[Flightgear-devel] Netiquette
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hello everyone, probably I'm not the right person to write this as my last code commit was ages ago - but I'm still following the discussions on this list: Currently I'm seeing quite a few mails with a full quote of the mail referring to (e.g. the Water shader issues thread). This doesn't help understanging the new point - it's causing the opposite, as the new comment has to be found in all the quotating... So can you please stick to the general rules about right quotating in mails as defined by the netiquette? Thank you, Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREIAAYFAk+UL+cACgkQoWM1JLkHou3gWQCeM+2VIUOoiH50suQJ2T/ulfP7 rAYAoIu3Fs4bVPyaXb6lIS8uF3vJE6PT =UiIN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] nasal: vector, quaternion, matrix math?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Am 16.05.2011 19:02, schrieb Curtis Olson: Long term it might be fun to expose the SimGear SGMath vector, matrix, and quaternion classes through nasal, but for the short term I'm thinking of doing something less efficient. No solution for Nasal, but for the other maxtrix and vector stuff: The eigen project (http://eigen.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=Main_Page) has very efficient linear algebra for small fixed (- 3D graphics) as well as big matrices that are blending perfectly into C++. They are even using C++ features to be faster than simple function calls could ever be. I suggest to have a close look there and switching all the internal matrix math to eigen. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREIAAYFAk3RYg0ACgkQoWM1JLkHou1VpACeKHto60AUrosTnJydiFq45D2s CrMAnAyaBzCUEovAZ2XJgd+vaEb0xhEa =zphJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C++ for Simulation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Jon S. Berndt schrieb: If cost is an issue (isn't it always?), is it worth it to expend the resources to clean up code that may have been gathering flotsam and jetsam for years - particularly if you want to add some new features (base on new requirements), anyhow? I'm sure you know the never change a running system. This is IMHO responsible for the many old fashioned Fortan stuff that's still used today (although modern C++ would give better performance, etc. pp.) On the other hand at my day job the embedded software development team next to me does change languages (from hand coded C to ASCET to TargetLink to Simulink Embedded Coder) - but that's a slow process and only parts that need a redesign are affected. The parts that need only minor additions will stay in the same language unless there's a big need to. So what would I do in your case (except that I don't know it ;): Stay with the C code, write unit tests that cover the interface of the C modules (anyway a good idea) and then switch to C++ module by module when that module needs a major change. Use the unit tests to make sure the C++ behaves the same as the C. Sometime inbetween you might change from C with C++ moduled over to the C++ with C modules (what I guess would be the major benefit by that language change). CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREIAAYFAkyTqdwACgkQoWM1JLkHou3aZACgjP4tIAno2/KyuNMSUXdksd9I HNAAn2+FhLzf7mTaM+swWH+0Ubu5BnDx =eBIT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances and start using them to simplify application deployment and accelerate your shift to cloud computing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Seeking permission -- reuse of SimGear component
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Michael A. K. Gross schrieb: Unfortunately, it claims GPLv2. That would force NASA's hand at releasing the planner code publicly, not something I can do as a contractor Please read the Licence (GPLv2) carefully again. It tells you, that you have to make the code available to everyone whom you give the software (binary package) - as a contractor I guess you have to da that anyway... You are NOT required to make the code available to the public! (But you couldn't stop anyone else from doing that, e.g. if NASA decides to do that...) So I guess you are save here - but please consult someone with law experience first, as I'm not a lawyer... CU, Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREIAAYFAkt/pfkACgkQoWM1JLkHou2jNwCglGbpe9Ll8Tr5EMbGtrlbP0a5 xZMAnRaedPVYqfqb0ca/hBJi9lystOxc =bw7B -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Outerra
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 James Sleeman schrieb: Heiko Schulz wrote: Just for those who wants to know what's going on in the flight sim world: Outerra is a new 3d-engine for seamless planet rendering. That's what a dense forest should look like. And that grass textures! And look at the shadow when they fly along lowly, that slightly bumpy ground surface. I also loved the forrest and the wobbly gound where you could see the shadow. But their graphics engine has a big problem (I hope they can easly fix it): the landscape in the back pops. There are mountains that are just appearing. Such an effect during a phase where the pilot has to be highly concentrated is not acceptable - at least for a professional flight sim AFAIK. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREIAAYFAktwRTwACgkQoWM1JLkHou23HgCeODuMznao8PJBUuHihHVLzu7/ gMcAn3CmVEjngvUQxwV+vq4BxmtSXgnT =xz58 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the business Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Laptop Recommentations
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Stuart Buchanan schrieb: So far, my requirements list is as follows: * 17 screen * NVidia graphics card (non-integrated) * Ubuntu support * Plenty of USB sockets for joystick/pedals. That looks like the list for my Laptop replacement ;) - except that I want an Core i7 processor. But those are surprisingly rare currently (I hope the CES is changeing that at the moment) One thing to remember when switching from PC to a laptop: even with dedicated 3D acceleration the performance of those chips is one to two years behind those from the PC graphic cards. This might bite you if your panel has a high resolution and you want to use features like antialiasing (or playing modern high end games). That's probably not a show stoper but worth to remember. CU, Chris PS: Brand wise I'm usually sticking to Acer as those seem to have the best value for money (at least a few years ago that was) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREIAAYFAktHYNsACgkQoWM1JLkHou2ydwCfXeoOaeLkl9innptL/S+hIbYR aukAn1f03DKFllfUWiwudBqUYMfzgY4X =9bos -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] least squares code
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Curtis Olson schrieb: I will be receiving a sequence of 2d data points in real time. I will start by assuming a linear relationship/fit which I know in advance is a [...] A method that forgets the oldest data and weights newer data more heavily might also be interesting (versus an approach that sums up the entire history of the data ... although that would be ok too.) I'm happy to start simple and get fancier later on if I need to. Hm, doesn't that sound like a Kalam filter would be a great approach? CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREIAAYFAkraM1oACgkQoWM1JLkHou0uGwCfe2v3upATKfPvqWKGMX6U1uut P7cAoII+/7MnWuOrWjDmgQeNGT1uMKtL =0Tnu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear web site is updated.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 We should change our last announcement (or change the version number of this release): Looking at the announcement page we are releasing 1.9.0 but one enty earlier it says: October 27, 2008 - World Scenery v1.0.1 released. The World Scenery is made in preparation for the FlightGear 1.99.x ^^^ release, but from a technical point is should also work with the previous v1.0 version of FlightGear CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREIAAYFAklPlbIACgkQoWM1JLkHou2LhgCdH6s2Z4DUYwqaJrxApgkEUWKr kCYAnAiFEGkVg8eUkSi+UaHCz1vD7pRt =Ynag -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Best cartesian point class to use
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 James Turner schrieb: (following from my recent discovery that Point3D is archeology at best...) What is the 'best' type to be using in new code for Cartesian co- ordinates? Not for rendering related things, where I assume osg::Vec3 is the way to go, but for other numerical work. In my case, fast distance comparisons of FGPositioned. SGVec3double seems like the obvious candidate, but it's a very Spartan class - not much syntactic sugar to help with manipulating it. I could submit patches to extend it, but I want to check that it's the right class, and the right approach, before going down that path. Maybe osg::Vec3 is also the way to go for all Cartesian coords? FGFS is a mess when it comes to vector libraries. Back in my coding times there were classes for it in use. They came from: PLIB, SimGear and JSBSim. Now it seems OSG brings another lib as well... My suggestion it totally different: I've looked at the development of Eigen2 (http://eigen.tuxfamily.org/) for a while. It has a very clear API, powerful linear algebra functions and is extremely fast. As it uses expression templates it even has the potential to be faster than any ordinary library. = My suggestion is to port all vector stuff to Eigen2 (a smooth transition should be possible) and use it exclusively. (Eigen2 doesn't have polar coordinates yet and doesn't offer our advanced geographic calculations yet, but those should be easy to add... Hey, if there's a consensus to port FGFS I offer to extend Eigen2 by this functionality :) CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREIAAYFAkk0Kr0ACgkQoWM1JLkHou1pUgCeK+iIdXE+IbOf3hVjLkz0yLwc ax8AnREqJ0F7NSNJ+EMDYqTPWg6gDX6t =dx2A -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 If we add a little lable / watermark on all screenshots on the homepage with http://www.flightgear.org/; (or one of our logos...) it makes reusing them much more difficult... Perhaps adding a copyright statement as well would be even better. This doesn't prevent any copying - but it might stop any accidental reuse... Stuart Buchanan schrieb: --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Curtis Olson wrote: Someone pointed out this site to me. It probably falls into the category of just barely ok, but I thought I'd post the link here to get some more eyes on it. http://flight-aviator.com/ One way to discourage this sort of thing would be to include www.flightgear.org prominently in the startup screens, in the same way that we include initializing sub-systems, initializing scenery. Possibly with an added message along the lines of Welcome to FlightGear, the free open source flight simulator. That would force the rip-off merchants to at least compile the code, rather than simply replacing some .pngs! -Stuart - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREIAAYFAkknR8cACgkQoWM1JLkHou2GtwCfU05asnlTCReczaSNAnUtRJHW uRsAnjNeZBWnI6kzGOoaqlDkMbc41Anm =Yrun -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to put a dynamic model from MatLab inside Flightgear
