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[FairfieldLife] Re: What did ‘Guru Dev’ say on Spir itual Morality and its Moral Compass

2019-12-02 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 
 "You are a human being, therefore you have the power to discriminate what is 
good and what is bad, and you can accomplish the greatest human goals. Don't 
think of yourself as weak or fallen. Whatever has happened in the past, 
understand that it was done unknowingly. But now be careful, begin doing the 
type of acts appropriate for a human being. Discern for yourself what is good 
and what is bad. Adopt the good and reject the bad.
 As a human being, if you don't know Paramàtmà, then understand that you have 
sold a diamond for the price of spinach."  -SBS
  



 
 In TM we say “Jai Guru Dev” a lot; 
 but, what did Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi’s teacher) have 
to say 
 about morality and behavior? Let us look at this for a bit.
 Let us look more at what Maharishi’s teacher had to say about character and 
behavior...
 



 Of morality Guru Dev evidently is saying,
 That our 
 Spiritual in morality is judging in discernment how we take care of ourselves 
and others in either enhancing spiritual wellbeing or not. 
 
 ..Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi’s teacher) says:
 
 “Dhanàrjana has said,
 
 [Sanskrit:] akçtvà parasantàpaü, àgatvà khalamandiram | anullaïghya 
satàm vartmaü yadalpamapi tad bahu ||
 
 This means, not harming others, not associating with bad persons, not plunging 
the àtman in entanglements, and whatever small amount we earn will be plenty. 
If you make trouble for others while earning your money, that wealth will 
remain behind, but the harm that you have given to the person will carry along 
with your subtle body. Therefore, don't act such that you carry along a baggage 
of sin with you.
 
 The meaning of àgatvà khalamandiram is this Þ if you associate with base 
people, your intellect (buddhi) gets spoiled, and once your intellect is 
spoiled, a fall is certain.
 
[The phrase] buddhinà÷àt praõasyati Þ Direct association with base objects 
is much more precipitous. So going to the home of the wicked for the purpose of 
making money is forbidden.
 

 The meaning of anullaïghya satàm vartmaü is thisÞthat path which is in 
accord with the Vedas and ÷àstras given by good people should never be 
violated.
 
 If a situation arises in your daily dealings where you have to come into 
contact with a base person, then you should approach him just like you go to 
the toilet — do the job and leave. Nobody lingers in the toilet for long. If 
you discipline your intellect in this way, then there is no doubt of harm 
through association with the low. A pure mind goes near Paramàtmà, and the 
impure mind wanders through various types of emotional states.”
 


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of moral integrity, Maharishi’s teacher’s teachings about moral character.. 
 

 Teaching #50, 
 
 "For all kinds of progress, both in this world and the next, keep the mind 
pure, and it is essential to increase the purity of the mind to remain pure. 
Therefore you must keep the company of good people while foregoing the company 
of the bad. Always study the scriptures; take care to maintain a pure diet 
(thoughts); perform Bhagavàn's bhajan and worship, as well as repetition of 
mantras; practice truth and non-injury (ahimsà), and the other precepts of 
good conduct; you must always keep yourself within proper bounds."  -Guru Dev 
Swami Brahmananda Saraswati
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "A man learns from the company he keeps. As one's company is good or evil, so 
such things will be learned. It is a notable fact that on seeing his 
companions' behavior, a man does likewise; whether he is aware of it at all or 
not, he nevertheless acts accordingly. So the point is that man's actions and 
thoughts accord with the company he keeps. Therefore, if someone falls in with 
a bad crowd, then his actions and thoughts will be corrupted; moreover, those 
with whom he comes into contact will also sink. Hence, one should strive to 
associate with good company." -Guru Dev, SBS 
 Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati reflecting,
 You should understand that if someone is of poor character, he is not a [real] 
devotee, and is just putting on a show to cheat people. Save yourself from such 
deceitful people, and save innocent pious people from them.

 

 
..
 

 As a matter of principle, one should reject those deserving rejection and 
honor those deserving honor. If unworthy people are honored, then their number 
will increase and their stench will spoil society. -SBS
  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Consideration of bad spiritual morality and bad character in behavior runs 
throughout Brahmananda Saraswati’s discourses. Like discourses #17, 19, 22, 33, 
50 and throughout, morality by what enhances spirituality or does not as a 
litmus.

 Of bad morality and bad character different people have dealt with their 
feelings around behavior displayed in the communities ofTM differently. There 
evidently

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did ‘Guru Dev’ say on Spir itual Morality and its Moral Compass

2019-10-22 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

,, 
 

 "You are a human being, therefore you have the power to discriminate what is 
good and what is bad, and you can accomplish the greatest human goals. Don't 
think of yourself as weak or fallen. Whatever has happened in the past, 
understand that it was done unknowingly. But now be careful, begin doing the 
type of acts appropriate for a human being. Discern for yourself what is good 
and what is bad. Adopt the good and reject the bad.
 As a human being, if you don't know Paramàtmà, then understand that you have 
sold a diamond for the price of spinach."  -SBS
  



 
 In TM we say “Jai Guru Dev” a lot; 
 but, what did Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi’s teacher) have 
to say 
 about morality and behavior? Let us look at this for a bit.
 Let us look more at what Maharishi’s teacher had to say about character and 
behavior...
 



 Of morality Guru Dev evidently is saying,
 That our 
 Spiritual in morality is judging in discernment how we take care of ourselves 
and others in either enhancing spiritual wellbeing or not. 
 
 ..Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi’s teacher) says:
 
 “Dhanàrjana has said,
 
 [Sanskrit:] akçtvà parasantàpaü, àgatvà khalamandiram | anullaïghya 
satàm vartmaü yadalpamapi tad bahu ||
 
 This means, not harming others, not associating with bad persons, not plunging 
the àtman in entanglements, and whatever small amount we earn will be plenty. 
If you make trouble for others while earning your money, that wealth will 
remain behind, but the harm that you have given to the person will carry along 
with your subtle body. Therefore, don't act such that you carry along a baggage 
of sin with you.
 
 The meaning of àgatvà khalamandiram is this Þ if you associate with base 
people, your intellect (buddhi) gets spoiled, and once your intellect is 
spoiled, a fall is certain.
 
[The phrase] buddhinà÷àt praõasyati Þ Direct association with base objects 
is much more precipitous. So going to the home of the wicked for the purpose of 
making money is forbidden.
 

 The meaning of anullaïghya satàm vartmaü is thisÞthat path which is in 
accord with the Vedas and ÷àstras given by good people should never be 
violated.
 
 If a situation arises in your daily dealings where you have to come into 
contact with a base person, then you should approach him just like you go to 
the toilet — do the job and leave. Nobody lingers in the toilet for long. If 
you discipline your intellect in this way, then there is no doubt of harm 
through association with the low. A pure mind goes near Paramàtmà, and the 
impure mind wanders through various types of emotional states.”
 


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of moral integrity, Maharishi’s teacher’s teachings about moral character.. 
 

 Teaching #50, 
 
 "For all kinds of progress, both in this world and the next, keep the mind 
pure, and it is essential to increase the purity of the mind to remain pure. 
Therefore you must keep the company of good people while foregoing the company 
of the bad. Always study the scriptures; take care to maintain a pure diet 
(thoughts); perform Bhagavàn's bhajan and worship, as well as repetition of 
mantras; practice truth and non-injury (ahimsà), and the other precepts of 
good conduct; you must always keep yourself within proper bounds."  -Guru Dev 
Swami Brahmananda Saraswati
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "A man learns from the company he keeps. As one's company is good or evil, so 
such things will be learned. It is a notable fact that on seeing his 
companions' behavior, a man does likewise; whether he is aware of it at all or 
not, he nevertheless acts accordingly. So the point is that man's actions and 
thoughts accord with the company he keeps. Therefore, if someone falls in with 
a bad crowd, then his actions and thoughts will be corrupted; moreover, those 
with whom he comes into contact will also sink. Hence, one should strive to 
associate with good company." -Guru Dev, SBS 
 Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati reflecting,
 You should understand that if someone is of poor character, he is not a [real] 
devotee, and is just putting on a show to cheat people. Save yourself from such 
deceitful people, and save innocent pious people from them.

 

 
..
 

 As a matter of principle, one should reject those deserving rejection and 
honor those deserving honor. If unworthy people are honored, then their number 
will increase and their stench will spoil society. -SBS
  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Consideration of bad spiritual morality and bad character in behavior runs 
throughout Brahmananda Saraswati’s discourses. Like discourses #17, 19, 22, 33, 
50 and throughout, morality by what enhances spirituality or does not as a 
litmus.

 Of bad morality and bad character different people have dealt with their 
feelings around behavior displayed in the communities ofTM differently. There

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2019-08-28 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

“Neither a borrower nor a lender be; For loan oft loses both itself and
friend.”
..said by Polonius in Act-I, Scene-III of William Shakespeare’s play
https://literarydevices.net/play/, Hamlet. The character
https://literarydevices.net/character/ Polonius counsels his son Laertes before
he embarks on his visit to Paris.

In community..

and hurtful tendency exposed - particularly, that of coveting and grasping
after riches. To obtain which, many of the members of our society had launched
into extensive business - more particularly, in the line of commerce. And in
order for the carrying it on, had involved themselves in debt beyond their
ability to pay. And in order to keep up a false credit, had through a show of
friendship and a deceptive appearance of having great possession, drawn in
others to lend them money and become their sureties for large sums, until both
the borrowers and lenders were involved in utter ruin - to the great scandal of
themselves, the distress of their families, and the reproach of our holy
profession. 1814 Elias Hicks

Evidently there is a behavioral axis between self-interest and altruism..
and maybe not strictly related to 'consciousness', as we have seen.

Hauptman’s Federal indictment is on the internet to read.. then also hearing
immediate reactions with how other felons have been in the flock, and some
infamous names unindicted.

https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/2741368/bruce-a-hauptman-v-commissioner/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/2741368/bruce-a-hauptman-v-commissioner/
https://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2018/ia-4950.pdf
https://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2018/ia-4950.pdf

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/wyoming-man-ordered-to-pay-restitution-to-iowa-investors/

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/wyoming-man-ordered-to-pay-restitution-to-iowa-investors/
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/28227351/USA_v_Hauptman
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/28227351/USA_v_Hauptman

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

The Transcendentalists’
Morality..

In the ™ movement we were told some little details about Maharishi’s teacher
Guru Dev, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. About how Maharishi first met SBS and
also about how Guru Dev found his own teacher. On advanced training residential
courses with Maharishi back in the 1970’s for those of us who were TM teachers
there was a typed one page translated discourse of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati,
of Guru Dev’s that was let to be passed around. This was the talk warning of
the selling of life for the price of spinach. An advice that held intrinsic
value that was important clarification, like a moral wake up, for people in TM
then.

Discourse 59
“After experiencing 8,400,000 births, we have obtained this rare human body;
don't waste it. Each and every moment of life is very valuable. And if you
don't understand its value? Then you will have nothing else to do but weep, and
you will have nothing in your hands in the end.
You are a human being, therefore you have the power to discriminate what is
good and what is bad, and you can accomplish the greatest human goals. Don't
think of yourself as weak or fallen. Whatever has happened in the past,
understand that it was done unknowingly. But now be careful, begin doing the
type of acts appropriate for a human being. Discern for yourself what is good
and what is bad. Adopt the good and reject the bad.

As a human being, if you don't know Paramàtmà (the Transcendent), then
understand that you have sold a diamond for the price of spinach. One does not
worship Paramàtmà for the sake of Paramàtmà. One worships Paramàtmà to remove
one's own sorrow, lack of peace, ignorance, and lack of power. Paramàtmà is all
knowing, omnipotent, and full of limitless bliss. Through worship, one can
grasp on to his unending power. The fulfillment of this superb act is the real
purpose of human life. If there is no effort made toward this, then understand
that you have cheated yourself.”

The Sweet Teachings of the Blessed Shankaràcàrya
translation by Cynthia A. Humes

http://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Ethics,
Later on MMY counseled a type of self discipline.. to be happy and mind your
own business towards being regular practicing meditators and ‘on the program’
as a basis for behavior. This instruction would be a spiritual working ethic
maybe different from social cultural ethic like the Golden Rule, that kindness
seems overtly more to do with effects of behavior on subtle psycho-spiritual

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2019-08-25 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

In community..

Evidently there is a behavioral axis between self-interest and altruism..
and maybe not strictly related to 'consciousness', as we have seen.

Hauptman’s Federal indictment is on the internet to read.. then also hearing
immediate reactions with how other felons have been in the flock, and some
infamous names unindicted.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/wyoming-man-ordered-to-pay-restitution-to-iowa-investors/

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

The Transcendentalists’
Morality..

The Sweet Teachings of the Blessed Shankaràcàrya
translation by Cynthia A. Humes

http://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Evidently there is a behavioral axis between self-interest and altruism.. and
maybe not strictly related to 'consciousness', as we have seen.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

A hardwired morality of self-interest v Altruism..

In a core worldview

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2019-08-25 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Evidently there is a behavioral axis between self-interest and altruism..
and maybe not strictly related to 'consciousness', as we have seen.

Hauptman’s Federal indictment is on the internet to read.. then also hearing
immediate reactions with how other felons have been in the flock, and some
infamous names unindicted.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/wyoming-man-ordered-to-pay-restitution-to-iowa-investors/

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

The Transcendentalists’
Morality..

The Sweet Teachings of the Blessed Shankaràcàrya
translation by Cynthia A. Humes

http://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Evidently there is a behavioral axis between self-interest and altruism.. and
maybe not strictly related to 'consciousness', as we have seen.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

A hardwired morality of self-interest v Altruism..

In a core worldview that life is nakedly a selfish struggle for money and
dominance the great act of moral decoupling woven through this in this
worldview, morality has nothing to do with anything. Altruism, trust,
cooperation and virtue are unaffordable luxuries in the struggle of all against
all. Everything is about self-interest.

Powerful, selfish people have always adopted this dirty-minded realism to
justify their own selfishness. The problem is that this philosophy is based on
an error about human beings and it leads to self-destructive behavior in all
cases.

The error is that it misunderstands what drives human action. Of course people
are driven by selfish motivations — for individual status, wealth and power.
But they are

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2019-05-21 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

The Transcendentalists’
Morality..

The Sweet Teachings of the Blessed Shankaràcàrya
translation by Cynthia A. Humes

http://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Evidently there is a behavioral axis between self-interest and altruism.. and
maybe not strictly related to 'consciousness', as we have seen.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

A hardwired morality of self-interest v Altruism..

The error is that it misunderstands what drives human action. Of course people
are driven by selfish motivations — for individual status, wealth and power.
But they are also motivated by another set of drives — for solidarity, love and
moral fulfillment — that are equally and sometimes more powerful.
People are wired to cooperate. Far from being a flimsy thing, the desire for
cooperation is the primary human evolutionary advantage we have over the other
animals.
People have a moral sense. They have a set of universal intuitions that help
establish harmony between peoples. From their first moments, children are wired
to feel each other’s pain. You don’t have to teach a child about what fairness
is; they already know. There’s no society on earth where people are admired for
running away in battle or for lying to their friends.
Paraphrase, -David Brooks, NYTimes

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

MMY would tell us simply, ‘never do that which you know to be wrong’. In
behavior by spiritual standard of what enhances or is withering to spiritual
progress, certainly in life as we live it this would seem to say, in the
pursuit

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did ‘Guru Dev’ say on Spir itual Morality and its Moral Compass

2019-01-03 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

. 

 "You are a human being, therefore you have the power to discriminate what is 
good and what is bad, and you can accomplish the greatest human goals. Don't 
think of yourself as weak or fallen. Whatever has happened in the past, 
understand that it was done unknowingly. But now be careful, begin doing the 
type of acts appropriate for a human being. Discern for yourself what is good 
and what is bad. Adopt the good and reject the bad.
 As a human being, if you don't know Paramàtmà, then understand that you have 
sold a diamond for the price of spinach."  -SBS
  



 
 In TM we say “Jai Guru Dev” a lot; 
 but, what did Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi’s teacher) have 
to say 
 about morality and behavior? Let us look at this for a bit.
 Let us look more at what Maharishi’s teacher had to say about character and 
behavior...
 



 Of morality Guru Dev evidently is saying,
 That our 
 Spiritual in morality is judging in discernment how we take care of ourselves 
and others in either enhancing spiritual wellbeing or not. 
 
 ..Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi’s teacher) says:
 
 “Dhanàrjana has said,
 
 [Sanskrit:] akçtvà parasantàpaü, àgatvà khalamandiram | anullaïghya 
satàm vartmaü yadalpamapi tad bahu ||
 
 This means, not harming others, not associating with bad persons, not plunging 
the àtman in entanglements, and whatever small amount we earn will be plenty. 
If you make trouble for others while earning your money, that wealth will 
remain behind, but the harm that you have given to the person will carry along 
with your subtle body. Therefore, don't act such that you carry along a baggage 
of sin with you.
 
 The meaning of àgatvà khalamandiram is this Þ if you associate with base 
people, your intellect (buddhi) gets spoiled, and once your intellect is 
spoiled, a fall is certain.
 
[The phrase] buddhinà÷àt praõasyati Þ Direct association with base objects 
is much more precipitous. So going to the home of the wicked for the purpose of 
making money is forbidden.
 

 The meaning of anullaïghya satàm vartmaü is thisÞthat path which is in 
accord with the Vedas and ÷àstras given by good people should never be 
violated.
 
 If a situation arises in your daily dealings where you have to come into 
contact with a base person, then you should approach him just like you go to 
the toilet — do the job and leave. Nobody lingers in the toilet for long. If 
you discipline your intellect in this way, then there is no doubt of harm 
through association with the low. A pure mind goes near Paramàtmà, and the 
impure mind wanders through various types of emotional states.”
 


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of moral integrity, Maharishi’s teacher’s teachings about moral character.. 
 

 Teaching #50, 
 
 "For all kinds of progress, both in this world and the next, keep the mind 
pure, and it is essential to increase the purity of the mind to remain pure. 
Therefore you must keep the company of good people while foregoing the company 
of the bad. Always study the scriptures; take care to maintain a pure diet 
(thoughts); perform Bhagavàn's bhajan and worship, as well as repetition of 
mantras; practice truth and non-injury (ahimsà), and the other precepts of 
good conduct; you must always keep yourself within proper bounds."  -Guru Dev 
Swami Brahmananda Saraswati
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "A man learns from the company he keeps. As one's company is good or evil, so 
such things will be learned. It is a notable fact that on seeing his 
companions' behavior, a man does likewise; whether he is aware of it at all or 
not, he nevertheless acts accordingly. So the point is that man's actions and 
thoughts accord with the company he keeps. Therefore, if someone falls in with 
a bad crowd, then his actions and thoughts will be corrupted; moreover, those 
with whom he comes into contact will also sink. Hence, one should strive to 
associate with good company." -Guru Dev, SBS 
 Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati reflecting,
 You should understand that if someone is of poor character, he is not a [real] 
devotee, and is just putting on a show to cheat people. Save yourself from such 
deceitful people, and save innocent pious people from them.

 

 
..
 

 As a matter of principle, one should reject those deserving rejection and 
honor those deserving honor. If unworthy people are honored, then their number 
will increase and their stench will spoil society. -SBS
  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Consideration of bad spiritual morality and bad character in behavior runs 
throughout Brahmananda Saraswati’s discourses. Like discourses #17, 19, 22, 33, 
50 and throughout, morality by what enhances spirituality or does not as a 
litmus.

 Of bad morality and bad character different people have dealt with their 
feelings around behavior displayed in the communities ofTM differently. There 
evidently

[FairfieldLife] Re: What a "Modern Veena" (synthesizer) brings.

2018-12-03 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Spiritual
Sound therapy.
Sounds
, as in the use of music in the hands of realized beings as modality of
transformative transmission.
Ammachi’s programs employ this in method too.
Janet Sussman has this peculiar level of conscious being employing
musicianship in sound’s ability on the human spiritual body system.

https://timeportalpubs.com/products/our-cd-s.html
https://timeportalpubs.com/products/our-cd-s.html

MMY’s programs might have been conducted similarly except that he was
tone-deaf.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Nada Chikitsa by Nada Brahma.
Sound therapy
Sounds

It isn't just a synthesizer.

Sri Swamiji has played Healing and Meditation concerts for over 25 years.
Royal Albert Hall in London,
Lincoln Center in NYC
Sydney Opera House
Esplanade in Singapore
First Indian Musician to headline a concert in China.

to name a few of the hundreds of sessions with His Modern Veena.

He wrote a treatise on Raga Ragini Vidya encompassing
music.

The greatest classical Indian musicians yearn to be on stage playing with Him.

He has no peer.

http://puttugam.com/bestowal-of-honorary-doctorate-in-music-on-parama-pujya-sri-ganapathy-sachchidananda-swamiji/

Old live video of 100,000 people attending a concert in Hyderabad, India. 2006
https://youtu.be/Lcsf5F7jwkI https://youtu.be/Lcsf5F7jwkI

Jai Guru Datta

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did ‘Guru Dev’ say on Spir itual Morality and its Moral Compass

2018-09-01 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]



 "You are a human being, therefore you have the power to discriminate what is 
good and what is bad, and you can accomplish the greatest human goals. Don't 
think of yourself as weak or fallen. Whatever has happened in the past, 
understand that it was done unknowingly. But now be careful, begin doing the 
type of acts appropriate for a human being. Discern for yourself what is good 
and what is bad. Adopt the good and reject the bad.
 As a human being, if you don't know Paramàtmà, then understand that you have 
sold a diamond for the price of spinach."  -SBS
  



 
 In TM we say “Jai Guru Dev” a lot; 
 but, what did Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi’s teacher) have 
to say 
 about morality and behavior? Let us look at this for a bit.
 Let us look more at what Maharishi’s teacher had to say about character and 
behavior...
 



