Re: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping
pls keep us posted. When I had to recatch my feral Frankie after he got out once, I placed tuna in a carrier and he went right in and I closed the doorjust an idea. - Original Message - From: Christiane Biagi To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: RE: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping I had to come back to NY today but my father is continuing to try to trap. She does come when he calls and follows him around-BUT she still won't go in the trap. We rigged the trap so it won't spring put some inside near the entrance-she did eat some of that. He wants to try that for a couple of days before setting the trap again. keep fingers crossed.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Chris, I am assuming no luck? - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Last night mom and kitty were waiting and followed my dad to our door to get food. I know they were hungry! I managed to trap the little Munchkin who turns out is a girl. I got her to an e-vet at 10 PM and they tested her and put her in the big dog kennel for me. She's now sitting there sort of looking at all of us. Of course she's lying in the litter box. I think she ate a little of the food but basically she's just scared. I put her up high as she knows my father and he can't crawl around on the floor to talk to her. I should be bringing her to shelter later today. I reset the trap for mom-oh how I hope she isn't too spooked to go in there. I put in some heated dark tuna and smeared a little on the newspaper I lined the bottom of the trap with. I know she's hungry. She's been known to catch birds but she's not really good at it. So now I wait. Munchkin the little one, tested neg for FELV/FIV so I'm hoping that's a good sign for mom. I hate it so that shelter required this-its just sooo unnecessary! Many thanks for all the helpful advice. It really gave me some courage to keep trying. I just felt so over my head on this.I will keep you posted. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Trap with water and canned food in the trap. They will be fine overnight. Cover with a towel and place the trap in a quiet, dark, safe INSIDE place until you can get to vet. Most important thing is to keep them safe until they can get to vet. Trying to transfer is not safe. I always took the trapped cat directly to the vet in the trap (covered and placed in plastic in my vehicle). I always trapped in the AM so I could get them right to the vet. That's better, if you can do that, depending on your schedule and theirs. I set 2 traps at once and that sped things up. Good luck, L - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... Is there any 'trick' to transferring from trap to large dog kennel? If for example, I trapped one tonight, I'd have to keep her overnight before I could go anywhere and I don't want to leave the cat in the trap all night with no food, water or litter box.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... This is some good trapping advice. http://tinyurl.com/32zpor Also try Alley Cat Allies. On Jan 8, 2008 6:13 PM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would leave the kitty in the trap. Try mackerel..the cats around here can't resist it. Although I wouldn't say these are untrappable, here is some good trapping advice from BF: http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=475g=3042316787ce4a6e8eb13f7e1c31758d On Jan 8, 2008 5:59 PM, Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I would still take the kitty to the vet who does the test in the trap. The vet
Re: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping
can you get them to start putting out food in the AM too? That's what I did. Fed twice a day. - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:40 PM Subject: RE: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Well the problem is that primary feeding time is early evening just as it gets dark. If she gets trapped after dark, I know my parents won't be able to drive her to e-vet until the morning. She is in a safe place where the trap is set but he could also bring her inside to the bathroom if need be. It's a difficult situation for them and I wish there was someone available to take her to vet at night but couldn't find anyone Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of janine paton Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Good source of information is yahoo groups - Feral_cats. For hard-to-trap cats, I bungee cord the trap open to get them used to the concept. It's just a little patience and most importantly, calmness. Act as if the bungeed-open trap is nothing more than a big dish to put food in. I didn't read all of the emails, but don't leave a set trap unattended. Get the cat on a schedule, feed her in a trap not really set, and when she relaxes and goes all the way in, make the app't and set the trap for real, staying around the corner with eyes and ears open so she can be covered up completely with a sheet and either brought straight to a vet, or brought inside somewhere safe, again covered up, until the next morning. --- Christiane Biagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to come back to NY today but my father is continuing to try to trap. She does come when he calls and follows him around-BUT she still won't go in the trap. We rigged the trap so it won't spring put some inside near the entrance-she did eat some of that. He wants to try that for a couple of days before setting the trap again. keep fingers crossed.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Chris, I am assuming no luck? - Original Message - From: Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Last night mom and kitty were waiting and followed my dad to our door to get food. I know they were hungry! I managed to trap the little Munchkin who turns out is a girl. I got her to an e-vet at 10 PM and they tested her and put her in the big dog kennel for me. She's now sitting there sort of looking at all of us. Of course she's lying in the litter box. I think she ate a little of the food but basically she's just scared. I put her up high as she knows my father and he can't crawl around on the floor to talk to her. I should be bringing her to shelter later today. I reset the trap for mom-oh how I hope she isn't too spooked to go in there. I put in some heated dark tuna and smeared a little on the newspaper I lined the bottom of the trap with. I know she's hungry. She's been known to catch birds but she's not really good at it. So now I wait. Munchkin the little one, tested neg for FELV/FIV so I'm hoping that's a good sign for mom. I hate it so that shelter required this-its just sooo unnecessary! Many thanks for all the helpful advice. It really gave me some courage to keep trying. I just felt so over my head on this.I will keep you posted. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Trap with water and canned food in the trap. They will be fine overnight. Cover with a towel and place the trap in a quiet, dark, safe INSIDE place until you can get to vet. Most important thing is to keep them safe until they can get to vet. Trying to transfer is not safe. I always took the trapped cat directly to the vet in the trap (covered and placed in plastic in my vehicle). I always trapped in the AM so I could get them right to the vet. That's better, if you can do that, depending on your schedule and theirs. I set 2 traps at once and that sped things up. Good luck, L - Original Message - From: Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: RE: Advice
Re: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping
Chris, I am assuming no luck? - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Last night mom and kitty were waiting and followed my dad to our door to get food. I know they were hungry! I managed to trap the little Munchkin who turns out is a girl. I got her to an e-vet at 10 PM and they tested her and put her in the big dog kennel for me. She's now sitting there sort of looking at all of us. Of course she's lying in the litter box. I think she ate a little of the food but basically she's just scared. I put her up high as she knows my father and he can't crawl around on the floor to talk to her. I should be bringing her to shelter later today. I reset the trap for mom-oh how I hope she isn't too spooked to go in there. I put in some heated dark tuna and smeared a little on the newspaper I lined the bottom of the trap with. I know she's hungry. She's been known to catch birds but she's not really good at it. So now I wait. Munchkin the little one, tested neg for FELV/FIV so I'm hoping that's a good sign for mom. I hate it so that shelter required this-its just sooo unnecessary! Many thanks for all the helpful advice. It really gave me some courage to keep trying. I just felt so over my head on this.I will keep you posted. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Trap with water and canned food in the trap. They will be fine overnight. Cover with a towel and place the trap in a quiet, dark, safe INSIDE place until you can get to vet. Most important thing is to keep them safe until they can get to vet. Trying to transfer is not safe. I always took the trapped cat directly to the vet in the trap (covered and placed in plastic in my vehicle). I always trapped in the AM so I could get them right to the vet. That's better, if you can do that, depending on your schedule and theirs. I set 2 traps at once and that sped things up. Good luck, L - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... Is there any 'trick' to transferring from trap to large dog kennel? If for example, I trapped one tonight, I'd have to keep her overnight before I could go anywhere and I don't want to leave the cat in the trap all night with no food, water or litter box.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... This is some good trapping advice. http://tinyurl.com/32zpor Also try Alley Cat Allies. On Jan 8, 2008 6:13 PM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would leave the kitty in the trap. Try mackerel..the cats around here can't resist it. Although I wouldn't say these are untrappable, here is some good trapping advice from BF: http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=475g=3042316787ce4a6e8eb13f7e1c31758d On Jan 8, 2008 5:59 PM, Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I would still take the kitty to the vet who does the test in the trap. The vet people can deal with that better than you or I. - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... Just got some dark tuna and will try that. Problem is that shelter won't take them unless I have FELV test done-I didn't argue thought it makes my blood boil. Sooo, I have to find someone to do the test and that may require overnight.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Kachur Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one
RE: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping
Good source of information is yahoo groups - Feral_cats. For hard-to-trap cats, I bungee cord the trap open to get them used to the concept. It's just a little patience and most importantly, calmness. Act as if the bungeed-open trap is nothing more than a big dish to put food in. I didn't read all of the emails, but don't leave a set trap unattended. Get the cat on a schedule, feed her in a trap not really set, and when she relaxes and goes all the way in, make the app't and set the trap for real, staying around the corner with eyes and ears open so she can be covered up completely with a sheet and either brought straight to a vet, or brought inside somewhere safe, again covered up, until the next morning. --- Christiane Biagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to come back to NY today but my father is continuing to try to trap. She does come when he calls and follows him around-BUT she still won't go in the trap. We rigged the trap so it won't spring put some inside near the entrance-she did eat some of that. He wants to try that for a couple of days before setting the trap again. keep fingers crossed.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Chris, I am assuming no luck? - Original Message - From: Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Last night mom and kitty were waiting and followed my dad to our door to get food. I know they were hungry! I managed to trap the little Munchkin who turns out is a girl. I got her to an e-vet at 10 PM and they tested her and put her in the big dog kennel for me. She's now sitting there sort of looking at all of us. Of course she's lying in the litter box. I think she ate a little of the food but basically she's just scared. I put her up high as she knows my father and he can't crawl around on the floor to talk to her. I should be bringing her to shelter later today. I reset the trap for mom-oh how I hope she isn't too spooked to go in there. I put in some heated dark tuna and smeared a little on the newspaper I lined the bottom of the trap with. I know she's hungry. She's been known to catch birds but she's not really good at it. So now I wait. Munchkin the little one, tested neg for FELV/FIV so I'm hoping that's a good sign for mom. I hate it so that shelter required this-its just sooo unnecessary! Many thanks for all the helpful advice. It really gave me some courage to keep trying. I just felt so over my head on this.I will keep you posted. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Trap with water and canned food in the trap. They will be fine overnight. Cover with a towel and place the trap in a quiet, dark, safe INSIDE place until you can get to vet. Most important thing is to keep them safe until they can get to vet. Trying to transfer is not safe. I always took the trapped cat directly to the vet in the trap (covered and placed in plastic in my vehicle). I always trapped in the AM so I could get them right to the vet. That's better, if you can do that, depending on your schedule and theirs. I set 2 traps at once and that sped things up. Good luck, L - Original Message - From: Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... Is there any 'trick' to transferring from trap to large dog kennel? If for example, I trapped one tonight, I'd have to keep her overnight before I could go anywhere and I don't want to leave the cat in the trap all night with no food, water or litter box.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... This is some good trapping advice. http://tinyurl.com/32zpor Also try Alley Cat Allies. On Jan 8, 2008 6:13 PM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would leave the kitty in the trap. Try mackerel..the cats around here can't resist it. Although I wouldn't say these are untrappable
RE: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping
