[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name//now - The threat of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Well, I may not be enlightened, but due to Maharishi's techniques I have had experiences of the universe that I could not possibly have through any other way that I know of(except maybe brain damaging drugs). And, my direct experience, entirely as a result of his techniques, is that the world we play in is like flotsam floating on a vast ocean of very intensified bliss energy. It is so powerful, and it is just below the surface of things, and it threatens to burst into, and overflow our universe at any time. Such an event would be so powerful that everyone would be transformed in a matter of minutes. It would be like the magma under the surface of the Earth, bursting out and flowing all over the surface...only it would not be fire, but bliss. I believe this cataclysm is only years, maybe a few decades away, at most. This is not what I learned from Maharishi, but my direct and very common experience. It is physical, spiritual, and real. OffWorld You experience a lot of bliss and ascribe it to be possible only through the techniques that MMY has brought out, mainly because those techniques are the only ones you have seriously dedicated yourself to practise. I too experience a lot of bliss in a similar way that you describe, but I don't ascribe it solely due to the basic very simple TM technique that is the only technique I have learned through the TMO and only practised for half a year, as it was taught. Most people who have learned this simple technique have benefited very little from it. And you go so far as to violate a solemn promise you made just so you can teach something that people can benefit very little from? BTW, how do you know that people have benefited very little from it? When MMY came to the west, he didn't know that most people don't benefit from it ? 95% of those people, whom I persuaded to start TM, didn't experience anything they considered special and important for themselves and dropped the technique very soon. So it cannot be just the technique. For some reason you give MMY credit for something much bigger in which bringing out some simple techniques plays just a minor role. Why? Why do you say that this is so anyway? Cannot you understand what I have written? But MMY's role for the values you have adopted is much bigger through the belief system you have adopted from him. That is: all we need is enough bliss to transform and enlighten the whole world. The TMO has been trying to force it to happen. Trying to force one's belief system to become reality is called fundamentalism. But it won't become reality, because reality doesn't obey you. In there being more bliss now many different sources have been playing an important role. The TMO is just one of them. According to my understanding an enlightened person could give appreciation to them all. Bliss solving all the problems is a belief of your's and MMY's, not the reality. And trying to force more bliss to appear has got the TMO to resort to the principle `end justify means'. This principle usually goes together with forcing and manipulation, and often causes more harm than good. Bliss is not all that is needed to transform the world. It is one ingredient, but not sufficient alone. Sure it is. Bliss is based on the functioning of the nervous system. Change the nervous system in the right way and you transform a person. Transform enough people and you transform the world, whether or not the Maharishi Effect works or not. Sure. But by concentrating to create bliss and being oblivious to other important factors in the functioning of human nervous system, doesn't make this kind of transformation to appear. Seeing it being all that is needed is MMY's biggest fallacy. It has justified him dishonest behaviour, because for him how his mind operates doesn't matter, only bliss matters. His thinking has probably gone in the following routes: Because I'm bringing to the world this absolute bliss, I'm beyond the karmic consequences of my gross level behaviour. It is allowed for me just to make a powerful impression and manipulate people following me. When the bliss transforms the world, I too will be automatically purified.What I now do behind the curtains doesn't really matter. Maybe not on the big cosmic scale. He is too small a speck there. But for his personal evolution it certainly does, and karma he cannot escape.Accepting one's defects and being open with them is in itself transformative. Pretending to be something one is not, even if it happens in the name of a higher good, is degenerative. This is easy to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name//now - The threat of Bliss
On Jul 4, 2006, at 3:02 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote:Seeing it being all that is needed is MMY's biggest fallacy. It has justified him dishonest behaviour, because for him how his mind operates doesn't matter, only bliss matters. His thinking has probably gone in the following routes: "Because I'm bringing to the world this absolute bliss, I'm beyond the karmic consequences of my gross level behaviour. It is allowed for me just to make a powerful impression and manipulate people following me. When the bliss transforms the world, I too will be automatically purified.What I now do behind the curtains doesn't really matter." Maybe not on the big cosmic scale. He is too small a speck there. But for his personal evolution it certainly does, and karma he cannot escape.Accepting one's defects and being open with them is in itself transformative. Pretending to be something one is not, even if it happens in the name of a higher good, is degenerative. This is easy to see to be true also for MMY. He has been a messenger boy and brought something important to the west, as have many other teachers. And many people have benefited from his teachings in spite of its weaknesses. I thought you said m ost people didn't benefit from TM Which is it? Many have benefited, most of the people who learned TM not. When I read your responses, I get now, as I have got earlier too the impression, that you work very hard internally, to not to understand and to distort, what people, who don't agree with your thinking, write.He's not the only one here who does this. For some, it's as if it's their life's mission.It really is bizarre, and I often I just relegate it to the bizarro-bin, but at the same time you can't help but be disturbed by the "work [done] very hard internally, to not to understand and to distort" part. No bells of conscience (seemingly); is "cosmic heroin" (meditative bliss) that strong a drug? Apparently you do this with good conscience, because in your world it is only bliss that matters. Are you happy with the results this internal methodology has created in your life? Are you happy? Or maybe it doesn't matter for you. Just simple bliss matters. Not being happy can be solved eating Prozac? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name//now - The threat of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 4, 2006, at 3:02 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote: Seeing it being all that is needed is MMY's biggest fallacy. It has justified him dishonest behaviour, because for him how his mind operates doesn't matter, only bliss matters. His thinking has probably gone in the following routes: Because I'm bringing to the world this absolute bliss, I'm beyond the karmic consequences of my gross level behaviour. It is allowed for me just to make a powerful impression and manipulate people following me. When the bliss transforms the world, I too will be automatically purified.What I now do behind the curtains doesn't really matter. Maybe not on the big cosmic scale. He is too small a speck there. But for his personal evolution it certainly does, and karma he cannot escape.Accepting one's defects and being open with them is in itself transformative. Pretending to be something one is not, even if it happens in the name of a higher good, is degenerative. This is easy to see to be true also for MMY. He has been a messenger boy and brought something important to the west, as have many other teachers. And many people have benefited from his teachings in spite of its weaknesses. I thought you said m ost people didn't benefit from TM Which is it? Many have benefited, most of the people who learned TM not. When I read your responses, I get now, as I have got earlier too the impression, that you work very hard internally, to not to understand and to distort, what people, who don't agree with your thinking, write. He's not the only one here who does this. For some, it's as if it's their life's mission. So it's never the case that people with whom these some don't agree do not write clearly? When I read Irmeli's post--before I'd seen Lawson's response--I also saw an apparent contradiction between Most people who have learned this simple technique have benefited very little from it and Many people have benefited from his teachings in spite of its [sic] weaknesses. It really is bizarre, and I often I just relegate it to the bizarro- bin, but at the same time you can't help but be disturbed by the work [done] very hard internally, to not to understand and to distort part. No bells of conscience (seemingly); is cosmic heroin (meditative bliss) that strong a drug? This is clear enough; and it's clearly bullshit. Vaj in particular is frequently guilty of writing obscurely and even sloppily--and then arrogantly declining to clarify. The work [done] very hard internally is an attempt to make sense of what he writes, not to *not* understand it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name//now - The threat of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Well, I may not be enlightened, but due to Maharishi's techniques I have had experiences of the universe that I could not possibly have through any other way that I know of(except maybe brain damaging drugs). And, my direct experience, entirely as a result of his techniques, is that the world we play in is like flotsam floating on a vast ocean of very intensified bliss energy. It is so powerful, and it is just below the surface of things, and it threatens to burst into, and overflow our universe at any time. Such an event would be so powerful that everyone would be transformed in a matter of minutes. It would be like the magma under the surface of the Earth, bursting out and flowing all over the surface...only it would not be fire, but bliss. I believe this cataclysm is only years, maybe a few decades away, at most. This is not what I learned from Maharishi, but my direct and very common experience. It is physical, spiritual, and real. OffWorld You experience a lot of bliss and ascribe it to be possible only through the techniques that MMY has brought out, mainly because those techniques are the only ones you have seriously dedicated yourself to practise. I too experience a lot of bliss in a similar way that you describe, but I don't ascribe it solely due to the basic very simple TM technique that is the only technique I have learned through the TMO and only practised for half a year, as it was taught. Most people who have learned this simple technique have benefited very little from it. And you go so far as to violate a solemn promise you made just so you can teach something that people can benefit very little from? BTW, how do you know that people have benefited very little from it? When MMY came to the west, he didn't know that most people don't benefit from it ? 