Bleeding Headers/Footers

[Cutler, Sonia S T]

First of all, many thanks indeed to Art and Fred for their advice on runaround 
text.

I am afraid that I have another question, though, which regards bleeding 
headers and footers.

Could anyone kindly tell me how you can get a coloured header (by coloured I am 
referring to background colour) to bleed into the top of the page (effectively 
extending the colour beyond the header text frame)?

Many thanks

Sonia

template mapping/perl scripting questions

[Elisa Sawyer]

Hi Framers!

Who knows of tools for mapping Frame paragraph styles/templates? I
found documentation about TemaplateMapper but it looks like it's no
longer available. what about Silicon Prairie Software's Paragraph
tool?

I'm also thinking about automating some other procedures that are
necessary for a conversion project so I need some basic information
about perl scripting--I'll need to convert hundreds of files to mif
and work with them. What's a good resource for information on perl
scripts, especially for working with mif files. I have found a few
libraries that look like they will help but need to backpedal so I can
set up the correct environment on a Linux machine.

--
Elisa R. Sawyer
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Senior Technical Writer
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Extremely bizarre error in FrameMaker 6

[Steve Rickaby]

At 12:39 -0600 2/3/06, Scott White wrote:

>I have seen that many times. It always seems to happen when I exceed what
>Frame thinks is acceptable line spacing, or something like that. I have yet
>to find a way to get rid of that.
>As soon as I see that happen, I immediately go back to my friend  "edit
>undo."

Thanks, Scott. In this case it's bizarre because:

a. I've never seen this in fifteen years' of using FrameMaker

b. It won't let me do the *$%*& edit ;-)

I guess I'll have to kill the in-line nonsense: it's no longer needed anyway.

Busywork, busywork...
-- 
Steve

Extremely bizarre error in FrameMaker 6

[Steve Rickaby]

Unstructured, Mac. 

While editing a figure caption that consists of an in-line paragraph with the 
number, and a follow-on paragraph with the caption (for historical reasons), I 
got an error log with the following message when I try to type or edit the 
caption. Does anyone have a clue what it might mean or imply? 

'Layout/Pack loop exceeded 100 iterations'

and the edit is refused.

The only change here is that I've recently gone from Mac OS X 10.3.9 to OS X 
10.4.5. I sincerely hope that that's not relevant: booting back into 10.3.9 
shows the same behavior.
-- 
Steve

weird graphic problem

[Rick Quatro]

Select the graphic and choose Graphics > Runaround and set it to Don't 
Runaround.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


I am having a weird problem. When I insert a full page graphic into my
master cover page for my book, the text will only appear in the middle
of the page. It's in a text box, but there is no offset number or
anything. I can't get the text to print at the top of the page. It's
weird. Any ideas.


Thanks,

Gillian Flato

Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

[Karen West]

Bernard asked:

> Are your source files already structured, or do you export to 
> XML using the FM "Save As" feature?

I do indeed use the 'save as' xml feature, my documents are not structured.

Rick suggested:

> I would suggest trying Mif2Go (http://www.omsys.com) to 
> generate your XML from unstructured FrameMaker. It is easier to customize
the 
> output you get and it should resolve the duplicate ID problem. 

Thanks for the suggestion Rick. Unfortunately I'm getting invalid xml
generated by Mif2Go.  

 

Viewed in Internet Explorer it says "Reference to undefined entity 'nbsp'."
I guess I shall have to email their technical support and see if they can
help. I don't know why there's a non-breaking space there as there isn't in
the Frame document. It's just a blank line in a table, that the Frame XML
treats as follows:





Karen West
Technical Writer
Cyberscience Corp UK
http://www.cyberscience.com

Bleeding Headers/Footers

[Cutler, Sonia S T]

First of all, many thanks indeed to Art and Fred for their advice on runaround 
text.
 
I am afraid that I have another question, though, which regards bleeding 
headers and footers.
 
Could anyone kindly tell me how you can get a coloured header (by coloured I am 
referring to background colour) to bleed into the top of the page (effectively 
extending the colour beyond the header text frame)?
 
Many thanks
 
Sonia

 
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template mapping/perl scripting questions

[Elisa Sawyer]

Hi Framers!

Who knows of tools for mapping Frame paragraph styles/templates? I
found documentation about TemaplateMapper but it looks like it's no
longer available. what about Silicon Prairie Software's Paragraph
tool?

I'm also thinking about automating some other procedures that are
necessary for a conversion project so I need some basic information
about perl scripting--I'll need to convert hundreds of files to mif
and work with them. What's a good resource for information on perl
scripts, especially for working with mif files. I have found a few
libraries that look like they will help but need to backpedal so I can
set up the correct environment on a Linux machine.

--
Elisa R. Sawyer
~^~
Senior Technical Writer
"All true things must change, and only that which changes remains
true." -- Carl Jung

MT Symbol Italic

[Rick Quatro]

Hello all,

I am looking for MT Symbol Italic in a TrueType version. If anyone knows 
where I can find it, please let me know. Please do not email it to me unless 
I ask for it so I am not deluged by attachments. Thank you very much.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

Re: Converting many directories using Mif2Go

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:27:26 -0800 (PST), John Posada 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I'm using the setting 
>[GraphFiles]
>gif=bmp
>
>I'm preconverting all the gifs to bmp and placing them in the target
>directory. For the most part, everything converts fine
>
>except
>
>any images where I've added callouts in FM, when I convert, I get a
>frame and I get the callouts, but the image behind the callouts is
>not incorporated. I get callouts floating in an empty frame.

That's what happens when we can't find the .bmp to incorporate
in the .wmf we create.  But if you put them in the output dir,
and they have the same names as the original .gifs (but a .bmp
extension), we should see them and bring them in.  We'd need to
see a test case (per User's Gude Appendix D) to figure out why 
this is happening.  For example, if you are clearing the output
dir at the start of conversion, the graphics might be removed
before they can be used.  In that case, put the .bmps in the
same dir as the original .gifs, and we'll find them there.

Another alternative is to check "Write for anchored frames" in
the Export dialog, in which case we'll write a single WMF for
each frame using Frame's graphic export filters.  However, the 
print quality of the image will not be as good by this method.

I'm not sure that we should continue copying the list on all
this, as it's getting real specific to your setup.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Converting many directories using Mif2Go

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:27:26 -0800 (PST), John Posada 
 wrote:

>I'm using the setting 
>[GraphFiles]
>gif=bmp
>
>I'm preconverting all the gifs to bmp and placing them in the target
>directory. For the most part, everything converts fine
>
>except
>
>any images where I've added callouts in FM, when I convert, I get a
>frame and I get the callouts, but the image behind the callouts is
>not incorporated. I get callouts floating in an empty frame.

That's what happens when we can't find the .bmp to incorporate
in the .wmf we create.  But if you put them in the output dir,
and they have the same names as the original .gifs (but a .bmp
extension), we should see them and bring them in.  We'd need to
see a test case (per User's Gude Appendix D) to figure out why 
this is happening.  For example, if you are clearing the output
dir at the start of conversion, the graphics might be removed
before they can be used.  In that case, put the .bmps in the
same dir as the original .gifs, and we'll find them there.

Another alternative is to check "Write for anchored frames" in
the Export dialog, in which case we'll write a single WMF for
each frame using Frame's graphic export filters.  However, the 
print quality of the image will not be as good by this method.