Well the problem is that primary feeding time is early evening just as it gets dark. If she gets trapped after dark, I know my parents won't be able to drive her to e-vet until the morning. She is in a safe place where the trap is set but he could also bring her inside to the bathroom if need be. It's a difficult situation for them and I wish there was someone available to take her to vet at night but couldn't find anyone Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of janine paton Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Good source of information is yahoo groups - Feral_cats. For hard-to-trap cats, I bungee cord the trap open to get them used to the concept. It's just a little patience and most importantly, calmness. Act as if the bungeed-open trap is nothing more than a big dish to put food in. I didn't read all of the emails, but don't leave a set trap unattended. Get the cat on a schedule, feed her in a trap not really set, and when she relaxes and goes all the way in, make the app't and set the trap for real, staying around the corner with eyes and ears open so she can be covered up completely with a sheet and either brought straight to a vet, or brought inside somewhere safe, again covered up, until the next morning. --- Christiane Biagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to come back to NY today but my father is continuing to try to trap. She does come when he calls and follows him around-BUT she still won't go in the trap. We rigged the trap so it won't spring put some inside near the entrance-she did eat some of that. He wants to try that for a couple of days before setting the trap again. keep fingers crossed.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Chris, I am assuming no luck? - Original Message - From: Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Last night mom and kitty were waiting and followed my dad to our door to get food. I know they were hungry! I managed to trap the little Munchkin who turns out is a girl. I got her to an e-vet at 10 PM and they tested her and put her in the big dog kennel for me. She's now sitting there sort of looking at all of us. Of course she's lying in the litter box. I think she ate a little of the food but basically she's just scared. I put her up high as she knows my father and he can't crawl around on the floor to talk to her. I should be bringing her to shelter later today. I reset the trap for mom-oh how I hope she isn't too spooked to go in there. I put in some heated dark tuna and smeared a little on the newspaper I lined the bottom of the trap with. I know she's hungry. She's been known to catch birds but she's not really good at it. So now I wait. Munchkin the little one, tested neg for FELV/FIV so I'm hoping that's a good sign for mom. I hate it so that shelter required this-its just sooo unnecessary! Many thanks for all the helpful advice. It really gave me some courage to keep trying. I just felt so over my head on this.I will keep you posted. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Trap with water and canned food in the trap. They will be fine overnight. Cover with a towel and place the trap in a quiet, dark, safe INSIDE place until you can get to vet. Most important thing is to keep them safe until they can get to vet. Trying to transfer is not safe. I always took the trapped cat directly to the vet in the trap (covered and placed in plastic in my vehicle). I always trapped in the AM so I could get them right to the vet. That's better, if you can do that, depending on your schedule and theirs. I set 2 traps at once and that sped things up. Good luck, L - Original Message - From: Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... Is there any 'trick' to transferring from trap to large dog kennel? If for example, I trapped one tonight, I'd have to keep
RE: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping
That's fine! If she gets trapped, she can be brought inside until the morning. If covered completely with a sheet, and put somewhere quiet without people looking at her, she will be fine until morning. My concern is leaving a trap set and not attended overnight. 2 reasons why not to do this - another animal, cat or otherwise, may walk into the trap. Not only is this animal traumitized for no reason, but what if your cat is watching? She's not too likely to want to step into that trap after watching and hearing a panicked animal. 2nd reason is if you get the cat you want, she may react very badly to being in a trap all night, outside, where she knows she is very vulnerable. I used to hate trapping at night and holding til the morning, but when it's all over, they are so much better off, and an overnight stay in a covred trap is just a blip in a hopefully long, healty, happy life. --- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well the problem is that primary feeding time is early evening just as it gets dark. If she gets trapped after dark, I know my parents won't be able to drive her to e-vet until the morning. She is in a safe place where the trap is set but he could also bring her inside to the bathroom if need be. It's a difficult situation for them and I wish there was someone available to take her to vet at night but couldn't find anyone Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of janine paton Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Good source of information is yahoo groups - Feral_cats. For hard-to-trap cats, I bungee cord the trap open to get them used to the concept. It's just a little patience and most importantly, calmness. Act as if the bungeed-open trap is nothing more than a big dish to put food in. I didn't read all of the emails, but don't leave a set trap unattended. Get the cat on a schedule, feed her in a trap not really set, and when she relaxes and goes all the way in, make the app't and set the trap for real, staying around the corner with eyes and ears open so she can be covered up completely with a sheet and either brought straight to a vet, or brought inside somewhere safe, again covered up, until the next morning. --- Christiane Biagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to come back to NY today but my father is continuing to try to trap. She does come when he calls and follows him around-BUT she still won't go in the trap. We rigged the trap so it won't spring put some inside near the entrance-she did eat some of that. He wants to try that for a couple of days before setting the trap again. keep fingers crossed.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Chris, I am assuming no luck? - Original Message - From: Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Last night mom and kitty were waiting and followed my dad to our door to get food. I know they were hungry! I managed to trap the little Munchkin who turns out is a girl. I got her to an e-vet at 10 PM and they tested her and put her in the big dog kennel for me. She's now sitting there sort of looking at all of us. Of course she's lying in the litter box. I think she ate a little of the food but basically she's just scared. I put her up high as she knows my father and he can't crawl around on the floor to talk to her. I should be bringing her to shelter later today. I reset the trap for mom-oh how I hope she isn't too spooked to go in there. I put in some heated dark tuna and smeared a little on the newspaper I lined the bottom of the trap with. I know she's hungry. She's been known to catch birds but she's not really good at it. So now I wait. Munchkin the little one, tested neg for FELV/FIV so I'm hoping that's a good sign for mom. I hate it so that shelter required this-its just sooo unnecessary! Many thanks for all the helpful advice. It really gave me some courage to keep trying. I just felt so over my head on this.I will keep you posted. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto
PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping
Last night mom and kitty were waiting and followed my dad to our door to get food. I know they were hungry! I managed to trap the little Munchkin who turns out is a girl. I got her to an e-vet at 10 PM and they tested her and put her in the big dog kennel for me. She's now sitting there sort of looking at all of us. Of course she's lying in the litter box. I think she ate a little of the food but basically she's just scared. I put her up high as she knows my father and he can't crawl around on the floor to talk to her. I should be bringing her to shelter later today. I reset the trap for mom-oh how I hope she isn't too spooked to go in there. I put in some heated dark tuna and smeared a little on the newspaper I lined the bottom of the trap with. I know she's hungry. She's been known to catch birds but she's not really good at it. So now I wait. Munchkin the little one, tested neg for FELV/FIV so I'm hoping that's a good sign for mom. I hate it so that shelter required this-its just sooo unnecessary! Many thanks for all the helpful advice. It really gave me some courage to keep trying. I just felt so over my head on this.I will keep you posted. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Trap with water and canned food in the trap. They will be fine overnight. Cover with a towel and place the trap in a quiet, dark, safe INSIDE place until you can get to vet. Most important thing is to keep them safe until they can get to vet. Trying to transfer is not safe. I always took the trapped cat directly to the vet in the trap (covered and placed in plastic in my vehicle). I always trapped in the AM so I could get them right to the vet. That's better, if you can do that, depending on your schedule and theirs. I set 2 traps at once and that sped things up. Good luck, L - Original Message - From: Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... Is there any 'trick' to transferring from trap to large dog kennel? If for example, I trapped one tonight, I'd have to keep her overnight before I could go anywhere and I don't want to leave the cat in the trap all night with no food, water or litter box.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... This is some good trapping advice. http://tinyurl.com/32zpor Also try Alley Cat Allies. On Jan 8, 2008 6:13 PM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would leave the kitty in the trap. Try mackerel..the cats around here can't resist it. Although I wouldn't say these are untrappable, here is some good trapping advice from BF: http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=475 http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=475g=3042316787ce4a6e8e b13f7e1c31758d g=3042316787ce4a6e8eb13f7e1c31758d On Jan 8, 2008 5:59 PM, Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I would still take the kitty to the vet who does the test in the trap. The vet people can deal with that better than you or I. - Original Message - From: Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... Just got some dark tuna and will try that. Problem is that shelter won't take them unless I have FELV test done-I didn't argue thought it makes my blood boil. Sooo, I have to find someone to do the test and that may require overnight.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Kachur Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just don't know it yet!! +:) - Original Message - From: Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
Re: PARTIAL SUCCESS! getting mama
Great news! If you can't get mama, it was suggested to us that we put a kitten in carrier next to trap or tape kitten meowing and place tape recorder in or near trap. We did not try this. It took me 4 days to get the last of a litter of kittens after I trapped his mama nd 2 littermates...excrutiating but worth the effort. L
Re: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping
Great news!! Congratulations. - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Last night mom and kitty were waiting and followed my dad to our door to get food. I know they were hungry! I managed to trap the little Munchkin who turns out is a girl. I got her to an e-vet at 10 PM and they tested her and put her in the big dog kennel for me. She's now sitting there sort of looking at all of us. Of course she's lying in the litter box. I think she ate a little of the food but basically she's just scared. I put her up high as she knows my father and he can't crawl around on the floor to talk to her. I should be bringing her to shelter later today. I reset the trap for mom-oh how I hope she isn't too spooked to go in there. I put in some heated dark tuna and smeared a little on the newspaper I lined the bottom of the trap with. I know she's hungry. She's been known to catch birds but she's not really good at it. So now I wait. Munchkin the little one, tested neg for FELV/FIV so I'm hoping that's a good sign for mom. I hate it so that shelter required this-its just sooo unnecessary! Many thanks for all the helpful advice. It really gave me some courage to keep trying. I just felt so over my head on this.I will keep you posted. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping...night v day trapping Trap with water and canned food in the trap. They will be fine overnight. Cover with a towel and place the trap in a quiet, dark, safe INSIDE place until you can get to vet. Most important thing is to keep them safe until they can get to vet. Trying to transfer is not safe. I always took the trapped cat directly to the vet in the trap (covered and placed in plastic in my vehicle). I always trapped in the AM so I could get them right to the vet. That's better, if you can do that, depending on your schedule and theirs. I set 2 traps at once and that sped things up. Good luck, L - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... Is there any 'trick' to transferring from trap to large dog kennel? If for example, I trapped one tonight, I'd have to keep her overnight before I could go anywhere and I don't want to leave the cat in the trap all night with no food, water or litter box.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... This is some good trapping advice. http://tinyurl.com/32zpor Also try Alley Cat Allies. On Jan 8, 2008 6:13 PM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would leave the kitty in the trap. Try mackerel..the cats around here can't resist it. Although I wouldn't say these are untrappable, here is some good trapping advice from BF: http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=475g=3042316787ce4a6e8eb13f7e1c31758d On Jan 8, 2008 5:59 PM, Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I would still take the kitty to the vet who does the test in the trap. The vet people can deal with that better than you or I. - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... Just got some dark tuna and will try that. Problem is that shelter won't take them unless I have FELV test done-I didn't argue thought it makes my blood boil. Sooo, I have to find someone to do the test and that may require overnight.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Kachur Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one
Re: Success with Rescue Cat- cat jackets
I must have missed some posts because I don't understand how these 'jackets' work tonya Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well done, Caroline. You and your mother must be both saddened and relieved at once. I'm sure you will miss her, but knowing that she is going home to a place where she is loved is a consolation. For 2 to 3 cat households, jackets are a great way to allow cats outdoors to roam around with relative safety. It really has changed all our lives. MeMe can spend hours on end hunting bugs or watching the bird bath and I no longer have the guilt of keeping her in, or the anxiety of worrying about where she is. She goes in and out a dozen times a day. I've begun putting her coat on in the morning and taking it off at night. On Aug 22, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: No, I don't think they have the animal cruelty issue like we do. You have to remember that England's version of police officers don't even carry guns!!! Because they so rarely have any violent crime! An animal cruelty is a violent crime. I have always taken all my cats out on leashes, and now, harnesses. And I moved to the house I live in now a year ago, pretty much for Monkee. So that he could have a front, screened in and enclosed porch...which he worshiped. I moved there last August, not knowing that it would be the last year of his life, and that come Aug. 2007, he'd be gone. But I know for a fact that last year of his life was his happiest because he LOVED that porch more than anything! I hope to eventually always have a similar (but bigger) screened and enclosed porch for all the kitties I will someday have. They get the best of both worlds that way! -Caroline - From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:58:49 -0500 Yes, and for some reason, I am thinking that they do not have the animal cruelty problem there that we have here. I could be wrong. My cats actually seem healthier since they have access to the fresh air. No matter what the weather is like, they are out there. At night, of course, they have to sleep on top of me. Ever guarding the food source:) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Success with Rescue Cat Susan, I noticed that about England on a British cat chat site that I was once a member of. But they all had backyards that were very small with fences and very interesting tops to the fences that kept the cats from crawling over. I hope someday to have a nice cat enclosure, but I could never have a fenced in yard. Our yard is much too bigplus we like our neighbors and dont want to fence them out! J But, I do sometimes feel cruel not letting the kitties out. I know theyd love to run around and roll around in the grass. This will remind me to keep saving for an enclosure! Melissa - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat - Messenger Café open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now.