95% of those people, whom I persuaded to start TM, didn't experience anything they considered special and important for themselves and dropped the technique very soon. So it cannot be just the technique. For some reason you give MMY credit for something much bigger in which bringing out some simple techniques plays just a minor role. Why? Why do you say that this is so anyway? Cannot you understand what I have written? But MMY's role for the values you have adopted is much bigger through the belief system you have adopted from him. That is: all we need is enough bliss to transform and enlighten the whole world. The TMO has been trying to force it to happen. Trying to force one's belief system to become reality is called fundamentalism. But it won't become reality, because reality doesn't obey you. In there being more bliss now many different sources have been playing an important role. The TMO is just one of them. According to my understanding an enlightened person could give appreciation to them all. Bliss solving all the problems is a belief of your's and MMY's, not the reality. And trying to force more bliss to appear has got the TMO to resort to the principle `end justify means'. This principle usually goes together with forcing and manipulation, and often causes more harm than good. Bliss is not all that is needed to transform the world. It is one ingredient, but not sufficient alone. Sure it is. Bliss is based on the functioning of the nervous system. Change the nervous system in the right way and you transform a person. Transform enough people and you transform the world, whether or not the Maharishi Effect works or not. Sure. But by concentrating to create bliss and being oblivious to other important factors in the functioning of human nervous system, doesn't make this kind of transformation to appear. TM is concentration? And TM is always sufficient to generate some degree of Bliss. That's the most amazing thing about it: it really does always work. Seeing it being all that is needed is MMY's biggest fallacy. It has justified him dishonest behaviour, because for him how his mind operates doesn't matter, only bliss matters. His thinking has probably gone in the following routes: Because I'm bringing to the world this absolute bliss, I'm beyond the karmic consequences of my gross level behaviour. It is allowed for me just to make a powerful impression and manipulate people following me. When the bliss transforms the world, I too will be automatically purified.What I now do behind the curtains doesn't really matter. Maybe not on
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name//now - The threat of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: When I read your responses, I get now, as I have got earlier too the impression, that you work very hard internally, to not to understand and to distort, what people, who don't agree with your thinking, write. Apparently you do this with good conscience, because in your world it is only bliss that matters. Are you happy with the results this internal methodology has created in your life? Are you happy? Or maybe it doesn't matter for you. Just simple bliss matters. Not being happy can be solved eating Prozac? For me, Prozac helps counter the effects of the 3-year allergy attack I suffered a few years ago. And ALL of my doctors, counselors and whatnot agree that TM is essential to my health and well-being. I agree with you here. And I apologize. I was rude in my comment here. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote: At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, I have 6 months to turn you into yogis. He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get serious. Another thing he said was, it's a race to see who can purify the fastest. _ Perhaps without the direct influence of a teacher these key instructions have fallen by the wayside. I would also've liked to have seen more skillful purification practices make there way into advanced TM routines (other than 'just plain ole tapas'). They can be profoundly healing on so many levels, even the physical. Sitting, slouching, even lying down sometimes during TM is good enough. No need for rigorous postures. These may occur naturally anyway, during practice, or during TM-Sidhis, but no need to enforce them at all. The technique is powerful enough to take care of all of this. As the Self becomes more well known and well integrated, everything will find its place during practice. No need to stress certain things during the correct practice of TM. For other techniques, this may be desirable, but not for TM. As the man says, 'take it easy; take it as it comes.' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't get it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture. The horror of it all... Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff. Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a chair. It's interesting that when I change during a session from TM to naasikaantarmadhya-saMyama (SS III 44) my posture almost immediately gets straightened, or stuff. (naasikaantarmadhyasaMyamaat kim atra savyaapasavya- sauSumneSu) Of course that's only my take on what that suutra might actually mean. There seems to be several differing opinions on what naasikaantarmadhyasaMyama really means. My translation is mainly based on the Patañjalian meaning of saMyama (desha-bandhash cittasya, and all that...) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
What are mudras in general and the Chin mudra in particular?
mudrA f. (fr. %{mudra} see above) a seal or any instrument used for
sealing or stamping , a seal-ring , signet-ring (cf. %{aGguli-m-}) ,
any ring MBh. Ka1v. c. ; type for printing or instrument for
lithographing L. ; the stamp or impression made by a seal c. ; any
stamp or print or mark or impression MBh. Ka1v. c. ; a stamped
coin , piece of money , rupee , cash , medal L. ; an image , sign ,
badge , token (esp. a token or mark of divine attributes impressed
upon the body) Ka1v. Pur. Ra1jat. ; authorization , a pass , passport
(as given by a seal) Mudr. ; shutting , closing (as of the eyes or
lips gen. or comp.) Ka1v. ; a lock , stopper , bung Amar. Bhpr. ; a
mystery Cat. ; *N. of partic. positions or intertwinings of the
fingers* (24 in number , commonly practised in religious
worship , and supposed to possess an occult meaning and magical
efficacy Das3. Sarvad. Ka1ran2d2. RTL. 204 ; 406) ; a partic. branch
of education (` reckoning by the fingers ') DivyA7v. ; parched or
fried grain (as used in the S3a1kta or Ta1ntrik ceremonial) RTL.
192 ; (in rhet.) the natural expression of things by words , calling
things by their right names Kuval. ; (in music) a dance accordant
with tradition Sam2gi1t.
'chin' might be sandhi for 'chit'(in Harvard-Kyoto, etc: cit)
cit 1 mfn. ifc. ` piling up ' see %{agni-} , %{Urdhva-} , and %
{pUrva-ci4t} ; (Pa1n2. 3-2 , 92) forming a layer or stratum , piled
up VS. i , xii TS. i (cf. %{kaGka-} , %{karma-} , %{cakSuz-} , %
{droNa-} , %{prA7Na-} , %{manaz-} , %{rathacakra-} , %{vAk-} , %
{zyena-} , and %{zrotra-ci4t}.)
2 cit 2 mfn. ifc. ` knowing ' see %{Rta-ci4t} ; ` giving heed
to ' or ` revenging [guilt , %{RNa-}] ' see %{RNa-}.
3 cit 3 mfn. ifc. ` id. ' see 2. %{cit}.
5 cit 1. 2. 3 see 1. 2. 3. %{ci}.
7 cit 5 mfn. ifc. ` thinking ' see %{a-} , %{duz-} , %{manaz-} , %
{vipaz-} , and %{huraz-ci4t} ; cf. also %{apa-cit} ; f. thought ,
intellect , spirit , soul VS. iv , 19 KapS. Bhartr2. BhP. ; cf. %{sa-
} and [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; pure Thought (Brahma cf. RTL. p. 34) Veda7ntas.
Prab.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
on 7/2/06 5:07 PM, Vaj at vajranatha@ wrote:
On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, MDixon6569@ wrote:
In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
sparaig@ writes:
Obviously, MMY just doesn't get it while the ones that
advocate subtle effort and control do.
Either that or they are teaching two different
techniques,
one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who
have no problem controlling theirs.
Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore
TMers
meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most
slouching, one
in a lazy boy chair!
Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are
known in the
broader meditational world for their bad posture.
The horror of it all...
Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things
like Asanas and
mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed
perfectly.
The intent
and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M
recited a poem by
Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little
understanding of
the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site,
a
little asanas
and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone
to
become great
Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy
places, or do all
the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do
what he could and
consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that
demand everything
be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the
finger tips of
index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle
and the other
three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he
said, it
is enough
that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we
pay attention
to, not all the other stuff.
Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and
there *are*
many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of
other things.
If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in
a
chair.
At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, ³I have 6
months to turn
you into yogis.² He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold
baths, fasting,
sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly
recommended),
etc. The impression he gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy
business.