I'm not sure that we should continue copying the list on all
this, as it's getting real specific to your setup.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Re: weird graphic problem

[Rick Quatro]

Select the graphic and choose Graphics > Runaround and set it to Don't 
Runaround.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


I am having a weird problem. When I insert a full page graphic into my
master cover page for my book, the text will only appear in the middle
of the page. It's in a text box, but there is no offset number or
anything. I can't get the text to print at the top of the page. It's
weird. Any ideas.


Thanks,

Gillian Flato

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weird graphic problem

[Gillian Flato]

I am having a weird problem. When I insert a full page graphic into my
master cover page for my book, the text will only appear in the middle
of the page. It's in a text box, but there is no offset number or
anything. I can't get the text to print at the top of the page. It's
weird. Any ideas. 
 

Thanks,

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[Gillian Flato]

I am having a weird problem. When I insert a full page graphic into my
master cover page for my book, the text will only appear in the middle
of the page. It's in a text box, but there is no offset number or
anything. I can't get the text to print at the top of the page. It's
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Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

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Joe Malin wrote on 03/02/2006 01:37:44 PM:
> I don't know a way to find the duplicate ids offhand. sorry!

At the end of my first big SGML project I learned that lesson the hard way 
as well.

Fortunately, it wasn't difficult to script a solution with FrameScript. ;)

Eric L. Dunn
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RE: DITA possible for start-up/lone writer?

[Joe Malin]

Excellent points, Katie. Translation into other languages is not yet an
issue for us, but I am aware that it's one of XML documentation's big
selling points. Thanks for your advice!
 

TuVox, Inc.


19050 Pruneridge Avenue Suite 150, Cupertino, CA 95014-0715

Joe Malin   
Technical Writer
(408)625.1623   
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   
www.tuvox.com    
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.
 




From: Katie Kearns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:26 PM
To: Joe Malin; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: DITA possible for start-up/lone writer?


On 3/2/06, Joe Malin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



*   re-use, to avoid duplication
*   multi-channel delivery: ability to re-structure
help systems
into documents
*   localization/customization: ability to tailor
documentation to
individual customers 
*   quick, iterative delivery: respond quickly to
emerging needs


Don't forget the cost savings of localizing XML vs localizing
something like Frame. Our tranlsation company charges about $10 a page
to re-format from RTF back to FrameMaker. Translating XML is loads
cheaper. Factor that into your ROI. ;) 
 


I know XML and I've used it with structured FM since
FM6+SGML. I'm also
familiar with the conversion issues. I'm technically
savvy (I'm a former 
software engineer). However, I don't know everything
there is to know
about DITA or XSLTs.


I can't remember if you're a WebWorks user or not, but if you're
an engineer who tweaks WebWorks templates, you probably won't have much
trouble with XSLT. I know some developers who just cannot cope with it,
since it's a functional language instead of a procedural language and
they couldn't deal without variables or for loops ;) -- but if you're
used to applying templates with something like WebWorks (or similar),
you already have the right mindset. If you continue to use Frame, you
don't even have to worry about leanring XSL-FO (which is a bit of a
headache), because you should be able to use Frame to create PDFs. 
 


Does it make sense for a lone writer in a startup to use
DITA? Will I
need lots of high-priced consultant help? Am I walking
into a morass? I 
have to tell you that I think DITA would help us, but
I'm *really*
unfamiliar with trying to pioneer such an idea in a
small company that
wants to save money anywhere it can.


I'd say it's easier than trying to implement it in a group of
two dozen people down the road? :D I don't use DITA myself, and there
are a few caveats with it... but a lot of my problems with it have to do
with the fact that it really won't fit the structure we need to move
over legacy docs the way we want to. 

It probably depends on how much time you have to dedicate to
setting up whatever systems you need -- like something for source
control! and some way to publish it to whatever destinations you need...
as well as your specific requirements for things like customized
documentation (it's a lot harder to generate it on the fly, than to just
be able to generate three different canned versions you can post on a
website or send to specific customers). 


But then, I think XML is pretty awesome stuff, and while I do
not recommend it for everyone, it would be a whole lot easier to
implement it when you don't have 20 other people to come to consensus
with about what the structure should look like 


-Katie



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DITA possible for start-up/lone writer?

[Joe Malin]

Excellent points, Katie. Translation into other languages is not yet an
issue for us, but I am aware that it's one of XML documentation's big
selling points. Thanks for your advice!


TuVox, Inc.


19050 Pruneridge Avenue Suite 150, Cupertino, CA 95014-0715

Joe Malin   
Technical Writer
(408)625.1623   
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com    
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.





From: Katie Kearns [mailto:katie.kearns at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:26 PM
To: Joe Malin; HATT at yahoogroups.com;
framers at lists.frameusers.com; techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: Re: DITA possible for start-up/lone writer?


On 3/2/06, Joe Malin  wrote: 



*   re-use, to avoid duplication
*   multi-channel delivery: ability to re-structure
help systems
into documents
*   localization/customization: ability to tailor
documentation to
individual customers 
*   quick, iterative delivery: respond quickly to
emerging needs


Don't forget the cost savings of localizing XML vs localizing
something like Frame. Our tranlsation company charges about $10 a page
to re-format from RTF back to FrameMaker. Translating XML is loads
cheaper. Factor that into your ROI. ;) 



I know XML and I've used it with structured FM since
FM6+SGML. I'm also
familiar with the conversion issues. I'm technically
savvy (I'm a former 
software engineer). However, I don't know everything
there is to know
about DITA or XSLTs.


I can't remember if you're a WebWorks user or not, but if you're
an engineer who tweaks WebWorks templates, you probably won't have much
trouble with XSLT. I know some developers who just cannot cope with it,
since it's a functional language instead of a procedural language and
they couldn't deal without variables or for loops ;) -- but if you're
used to applying templates with something like WebWorks (or similar),
you already have the right mindset. If you continue to use Frame, you
don't even have to worry about leanring XSL-FO (which is a bit of a
headache), because you should be able to use Frame to create PDFs. 



Does it make sense for a lone writer in a startup to use
DITA? Will I
need lots of high-priced consultant help? Am I walking
into a morass? I 
have to tell you that I think DITA would help us, but
I'm *really*
unfamiliar with trying to pioneer such an idea in a
small company that
wants to save money anywhere it can.


I'd say it's easier than trying to implement it in a group of
two dozen people down the road? :D I don't use DITA myself, and there
are a few caveats with it... but a lot of my problems with it have to do
with the fact that it really won't fit the structure we need to move
over legacy docs the way we want to. 

It probably depends on how much time you have to dedicate to
setting up whatever systems you need -- like something for source
control! and some way to publish it to whatever destinations you need...
as well as your specific requirements for things like customized
documentation (it's a lot harder to generate it on the fly, than to just
be able to generate three different canned versions you can post on a
website or send to specific customers). 


But then, I think XML is pretty awesome stuff, and while I do
not recommend it for everyone, it would be a whole lot easier to
implement it when you don't have 20 other people to come to consensus
with about what the structure should look like 


-Katie

DITA possible for start-up/lone writer?

[Joe Malin]

I may have seen the same meeting (or even been at it).

I am familiar with BlastRadius XMetal. The problem with it (and with
many XML editors) is it costs money, *big* money. We happen to have a
connection with Adobe in which we can get their software cheap. Anything
else is just not gonna fly.




 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: techwr-l-bounces+jmalin=tuvox@lists.techwr-l.com
[mailto:techwr-l-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.techwr-l.com] On Behalf
Of Jones, Donna
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:20 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: RE: DITA possible for start-up/lone writer?

Joe,

I saw a presentation at an STC meeting last year for BlastRadius XMetal
for DITA. I'm a die-hard Frame user, yet the features and ease of use
had me drooling on myself. I would recommend looking into it.