 Of morality Guru Dev evidently is saying,
 That our 
 Spiritual in morality is judging in discernment how we take care of ourselves 
and others in either enhancing spiritual wellbeing or not. 
 
 ..Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi’s teacher) says:
 
 “Dhanàrjana has said,
 
 [Sanskrit:] akçtvà parasantàpaü, àgatvà khalamandiram | anullaïghya 
satàm vartmaü yadalpamapi tad bahu ||
 
 This means, not harming others, not associating with bad persons, not plunging 
the àtman in entanglements, and whatever small amount we earn will be plenty. 
If you make trouble for others while earning your money, that wealth will 
remain behind, but the harm that you have given to the person will carry along 
with your subtle body. Therefore, don't act such that you carry along a baggage 
of sin with you.
 
 The meaning of àgatvà khalamandiram is this Þ if you associate with base 
people, your intellect (buddhi) gets spoiled, and once your intellect is 
spoiled, a fall is certain.
 
[The phrase] buddhinà÷àt praõasyati Þ Direct association with base objects 
is much more precipitous. So going to the home of the wicked for the purpose of 
making money is forbidden.
 

 The meaning of anullaïghya satàm vartmaü is thisÞthat path which is in 
accord with the Vedas and ÷àstras given by good people should never be 
violated.
 
 If a situation arises in your daily dealings where you have to come into 
contact with a base person, then you should approach him just like you go to 
the toilet — do the job and leave. Nobody lingers in the toilet for long. If 
you discipline your intellect in this way, then there is no doubt of harm 
through association with the low. A pure mind goes near Paramàtmà, and the 
impure mind wanders through various types of emotional states.”
 


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of moral integrity, Maharishi’s teacher’s teachings about moral character.. 
 

 Teaching #50, 
 
 "For all kinds of progress, both in this world and the next, keep the mind 
pure, and it is essential to increase the purity of the mind to remain pure. 
Therefore you must keep the company of good people while foregoing the company 
of the bad. Always study the scriptures; take care to maintain a pure diet 
(thoughts); perform Bhagavàn's bhajan and worship, as well as repetition of 
mantras; practice truth and non-injury (ahimsà), and the other precepts of 
good conduct; you must always keep yourself within proper bounds."  -Guru Dev 
Swami Brahmananda Saraswati
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "A man learns from the company he keeps. As one's company is good or evil, so 
such things will be learned. It is a notable fact that on seeing his 
companions' behavior, a man does likewise; whether he is aware of it at all or 
not, he nevertheless acts accordingly. So the point is that man's actions and 
thoughts accord with the company he keeps. Therefore, if someone falls in with 
a bad crowd, then his actions and thoughts will be corrupted; moreover, those 
with whom he comes into contact will also sink. Hence, one should strive to 
associate with good company." -Guru Dev, SBS 
 Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati reflecting,
 You should understand that if someone is of poor character, he is not a [real] 
devotee, and is just putting on a show to cheat people. Save yourself from such 
deceitful people, and save innocent pious people from them.

 

 
..
 

 As a matter of principle, one should reject those deserving rejection and 
honor those deserving honor. If unworthy people are honored, then their number 
will increase and their stench will spoil society. -SBS
  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Consideration of bad spiritual morality and bad character in behavior runs 
throughout Brahmananda Saraswati’s discourses. Like discourses #17, 19, 22, 33, 
50 and throughout, morality by what enhances spirituality or does not as a 
litmus.

 Of bad morality and bad character different people have dealt with their 
feelings around behavior displayed in the communities ofTM differently. There 
evidently

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did ‘Guru Dev’ say on Spiritual Morality and its Moral Compass

2018-07-14 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Guru Dev Brahmananda Saraswati comments on the effect in consequent of the 
company one may keep..
 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/437308 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/437308


 Just as Guru Dev points out in spiritual discourse, likewise the NYTimes on 
well being..
 Are you spending time with the right people for your health and happiness?
 The Power of Positive People, a NYTimes article..

 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/10/well/the-power-of-positive-people.html 
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/10/well/the-power-of-positive-people.html
 

 

 Guru Dev says,

 "You are a human being, therefore you have the power to discriminate what is 
good and what is bad, and you can accomplish the greatest human goals. Don't 
think of yourself as weak or fallen. Whatever has happened in the past, 
understand that it was done unknowingly. But now be careful, begin doing the 
ype of acts appropriate for a human being. Discern for yourself what is good 
and what is bad. Adopt the good and reject the bad.
 As a human being, if you don't know Paramàtmà, then understand that you have 
sold a diamond for the price of spinach."  -SBS
  



 
 In TM we say “Jai Guru Dev” a lot; 
 but, what did Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi’s teacher) have 
to say 
 about morality and behavior? Let us look at this for a bit.
 Let us look more at what Maharishi’s teacher had to say about character and 
behavior...
 



 Of morality Guru Dev evidently is saying,
 That our 
 Spiritual in morality is judging in discernment how we take care of ourselves 
and others in either enhancing spiritual wellbeing or not. 
 
 ..Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi’s teacher) says:
 
 “Dhanàrjana has said,
 
 [Sanskrit:] akçtvà parasantàpaü, àgatvà khalamandiram | anullaïghya 
satàm vartmaü yadalpamapi tad bahu ||
 
 This means, not harming others, not associating with bad persons, not plunging 
the àtman in entanglements, and whatever small amount we earn will be plenty. 
If you make trouble for others while earning your money, that wealth will 
remain behind, but the harm that you have given to the person will carry along 
with your subtle body. Therefore, don't act such that you carry along a baggage 
of sin with you.
 
 The meaning of àgatvà khalamandiram is this Þ if you associate with base 
people, your intellect (buddhi) gets spoiled, and once your intellect is 
spoiled, a fall is certain.
 
[The phrase] buddhinà÷àt praõasyati Þ Direct association with base objects 
is much more precipitous. So going to the home of the wicked for the purpose of 
making money is forbidden.
 

 The meaning of anullaïghya satàm vartmaü is thisÞthat path which is in 
accord with the Vedas and ÷àstras given by good people should never be 
violated.
 
 If a situation arises in your daily dealings where you have to come into 
contact with a base person, then you should approach him just like you go to 
the toilet — do the job and leave. Nobody lingers in the toilet for long. If 
you discipline your intellect in this way, then there is no doubt of harm 
through association with the low. A pure mind goes near Paramàtmà, and the 
impure mind wanders through various types of emotional states.”
 


 
 Of moral integrity, Maharishi’s teacher’s teachings about moral character.. 
 

 Teaching #50, 
 
 "For all kinds of progress, both in this world and the next, keep the mind 
pure, and it is essential to increase the purity of the mind to remain pure. 
Therefore you must keep the company of good people while foregoing the company 
of the bad. Always study the scriptures; take care to maintain a pure diet 
(thoughts); perform Bhagavàn's bhajan and worship, as well as repetition of 
mantras; practice truth and non-injury (ahimsà), and the other precepts of 
good conduct; you must always keep yourself within proper bounds."  -Guru Dev 
Swami Brahmananda Saraswati
 

 
 "A man learns from the company he keeps. As one's company is good or evil, so 
such things will be learned. It is a notable fact that on seeing his 
companions' behavior, a man does likewise; whether he is aware of it at all or 
not, he nevertheless acts accordingly. So the point is that man's actions and 
thoughts accord with the company he keeps. Therefore, if someone falls in with 
a bad crowd, then his actions and thoughts will be corrupted; moreover, those 
with whom he comes into contact will also sink. Hence, one should strive to 
associate with good company." -Guru Dev, SBS 
 Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati reflecting,
 You should understand that if someone is of poor character, he is not a [real] 
devotee, and is just putting on a show to cheat people. Save yourself from such 
deceitful people, and save innocent pious people from them.

 

 ..
 

 As a matter of principle, one should reject those deserving rejection and 
honor those deserving honor. If unworthy

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did ‘Guru Dev’ say on Spir itual Morality and its Moral Compass

2018-07-01 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

.  Of morality In spiritual consequent, ignoring basic science like we see with 
the global climate science, meditation science, and now within public policy 
with early childhood developmental science, the ignoring of science so readily 
runs over human spiritual decency. 

 This United States administrative isolation and separation of young children 
from their parents seems sinful spiritually to thus do and spiritually sinful 
to advocate for it. By standards it likely rates as something of a crime 
against humanity. It all seems shockingly bad to sensibilities of deeper human 
spirituality.  

 Evidently by science and also common sense the policy is much less than 
spiritual but only expedient. Pretty evidently it is incredibly hurtful to the 
development of young people. 
 By science and common sense regardless of politics it apparently is not 
spiritually right for children to be separated from their parents or guardians 
by this administrative action going on. It falls in with resistance to the 
manifest science of climate change and the science of meditation. The forceful 
separating of children from parents at least in the knowing of science it would 
seem is against natural law. As the action is hurtful spiritually it is amoral. 

 Guru Dev says of morality.. 
 What did ‘Guru Dev’ say on Spiritual Morality and its Moral Compass.. 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/437308 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/437308

 

 

 "You are a human being, therefore you have the power to discriminate what is 
good and what is bad, and you can accomplish the greatest human goals. Don't 
think of yourself as weak or fallen. Whatever has happened in the past, 
understand that it was done unknowingly. But now be careful, begin doing the 
ype of acts appropriate for a human being. Discern for yourself what is good 
and what is bad. Adopt the good and reject the bad.
 As a human being, if you don't know Paramàtmà, then understand that you have 
sold a diamond for the price of spinach."  -SBS
  



 
 In TM we say “Jai Guru Dev” a lot; 
 but, what did Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi’s teacher) have 
to say 
 about morality and behavior? Let us look at this for a bit.
 Let us look more at what Maharishi’s teacher had to say about character and 
behavior...
 



 Of morality Guru Dev evidently is saying,
 That our 
 Spiritual in morality is judging in discernment how we take care of ourselves 
and others in either enhancing spiritual wellbeing or not. 
 
 ..Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi’s teacher) says:
 
 “Dhanàrjana has said,
 
 [Sanskrit:] akçtvà parasantàpaü, àgatvà khalamandiram | anullaïghya 
satàm vartmaü yadalpamapi tad bahu ||
 
 This means, not harming others, not associating with bad persons, not plunging 
the àtman in entanglements, and whatever small amount we earn will be plenty. 
If you make trouble for others while earning your money, that wealth will 
remain behind, but the harm that you have given to the person will carry along 
with your subtle body. Therefore, don't act such that you carry along a baggage 
of sin with you.
 
 The meaning of àgatvà khalamandiram is this Þ if you associate with base 
people, your intellect (buddhi) gets spoiled, and once your intellect is 
spoiled, a fall is certain.
 
[The phrase] buddhinà÷àt praõasyati Þ Direct association with base objects 
is much more precipitous. So going to the home of the wicked for the purpose of 
making money is forbidden.
 

 The meaning of anullaïghya satàm vartmaü is thisÞthat path which is in 
accord with the Vedas and ÷àstras given by good people should never be 
violated.
 
 If a situation arises in your daily dealings where you have to come into 
contact with a base person, then you should approach him just like you go to 
the toilet — do the job and leave. Nobody lingers in the toilet for long. If 
you discipline your intellect in this way, then there is no doubt of harm 
through association with the low. A pure mind goes near Paramàtmà, and the 
impure mind wanders through various types of emotional states.”
 


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of moral integrity, Maharishi’s teacher’s teachings about moral character.. 
 

 Teaching #50, 
 
 "For all kinds of progress, both in this world and the next, keep the mind 
pure, and it is essential to increase the purity of the mind to remain pure. 
Therefore you must keep the company of good people while foregoing the company 
of the bad. Always study the scriptures; take care to maintain a pure diet 
(thoughts); perform Bhagavàn's bhajan and worship, as well as repetition of 
mantras; practice truth and non-injury (ahimsà), and the other precepts of 
good conduct; you must always keep yourself within proper bounds."  -Guru Dev 
Swami Brahmananda Saraswati
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "A man learns

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did ‘Guru Dev’ say on Spir itual Morality and its Moral Compass

2018-06-30 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 Of morality In spiritual consequent, ignoring basic science like we see with 
the global climate science, meditation science, and now within public policy 
with early childhood developmental science, the ignoring of science so readily 
runs over human spiritual decency. 

 This United States administrative isolation and separation of young children 
from their parents seems sinful spiritually to thus do and spiritually sinful 
to advocate for it. By standards it likely rates as something of a crime 
against humanity. It all seems shockingly bad to sensibilities of deeper human 
spirituality.  

 Evidently by science and also common sense the policy is much less than 
spiritual but only expedient. Pretty evidently it is incredibly hurtful to the 
development of young people. 
 By science and common sense regardless of politics it apparently is not 
spiritually right for children to be separated from their parents or guardians 
by this administrative action going on. It falls in with resistance to the 
manifest science of climate change and the science of meditation. The forceful 
separating of children from parents at least in the knowing of science it would 
seem is against natural law. As the action is hurtful spiritually it is amoral. 

 Guru Dev says of morality.. 
 What did ‘Guru Dev’ say on Spiritual Morality and its Moral Compass.. 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/437308 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/437308

 

 

 "You are a human being, therefore you have the power to discriminate what is 
good and what is bad, and you can accomplish the greatest human goals. Don't 
think of yourself as weak or fallen. Whatever has happened in the past, 
understand that it was done unknowingly. But now be careful, begin doing the 
ype of acts appropriate for a human being. Discern for yourself what is good 
and what is bad. Adopt the good and reject the bad.
 As a human being, if you don't know Paramàtmà, then understand that you have 
sold a diamond for the price of spinach."  -SBS
  



 
 In TM we say “Jai Guru Dev” a lot; 
 but, what did Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi’s teacher) have 
to say 
 about morality and behavior? Let us look at this for a bit.
 Let us look more at what Maharishi’s teacher had to say about character and 
behavior...
 



 Of morality Guru Dev evidently is saying,
 That our 
 Spiritual in morality is judging in discernment how we take care of ourselves 
and others in either enhancing spiritual wellbeing or not. 
 
 ..Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi’s teacher) says:
 
 “Dhanàrjana has said,
 
 [Sanskrit:] akçtvà parasantàpaü, àgatvà khalamandiram | anullaïghya 
satàm vartmaü yadalpamapi tad bahu ||
 
 This means, not harming others, not associating with bad persons, not plunging 
the àtman in entanglements, and whatever small amount we earn will be plenty. 
If you make trouble for others while earning your money, that wealth will 
remain behind, but the harm that you have given to the person will carry along 
with your subtle body. Therefore, don't act such that you carry along a baggage 
of sin with you.
 
 The meaning of àgatvà khalamandiram is this Þ if you associate with base 
people, your intellect (buddhi) gets spoiled, and once your intellect is 
spoiled, a fall is certain.
 
[The phrase] buddhinà÷àt praõasyati Þ Direct association with base objects 
is much more precipitous. So going to the home of the wicked for the purpose of 
making money is forbidden.
 

 The meaning of anullaïghya satàm vartmaü is thisÞthat path which is in 
accord with the Vedas and ÷àstras given by good people should never be 
violated.
 
 If a situation arises in your daily dealings where you have to come into 
contact with a base person, then you should approach him just like you go to 
the toilet — do the job and leave. Nobody lingers in the toilet for long. If 
you discipline your intellect in this way, then there is no doubt of harm 
through association with the low. A pure mind goes near Paramàtmà, and the 
impure mind wanders through various types of emotional states.”
 


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of moral integrity, Maharishi’s teacher’s teachings about moral character.. 
 

 Teaching #50, 
 
 "For all kinds of progress, both in this world and the next, keep the mind 
pure, and it is essential to increase the purity of the mind to remain pure. 
Therefore you must keep the company of good people while foregoing the company 
of the bad. Always study the scriptures; take care to maintain a pure diet 
(thoughts); perform Bhagavàn's bhajan and worship, as well as repetition of 
mantras; practice truth and non-injury (ahimsà), and the other precepts of 
good conduct; you must always keep yourself within proper bounds."  -Guru Dev 
Swami Brahmananda Saraswati
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "A man learns from

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did ‘Guru Dev’ say on Spiritual Morality and its Moral Compass

2018-06-23 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]



 "You are a human being, therefore you have the power to discriminate what is 
good and what is bad, and you can accomplish the greatest human goals. Don't 
think of yourself as weak or fallen. Whatever has happened in the past, 
understand that it was done unknowingly. But now be careful, begin doing the 
ype of acts appropriate for a human being. Discern for yourself what is good 
and what is bad. Adopt the good and reject the bad.
 As a human being, if you don't know Paramàtmà, then understand that you have 
sold a diamond for the price of spinach."  -SBS
  



 
 In TM we say “Jai Guru Dev” a lot; 
 but, what did Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi’s teacher) have 
to say 
 about morality and behavior? Let us look at this for a bit.
 Let us look more at what Maharishi’s teacher had to say about character and 
behavior...
 



 Of morality Guru Dev evidently is saying,
 That our 
 Spiritual in morality is judging in discernment how we take care of ourselves 
and others in either enhancing spiritual wellbeing or not. 
 
 ..Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi’s teacher) says:
 
 “Dhanàrjana has said,
 
 [Sanskrit:] akçtvà parasantàpaü, àgatvà khalamandiram | anullaïghya 
satàm vartmaü yadalpamapi tad bahu ||
 
 This means, not harming others, not associating with bad persons, not plunging 
the àtman in entanglements, and whatever small amount we earn will be plenty. 
If you make trouble for others while earning your money, that wealth will 
remain behind, but the harm that you have given to the person will carry along 
with your subtle body. Therefore, don't act such that you carry along a baggage 
of sin with you.
 
 The meaning of àgatvà khalamandiram is this Þ if you associate with base 
people, your intellect (buddhi) gets spoiled, and once your intellect is 
spoiled, a fall is certain.
 
[The phrase] buddhinà÷àt praõasyati Þ Direct association with base objects 
is much more precipitous. So going to the home of the wicked for the purpose of 
making money is forbidden.
 

 The meaning of anullaïghya satàm vartmaü is thisÞthat path which is in 
accord with the Vedas and ÷àstras given by good people should never be 
violated.
 
 If a situation arises in your daily dealings where you have to come into 
contact with a base person, then you should approach him just like you go to 
the toilet — do the job and leave. Nobody lingers in the toilet for long. If 
you discipline your intellect in this way, then there is no doubt of harm 
through association with the low. A pure mind goes near Paramàtmà, and the 
impure mind wanders through various types of emotional states.”
 


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of moral integrity, Maharishi’s teacher’s teachings about moral character.. 
 

 Teaching #50, 
 
 "For all kinds of progress, both in this world and the next, keep the mind 
pure, and it is essential to increase the purity of the mind to remain pure. 
Therefore you must keep the company of good people while foregoing the company 
of the bad. Always study the scriptures; take care to maintain a pure diet 
(thoughts); perform Bhagavàn's bhajan and worship, as well as repetition of 
mantras; practice truth and non-injury (ahimsà), and the other precepts of 
good conduct; you must always keep yourself within proper bounds."  -Guru Dev 
Swami Brahmananda Saraswati
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "A man learns from the company he keeps. As one's company is good or evil, so 
such things will be learned. It is a notable fact that on seeing his 
companions' behavior, a man does likewise; whether he is aware of it at all or 
not, he nevertheless acts accordingly. So the point is that man's actions and 
thoughts accord with the company he keeps. Therefore, if someone falls in with 
a bad crowd, then his actions and thoughts will be corrupted; moreover, those 
with whom he comes into contact will also sink. Hence, one should strive to 
associate with good company." -Guru Dev, SBS 
 Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati reflecting,
 You should understand that if someone is of poor character, he is not a [real] 
devotee, and is just putting on a show to cheat people. Save yourself from such 
deceitful people, and save innocent pious people from them.

 

 
..
 

 As a matter of principle, one should reject those deserving rejection and 
honor those deserving honor. If unworthy people are honored, then their number 
will increase and their stench will spoil society. -SBS
  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Consideration of bad spiritual morality and bad character in behavior runs 
throughout Brahmananda Saraswati’s discourses. Like discourses #17, 19, 22, 33, 
50 and throughout, morality by what enhances spirituality or does not as a 
litmus.

 Of bad morality and bad character different people have dealt with their 
feelings around behavior displayed in the communities ofTM differently. There 
evidently

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did ‘Guru Dev’ say on Spiri t ual Morality and its Moral Compass

2018-06-10 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

You are a human being, therefore you have the power to discriminate what is 
good and what is bad, and you can accomplish the greatest human goals. Don't 
think of yourself as weak or fallen. Whatever has happened in the past, 
understand that it was done unknowingly. But now be careful, begin doing the 
ype of acts appropriate for a human being. Discern for yourself what is good 
and what is bad. Adopt the good and reject the bad.
 As a human being, if you don't know Paramàtmà, then understand that you have 
sold a diamond for the price of spinach. 
  