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hallo Thiago, although mI haven't hacked FGFS for ages and never used it togeth with Matlab I hope I can help: When you are using a Matlab flight dynamics model FGFS runs completely independently of it - it get's the relevant data over an network connection (you could run the FDM on a PC in Europe and FGFS for the visuals in the USA if there'd be a need for it...) If your aim is to avoid that users of your FDM need a expensive Matlab licence you could run your Model through the Real Time Workshop (which needs an expensive license...) and compile your model into an executable. This executable will run on only one platform (unless you are generation executables for all relevant platforms like Linux, Windows or MacOS), doesn't need a Matlab licence and still use the network interface of FGFS. If you want to integrate the code of your model directly into FGFS you could use the C code that the Real Time Workshop is generating and add the relevant interfaces manually so that it becomes the fourth FDM (together with JSBSim, YASim and UIUC). This would be the best way for performance and allows others to modify the source - but there's no way back from the C code to the Matlab code. The C code also isn't the most readable one (but you can get used to it...) and, which might be a bigger draw back, you might still need libraries that are shipped together with Matlab and which aren't allowed to be redistributed. I'd prefer a different way though: leave Matlab alone and code directly in C or C++, but that wouldn't answer the question though... CU, Christian Thiago Holanda schrieb: Hello, I am working with UAV. I have made a dynamic model of a small-helicopter (Raptor 50) in the MatLab. I am using the Flightgear to see the animations from model by network. I made the model using the simulink of the MatLab and I set up it to send the flight parameters by UDP/IP. I set up the Flightgear to receive the parameters by flight-modelnetwork/flight-model. I got one 3D model of the small-helicopter and it is work very well. But I want more portability. I know there are 3 ways to insert a new model: JSBSim, *YASim* and UIUC. But I want to use the model that I made in MatLab inside the Flightgear without playing MatLab. It sounds like I put the MatLab model in the internet for anyone download and put it only in the aircraft dir in the Flightgear without MatLab. I know there is one way to code all model from MatLab to C/C++. Does it help anything? If I didn't explain clearly please ask me. Regards, Thiago Holanda. -- Antes de magoar um coração, veja se não está dentro dele. Pois se um dia chorei, não foi porque perdi e sim porque amei. Que a paz esteja contigo. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREIAAYFAkkSKH8ACgkQoWM1JLkHou28vgCdHdxhM4VrytE4YvulRBeHGZUY Wy4AoIFNyI3z75vstcC+VGxJIQtMTFV7 =/fDd -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] HEADS UP: Scenery regeneration
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Ralf, Ralf Gerlich schrieb: [...] The actual problem lies within TriangleJRS, the triangulation code of TerraGear, [...] Fixing TriangleJRS was not possible for me as I am clearly not a computational geometry man. if the triangulation code causes trouble, you could try CGAL (http://www.cgal.org/). They have very robust and well designed computational geometry codes. If you are using the triangulation not with a normal kernel (that uses e.g. double) but with an filtered kernel (or even an exact one...) you'll get reliable results that a guaranteed to be stable. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFInWRPoWM1JLkHou0RCAJ5AJkBtpSXmdN8PTTmmCg/5zB75rJ5RgCcDBKf lq8NPQstVnSIhA+5fZ5//zA= =1hbo -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D trees
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Josh Babcock schrieb: LeeE wrote: On Sunday 30 December 2007 09:47, Detlef Faber wrote: Hello, Could it be that the overhead of rotating many simple billboard objects accounts for the performance hit over an equivalent number of more complex static models? Probably has more to do with the fact that the billboards are not only UV mapped, but also have an alpha channel. These new ones appear to just be using OGL materials. I wonder, does OSG do vertex painting? That would be a great way to make these look better without adding a texture. I'm a bit out of the current 3D programming that FGFS uses... But wouldn't a vertex shader help in this case (for billboarding as well as generic trees)? CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHd9/poWM1JLkHou0RCFCfAKCE2g6AAdHOUffVyPNzt8BtSQSZrgCfYnUW ig9HdTPaKCJWjqD+Twk/t0k= =UOSw -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Random Objects OSG patch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Chris Metzler schrieb: On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:38:48 -0600 Curtis Olson wrote: 2. The random seed could have probably been better chosen because there were areas where you'd get 5 water towers in a straight line. I never chased that one down, but I always suspected it was related to the choice of random seed. This was something that drove me nuts too. But it shouldn't be a problem with the seed, at least not exclusively. Patterns like this in the output of a random number generator are almost always the fault of a poorly-implemented random number generator -- a linear or multiplicative congruential generator with poor choice of multiplier or modulus. The ones that come with C or C++ standard libraries almost always fit into this category. This might be a case where the great BOOST Project might help us: http://www.boost.org/libs/random/index.html For those that don't know Boost yet (is there anyone left?): Boost is the playground where new C++ libraries get developed that might become part of the next C++ standard. Using their stuff is almost like using official C++... CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHdVdcoWM1JLkHou0RCNG1AJ0dacPg5cgrhe82PJRVp5LrE1zDzwCfd9PL UaIC/PCcBc4gDnvoXmbNKNY= =jeu7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Fontsize problem at the Homepage
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, looking at the aircraft download page the text under the thumbnails is extremly small (height: 5 pixel...) Can we change that? (I *guess* the culprit is the font-size:80%) As far as I can see the plane download page is the only affected one... (System: Kubuntu 7.10, Firefox; all other web pages are looking normal) CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHc8yDoWM1JLkHou0RCCJHAJ9Ff5+OPy0zVZfnwL0HXokm0BPuPwCcDKB9 RXsEPjvpTGgKVvuW7/F/n0Q= =iq6O -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] screenshots (and snapshots)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 AnMaster schrieb: All screenshots have been looselessly compressed with optipng before uploading (http://optipng.sourceforge.net/) at max level. I don't think that screenshots need a lossles compression. JPG is optimized for photograph-like images, so it works well for our screenshots. And even a few JPG artifacts wouldn't matter as people know that that's a JPG feature and not a FGFS fault. Also I think your screenshot file size is too large. When people have to wait too long to see an image they'll skip it and perhaps might leave the web page. This is especially sad as many people are only looking at the screenshots first and then are looking for the rest, so we'll loose these customers forever... :( My suggestion: do a JPG compression with roughly 80% - and hope that the full screenshot won't be much bigger than 100 KB then. If it's much bigger try a different screen resolution and/or a higher JPG compression. About the image size: people are looking at the screenshots with their web browser. So there are window borders, menus, navigation bar, etc. pp. that also have to fit on the monitor. And it's quite bad if the customer has to scroll to see the full beauty of our screenshots. And not every customer has a screen resolution of at least 1400x1050 (or even better). I'd aim for a full screen browser window on a screen with a resolution of 1280x1024 (saver: 1024x768) with a maximized browser. That leaves roughly a resolution of about 1200x800 (or 1000x600). Anyway: nice screenshots! CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHY5TloWM1JLkHou0RCDg6AJ9TpU/EpwaIcMNNCpiEf6dN0/JhygCfS/jy OLwC9zIEgcZU40r1+wTdgp4= =+Vjw -END PGP SIGNATURE- - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft selection summary
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 AJ MacLeod schrieb: One point which keeps cropping up is size. While I fully agree that it's important to keep the base package to a reasonable size so that people aren't put off downloading FG, I also think that there's perhaps even a danger in not showing off FG quite enough. Without wanting to get into tiresome my sim's better than yours comparisons, and definitely not wishing to follow suit like sheep, it's certainly valid to consider the download size of the FS-X and X-Plane demos... As we've got enough planes now we could offer a starter set in the base package and offer additional, themes aircraft pacages (+ the possibility to download individual planes) We could have a figher package, a comercial jet package, etc. pp. This gives us the best of both worlds: a slim base package as well as packs with selections of great planes (there even a 40+ MB AN2 would have a place as it's only aditional). CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHWDOMoWM1JLkHou0RCCZCAJ4gWe78ZLX9AIGPI2OUjaRZz+PMqwCePhnc /bLm3akmTj1r/EBwZeIOtEI= =uTqP -END PGP SIGNATURE- - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Robert Black schrieb: On Saturday 01 December 2007 02:38:13 pm alexis bory wrote: Heiko Schulz wrote: But we havn't found a number yet- so how should we find the right name? Alexis Identifying the versions as stable testing and unstable might not be a bad idea. It tells people that active development is going on and there are new releases planned. eg... Flightgear Current Stable Version 0.9.10 Wright Testing 1.0 Lindenburg Unstable v1.5-osg Simstick As I wrote before I doubt that that will work for FGFS. Currently we've got a stable branch (even numbers at the second position) and a development branch (odd numbers at the sechon position). But all we do happens in the development brach and nothing gets backported to the stable branch. I'm for dropping this scheme and only release current versions. BTW, even the linux kernel developing process dropped that scheme - and *they* are realy depending on showing the customers (aka users) if they are working with stable or unstable code... A crashing FGFS is annoying, a crashing kernel can be desasterous... CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHUtqmoWM1JLkHou0RCCM8AJ9zr/e8RSUV2hlwChn88/zHHiBvvQCfceWw 26zRmzlAFEZIW3qMcmrsc2w= =sMcf -END PGP SIGNATURE- - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Curtis Olson schrieb: How about a quick, friendly, positive, informal thread here to do a poll on what what folks are thinking for the next version number. The odd/even numbering scheme doesn't really work for us (did anyone ever backport bugfixes to our stable series?) So *my* preference with the biggest continuity: 0.10.0 But I also like the idea of dropping the first zero - we kept it far too long... That'll be 10.0 then. Looking at our development process I also like the idea of an [k]ubunutu like scheme and just call it 07.12 What I don't like is avoiding 0.9.11 because of associations it might cause (at that day mass murder has happened - but terrorism is only working when we belive in it *and* react to it. Don't feed the trolls, no matter how hard it is for the victims I'm feeling very sorry for). What I like is a version number that represents the state of FGFS (or drop the thing that nobody needs and just use the current date...) CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHUJdkoWM1JLkHou0RCLVjAJ4iGIPgOmrJef7Wzv4/9QQALA3BgwCeKiqx 587h+EIEho1QNeOwgLoOBZA= =RBWR -END PGP SIGNATURE- - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Keyboard reorg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 David Megginson schrieb: [...] 2. Decide on a block of keys to be set aside for per-aircraft key assignment. [...] Hi David, it's a great idea at the right time to set a standard for the key bindings. Here are some of my thoughts: 1) try to stay consistent to the most important bindings we've got so far - this helps our user base 2) offer an alternative setting for ex M$FS users :) 3) be consistent (if necessary break 1) for that) 4) use Ctrl and Alt to seperate the bindings. (This helps 3) and 1) as the key might stay the same, just an Ctrl or Alt is added) e.g.: key and shift-key are for default plane actions (shift-key is the opposite). Gear, flaps and lighting are great examples. Alt-key and Alt-shift-key are for plane model individual settings. Ctrl-key and Ctrl-shift-key are for simulator settings. (e.g. Ctrl-[t] could speed up the simulation and Ctrl-shift-[t] could slow it down) This set would be consistent. Default action is the key itself. The reverse action is by adding shift. The default plane actions are easy to reach and separated from the model specific options and the simulator options. