Re: [Finale] Playback problem

[Lawrence David Eden]

The values I am describing are found on the MIDI keyboard itself.  MIDI 
instruments can be assigned a numeric volume level from 0 to 127 on my keyboard 
(Kawai.) 
As others have mentioned here, you can use the MIXER found in WINDOW Menu to 
assign volume, and panning.

Larry Eden

> On Mar 3, 2019, at 8:11 AM, martin nickless  wrote:
> 
> Thanks 
> Is that in the finale manual ?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3 Mar 2019, at 07:49, Lawrence David Eden  wrote:
>> 
>> You did not mention if you are using a MIDI or internal speakers, but each 
>> instrument in General MIDI can be assigned a volume via your MIDI keyboard.
>> 
>> Larry
>> 
>>> On Mar 3, 2019, at 1:12 AM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi there can someone help me 
>>> My volume is not balanced when I use play back 
>>> The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets 
>>> Not sure where to find individual volume control
>>> I’m on windows 10
>>> Finale 25
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Re: [Finale] Playback problem

[martin nickless]

thanks great martin

On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 1:27 PM Percuszionstudio <
harrojadga...@westnet.com.au> wrote:

> In the Window menu, just under Score Manager. At east that’s where it is
> the Mac so I assume the Windows OS has it in the same place.
>
> > On 3 Mar 2019, at 23:40, Martin Nickless  wrote:
> >
> > Where do I find it .. in score manager ?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 3 Mar 2019, at 06:18, Ryszard Pusz 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hmm. Not the Mixer?
> >>
> >> Ryszard
> >>
> >>> On 3 Mar 2019, at 7:35 PM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Score Manager
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Mar 3, 2019, at 3:12, Martin Nickless 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>  Hi there can someone help me
>  My volume is not balanced when I use play back
>  The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets
>  Not sure where to find individual volume control
>  I’m on windows 10
>  Finale 25
>  Thanks
>  Martin
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Re: [Finale] Playback problem

[Percuszionstudio]

In the Window menu, just under Score Manager. At east that’s where it is the 
Mac so I assume the Windows OS has it in the same place.

> On 3 Mar 2019, at 23:40, Martin Nickless  wrote:
> 
> Where do I find it .. in score manager ?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3 Mar 2019, at 06:18, Ryszard Pusz  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm. Not the Mixer?
>> 
>> Ryszard
>> 
>>> On 3 Mar 2019, at 7:35 PM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Score Manager
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 3, 2019, at 3:12, Martin Nickless  wrote:
 
 
 Hi there can someone help me 
 My volume is not balanced when I use play back 
 The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets 
 Not sure where to find individual volume control
 I’m on windows 10
 Finale 25
 Thanks
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Re: [Finale] Playback problem

[Martin Nickless]

Thanks 
Is that in the finale manual ?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Mar 2019, at 07:49, Lawrence David Eden  wrote:
> 
> You did not mention if you are using a MIDI or internal speakers, but each 
> instrument in General MIDI can be assigned a volume via your MIDI keyboard.
> 
> Larry
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2019, at 1:12 AM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi there can someone help me 
>> My volume is not balanced when I use play back 
>> The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets 
>> Not sure where to find individual volume control
>> I’m on windows 10
>> Finale 25
>> Thanks
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Re: [Finale] Playback problem

[Martin Nickless]

Where do I find it .. in score manager ?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Mar 2019, at 06:18, Ryszard Pusz  wrote:
> 
> Hmm. Not the Mixer?
> 
> Ryszard
> 
>> On 3 Mar 2019, at 7:35 PM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
>> 
>> Score Manager
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 3, 2019, at 3:12, Martin Nickless  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi there can someone help me 
>>> My volume is not balanced when I use play back 
>>> The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets 
>>> Not sure where to find individual volume control
>>> I’m on windows 10
>>> Finale 25
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Re: [Finale] Playback problem

[Martin Nickless]

Thanks

Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Mar 2019, at 06:05, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
> 
> Score Manager
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2019, at 3:12, Martin Nickless  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi there can someone help me 
>> My volume is not balanced when I use play back 
>> The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets 
>> Not sure where to find individual volume control
>> I’m on windows 10
>> Finale 25
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Re: [Finale] Playback problem

[Lawrence David Eden]

You did not mention if you are using a MIDI or internal speakers, but each 
instrument in General MIDI can be assigned a volume via your MIDI keyboard.

Larry

> On Mar 3, 2019, at 1:12 AM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi there can someone help me 
> My volume is not balanced when I use play back 
> The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets 
> Not sure where to find individual volume control
> I’m on windows 10
> Finale 25
> Thanks
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Re: [Finale] Playback problem

[Ryszard Pusz]

Hmm. Not the Mixer?

