[Finale] Garritan-Aria sounds

[Girard Bowe]

Resending this - never saw it or replies (if any). I apologize if this is
duplicative.

 

 

Can someone please point me to a resource to explain how Garritan works with
Aria, and how best to utilize them? I've used playback for a spell-check
function for years, and endured less than optimal sound, even though I have
the Garritan Jazz library.

 

Making changes in Score Manager and VST banks is confusing. For example,
changing Trumpet Plr 1 to Trumpet KS in VST Banks doesn't seem to affect
Score Manager.

 

When I want to assign sounds, where should I start - score manager or VST
Banks & Effects? Should I ever reassign sounds from the MIDI menu? Is there
a way to universally change libraries, say from Garritan JABB3 to Garritan
Instruments for Finale? 

 

Lastly, is there a way to change score order in Score Manager-Instrument
list?

 

Many thanks for any help!

 

Giz

Richmond VA

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[Finale] Garritan-Aria sounds

[Girard Bowe]

Can someone please point me to a resource to explain how Garritan works with
Aria, and how best to utilize them? I've used playback for a spell-check
function for years, and endured less than optimal sound, even though I have
the Garritan Jazz library.

 

Making changes in Score Manager and VST banks is confusing. For example,
changing Trumpet Plr 1 to Trumpet KS in VST Banks doesn't seem to affect
Score Manager.

 

When I want to assign sounds, where should I start - score manager or VST
Banks & Effects? Should I ever reassign sounds from the MIDI menu? Is there
a way to universally change libraries, say from Garritan JABB3 to Garritan
Instruments for Finale? 

 

Lastly, is there a way to change score order in Score Manager-Instrument
list?

 

Many thanks for any help!

 

Giz

Richmond VA

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Re: [Finale] Garritan

[Martin Nickless]

Hi I’d do have the garritan icon show on my desktop and the aria player icon
When I downloaded finale 
So it’s not those then
M

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> On 12 Jan 2018, at 18:21, Jorge Silvestrini  wrote:
> 
> Martin - it is a separate product that does not come bundled together when 
> you buy Finale. You need to buy the sounds libraries and then install them 
> separately. Once you’ve done that, they will show up in Finale within the 
> Score Manager. 
> 
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>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks chuck 
>> How do you load it or where are instructions 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 11 Jan 2018, at 01:10, Chuck Israels  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Martin,
>>> 
>>> You can use the Score Manager, select JABB 3 (assuming you have that 
>>> installed) and assign instruments.
>>> 
>>> The reason I have Trombone 4 instead of 3 is that Trombone 3 is weaker 
>>> (don’t know why).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:05 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
 
 
 Hello all
 I have just bought finale 25 I’m on windows 10
 I would like to programme my big band scores with the best sounds possible
 Unfortunately I have no idea how to assign sounds to the big band 
 instrumentation I also have no idea how to get started using Garritan
 I would like to simply ask where should I start what should I read first 
 Is there a process I can follow
 I do believe there is a big band Sound map
 Grateful For some beginners advice
 Best
 Martin
 
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Re: [Finale] Garritan

[Jorge Silvestrini]

Martin - it is a separate product that does not come bundled together when you 
buy Finale. You need to buy the sounds libraries and then install them 
separately. Once you’ve done that, they will show up in Finale within the Score 
Manager. 

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> On Jan 12, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
> 
> Thanks chuck 
> How do you load it or where are instructions 
> Thanks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 11 Jan 2018, at 01:10, Chuck Israels  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Martin,
>> 
>> You can use the Score Manager, select JABB 3 (assuming you have that 
>> installed) and assign instruments.
>> 
>> The reason I have Trombone 4 instead of 3 is that Trombone 3 is weaker 
>> (don’t know why).
>> 
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:05 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello all
>>> I have just bought finale 25 I’m on windows 10
>>> I would like to programme my big band scores with the best sounds possible
>>> Unfortunately I have no idea how to assign sounds to the big band 
>>> instrumentation I also have no idea how to get started using Garritan
>>> I would like to simply ask where should I start what should I read first 
>>> Is there a process I can follow
>>> I do believe there is a big band Sound map
>>> Grateful For some beginners advice
>>> Best
>>> Martin
>>> 
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>> Portland OR 97202
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Re: [Finale] Garritan

[Martin Nickless]

Thanks chuck 
How do you load it or where are instructions 
Thanks

Sent from my iPhone

> On 11 Jan 2018, at 01:10, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
> Hi Martin,
> 
> You can use the Score Manager, select JABB 3 (assuming you have that 
> installed) and assign instruments.
> 
> The reason I have Trombone 4 instead of 3 is that Trombone 3 is weaker (don’t 
> know why).
> 
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:05 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello all
>> I have just bought finale 25 I’m on windows 10
>> I would like to programme my big band scores with the best sounds possible
>> Unfortunately I have no idea how to assign sounds to the big band 
>> instrumentation I also have no idea how to get started using Garritan
>> I would like to simply ask where should I start what should I read first 
>> Is there a process I can follow
>> I do believe there is a big band Sound map
>> Grateful For some beginners advice
>> Best
>> Martin
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Garritan

[Chuck Israels]

Hi Martin,

You can use the Score Manager, select JABB 3 (assuming you have that installed) 
and assign instruments.

The reason I have Trombone 4 instead of 3 is that Trombone 3 is weaker (don’t 
know why).


Hope this helps,

Chuck













> On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:05 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello all
> I have just bought finale 25 I’m on windows 10
> I would like to programme my big band scores with the best sounds possible
> Unfortunately I have no idea how to assign sounds to the big band 
> instrumentation I also have no idea how to get started using Garritan
> I would like to simply ask where should I start what should I read first 
> Is there a process I can follow
> I do believe there is a big band Sound map
> Grateful For some beginners advice
> Best
> Martin
> 
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Re: [Finale] Garritan

[Martin Nickless]

Hi that’s what I thought 
Forgive me I need an idiots guide to do it or a link to the pages in the Manuel
Cheers
Martin

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> On 12 Jan 2018, at 15:59, Jorge Silvestrini  wrote:
> 
> You didn't mention if you bought any of the Garritan libraries and
> installed. Unless you have installed a new library of sounds, it won't show
> up in Score Manager.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Garritan

[Jorge Silvestrini]

You didn't mention if you bought any of the Garritan libraries and
installed. Unless you have installed a new library of sounds, it won't show
up in Score Manager.

*Jorge Silvestrini*
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Re: [Finale] Garritan

[Martin Nickless]

Hi no
I don’t see Garritan in the score manager 
Thanks
Martin

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> On 11 Jan 2018, at 23:22, Jorge Silvestrini  wrote:
> 
> Martin,
> 
> Did you get any of the Garritan Big Band libraries?
> 
> To assign sounds, the best place will be score manager.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Garritan

[Jorge Silvestrini]

Martin,

Did you get any of the Garritan Big Band libraries?

To assign sounds, the best place will be score manager.

Jorge Silvestrini
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[Finale] Garritan

[Martin Nickless]

Hello all
I have just bought finale 25 I’m on windows 10
I would like to programme my big band scores with the best sounds possible
Unfortunately I have no idea how to assign sounds to the big band 
instrumentation I also have no idea how to get started using Garritan
I would like to simply ask where should I start what should I read first 
Is there a process I can follow
I do believe there is a big band Sound map
Grateful For some beginners advice
Best
Martin

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[Finale] Garritan

[Lawrence Yates]

Hi,

Ive just installed Finale 25 (Windows) on a new machine and once again,
Gariitan doesn't seem to be there.  The last time I did this I completely
re-installed Finale to remedy this.  Is there any other way of doing this
please.

cheers,

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[Finale] Garritan Personal Orchestra 5

[Howey, Henry]

While the setup is seamless in 2014/2014.5, 2012 setup is still as before. In 
Garritan Support type in "5688" to get the files to download and the familiar 
instructions;/)

Henry Howey
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[Finale] Garritan KS

[Ron]

Pizz. Has always worked for me. There are three things that people sometimes
miss: 1) the staff must be named doublebass or contrabass so that HP knows
what to do when it encounters a "pizz." expression; 2) the instrument must
be selected from the "Notation" library and not from the "Standard" library;
3) it does not work using spacebar playback.

Best,

Ron

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Re: [Finale] Garritan KS

[Ryan]

It appears only to work when using the Playback Controls (with HP on, of
course). It doesn't work using the Space Bar-Click playback.

On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Adam Taylor 
wrote:

> Yeah. I have the same problem. It has selective hearing for the KS
> markings which pisses me off sometimes. It does what it wants, when it
> wants.
>
> Adam
>
> On 2/27/2016 7:19 PM, Ryan wrote:
> > Playback sound isn't changing to pizz when marked. FinMac 2012c. Garritan
> > Instruments. Basses KS. The "KS" means that it's supposed to detect terms
> > like arco and pizz, right?
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Re: [Finale] Garritan KS

[Adam Taylor]

Yeah. I have the same problem. It has selective hearing for the KS 
markings which pisses me off sometimes. It does what it wants, when it 
wants.

Adam

On 2/27/2016 7:19 PM, Ryan wrote:
> Playback sound isn't changing to pizz when marked. FinMac 2012c. Garritan
> Instruments. Basses KS. The "KS" means that it's supposed to detect terms
> like arco and pizz, right?
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Re: [Finale] Garritan KS

[Raymond Horton]

It rarely works as advertised for me. I always put pizz in a separate layer
On Feb 27, 2016 6:19 PM, "Ryan"  wrote:

> Playback sound isn't changing to pizz when marked. FinMac 2012c. Garritan
> Instruments. Basses KS. The "KS" means that it's supposed to detect terms
> like arco and pizz, right?
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[Finale] Garritan KS

[Ryan]

Playback sound isn't changing to pizz when marked. FinMac 2012c. Garritan
Instruments. Basses KS. The "KS" means that it's supposed to detect terms
like arco and pizz, right?
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[Finale] Garritan in virtual machine?

[Robert Patterson]

Has anyone ever gotten garritan playback in a virtual machine (on Mac)? I
have the sound working otherwise, including SmartSynth.
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Re: [Finale] Garritan sounds SUCK! (was Garritan sounds just likeSmartMusic SoftSynth)

[Brian Williams]

No, I have 8GB of RAM and I'm not running anything else other than MS
Outlook and the Finder, so memory is not the issue. MakeMusic support has
confirmed that I am indeed hearing the Garritan sounds and they're sorry
to hear I am not happy with them. The keyboards and strings may be
passable, but the brass and saxes sound like middle schoolers that have
been autotuned. The SoftSynth sounds for those instruments are WAY better
IMO. I'm still using Garritan for the Drums staff, but that's about it.
-Brian

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Bad performance by the Garritan sounds could be a matter of insufficient
access to RAM. Low amounts of RAM would be much less noticeable with the
less demanding MIDI sounds.

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Re: [Finale] Garritan sounds SUCK! (was Garritan sounds just likeSmartMusic SoftSynth)

[timothy price]

Mentioned this to Brian Williams but should have included all.

Garritan sounds are somewhat harsh, but there is lots of tweeking you can do. 
One thing that I found helped a lot was
recording the Finale file dry with Garritan, then loading that file into 
Garage Band and using that program for ambiance,
master volume controls, etc.. Way better.

tim



On Mar 6, 2015, at 7:02 PM, Lawrence Yates wrote:

 I was happy with the Garritan sounds I had with Finale 2008, less so with
 Finale 2012.  I think they possibly need some tampering with in the
 ambience department to make them sound okay.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Lawrence
 
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 No, I have 8GB of RAM and I'm not running anything else other than MS
 Outlook and the Finder, so memory is not the issue. MakeMusic support has
 confirmed that I am indeed hearing the Garritan sounds and they're sorry
 to hear I am not happy with them. The keyboards and strings may be
 passable, but the brass and saxes sound like middle schoolers that have
 been autotuned. The SoftSynth sounds for those instruments are WAY better
 IMO. I'm still using Garritan for the Drums staff, but that's about it.
 -Brian
 
 On 3/6/15, 3:08 PM, carolusmarxi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Bad performance by the Garritan sounds could be a matter of insufficient
 access to RAM. Low amounts of RAM would be much less noticeable with the
 less demanding MIDI sounds.
 
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Re: [Finale] Garritan sounds SUCK! (was Garritan sounds just likeSmartMusic SoftSynth)

[Lawrence Yates]

I was happy with the Garritan sounds I had with Finale 2008, less so with
Finale 2012.  I think they possibly need some tampering with in the
ambience department to make them sound okay.

Cheers,

Lawrence

On 6 March 2015 at 23:56, Brian Williams br...@barisax.net wrote:

 No, I have 8GB of RAM and I'm not running anything else other than MS
 Outlook and the Finder, so memory is not the issue. MakeMusic support has
 confirmed that I am indeed hearing the Garritan sounds and they're sorry
 to hear I am not happy with them. The keyboards and strings may be
 passable, but the brass and saxes sound like middle schoolers that have
 been autotuned. The SoftSynth sounds for those instruments are WAY better
 IMO. I'm still using Garritan for the Drums staff, but that's about it.
 -Brian

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 Bad performance by the Garritan sounds could be a matter of insufficient
 access to RAM. Low amounts of RAM would be much less noticeable with the
 less demanding MIDI sounds.
 
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Re: [Finale] Garritan sounds SUCK! (was Garritan sounds just like SmartMusic SoftSynth)

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Fri, March 6, 2015 1:46 pm, Brian Williams wrote:
 Apparently I was incorrect when I said the lame Garritan sounds were
 indistinguishable from the SmartMusic SoftSynth sounds. I switched all of
 my channels to SoftSynth and they sound WAY BETTER! I find it amazing that
 MakeMusic touts the virtues of the Garritan sound library when in fact it
 is a huge downgrade in sound quality. How is this possible?

Something is wrong. I get lovely demos using the packaged sounds plus Human
Playback, much better than the softsynth.

They're not really final production quality, but some of the sample sets are
quite good (keyboards, organ, harp, single strings, percussion, etc.). To me,
brass and massed strings are okay, especially horns. Winds can be weak in
groups -- weakest to me are flutes and especially saxes.

Do you have any of these unsatisfactory examples to share from your website?

Dennis



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Re: [Finale] Garritan sounds SUCK! (was Garritan sounds just like SmartMusic SoftSynth)

[Brian Williams]

Actually, I'm listening through $1200 JHAudio JH13 custom in-ear monitors
through an outboard USB D/A headphone preamp, so speaker quality is not
the issue.