Re: OT: Success with Rescue Cat
Great news! Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Okay, since there's been lots of debate and dare I say, controversy, over the Malnourished Rescue Cat my mom and I took in and have been caring for, I wanted everyone to know that she is GOING HOME and we have successfully reunited her with her family. Long story short, we pretty much took EVERYONE'S advice and tried a variety of tactics (as I previously mentioned-- signs posted, I posted on websites, etc.). As I had mentioned, from the Rabies tag, all we were able to obtain is the telephone number and street name (not number) of the owner and the name of the cat- Nosey. My mom and I pretty much sat on it for a while since by then, we'd already taken her to the Vet and started her on Clavamox and she needed so much rehabilitation anyway. We tried to decide what to do and we just hated the idea of totally cold call to this number...not knowing ANYTHING about the person and whether they were a good owner. We are almost finished with the Clavamox and have finished one tube of Terramycin and Nosey is still exhibiting Upper Respiratory Infection symptoms, thus my mom said we have to either: 1) take her back to the vet this week, as needs more care, or 2) call the owners and make sure they take her to the vet. Since I had the owner phone number, I FINALLY remembered that the Whitepages.com has this handy tab where you can do a reverse look-up- using the phone number...it will give you a name and address. Bingo! I got the street address we'd been wanting, which also provided me with the NAMES of the two people living there So, then I of course googled their names...and low and behold, one of them is a Partner at a law firm here and of course, my mouth dropped open (I am a lawyer too- and although this is a big city, it's a SMALL legal community), thus I knew I had to contact her at that point. I also knew she could definitely afford the vet bill Nosey incurred (they live on very rich street- I know that sounds weird, but the property value of the houses on that street is ridiculous). Anyway, I feel like the ultimate pet detective, seriously. Sometimes I think all I need in life is google and the white or yellowpages.com!!! My mom and I discussed it and I decided to send her an email at her firm's email address from my work email, so she would know where I work and that I am an attorney too. I took the initial vague route first (as was discussed on this list serve)...to feel her out, etc. She replied and said it's their cat and they looked for her for weeks and weeks, but didn't check online sites (which she apologized for) and asked when they could come get her. After another consult with my mom, my mom wanted me to send her another email where I socked it to her with the malnutrition, that she would have died if we hadn't taken her in, she went to the vet and this and that was done and the bill is this amount, we've been feeding her this that, she needs to go back to the vet because the URI is still lingering, I advise she go back and get this treatment (a full blood panel to check liver/kidney function, fecal for tapeworms, etc.). AND then I asked if she was outdoor/indoor cat and said if so, I recommend she NOT be an outdoor cat because she does not fair well outside, she has this URI that won't go away, and she's deathly afraid of storms and if she is out when one comes, she will run and hide. WHEW! All that. I also apologized for hitting her with all this at once and at work and admitted that I wanted to feel her out initially before I admitted that we had the cat in our house and have done intensive care/rehabbing. She responded really well!!! She gave me info about Nosey's background- they've had Nosey since birth and she lives with her Mother and Brother cats. They are mostly outside cats because they live on a large piece of property with a covered porch. She said the cats seldom go beyond the immediate neighbors (who love them), but the mother cat became an indoor cat a few years ago when she developed a URI!!! So, hopefully, now that poor Nosey has one that she can't seem to shake, they will make her an indoor cat now (which I did press upon her). She said they will compensate us for the care we did, thanked us, and said they will continue with further vet care for Nosey. We are going to try to connect tonight to do the hand-off. My mom and I both really happy that we've had a great result, but I have to admit that it took some detecting on my part, as we weren't going to turn this cat over to the great unknown! I will never know how Nosey got one mile away from her home, and in so doing, she had to have crossed one of the busiest state roads in Louisville (4 lanes of non-stop busy traffic, 45 mph speed limit) to get to our neighborhood???!! Thanks to everybody who provided insight into Nosey's
RE: Success with Rescue Cat
Caroline, I'm so happy for you! Yes, I'm sure another will turn up. That's what always happens right? I totally forgot about the reverse look-up feature. Good work! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: Success with Rescue Cat Okay, since there's been lots of debate and dare I say, controversy, over the Malnourished Rescue Cat my mom and I took in and have been caring for, I wanted everyone to know that she is GOING HOME and we have successfully reunited her with her family. Long story short, we pretty much took EVERYONE'S advice and tried a variety of tactics (as I previously mentioned-- signs posted, I posted on websites, etc.). As I had mentioned, from the Rabies tag, all we were able to obtain is the telephone number and street name (not number) of the owner and the name of the cat- Nosey. My mom and I pretty much sat on it for a while since by then, we'd already taken her to the Vet and started her on Clavamox and she needed so much rehabilitation anyway. We tried to decide what to do and we just hated the idea of totally cold call to this number...not knowing ANYTHING about the person and whether they were a good owner. We are almost finished with the Clavamox and have finished one tube of Terramycin and Nosey is still exhibiting Upper Respiratory Infection symptoms, thus my mom said we have to either: 1) take her back to the vet this week, as needs more care, or 2) call the owners and make sure they take her to the vet. Since I had the owner phone number, I FINALLY remembered that the Whitepages.com has this handy tab where you can do a reverse look-up- using the phone number...it will give you a name and address. Bingo! I got the street address we'd been wanting, which also provided me with the NAMES of the two people living there So, then I of course googled their names...and low and behold, one of them is a Partner at a law firm here and of course, my mouth dropped open (I am a lawyer too- and although this is a big city, it's a SMALL legal community), thus I knew I had to contact her at that point. I also knew she could definitely afford the vet bill Nosey incurred (they live on very rich street- I know that sounds weird, but the property value of the houses on that street is ridiculous). Anyway, I feel like the ultimate pet detective, seriously. Sometimes I think all I need in life is google and the white or yellowpages.com!!! My mom and I discussed it and I decided to send her an email at her firm's email address from my work email, so she would know where I work and that I am an attorney too. I took the initial vague route first (as was discussed on this list serve)...to feel her out, etc. She replied and said it's their cat and they looked for her for weeks and weeks, but didn't check online sites (which she apologized for) and asked when they could come get her. After another consult with my mom, my mom wanted me to send her another email where I socked it to her with the malnutrition, that she would have died if we hadn't taken her in, she went to the vet and this and that was done and the bill is this amount, we've been feeding her this that, she needs to go back to the vet because the URI is still lingering, I advise she go back and get this treatment (a full blood panel to check liver/kidney function, fecal for tapeworms, etc.). AND then I asked if she was outdoor/indoor cat and said if so, I recommend she NOT be an outdoor cat because she does not fair well outside, she has this URI that won't go away, and she's deathly afraid of storms and if she is out when one comes, she will run and hide. WHEW! All that. I also apologized for hitting her with all this at once and at work and admitted that I wanted to feel her out initially before I admitted that we had the cat in our house and have done intensive care/rehabbing. She responded really well!!! She gave me info about Nosey's background- they've had Nosey since birth and she lives with her Mother and Brother cats. They are mostly outside cats because they live on a large piece of property with a covered porch. She said the cats seldom go beyond the immediate neighbors (who love them), but the mother cat became an indoor cat a few years ago when she developed a URI!!! So, hopefully, now that poor Nosey has one that she can't seem to shake, they will make her an indoor cat now (which I did press upon her). She said they will compensate us for the care we did, thanked us, and said they will continue with further vet care for Nosey. We are going to try to connect tonight to do the hand-off. My mom and I both really happy that we've had a great result, but I have to admit that it took some detecting on my part, as we weren't going to turn this cat over to the great unknown! I will never know how Nosey got one mile
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Woo-hoo, Caroline! I'm so glad Nosey's owners have been located and checked out as good people. They will all be so happy! Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: Success with Rescue Cat Okay, since there's been lots of debate and dare I say, controversy, over the Malnourished Rescue Cat my mom and I took in and have been caring for, I wanted everyone to know that she is GOING HOME and we have successfully reunited her with her family. Long story short, we pretty much took EVERYONE'S advice and tried a variety of tactics (as I previously mentioned-- signs posted, I posted on websites, etc.). As I had mentioned, from the Rabies tag, all we were able to obtain is the telephone number and street name (not number) of the owner and the name of the cat- Nosey. My mom and I pretty much sat on it for a while since by then, we'd already taken her to the Vet and started her on Clavamox and she needed so much rehabilitation anyway. We tried to decide what to do and we just hated the idea of totally cold call to this number...not knowing ANYTHING about the person and whether they were a good owner. We are almost finished with the Clavamox and have finished one tube of Terramycin and Nosey is still exhibiting Upper Respiratory Infection symptoms, thus my mom said we have to either: 1) take her back to the vet this week, as needs more care, or 2) call the owners and make sure they take her to the vet. Since I had the owner phone number, I FINALLY remembered that the Whitepages.com has this handy tab where you can do a reverse look-up- using the phone number...it will give you a name and address. Bingo! I got the street address we'd been wanting, which also provided me with the NAMES of the two people living there So, then I of course googled their names...and low and behold, one of them is a Partner at a law firm here and of course, my mouth dropped open (I am a lawyer too- and although this is a big city, it's a SMALL legal community), thus I knew I had to contact her at that point. I also knew she could definitely afford the vet bill Nosey incurred (they live on very rich street- I know that sounds weird, but the property value of the houses on that street is ridiculous). Anyway, I feel like the ultimate pet detective, seriously. Sometimes I think all I need in life is google and the white or yellowpages.com!!! My mom and I discussed it and I decided to send her an email at her firm's email address from my work email, so she would know where I work and that I am an attorney too. I took the initial vague route first (as was discussed on this list serve)...to feel her out, etc. She replied and said it's their cat and they looked for her for weeks and weeks, but didn't check online sites (which she apologized for) and asked when they could come get her. After another consult with my mom, my mom wanted me to send her another email where I socked it to her with the malnutrition, that she would have died if we hadn't taken her in, she went to the vet and this and that was done and the bill is this amount, we've been feeding her this that, she needs to go back to the vet because the URI is still lingering, I advise she go back and get this treatment (a full blood panel to check liver/kidney function, fecal for tapeworms, etc.). AND then I asked if she was outdoor/indoor cat and said if so, I recommend she NOT be an outdoor cat because she does not fair well outside, she has this URI that won't go away, and she's deathly afraid of storms and if she is out when one comes, she will run and hide. WHEW! All that. I also apologized for hitting her with all this at once and at work and admitted that I wanted to feel her out initially before I admitted that we had the cat in our house and have done intensive care/rehabbing. She responded really well!!! She gave me info about Nosey's background- they've had Nosey since birth and she lives with her Mother and Brother cats. They are mostly outside cats because they live on a large piece of property with a covered porch. She said the cats seldom go beyond the immediate neighbors (who love them), but the mother cat became an indoor cat a few years ago when she developed a URI!!! So, hopefully, now that poor Nosey has one that she can't seem to shake, they will make her an indoor cat now (which I did press upon her). She said they will compensate us for the care we did, thanked us, and said they will continue with further vet care for Nosey. We are going to try to connect tonight to do the hand-off. My mom and I both really happy that we've had a great result, but I have to admit that it took some detecting on my part, as we weren't going to turn this cat over to the great unknown! I will never know how Nosey got one mile away from her home
