 
 Sort of like? I must have missed the secret handshake.

Cute, but a non sequitur.  Guess you had no comeback
for that one.

snip
  OK, why are they asking for them then?
 
  AS A MEANS OF IDENTIFICATION.  Sheesh!  Same
  reason so many other institutions have used them.
 
 And a photo ID would do just as well, same reason so many other 
 organizations have used *them.*

THINK, Sal.  Photo IDs can easily be faked, first
of all.  Second, what good is a photo ID for
checking the central database?  All a photo ID
proves is that the person in front of you has a
piece of paper with their photo on it.

Driver's licenses used to have both, a photo and
SS#.  Were they trying to intimidate people?  Or
were the two useful for different purposes?

And driver's licenses still use numbers to identify
people.  It's just a different set of numbers created
for the same purpose as the SS#, except that it's
limited to identifying drivers.

snip
  Knowing the level of disorganization and general
  incompetence in the TMO, I simply wouldn't trust them
  to keep the numbers secure.
 
  That's my point exactly.  Whether it's directly by someone with
  some nefarious intent, or simply because some idiot gets 
  careless, you would not trust the TMO with potentially sensitive
  information.
 
  Once again: So they're trying to intimidate people by
  suggesting that people with nefarious intent will get
  hold of your SS# and commit identity theft because
  the TMO is riddled with careless idiots?
 
 No, that was your point--I said they did it for intimidation.

Right, then you said not trusting them to keep the
numbers secure was your point: In other words, they
were trying to intimidate people by suggesting that
their SS#s weren't secure.

That's the implication of what you've said, Sal.  You
boxed yourself into that corner.

If you want to get out of it, suggest another basis
for your intimidation idea, because your attempt to
hijack my concern with security and graft it onto your
claim of intimidation just doesn't pass the giggle test.

As I asked:

  Fill in the blank:
 
  We're asking for your SS# so that if you don't
  toe the line, we can __.

Face it, Sal.  You never had any threat in mind.  But
without a threat, the notion of intimidation is utter
nonsense.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

On Aug 23, 2006, at 8:29 AM, authfriend wrote:

 It's probably not a very *good* database, but they've
 had a database ever since I learned TM in '75,
 certainly.  How do you think National was able to
 send out all those mailings?

I never got any mailings.  And around 1975 sounds about right for their 
database.

 It's simply intimidation, like I said.

 And you *still* haven't come up with the threat
 that you imagine they're intimidating you *with*!

Sigh.  As I already said, a power trip. And no, I don't know WHY they 
would want to do that.   But that and all the other idiocy that went on 
is the main reason most of us are no longer involved.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

Oh, heavens.  Now who's being paranoid, Judy?  Yeah, I'm sure somebody would want to get on a course so badly they would do that.  That's right up there with the CIA agents silliness.  TMO courses are just *so* important people would fake their identities to participate.  Get real.

Sal


On Aug 23, 2006, at 11:11 AM, authfriend wrote:

THINK, Sal.  Photo IDs can easily be faked, first
of all.

[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oh, heavens.  Now who's being paranoid, Judy?  Yeah, I'm sure somebody 
 would want to get on a course so badly they would do that.  That's 
 right up there with the CIA agents silliness.  TMO courses are just 
 *so* important people would fake their identities to participate.  Get 
 real.
 
 Sal

The national enquirer or some other tabloid might have wanted to at some point. 

 
 
 On Aug 23, 2006, at 11:11 AM, authfriend wrote:
 
  THINK, Sal.  Photo IDs can easily be faked, first
  of all. 
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 On Aug 23, 2006, at 8:29 AM, authfriend wrote:
 
  It's probably not a very *good* database, but they've
  had a database ever since I learned TM in '75,
  certainly.  How do you think National was able to
  send out all those mailings?
 
 I never got any mailings.

You must never have gotten on the database.  I used
to get a mailing every week or so, for years, from
National.  And I got mailings from the Manhattan
Center and other nearby centers (New Haven, Asbury
Park, etc.) for many years after that.

  And around 1975 sounds about right for
 their database.

You said you'd be amazed if they had records going
back a few years, much less when someone learned TM.

I'll color you amazed.

  It's simply intimidation, like I said.
 
  And you *still* haven't come up with the threat
  that you imagine they're intimidating you *with*!
 
 Sigh.  As I already said, a power trip. And no, I don't know WHY
 they would want to do that.

Can't have intimidation without a threat, Sal, sorry.

 But that and all the other idiocy that went on 
 is the main reason most of us are no longer involved.

Yeah.  My point is that that reason, at least, is
purely imaginary.

They ask for the SS# because they've *always* asked
for the SS# (at least since 1975)--just as everybody
else did--and nobody at the TMO has had the brains to
realize it's no longer a good idea or the initiative
to actually institute a new policy.

That's all there is to it.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

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 Oh, heavens.  Now who's being paranoid, Judy?  Yeah, I'm sure
 somebody would want to get on a course so badly they would do 
 that.  That's right up there with the CIA agents silliness.  TMO 
 courses are just *so* important people would fake their identities to 
 participate.  Get real.

LOL!!

Seems like courses are important enough that people
here are absolutely foaming with outrage over the
exclusions from the current course; some have even
recommended that people lie about their activities
to get on it.

And this course doesn't even *cost* anything.

And of course you carefully omitted the other reason
I cited: that photo IDs are useful in some situations
and completely useless in others--which is why driver's
licenses used to have both photo and SS#.




 
 Sal
 
 
 On Aug 23, 2006, at 11:11 AM, authfriend wrote:
 
  THINK, Sal.  Photo IDs can easily be faked, first
  of all. 
 








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-23 Thread Rick Archer

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?





on 8/22/06 5:25 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:00 PM, new.morning wrote:
 
 That gets to my primary point. How many are being forcefully ejected
 from the domes?
 
 So far, I've only heard of one, but even that is too many. He 
 apparently wasn't doing anything except meditating.

Actually, he was doing asanas in an outer room.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 So I value your, on the ground, insights from the front. It 
appears
 to me, most all are being accepted to the domes. Is your 
observation
 there in FF different? Right now? (not 3-4 weeks ago).
 
 Thanks.



On the ground, you have to figure that most who wanted to try for 
badges have tried it before now.  People have tried or not tried for 
various reasons.  And who figure 'why bother' whether they have 
their badges or not, if the guidelines are what they are, 'I won't 
be a party to it'.  It is a trickle at this point applying for 
registration that is pre-sorted in time since three or four weeks 
ago.

Figure, they tell ShivaMa that the guidelines are the same and have 
been extended to cover even citizen sidhas now.  David Hawthorne is 
reject because he Won't renounce or or sign a  recant of his study 
or practice of jotish..  Bill Pollak as a governor walks in with 
pony tail down, beard and jean overalls and gits a badge.  Go 
figure, the guidelines have not changed but some pages are not read 
or ignored for some people at some times.  Mixed messaging?  

It is in process evidently, probably depending on whether it is 
John's view  his people or Bevan's usually hard-line take on 
administration of the guidelines.  With the TMorg it is all sub-
terrain vie-ing.   They evidently just can't come out and say it, 
what the guidelines are, because the guidelines are so rigid that if 
they were universally applied few could be left in the domes at 
all.  There is a practicality on the ground in not being clear about 
it.  It is just TMorg theocracy waiting on MMY.

With best regards,

-Doug in FF











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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?


On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:32 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

on 8/22/06 5:25 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:00 PM, new.morning wrote:
 > 
 >> That gets to my primary point. How many are being forcefully ejected
 >> from the domes?
 > 
 > So far, I've only heard of one, but even that is too many.  He 
 > apparently wasn't doing anything except meditating.

Actually, he was doing asanas in an outer room


Well, now that explains everything then, doesn't it? :)

Sal

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:32 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

on 8/22/06 5:25 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:00 PM, new.morning wrote:
 > 
 >> That gets to my primary point. How many are being forcefully ejected
 >> from the domes?
 > 
 > So far, I've only heard of one, but even that is too many.  He 
 > apparently wasn't doing anything except meditating.

Actually, he was doing asanas in an outer room

Well, that explains everything then, doesn't it? :)

BTW, anybody know why Yahoo, from last night on, hasn't been posting some emails?  Anybody posting from the website having the same problems?

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-23 Thread Paul Mason

Some postings on FFL website have taken upwards of 12 hours to 
appear, but they all seem to get there in the end. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:32 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  on 8/22/06 5:25 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:00 PM, new.morning wrote:
   
That gets to my primary point. How many are being forcefully 
  ejected
from the domes?
   
So far, I've only heard of one, but even that is too many.  He
apparently wasn't doing anything except meditating.
 
  Actually, he was doing asanas in an outer room
 
 
  Well, that explains everything then, doesn't it? :)
 
 BTW, anybody know why Yahoo, from last night on, hasn't been 
posting 
 some emails?  Anybody posting from the website having the same 
 problems?
 
 Sal








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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-23 Thread nablus108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@  
  So I value your, on the ground, insights from the front. It 
 appears
  to me, most all are being accepted to the domes. Is your 
 observation
  there in FF different? Right now? (not 3-4 weeks ago).
  
  Thanks.
 
 
 
 On the ground, you have to figure that most who wanted to try for 
 badges have tried it before now.  People have tried or not tried 
for 
 various reasons.  And who figure 'why bother' whether they have 
 their badges or not, if the guidelines are what they are, 'I won't 
 be a party to it'.  It is a trickle at this point applying for 
 registration that is pre-sorted in time since three or four weeks 
 ago.
 
 Figure, they tell ShivaMa that the guidelines are the same and have 
 been extended to cover even citizen sidhas now.  David Hawthorne is 
 reject because he Won't renounce or or sign a  recant of his study 
 or practice of jotish..  Bill Pollak as a governor walks in with 
 pony tail down, beard and jean overalls and gits a badge.  Go 
 figure, the guidelines have not changed but some pages are not read 
 or ignored for some people at some times.  Mixed messaging?  
 