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHOYjqoWM1JLkHou0RCNULAJ93G9TgkxpJOBLF5MuUi4BcrKcIEgCcCaDc ufrqpqxaRgpp4Pd6oRM/K5A= =grcB -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal poll: driving simulation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, for my living I'm developing powertrain modells for hardware in the loop simulators (for a well known OEM...). As my part covers only longitudinal dynamics I'm currently not using any 3D visualisation, but my drivetrain colleagues are using already software like http://www.dspaceinc.com/ww/en/inc/home/products/sw/expsoft/modesk.cfm But I guess that an AutomotiveGear would be a great (licence fee free) addition for our test stand :) Apart from that I can imagine great multiplayer sessions :) CU, Christian Curtis Olson wrote: I'd like to do a quick informal poll here. My day job involves maintaining and managing an advanced research driving simulator: http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/Facilities/index.html http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/Facilities/index.html There has been some vague discussions here in my lab about launching a project to create some sort of open-source driving simulator software targetted towards research applications (i.e. open-ended, interfaceable, highly scriptable, highly adaptable.) FlightGear seems like it could be a very logical starting point. So I am wondering if anyone out there would have any particular interest in adapting flightgear to accurate simulate surface vehicles and perhaps develop a better infrastructure for representing roadway environments, traffic, signs, signal lights, etc. My mind goes to all the animation and scripting abilities we already have with FlightGear, the ability to drive multiple displays/monitors, our mutliplayer capability, our weather and time of day effects, etc. We would need a more accurate vehicle dynamics model (or extensions to existing models to model car engines and transmissions.) We may (or may not) need to do some work generating more rich and detailed roads and road environments. Finally (and this is probably the hardest task by far as I'm sure Durk could attest to) we would ultimately want a very realistic AI traffic simulation ... cars that follow the rules of the road, obey signal lights, avoid accidents, don't have distracting behavior bugs, have tunable aggressiveness levels, have realistic variations ... i.e. cars stopped at an intersection don't all have exactly the same lane offset and gap spacing ... I could go on and on ... merging behavior, round abouts, properly interacting with pedestrian traffic, bicycles on the shoulder, trains, etc. This gets really hard, really fast. So I would be interested if there is anyone out there that would be especially interested in adapting FlightGear for car/truck type simulation, especially if your interest level (and available time) might push you to the point of being willing to contribute to such an effort. Thanks, Curt. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGuMQioWM1JLkHou0RCI0tAKCGXNYQ8o5YlYfxQMzO364IpSbjigCcC86e PVgF62m8dpFxdDKhCiK2Mcw= =cgZf -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] reality issues in MP, Was: Flying at/for LinuxTag (fwd)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Joacim Persson wrote: Anyway, look at the wind strut. It looks as if the 225 was lining up to take off in a tail wind. And this brings up the issue of MP and reality: The metar weather for EDDI on Friday was wind from 50 degrees, and the default FG weather is 270 degrees. Some pilots where using runways 27L and 27R and others where using 09L and 09R, depending on if they had enabled METAR weather or were using the default wind from the west. (Or perhaps didn't care if they had headwind or tailwind?) I've nagged about this on IRC from time to time: IMO, using --enable-real-weather-fetch/METAR ought to be mandatory in combination with MP. Or in the least to use the one and same weather. (There is perhaps the possibility to consider that someone rigs up an MP server on an isolated LAN, without having access to an online metar service, or don't want that weather for some reason.) So how about a default logic of enabling real-weather-fetch automatically if --multiplay is used, unless an explicit --disable-real-weather-fetch is set? As soon as many people share the same environment the environment should be the same for everyone. IMHO the best solution would be that the MP server forces everything that is needed to make the environment identical for everyone (weather, time - but also the version of the scenery tiles). If someone wants a (little) different environment but also wants the other MP airplanes we could add an view only mode. I.E. this player sees everyone else, but his information isn't relayed to the other computers. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGYqbjoWM1JLkHou0RCLR1AJ0WvPOBm0BpOfIa87LHiHbepyJfQACeP9LK /LqTWfOuC1wmCQBR7QvpVdk= =Z6Pg -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Intellectual property rights, trademark rights vs. GPL ??
I doubt there's something like fair use - either it's allowed (by the trademark owner) or not. What might look like fair use most probably only shows that the trademark owner doesn't know it (how should he? we are not that big yet...) - or he doesn't care (I've heard that this might result in a possible loss of the trademark in some countries...) So this only leaves the possibility to ask kindly for permission (perhaps the PR department) - and sensible companies will allow this cheap marketing for them... But INAL, Christian Rob Oates wrote: I suppose since we are not using their logos for commercial gain it would fall under fair use? However, we could simply use fictional airline logo and markings to avoid any possible trademark issues, and then separate the airplanes with company logos into a different branch. Anyways it's just a thought. -Rob On 5/7/07, *Heiko Schulz* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Today I began to do the final texturing of the ec135 v.0.2, but soon I began to stick - I read about a copyright infringement about a pic of a large frankfurter. My problem: May we use logos of airlines, aircraft manufacturer etc.? Even the trademarks? (example: Bo 105 ist registrated trademark of Eurocopter) There are some aircrafts at our page flightgear.org http://flightgear.org which uses official logos like the 737, 777 Can somebody help me how to deal? Greetings HHS __ Yahoo! Clever: Stellen Sie Fragen und finden Sie Antworten. Teilen Sie Ihr Wissen. www.yahoo.de/clever http://www.yahoo.de/clever - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] The infamous invisible wall of weather
Hi, as my time constraints got worse over the years my last contributed code is quite old... It was the WeatherCM environmen - it should be in the CVS somewhere. This code has/had the ability to smoothly interpolate globally between different weather stations, which should prevent the described behaviour. As that code was developed at the same time the property system was developed it's using properties that aren't relevant any more... But it might be an good starting point to improve the current weather system. BTW: at that time there was no way the property system could be used to query the weather database about the current conditions at an given position (e.g. weather conditions at the tower, at an AI aircraft, etc. pp.). Perhaps that's solved now (with NASAL?) CU, Christian Joacim Persson schrieb: I have an idea of how to at least partially fix the problem with the wall of weather when flying with METAR updates, which when flying on autopilot in a light aircraft often, not to say usually, results in advanced airobatic manouvers, loss of control, altitude, and adjustment of the horizontal gyro. It has been suggested that we should triangulate the weather from several neighbouring metar data rather than one and that is by all means an excellent idea but it may not solve everything (there could still be transients due to varying/poor resolution of metar stations) and is perhaps trickier to implement than what I have in mind. I think the two methods should be combined for best result. The /environment/metar/ properties are set in FGClouds::update_metar_properties( const FGMetar *m ) [src/Environment/fgclouds.cxx: line 270] where m is the new metar data. The properties are set with calls to the fgSet...-functions from [src/Main/fg_props.hxx] What I would like to do, is replace these instant Set-ing of the properties to something similar to the interpolate-function in nasal, to smooth out the change of weather over a certain time; a few seconds up to perhaps a minute, whatever works best. At least I want to try it out. Any ideas on how to implement this? I'm considering doing calls to the nasal system for the interpolating. Any pitfalls with that? Better ways of doing it? Useful functions I may have missed? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Book
Hi Nick, Nick Warne schrieb: On Friday 26 January 2007 23:46, Christian Mayer wrote: The quality of the text looks quite bad to me, it's about amateur writing level, I guess. The layout was done with OpenOffice which also fits in this picture. What on earth do you mean that statement? I tried to express that the book looks to me like the work of an amateur who tries to make some fast money by writing about an subject he doesn't know much more than the audience he targets. By using OpenOffice as the typesetting system he shows that there isn't an institution (e.g. the publisher) behind him that takes care of the little things that are the difference between an amateur work and an professional work (e.g. an editor, professional layout, perfect typesetting...) CU, Christian PS: OpenOffice is an great office suite - but it isn't a good publishing tool. For writing letters it's perfect, but the requirements for writing a book are quite different though. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Book
I had a look at the sample chapter. The quality of the text looks quite bad to me, it's about amateur writing level, I guess. The layout was done with OpenOffice which also fits in this picture. Searching the net for the author, it looks like he has written lots of computer books on totally different topics with varying quality (see Amazon ratings) and is publishing a lot of them via book-on-demand services. This makes me a bit suspicious on the quality of the information as, AFAIK, no FGFS professional had helped. All of this is no problem (I know lots of poorly written books) - except that this book pretends to be official. This is at least misleading, if not even an clear fraud. IMHO we should offer an direct link to the book from our pages (it IS great that people start writing books about FGFS!) - but we also should insist that it's not called official. Official can only be books that are from the project itself (however that is achieved; probably by an authorship of a few developers together *with* *a* *review* *from* the other *developers*) As a result I guess that an English translation won't help you, tangyong, much. It would be better to increase our effort in the existing documentation to make it perfect - and perhaps try to publish it somehow (BOD? O'Reilly?). CU, Christian tangyong schrieb: Can anybody translate the book to English?I think there are more people can read English than German language. -- -- From:Curtis Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:2007-01-25 06:47:29 To:FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Cc:(无) Subject:Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Book On 1/24/07, *Melchior FRANZ* wrote: * Curtis Olson -- Wednesday 24 January 2007: http://www.bomots.de/flightgear/index.htm Bomots has just published a FlightGear book in the German language. The title is FlightGear kompakt, ISBN: 3-939316-12-1. Umm, but how is it the official FlightGear-user handbook. In which way is it official? Authorized in any way? Or is it just TFM (The FlightGear Manual) translated? Just marketing speak?! Yes probably ... I guess the first one to publish/print a book gets to call their's official? As long as no one else is publishing anything, who's to complain? :-) It is not a simple translation of the FlightGear manual we have online, it is an original work written from scratch (as best as I can tell.) Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Project http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.org http://www.flightgear.org/ Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d 独家！