- Donna
(no connection to BlastRadius other than as a spectator at a meeting...)

RE: DITA possible for start-up/lone writer?

[Joe Malin]

I may have seen the same meeting (or even been at it).

I am familiar with BlastRadius XMetal. The problem with it (and with
many XML editors) is it costs money, *big* money. We happen to have a
connection with Adobe in which we can get their software cheap. Anything
else is just not gonna fly.

 


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Jones, Donna
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:20 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: DITA possible for start-up/lone writer?

Joe,

I saw a presentation at an STC meeting last year for BlastRadius XMetal
for DITA. I'm a die-hard Frame user, yet the features and ease of use
had me drooling on myself. I would recommend looking into it.

- Donna
(no connection to BlastRadius other than as a spectator at a meeting...)
 
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[Scott Abel]

Framers:

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Re: Converting many directories using Mif2Go

[John Posada]

Jeremy...something odd.

I'm using the setting 
[GraphFiles]
gif=bmp

I'm preconverting all the gifs to bmp and placing them in the target
directory. For the most part, everything converts fine

except

any images where I've added callouts in FM, when I convert, I get a
frame and I get the callouts, but the image behind the callouts is
not incorporated. I get callouts floating in an empty frame.

Is this a setting I should be making? 

--- "Jeremy H. Griffith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 08:56:43 -0800 (PST), John Posada
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> 
> >I'm trying to convert 15 books to Word using MIF2GO. A recent
> feature
> >added to M2G is the ability to place a path in the INI to variable
> >changes so that instead of making changes in each INI, the path
> >brings them in to the default ini.
> 
> Yes, we use that ourselves constantly.  You can chain these
> references too...  ;-)
> 
> >I've been unable to find how to implement this in the help. Can
> >someone point me to the topics or give me the steps that implement
> >this?
> 
> It's in the Automation chapter, in par. 27.2, "Importing settings 
> from configuration templates".  Basically, you make an .ini
> file that has the settings you want your config template, give
> it a new name, and reference it in:
> 
>   [FDK]
>   ; ConfigTemplate = path to configuration template file
>   ConfigTemplate=D:/path/to/MyTemplate.ini 
> 
> Any settings in your mif2htm.ini (or mif2rtf.ini) will override
> the settings in your config template, so you will want to strip
> your local .ini down to the minimum you need in it.  Par. 27.2.1
> gives the details on which settings to use where.


John Posada
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Converting many directories using Mif2Go

[John Posada]

Jeremy...something odd.

I'm using the setting 
[GraphFiles]
gif=bmp

I'm preconverting all the gifs to bmp and placing them in the target
directory. For the most part, everything converts fine

except

any images where I've added callouts in FM, when I convert, I get a
frame and I get the callouts, but the image behind the callouts is
not incorporated. I get callouts floating in an empty frame.

Is this a setting I should be making? 

--- "Jeremy H. Griffith"  wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 08:56:43 -0800 (PST), John Posada
>  
> wrote:
> 
> >I'm trying to convert 15 books to Word using MIF2GO. A recent
> feature
> >added to M2G is the ability to place a path in the INI to variable
> >changes so that instead of making changes in each INI, the path
> >brings them in to the default ini.
> 
> Yes, we use that ourselves constantly.  You can chain these
> references too...  ;-)
> 
> >I've been unable to find how to implement this in the help. Can
> >someone point me to the topics or give me the steps that implement
> >this?
> 
> It's in the Automation chapter, in par. 27.2, "Importing settings 
> from configuration templates".  Basically, you make an .ini
> file that has the settings you want your config template, give
> it a new name, and reference it in:
> 
>   [FDK]
>   ; ConfigTemplate = path to configuration template file
>   ConfigTemplate=D:/path/to/MyTemplate.ini 
> 
> Any settings in your mif2htm.ini (or mif2rtf.ini) will override
> the settings in your config template, so you will want to strip
> your local .ini down to the minimum you need in it.  Par. 27.2.1
> gives the details on which settings to use where.


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"So long and thanks for all the fish."

DITA possible for start-up/lone writer?

[Joe Malin]

Hi!
 
I am looking for experiences and advice about using DITA from tech
writers who are familiar with real success stories.
 
I'm the only tech writer here at TuVox, a 70-person startup. I am
seriously considering using DITA as the basis of a single-source
structured documentation environment. The reasons I want single-source
and structure are 

*   re-use, to avoid duplication
*   multi-channel delivery: ability to re-structure help systems
into documents
*   localization/customization: ability to tailor documentation to
individual customers
*   quick, iterative delivery: respond quickly to emerging needs 

>From what I know of DITA, I think it matches these requirements pretty
well.
 
I know XML and I've used it with structured FM since FM6+SGML. I'm also
familiar with the conversion issues. I'm technically savvy (I'm a former
software engineer). However, I don't know everything there is to know
about DITA or XSLTs.
 
Does it make sense for a lone writer in a startup to use DITA? Will I
need lots of high-priced consultant help? Am I walking into a morass? I
have to tell you that I think DITA would help us, but I'm *really*
unfamiliar with trying to pioneer such an idea in a small company that
wants to save money anywhere it can.
 
Joe
 
TuVox, Inc.

19050 Pruneridge Avenue Suite 150, Cupertino, CA 95014-0715

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[Joe Malin]

Hi!

I am looking for experiences and advice about using DITA from tech
writers who are familiar with real success stories.

I'm the only tech writer here at TuVox, a 70-person startup. I am
seriously considering using DITA as the basis of a single-source
structured documentation environment. The reasons I want single-source
and structure are 

*   re-use, to avoid duplication
*   multi-channel delivery: ability to re-structure help systems
into documents
*   localization/customization: ability to tailor documentation to
individual customers
*   quick, iterative delivery: respond quickly to emerging needs 

Extremely bizarre error in FrameMaker 6

[Scott White]

I have seen that many times. It always seems to happen when I exceed what
Frame thinks is acceptable line spacing, or something like that. I have yet
to find a way to get rid of that.
As soon as I see that happen, I immediately go back to my friend  "edit
undo."

-- 
Scott White
Media Production Manager
AlaMark Technologies
210-704-8239
swhite at alamark.com


> From: Steve Rickaby 
> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:29:17 +
> To: 
> Cc: 
> Subject: Extremely bizarre error in FrameMaker 6
> 
> Unstructured, Mac.
> 
> While editing a figure caption that consists of an in-line paragraph with the
> number, and a follow-on paragraph with the caption (for historical reasons), I
> got an error log with the following message when I try to type or edit the
> caption. Does anyone have a clue what it might mean or imply?
> 
> 'Layout/Pack loop exceeded 100 iterations'
> 
> and the edit is refused.
> 
> The only change here is that I've recently gone from Mac OS X 10.3.9 to OS X
> 10.4.5. I sincerely hope that that's not relevant: booting back into 10.3.9
> shows the same behavior.
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Copying Text Box Crashes Frame

[Katy Wegner]

FrameMaker 7.0 and now 7.2

When I draw a text box using the tools palette and try to copy it
(select the box and click Ctrl C), I get the dreaded 
Internal Error: 7204, #, ##

and FrameMaker shuts down. 

I was hoping this might get fixed.  Does anyone know anything about
this? ( just looked through Adobe Forums and FAQs and didn't see it).