 
 
 
 
  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 In TM we say “Jai Guru Dev” a lot; 
 but, what did Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi’s teacher) have 
to say 
 about morality and behavior? Let us look at this for a bit.
 Let us look more at what Maharishi’s teacher had to say about character and 
behavior...
 



 Of morality Guru Dev evidently is saying,
 That our 
 Spiritual in morality is judging in discernment how we take care of ourselves 
and others in either enhancing spiritual wellbeing or not. 
 
 ..Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi’s teacher) says:
 
 “Dhanàrjana has said,
 
 [Sanskrit:] akçtvà parasantàpaü, àgatvà khalamandiram | anullaïghya 
satàm vartmaü yadalpamapi tad bahu ||
 
 This means, not harming others, not associating with bad persons, not plunging 
the àtman in entanglements, and whatever small amount we earn will be plenty. 
If you make trouble for others while earning your money, that wealth will 
remain behind, but the harm that you have given to the person will carry along 
with your subtle body. Therefore, don't act such that you carry along a baggage 
of sin with you.
 
 The meaning of àgatvà khalamandiram is this Þ if you associate with base 
people, your intellect (buddhi) gets spoiled, and once your intellect is 
spoiled, a fall is certain.
 
[The phrase] buddhinà÷àt praõasyati Þ Direct association with base objects 
is much more precipitous. So going to the home of the wicked for the purpose of 
making money is forbidden.
 

 The meaning of anullaïghya satàm vartmaü is thisÞthat path which is in 
accord with the Vedas and ÷àstras given by good people should never be 
violated.
 
 If a situation arises in your daily dealings where you have to come into 
contact with a base person, then you should approach him just like you go to 
the toilet — do the job and leave. Nobody lingers in the toilet for long. If 
you discipline your intellect in this way, then there is no doubt of harm 
through association with the low. A pure mind goes near Paramàtmà, and the 
impure mind wanders through various types of emotional states.”
 


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of moral integrity, Maharishi’s teacher’s teachings about moral character.. 
 

 Teaching #50, 
 
 "For all kinds of progress, both in this world and the next, keep the mind 
pure, and it is essential to increase the purity of the mind to remain pure. 
Therefore you must keep the company of good people while foregoing the company 
of the bad. Always study the scriptures; take care to maintain a pure diet 
(thoughts); perform Bhagavàn's bhajan and worship, as well as repetition of 
mantras; practice truth and non-injury (ahimsà), and the other precepts of 
good conduct; you must always keep yourself within proper bounds."  -Guru Dev 
Swami Brahmananda Saraswati
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "A man learns from the company he keeps. As one's company is good or evil, so 
such things will be learned. It is a notable fact that on seeing his 
companions' behavior, a man does likewise; whether he is aware of it at all or 
not, he nevertheless acts accordingly. So the point is that man's actions and 
thoughts accord with the company he keeps. Therefore, if someone falls in with 
a bad crowd, then his actions and thoughts will be corrupted; moreover, those 
with whom he comes into contact will also sink. Hence, one should strive to 
associate with good company." -Guru Dev, SBS 
 Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati reflecting,
 You should understand that if someone is of poor character, he is not a [real] 
devotee, and is just putting on a show to cheat people. Save yourself from such 
deceitful people, and save innocent pious people from them.

 

 
..
 

 As a matter of principle, one should reject those deserving rejection and 
honor those deserving honor. If unworthy people are honored, then their number 
will increase and their stench will spoil society. -SBS
  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Consideration of bad spiritual morality and bad character in behavior runs 
throughout Brahmananda Saraswati’s discourses. Like discourses #17, 19, 22, 33, 
50 and throughout, morality by what enhances spirituality or does not as a 
litmus.

 Of bad morality and bad character different people have dealt with their 
feelings around behavior displayed in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: What would ETs look like?

2018-06-09 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 They may look like octopi or a creature from the movie, "Aliens"
 

 
https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/experts-say-aliens-probably-look-like.html/11/
 
https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/experts-say-aliens-probably-look-like.html/11/

[FairfieldLife] Re: What did ‘Guru Dev’ say on Spirit ual Morality and its Moral Compass

2018-06-09 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

FW email: Obviously MMY wasn’t paying attention when GD said that stuff. 
Probably out running errands. 
  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 In TM we say “Jai Guru Dev” a lot; 
 but, what did Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi’s teacher) have 
to say 
 about morality and behavior? Let us look at this for a bit.
 Let us look more at what Maharishi’s teacher had to say about character and 
behavior...
 



 Of morality Guru Dev evidently is saying,
 That our 
 Spiritual in morality is judging in discernment how we take care of ourselves 
and others in either enhancing spiritual wellbeing or not. 
 
 ..Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi’s teacher) says:
 
 “Dhanàrjana has said,
 
 [Sanskrit:] akçtvà parasantàpaü, àgatvà khalamandiram | anullaïghya 
satàm vartmaü yadalpamapi tad bahu ||
 
 This means, not harming others, not associating with bad persons, not plunging 
the àtman in entanglements, and whatever small amount we earn will be plenty. 
If you make trouble for others while earning your money, that wealth will 
remain behind, but the harm that you have given to the person will carry along 
with your subtle body. Therefore, don't act such that you carry along a baggage 
of sin with you.
 
 The meaning of àgatvà khalamandiram is this Þ if you associate with base 
people, your intellect (buddhi) gets spoiled, and once your intellect is 
spoiled, a fall is certain.
 
[The phrase] buddhinà÷àt praõasyati Þ Direct association with base objects 
is much more precipitous. So going to the home of the wicked for the purpose of 
making money is forbidden.
 

 The meaning of anullaïghya satàm vartmaü is thisÞthat path which is in 
accord with the Vedas and ÷àstras given by good people should never be 
violated.
 
 If a situation arises in your daily dealings where you have to come into 
contact with a base person, then you should approach him just like you go to 
the toilet — do the job and leave. Nobody lingers in the toilet for long. If 
you discipline your intellect in this way, then there is no doubt of harm 
through association with the low. A pure mind goes near Paramàtmà, and the 
impure mind wanders through various types of emotional states.”
 


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of moral integrity, Maharishi’s teacher’s teachings about moral character.. 
 

 Teaching #50, 
 
 "For all kinds of progress, both in this world and the next, keep the mind 
pure, and it is essential to increase the purity of the mind to remain pure. 
Therefore you must keep the company of good people while foregoing the company 
of the bad. Always study the scriptures; take care to maintain a pure diet; 
perform Bhagavàn's bhajan and worship, as well as repetition of mantras; 
practice truth and non-injury (ahimsà), and the other precepts of good 
conduct; you must always keep yourself within proper bounds."  -Guru Dev Swami 
Brahmananda Saraswati
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "A man learns from the company he keeps. As one's company is good or evil, so 
such things will be learned. It is a notable fact that on seeing his 
companions' behavior, a man does likewise; whether he is aware of it at all or 
not, he nevertheless acts accordingly. So the point is that man's actions and 
thoughts accord with the company he keeps. Therefore, if someone falls in with 
a bad crowd, then his actions and thoughts will be corrupted; moreover, those 
with whom he comes into contact will also sink. Hence, one should strive to 
associate with good company." -Guru Dev, SBS 
 Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati reflecting,
 You should understand that if someone is of poor character, he is not a [real] 
devotee, and is just putting on a show to cheat people. Save yourself from such 
deceitful people, and save innocent pious people from them.

 

 
..
 

 As a matter of principle, one should reject those deserving rejection and 
honor those deserving honor. If unworthy people are honored, then their number 
will increase and their stench will spoil society. -SBS
  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Consideration of bad spiritual morality and bad character in behavior runs 
throughout Brahmananda Saraswati’s discourses. Like discourses #17, 19, 22, 33, 
50 and throughout, morality by what enhances spirituality or does not as a 
litmus.

 Of bad morality and bad character different people have dealt with their 
feelings around behavior displayed in the communities ofTM differently. There 
evidently was some good, bad, and ugly in it. 
 

 Maharishi’s teacher counselled practically in his spiritual discourses on how 
to deal with bad morality and bad character. Communities continue now within TM 
and folks around TM evidently have practically taken a range of disposition 
about behavior as they see it. Not unlike what we are learning about how people 
dealt with the behavior of sexual harassment, abuse and exploitation in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: What does Consciousness have to do with it?

2018-05-24 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

‘Should’ often reads like ‘ought to’. 
 In spiritual movement who could, who is going to organize this? 
 Clergy, politicians, profit or non-profit orgs?  
 It would seem clerics, religion and governments, the churches and gurus have 
lost a lot of moral standing for movement to lead this in so many ways, not the 
least of which is in a #MeToo world since December. 
Who is going to rise to give voice and lead a kind spiritual movement in this 
day and age? The DLF, aid workers and good works? Physics professors on 
YouTube? A spiritual populist? An Avatar? A transformational transmission of 
large Nature on the mount sermon?


 r_esq writes:  

 Yes, indeed!  That was a powerful sermon.  The message was delivered to the 
people who were there and heard the words of the bishop.  The words should 
resonate in the world-- at least for a little while anyway...

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I notice the sermon delivered at the Royal Wedding last weekend too that spoke 
about this transmission that can be given through shakti.  Lectures hold 
different nomenclatures and possibly in physics lectures or sermons from 
pulpits in an advanced lecture there are Mahavakyas that can spark it in the 
human system too.  

 Love is the way | Bishop Michael Curry's captivating sermon - The Royal 
Wedding -
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhV0PL49d3Y 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhV0PL49d3Y
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There was a satsanga in meditating Fairfield this last weekend about this. 
 Involved the direct transmission by the human system of primordial life, of 
love. 
 

 Was visceral and enlightening for old meditators out in the desert of 
experience. 
 If he comes back to Fairfield it is evidently worth some time to sit with him. 
A powerful Brahman consciousness kind of system to sit with. Does not teach 
techniques or anything, just sit with him by transmission. A healer that way. 
 http://www.davidspero.org/ http://www.davidspero.org/

[FairfieldLife] Re: What does Consciousness have to do with it?

2018-05-23 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Yes, indeed!  That was a powerful sermon.  The message was delivered to the 
people who were there and heard the words of the bishop.  The words should 
resonate in the world-- at least for a little while anyway...

[FairfieldLife] Re: What does Consciousness have to do with it?

2018-05-23 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I notice the sermon delivered at the Royal Wedding last weekend too that spoke 
about this transmission that can be given through shakti.  Lectures hold 
different nomenclatures and possibly in physics lectures or sermons from 
pulpits in an advanced lecture there are Mahavakyas that can spark it in the 
human system too.  

 Love is the way | Bishop Michael Curry's captivating sermon - The Royal 
Wedding -
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhV0PL49d3Y 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhV0PL49d3Y
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There was a satsanga in meditating Fairfield this last weekend about this. 
 Involved the direct transmission by the human system of primordial life, of 
love. 
 

 Was visceral and enlightening for old meditators out in the desert of 
experience. 
 If he comes back to Fairfield it is evidently worth some time to sit with him. 
A powerful Brahman consciousness kind of system to sit with. Does not teach 
techniques or anything, just sit with him by transmission. A healer that way. 
 http://www.davidspero.org/ http://www.davidspero.org/

[FairfieldLife] Re: What does Consciousness have to do with it?

2018-05-23 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

There was a satsanga in meditating Fairfield this last weekend about this. 
 Involved the direct transmission by the human system of primordial life, of 
love. 
 Was visceral and enlightening for old meditators in the desert. If he comes 
back to Fairfield it is evidently worth some time to sit with him. A powerful 
Brahman consciousness kind of system to sit with. Does not teach techniques or 
anything, just sit with him by transmission. A healer that way. 
 http://www.davidspero.org/ http://www.davidspero.org/

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2018-04-14 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Of Spiritual morality and ethical behavior,

inside Swami Brahmananda Saraswati's discourses the importance of moral
behavior and the company we keep is very much a thread that runs through his
satsanga. SBS groups together the study of spiritual works, cultivating
transcendence (meditation practices) and also behavior that does not impugn
the spiritual subtle system.

The discourses are short talks given as practical spirituality. They are
erudite and grounded with folk sense of countryside humor (mid-20th Century).
For the discourses of Swami Brahmanada Saraswati find:
http://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html

http://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

[ email reply..
This has nothing to do with being 'judgmental.'
Just about everyone associated with the IAA knows that 'minding one's own
business' has to do with how we do our Program. That is clear from the context
of Maharishi's saying it on his talks, which we hear all the time. It may not
be clear for anyone who do not hear those talks all the time. ]

Ethics,
Later on MMY counseled a type of self discipline.. to be happy and "mind your
own business" towards being regular practicing meditators and ‘on the program’
as a basis for behavior. This instruction would be a spiritual working ethic
maybe different from social cultural ethic like the Golden Rule, that kindness
seems overtly more to do with effects of behavior on subtle psycho-spiritual
light-bodies of people.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

What is unconscionable, in TM? "Thou shalt not.." Anything particularly
unconscionable, hurtful, in the community of TM?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

The Transcendentalists’
Morality..

The Sweet Teachings of the Blessed Shankaràcàrya
translation by Cynthia A. Humes

http://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Evidently there is a behavioral axis between self-interest and altruism.. and
maybe not strictly related to 'consciousness', as we have seen.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

A hardwired morality of self-interest v Altruism..

In a core worldview that life is nakedly a selfish struggle for money and

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2018-04-14 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

What is unconscionable, in TM? "Thou shalt not.." Anything particularly
unconscionable, hurtful, in the community of TM?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

The Transcendentalists’
Morality..

The Sweet Teachings of the Blessed Shankaràcàrya
translation by Cynthia A. Humes

http://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Evidently there is a behavioral axis between self-interest and altruism.. and
maybe not strictly related to 'consciousness', as we have seen.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

A hardwired morality of self-interest v Altruism..

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2018-04-13 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

What is unconscionable, in TM? "Thou shalt not.." Anything particularly
unconscionable, hurtful, in the community of TM?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

The Transcendentalists’
Morality..

The Sweet Teachings of the Blessed Shankaràcàrya
translation by Cynthia A. Humes

http://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Evidently there is a behavioral axis between self-interest and altruism.. and
maybe not strictly related to 'consciousness', as we have seen.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

A hardwired morality of self-interest v Altruism..

---In

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2018-04-13 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

What is unconscionable, in TM? "Thou shalt not.." Anything particularly
unconscionable, in the community of TM?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

The Transcendentalists’
Morality..

In the ™ movement we were told some little details about Maharishi’s teacher
Guru Dev, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. About how Maharishi first met SBS and
also about how Guru Dev found his own teacher.
On advanced training residential courses with Maharishi back in the 1970’s for
those of us who were TM teachers there was a typed one page translated
discourse of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, of Guru Dev’s that was let to be
passed around. This was the talk warning of the selling of life for the price
of spinach. An advice that held intrinsic value that was important
clarification, like a moral wake up, for people in TM then.

The Sweet Teachings of the Blessed Shankaràcàrya
translation by Cynthia A. Humes

http://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Evidently there is a behavioral axis between self-interest and altruism.. and
maybe not strictly related to 'consciousness', as we have seen.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

A hardwired morality of self-interest v Altruism..

---In

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2018-04-10 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

The Transcendentalists’
Morality..

The Sweet Teachings of the Blessed Shankaràcàrya
translation by Cynthia A. Humes

http://www.lulu.com/shop/lb-shriver-and-translation-by-cynthia-ann-humes/the-sweet-teachings-of-the-blessed-sankaracarya-swami-brahmananda-saraswati/paperback/product-21350609.html

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Evidently there is a behavioral axis between self-interest and altruism.. and
maybe not strictly related to 'consciousness', as we have seen.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

A hardwired morality of self-interest v Altruism..

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

MMY would tell us simply, ‘never do that which you know to be wrong’. In
behavior by spiritual standard of what enhances or is withering

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-08-30 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

..A  healthy embodied system on the map of
 Spirituality, and the ‘Behavioral Axis’..
 

Commentary from the Fairfield satasang 
 “There is a horrible narrative out there about how unethical meditators have 
been with money dealings, business dealings, fundraising, and babysitters. At a 
minimum the leadership in going forward needs to get out in front of this now.  
They ‘should’ be absolutely direct, frank in asserting that in going forward 
the meditating community in truth is NOT that; that our movement communities 
will only tolerate legal and honest behavior of its employees and members in 
going forward in behavior according to the published codes of Cities, States 
and Nations where we live and that anything less will NOT be tolerated, at all 
and grounds for dismissal. Then also sack anyone, like that Mayor of Vedic 
City, who gets up and willfully disrespects the group with alternate facts. The 
guy quite evidently  should never be given the podium or microphone again at a 
meditator community meeting. It was worse than jumbling numbers but 
mis-representing. That is it, the leadership should not allow the meditating 
community to suffer this kind of blatant alternative fact hyperbole anymore. It 
has for so long reflected so badly on the meditating community, this needs to 
change right now in going forward.
 An old meditator out in the Fairfield meditating community who heard what that 
raja guy pulled at the Jan 12th meeting asked why the guy was even speaking 
there? Pointing out that Maharishi Vedic City is not part of the .org movement 
anymore than a group of meditators who live together in a neighborhood on 
Wilson Blvd. in Fairfield or Seven Hills, Ecovillage, New Glasco, or meditators 
living in Ca-Lu Apartments together. Or should they also be given microphone 
time at Dome meetings of the meditating community?” 
 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “..A spiritual loss”.
 What, where and whose finer feeling?
 ‘Spiritual loss’ evidently is measured by experience in the human subtle 
system where spiritual morality is registered in effect.  MMY advising, ‘Never 
do that which you know to be wrong’, carries moral import that is not just 
ethical or philosophical study but spiritual. 

 MMY: 
 If communication accomplishes something on the gross, but damages something on 
the level of feeling, then it is a spiritual loss!
 

Longer quote from MMY at FFL  435519Maharishi: All action should be to nourish 
the fine feeling  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ethics, 
Later on MMY counseled a type of self discipline.. to be happy and mind your 
own business towards being regular practicing meditators and ‘on the program’ 
as a basis for behavior. This instruction would be a spiritual working ethic 
maybe different from social cultural ethic like the Golden Rule, that kindness 
seems overtly more to do with effects of behavior on subtle psycho-spiritual 
light-bodies of people. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Evidently there is a behavioral axis between self-interest and altruism..  and 
maybe not strictly related to 'consciousness', as we have seen.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A hardwired morality of self-interest v Altruism..
 

 In a core worldview that life is nakedly a selfish struggle for money and 
dominance the great act of moral decoupling woven through this in this 
worldview, morality has nothing to do with anything.  Altruism, trust, 
cooperation and virtue are unaffordable luxuries in the struggle of all against 
all. Everything is about self-interest.
  
 Powerful, selfish people have always adopted this dirty-minded realism to 
justify their own selfishness. The problem is that this philosophy is based on 
an error about human beings and it leads to self-destructive behavior in all 
cases.
  
 The error is that it misunderstands what drives human action. Of course people 
are driven by selfish motivations — for individual status, wealth and power. 
But they are also motivated by another set of drives — for solidarity, love and 
moral fulfillment — that are equally and sometimes more powerful.
 People are wired to cooperate. Far from being a flimsy thing, the desire for 
cooperation is the primary human evolutionary advantage we have over the other 
animals.
 People have a moral sense. They have a set of universal intuitions that help 
establish harmony between peoples. From their first moments, children are wired 
to feel each other’s pain. You don’t have to teach a child about what fairness 
is; they already know. There’s no society on earth where people are admired for 
running away in battle or for lying to their friends.
 Paraphrase, -David Brooks, NYTimes
 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 MMY would tell us simply, ‘never do that which you know to be wrong’.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-08-20 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

“..A spiritual loss”.
 What, where and whose finer feeling?
 ‘Spiritual loss’ evidently is measured by experience in the human subtle 
system where spiritual morality is registered in effect.  MMY advising, ‘Never 
do that which you know to be wrong’, carries moral import that is not just 
ethical or philosophical study but spiritual. 

 MMY: 
 
 If communication accomplishes something on the gross, but damages something on 
the level of feeling, then it is a spiritual loss!
 

Longer quote from MMY at FFL  435519Maharishi: All action should be to nourish 
the fine feeling  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ethics, 
Later on MMY counseled a type of self discipline.. to be happy and mind your 
own business towards being regular practicing meditators and ‘on the program’ 
as a basis for behavior. This instruction would be a spiritual working ethic 
maybe different from social cultural ethic like the Golden Rule, that kindness 
seems overtly more to do with effects of behavior on subtle psycho-spiritual 
light-bodies of people. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Evidently there is a behavioral axis between self-interest and altruism..  and 
maybe not strictly related to 'consciousness', as we have seen.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A hardwired morality of self-interest v Altruism..
 

 In a core worldview that life is nakedly a selfish struggle for money and 
dominance the great act of moral decoupling woven through this in this 
worldview, morality has nothing to do with anything.  Altruism, trust, 
cooperation and virtue are unaffordable luxuries in the struggle of all against 
all. Everything is about self-interest.
  
 Powerful, selfish people have always adopted this dirty-minded realism to 
justify their own selfishness. The problem is that this philosophy is based on 
an error about human beings and it leads to self-destructive behavior in all 
cases.
  