网易3G免费邮，还赠送280兆网盘 www.126.com http://www.126.com/ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPL Violation?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dene schrieb: Curtis Olson wrote: That's all well and good, except I think we want our screenshots to be redistributable and used and shared as much as possible. This is an open and free project. I really want to avoid going down the path of having to decide who can and can't use our screenshots and then trying to gin up appropriate justification for whatever arbitrary choice we make in any particular situation. This might be one of those cases where it's better to just allow something that we may not be 100% happy with in order to fully protect every one's freedom. Not that I would support or defend his actions, but perhaps I would allow it so that everyone else can have the same freedoms to hopefully do positive things. I totally agree with you - but currently we aren't allowing the sharing except to those who might ask. To allow everyone to reuse the screenshots we have to state it somewhere. I suggest to have a look at one of the licences around (like CC) and put it on the web page. I have used screenshots of Flightgear and even some pictures that people have put links to in posts, I have done this because I find them interesting and want to share them as much as possible, this applies to even things like the mouse pad pictures that I gather were used in a semi-commercial role. If I were made aware of concerns about doing this, I would immediately remove them from the web-site and apologise... Dene, unless you've asked and got permission you are not allowed to share the pictures. Published screenshots *might* be harmless in this case, but as soon as you are using private pictures it's getting critical. Using pictures of (semi-)commercial products might already be one step too far. Copyright law is something we have to be sensible about. It is the same law that protects music as well as FlightGear... We know the value of FlightGear - an we are concerned about our intellectual property. If we want to give away the screen shots (e.g. for marketing purposes) then we should clearly tell everyone and e.g. put the licence on the page that is right for us. I wouldn't want to relying on just a verbal permission... CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFFXy9TlhWtxOxWNFcRAuALAJ9fEI09XFLC5Ej9tpmpza+M/XJPOgCgjLR4 agMV//I5BnTdik0AEg9QntM= =Jl2N -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPL Violation?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Spott schrieb: Stefan Seifert wrote: Hell... I've even got a picture that Martin posted a while back of him and a plane, amongst alot of others... Martin seems to be the one to ask then. Oh man, you should expect that everything I bring myself and 'announce' on this list is considered to be free for reuse in any way that complies with the intentions of this OpenSource project (or related projects). This is exactly the problem: If I *consider* something to be free and redistribute it I might be totally wrong and get a lot of trouble. I can *only* rely on a written permission. So if you want your work to be free you have to state it. If you want it to be free in any way that complies with the intentions of this OpenSource project you have to include that limitation in your license... I know that everybody has the best intentions and all of us have a feeling about what's allowed and what not. But without an explicit statement someone is getting into trouble sooner or later. The solution is quite simple: just put an statement like the GNU Free Documentation License on every page that publishes pictures (screenshots and photos - on FGFS.org and on private pages). Redistributing those pictures is quite simple then. The few pictures left (like in mails) can be easily asked for. NOTE: This doesn't protect you from the in any way that complies with the intentions of this OpenSource project... But this is an very subjective statement where you can easily start to argue if the intentions are met or not. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFFX1CdlhWtxOxWNFcRApo9AJkBt6UYSGrBsrQFK0WNys6SgV6TQwCfdM5Q otpwdLAncWmfAU7FP/mWWDQ= =/4J4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPL Violation?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dene schrieb: Hi Curt, thanks for re-affirming that, I am still a little unsure on some things; As long as I'm using images in a positive manner then it's OK? who makes the judgement call on whether my use is positive or not? That's the problem I've just described in the other mail... Who do you ask to get permission for things like screenshots when several people can claim intellectual rights to various aspects of FG? Hell... I've even got a picture that Martin posted a while back of him and a plane, amongst alot of others... While I don't make any money out of having them there, there are other non-financial rewards.. In a project such as this, who do you ask? When in doubt I'd ask the leader who is representing the project - Curt. I have just gone ahead and done things on the basis that I got the resources for free to as long as I pass them on with no cost attached then I'm ok. It doesn't matter if you make any money out of it. Just have a look at those that do illegal file sharing. They are also not making any money but the record industry is still suing them. I do ask before including links to private sites out of courtesy, but really that's about the least controversial aspect because I'm damn sure google doesn't ask before it makes your url available Setting a link is not copying the content, so that's save. (Problematic are deep links and opening a foreign page in a frame) I suppose the uncertainty and lack of definition on this topic is shown by the size of the thread! Definitely. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFFX1I4lhWtxOxWNFcRAvtmAJ48Oz+ibGu7ZS90CYHAwr86cwPCcwCfZIfU SI9rmxldjlkpuCnF1iIwHTA= =ofqC -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPL Violation?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Spott schrieb: Does this actually mean that I have to hide every single picture, that I publish, behind a wrapper that forces the visitor to agree to the respective license ? In the past I've been simply uploading some picture or screenshot and posting a link to this image. In order to follow your proposal I'd have to create a wrapper around every single image if I desire to prevent uncertainty. Right ? If you want to put the pictures under a licence that allows copying you should put that somewhere (e.g. on a wrapper page). If you do nothing you are not automatically allowing the redistribution of the pictures. Just think a bit different about that topic: You've put a picture of your wedding on your homepage. When you put no extra redistribution information there noone is allowed to redistribute the image (as everyone of us is expecting). Just because it's a screenshot it doesn't make a difference. Norman wrote: So the question is 1: Are screenshots a result of running the program or 2: Are screenshots a work based on the program I would argue (1) Well it's both. Without (1) you can't make the screenshot. *BUT* a non trivial screenshot is also (2). It contains artistic work to arange everything so that the screenshot looks like what the artist has intended. Anyway: I still suggest that we put a license information on the page and we can stop that argument immediately... CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFFX52elhWtxOxWNFcRAuIoAJwNdgWuEjxzdq4OLxmoZ9NenMhQ9ACeJtQG RDtuq5bmwUtRIy9zXKOJ1yI= =M1tY -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPL Violation?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Curtis Olson schrieb: Someone just directed me to the following ebay vendor selling FlightGear. [...] Although it seams that we've found a reasonable way to deal with the problem, I think one point is still missing: This guy uses our screenshots without our permission. This is definitely an copyright violation! And to have a litte fun, has anyone already asked for his Software Distribution License? He writes: I am authorized reseller for this software. A copy of my Software Distribution License is available upon request. (This probably should be done by an Aussi...) CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFFXf9wlhWtxOxWNFcRAl5iAJ9zz1AJUlzmlIbYCPqT/r5rT3fPtgCdFnHr Kz9V26u7G90JQ4u1r2Ux71w= =9EC7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPL Violation?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andy Ross schrieb: * Except, arguably, for the screenshots. But even there, I think you could make a very valid fair use argument that as long as your distribution is licensed, making screenshots for the purpose of advertising is fine. He can't use screenshots that we took as it's definitely an violation of our copyright. (NB: probably we should put the web page under a creative commons license - as long as we don't state anything it's under the most restrictive licensing, nobody might use the content) If he is allowed to publish his own screenshots is an totally different problem. Although my private lawyer :) told me that this might be illegal I doubt anybody cares when the software is under the GPL. (see Andy's argument) CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFFXjy9lhWtxOxWNFcRAq0lAJ4iewP6orgBfr/V8FJPcVMO8yOmqQCeNl1u 8IhK57Sq9BVZLE/5KSPud3M= =XMLV -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear MP authentication
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 George Patterson schrieb: As an idea, could we add a section to say what ip addresses range to expect the packets to orginate from. This would help protect the key against being brute forced. This way we may not even need to do the public/private key thing but instead a hash (MD5 perhaps??) of containing the players name and a key phrase of the user's choice. The IP range will not work. There are too many cases where the IP can change to other networks. Think of home, work and public WLAN. Or when you switch your ISP. Just take a long enough token and everything is fine. The time to brute force it can be made as long as we want to. *AND* there's nothing gained by a stolen call sign. At least nothing that justifies the bandwidth for a brute force attac. I'd be more worried about an outdating mechanism that throws out all callsigns that weren't used for a long time. A simple front end would need to be created (Probably web based but cli might work also). I've done quite a lot of PHP and LDAP so I can tell you that it's easy to create web applications using it. But for administration I suggest that you stick with the normal LDAP administration programms. Softerra (comercial, Windos) was quite good. Under Linux I've used GQ (GPL, very unstable 2-3 years ago - but it seems that they've got a 1.0 version now). CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFExlDelhWtxOxWNFcRAtlfAJ4mD0yfnMEnWXUZMF35QIcjVAF1TgCggr0g MSJ8b8EhCczjjt383Tsh9cQ= =IGhT -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [RFC] HUD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Erik Hofman schrieb: Olaf Flebbe wrote: Hi, The comment for fast_log is IMHO incorrect. /** * This function is about 3 times faster than the system log() function * and has an error of about 0.01% */ The relative error can be larger than 7% it is almost nowhere about 0.01% when used in the range [ 0.5 - 1[. Try yourself: This was information that I picked up when searching for those functions. Even 7% can be satisfactory in some circumstances, but one needs to know the error. I'm getting more and more convinced to just remove these functions and use the standard C ones instead. These functions can be great - when you know in advance (1) the number range, (2) the required error range and that you are (3) in a very tight loop that is (4) performance critical. So I'd leave them in. But, as premature optimization is the root of all evil, the source code should be freed of any use of those functions where the comments don't indicate that the 4 points above are met. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEmSeClhWtxOxWNFcRAmw4AJ9trwQ/OZNN9xkmoSGQRtRrz+/4WgCfWg6H fZ8xGQQdRtgyDvGMRNLsFII= =kFwa -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on Softpedia