Thanks,
Katy


 
 
    
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Senior Technical Writer
Main:  303.449.4100
Direct:  303.217.9028
Fax:  303.442.0965

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TOC Formatting Problem

[Grant Hogarth]

David --
   I'd set up ONE book as a "Master Template" with all the settings as
you want them for Paras, Chars, Colors, Variables, etc. Set up the
Master Pages and the assorted generated documents (TOC, IX, LOM, etc.)
as you want them as well. Save it in a special directory and make it
"read only".  Now you can apply the formats to your manuals.  There is a
really useful pair of free plugins from CUDSpan -- one that that allows
you to search for overrides and kill them as needed, another that lets
you clean out unused para/char tags.  EZTools also has some really
useful free plugins as well.  If you are willing to pay, then SYSTEC
GmbH's Toolbox  [www.systec-gmbh.com/toolbox] is the way to go.

Once you've standardized your docs, it should be easier to keep them
that way.

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On Behalf Of David Flynn
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:56 AM
To: Daniel Emory
Cc: Framers List
Subject: Re: TOC Formatting Problem

Hi Daniel, Stuart and Richard,

Thanks for the encouragement and guidance. That is a sizeable
explainationDaniel Thanks once again.

The problem I'm facing deals with using the existing template that we
have in our company.
Over the past few "handovers" from one technical writer to the nexthas
resulted in tweaking of the template here and there. Which has basically
resulted in some of the styles being different in a book or an fm. And I
have a library of ten guides.

e.g. of errors specific to certain guides

Color * definition inconsistent; whereas the other fms of the same book
don't throw this error.
Show / Comment usage inconsistent; whereas all tags have been removed
and comments set to Show All.

Each guide having its various versions of templates. Mind you I am at a
loose end as far as the consistency in presentation is conserned. Some
fms have some styles which have "overrides". Frankly, I am unclear as to
how to changeover to a single template that all guides should use.
Secondly, how I can bring about a single template change.

Is it as easy / difficult as in "certain other software" ???
:)

I have tried to checkout Adobe Training Centers available in New Delhi,
India but found none.

I am glad that we can share knowledge via this group.

Thank you,

David A.Flynn
Technical Writer

Save as RTF?

[Robert Kern]

Murray,

We have to maintain Word versions of all chapters on a book for 
individual content owners to work with after each quarterly printing.

After we print the book, we impose a plain vanilla Frame template on the 
files to eliminate all the design and problems that occur with lists and 
such. We also run the art folder through a photoshop macro to reduce the 
resolution to 72 dpi (resolves a lot of the size issue) and relink the 
art to the new folder.

We still have to go through each chapter to check on extraneous returns 
and anomalies, but it seems to be a good way to get 98% of the way to 
clean RTF using only Frame's built in capabilities.

-bob
TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc.

pearlrosenberg at nc.rr.com wrote:

>Murray,
>
>I have never gotten save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0 to work.
>
>I have gotten save as RTF to work, but the files are HUGE, especially 
>if they have graphics.
>
>Pearl Rosenberg
>TeleHealth Services
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Murray Moore 
>Date: Thursday, March 2, 2006 8:19 am
>Subject: Save as RTF?
>  
>
>>Version 6.0p405 
>>Windows XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 2 
>>
>>I am trying to convince my manager to buy mif2go. 
>>
>>Does Save as RTF, and Save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0, ever 
>>work, under any circumstance? 
>>
>>If yes, what is the procedure? 
>>
>>If no (rhetorical question), why are they in the list of Save 
>>
>>
>options? 
>  
>
>>/\/\ 
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MT Symbol Italic

[Rick Quatro]

Hello all,

I am looking for MT Symbol Italic in a TrueType version. If anyone knows 
where I can find it, please let me know. Please do not email it to me unless 
I ask for it so I am not deluged by attachments. Thank you very much.


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Murray,

I have never gotten save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0 to work.

I have gotten save as RTF to work, but the files are HUGE, especially 
if they have graphics.

Pearl Rosenberg
TeleHealth Services


- Original Message -
From: Murray Moore 
Date: Thursday, March 2, 2006 8:19 am
Subject: Save as RTF?
> Version 6.0p405 
> Windows XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 2 
> 
> I am trying to convince my manager to buy mif2go. 
> 
> Does Save as RTF, and Save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0, ever 
> work, under any circumstance? 
> 
> If yes, what is the procedure? 
> 
> If no (rhetorical question), why are they in the list of Save 
options? 
> 
> /\/\ 
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> Mississauga 
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Re: Converting many directories using Mif2Go

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:41:44 -0800 (PST), John Posada 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Thanks, Jeremy. Question...does the ini "snip" require any header
>text 

No.

>or the bracketed heading of the section

Yes.  It follows exactly the same rules as any other .ini.

>or can I just include a single line and that will get referenced. 

No.  How would it know which section was intended?  ;-)
Many settings are valid in more than one, for different
purposes.

>For example, for the settings:
>
>;DCL .ini file created Thu Mar 02 10:01:51 2006
>; for C:\Documents and Settings\John Posada\My
>Documents\Documentation\RTM.book
>
>and
>
>[GraphFiles]
>gif=bmp
>
>can I just use gif=bmp 

No.

>or must I include the [GraphFiles] part also

Yes.

>do I need to include the header portion with the ;

No.  Comments are never necessary, and in fact it's
better to omit them when possible for improved speed.

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Converting many directories using Mif2Go

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:41:44 -0800 (PST), John Posada 
 wrote:

>Thanks, Jeremy. Question...does the ini "snip" require any header
>text 

No.

>or the bracketed heading of the section

Yes.  It follows exactly the same rules as any other .ini.

>or can I just include a single line and that will get referenced. 

No.  How would it know which section was intended?  ;-)
Many settings are valid in more than one, for different
purposes.

>For example, for the settings:
>
>;DCL .ini file created Thu Mar 02 10:01:51 2006
>; for C:\Documents and Settings\John Posada\My
>Documents\Documentation\RTM.book
>
>and
>
>[GraphFiles]
>gif=bmp
>
>can I just use gif=bmp 

No.

>or must I include the [GraphFiles] part also

Yes.

>do I need to include the header portion with the ;

No.  Comments are never necessary, and in fact it's
better to omit them when possible for improved speed.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

[ANN] STC Toronto Annual Conference - Preparing for Content Management Tipping Point

[Scott Abel]

Framers:

There's still time to register...I'll be speaking at the Toronto STC 
Conference - "Preparing for the Content Management Tipping Point" and 
wanted to encourage other list members in the area to attend. This 
event is a knock out event and features great presenters and excellent 
workshop topics. See press release below for details.


The Content Wrangler, Inc.
Scott Abel, Content Management Strategist
3421 Crystal Lakes Ct., Sarasota FL 34235
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Via Skype: abelsp

TheContentWrangler.com - Look there first!

Toronto ON - Your role as a technical communicator is destined to 
change. Are you ready? From March 27-29, the Toronto chapter of the 
Society for Technical Communication (STC) is presenting a three-day 
hands-on workshop series on Preparing for the Content Management 
Tipping Point. Several of the best-known industry experts and 
luminaries will lead us through half-day sessions on information 
design, architecture, and technologies needed for managing technical 
content.


DAY ONE
The first day helps us to consider our written information and how it 
is prepared for content management. Saul Carliner, of Concordia 
University, kicks off the series with an exploration of information 
design. Saul is an STC Fellow, author, and respected researcher in the 
field of technical communication. His workshop looks at how content and 
design affect the delivery and consumption of information. Jim Purdy, 
of Communicare in Toronto, looks into the well-established best 
practices of Information MappingR. Jim is Vice President Training at 
Communicare and a Master Trainer in the Information Mapping 
methodology. This workshop takes us through the process for structuring 
content for usability using Information Mapping.