Ryszard

> On 3 Mar 2019, at 7:35 PM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
> 
> Score Manager
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 3, 2019, at 3:12, Martin Nickless  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi there can someone help me 
>> My volume is not balanced when I use play back 
>> The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets 
>> Not sure where to find individual volume control
>> I’m on windows 10
>> Finale 25
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Re: [Finale] Playback problem

[Haroldo Mauro]

Score Manager




On Mar 3, 2019, at 3:12, Martin Nickless  wrote:

> 
> Hi there can someone help me 
> My volume is not balanced when I use play back 
> The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets 
> Not sure where to find individual volume control
> I’m on windows 10
> Finale 25
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[Finale] Playback problem

[Martin Nickless]

Hi there can someone help me 
My volume is not balanced when I use play back 
The bones are very loud and can hardly hear the trumpets 
Not sure where to find individual volume control
I’m on windows 10
Finale 25
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Re: [Finale] Finale playback problem

[Steven Larsen]

David and Dean,
Thanks for your suggestions. Nothing worked. Finally, I copied the music from 
the affected staves, deleted them, reinstalled them, and pasted the music back. 
Success!
Go figure. 
Every once in a while the dot on my numerical pad stops working (creating 
dotted notes). The period key in the regular keyboard works as a standin. The 
next time I start the program everything is back to normal.
Or not. 
Just some of Finale's inscrutable mysteries.

Steve Larsen

-Original Message-
From: Daykah  
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 12:07 PM
To: Steven Larsen 
Cc: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale playback problem

Two possible issues: Check the Score Manager to make sure any potential 
transpositions of a minor second are inexplicably are not set. Also that score 
is Displayed In Concert Pitch (under Document). 

--
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> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Steven Larsen  wrote:
> 
> I’m experiencing a strange phenomenon when I playback my latest project.
> 
> It’s an orchestral score without key signature. I used the template 
> wizard to create the score, with the usual transposing instruments. 
> When I play back what I’ve entered, the cello and the flute play ½ 
> step higher than written. No problem in clarinets or horns.
> 
> I’ve checked the staff and score manager settings, and they are the 
> same as the other instruments.
> 
> I’m using Garritan Instruments for playback; cellos are set to Cello 
> section KS.
> 
> It’s the latest version of Finale, with current updates.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> Steve Larsen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale playback problem

[Daykah]

Two possible issues: Check the Score Manager to make sure any potential 
transpositions of a minor second are inexplicably are not set. Also that score 
is Displayed In Concert Pitch (under Document). 

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> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Steven Larsen  wrote:
> 
> I’m experiencing a strange phenomenon when I playback my latest project.
> 
> It’s an orchestral score without key signature. I used the template wizard
> to create the score, with the usual transposing instruments. When I play
> back what I’ve entered, the cello and the flute play ½ step higher than
> written. No problem in clarinets or horns. 
> 
> I’ve checked the staff and score manager settings, and they are the same as
> the other instruments.
> 
> I’m using Garritan Instruments for playback; cellos are set to Cello section
> KS.
> 
> It’s the latest version of Finale, with current updates.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> Steve Larsen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [Finale] Finale playback problem

[David H. Bailey]

On 6/1/2018 12:14 PM, Steven Larsen wrote:

I’m experiencing a strange phenomenon when I playback my latest project.

It’s an orchestral score without key signature. I used the template wizard
to create the score, with the usual transposing instruments. When I play
back what I’ve entered, the cello and the flute play ½ step higher than
written. No problem in clarinets or horns.

I’ve checked the staff and score manager settings, and they are the same as
the other instruments.

I’m using Garritan Instruments for playback; cellos are set to Cello section
KS.

It’s the latest version of Finale, with current updates.

Any ideas?



My first thought is to ask if you have restarted Finale and re-opened 
the project and does the problem still persist?  Have you rebooted your 
computer?  Sometimes those things fix playback problems.


My second thought is to ask if you have entered any expressions at the 
start where you took an existing expression, duplicated it and edited it 
to appear as you wish?  Is it possible that the original expression had 
a playback attribute defined which might cause the problem?


After that I'm out of ideas.


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[Finale] Finale playback problem

[Steven Larsen]

I’m experiencing a strange phenomenon when I playback my latest project.

It’s an orchestral score without key signature. I used the template wizard
to create the score, with the usual transposing instruments. When I play
back what I’ve entered, the cello and the flute play ½ step higher than
written. No problem in clarinets or horns. 

I’ve checked the staff and score manager settings, and they are the same as
the other instruments.

I’m using Garritan Instruments for playback; cellos are set to Cello section
KS.

It’s the latest version of Finale, with current updates.

Any ideas?

 

Steve Larsen

 

 

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Re: [Finale] Playback problem

[David H. Bailey]

On 8/31/2017 3:01 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
> On Thu, August 31, 2017 2:33 pm, John Hyde wrote:
>>Thanks for the suggestion
> 
> Make sure you're not saving Midi volume data with your controller.
> 
> Try this:
> 
> Go into the Midi tool (not the Midi/Audio menu).
> Dismiss the human playback message that comes up.
>>From the Midi Tool menu, select "Edit Key Velocities".
> Select the entire document (CTL-A on Windows).
>>From the Midi Tool menu, choose "Clear".
> 
> Now try playback.
> 
> If it works, you may have old Midi data in there, or you may have recorded the
> velocities from your Midi keyboard.
> 

Thank you for clarifying that and for pointing to the correct tool for 
remedying the problem if that is indeed it.