 The error is that it misunderstands what drives human action. Of course people 
are driven by selfish motivations — for individual status, wealth and power. 
But they are also motivated by another set of drives — for solidarity, love and 
moral fulfillment — that are equally and sometimes more powerful.
 People are wired to cooperate. Far from being a flimsy thing, the desire for 
cooperation is the primary human evolutionary advantage we have over the other 
animals.
 People have a moral sense. They have a set of universal intuitions that help 
establish harmony between peoples. From their first moments, children are wired 
to feel each other’s pain. You don’t have to teach a child about what fairness 
is; they already know. There’s no society on earth where people are admired for 
running away in battle or for lying to their friends.
 Paraphrase, -David Brooks, NYTimes
 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 MMY would tell us simply, ‘never do that which you know to be wrong’. In 
behavior by spiritual standard of what enhances or is withering to spiritual 
progress, certainly in life as we live it this would seem to say, in the 
pursuit of happiness repent those sinful ways that are hurtful to and against 
spiritual progress in your own life or in the lives of others. Repent! Right 
now, make haste!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From e-mail: 

 If one looks at all the criticism of the Mvmt over the years, most of it boils 
down to lack of 'development of the vertical at the expense of the horizontal.' 
That is a cerebral way to put it, development of consciousness at the expense 
of relationships, including ethics and mgmt, most of the rest boils down to the 
need for more professional training in the area concerned.
 ™’ers are not more moral or ethical. 
 We can't become a religion or ethical society by talking about ethics. That 
would not work for the Mvmt. We are here to teach transcending. But we should 
talk ethics and morals, esp ethics, among ourselves in the Mvmt. But I focus on 
mgmt for the reason I gave.
 


 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Evidently ethical behavior may not be correlated with 'development of 
consciousness'.. As in TM science research ‘moral reasoning’ is simply reduced 
and measured in standard testing as ‘quick thinking’ which apparently is not 
necessarily the same measure as ethical or compassionate behavior.  Long time 
meditators or gurus though potentially more ‘aware’ evidently are not 
necessarily more ethical. Ethical spiritual virtues evidently are felt in life 
by the human spiritual body and ethical behavior on a ‘behavioral axis’ it 
seems is cultivated differently in life by culture. Spiritually cultivated 
ethics felt and lived apparently is very much about the condition of spiritual 
life in the body (polyvagal?) and not necessarily related directly

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-07-13 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Ethics, 
Later on MMY counseled a type of self discipline.. to be happy and mind your 
own business towards being regular practicing meditators and ‘on the program’ 
as a basis for behavior. This instruction would be a spiritual working ethic 
maybe different from social cultural ethic like the Golden Rule, that kindness 
seems overtly more to do with effects of behavior on subtle psycho-spiritual 
light-bodies of people. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Evidently there is a behavioral axis between self-interest and altruism..  and 
maybe not strictly related to 'consciousness', as we have seen.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A hardwired morality of self-interest v Altruism..
 

 In a core worldview that life is nakedly a selfish struggle for money and 
dominance the great act of moral decoupling woven through this in this 
worldview, morality has nothing to do with anything.  Altruism, trust, 
cooperation and virtue are unaffordable luxuries in the struggle of all against 
all. Everything is about self-interest.
  
 Powerful, selfish people have always adopted this dirty-minded realism to 
justify their own selfishness. The problem is that this philosophy is based on 
an error about human beings and it leads to self-destructive behavior in all 
cases.
  
 The error is that it misunderstands what drives human action. Of course people 
are driven by selfish motivations — for individual status, wealth and power. 
But they are also motivated by another set of drives — for solidarity, love and 
moral fulfillment — that are equally and sometimes more powerful.
 People are wired to cooperate. Far from being a flimsy thing, the desire for 
cooperation is the primary human evolutionary advantage we have over the other 
animals.
 People have a moral sense. They have a set of universal intuitions that help 
establish harmony between peoples. From their first moments, children are wired 
to feel each other’s pain. You don’t have to teach a child about what fairness 
is; they already know. There’s no society on earth where people are admired for 
running away in battle or for lying to their friends.
 Paraphrase, -David Brooks, NYTimes
 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 MMY would tell us simply, ‘never do that which you know to be wrong’. In 
behavior by spiritual standard of what enhances or is withering to spiritual 
progress, certainly in life as we live it this would seem to say, in the 
pursuit of happiness repent those sinful ways that are hurtful to and against 
spiritual progress in your own life or in the lives of others. Repent! Right 
now, make haste!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From e-mail: 

 If one looks at all the criticism of the Mvmt over the years, most of it boils 
down to lack of 'development of the vertical at the expense of the horizontal.' 
That is a cerebral way to put it, development of consciousness at the expense 
of relationships, including ethics and mgmt, most of the rest boils down to the 
need for more professional training in the area concerned.
 ™’ers are not more moral or ethical. 
 We can't become a religion or ethical society by talking about ethics. That 
would not work for the Mvmt. We are here to teach transcending. But we should 
talk ethics and morals, esp ethics, among ourselves in the Mvmt. But I focus on 
mgmt for the reason I gave.
 


 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Evidently ethical behavior may not be correlated with 'development of 
consciousness'.. As in TM science research ‘moral reasoning’ is simply reduced 
and measured in standard testing as ‘quick thinking’ which apparently is not 
necessarily the same measure as ethical or compassionate behavior.  Long time 
meditators or gurus though potentially more ‘aware’ evidently are not 
necessarily more ethical. Ethical spiritual virtues evidently are felt in life 
by the human spiritual body and ethical behavior on a ‘behavioral axis’ it 
seems is cultivated differently in life by culture. Spiritually cultivated 
ethics felt and lived apparently is very much about the condition of spiritual 
life in the body (polyvagal?) and not necessarily related directly to a 
consciousness continuum of states of consciousness.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, evidently the heart of spirituality is embodied in the Polyvagal and 
affected in its expression by spiritual practices such as meditation, culture 
and epigenetic stress. 
  
It seems that In an awake conscious life, as transcendentalists call this, ‘a 
life well lived’, that ethical behavior is felt primarily by whether behavior 
enhances or withers spiritual life.  That simple. A felt discernment of a whole 
of the spiritual human system of being. 
 
 yifuxero writes: 
 Thx, the development of the Polyvagal

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-07-11 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Evidently there is a behavioral axis between self-interest and altruism..  and 
maybe not strictly related to 'consciousness', as we have seen.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A hardwired morality of self-interest v Altruism..
 

 In a core worldview that life is nakedly a selfish struggle for money and 
dominance the great act of moral decoupling woven through this in this 
worldview, morality has nothing to do with anything.  Altruism, trust, 
cooperation and virtue are unaffordable luxuries in the struggle of all against 
all. Everything is about self-interest.
  
 Powerful, selfish people have always adopted this dirty-minded realism to 
justify their own selfishness. The problem is that this philosophy is based on 
an error about human beings and it leads to self-destructive behavior in all 
cases.
  
 The error is that it misunderstands what drives human action. Of course people 
are driven by selfish motivations — for individual status, wealth and power. 
But they are also motivated by another set of drives — for solidarity, love and 
moral fulfillment — that are equally and sometimes more powerful.
 People are wired to cooperate. Far from being a flimsy thing, the desire for 
cooperation is the primary human evolutionary advantage we have over the other 
animals.
 People have a moral sense. They have a set of universal intuitions that help 
establish harmony between peoples. From their first moments, children are wired 
to feel each other’s pain. You don’t have to teach a child about what fairness 
is; they already know. There’s no society on earth where people are admired for 
running away in battle or for lying to their friends.
 Paraphrase, -David Brooks, NYTimes
 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 MMY would tell us simply, ‘never do that which you know to be wrong’. In 
behavior by spiritual standard of what enhances or is withering to spiritual 
progress, certainly in life as we live it this would seem to say, in the 
pursuit of happiness repent those sinful ways that are hurtful to and against 
spiritual progress in your own life or in the lives of others. Repent! Right 
now, make haste!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From e-mail: 

 If one looks at all the criticism of the Mvmt over the years, most of it boils 
down to lack of 'development of the vertical at the expense of the horizontal.' 
That is a cerebral way to put it, development of consciousness at the expense 
of relationships, including ethics and mgmt, most of the rest boils down to the 
need for more professional training in the area concerned.
 ™’ers are not more moral or ethical. 
 We can't become a religion or ethical society by talking about ethics. That 
would not work for the Mvmt. We are here to teach transcending. But we should 
talk ethics and morals, esp ethics, among ourselves in the Mvmt. But I focus on 
mgmt for the reason I gave.
 


 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Evidently ethical behavior may not be correlated with 'development of 
consciousness'.. As in TM science research ‘moral reasoning’ is simply reduced 
and measured in standard testing as ‘quick thinking’ which apparently is not 
necessarily the same measure as ethical or compassionate behavior.  Long time 
meditators or gurus though potentially more ‘aware’ evidently are not 
necessarily more ethical. Ethical spiritual virtues evidently are felt in life 
by the human spiritual body and ethical behavior on a ‘behavioral axis’ it 
seems is cultivated differently in life by culture. Spiritually cultivated 
ethics felt and lived apparently is very much about the condition of spiritual 
life in the body (polyvagal?) and not necessarily related directly to a 
consciousness continuum of states of consciousness.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, evidently the heart of spirituality is embodied in the Polyvagal and 
affected in its expression by spiritual practices such as meditation, culture 
and epigenetic stress. 
  
It seems that In an awake conscious life, as transcendentalists call this, ‘a 
life well lived’, that ethical behavior is felt primarily by whether behavior 
enhances or withers spiritual life.  That simple. A felt discernment of a whole 
of the spiritual human system of being. 
 
 yifuxero writes: 
 Thx, the development of the Polyvagal nervous system (physical representation 
of empathy and  compassion); appears to be (or can be) somewhat independent of 
the states of Consciousness mentioned by MMY.
 Thus, it does not necessarily follow that a person in (CC, UC) is well 
developed in regard to empathy, compassion, and free from Narcissistic 
tendencies.

 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Spirituality and the ‘Behavioral Axis’..

 FW: a narrative:

 “People in the meditating community

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-07-11 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

A hardwired morality of self-interest v Altruism..
 

 In a core worldview that life is nakedly a selfish struggle for money and 
dominance the great act of moral decoupling woven through this in this 
worldview, morality has nothing to do with anything.  Altruism, trust, 
cooperation and virtue are unaffordable luxuries in the struggle of all against 
all. Everything is about self-interest.
  
 Powerful, selfish people have always adopted this dirty-minded realism to 
justify their own selfishness. The problem is that this philosophy is based on 
an error about human beings and it leads to self-destructive behavior in all 
cases.
  
 The error is that it misunderstands what drives human action. Of course people 
are driven by selfish motivations — for individual status, wealth and power. 
But they are also motivated by another set of drives — for solidarity, love and 
moral fulfillment — that are equally and sometimes more powerful.
 People are wired to cooperate. Far from being a flimsy thing, the desire for 
cooperation is the primary human evolutionary advantage we have over the other 
animals.
 People have a moral sense. They have a set of universal intuitions that help 
establish harmony between peoples. From their first moments, children are wired 
to feel each other’s pain. You don’t have to teach a child about what fairness 
is; they already know. There’s no society on earth where people are admired for 
running away in battle or for lying to their friends.
 Paraphrase, -David Brooks, NYTimes
 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 MMY would tell us simply, ‘never do that which you know to be wrong’. In 
behavior by spiritual standard of what enhances or is withering to spiritual 
progress, certainly in life as we live it this would seem to say, in the 
pursuit of happiness repent those sinful ways that are hurtful to and against 
spiritual progress in your own life or in the lives of others. Repent! Right 
now, make haste!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From e-mail: 

 If one looks at all the criticism of the Mvmt over the years, most of it boils 
down to lack of 'development of the vertical at the expense of the horizontal.' 
That is a cerebral way to put it, development of consciousness at the expense 
of relationships, including ethics and mgmt, most of the rest boils down to the 
need for more professional training in the area concerned.
 ™’ers are not more moral or ethical. 
 We can't become a religion or ethical society by talking about ethics. That 
would not work for the Mvmt. We are here to teach transcending. But we should 
talk ethics and morals, esp ethics, among ourselves in the Mvmt. But I focus on 
mgmt for the reason I gave.
 


 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Evidently ethical behavior may not be correlated with 'development of 
consciousness'.. As in TM science research ‘moral reasoning’ is simply reduced 
and measured in standard testing as ‘quick thinking’ which apparently is not 
necessarily the same measure as ethical or compassionate behavior.  Long time 
meditators or gurus though potentially more ‘aware’ evidently are not 
necessarily more ethical. Ethical spiritual virtues evidently are felt in life 
by the human spiritual body and ethical behavior on a ‘behavioral axis’ it 
seems is cultivated differently in life by culture. Spiritually cultivated 
ethics felt and lived apparently is very much about the condition of spiritual 
life in the body (polyvagal?) and not necessarily related directly to a 
consciousness continuum of states of consciousness.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, evidently the heart of spirituality is embodied in the Polyvagal and 
affected in its expression by spiritual practices such as meditation, culture 
and epigenetic stress. 
  
It seems that In an awake conscious life, as transcendentalists call this, ‘a 
life well lived’, that ethical behavior is felt primarily by whether behavior 
enhances or withers spiritual life.  That simple. A felt discernment of a whole 
of the spiritual human system of being. 
 
 yifuxero writes: 
 Thx, the development of the Polyvagal nervous system (physical representation 
of empathy and  compassion); appears to be (or can be) somewhat independent of 
the states of Consciousness mentioned by MMY.
 Thus, it does not necessarily follow that a person in (CC, UC) is well 
developed in regard to empathy, compassion, and free from Narcissistic 
tendencies.

 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Spirituality and the ‘Behavioral Axis’..

 FW: a narrative:

 “People in the meditating community are not by any means fully developed, I 
see dysfunctional, disrespectful behavior often in and out of the Dome. I see 
people having a lot of experience of CC (cosmic consciousness) who often do not 
behave like saints.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-07-10 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

MMY would tell us, ‘never do that which you know to be wrong’. By a spiritual 
standard of what enhances or is withering to spiritual progress, certainly in 
life as we live it this would seem to say, repent those sinful ways that are 
hurtful to and against spiritual progress in your own life or in the lives of 
others. Repent! Right now, make haste!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From e-mail: 

 If one looks at all the criticism of the Mvmt over the years, most of it boils 
down to lack of 'development of the vertical at the expense of the horizontal.' 
That is a cerebral way to put it, development of consciousness at the expense 
of relationships, including ethics and mgmt, most of the rest boils down to the 
need for more professional training in the area concerned.
 ™’ers are not more moral or ethical. 
 We can't become a religion or ethical society by talking about ethics. That 
would not work for the Mvmt. We are here to teach transcending. But we should 
talk ethics and morals, esp ethics, among ourselves in the Mvmt. But I focus on 
mgmt for the reason I gave.
 


 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Evidently ethical behavior may not be correlated with 'development of 
consciousness'.. As in TM science research ‘moral reasoning’ is simply reduced 
and measured in standard testing as ‘quick thinking’ which apparently is not 
necessarily the same measure as ethical or compassionate behavior.  Long time 
meditators or gurus though potentially more ‘aware’ evidently are not 
necessarily more ethical. Ethical spiritual virtues evidently are felt in life 
by the human spiritual body and ethical behavior on a ‘behavioral axis’ it 
seems is cultivated differently in life by culture. Spiritually cultivated 
ethics felt and lived apparently is very much about the condition of spiritual 
life in the body (polyvagal?) and not necessarily related directly to a 
consciousness continuum of states of consciousness.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, evidently the heart of spirituality is embodied in the Polyvagal and 
affected in its expression by spiritual practices such as meditation, culture 
and epigenetic stress. 
  
It seems that In an awake conscious life, as transcendentalists call this, ‘a 
life well lived’, that ethical behavior is felt primarily by whether behavior 
enhances or withers spiritual life.  That simple. A felt discernment of a whole 
of the spiritual human system of being. 
 
 yifuxero writes: 
 Thx, the development of the Polyvagal nervous system (physical representation 
of empathy and  compassion); appears to be (or can be) somewhat independent of 
the states of Consciousness mentioned by MMY.
 Thus, it does not necessarily follow that a person in (CC, UC) is well 
developed in regard to empathy, compassion, and free from Narcissistic 
tendencies.

 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Spirituality and the ‘Behavioral Axis’..

 FW: a narrative:

 “People in the meditating community are not by any means fully developed, I 
see dysfunctional, disrespectful behavior often in and out of the Dome. I see 
people having a lot of experience of CC (cosmic consciousness) who often do not 
behave like saints. I know of one man who says he went into CC in high school 
and is now full of GC, UC and BC experience and often reports them to IAA 
anonymously. I asked an employee of his what it was like to work for him. The 
employee said, "It's all about him." and “That saint does not know how to treat 
employees / people”. My spouse is a friend of the  wife, and told me that the 
saint's wife said more or less the same thing about living with him. 

 Higher states of consciousness, and being on the path of them, is not all 
there is to sainthood or life. That's one thing that has become clear esp in 
the past years. There is the behavioral axis also. Ultimately, all is one, but 
in practice, these often need to be treated as two.  Otherwise, one ends in the 
mood-making soup. Administration needs to be skilled, and ‘sainthood’ 
appreciated and guided. “
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
..
 
 Despite their zeal, in perversity they perish. 
 Om how humankind blame the Divine Pitrs.  
 From us they say comes evil, 
 but through their own perversity are more than is their due 
 they meet with sorrow.
 Forewarned, for vengeance follows.

 The opening council, Paraphrasing, 
 -Homer, The Odyssey   

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Communal Scruples? Asking around, apparently some individuals have been 
ejected from the movement community as sexual predators, copping conning 
abusing while using jyotish, or bullying a spiritual status on their victims. 
 Some number of years ago a

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-07-06 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

From e-mail: 

 If one looks at all the criticism of the Mvmt over the years, most of it boils 
down to lack of 'development of the vertical at the expense of the horizontal.' 
That is a cerebral way to put it, development of consciousness at the expense 
of relationships, including ethics and mgmt, most of the rest boils down to the 
need for more professional training in the area concerned.
 ™’ers are not more moral or ethical. 
 We can't become a religion or ethical society by talking about ethics. That 
would not work for the Mvmt. We are here to teach transcending. But we should 
talk ethics and morals, esp ethics, among ourselves in the Mvmt. But I focus on 
mgmt for the reason I gave.
 


 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Evidently ethical behavior may not be correlated with 'development of 
consciousness'.. As in TM science research ‘moral reasoning’ is simply reduced 
and measured in standard testing as ‘quick thinking’ which apparently is not 
necessarily the same measure as ethical or compassionate behavior.  Long time 
meditators or gurus though potentially more ‘aware’ evidently are not 
necessarily more ethical. Ethical spiritual virtues evidently are felt in life 
by the human spiritual body and ethical behavior on a ‘behavioral axis’ it 
seems is cultivated differently in life by culture. Spiritually cultivated 
ethics felt and lived apparently is very much about the condition of spiritual 
life in the body (polyvagal?) and not necessarily related directly to a 
consciousness continuum of states of consciousness.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, evidently the heart of spirituality is embodied in the Polyvagal and 
affected in its expression by spiritual practices such as meditation, culture 
and epigenetic stress. 
  
It seems that In an awake conscious life, as transcendentalists call this, ‘a 
life well lived’, that ethical behavior is felt primarily by whether behavior 
enhances or withers spiritual life.  That simple. A felt discernment of a whole 
of the spiritual human system of being. 
 
 yifuxero writes: 
 Thx, the development of the Polyvagal nervous system (physical representation 
of empathy and  compassion); appears to be (or can be) somewhat independent of 
the states of Consciousness mentioned by MMY.
 Thus, it does not necessarily follow that a person in (CC, UC) is well 
developed in regard to empathy, compassion, and free from Narcissistic 
tendencies.

 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Spirituality and the ‘Behavioral Axis’..

 FW: a narrative:

 “People in the meditating community are not by any means fully developed, I 
see dysfunctional, disrespectful behavior often in and out of the Dome. I see 
people having a lot of experience of CC (cosmic consciousness) who often do not 
behave like saints. I know of one man who says he went into CC in high school 
and is now full of GC, UC and BC experience and often reports them to IAA 
anonymously. I asked an employee of his what it was like to work for him. The 
employee said, "It's all about him." and “That saint does not know how to treat 
employees / people”. My spouse is a friend of the  wife, and told me that the 
saint's wife said more or less the same thing about living with him. 

 Higher states of consciousness, and being on the path of them, is not all 
there is to sainthood or life. That's one thing that has become clear esp in 
the past years. There is the behavioral axis also. Ultimately, all is one, but 
in practice, these often need to be treated as two.  Otherwise, one ends in the 
mood-making soup. Administration needs to be skilled, and ‘sainthood’ 
appreciated and guided. “
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
..
 
 Despite their zeal, in perversity they perish. 
 Om how humankind blame the Divine Pitrs.  
 From us they say comes evil, 
 but through their own perversity are more than is their due 
 they meet with sorrow.
 Forewarned, for vengeance follows.