DAY TWO
The second day of workshops focuses more on the technologies used to 
manage content. Michael Priestley, of IBM, sets aside the morning to 
walk us through the intricacies of DITA (Darwin Information Typing 
Architecture), an approved standard for managing XML content. Michael 
is a lead DITA Architect at IBM and one of the standard's original 
authors. Scott Abel, the Content Wrangler, dedicates the afternoon to 
examining many of the peripheral technologies that will impact the way 
content is collected, managed, and distributed. Scott is a founding 
member and Vice President of Content Management Professionals (CM Pros) 
and a sought-after speaker on many advanced technical communication 
subjects.


DAY THREE
On the final day of the series, we look at how content management is 
implemented. Ann Rockley, of the Rockley Group, helps us develop a 
content management reuse strategy. Ann is an STC Fellow and a true 
pioneer in the field of online communication and single-source 
publishing. Her book, Managing Enterprise Content: A Unified Content 
Strategy, is the definitive source for planning and implementing 
content management solutions.


CM PROS SPONSORED EVENT
The afternoon program is hosted by CM Pros (Content Management 
Professionals) and features: Content Management - Doing it right. A 
variety of speakers will cover such topics as building a business case, 
DITA-based content management tools, getting started with content 
management and more. CM Pros is a non-profit organization established 
in 2003. The event is open to all members of the community but is 
limited to no more than 40 participants.


REGISTRATION AND FEES
Advanced registration closes March 10. Members of either the STC or CM 
Pros enjoy significant discounts on registration. Visit 
http://www.stctoronto.org/conference.htm to register online or call us 
at +1 (416) 941-8383 x 13826. VISA, check or money order, and PayPal 
accepted. Money raised by the conference will be used to support the 
Toronto STC chapter.


Cheers, Rob Hanna, President, Toronto STC

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many into one

[Milan Davidovic]

I'm having no luck with searching the frameusers.com
site, so perhaps I can put this to you...

Recently, I had the task of bringing the chapters of
one Frame book into a single chapter of another Frame
book. It wasn't a big task, so I did this:

1. Created the file that would serve as the chapter in
the target book.
2. Imported the chapters of the source book as text
insets.
3. Converted the insets into text.
4. Add the file to the target book.

Are there more efficient options for performing this
task?

Thanks...

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Re: Converting many directories using Mif2Go

[John Posada]

Thanks, Jeremy. Question...does the ini "snip" require any header
text or the bracketed heading of the section, or can I just include a
single line and that will get referenced. For example, for the
settings:

;DCL .ini file created Thu Mar 02 10:01:51 2006
; for C:\Documents and Settings\John Posada\My
Documents\Documentation\RTM.book

and

[GraphFiles]
gif=bmp

can I just use gif=bmp or must I include the [GraphFiles] part also
do I need to include the header portion with the ;

--- "Jeremy H. Griffith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 08:56:43 -0800 (PST), John Posada
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> 
> >I'm trying to convert 15 books to Word using MIF2GO. A recent
> feature
> >added to M2G is the ability to place a path in the INI to variable
> >changes so that instead of making changes in each INI, the path
> >brings them in to the default ini.
> 
> Yes, we use that ourselves constantly.  You can chain these
> references too...  ;-)
> 
> >I've been unable to find how to implement this in the help. Can
> >someone point me to the topics or give me the steps that implement
> >this?
> 
> It's in the Automation chapter, in par. 27.2, "Importing settings 
> from configuration templates".  Basically, you make an .ini
> file that has the settings you want your config template, give
> it a new name, and reference it in:
> 
>   [FDK]
>   ; ConfigTemplate = path to configuration template file
>   ConfigTemplate=D:/path/to/MyTemplate.ini 
> 
> Any settings in your mif2htm.ini (or mif2rtf.ini) will override
> the settings in your config template, so you will want to strip
> your local .ini down to the minimum you need in it.  Par. 27.2.1
> gives the details on which settings to use where.
> 
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
>   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  http://www.omsys.com/
> 


John Posada
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Converting many directories using Mif2Go

[John Posada]

Thanks, Jeremy. Question...does the ini "snip" require any header
text or the bracketed heading of the section, or can I just include a
single line and that will get referenced. For example, for the
settings:

;DCL .ini file created Thu Mar 02 10:01:51 2006
; for C:\Documents and Settings\John Posada\My
Documents\Documentation\RTM.book

and

[GraphFiles]
gif=bmp

can I just use gif=bmp or must I include the [GraphFiles] part also
do I need to include the header portion with the ;

--- "Jeremy H. Griffith"  wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 08:56:43 -0800 (PST), John Posada
>  
> wrote:
> 
> >I'm trying to convert 15 books to Word using MIF2GO. A recent
> feature
> >added to M2G is the ability to place a path in the INI to variable
> >changes so that instead of making changes in each INI, the path
> >brings them in to the default ini.
> 
> Yes, we use that ourselves constantly.  You can chain these
> references too...  ;-)
> 
> >I've been unable to find how to implement this in the help. Can
> >someone point me to the topics or give me the steps that implement
> >this?
> 
> It's in the Automation chapter, in par. 27.2, "Importing settings 
> from configuration templates".  Basically, you make an .ini
> file that has the settings you want your config template, give
> it a new name, and reference it in:
> 
>   [FDK]
>   ; ConfigTemplate = path to configuration template file
>   ConfigTemplate=D:/path/to/MyTemplate.ini 
> 
> Any settings in your mif2htm.ini (or mif2rtf.ini) will override
> the settings in your config template, so you will want to strip
> your local .ini down to the minimum you need in it.  Par. 27.2.1
> gives the details on which settings to use where.
> 
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
> http://www.omsys.com/
> 


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"So long and thanks for all the fish."

Copying Text Box Crashes Frame

[Katy Wegner]

FrameMaker 7.0 and now 7.2
 
When I draw a text box using the tools palette and try to copy it
(select the box and click Ctrl C), I get the dreaded 
Internal Error: 7204, #, ##
 
and FrameMaker shuts down. 
 
I was hoping this might get fixed.  Does anyone know anything about
this? ( just looked through Adobe Forums and FAQs and didn't see it).
 
Thanks,
Katy
 
 
 
 
    
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Senior Technical Writer
Main:  303.449.4100
Direct:  303.217.9028
Fax:  303.442.0965

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"Styles" question (was TOC Formatting Problem)

[Combs, Richard]

David Flynn wrote: 

> I am new to FrameMaker (6.0). Could anyone describe how we can set /
update
> / create / modify styles in
> 
> 1. a book
> 2. its individual fms

If you really intended to ask the very broad question you asked, the
flip answer is RTFM. 

The slightly longer version is: FM uses a variety of defined and named
"formats" ("styles" in certain other software), including paragraphs,
characters, tables, and cross-references. Describing how to create,
modify, use, and update them occupies big chunks of the user manual,
online help, and third-party books on FM. If you're not comfortable
learning from those sources, maybe you should seek out training. 

If that isn't the question you intended to ask, maybe you could be more
specific. 

Richard

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RE: TOC Formatting Problem

[Grant Hogarth]

David --
   I'd set up ONE book as a "Master Template" with all the settings as
you want them for Paras, Chars, Colors, Variables, etc. Set up the
Master Pages and the assorted generated documents (TOC, IX, LOM, etc.)
as you want them as well. Save it in a special directory and make it
"read only".  Now you can apply the formats to your manuals.  There is a
really useful pair of free plugins from CUDSpan -- one that that allows
you to search for overrides and kill them as needed, another that lets
you clean out unused para/char tags.  EZTools also has some really
useful free plugins as well.  If you are willing to pay, then SYSTEC
GmbH's Toolbox  [www.systec-gmbh.com/toolbox] is the way to go.