Apparently I was incorrect when I said the lame Garritan sounds were
indistinguishable from the SmartMusic SoftSynth sounds. I switched all of
my channels to SoftSynth and they sound WAY BETTER! I find it amazing that
MakeMusic touts the virtues of the Garritan sound library when in fact it
is a huge downgrade in sound quality. How is this possible?

-Brian

On 3/6/15, 10:00 AM, David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net wrote:

So it seems that's alright.

Actually, at least on the Windows side of things, you can select Play
file through MIDI and use the SmartMusic Soundfont that you're
complaining about hearing.

But on the other hand, I've never been all that impressed with the
Garritan sounds that have shipped with Finale, so maybe you're getting
all that's possible with the sounds you've got.

Are you listening through high quality speakers or headphones?  Or are
you listening only through small computer speakers?

David


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Re: [Finale] Garritan sounds SUCK! (was Garritan sounds just like SmartMusic SoftSynth)

[timothy price]

On Mar 6, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Brian Williams wrote:

 How is this possible?

It isn't. 

Garritan is not the best, but way better than SoftSynth, imo.

tim

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Re: [Finale] Garritan sounds SUCK! (was Garritan sounds just likeSmartMusic SoftSynth)

[carolusmarximus]

Bad performance by the Garritan sounds could be a matter of insufficient access 
to RAM. Low amounts of RAM would be much less noticeable with the less 
demanding MIDI sounds.

Klaus 
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Re: [Finale] Garritan sounds just like SmartMusic SoftSynth

[David H. Bailey]

On 3/5/2015 12:48 AM, Brian Williams wrote:
 Hello list,

 This question pertains to Finale 2012 running on a MacBook Pro in MacOS
 10.9.5 (Mavericks).

 When it comes to Finale, I'm mostly an expert about how to enter notation
 and make it look exactly how I want. Playback is another matter entirely. I
 mainly use playback as a clam check to make sure there aren't any wrong
 notes. However, I'm now working on a project for which the client needs me
 to produce a decent-sounding audio demo of the playback. The problem I'm
 having is that all of the supposedly wondrous Garritan sounds I'm supposed
 to be getting are indistinguishable from the awful-sounding SmartMusic
 SoftSynth sounds which worked OK in the past for clam checking. These are
 the same SoftSynth samples that I've heard for well over a decade; the
 trumpets are tinny, the trombones are blatty, and the saxes are, well, just
 really lame.

 In the Score Manager, I've selected Garritan Instruments for Finale under
 Device for everything, and the corresponding sounds I would like to hear
 for each staff are selected under Sound. When I switch the Device to
 SmartMusic SoftSynth, the sounds stay the same. The Sound Map Priority
 dialog has Garritan Instruments for Finale, then SmartMusic SoftSynth,
 then Garritan Instruments for Finale again. When I drag the second
 Garritan Instruments map to the top of the list and run the Reassign
 Playback Sounds command, it moves it back to the bottom of the list. A
 search for Garritan in Spotlight reveals a Garritan Instruments for Finale
 folder in my Applications folder, so apparently it is installed. I've tried
 playing my files on other people's computers and they sound the same.

 Is there anything you can think of that I'm overlooking? And can anyone
 explain why I have Garritan Instruments for Finale in my Sound Map list
 twice? Perhaps someone could guide me through the process of completely
 removing old Garritan and SoftSynth versions and reinstalling from scratch.
 Any help would be greatly appreciated.



There's one other setting you need to change -- under the MIDI/Audio
menu there are two choices at the top:
Play Finale Through VST
Play Finale Through MIDI

Make sure the VST option is checked.


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[Finale] Garritan sounds just like SmartMusic SoftSynth

[Brian Williams]

Hello list,

This question pertains to Finale 2012 running on a MacBook Pro in MacOS
10.9.5 (Mavericks).

When it comes to Finale, I'm mostly an expert about how to enter notation
and make it look exactly how I want. Playback is another matter entirely. I
mainly use playback as a clam check to make sure there aren't any wrong
notes. However, I'm now working on a project for which the client needs me
to produce a decent-sounding audio demo of the playback. The problem I'm
having is that all of the supposedly wondrous Garritan sounds I'm supposed
to be getting are indistinguishable from the awful-sounding SmartMusic
SoftSynth sounds which worked OK in the past for clam checking. These are
the same SoftSynth samples that I've heard for well over a decade; the
trumpets are tinny, the trombones are blatty, and the saxes are, well, just
really lame.

In the Score Manager, I've selected Garritan Instruments for Finale under
Device for everything, and the corresponding sounds I would like to hear
for each staff are selected under Sound. When I switch the Device to
SmartMusic SoftSynth, the sounds stay the same. The Sound Map Priority
dialog has Garritan Instruments for Finale, then SmartMusic SoftSynth,
then Garritan Instruments for Finale again. When I drag the second
Garritan Instruments map to the top of the list and run the Reassign
Playback Sounds command, it moves it back to the bottom of the list. A
search for Garritan in Spotlight reveals a Garritan Instruments for Finale
folder in my Applications folder, so apparently it is installed. I've tried
playing my files on other people's computers and they sound the same.

Is there anything you can think of that I'm overlooking? And can anyone
explain why I have Garritan Instruments for Finale in my Sound Map list
twice? Perhaps someone could guide me through the process of completely
removing old Garritan and SoftSynth versions and reinstalling from scratch.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
Brian


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[Finale] Garritan fin mac 14

[Linda Worsley]

I don't expect a comprehensive outline of how to activate the Garritan
Instant Orchestra which I bought and installed on my computer at the same
time I upgraded and installed fin mac 2014.

But can anyone tell me where on the internet I can find instructions for
activating the instruments.  I am totally baffled.  On the MakeMuisc
(Finale) web site I found a set of instructions that are incomprehensible.
For example, the second instruction given (after close finale) is to
download the file (below) and...

But there is no file below anything.  Nothing to download.

I need a bigger boat.

Linda
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Re: [Finale] Garritan fin mac 14

[Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre]

When buying a Garritan product your personal authorisation has the form of 
picture that you download after creating it on the MM website. Then you drag 
the application icon on top of that photo or maybe the other way round. I have 
not seen this procedure in other contexts. It works and hasn't to be redone 
unless you reformat your disk or get a new computer. That is why I forgot the 
exact details. 

Klaus 


Sendt fra min iPhone

 Den 18/01/2015 kl. 08.38 skrev Linda Worsley li...@lworsley.com:
 
 I don't expect a comprehensive outline of how to activate the Garritan
 Instant Orchestra which I bought and installed on my computer at the same
 time I upgraded and installed fin mac 2014.
 
 But can anyone tell me where on the internet I can find instructions for
 activating the instruments.  I am totally baffled.  On the MakeMuisc
 (Finale) web site I found a set of instructions that are incomprehensible.
 For example, the second instruction given (after close finale) is to
 download the file (below) and...
 
 But there is no file below anything.  Nothing to download.
 
 I need a bigger boat.
 
 Linda
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[Finale] Garritan string sounds

[Don Hart]

I use Finale's audio output for personal reference and an occasional mockup
for clients.  Finale's internal sounds have suited my purposes for some
time now.  Recently, while updating a short chamber piece, the Garritan
sounds that come with Finale 2011 (Mac) loaded.  I gave them a listen and
was pleasantly surprised at the improvement this made in solo wind and
string sounds.

Today I'm working on a piece for string orchestra.  Hoping for a similar
jump in quality I chose the Garritan option but have been very disappointed
so far.  The sounds are mushy and lack rhythmic definition; great, I
suppose, for a pad, but not what I'm looking for here.

Is this something inherent in the Garritan string section sounds, or are
there settings that will allow for a crisper, rhythmically more accurate
realization?  I changed the reverb type in Audio Setup from Large Hall
to none and I guess there's some difference, but not enough.

Thoughts, suggestions, or setting that are working for you would be greatly
appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

Don Hart
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Re: [Finale] Garritan string sounds

[Jan Angermüller]

Don, you can change the release time of the string sound.

If you open the Garritan sound in Aria player, go to the
controls tab and set length to 0% (or whatever you need).
You can do the same with a text expression or human
playback technique using the MIDI control message CC#21
and the value 0.
It will sound very dry, if you have no reverb loaded.

Jan Angermueller



Am 05.06.2014 18:13, schrieb Don Hart:
 I use Finale's audio output for personal reference and an occasional mockup
 for clients.  Finale's internal sounds have suited my purposes for some
 time now.  Recently, while updating a short chamber piece, the Garritan
 sounds that come with Finale 2011 (Mac) loaded.  I gave them a listen and
 was pleasantly surprised at the improvement this made in solo wind and
 string sounds.

 Today I'm working on a piece for string orchestra.  Hoping for a similar
 jump in quality I chose the Garritan option but have been very disappointed
 so far.  The sounds are mushy and lack rhythmic definition; great, I
 suppose, for a pad, but not what I'm looking for here.

 Is this something inherent in the Garritan string section sounds, or are
 there settings that will allow for a crisper, rhythmically more accurate
 realization?  I changed the reverb type in Audio Setup from Large Hall
 to none and I guess there's some difference, but not enough.

 Thoughts, suggestions, or setting that are working for you would be greatly
 appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

 Don Hart
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Re: [Finale] Garritan string sounds

[David H. Bailey]

I find most string section samples to be much mushier than using solo 
string instruments.

For a mockup for clients, use the solo strings not the section strings. 
  There's much more clarity and still good tone.

David H. Bailey

On 6/5/2014 12:13 PM, Don Hart wrote:
 I use Finale's audio output for personal reference and an occasional mockup
 for clients.  Finale's internal sounds have suited my purposes for some
 time now.  Recently, while updating a short chamber piece, the Garritan
 sounds that come with Finale 2011 (Mac) loaded.  I gave them a listen and
 was pleasantly surprised at the improvement this made in solo wind and
 string sounds.

 Today I'm working on a piece for string orchestra.  Hoping for a similar
 jump in quality I chose the Garritan option but have been very disappointed
 so far.  The sounds are mushy and lack rhythmic definition; great, I
 suppose, for a pad, but not what I'm looking for here.

 Is this something inherent in the Garritan string section sounds, or are
 there settings that will allow for a crisper, rhythmically more accurate
 realization?  I changed the reverb type in Audio Setup from Large Hall
 to none and I guess there's some difference, but not enough.

 Thoughts, suggestions, or setting that are working for you would be greatly
 appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

 Don Hart
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Re: [Finale] Garritan keyswitching without HP

[GERALD BERG]

Yes.

Best
 
GJB



 From: Michael Mathew mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com
To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan keyswitching without HP
 

Hi,

I am glad you were able to provide a solution for this problem. Is using the 
expressions for pizz., arco, etc. provided by Finale an example of the use of 
HP?
 
Thanks,
Michael Mathew
mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com
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http://oregonmts.com/mathew/



On Sunday, February 9, 2014 8:44 AM, David Froom dfr...@smcm.edu wrote:

Hi Gerald,
I've done this when, for one reason or another, HP frustrates me, or controls 
don't work exactly as planned. For example, for violin harmonics, I like to use 
a non-vibrato piccolo.

The easiest way to do it is to set up the different sounds you want on 
different tracks. You can put an invisible expression in (either blank, or with 
a name that you hide). When you make the expression, under playback, you set it 
change the channel. Finale/Garritan can have four banks of 16 channels each, 
numbered (under playback channels in the the expression playback section) 1-16, 
17-32, 33-48, 49-60. So you set up the Aria player with exactly the sound you 
want on separate channels, then create the channel-changing expressions, then 
pop them in. And don't forget to create an expression to change back to the 
primary sound!

David Froom

On 8 Feb 2014, at 1:00 PM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote:

 Hi all
 This may be really old news to you all but I am flummoxed.?
 
 Is there a way to create an expression tool keyswitch for the Garrison 
 instruments -- violin arco to pizz. (for example) --- without relying on the 
 human playback function to recognize it? ?
 
 HP is a end result product I'd rather avoid while composing. ?
 
 I have a bad feeling this is only solvable via layers. ?True?
 
 ?TIA
 
 GJB



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[Finale] Garritan keyswitching without HP

[David Froom]

Hi Gerald,
I've done this when, for one reason or another, HP frustrates me, or controls 
don't work exactly as planned. For example, for violin harmonics, I like to use 
a non-vibrato piccolo.

The easiest way to do it is to set up the different sounds you want on 
different tracks. You can put an invisible expression in (either blank, or with 
a name that you hide). When you make the expression, under playback, you set it 
change the channel. Finale/Garritan can have four banks of 16 channels each, 
numbered (under playback channels in the the expression playback section) 1-16, 
17-32, 33-48, 49-60. So you set up the Aria player with exactly the sound you 
want on separate channels, then create the channel-changing expressions, then 
pop them in. And don't forget to create an expression to change back to the 
primary sound!

David Froom
 
On 8 Feb 2014, at 1:00 PM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote:

 Hi all
 This may be really old news to you all but I am flummoxed.?
 
 Is there a way to create an expression tool keyswitch for the Garrison 
 instruments -- violin arco to pizz. (for example) --- without relying on the 
 human playback function to recognize it? ?
 
 HP is a end result product I'd rather avoid while composing. ?
 
 I have a bad feeling this is only solvable via layers. ?True?
 
 ?TIA
 
 GJB



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Re: [Finale] Garritan keyswitching without HP

[GERALD BERG]

David

Thank you for that -- I'll give it a whirl.  For now I made the layer 1 -2 idea 
work.  Each layer with a different channel.  Channel 1 is KS pizz. channel 2 is 
arco.  The program seems to remember when using spot playback.  Not sure why 
and not sure I can extend it to the further 2 layers without severe confusion 
--- so your method should work better.

GJB
 


 From: David Froom dfr...@smcm.edu
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2014 11:44:40 AM
Subject: [Finale]  Garritan keyswitching without HP
  

Hi Gerald,
I've done this when, for one reason or another, HP frustrates me, or controls 
don't work exactly as planned. For example, for violin harmonics, I like to use 
a non-vibrato piccolo.

The easiest way to do it is to set up the different sounds you want on 
different tracks. You can put an invisible expression in (either blank, or with 
a name that you hide). When you make the expression, under playback, you set it 
change the channel. Finale/Garritan can have four banks of 16 channels each, 
numbered (under playback channels in the the expression playback section) 1-16, 
17-32, 33-48, 49-60. So you set up the Aria player with exactly the sound you 
want on separate channels, then create the channel-changing expressions, then 
pop them in. And don't forget to create an expression to change back to the 
primary sound!