I had been trying to say that but had forgotten the procedure using the 
midi tool itself.

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Re: [Finale] Playback problem

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Thu, August 31, 2017 2:33 pm, John Hyde wrote:
>   Thanks for the suggestion

Make sure you're not saving Midi volume data with your controller.

Try this:

Go into the Midi tool (not the Midi/Audio menu).
Dismiss the human playback message that comes up.
>From the Midi Tool menu, select "Edit Key Velocities".
Select the entire document (CTL-A on Windows).
>From the Midi Tool menu, choose "Clear".

Now try playback.

If it works, you may have old Midi data in there, or you may have recorded the
velocities from your Midi keyboard.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Playback problem

[John Hyde]

Dave et al.
  Thanks for the suggestion
All my input is done with a midi controller
The parts sound and stop sounding at unpredictable moments..
   When I first load the file it usually plays all the parts at normal
volume then cuts out so that one might hear parts faintly if turned up all
the way.
   On repeated playing without other tweaks  maybe I get another bar then
it all cuts out (or almost) or one part will continue to play.

There are no expressions at this point except for the tempo  marking. That
one is hard to forget about changing the play back setting since it is
usually playing a tempo that I have already rejected.

   If I scroll ahead and start again I get a few notes then it goes down
like at the beginning.


Just tried

I play with options under the Midi/Audio menu. It gets a bit better at
least one or two parts play after going back and forth  between “play
through Audio unit” / “through MIDI” or under the “Device set up” sub menu
between “MIDI Internal speaker”or “MIDI Through”.
I go between   “Smart synth “and “MIDI”  for the playback option under the
“Midi Setup” sub menu.
Trying to get something working by tweaking things with the volume
controls on the
Studio View option actually did more that I hoped for.

My best  result was just now when I pulled up the file in question  just
now.(other files were doing stuff like this but not so dramatically)
I played all parts for 18 measures and the  Organ part stopped sounding for
the last 4 measures of what I have in so far.

Just tried Documents/Playback and Record Options/ and “reset dynamic
markings”
  I thought that I had started a new file though the project started  in
another one.
 Worked the whole 23 measures!

tried  MIDI Audio/Human Playback /Human playback preferences/ Dynamics/
changed from “automatic” to “continuous controller “ and lost tie audio for
the Sax part about 2 measures in.
  returned it to “automatic” and no change.   Fiddled with levels on Studio
view and can get the sax part sounding for as much as 9 measures. Hard to
see a relationship between what I do and what is working.   Will someone
remind me about what the improvement is between this version
and Finale ’14?
Thanks,
 John


On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:25 AM, David H. Bailey 
wrote:

> On 8/30/2017 9:03 PM, John Hyde wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>   I’m running Finale 25.4.0.155 on a MacBook Pro  running Sierra 10.12.6
>>
>> Upon upgrading I had more that the usual trouble getting the software to
>> see the keyboard but I can kluge around it by opening the file ,them
>> closing it and restarting the computer.
>>
>>   What’s driving me crazy is that on playback the volume will drop
>> down
>> until it is practically or in some cases actually inaudible. I am
>> currently
>> working in a piece for pipe organ, tenor sax and electric guitar.
>> Sometimes the horn and the guitar come through fine but part or all of the
>> organ disappears. At the moment the organ and the sax are coming through
>> fine but the guitar is gone. This is particularly irritating since I am
>> also the guitarist.
>>
>> The volume drop problem goes back at least as far as 2010 when I was
>> working on an old power book.
>>Having the problem to the extremity of “ disappearing audio  parts”
>> me be as recent as my last system upgrade.
>>
>>   Any thoughts?
>>   Thanks,
>>John Hyde
>>
>
> Am I correct in assuming that all other audio from other programs works
> just fine with no dropouts or fading?
>
> I'm confused by your comment about "At the moment the organ and the sax
> are coming through but the guitar is gone.  This is particularly irritating
> since I am also the guitarist."  Does that mean you have recorded the
> guitar part as audio instead of using notation?  Or are you just frustrated
> because you can't hear the part you're supposed to eventually play once the
> piece is finished?
>
> In any event, the first thing I would check would be your use of
> expressions.  Does the disappearing audio happen at the same place in a
> score every time you play it back?  Is there an expression at that point?
> Might it be one that you created by taking an existing expression and
> copying it and then editing the appearance of it but forgetting to also
> edit the playback effect it might have?
>
> If the places where the audio disappears varies from playback to playback
> of the same score then I don't have any suggestion.  If it's always in the
> same spot then it's something in the score.
>
> Did you enter the parts using a midi controller and hyperscribe?
>
> The next place I'd check would be your Human Playback preferences.  Do you
> get the audio drop-outs if you have HP set to none?
>
> In the Preferences dialog is a panel for Human Playback where you can
> select whether or not Finale incorporates the recorded MIDI data.  The
> default, at least in the Windows version, is to have Human Playback ignore
> 