Once you've standardized your docs, it should be easier to keep them
that way.

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Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:56 AM
To: Daniel Emory
Cc: Framers List
Subject: Re: TOC Formatting Problem

Hi Daniel, Stuart and Richard,

Thanks for the encouragement and guidance. That is a sizeable
explainationDaniel Thanks once again.

The problem I'm facing deals with using the existing template that we
have in our company.
Over the past few "handovers" from one technical writer to the nexthas
resulted in tweaking of the template here and there. Which has basically
resulted in some of the styles being different in a book or an fm. And I
have a library of ten guides.

e.g. of errors specific to certain guides

Color * definition inconsistent; whereas the other fms of the same book
don't throw this error.
Show / Comment usage inconsistent; whereas all tags have been removed
and comments set to Show All.

Each guide having its various versions of templates. Mind you I am at a
loose end as far as the consistency in presentation is conserned. Some
fms have some styles which have "overrides". Frankly, I am unclear as to
how to changeover to a single template that all guides should use.
Secondly, how I can bring about a single template change.

Is it as easy / difficult as in "certain other software" ???
:)

I have tried to checkout Adobe Training Centers available in New Delhi,
India but found none.

I am glad that we can share knowledge via this group.

Thank you,

David A.Flynn
Technical Writer
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Re: Converting many directories using Mif2Go

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 08:56:43 -0800 (PST), John Posada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>I'm trying to convert 15 books to Word using MIF2GO. A recent feature
>added to M2G is the ability to place a path in the INI to variable
>changes so that instead of making changes in each INI, the path
>brings them in to the default ini.

Yes, we use that ourselves constantly.  You can chain these
references too...  ;-)

>I've been unable to find how to implement this in the help. Can
>someone point me to the topics or give me the steps that implement
>this?

It's in the Automation chapter, in par. 27.2, "Importing settings 
from configuration templates".  Basically, you make an .ini
file that has the settings you want your config template, give
it a new name, and reference it in:

  [FDK]
  ; ConfigTemplate = path to configuration template file
  ConfigTemplate=D:/path/to/MyTemplate.ini 

Any settings in your mif2htm.ini (or mif2rtf.ini) will override
the settings in your config template, so you will want to strip
your local .ini down to the minimum you need in it.  Par. 27.2.1
gives the details on which settings to use where.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Converting many directories using Mif2Go

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 08:56:43 -0800 (PST), John Posada  
wrote:

>I'm trying to convert 15 books to Word using MIF2GO. A recent feature
>added to M2G is the ability to place a path in the INI to variable
>changes so that instead of making changes in each INI, the path
>brings them in to the default ini.

Yes, we use that ourselves constantly.  You can chain these
references too...  ;-)

>I've been unable to find how to implement this in the help. Can
>someone point me to the topics or give me the steps that implement
>this?

It's in the Automation chapter, in par. 27.2, "Importing settings 
from configuration templates".  Basically, you make an .ini
file that has the settings you want your config template, give
it a new name, and reference it in:

  [FDK]
  ; ConfigTemplate = path to configuration template file
  ConfigTemplate=D:/path/to/MyTemplate.ini 

Any settings in your mif2htm.ini (or mif2rtf.ini) will override
the settings in your config template, so you will want to strip
your local .ini down to the minimum you need in it.  Par. 27.2.1
gives the details on which settings to use where.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Re: Extremely bizarre error in FrameMaker 6

[Steve Rickaby]

At 12:39 -0600 2/3/06, Scott White wrote:

>I have seen that many times. It always seems to happen when I exceed what
>Frame thinks is acceptable line spacing, or something like that. I have yet
>to find a way to get rid of that.
>As soon as I see that happen, I immediately go back to my friend  "edit
>undo."

Thanks, Scott. In this case it's bizarre because:

a. I've never seen this in fifteen years' of using FrameMaker

b. It won't let me do the *$%*& edit ;-)

I guess I'll have to kill the in-line nonsense: it's no longer needed anyway.

Busywork, busywork...
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Re: Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:20:48 -, "Karen West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>Rick suggested:
>
>> I would suggest trying Mif2Go (http://www.omsys.com) to 
>> generate your XML from unstructured FrameMaker. It is 
>> easier to customize the output you get and it should 
>> resolve the duplicate ID problem. 

Thanks, Rick!

If you actually have duplicate IDs, meaning the same number as
the ObjectID of two paragraphs (in the MIF  tag),
then no, Mif2Go will not correct this problem.  But it is very
uncommon in unstructured Frame.  (Structured is another story.)

Frame assigns a new ID whenever you copy/paste or create a new
para.  However, if you cut/paste (within the same file), it 
retains the previous ID, correctly so.  So if you do run into 
this unlikely problem, the fix is to select one of the paras
with the duplicate ID, copy (not cut) it, delete it, then paste
it back.  It will get a new ID and all will be well.

However, that's not the problem in the original post, where
you had:
   ObjectID instead, which is safer...

>Thanks for the suggestion Rick. Unfortunately I'm getting invalid xml
>generated by Mif2Go.  
>
> 
>
>Viewed in Internet Explorer it says "Reference to undefined entity 'nbsp'."

It's a good idea to define at least the common entities in your
XML DTD; else this will bite you elsewhere too.

>I guess I shall have to email their technical support and see if they can
>help. I don't know why there's a non-breaking space there as there isn't in
>the Frame document. It's just a blank line in a table...

We add the   because some browsers will not render the
borders, margins, and padding of a completely empty cell
correctly.  If you are sure this is not needed for your use,
you can remove it with:

[Table]
EmptyTbCellContent=

The empty value disables the  , or you can put in any
other content you want.  Note that 0 inserts an actual "0".

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Saving as XML... is it futile?

[Karen West]

As mentioned in my other post; I produce documentation using FrameMaker
70p579 and we are now attempting to get all of our documentation online in a
help system, using a tool written in-house with our own software (a 4GL
called Cyberscreen), while maintaining the existing documentation for PDF
and print output. Initially my part in this was just to save the individual
chapters of each book as xml, producing a .xml and .css for each chapter,
plus make sure all the images were saved as gifs. As predicted by people on
this list, we keep hitting problems with the XML that Frame outputs. Last
month the problem was related to formatting that was applied using the
toolbar and not character and paragraph tags, this week it's the discovery
of duplicate IDs in the XML (see separate post).

4 months+ since the project started and I'm definitely past the point of
thinking we are doing the right thing. I'm currently devoting practically
all my time (as the sole technical writer in the company) to resolving the
formatting issues, and now there's the duplicate ID problem. Is it worth
trying to carry on using 70p579, or should I upgrade to 7.2? If I upgrade
will the extra XML features mean I can avoid using Structured Frame or is
there no way around it? I would rather bite the bullet now, than waste even
more time by plodding on hopelessly as I have been doing.

TIA

Karen
Technical Writer
Cyberscience Corp UK
http://www.cyberscience.com

Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:20:48 -, "Karen West"  
wrote:

>Rick suggested:
>
>> I would suggest trying Mif2Go (http://www.omsys.com) to 
>> generate your XML from unstructured FrameMaker. It is 
>> easier to customize the output you get and it should 
>> resolve the duplicate ID problem. 

Thanks, Rick!

If you actually have duplicate IDs, meaning the same number as
the ObjectID of two paragraphs (in the MIF  tag),
then no, Mif2Go will not correct this problem.  But it is very
uncommon in unstructured Frame.  (Structured is another story.)