David Froom

On 8 Feb 2014, at 1:00 PM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote:

 Hi all
 This may be really old news to you all but I am flummoxed.?
 
 Is there a way to create an expression tool keyswitch for the Garrison 
 instruments -- violin arco to pizz. (for example) --- without relying on the 
 human playback function to recognize it? ?
 
 HP is a end result product I'd rather avoid while composing. ?
 
 I have a bad feeling this is only solvable via layers. ?True?
 
 ?TIA
 
 GJB



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Re: [Finale] Garritan keyswitching without HP

[Michael Mathew]

Hi,

I am glad you were able to provide a solution for this problem. Is using the 
expressions for pizz., arco, etc. provided by Finale an example of the use of 
HP?
 
Thanks,
Michael Mathew
mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com
http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl
http://oregonmts.com/mathew/



On Sunday, February 9, 2014 8:44 AM, David Froom dfr...@smcm.edu wrote:
 
Hi Gerald,
I've done this when, for one reason or another, HP frustrates me, or controls 
don't work exactly as planned. For example, for violin harmonics, I like to use 
a non-vibrato piccolo.

The easiest way to do it is to set up the different sounds you want on 
different tracks. You can put an invisible expression in (either blank, or with 
a name that you hide). When you make the expression, under playback, you set it 
change the channel. Finale/Garritan can have four banks of 16 channels each, 
numbered (under playback channels in the the expression playback section) 1-16, 
17-32, 33-48, 49-60. So you set up the Aria player with exactly the sound you 
want on separate channels, then create the channel-changing expressions, then 
pop them in. And don't forget to create an expression to change back to the 
primary sound!

David Froom

On 8 Feb 2014, at 1:00 PM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote:

 Hi all
 This may be really old news to you all but I am flummoxed.?
 
 Is there a way to create an expression tool keyswitch for the Garrison 
 instruments -- violin arco to pizz. (for example) --- without relying on the 
 human playback function to recognize it? ?
 
 HP is a end result product I'd rather avoid while composing. ?
 
 I have a bad feeling this is only solvable via layers. ?True?
 
 ?TIA
 
 GJB



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[Finale] Garritan keyswitching without HP

[GERALD BERG]

Hi all
This may be really old news to you all but I am flummoxed. 

Is there a way to create an expression tool keyswitch for the Garrison 
instruments -- violin arco to pizz. (for example) --- without relying on the 
human playback function to recognize it?  

HP is a end result product I'd rather avoid while composing.  

I have a bad feeling this is only solvable via layers.  True?

 TIA

GJB
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Re: [Finale] Garritan keyswitching without HP

[Michael Mathew]

Hi,

I seem to be able to obtain the effect using the expressions as provided by 
Finale?

And I didn't have to use the keyswitches.

Michael Mathew 
mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com
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http://oregonmts.com/mathew/



On Friday, February 7, 2014 4:16 PM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote:
 
Hi all
This may be really old news to you all but I am flummoxed. 

Is there a way to create an expression tool keyswitch for the Garrison 
instruments -- violin arco to pizz. (for example) --- without relying on the 
human playback function to recognize it?  

HP is a end result product I'd rather avoid while composing.  

I have a bad feeling this is only solvable via layers.  True?

 TIA

GJB
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[Finale] Garritan libraries

[Dalvin Boone]

I would like to have better sounding Finale files;  are the Garritan
libraries a significant improvement over what comes with Finale, and are
they generally worth $99.95 (each)?

Dalvin Boone 


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Re: [Finale] Garritan libraries

[Girard Bowe]

I asked this question early this month, and the consensus seemed to be that
at $75 (the sale price then), it was worth it, although few seemed to be
able to replicate the quality of the samples on the Garritan site, or the
samples used by Chuck Israels for his Exploring Jazz Arranging book. I'm
thinking you'd get better results if you were using the Garritan sounds with
a DAW rather than a notation program.

That said, I bit at the $75 price for the Jazz  Big Band collection, and I
found a significant improvement in sounds and volume. Perhaps it is because
I spent a bit more time with the Aria player once I purchased JABB, but in
any case, I'm glad I went for it.

Most of my work is transcribing and arranging for smaller horn sections with
rhythm section, and I use playback as an audible spellcheck, so I don't need
commercial quality playback, but it's nice having something that sounds
closer than the resident Finale Garritan sounds. The trumpet sounds still
suffer most, but are an improvement.

You'll have to decide if it's worth waiting another year to save another $25
- assuming they'll offer another half-price sale next Christmas. I think I'd
still be pleased had I spent $99.

Giz

|-Original Message-
|From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
|Dalvin Boone
|Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 6:57 PM
|To: Finale@shsu.edu
|Subject: [Finale] Garritan libraries
|
|I would like to have better sounding Finale files;  are the Garritan
libraries a
|significant improvement over what comes with Finale, and are they generally
|worth $99.95 (each)? 


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Re: [Finale] Garritan libraries

[Chuck Israels]

Glad you are happy with this.  Just so all who read this understand, I wasn't 
the one who manipulated the Garritan sounds for the arranging book.  Gary found 
a smart and musical guy from Brescia, Robert Soggeti, who did all that good 
work.

Chuck


On Dec 26, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Girard Bowe girard.b...@verizon.net wrote:

 I asked this question early this month, and the consensus seemed to be that
 at $75 (the sale price then), it was worth it, although few seemed to be
 able to replicate the quality of the samples on the Garritan site, or the
 samples used by Chuck Israels for his Exploring Jazz Arranging book. I'm
 thinking you'd get better results if you were using the Garritan sounds with
 a DAW rather than a notation program.
 
 That said, I bit at the $75 price for the Jazz  Big Band collection, and I
 found a significant improvement in sounds and volume. Perhaps it is because
 I spent a bit more time with the Aria player once I purchased JABB, but in
 any case, I'm glad I went for it.
 
 Most of my work is transcribing and arranging for smaller horn sections with
 rhythm section, and I use playback as an audible spellcheck, so I don't need
 commercial quality playback, but it's nice having something that sounds
 closer than the resident Finale Garritan sounds. The trumpet sounds still
 suffer most, but are an improvement.
 
 You'll have to decide if it's worth waiting another year to save another $25
 - assuming they'll offer another half-price sale next Christmas. I think I'd
 still be pleased had I spent $99.
 
 Giz
 
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 |Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 6:57 PM
 |To: Finale@shsu.edu
 |Subject: [Finale] Garritan libraries
 |
 |I would like to have better sounding Finale files;  are the Garritan
 libraries a
 |significant improvement over what comes with Finale, and are they generally
 |worth $99.95 (each)? 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Garritan libraries

[Dalvin Boone]

Thanks for the advice.

db

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Girard Bowe
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 7:32 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan libraries

I asked this question early this month, and the consensus seemed to be that
at $75 (the sale price then), it was worth it, although few seemed to be
able to replicate the quality of the samples on the Garritan site, or the
samples used by Chuck Israels for his Exploring Jazz Arranging book. I'm
thinking you'd get better results if you were using the Garritan sounds with
a DAW rather than a notation program.

That said, I bit at the $75 price for the Jazz  Big Band collection, and I
found a significant improvement in sounds and volume. Perhaps it is because
I spent a bit more time with the Aria player once I purchased JABB, but in
any case, I'm glad I went for it.

Most of my work is transcribing and arranging for smaller horn sections with
rhythm section, and I use playback as an audible spellcheck, so I don't need
commercial quality playback, but it's nice having something that sounds
closer than the resident Finale Garritan sounds. The trumpet sounds still
suffer most, but are an improvement.

You'll have to decide if it's worth waiting another year to save another $25
- assuming they'll offer another half-price sale next Christmas. I think I'd
still be pleased had I spent $99.

Giz

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|From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
|Behalf Of Dalvin Boone
|Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 6:57 PM
|To: Finale@shsu.edu
|Subject: [Finale] Garritan libraries
|
|I would like to have better sounding Finale files;  are the Garritan
libraries a
|significant improvement over what comes with Finale, and are they 
|generally worth $99.95 (each)?


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[Finale] Garritan Contrabass Clarinet

[Ryan]

When I choose Contrabass Clarinet as an instrument in the score manager,
Finale assigns the Solo Bb Clarinet sound. That ends up not playing back
since the pitches are below the Bb Clarinet's range. I can change the sound
to Bass Clarinet, but there's still an extra lower octave I'm not getting.
Is there a Garritan Contrabass Clarinet sound available? Is there a way I
can force Finale to play back those low pitches using the Bass Clarinet
sound?
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Re: [Finale] Garritan Contrabass Clarinet

[David H. Bailey]

On 12/15/2013 3:39 PM, Ryan wrote:
 When I choose Contrabass Clarinet as an instrument in the score manager,
 Finale assigns the Solo Bb Clarinet sound. That ends up not playing back
 since the pitches are below the Bb Clarinet's range. I can change the sound
 to Bass Clarinet, but there's still an extra lower octave I'm not getting.
 Is there a Garritan Contrabass Clarinet sound available? Is there a way I
 can force Finale to play back those low pitches using the Bass Clarinet
 sound?

Sampled instruments in general can not be played below or above the 
ranges they are sampled at -- so there's no way to get the Bass Clarinet 
to play that lower octave.

As to whether there's a Garritan contrabass clarinet, you'd have to 
check the various libraries that Garritan sells.  I'd be surprised if it 
isn't in one of them.  But you would have to pay extra and buy the whole 
library -- you can't buy individual instruments.

-- 
David H. Bailey
dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
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Re: [Finale] Garritan Contrabass Clarinet

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, December 15, 2013 4:01 pm, David H. Bailey wrote:
 Sampled instruments in general can not be played below or above the
 ranges they are sampled at -- so there's no way to get the Bass Clarinet
 to play that lower octave.

They can be, but it requires changing two text files. Look back in this list
for my instruction on how to do it. The samples will sound awkward because all
it does is extend the range of the bottom- or top-most note, but at least the
pitch will be there if you need it. In the previous Garritan, I had to do it
for alto  bass flute and Eb clarinet. Two of those are in the new set.

And IIRC, there is a bass clarinet in Garritan.

Dennis




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Re: [Finale] Garritan Contrabass Clarinet

[Raymond Horton]

Garritan Concert and Marching Band has a contrabass clarinet.

Raymond Horton
Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
Composer, Arranger
VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote:

 When I choose Contrabass Clarinet as an instrument in the score manager,
 Finale assigns the Solo Bb Clarinet sound. That ends up not playing back
 since the pitches are below the Bb Clarinet's range. I can change the sound
 to Bass Clarinet, but there's still an extra lower octave I'm not getting.
 Is there a Garritan Contrabass Clarinet sound available? Is there a way I
 can force Finale to play back those low pitches using the Bass Clarinet
 sound?
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Re: [Finale] Garritan Contrabass Clarinet

[Darcy James Argue]

So does Garritan Personal Orchestra.

Cheers,

- DJA
-
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On Dec 15, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

 Garritan Concert and Marching Band has a contrabass clarinet.
 
 Raymond Horton
 Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
 Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
 Composer, Arranger
 VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
 
 
 On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 When I choose Contrabass Clarinet as an instrument in the score manager,
 Finale assigns the Solo Bb Clarinet sound. That ends up not playing back
 since the pitches are below the Bb Clarinet's range. I can change the sound
 to Bass Clarinet, but there's still an extra lower octave I'm not getting.
 Is there a Garritan Contrabass Clarinet sound available? Is there a way I
 can force Finale to play back those low pitches using the Bass Clarinet
 sound?
 Thanks
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Re: [Finale] Garritan Sale

[David H. Bailey]

On 12/4/2013 12:49 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
 To amplify Chuck's point, it's important to understand that the musical 
 samples using the JABB library on the Garritan site were not generated from 
 Finale. They were created using digital audio workstation software, which is 
 really the environment for which these samples were originally designed.


And even then, using the DAW software that Darcy mentions, there was a 
lot of tweaking by professionals.

As with anything in life, to get great results usually great effort is 
required.  That's especially true in the musical world.

So if you don't already own DAW software and have learned all the 
minutiae of possible tweaks and the use of plug-ins, etc. to assist in 
getting the desired sound, don't run out and buy one expecting the JABB 
sounds to immediately sound better.

One can hope that since MakeMusic bought Garritan they will better 
incorporate the use of Garritan sounds into Finale and will give us 
greater control so that in some future version of Finale we'll all be 
better able to get great results without having to export our files to a 
DAW in order to sound like those demo files.

-- 
David H. Bailey
dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
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Re: [Finale] Garritan Sale

[Craig Parmerlee]

I agree 100% with what Chuck said. Without tweaking, it is pretty lame.  
I struggle with the volume levels.  I really have to work to get 
anything heard in the mix. Spreading out the stereo field helps a lot.  
Adjusting the way Finale interprets articulations, especially the 
marcato mark, helps, but not nearly as much as I had hoped.

In other instrument libraries, you hear a real difference in timbre from 
the low velocities to the high velocities.  For example, really 
hammering on a piano doesn't sound anything like delicate playing.  The 
winds have the same degree of variation -- if not a lot more -- and none 
of that seems to come through with the Garritan sounds.  It is 
particularly frustrating with a shout chorus that is common in big 
band charts.  In those sections, you expect the winds (especially the 
brass) to really sizzle, but you will probably not achieve anything like 
that effect with the JABB library.

I don't know that there is a better solution out there.  Maybe 
technology just hasn't progressed enough yet. It does seem to have 
progressed (in other libraries) with pianos, guitars, basses, drum kits, 
and strings.

Nonetheless, I agree that it is worth $75.  It is going to be better 
than MIDI playback without any tweaking.


On 12/3/2013 1:03 AM, Chuck Israels wrote:
 The JABB sounds are better but not great. Piano, bass, drums, guitar and 
 baritone sax are good. Clarinet, bass clarinet and flute are good. Upper 
 saxes and brass are a lot less good.  We expect (justifiably) such nuance and 
 shaping of those sounds in the jazz style that it is probably too much to 
 expect to think that static samples would be satisfactory.  All in all, the 
 sounds are helpful to me. I have learned to estimate pretty well what a good 
 band will sound like from the JABB kazoos, but you have to make some balance 
 adjustments in the mixer. The trombones are far too loud for the rest of the 
 sounds. My take is that they are worth $75.

 Hope this helps.