Re: [Finale] Playback problem

[David H. Bailey]

On 8/30/2017 9:03 PM, John Hyde wrote:
> Hi:
>   I’m running Finale 25.4.0.155 on a MacBook Pro  running Sierra 10.12.6
> 
> Upon upgrading I had more that the usual trouble getting the software to
> see the keyboard but I can kluge around it by opening the file ,them
> closing it and restarting the computer.
> 
>   What’s driving me crazy is that on playback the volume will drop down
> until it is practically or in some cases actually inaudible. I am currently
> working in a piece for pipe organ, tenor sax and electric guitar.
> Sometimes the horn and the guitar come through fine but part or all of the
> organ disappears. At the moment the organ and the sax are coming through
> fine but the guitar is gone. This is particularly irritating since I am
> also the guitarist.
> 
> The volume drop problem goes back at least as far as 2010 when I was
> working on an old power book.
>Having the problem to the extremity of “ disappearing audio  parts”
> me be as recent as my last system upgrade.
> 
>   Any thoughts?
>   Thanks,
>John Hyde

Am I correct in assuming that all other audio from other programs works 
just fine with no dropouts or fading?

I'm confused by your comment about "At the moment the organ and the sax 
are coming through but the guitar is gone.  This is particularly 
irritating since I am also the guitarist."  Does that mean you have 
recorded the guitar part as audio instead of using notation?  Or are you 
just frustrated because you can't hear the part you're supposed to 
eventually play once the piece is finished?

In any event, the first thing I would check would be your use of 
expressions.  Does the disappearing audio happen at the same place in a 
score every time you play it back?  Is there an expression at that 
point?  Might it be one that you created by taking an existing 
expression and copying it and then editing the appearance of it but 
forgetting to also edit the playback effect it might have?

If the places where the audio disappears varies from playback to 
playback of the same score then I don't have any suggestion.  If it's 
always in the same spot then it's something in the score.

Did you enter the parts using a midi controller and hyperscribe?

The next place I'd check would be your Human Playback preferences.  Do 
you get the audio drop-outs if you have HP set to none?

In the Preferences dialog is a panel for Human Playback where you can 
select whether or not Finale incorporates the recorded MIDI data.  The 
default, at least in the Windows version, is to have Human Playback 
ignore the recorded MIDI data for Continuous Data, Velociy, Start/Stop 
Time, Tempo.  If any of those have been changed to "Incorporate Data" 
then try changing those.

I hope others chime with advice -- this can be such a frustrating problem!

Good luck!

-- 
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[Finale] Playback problem

[John Hyde]

Hi:
 I’m running Finale 25.4.0.155 on a MacBook Pro  running Sierra 10.12.6

Upon upgrading I had more that the usual trouble getting the software to
see the keyboard but I can kluge around it by opening the file ,them
closing it and restarting the computer.

 What’s driving me crazy is that on playback the volume will drop down
until it is practically or in some cases actually inaudible. I am currently
working in a piece for pipe organ, tenor sax and electric guitar.
Sometimes the horn and the guitar come through fine but part or all of the
organ disappears. At the moment the organ and the sax are coming through
fine but the guitar is gone. This is particularly irritating since I am
also the guitarist.

   The volume drop problem goes back at least as far as 2010 when I was
working on an old power book.
  Having the problem to the extremity of “ disappearing audio  parts”
me be as recent as my last system upgrade.

 Any thoughts?
 Thanks,
  John Hyde
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Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato

[Michael Lawlor]

I have made sure the expressions are not defined for playback and that HP is 
on but the problem is still there (ppp even if I specify ).  How does HP 
determine what to do when it encounters an expression?

Regards,
Michael

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Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 15:47:43 -0400
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Turn Human Playback on and use pizz. and arco expressions that are NOT 
defined for playback. HP will catch your pizz. and arco expressions 
and interpret accordingly.


Keep in mind that pizz. volume for GPO strings is absurdly loud, so you 
will have to use hidden dynamics if you want realistic playback.


Cheers,

- DJA
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On 23 May 2011, at 3:19 PM, Michael Lawlor wrote:


Noel,
Sorry for not being clear enough.  The pizz. was taken from the default 
set, but since I could not find an arco to counteract this, I set up my 
own. What playback parameters should I create for this?  I have found it 
confusing because there are the parameters that work the old way and 
those for VST / GPO instruments.  I would like to use GPO.

Regards,
Michael

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Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 14:01:25 -0500
From: Noel Stoutenburg mjol...@ticnet.com
Subject: Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato
To: finale@shsu.edu
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Michael

About the situation you describe:

I have just started (~30 bars) entering a work into Finale [2009] and I 
have a problem with volume.  There is a short passage of pizzicato 
followed by a return to arco (the work is for string quartet and uses 
VST instruments).  The volume in the arco section is very quiet.  If I 
change the dynamics to ff, it makes no difference, but if I remove the 
pizz. indication from the previous section then the volume is as 
expected.  Is this a known bug and is there a solution?