 It is in process evidently, probably depending on whether it is 
 John's view  his people or Bevan's usually hard-line take on 
 administration of the guidelines.  With the TMorg it is all sub-
 terrain vie-ing.   They evidently just can't come out and say it, 
 what the guidelines are, because the guidelines are so rigid that 
if 
 they were universally applied few could be left in the domes at 
 all.  There is a practicality on the ground in not being clear 
about 
 it.  It is just TMorg theocracy waiting on MMY.
 
 With best regards,
 
 -Doug in FF

 It's sad really, that the situation for the USA now is so grave that 
the TMO seems to loosen up on the gudelines. I suppose Maharishi has 
sanctioned letting all sorts of weirdos into the Domes hoping it 
would have some sort of postitive effect. Who knows, perhaps it has.

What exactly are the numbers flying now ?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-23 Thread Alex Stanley

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Aug 23, 2006, at 8:17 AM, authfriend wrote:
 
  -- It's a power trip.  And I don't think getting involved
  in that kind of game is healthy.
 
  That's just paranoid, Sal.  The TMO has always been on
  a power trip, but SS#s aren't an example, *except* to
  verify that one is qualified to go on particular
  courses and so on, and they could certainly check that
  just by using names and dates, although with more difficulty
  and more possibility of error.  I haven't gone on a course
  in a while, so I don't know if they're still doing this,
  but they also used to ask for the name of your initiator
  when you applied for a course.  That was another way of
  checking to make sure you had actually learned TM.
 
 Come off it, Judy.  I'd be amazed if they had records going
 back a few years, much less when someone learned TM.  The bit
 about the teacher's name is just more TMO silliness, as anyone
 could have made up a name.  Tell you what...next time you apply
 for a course, make up some name to put in the initiator's blank,
 and see what happens--I'll bet nothing.  (The name, of course,
 would have to be something that doesn't call attention to itself,
 could even be the name of an initiator, just not *your* initiator.)

There is someone on the course who was asked about his involvement
with Robin Carlson. Robin Carlson was doing his thing in FF back in
1982-83. Think the TMO doesn't keep records? Better think again 'cuz
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-23 Thread new . morning

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
 wrote:
 
  On Aug 23, 2006, at 8:17 AM, authfriend wrote:
  
   -- It's a power trip.  And I don't think getting involved
   in that kind of game is healthy.
  
   That's just paranoid, Sal.  The TMO has always been on
   a power trip, but SS#s aren't an example, *except* to
   verify that one is qualified to go on particular
   courses and so on, and they could certainly check that
   just by using names and dates, although with more difficulty
   and more possibility of error.  I haven't gone on a course
   in a while, so I don't know if they're still doing this,
   but they also used to ask for the name of your initiator
   when you applied for a course.  That was another way of
   checking to make sure you had actually learned TM.
  
  Come off it, Judy.  I'd be amazed if they had records going
  back a few years, much less when someone learned TM.  The bit
  about the teacher's name is just more TMO silliness, as anyone
  could have made up a name.  Tell you what...next time you apply
  for a course, make up some name to put in the initiator's blank,
  and see what happens--I'll bet nothing.  (The name, of course,
  would have to be something that doesn't call attention to itself,
  could even be the name of an initiator, just not *your* initiator.)
 
 There is someone on the course who was asked about his involvement
 with Robin Carlson. Robin Carlson was doing his thing in FF back in
 1982-83. Think the TMO doesn't keep records? Better think again 'cuz
 they sure as hell do.

2064 -- MUM Course Office: So, tell us about your great grandfather's
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
  Knowing the level of disorganization and general
  incompetence in the TMO, I simply wouldn't trust them 
  to keep the numbers secure.
 
 Secure ha! They'll run a DB and Eqifax on you.

That's certainly possible!  But would that be
designed to intimidate me, as Sal suggests?







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

Those weren't the kinds of records I was talking about, obviously.

Any dirt on anyone I'm sure they'd keep somewhere, even any alleged dirt.  For all we know, they probably have a database somewhere on *future* dirt, and who is most likely to be a contender.  Anything to make someone's life a little more miserable, that's our TMO.

Sal


On Aug 23, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:

There is someone on the course who was asked about his involvement
with Robin Carlson. Robin Carlson was doing his thing in FF back in
1982-83. Think the TMO doesn't keep records? Better think again 'cuz
they sure as hell

[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-23 Thread jyouells2000

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@  
   So I value your, on the ground, insights from the front. It 
  appears
   to me, most all are being accepted to the domes. Is your 
  observation
   there in FF different? Right now? (not 3-4 weeks ago).
   
   Thanks.
  
  
  
  On the ground, you have to figure that most who wanted to try for 
  badges have tried it before now.  People have tried or not tried 
 for 
  various reasons.  And who figure 'why bother' whether they have 
  their badges or not, if the guidelines are what they are, 'I won't 
  be a party to it'.  It is a trickle at this point applying for 
  registration that is pre-sorted in time since three or four weeks 
  ago.
  
  Figure, they tell ShivaMa that the guidelines are the same and have 
  been extended to cover even citizen sidhas now.  David Hawthorne is 
  reject because he Won't renounce or or sign a  recant of his study 
  or practice of jotish..  Bill Pollak as a governor walks in with 
  pony tail down, beard and jean overalls and gits a badge.  Go 
  figure, the guidelines have not changed but some pages are not read 
  or ignored for some people at some times.  Mixed messaging?  
  
  It is in process evidently, probably depending on whether it is 
  John's view  his people or Bevan's usually hard-line take on 
  administration of the guidelines.  With the TMorg it is all sub-
  terrain vie-ing.   They evidently just can't come out and say it, 
  what the guidelines are, because the guidelines are so rigid that 
 if 
  they were universally applied few could be left in the domes at 
  all.  There is a practicality on the ground in not being clear 
 about 
  it.  It is just TMorg theocracy waiting on MMY.
  
  With best regards,
  
  -Doug in FF
 
  It's sad really, that the situation for the USA now is so grave that 
 the TMO seems to loosen up on the gudelines. I suppose Maharishi has 
 sanctioned letting all sorts of weirdos into the Domes hoping it 
 would have some sort of postitive effect. Who knows, perhaps it has.
 
 What exactly are the numbers flying now ?


What's sad is that there is a donor who is probably paying the course
fees and they still can't get enough people. That's what happens when
you loose touch with the needs of people, and don't teach TM anymore.

JohnY 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-23 Thread jyouells2000

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 snip
   Knowing the level of disorganization and general
   incompetence in the TMO, I simply wouldn't trust them 
   to keep the numbers secure.
  
  Secure ha! They'll run a DB and Eqifax on you.
 
 That's certainly possible!  But would that be
 designed to intimidate me, as Sal suggests?


Nah, just looking for new Rajini's :) 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Those weren't the kinds of records I was talking about, obviously.
 
 Any dirt on anyone I'm sure they'd keep somewhere, even any alleged 
 dirt.  For all we know, they probably have a database somewhere on 
 *future* dirt, and who is most likely to be a contender.  Anything to 
 make someone's life a little more miserable, that's our TMO.
 

This is the group that can't keep the Domes painted, and people are worrying 
about the 
efficiency of the IT deartment...

 Sal
 
 
 On Aug 23, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
 
  There is someone on the course who was asked about his involvement
  with Robin Carlson. Robin Carlson was doing his thing in FF back in
  1982-83. Think the TMO doesn't keep records? Better think again 'cuz
  they sure as hell







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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@  
   So I value your, on the ground, insights from the front. It 
  appears
   to me, most all are being accepted to the domes. Is your 
  observation
   there in FF different? Right now? (not 3-4 weeks ago).
   
   Thanks.
  
  
  
  On the ground, you have to figure that most who wanted to try 
for 
  badges have tried it before now.  People have tried or not tried 
 for 
  various reasons.  And who figure 'why bother' whether they have 
  their badges or not, if the guidelines are what they are, 'I 
won't 
  be a party to it'.  It is a trickle at this point applying for 
  registration that is pre-sorted in time since three or four 
weeks 
  ago.
  
  Figure, they tell ShivaMa that the guidelines are the same and 
have 
  been extended to cover even citizen sidhas now.  David Hawthorne 
is 
  reject because he Won't renounce or or sign a  recant of his 
study 
  or practice of jotish..  Bill Pollak as a governor walks in with 
  pony tail down, beard and jean overalls and gits a badge.  Go 
  figure, the guidelines have not changed but some pages are not 
read 
  or ignored for some people at some times.  Mixed messaging?  
  
  It is in process evidently, probably depending on whether it is 
  John's view  his people or Bevan's usually hard-line take on 
  administration of the guidelines.  With the TMorg it is all sub-
  terrain vie-ing.   They evidently just can't come out and say 
it, 
  what the guidelines are, because the guidelines are so rigid 
that 
 if 
  they were universally applied few could be left in the domes at 
  all.  There is a practicality on the ground in not being clear 
 about 
  it.  It is just TMorg theocracy waiting on MMY.
  
  With best regards,
  
  -Doug in FF
 
  It's sad really, that the situation for the USA now is so grave 
that 
 the TMO seems to loosen up on the gudelines. I suppose Maharishi 
has 
 sanctioned letting all sorts of weirdos into the Domes hoping it 
 would have some sort of postitive effect. Who knows, perhaps it 
has.
 
 What exactly are the numbers flying now ?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

nablus108 writes: it's sad really, that the situation for the USA 
now is so grave that
the TMO seems to loosen up on the gudelines. 

Doug writing:
Yes that is the point and it is about the guidelines here  the 
nature of the meditating community here.  It is about necessity.  If 
they (the TMorg) really enforced the guidelines hundreds of people 
would not qualify to be part of the ME here  The rank and file and 
all the echelon of the movement are involved.  Do people lie to get 
in to the domes?. Probalbly most if it was really pressed.  ShivaMa 
is not extraordinary really.  There are simply many hundreds of 
people just like her.  There are hundreds of people like her in the 
domes now.  The guidelines are just out of line and on the ground 
the administration is doing the best it can in a theocracy where the 
current project is to try for the ME.  An irony is that Jeanne is 
actually the tru-beiliever by her experience if anyone is.