Frame assigns a new ID whenever you copy/paste or create a new
para.  However, if you cut/paste (within the same file), it 
retains the previous ID, correctly so.  So if you do run into 
this unlikely problem, the fix is to select one of the paras
with the duplicate ID, copy (not cut) it, delete it, then paste
it back.  It will get a new ID and all will be well.

However, that's not the problem in the original post, where
you had:
   ObjectID instead, which is safer...

>Thanks for the suggestion Rick. Unfortunately I'm getting invalid xml
>generated by Mif2Go.  
>
> 
>
>Viewed in Internet Explorer it says "Reference to undefined entity 'nbsp'."

It's a good idea to define at least the common entities in your
XML DTD; else this will bite you elsewhere too.

>I guess I shall have to email their technical support and see if they can
>help. I don't know why there's a non-breaking space there as there isn't in
>the Frame document. It's just a blank line in a table...

We add the   because some browsers will not render the
borders, margins, and padding of a completely empty cell
correctly.  If you are sure this is not needed for your use,
you can remove it with:

[Table]
EmptyTbCellContent=

The empty value disables the  , or you can put in any
other content you want.  Note that 0 inserts an actual "0".

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

[Karen West]

As I have previously mentioned, I produce documentation using FrameMaker
70p579 and we are now attempting to get all of our documentation online in a
help system, using a tool written in-house with our own software (a 4GL
called Cyberscreen), while maintaining the existing documentation for PDF
and print output. Initially my part in this was just to save the individual
chapters of each book as xml, producing a .xml and .css for each chapter,
plus make sure all the images were saved as gifs. As predicted by people on
this list, we keep hitting problems with the XML; last month the problem was
related to formatting that was applied using the toolbar and not character
and paragraph tags, which I'm currently resolving.

The latest problem is that there are duplicate IDs in the XML. A Google has
hinted that this is as a result of copying and pasting within chapters. 

Here's an example of the problem from the guy who's developing the XML
parsing tool:

---

This is a link to a location labelled "Installation", i.e. the XML says



Install the client and server software - see 


"
Software Installation

", page 78
. 

Unfortunately there are SEVEN places in this document where the XML contains



and as "page 78" means nothing to my scripts they can't tell which of them
is intended.

--

Does anyone know a way of identifying these duplicate ids and more
importantly how to avoid creating them in the first place.

TIA

Karen West
Technical Writer
Cyberscience Corp UK
http://www.cyberscience.com

Re: TOC Formatting Problem

[David Flynn]

Hi Daniel, Stuart and Richard,

Thanks for the encouragement and guidance. That is a sizeable
explainationDaniel Thanks once again.

The problem I'm facing deals with using the existing template that we have
in our company.
Over the past few "handovers" from one technical writer to the nexthas
resulted in tweaking of the template here and there. Which has basically
resulted in some of the styles being different in a book or an fm. And I
have a library of ten guides.

e.g. of errors specific to certain guides

Color * definition inconsistent; whereas the other fms of the same book
don't throw this error.
Show / Comment usage inconsistent; whereas all tags have been removed and
comments set to Show All.

Each guide having its various versions of templates. Mind you I am at a
loose end as far as the consistency in presentation is conserned. Some fms
have some styles which have "overrides". Frankly, I am unclear as to how to
changeover to a single template that all guides should use. Secondly, how I
can bring about a single template change.

Is it as easy / difficult as in "certain other software" ???   :)

I have tried to checkout Adobe Training Centers available in New Delhi,
India but found none.

I am glad that we can share knowledge via this group.

Thank you,

David A.Flynn
Technical Writer


On 3/1/06, Daniel Emory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- davidaflynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I am new to FrameMaker (6.0). Could anyone describe
> > how we can set / update
> > / create / modify styles in
> >
> > 1. a book
> > 2. its individual fms
> ===
> In the top menu bar of FM 6.0, choose File > New. In
> the New dialog, you'll see that, when FrameMaker was
> installed on your platform, a number of templates were
> added to your computer in a set of folders which are
> listed in the New dialog. Double-click on the Outlines
> folder to open it, and select the template named
> OutlineHarvard. Observe that the name of this template
> now appears in the Use Template slot. Now, click the
> New button to open a new (empty) document which will
> be an exact replica of the chosen OutlineHarvard
> template.
>
> To explore what makes up a template, do the following:
>
> 1. Choose View > Master Pages. Observe that there are
> three--Left, Right and First. Note that the Left and
> Right master pages have 3 text frames--The running
> header text frame which contains a variable, the Body
> text frame which is empty and will contain the content
> you create, and a running footer text frame which also
> contains a variable. Note that the First master page
> does not contain a running header, but otherwise is
> the same as the Left and Right master pages.
>
> 2. Next, choose View > Reference Pages. Observe that
> there are 6 reference pages, each having a name. Pages
> 3-5 provide the information for converting the
> document to HTML. Page 1 contains frames that appear
> above footnotes, page 2 contains the specifications
> for generating a table of contents, and page 6 defines
> the paragraph tags associated with each of the 4
> hierachical heading levels.
>
> 3. Next, choose View > Body Pages, and do the
> following:
>
> A. Choose Format > Paragraphs > Catalog. The paragraph
> catalog appears, and lists all of the named paragraph
> formats in the template. Then, choose Format >
> Paragraphs > Designer. In the paragraph designer you
> can examine all of the formatting information for each
> paragraph format listed in the paragraph catalog.
>
> B. Choose Format > Characters > Catalog. The character
> catalog appears, and lists all the named character
> styles in the template. Then, choose Format >
> Characters > Designer. In the character designer you
> can examine all of the formatting information for each
> character style l(other the default format).
>
> C. Choose Table > Table Designer. This dialog serves
> as both the table catalog and the formatting details
> for each named format.
>
> D. Choose Format > Document. This allows you to set up
> numbering properties, change bars, footnotes, and
> miscellaneous text options for your documents.
>
> E. Choose Special > Cross Reference to open the Cross
> Reference dialog. Then, choose Edit Format to open the
> Edit Cross Reference Format dialog. This dialog allows
> you to modify the definition and formatting of
> existing named cross-reference types as well as
> allowing you to add new named cross reference
> definitions.
>
> F. Choose Special > Variable. This dialog allows you
> to edit modify the definitions of system variables,
> and to create your own set of user-defined variables,
> each having an unique name.
>
> G. Choose Special > Marker. This dialog allows you to
> define your own set of special marker types.
>
> The above tour of a typical template gives you a
> handle on the scope of template design. Usually, it's
> best to begin with an existing template that's as
> close as possible to what you require, a

New to FM [WAS: TOC Formatting Problem]

[Stuart Rogers]

davidaflynn wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I am new to FrameMaker (6.0). Could anyone describe how we can set / update
> / create / modify styles in
> 
> 1. a book
> 2. its individual fms

David,

Dan Emory gave you a good start. You might also read the template primer 
on Adobe's site,
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/tempseries/pdfs/primer.pdf
which will give you a good grounding, too. You may also want to download 
some of the template packs:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/tempseries/main.html

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

[Spreadbury, David]

You can get rid of all of your duplicate IDs with XRefWizard  from
WestStreet Consulting (http://www.weststreetconsulting.com).

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs.com at lists.frameusers.co
m] On Behalf Of Karen West
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:21 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

Bernard asked:

> Are your source files already structured, or do you export to 
> XML using the FM "Save As" feature?

I do indeed use the 'save as' xml feature, my documents are not
structured.