 Chuck

 Chuck Israels
 (360) 201-3434
 Sent from my iPad


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Re: [Finale] Garritan Sale

[Williams, Jim]

Part of this situation may well involve Human Playback. It still is NOT clear 
to me that HP interprets dynamics correctly/wisely. It seems to use a 
combination of CC7 volume and CC1 modwheel. Under that circumstance, the tone 
of winds and brass will not change as much as it would if CC1 dominated the 
dynamics.

The tradeoff with Garritan samples is cost, integration with Finale, and 
library size versus expressive capability.
To that end, the samples were designed such that velocity controlled attack for 
winds and brass instead of having various attack samples, and CC1 controlled 
volume AND added brightness via filter as dynamics increased (instead of using 
multi-velocity-layer samples). The samples were also offered dry, in order to 
allow users to control the sound environment.

Of course, ANY sample library will sound bad out of the box. Having said that, 
I will also express an opinion that MM has done a very poor job of integrating 
Garriten instruments into the operation of Finale. Furthermore, HP remains a 
black box with limited customization, and the MIDI Tool--the ideal place to do 
tweaking--has remained unchanged since I first bought Finale 2.0 in 1989 or so. 
Configuration files and essential XML files are strewn about a user's hard 
drive instead of having a central location, and simple typos in XML files 
prohibit users from loading instruments properly.

When MM acquired Garritan's IP, I hoped for seamless integration into Finale. 
If anything, it's gotten worse instead of better.

James C. Williams, MBA, CFP
E. B. Lacy Professor of Business
Franklin College
Euphonium Player Around several Towns


From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] on behalf of Craig 
Parmerlee [cr...@parmerlee.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 2:09 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan Sale

I agree 100% with what Chuck said. Without tweaking, it is pretty lame.
I struggle with the volume levels.  I really have to work to get
anything heard in the mix. Spreading out the stereo field helps a lot.
Adjusting the way Finale interprets articulations, especially the
marcato mark, helps, but not nearly as much as I had hoped.

In other instrument libraries, you hear a real difference in timbre from
the low velocities to the high velocities.  For example, really
hammering on a piano doesn't sound anything like delicate playing.  The
winds have the same degree of variation -- if not a lot more -- and none
of that seems to come through with the Garritan sounds.  It is
particularly frustrating with a shout chorus that is common in big
band charts.  In those sections, you expect the winds (especially the
brass) to really sizzle, but you will probably not achieve anything like
that effect with the JABB library.

I don't know that there is a better solution out there.  Maybe
technology just hasn't progressed enough yet. It does seem to have
progressed (in other libraries) with pianos, guitars, basses, drum kits,
and strings.

Nonetheless, I agree that it is worth $75.  It is going to be better
than MIDI playback without any tweaking.


On 12/3/2013 1:03 AM, Chuck Israels wrote:
 The JABB sounds are better but not great. Piano, bass, drums, guitar and 
 baritone sax are good. Clarinet, bass clarinet and flute are good. Upper 
 saxes and brass are a lot less good.  We expect (justifiably) such nuance and 
 shaping of those sounds in the jazz style that it is probably too much to 
 expect to think that static samples would be satisfactory.  All in all, the 
 sounds are helpful to me. I have learned to estimate pretty well what a good 
 band will sound like from the JABB kazoos, but you have to make some balance 
 adjustments in the mixer. The trombones are far too loud for the rest of the 
 sounds. My take is that they are worth $75.

 Hope this helps.

 Chuck

 Chuck Israels
 (360) 201-3434
 Sent from my iPad


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Re: [Finale] Garritan Sale

[Craig Parmerlee]

If I could insert my own reverb on a track by track basis ...

If I could insert my own compressors ...

If I could use a transient shaper VST ...

It could sound a lot more like what people are accustomed to hearing.  
Hopefully in some Finale release soon.



On 12/3/2013 2:37 PM, Williams, Jim wrote:
 Part of this situation may well involve Human Playback. It still is NOT clear 
 to me that HP interprets dynamics correctly/wisely. It seems to use a 
 combination of CC7 volume and CC1 modwheel. Under that circumstance, the tone 
 of winds and brass will not change as much as it would if CC1 dominated the 
 dynamics.

 The tradeoff with Garritan samples is cost, integration with Finale, and 
 library size versus expressive capability.
 To that end, the samples were designed such that velocity controlled attack 
 for winds and brass instead of having various attack samples, and CC1 
 controlled volume AND added brightness via filter as dynamics increased 
 (instead of using multi-velocity-layer samples). The samples were also 
 offered dry, in order to allow users to control the sound environment.

 Of course, ANY sample library will sound bad out of the box. Having said 
 that, I will also express an opinion that MM has done a very poor job of 
 integrating Garriten instruments into the operation of Finale. Furthermore, 
 HP remains a black box with limited customization, and the MIDI Tool--the 
 ideal place to do tweaking--has remained unchanged since I first bought 
 Finale 2.0 in 1989 or so. Configuration files and essential XML files are 
 strewn about a user's hard drive instead of having a central location, and 
 simple typos in XML files prohibit users from loading instruments properly.

 When MM acquired Garritan's IP, I hoped for seamless integration into Finale. 
 If anything, it's gotten worse instead of better.

 James C. Williams, MBA, CFP
 E. B. Lacy Professor of Business
 Franklin College
 Euphonium Player Around several Towns


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Re: [Finale] Garritan Sale

[Girard Bowe]

Thanks for all the replies. Chuck weighed in first last night before the
sale ran out, so Garritan JABB3 is on my desktop waiting to be opened.

Check out the samples on the Garritan site:

http://www.garritan.com/products/jazz-big-band-3/

How much tweaking had to be done here?

Can anyone point me to some self-help resources for setting up  maximizing
Garritan JABB?

Thanks again!

Giz
Richmond VA

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|From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
|Craig Parmerlee
|Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 2:10 PM
|To: finale@shsu.edu
|Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan Sale
|
|I agree 100% with what Chuck said. Without tweaking, it is pretty lame.
|I struggle with the volume levels.  I really have to work to get anything
heard in
|the mix. Spreading out the stereo field helps a lot. 


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Re: [Finale] Garritan Sale

[Chuck Israels]

Don't know how to measure the amount of tweaking to get Margot's Mood to sound 
like that, but I can tell you I couldn't even imagine how it was done.  I know 
Robert Sogetti did the work on the Garritan examples in my arranging book (Gary 
Garritan instigated the writing of the book, found and hired Robert to do the 
work) and the results are pretty musical. Again, no idea what goes into that, 
but it's a lot. 

Chuck Israels
(360) 201-3434
Sent from my iPad

 On Dec 3, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Girard Bowe girard.b...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 Thanks for all the replies. Chuck weighed in first last night before the
 sale ran out, so Garritan JABB3 is on my desktop waiting to be opened.
 
 Check out the samples on the Garritan site:
 
 http://www.garritan.com/products/jazz-big-band-3/
 
 How much tweaking had to be done here?
 
 Can anyone point me to some self-help resources for setting up  maximizing
 Garritan JABB?
 
 Thanks again!
 
 Giz
 Richmond VA
 
 |-Original Message-
 |From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
 |Craig Parmerlee
 |Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 2:10 PM
 |To: finale@shsu.edu
 |Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan Sale
 |
 |I agree 100% with what Chuck said. Without tweaking, it is pretty lame.
 |I struggle with the volume levels.  I really have to work to get anything
 heard in
 |the mix. Spreading out the stereo field helps a lot. 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Garritan Sale

[Darcy James Argue]

To amplify Chuck's point, it's important to understand that the musical samples 
using the JABB library on the Garritan site were not generated from Finale. 
They were created using digital audio workstation software, which is really the 
environment for which these samples were originally designed.

Cheers,

- DJA
-
WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org

On Dec 4, 2013, at 12:01 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:

 Don't know how to measure the amount of tweaking to get Margot's Mood to 
 sound like that, but I can tell you I couldn't even imagine how it was done.  
 I know Robert Sogetti did the work on the Garritan examples in my arranging 
 book (Gary Garritan instigated the writing of the book, found and hired 
 Robert to do the work) and the results are pretty musical. Again, no idea 
 what goes into that, but it's a lot. 
 
 Chuck Israels
 (360) 201-3434
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Dec 3, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Girard Bowe girard.b...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 Thanks for all the replies. Chuck weighed in first last night before the
 sale ran out, so Garritan JABB3 is on my desktop waiting to be opened.
 
 Check out the samples on the Garritan site:
 
 http://www.garritan.com/products/jazz-big-band-3/
 
 How much tweaking had to be done here?
 
 Can anyone point me to some self-help resources for setting up  maximizing
 Garritan JABB?
 
 Thanks again!
 
 Giz
 Richmond VA
 
 |-Original Message-
 |From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
 |Craig Parmerlee
 |Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 2:10 PM
 |To: finale@shsu.edu
 |Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan Sale
 |
 |I agree 100% with what Chuck said. Without tweaking, it is pretty lame.
 |I struggle with the volume levels.  I really have to work to get anything
 heard in
 |the mix. Spreading out the stereo field helps a lot. 
 
 
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[Finale] Garritan Sale

[Girard Bowe]

Just got in and saw that Garritan is offering 50% off their JABB set for
CyberMonday. I'm wondering if those sounds are any better than the
Finale/Garritan sounds. The trumpet, sax  trombone sound synthesized -
they're just terrible. However, the samples on the website are killer. If
they're the same sounds, how much tweaking has to be done to get them to
sound right?

 

I don't need a bunch of special effects; I don't need a bunch of obscure
instruments. If I could get decent horn sounds easily, it would be worth $75
to me.

 

Just wondering if anybody has any insight. And if good sounds are possible
from the resident Garritan setup in Finale 2014, how do I get them?

 

If anyone has a quick answer, that would be great. I've got till 12 CST to
take advantage of the sale.

 

Thanks!

 

Giz

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Re: [Finale] Garritan Sale

[Chuck Israels]

The JABB sounds are better but not great. Piano, bass, drums, guitar and 
baritone sax are good. Clarinet, bass clarinet and flute are good. Upper saxes 
and brass are a lot less good.  We expect (justifiably) such nuance and shaping 
of those sounds in the jazz style that it is probably too much to expect to 
think that static samples would be satisfactory.  All in all, the sounds are 
helpful to me. I have learned to estimate pretty well what a good band will 
sound like from the JABB kazoos, but you have to make some balance adjustments 
in the mixer. The trombones are far too loud for the rest of the sounds. My 
take is that they are worth $75. 

Hope this helps. 

Chuck

Chuck Israels
(360) 201-3434
Sent from my iPad

 On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Girard Bowe girard.b...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 Just got in and saw that Garritan is offering 50% off their JABB set for
 CyberMonday. I'm wondering if those sounds are any better than the
 Finale/Garritan sounds. The trumpet, sax  trombone sound synthesized -
 they're just terrible. However, the samples on the website are killer. If
 they're the same sounds, how much tweaking has to be done to get them to
 sound right?
 
 
 
 I don't need a bunch of special effects; I don't need a bunch of obscure
 instruments. If I could get decent horn sounds easily, it would be worth $75
 to me.
 
 
 
 Just wondering if anybody has any insight. And if good sounds are possible
 from the resident Garritan setup in Finale 2014, how do I get them?
 
 
 
 If anyone has a quick answer, that would be great. I've got till 12 CST to
 take advantage of the sale.
 
 
 
 Thanks!
 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] garritan not available?

[Ryan]

OK, I finally got around to reinstalling as you suggested above. However,
Garritan is still not showing up as an option in the score manager's Device
list.
Suggestions?


On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 7:17 AM, J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com wrote:

 I had a situation recently, not involving playback, and MM tech support
 recommended I uninstall then reinstall.  There is a procedure that is
 pretty easy, just follow the steps.  This was from a MM email:

 Thanks for your call today. If the restart does not clear the saving
 issue, then we'll need to look at a complete uninstall and reinstall Finale
 on the new admin account your recently created. Please refer to the steps
 below:

 1. Open your Mac's Applications folder.
 2. In the Applications folder, find your Finale 2012 icon and drag it to
 the trash. Locate any Finale 2012 icons on your Desktop or Dock and move
 them to the Trash as well,
 3. In Finder, navigate to Go menu  Go to Folder. Type or copy  paste the
 following location:
 ~/library/preferences
 4. In your user Preferences folder, find a file named Finale 2012
 Preferences. Drag it into the trash.
 5. Also in this folder, you may find a file named Finale 2012 Keymaps
 (this may or may not exist depending on your system). Drag it to the trash.
 6. In Finder, navigate to Go menu  Go to Folder. Type or copy  paste the
 following location:
 ~/library/application support/makemusic
 Drag the Finale 2012 folder to the trash
 7. In Finder, navigate to Go menu  Go to Folder. Type or copy  paste the
 following location:
 /library/application support/makemusic
 Drag the Finale 2012 folder to the trash
 8. In Finder, navigate to Go menu  Go to Folder. Type or copy  paste the
 following location:
 /library/preferences
 9. In your system Preferences folder, find and delete these two files:
 Finale 2012 UpdateCheck.txt
 Finale 2012 InstallerVersion.txt
 10. In Finder, navigate to Go menu  Go to Folder. Type or copy  paste
 the following location:
 /library/receipts
 11. In your Receipts folder, find and delete the following files:
 Any files named Fin2kpkg
 Any files named MakeMusicFont.pkg
 12. Empty your trash.
 13. Restart your computer.


 On Aug 9, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Ryan Beard ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote:

  Do I need to uninstall by trashing appropriate files? Or can I just run
 the complete installer again?
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
  On Aug 9, 2013, at 11:31 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com
 wrote:
 
  Reinstall everything. (There is another solution but this is faster and
 simpler.)
 
  Cheers,
 
  - DJA
  -
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  On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:25 AM, Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  When I installed Fin2012 on my Mac initially, I performed a custom
 install
  and chose not to install Garritan since I wasn't that interested in
  playback and to save space on my machine. Now I have a new bigger
 faster
  machine, and I'd like to use Garritan. I downloaded the installer from
  MakeMusic, and this time just custom installed the Garritan player.
  I expected that Garritan instruments would have been available to me
 in the
  Score Manger, but only SoftSynth player shows. I did restart the
 machine,
  but that didn't have any effect.
  What am I missing?
  Thanks
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Re: [Finale] garritan not available?

[Ryan]

Clarification:
I can get Garritan instruments to show up in new documents started from
scratch, but not in existing documents or from the template.


On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote:

 OK, I finally got around to reinstalling as you suggested above. However,
 Garritan is still not showing up as an option in the score manager's Device
 list.
 Suggestions?