With Kind Regards, 
-Doug in FF






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-22 Thread kenwoodfx

It is, as anything else an individual decision. You, and everyone else decide for yourself what you will do, where you will go or not, whether you will go in the dome or not, whether you will trust and follow your teacher, who gave us such a tremendously great knowledge. Do we really understand what he has given us? It all goes naturally, everything goes naturally, there is no reason to worry about it. Don`t wait for anyone else to be more perfect, butdecide for yourself to become more perfect, and thenthe environment will be more perfect, too. Decide what you want, and enjoy in that freedom of choice. If you want to come in the dome, then come. Drop by drop, the ocean will be full.dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, a defender of the faith. Thanks for coming out. It is good to have the more purist take also here. Ken, I posted a question the other day and there were really no takers. Could you take a try?http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/109126what say the tru-believer reading the list?Have they no thot on this? How do the insiders going to the domessee it going? How about a defender of the faithful speaking forthem? A public defender? What do they see it taking to bring asignificant number back?-Doug in FF--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: Mistakes you make, wrong words, wrong thinking. Just come in your pure source, and all the impurities will simply go away. Just then you will be more happy and better in every way. Still there is time for that. Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote: --- kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: If someone is rejected, there is a reason for that, but that is not a reason for not coming in the Dome in this important time in world history. People who wants to do good will not think like that. Everyone who is invited is invited with good reason, and should come and do good for the world, not thinking about what small ego says, being afraid for his
existence. Ken ,you mood making twit. Do you have an original thought. Seems like you lost your balls a long time ago. How's your yoni? MMY has been beating this silly drum for decades (are you new canon fodder or something?). Next you'll be telling us that the pundits will come if we just squeeze our butt checks together hard enough. Ahh. Wonderful rajasic outburst for the day! I can't stand these mood-making, Capital fops that have ruined the movement with there sing-songy little girl voices wearing their light tan suits and so terrified of aggression or asserting an original thought. The greatest irony is that you are MMY's curse and you don't even know it. ...,
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It is, as anything else an individual decision. You, and everyone else
decide for yourself what you will do, where you will go or not, whether
you will go in the dome or not, whether you will trust and follow your
teacher, who gave us such a tremendously great knowledge. Do we really
understand what he has given us? It all goes naturally, everything goes
naturally, there is no reason to worry about it. Don`t wait for anyone
else to be more perfect, but decide for yourself to become more perfect,
and then the environment will be more perfect, too.
   Decide what you want, and enjoy in that freedom of choice.
   If you want to come in the dome, then come.
   Drop by drop, the ocean will be full.

 dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Ken, a defender of the faith. Thanks for coming out. It is
good to
 have the more purist take also here. Ken, I posted a question the
 other day and there were really no takers. Could you take a try?
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/109126
 what say the tru-believer reading the list?
 Have they no thot on this? How do the insiders going to the domes
 see it going? How about a defender of the faithful speaking for
 them? A public defender? What do they see it taking to bring a
 significant number back?

 -Doug in FF

Is this the 'SIMS Shuffle' ?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-22 Thread dhamiltony2k5

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

wrote: Is this the 'SIMS Shuffle' ?
-JohnY


 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote:
 
  It is, as anything else an individual decision. 

Doug writing, yes a beautiful example of TM.movement non-answer. TM-
Movement-Speak.  
Part of the deal here is that we do live together in this community 
and how the Tmorg acts and thinks does influence a lot of people 
here, our friends and neighbors.  To just dismiss the real and say 
it is all an individual decision begs the question:
 What would
 you suppose they would have to do in order to bring a more
 significant number of people back? Would they come back?
 Start with round numbers, a million TM meditators taught in the
US,
 with
 some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of
thousands
 people taught the TM0-sidhis (27K?); and a few hundreds show up
when
 called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974

 A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, what
 would the TMOrg need do to reconcile
 with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could
 the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg
 with its meditators?

 With Kind Regards,

 -Doug in FF


This question above, what say the tru-believer reading the list?
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see it going? How about a defender of the faithful speaking for
them? A public defender? What do they see it taking to bring a
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-22 Thread kenwoodfx




If you don`t, or don`t want to understand what I meant, then it`s also your decision.Those who want to understand, will understand. If someone doesn`t want, it is also OK.Anyway, I have tried to explain it to you, in my previous reply.For some time, I will not lose my time.You, and everyone else can write whatever you want.I had a good will to inspire more people to come in the Dome.Everyone will choose for themselves what they like.Let it be.I wish you all the best.dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" [EMAIL PROTECTED].   wrote: Is this the 'SIMS Shuffle' ? -JohnY  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote: It is, as anything else an individual decision.   Doug writing, yes a beautiful example of TM.movement non-answer. TM- Movement-Speak.   Part of the deal here is that we do live together in this community  and how the Tmorg acts and thinks does influence a lot of people  here, our friends and neighbors.  To just dismiss the real and say  it is all an individual decision begs the question:  What would  you suppose they would have to do in order to bring a more  significant number of people back? Would they come
 back?  Start with round numbers, a million TM meditators taught in the US,  with  some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of thousands  people taught the TM0-sidhis (27K?); and a few hundreds show up when  called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974   A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, what  would the TMOrg need do to reconcile  with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could  the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg  with its meditators?   With Kind Regards,   -Doug in FF   This question above, what say the tru-believer reading the list? Have they no thot on this? How do the insiders going to the domes see it going? How
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

Ken,  all your silly rantings are going to accomplish is to show people 
how lucky they are *not* to be in the Domes...and castigating people 
for standing on principle by refusing to apply when others are still 
being rejected, shows an almost incredible lack of basic integrity.

Get a life.

Sal


On Aug 22, 2006, at 10:28 AM, kenwoodfx wrote:

  If you don`t, or don`t want to understand what I meant, then it`s 
 also your decision.
 Those who want to understand, will understand. If someone doesn`t 
 want, it is also OK.
 Anyway, I have tried to explain it to you, in my previous reply.
 For some time, I will not lose my time.
 You, and everyone else can write whatever you want.
 I had a good will to inspire more people to come in the Dome.
 Everyone will choose for themselves what they like.
 Let it be.
 I wish you all the best.



 dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:--- In 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  wrote: Is this the 'SIMS Shuffle' ?
  -JohnY

  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote:
   
It is, as anything else an individual decision.

  Doug writing, yes a beautiful example of TM.movement non-answer. TM-
  Movement-Speak.
  Part of the deal here is that we do live together in this community
  and how the Tmorg acts and thinks does influence a lot of people
  here, our friends and neighbors. To just dismiss the real and say
  it is all an individual decision begs the question:
   What would
   you suppose they would have to do in order to bring a more
   significant number of people back? Would they come back?
   Start with round numbers, a million TM meditators taught in the
  US,
   with
   some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of
  thousands
   people taught the TM0-sidhis (27K?); and a few hundreds show up
  when
   called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974
  
   A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, what
   would the TMOrg need do to reconcile
   with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could
   the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg
   with its meditators?
  
   With Kind Regards,
  
   -Doug in FF
  

  This question above, what say the tru-believer reading the list?
  Have they no thot on this? How do the insiders going to the domes
  see it going? How about a defender of the faithful speaking for
  them? A public defender? What do they see it taking to bring a
  significant number back?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-22 Thread kenwoodfx

You did not understand what I have written.Still that is not reason for you not to be more polite.Doesn`t matter.Bye.Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, all your silly rantings are going to accomplish is to show people how lucky they are *not* to be in the Domes...and castigating people for standing on principle by refusing to apply when others are still being rejected, shows an almost incredible lack of basic integrity. Get a life. Sal On Aug 22, 2006, at 10:28 AM,
kenwoodfx wrote:If you don`t, or don`t want to understand what I meant, then it`s also your decision. Those who want to understand, will understand. If someone doesn`t want, it is also OK. Anyway, I have tried to explain it to you, in my previous reply. For some time, I will not lose my time. You, and everyone else can write whatever you want. I had a good will to inspire more people to come in the Dome. Everyone will choose for themselves what they like. Let it be. I wish you all the best. dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@yahoo.com wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" [EMAIL PROTECTED].wrote: Is this the 'SIMS Shuffle' ? -JohnY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote: It is, as anything else an individual decision.Doug writing, yes a beautiful example of TM.movement non-answer. TM- Movement-Speak. Part of the deal here is that we do live together in this community and how the Tmorg acts and thinks does influence a lot of people here, our friends and neighbors. To just dismiss the real and say it is all an individual decision begs the question:What wouldyou suppose they would have to do in order to bring a moresignificant number of people back? Would they come back?Start with round numbers, a million TM meditators
taught in the US,withsome tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of thousandspeople taught the TM0-sidhis (27K?); and a few hundreds show up whencalled. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, whatwould the TMOrg need do to reconcilewith its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what couldthe elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorgwith its meditators? With Kind Regards, -Doug in FF This question above,
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-22 Thread new . morning

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Ken,  all your silly rantings are going to accomplish is to show people 
 how lucky they are *not* to be in the Domes...and castigating people 
 for standing on principle by refusing to apply when others are still 
 being rejected, shows an almost incredible lack of basic integrity.
 
 Get a life.
 
 Sal

Hi Sal, 

Over time, I have enjoyed your posts, common sense, and sly wit.

  people [who] stand[ing] on principle by refusing to apply when
others are still 
 being rejected

I am curious about your comment [slightly edited to hone in on the
point I am interested in]. Are many people being rejected currently?
Shivama seems to be quite an exceptions, perhaps a reasonable one, to
the general rule' -- that is my impression that all but the most
blatant are being accepted. 

For example Rory has been and is in the domes. Perhaps he was posting
here before your time -- I don't recall your entrance [slinky black
cocktail dress, right? :) ]. 

Rory has been accepted and per Rick, is attending the Domes. While
Rory is an engaging, interesting and charming guy, I like him, he is
hardly what one would call TMO mainstream. 