 The opening council, Paraphrasing, 
 -Homer, The Odyssey   

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Communal Scruples? Asking around, apparently some individuals have been 
ejected from the movement community as sexual predators, copping conning 
abusing while using jyotish, or bullying a spiritual status on their victims. 
 Some number of years ago a flamboyant guy who infamously was preying on MSAE 
age girls was threatened with arrest by a father then who was an attorney and 
the guy subsequently left Fairfield.  
 Evidently more recently some guy who had been on Purusha was using jyotish and 
spiritual specialness to sexually predate young women and also conning money, 
the guy evidently was evicted from Utopia Park and kicked off campus. 
 Another longtime predator

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-07-04 Thread rajawilliamsm...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

   Jai Guru Dev

Thanks for saying Jai Guru You, as its in your heart.   In some of my 
correspondents I would put the JaiGuruDev on top of the letter. 
When you used "there's a meditator  born every minute" line. course that mimics 
the "there's a sucker born every minute" meme , which dilutes the value of 
"there's a meditator born every minute" line, but I believe your just trying to 
make a meme, and your over looking the negative connotation.

The truth is a TM 'Raja' is impersonating Me.  Now just to give you some 
easiness of mind I"ll say from My point of view.But eventually it won't 
make your mind feel any easier .  Honestly I don't feel its my business to be 
anybodies Guru in the TM organization. Who can  improve on  Maharishi?  I don't 
feel any ambition to be anybodies Guru, to take money for being anybodies Guru 
or to have worshipers or such. Maharishi has set up a great program, if I 
recommend an aspirant I expect Maharishi's program to be followed, ,my 
experience is that doesn't always happen.  so I feel I have some responsibility 
 for being concerned

 Was interested in Raja spiritual understanding while studying with Maharishi, 
Swami Devon , Triguna Ji , and other Saints while studying in India  in 1986.
Of course the' Nuclear bomb' pointed at children throughout the world was 
something of a concern for me. and was looking for a fix.  So my path led me to 
activities which would other wise be understood as Raja, as it is, at  least in 
 ancient times.   

Was on Maharishi's Purusha program with long term commitment and life time 
sponsorship commitment,  Greg Wilson gave me less than 24 hours to leave one 
day (although he did say I should still consider myself Purusha) , saying I was 
off the program, which was not true, although I understand  he was off the 
program playing poker late at night as a matter of habit.

got  a ride out to Fairfield , right before the Iraq war, applied for staff, 
they wouldn't accept  me unless I was accepted in the dome and called Greg 
Wilson every day and held on the phone for mostly maybe about hour each day. 
the ride was going back I had little money so I went back , maybe I should have 
stayed and did the fairfield homeless thing just hangout doing program in the 
no badge room.
Concepts I've developed , Yogic flying competition, coupon system to eliminate 
poverty, books are fun business model(it seems) but concepts and models are 
different than sutras ,

Growing up my school was so small I was the 1%, there seemed to be a big 
difference in drug use, gang fights, I remember one friend saying "hey what 
happen to the gang fights we use to have, they where great fun, I miss them"  

so many of my concepts have gotten stolen, and folks have made billions of 
dollars with them, of course when one is on  purusha or a communist ,or on the 
star trek enterprise, money is not important its community.  Obviously each 
enterprise takes countless hours of dedication thought and management, and for 
what? profits are often small 


To expand my meaning ,clarify, and qualify my position , might take a few more 
words. So it might be better for now, if call myself Lord Raja William Smith, 
Raja relates to Raja Janika, and Lord relates to  Lord Mayor Terrance Mac 
Swinney , In the experience conveyed  in the American Indian tradition portray 
in the movie Thunder Heart.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-07-04 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Evidently ethical behavior may not be correlated with 'development of 
consciousness'.. As in TM science research ‘moral reasoning’ is simply reduced 
and measured in standard testing as ‘quick thinking’ which apparently is not 
necessarily the same measure as ethical or compassionate behavior.  Long time 
meditators or gurus though potentially more ‘aware’ evidently are not 
necessarily more ethical. Ethical spiritual virtues evidently are felt in life 
by the human spiritual body and ethical behavior on a ‘behavioral axis’ it 
seems is cultivated differently in life by culture. Spiritually cultivated 
ethics felt and lived apparently is very much about the condition of spiritual 
life in the body (polyvagal?) and not necessarily related directly to a 
consciousness continuum of states of consciousness.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, evidently the heart of spirituality is embodied in the Polyvagal and 
affected in its expression by spiritual practices such as meditation, culture 
and epigenetic stress. 
  
It seems that In an awake conscious life, as transcendentalists call this, ‘a 
life well lived’, that ethical behavior is felt primarily by whether behavior 
enhances or withers spiritual life.  That simple. A felt discernment of a whole 
of the spiritual human system of being. 
 
 yifuxero writes: 
 Thx, the development of the Polyvagal nervous system (physical representation 
of empathy and  compassion); appears to be (or can be) somewhat independent of 
the states of Consciousness mentioned by MMY.
 Thus, it does not necessarily follow that a person in (CC, UC) is well 
developed in regard to empathy, compassion, and free from Narcissistic 
tendencies.

 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Spirituality and the ‘Behavioral Axis’..

 FW: a narrative:

 “People in the meditating community are not by any means fully developed, I 
see dysfunctional, disrespectful behavior often in and out of the Dome. I see 
people having a lot of experience of CC (cosmic consciousness) who often do not 
behave like saints. I know of one man who says he went into CC in high school 
and is now full of GC, UC and BC experience and often reports them to IAA 
anonymously. I asked an employee of his what it was like to work for him. The 
employee said, "It's all about him." and “That saint does not know how to treat 
employees / people”. My spouse is a friend of the  wife, and told me that the 
saint's wife said more or less the same thing about living with him. 

 Higher states of consciousness, and being on the path of them, is not all 
there is to sainthood or life. That's one thing that has become clear esp in 
the past years. There is the behavioral axis also. Ultimately, all is one, but 
in practice, these often need to be treated as two.  Otherwise, one ends in the 
mood-making soup. Administration needs to be skilled, and ‘sainthood’ 
appreciated and guided. “
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
..
 
 Despite their zeal, in perversity they perish. 
 Om how humankind blame the Divine Pitrs.  
 From us they say comes evil, 
 but through their own perversity are more than is their due 
 they meet with sorrow.
 Forewarned, for vengeance follows.

 The opening council, Paraphrasing, 
 -Homer, The Odyssey   

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Communal Scruples? Asking around, apparently some individuals have been 
ejected from the movement community as sexual predators, copping conning 
abusing while using jyotish, or bullying a spiritual status on their victims. 
 Some number of years ago a flamboyant guy who infamously was preying on MSAE 
age girls was threatened with arrest by a father then who was an attorney and 
the guy subsequently left Fairfield.  
 Evidently more recently some guy who had been on Purusha was using jyotish and 
spiritual specialness to sexually predate young women and also conning money, 
the guy evidently was evicted from Utopia Park and kicked off campus. 
 Another longtime predator preying by specialness and general nuisance of the 
meditating community was purposely separated from the movement some long time 
ago is still separated and about.  
In more recent times a warning went out by e-mail around the meditating 
community about someone returning to town who had fleeced by con some lot of 
money from people in investment scams.   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Would be, communal norms..

 Yifuxero writes:

 The definition of unconscionable = doing something you know to be wrong?  
Doesn't make sense.  ISIS killers are performing A-dharmic acts that they 
believe are right. Belief or unbelief in an action doesn't dictate the degree 
of Conscionable-ness.

 Conscionable = Dharmic?
 I'm still trying to

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-07-03 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 Interesting point. That does become a different discussion, Jai the Guru in 
you? As an observation and acknowledgement there is a reality to that. But 
then, someone appears in some unclarified unqualified way impersonating a what, 
a TM ‘Raja’ on a public forum related to FAirfied and TM? Is that ethical? 
Legality might be different than what is ethical, spiritually.  
 

 In this thread it seems ‘ethical’ on a behavioral axis turns dependent on a 
spiritual hurt or help to one’s self or to others’. In consideration then this 
later discernment becomes relevant to ™ and the meditating community in 
Fairfield. -JaiGuruYou   

 

 rajawilliamsmith writes: "felt discernment" .When you say "You" instead of 
"Dev" in your letters is that ethical? 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, evidently the heart of spirituality is embodied in the Polyvagal and 
affected in its expression by spiritual practices such as meditation, culture 
and epigenetic stress. 
  
It seems that In an awake conscious life, as transcendentalists call this, ‘a 
life well lived’, that ethical behavior is felt primarily by whether behavior 
enhances or withers spiritual life.  That simple. A felt discernment of a whole 
of the spiritual human system of being. 
 
 yifuxero writes: 
 Thx, the development of the Polyvagal nervous system (physical representation 
of empathy and  compassion); appears to be (or can be) somewhat independent of 
the states of Consciousness mentioned by MMY.
 Thus, it does not necessarily follow that a person in (CC, UC) is well 
developed in regard to empathy, compassion, and free from Narcissistic 
tendencies.

 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Spirituality and the ‘Behavioral Axis’..

 FW: a narrative:

 “People in the meditating community are not by any means fully developed, I 
see dysfunctional, disrespectful behavior often in and out of the Dome. I see 
people having a lot of experience of CC (cosmic consciousness) who often do not 
behave like saints. I know of one man who says he went into CC in high school 
and is now full of GC, UC and BC experience and often reports them to IAA 
anonymously. I asked an employee of his what it was like to work for him. The 
employee said, "It's all about him." and “That saint does not know how to treat 
employees / people”. My spouse is a friend of the  wife, and told me that the 
saint's wife said more or less the same thing about living with him. 

 Higher states of consciousness, and being on the path of them, is not all 
there is to sainthood or life. That's one thing that has become clear esp in 
the past years. There is the behavioral axis also. Ultimately, all is one, but 
in practice, these often need to be treated as two.  Otherwise, one ends in the 
mood-making soup. Administration needs to be skilled, and ‘sainthood’ 
appreciated and guided. “
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
..
 
 Despite their zeal, in perversity they perish. 
 Om how humankind blame the Divine Pitrs.  
 From us they say comes evil, 
 but through their own perversity are more than is their due 
 they meet with sorrow.
 Forewarned, for vengeance follows.

 The opening council, Paraphrasing, 
 -Homer, The Odyssey   

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Communal Scruples? Asking around, apparently some individuals have been 
ejected from the movement community as sexual predators, copping conning 
abusing while using jyotish, or bullying a spiritual status on their victims. 
 Some number of years ago a flamboyant guy who infamously was preying on MSAE 
age girls was threatened with arrest by a father then who was an attorney and 
the guy subsequently left Fairfield.  
 Evidently more recently some guy who had been on Purusha was using jyotish and 
spiritual specialness to sexually predate young women and also conning money, 
the guy evidently was evicted from Utopia Park and kicked off campus. 
 Another longtime predator preying by specialness and general nuisance of the 
meditating community was purposely separated from the movement some long time 
ago is still separated and about.  
In more recent times a warning went out by e-mail around the meditating 
community about someone returning to town who had fleeced by con some lot of 
money from people in investment scams.   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Would be, communal norms..

 Yifuxero writes:

 The definition of unconscionable = doing something you know to be wrong?  
Doesn't make sense.  ISIS killers are performing A-dharmic acts that they 
believe are right. Belief or unbelief in an action doesn't dictate the degree 
of Conscionable-ness.

 Conscionable = Dharmic?
 I'm still trying to figure out how/where King Tony became rich enough to

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-07-03 Thread rajawilliamsm...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

What is Conscionable , in TM? Guess you answered that with
 "felt discernment" .When you say "You" instead of "Dev" in your letters is 
that ethical?

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-07-03 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Yes, evidently the heart of spirituality is embodied in the Polyvagal and 
affected in its expression by spiritual practices such as meditation, culture 
and epigenetic stress. 
  
It seems that In an awake conscious life, as transcendentalists call this, ‘a 
life well lived’, that ethical behavior is felt primarily by whether behavior 
enhances or withers spiritual life.  That simple. A felt discernment of a whole 
of the spiritual human system of being. 
 
 yifuxero writes: 
 Thx, the development of the Polyvagal nervous system (physical representation 
of empathy and  compassion); appears to be (or can be) somewhat independent of 
the states of Consciousness mentioned by MMY.
 Thus, it does not necessarily follow that a person in (CC, UC) is well 
developed in regard to empathy, compassion, and free from Narcissistic 
tendencies.

 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Spirituality and the ‘Behavioral Axis’..

 FW: a narrative:

 “People in the meditating community are not by any means fully developed, I 
see dysfunctional, disrespectful behavior often in and out of the Dome. I see 
people having a lot of experience of CC (cosmic consciousness) who often do not 
behave like saints. I know of one man who says he went into CC in high school 
and is now full of GC, UC and BC experience and often reports them to IAA 
anonymously. I asked an employee of his what it was like to work for him. The 
employee said, "It's all about him." and “That saint does not know how to treat 
employees / people”. My spouse is a friend of the  wife, and told me that the 
saint's wife said more or less the same thing about living with him. 

 Higher states of consciousness, and being on the path of them, is not all 
there is to sainthood or life. That's one thing that has become clear esp in 
the past years. There is the behavioral axis also. Ultimately, all is one, but 
in practice, these often need to be treated as two.  Otherwise, one ends in the 
mood-making soup. Administration needs to be skilled, and ‘sainthood’ 
appreciated and guided. “
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
..
 
 Despite their zeal, in perversity they perish. 
 Om how humankind blame the Divine Pitrs.  
 From us they say comes evil, 
 but through their own perversity are more than is their due 
 they meet with sorrow.
 Forewarned, for vengeance follows.

 The opening council, Paraphrasing, 
 -Homer, The Odyssey   

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Communal Scruples? Asking around, apparently some individuals have been 
ejected from the movement community as sexual predators, copping conning 
abusing while using jyotish, or bullying a spiritual status on their victims. 
 Some number of years ago a flamboyant guy who infamously was preying on MSAE 
age girls was threatened with arrest by a father then who was an attorney and 
the guy subsequently left Fairfield.  
 Evidently more recently some guy who had been on Purusha was using jyotish and 
spiritual specialness to sexually predate young women and also conning money, 
the guy evidently was evicted from Utopia Park and kicked off campus. 
 Another longtime predator preying by specialness and general nuisance of the 
meditating community was purposely separated from the movement some long time 
ago is still separated and about.  
In more recent times a warning went out by e-mail around the meditating 
community about someone returning to town who had fleeced by con some lot of 
money from people in investment scams.   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Would be, communal norms..

 Yifuxero writes:

 The definition of unconscionable = doing something you know to be wrong?  
Doesn't make sense.  ISIS killers are performing A-dharmic acts that they 
believe are right. Belief or unbelief in an action doesn't dictate the degree 
of Conscionable-ness.

 Conscionable = Dharmic?
 I'm still trying to figure out how/where King Tony became rich enough to 
purchase a beach-front property in FL.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Evidently there are some communal scruples that can operate along the lines of 
the Golden Rule as members generally may become adversely affected by some 
criminally asocial behaviors inside or around the TM community. Though the 
processes may not necessarily appear transparent.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Conscionable ..
 Is there anything that is unconscionable, in TM?
 “Not right or reasonable”
 “Unreasonably excessive”
 https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/unconscionable
 M would advise us, “Never do that which you know to be wrong”.
 

 Are there things Reprehensible, in TM?
 Synonyms for Reprehensible:
 deplorable

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-07-02 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

e-mail,
The way to address ethics is not to talk ethics. The way to address ethics is
to address management (cultivated upbringing and as personal self-discipline).
Management and ethics go together. When you handle one, you handle the other.
So I don't preach, I focus on mgmt. Poor ethics goes along w poor mgmt, and
when mgmt improves, the energy field is uplifted and ethics improve.

Thx, the development of the Polyvagal nervous system (physical representation
of empathy and compassion); appears to be (or can be) somewhat independent of
the states of Consciousness mentioned by MMY.
Thus, it does not necessarily follow that a person in (CC, UC) is well
developed in regard to empathy, compassion, and free from Narcissistic
tendencies.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Spirituality and the ‘Behavioral Axis’..

FW: a narrative:

“People in the meditating community are not by any means fully developed, I
see dysfunctional, disrespectful behavior often in and out of the Dome. I see
people having a lot of experience of CC (cosmic consciousness) who often do not
behave like saints. I know of one man who says he went into CC in high school
and is now full of GC, UC and BC experience and often reports them to IAA
anonymously. I asked an employee of his what it was like to work for him. The
employee said, "It's all about him." and “That saint does not know how to treat
employees / people”. My spouse is a friend of the wife, and told me that the
saint's wife said more or less the same thing about living with him.

Higher states of consciousness, and being on the path of them, is not all
there is to sainthood or life. That's one thing that has become clear esp in
the past years. There is the behavioral axis also. Ultimately, all is one, but
in practice, these often need to be treated as two. Otherwise, one ends in the
mood-making soup. Administration needs to be skilled, and ‘sainthood’
appreciated and guided. “

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Despite their zeal, in perversity they perish.
Om how humankind blame the Divine Pitrs.
From us they say comes evil,
but through their own perversity are more than is their due
they meet with sorrow.
Forewarned, for vengeance follows.

The opening council, Paraphrasing,
-Homer, The Odyssey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Communal Scruples? Asking around, apparently some individuals have been
ejected from the movement community as sexual predators, copping conning
abusing while using jyotish, or bullying a spiritual status on their victims.
Some number of years ago a flamboyant guy who infamously was preying on MSAE
age girls was threatened with arrest by a father then who was an attorney and
the guy subsequently left Fairfield.
Evidently more recently some guy who had been on Purusha was using jyotish and
spiritual specialness to sexually predate young women and also conning money,
the guy evidently was evicted from Utopia Park and kicked off campus.
Another longtime predator preying by specialness and general nuisance of the
meditating community was purposely separated from the movement some long time
ago is still separated and about.
In more recent times a warning went out by e-mail around the meditating
community about someone returning to town who had fleeced by con some lot of
money from people in investment scams.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Would be, communal norms..

Yifuxero writes:

The definition of unconscionable = doing something you know to be wrong?
Doesn't make sense. ISIS killers are performing A-dharmic acts that they
believe are right. Belief or unbelief in an action doesn't dictate the degree
of Conscionable-ness.

Conscionable = Dharmic?
I'm still trying to figure out how/where King Tony became rich enough to
purchase a beach-front property in FL.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Evidently there are some communal scruples that can operate along the lines of
the Golden Rule as members generally may become adversely affected by some
criminally asocial behaviors inside or around the TM community. Though the
processes may not necessarily appear transparent.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Conscionable ..
Is there anything that is unconscionable, in TM?
“Not right or reasonable”
“Unreasonably excessive”
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/unconscionable
M would advise us, “Never do that which you know to be wrong”.

Are there things Reprehensible, in TM?
Synonyms for Reprehensible:
deplorable
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+deplorable=deplorable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHDAA,

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-06-27 Thread yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Thx, the development of the Polyvagal nervous system (physical representation 
of empathy and  compassion); appears to be (or can be) somewhat independent of 
the states of Consciousness mentioned by MMY.
 Thus, it does not necessarily follow that a person in (CC, UC) is well 
developed in regard to empathy, compassion, and free from Narcissistic 
tendencies. 
 

 .

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-06-27 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Spirituality and the ‘Behavioral Axis’..

FW: a narrative:

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

The opening council, Paraphrasing,
-Homer, The Odyssey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Would be, communal norms..

Yifuxero writes:

Conscionable = Dharmic?
I'm still trying to figure out how/where King Tony became rich enough to
purchase a beach-front property in FL.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Are there things Reprehensible, in TM?
Synonyms for Reprehensible:
deplorable
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+deplorable=deplorable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHDAA,
disgraceful
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+disgraceful=disgraceful=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHTAA,
discreditable
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+discreditable=discreditable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHjAA,
despicable
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+despicable=despicable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHzAA,
blameworthy
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+blameworthy=blameworthy=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIIDAA,
culpable
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+culpable=culpable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIITAA,
wrong
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+wrong=wrong=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIIjAA,
bad

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-05-25 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Moral reasoning simply measured as ‘quick thinking’ is not necessarily the same
as ethical compassionate behavior. Long time meditators or gurus though
potentially more aware are not necessarily more ethical. Ethics measured out
(felt) in life by the spiritual body also is cultivated in life by culture.
Ethics spiritually cultivated and lived is very much about support of the
condition of spiritual life, consciousness in the body system. In a healthy
human psycho-spiritual system the lightbody of consciousness is more embodied
and bright within the heart, head, throat and root fields as Atman or soul and
connected such that those fields inform each other in discerning behavior that
is or is not supporting of evolution of the energy system as the body-mind
complex of ‘self-referral’ spirit embodied. A more healthy embodied system is
where morality as faculty (morality as ‘quick thinking’ as ™’ers measure it in
published studies) is potentially more conscious ethically, depending also on
culture (social cultural ethical code) and cultured ‘upbringing’ of how well
someone was raised up. Hence, ethics and morality are intertwined in the
spiritual system. Though just because someone is a meditator and they may have
greater moral reasoning (like the ™ research now shows) does not necessarily
make them more ethical, spiritually. This ethical discernment in life evidently
is different than just being ‘quicker thinking’ as measured by the morality
studies. Stories do abound in both directions of ethical about meditator
behavior in life and community that refute morality as being the equal of
ethical. Left unqualified like is being ‘promoted’ by TM’ers as a benefit of ™
possibly is quick thinking by marketers but but less than ethical, if left
unqualified. (..Pray for the souls and energetic systems of those scientists
and marketers who together would mis-represent this?)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

The opening council, Paraphrasing,
-Homer, The Odyssey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Would be, communal norms..