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Susan, I noticed that about England on a British cat chat site that I was once a member of. But they all had backyards that were very small with fences and very interesting tops to the fences that kept the cats from crawling over. I hope someday to have a nice cat enclosure, but I could never have a fenced in yard. Our yard is much too big-plus we like our neighbors and don't want to fence them out! :-) But, I do sometimes feel cruel not letting the kitties out. I know they'd love to run around and roll around in the grass. This will remind me to keep saving for an enclosure! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat A, Caroline, you're GREAT! Good work,good work! They sound like good pet owners, and I bet they will keep her inside now. You HAVE to give people the benefit of the doubt. Heck, in England folks think it's cruel to make a cat stay inside 24/7. That's why I spent a small fortune this spring on a cat enclosure. Thanks for sharing! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: OT: Success with Rescue Cat Okay, since there's been lots of debate and dare I say, controversy, over the Malnourished Rescue Cat my mom and I took in and have been caring for, I wanted everyone to know that she is GOING HOME and we have successfully reunited her with her family. Long story short, we pretty much took EVERYONE'S advice and tried a variety of tactics (as I previously mentioned-- signs posted, I posted on websites, etc.). As I had mentioned, from the Rabies tag, all we were able to obtain is the telephone number and street name (not number) of the owner and the name of the cat- Nosey. My mom and I pretty much sat on it for a while since by then, we'd already taken her to the Vet and started her on Clavamox and she needed so much rehabilitation anyway. We tried to decide what to do and we just hated the idea of totally cold call to this number...not knowing ANYTHING about the person and whether they were a good owner. We are almost finished with the Clavamox and have finished one tube of Terramycin and Nosey is still exhibiting Upper Respiratory Infection symptoms, thus my mom said we have to either: 1) take her back to the vet this week, as needs more care, or 2) call the owners and make sure they take her to the vet. Since I had the owner phone number, I FINALLY remembered that the Whitepages.com has this handy tab where you can do a reverse look-up- using the phone number...it will give you a name and address. Bingo! I got the street address we'd been wanting, which also provided me with the NAMES of the two people living there So, then I of course googled their names...and low and behold, one of them is a Partner at a law firm here and of course, my mouth dropped open (I am a lawyer too- and although this is a big city, it's a SMALL legal community), thus I knew I had to contact her at that point. I also knew she could definitely afford the vet bill Nosey incurred (they live on very rich street- I know that sounds weird, but the property value of the houses on that street is ridiculous). Anyway, I feel like the ultimate pet detective, seriously. Sometimes I think all I need in life is google and the white or yellowpages.com!!! My mom and I discussed it and I decided to send her an email at her firm's email address from my work email, so she would know where I work and that I am an attorney too. I took the initial vague route first (as was discussed on this list serve)...to feel her out, etc. She replied and said it's their cat and they looked for her for weeks and weeks, but didn't check online sites (which she apologized for) and asked when they could come get her. After another consult with my mom, my mom wanted me to send her another email where I socked it to her with the malnutrition, that she would have died if we hadn't taken her in, she went to the vet and this and that was done and the bill is this amount, we've been feeding her this that, she needs to go back to the vet because the URI is still lingering, I advise she go back and get this treatment (a full blood panel to check liver/kidney function, fecal for tapeworms, etc.). AND then I asked if she was outdoor/indoor cat
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I have a volunteer who lives in England. She says they do not declaw there at all, I believe it is against the law. She was also horrified to hear about the stray/feral cat situation and says they really don't have that in England. Now whether or not that is true and she's just not aware I do not know. On 8/22/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and for some reason, I am thinking that they do not have the animal cruelty problem there that we have here. I could be wrong. My cats actually seem healthier since they have access to the fresh air. No matter what the weather is like, they are out there. At night, of course, they have to sleep on top of me. Ever guarding the food source:) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Success with Rescue Cat Susan, I noticed that about England on a British cat chat site that I was once a member of. But they all had backyards that were very small with fences and very interesting tops to the fences that kept the cats from crawling over. I hope someday to have a nice cat enclosure, but I could never have a fenced in yard. Our yard is much too big—plus we like our neighbors and don't want to fence them out! J But, I do sometimes feel cruel not letting the kitties out. I know they'd love to run around and roll around in the grass. This will remind me to keep saving for an enclosure! Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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On Aug 22, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Marylyn wrote: Dixie has a 10 x 10 x 6 foot tall dog kennel (a shade topper is on the way) that ran about $200. If you buy the panels you can add on to the enclosure or reconfigure it as needed. Until you are very sure where the little darlings can sneak out you need to spend time with them there. Usually they can get under the door or where the door meets the bar. It is easy to fix these places but you have to know where they are and the cats will tell you if you listen and give them enough time. You may be able to find chain link panels/ kennels used or on sale. Dixie has not had hers very long but she likes it. Ebony and Mi Tu loved theirs. They had almost 24/7/365 access to it thru a pet door. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat Yes, and for some reason, I am thinking that they do not have the animal cruelty problem there that we have here. I could be wrong. My cats actually seem healthier since they have access to the fresh air. No matter what the weather is like, they are out there. At night, of course, they have to sleep on top of me. Ever guarding the food source:) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Success with Rescue Cat Susan, I noticed that about England on a British cat chat site that I was once a member of. But they all had backyards that were very small with fences and very interesting tops to the fences that kept the cats from crawling over. I hope someday to have a nice cat enclosure, but I could never have a fenced in yard. Our yard is much too big—plus we like our neighbors and don’t want to fence them out! J But, I do sometimes feel cruel not letting the kitties out. I know they’d love to run around and roll around in the grass. This will remind me to keep saving for an enclosure! Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat
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Well done, Caroline. You and your mother must be both saddened and relieved at once. I'm sure you will miss her, but knowing that she is going home to a place where she is loved is a consolation. For 2 to 3 cat households, jackets are a great way to allow cats outdoors to roam around with relative safety. It really has changed all our lives. MeMe can spend hours on end hunting bugs or watching the bird bath and I no longer have the guilt of keeping her in, or the anxiety of worrying about where she is. She goes in and out a dozen times a day. I've begun putting her coat on in the morning and taking it off at night. On Aug 22, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: No, I don't think they have the animal cruelty issue like we do. You have to remember that England's version of police officers don't even carry guns!!! Because they so rarely have any violent crime! An animal cruelty is a violent crime. I have always taken all my cats out on leashes, and now, harnesses. And I moved to the house I live in now a year ago, pretty much for Monkee. So that he could have a front, screened in and enclosed porch...which he worshiped. I moved there last August, not knowing that it would be the last year of his life, and that come Aug. 2007, he'd be gone. But I know for a fact that last year of his life was his happiest because he LOVED that porch more than anything! I hope to eventually always have a similar (but bigger) screened and enclosed porch for all the kitties I will someday have. They get the best of both worlds that way! -Caroline From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:58:49 -0500 Yes, and for some reason, I am thinking that they do not have the animal cruelty problem there that we have here. I could be wrong. My cats actually seem healthier since they have access to the fresh air. No matter what the weather is like, they are out there. At night, of course, they have to sleep on top of me. Ever guarding the food source:) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Success with Rescue Cat Susan, I noticed that about England on a British cat chat site that I was once a member of. But they all had backyards that were very small with fences and very interesting tops to the fences that kept the cats from crawling over. I hope someday to have a nice cat enclosure, but I could never have a fenced in yard. Our yard is much too big—plus we like our neighbors and don’t want to fence them out! J But, I do sometimes feel cruel not letting the kitties out. I know they’d love to run around and roll around in the grass. This will remind me to keep saving for an enclosure! Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat Messenger Café — open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now.
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Wow Caroline! How wonderful! I am so happy that you feel good about the caregiver of this kitty and I really hope the transfer goes well. Did she sound happy, relieved, surprised, etc? Or did you communicate solely via email? Please let us know how it goes tonight. I am really curious and I hope you walk away feeling like you did something really important that made a difference, because you did. And I hope, when you see them reunite, you are beyond comfortable with how much the owners love their furbaby. What you did was wonderful, taking her in like that. And look how it made your mom change, now considering doing more rescue! Isn't that great, in and of itself?! My hat's off to you and your mom, :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:49:03 PM Subject: OT: Success with Rescue Cat Okay, since there's been lots of debate and dare I say, controversy, over the Malnourished Rescue Cat my mom and I took in and have been caring for, I wanted everyone to know that she is GOING HOME and we have successfully reunited her with her family. Long story short, we pretty much took EVERYONE'S advice and tried a variety of tactics (as I previously mentioned-- signs posted, I posted on websites, etc.). As I had mentioned, from the Rabies tag, all we were able to obtain is the telephone number and street name (not number) of the owner and the name of the cat- Nosey. My mom and I pretty much sat on it for a while since by then, we'd already taken her to the Vet and started her on Clavamox and she needed so much rehabilitation anyway. We tried to decide what to do and we just hated the idea of totally cold call to this number...not knowing ANYTHING about the person and whether they were a good owner. We are almost finished with the Clavamox and have finished one tube of Terramycin and Nosey is still exhibiting Upper Respiratory Infection symptoms, thus my mom said we have to either: 1) take her back to the vet this week, as needs more care, or 2) call the owners and make sure they take her to the vet. Since I had the owner phone number, I FINALLY remembered that the Whitepages.com has this handy tab where you can do a reverse look-up- using the phone number...it will give you a name and address. Bingo! I got the street address we'd been wanting, which also provided me with the NAMES of the two people living there So, then I of course googled their names...and low and behold, one of them is a Partner at a law firm here and of course, my mouth dropped open (I am a lawyer too- and although this is a big city, it's a SMALL legal community), thus I knew I had to contact her at that point. I also knew she could definitely afford the vet bill Nosey incurred (they live on very rich street- I know that sounds weird, but the property value of the houses on that street is ridiculous). Anyway, I feel like the ultimate pet detective, seriously. Sometimes I think all I need in life is google and the white or yellowpages.com!!! My mom and I discussed it and I decided to send her an email at her firm's email address from my work email, so she would know where I work and that I am an attorney too. I took the initial vague route first (as was discussed on this list serve)...to feel her out, etc. She replied and said it's their cat and they looked for her for weeks and weeks, but didn't check online sites (which she apologized for) and asked when they could come get her. After another consult with my mom, my mom wanted me to send her another email where I socked it to her with the malnutrition, that she would have died if we hadn't taken her in, she went to the vet and this and that was done and the bill is this amount, we've been feeding her this that, she needs to go back to the vet because the URI is still lingering, I advise she go back and get this treatment (a full blood panel to check liver/kidney function, fecal for tapeworms, etc.). AND then I asked if she was outdoor/indoor cat and said if so, I recommend she NOT be an outdoor cat because she does not fair well outside, she has this URI that won't go away, and she's deathly afraid of storms and if she is out when one comes, she will run and hide. WHEW! All that. I also apologized for hitting her with all this at once and at work and admitted that I wanted to feel her out initially before I admitted that we had the cat in our house and have done intensive care/rehabbing. She responded really well!!! She gave me info about Nosey's background- they've had Nosey since birth and she lives with her Mother and Brother cats. They are mostly outside cats because they live on a large piece of property with a covered