Time to get serious. Another thing he said was, ³it¹s a race to
see who can
purify the fastest.²
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote: At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, I have 6 months to turn you into yogis. He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get serious. Another thing he said was, it's a race to see who can purify the fastest. _ Perhaps without the direct influence of a teacher these key instructions have fallen by the wayside. I would also've liked to have seen more skillful purification practices make there way into advanced TM routines (other than 'just plain ole tapas'). They can be profoundly healing on so many levels, even the physical. Sitting, slouching, even lying down sometimes during TM is good enough. No need for rigorous postures. These may occur naturally anyway, during practice, or during TM-Sidhis, but no need to enforce them at all. The technique is powerful enough to take care of all of this. As the Self becomes more well known and well integrated, everything will find its place during practice. No need to stress certain things during the correct practice of TM. For other techniques, this may be desirable, but not for TM. As the man says, 'take it easy; take it as it comes.' Yes, this is true enough but since I manged to get into the lotus the quality of the experience has increased markedly and surely the deeper and more prolonged the experience the better? actually even half lotus is a big improvement. Two sets of really stretched asanas is rather good too, what other TM improvement techniques could we be missing out on? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/1/06 6:08:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , MDixon6569@, MDi In a message dated 7/1/06 3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: OffWorld ...the US Indians are the only ones interested.. DIXON No, because there are still more people going to them, even of different ethnic identities, than there are coming to the TMO. AOL is expanding not shrinking. ROFLMAO ! ! ! Dixon says AOL is mostly Indians , but mostly not Indians. OffWOrld Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen involve a higher percentage of Indians than any other single ethnic group, white, black, Hispanic, east Asian . But even with out the Indians, AOL is still growing faster than the TMO. Yes dear, you said, quote: it is mostly Indians, and how there are no Indians in TMO anymore. You are right, because I can't see one single Indian on this whole page of pictures of TMO ! _http://tinyurl.http://ti_ (http://tinyurl.com/s42gn) My my, but now you're cheating. Those are photos of Indians in India. I think you were quite aware that I have been talking all along about Indian immigrants in the United States. Not about Indians in India. If you will double back and check, my original comment was how SSRS has attracted more Indian immigrants in the United States than M ever did. My comments have been strictly about Indians in the United States, no place else. Now, is there anything else you want to take out of context Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these acronyms? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these acronyms? AOL = Art of Living SSRS = Sri Sri Ravi Shankar AOL is SSRS's org. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra" in particular? The word mudra varies greatly depending on the context. It's most common meaning would likely be certain hand gestures used to move prana in certain ways (often in combination with certain asanas or meditations). It's broader, more ritual meaning would be as a very direct form of symbolic communication used for example in the practice of your personal deity. For example in the meditation on your personal deity you can convey certain actions and intents very directly through a simple hand gesture and it's mantra. The mudra "seals" the mantra and causes it's effect to be instantaneous, for example in using an action mantra. It's more obscure meaning would be in sexual yoga where a "mudra" refers to an actual sexual consort rather than a visualized one... __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:53 AM, cardemaister wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture. The horror of it all... Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff. Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a chair. It's interesting that when I change during a session from TM to "naasikaantarmadhya-saMyama" (SS III 44) my posture almost immediately gets straightened, or stuff. (naasikaantarmadhyasaMyamaat kim atra savyaapasavya- sauSumneSu) Of course that's only my take on what that suutra might actually mean. There seems to be several differing opinions on what "naasikaantarmadhyasaMyama" really means. My translation is mainly based on the "Patañjalian" meaning of saMyama (desha-bandhash cittasya, and all that...) Samyama has a very different meaning in this system than in the Patanjali or yoga-darshana system. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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SSRS teaches mudra practice on advanced courses. Prana moves through the body in different ways based on the hand position abd what fingers are touching what on the hand. --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: What are mudras in general and the Chin mudra in particular? The word mudra varies greatly depending on the context. It's most common meaning would likely be certain hand gestures used to move prana in certain ways (often in combination with certain asanas or meditations). It's broader, more ritual meaning would be as a very direct form of symbolic communication used for example in the practice of your personal deity. For example in the meditation on your personal deity you can convey certain actions and intents very directly through a simple hand gesture and it's mantra. The mudra seals the mantra and causes it's effect to be instantaneous, for example in using an action mantra. It's more obscure meaning would be in sexual yoga where a mudra refers to an actual sexual consort rather than a visualized one... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip As the Self becomes more well known and well integrated, everything will find its place during practice. No need to stress certain things during the correct practice of TM. For other techniques, this may be desirable, but not for TM. As the man says, 'take it easy; take it as it comes.' Yes, this is true enough but since I manged to get into the lotus the quality of the experience has increased markedly and surely the deeper and more prolonged the experience the better? actually even half lotus is a big improvement. Two sets of really stretched asanas is rather good too, what other TM improvement techniques could we be missing out on? FWIW, MMY recommends *against* really stretched asanas. They should be performed just to the point where stretching begins to be felt. (This is from the 12-lesson course on Yoga Asanas, not the instructions given to residence course participants for rounding purposes. The residence course instructions say the same thing, but the point is that they don't *change* in the more rigorous Yoga Asanas course.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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That's fantastic to hear--I'm glad he's really sharing the depths of his knowledge and it's reaching a wider audience.On Jul 3, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Peter wrote:SSRS teaches mudra practice on advanced courses. Prana moves through the body in different ways based on the hand position abd what fingers are touching what on the hand. --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra" in particular? The word mudra varies greatly depending on the context. It's most common meaning would likely be certain hand gestures used to move prana in certain ways (often in combination with certain asanas or meditations). It's broader, more ritual meaning would be as a very direct form of symbolic communication used for example in the practice of your personal deity. For example in the meditation on your personal deity you can convey certain actions and intents very directly through a simple hand gesture and it's mantra. The mudra "seals" the mantra and causes it's effect to be instantaneous, for example in using an action mantra. It's more obscure meaning would be in sexual yoga where a "mudra" refers to an actual sexual consort rather than a visualized one... __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/2/06 10:34:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are mudras in general and the Chin mudra in particular? You know the classic pose of a yogi, sitting in lotus with hands on knees and thumbs touching the index fingers and the other remaining fingers held straight? That is symbolic of the Higher and lower self united and the three gunas cast off. That hand gesture is called Chin Mudra. There are all kinds of Mudras and they supposedly direct energies in the body to flow in specific directions. I think somebody asked M on my TTC if it was ok to sit like that, As I recall he didn't have any problem with it. There is a common photo of Guru Dev sitting on a tiger skin in Lotus and holding his hands in Chin Mudra. There are actually three variations of chin mudra. The first one is with the tip of the thumb and the tip of the index finger touching one another. For the second one you slide your index finger down to the first joint of the thumb (this is the mudra Guru Dev is doing in the mentioned photo). And for the third you bring the index finger down to the base of the thumb. I find the first variation to be very relaxing. It does something to prana in your head. The other two variations change prana in your head, but I find them to be uncomfortable. If you do a mudra with ujiya breath it is more powerful. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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He also just introduced another pranayama. --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's fantastic to hear--I'm glad he's really sharing the depths of his knowledge and it's reaching a wider audience. On Jul 3, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Peter wrote: SSRS teaches mudra practice on advanced courses. Prana moves through the body in different ways based on the hand position abd what fingers are touching what on the hand. --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: What are mudras in general and the Chin mudra in particular? The word mudra varies greatly depending on the context. It's most common meaning would likely be certain hand gestures used to move prana in certain ways (often in combination with certain asanas or meditations). It's broader, more ritual meaning would be as a very direct form of symbolic communication used for example in the practice of your personal deity. For example in the meditation on your personal deity you can convey certain actions and intents very directly through a simple hand gesture and it's mantra. The mudra seals the mantra and causes it's effect to be instantaneous, for example in using an action mantra. It's more obscure meaning would be in sexual yoga where a mudra refers to an actual sexual consort rather than a visualized one... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 7/3/06 1:54:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's interesting that when I change during a sessionfrom TM to "naasikaantarmadhya-saMyama" (SS III 44)my posture almost immediately gets straightened, or stuff.(naasikaantarmadhyasaMyamaat kim atra savyaapasavya-sauSumneSu)Of course that's only my take on what that suutramight actually mean. There seems to be severaldiffering opinions on what "naasikaantarmadhyasaMyama"really means. My translation is mainly based onthe "Patañjalian" meaning of saMyama (desha-bandhash cittasya,and all that...) HA, well of course! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these acronyms? AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, a former Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises he calls Sudarshana Kriya, andis the center piece of his teaching. In addition he also teaches TM , but under a different name. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: [snip] Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these acronyms? AOL = Art of Living SSRS = Sri Sri Ravi Shankar AOL is SSRS's org. Cheers! I know you're not talking about ISP's or Prozac now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip As the Self becomes more well known and well integrated, everything will find its place during practice. No need to stress certain things during the correct practice of TM. For other techniques, this may be desirable, but not for TM. As the man says, 'take it easy; take it as it comes.' Yes, this is true enough but since I manged to get into the lotus the quality of the experience has increased markedly and surely the deeper and more prolonged the experience the better? actually even half lotus is a big improvement. Two sets of really stretched asanas is rather good too, what other TM improvement techniques could we be missing out on? FWIW, MMY recommends *against* really stretched asanas. They should be performed just to the point where stretching begins to be felt. (This is from the 12-lesson course on Yoga Asanas, not the instructions given to residence course participants for rounding purposes. The residence course instructions say the same thing, but the point is that they don't *change* in the more rigorous Yoga Asanas course.) I had the correct instruction many times but instinctively felt that overdoing it suited me, and when I saw an Ayurvedic doctor for the first time he actually recommended really going for it. Maybe because I'm not the typical pale anaemic TMer and can withstand a bit of physical effort ;-). Different courses for different horses. Talking of different ways to do this stuff, how about the guy in L.A. who teaches power asanas in a 40c room? that would get your pitta going. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/30/06 10:48 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/30/06 7:54 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was he *explicitly* posing as a celibate monk during the time he was banging the women, by the way? Yes. He was saying be celibate like me? No those exact words, but essentially, yes. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/30/06 10:36 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Maharishi could have stayed in the Himalayas with a few disciples, but choose to be available for the whole world, as Muktananda put it, is quite remarkable and a total sacrifice of life (Maharishi, 1982). Self-serving myth. Not credible. Which part of his self-created luxurious lifestyle is the sacrifice part? Luxurious lifestyle ? I've been involved in purchase for several of Maharishis private rooms - the furniture is all IKEA. What is IKEA? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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--- Rick wrote: What is IKEA? Scandinavian modern style furniture and accessories. www.ikea.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these acronyms? AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, a former Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises he calls Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In addition he also teaches TM , but under a different name. Cognized? Did SSRS say he cognized them? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick wrote: What is IKEA? Scandinavian modern style furniture and accessories. Relatively inexpensive, not high-end. www.ikea.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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An upscale-looking but still fairly reasonable line of furniture, much of which you put together yourself, hence the lower prices. Their solid wood stuff is great, looks like it would be much more expensive than it is. They have a line of huge warehouse-like stores in the bigger cities. Sal On Jul 3, 2006, at 9:42 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Luxurious lifestyle ? I've been involved in purchase for several of Maharishis private rooms - the furniture is all IKEA. What is IKEA? __
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick wrote: What is IKEA? Scandinavian modern style furniture and accessories. www.ikea.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/30/06 10:36 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Maharishi could have stayed in the Himalayas with a few disciples, but choose to be available for the whole world, as Muktananda put it, is quite remarkable and a total sacrifice of life (Maharishi, 1982). Self-serving myth. Not credible. Which part of his self-created luxurious lifestyle is the sacrifice part? Luxurious lifestyle ? I've been involved in purchase for several of Maharishis private rooms - the furniture is all IKEA. What is IKEA? The 351st tal __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote: At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, I have 6 months to turn you into yogis. He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get serious. Another thing he said was, it's a race to see who can purify the fastest. _ Perhaps without the direct influence of a teacher these key instructions have fallen by the wayside. I would also've liked to have seen more skillful purification practices make there way into advanced TM routines (other than 'just plain ole tapas'). They can be profoundly healing on so many levels, even the physical. Sitting, slouching, even lying down sometimes during TM is good enough. No need for rigorous postures. These may occur naturally anyway, during practice, or during TM-Sidhis, but no need to enforce them at all. The technique is powerful enough to take care of all of this. As the Self becomes more well known and well integrated, everything will find its place during practice. No need to stress certain things during the correct practice of TM. For other techniques, this may be desirable, but not for TM. As the man says, 'take it easy; take it as it comes.' Yes, this is true enough but since I manged to get into the lotus the quality of the experience has increased markedly and surely the deeper and more prolonged the experience the better? Perhaps, as long as you're not insisting that one experience is better than another. actually even half lotus is a big improvement. Two sets of really stretched asanas is rather good too, what other TM improvement techniques could we be missing out on? Eating right? Sleeping right? Exercising right? Practicing some breathing exercises before meditation? Listening to life-supporting music? Living in a properly constructed and oriented house? Lessee, that's Maharishi Ayurveda, Asanas, Pranayama, Maharishi Gandharva Veda, Maharishi Vastu... Yep, all those things that MMY keeps hidden from the rank and file meditator... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these acronyms? AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, a former Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises he calls Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In addition he also teaches TM , but under a different name. I doubt if he himself teaches TM. If he does, and he was required to make the pledge not to teach save under the auspices of the TMO, where does that leave him as a self-proclaimed disciple of MMY? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/30/06 10:48 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 6/30/06 7:54 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: Was he *explicitly* posing as a celibate monk during the time he was banging the women, by the way? Yes. He was saying be celibate like me? No those exact words, but essentially, yes. Of course he was. Otherwise, you couldn't be angry at him. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He also just introduced another pranayama. Gasp! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/3/06 9:54:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, richardhughes103@... writes: Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these acronyms? AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi Shankar,a former Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises hecalls Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In addition he also teaches TM , but under a different name."Cognized"? Did SSRS say he "cognized" them? That is the story I heard , cognized while in silence that M told him to do. Maybe Drpete knows the story. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip As the Self becomes more well known and well integrated, everything will find its place during practice. No need to stress certain things during the correct practice of TM. For other techniques, this may be desirable, but not for TM. As the man says, 'take it easy; take it as it comes.' Yes, this is true enough but since I manged to get into the lotus the quality of the experience has increased markedly and surely the deeper and more prolonged the experience the better? actually even half lotus is a big improvement. Two sets of really stretched asanas is rather good too, what other TM improvement techniques could we be missing out on? FWIW, MMY recommends *against* really stretched asanas. They should be performed just to the point where stretching begins to be felt. (This is from the 12-lesson course on Yoga Asanas, not the instructions given to residence course participants for rounding purposes. The residence course instructions say the same thing, but the point is that they don't *change* in the more rigorous Yoga Asanas course.) I had the correct instruction many times but instinctively felt that overdoing it suited me, and when I saw an Ayurvedic doctor for the first time he actually recommended really going for it. Maybe because I'm not the typical pale anaemic TMer and can withstand a bit of physical effort ;-). Different courses for different horses. It's not about physical effort anyway. BTW, was this a Maharishi Ayurvedic physician? A lot of them enjoy adding their own twist to things, like the ones that recommend drinking urine to people. Talking of different ways to do this stuff, how about the guy in L.A. who teaches power asanas in a 40c room? that would get your pitta going. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:16 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these acronyms?AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, a former Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises he calls Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In addition he also teaches TM , but under a different name. I doubt if he himself teaches TM. If he does, and he was required to make the pledge not to teach save under the auspices of the TMO, where does that leave him as a self-proclaimed disciple of MMY? What makes you think that a Brahmin renunciate pundit would ever be required to sign any such form or make any such pledge? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: He also just introduced another pranayama. Gasp! No, that's the old one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Vaj, a couple of days ago you appeared to suggest that Lawson attempts to mislead and deceive. Was that, in fact, what you were suggesting? And if so, could you provide some specifics, please? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:16 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, richardhughes103@ writes: Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these acronyms? AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, a former Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises he calls Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In addition he also teaches TM , but under a different name. I doubt if he himself teaches TM. If he does, and he was required to make the pledge not to teach save under the auspices of the TMO, where does that leave him as a self-proclaimed disciple of MMY? What makes you think that a Brahmin renunciate pundit would ever be required to sign any such form or make any such pledge? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/3/06 1:17:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: doubt if he himself teaches TM. If he does, and he was required to make the pledge not to teach save under the auspices of the TMO, where does that leave him as a self-proclaimed disciple of MMY I don't know if he teaches TM under another name or has other people do it for him. I also don't know what arrangements he had with M. My understanding is SSRS has said he has M's blessings to do what he is doing. M has all the opportunity in the worldto say "no he doesn't". None of us know what M has intended for SSRS to do. SSRS could very well be M's way of continuing the world plan while he focuses on India and it's revival. Who knows but M and SSRS? Remember the story M told all of us about how Guru Dev was put on a special program by his Guru Dev and it was so secret that Swami Krishnanand had to devise a story to fool the other students so they wouldn't be jealous. None of us know how many times M has done something like this or something even bigger. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:16 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, richardhughes103@ writes: Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these acronyms? AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, a former Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises he calls Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In addition he also teaches TM , but under a different name. I doubt if he himself teaches TM. If he does, and he was required to make the pledge not to teach save under the auspices of the TMO, where does that leave him as a self-proclaimed disciple of MMY? What makes you think that a Brahmin renunciate pundit would ever be required to sign any such form or make any such pledge? What makes you think a Brahmin renuciate pundit would automatically become a TM teacher? BTW, does SSRS wear saffron? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/3/06 1:37:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote: He also just introduced another pranayama.Gasp! That's it! 3 rounds of 10 short and long alternating gasps! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jul 3, 2006, at 4:18 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:16 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, richardhughes103@ writes: Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these acronyms?AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, a former Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises he calls Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In addition he also teaches TM , but under a different name.I doubt if he himself teaches TM. If he does, and he was required to make the pledge not to teach save under the auspices of the TMO, where does that leave him as a self-proclaimed disciple of MMY? What makes you think that a Brahmin renunciate pundit would ever be required to sign any such form or make any such pledge? What makes you think a Brahmin renuciate pundit would automatically become a TM teacher? BTW, does SSRS wear saffron? Uh, because he teaches it?Not sure, my guess would be patchouli. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name//now - The threat of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I may not be enlightened, but due to Maharishi's techniques I have had experiences of the universe that I could not possibly have through any other way that I know of(except maybe brain damaging drugs). And, my direct experience, entirely as a result of his techniques, is that the world we play in is like flotsam floating on a vast ocean of very intensified bliss energy. It is so powerful, and it is just below the surface of things, and it threatens to burst into, and overflow our universe at any time. Such an event would be so powerful that everyone would be transformed in a matter of minutes. It would be like the magma under the surface of the Earth, bursting out and flowing all over the surface...only it would not be fire, but bliss. I believe this cataclysm is only years, maybe a few decades away, at most. This is not what I learned from Maharishi, but my direct and very common experience. It is physical, spiritual, and real. OffWorld You experience a lot of bliss and ascribe it to be possible only through the techniques that MMY has brought out, mainly because those techniques are the only ones you have seriously dedicated yourself to practise. I too experience a lot of bliss in a similar way that you describe, but I don't ascribe it solely due to the basic very simple TM technique that is the only technique I have learned through the TMO and only practised for half a year, as it was taught. Most people who have learned this simple technique have benefited very little from it. So it cannot be just the technique. For some reason you give MMY credit for something much bigger in which bringing out some simple techniques plays just a minor role. Why? But MMY's role for the values you have adopted is much bigger through the belief system you have adopted from him. That is: all we need is enough bliss to transform and enlighten the whole world. The TMO has been trying to force it to happen. Trying to force one's belief system to become reality is called fundamentalism. But it won't become reality, because reality doesn't obey you. In there being more bliss now many different sources have been playing an important role. The TMO is just one of them. According to my understanding an enlightened person could give appreciation to them all. Bliss solving all the problems is a belief of your's and MMY's, not the reality. And trying to force more bliss to appear has got the TMO to resort to the principle `end justify means'. This principle usually goes together with forcing and manipulation, and often causes more harm than good. Bliss is not all that is needed to transform the world. It is one ingredient, but not sufficient alone. Seeing it being all that is needed is MMY's biggest fallacy. It has justified him dishonest behaviour, because for him how his mind operates doesn't matter, only bliss matters. His thinking has probably gone in the following routes: Because I'm bringing to the world this absolute bliss, I'm beyond the karmic consequences of my gross level behaviour. It is allowed for me just to make a powerful impression and manipulate people following me. When the bliss transforms the world, I too will be automatically purified.What I now do behind the curtains doesn't really matter. Maybe not on the big cosmic scale. He is too small a speck there. But for his personal evolution it certainly does, and karma he cannot escape.Accepting one's defects and being open with them is in itself transformative. Pretending to be something one is not, even if it happens in the name of a higher good, is degenerative. This is easy to see to be true also for MMY. He has been a messenger boy and brought something important to the west, as have many other teachers. And many people have benefited from his teachings in spite of its weaknesses. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name//now - The threat of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Well, I may not be enlightened, but due to Maharishi's techniques I have had experiences of the universe that I could not possibly have through any other way that I know of(except maybe brain damaging drugs). And, my direct experience, entirely as a result of his techniques, is that the world we play in is like flotsam floating on a vast ocean of very intensified bliss energy. It is so powerful, and it is just below the surface of things, and it threatens to burst into, and overflow our universe at any time. Such an event would be so powerful that everyone would be transformed in a matter of minutes. It would be like the magma under the surface of the Earth, bursting out and flowing all over the surface...only it would not be fire, but bliss. I believe this cataclysm is only years, maybe a few decades away, at most. This is not what I learned from Maharishi, but my direct and very common experience. It is physical, spiritual, and real. OffWorld You experience a lot of bliss and ascribe it to be possible only through the techniques that MMY has brought out, mainly because those techniques are the only ones you have seriously dedicated yourself to practise. I too experience a lot of bliss in a similar way that you describe, but I don't ascribe it solely due to the basic very simple TM technique that is the only technique I have learned through the TMO and only practised for half a year, as it was taught. Most people who have learned this simple technique have benefited very little from it. And you go so far as to violate a solemn promise you made just so you can teach something that people can benefit very little from? BTW, how do you know that people have benefited very little from it? So it cannot be just the technique. For some reason you give MMY credit for something much bigger in which bringing out some simple techniques plays just a minor role. Why? Why do you say that this is so anyway? But MMY's role for the values you have adopted is much bigger through the belief system you have adopted from him. That is: all we need is enough bliss to transform and enlighten the whole world. The TMO has been trying to force it to happen. Trying to force one's belief system to become reality is called fundamentalism. But it won't become reality, because reality doesn't obey you. In there being more bliss now many different sources have been playing an important role. The TMO is just one of them. According to my understanding an enlightened person could give appreciation to them all. Bliss solving all the problems is a belief of your's and MMY's, not the reality. And trying to force more bliss to appear has got the TMO to resort to the principle `end justify means'. This principle usually goes together with forcing and manipulation, and often causes more harm than good. Bliss is not all that is needed to transform the world. It is one ingredient, but not sufficient alone. Sure it is. Bliss is based on the functioning of the nervous system. Change the nervous system in the right way and you transform a person. Transform enough people and you transform the world, whether or not the Maharishi Effect works or not. Seeing it being all that is needed is MMY's biggest fallacy. It has justified him dishonest behaviour, because for him how his mind operates doesn't matter, only bliss matters. His thinking has probably gone in the following routes: Because I'm bringing to the world this absolute bliss, I'm beyond the karmic consequences of my gross level behaviour. It is allowed for me just to make a powerful impression and manipulate people following me. When the bliss transforms the world, I too will be automatically purified.What I now do behind the curtains doesn't really matter. Maybe not on the big cosmic scale. He is too small a speck there. But for his personal evolution it certainly does, and karma he cannot escape.Accepting one's defects and being open with them is in itself transformative. Pretending to be something one is not, even if it happens in the name of a higher good, is degenerative. This is easy to see to be true also for MMY. He has been a messenger boy and brought something important to the west, as have many other teachers. And many people have benefited from his teachings in spite of its weaknesses. I thought you said m ost people didn't benefit from TM Which is it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/3/06 9:54:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], MDi In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, richardhughes103@ richardhughes1 Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these acronyms? AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, a former Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises he calls Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In addition he also teaches TM , but under a different name. Cognized? Did SSRS say he cognized them? That is the story I heard , cognized while in silence that M told him to do. Maybe Drpete knows the story. MMY had SSRS in silence in the US (I think he was in Connecticut of all places) in the early 80's. SSRS said that things we're not fully right when he went into silence, but when he came out, everything was okay. Shortly after that he said that the Sudarshan Kriya technique came to him. He told MMY about it and wanted to teach it within the context of the TMO. MMY told him to go out and teach it on his own. SSRS said he was very surprised because he had never thought about leaving MMY. Whenever he saw MMY after that MMY would say to him, Are you still here? SSRS said it took him about a year to leave MMY. He and MMY are best buddies regardless of what MMY says about SSRS. SSRS just laughed in delight when he heard that MMY had said, in regard to SSRS, Meditators should watchout for sweet poison. He sees MMY as his master and on his puja table he has a picture of Guru Dev and a picture of MMY's feet (at least I assume they are MMY's feet and so I've been told!). __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 7/3/06 5:32:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SSRS just laughed in delight when he heard that MMYhad said, in regard to SSRS, "Meditators shouldwatchout for sweet poison." Drpete you explained that quote once a couple of years ago I think. Would you mind repeating what is meant by meditators should watch out for sweet poison. Some quote from the Gita? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Er, just what is expected of us today? We have to listen to the bagpipes, and I friggin hate the bagpipes. OffWorld (the Scot) Ditto! And even more I hate the (up)tight sneer-drums accompanying them! :0 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/1/06 6:14:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too easy to be true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty minutes and go about your normal business. They knew there was a lot more to it than that. Just look at what is expected of us today and what we were told in 1970. Er, just what is expected of us today? Er, TM, advanced techniques, Sidhis, Ayurveda, Jyotish and Yagaya, Proper Vastu housing. Not to mention financial contributions. In 1970 we were told enlightenment in 5-8 years with 20 minutes in the morning and twenty minutes in the evening and don't do anything you know to be wrong. All voluntary and I cherry-pick what I do, don't you? The MAK products seem worthy in my own experience. Jyotish seems amusing. Vastu seems a tad off the wall, but you never know... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: MMY geared TM for westerners. This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was just making money. MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they inform you of how you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then warn you to be vigilant and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in thoughts... Can't be TOO easy or its not working! Obviously, MMY just doesn't get it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: MMY geared TM for westerners. This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was just making money. MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they inform you of how you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then warn you to be vigilant and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in thoughts... Can't be TOO easy or its not working! Obviously, MMY just doesn't get it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. As someone who can get lost counting to 10 mentally, I'll take the lazy mind one, thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/1/06 9:41:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And now you are saying that SSRS has attracted more Indian immigrants in the United States than M ever did So like I say...It looks like it is an Indian religion. Good luck wit' that. OffWorld You might ask Dr.Pete about that. I wouldn't know. My only point which seemed to upset a couple of people was that SSRS has done better involving Indians in America with AOL than M did with TM. Thats just silly. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/2/06 1:56:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too easy to be true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty minutes and go about your normal business. They knew there was a lot more to it than that. Just look at what is expected of us today and what we were told in 1970. Er, just what is "expected of us today?" Er, TM, advanced techniques, Sidhis, Ayurveda, Jyotish and Yagaya, Proper Vastu housing. Not to mention financial contributions. In 1970 we were told enlightenment in 5-8 years with 20 minutes in the morning and twenty minutes in the evening and don't do anything you know to be wrong.All voluntary and I cherry-pick what I do, don't you? The MAK products seem worthy in my own experience. Jyotish seems amusing. Vastu seems a tad "off the wall," but you never know... Spair, you're missing the point. Indians have known all along that there is more to getting enlightened than just doing a simple meditation for twenty minutes twice a day and not doing anything you know is wrong and that is why they were skeptical, not to mention the initiation fee which turned many off. I'm just going by what Indian friends of mine have told me in the past. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jul 2, 2006, at 4:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: MMY geared TM for westerners. This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was just making money. MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they inform you of how you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then warn you to be "vigilant" and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in thoughts... Can't be TOO easy or its not working! Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair!Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: MMY geared TM for westerners. This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was just making money. MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they inform you of how you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then warn you to be vigilant and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in thoughts... Can't be TOO easy or its not working! Obviously, MMY just doesn't get it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Speaking of spin... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/2/06 1:56:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too easy to be true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty minutes and go about your normal business. They knew there was a lot more to it than that. Just look at what is expected of us today and what we were told in 1970. Er, just what is expected of us today? Er, TM, advanced techniques, Sidhis, Ayurveda, Jyotish and Yagaya, Proper Vastu housing. Not to mention financial contributions. In 1970 we were told enlightenment in 5-8 years with 20 minutes in the morning and twenty minutes in the evening and don't do anything you know to be wrong. All voluntary and I cherry-pick what I do, don't you? The MAK products seem worthy in my own experience. Jyotish seems amusing. Vastu seems a tad off the wall, but you never know... Spair, you're missing the point. Indians have known all along that there is more to getting enlightened than just doing a simple meditation for twenty minutes twice a day and not doing anything you know is wrong and that is why they were skeptical, not to mention the initiation fee which turned many off. I'm just going by what Indian friends of mine have told me in the past. Actually, there's NOT any more that that. The Maharishi Branded stuff is merely auxilliary stuff that may be helpful to some people. Of course, perhaps your Indian friends object to the ole meditate and chop wood scenario, also. That's OK. The Buddha had to contend with that objection also. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 4:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: MMY geared TM for westerners. This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was just making money. MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they inform you of how you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then warn you to be vigilant and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in thoughts... Can't be TOO easy or its not working! Obviously, MMY just doesn't get it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture. The horror of it all... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 4:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: MMY geared TM for westerners. This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was just making money. MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they inform you of how you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then warn you to be vigilant and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in thoughts... Can't be TOO easy or its not working! Obviously, MMY just doesn't get it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture. The horror of it all... No horror, just indicative of 1) their overall level of knowledge about meditation, and 2) how they approach their own evolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 4:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: MMY geared TM for westerners. This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was just making money. MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they inform you of how you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then warn you to be vigilant and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in thoughts... Can't be TOO easy or its not working! Obviously, MMY just doesn't get it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture. The horror of it all... No horror, just indicative of 1) their overall level of knowledge about meditation, and 2) how they approach their own evolution. Well, actually, as I suspect you know, it isn't a matter of how they approach their own evolution but of how they were instructed (I was always told that comfort was the priority). And assuming I got the same instruction as everyone else, even if some of them *did* know that other approaches recommended an erect posture, again they were following the instructions for *this* approach, so (1) isn't accurate either. But hey, you were a TM teacher, so you know all that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/30/06 12:11 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/29/06 9:12 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: And which would those be? Which of those did you specifically see with your own eyes, and have a clear memory of? Please explain each clearly and specifically? Youve been reading FFL for years. I shouldnt need to reiterate. I never heard you say you saw with your own eyes anything of any worthy note. Now trying to avoid looking into your past to see which of those did you specifically see with your own eyes, and have a clear memory of? Please explain each clearly and specifically? I honestly cannot remember you saying anything that you yourself wirnessed. Hey Off World I havent been avoiding your question; Ive just been busy and have fallen behind on FFL. Back when I was around MMY, I was in awe of him. I literally believed that he was the prophesized second coming. Not being a woman, and never having been his personal secretary, I had no first or second hand experience of his sexual activities, and although I had heard rumors of those since 1970, I dismissed them as preposterous. The only time I entertained the slightest suspicion that something was going on was once when he was alone for a long time with a very pretty girl named Vicky from South Africa. For some reason, I just started having doubts. When she came out of the room, her face was flushed and my doubts increased, but I figured she was just feeling the shakti from his darshan. Regarding money matters and other wacky schemes, these have always taken up a significant portion of his time. I sat through many meetings, late at night, when everyone, including MMY, was having a hard time staying awake, during which he brainstormed on money making plans in great detail. I always assumed that he needed the money to spread his message, but I often wished he would spend more time on knowledge and give his followers more personal attention. I thought, only Maharishi can finish the Gita commentary and write similar books. Its a waste of his time to dwell on money so much. But he seemed to enjoy it, so what the hey? And these werent always grand schemes, although they often were. He could spend hours deliberating over the price of a bottle of amrit. I didnt buy into the Sexy Sadie rumors until 4 or 5 years ago. To date, I have spoken with two of the women. I never really knew the first, but I found her level headed and credible. Ive known the 2nd as long as Ive been in the movement, and I trust her completely. (In her case, nothing happened. She was propositioned very explicitly, and refused.) __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture.The horror of it all... Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said,it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I didn�t buy into the Sexy Sadie rumors until 4 or 5 years ago. To date, I have spoken with two of the women. I never really knew the first, but I found her level headed and credible. I�ve known the 2nd as long as I�ve been in the movement, and I trust her completely. (In her case, nothing happened. She was propositioned very explicitly, and refused.) Someday when I'm around SSRS in private I might ask him about MMY's sexual activity. Not if it's true or not, because I assume it is, but to help my own understanding of how you get blazing Brahman on one hand and then all this silly sexual and financial stuff on the other. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I didn�t buy into the Sexy Sadie rumors until 4 or 5 years ago. To date, I have spoken with two of the women. I never really knew the first, but I found her level headed and credible. I�ve known the 2nd as long as I�ve been in the movement, and I trust her completely. (In her case, nothing happened. She was propositioned very explicitly, and refused.) Someday when I'm around SSRS in private I might ask him about MMY's sexual activity. Not if it's true or not, because I assume it is, but to help my own understanding of how you get blazing Brahman on one hand and then all this silly sexual and financial stuff on the other. Well, I would be veryinterested in his response. The only way I can figure it is that this is what Gurus look like and act like in Kali Yuga. We hold the ideal in our minds and hearts, but the manifest reality in this age is muddied up. Still some of the students who seem to have reached some stage of enlightenment appear to be nicer and more moral people than the gurus. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 4:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: MMY geared TM for westerners. This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was just making money. MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they inform you of how you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then warn you to be vigilant and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in thoughts... Can't be TOO easy or its not working! Obviously, MMY just doesn't get it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture. The horror of it all... No horror, just indicative of 1) their overall level of knowledge about meditation, and 2) how they approach their own evolution. Ah yes. TMers are well known to be the fundamentalists of the meditative world... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