For example, he has a website that postulates or claims realization --
depending on which day you ask him :) 16 or 32 or some large  number
of states of enlightenement -- most beyond (the apparently MMY/TMO)
BC. And he has expounded on, done, dabbled, or seriously pursued many
different techniques and teaqches, AFAIR. Including some sort of
mediumship according to his website -- and former wife (who used to
post here also -- Vashti). He also used to run a esoteric book shop,
and gave classes on many esoteric topics. Apparently when he was in
FF, he had a following. All good and fine things in my book. But not
your typical TMO TBer.

So if Rory is being accepted, then the bar seems pretty low for those
with quite wide, non-TMO, spiritual topics and practices. 

Rick said Tom Traynor has also been accepted. Tom appears to also have
have wide ranging, beyond TMO, pursuits and practices. And heads a
weekly satsang in FF for the enlightened. 

Again, not your standard TMO TBer. 

So I value your, on the ground, insights from the front. It appears
to me, most all are being accepted to the domes. Is your observation
there in FF different? Right now? (not 3-4 weeks ago).

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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-22 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
 wrote:
 
  Ken,  all your silly rantings are going to accomplish is to show 
people 
  how lucky they are *not* to be in the Domes...and castigating 
people 
  for standing on principle by refusing to apply when others are 
still 
  being rejected, shows an almost incredible lack of basic 
integrity.
  
  Get a life.
  
  Sal
 
 Hi Sal, 
 
 Over time, I have enjoyed your posts, common sense, and sly wit.
 
   people [who] stand[ing] on principle by refusing to apply when
 others are still 
  being rejected
 
 I am curious about your comment [slightly edited to hone in on the
 point I am interested in]. Are many people being rejected 
currently?
 Shivama seems to be quite an exceptions, perhaps a reasonable one, 
to
 the general rule' -- that is my impression that all but the most
 blatant are being accepted. 
 
 For example Rory has been and is in the domes. Perhaps he was 
posting
 here before your time -- I don't recall your entrance [slinky 
black
 cocktail dress, right? :) ]. 
 
 Rory has been accepted and per Rick, is attending the Domes. While
 Rory is an engaging, interesting and charming guy, I like him, he 
is
 hardly what one would call TMO mainstream. 
 
 For example, he has a website that postulates or claims 
realization --
 depending on which day you ask him :) 16 or 32 or some large  
number
 of states of enlightenement -- most beyond (the apparently MMY/TMO)
 BC. And he has expounded on, done, dabbled, or seriously pursued 
many
 different techniques and teaqches, AFAIR. Including some sort of
 mediumship according to his website -- and former wife (who used to
 post here also -- Vashti). He also used to run a esoteric book 
shop,
 and gave classes on many esoteric topics. Apparently when he was in
 FF, he had a following. All good and fine things in my book. But 
not
 your typical TMO TBer.
 
 So if Rory is being accepted, then the bar seems pretty low





I've never understood the anaology of the bar.

If it is a limbo bar, then the expression would have to be the bar 
seems pretty high, not low because if it was a low limbo bar, 
almost no one would be able to pass under it.  If it's high then 
almost anyone can pass under.

So if the analogy doesn't refer to a limbo bar, what is it referring 
to?

Sheltered and sequestered my whole life, I remain...Shemp McGurk.






 for those
 with quite wide, non-TMO, spiritual topics and practices. 
 
 Rick said Tom Traynor has also been accepted. Tom appears to also 
have
 have wide ranging, beyond TMO, pursuits and practices. And heads a
 weekly satsang in FF for the enlightened. 
 
 Again, not your standard TMO TBer. 
 
 So I value your, on the ground, insights from the front. It 
appears
 to me, most all are being accepted to the domes. Is your 
observation
 there in FF different? Right now? (not 3-4 weeks ago).
 
 Thanks.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-22 Thread new . morning

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 
 I've never understood the anaology of the bar.
 
 If it is a limbo bar, then the expression would have to be the bar 
 seems pretty high, not low because if it was a low limbo bar, 
 almost no one would be able to pass under it.  If it's high then 
 almost anyone can pass under.
 
 So if the analogy doesn't refer to a limbo bar, what is it referring 
 to?
 
 Sheltered and sequestered my whole life, I remain...Shemp McGurk.


Ha ha. I thought the same thing. I first wrote, the  bar seems pretty
high (meaning easy) -- but that didn't seem to get the point across.
So, while thinking of limbo -- and my backwards reference-- I closed
my eyes, hit send, and hoped the point I was trying to make would be
clear. :)

Regardles. I meant it low restrictions, and easy bar to jump over,
lots of people get round the bar -- etc.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you don`t, or don`t want to understand what I meant, then it`s also
your decision.
 Those who want to understand, will understand. If someone doesn`t
want, it is also OK.
 Anyway, I have tried to explain it to you, in my previous reply.
 For some time, I will not lose my time.
 You, and everyone else can write whatever you want.
 I had a good will to inspire more people to come in the Dome.
 Everyone will choose for themselves what they like.
 Let it be.
 I wish you all the best.

OK. That pretty much says it all then.

JohnY




 dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@

  wrote: Is this the 'SIMS Shuffle' ?
  -JohnY

  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote:
   
It is, as anything else an individual decision.

  Doug writing, yes a beautiful example of TM.movement non-answer. TM-
  Movement-Speak.
  Part of the deal here is that we do live together in this community
  and how the Tmorg acts and thinks does influence a lot of people
  here, our friends and neighbors.  To just dismiss the real and say
  it is all an individual decision begs the question:
   What would
   you suppose they would have to do in order to bring a more
   significant number of people back? Would they come back?
   Start with round numbers, a million TM meditators taught in the
  US,
   with
   some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of
  thousands
   people taught the TM0-sidhis (27K?); and a few hundreds show up
  when
   called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974
  
   A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, what
   would the TMOrg need do to reconcile
   with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could
   the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg
   with its meditators?
  
   With Kind Regards,
  
   -Doug in FF
  

  This question above, what say the tru-believer reading the list?
  Have they no thot on this? How do the insiders going to the domes
  see it going? How about a defender of the faithful speaking for
  them? A public defender? What do they see it taking to bring a
  significant number back?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

New,
It wasn't really a question of who is and who isn't being accepted 
(although I would argue that the rejection of *anyone* for any reason 
other than a fear (based on some kind of reality) that they might be 
dangerous, would a good enough reason for everyone else to stay away) 
but of Ken's contention that everyone should apply, regardless of where 
they are and what other obligations they might have...and also, that it 
should somehow not bother anyone else that people are being 
discriminated against by these rejections, forcibly ejected from the 
Domes, etc.

Doesn't any of that bother you?  I thought the days of people laying 
guilt trips on others, while also telling them to ignore their own 
better judgment, were over. I was wrong.  And I'm not sure how 
currently you mean--it's apparently happened on this course.  Also the 
fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) is 
troubling--that would rule me out immediately, as I simply wouldn't 
give it to them.  What could the reason possibly be except to 
intimidate people?  I've been on a lot of courses given by various 
organizations, and I have never been asked to give that.  What are your 
feelings?


Sal


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
 wrote:

 Ken,  all your silly rantings are going to accomplish is to show
 people
 how lucky they are *not* to be in the Domes...and castigating
 people
 for standing on principle by refusing to apply when others are
 still
 being rejected, shows an almost incredible lack of basic
 integrity.

 Get a life.

 Sal

 Hi Sal,

 Over time, I have enjoyed your posts, common sense, and sly wit.

 people [who] stand[ing] on principle by refusing to apply when
 others are still
 being rejected

 I am curious about your comment [slightly edited to hone in on the
 point I am interested in]. Are many people being rejected
 currently?
 Shivama seems to be quite an exceptions, perhaps a reasonable one,
 to
 the general rule' -- that is my impression that all but the most
 blatant are being accepted.

 For example Rory has been and is in the domes. Perhaps he was
 posting
 here before your time -- I don't recall your entrance [slinky
 black
 cocktail dress, right? :) ].

 Rory has been accepted and per Rick, is attending the Domes. While
 Rory is an engaging, interesting and charming guy, I like him, he
 is
 hardly what one would call TMO mainstream.

 For example, he has a website that postulates or claims
 realization --
 depending on which day you ask him :) 16 or 32 or some large
 number
 of states of enlightenement -- most beyond (the apparently MMY/TMO)
 BC. And he has expounded on, done, dabbled, or seriously pursued
 many
 different techniques and teaqches, AFAIR. Including some sort of
 mediumship according to his website -- and former wife (who used to
 post here also -- Vashti). He also used to run a esoteric book
 shop,
 and gave classes on many esoteric topics. Apparently when he was in
 FF, he had a following. All good and fine things in my book. But
 not
 your typical TMO TBer.

 So if Rory is being accepted, then the bar seems pretty low




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wrote:
snip
 Also the 
 fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) is 
 troubling--that would rule me out immediately, as I simply wouldn't 
 give it to them.  What could the reason possibly be except to 
 intimidate people?  I've been on a lot of courses given by various 
 organizations, and I have never been asked to give that.

I'm pretty sure I had to give my Social Security
number when I first applied to learn TM in 1975.
Back then, of course, we'd never heard of identity
theft; all *kinds* of people asked for SS #s for
identification, and nobody thought anything of it.
I think they also asked for it on course applications
then as well.

It does have the advantage of being a unique
identifier. I went to a doctor recently for a flu
shot and was asked for my SS #.  I said no, and that
was OK with them, but it would never have occurred
to me to think they were trying to intimidate me by
asking.  It used to be almost a reflex to identify
people by their SS # and is still used in many cases,
although obviously more and more people these days
are refusing to give it.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-22 Thread new . morning

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 New,
 It wasn't really a question of who is and who isn't being accepted 
 (although I would argue that the rejection of *anyone* for any reason 
 other than a fear (based on some kind of reality) that they might be 
 dangerous, would a good enough reason for everyone else to stay away) 

I would suggest as others have, that an additional valid reuirement is
to only do TMO programs in the Dome.