You don't specify the source of the pizzicato and arco expressions you
are using, that is, whether you used the ones included in the default
expression library, whether you created your own, or whether perhaps you
got the expressions from some other source. In any event, what you
describe sounds to me to be what I would expect if the pizz.
expression was defined for playback, and the arco expression either was
not defined, or was defined using a different parameter.

And I would not expect dynamics to have an impact on the sound, unless
the controller modified in the pizz. expression was Key velocity,

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Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato

[Noel Stoutenburg]

Michael,

After some further investigation, I found that if you want to use GPO, 
the GPO sample set contains separate samples for violins played arco, 
and for violins played pizzicato. What I don't yet see in the time I've 
had available, is how to change GPO samples with an expression. Until I 
find out how to change samples, here's an old trick that might work: 
define two staves for each string type, assigning one for pizzicato, and 
one for arco and assigning the appropriate GPO patch for each staff. 
Place the notes to be arco in the staff with the arco sample, and the 
notes to be pizzicato in the staff with the pizzicato sample. Now set 
the two staves to print in the same place on the page, and hide the 
staves of the non-playing staff with staff styles.


However, I'd assume that there is someway to change instrument samples 
in GPO mid staff, so I'll continue looking for that when I get a chance; 
meantime, if there's not a way to change GPO samples, we've got a 
feature request for Finale 2013.


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Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato

[Eric Dannewitz]

Couldn't you define the expression to send the note that switches the
patch to pizz? And then define an expression to send the note to
change them back to arco?

The way the GPO works in Kontkat is that there are some really low
notes below the range of the instruments that will switch them between
piz, acro, trem, etc. I assume that the same is true for the finale
version as well.

This Should help you
http://www.finaleforum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3563

Sent from my iSomething

On May 24, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Noel Stoutenburg mjol...@ticnet.com wrote:

 Michael,

 After some further investigation, I found that if you want to use GPO, the 
 GPO sample set contains separate samples for violins played arco, and for 
 violins played pizzicato. What I don't yet see in the time I've had 
 available, is how to change GPO samples with an expression. Until I find out 
 how to change samples, here's an old trick that might work: define two staves 
 for each string type, assigning one for pizzicato, and one for arco and 
 assigning the appropriate GPO patch for each staff. Place the notes to be 
 arco in the staff with the arco sample, and the notes to be pizzicato in the 
 staff with the pizzicato sample. Now set the two staves to print in the same 
 place on the page, and hide the staves of the non-playing staff with staff 
 styles.

 However, I'd assume that there is someway to change instrument samples in GPO 
 mid staff, so I'll continue looking for that when I get a chance; meantime, 
 if there's not a way to change GPO samples, we've got a feature request for 
 Finale 2013.

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Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato

[Noel Stoutenburg]

Eric,

Regarding the comments you wrote:


Couldn't you define the expression to send the note that switches the
patch to pizz? And then define an expression to send the note to
change them back to arco?



Yes, one could, and that seems to be the way to do it.

In the documentation, under the subheading To add keyswitches as 
expressions is a list of steps that seems to detail the process.


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Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato

[Raymond Horton]

You can do that in a simpler fashion than the overlapping staves, which can
give you trouble if you forget they are there and try to edit.  Use
different layers for pizz and arco, or have the expression change patches.

OR

use the GPO samples labels KS for keystroke and the expressions themselves
should work.  They are tricky, though.

Raymond Horton
Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
Composer, Arranger
VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com


On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Noel Stoutenburg mjol...@ticnet.comwrote:

 Michael,

 After some further investigation, I found that if you want to use GPO, the
 GPO sample set contains separate samples for violins played arco, and for
 violins played pizzicato. What I don't yet see in the time I've had
 available, is how to change GPO samples with an expression. Until I find out
 how to change samples, here's an old trick that might work: define two
 staves for each string type, assigning one for pizzicato, and one for arco
 and assigning the appropriate GPO patch for each staff. Place the notes to
 be arco in the staff with the arco sample, and the notes to be pizzicato in
 the staff with the pizzicato sample. Now set the two staves to print in the
 same place on the page, and hide the staves of the non-playing staff with
 staff styles.

 However, I'd assume that there is someway to change instrument samples in
 GPO mid staff, so I'll continue looking for that when I get a chance;
 meantime, if there's not a way to change GPO samples, we've got a feature
 request for Finale 2013.

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Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato

[Darcy James Argue]

Use the keyswitched GPO instruments (the ones with KS in the name) and HP 
switches automatically from arco to pizz.