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Absolutely amazing! How absolutely cool! This is one lucky cat to have gotten so much help! I loved this story...Glenda --- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Okay, since there's been lots of debate and dare I say, controversy, over the Malnourished Rescue Cat my mom and I took in and have been caring for, I wanted everyone to know that she is GOING HOME and we have successfully reunited her with her family. Long story short, we pretty much took EVERYONE'S advice and tried a variety of tactics (as I previously mentioned-- signs posted, I posted on websites, etc.). As I had mentioned, from the Rabies tag, all we were able to obtain is the telephone number and street name (not number) of the owner and the name of the cat- Nosey. My mom and I pretty much sat on it for a while since by then, we'd already taken her to the Vet and started her on Clavamox and she needed so much rehabilitation anyway. We tried to decide what to do and we just hated the idea of totally cold call to this number...not knowing ANYTHING about the person and whether they were a good owner. We are almost finished with the Clavamox and have finished one tube of Terramycin and Nosey is still exhibiting Upper Respiratory Infection symptoms, thus my mom said we have to either: 1) take her back to the vet this week, as needs more care, or 2) call the owners and make sure they take her to the vet. Since I had the owner phone number, I FINALLY remembered that the Whitepages.com has this handy tab where you can do a reverse look-up- using the phone number...it will give you a name and address. Bingo! I got the street address we'd been wanting, which also provided me with the NAMES of the two people living there So, then I of course googled their names...and low and behold, one of them is a Partner at a law firm here and of course, my mouth dropped open (I am a lawyer too- and although this is a big city, it's a SMALL legal community), thus I knew I had to contact her at that point. I also knew she could definitely afford the vet bill Nosey incurred (they live on very rich street- I know that sounds weird, but the property value of the houses on that street is ridiculous). Anyway, I feel like the ultimate pet detective, seriously. Sometimes I think all I need in life is google and the white or yellowpages.com!!! My mom and I discussed it and I decided to send her an email at her firm's email address from my work email, so she would know where I work and that I am an attorney too. I took the initial vague route first (as was discussed on this list serve)...to feel her out, etc. She replied and said it's their cat and they looked for her for weeks and weeks, but didn't check online sites (which she apologized for) and asked when they could come get her. After another consult with my mom, my mom wanted me to send her another email where I socked it to her with the malnutrition, that she would have died if we hadn't taken her in, she went to the vet and this and that was done and the bill is this amount, we've been feeding her this that, she needs to go back to the vet because the URI is still lingering, I advise she go back and get this treatment (a full blood panel to check liver/kidney function, fecal for tapeworms, etc.). AND then I asked if she was outdoor/indoor cat and said if so, I recommend she NOT be an outdoor cat because she does not fair well outside, she has this URI that won't go away, and she's deathly afraid of storms and if she is out when one comes, she will run and hide. WHEW! All that. I also apologized for hitting her with all this at once and at work and admitted that I wanted to feel her out initially before I admitted that we had the cat in our house and have done intensive care/rehabbing. She responded really well!!! She gave me info about Nosey's background- they've had Nosey since birth and she lives with her Mother and Brother cats. They are mostly outside cats because they live on a large piece of property with a covered porch. She said the cats seldom go beyond the immediate neighbors (who love them), but the mother cat became an indoor cat a few years ago when she developed a URI!!! So, hopefully, now that poor Nosey has one that she can't seem to shake, they will make her an indoor cat now (which I did press upon her). She said they will compensate us for the care we did, thanked us, and said they will continue with further vet care for Nosey. We are going to try to connect tonight to do the hand-off. My mom and I both really happy that we've had a great result, but I have to admit that it took some detecting on my part, as we weren't going to turn this cat over to the great unknown! I will never know how Nosey got one mile away from her home, and in so doing, she had to have crossed one of the busiest state roads in Louisville (4 lanes of non-stop busy traffic, 45 mph speed limit) to get to our neighborhood???!! Thanks
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Happy Dance for Nosey--bet that little one is going to be one happy little girl and that her mom is going to give her a good talking to about wandering off! And good for you for saving this little girl's life and getting her home! Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of glenda Goodman Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Success with Rescue Cat Absolutely amazing! How absolutely cool! This is one lucky cat to have gotten so much help! I loved this story...Glenda --- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Okay, since there's been lots of debate and dare I say, controversy, over the Malnourished Rescue Cat my mom and I took in and have been caring for, I wanted everyone to know that she is GOING HOME and we have successfully reunited her with her family. Long story short, we pretty much took EVERYONE'S advice and tried a variety of tactics (as I previously mentioned-- signs posted, I posted on websites, etc.). As I had mentioned, from the Rabies tag, all we were able to obtain is the telephone number and street name (not number) of the owner and the name of the cat- Nosey. My mom and I pretty much sat on it for a while since by then, we'd already taken her to the Vet and started her on Clavamox and she needed so much rehabilitation anyway. We tried to decide what to do and we just hated the idea of totally cold call to this number...not knowing ANYTHING about the person and whether they were a good owner. We are almost finished with the Clavamox and have finished one tube of Terramycin and Nosey is still exhibiting Upper Respiratory Infection symptoms, thus my mom said we have to either: 1) take her back to the vet this week, as needs more care, or 2) call the owners and make sure they take her to the vet. Since I had the owner phone number, I FINALLY remembered that the Whitepages.com has this handy tab where you can do a reverse look-up- using the phone number...it will give you a name and address. Bingo! I got the street address we'd been wanting, which also provided me with the NAMES of the two people living there So, then I of course googled their names...and low and behold, one of them is a Partner at a law firm here and of course, my mouth dropped open (I am a lawyer too- and although this is a big city, it's a SMALL legal community), thus I knew I had to contact her at that point. I also knew she could definitely afford the vet bill Nosey incurred (they live on very rich street- I know that sounds weird, but the property value of the houses on that street is ridiculous). Anyway, I feel like the ultimate pet detective, seriously. Sometimes I think all I need in life is google and the white or yellowpages.com!!! My mom and I discussed it and I decided to send her an email at her firm's email address from my work email, so she would know where I work and that I am an attorney too. I took the initial vague route first (as was discussed on this list serve)...to feel her out, etc. She replied and said it's their cat and they looked for her for weeks and weeks, but didn't check online sites (which she apologized for) and asked when they could come get her. After another consult with my mom, my mom wanted me to send her another email where I socked it to her with the malnutrition, that she would have died if we hadn't taken her in, she went to the vet and this and that was done and the bill is this amount, we've been feeding her this that, she needs to go back to the vet because the URI is still lingering, I advise she go back and get this treatment (a full blood panel to check liver/kidney function, fecal for tapeworms, etc.). AND then I asked if she was outdoor/indoor cat and said if so, I recommend she NOT be an outdoor cat because she does not fair well outside, she has this URI that won't go away, and she's deathly afraid of storms and if she is out when one comes, she will run and hide. WHEW! All that. I also apologized for hitting her with all this at once and at work and admitted that I wanted to feel her out initially before I admitted that we had the cat in our house and have done intensive care/rehabbing. She responded really well!!! She gave me info about Nosey's background- they've had Nosey since birth and she lives with her Mother and Brother cats. They are mostly outside cats because they live on a large piece of property with a covered porch. She said the cats seldom go beyond the immediate neighbors (who love them), but the mother cat became an indoor cat a few years ago when she developed a URI!!! So, hopefully, now that poor Nosey has one that she can't seem to shake, they will make her an indoor cat now (which
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Hi Beckie, Congratulations on Moe feeling better! The pill pockets are a Godsend for a lot of people. I hope you are able to get his allergies under control. If you really feel like the vet made an error in judgement or that she's doing something unethical, you can write to your state's veterinary board. I've written mine once when a vet almost killed my cat by neglecting him carewise (no fluids after I asked, etc.). Even if they don't do anything, you might make them aware of an issue that needs to be addressed in your state's veterinary community. You should be able to find the board on the state's website. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 8:42:26 AM Subject: Success! Well, Friday, I went and got the “Pill Pockets”. (Chicken Flavored, my cats hate seafood, go figure), Went home, wrapped the Benedryl in it, and……WA LA! Down it went! I was SO happy!!! The lady at the pet store also told me about these bath wipes so I got a pack of those. They’re like baby wipes, and you just rub them down, and it helps to moisturize their skin, and his coat is so soft! I just wipe him down once a day, (which he LOVES by the way). Also, they have aloe, so that helps with his scratching. Amazingly enough, the lady at the pet store was more helpful than the vet! When I got home, and saw how everything worked, I IMMEDIATELY got on the phone with the vet and ripped her a new one. I wanted to know why she hadn’t told me about these products especially since I voiced to her MANY times how bad the pilling was going, and how bad his skin was. Hell, she SAW it! Her response? We don’t endorse other products than what we sell here. Well I proceeded to tell her that when she became a vet she took an oath to care for an ailing animal NO MATTER WHAT, and even though they don’t “endorse” those products, she STILL could have suggested them. I told her if it was THAT big of a deal maybe THEY should start getting wipes, and pill pockets there to “ENDORSE” so that other people and their animals don’t have to go through what we’ve been. I told her that I would NEVER be coming back to her, and I WOULD be filing a report with the better business bureau, and ANYONE who asks me for a vet, I will them to go ANYWHERE but there. I was HOT Thanks again guys! Beckie Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
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Well, Friday, I went and got the Pill Pockets. (Chicken Flavored, my cats hate seafood, go figure), Went home, wrapped the Benedryl in it, and..WA LA! Down it went! I was SO happy!!! The lady at the pet store also told me about these bath wipes so I got a pack of those. They're like baby wipes, and you just rub them down, and it helps to moisturize their skin, and his coat is so soft! I just wipe him down once a day, (which he LOVES by the way). Also, they have aloe, so that helps with his scratching. Amazingly enough, the lady at the pet store was more helpful than the vet! When I got home, and saw how everything worked, I IMMEDIATELY got on the phone with the vet and ripped her a new one. I wanted to know why she hadn't told me about these products especially since I voiced to her MANY times how bad the pilling was going, and how bad his skin was. Hell, she SAW it! Her response? We don't endorse other products than what we sell here. Well I proceeded to tell her that when she became a vet she took an oath to care for an ailing animal NO MATTER WHAT, and even though they don't endorse those products, she STILL could have suggested them. I told her if it was THAT big of a deal maybe THEY should start getting wipes, and pill pockets there to ENDORSE so that other people and their animals don't have to go through what we've been. I told her that I would NEVER be coming back to her, and I WOULD be filing a report with the better business bureau, and ANYONE who asks me for a vet, I will them to go ANYWHERE but there. I was HOT Thanks again guys! Beckie