Yifuxero writes:

Conscionable = Dharmic?
I'm still trying to figure out how/where King Tony became rich enough to
purchase a beach-front property in FL.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-05-23 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


..
 
 Despite their zeal, in perversity they perish. 
 Om how humankind blame the Divine Pitrs.  
 From us they say comes evil, 
 but through their own perversity are more than is their due 
 they meet with sorrow.
 Forewarned, for vengeance follows.

 The opening council, Paraphrasing, 
 -Homer, The Odyssey   

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Communal Scruples? Asking around, apparently some individuals have been 
ejected from the movement community as sexual predators, copping conning 
abusing while using jyotish, or bullying a spiritual status on their victims. 
 Some number of years ago a flamboyant guy who infamously was preying on MSAE 
age girls was threatened with arrest by a father then who was an attorney and 
the guy subsequently left Fairfield.  
 Evidently more recently some guy who had been on Purusha was using jyotish and 
spiritual specialness to sexually predate young women and also conning money, 
the guy evidently was evicted from Utopia Park and kicked off campus. 
 Another longtime predator preying by specialness and general nuisance of the 
meditating community was purposely separated from the movement some long time 
ago is still separated and about.  
In more recent times a warning went out by e-mail around the meditating 
community about someone returning to town who had fleeced by con some lot of 
money from people in investment scams.   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Would be, communal norms..

 Yifuxero writes:

 The definition of unconscionable = doing something you know to be wrong?  
Doesn't make sense.  ISIS killers are performing A-dharmic acts that they 
believe are right. Belief or unbelief in an action doesn't dictate the degree 
of Conscionable-ness.

 Conscionable = Dharmic?
 I'm still trying to figure out how/where King Tony became rich enough to 
purchase a beach-front property in FL.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Evidently there are some communal scruples that can operate along the lines of 
the Golden Rule as members generally may become adversely affected by some 
criminally asocial behaviors inside or around the TM community. Though the 
processes may not necessarily appear transparent.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Conscionable ..
 Is there anything that is unconscionable, in TM?
 “Not right or reasonable”
 “Unreasonably excessive”
 https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/unconscionable
 M would advise us, “Never do that which you know to be wrong”.
 

 Are there things Reprehensible, in TM?
 Synonyms for Reprehensible:
 deplorable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+deplorable=deplorable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHDAA,
 disgraceful 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+disgraceful=disgraceful=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHTAA,
 discreditable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+discreditable=discreditable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHjAA,
 despicable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+despicable=despicable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHzAA,
 blameworthy 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+blameworthy=blameworthy=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIIDAA,
 culpable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+culpable=culpable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIITAA,
 wrong 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+wrong=wrong=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIIjAA,
 bad 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+bad=bad=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIIzAA,
 shameful 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+shameful=shameful=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJDAA,
 dishonorable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+dishonorable=dishonorable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJTAA,
 objectionable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+objectionable=objectionable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJjAA,
 opprobrious 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+opprobrious=opprobrious=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJzAA,
 repugnant 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+repugnant=repugnant=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKDAA,
 inexcusable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+inexcusable=inexcusable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKTAA,
 unforgivable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+unforgivable=unforgivable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKjAA,
 indefensible 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+indefensible=indefensible=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKzAA,
 unjustifiable

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirit and Soul?

2017-04-05 Thread dgulh...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

My posts are based on talks by the late Kireet Joshi who speaks from his own 
experience and the study of works by Sri Aurobindo, a yogi who lived between 
1872-1950. These writings are a veritable treasure trove.
http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/tracks.php?id=rebirth-and-other-worlds
 
http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/tracks.php?id=rebirth-and-other-worlds

The word centration has to be understood properly. An individual is a centre of 
divine consciousness. If the egoistic personality is the centre of a circle 
with a limited circumference, the true individual (soul) is a centre with 
flexible bounderies. Such a circle can enlarge itself to be universal.

That is the true import of centration. This centre radiates divine 
consciousness, and while being individual does not see itself as separate from 
other centres.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Gulati, these are interesting (spiritual) papers.  Are they academic writing 
or also of your own direct inner experience? Just wondering.  
 

 Long-term Meditators here in Fairfield, Iowa on the Invincible America 
Assembly Course meditating in the Domes, some for many years, give expressions 
that are more direct discernment about their inner experience this way, like 
the definitions and assertions in your paper though the nomenclature of their 
experience is not as strictly technical Sanskrit/hinduistic as you lay out.
 

 I am appreciating your employing ‘centration’ as a descriptive device instead 
of, ‘concentration’.
 

 As to your speculations about souls as resident in the human being, my wife 
trained as a nurse has been with hundreds of people as they have transitioned 
from earthly life, and with a number of great souls. Trained in modern 
physiology as a nurse and also spiritually cultivated in her own right 
intuitively, the transition of the soul as a ‘light-body’ out of the vessel of 
the body has a reality to it for her to see and work with in vigil as a nurse.
 

 Based on your writings you would likely be interested to talk with her 
sometime as to her experience with it. She has given talks about the 
‘incarnational implication’ of death in life from her insight with it..  
“People die as the live.”  You likely would appreciate how she speaks from her 
experience with it..  
https://sites.google.com/site/jenniferhamiltonchakrapracik/ 
https://sites.google.com/site/jenniferhamiltonchakrapracik/
 

 

 

 

 #
 devindersingh gulati writes:
 

 First of all, in regard to the composition of the soul itself, there is a 
speciality which must be understood. The composition of earthly consciousness 
always consists of the physical, vital and mental energy. The consciousness 
upon which the ego concentrates and revolves around, that formation over which 
the ego sense is concentrated consists always of the physical, vital and mental 
energies. So there is a formation of physical, vital and mental energy over 
which a sense ‘I am’ is constantly vibrating. And this ‘I am’ is a sense also 
consisting of mental energy. So you might say mental energy vibrating over 
mental energy with a specific colour of it which says I am, I am, I am. This is 
constantly held by memory. 
 As opposed to this formation the soul does not get composed of the physical, 
vital and mental energies. This is the first distinction. It is different from 
physical, vital and mental energies. If you use the Sanskrit word for physical, 
vital and mental energies it is Prakriti, because that is what ultimately 
Prakriti means. It means energy of movement and energy as manifested today is 
the energy of physical, mental, and vital, threefold energy �”� the physical in 
which tamas is predominant, vital in which rajas is predominant and mental in 
which sattva is predominant, it is called Trigunatmak Prakriti.
 The first distinction of the soul is that it is not composed of this threefold 
energy. Secondly, the soul here is a delegate of the jivatman. Being a delegate 
of the jivatman, it has the qualities of the jivatman. If it does not consist 
of physical, vital and mental energies what is it composed of? Being the 
delegate of the jivatman, it has the composition of the jivatman.
 The composition of jivatman is a centration, a specificity of the Supreme Lord 
Himself. Mamaeva amsha – is the description given in the Gita. The jivatman is 
Mamaeva amsha. It is my portion, my centration, not part because the Lord 
cannot be divisible. This jivatman is the madhvadaha of the Kathopnishad, the 
eater of honey. This jivatman is the centration of the Supreme Lord Himself 
which vibrates with, which is composed of, the energies of Satchitananda 
Himself. Its vibrations, its energies are energies of Satchitananda, which are 
all manifesting through Truth. So you might say Truth Energy. It is composed of 
not physical, vital and mental energies, but Truth Energies. Truth Energy 
consists of Satchitananda. It is itself the

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirit and Soul? [1 Attachment]

2017-04-05 Thread devindersingh gulati dgulh...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

It has been affirmed by Sri Aurobindo that,in fact, life, mind and supermind 
are present inthe atom, are at work there, but invisible, occultand latent in a 
subconscious or apparentunconscious action of energy. The electron andthe atom 
are in this view eternalsomnambulists. In the plant the outer formconsciousness 
is still in a state of sleep, alwayson the point of waking, but never 
waking.Animal being is mentally aware of existence,its own and others, it has 
even a practicalintelligence, founded on memory, association,stimulating need, 
observation, a power of device.The animal prepares human intelligence. Butwhen 
we come to man, we see the whole thingbecoming conscious. Man not only turns 
hisgaze downward and around him, but alsoupward towards what is about him and 
inwardtowards what is occult within him. To climb tohigher altitudes, to get a 
greater scope, totransform his lower nature, this is always anatural impulse of 
man as soon as he has madehis place for himself in the physical and vital 
20
world of the earth and has a little leisure toconsider his further 
possibilities. He is capable,unlike other terrestrial creatures, of 
becomingaware of what is deeper than mind, of the soulwithin him, and of what 
is above the mind, ofsupermind, of spirit, capable of opening to it,admitting 
it, rising towards it, taking hold of it.It is in his human nature, in all 
human nature,to exceed itself by conscious evolution, to climbbeyond what he 
is. And where is the limit ofeffectuation in the evolutionary being’s 
self-becoming by self-exceeding? 
http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/images/philosophy-of-evolution.pdf
 Gulati 

On Tuesday, 4 April 2017 1:10 PM, shirish dave  wrote:
 

 NO LIVING THING CAN BE PRODUCED FROM NON-LIVING THINGS, UNLESS WE TAKE EVERY 
THING AS LIVING THING.
ALL MOLECULES AND ATOMS ARE LIVING THING. THE SCINCE WILL SAY IN DUE COURSE 
THAT HOW THEY FEEL THEIR EXISTENCE.
AT PRESENT THE SCIENCE HAS NOT REACHED TO THAT STAGE, AS TO HOW ANIMALS, 
INSECTS, WORMS  ETC FEEL THEIR EXISTENCE. HOW COULD THEY SAY ABOUT THE 
FEELING OF ATOMIC AND SUB ATOMIC PARTICLES?
IF WE DIFFERENTIATE LIVING AND NON-LIVING TAKE THEM MADE OF DIFFERENT 
FUNDAMENTAL ENTITIES, THEN THE THEORY OF UNIFIED FIELD OF EISTEIN AND THE 
UNIFIED THEORY OF ENTITY (ADWAIT) COLLAPSES. ONE MUST KNOW THAT THERE ARE 22+4 
DIMENSIONS PERPANDICULAR TO EACH OTHERS. THE HUMAN BRAIN CAN FEEL ONLY FOUR 
DIMENSIONS. WE DO NOT KNOW HOW THE OTHERS FEEL.
RELIGIOUS BOOKS MAY TELL ANYTHING WITH OUT DEFINING THE TERMINOLOGY AND LOGIC. 
WE CANNOT TAKE IT THEIR CONCLUSIONS FOR GRANTED.
NOTHING CAN BE MADE FROM NOTHING EVEN BY THE GOD.  


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[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirit and Soul? [1 Attachment]

2017-04-03 Thread devindersingh gulati dgulh...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 First of all, in regard to the composition of the soul itself, there is a 
speciality which must be understood. The composition of earthly consciousness 
always consists of the physical, vital and mental energy. The consciousness 
upon which the ego concentrates and revolves around, that formation over which 
the ego sense is concentrated consists always of the physical, vital and mental 
energies. So there is a formation of physical, vital and mental energy over 
which a sense ‘I am’ is constantly vibrating. And this ‘I am’ is a sense also 
consisting of mental energy. So you might say mental energy vibrating over 
mental energy with a specific colour of it which says I am, I am, I am. This is 
constantly held by memory. 
As opposed to this formation the soul does not get composed of the physical, 
vital and mental energies. This is the first distinction. It is different from 
physical, vital and mental energies. If you use the Sanskrit word for physical, 
vital and mental energies it is Prakriti, because that is what ultimately 
Prakriti means. It means energy of movement and energy as manifested today is 
the energy of physical, mental, and vital, threefold energy �”� the physical in 
which tamas is predominant, vital in which rajas is predominant and mental in 
which sattva is predominant, it is called Trigunatmak Prakriti.The first 
distinction of the soul is that it is not composed of this threefold energy. 
Secondly, the soul here is a delegate of the jivatman. Being a delegate of the 
jivatman, it has the qualities of the jivatman. If it does not consist of 
physical, vital and mental energies what is it composed of? Being the delegate 
of the jivatman, it has the composition of the jivatman.The composition of 
jivatman is a centration, a specificity of the Supreme Lord Himself. Mamaeva 
amsha – is the description given in the Gita. The jivatman is Mamaeva amsha. It 
is my portion, my centration, not part because the Lord cannot be divisible. 
This jivatman is the madhvadaha of the Kathopnishad, the eater of honey. This 
jivatman is the centration of the Supreme Lord Himself which vibrates with, 
which is composed of, the energies of Satchitananda Himself. Its vibrations, 
its energies are energies of Satchitananda, which are all manifesting through 
Truth. So you might say Truth Energy. It is composed of not physical, vital and 
mental energies, but Truth Energies. Truth Energy consists of Satchitananda. It 
is itself the centration of Satchitananda. This soul is a delegate of this 
jivatman so it has all the elements of the jivatman. This is the composition.In 
other words this is a composition of the Supreme Lord and Para Prakriti as per 
the Gita. Ego is the formation of Prakriti. It is also called Apara Prakriti, 
lower Prakriti distinguished from Para Prakriti. The composition of the ego is 
that of Apara Prakriti. Composition of the soul which is the delegate of the 
jivatman is that of Para Prakriti which is Truth Energy and which is centration 
of the Divine Himself, it is energy and centration. This centration is 
specific, sustained by the Divine permanently, eternally.This specificity is 
distinguishable from all other specificities, my soul, your soul, her soul; 
each one is distinguished from the other. Each one is a centration of the 
Divine. For each one is distinct from the other. In that distinctness each one 
is independent of the other. But it is entirely inseparable from the Supreme 
Lord because it is a centration of the Lord. In other words, each soul or each 
jivatman knows itself to be independent of all the rest only in regard to its 
distinctness from the others. But not in the sense that it is independent as 
separate from all the others; distinct from others yes, but not separate from 
all the others. This is a subtle distinction which is to be made. Being 
inseparable from the Supreme Lord it knows it is entirely dependent upon the 
Supreme Lord and it does not fall into a mistake of thinking that it is 
independent of all the rest. Therefore the individuality consists of its 
distinctness from the others, inseparability from the Supreme and from the Para 
Prakriti and that it is eternal and inextinguishable because the Supreme is 
inextinguishable. Its formation of body, life and mind are constantly mutable, 
therefore they are extinguishable but the soul which is a delegate of the 
jivatman and the jivatman being the eternal centration of the Divine, is 
inextinguishable. Therefore, while the ego and egoistic formation is mutable 
and extinguishable, the soul is inextinguishable. Jivatman himself with all his 
consciousness, if it descends completely into the human body as it is with all 
its fullness of knowledge, then the kind of play that is to be played cannot be 
played because it will all the time be conscious and the gradual evolution 
which is to take place will not take place.  
http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?id=476
 Gulati

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-03-29 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 Despite their zeal, in perversity they perish. 
 Om how humankind blame the Divine Pitrs.  
 From us they say comes evil, 
 but through their own perversity are more than is their due 
 they meet with sorrow.
 Forewarned, for vengeance follows.

 The opening council, Paraphrasing, 
 -Homer, The Odyssey   

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Communal Scruples? Asking around, apparently some individuals have been 
ejected from the movement community as sexual predators, copping conning, 
abusing while using jyotish, or bullying a spiritual status on their victims. 
 Some number of years ago a flamboyant guy who infamously was preying on MSAE 
age girls was threatened with arrest by a father then who was an attorney and 
the guy subsequently left Fairfield.  
 Evidently more recently some guy who had been on Purusha was using jyotish and 
spiritual specialness to sexually predate young women and also conning money, 
the guy evidently was evicted from Utopia Park and kicked off campus. 
 Another longtime predator preying by specialness and general nuisance of the 
meditating community was purposely separated from the movement some long time 
ago is still separated and about.  
In more recent times a warning went out by e-mail around the meditating 
community about someone returning to town who had fleeced by con some lot of 
money from people in investment scams.   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Would be, communal norms..

 Yifuxero writes:

 The definition of unconscionable = doing something you know to be wrong?  
Doesn't make sense.  ISIS killers are performing A-dharmic acts that they 
believe are right. Belief or unbelief in an action doesn't dictate the degree 
of Conscionable-ness.

 Conscionable = Dharmic?
 I'm still trying to figure out how/where King Tony became rich enough to 
purchase a beach-front property in FL.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Evidently there are some communal scruples that can operate along the lines of 
the Golden Rule as members generally may become adversely affected by some 
criminally asocial behaviors inside or around the TM community. Though the 
processes may not necessarily appear transparent.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Conscionable ..
 Is there anything that is unconscionable, in TM?
 “Not right or reasonable”
 “Unreasonably excessive”
 https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/unconscionable
 M would advise us, “Never do that which you know to be wrong”.
 

 Are there things Reprehensible, in TM?
 Synonyms for Reprehensible:
 deplorable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+deplorable=deplorable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHDAA,
 disgraceful 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+disgraceful=disgraceful=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHTAA,
 discreditable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+discreditable=discreditable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHjAA,
 despicable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+despicable=despicable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHzAA,
 blameworthy 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+blameworthy=blameworthy=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIIDAA,
 culpable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+culpable=culpable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIITAA,
 wrong 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+wrong=wrong=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIIjAA,
 bad 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+bad=bad=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIIzAA,
 shameful 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+shameful=shameful=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJDAA,
 dishonorable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+dishonorable=dishonorable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJTAA,
 objectionable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+objectionable=objectionable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJjAA,
 opprobrious 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+opprobrious=opprobrious=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJzAA,
 repugnant 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+repugnant=repugnant=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKDAA,
 inexcusable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+inexcusable=inexcusable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKTAA,
 unforgivable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+unforgivable=unforgivable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKjAA,
 indefensible 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+indefensible=indefensible=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKzAA,
 unjustifiable

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-02-11 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

I got through about half of it so far. Warning, the narrator 
mispronounces some of the Sanskrit terms and I don't think the 
filmmakers were all that knowledgeable of that tradition.  Still an 
interesting watch.


I signed up for 4 devices on my Netflix account which gives me 4K on my 
4K TV.  I enjoyed "Santa Clarita Diet" in extra crispy 4K and I'm 
watching the second season of "Daredevil" in 4K. I have "Zero Days" on 
my watchlist.


If you are familiar at all with southeastern Washington, the movie "The 
River Thief" was shot in Lewiston, Moscow, Pullman and Clarkston. It's a 
good little indie film that got a low reviews because people thought it 
was "Christian" movie but I didn't get that out of it.  Sure, the 
"grandpa" played by Tommy Cash (Johnny Cash's younger brother) is a bit 
"churchy" but that is typical of eastern Washington and Idaho and often 
we would roll our eyes at such people.


On 02/11/2017 11:16 AM, ultrarishi wrote:


Thanks for the tip on the Naga documentary on Netflix. I'll give it a 
look.  They sure gave it a brutal 1 star rating, but I'll still 
watch.  I like to see programming of this nature.


Lately, I have been watching a ton of documentaries on Netflix, 
amazon, and Showtime.  2 on showtime that were fascinating was Zero 
Days about the Stuxnet Virus and Spycatcher:  CIA in the Crosshairs.  
Cause for some sleepless nights.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-02-11 Thread ultrarishi

Thanks for the tip on the Naga documentary on Netflix.  I'll give it a look.  
They sure gave it a brutal 1 star rating, but I'll still watch.  I like to see 
programming of this nature.

Lately, I have been watching a ton of documentaries on Netflix, amazon, and 
Showtime.  2 on showtime that were fascinating was Zero Days about the Stuxnet 
Virus and Spycatcher:  CIA in the Crosshairs.  Cause for some sleepless nights.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-02-11 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Communal Scruples? Asking around, apparently some individuals have been ejected 
from the movement community as sexual predators, copping, conning, using 
jyotish, or bullying a spiritual status on their victims. Some number of years 
ago a flamboyant guy who infamously was preying on MSAE age girls was 
threatened with arrest by a father then who was an attorney and the guy 
subsequently left Fairfield.  
 Evidently more recently some guy who had been on Purusha was using jyotish and 
spiritual specialness to sexually predate young women and also conning money, 
the guy evidently was evicted from Utopia Park and kicked off campus. 
 Another longtime predator preying by specialness and general nuisance of the 
meditating community was purposely separated from the movement some long time 
ago is still about.  
In more recent times a warning went out by e-mail around the meditating 
community about someone returning to town who had fleeced by con some lot of 
money from people in investment scams.   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Would be, communal norms..

 Yifuxero writes:

 The definition of unconscionable = doing something you know to be wrong?  
Doesn't make sense.  ISIS killers are performing A-dharmic acts that they 
believe are right. Belief or unbelief in an action doesn't dictate the degree 
of Conscionable-ness.