 On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 7:17 AM, J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com wrote:

 I had a situation recently, not involving playback, and MM tech support
 recommended I uninstall then reinstall.  There is a procedure that is
 pretty easy, just follow the steps.  This was from a MM email:

 Thanks for your call today. If the restart does not clear the saving
 issue, then we'll need to look at a complete uninstall and reinstall Finale
 on the new admin account your recently created. Please refer to the steps
 below:

 1. Open your Mac's Applications folder.
 2. In the Applications folder, find your Finale 2012 icon and drag it to
 the trash. Locate any Finale 2012 icons on your Desktop or Dock and move
 them to the Trash as well,
 3. In Finder, navigate to Go menu  Go to Folder. Type or copy  paste
 the following location:
 ~/library/preferences
 4. In your user Preferences folder, find a file named Finale 2012
 Preferences. Drag it into the trash.
 5. Also in this folder, you may find a file named Finale 2012 Keymaps
 (this may or may not exist depending on your system). Drag it to the trash.
 6. In Finder, navigate to Go menu  Go to Folder. Type or copy  paste
 the following location:
 ~/library/application support/makemusic
 Drag the Finale 2012 folder to the trash
 7. In Finder, navigate to Go menu  Go to Folder. Type or copy  paste
 the following location:
 /library/application support/makemusic
 Drag the Finale 2012 folder to the trash
 8. In Finder, navigate to Go menu  Go to Folder. Type or copy  paste
 the following location:
 /library/preferences
 9. In your system Preferences folder, find and delete these two files:
 Finale 2012 UpdateCheck.txt
 Finale 2012 InstallerVersion.txt
 10. In Finder, navigate to Go menu  Go to Folder. Type or copy  paste
 the following location:
 /library/receipts
 11. In your Receipts folder, find and delete the following files:
 Any files named Fin2kpkg
 Any files named MakeMusicFont.pkg
 12. Empty your trash.
 13. Restart your computer.


 On Aug 9, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Ryan Beard ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote:

  Do I need to uninstall by trashing appropriate files? Or can I just run
 the complete installer again?
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
  On Aug 9, 2013, at 11:31 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com
 wrote:
 
  Reinstall everything. (There is another solution but this is faster
 and simpler.)
 
  Cheers,
 
  - DJA
  -
  WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org
 
  On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:25 AM, Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  When I installed Fin2012 on my Mac initially, I performed a custom
 install
  and chose not to install Garritan since I wasn't that interested in
  playback and to save space on my machine. Now I have a new bigger
 faster
  machine, and I'd like to use Garritan. I downloaded the installer from
  MakeMusic, and this time just custom installed the Garritan player.
  I expected that Garritan instruments would have been available to me
 in the
  Score Manger, but only SoftSynth player shows. I did restart the
 machine,
  but that didn't have any effect.
  What am I missing?
  Thanks
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Re: [Finale] Garritan band library - Avoiding simultaneous attacks

[Craig Parmerlee]

On 4/24/2013 9:09 AM, Williams, Jim wrote:
 5.it is imperative to avoid simultaneous attacks. HP does that to some 
 extent, but I haven't taken the time to determine how much.

How do you do that?  Is that the setting in HP preferences - Tempo 
variations called Don't randomize (exact timing)?

I find that I must keep that box checked on anything that isn't a swing 
tune because even when I have swing values set to zero, HP still plays 
SOME of the voices swingy.  This ruins any Latin tune.  I find this 
uncontrollable urge while sitting at my computer to look back over my 
shoulder and shout at the trumpets Straight eights, dammit!!.  
Fortunately the Garritan trumpet section isn't able to retaliate by 
screeching right into my ears -- at least they haven't so far.  So you 
see, that is clear evidence that HP isn't like real trumpet players.  :)

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Re: [Finale] Garritan band library - Avoiding simultaneous attacks

[Christopher Smith]

On Sun May 5, at SundayMay 5 11:20 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:

 I find this 
 uncontrollable urge while sitting at my computer to look back over my 
 shoulder and shout at the trumpets Straight eights, dammit!!.  

Try yelling Even eighths instead. Maybe the HP, like some trumpet players, 
thinks that straight is a pejorative term.

;-)

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Re: [Finale] Garritan band library - Avoiding simultaneous attacks

[Williams, Jim]

Craig...
several functions are in play here.

First, as mentioned earlier, HP does some randomization of note-on and -off 
times, but I haven't looked at a MIDI file to see how much. Wait until I finish 
writing my final exams!!

Unfortunately, making many of these adjustments requires use of Finale's MIDI 
tool, which AFAIK has not changed one bit since Finale 2.0, with which I 
started in 1989 or so.

As you may know, Finale chops up a quarter note into 1024 parts (EDUs), unlike 
any other program. If you go into the MIDI tool, there is a randomize function 
for note starts and ends. Apply a few EDUs of randomization if you think HP 
doesn't add enough.

BUT:
1. You will have to tell HP to look at this MIDI data and incorporate it into 
HP.
2. You must be VERY alert to repeated pitches and make sure they don't overlap, 
which can happen frequently. Two same notes, if overlapped, will kill playback 
of the second note.

ALSO: 
1. If you want certain parts of a piece swung and others straight, you can 
always use the APPLY HP plug-in in regions as necessary.
2. If you intend to export MIDI to a DAW, then using the APPLY HP plug-in is a 
MUST. Normal HP is NOT saved upon export to MIDI, whereas anything coming from 
the plug-in IS saved.
3. If your sections are behaving oddly, make sure that they do not consist of 
16ths. If you want swung 16ths, make sure to make the time signature 8/8 but 
make it display as 4/4.
4. The random movement of faders you noticed is a function of HP, and evidently 
occurs at times even if no particular instruction is on the score.
5. HP seems to use BOTH volume AND velocity to create dynamics. I question that 
procedure.
6. It takes some experimentation to find the right level of base channel volume 
for a given instrument because every ensemble is unique and necessary base 
volume level is a function of the context in which an instrument might appear. 
Once you find that proper balance, set it in the Score Manager and use dynamics 
in Finale for the rest.
7. HP is not necessarily as smart as we'd like it to be in all occasions, so it 
is frequently necessary to mark up a score very heavily to achieve your desired 
results...and in some cases, HP seems to impose its intelligence in a 
questionable manner and/or at questionable times.
8. The arcane nature of the MIDI tool impedes/prevents a lot of expressivity 
that Finale could achieve had any attention been paid to that tool since 1989. 
IMHO it is the most user-unfriendly part of Finale since the TCD Watershed Bit 
setting disappeared. ;-0  Given that the code seems to be undergoing a major 
update/rewrite, perhaps now's the time to really advocate for an improvement in 
the MIDI tool.
9. Having said all the above, it's still unclear to me whether putting up with 
HP is better or worse than putting up with real trumpet players. ;-)
Jim

James C. Williams, MBA, CFP
E. B. Lacy Professor of Business
Franklin College
Euphonium Player Around several Towns


From: Craig Parmerlee [cr...@acticalc.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 11:20 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Cc: Williams, Jim
Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan band library - Avoiding simultaneous attacks

On 4/24/2013 9:09 AM, Williams, Jim wrote:
 5.it is imperative to avoid simultaneous attacks. HP does that to some 
 extent, but I haven't taken the time to determine how much.

How do you do that?  Is that the setting in HP preferences - Tempo
variations called Don't randomize (exact timing)?

I find that I must keep that box checked on anything that isn't a swing
tune because even when I have swing values set to zero, HP still plays
SOME of the voices swingy.  This ruins any Latin tune.  I find this
uncontrollable urge while sitting at my computer to look back over my
shoulder and shout at the trumpets Straight eights, dammit!!.
Fortunately the Garritan trumpet section isn't able to retaliate by
screeching right into my ears -- at least they haven't so far.  So you
see, that is clear evidence that HP isn't like real trumpet players.  :)

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[Finale] Garritan question - Big Band brass sounds

[Craig Parmerlee]

I have JABB V3 (the current version.  I think the saxes and various 
basses are pretty good.  Trumpets are horrendous -- sound more like a 
reed organ than a trumpet..  I have worked mostly with the individual 
trumpet sounds of the notation - keyswitch category. so maybe some of 
the other trumpet sounds are better.

The trumpet harmon mute sound is good but I can't get any accents. The 
straight mute sound really isn't usable at all.  Bucket is mediocre.

Overall, there are basic problems with HP in this setting.  The most 
annoying one for me is that HP doesn't observe the marcato accent (the 
upside down V) correctly.  In big band, this will always be an 
indication of a sharp punch -- never a long note -- always separation.  
But HP plays it as a long note that is hardly separated at all.  And I 
can't hear any difference between a passage with out slur and with 
slur.  These aren't little nuances.  They are essential qualities of big 
band style.  I'd say the JABB set is a little better than MIDI playback, 
but without hours of tweaking, it is nothing like a realistic sound.

That's the critical view.  Now, for the supportive view.  Even though it 
is nothing like the hype, I personally find it a good enough quality 
that it does help me hear things that I would have missed with MIDI 
playback -- not just bad notes, but weak viocings and phrasing.  I have 
made numerous improvements to arrangements that, realistically, I never 
would have had time to make if I had to run it by a live band first.  So 
despite its shortcomings, it is worth the money for me.

My own mileage varies.
Craig




On 5/2/2013 10:22 PM, Girard Bowe wrote:

 And has anybody heard anything more atrocious than Finale's on-board
 Garritan sounds for brass? Does Garritan JABB sound any better? If so, how
 much tweaking is involved? Is there another jazz band sound option which
 doesn't cost an arm and a leg?

 Giz
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Re: [Finale] Garritan question - Big Band brass sounds

[Williams, Jim]

Hi Craig...
How's your cimbasso? ;-)

It does take a fair amount of processing to make any sound library work. 

What are you doing with respect to panning? That can help greatly. So can 
reverb--how are you routing it? Are you using the stereo stage feature of ARIA?
How about EQ?
Also--what are you listening on? Computer speakers or studio monitors, or 
something in between?
It is absolutely essential to stagger attack times by a few ticks as well. HP 
does that to some extent, but perhaps not enough.

People sometimes set out of the box expectations for sound libraries too 
high, which may lead to frustration.

Perhaps if you bring your computer down to Franklin and buy me a couple pints 
of Guinness, we can discover some settings you like. ;-)

Some of us either make two scores (one for print  one for playback) or enter a 
lot of invisible markings on one score.
Take a bit if time to experiment and I'll bet your frustration levels fall.

Jim


Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On May 3, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:

 I have JABB V3 (the current version.  I think the saxes and various 
 basses are pretty good.  Trumpets are horrendous -- sound more like a 
 reed organ than a trumpet..  I have worked mostly with the individual 
 trumpet sounds of the notation - keyswitch category. so maybe some of 
 the other trumpet sounds are better.
 
 The trumpet harmon mute sound is good but I can't get any accents. The 
 straight mute sound really isn't usable at all.  Bucket is mediocre.
 
 Overall, there are basic problems with HP in this setting.  The most 
 annoying one for me is that HP doesn't observe the marcato accent (the 
 upside down V) correctly.  In big band, this will always be an 
 indication of a sharp punch -- never a long note -- always separation.  
 But HP plays it as a long note that is hardly separated at all.  And I 
 can't hear any difference between a passage with out slur and with 
 slur.  These aren't little nuances.  They are essential qualities of big 
 band style.  I'd say the JABB set is a little better than MIDI playback, 
 but without hours of tweaking, it is nothing like a realistic sound.
 
 That's the critical view.  Now, for the supportive view.  Even though it 
 is nothing like the hype, I personally find it a good enough quality 
 that it does help me hear things that I would have missed with MIDI 
 playback -- not just bad notes, but weak viocings and phrasing.  I have 
 made numerous improvements to arrangements that, realistically, I never 
 would have had time to make if I had to run it by a live band first.  So 
 despite its shortcomings, it is worth the money for me.
 
 My own mileage varies.
 Craig
 
 
 
 
 On 5/2/2013 10:22 PM, Girard Bowe wrote:
 
 And has anybody heard anything more atrocious than Finale's on-board
 Garritan sounds for brass? Does Garritan JABB sound any better? If so, how
 much tweaking is involved? Is there another jazz band sound option which
 doesn't cost an arm and a leg?
 
 Giz
 Richmond VA
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Garritan question - Big Band brass sounds

[Chuck Israels]

Craig,

I agree that these sounds improve the chance of catching orchestration and 
composition errors, but they do require the suspension of disbelief in order to 
interpret the results of Finale playback and imagine how a band will sound.  

When I wrote an arranging book for Garritan using these sounds, Gary found 
Robert Soggetti to massage the examples and render them more realistic.  It is 
possible to do this with reasonably good results (he did), but I can only 
imagine the amount of work involved, and I don't believe it is done in Finale. 

 Jim makes some good suggestions, balance and panning being more important to 
me than the staggering of attacks.  Bass #2 is one of my basses, and it sounds 
quite accurate - perhaps improved in evenness, but in this case the attack is 
unrelenting - no nuance.  I know I don't play like that.  Trumpets are mostly 
unrealistic, trombones only slightly better (and all the samples sound better 
in massed unison than they do individually or in harmony).  Saxes are subject 
to such variation from player to player, that the samples don't come close for 
me (except for the baritone).  Woodwinds are better and percussion is OK.

I guess I am suggesting that spending time and effort imagining what you want 
to hear and adjusting notation with real players is more rewarding than 
attempts to tweak machines into human behavior.  Once a good performance level 
has been achieved with musicians, there are invigorating variations from 
performance to performance.  Knowing there are people doing it makes all the 
difference.  

Modern conveniences lead us to abandon some of the effort we used to make to 
get face to face with other people, and I admit to the seduction of technology. 
 It's there, everyone is using it, so we think that is the way things must be 
done.  Rehearsals are better, and it's our job to convince players of their 
value - by writing well and directing them well.

My 2c.

Chuck



On May 3, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:

 I have JABB V3 (the current version.  I think the saxes and various 
 basses are pretty good.  Trumpets are horrendous -- sound more like a 
 reed organ than a trumpet..  I have worked mostly with the individual 
 trumpet sounds of the notation - keyswitch category. so maybe some of 
 the other trumpet sounds are better.
 
 The trumpet harmon mute sound is good but I can't get any accents. The 
 straight mute sound really isn't usable at all.  Bucket is mediocre.
 