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Erik Hofman schrieb: Martin Spott wrote: Unfortunately they took the screenshots from the FlightGear gallery and put their watermark on it, The watermark is a pity but it might be good for FlightGear to put the screenshots that end up in the gallery in the public domain. Perhaps - but then only with our own watermark, so that everybody who finds them knows where they are from. I suggest that the watermark contains the logo, the used version and the URL. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEiUAXlhWtxOxWNFcRAkG0AJ9K6GDs6IUpQRFTxR8112ezcDHRtQCfabif yqZGhx63gNjKFCkeM8x61qE= =J+au -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on Softpedia
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Spott schrieb: Christian Mayer wrote: Perhaps - but then only with our own watermark, so that everybody who finds them knows where they are from. Hehe, good idea ! Do you know a method how to place such a watermark without requiring Curt to open every single screenshot in Gimp (did I hear Photoshop ;-) and merging the watermark manually ? I know, you can easily batch-modify images with ImageMagick/convert, but that doesn't allow you to adjust the placement of the watermark for every single image. I'd try to add a semi transparent watermark in some corner (bottom left?). This can be done automatically w/o any interaction and it should work for most screenshots. A manual screening can show problematic pictures that might be redone manually for a better placement. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEiUlBlhWtxOxWNFcRAnaaAJ9YEoQOA3pY+8+KdJeWZn5dkgjvHQCgk9jx qHeugeM1FkgXNMf+PWQHguI= =7xLz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Impact of texturing objects on performance?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arnt Karlsen schrieb: On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:03:58 +0200, Frederic wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Using Shared models helps saving memory. That way, only one model is loaded, and it is displayed multiple times. With static objects, every instance is loaded in memory, with duplicates on geometry and textures. Changing OBJECT_STATIC to OBJECT_SHARED helped having a decent fps over Paris, as well as reducing texture size to avoid GPU memory saturation. ..an idea: Can an hangar model be used to make the EAA Museum at KOSH http://sleepyhollowfarm.com/OshkoshAerialLarge.jpg by using the hangar model several times and overlapping at corners to produce the EAA Museum model? Is this a bad idea? If all models have the same elevation you might get problems due to z-buffer fighting (it'll flicker). You also need to draw more triangles (= slower) but you'll send less data through the bus to the card (= faster). So, IMHO, just try it and have a look at the result (especially with a 16bit colour setting as it might produce increased z-buffer fighting) CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEialGlhWtxOxWNFcRAvDrAJ4v/K1Dhpk1DNhiSe0LIVQ2iDSF6QCgiWMd FIgyD4VybWeB/md/68q96Mo= =aQu/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPL licensing question.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Curtis L. Olson schrieb: Here's a question for all you amateur lawyers and GPL experts out there. INAL but your case looks to me like that that person wants to use FGFS just as an (complex) viewer/interpreter program for his proprietary content(*). This happens all the time with Notepad, Word, Perl, Python, ... and nobody complains - because they can't IMHO. CU, Christian (*) I'm assuming that the proprietary aircraft doesn't derive of any preexisting material (like textures) in FGFS. This might become complex with the cofiguration XML files as they must be written from scratch IMHO. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEhb/mlhWtxOxWNFcRAnrzAKCAWdawZ2712mrlLH31MLWTC36xKwCeNZyZ 8ku0uOQ9z0/cmYdpGHontNo= =2ukc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPL licensing question.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oliver schrieb: Am Dienstag, den 06.06.2006, 19:48 +0200 schrieb Christian Mayer: (*) I'm assuming that the proprietary aircraft doesn't derive of any preexisting material (like textures) in FGFS. This might become complex with the cofiguration XML files as they must be written from scratch IMHO. But what about nasal script code in a xml file that is written from scratch but makes use of flightgear's nasal implementation? That's IMHO no problem - it doesn't matter if I've got a Perl/Python/... script or a Nasal script. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEhc63lhWtxOxWNFcRAv+FAJ46UBmkO7HBY/aO/gTnkv5q56qpngCfQVSF sdM3jkxMnw+MJPnia8NVAFs= =lmjT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Light reflection on rivers and see, any perspective on developing such eye candies?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roberto Inzerillo schrieb: While looking at redBaron screenshots I was impressed by the light effect on the rivers (see the sun light reflecting on the river in http://www.redbarent.com/assets/images/taranaki.jpg) Is anybody working on such a light reflection effect on water surfaces? That should be easy with OpenGL, am I right? This kind of reflection is trivial with OpenGL. You only need to set the specular properties and have a detailed mesh for the river. Looking at the materials.xml we already have specular set for the water materials... So this should alredy work :) CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEcvvvlhWtxOxWNFcRAvE2AKCLKo35haWoFTldQnKUbxv5ANiVDQCghRex LBNOMDJs0a9etuNGtttGkMA= =WsPn -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robicd schrieb: There are mirrors inside, for the pilots (look at http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-detail-cp-canopy-01l.jpg); I wonder if there's a way with FGFS to create those mirrors, some kind of picture-in-picture technique :-) The usual way (the only one?) to create mirrors is to render the scenery (at least) twice. Rendering once with a wide angle to a texture can probably be enough to fake the pictures on the 3 concave mirrors. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEU1QvlhWtxOxWNFcRAg3MAJ4qqedL8wKssn7vR2gX/XGxq5a1rACfcu27 jz/2VvzNVZImB6oCyD7M4R4= =4ttK -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robicd schrieb: The usual way (the only one?) to create mirrors is to render the scenery (at least) twice. I wonder if it's easy to implement, I don't know how SimGear/Plib handle that (if it's even possible). That should not be a real drop down in performance since the mirror has a very small area to render. The handling of PLIB/SSG should be very easy. Just cull and draw the scenegraph from the virtual eyepoint first and then do the normal cull and draw that we are doing now. The bigger problem is the render to texture part - but IIRC that's already solved. Rendering once with a wide angle to a texture can probably be enough to fake the pictures on the 3 concave mirrors. Are those mirrors concave at all? AFAIK yes. This gives the pilot a much greater area he can look at. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEU10alhWtxOxWNFcRAgKrAJ0fsSaKq67ys/yb5veVOlh+96AeAQCfd+AX y+GbNm2hFIaNy1oEzxNUsCU= =059d -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 flying.toaster schrieb: Just one question before I get started ... What is the reasonnable polygon count (in triangles or quads) that can be accepted by most platforms without turning into a slideshow ? For strike fighters this is somewhere in the 10,000 range (with a damage model). I have come to realise that an iBook with a power PC G4 at 1GHz (the thing I am using to write this mail) is rather slower (understatement) than my other box (Linux box Radeon 9600Pro and 2 GHz Athlon). I can make something quite pretty with 7000 to 8000 polygons (given that the tomcat has quite complex shapes) With 15,000 polygons it can be really great... I can't give you numbers, but the fewer the better. Especially with a fighter plane that you might see during a dog fight it's crucial that the frame rate stays up. So I sugesst that you use LOD heavily. Having a high poly model for looking at it on the runway is great. But a low poly model that you'll see from a short distance (i.e. the dog fight) is also important. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEU3kclhWtxOxWNFcRAmLIAKCrdHJk2GWS5YEIf40sZhDCzpOECgCePigd gzESlzH0ZrYS4Ak/RwloKmE= =PLXf -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGLive 0.1 bravo ready for testing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pigeon schrieb: http://pigeond.net/flightgear/fglive-0.1bravo.torrent 532mb, md5sum b0a267cc0d789314d0347129abb50724 README: http://pigeond.net/flightgear/README.fglive.html OK, this looks much better on my laptop. Selecting only the defaults (+ the German version in GRUB) resulted in a frame rate of 4 fps (i.e. with the ati/radeon GPL driver). Stopping X and selecting the newest closed source driver I get about 40 fps (i.e. roughly the same that I get under Windows XP). The keyboard layout also worked as expected. This time I also had sound working Problems were: - - eth1 didn't get a IP addresse via DHCP (eth0 doesn't exist...), an ifup eth1 fixed that - - my USB joystick (pluged in after boot) showed up on the console, but not in FGFS. It even worked under js_demo... - - I couldn't get a multiplayer connection. No errors were reported though. - - minor problem: the time/clock was two hours off. (I suspect that the kernel thinks my CMOS clock runs GMT, but that assumption is wrong for Windows) Something to consider: The current windowsmanager is totally unintuitive for windows users. As they are perhaps the biggest user group that'll use FGLive, it might be worthwhile to take special care. The two biggest problems for Windows users might be: - - focus should change on mouse click, not on where the mouse points at - - the menu should be available from a button on the bottom left corner. No windows user will think of pressing the right mouse button to run a program... So far the Live CD is already very impressive! CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEUou1lhWtxOxWNFcRAiQ0AKC17/Ay8ouQ5J9l54nSsQ7soqOo0wCfaBGW Axia9tzbb5u+m//OyA3nTos= =ph3i -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Landcover-DB Mapserver update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Spott schrieb: Please enjoy the latest update to the Landcover Mapserver and the underlying database. Visit: http://mapserver.flightgear.org/ I just had a quick look at Munich (EDDM). Activating all layers it looks like that the most important stuff is included. (My hometown Holzkirchen is missing, but I could clearly identify where it should be located as the railway interscetions are there...) What I've seen is that there are only two road types. I think this could be limiting in the future. (As line data can dramatically increase the triangle count it might be necessary to switch off the smallest visible roads.) So, what about having those TerraGear-Layer types: roads_freeway (a big, multilane highway, like a German Autobahn) roads_class1road (a state road, like a German Bundesstrasse) roads_class2road (a provincial road, like a German Landstrasse) roads_class3road (a local road or a simple street in a town) roads_track(not used for regular traffic, mostly access roads for farming) roads_walkingtrack (ok, that's getting excessive...) If we are increasing the type count, perhaps one step further might make sense: roads_freeway4lane roads_freeway6lane roads_freeway8lane (for Germany that should be engouh...) This allows a more detailed vectorisation of the data. A current benefit could be, that the different road types generate different line widths. And even if the texures are the same in the beginning, it allows a selection of the relevant types for scenery generation (e.g. if we'd have roads_track data it still might be too much for current CPU/GPUs). CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFES1IalhWtxOxWNFcRAg8cAJ49EXsjVNNGwzl9dXI6ygSd1zmAeACfYdQr +sFpad0ZEZPjt0Edpp7AQYM= =w3BV -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Automated source code analysis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, probably you've heared already of Coverity. They have a method to automatically scan source code for possible bugs. They are also working together