 Conscionable = Dharmic?
 I'm still trying to figure out how/where King Tony became rich enough to 
purchase a beach-front property in FL.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Evidently there are some communal scruples that can operate along the lines of 
the Golden Rule as members generally may become adversely affected by some 
criminally asocial behaviors inside or around the TM community. Though the 
processes may not necessarily appear transparent.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Conscionable ..
 Is there anything that is unconscionable, in TM?
 “Not right or reasonable”
 “Unreasonably excessive”
 https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/unconscionable
 M would advise us, “Never do that which you know to be wrong”.
 

 Are there things Reprehensible, in TM?
 Synonyms for Reprehensible:
 deplorable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+deplorable=deplorable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHDAA,
 disgraceful 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+disgraceful=disgraceful=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHTAA,
 discreditable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+discreditable=discreditable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHjAA,
 despicable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+despicable=despicable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHzAA,
 blameworthy 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+blameworthy=blameworthy=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIIDAA,
 culpable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+culpable=culpable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIITAA,
 wrong 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+wrong=wrong=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIIjAA,
 bad 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+bad=bad=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIIzAA,
 shameful 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+shameful=shameful=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJDAA,
 dishonorable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+dishonorable=dishonorable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJTAA,
 objectionable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+objectionable=objectionable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJjAA,
 opprobrious 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+opprobrious=opprobrious=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJzAA,
 repugnant 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+repugnant=repugnant=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKDAA,
 inexcusable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+inexcusable=inexcusable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKTAA,
 unforgivable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+unforgivable=unforgivable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKjAA,
 indefensible 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+indefensible=indefensible=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKzAA,
 unjustifiable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+unjustifiable=unjustifiable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoILDAA;
 

 
 conscionable
 Acting, or wishing to act, according to one's conscience; habitually governed 
by a sense of what is right; scrupulous;.
 Of or relating to conscience or equity.
 Legally valid; equitable, just. Now also in weaker sense: justifiable, 
reasonable.

 https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/conscionable
 

..A weak link possibly telegraphing that things might not have conscionably 
changed inside TM was the mayor of Maharishi

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-02-11 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 Would be, communal norms..

 Yifuxero writes:

 The definition of unconscionable = doing something you know to be wrong?  
Doesn't make sense.  ISIS killers are performing A-dharmic acts that they 
believe are right. Belief or unbelief in an action doesn't dictate the degree 
of Conscionable-ness.

 Conscionable = Dharmic?
 I'm still trying to figure out how/where King Tony became rich enough to 
purchase a beach-front property in FL.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Evidently there are some communal scruples that can operate along the lines of 
the Golden Rule as members generally may become adversely affected by some 
criminally asocial behaviors inside or around the TM community. Though the 
processes may not necessarily appear transparent.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Conscionable ..
 Is there anything that is unconscionable, in TM?
 “Not right or reasonable”
 “Unreasonably excessive”
 https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/unconscionable
 M would advise us, “Never do that which you know to be wrong”.
 

 Are there things Reprehensible, in TM?
 Synonyms for Reprehensible:
 deplorable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+deplorable=deplorable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHDAA,
 disgraceful 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+disgraceful=disgraceful=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHTAA,
 discreditable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+discreditable=discreditable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHjAA,
 despicable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+despicable=despicable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHzAA,
 blameworthy 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+blameworthy=blameworthy=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIIDAA,
 culpable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+culpable=culpable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIITAA,
 wrong 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+wrong=wrong=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIIjAA,
 bad 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+bad=bad=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIIzAA,
 shameful 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+shameful=shameful=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJDAA,
 dishonorable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+dishonorable=dishonorable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJTAA,
 objectionable 
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 opprobrious 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+opprobrious=opprobrious=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJzAA,
 repugnant 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+repugnant=repugnant=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKDAA,
 inexcusable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+inexcusable=inexcusable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKTAA,
 unforgivable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+unforgivable=unforgivable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKjAA,
 indefensible 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+indefensible=indefensible=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKzAA,
 unjustifiable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+unjustifiable=unjustifiable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoILDAA;
 

 
 conscionable
 Acting, or wishing to act, according to one's conscience; habitually governed 
by a sense of what is right; scrupulous;.
 Of or relating to conscience or equity.
 Legally valid; equitable, just. Now also in weaker sense: justifiable, 
reasonable.

 https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/conscionable
 

..A weak link possibly telegraphing that things might not have conscionably 
changed inside TM was the mayor of Maharishi Vedic City ginning up some numbers 
to imply to an outside remote listening audience that the population of M Vedic 
City and the number of pundits residing up there are both larger than what is 
closer to fact. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From Fairfield coffee house reviews today, about the 12 Jan community meeting 
folks were appreciative of Hagelin’s straight ahead report of how it was going 
for teaching of ™ in America, Craig’s talk of the University and Beall’s talk 
about the school.  
 ..Though while Hagelin and all were constrained in hyperbole, the Mayor of 
Vedic City evidently was not.   
 A weak link possibly telegraphing that things might not have conscionably 
changed inside was the mayor of Maharishi Vedic City ginning up some numbers to 
imply to an outside remote listening audience that the population of M Vedic 
City and the number of pundits residing up there are both larger than what is 
closer to fact. 
 ..Pinking up and seeming with a rush of true-believing while at the podium 
microphone this seemed an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-02-10 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

Good one Xif.  I was watching the documentary about Nagas on Netflix and 
the Nagas were despising "mantra sellers."


On 02/10/2017 04:25 PM, yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Conscionable = Dharmic?

 I'm still trying to figure out how/where King Tony became rich enough 
to purchase a beach-front property in FL.


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The definition of unconscionable = doing something you know to be 
wrong?  Doesn't make sense.  ISIS killers are performing A-dharmic 
acts that they believe are right. Belief or unbelief in an action 
doesn't dictate the degree of Conscionable-ness.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-02-10 Thread yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Conscionable = Dharmic?
  I'm still trying to figure out how/where King Tony became rich enough to 
purchase a beach-front property in FL.
 
 

 The definition of unconscionable = doing something you know to be wrong?  
Doesn't make sense.  ISIS killers are performing A-dharmic acts that they 
believe are right. Belief or unbelief in an action doesn't dictate the degree 
of Conscionable-ness.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

2017-02-10 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Evidently there are some communal scruples that can operate along the lines of 
the Golden Rule as members generally may become adversely affected by some 
criminally asocial behaviors inside or around the TM community. Though the 
processes may not necessarily appear transparent.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Conscionable ..
 Is there anything that is unconscionable, in TM?
 “Not right or reasonable”
 “Unreasonably excessive”
 https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/unconscionable

 M would advise us, “Never do that which you know to be wrong”.
 

 Are there things Reprehensible, in TM?
 Synonyms for Reprehensible:
 deplorable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+deplorable=deplorable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHDAA,
 disgraceful 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+disgraceful=disgraceful=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHTAA,
 discreditable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+discreditable=discreditable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHjAA,
 despicable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+despicable=despicable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHzAA,
 blameworthy 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+blameworthy=blameworthy=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIIDAA,
 culpable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+culpable=culpable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIITAA,
 wrong 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+wrong=wrong=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIIjAA,
 bad 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+bad=bad=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIIzAA,
 shameful 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+shameful=shameful=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJDAA,
 dishonorable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+dishonorable=dishonorable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJTAA,
 objectionable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+objectionable=objectionable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJjAA,
 opprobrious 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+opprobrious=opprobrious=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIJzAA,
 repugnant 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+repugnant=repugnant=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKDAA,
 inexcusable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+inexcusable=inexcusable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKTAA,
 unforgivable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+unforgivable=unforgivable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKjAA,
 indefensible 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+indefensible=indefensible=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIKzAA,
 unjustifiable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+unjustifiable=unjustifiable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoILDAA;
 

 
 conscionable Acting, or wishing to act, according to one's conscience; 
habitually governed by a sense of what is right; scrupulous;.
 Of or relating to conscience or equity.
 Legally valid; equitable, just. Now also in weaker sense: justifiable, 
reasonable.

 https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/conscionable
 

..A weak link possibly telegraphing that things might not have conscionably 
changed inside TM was the mayor of Maharishi Vedic City ginning up some numbers 
to imply to an outside remote listening audience that the population of M Vedic 
City and the number of pundits residing up there are both larger than what is 
closer to fact. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From Fairfield coffee house reviews today, about the 12 Jan community meeting 
folks were appreciative of Hagelin’s straight ahead report of how it was going 
for teaching of ™ in America, Craig’s talk of the University and Beall’s talk 
about the school.  
 ..Though while Hagelin and all were constrained in hyperbole the Mayor of 
Vedic City evidently was not.   
 A weak link possibly telegraphing that things might not have conscionably 
changed inside was the mayor of Maharishi Vedic City ginning up some numbers to 
imply to an outside remote listening audience that the population of M Vedic 
City and the number of pundits residing up there are both larger than what is 
closer to fact. 
 ..Pinking up and seeming with a rush of true-believing while at the podium 
microphone this seemed an unfortunate confirmation.  
 ..As to what is up there in M Vedic City it is in fact enough extraordinary in 
itself that the MVC Mayor there really did not need to do what he tried. 
 ..Oh that they would know better by now than to foment any liability of lies 
and half-truths but instead could error more definitely on the side of the 
asset of honest truth.  
 Also from his MVC talk, he’d like to build a Maharishi Invincibility Tower 
there in MVC too. 
   
 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Happens If Mexico Doesn't Pay for the Wall?

2017-01-26 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

 Trump did win the majority of the electoral votes.  It is apparent many 
Americans have agreed to Trump's agenda, including the building of the Wall.  
You have to admire Trump for thinking such a project is feasible.  If not, he 
could be a one term president, if he doesn't get impeached before that time.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 Trump is trying the old "Go Big or Go Home" strategy with his administration.  
Sucker punched everyone with no honeymoon period for the press, fed agencies, 
and our allies.  And while we are getting buyer's remorse and suddenly waking 
up the morning after the questionable pick up at 2AM for cheap sex, we are 
finding out how truly vulnerable our democracy was and is.  When got complacent 
and Saruman the Orange in the bargain.

The wall will not get built.  Trump is going to fail.  The wall is symbolic and 
absolutely impractical.  Trump will learn rather quickly that there will be no 
people to pick our crops and the food we import, like avacados, will become 
luxury items.  

NATO will go it alone and do better,

England will beg to go back to the European Union.

The American court system will be filled with civil rights and constitutional 
lawsuits.

Trump will find a warm some where, as per usual with low approval presidents, 
and have to institute a draft to find willing soldiers.

Marshall law will be routinely declared.

If he hasn't fucked too much with voter roles, he will be facing a Democratic 
Senate 2018 and possibly a blue congress as well.

Good times!

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Happens If Mexico Doesn't Pay for the Wall?

2017-01-26 Thread ultrarishi

Trump is trying the old "Go Big or Go Home" strategy with his administration.  
Sucker punched everyone with no honeymoon period for the press, fed agencies, 
and our allies.  And while we are getting buyer's remorse and suddenly waking 
up the morning after the questionable pick up at 2AM for cheap sex, we are 
finding out how truly vulnerable our democracy was and is.  When got complacent 
and Saruman the Orange in the bargain.

The wall will not get built.  Trump is going to fail.  The wall is symbolic and 
absolutely impractical.  Trump will learn rather quickly that there will be no 
people to pick our crops and the food we import, like avacados, will become 
luxury items.  

NATO will go it alone and do better,

England will beg to go back to the European Union.

The American court system will be filled with civil rights and constitutional 
lawsuits.

Trump will find a warm some where, as per usual with low approval presidents, 
and have to institute a draft to find willing soldiers.

Marshall law will be routinely declared.

If he hasn't fucked too much with voter roles, he will be facing a Democratic 
Senate 2018 and possibly a blue congress as well.

Good times!

[FairfieldLife] Re: What you should be talking about instead of groping

2016-10-14 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Actually, Bhairitu, if you did just a little critical thinking, you'd realize 
this nuclear hoo-hah is about Putin trying to scare Americans into electing 
Trump, because Putin knows how easy it will be to manipulate him. So Putin is 
painting Hillary as the candidate who wants war with Russia and Trump as the 
"peace candidate." 

 Get a clue, dude.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 The badminton game between the two lousy Presidential candidates is a 
 distraction from what Americans should be paying attention to. The 
 mainstream US media is to blame. Welcome to fascist America (actually 
 been around for some time). So why is the US trying to pick a war with 
 Russia?
 
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/721008/Russia-America-nuclear-war-Putin-Obama-bunker-fallout-shelter-Syria-Bashar-al-Assad
 
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/721008/Russia-America-nuclear-war-Putin-Obama-bunker-fallout-shelter-Syria-Bashar-al-Assad

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the Alt-Right Movement?

2016-08-27 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Pathetic. He's unable to cite a single actual lie. Just differences of opinon 
and semantics. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Fact-Check -- Top 20 Lies in Hillary's 'Alt-Right' Speech 
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/26/blue-state-blues-fact-check-top-20-lies-hillarys-alt-right-speech/
 
 
 
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/26/blue-state-blues-fact-check-top-20-lies-hillarys-alt-right-speech/
 
 Fact-Check -- Top 20 Lies in Hillary's 'Alt-Righ... 
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/26/blue-state-blues-fact-check-top-20-lies-hillarys-alt-right-speech/
 Andrew Breitbart would have been proud: on Thursday, his website became 
Hillary Clinton's number one target. Here's a fact check.


 
 View on www.breitbart.com 
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/26/blue-state-blues-fact-check-top-20-lies-hillarys-alt-right-speech/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Trump pleads ignorance as to what it means.
 

 
http://http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-claims-ignorance-on-alt-right-movement/ar-BBw4dcJ?li=AA5a8k=spartanntp
 
http://http//www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-claims-ignorance-on-alt-right-movement/ar-BBw4dcJ?li=AA5a8k=spartanntp

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the Alt-Right Movement?

2016-08-27 Thread vox_9


 Fact-Check -- Top 20 Lies in Hillary's 'Alt-Right' Speech 
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/26/blue-state-blues-fact-check-top-20-lies-hillarys-alt-right-speech/
 
 
 
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/26/blue-state-blues-fact-check-top-20-lies-hillarys-alt-right-speech/
 
 
 Fact-Check -- Top 20 Lies in Hillary's 'Alt-Righ... 
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/26/blue-state-blues-fact-check-top-20-lies-hillarys-alt-right-speech/
 Andrew Breitbart would have been proud: on Thursday, his website became 
Hillary Clinton's number one target. Here's a fact check.
 
 
 
 View on www.breitbart.com 
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/26/blue-state-blues-fact-check-top-20-lies-hillarys-alt-right-speech/
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Trump pleads ignorance as to what it means.
 

 
http://http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-claims-ignorance-on-alt-right-movement/ar-BBw4dcJ?li=AA5a8k=spartanntp
 
http://http//www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-claims-ignorance-on-alt-right-movement/ar-BBw4dcJ?li=AA5a8k=spartanntp

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the Alt-Right Movement?

2016-08-26 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Whoops, another bad link, John. 

 This is probably the same article, which MSN reprinted:
 

 
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/293408-trump-claims-ignorance-on-alt-right-movement
 
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/293408-trump-claims-ignorance-on-alt-right-movement
 

 Of course Trump "pleads ignorance." He's an ignoramus.
 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Trump pleads ignorance as to what it means.
 

 

 
http://http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-claims-ignorance-on-alt-right-movement/ar-BBw4dcJ?li=AA5a8k=spartanntp
 
http://http//www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-claims-ignorance-on-alt-right-movement/ar-BBw4dcJ?li=AA5a8k=spartanntp
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




 
 

  
 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Trump pleads ignorance as to what it means.
 

 

 
http://http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-claims-ignorance-on-alt-right-movement/ar-BBw4dcJ?li=AA5a8k=spartanntp
 
http://http//www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-claims-ignorance-on-alt-right-movement/ar-BBw4dcJ?li=AA5a8k=spartanntp

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What the mainstream media didn't cover

2016-04-14 Thread Dawn maya_moon_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Rolling Stone published an interesting article about this. 
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-thousands-of-americans-are-lining-up-to-get-arrested-in-d-c-this-week-20160413?page=4

  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 7:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What the mainstream media didn't cover
   
 You know what I mean, front page headlines.  What commentators were 
talking about it was not covered well at all by the MSM.  The NY Times is not 
on my daily news roundup list.
 
 Did you have a problem with the protest?
 
 On 04/12/2016 07:30 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
    ??? All NY Times stories have headlines. 
  
  
  
  ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :
 
  Was it in the headlines?
 
 On 04/12/2016 06:36 PM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
 
    AP and Reuters covered it; the NY Times had articles from both agencies. 
Sorry! 
  
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :
 
  Arrests made as hundreds of elderly Americans protest at 2nd ‘Democracy 
Spring’ sit-in 
 https://www.rt.com/usa/339363-democracy-spring-protest-elders-arrests/
 
 I guess it was against US fascist leaders to report it.

 
 

 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What the mainstream media didn't cover

2016-04-12 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

You know what I mean, front page headlines.  What commentators were 
talking about it was not covered well at all by the MSM.  The NY Times 
is not on my daily news roundup list.


Did you have a problem with the protest?

On 04/12/2016 07:30 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


??? All NY Times stories have headlines.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Was it in the headlines?

On 04/12/2016 06:36 PM, authfriend@...  
[FairfieldLife] wrote:



AP and Reuters covered it; the NY Times had articles from both
agencies. Sorry!




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

*Arrests made as hundreds of elderly Americans protest at 2nd
‘Democracy Spring’ sit-in*
https://www.rt.com/usa/339363-democracy-spring-protest-elders-arrests/

I guess it was against US fascist leaders to report it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What the mainstream media didn't cover

2016-04-12 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I guess you don't know what AP and Reuters are. They're news agencies. If 
either covers an important story, its report appears in hundreds of papers 
across the country. Do a Google search for the Reuters headline: 

 Police Arrest 400 at U.S. Capitol in Protest of Money in Politics
 

 And then for the AP headline:
 

 Hundreds Flock to US Capitol to Protest Money in Politics

 

 HuffPo, NPR, and CNN had their own stories. And there was a report on Voice of 
America. Probably others too; I just happened to notice these.
 

 So, your little conspiracy theory is very wrong. Live with it.
 


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ??? All NY Times stories have headlines. 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Was it in the headlines?
 
 On 04/12/2016 06:36 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   AP and Reuters covered it; the NY Times had articles from both agencies. 
Sorry!
 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Arrests made as hundreds of elderly Americans protest at 2nd ‘Democracy 
Spring’ sit-in 
 https://www.rt.com/usa/339363-democracy-spring-protest-elders-arrests/ 
https://www.rt.com/usa/339363-democracy-spring-protest-elders-arrests/
 
 I guess it was against US fascist leaders to report it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What the mainstream media didn't cover

2016-04-12 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

??? All NY Times stories have headlines. 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Was it in the headlines?
 
 On 04/12/2016 06:36 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   AP and Reuters covered it; the NY Times had articles from both agencies. 
Sorry!
 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Arrests made as hundreds of elderly Americans protest at 2nd ‘Democracy 
Spring’ sit-in 
 https://www.rt.com/usa/339363-democracy-spring-protest-elders-arrests/ 
https://www.rt.com/usa/339363-democracy-spring-protest-elders-arrests/
 
 I guess it was against US fascist leaders to report it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What the mainstream media didn't cover

2016-04-12 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]


Was it in the headlines?

On 04/12/2016 06:36 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


AP and Reuters covered it; the NY Times had articles from both 
agencies. Sorry!





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

*Arrests made as hundreds of elderly Americans protest at 2nd 
‘Democracy Spring’ sit-in*

https://www.rt.com/usa/339363-democracy-spring-protest-elders-arrests/

I guess it was against US fascist leaders to report it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What the mainstream media didn't cover

2016-04-12 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

AP and Reuters covered it; the NY Times had articles from both agencies. Sorry! 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Arrests made as hundreds of elderly Americans protest at 2nd ‘Democracy 
Spring’ sit-in 
 
https://www.rt.com/usa/339363-democracy-spring-protest-elders-arrests/https://www.rt.com/usa/339363-democracy-spring-protest-elders-arrests/
 https://www.rt.com/usa/339363-democracy-spring-protest-elders-arrests/
 
 I guess it was against US fascist leaders to report it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

2016-02-14 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Of course, nothing shall ever beat... 

 John Edwards Feeling Pretty 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q=RDlJpNSJSab04=3 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q=RDlJpNSJSab04=3 
 
 John Edwards Feeling Pretty 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q=RDlJpNSJSab04=3 John 
Edwards fixing his hair before an interview. With appropriate music.
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q=RDlJpNSJSab04=3 
 Preview by Yahoo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

2016-02-14 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

You may have a point.
 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

 The emails are such a red herring - nothing there. A witch hunt. They haven't 
turned up *anything* - if they had, it would be front page news. This is just a 
typical tactic to create F-U-D around the opposition.  

 Personally, I think the acid test should be a standard photo op by all 
candidates, both parties, with a choice of either standing upright in a tank 
turret with helmet on, or strutting about a carrier deck in a flight-suit with 
enhanced bulges. It would winnow the field in a hurry. 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 I don't know why she bothers. She's under criminal investigation by the FBI. 
Now the FBI is investigating State Department E-mails and their connection to 
the Clinton Foundation.