The Shankara quote appears to be from 'Bhaja Govindam', verse 20:- 'Let a man read but a little from Gita, drink just a drop of water from the Ganges, worship muraari (Govinda) but once. He then will have no altercation with Yama (Death).' - Stanza attributed to dRiDhabhakta. The full translation of 'Bhaja Govindam' is on:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/bhajaGovindam.htm Guru Dev singing 'Bhaja Govindam' is to be found at:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/recordings.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't get it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture. The horror of it all... Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture.The horror of it all...Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff.Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a chair. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 7/2/06 5:07 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't get it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture. The horror of it all... Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff. Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a chair. At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, I have 6 months to turn you into yogis. He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get serious. Another thing he said was, its a race to see who can purify the fastest. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't get it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture. The horror of it all... Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff. Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a chair. And if you can't sit in a chair for some reason? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I didn�t buy into the Sexy Sadie rumors until 4 or 5 years ago. To date, I have spoken with two of the women. I never really knew the first, but I found her level headed and credible. I�ve known the 2nd as long as I�ve been in the movement, and I trust her completely. (In her case, nothing happened. She was propositioned very explicitly, and refused.) Someday when I'm around SSRS in private I might ask him about MMY's sexual activity. Not if it's true or not, because I assume it is, but to help my own understanding of how you get blazing Brahman on one hand and then all this silly sexual and financial stuff on the other. I see it as a contest or lesson to see what further results from Maharishi. Does it continue to form a piece of knowledge that advances our own learning, or do we see it as less and less useful? IMO, He's definitely worth paying attention to, whether I agree or disagree or neither with what he says and does. The Maharishi Channel, eh?... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 7/2/06 5:07 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture.The horror of it all...Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff.Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a chair. At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, “I have 6 months to turn you into yogis.” He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get serious. Another thing he said was, “it’s a race to see who can purify the fastest.” _Perhaps without the direct influence of a teacher these key instructions have fallen by the wayside. I would also've liked to have seen more skillful purification practices make there way into advanced TM routines (other than 'just plain ole tapas'). They can be profoundly healing on so many levels, even the physical. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:52 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture. The horror of it all... Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff. Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a chair. And if you can't sit in a chair for some reason? Personally, I recommend learning the use of a meditation belt, they have a long history of use in both Hindu and Buddhist yogis and are portable (e.g. easy to to hiking). There are also some new ergonomic mediation chairs and seats that look pretty cool. Some that I've tried are quite usable. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:52 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't get it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture. The horror of it all... Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff. Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a chair. And if you can't sit in a chair for some reason? Personally, I recommend learning the use of a meditation belt, they have a long history of use in both Hindu and Buddhist yogis and are portable (e.g. easy to to hiking). There are also some new ergonomic mediation chairs and seats that look pretty cool. Some that I've tried are quite usable. Let me reword: and if you are physically incapable of sitting in a chair for some reason? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote: snip At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, I have 6 months to turn you into yogis. He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get serious. Another thing he said was, it's a race to see who can purify the fastest. Perhaps without the direct influence of a teacher these key instructions have fallen by the wayside. Exactly how many of the meditators pictured slumping on Willytex's Web site had attended Rick's six-month course at which these key instructions were given? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jul 2, 2006, at 8:00 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote: snip At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, "I have 6 months to turn you into yogis." He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get serious. Another thing he said was, "it's a race to see who can purify the fastest." Perhaps without the direct influence of a teacher these key instructions have fallen by the wayside. Exactly how many of the meditators pictured slumping on Willytex's Web site had attended Rick's six-month course at which these "key instructions" were given? Exactly my point: probably ZERO, thus "key instructions have fallen by the wayside". __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 8:00 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote: snip At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, I have 6 months to turn you into yogis. He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get serious. Another thing he said was, it's a race to see who can purify the fastest. Perhaps without the direct influence of a teacher these key instructions have fallen by the wayside. Exactly how many of the meditators pictured slumping on Willytex's Web site had attended Rick's six-month course at which these key instructions were given? Exactly my point: probably ZERO, thus key instructions have fallen by the wayside. No, you've missed the point completely, as usual. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
What are mudras in general and the Chin mudra in particular? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/2/06 5:07 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't get it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture. The horror of it all... Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff. Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a chair. At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, ³I have 6 months to turn you into yogis.² He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get serious. Another thing he said was, ³it¹s a race to see who can purify the fastest.² Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/2/06 10:07:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra" in particular? You know the classic pose of a yogi, sitting in lotus with hands on knees and thumbs touching the index fingers and the other remaining fingers held straight? That is symbolic of the Higher and lower self united and the three gunas cast off. That hand gesture is called Chin Mudra. There are all kinds of Mudras and they supposedly direct energies in the body to flow in specific directions. I think somebody asked M on my TTC if it was ok to sit like that, As I recall he didn't have any problem with it. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are mudras in general and the Chin mudra in particular? Vaj thought you'd *never* ask. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 7/2/06 5:07 PM, Vaj at vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't get it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture. The horror of it all... Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff. Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a chair. At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, ³I have 6 months to turn you into yogis.² He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get serious. Another thing he said was, ³it¹s a race to see who can purify the fastest.² To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/2/06 10:07:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are mudras in general and the Chin mudra in particular? You know the classic pose of a yogi, sitting in lotus with hands on knees and thumbs touching the index fingers and the other remaining fingers held straight? That is symbolic of the Higher and lower self united and the three gunas cast off. That hand gesture is called Chin Mudra. There are all kinds of Mudras and they supposedly direct energies in the body to flow in specific directions. I think somebody asked M on my TTC if it was ok to sit like that, As I recall he didn't have any problem with it. I don't sit without back support (too lazy) but I do at times like to sit with my fingers like that. So I'm glad to hear he didn't have a problem with that. Rick Archer, do you remember MMY saying anything about mudras and the chin mudra in particular? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/2/06 10:34:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra" in particular? You know the classic pose of a yogi, sitting in lotus with hands on knees and thumbs touching the index fingers and the other remaining fingers held straight? That is symbolic of the Higher and lower self united and the three gunas cast off. That hand gesture is called Chin Mudra. There are all kinds of Mudras and they supposedly direct energies in the body to flow in specific directions. I think somebody asked M on my TTC if it was ok to sit like that, As I recall he didn't have any problem with it. There is a common photo of Guru Dev sitting on a tiger skinin Lotus and holding his hands in Chin Mudra. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/1/06 3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OffWorld ...the US Indians are the only ones interested... DIXON No, because there are still more people going to them, even of different ethnic identities, than there are coming to the TMO. AOL is expanding not shrinking. ROFLMAO ! ! ! Dixon says AOL is mostly Indians , but mostly not Indians. OffWOrld Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen involve a higher percentage of Indians than any other single ethnic group, white, black, Hispanic, east Asian . But even with out the Indians, AOL is still growing faster than the TMO. TMO growing? Probably still loosing meditators faster than new ones are starting. Unless you are counting dollars or property rather than meditators. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: Last I heard, he was working with a company that make guitars, and spends his time roaming around in the woods looking for suitable pieces of wood. I¹d like that job. No shit. Great gig. Heh. It may be an interesting gig but its not exaxtly something just anyone can do. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Judy, our conversation is begining to take a disturbing turn! Well, you did say once you wanted to have tantric sex with me. This is as close as yer gonna get. Oh, baby! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 30, 2006, at 2:25 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 6/30/06 7:54 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: Was he *explicitly* posing as a celibate monk during the time he was banging the women, by the way? Yes. In what ways, specifically? Uh, with his penis? He was posing as a celibate monk with his penis? I guess that sorta makes sense... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Judy, our conversation is begining to take a disturbing turn! Well, you did say once you wanted to have tantric sex with me. This is as close as yer gonna get. Oh, baby! Yes? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/30/06 1:31:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mahesh could be a real slime ball. And, what did he teach on his 6- month courses? Stuff borrowed and re-worked from Yogananda. I did all of the Yogananda lessons after TM, out of curiosity more than anything else. There were the A of E techniques and contacts provided more information about the 6-month courses. Just more of Yogananda with his lovely spin on it. I'd heard Swami Sivananda also (all the TM mantras are in one of his books). The TM mantras, of course, are in a *lot* of books. Did you think MMY had swiped them from Sivananda? One of the Age of enlightenment techniques is also in the Siva Purana. Gasp, you mean the traditional techniques and mantras are actually, well, traditional? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Mahesh has been interested in power, in the accumulation of money, and in women. Why does he live in a big house, own helicopters, airplanes, etc? Why does he spend most of his time involved in business planning about making money? It is because he is a businessman who has the desires that other wealthy businessmen have. His spiritual front is his scam and the way he gets people to give him their time and money. --Earl Kaplan Do you really take seriously someone (Earl Kaplan) who is claiming that all of his own perceptions, assessments of the world, and lifestyle, for 30 years was 100% wrong, and now he is telling you he is 100% right??? He has a VERY bad track record on his ability to discern what the world is, and he is admitting this in big bold letters in this statement. How embarrassing for him. OffWorld Maharishi turned me into a newt!! ...I got better Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/30/06 1:25 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 6/30/06 7:54 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: Was he *explicitly* posing as a celibate monk during the time he was banging the women, by the way? Yes. In what ways, specifically? If ever the topic of women or sex came up, he would feign ignorance, and would encourage single guys to be celibate, like him. So, he'd say y'all should avoid that demon pussy, like me? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 30, 2006, at 2:25 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 6/30/06 7:54 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: Was he *explicitly* posing as a celibate monk during the time he was banging the women, by the way? Yes. In what ways, specifically? Uh, with his penis? He was posing as a celibate monk with his penis? I guess that sorta makes sense... You owe me a new monitor. Peter can be funny, but not *that* funny... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/30/06 7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Indians in large numbers attending. The difference in Indian involvement in AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the United States. But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s when TM was popular compared to how many are in the US now when AOL is popular? Big, big difference. There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants donating time or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there, they were. While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into an AOL center or lecture of some sort, try it and see what you see. I think you would be surprised. It's mostly Indians. MMY geared TM for westerners. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 6/30/06 7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ffl@ writes: Indians in large numbers attending. The difference in Indian involvement in AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the United States. But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s when TM was popular compared to how many are in the US now when AOL is popular? Big, big difference. There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants donating time or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there, they were. While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into an AOL center or lecture of some sort, try it and see what you see. I think you would be surprised. It's mostly Indians. MMY geared TM for westerners. Ding. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 6/30/06 8:14:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: In a message dated 6/30/06 6:52:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]s.com writes:--- In _FairfieldLife@FairfieldLifFai_ (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], MDi In a message dated 6/30/06 5:54:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]pno_re_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]s.com) writes:I would hope it would look like what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is doing:creating a "Woodstock of meditation" and initiating millions on a donation basis and doing some important form of world-seva,tirelessly. Millions?OffWorld Yup. Millions. And one thing I've noticed is SSRS attracts many Indian immigrants in the United States to his AOL movement, unlike MMY was ever able to do. Dr. Chopra was an Indian immigrant. So is Dr. Hari Sharma, and maybe Farrokh Anklesaria? And whole bunch others too numerous to mention. OffWorld Those few you mentioned are exactly that, a few. I rarely saw Indians coming in for lectures much less initiation. I'm not saying there weren't any, I'm say they are a very small percentage of over all initiations in the US. The events I have seen put on by AOL have primarily Indians running the events and Indians in large numbers attending. The difference in Indian involvement in AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the United States.I've noticed that same thing especially in the last 5years. In the early 90's there were very few indiansnow its Bangalore-West! Exactly __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/30/06 8:14:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In a message dated 6/30/06 6:52:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: --- In _FairfieldLife@ --- In _Fai (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) ) , MDixon6569@ , MD In a message dated 6/30/06 5:54:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] _no_re (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) ) writes: I would hope it would look like what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is doing: creating a Woodstock of meditation and initiating millions on a donation basis and doing some important form of world-seva, tirelessly. Millions? OffWorld Yup. Millions. And one thing I've noticed is SSRS attracts many Indian immigrants in the United States to his AOL movement, unlike MMY was ever able to do. Dr. Chopra was an Indian immigrant. So is Dr. Hari Sharma, and maybe Farrokh Anklesaria? And whole bunch others too numerous to mention. OffWorld Those few you mentioned are exactly that, a few. I rarely saw Indians coming in for lectures much less initiation. I'm not saying there weren't any, I'm say they are a very small percentage of over all initiations in the US. The events I have seen put on by AOL have primarily Indians running the events and Indians in large numbers attending. The difference in Indian involvement in AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the United States. I've noticed that same thing especially in the last 5 years. In the early 90's there were very few indians now its Bangalore-West! Exactly So its mostly an Indian religious thing. Good luck wit' that. (lol) OffWOrld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 6/30/06 9:01:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 6/30/06 7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Indians in large numbers attending. The difference in Indian involvement in AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the United States. But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s when TM was popular compared to how many are in the US now when AOL is popular? Big, big difference. There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants donating time or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there, they were. While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into an AOL center or lecture of some sort, try it and see what you see. I think you would be surprised. It's mostly IndiansWow, how sad, the US Indians are the only ones interested. Seems like AOL is dead in the water.OffWorld __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 6/30/06 9:01:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote:snip Well, it's hard to get out of AOL once you get in; sort of like they use scare tactics and other brain-washing tools to keep you hooked.With all due respect, what the f*ck are you talkingabout? I've been "in" the AOL and have seen the innerworkings quite clearly and the people involvedincluding SSRS are completely natural, spontaneous andopen. Seriously, what are you talking about when yourefer to "scare tactics" and "brain washing?" Are youjoking? Robert, LOL, yes he's joking. AOL also stands for America On Line, who have been accused of not allowing people to escape or leave them. People have complained about having trouble canceling their service with AOL. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 6/30/06 8:52:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ullshit, MIU/MUM had loads of Indians when I was there. Many of the them are still in Fairfield or still in to TM and are now living in the US OffWorld It may seem a lot to you, but your sense of perspective is lacking. Go to any city in the US where AOL is active and see the difference. In Houston, the overwhelming majority you see in an AOL center are Indian, usually south Indian. I'm told it's the same in other cities in Texas as well and apparently DrPete is noticing the same or something similar situation where he is. Maharishi never attracted large numbers of Indian immigrants to the TMO, not even small numbers, they were tiny or token numbers. Ask the average Initiator how many Indians he/she has initiated. It won't be many. The situation with MUM is that it is the hub of the movement and many of those Indians are probably there on scholarship to get a free or cheap education. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 6/30/06 9:01:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 6/30/06 7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Indians in large numbers attending. The difference in Indian involvement in AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the United States. But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s when TM was popular compared to how many are in the US now when AOL is popular? Big, big difference. There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants donating time or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there, they were. While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into an AOL center or lecture of some sort, try it and see what you see. I think you would be surprised. It's mostly IndiansWow, how sad, the US Indians are the only ones interested. Seems like AOL is dead in the water.OffWorld No, because there are still more people going to them, even of different ethnic identities, than there are coming to the TMO. AOL is expanding not shrinking. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 6/30/06 9:02:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" babajii_99@... wrote.Well, it's hard to get out of AOL once you get in; sort of like theyuse scare tactics and other brain-washing tools to keep you hookedDo you have experience or reports you heard about this? Specifics?OffWorld Yes, there was a class action law suit against AOL, America on Line, refresh yourself on the original post. People complained about having great difficulty canceling their service. LOL. They felt like they were being held hostage. LOL! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/1/06 1:33:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The TM mantras, of course, are in a *lot* of books. Did you think MMY had swiped them from Sivananda? One of the Age of enlightenment techniques is also in the Siva Purana.Gasp, you mean the "traditional" techniques and mantras are actually, well, "traditional?" Bingo!These so called borrowed techniques are very traditional. Just because M uses these techniques to supplement or enhance TMdoesn't mean he has ripped them off from some other teacher. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/1/06 1:43:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 6/30/06 7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Indians in large numbers attending. The difference in Indian involvement in AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the United States. But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s when TM was popular compared to how many are in the US now when AOL is popular? Big, big difference. There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants donating time or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there, they were. While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into an AOL center or lecture of some sort, try it and see what you see. I think you would be surprised. It's mostly Indians.MMY geared TM for westerners. This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was just making money. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