 Overall, there are basic problems with HP in this setting.  The most 
 annoying one for me is that HP doesn't observe the marcato accent (the 
 upside down V) correctly.  In big band, this will always be an 
 indication of a sharp punch -- never a long note -- always separation.  
 But HP plays it as a long note that is hardly separated at all.  And I 
 can't hear any difference between a passage with out slur and with 
 slur.  These aren't little nuances.  They are essential qualities of big 
 band style.  I'd say the JABB set is a little better than MIDI playback, 
 but without hours of tweaking, it is nothing like a realistic sound.
 
 That's the critical view.  Now, for the supportive view.  Even though it 
 is nothing like the hype, I personally find it a good enough quality 
 that it does help me hear things that I would have missed with MIDI 
 playback -- not just bad notes, but weak viocings and phrasing.  I have 
 made numerous improvements to arrangements that, realistically, I never 
 would have had time to make if I had to run it by a live band first.  So 
 despite its shortcomings, it is worth the money for me.
 
 My own mileage varies.
 Craig
 
 
 
 
 On 5/2/2013 10:22 PM, Girard Bowe wrote:
 
 And has anybody heard anything more atrocious than Finale's on-board
 Garritan sounds for brass? Does Garritan JABB sound any better? If so, how
 much tweaking is involved? Is there another jazz band sound option which
 doesn't cost an arm and a leg?
 
 Giz
 Richmond VA
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Garritan question - Big Band brass sounds

[Christopher Smith]

Craig, 

The articulation playback is determined locally by the articulation definition. 
Open up the articulation definition window, find Playback Effect, choose Change 
Duration from the dropdown menu, and make both Top and Bottom 50% (or more, if 
you like your marcatos extra fat like Montreal Smoked Meat). If Change Attack 
or Change Key Velocity are already edited, it will make the note louder, too. 

These are never set this way in the Finale Defaults, which is a miscalculation 
on their part. Go ahead and change them in your default file.

Christopher


On Fri May 3, at FridayMay 3 10:04 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:

 I have JABB V3 (the current version.  I think the saxes and various 
 basses are pretty good.  Trumpets are horrendous -- sound more like a 
 reed organ than a trumpet..  I have worked mostly with the individual 
 trumpet sounds of the notation - keyswitch category. so maybe some of 
 the other trumpet sounds are better.
 
 The trumpet harmon mute sound is good but I can't get any accents. The 
 straight mute sound really isn't usable at all.  Bucket is mediocre.
 
 Overall, there are basic problems with HP in this setting.  The most 
 annoying one for me is that HP doesn't observe the marcato accent (the 
 upside down V) correctly.  In big band, this will always be an 
 indication of a sharp punch -- never a long note -- always separation.  
 But HP plays it as a long note that is hardly separated at all.  And I 
 can't hear any difference between a passage with out slur and with 
 slur.  These aren't little nuances.  They are essential qualities of big 
 band style.  I'd say the JABB set is a little better than MIDI playback, 
 but without hours of tweaking, it is nothing like a realistic sound.
 
 That's the critical view.  Now, for the supportive view.  Even though it 
 is nothing like the hype, I personally find it a good enough quality 
 that it does help me hear things that I would have missed with MIDI 
 playback -- not just bad notes, but weak viocings and phrasing.  I have 
 made numerous improvements to arrangements that, realistically, I never 
 would have had time to make if I had to run it by a live band first.  So 
 despite its shortcomings, it is worth the money for me.
 
 My own mileage varies.
 Craig
 
 
 
 
 On 5/2/2013 10:22 PM, Girard Bowe wrote:
 
 And has anybody heard anything more atrocious than Finale's on-board
 Garritan sounds for brass? Does Garritan JABB sound any better? If so, how
 much tweaking is involved? Is there another jazz band sound option which
 doesn't cost an arm and a leg?
 
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Re: [Finale] Garritan question - Big Band brass sounds

[Craig Parmerlee]

Hey, come to think of it, there are no cimbasso sounds on the Garritan 
libraries.  How could they have missed that?  :)

I'm not doing many of the things you mentioned. I am using a little 
reverb, but I got frustrated when I couldn't control that from Aria.  
The Aria player has a tab for effects with the Ambiance and Convolution 
reverbs there.  I couldn't get either of those to work.  But if I go 
into the Finale MIDI menu for VST effects, I could bring up Ambiance 
directly and that works, but I don't think it saves those settings. -- 
Exploring further I found that the Aria reverb does work OK.  I just 
wasn't using the sends.  So that is a big improvement because it appears 
to save these reverb settings in the MUS file.

I do use smallish studio-quality Yamaha monitors.

I looked at the Finale mixer and somehow there were lots of different 
pan settings -- seemingly random.  I'll try setting those more like what 
you'd expect to hear from the stage.

I am not intentionally using stereo stage but I see it was set as I 
added instruments.  I'll play with that and the panning controls.  I 
don't doubt that can make a big difference.  I was doing live sound for 
an outdoor concert last summer -- a concert band.  I used one main 
stereo pair behind the conductor and then supplemented with a few 
section mics (basses, percussion, etc).  I had trouble getting the 
saxophones into the mix.  They were at the far left.  I had normally 
used a mono mix because the audience does not sit in the middle of the 
ideal stereo field.  However, as an experiment, I did just a little bit 
of stereo separation and the saxes appeared like magic.  So I'll play 
with this a bit.  The nice thing is that if these settings are saved 
with in the MUS file, once I get one arrangement sounding good, I can 
clone that file for my next project for the same ensemble.

I am really confused about the interaction between Aria and the Finale 
mixer window.  They do not appear linked, but they both seem to have an 
effect.  So maybe I am working at cross-purposes by using both windows.  
Should I just set the Finale mixer to middle vales for volume and pan 
and then do all adjustments in Aria, or vice versa?  I am getting the 
feeling that it is best to work entirely in the Aria app and ignore the 
Finale mixer window. Is that correct?

Thanks for the suggestions, and if you write a piece for either 
double-bell euph or cimbasso, I'm your man.  I have two double-bell 
euphs, so maybe we can do a piece featuring two euphs and 4 bells.


On 5/3/2013 10:35 AM, Williams, Jim wrote:
 Hi Craig...
 How's your cimbasso? ;-)

 It does take a fair amount of processing to make any sound library work.

 What are you doing with respect to panning? That can help greatly. So can 
 reverb--how are you routing it? Are you using the stereo stage feature of 
 ARIA?
 How about EQ?
 Also--what are you listening on? Computer speakers or studio monitors, or 
 something in between?
 It is absolutely essential to stagger attack times by a few ticks as well. HP 
 does that to some extent, but perhaps not enough.

 People sometimes set out of the box expectations for sound libraries too 
 high, which may lead to frustration.

 Perhaps if you bring your computer down to Franklin and buy me a couple pints 
 of Guinness, we can discover some settings you like. ;-)

 Some of us either make two scores (one for print  one for playback) or enter 
 a lot of invisible markings on one score.
 Take a bit if time to experiment and I'll bet your frustration levels fall.

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Re: [Finale] Garritan question - Big Band brass sounds

[Craig Parmerlee]

Thanks for the suggestion.  But I can't get out of the starting gate.  
Where is this articulation definition window?  Is that in document 
options, somewhere in HP settings or somewhere else?  I can't find any 
reference to it in the documentation.


On 5/3/2013 11:18 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
 Craig,

 The articulation playback is determined locally by the articulation 
 definition. Open up the articulation definition window, find Playback Effect, 
 choose Change Duration from the dropdown menu, and make both Top and Bottom 
 50% (or more, if you like your marcatos extra fat like Montreal Smoked 
 Meat). If Change Attack or Change Key Velocity are already edited, it will 
 make the note louder, too.

 These are never set this way in the Finale Defaults, which is a 
 miscalculation on their part. Go ahead and change them in your default file.

 Christopher


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Re: [Finale] Garritan question - Big Band brass sounds

[Michael Mathew]

Craig,

If you engage the articulation tool you can right click on the selection box 
over the note and call up the edit articulation definition dialogue where you 
find the various parameters to edit: Symbols, Symbol Options, Playback Effect, 
Positioning, etc.  The playback effect is where you can experiment with various 
effects. I've tried using these things and find my patience is kind of tested. 
I am not very patient! Ha!
 
You might have found it already, though.

Michael
mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com
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http://oregonmts.com/mathew/



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To: finale@shsu.edu 
Cc: Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca 
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan question - Big Band brass sounds
 

Thanks for the suggestion.  But I can't get out of the starting gate.  
Where is this articulation definition window?  Is that in document 
options, somewhere in HP settings or somewhere else?  I can't find any 
reference to it in the documentation.


On 5/3/2013 11:18 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
 Craig,

 The articulation playback is determined locally by the articulation 
 definition. Open up the articulation definition window, find Playback 
 Effect, choose Change Duration from the dropdown menu, and make both Top and 
 Bottom 50% (or more, if you like your marcatos extra fat like Montreal 
 Smoked Meat). If Change Attack or Change Key Velocity are already edited, it 
 will make the note louder, too.

 These are never set this way in the Finale Defaults, which is a 
 miscalculation on their part. Go ahead and change them in your default file.

 Christopher


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[Finale] Garritan band library

[Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre]

Bought the Garritan Personal Orchestra some months ago. The better depth and 
more richness in details compared to the fewer sound samples coming with FM2012 
have pleased me and been helpful in my work.

Now I wanted to do a brass band version of a recent project, where it would 
have been of benefit to work with cornet sounds over the GPO trumpets. Also to 
have access to the alto/tenor horn sounds over the orchestral horn sounds. Same 
for a greater variety of baritone, euphonium, and tuba sounds.

So I listened to the sound samples on the makemusic site. And I was deeply 
disappointed by the artificial, glassy, orchestrion quality of the soundscape.

Do I have a wose than usual ear-day, or have others had similar experiences?

Is the band library being in version 2 over the GPO being in version 4 a hint 
that the band library is kind of outdated?

Klaus
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Re: [Finale] Garritan band library

[Raymond Horton]

I can't speak to matters of taste, but i can say that there are a great
many MORE brass samples in Garritan Band than in GPO.  Euphs vs. baritones,
etc.  I find for brass band work it is quite helpful.


Raymond Horton
Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
Composer, Arranger
VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre 
yorkmaster...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Bought the Garritan Personal Orchestra some months ago. The better depth
 and more richness in details compared to the fewer sound samples coming
 with FM2012 have pleased me and been helpful in my work.

 Now I wanted to do a brass band version of a recent project, where it
 would have been of benefit to work with cornet sounds over the GPO
 trumpets. Also to have access to the alto/tenor horn sounds over the
 orchestral horn sounds. Same for a greater variety of baritone, euphonium,
 and tuba sounds.

 So I listened to the sound samples on the makemusic site. And I was deeply
 disappointed by the artificial, glassy, orchestrion quality of the
 soundscape.

 Do I have a wose than usual ear-day, or have others had similar
 experiences?

 Is the band library being in version 2 over the GPO being in version 4 a
 hint that the band library is kind of outdated?

 Klaus
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Re: [Finale] Garritan band library

[Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre]

 I certainly agree about the desirability of having the more varied selection 
of band specific brass sounds. 
The problems I perceived were with the upper overtones sounding shallow with 
the band sound samples But then I might use the orchestral woodwind sounds 
where I find them preferable. I like the clarinet sounds of the GPO.

Thanks!
Klaus
--- On Wed, 4/24/13, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan band library
To: finale@shsu.edu
Date: Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 2:25 PM

I can't speak to matters of taste, but i can say that there are a great
many MORE brass samples in Garritan Band than in GPO.  Euphs vs. baritones,
etc.  I find for brass band work it is quite helpful.


Raymond Horton
Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
Composer, Arranger
VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre 
yorkmaster...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Bought the Garritan Personal Orchestra some months ago. The better depth
 and more richness in details compared to the fewer sound samples coming
 with FM2012 have pleased me and been helpful in my work.

 Now I wanted to do a brass band version of a recent project, where it
 would have been of benefit to work with cornet sounds over the GPO
 trumpets. Also to have access to the alto/tenor horn sounds over the
 orchestral horn sounds. Same for a greater variety of baritone, euphonium,
 and tuba sounds.

 So I listened to the sound samples on the makemusic site. And I was deeply
 disappointed by the artificial, glassy, orchestrion quality of the
 soundscape.

 Do I have a wose than usual ear-day, or have others had similar
 experiences?

 Is the band library being in version 2 over the GPO being in version 4 a
 hint that the band library is kind of outdated?

 Klaus

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Re: [Finale] Garritan band library

[Williams, Jim]

There are a few points I might raise here:
1. Brasses are difficult to sample due to the complex overtones.
2. Homogeneous ensembles such as brass bands create problems as well.
3. The overtone situation Klaus describes can be adjusted via EQ. Go into the 
ARIA player and cut or boost frequencies to taste.
4. I find the base velocity in Finale's HP to be too low, yielding mushy 
attacks for brasses. Try increasing the base velocity to taste.
5.it is imperative to avoid simultaneous attacks. HP does that to some extent, 
but I haven't taken the time to determine how much.
6. Use reverb judiciously, avoiding extremes of wet and dry.
7.try panning similar tone colors on opposite sides of the stereo field if 
musically logical
8. Try automating reverb or EQ as a function of an instrument's dynamics or 
prominence
9. All the above would be MUCH easier if Finale's MIDI tool were easier to use. 
Right now it's a pain.
10. Don't expect anything just using the sounds out of the box
11. Not even the $5K libraries will do a great job of reproducing a brass band.
Jim

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Apr 24, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre 
yorkmaster...@yahoo.com wrote:

  I certainly agree about the desirability of having the more varied selection 
 of band specific brass sounds. 
 The problems I perceived were with the upper overtones sounding shallow with 
 the band sound samples But then I might use the orchestral woodwind sounds 
 where I find them preferable. I like the clarinet sounds of the GPO.
 
 Thanks!
 Klaus
 --- On Wed, 4/24/13, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan band library
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Date: Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 2:25 PM
 
 I can't speak to matters of taste, but i can say that there are a great
 many MORE brass samples in Garritan Band than in GPO.  Euphs vs. baritones,
 etc.  I find for brass band work it is quite helpful.
 
 
 Raymond Horton
 Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
 Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
 Composer, Arranger
 VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
 
 
 On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre 
 yorkmaster...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Bought the Garritan Personal Orchestra some months ago. The better depth
 and more richness in details compared to the fewer sound samples coming
 with FM2012 have pleased me and been helpful in my work.
 