 
 


 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now
 
 
   The two extreme polar opposites as possibly electable candidates is a pretty 
interesting scenario for this country, reflecting as you state, the increasing 
social and economic stress of the need for change on so many levels.  Hillary 
is in the middle of this maelstrom and trying to establish herself as the 
candidate of the "middle way."   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

 I am anything but apathetic, however Trump is very much a creation of our 
design. Big Biz feels increasingly emboldened by the steady stream of successes 
they have accomplished; off-shoring jobs, wage stagnation, lowest taxes ever 
especially for the investment bankers, no minimum wage increases, off-shore 
bank accounts for tax evasion, trillion dollar bailouts with no jail time, and 
the list continues. This creation of a wealthy class essentially above the law, 
with its consequent strain on our economy, has created a tremendous amount of 
social stress as well. So the conditions are perfect for someone like Trump to 
show up, throw out a lot of simplistic ideas and slogans, and draw big crowds 
and media attention. He is getting a lot of power from people's 
dissatisfaction, and continues to tell them what they want to hear. He is a 
mirror of our social discontent.
 

 Fortunately, in addition to the fantasy offered by Trump, Bernie Sanders is 
providing the *rational response* to these very skewed economic conditions, by 
setting out some fairly simple fixes centered around all of us paying our fair 
share of taxes. Getting everyone to pay their fair share, especially those who 
employ armies of tax consultants for tax avoidance, is not a fix in and of 
itself, but it will ensure we all have equal skin in the game. Governor Kasich, 
one of the Republican candidates, said that during the GW Bush administration, 
by allowing the rich to avoid taxes and starting two wars, we blew a FIVE 
TRILLION dollar surplus. That would kind of come in handy now...
 

 So we created Trump, his power and his ugly ideas, but the same conditions 
have also created an opening for Bernie Sanders, and getting this country off 
this dysfunctional path of easy fixes up front, with devastating consequences 
later.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

 No, he is NOT!  The media fascination with such a disordered individual should 
not dictate apathy and resignation to the "The Lord of the Flies" storyline.  
He won't and can't win.  And, yes, God help us.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

 He was inevitable. He is our All American hero, and God help us.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

 I don't understand why everyone is so confounded by Trump. I sat in a lot of 
corporate meetings and men (and  women) like him are everywhere. I guess it is 
surprising to a lot of people how ugly corporate business has become, with a 
winner take all/loser gets nothing attitude, and a flood of overly macho, war 
and sports oriented rhetoric. Guys like Trump are a dime a dozen. People make 
him out to be some sort of anomaly, perhaps not wanting to believe the country 
is full of such individuals. Ooops.
 

 It is not that I haven't seen this in the business world, especially as a 
woman. But Trump goes beyond the ugly aspect of the alpha male, 
testosterone-fueled competitiveness for more than their market share and 
everyone else be damned phenomenon that happens all the time. He is running for 
office, and not just any office. He is thriving on and promoting hatred, not 
simply looking for some leg up on his business/market competitors. This is much 
bigger, this is much more odious in the sense that it goes beyond money or what 
land

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

2016-02-14 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

The emails are such a red herring - nothing there. A witch hunt. They haven't 
turned up *anything* - if they had, it would be front page news. This is just a 
typical tactic to create F-U-D around the opposition.  

 Personally, I think the acid test should be a standard photo op by all 
candidates, both parties, with a choice of either standing upright in a tank 
turret with helmet on, or strutting about a carrier deck in a flight-suit with 
enhanced bulges. It would winnow the field in a hurry. 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 I don't know why she bothers. She's under criminal investigation by the FBI. 
Now the FBI is investigating State Department E-mails and their connection to 
the Clinton Foundation.

 
 


 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now
 
 
   The two extreme polar opposites as possibly electable candidates is a pretty 
interesting scenario for this country, reflecting as you state, the increasing 
social and economic stress of the need for change on so many levels.  Hillary 
is in the middle of this maelstrom and trying to establish herself as the 
candidate of the "middle way."   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

 I am anything but apathetic, however Trump is very much a creation of our 
design. Big Biz feels increasingly emboldened by the steady stream of successes 
they have accomplished; off-shoring jobs, wage stagnation, lowest taxes ever 
especially for the investment bankers, no minimum wage increases, off-shore 
bank accounts for tax evasion, trillion dollar bailouts with no jail time, and 
the list continues. This creation of a wealthy class essentially above the law, 
with its consequent strain on our economy, has created a tremendous amount of 
social stress as well. So the conditions are perfect for someone like Trump to 
show up, throw out a lot of simplistic ideas and slogans, and draw big crowds 
and media attention. He is getting a lot of power from people's 
dissatisfaction, and continues to tell them what they want to hear. He is a 
mirror of our social discontent.
 

 Fortunately, in addition to the fantasy offered by Trump, Bernie Sanders is 
providing the *rational response* to these very skewed economic conditions, by 
setting out some fairly simple fixes centered around all of us paying our fair 
share of taxes. Getting everyone to pay their fair share, especially those who 
employ armies of tax consultants for tax avoidance, is not a fix in and of 
itself, but it will ensure we all have equal skin in the game. Governor Kasich, 
one of the Republican candidates, said that during the GW Bush administration, 
by allowing the rich to avoid taxes and starting two wars, we blew a FIVE 
TRILLION dollar surplus. That would kind of come in handy now...
 

 So we created Trump, his power and his ugly ideas, but the same conditions 
have also created an opening for Bernie Sanders, and getting this country off 
this dysfunctional path of easy fixes up front, with devastating consequences 
later.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

 No, he is NOT!  The media fascination with such a disordered individual should 
not dictate apathy and resignation to the "The Lord of the Flies" storyline.  
He won't and can't win.  And, yes, God help us.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

 He was inevitable. He is our All American hero, and God help us.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

 I don't understand why everyone is so confounded by Trump. I sat in a lot of 
corporate meetings and men (and  women) like him are everywhere. I guess it is 
surprising to a lot of people how ugly corporate business has become, with a 
winner take all/loser gets nothing attitude, and a flood of overly macho, war 
and sports oriented rhetoric. Guys like Trump are a dime a dozen. People make 
him out to be some sort of anomaly, perhaps not wanting to believe the country 
is full of such individuals. Ooops.
 

 It is not that I haven't seen this in the business world, especially as a 
woman. But Trump goes beyond the ugly aspect of the alpha male, 
testosterone-fueled competitiveness for more than their market share and 
everyone else be damned phenomenon that happens all the time. He is running for 
office, and not just any office. He is thriving on and promoting hatred, not 
simply looking for some leg up on his business/market competitors. This is much 
bigger, this is much more odious in the sense that it goes beyond money or what 
land gets developed for another Target store. Trump is insatiable. He has 
already proven himself in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

2016-02-14 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Ollie, I agree that it's a witch hunt, but let's keep the facts straight: What 
they've found *has* been very much front-page news, many times so far. The 
media love witch hunts, and they've never been big Hillary fans. 

 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The emails are such a red herring - nothing there. A witch hunt. They haven't 
turned up *anything* - if they had, it would be front page news. This is just a 
typical tactic to create F-U-D around the opposition.  

 Personally, I think the acid test should be a standard photo op by all 
candidates, both parties, with a choice of either standing upright in a tank 
turret with helmet on, or strutting about a carrier deck in a flight-suit with 
enhanced bulges. It would winnow the field in a hurry. 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't know why she bothers. She's under criminal investigation by the FBI. 
Now the FBI is investigating State Department E-mails and their connection to 
the Clinton Foundation.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What I Saw today

2016-02-14 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Yes your *neck of the woods * is loaded with Bald Eagles. Here, I never saw one 
in my life until a few years ago. Now, I'm starting to see them within a few 
minutes of house, a few times a year. There are supposed to be some nesting 
pairs not far from me on a lake.



  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 10:17 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What I Saw today
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

I took the falcon flying today and saw a beautiful mature Bald Eagle fly over 
the road in front of my car this afternoon.
Nice. We are surrounded by them. They sit in the trees and make this great 
sound and frequently fly over my riding ring. We also have so many hawks and 
turkey vultures as well as blue herons and many barred owls in the neighborhood.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

2016-02-13 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yep, this nails it pretty well.  He's in it for the *win* and increasingly 
seems to believe his own narrative.  He's completely insane.  
 

 Yes he is and those who find him to be their 'answer' are blind and committed 
to repeating history within 70 years of WWII with all its atrocities and 
brutalities brought on by Hitler and his henchmen. I don't get it, not at all. 
What a stink, what hate lies within the crevices of American society and Trump 
is someone so full of the same that he has appealed to those who want an excuse 
to let all of this pus, this rottenness come to the surface. But, this is no 
purification process, this is becoming a mob scene where the worst of what 
makes up human's baser characteristics is taking over. I am becoming more 
horrified by the day.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
http://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-the-most-dangerous-face-in-the-republican-crowd/
 
http://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-the-most-dangerous-face-in-the-republican-crowd/

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

2016-02-13 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Yep, this nails it pretty well. He's in it for the *win* and increasingly
seems to believe his own narrative. He's completely insane.

Yes he is and those who find him to be their 'answer' are blind and committed
to repeating history within 70 years of WWII with all its atrocities and
brutalities brought on by Hitler and his henchmen. I don't get it, not at all.
What a stink, what hate lies within the crevices of American society and Trump
is someone so full of the same that he has appealed to those who want an excuse
to let all of this pus, this rottenness come to the surface. But, this is no
purification process, this is becoming a mob scene where the worst of what
makes up human's baser characteristics is taking over. I am becoming more
horrified by the day.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-the-most-dangerous-face-in-the-republican-crowd/

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

2016-02-13 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Far from being an anomaly, Trump simply represents the next step. After
manipulating the laws of the country in favor of Big Business, the next step
for Big Business is to cut out the middleman, in this case, the US Government,
who's function it is to protect our rights and freedoms, but who is seen as the
ultimate evil by the greedy ones. Once again, "demonic" comes to mind.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Yep, this nails it pretty well. He's in it for the *win* and increasingly
seems to believe his own narrative. He's completely insane.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-the-most-dangerous-face-in-the-republican-crowd/

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

2016-02-13 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

It is not that I haven't seen this in the business world, especially as a
woman. But Trump goes beyond the ugly aspect of the alpha male,
testosterone-fueled competitiveness for more than their market share and
everyone else be damned phenomenon that happens all the time. He is running for
office, and not just any office. He is thriving on and promoting hatred, not
simply looking for some leg up on his business/market competitors. This is much
bigger, this is much more odious in the sense that it goes beyond money or what
land gets developed for another Target store. Trump is insatiable. He has
already proven himself in the business world, for better or for worse, and now
he is going after the Presidency? What for? Well, evidently because he is power
mad. He is linked into some power buzz and he is beyond rehabilitation. He can
not help or stop himself no matter what the cost. I can only hope that where
there is darkness there will be a responding light. Where there is depravity
then a opportunity for goodness and love will open up. I am not so much
confounded by Trump but by how many support him. There are plenty of horrific
humans on the planet but I never dreamed so many people would revel in one as
dreadful as him.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Yep, this nails it pretty well. He's in it for the *win* and increasingly
seems to believe his own narrative. He's completely insane.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-the-most-dangerous-face-in-the-republican-crowd/

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

2016-02-13 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

He was inevitable. He is our All American hero, and God help us.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Yep, this nails it pretty well. He's in it for the *win* and increasingly
seems to believe his own narrative. He's completely insane.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-the-most-dangerous-face-in-the-republican-crowd/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

2016-02-13 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Obama created Trump. Trump would be no where if people weren't dispirit for
jobs and government to be off of their backs. For every action, there is a
corresponding and equal reaction.Trump is the natural reaction to Obama's
policies. You noticed Trump was going nowhere until the illegal immigration
issue came up. Trump got traction when he stood up to the Obama policies that
have basically opened the doors for illegal migrants. Trump countered with a
big beautiful Trump wall that the Mexicans are going to pay for.
Call him mean spirited, evil, a devil all you want. Just remember, Obama
created him.

From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 10:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

I don't understand why everyone is so confounded by Trump. I sat in a lot of
corporate meetings and men (and women) like him are everywhere. I guess it is
surprising to a lot of people how ugly corporate business has become, with a
winner take all/loser gets nothing attitude, and a flood of overly macho, war
and sports oriented rhetoric. Guys like Trump are a dime a dozen. People make
him out to be some sort of anomaly, perhaps not wanting to believe the country
is full of such individuals. Ooops.
It is not that I haven't seen this in the business world, especially as a
woman. But Trump goes beyond the ugly aspect of the alpha male,
testosterone-fueled competitiveness for more than their market share and
everyone else be damned phenomenon that happens all the time. He is running for
office, and not just any office. He is thriving on and promoting hatred, not
simply looking for some leg up on his business/market competitors. This is much
bigger, this is much more odious in the sense that it goes beyond money or what
land gets developed for another Target store. Trump is insatiable. He has
already proven himself in the business world, for better or for worse, and now
he is going after the Presidency? What for? Well, evidently because he is power
mad. He is linked into some power buzz and he is beyond rehabilitation. He can
not help or stop himself no matter what the cost. I can only hope that where
there is darkness there will be a responding light. Where there is depravity
then a opportunity for goodness and love will open up. I am not so much
confounded by Trump but by how many support him. There are plenty of horrific
humans on the planet but I never dreamed so many people would revel in one as
dreadful as him.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

Yep, this nails it pretty well. He's in it for the *win* and increasingly
seems to believe his own narrative. He's completely insane.
Yes he is and those who find him to be their 'answer' are blind and committed
to repeating history within 70 years of WWII with all its atrocities and
brutalities brought on by Hitler and his henchmen. I don't get it, not at all.
What a stink, what hate lies within the crevices of American society and Trump
is someone so full of the same that he has appealed to those who want an excuse
to let all of this pus, this rottenness come to the surface. But, this is no
purification process, this is becoming a mob scene where the worst of what
makes up human's baser characteristics is taking over. I am becoming more
horrified by the day.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

http://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-the-most-dangerous-face-in-the-republican-crowd/
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[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

2016-02-13 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

No, he is NOT! The media fascination with such a disordered individual should
not dictate apathy and resignation to the "The Lord of the Flies" storyline.
He won't and can't win. And, yes, God help us.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

He was inevitable. He is our All American hero, and God help us.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Yep, this nails it pretty well. He's in it for the *win* and increasingly
seems to believe his own narrative. He's completely insane.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-the-most-dangerous-face-in-the-republican-crowd/

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

2016-02-13 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Whose next step? You sound depressed. Don't buy into the BS. We as a country
have a choice!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Yep, this nails it pretty well. He's in it for the *win* and increasingly
seems to believe his own narrative. He's completely insane.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-the-most-dangerous-face-in-the-republican-crowd/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

2016-02-13 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Mike, you are sounding more and more disconnected from reality. Just FYI. :)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

Call him mean spirited, evil, a devil all you want. Just remember, Obama
created him.

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 10:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

Yep, this nails it pretty well. He's in it for the *win* and increasingly
seems to believe his own narrative. He's completely insane.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

http://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-the-most-dangerous-face-in-the-republican-crowd/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

2016-02-13 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Emily... that's called *denial*.

From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

Mike, you are sounding more and more disconnected from reality. Just FYI.
:)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

http://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-the-most-dangerous-face-in-the-republican-crowd/

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

2016-02-13 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

On 02/13/2016 07:33 AM, olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

I don't understand why everyone is so confounded by Trump. I sat in a
lot of corporate meetings and men (and women) like him are everywhere.

We called them "frat rats" back in the day. They're are the pedigreed
who have the connections and are groomed to run companies. They have
the mindset of a salesman. I had a CEO once ask me before a company
meeting "is Compuserve the Internet"? Mind you this was the mid 1990s
and he had been in software for almost 10 years and didn't know the
difference.

What I observed is how "brute force" these people operate and forge
ahead blindly. Sometimes this works and sometimes it doesn't. Many
bought into the business school rage of "acquisitions" which cost many
people their jobs because when you acquire a company you lay off
divisions that duplicate what you already have.

Good example of blindly forging ahead and blundering would be telecom
execs like Randall Stephenson probably talking up the profits that ATT
would make off their IPTV when trends changed and people started cable
cutting. First reaction was to punish cutters by throttling them which
is technically illegal because you've paid for a service that is
supposed to provide you with a certain bitrate. So then ATT buys
DirecTV and is try to wean IPTV customers off so they can use those IPTV
pipes for cord cutters. :-D

I guess it is surprising to a lot of people how ugly corporate
business has become, with a winner take all/loser gets nothing
attitude, and a flood of overly macho, war and sports oriented
rhetoric. Guys like Trump are a dime a dozen. People make him out to
be some sort of anomaly, perhaps not wanting to believe the country is
full of such individuals. Ooops.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Yep, this nails it pretty well. He's in it for the *win* and
increasingly seems to believe his own narrative. He's completely insane.

Yes he is and those who find him to be their 'answer' are blind and
committed to repeating history within 70 years of WWII with all its
atrocities and brutalities brought on by Hitler and his henchmen. I
don't get it, not at all. What a stink, what hate lies within the
crevices of American society and Trump is someone so full of the same
that he has appealed to those who want an excuse to let all of this
pus, this rottenness come to the surface. But, this is no purification
process, this is becoming a mob scene where the worst of what makes up
human's baser characteristics is taking over. I am becoming more
horrified by the day.

---In FairfieldLi! f...@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-the-most-dangerous-face-in-the-republican-crowd/

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

2016-02-13 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I am anything but apathetic, however Trump is very much a creation of our 
design. Big Biz feels increasingly emboldened by the steady stream of successes 
they have accomplished; off-shoring jobs, wage stagnation, lowest taxes ever 
especially for the investment bankers, no minimum wage increases, off-shore 
bank accounts for tax evasion, trillion dollar bailouts with no jail time, and 
the list continues. This creation of a wealthy class essentially above the law, 
with its consequent strain on our economy, has created a tremendous amount of 
social stress as well. So the conditions are perfect for someone like Trump to 
show up, throw out a lot of simplistic ideas and slogans, and draw big crowds 
and media attention. He is getting a lot of power from people's 
dissatisfaction, and continues to tell them what they want to hear. He is a 
mirror of our social discontent.
 

 Fortunately, in addition to the fantasy offered by Trump, Bernie Sanders is 
providing the *rational response* to these very skewed economic conditions, by 
setting out some fairly simple fixes centered around all of us paying our fair 
share of taxes. Getting everyone to pay their fair share, especially those who 
employ armies of tax consultants for tax avoidance, is not a fix in and of 
itself, but it will ensure we all have equal skin in the game. Governor Kasich, 
one of the Republican candidates, said that during the GW Bush administration, 
by allowing the rich to avoid taxes and starting two wars, we blew a FIVE 
TRILLION dollar surplus. That would kind of come in handy now...
 

 So we created Trump, his power and his ugly ideas, but the same conditions 
have also created an opening for Bernie Sanders, and getting this country off 
this dysfunctional path of easy fixes up front, with devastating consequences 
later.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, he is NOT!  The media fascination with such a disordered individual should 
not dictate apathy and resignation to the "The Lord of the Flies" storyline.  
He won't and can't win.  And, yes, God help us.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 He was inevitable. He is our All American hero, and God help us.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't understand why everyone is so confounded by Trump. I sat in a lot of 
corporate meetings and men (and  women) like him are everywhere. I guess it is 
surprising to a lot of people how ugly corporate business has become, with a 
winner take all/loser gets nothing attitude, and a flood of overly macho, war 
and sports oriented rhetoric. Guys like Trump are a dime a dozen. People make 
him out to be some sort of anomaly, perhaps not wanting to believe the country 
is full of such individuals. Ooops.
 

 It is not that I haven't seen this in the business world, especially as a 
woman. But Trump goes beyond the ugly aspect of the alpha male, 
testosterone-fueled competitiveness for more than their market share and 
everyone else be damned phenomenon that happens all the time. He is running for 
office, and not just any office. He is thriving on and promoting hatred, not 
simply looking for some leg up on his business/market competitors. This is much 
bigger, this is much more odious in the sense that it goes beyond money or what 
land gets developed for another Target store. Trump is insatiable. He has 
already proven himself in the business world, for better or for worse, and now 
he is going after the Presidency? What for? Well, evidently because he is power 
mad. He is linked into some power buzz and he is beyond rehabilitation. He can 
not help or stop himself no matter what the cost. I can only hope that where 
there is darkness there will be a responding light. Where there is depravity 
then a opportunity for goodness and love will open up. I am not so much 
confounded by Trump but by how many support him. There are plenty of horrific 
humans on the planet but I never dreamed so many people would revel in one as 
dreadful as him.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yep, this nails it pretty well.  He's in it for the *win* and increasingly 
seems to believe his own narrative.  He's completely insane.  
 

 Yes he is and those who find him to be their 'answer' are blind and committed 
to repeating history within 70 years of WWII with all its atrocities and 
brutalities brought on by Hitler and his henchmen. I don't get it, not at all. 
What a stink, what hate lies within the crevices of American society and Trump 
is someone so full of the same that he has appealed to those who want an excuse 
to let all of this pus, this rottenness come to the surface. But, this is no 
purification process, this is becoming a mob scene where the worst of what 
makes up human's baser

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Going on Right Now

2016-02-13 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Yes, and in the very same way, GW Bush, by nearly destroying the economy and
wrecking our global relationships, created Barack Obama, in addition to
destroying any hopes his sad sack brother may have for the current nomination.
Funny how that works...