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Beckie, What a great letter and bit of information...and you handled your vet perfectly! Good for you Beckie! I wonder how many vets peek in on this list? If I were you, I'd seriously be looking for a new vet, but not sure if you live in a larger or smaller community? Sometimes we are just stuck with what we get. I know when I decided to break ties with my vet, because he continued to vaccinate my cats between the shoulder blades, even after one of my cats ended up with lump...that concerned him enough surgery was scheduled... The lump went away in the nick of time. Also, his first impulse was to put down my healthy, FeLV+ little girl, I called around and quizzed vet techs at other clinics with questions like : Where does this vet , that vet, vaccinate...and who is best with cats...After reading up online I began looking for a vet that agreed with the recent research pertaining to cats... My new vet , went into this whole explanation about why she vaccinates along the upper side of the ribcage. She told me it is because if a cancer develops in a vaccination site it is the easiest/safest place to remove it. My old vet told me he was not concerned ,because only one or two cats out of 10,000 cats, might developed a cancerous tumor at a vaccination site. According to my current vet,the site between the shoulder blades is very difficult to remove a tumor from. She said the vertebras are scraped somehow in the process...That's what she said... For where I live, I have about the best cat- friendly vet I can find. There really is no excuse for withholding knowledge from you that might have helped you. As desperate as you have been to help your cats and for all your heartaches...Her answer to you was just lame. Her answer reflected everything wrong with vets: the doctor, your animal for profit issue, while neglecting to really want to do everything in her power to make your cats well. With a vet, with that attitude, one has to wonder how far she might go, just for the sake of the dollar...Pretty scary... .I'd never heard of pill pockets before finding these guys...I have one cat that is impossible to get a pill down, no matter what I try. He is my 13 year old;can't trick him...He gets tapeworms, sorry to admit, from years of bad habits. He has to be wormed every 2-3 months. He can often spit the pills out and always foams at the mouth...It is a struggle. I'll see if Pill Pockets work for him... Thanks, Glenda --- Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Friday, I went and got the Pill Pockets. (Chicken Flavored, my cats hate seafood, go figure), Went home, wrapped the Benedryl in it, and..WA LA! Down it went! I was SO happy!!! The lady at the pet store also told me about these bath wipes so I got a pack of those. They're like baby wipes, and you just rub them down, and it helps to moisturize their skin, and his coat is so soft! I just wipe him down once a day, (which he LOVES by the way). Also, they have aloe, so that helps with his scratching. Amazingly enough, the lady at the pet store was more helpful than the vet! When I got home, and saw how everything worked, I IMMEDIATELY got on the phone with the vet and ripped her a new one. I wanted to know why she hadn't told me about these products especially since I voiced to her MANY times how bad the pilling was going, and how bad his skin was. Hell, she SAW it! Her response? We don't endorse other products than what we sell here. Well I proceeded to tell her that when she became a vet she took an oath to care for an ailing animal NO MATTER WHAT, and even though they don't endorse those products, she STILL could have suggested them. I told her if it was THAT big of a deal maybe THEY should start getting wipes, and pill pockets there to ENDORSE so that other people and their animals don't have to go through what we've been. I told her that I would NEVER be coming back to her, and I WOULD be filing a report with the better business bureau, and ANYONE who asks me for a vet, I will them to go ANYWHERE but there. I was HOT Thanks again guys! Beckie Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
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That's "ironic" because if you read the pill pockets package-- it says they were "designed" by veterinarians! LOL! I would never go to a vet who will only recommend and endorse the items they sell at their clinic. That's ridiculous. My holistic vet is ALWAYS telling me to try something from Whole Foods, Wild Oats, Feeders' Supply (the local pet store), other health food stores, for my cat and she even gave me the holistic vet website she trusts most so that I can order products from them directly. I would look for a vet who operates like this. One that will tell you straight up "yeah, I can supply you with this supplement...OR, you can just buy it yourself at this store for cheaper..." is a gem and that kind of true assisting of you and your pet is what you want. As for the pet wipes, you are LUCKY your cat likes them. I have used them for years now on tons of cats and as soon as they figure out they are getting damp, they get mad! There's a new variety out called "pet gloves" or something like that. Instead of a thin, flimsy, one wipe, it's a very thick wipe that your hand fits into like a glove without fingers. It is THE BEST wipe I have used thus far. It lasts forever because when the one side gets dirty, you just flip it around your hand and use the other side. It is the best smelling wipe I have used too- the cat smells so good! They have different varieties and one has aloe- I think the one in the green package. You should look for these next time. One goes a long way so I think they are more cost effective than the flimsy wipes. -Caroline From: "Beckie McRae" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Success!Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:42:26 -0500 Well, Friday, I went and got the Pill Pockets. (Chicken Flavored, my cats hate seafood, go figure), Went home, wrapped the Benedryl in it, and WA LA! Down it went! I was SO happy!!! The lady at the pet store also told me about these bath wipes so I got a pack of those. Theyre like baby wipes, and you just rub them down, and it helps to moisturize their skin, and his coat is so soft! I just wipe him down once a day, (which he LOVES by the way). Also, they have aloe, so that helps with his scratching. Amazingly enough, the lady at the pet store was more helpful than the vet! When I got home, and saw how everything worked, I IMMEDIATELY got on the phone with the vet and ripped her a new one. I wanted to know why she hadnt told me about these products especially since I voiced to her MANY times how bad the pilling was going, and how bad his skin was. Hell, she SAW it! Her response? We dont endorse other products than what we sell here. Well I proceeded to tell her that when she became a vet she took an oath to care for an ailing animal NO MATTER WHAT, and even though they dont endorse those products, she STILL could have suggested them. I told her if it was THAT big of a deal maybe THEY should start getting wipes, and pill pockets there to ENDORSE so that other people and their animals dont have to go through what weve been. I told her that I would NEVER be coming back to her, and I WOULD be filing a report with the better business bureau, and ANYONE who asks me for a vet, I will them to go ANYWHERE but there. I was HOT Thanks again guys! Beckie See what youre getting into before you go there
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Yay, Becky! And what a lame vet! Jeez! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 13, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Beckie McRae wrote: Well, Friday, I went and got the “Pill Pockets”. (Chicken Flavored, my cats hate seafood, go figure), Went home, wrapped the Benedryl in it, and……WA LA! Down it went! I was SO happy!!! The lady at the pet store also told me about these bath wipes so I got a pack of those. They’re like baby wipes, and you just rub them down, and it helps to moisturize their skin, and his coat is so soft! I just wipe him down once a day, (which he LOVES by the way). Also, they have aloe, so that helps with his scratching. Amazingly enough, the lady at the pet store was more helpful than the vet! When I got home, and saw how everything worked, I IMMEDIATELY got on the phone with the vet and ripped her a new one. I wanted to know why she hadn’t told me about these products especially since I voiced to her MANY times how bad the pilling was going, and how bad his skin was. Hell, she SAW it! Her response? We don’t endorse other products than what we sell here. Well I proceeded to tell her that when she became a vet she took an oath to care for an ailing animal NO MATTER WHAT, and even though they don’t “endorse” those products, she STILL could have suggested them. I told her if it was THAT big of a deal maybe THEY should start getting wipes, and pill pockets there to “ENDORSE” so that other people and their animals don’t have to go through what we’ve been. I told her that I would NEVER be coming back to her, and I WOULD be filing a report with the better business bureau, and ANYONE who asks me for a vet, I will them to go ANYWHERE but there. I was HOT Thanks again guys! Beckie
Success!! (Was: [Fwd: [animalcommunication] Shelter Closing: Animals in Need ofImmediate Homes]
Hi All, Just got this email back from a friend... Kat (Mew Jersey) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:37:20 -0500 From: Barbara Loch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Kat' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Cathy Ford' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Fwd: [animalcommunication] Shelter Closing: Animals in Need ofImmediate Homes] (fwd) All the animals have been placed in fosters/other kennels. Thanks for the email. Barb - On Sat, 28 Jan 2006, Nina wrote: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:04:59 -0800 From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Fwd: [animalcommunication] Shelter Closing: Animals in Need ofImmediate Homes] I'm crossposting this because I know you guys have huge hearts and there might be a possibility that you know of someone that might be able to help. Nina ---BeginMessage--- I haven't verified this but it comes from someone I have found to be reliable at other times. Jodi --- The West Jersey Animal Shelter is closing at the end of this month, If these animals are not adopted by the end of the month, they will be euthanized. The West Jersey Animal Shelter is closing at the end of this month. The Pennsauken, NJ shelter had it's license revoked due to unkept and dangerous conditions for the animals. There are currently 31 dogs and 5 cats on the premises that are in desperate need of adoption. If these animals are not adopted by the end of the month, they will be euthanized. The West Jersey Animal Shelter is open for adoptions Monday through Friday from 11 a.m. until 4 p.m. and from 11 a.m. until 5 p.m. on Saturdays and Sundays. Phone (856) 486-2180. Even if you can't adopt an animal, please repost this.. .Eventually it will reach someone who can.. Even if only one pet is adopted, that's still a big difference for that animal's life. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Speak to My Heart: Carla Person's Step by Step Method for Shamanic Animal Communication. On DVD and Video. http://www.spirithealer.com/speak YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "animalcommunication" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---End Message---
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Thank you Kat for letting us know! Very good news! Nina Kat wrote: Hi All, Just got this email back from a friend... Kat (Mew Jersey) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:37:20 -0500 From: Barbara Loch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Kat' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Cathy Ford' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Fwd: [animalcommunication] Shelter Closing: Animals in Need ofImmediate Homes] (fwd) All the animals have been placed in fosters/other kennels. Thanks for the email. Barb - On Sat, 28 Jan 2006, Nina wrote: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:04:59 -0800 From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Fwd: [animalcommunication] Shelter Closing: Animals in Need ofImmediate Homes] I'm crossposting this because I know you guys have huge hearts and there might be a possibility that you know of someone that might be able to help. Nina Subject: [animalcommunication] Shelter Closing: Animals in Need of Immediate Homes From: jajm4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:10:51 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't verified this but it comes from someone I have found to be reliable at other times. Jodi --- The West Jersey Animal Shelter is closing at the end of this month, If these animals are not adopted by the end of the month, they will be euthanized. The West Jersey Animal Shelter is closing at the end of this month. The Pennsauken, NJ shelter had it's license revoked due to unkept and dangerous conditions for the animals. There are currently 31 dogs and 5 cats on the premises that are in desperate need of adoption. If these animals are not adopted by the end of the month, they will be euthanized. The West Jersey Animal Shelter is open for adoptions Monday through Friday from 11 a.m. until 4 p.m. and from 11 a.m. until 5 p.m. on Saturdays and Sundays. Phone (856) 486-2180. Even if you can't adopt an animal, please repost this.. .Eventually it will reach someone who can.. Even if only one pet is adopted, that's still a big difference for that animal's life.
Re: Buddha's 14 success story and a Question about Upper Respiratory infectio...
Chandra~ When we have outbreaks of severe URI's at the shelter, we do use humidifiers/vaporizers in our Felv rooms. And it does seem to help. With one of my boys, who was prone to URI's, I would put him in my half bath with the steam vaporizer on. It really worked wonders for him, and having him in a smaller, confined area seemed to work best. Of course, I would have to spend time with him.. But, he did lose the congestion. My vet also had me use "Little Noses", the pediatric nasal drops. What did the vet give you, was it saline drops? Usually, using the nasal drops helps bring relief relatively quick. Just have to administer them about every 4 hours. Is Buddha still on clavamox? My little Gus responded best to his URIs with either doxycycline or Zenequin. Just tossing things out here Also, he was prescribed an antihistamine to help w/ breathing. It sounds like the Alternative med. vet is understanding and compassionate. There should be more of them out there. I will be praying for Buddha's recovery. Please keep us updated. And I am sure other members will have some very good information to contribute as for addressing Buddha' s Felv status, in regards to supplements etc. (Interferon, etc) And as far as not going to the vets for the 8 years, I have to agree with your decision. I am quite leery of over-vaccinating exposing my companions to whatever viruses are lurking at the time. It sounds like you have been a very caring guardian for your boy, he is a lucky boy. I hope that you will have much more time together! Please, keep us updated. You'll find this is a very caring, compassionate supportive group. Also, very well informed on Felv ~ I can't stress that enough. Give Buddha a hug! Fondly, Patti
Re: Buddha's 14 success story and a Question about Upper Respiratory infections
i have never heard of any reason NOT to use a hudifier for a FeLV cat, nor for one with cancer--i'd think, speaking as a nonprofessional!, that having unobstructed airways could only be a benefit in any condition! what WAS suggested to me by a persian expert was to get a nebulizer rather than a humidifier to be sure you were getting the correct effect. i've never used one of those, and if they're employed the same way with cats as they are with humans, i'd think that'd be more stressful to a highly compromised cat sounds like you have a great vet, now! GLOW for you and for buddha (i hated cats til i was 26, and one of my shelties became best friends with a beautiful, black, part-persian girl named buddha.. she became FirstCat, and i haven't had a dog since--so any kitty named buddha has a special place in my heart) MC -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Buddha's 14 success story and a Question about Upper Respiratory infectio...