with a few OSS projects (like GCC, FireFox, KDE or Wine) where they continously scan the code base: http://scan.coverity.com/ Could this also be a service that we can profit from? CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEQhk0lhWtxOxWNFcRAoDDAKCfEjcmATxbPINP3korYiieQX8dXACgvIot GNPRZnxA/M1C3qZXDxe33y8= =BKFO -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG ftp for scenery problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arnt Karlsen schrieb: ..and rightfully so, amule has a search function and the first 2 boxes I looked at, had ahem copyrighted music etc in when I fetched K5dvd, the second time I looked, everybody behaved like I was RIAA or BSA or FBI or something. A knife can be used to create some very fine food or to murder someone - so is a knife a bad tool? You should not mix the tool with the actions it's used for. P2P technology is perfectly legal (TCP/IP itself is a P2P technology). The problem arises when people distribute conent where they don't have the licences to distribute (like most MP3s or movies). When you distribute GPLed content or you own content (where you issue any distribution licence to yourself) your action is perfectly legal and no RIAA, BSA or FBI can do you any harm. Please note: with P2P you are still only offering files that *you* have decided to offer. Noone from the outside can make you offer illegal files. (But you usually offer files that you are downloading or have been downloading - so you should never download an illegal file) ..bottom line is FG _is_ a MSFS competitor, and distributing anything FG on P2P where it is possible to find any law shark fodder, allows Microsoft bleeding us dry making us pay a lawyer to tell the judge to toss out the case everydamned time they find (or lure in) some dork with stolen binaries, music etc. Assuming he does every time, that still bleeds us dry paying our lawyer, to have the judge make Microsoft pay us costs and damages, he will wanna hear the case, and we can only pray for Groklaw coverage. Average price for this kinda litigation is US$ 3mill. It does not matter how (HTTP, FTP, P2P) we distribute FlightGear - as long as the whole content is legaly licenced under the GPL. That we are an competitor to MSFS, X-Plane or even Falcon 4.0 is totaly irrelevant in this case. ..I just learned bittorrent is a bit different to a|e|xmule p2p, I used amule to fetch Knoppix, and the wise approach is do it on a _dedicated_ machine in a DMZ. Anyone here with experience on _both_ bittorrent and *mule? You should always run any processes that allow incoming traffic in a DMZ. Curt could ask his network administrator for permission to run the BitTorrent client on the same machine that runs the Web-Server. Then both can offer the same files without storage overhead. And any reasonable network admin should be happy about that, as it can promise to cut down the download traffic a lot! CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEMZ2flhWtxOxWNFcRAmFVAJ41dUT5Cl69armBMMuMid6Sl2dHVwCeN6Bw Lk42pmL6WaRdgrDvwFQ0gCs= =LuVm -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloadpage
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I was again wondering why most planes on the downloadpage have the same version. Looking at the sourcecode of make-aircraft-html.pl it looks like the version number is that date the make-aircraft-html.pl is run (when no version is set in the aircraft config itself). This seems wrong to me. The version/date should be the last time any aircraft file was modified (if no explicit version is set) and not when the webpage generation has happened. The current apporach changes aircraft versions even when nothing has changed... CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEJn/olhWtxOxWNFcRAol9AKCRiMYWef5tFLfnhw83NAI5M2d1fwCdGgXb Kd41uamOsyvrUasOyU1K0nw= =2O7X -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloadpage
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Curtis L. Olson schrieb: Christian Mayer wrote: I was again wondering why most planes on the downloadpage have the same version. Looking at the sourcecode of make-aircraft-html.pl it looks like the version number is that date the make-aircraft-html.pl is run (when no version is set in the aircraft config itself). This seems wrong to me. [...] So instead, the script just tags the aircraft with the current date as the version, so at least you know when the archive was created. But that gives no information to the user. Actually it gives wrong information as it makes anyone think that a new plane version is available. If there's no version information available the aircraft page also shouldn't display any (bogus) information. The information when the whole archive was created/updated is valueable - - but it should tell the user that that's the version of the page and not that of the plane (e.g. add a Created on 01/02/2003 or so at a prominent spot at the top of the page) CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEJqGwlhWtxOxWNFcRAk9wAKCa3ay6SWgPFYRkesKA8GgEWeklmwCeMJ3Q WzS6C9FZJ9gXFkRMAm99d6U= =PlYQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::string'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mathias Fröhlich schrieb: On Wednesday 01 March 2006 13:41, Chris Metzler wrote: Yes, this is definitely the way to solve this problem. After all, nobody gets truly worked up about dumbass things like vim vs. emacs or anything like that! Two ways from my point of view: Since I do not believe that this is a realistic approach in any sense, I will use the editor of my choice which I can use for all those projects I work on. And as long as that is the case, I think not using tabs is the way you can solve this issues in the real world. Due to our big code base and this repeating discussion we probably should define this minimum of coding standard: - - do not use tabs, use only spaces (this guarantees that the code looks the same everywhere and any formating won't break) - - a tab must have a size of 8. (This shouldn't matter when everyone sticks to the point above. But sometimes things go wrong. And 8 Spaces/Tab is the standard/default that every editor can handle - even every email program) Not in a minimal coding standard should be: - - use only 2 spaces per indent (that's what I prefer - but other choices are also valid and coding is much more fun than arguing) I'd be happy if we can accept that and make it official - then we've got one topic less that can keep us from coding :) Oh, the choice of the editor also doesn't matter anymore then. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFECA43lhWtxOxWNFcRAqqeAJ9fkk7uCJ4/9w6ut5BxOPc61JXzLQCfRBNR LGWL6iD1H4gRdLqtBEcLqY8= =K8tH -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0944bid$1720dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] For the Europeans: public geodata
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, there's a page - http://publicgeodata.org/Home - that tries to lobby the European parliament not to pass a bill that allows the national mapping agencies to own the data that the tax payer has already paid for. So if you live in Europe you might consider to sign the petition. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFECDt3lhWtxOxWNFcRAtByAJ0eMCRurcvnfhq850Sh0kBODRQPaACePkzg 4mjPcTIEefcOZ+iDeBia1jE= =qsTz -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Tutorial System patch (version 5)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Buchanan, Stuart schrieb: Hi All, Another post from me - must mean another iteration of the tutorial patch I've just tried the current version in CVS -- it's great! But one problem is that I don't have Festival - and thus have to read all messages... Reading and looking at the instruments as well as out of the cockpit and on the keyboard to hit the right keys is quite challenging... :) CU, Christian BTW and different topic: starting from Friedrichshaven with the www.custom-scenery.org scenery FGFS has on Windows a memory consumption of far more than 700 MB. Is that the same for Linux? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEAdeZlhWtxOxWNFcRAoA7AKCYo4Av3fooVYTY7x1ztKd69RV0DQCfQScG h3L3DoSC07CZy9emh8bqEdI= =xbO2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Tutorial System patch (version 5)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Buchanan, Stuart schrieb: Yes, having festival really makes a difference. I compiled it successfully on Cygwin, but I don't know if it is possible to compile for straight windows. Perhaps some kind person will be able to compile a MS binary and make it available... AFAIK are at least some Windows versions comming with a native text to speech engine. But I don't know how to access its API. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEAd8hlhWtxOxWNFcRApldAJsGZGw57gnYhWCa+0UqyrKiVoLwyQCfS/YQ F+1MigAeUadGA4nznxtlc3s= =kj+6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Global data positional lookup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Norman Vine schrieb: IIRC I have been mentioning http://www.sdss.jhu.edu/htm/index.html every time these kind of questions arise for years now :-) :) I know. Perhaps it's time that we implement it this time :) CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFD+bGllhWtxOxWNFcRAsmOAJwN7588r8urrhI45GQiMF2NHfdnZQCfWkVS k4HTSioG7ihmqZ0sTgQSTiM= =S7Eb -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Global data positional lookup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As my last post to this topic was probably a bit cryptic for some I've looked in the net a bit and have found: http://taltos.pha.jhu.edu/htm/ Probably we can use their software directly - or use their algorithm to partition the earth in such a way that we can cheaply query points (like navaids, METAR stations, ...) on the earth. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFD+LyClhWtxOxWNFcRAh8OAJ9LQpj1DTEveyWQFcL979s+CpREgwCgg3ag fMgUFkC2FAjicnPkbVZ+tT0= =vxNS -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: CVS: FlightGear/src/Sound voice.cxx,1.3,1.4
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Melchior FRANZ schrieb: * Frederic Bouvier -- Saturday 18 February 2006 17:05: fgrun and fgadmin haven't any config.h under MSVC. And I don't know about Mac or another potential, non unix, system. OK. But most likely because the build system doesn't generate them. FlightGear's and SimGear's build system *does* generate them, so why ask if it's there? What build system? Only the autotools do. The autotools are just a handy tool for the UNIX crowd. This isn't multiplatform (what FGFS tries to achieve). So to stay portable it's a must - you are including a file that does not exist otherwise. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFD90rhlhWtxOxWNFcRAgQJAKC9az0nHiXqWcWK1znAteUPmy/90QCfS400 akqhmOXhrth9htcPayF7jyk= =8TJO -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Global data positional lookup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Luff schrieb: I'm considering the problem of looking up global data at the moment (eg. how many navaids are within x miles of point p). So far I've only implemented this in a very crude manner, by indexing a map of navaid pointers using FG bucket number, and then traversing all the navaids in the user's bucket and concentric rings of buckets out from the user to the required distance. This works, but is somewhat ugly, and requires more navaids / buckets to be checked than may be necessary due to the non-square bucket size and potential for non-centered position of the user within a bucket. I'm sure there must be a better way, and I'm sure Norman has posted links on this subject to the list before, but I can't find them, and can't seem to find a good method. Anyone got any ideas? OK, this comes up once in a while (writing the WeatherCM code ages ago I also had that problem). Perhaps it's time to solve generally. The basic and ugly algorithm is to iterate through all points. This takes at least O(n) and can be as bad as O(n^2) when I need e.g. the distances between all points. 1) The usual solution is to create the delauney triangulation. It will take O(n log n) to generate it and look ups can be quite fast as we know the topology of the points. This was my approach with the WeatherCM code. The used library should still be somewhere in the FGFS codebase. (It's an extended version of the triangulator to work on a sphere) 2) The sugested Quad-Tree (or Octtree) approach also might work with the algorithm you've described (actually the buckets are a sort of quad tree with only one level) 3) Interesting would be the use of a space filling curve ;) There you can easily compute (O(log p) which we can assume to be O(1) in our case) a index number out of the coordinates and then store all points in the order of the index number. When you are now searching for points that are close to a given one you just have to look upwards and downwards from the index of the point you are interested in (this point can be anywhere). As the usual space filling curves are Hölder Continuous(*) this works quite good. The most simplistic way to solve the problem is IMHO the use of a space filling curve together with an STL map. This will result in only very few lines of code and give us an quite fast and universal lookup scheme. CU, Christian (*) Hölder Continuous to the exponent r basicly says that there's a C0 that fullfills: ||f(x) - f(y)|| = C * |x - y|^r In the case of the n-D Hilbert curve (a very simple space filling curve) r = 1/n, so in the 2D case: ||f(x) - f(y)|| = C * sqrt( |x - y| ) Or more graphic: the distance between two indices limits the distance that the two points in space can have. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFD9d7flhWtxOxWNFcRAj3jAJ4l0lLJqnwKY/bTnFd8cwK/kwIA1gCfSt/n vo9XIlH/9KfOvLhyBfQHXJY= =6x/z -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [PATCH][RFC] speech synthesis with festival