As I pointed out in a post several months agom, that may be easier
said than done. (Using Rick and his use of an AMMA matra as an example.)  

 but of Ken's contention that everyone should apply, regardless of where 
 they are and what other obligations they might have...

His is not a particularly resposibilble position IMO -- regarding
abandoning obligations. I left a new job in lat 70s to respond to an
ULTRA emeergency project -- cedntral americal I think. After rushing
to the Capitol, then waiting around for threee weeks, then driving to
the airport, and having the TMO goofer-guy forget the passports --
back to the Capitol for another several weeks -- i sort of lost my
urgency. Or lost the reflex witin me that responded immediately to all
TMO clarion calls. (Watching, and literally being trampled by,
high-evolved sidhas -- ruling the trends of time as they rushed for
the ice cream as it was put out at nights, was an eye-opener too.
Cogitive dissonance and all.

 and also, that it 
 should somehow not bother anyone else that people are being 
 discriminated against by these rejections, forcibly ejected from the 
 Domes, etc.

That gets to my primary point. How many are being forcefully ejected
from the domes? How many are being rejected. My impression is that its
very few. And in some, if not most cases, it kind of makes sense --
Shivama being a good example, IMO.

 Doesn't any of that bother you?  

If only a handful are being forcefully ejected from the domes or
rejected, and for those that are there is some pretty extreme
circumstances behind it, I am not heavily bothered. Thats why I asked,
how frequent are these rejections?


I thought the days of people laying 
 guilt trips on others, while also telling them to ignore their own 
 better judgment, were over. 

Agreed. Per above, heavy handed recruiting / guilt-trips are so 80's.
Quite passe.

 the fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) is 
 troubling

As judy has pointed out, many ask for it. I routinely refuse if its
irrelevant. Or if that stops my application, I put in a creative one. 

  





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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-22 Thread sparaig

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
 wrote:
 snip
  Also the 
  fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) is 
  troubling--that would rule me out immediately, as I simply wouldn't 
  give it to them.  What could the reason possibly be except to 
  intimidate people?  I've been on a lot of courses given by various 
  organizations, and I have never been asked to give that.
 
 I'm pretty sure I had to give my Social Security
 number when I first applied to learn TM in 1975.
 Back then, of course, we'd never heard of identity
 theft; all *kinds* of people asked for SS #s for
 identification, and nobody thought anything of it.
 I think they also asked for it on course applications
 then as well.
 
 It does have the advantage of being a unique
 identifier. I went to a doctor recently for a flu
 shot and was asked for my SS #.  I said no, and that
 was OK with them, but it would never have occurred
 to me to think they were trying to intimidate me by
 asking.  It used to be almost a reflex to identify
 people by their SS # and is still used in many cases,
 although obviously more and more people these days
 are refusing to give it.


It used to be a law aginst using the SS for anything except tax purposes, or so 
I recall. I 
suspect the law has been changed in the past 30+ years.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:00 PM, new.morning wrote:

 That gets to my primary point. How many are being forcefully ejected
 from the domes?

So far, I've only heard of one, but even that is too many.  He 
apparently wasn't doing anything except meditating.

 How many are being rejected. My impression is that its
 very few. And in some, if not most cases, it kind of makes sense --
 Shivama being a good example, IMO.

I didn't find anything threatening in her letter--did you?

 Doesn't any of that bother you?

 If only a handful are being forcefully ejected from the domes or
 rejected, and for those that are there is some pretty extreme
 circumstances behind it, I am not heavily bothered. Thats why I asked,
 how frequent are these rejections?


 I thought the days of people laying
 guilt trips on others, while also telling them to ignore their own
 better judgment, were over.

 Agreed. Per above, heavy handed recruiting / guilt-trips are so 80's.
 Quite passe.

 the fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) is
 troubling

 As judy has pointed out, many ask for it. I routinely refuse if its
 irrelevant. Or if that stops my application, I put in a creative one.

And Judy's argument is simply an apologia.  I have not found that many 
ask for it at all--in fact, outside of the TMO, I can't think of any 
private organization that has, and definitely not with any regularity.  
Apart from someone who said they needed it when I was thinking of 
getting a satellite dish, nobody in the last 10 years (I would guess) 
has asked me for it. (I declined on the SD.)

And identity theft is really not the issue,  as Judy knows, that's just 
a diversionary tactic she is using--intimidation is. I felt the same 
way years back when I routinely gave it to them.

Sal



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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-22 Thread sparaig

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:00 PM, new.morning wrote:
 
  That gets to my primary point. How many are being forcefully ejected
  from the domes?
 
 So far, I've only heard of one, but even that is too many.  He 
 apparently wasn't doing anything except meditating.
 
  How many are being rejected. My impression is that its
  very few. And in some, if not most cases, it kind of makes sense --
  Shivama being a good example, IMO.
 
 I didn't find anything threatening in her letter--did you?
 
  Doesn't any of that bother you?
 
  If only a handful are being forcefully ejected from the domes or
  rejected, and for those that are there is some pretty extreme
  circumstances behind it, I am not heavily bothered. Thats why I asked,
  how frequent are these rejections?
 
 
  I thought the days of people laying
  guilt trips on others, while also telling them to ignore their own
  better judgment, were over.
 
  Agreed. Per above, heavy handed recruiting / guilt-trips are so 80's.
  Quite passe.
 
  the fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) is
  troubling
 
  As judy has pointed out, many ask for it. I routinely refuse if its
  irrelevant. Or if that stops my application, I put in a creative one.
 
 And Judy's argument is simply an apologia.  I have not found that many 
 ask for it at all--in fact, outside of the TMO, I can't think of any 
 private organization that has, and definitely not with any regularity.  
 Apart from someone who said they needed it when I was thinking of 
 getting a satellite dish, nobody in the last 10 years (I would guess) 
 has asked me for it. (I declined on the SD.)
 
 And identity theft is really not the issue,  as Judy knows, that's just 
 a diversionary tactic she is using--intimidation is. I felt the same 
 way years back when I routinely gave it to them.
 
 Sal


Yeah, the fact that it is a number guaranteed not to refer to two different 
John Smiths 
wouldn't be a factor in everyone ELSE wanting to use it as well.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:00 PM, new.morning wrote:
 
  That gets to my primary point. How many are being forcefully 
ejected
  from the domes?
 
 So far, I've only heard of one, but even that is too many.  He 
 apparently wasn't doing anything except meditating.
 
  How many are being rejected. My impression is that its
  very few. And in some, if not most cases, it kind of makes sense -
-
  Shivama being a good example, IMO.
 
 I didn't find anything threatening in her letter--did you?
 
  Doesn't any of that bother you?
 
  If only a handful are being forcefully ejected from the domes or
  rejected, and for those that are there is some pretty extreme
  circumstances behind it, I am not heavily bothered. Thats why I 
asked,
  how frequent are these rejections?
 
 
  I thought the days of people laying
  guilt trips on others, while also telling them to ignore their 
own
  better judgment, were over.
 
  Agreed. Per above, heavy handed recruiting / guilt-trips are so 
80's.
  Quite passe.
 
  the fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) is
  troubling
 
  As judy has pointed out, many ask for it. I routinely refuse if 
its
  irrelevant. Or if that stops my application, I put in 
a creative one.
 
 And Judy's argument is simply an apologia.

Well, no, actually it was an attempt to bring a
little rationality to your rampant paranoia.

  I have not found that
 many ask for it at all--in fact, outside of the TMO, I can't think 
 of any private organization that has, and definitely not with any 
 regularity.  Apart from someone who said they needed it when I was 
 thinking of getting a satellite dish, nobody in the last 10 years 
 (I would guess) has asked me for it. (I declined on the SD.)

I had to supply it to my lawyer when I purchased a
condo recently; the town requires it to transfer the
deed.  And as I noted, a physician I went to for a
flu shot asked for it as well.  It's still fairly
common.

 And identity theft is really not the issue,  as Judy knows,
 that's just a diversionary tactic she is using--intimidation is.

Sal, you're losing it.  I never suggested the TMO
was collecting SS#s so it could commit identity
theft.  How the heck did you get that idea??

I mentioned identity theft simply to point out that
before identity theft became a threat, SS#s were
routinely used for identification.

What I don't get is why you think asking for your
SS# would be *intimidating*.  What is it you would
be intimidated *about*?  What would the implied
threat be?

For the record, if I had to give them my SS# to
go on a course these days, I wouldn't do it, even
if it meant I couldn't go.  I don't trust them to
keep those records secure from people who might
use them for identity theft.




 I felt the same 
 way years back when I routinely gave it to them.
 
 Sal







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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-22 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
 wrote:
 
  On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:00 PM, new.morning wrote:
  
   That gets to my primary point. How many are being forcefully 
 ejected
   from the domes?
  
  So far, I've only heard of one, but even that is too many.  He 
  apparently wasn't doing anything except meditating.
  
   How many are being rejected. My impression is that its
   very few. And in some, if not most cases, it kind of makes 
sense -
 -
   Shivama being a good example, IMO.
  
  I didn't find anything threatening in her letter--did you?
  
   Doesn't any of that bother you?
  
   If only a handful are being forcefully ejected from the domes 
or
   rejected, and for those that are there is some pretty extreme
   circumstances behind it, I am not heavily bothered. Thats why 
I 
 asked,
   how frequent are these rejections?
  
  
   I thought the days of people laying
   guilt trips on others, while also telling them to ignore 
their 
 own
   better judgment, were over.
  
   Agreed. Per above, heavy handed recruiting / guilt-trips are 
so 
 80's.
   Quite passe.
  
   the fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) 
is
   troubling
  
   As judy has pointed out, many ask for it. I routinely refuse 
if 
 its
   irrelevant. Or if that stops my application, I put in 
 a creative one.
  
  And Judy's argument is simply an apologia.
 
 Well, no, actually it was an attempt to bring a
 little rationality to your rampant paranoia.
 