 Now I wanted to do a brass band version of a recent project, where it
 would have been of benefit to work with cornet sounds over the GPO
 trumpets. Also to have access to the alto/tenor horn sounds over the
 orchestral horn sounds. Same for a greater variety of baritone, euphonium,
 and tuba sounds.
 
 So I listened to the sound samples on the makemusic site. And I was deeply
 disappointed by the artificial, glassy, orchestrion quality of the
 soundscape.
 
 Do I have a wose than usual ear-day, or have others had similar
 experiences?
 
 Is the band library being in version 2 over the GPO being in version 4 a
 hint that the band library is kind of outdated?
 
 Klaus
 
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Re: [Finale] Garritan band library

[Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre]

Thanks!

One bad point about the sound samples at the MM site is that there is no brass 
band sample.

I took the jump anyway and bought the band library. Even has it installed and 
sounds applied to the score sketch I am working at.

First play back of the opening revealed a marked difference by using cornet 
versus trumpet sounds. I am aware I have to work with the parameters re. 
equalizing, panning, and balance.

Klaus




 From: Williams, Jim jwilli...@franklincollege.edu
To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan band library
 

There are a few points I might raise here:
1. Brasses are difficult to sample due to the complex overtones.
2. Homogeneous ensembles such as brass bands create problems as well.
3. The overtone situation Klaus describes can be adjusted via EQ. Go into the 
ARIA player and cut or boost frequencies to taste.
4. I find the base velocity in Finale's HP to be too low, yielding mushy 
attacks for brasses. Try increasing the base velocity to taste.
5.it is imperative to avoid simultaneous attacks. HP does that to some extent, 
but I haven't taken the time to determine how much.
6. Use reverb judiciously, avoiding extremes of wet and dry.
7.try panning similar tone colors on opposite sides of the stereo field if 
musically logical
8. Try automating reverb or EQ as a function of an instrument's dynamics or 
prominence
9. All the above would be MUCH easier if Finale's MIDI tool were easier to 
use. Right now it's a pain.
10. Don't expect anything just using the sounds out of the box
11. Not even the $5K libraries will do a great job of reproducing a brass band.
Jim

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Apr 24, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre 
yorkmaster...@yahoo.com wrote:

  I certainly agree about the desirability of having the more varied 
selection of band specific brass sounds. 
 The problems I perceived were with the upper overtones sounding shallow with 
 the band sound samples But then I might use the orchestral woodwind sounds 
 where I find them preferable. I like the clarinet sounds of the GPO.
 
 Thanks!
 Klaus
 --- On Wed, 4/24/13, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan band library
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Date: Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 2:25 PM
 
 I can't speak to matters of taste, but i can say that there are a great
 many MORE brass samples in Garritan Band than in GPO.  Euphs vs. baritones,
 etc.  I find for brass band work it is quite helpful.
 
 
 Raymond Horton
 Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
 Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
 Composer, Arranger
 VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
 
 
 On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre 
 yorkmaster...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Bought the Garritan Personal Orchestra some months ago. The better depth
 and more richness in details compared to the fewer sound samples coming
 with FM2012 have pleased me and been helpful in my work.
 
 Now I wanted to do a brass band version of a recent project, where it
 would have been of benefit to work with cornet sounds over the GPO
 trumpets. Also to have access to the alto/tenor horn sounds over the
 orchestral horn sounds. Same for a greater variety of baritone, euphonium,
 and tuba sounds.
 
 So I listened to the sound samples on the makemusic site. And I was deeply
 disappointed by the artificial, glassy, orchestrion quality of the
 soundscape.
 
 Do I have a wose than usual ear-day, or have others had similar
 experiences?
 
 Is the band library being in version 2 over the GPO being in version 4 a
 hint that the band library is kind of outdated?
 
 Klaus

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Re: [Finale] Garritan JABB V2 versus V3

[Craig Parmerlee]

I did buy the upgrade.  It came with a really old version of Aria.  You 
would think that, considering they only offer about 6 packages (x 2, one 
for Windows and one for Mac), they could get around to putting the 
current software into each package.

After messing around for a couple of hours, I got a combination that 
worked adequately.  The reverb effects displayed in the Aria player 
never did work, but I could activate the Ambiance reverb separately.  
That works intermittently, but seems to work about 90% reliably if you 
close down Finale altogether and bring up a score without making other 
VST changes.

Regarding the mute changes, this does seem to work as long as you always 
select the instruments of the notation category.  I don't know what 
else I might be giving up by doing that, but it seems to work OK.

I'm happy to get it to the point that I can actually do some productive 
work now.

This whole category of software (and I would include Band In A Box in 
this general area -- music composition software in general) seems to be 
very poorly finished.  If you are willing to hack around for days, you 
can eventually get something to work.  I'd think a supplier that can put 
out a product that works reliably without all that technical nonsense 
would be more successful than the current suppliers are.  it really 
should not be necessary to keep a big notebook of all the things that 
don't work, or cause damage if you do them by accident.



On 4/24/2013 12:42 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
 I bought JABB a few years back.  I haven't had it installed for the last
 several Finale releases because the supplied GPO voices were
 sufficient.  But I'm working on a project where I really need the
 keyswitch voices (muted trumpets).  So I installed this software on my
 Windows 7 Finale 2012 system.  That was a trip, but I finally got that
 working (more or less).

 It seems there are all sorts of problems that maybe aren't outright
 bugs, but weak integration at best.  For example, when I use the drum
 grove plug-in, it wipes out the bank and channel setting, and resets the
 track to the Aria player.  I have to use the Kontact player with Version 2.

 One of the most annoying features is that the volume controls don't
 make any sense.  I have every instrument in the score assigned to
 Kontact with a JABB voice.  But only SOME of the voices can be
 controlled by the Finale mixer.  The drum set, for example, does not
 respond to mixer volume changes, but saxes and trumpets do !?

 It seems that the Aria player is the future for Finale and Garritan, and
 it appears that JABB V3 is built around Aria.  I wonder if my life would
 be easier if I swallowed the upgrade.  It's 50 bucks, which isn't the
 end of the world.  But if my life isn't likely to be any better with
 Ver3, I'll save the money.

 Any opinions about this?

 Thanks in advance.
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[Finale] Garritan JABB V2 versus V3

[Craig Parmerlee]

I bought JABB a few years back.  I haven't had it installed for the last 
several Finale releases because the supplied GPO voices were 
sufficient.  But I'm working on a project where I really need the 
keyswitch voices (muted trumpets).  So I installed this software on my 
Windows 7 Finale 2012 system.  That was a trip, but I finally got that 
working (more or less).

It seems there are all sorts of problems that maybe aren't outright 
bugs, but weak integration at best.  For example, when I use the drum 
grove plug-in, it wipes out the bank and channel setting, and resets the 
track to the Aria player.  I have to use the Kontact player with Version 2.

One of the most annoying features is that the volume controls don't 
make any sense.  I have every instrument in the score assigned to 
Kontact with a JABB voice.  But only SOME of the voices can be 
controlled by the Finale mixer.  The drum set, for example, does not 
respond to mixer volume changes, but saxes and trumpets do !?

It seems that the Aria player is the future for Finale and Garritan, and 
it appears that JABB V3 is built around Aria.  I wonder if my life would 
be easier if I swallowed the upgrade.  It's 50 bucks, which isn't the 
end of the world.  But if my life isn't likely to be any better with 
Ver3, I'll save the money.

Any opinions about this?

Thanks in advance.
Craig

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[Finale] Garritan Glitches

[Robert Patterson]

I have a file that was playing back fine until yesterday, and now when I
play it back there are all these glitches in playback: like when a DAT tape
would misfeed. Is there possibly some way to reset the player engine? I've
tried stopping/starting Finale but to no avail. I suppose I could reboot
the machine, but that is a huge PTA.
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Re: [Finale] Garritan Glitches

[Giovanni Andreani]

This happened to me too and I found out that turning my external 
audio-interface off, quitting finale then switching the audio-interface back on 
and restarting Finale would risolve the problem. Not always, though: I had to 
reboot a couple of times.
I always got rid of the annoying glitches but never got the clue what was 
causing the problem.






Giovanni Andreani

www.giovanniandreani.eu

I have a file that was playing back fine until yesterday, and now when I
play it back there are all these glitches in playback: like when a DAT tape
would misfeed. Is there possibly some way to reset the player engine? I've
tried stopping/starting Finale but to no avail. I suppose I could reboot
the machine, but that is a huge PTA.
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Re: [Finale] Garritan Glitches

[Chuck Israels]

Reboot has cured this for me on the rare occasion that it has happened. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 24, 2013, at 7:27 AM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com 
wrote:

 I have a file that was playing back fine until yesterday, and now when I
 play it back there are all these glitches in playback: like when a DAT tape
 would misfeed. Is there possibly some way to reset the player engine? I've
 tried stopping/starting Finale but to no avail. I suppose I could reboot
 the machine, but that is a huge PTA.
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Re: [Finale] Garritan Glitches

[Raymond Horton]

Using WinFin 2011, I find that, if I leave a Finale file with Garritan
playback (especially a large file with many voices) open while I am not
using Finale (either while I am away from the computer or while I am
working in some other application) that, when I return to Finale the file I
had open will play very poorly the first time or two I start it.  It
plays with voices missing or glitching when they first come in.

I found a very simple solution - I open up another Finale file with
Garritan playback (usually a very small one) and start playback on it, then
stop it after a few beats and return to the first file, which then loads
Garritan again and plays correctly.   I've gotten so I often leave one of
those small files open on top of the big one I'm working on (it has to have
it's Aria/Garritan loaded - so edit it or play a bar of it before you leave
Finale).

Whistling at the moon helps, also.

Raymond Horton
Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
Composer, Arranger
VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com


On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Giovanni Andreani 
i...@giovanniandreani.eu wrote:

 This happened to me too and I found out that turning my external
 audio-interface off, quitting finale then switching the audio-interface
 back on and restarting Finale would risolve the problem. Not always,
 though: I had to reboot a couple of times.
 I always got rid of the annoying glitches but never got the clue what was
 causing the problem.




 

 Giovanni Andreani

 www.giovanniandreani.eu

 I have a file that was playing back fine until yesterday, and now when I
 play it back there are all these glitches in playback: like when a DAT
 tape
 would misfeed. Is there possibly some way to reset the player engine? I've
 tried stopping/starting Finale but to no avail. I suppose I could reboot
 the machine, but that is a huge PTA.
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Re: [Finale] Garritan Glitches

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, February 24, 2013 10:27 am, Robert Patterson wrote:
 I have a file that was playing back fine until yesterday, and now when I
 play it back there are all these glitches in playback: like when a DAT tape
 would misfeed. Is there possibly some way to reset the player engine? I've
 tried stopping/starting Finale but to no avail. I suppose I could reboot
 the machine, but that is a huge PTA.

Exactly these symptoms here (FinWin 2011).

For me, reboot works (also a PitA). Restarting the audio hardware interface
works sometime (though mine is a Saffire Pro-40 with 8 channels and takes
almost as long as a reboot).

Another solution is to run the task manager and make sure Finale actually
exits before it's restarted. I got caught be that a few times.

After Finale/Garritan runs, playback in my browser and media player are also
affected. If I reboot, all my audio works fine until the next time I run
Finale/Garritan.

Not helpful, I guess, but more info.

Dennis




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Re: [Finale] Garritan sound libraries

[Phil Buglass]

Thank you for the input.  Most people didn't seem 
to understand the question, I don't think.  Here's another question...

I am going to get GPO, I think.   But will 
loading that remover the 'Garritan for Finale' 
library?   I ask because I probably will do some 
wind band stuff, and I can't afford the Concert 
band library for a while just yet, and the GPO 
does not include saxophones.  Or euphoniums for 
that matter, although they can pretend to be trombones!

Having asked this, I realise that I am not at all 
sure if the freeby library includes saxes either!

Phil.

At 12:45 PM 2/20/2013, you wrote:
Hi, Phil...
The two libraries GPO and IO are entirely different.

If you are using Finale, you will likely prefer GPO.

It consists of traditional orchestra sections 
and solo instruments, so you can set up a total 
virtual full orchestra, chamber ensemble, etc.

It's more usable with Finale in terms of What you write is what you hear.

IO consists of sections, pre-defined chords, 
preset moods, etc, and takes more work to use 
with Finale if you want the score to match the 
sound. It is really designed for quick-sketching 
a movie scene or some programmatic music.

I would suggest that you go to YouTube and look for the IO demo series.

If you are doing traditional orchestral music 
or chamber ensembles, then Finale + GPO is the way to go.

The Garritan Instruments for Finale is a small 
sampling of sounds from the jazz collection, the 
orchestra collection, and the wind band set, 
etc. GPO is a full orchestra and then 
some--section strings, solo strings, brass, 
woodwinds, percussion, keyboards, etc.

Also of interest, depending on what type of 
music you do, would be the jazz band set and the concert  marching band set.

Jim

Sent from my iPad, so pardon the typos.

On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote:

  I have been looking at the orchestral sound
  libraries they have on offer, but I need a bit
  more infor before plonking down that kind of money...
 
  Can anyone tell me what the difference is between
  Instant Orchestra and Personal Orchestra.  I
  cannot imagine anyone wanting 2 sets of 
 orchestral sounds, so what is the deal?
 
  Is one significantly better than the other?
  Also, what is the advantage over the Garritan sounds included with Finale?
 
  Thanks in advance...
 
  Phil.
 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Garritan sound libraries

[TXSTNR POP account]

The Garritan for Finale library does contain saxes, and no, installing GPO will 
not erase anything.  You'll then have your choice of which library to draw from 
for each individual instrument in your score.

On Feb 22, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Phil Buglass wrote:

 Thank you for the input.  Most people didn't seem 
 to understand the question, I don't think.  Here's another question...
 
 I am going to get GPO, I think.   But will 
 loading that remover the 'Garritan for Finale' 
 library?   I ask because I probably will do some 
 wind band stuff, and I can't afford the Concert 
 band library for a while just yet, and the GPO 
 does not include saxophones.  Or euphoniums for 
 that matter, although they can pretend to be trombones!
 
 Having asked this, I realise that I am not at all 
 sure if the freeby library includes saxes either!
 
 Phil.
 
 At 12:45 PM 2/20/2013, you wrote:
 Hi, Phil...
 The two libraries GPO and IO are entirely different.
 
 If you are using Finale, you will likely prefer GPO.
 
 It consists of traditional orchestra sections 
 and solo instruments, so you can set up a total 
 virtual full orchestra, chamber ensemble, etc.
 