Immuno-regulin helped two of my cats with URI-- one of them had pneumonia. It is an immune booster, you can get it through Revival online, and there are articles about it on the felineleukemia.org web page. Chemo is often very helpful to cats with lymphoma, though they say that doing steroids first reduces the effectiveness. There are other steroids besides prednisone that tend to work better on lymphoma. A vet who was a friend of a friend taught me that giving 1/2 cc dexamethasone and 1/2 cc depomedrol in shot form really shrinks the tumor and makes them feel good. At first it is like once a month or every few weeks, but as they deteriorate it is more often. Stronger than pred and longer lasting, plus no pills. She said she oaccasionally had a cat go 6 months with lymphoma on these shots without chemo, which is pretty long. 14 years is very inspiring. I hope he has several more. Michelle
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I haven't tried a vaporizer yet. I did try taking him into the bathroom and letting it fill up with steam, but it didn't seem to help much. The vet gave me Euphorbium, which I have never heard of, but it seems to be a homeopathic nasal spray for humans. I was told to give him one squirt up each nostril daily, but it doesn't seem to be doing a thing for him. His breathing hasn't improved at all since Monday, except that he is getting much better at breathing through his mouth. I am also giving him Nose Relief drops in his food and water 3 times a day, but since he didn't eat for 2 days, we are a little behind on that med. He seems to be taking the liquid food very well again today. I wasn't given any type of antihistamine. Do you think an antihistamine would help clear up his nose? and if so, which should I give him. I am worried that maybe I am just being over concerned about his nose being stopped up. The vet seemed to think that it would either clear up from the meds he is taking or not, but that he was breathing ok through his mouth so it wasn't critical to clear up his nasal passages. Honestly I don't know if anything will work though. His nasal discharge was a mixture of blood, and whatever other fluids were up in his sinuses (the vet said the tumors were shrinking and could have caused the increase in discharge). The thing is, when it dries, it is almost like rubber cement. It is thick and hard, yet almost rubbery. It is so weird. I have never seen anything like it. It has been almost impossible to clean it all off his face. I suppose that being a Persian might also have something to do with it as well. I have heard that Persians sometimes have chronic trouble with their noses, but he has never had any sort of problems until now. His lungs are thankfully still clear, so if anyone has ideas as to what might work to break-up what is in his nose, please let me know. My vet left today to go out of town for 2 weeks on holiday, so I don't know if I can get any new meds prescribed until she returns. She said the vet tech. would still be available so that we can go in for fluids or if things go down hill, we can go in for other options. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chandra~ When we have outbreaks of severe URI's at the shelter, we do use humidifiers/vaporizers in our Felv rooms. And it does seem to help. With one of my boys, who was prone to URI's, I would put him in my half bath with the steam vaporizer on. It really worked wonders for him, and having him in a smaller, confined area seemed to work best. Of course, I would have to spend time with him.. But, he did lose the congestion. My vet also had me use Little Noses, the pediatric nasal drops. What did the vet give you, was it saline drops? Usually, using the nasal drops helps bring relief relatively quick. Just have to administer them about every 4 hours. Is Buddha still on clavamox? My little Gus responded best to his URIs with either doxycycline or Zenequin. Just tossing things out here Also, he was prescribed an antihistamine to help w/ breathing. It sounds like the Alternative med. vet is understanding and compassionate. There should be more of them out there. I will be praying for Buddha's recovery. Please keep us updated. And I am sure other members will have some very good information to contribute as for addressing Buddha' s Felv status, in regards to supplements etc. (Interferon, etc) And as far as not going to the vets for the 8 years, I have to agree with your decision. I am quite leery of over-vaccinating exposing my companions to whatever viruses are lurking at the time. It sounds like you have been a very caring guardian for your boy, he is a lucky boy. I hope that you will have much more time together! Please, keep us updated. You'll find this is a very caring, compassionate supportive group. Also, very well informed on Felv ~ I can't stress that enough. Give Buddha a hug! Fondly, Patti Love is not necessary to life, but it is what makes life worth living. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Are you sure that it is a cold and not lymphoma in his nasal passage? That is one of the places that they get lymphoma. One of my cats who died of lymphoma (I think, it was never definitively diagnosed) had a stuffy nose the whole time he was sick and nothing helped and I feel pretty sure at this point it was cancer and not mucous. Michelle
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It could be. My husband actually suggested that it might be caused by the cancer and not an infection, but I don't think our vet ever said for sure. Maybe that is why she said that it would either respond to the meds or not. I was a little out of it when we took him in yesterday. Between me getting up to check on him and him waking me up, I have only been sleeping for an hour or so at a time since Sunday night. We know he had a fairly large tumor behind his right eye, which was causing it to discharge and droop, however that particular tumor has shrunk considerably. His eye is almost back to normal so it is quite possible that he does have tumors in his nose, but shouldn't they be responding to the steroids too? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you sure that it is a cold and not lymphoma in his nasal passage? That is one of the places that they get lymphoma. One of my cats who died of lymphoma (I think, it was never definitively diagnosed) had a stuffy nose the whole time he was sick and nothing helped and I feel pretty sure at this point it was cancer and not mucous. Michelle Love is not necessary to life, but it is what makes life worth living. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I am, unfortunately, very familiar with the feeling of only sleeping an hour or so due to checking constantly on a cat with cancer. I am sorry. It is horrible. Yes, I would think it would respond to the steroids too, but the steroids kept Buddy going for about 3 months and generally feeling good sometimes, but even when feeling good his nose remained stuffy. It could just be that the nasal passage is so narrow that even a small amount of tumor, after it has shrunk, is still somewhat of an obstruction, whereas other places in the body if it gets small enough it does not really interfere with function. Don't know, just speculating. You could ask to try the stronger steroids and see if they help. One word of caution though on the stronger steroids-- when Buddy had been on them for a few months his skin got kind of thin and cut easily and he got a big wound on his back where we were giving him shots and fluids. it was awful. I do not know if this was from the steroids themselves, as this did not happen to my others, but someone else told me once that after a few years on a milder steroid the same happened to her cat, so I thought it might have been from that. It is a longer-term problem, though, and obviously not as much a problem as the cancer. I would do the humidifier anyway. But in terms of bothering him with meds and nasal spray, if they don't work within a few days I think I would stop using them as it probably stresses him out somewhat. Michelle In a message dated 12/15/2005 12:24:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It could be. My husband actually suggested that itmight be caused by the cancer and not an infection,but I don't think our vet ever said for sure. Maybethat is why she said that it would either respond tothe meds or not. I was a little out of it when we took him inyesterday. Between me getting up to check on him andhim waking me up, I have only been sleeping for anhour or so at a time since Sunday night. We know he had a fairly large tumor behind his righteye, which was causing it to discharge and droop,however that particular tumor has shrunk considerably.His eye is almost back to normal so it is quitepossible that he does have tumors in his nose, butshouldn't they be responding to the steroids too?
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with persians, stuffy noses are very often a problem--sometimes it's nothing more than their anatomy--if there was a tumor by his eyes, i'd almost expect sinus/nasal impingement that even with the tumor shrinking might persist. i'd go with the vaporizer, and nasal drops if, as michelle said, it doesn't stress him out. as long as he's getting enough air i wouldn't worry too much only because those smushed-faced ones (who needs a profile, anyway?, my eight ask) can't be judged by ordinary standards! MC -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Hi Chandra, Thank you for sharing your story about Buddha. What a wonderful story. I hope that Buddha pulls through and will keep him in my prayers. I also live in the Dallas area-Rockwall. I looked up that clinic and have added the information to my favorites in case I need to take one of my kitties. Thank you for the recommendation. I wish I would have known about this vet two months ago, when my Cricket started getting sick. I lost him on November 10th. I am sorry that I don't have any advice on URI's, but I do want to encourage you to continue hoping for the best. I know you are probably beside yourself right now worrying about Buddha, but it sounds as if you have a great outlook on this situation. And praise to you for taking such wonderful care of him for the past 14 years. Please keep us posted on Buddha's condition and if you need anything, just ask. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Chandra, I have a bottle of ImmunoRegulin that I ordered online in November. Cricket only had two doses of it before he passed and you are welcome to it if you want it. Let me know. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Immuno-regulin helped two of my cats with URI-- one of them had pneumonia. It is an immune booster, you can get it through Revival online, and there are articles about it on the felineleukemia.org web page. Chemo is often very helpful to cats with lymphoma, though they say that doing steroids first reduces the effectiveness. There are other steroids besides prednisone that tend to work better on lymphoma. A vet who was a friend of a friend taught me that giving 1/2 cc dexamethasone and 1/2 cc depomedrol in shot form really shrinks the tumor and makes them feel good. At first it is like once a month or every few weeks, but as they deteriorate it is more often. Stronger than pred and longer lasting, plus no pills. She said she oaccasionally had a cat go 6 months with lymphoma on these shots without chemo, which is pretty long. 14 years is very inspiring. I hope he has several more. Michelle __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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In a message dated 12/15/05 9:16:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and if they're employed the sameway with cats as they are with humans, i'd think that'd be morestressful to a highly compromised cat I must agree. Nebulizers can be VERY stressful on sick fur-kids. Also, I must admit, stressful to the human having to administer it! I think vaporizers are just as effective, although medication is put in nebulizer along with waterI just forget what it was we put in.. (senior moment) Patti
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Wendy, Wow, that is so generous of you. You are so sweet. You know, I was just telling my husband last night that if Buddha has any meds left over when he passes, I would like to see if it is possible to donate them to someone else who is going through the same thing we are but who might not be able to afford all the treatments and meds, and then the very next day you made the same sweet sweet offer. That really means a lot to me. I have a question though, does ImmunoRegulin need to be given as a shot, or is it something that can be given orally? I am beginning to think that it isn't so much the URI that is bothering him, but the cancer. He is not doing well this afternoon. He ate some this morning, but only after much coaxing. He seems to respond better to my husband feeding him than when I try, which seems to be the case with almost everything this past week. He is very, very unhappy with me and I don't know why. If I try to pet him, he gets up and walks away, which given his weak state is no small feat. Did you go through anything like that when your cat was sick? He has never acted like this before in his life. He is usually soo needy. He has always acted as if the sole purpose of anyone who comes into my house is to pet him and love on him. Until a week ago, if we were sitting down, he was in one of our laps or trying to get into one of our laps. Now I can't even sit down on the floor next to him very long before he tries to move away. It really makes me sad. Almost everything that was unique and wonderful about his personality is gone. He seems as if he is becoming a sick, tired, shell of the cat he used to be. Julian, my husband, and I have decided that we are not going to give up hope, but we are also worried that Buddha might be ready to go, but that we are just not letting him. Yet at the same time, it still seems like he is willing to fight through this. The part that I haven't figured out yet is when do you know when they are tired of fighting and you are just keeping them alive to make yourself happy? --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chandra, I have a bottle of ImmunoRegulin that I ordered online in November. Cricket only had two doses of it before he passed and you are welcome to it if you want it. Let me know. :) Wendy Love is not necessary to life, but it is what makes life worth living. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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i always ask them if they're ready to go, and try really hard to listen to THEM, and not my own need to keep trying to help. i tell them to tell me when it's time; i pay great attention to whether they accept or fight treatment (fluids, force-feeding) i let them be by themselves if that's what they need (tho it kills me to do so; when someone wants to be off on their own, i just make sure they're comfortable, and keep coming by to check. one other thing that i do is to tell them, out loud, that they can leave when it's their time, that i'll be okay, that they don't need to stay for me the most valuable thing i've ever been told is that it's better to send them home one day too early than 5 minutes too late MC -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Hello Chandra, As I was reading your post about Buddha's behavior, (responding to your husband better), I was thinking that he may be preparing himself for the transition, then when you said how uncharacteristic it is of him, and how his personality seems to have changed... My Grace did the same thing and even after I figured out that she was disconnecting from this plane and spending more time out of her body, it still hurt so much to not be able to cuddle and comfort her. She just didn't want it. I respected her wishes and she rewarded me with one final loving connection when we were in the vet's office waiting to help her cross over. It may just be that Buddha is in a great deal of discomfort, but it might also be that he feels your energy desperate for him to stay and he just isn't able to handle it. I so feel for you, you've been such a good mom and I'm certain that Buddha loves you very much. It's so hard to let go, whenever the time comes, our time together is never long enough. I so very much hope I'm wrong and I'm praying for a long and happy remission. Much love to you, Nina