   I have not found that
  many ask for it at all--in fact, outside of the TMO, I can't 
think 
  of any private organization that has, and definitely not with 
any 
  regularity.  Apart from someone who said they needed it when I 
was 
  thinking of getting a satellite dish, nobody in the last 10 
years 
  (I would guess) has asked me for it. (I declined on the SD.)
 
 I had to supply it to my lawyer when I purchased a
 condo recently; the town requires it to transfer the
 deed.  And as I noted, a physician I went to for a
 flu shot asked for it as well.  It's still fairly
 common.
 
  And identity theft is really not the issue,  as Judy knows,
  that's just a diversionary tactic she is using--intimidation is.
 
 Sal, you're losing it.  I never suggested the TMO
 was collecting SS#s so it could commit identity
 theft.  How the heck did you get that idea??
 
 I mentioned identity theft simply to point out that
 before identity theft became a threat, SS#s were
 routinely used for identification.
 
 What I don't get is why you think asking for your
 SS# would be *intimidating*.  What is it you would
 be intimidated *about*?  What would the implied
 threat be?
 
 For the record, if I had to give them my SS# to
 go on a course these days, I wouldn't do it, even
 if it meant I couldn't go.  I don't trust them to
 keep those records secure from people who might
 use them for identity theft.






Forget the ODD.

In Judy's last two paragraphs she asks and answers her own question, 
thus demonstrating the classical definition of multiple-personality 
disorder.









 
 
 
 
  I felt the same 
  way years back when I routinely gave it to them.
  
  Sal
 








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

I'm pretty sure the reference is to a bar that you step over.

But the image of all those Rajas dancing around trying to get under a 
limbo bar is definitely a good one.

Sal


On Aug 22, 2006, at 2:30 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

 I've never understood the anaology of the bar.

 If it is a limbo bar, then the expression would have to be the bar
 seems pretty high, not low because if it was a low limbo bar,
 almost no one would be able to pass under it.  If it's high then
 almost anyone can pass under.

 So if the analogy doesn't refer to a limbo bar, what is it referring
 to?

 Sheltered and sequestered my whole life, I remain...Shemp McGurk.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:45 PM, authfriend wrote:

 I had to supply it to my lawyer when I purchased a
 condo recently; the town requires it to transfer the
 deed.  And as I noted, a physician I went to for a
 flu shot asked for it as well.  It's still fairly
 common.

Only in your world, Judy.  Last time I got a flu shot I paid them 10 
bucks and they gave me the shot.  I could have been a Martian for all 
they cared.

 And identity theft is really not the issue,  as Judy knows,
 that's just a diversionary tactic she is using--intimidation is.

 Sal, you're losing it.  I never suggested the TMO
 was collecting SS#s so it could commit identity
 theft.  How the heck did you get that idea??

Judy, you're losing it.  I never suggested you suggested the TMO was 
collecting SS#s to use them for identity theft.  Want to play 
telephone?

 I mentioned identity theft simply to point out that
 before identity theft became a threat, SS#s were
 routinely used for identification.

And I tried to point out that that is b*llshit, and you know it.  You 
routinely buy condos?

 What I don't get is why you think asking for your
 SS# would be *intimidating*.  What is it you would
 be intimidated *about*?  What would the implied
 threat be?

What exactly do you think they need them for, Judy?  To keep all the 
people who happen to have the same names and addresses when applying 
for a course separate?

 For the record, if I had to give them my SS# to
 go on a course these days, I wouldn't do it, even
 if it meant I couldn't go.  I don't trust them to
 keep those records secure from people who might
 use them for identity theft.

So then you *do* think they could be used for nefarious purposes--who 
else besides people in the TMO would ever have access to that info?

Sal



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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:45 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  I had to supply it to my lawyer when I purchased a
  condo recently; the town requires it to transfer the
  deed.  And as I noted, a physician I went to for a
  flu shot asked for it as well.  It's still fairly
  common.
 
 Only in your world, Judy.

Uh, no, Sal.  It's still fairly common, as I said
(and the AARP confirms).

 Last time I got a flu shot I paid them 10 
 bucks and they gave me the shot.  I could have been a Martian for 
 all they cared.

And that proves...what, exactly?

My health insurance card, with TEIGIT, has my SS#
on it.  I complained to them, because I can't carry
the card in my wallet.  They said they were working
on a new system, but it wouldn't be ready for some
time yet.

I had to give my SS# to open a bank account six
five years ago.  You have to give it on most
credit card applications.  My landlord wanted it
when I first rented the condo I just bought, also
five years ago.

Many institutions are now moving away from using
SS#s, but that has *only* happened very recently,
since identity theft became such a big deal.

You have to give your SS# to your employer as well,
obviously, even if you work freelance.

  And identity theft is really not the issue,  as Judy knows,
  that's just a diversionary tactic she is using--intimidation is.
 
  Sal, you're losing it.  I never suggested the TMO
  was collecting SS#s so it could commit identity
  theft.  How the heck did you get that idea??
 
 Judy, you're losing it.  I never suggested you suggested the TMO 
 was collecting SS#s to use them for identity theft.  Want to play 
 telephone?

What the hell *were* you suggesting??  Diversionary
tactic *from what*?  You are making NO sense here.
Identity theft is a very real concern--but it didn't
*use* to be.  As I said:

  I mentioned identity theft simply to point out that
  before identity theft became a threat, SS#s were
  routinely used for identification.
 
 And I tried to point out that that is b*llshit, and you know it. 

Uh, sorry, but no matter how hard you try to point it
out, you're simply factually wrong: Before identity
theft became a threat, SS#s were routinely used for
identification.

 You routinely buy condos?

Did I say anything to suggest I did?

My point was that they're *still* routinely used for
certain purposes, like property records, among other
things (again, see the AARP link I posted).

  What I don't get is why you think asking for your
  SS# would be *intimidating*.  What is it you would
  be intimidated *about*?  What would the implied
  threat be?
 
 What exactly do you think they need them for, Judy?  To keep all 
 the people who happen to have the same names and addresses when 
 applying for a course separate?

You didn't answer my question, Sal.  I don't think you
have any actual threat in mind.  You just thought it
sounded good to use the word intimidation.

And again, see the AARP link, which explains why
SS#s are routinely used for identification.

  For the record, if I had to give them my SS# to
  go on a course these days, I wouldn't do it, even
  if it meant I couldn't go.  I don't trust them to
  keep those records secure from people who might
  use them for identity theft.
 
 So then you *do* think they could be used for nefarious purposes--

Of course.  But that's not why the TMO is asking for
them, obviously.

 who else besides people in the TMO would ever have access to that 
 info?

Not everyone in the TMO is necessarily an upstanding
citizen, first of all.  Some lower-level administrative
person with financial needs and no scruples might have
access to a list of SS#s and get ideas.  Lists of SS#s
are worth big bucks in the identity theft market.  You
can sell them to brokers, who then sell them to
individuals who commit the actual identity theft.

Second, there are any number of ways the numbers could
get to non-TMO people.  Someone could walk in a door
left unlocked and steal the records; some nitwit TMer
could throw a batch of unneeded printouts in the trash;
a janitor could find the records sitting on someone's
desk; a hacker could break into the computer system if
it weren't secured properly, etc., etc., etc.

This is why you don't want to have to give out your
SS# if you can possibly avoid it--because they're
*worth lots of money*, and even an organization
with the most spotless motives can be careless about
how they're handled.

Knowing the level of disorganization and general
incompetence in the TMO, I simply wouldn't trust them 
to keep the numbers secure.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote:
 
  On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:00 PM, new.morning wrote:
  
   That gets to my primary point. How many are being forcefully ejected
   from the domes?
  
  So far, I've only heard of one, but even that is too many.  He 
  apparently wasn't doing anything except meditating.
  
   How many are being rejected. My impression is that its
   very few. And in some, if not most cases, it kind of makes sense --
   Shivama being a good example, IMO.
  
  I didn't find anything threatening in her letter--did you?
  
   Doesn't any of that bother you?
  
   If only a handful are being forcefully ejected from the domes or
   rejected, and for those that are there is some pretty extreme
   circumstances behind it, I am not heavily bothered. Thats why I
asked,
   how frequent are these rejections?
  
  
   I thought the days of people laying
   guilt trips on others, while also telling them to ignore their own
   better judgment, were over.
  
   Agreed. Per above, heavy handed recruiting / guilt-trips are so
80's.
   Quite passe.
  
   the fact that they are asking for SS #s (or so I understood) is
   troubling
  
   As judy has pointed out, many ask for it. I routinely refuse if its
   irrelevant. Or if that stops my application, I put in a
creative one.
  
  And Judy's argument is simply an apologia.  I have not found that
many 
  ask for it at all--in fact, outside of the TMO, I can't think of any 
  private organization that has, and definitely not with any
regularity.  
  Apart from someone who said they needed it when I was thinking of 
  getting a satellite dish, nobody in the last 10 years (I would guess) 
  has asked me for it. (I declined on the SD.)
  
  And identity theft is really not the issue,  as Judy knows, that's
just 
  a diversionary tactic she is using--intimidation is. I felt the same 
  way years back when I routinely gave it to them.
  
  Sal
 
 
 Yeah, the fact that it is a number guaranteed not to refer to two
different John Smiths 
 wouldn't be a factor in everyone ELSE wanting to use it as well.

Gotta keep track of those folks from the CIA!

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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
 wrote:
 
  On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:45 PM, authfriend wrote:
  
   I had to supply it to my lawyer when I purchased a
   condo recently; the town requires it to transfer the
   deed.  And as I noted, a physician I went to for a
   flu shot asked for it as well.  It's still fairly
   common.
  
  Only in your world, Judy.
 
 Uh, no, Sal.  It's still fairly common, as I said
 (and the AARP confirms).
 
  Last time I got a flu shot I paid them 10 
  bucks and they gave me the shot.  I could have been a Martian for 
  all they cared.
 
 And that proves...what, exactly?
 
 My health insurance card, with TEIGIT, has my SS#
 on it.  I complained to them, because I can't carry
 the card in my wallet.  They said they were working
 on a new system, but it wouldn't be ready for some
 time yet.
 