 It's more usable with Finale in terms of What you write is what you hear.
 
 IO consists of sections, pre-defined chords, 
 preset moods, etc, and takes more work to use 
 with Finale if you want the score to match the 
 sound. It is really designed for quick-sketching 
 a movie scene or some programmatic music.
 
 I would suggest that you go to YouTube and look for the IO demo series.
 
 If you are doing traditional orchestral music 
 or chamber ensembles, then Finale + GPO is the way to go.
 
 The Garritan Instruments for Finale is a small 
 sampling of sounds from the jazz collection, the 
 orchestra collection, and the wind band set, 
 etc. GPO is a full orchestra and then 
 some--section strings, solo strings, brass, 
 woodwinds, percussion, keyboards, etc.
 
 Also of interest, depending on what type of 
 music you do, would be the jazz band set and the concert  marching band set.
 
 Jim
 
 Sent from my iPad, so pardon the typos.
 
 On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 I have been looking at the orchestral sound
 libraries they have on offer, but I need a bit
 more infor before plonking down that kind of money...
 
 Can anyone tell me what the difference is between
 Instant Orchestra and Personal Orchestra.  I
 cannot imagine anyone wanting 2 sets of 
 orchestral sounds, so what is the deal?
 
 Is one significantly better than the other?
 Also, what is the advantage over the Garritan sounds included with Finale?
 
 Thanks in advance...
 
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Re: [Finale] Garritan sound libraries

[Phil Buglass]

Thanks, that will keep me going till the funds allow the next step!

Phil.

At 08:14 PM 2/22/2013, you wrote:
The Garritan for Finale library does contain 
saxes, and no, installing GPO will not erase 
anything.  You'll then have your choice of which 
library to draw from for each individual instrument in your score.

On Feb 22, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Phil Buglass wrote:

  Thank you for the input.  Most people didn't seem
  to understand the question, I don't think.  Here's another question...
 
  I am going to get GPO, I think.   But will
  loading that remover the 'Garritan for Finale'
  library?   I ask because I probably will do some
  wind band stuff, and I can't afford the Concert
  band library for a while just yet, and the GPO
  does not include saxophones.  Or euphoniums for
  that matter, although they can pretend to be trombones!
 
  Having asked this, I realise that I am not at all
  sure if the freeby library includes saxes either!
 
  Phil.
 
  At 12:45 PM 2/20/2013, you wrote:
  Hi, Phil...
  The two libraries GPO and IO are entirely different.
 
  If you are using Finale, you will likely prefer GPO.
 
  It consists of traditional orchestra sections
  and solo instruments, so you can set up a total
  virtual full orchestra, chamber ensemble, etc.
 
  It's more usable with Finale in terms of 
 What you write is what you hear.
 
  IO consists of sections, pre-defined chords,
  preset moods, etc, and takes more work to use
  with Finale if you want the score to match the
  sound. It is really designed for quick-sketching
  a movie scene or some programmatic music.
 
  I would suggest that you go to YouTube and look for the IO demo series.
 
  If you are doing traditional orchestral music
  or chamber ensembles, then Finale + GPO is the way to go.
 
  The Garritan Instruments for Finale is a small
  sampling of sounds from the jazz collection, the
  orchestra collection, and the wind band set,
  etc. GPO is a full orchestra and then
  some--section strings, solo strings, brass,
  woodwinds, percussion, keyboards, etc.
 
  Also of interest, depending on what type of
  music you do, would be the jazz band set and 
 the concert  marching band set.
 
  Jim
 
  Sent from my iPad, so pardon the typos.
 
  On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  I have been looking at the orchestral sound
  libraries they have on offer, but I need a bit
  more infor before plonking down that kind of money...
 
  Can anyone tell me what the difference is between
  Instant Orchestra and Personal Orchestra.  I
  cannot imagine anyone wanting 2 sets of
  orchestral sounds, so what is the deal?
 
  Is one significantly better than the other?
  Also, what is the advantage over the 
 Garritan sounds included with Finale?
 
  Thanks in advance...
 
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[Finale] Garritan sound libraries

[Phil Buglass]

I have been looking at the orchestral sound 
libraries they have on offer, but I need a bit 
more infor before plonking down that kind of money...

Can anyone tell me what the difference is between 
Instant Orchestra and Personal Orchestra.  I 
cannot imagine anyone wanting 2 sets of orchestral sounds, so what is the deal?

Is one significantly better than the other?
Also, what is the advantage over the Garritan sounds included with Finale?

Thanks in advance...

Phil.



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Re: [Finale] Garritan sound libraries

[Williams, Jim]

Hi, Phil...
The two libraries GPO and IO are entirely different.

If you are using Finale, you will likely prefer GPO.

It consists of traditional orchestra sections and solo instruments, so you can 
set up a total virtual full orchestra, chamber ensemble, etc.

It's more usable with Finale in terms of What you write is what you hear.

IO consists of sections, pre-defined chords, preset moods, etc, and takes more 
work to use with Finale if you want the score to match the sound. It is really 
designed for quick-sketching a movie scene or some programmatic music.

I would suggest that you go to YouTube and look for the IO demo series.

If you are doing traditional orchestral music or chamber ensembles, then 
Finale + GPO is the way to go.

The Garritan Instruments for Finale is a small sampling of sounds from the 
jazz collection, the orchestra collection, and the wind band set, etc. GPO is a 
full orchestra and then some--section strings, solo strings, brass, woodwinds, 
percussion, keyboards, etc. 

Also of interest, depending on what type of music you do, would be the jazz 
band set and the concert  marching band set.

Jim

Sent from my iPad, so pardon the typos.

On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote:

 I have been looking at the orchestral sound 
 libraries they have on offer, but I need a bit 
 more infor before plonking down that kind of money...
 
 Can anyone tell me what the difference is between 
 Instant Orchestra and Personal Orchestra.  I 
 cannot imagine anyone wanting 2 sets of orchestral sounds, so what is the 
 deal?
 
 Is one significantly better than the other?
 Also, what is the advantage over the Garritan sounds included with Finale?
 
 Thanks in advance...
 
 Phil.
 
 
 
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[Finale] Garritan Personal Orchestra problems

[Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre]

I have problems with cross-references in the Garritan and Finale manuals 
sending me into a not at all helpful loop.

I am on the most recent upgrade of Finale 2012 and on Mac OSX 10.7.5. Garritan 
Personal Orchestra was bought and downloaded a month ago.

First problem: How do I load GPO so that it becomes visible on the list in the 
Sound Map Priority window from the MIDI/Audio menu?

I have a score for 15 instruments and SATB vocals. I managed to create playback 
for the 15 instruments via the Aria player (and was impressed by the improved 
details compared to the Garritan instruments coming with Finale). But these 15 
instruments almost eat up the 16 slots in Bank #1. Playing these instruments 
along with the 4 vocal lines been assigned sounds coming with Finale gave 
locked MIDI notes that could only be stopped by closing the document. Assigning 
sounds from the Aria player’s Bank 2 erased what had been edited in Bank 1. 

How to edit the banks independently?

Klaus
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Re: [Finale] Garritan Library discount sale

[Phillips, Justin]

Hi Ryan,

Finale includes a light collection of sounds from Personal Orchestra, Jazz
and Big Band, Concert and Marching Band, World, and Tapspace Virtual
Drumline 2 (not a Garritan product). Each library have many more sounds
than the sample included with Finale.

ARIA (the sample player for Garritan) ships with both VST and AU plug-in
types along with RTAS as well for Pro Tools users.
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On 12/19/12 12:16 PM, Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote:

Just got an email ad for Garritan -- buy two sound libraries, get one
free. Since I've never made playback a priority in Finale, I've never used
Garritan before; I've never installed the version that comes with Finale
on
my machine . But, I have a few projects lined up for the new year that
could benefit from some higher quality playback.
If I take advantage of this offer, will I be buying libraries that I
already have since they were bundled with Finale?
Can you use Garritan libraries with other programs like ProTools?
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Re: [Finale] Garritan Library discount sale

[Eric Dannewitz]

If they have a RTAS plugin included with it, yes.

Honestly though, there are a lot of other libraries that sound a LOT 
better..and you might want to consider looking into some of them if you 
plan on doing VI work in something other than Finale. 

NOT Sent from a iBoat
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On Dec 19, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just got an email ad for Garritan -- buy two sound libraries, get one
 free. Since I've never made playback a priority in Finale, I've never used
 Garritan before; I've never installed the version that comes with Finale on
 my machine . But, I have a few projects lined up for the new year that
 could benefit from some higher quality playback.
 If I take advantage of this offer, will I be buying libraries that I
 already have since they were bundled with Finale?
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[Finale] Fin2011 and Finale Garritan Percussion

[Aaron Sherber]

Hi all,

This is my first time using the Finale Garritan instruments, and I'm a 
little confused by the percussion maps. I take it that we're supposed to 
use the Orchestral Percussion map, but that doesn't include entries for 
side drum or for several of the susp. cymbal options. Does anyone have 
any suggestions for easy ways to add all of the instruments available in 
Basic Orchestral Percussion? Or is there a pre-built map that I'm missing?

Thanks,
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Re: [Finale] Garritan sample pathway problem

[Dick Hauser]

On May 22, 2009, at 7:54 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:


Duh!  Took me a day to figure it out.


Did you fix that by renaming the drive, or did you do some process to  
let Kontakt know that the drive was where it should look?


Dick H

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Re: [Finale] Garritan sample pathway problem

[Chuck Israels]

Hi, I just restored the original drive name.  It had been renamed in  
the process of replacing a drive that was exhibiting problems and  
threatening to fail.  Computers are, by nature and design, and maybe  
by necessity, remarkably literal (seems to me).  What is interesting  
to me is that, in spite of this literal characteristic, there are  
also methods that are built in to applications (and maybe into the  
operating system, I'm not sure where all of these things reside) that  
will deal with situations when the machinery hits a wall and doesn't  
find what it expects.  I got a dialog that allowed for manual or  
automatic searches for the missing samples, and they were found  
every time.  There were limitations in the design of the interface -  
the dialog window didn't show enough of the path to allow me to see  
where the samples were, or where they belonged - hence the question I  
posted in the hope that someone else would know, but they were always  
found automatically nonetheless.  It turns out they were always in the  
right place (inside the Garritan folders) where they had been  
automatically located when they were first installed.  They'd never  
been moved, and only my renaming of the drive compromised the pathway  
the computer used to look for them.  A little frustrating - but I am  
also intrigued by trying to acquire some intuition about how these  
things are designed.


Chuck


On May 23, 2009, at 7:45 AM, Dick Hauser wrote:



On May 22, 2009, at 7:54 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:


Duh!  Took me a day to figure it out.


Did you fix that by renaming the drive, or did you do some process  
to let Kontakt know that the drive was where it should look?


Dick H

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Re: [Finale] Garritan sample pathway problem

[Chuck Israels]

Anyone curious about this?  Turned out to be the fact that the new  
hard drive had a slightly different name.  That's what hid the sample  
files from the Kontakt Player.  Duh!  Took me a day to figure it out.


Chuck


On May 21, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:



Calling all Mac gurus!  A repair of files and replacement of a drive  
that threatened to go wonky has resulted in Finale (or maybe it's  
the Kontakt Player) not finding the GPO/JABB samples.  (Maybe they  
were inadvertently moved, or the new system is looking for them  
differently - it's mysterious to me.)  A window comes up that allows  
an automated search finding the needed files and saving that pathway  
for the document in question but requiring that search each time a  
new document is opened.  My conclusion is that the sound files are  
not in the optimum location - I think they belong in Libraries  
somewhere, (at what level, I'm not sure - Root or User).  Can anyone  
help me to locate them and move or copy them to the right place?   
Darcy?  Christopher? Anyone?


Thanks,

Chuck


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[Finale] Garritan sample pathway problem

[Chuck Israels]

Calling all Mac gurus!  A repair of files and replacement of a drive  
that threatened to go wonky has resulted in Finale (or maybe it's the  
Kontakt Player) not finding the GPO/JABB samples.  (Maybe they were  
inadvertently moved, or the new system is looking for them differently  
- it's mysterious to me.)  A window comes up that allows an automated  
search finding the needed files and saving that pathway for the  
document in question but requiring that search each time a new  
document is opened.  My conclusion is that the sound files are not in  
the optimum location - I think they belong in Libraries somewhere, (at  
what level, I'm not sure - Root or User).  Can anyone help me to  
locate them and move or copy them to the right place?  Darcy?   
Christopher? Anyone?


Thanks,

Chuck


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[Finale] Garritan on old files

[Richard Huggins]

I was excited to hear the much-improved orchestral sounds of Finale  
2009. I opened an old file so I cold hear it with these sounds, but  
instead the old sounds were heard. How do I achieve playback using the  
Garritan sounds that shipped with '09?


Richard
FINMAC 2009

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Re: [Finale] Garritan on old files

[Aaron Sherber]

On 3/20/2009 10:51 AM, Richard Huggins wrote:

I was excited to hear the much-improved orchestral sounds of Finale
2009. I opened an old file so I cold hear it with these sounds, but
instead the old sounds were heard. How do I achieve playback using the
Garritan sounds that shipped with '09?


If you take a look in the user manual, there's a tutorial called GPO 
and HP Tutorial. This covers converting old scores to use the new 
sounds, as well as creating new scores that use these sounds.


Aaron.
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[Finale] Garritan Deal

[Howey, Henry]

My impression is that Aria player is easier to use than Kontakt 2.
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[Finale] Garritan Steinway Q

[Richard Huggins]

I'm upgrading to FinMac 09 but I'm also considering the Steinway add- 
on. My question is, can this be used by anything other than Finale,  
such as Garage Band and other Mac MIDI apps?


-Richard

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Re: [Finale] Garritan Steinway Q

[Allen Fisher]

If the other app that you want to use is an audio unit  or VST host,  
it should be.


But to be sure, I would check the Garritan website.

On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Richard Huggins wrote:

I'm upgrading to FinMac 09 but I'm also considering the Steinway add- 
on. My question is, can this be used by anything other than Finale,  
such as Garage Band and other Mac MIDI apps?


-Richard

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[Finale] Garritan P O

[Christer Wallstrom]

I have Finale 2009
I have GPO
I use vista (swedish)
I can see garritan PO in the wizard
But kontaktplayer 2 doesnot finde GPO just the finale edition

Can anyone help me get the GPO working

Christer Wallström
(finale user since 1988)
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