Cheers,

- DJA
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On 24 May 2011, at 12:13 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:

 Michael,
 
 After some further investigation, I found that if you want to use GPO, the 
 GPO sample set contains separate samples for violins played arco, and for 
 violins played pizzicato. What I don't yet see in the time I've had 
 available, is how to change GPO samples with an expression. Until I find out 
 how to change samples, here's an old trick that might work: define two staves 
 for each string type, assigning one for pizzicato, and one for arco and 
 assigning the appropriate GPO patch for each staff. Place the notes to be 
 arco in the staff with the arco sample, and the notes to be pizzicato in the 
 staff with the pizzicato sample. Now set the two staves to print in the same 
 place on the page, and hide the staves of the non-playing staff with staff 
 styles.
 
 However, I'd assume that there is someway to change instrument samples in GPO 
 mid staff, so I'll continue looking for that when I get a chance; meantime, 
 if there's not a way to change GPO samples, we've got a feature request for 
 Finale 2013.
 
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Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato

[Michael Lawlor]

I have fixed it!
I created a brand new expression, for which I have only entered the 
text,arco.  No setting of key switches or any other parameters.  It is 
surprising the defaults do not work!

Thanks for all the help.
Michael 


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Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato

[Michael Lawlor]

Noel,
Sorry for not being clear enough.  The pizz. was taken from the default set, 
but since I could not find an arco to counteract this, I set up my own. 
What playback parameters should I create for this?  I have found it 
confusing because there are the parameters that work the old way and those 
for VST / GPO instruments.  I would like to use GPO.

Regards,
Michael

- Original Message - 

Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 14:01:25 -0500
From: Noel Stoutenburg mjol...@ticnet.com
Subject: Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato
To: finale@shsu.edu
Message-ID: 4dd95d85.20...@ticnet.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Michael

About the situation you describe:

I have just started (~30 bars) entering a work into Finale [2009] and I 
have a problem with volume.  There is a short passage of pizzicato 
followed by a return to arco (the work is for string quartet and uses VST 
instruments).  The volume in the arco section is very quiet.  If I change 
the dynamics to ff, it makes no difference, but if I remove the pizz. 
indication from the previous section then the volume is as expected.  Is 
this a known bug and is there a solution?


You don't specify the source of the pizzicato and arco expressions you
are using, that is, whether you used the ones included in the default
expression library, whether you created your own, or whether perhaps you
got the expressions from some other source. In any event, what you
describe sounds to me to be what I would expect if the pizz.
expression was defined for playback, and the arco expression either was
not defined, or was defined using a different parameter.

And I would not expect dynamics to have an impact on the sound, unless
the controller modified in the pizz. expression was Key velocity,

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Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato

[Darcy James Argue]

Turn Human Playback on and use pizz. and arco expressions that are NOT defined 
for playback. HP will catch your pizz. and arco expressions and interpret 
accordingly.

Keep in mind that pizz. volume for GPO strings is absurdly loud, so you will 
have to use hidden dynamics if you want realistic playback.

Cheers,

- DJA
-
WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org



On 23 May 2011, at 3:19 PM, Michael Lawlor wrote:

 Noel,
 Sorry for not being clear enough.  The pizz. was taken from the default set, 
 but since I could not find an arco to counteract this, I set up my own. What 
 playback parameters should I create for this?  I have found it confusing 
 because there are the parameters that work the old way and those for VST / 
 GPO instruments.  I would like to use GPO.
 Regards,
 Michael
 
 - Original Message - 
 Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 14:01:25 -0500
 From: Noel Stoutenburg mjol...@ticnet.com
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Message-ID: 4dd95d85.20...@ticnet.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
 
 Michael
 
 About the situation you describe:
 
 I have just started (~30 bars) entering a work into Finale [2009] and I 
 have a problem with volume.  There is a short passage of pizzicato followed 
 by a return to arco (the work is for string quartet and uses VST 
 instruments).  The volume in the arco section is very quiet.  If I change 
 the dynamics to ff, it makes no difference, but if I remove the pizz. 
 indication from the previous section then the volume is as expected.  Is 
 this a known bug and is there a solution?
 
 You don't specify the source of the pizzicato and arco expressions you
 are using, that is, whether you used the ones included in the default
 expression library, whether you created your own, or whether perhaps you
 got the expressions from some other source. In any event, what you
 describe sounds to me to be what I would expect if the pizz.
 expression was defined for playback, and the arco expression either was
 not defined, or was defined using a different parameter.
 
 And I would not expect dynamics to have an impact on the sound, unless
 the controller modified in the pizz. expression was Key velocity,
 
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[Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato

[Michael Lawlor]

I have just started (~30 bars) entering a work into Finale [2009] and I have a 
problem with volume.  There is a short passage of pizzicato followed by a 
return to arco (the work is for string quartet and uses VST instruments).  The 
volume in the arco section is very quiet.  If I change the dynamics to ff, it 
makes no difference, but if I remove the pizz. indication from the previous 
section then the volume is as expected.  Is this a known bug and is there a 
solution?
Regards,
Michael Lawlor
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Re: [Finale] Playback Problem after Pizzicato

[Noel Stoutenburg]

Michael

About the situation you describe:


I have just started (~30 bars) entering a work into Finale [2009] and I have a 
problem with volume.  There is a short passage of pizzicato followed by a 
return to arco (the work is for string quartet and uses VST instruments).  The 
volume in the arco section is very quiet.  If I change the dynamics to ff, it 
makes no difference, but if I remove the pizz. indication from the previous 
section then the volume is as expected.  Is this a known bug and is there a 
solution?