 I had to give my SS# to open a bank account six
 five years ago.  You have to give it on most
 credit card applications.  My landlord wanted it
 when I first rented the condo I just bought, also
 five years ago.
 
 Many institutions are now moving away from using
 SS#s, but that has *only* happened very recently,
 since identity theft became such a big deal.
 
 You have to give your SS# to your employer as well,
 obviously, even if you work freelance.
 
   And identity theft is really not the issue,  as Judy knows,
   that's just a diversionary tactic she is using--intimidation is.
  
   Sal, you're losing it.  I never suggested the TMO
   was collecting SS#s so it could commit identity
   theft.  How the heck did you get that idea??
  
  Judy, you're losing it.  I never suggested you suggested the TMO 
  was collecting SS#s to use them for identity theft.  Want to play 
  telephone?
 
 What the hell *were* you suggesting??  Diversionary
 tactic *from what*?  You are making NO sense here.
 Identity theft is a very real concern--but it didn't
 *use* to be.  As I said:
 
   I mentioned identity theft simply to point out that
   before identity theft became a threat, SS#s were
   routinely used for identification.
  
  And I tried to point out that that is b*llshit, and you know it. 
 
 Uh, sorry, but no matter how hard you try to point it
 out, you're simply factually wrong: Before identity
 theft became a threat, SS#s were routinely used for
 identification.
 
  You routinely buy condos?
 
 Did I say anything to suggest I did?
 
 My point was that they're *still* routinely used for
 certain purposes, like property records, among other
 things (again, see the AARP link I posted).
 
   What I don't get is why you think asking for your
   SS# would be *intimidating*.  What is it you would
   be intimidated *about*?  What would the implied
   threat be?
  
  What exactly do you think they need them for, Judy?  To keep all 
  the people who happen to have the same names and addresses when 
  applying for a course separate?
 
 You didn't answer my question, Sal.  I don't think you
 have any actual threat in mind.  You just thought it
 sounded good to use the word intimidation.
 
 And again, see the AARP link, which explains why
 SS#s are routinely used for identification.
 
   For the record, if I had to give them my SS# to
   go on a course these days, I wouldn't do it, even
   if it meant I couldn't go.  I don't trust them to
   keep those records secure from people who might
   use them for identity theft.
  
  So then you *do* think they could be used for nefarious purposes--
 
 Of course.  But that's not why the TMO is asking for
 them, obviously.
 
  who else besides people in the TMO would ever have access to that 
  info?
 
 Not everyone in the TMO is necessarily an upstanding
 citizen, first of all.  Some lower-level administrative
 person with financial needs and no scruples might have
 access to a list of SS#s and get ideas.  Lists of SS#s
 are worth big bucks in the identity theft market.  You
 can sell them to brokers, who then sell them to
 individuals who commit the actual identity theft.
 
 Second, there are any number of ways the numbers could
 get to non-TMO people.  Someone could walk in a door
 left unlocked and steal the records; some nitwit TMer
 could throw a batch of unneeded printouts in the trash;
 a janitor could find the records sitting on someone's
 desk; a hacker could break into the computer system if
 it weren't secured properly, etc., etc., etc.
 
 This is why you don't want to have to give out your
 SS# if you can possibly avoid it--because they're
 *worth lots of money*, and even an organization
 with the most spotless motives can be careless about
 how they're handled.
 
 Knowing the level of disorganization and general
 incompetence in the TMO, I simply wouldn't trust them 
 to keep the numbers secure.


Secure ha! They'll run a DB and Eqifax on you.

JohnY





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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
snip
  What I don't get is why you think asking for your
  SS# would be *intimidating*.  What is it you would
  be intimidated *about*?  What would the implied
  threat be?
  
  For the record, if I had to give them my SS# to
  go on a course these days, I wouldn't do it, even
  if it meant I couldn't go.  I don't trust them to
  keep those records secure from people who might
  use them for identity theft.
 
 Forget the ODD.
 
 In Judy's last two paragraphs she asks and answers her
 own question, thus demonstrating the classical definition of 
 multiple-personality disorder.

Uh, no, Shemp.  Read it again, please.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-21 Thread kenwoodfx

No, dear friend, I don`t think that you or anyone else here are fallen creatures.I have respect for your experiences, however they have been in the past.I just like that everyone who wants come in group flying in the Dome, because it is proven helpfull for collective and individual consciousness, but I also respect everyone who, for any reason, does not want.Everyone here is clever, and knows to choose what is best for him in each moment.I just like that everyone is happy and friendly to others.All the best.curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nicely said Chaim Laib.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "chaim_laib" chaim_laib@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote: Mistakes you make, wrong words, wrong thinking. Just come in your pure source, and all the impurities will simply go away. Just then you will be more happy and better in every way. Still there is time forthat. Kenwoodfx The way you come across, though seemingly sweet, nice, concerned, parental, is also sanctimonious, better-than, I have the answer and you people are fallen creatures-however you want to word it. It is not helpful. There are and have been many
people who have given up many, many years of their adult lives livng life the TM/Maharishi way, and who found that the intended result you speak of was not happening in their lives and the longer they stayed invoved the worse their lives got. I'm sure you, and others, will have the party line answer for this (unstressing). Give us credit for being adults and able to make up our own minds based on our own experience in life. Chaim Laib Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote: If someone is rejected, there is a reason for that, but that is not a reason for not coming in the Dome in this important time in world history. People who wants to do good will not think like that.
Everyone who is invited is invited with good reason, and should come and do good for the world, not thinking about what small ego says, being afraid for his existence.Ken ,you mood making twit. Do you have an original thought. Seems like you lost your balls a long time ago. How's your yoni? MMY has been beating this silly drum for decades (are you new canon fodder or something?). Next you'll be telling us that the pundits will come if we just squeeze our butt checks together hard enough. Ahh. Wonderful rajasic outburst for the day! I can't stand these mood-making, Capital fops that have ruined the movement with there sing-songy little girl voices wearing their light tan suits and so terrified of aggression or asserting an original thought.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-21 Thread nablus108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  
  Altough you didn`t receive it in your own language, most 
important 
 is
  is that you have understood it.
 
 As many sidhas and TM-Teachers I practised the technique very, very 
 regular for 25 years,and then stopped. It did not feel right. And I 
 think that it has something to do with the instructions or that 
 somehing is lacking in the instructions. 
 Ingegerd

And you independent instructions are more complete than 
Maharishis ? 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
  marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ 
   wrote:
   
Ingegerd, you already received the right instructions in your 
 own 
   language.
Instructions in sanskrt were for those who spoke sanskrt in 
 that 
   time.

Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ 
   wrote:  
 
 I hope he will give the right instructions - in sanskrit.
 Ingegerd
   
   Well - I did not receive the Instructions in my own language - 
 but 
   in a third language.
   Ingegerd  
 
 
 
   


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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-21 Thread nablus108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
 marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ 
  wrote:
  
   
   
   Altough you didn`t receive it in your own language, most 
 important 
  is
   is that you have understood it.
  
  As many sidhas and TM-Teachers I practised the technique very, 
very 
  regular for 25 years,and then stopped. It did not feel right. And 
I 
  think that it has something to do with the instructions or that 
  somehing is lacking in the instructions. 
  Ingegerd
 
 And your independent instructions are far more complete than 
 Maharishis I gather ? 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-21 Thread dhamiltony2k5

Ken, a defender of the faith.  Thanks for coming out.  It is good to 
have the more purist take also here.  Ken, I posted a question the 
other day and there were really no takers.  Could you take a try?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/109126
what say the tru-believer reading the list?
Have they no thot on this? How do the insiders going to the domes
see it going? How about a defender of the faithful speaking for
them? A public defender? What do they see it taking to bring a
significant number back?

-Doug in FF


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Mistakes you make, wrong words, wrong thinking. Just come in your 
pure source, and all the impurities will simply go away. Just then 
you will be more happy and better in every way. Still there is time 
for that.
 
 Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
  
  --- kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   If someone is rejected, there is a reason for that,
   but that is not a reason for not coming in the Dome
   in this important time in world history.
   People who wants to do good will not think like
   that.
   Everyone who is invited is invited with good reason,
   and should come and do good for the world, not
   thinking about what small ego says, being afraid for
   his existence.
  
  Ken ,you mood making twit. Do you have an original
  thought. Seems like you lost your balls a long time
  ago. How's your yoni? MMY has been beating this silly
  drum for decades (are you new canon fodder or
  something?). Next you'll be telling us that the
  pundits will come if we just squeeze our butt checks
  together hard enough. Ahh. Wonderful rajasic outburst
  for the day! I can't stand these mood-making, Capital
  fops that have ruined the movement with there
  sing-songy little girl voices wearing their light tan
  suits and so terrified of aggression or asserting an
  original thought. The greatest irony is that you are
  MMY's curse and you don't even know it. 
  
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 
 --- kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  If someone is rejected, there is a reason for that,
  but that is not a reason for not coming in the Dome
  in this important time in world history.
  People who wants to do good will not think like
  that.
  Everyone who is invited is invited with good reason,
  and should come and do good for the world, not
  thinking about what small ego says, being afraid for
  his existence.
 
 Ken ,you mood making twit. Do you have an original
 thought. Seems like you lost your balls a long time
 ago. How's your yoni? MMY has been beating this silly
 drum for decades (are you new canon fodder or
 something?). Next you'll be telling us that the
 pundits will come if we just squeeze our butt checks
 together hard enough. Ahh. Wonderful rajasic outburst
 for the day! I can't stand these mood-making, Capital
 fops that have ruined the movement with there
 sing-songy little girl voices wearing their light tan
 suits and so terrified of aggression or asserting an
 original thought. The greatest irony is that you are
 MMY's curse and you don't even know it. 



Well said!

Yes, it is these horrible people that surround MMY and do NOT tell 
him like it is that has destroyed the Movement.

There are, indeed, MMY's curse.