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Wojnaroski schrieb: If someone wants to provide me with a script or list of phrases to record I know I can find a professionally trained voice to create the audio files. As for a Texan accent, I think we can work that as well and probably a few others as well. Do we want it a 8hz or 16hz? pickyNeither 8 Hz nor 16 Hz/picky You usually should get the source data in the best quality available (= 44 kHz or 48 kHz should be enough for a mono sound). Harddisk space is cheap and transferring the files over a flat rate is also harmless. This allows an optimal conversion later (and once the requirements get bigger, eg. when all planes will use digital radios or so, we can easily recalculate the new data) Far more interesting is the best shape/size when the audio ends up in the base package. There it should sound right and the size should be small. For audio that gets transmitted over an noisy AM link 8 kHz might easily be enough, especially when statics are added. The audio that comes from the plane itself (IIRC that's the one we are currently talking about) the quality is much better AFAIK. So 16 kHz might required, if not even better. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFD6c2DlhWtxOxWNFcRAqeiAJ4lozRwWSuYDstmxnx/ir7pBYmb3ACguqmG wedayEDcmlxm93c88TKZqWc= =k5Qq -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Airway routing heads up
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Durk Talsma schrieb: Notice that the routing algorithm is still far from perfect, but I thought it would be fun to share some of the initial experiments with you guys... What algorthim are you using? CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFD6SBHlhWtxOxWNFcRAnJMAJ91M2fUywnbzdMVnGxEq3E+YZMiMQCgkFXB 2TV21a7ZTxm5ArCY7BC0s2o= =6X64 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] two scenery ideas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Curtis L. Olson schrieb: X-Plane uses some shader language dithering approach which I don't understand enough to comment on. This sounds like a good solution This isn't easy, especially not within the context of plib which really doesn't like shaders and doesn't even do multitexturing. Hm, I thought PLIB (i.e. Steve) did like shaders and was just waiting for OpenGL 2.0. He wanted to do the right solution once it was available (with shaders and thus multitexturing)... CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFD1sEvlhWtxOxWNFcRAgwoAKC41KAKq/TVatnUqSk3nvHaKzTIvACeOv1h gLd6igkYPHuSuJWHtDffFPU= =+1a0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Visual Studio 2005
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andy Ross schrieb: Frederic Bouvier wrote: It says that strcpy ( for instance ) is not secure and one should use strcpy_s that is the secured version. Maybe I missed something, but I don't thing strcpy_s is available outside the MS world. They couldn't just implement strncpy ... ? Still, that's a good example of a function that we should be migrating away from in favor of the more robust version. IIRC MS has a strncpy - but they are calling it strncpy_ A simple #define can fix that... I've got the MSVC 2005 laying on a disk somewhere but not installed it yet. Once I've done that I can also try to figure out some of the problems. My experience with MSVC 6.0 was that the numbers of errors might be huge - but they are all of the same kind and easy to fix. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFD1UTFlhWtxOxWNFcRAuQRAKCSDJc2P8sbMtajXVjuwE0HhLPq2wCdHN10 Au0Y5qh+kh7d531Le52FrnI= =KahG -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Battery Realism (Nasal Electrical System)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lee Elliott schrieb: Hmm... this made me think about how some aspects of realism and accuracy may not always be a good idea. For example, if the temperature is so low that CCA is inadequate to start the engine what is the solution? In real life I guess you wouldn't be able to fly but a flight simulator that refused to let you get in to the air wouldn't be very useful. That's not to say that an accurate/realistic battery model isn't a good idea but you might have to assume that all aircraft have been stored in a heated hanger before they're pulled out for a flight. Once MechanicsGear has been started and integrated in FGFS it's no problem - you can change the battery yourself... Till then you just have to switch planes (or restart it, or whatever). So I don't see a problem there. I see a bigger problem that this code will be used very seldom but complicate the codebase allways. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFD0nXRlhWtxOxWNFcRAn8NAJ0f0vNcQLUdWoH8gIjfy/OaPh+WlQCdH+pi bciIkrKY+y3zl/UPjRAAmW4= =SBvl -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Will my updates be used/useful?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Paul Surgeon schrieb: On Sunday 15 January 2006 12:08, Christian Mayer wrote: (*) unless you want to get fancy with blending the textures, etc. pp. But this will create an big overhead. Well yes but a half decent scenery engine using texture blending like the one in X-Plane and MSFS would do just fine and they actually run faster than FG when I increase the visibility to about 50km or greater. We must be doing something wrong to get the worst of both worlds. Have you compared the frame rates when everything apart from the ground is disabled (no other planes and no objects on the ground)? Is the resolution the same (IIRC FGFS has a resolution of 30 or 40 meters)? Does X-Plane or MSFS use a CLOD algorithm or are they tile based (do those tiles have LOD or not)? If we know the answers to those questions are the same for FGFS and the other simes we can try to compare texture blending vs. not texture blending. CU, Christian --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Will my updates be used/useful?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 dene maxwell schrieb: Hi all, my reading of the situation; a) No adjustment of the textures takes place at the moment for sloping terrain...hence the stretch problem. b) a cylindrical solution has been proposed(that I don't understand the maths of) that may/will have an unacceptable performance hit. c) x-plane and MSFS have solutions to this problem that look great and don't have a performance hit at 50km distance (assumption; at 50km they do have a performance hit) d) we put up with seams with very little performance hit has anyone actually tested the various options to quantify the performance hits and/or the visual effects involved in the various solutions. Objective data would certainly be helpful? a), b) and d) would have *no* runtime performance hit. b) has a scenery generation performance hit (that depends on the number of vertices that belong to one terrain type) d) has a little, neglectable scenery generation performance hit - but the visual results would be really ugly c) would have a runtime performance hit (i.e. the frame rate drops) I don't know the quantities of the hits though. But I'd try b) first as it's compatible to the current approach and doesn't create any runtime overhead. CU, Christian --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: OSG? was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Graphics Engine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Mathias Fröhlich schrieb: The sg* vectors and matrices are created in such a way that they'll offer the higest possible performance and compatability for using OpenGL. column major like fortran :) Well, I worked, together with some collegues, on getting a linux cluster into the top500 some time ago :) Good to hear. (BTW: my diploma thesis [= roughly a masters thesis] was the creation of cache oblivious matrix operations in C++ using the space filling Peano curve; I could beat the Intel Math Kernel Library in optimal cache use - und even performance wise when I used only x87 instructions :) I put the code and the thesis at http://tifammy.sf.net/ Space filling curves have very interesting properties for high performance computing - not only for cache efficiency but also for partitioning of problems for parallel computers / clusters) Yep, I believe that this small vector set will even provide more performance since it will just work with all ss?g* functions natively. Instead of that horrible mix of sg* and simgear point3d datatypes we have at the moment, which do not interface well and thus needs masses of hand coded copies from one datatype to the other. You can just use such a thing as a drop in replacement for any sg type. At the times I did active FGFS development I also didn't like the many different vector classes. It takes me regularily needless time to clearify what I have in my hands if I get a Point3D datatype. Different classes (or just class names) sound like an good idea. It might be interesting to offer the use of SSE values internally. This could give a little performance boost for modern IA-32 processors. CU, Christian --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: OSG? was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Graphics Engine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mathias Fröhlich schrieb: Hi, On Sunday 15 January 2006 12:54, Christian Mayer wrote: (BTW: my diploma thesis [= roughly a masters thesis] was the creation of cache oblivious matrix operations in C++ using the space filling Peano curve; I could beat the Intel Math Kernel Library in optimal cache use - und even performance wise when I used only x87 instructions :) I put the code and the thesis at http://tifammy.sf.net/ Space filling curves have very interesting properties for high performance computing - not only for cache efficiency but also for partitioning of problems for parallel computers / clusters) Sounds interresting. Downloaded that matrix kernels. ... let's see what I can make use of :) What did you study? Technomathematik (= applied mathematics) Oh, I've just seen that I didn't link the thesis yet. Should be there under documentation in a few minutes It might be interesting to offer the use of SSE values internally. This could give a little performance boost for modern IA-32 processors. Well, wait for gcc 4.2. gcc isn't the only compiler though. For the IA-32 are at least the MSVC++ and the Intel ICC important, too. And my expericence (with ICC) are, that the vectorisation does only work for loops. The code of my thesis uses recursions and explicitly coded operations. The ICC wansn't able to auto vectorise any of those. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDyj2LlhWtxOxWNFcRAtuRAJ9UXqusko5friqZfIWRXwcYElst7gCgpEyK xsMhESvH1STx6Y7K+9oF5fc= =V/7g -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: OSG? was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Graphics Engine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mathias Fröhlich schrieb: Hi, On Sunday 15 January 2006 13:18, Christian Mayer wrote: Technomathematik (= applied mathematics) Karlsruhe? Nope, TU München Mathematician from Tübingen, did numerical analysis, mostly timestepping. Numerics is also the stuff that I do most (as well as lots of fluid dynamics). And my expericence (with ICC) are, that the vectorisation does only work for loops. The code of my thesis uses recursions and explicitly coded operations. The ICC wansn't able to auto vectorise any of those. Ok, interresting. I heared that MSVC does vectorization for some time. I've only used the .NET 2003 version (i.e. 7.1 IIRC). And that couldn't do any vectorisation. It could use the scalar SSE instructions instead of the x87 though (they are faster for the Pentium 4; my Pentium M was a bit slower) Also the gcc development is much more interresting since you can watch that development including the internal comments. With closed compilers you can see marketing headlines which mostly do not have any technical relevance ... Yes, but at least a shot time ago the IIC was supposed to do better optimisations (I *think* that's still true - but have no measurements) CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDykD8lhWtxOxWNFcRAg0vAJ4oGTbTR87EUl5kHAM0zSjOkeO6fQCgjVVZ URw5Mepsztd5voZAZAbzVTg= =RXXx -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: OSG? was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Graphics Engine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mathias Fröhlich schrieb: Hi, On Sunday 15 January 2006 13:33, Christian Mayer wrote: Numerics is also the stuff that I do most (as well as lots of fluid dynamics). Ok, so you are actually writing on your PHD? Nein. Ich muß erst noch die Hauptdiplomprüfungen im Februar/März überstehen. Dann mach evtl. bei BMW einen Dr. (falls die endlich mit der Stelle in die Gänge kommen...) oder suche mir eine normale Anstellung. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDykvJlhWtxOxWNFcRAiHcAKCgul5yHNBTNnG+4DXW7LHrQAO4XACfZ2/a lYC6WXncQr718+wvIWCN4dA= =7FF2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] File name problem in CVS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, there's a problem in the base package CVS tree. In the directory data/Aircraft/Citation-Bravo/Models is a Bravo.ac and a bravo.ac, i.e. two files that differ only in the case of the first letter. (well, that's what TortoiseCVS tells me) At least Windows doesn't like it on a FAT filesystem. CU, Christian --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Texture compression experiments in plib
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tiago Gusmão schrieb: The other problem is that this is plib, i'm not sure this is simply going to be accepted into the tree after being coded properly. And to make it an option, i think we also need to modify it to get the option passed to plib. IIRC Steve Baker is carefull about patches that change the (default) behavior. Patches that offer additional features that don't affect anyone by default are relatively easy to get in. Apart from that: has already someone asked Steve? Otherwise this discussion will lead nowhere. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDw3T/lhWtxOxWNFcRAtFTAJ9FMIjFUncB/Kcj5tgZrADNMwWp+QCgvQyG 06kdjsS4gl421yFDIk1t9no= =q9VN -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] New aircraft - have fun!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Torsten Dreyer schrieb: I tried the same approach as everyone else: get as close to the original as possible. What makes a model of a kids toy different from a model of a A380, a Cub, a 747 or a PA28? But to keep it safe, I will send a description and a link to my model and to flightgear to Lego and ask for permission to use it. I don't think this should be an issue, since this is noncommercial and nonprofit. I will post my request and the answer (if I get one) here. If we have the official permission everything is ok. (And if Lego has some brains they will give you the permission) The difference to real planes might be how they are protected by trade mark law (? - Markenrecht in Germany). There are different categories - and the shape of the original plane will be definitely protected in the Toy area. And when we use it, some lawyers might argue that we are also in the toy area (or even worse, Lego offers some cimputer programs / games, so they might even have a trade mark in that area as well). But - I'm not a lawyer. The real answer can only give you a lawyer. Just asked my girlfriend as she's studying law: she sees this case problematic as well. BTW: at least in Germany it makes a difference if it used geschäftsmäßig or not. As someone might ask money for distributing it (at least the big distributions are!), it falls under the geschäftsmäßig category - and Markenrecht applies. The studs are probably just different enough to avoid that issue. The real ogeL blocks are solid rather than cylindrical and uses less polys. But Duplo (the little child brand from the Lego company) has these type of studs, IIRC. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDwiSJlhWtxOxWNFcRAv/VAKCHQ3k+NuL20Ssd7fzjYTwsqtIMegCgk/h2 NLz/vCKPA4fl9A27B1eXBfY= =BI6H -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] New aircraft - have fun!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ralf Gerlich schrieb: Hi, Christian Mayer schrieb: BTW: at least in Germany it makes a difference if it used geschäftsmäßig or not. As someone might ask money for distributing it (at least the big distributions are!), it falls under the geschäftsmäßig category - and Markenrecht applies. IANAL, as well, but I think geschäftsmäßig does not necessarily have to do with charging money for something. AFAIK it's about whether you do something regularly. So even distributing it on a private webpage might be considered geschäftsmäßig. However, I'm not sure on that part. Might be - then it would apply even more (although the word apply probably doesn't have an comparative degree). CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDwjIJlhWtxOxWNFcRAsq4AKCIF6ngbWRAdBE+8IPqN5XViRRpZwCdFOxE ytxDER7NXkdo4qj14tbncFY= =cjtJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Status of the hangar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What's the status of the hangar at http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/aircraft/ Does it show all planes in CVS or only released versions? Why do all have the version v20051121? CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDwn31lhWtxOxWNFcRAjyeAKC32LvT3oag0N8ncy/X6PGfcwI5CACgipgs 4vtSkZ3u7vyMjoU2vQcVl0I= =4oi1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Texture compression experiments in plib
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 AJ MacLeod schrieb: I was hoping that it might enable me to run Jon's new KSFO scenery with Tiger data, but no improvement there at all. Either Jon has to reduce the ploy count markedly, or I have to upgrade my video card! Same here, unfortunately :-( I'd go for the latter option. Eventually... I think we have to take special care about those that can't upgrade their graphics hardware - notebook users. Even new ones are currently sold with 64 MB of VRAM. HiRes textures/models are great. But perhaps a low res version can/should be added also (IIRC we are doing that for the terrain already). This becomes even more important for multiplayer/AI as more planes are visible and thus their textures are in memory. It is even more a pity as during normal flight all other planes are far enough away that their textures are hardly visible anyway. If we could offer an additional low res version (only one texture of 256x256 pixels could be enough I reckon) for each plane, much can be gained and only a minimum of (cheap) disk space lost. This could keep a bit older hardware running for a long time. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDwpxylhWtxOxWNFcRAk1EAJ0aM8GtOJzvHDXKkEHx+buxQ/qWNgCglQdL orNSc8oWWbBLeqCM09+ORT0= =1s+t -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer voice comunication
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Spott schrieb: Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: Although voice communication would be a great addition to FlightGear, it is going to be pretty useless feature. Could you probably back this with an explanation ? Voice-based ATC is done all over the world, why should'nt FlightGear do this as well ? I understand the point that a real voice service does only make sense when there is an ATC service (at least for the big airports and instrument flying) that can handle it. This ATC must be maned or computered somehow. Assuming we've got a program that can simulate an ATC it still must interface the users. Predefined text messages would be the easiest to start with - but they can also work when the pilots have a voice chat between each other and can also be used with text-to-speech so that everyone else hears it. Text messages have the big problem that when you are already missing a few hands during landing you would need an additional hand that selects the correct text. A voice message would be parallel... So the very far and big aim would be a speech recognition capable ATC... Looking a few paragraphs back you see an assumption. That is currently not true. And I know noone who trys to tackle that problem. That leaves two possibilities: take it or leave it. Take it doesn't cost anything and might bring some fun and attract someone who loves to write the full blown ATC simulatior. Or leave it that also doesn't cost anything - except having fun. If someone integrates it I'd love to try it. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDvOm0lhWtxOxWNFcRAhslAJ9fNNTnNUYSudPQtGyg+yK0i3Hs/ACfSiKJ miQTNSVj0n3QUtmufwhAgy0= =ILrB -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer voice comunication
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrea Vezzali schrieb: Hi All! Some time ago on the mailing list I read something about multiplayer's voice comunication, does anyone is working on that? If yes what is the state of development? I'm asking that because I found this GPL project http://linux-wildo.sourceforge.net/ that maybe interesting for FG... A voice communication tool that works together with multi player would be great. It needs to fullfill at least a few requirements though: - - cross platform (i.e. run everywhere FG does) - - minimum use of resources - - be stable and easy to setup or include in FG (that includes installing and firewall/NAT penetration) - - it should be actively supported At least the first two seem to be covered. Nice to have would be: - - FGFS should be able to controll the voice link. Like adding statics based on the distance to the communication partner, etc. pp. - - seamless integration in FG Only having a very brief look linux-wildo it seems to have potential. But it looks like is has only one developer - that might become a problem if he decides to spend his time differently. CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDvF1+lhWtxOxWNFcRAuM8AJwPYp/hi8FsTH0K885s07BklSo1+gCgpkL3 bqrvqlLP20prrJ+IzmDvhxw= =W6aL -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] South-Germany Scenery Update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ralf Gerlich schrieb: Hi all, I have just uploaded the current release of the South Germany Custom Scenery. Great work! 2. Extended Area It's getting closer and closer... Any plans for the also very beautiful Munich area? (with my county(?) Miesbach - you'll have the touristic areas of the Tegernsee and the Schliersee in there) Frohe Weihnachten, Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDrwISlhWtxOxWNFcRAvs4AJ9MCjfZLJFAIRNsCZMeohPpVQDcawCfRK2B 3DCTjlExurEJXjqT7F8GTI8= =HYql -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Circuit simulator written in Nasal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Josh Babcock schrieb: Figures that it would be Ampere that would model the electrical system. Now if only we could get Volt and Watt to contribute ... :) That still would leave Mr Ohm, Mr Siemens (you know, one over Mr. Ohm), Mr. Fahrenheit, Mr Coloumb, etc pp. to contribute... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDrAxvlhWtxOxWNFcRAvPxAJ4x4EBXTQLDUSE93W084R6CXUn6yACbBiky WvznYuxnsBUTxHLXqKyOO7M= =7fby -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