You don't specify the source of the pizzicato and arco expressions you 
are using, that is, whether you used the ones included in the default 
expression library, whether you created your own, or whether perhaps you 
got the expressions from some other source. In any event, what you 
describe sounds to me to be what I would expect if the pizz. 
expression was defined for playback, and the arco expression either was 
not defined, or was defined using a different parameter.


And I would not expect dynamics to have an impact on the sound, unless 
the controller modified in the pizz. expression was Key velocity,


ns
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Re: [Finale] Playback problem

[Craig Parmerlee]

This is happening on all my 2010 projects and it is driving me nuts.  It 
never happened at 2009 but a collaborator has started using 2010, so I 
must use the same.  It is worst when playing back an individual part by 
doing ctrl-spacebar while flying the mouse over the notes in question. 

Any rumors when they'll be putting out patches for 2010?  I'm not sure 
how long I can take that.  it is REALLY annoying.  I've had to do the 
all-notes-off command 20 times this evening already.



Christopher Smith wrote:
I can't help you with the problem, except that maybe you have created 
an expression, or something with the MIDI tool, that sends a sustain 
pedal ON message without ever sending the off message. Did you take a 
pedal articulation and change it to something else without checking 
the playback? That has got me more than once.


However, next time you have sounding notes hanging over, use the All 
Notes Off command from the MIDI/Audio menu. Then you won't have to 
quit. I have to do this sometimes when I accidentally hold a key down 
during Speedy Entry and change staves.


Christopher


On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Rudy Lupinski wrote:

Sorry, I had already sent the following, but I used my other e-mail 
address which isn't on your subscribers' list.  I'm sending it again 
with the correct e-mail.


I am using Finale 2010 on my MacBook Pro, running OS 10.5.8.  I’ve 
just encountered a weird problem with one of my files when I try to 
play it back.  All the sounds keep holding after they have been 
played and doesn’t quit sounding even when I stop the playback.  I 
literately have to close the file to get it to quit sounding.


I have it playing through Garritan instruments.  I tried using 
general midi sounds and it does the same thing.  It doesn’t do this 
with my other Finale files.  Somehow I must have changed something in 
the human playback settings, but I can’t seem to figure out what it 
is.  I’ve tried setting the human playback to NONE, but it does the 
same.


This file did NOT have this problem before.  The only thing I have 
done is I started messing with Hyperscribe on a completely different 
file and I updated my OS to 10.5.8.


Like I said before, none of my files have been effected.  They all 
playback normally.


My last resort is to copy everything and paste the music into a new 
file. I don’t want to do this yet until maybe someone may know how to 
solve this problem.



Rudy Lupinski
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Re: [Finale] Playback problem

[Chuck Israels]

A maintenance upgrade is on the way, but I don't know if it solves  
this problem, and I don't know when it will be released.


Chuck


On Aug 17, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:

This is happening on all my 2010 projects and it is driving me  
nuts.  It never happened at 2009 but a collaborator has started  
using 2010, so I must use the same.  It is worst when playing back  
an individual part by doing ctrl-spacebar while flying the mouse  
over the notes in question.
Any rumors when they'll be putting out patches for 2010?  I'm not  
sure how long I can take that.  it is REALLY annoying.  I've had to  
do the all-notes-off command 20 times this evening already.



Christopher Smith wrote:
I can't help you with the problem, except that maybe you have  
created an expression, or something with the MIDI tool, that sends  
a sustain pedal ON message without ever sending the off message.  
Did you take a pedal articulation and change it to something else  
without checking the playback? That has got me more than once.


However, next time you have sounding notes hanging over, use the  
All Notes Off command from the MIDI/Audio menu. Then you won't have  
to quit. I have to do this sometimes when I accidentally hold a key  
down during Speedy Entry and change staves.


Christopher


On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Rudy Lupinski wrote:

Sorry, I had already sent the following, but I used my other e- 
mail address which isn't on your subscribers' list.  I'm sending  
it again with the correct e-mail.


I am using Finale 2010 on my MacBook Pro, running OS 10.5.8.  I’ve  
just encountered a weird problem with one of my files when I try  
to play it back.  All the sounds keep holding after they have been  
played and doesn’t quit sounding even when I stop the playback.  I  
literately have to close the file to get it to quit sounding.


I have it playing through Garritan instruments.  I tried using  
general midi sounds and it does the same thing.  It doesn’t do  
this with my other Finale files.  Somehow I must have changed  
something in the human playback settings, but I can’t seem to  
figure out what it is.  I’ve tried setting the human playback to  
NONE, but it does the same.