 
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  
  --- kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote:
  
   If someone is rejected, there is a reason for that,
   but that is not a reason for not coming in the Dome
   in this important time in world history.
   People who wants to do good will not think like
   that.
   Everyone who is invited is invited with good reason,
   and should come and do good for the world, not
   thinking about what small ego says, being afraid for
   his existence.
  
  Ken ,you mood making twit. Do you have an original
  thought. Seems like you lost your balls a long time
  ago. How's your yoni? MMY has been beating this silly
  drum for decades (are you new canon fodder or
  something?). Next you'll be telling us that the
  pundits will come if we just squeeze our butt checks
  together hard enough. Ahh. Wonderful rajasic outburst
  for the day! I can't stand these mood-making, Capital
  fops that have ruined the movement with there
  sing-songy little girl voices wearing their light tan
  suits and so terrified of aggression or asserting an
  original thought. The greatest irony is that you are
  MMY's curse and you don't even know it.
 
 Jeez, and people think *I'm* rude and harsh.


No, we think you're annoying.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread nablus108

 
 
 
 Well said!
 
 Yes, it is these horrible people that surround MMY and do NOT tell 
 him like it is that has destroyed the Movement.
 
 There are, indeed, MMY's curse.


This implies that Maharishi does not know exactly what is going on, 
which is a rather naive thought in my opinion. The destruction of 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread dhamiltony2k5

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If the course office announces that their new policy is to ask 
people to agree to do nothing other than Maharishi's techniques in 
the dome, and that they won't concern themselves with anything other 
than that, I'll consider applying. 


 on 8/18/06 10:19 PM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Tonight there now seems to be a phone campaign on at least 
here in
   FF to get wayward friends to register for the dome programs.
   
   Hagelin's 'office' had told Shivama that the old guidelines 
stand
   and have instead been enlarged to also include just regular 
citizen
   sidhas as part of a ban on people having seen other holy 
saints and
   stuff.
   
   Any real progress on amending the participation guidelines of 
the
   TMorg with this new earnest initiative?
  
 
 At least once a day I get called or emailed or approached on the 
street by
 people trying to get me to go to the dome. The person who called 
last night
 said that the course office had encouraged everyone to call their 
friends,
 even people who previously had not been allowed in the dome, and 
that ³only
 about 1% of the people are still being refused for personal 
reasons.² If the
 course office announces that their new policy is to ask people to 
agree to
 do nothing other than Maharishi¹s techniques in the dome, and that 
they
 won¹t concern themselves with anything other than that, I¹ll 
consider
 applying.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread kenwoodfx

Mistakes you make, wrong words, wrong thinking. Just come in your pure source, and all the impurities will simply go away. Just then you will be more happy and better in every way. Still there is time for that.Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: If someone is rejected, there is a reason for that, but that is not a reason for not coming in the Dome in this important time in world history.
People who wants to do good will not think like that. Everyone who is invited is invited with good reason, and should come and do good for the world, not thinking about what small ego says, being afraid for his existence. Ken ,you mood making twit. Do you have an original thought. Seems like you lost your balls a long time ago. How's your yoni? MMY has been beating this silly drum for decades (are you new canon fodder or something?). Next you'll be telling us that the pundits will come if we just squeeze our butt checks together hard enough. Ahh. Wonderful rajasic outburst for the day! I can't stand these mood-making, Capital fops that have ruined the movement with there sing-songy little girl voices wearing their light tan suits and so terrified of aggression or asserting an original thought. The greatest irony is that you are MMY's curse and you don't even know it.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread dhamiltony2k5

Would you trust these people with your social security number?

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
 If the course office announces that their new policy is to ask 
 people to agree to do nothing other than Maharishi's techniques in 
 the dome, and that they won't concern themselves with anything 
other 
 than that, I'll consider applying. 

Rick, of course the 'guidelines' are in the crux of the community 
problem here.  But also is that 'trust issue'.  I considered 
applying to get back in to the domes for group program and see that 
they wanted my soc. security number and a lot of personal 
information to apply.  

Are these people who you could trust with personal identification 
information?  After reading the Kaplan threads here recently i don't 
think so.  All the media is filled with warnings of scam and types 
of identity thefts.  Should i trust the TMorg with personal 
identification information anymore?  Look what they did to Earl.

-Doug in FF

 
 
  on 8/18/06 10:19 PM, dhamiltony2k5 at dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
  
Tonight there now seems to be a phone campaign on at least 
 here in
FF to get wayward friends to register for the dome programs.

Hagelin's 'office' had told Shivama that the old guidelines 
 stand
and have instead been enlarged to also include just regular 
 citizen
sidhas as part of a ban on people having seen other holy 
 saints and
stuff.

Any real progress on amending the participation guidelines 
of 
 the
TMorg with this new earnest initiative?
   
  
  At least once a day I get called or emailed or approached on the 
 street by
  people trying to get me to go to the dome. The person who called 
 last night
  said that the course office had encouraged everyone to call 
their 
 friends,
  even people who previously had not been allowed in the dome, and 
 that ³only
  about 1% of the people are still being refused for personal 
 reasons.² If the
  course office announces that their new policy is to ask people 
to 
 agree to
  do nothing other than Maharishi¹s techniques in the dome, and 
that 
 they
  won¹t concern themselves with anything other than that, I¹ll 
 consider
  applying.
 







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread Peter

Okay ;-)

--- kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mistakes you make, wrong words, wrong thinking. Just
 come in your pure source, and all the impurities
 will simply go away. Just then you will be more
 happy and better in every way. Still there is time
 for that.
 
 Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
  
  --- kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   If someone is rejected, there is a reason for
 that,
   but that is not a reason for not coming in the
 Dome
   in this important time in world history.
   People who wants to do good will not think like
   that.
   Everyone who is invited is invited with good
 reason,
   and should come and do good for the world, not
   thinking about what small ego says, being afraid
 for
   his existence.
  
  Ken ,you mood making twit. Do you have an original
  thought. Seems like you lost your balls a long time
  ago. How's your yoni? MMY has been beating this
 silly
  drum for decades (are you new canon fodder or
  something?). Next you'll be telling us that the
  pundits will come if we just squeeze our butt
 checks
  together hard enough. Ahh. Wonderful rajasic
 outburst
  for the day! I can't stand these mood-making,
 Capital
  fops that have ruined the movement with there
  sing-songy little girl voices wearing their light
 tan
  suits and so terrified of aggression or asserting
 an
  original thought. The greatest irony is that you
 are
  MMY's curse and you don't even know it. 
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread Sal Sunshine

Are they still asking for it?


Sal


On Aug 20, 2006, at 8:13 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:

 Would you trust these people with your social security number?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread Rick Archer

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?





on 8/20/06 6:13 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This implies that Maharishi does not know exactly what is going on, 
 which is a rather naive thought in my opinion. The destruction of 
 the Movement was obviously a willed and nesessary process. 

It least you acknowledge it has been destroyed. And why do you feel this was necessary?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread Rick Archer

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?





on 8/20/06 8:08 AM, kenwoodfx at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mistakes you make, wrong words, wrong thinking. Just come in your pure source, 
 and all the impurities will simply go away. Just then you will be more happy 
 and better in every way. Still there is time for that.

Remember, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Luke... Luke... do not... do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor or suffer your father's fate you will. Luke, when gone am I... the last of the Jedi will you be. Luke, the Force runs strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned, Luke. There is... another... Sky... walker.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
  
  
  Well said!
  
  Yes, it is these horrible people that surround MMY and do NOT 
tell 
  him like it is that has destroyed the Movement.
  
  There are, indeed, MMY's curse.
 
 
 This implies that Maharishi does not know exactly what is going 
on, 







Yes.







 which is a rather naive thought in my opinion.







If you are a cultist, like yourself, who follows a guru as a divine 
perfect being, you would have to come to that conclusion.

I, on the other hand, am of the opinion that MMY is a man -- a fully 
enlightened man, who makes decisions and acts with the relative 
knowledge at his disposal.  yes, his action is performed in full 
accord with all the laws of nature, but they can be mistakes none-
the-less.  They can be actions that aren't the best choice of all 
actions available to do.

If he is not aware of certain things because those around him decide 
NOT to tell him, then, no, he doesn't know exactly what is going on.







 The destruction of 
 the Movement was obviously a willed and nesessary process.  





Do you feel, as I do then, that the Movement has, indeed, already 
met a slow yet obvious death?






  
  
  
  
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread chaim_laib

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mistakes you make, wrong words, wrong thinking. Just come in your
pure source, and all the impurities will simply go away. Just then you
will be more happy and better in every way. Still there is time for that.

Kenwoodfx

The way you come across, though seemingly sweet, nice, concerned,
parental, is also sanctimonious, better-than, I have the answer and
you people are fallen creatures-however you want to word it. It is not
helpful. 

There are and have been many people who have given up many, many 
years of their adult lives livng life the TM/Maharishi way, and who
found that the intended result you speak of was not happening in their
lives and the longer they stayed invoved the worse their lives got. 

I'm sure you, and others, will have the party line answer for this
(unstressing). Give us credit for being adults and able to make up our
own minds based on our own experience in life.

Chaim Laib


 
 Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
  
  --- kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   If someone is rejected, there is a reason for that,
   but that is not a reason for not coming in the Dome
   in this important time in world history.
   People who wants to do good will not think like
   that.
   Everyone who is invited is invited with good reason,
   and should come and do good for the world, not
   thinking about what small ego says, being afraid for
   his existence.
  
  Ken ,you mood making twit. Do you have an original
  thought. Seems like you lost your balls a long time
  ago. How's your yoni? MMY has been beating this silly
  drum for decades (are you new canon fodder or
  something?). Next you'll be telling us that the
  pundits will come if we just squeeze our butt checks
  together hard enough. Ahh. Wonderful rajasic outburst
  for the day! I can't stand these mood-making, Capital
  fops that have ruined the movement with there
  sing-songy little girl voices wearing their light tan
  suits and so terrified of aggression or asserting an
  original thought. The greatest irony is that you are
  MMY's curse and you don't even know it. 
  
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