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Chandra, What you and Buddha are going through is very common, unfortunately, with cancer. All my babies who had cancer got that way when they did not feel well. Sometimes they even hid. They went up and down, though. Simon got so he did not want to be touched at all, would not touch food or water, and could not even walk. We did those strong steroid shots and two days later, when I thought he would pass at any moment, he sat up and asked for food and water, then was running around and affectionate the next day. He went back to chemo and had another good month. You just don't know. yes, I-R needs to be given as a shot, as an IV shot usually, by a vet. Seriously, given what you are describing, if you do not want to try chemo I would really ask for dexamethasone and depomedrol shots (1/2 cc each, can be combined) to make him feel better. These steroids are so much stronger and longer-lasting than prednisone, and they both increase appetite and energy and also make them feel happier. Josephine had lymphoma in her kidneys and intestines, and the tumors in her intestines would bulge out when the shots were wearing off, and within a few hours of giving her a new round the tumors would visibly shrink and she would get up and eat. Dexamethasone works very quickly, is very strong, and wears off within a day or so. Depomedrol takes a few days to kick in, and lasts for a long time (depending on stage of illness from a few days to a few weeks). The combination gives them a strong fast-acting steroid that shrinks the tumor and gives them energy fast (the dex) and by the time that starts wearing off the depo kicks in. It really does work well. It brought Simon back from the precipice, to the surprise even of the oncologist who had had to be talked into giving the shots. Ask others on this list-- I was giving hourly reports on how Simon was doing and not a soul on this list, myself included, thought he would last another day, and then all of a sudden he was up and about and hungry and happy and his blood values (liver and red blood cell) were so much better he was okayed for more chemo. Anyway, that is my suggestion. The steroids do not have any bad side effects short-term, are not expensive, and sometimes make them feel so much better. If they do not work, then it means they really are very close to the end. Michelle
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nina, i know what you mean about them disconnecting--i've often felt that their spirits were gone before their bodies quite let go; i've also seen them go into what looks like a meditative state, as if they were making all their own preparations, regardless of their humans or other companions. sometimes the cuddling and holding we want to give is for US, and it's just not what they are needing. they KNOW they are loved, and they KNOW that leaving this plane is just part of the cycle in those cases, i make sure that i hug them with white light and radiated love--chosing to believe that they WILL accept the vibration i've also noticed that, often, right before they are leaving behind their old, used bodies, they perk up and are completely present. often, i'll see them get playful, almost kittenish--i think that is their gift to us, reminding us to remember THEM as they were throughout their lives, not just in their last days or hours. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Hey Chandra, I am sorry that Buddha isn't doing well this afternoon. That really stinks. Yes, the ImmunoRegulin has to be injected into a vein. I was totally opposed to that at first, because Cricket was what they call fractious, which means he could really act crazy at the vet. lol. But Cricket was feeling so badly that he didn't fight it at all the first time, and it was quick. The doctor didn't charge me the first time, and then charged me $10 tech time fee the next. They injected it into his front paw, on the side. They shaved it there first. I couldn't tell if it helped Cricket or not as he went downhill so fast, but he did seem to do better after the first injection. He just couldn't kick the anemia. There are a lot of people here who really like IR. They also like something called Interferon, which you might ask about. Yes, Cricket seemed a little miffed at me sometimes during the month he was sick. It made me feel horrible to be trying to help him, yet I knew he didn't understand why I was doing these things. Giving him meds all the time, force feeding him, taking him to the vet where they gave him shots or gave him anesthesia. It was a LOONG month, and I was so emotionally drained from all the stress. It's hard. I still have some of Cricket's other meds as well as the IR, but just have had a hard time dealing with his loss, so I haven't gotten around to donating them yet. I have been meaning to post something on the Petsmart board. I also told my vet that it was available, but they haven't called yet. I also have canned A/D, which is what they feed anorexic cats, if you need some. Ask your vet. There are some people on this site that use animal communicators. I never used one, never even knew what they were until I came to this site in November. Hideyo uses one all the time with her cats. The animal communicator is supposed to be able to act as a channel between you and your cat. Maybe that might be an option for you in finding out what is going on in Buddha's little mind. She also used the AC to find out if the animal is ready to pass over the bridge, which is what we call dying around here. He probably feels pretty badly and might not want to be around anyone much. Cricket kept climbing under our bedroom furniture. I was raised in the country. I know from that experience that when one of our animals was dying, they would wonder away from the home to do it. I wonder why animals do this. I am not saying that's what Buddha is doing. I don't know. But it might help explain his behavior. When I am sick, I don't want anyone touching me. Maybe it's that type of thing. You and your husband will know when it's time to let Buddha go, if that time is near. You will just know. I know that sounds crazy, but it's not. I kept thinking that it was time for Cricket, but he lasted another two weeks before I took him in to get a feeding tube inserted because he wasn't eating, and he passed away that night. He never quite got over the anesthesia, and couldn't breathe very well. You should know that after a short time of not eating (2 days???), kitties can develop fatty liver disease, which will kill them. That's why I went in for the feeding tube. But Cricket was ready to go, and now I regret doing the tube. I wish I would have helped him over the bridge that afternoon, instead of inserting the tube, but I couldn't have known, and given the same circumstances today, even knowing what happened with Cricket, I would probably do the same. It's so hard to give up on them. You never know when or if they will turn the corner. I am so sorry you and Buddha are going through this. Just hang in there and take each minute as it comes, and be really easy on yourself right now. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I so hope it's true that their spirits leave before their bodies give out. The thought of that makes me feel better about Cricket's passing. --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nina, i know what you mean about them disconnecting--i've often felt that their spirits were gone before their bodies quite let go; i've also seen them go into what looks like a meditative state, as if they were making all their own preparations, regardless of their humans or other companions. sometimes the cuddling and holding we want to give is for US, and it's just not what they are needing. they KNOW they are loved, and they KNOW that leaving this plane is just part of the cycle in those cases, i make sure that i hug them with white light and radiated love--chosing to believe that they WILL accept the vibration i've also noticed that, often, right before they are leaving behind their old, used bodies, they perk up and are completely present. often, i'll see them get playful, almost kittenish--i think that is their gift to us, reminding us to remember THEM as they were throughout their lives, not just in their last days or hours. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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It sounds like Buddha is a real fighter. I had success using a holistic vet to get one of my positives through upper respiratory problems as a young cat. I lost her at about 8 years old.The humidifier will help. Just don't put any kind of eucalyptus smelling stuff in it or anything like that. I'm sure others on the list will have some advice too. I think they have used 'little noses' or something like that. I know the emergency room used some kind of children's nose drops on CC when she was there as well.I hope Buddha turns this around and feels better soon!tonyachandra simms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a few questions and hopefully some words ofhope and comfort about sharing your life with an FeLVpositive cat. My cat, Buddha, tested positive for FeLV 8 years ago. At the time I had him tested he was not sick orshowing any signs that he might be FeLV positive. Hehad been vaccinated regularly, however one of mymothers cats had recently been diagnosed with FeLV andwas quickly deteriorating. Although Buddha and I hadbeen away at college for 2 years, he had spent timewith the infected cat when we still lived at home so Iwent ahead and had him tested just to be on the safeside. When he tested positive it was like someone hadreached in and ripped out my heart. At the time hewas already 7 years old and I had hoped that he wouldlive to a ripe old age. Our family vet suggested thatI have him tested again in 60-90 days to rule out afalse positive, but he said that he probably wouldn'tlive that long. Since Buddha had never been sick a day in his life,Buddha and I decided then and there that he was goingto be one of the rare and lucky few that don't succumbto the disease. Over the next 8 years he lived a veryhappy, healthy and stress free life. He celebrated his 14th birthday on October 13, 2005and it seemed as if he would sail through another yearwithout any problems. However, on November 7th he began sneezing, which thenturned to a runny nose and an irritated, watery lefteye. My husband and I decided he needed to see thevet, but couldn't get an appointment until the 11th. On the morning of November 9th, I woke up to the soundof Buddha having a sneezing and coughing fit. Iquickly noticed that he also had a bloody nose. I hadnever even heard of cats getting bloody noses, so Icalled my vet and told them that it was an emergency. I rushed him to the vet, where after $300 worth oftests, I was given frustrating news. Although all ofBuddha's blood work came back perfect and his organfunction was normal, his red and white blood count wasnormal, and even his cholesterol was good, I was givena bottle of Clavimox for his upper respiratoryinfection and was told to take him home and wait forhim to die. Probably within a week. This was exactly the reason I had avoided taking himto the vet for the past 8 years, which some peoplemight see as irresponsible, however he was never sick,never went outdoors, was never exposed to otheranimals and I was concerned about injection sitesarcoma. Also, I had never found a vet who had apositive outlook on FeLV infected cats. For a month he seemed as if he was going to yet againprove the "vet of doom" wrong, however a little over aweek ago I once again awoke to the sound of Buddhacoughing and sneezing, this time much worse. He wasvery lethargic and could barely open his left eye. Hewas so limp and listless, I was worried we wouldn't beable to get him to the vet in time. This time my husband and I took him to an vet thatpractices alternative medicine, in addition toconventional veterinary medicine and also specializesin FeLV positive cats. It was as if an angel had come into our lives. (Ifanyone reading this has a cat and lives in the NorthTexas/DFW region, I HIGHLY recommend Dr. Ballard atthe Alternative Veterinary Hospital)She immediately diagnosed him with Lymphatic Cancerand started him on steroid therapy supplemented withhomeopathic Immune System boosters, stress relievingdrops, Nutri-Cal vitamin gel, and more Clavimox. However, she did say that this was only going to be ashort-term solution and that IF he responded to thesteroid treatment and his tumors began to shrink, itwould only buy us a few weeks to months, a year at themost, which we were more than willing to take.By the time we got into the car to come home he wasalmost back to his old self. He was moving around,vocal and purring.I took Buddha back for his follow-up exam last Friday.His tumors had been responding very well to thesteroids and he seemed to be getting over his upperrespiratory infection. Which brings us to this week. At about 3am Mondaymorning I woke to the sound of him wheezing andsnorting. Like a person with a really stopped-upnose, who still tries to breath through their nose butcan't. I called the vet and she had me come in andpick up some nasal spray and drops for his water. We noticed Tuesday afternoon that he hadn't eaten allday. By Tuesday night he was breathing almostexclusively t
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I think that is a more accurate way to refer to it, Michelle. I remember oncemy hubby was on them for a bad case of poison ivy, and he was like the Tazmanian devil, he was a whirlwind of energy! On the flip side, he had terrible insomnia while on it.I also knew someone who took it foran acute asthma episode, and while she was on it, she flew into a rage and threw a knife at her own husband! She avoidedsteroid therapy because she knew she became a wild-eyed rather violent, short tempered person on it! I wonder if in catsit's different,especially if they take high doses for longer periods of time to treat cancer,as it is in Buddha's case. The euphoria is mainly seen in short term, tapering doses in humans, andpeaks with the highest dose and decreasesas the dose tapers. I do believe that cats are very sensitive beings to changes in our energy and mood, especially if we worry or have changes in our stress level. I feel like they may even be able to smell or detect the chemical changes in our bodies as a reaction to mentalstress or anguish.My opinion, only.However I do wonder if it is instinct for them to want to be alone when they are not feeling well. Ihope Buddharecovers from this episode and has many happy moments for you to share with him, Chandra. Sandy Cotton's mom re: I have heard of that with humans, but have never seen it in cats. I have heard it referred to as a "euphoric" actually, as it usually produces a sense of well-being, at least in cats. My cats all seemed pretty happy when the stronger steroids would kick in. The longest I ever did this for, though, unfortunately, was about 3 months. Michelle In a message dated 12/15/2005 10:41:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure if it's true in cats as it is in humans, but sometimes withhigh doses of steroids, there are personality changes. In humans, there is I have heard of that with humans, but have never seen it in cats. I have heard it referred to as a "euphoric" actually, as it usually produces a sense of well-being, at least in cats. My cats all seemed pretty happy when the stronger steroids would kick in. The longest I ever did this for, though, unfortunately, was about 3 months. Michelle In a message dated 12/15/2005 10:41:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure if it's true in cats as it is in humans, but sometimes withhigh doses of steroids, there are personality changes. In humans, there is