This file did NOT have this problem before.  The only thing I have  
done is I started messing with Hyperscribe on a completely  
different file and I updated my OS to 10.5.8.


Like I said before, none of my files have been effected.  They all  
playback normally.


My last resort is to copy everything and paste the music into a  
new file. I don’t want to do this yet until maybe someone may know  
how to solve this problem.



Rudy Lupinski
rp...@yahoo.com
rudylupin...@sbcglobal.net

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RE: [Finale] Playback problem

[Peter Taylor]

Try this:

MIDI/Audio  Device Setup  MIDI Setup...
Check the box marked Match On/Off in the MIDI Out panel

Peter



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Rudy Lupinski
Sent: 13 August 2009 15:14
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] Playback problem

Sorry, I had already sent the following, but I used my other e-mail address 
which isn't on your subscribers' list.  I'm sending it again with the correct 
e-mail.

I am using Finale 2010 on my MacBook Pro, running OS 10.5.8.  I’ve just 
encountered a weird problem with one of my files when I try to play it back.  
All the sounds keep holding after they have been played and doesn’t quit 
sounding even when I stop the playback.  I literately have to close the file to 
get it to quit sounding.

I have it playing through Garritan instruments.  I tried using general midi 
sounds and it does the same thing.  It doesn’t do this with my other Finale 
files.  Somehow I must have changed something in the human playback settings, 
but I can’t seem to figure out what it is.  I’ve tried setting the human 
playback to NONE, but it does the same.

This file did NOT have this problem before.  The only thing I have done is I 
started messing with Hyperscribe on a completely different file and I updated 
my OS to 10.5.8.

Like I said before, none of my files have been effected.  They all playback 
normally.

My last resort is to copy everything and paste the music into a new file. I 
don’t want to do this yet until maybe someone may know how to solve this 
problem.


Rudy Lupinski
rp...@yahoo.com
rudylupin...@sbcglobal.net

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[Finale] Playback problem

[Rudy Lupinski]

Sorry, I had already sent the following, but I used my other e-mail address 
which isn't on your subscribers' list.  I'm sending it again with the correct 
e-mail.

I am using Finale 2010 on my MacBook Pro, running OS 10.5.8.  I’ve just 
encountered a weird problem with one of my files when I try to play it back.  
All the sounds keep holding after they have been played and doesn’t quit 
sounding even when I stop the playback.  I literately have to close the file to 
get it to quit sounding.

I have it playing through Garritan instruments.  I tried using general midi 
sounds and it does the same thing.  It doesn’t do this with my other Finale 
files.  Somehow I must have changed something in the human playback settings, 
but I can’t seem to figure out what it is.  I’ve tried setting the human 
playback to NONE, but it does the same.

This file did NOT have this problem before.  The only thing I have done is I 
started messing with Hyperscribe on a completely different file and I updated 
my OS to 10.5.8.

Like I said before, none of my files have been effected.  They all playback 
normally.

My last resort is to copy everything and paste the music into a new file. I 
don’t want to do this yet until maybe someone may know how to solve this 
problem.


Rudy Lupinski
rp...@yahoo.com
rudylupin...@sbcglobal.net

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Re: [Finale] Playback problem

[Christopher Smith]

I can't help you with the problem, except that maybe you have created  
an expression, or something with the MIDI tool, that sends a sustain  
pedal ON message without ever sending the off message. Did you take a  
pedal articulation and change it to something else without checking  
the playback? That has got me more than once.


However, next time you have sounding notes hanging over, use the All  
Notes Off command from the MIDI/Audio menu. Then you won't have to  
quit. I have to do this sometimes when I accidentally hold a key down  
during Speedy Entry and change staves.


Christopher


On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Rudy Lupinski wrote:

Sorry, I had already sent the following, but I used my other e-mail  
address which isn't on your subscribers' list.  I'm sending it  
again with the correct e-mail.


I am using Finale 2010 on my MacBook Pro, running OS 10.5.8.  I’ve  
just encountered a weird problem with one of my files when I try to  
play it back.  All the sounds keep holding after they have been  
played and doesn’t quit sounding even when I stop the playback.  I  
literately have to close the file to get it to quit sounding.


I have it playing through Garritan instruments.  I tried using  
general midi sounds and it does the same thing.  It doesn’t do this  
with my other Finale files.  Somehow I must have changed something  
in the human playback settings, but I can’t seem to figure out what  
it is.  I’ve tried setting the human playback to NONE, but it does  
the same.


This file did NOT have this problem before.  The only thing I have  
done is I started messing with Hyperscribe on a completely  
different file and I updated my OS to 10.5.8.


Like I said before, none of my files have been effected.  They all  
playback normally.


My last resort is to copy everything and paste the music into a new  
file. I don’t want to do this yet until maybe someone may know how  
to solve this problem.



Rudy Lupinski
rp...@yahoo.com
rudylupin...@sbcglobal.net

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