Rick suggested:

> I would suggest trying Mif2Go (http://www.omsys.com) to 
> generate your XML from unstructured FrameMaker. It is easier to
customize
the 
> output you get and it should resolve the duplicate ID problem. 

Thanks for the suggestion Rick. Unfortunately I'm getting invalid xml
generated by Mif2Go.  

 

Viewed in Internet Explorer it says "Reference to undefined entity
'nbsp'."
I guess I shall have to email their technical support and see if they
can
help. I don't know why there's a non-breaking space there as there isn't
in
the Frame document. It's just a blank line in a table, that the Frame
XML
treats as follows:





Karen West
Technical Writer
Cyberscience Corp UK
http://www.cyberscience.com

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RE: Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

[eric . dunn]

Joe Malin wrote on 03/02/2006 01:37:44 PM:
> I don't know a way to find the duplicate ids offhand. sorry!

At the end of my first big SGML project I learned that lesson the hard way 
as well.

Fortunately, it wasn't difficult to script a solution with FrameScript. ;)

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Re: Extremely bizarre error in FrameMaker 6

[Scott White]

I have seen that many times. It always seems to happen when I exceed what
Frame thinks is acceptable line spacing, or something like that. I have yet
to find a way to get rid of that.
As soon as I see that happen, I immediately go back to my friend  "edit
undo."

-- 
Scott White
Media Production Manager
AlaMark Technologies
210-704-8239
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> From: Steve Rickaby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:29:17 +
> To: 
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Extremely bizarre error in FrameMaker 6
> 
> Unstructured, Mac.
> 
> While editing a figure caption that consists of an in-line paragraph with the
> number, and a follow-on paragraph with the caption (for historical reasons), I
> got an error log with the following message when I try to type or edit the
> caption. Does anyone have a clue what it might mean or imply?
> 
> 'Layout/Pack loop exceeded 100 iterations'
> 
> and the edit is refused.
> 
> The only change here is that I've recently gone from Mac OS X 10.3.9 to OS X
> 10.4.5. I sincerely hope that that's not relevant: booting back into 10.3.9
> shows the same behavior.
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Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

[Joe Malin]

It is absolutely a problem with cutting and pasting elements. You can
*not do this in FM*! (wish I could use bold).

Always create new elements, and always create new chapters from
templates and not by cloning old ones.

This was one of the first things I was warned about when using
structured FM at Oracle. Not that I'm saying Karen (or anyone else)
should have known; my guess is that Oracle found out the hard way!

I don't know a way to find the duplicate ids offhand. sorry!

Joe 


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The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Karen West
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:04 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

As I have previously mentioned, I produce documentation using FrameMaker
70p579 and we are now attempting to get all of our documentation online
in a help system, using a tool written in-house with our own software (a
4GL called Cyberscreen), while maintaining the existing documentation
for PDF and print output. Initially my part in this was just to save the
individual chapters of each book as xml, producing a .xml and .css for
each chapter, plus make sure all the images were saved as gifs. As
predicted by people on this list, we keep hitting problems with the XML;
last month the problem was related to formatting that was applied using
the toolbar and not character and paragraph tags, which I'm currently
resolving.

The latest problem is that there are duplicate IDs in the XML. A Google
has hinted that this is as a result of copying and pasting within
chapters. 

Here's an example of the problem from the guy who's developing the XML
parsing tool:

---

This is a link to a location labelled "Installation", i.e. the XML says



Install the client and server software - see 

"
Software Installation  ", page
78 . 

Unfortunately there are SEVEN places in this document where the XML
contains



and as "page 78" means nothing to my scripts they can't tell which of
them is intended.

RE: Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

[Joe Malin]

It is absolutely a problem with cutting and pasting elements. You can
*not do this in FM*! (wish I could use bold).

Always create new elements, and always create new chapters from
templates and not by cloning old ones.

This was one of the first things I was warned about when using
structured FM at Oracle. Not that I'm saying Karen (or anyone else)
should have known; my guess is that Oracle found out the hard way!

I don't know a way to find the duplicate ids offhand. sorry!

Joe 


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The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Karen West
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:04 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

As I have previously mentioned, I produce documentation using FrameMaker
70p579 and we are now attempting to get all of our documentation online
in a help system, using a tool written in-house with our own software (a
4GL called Cyberscreen), while maintaining the existing documentation
for PDF and print output. Initially my part in this was just to save the
individual chapters of each book as xml, producing a .xml and .css for
each chapter, plus make sure all the images were saved as gifs. As
predicted by people on this list, we keep hitting problems with the XML;
last month the problem was related to formatting that was applied using
the toolbar and not character and paragraph tags, which I'm currently
resolving.

The latest problem is that there are duplicate IDs in the XML. A Google
has hinted that this is as a result of copying and pasting within
chapters. 

Here's an example of the problem from the guy who's developing the XML
parsing tool:

---

This is a link to a location labelled "Installation", i.e. the XML says



Install the client and server software - see 

"
Software Installation  ", page
78 . 

Unfortunately there are SEVEN places in this document where the XML
contains



and as "page 78" means nothing to my scripts they can't tell which of
them is intended.

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Extremely bizarre error in FrameMaker 6

[Steve Rickaby]

Unstructured, Mac. 

While editing a figure caption that consists of an in-line paragraph with the 
number, and a follow-on paragraph with the caption (for historical reasons), I 
got an error log with the following message when I try to type or edit the 
caption. Does anyone have a clue what it might mean or imply? 

'Layout/Pack loop exceeded 100 iterations'

and the edit is refused.

The only change here is that I've recently gone from Mac OS X 10.3.9 to OS X 
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many into one

[Milan Davidovic]

I'm having no luck with searching the frameusers.com
site, so perhaps I can put this to you...

Recently, I had the task of bringing the chapters of
one Frame book into a single chapter of another Frame
book. It wasn't a big task, so I did this:

1. Created the file that would serve as the chapter in
the target book.
2. Imported the chapters of the source book as text
insets.
3. Converted the insets into text.
4. Add the file to the target book.

Are there more efficient options for performing this
task?

Thanks...

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Re: "Styles" question (was TOC Formatting Problem)

[Combs, Richard]

David Flynn wrote: 

> I am new to FrameMaker (6.0). Could anyone describe how we can set /
update
> / create / modify styles in
> 
> 1. a book
> 2. its individual fms

If you really intended to ask the very broad question you asked, the
flip answer is RTFM. 

The slightly longer version is: FM uses a variety of defined and named
"formats" ("styles" in certain other software), including paragraphs,
characters, tables, and cross-references. Describing how to create,
modify, use, and update them occupies big chunks of the user manual,
online help, and third-party books on FM. If you're not comfortable
learning from those sources, maybe you should seek out training. 

If that isn't the question you intended to ask, maybe you could be more
specific. 

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Save as RTF?

[Art Campbell]

I think that you can assume they work for some people all of the time
or all people some of the time.
But the issue you're raising is actually quality of translation and
depth of features.
 And MIF2Go supports many more nuances that can be exported more
correctly. A head-to-head comparison of your more complicated docs
should be a good demo.

And that's not even exploring MIF2Go's other export abilies.

Art

On 3/2/06, Murray Moore  wrote:
> Version 6.0p405
> Windows XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 2
>
> I am trying to convince my manager to buy mif2go.
>
> Does Save as RTF, and Save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0, ever work, under 
> any circumstance?
>
> If yes, what is the procedure?
>
> If no (rhetorical question), why are they in the list of Save options?



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Re: Save as RTF?

[Robert Kern]

Murray,

We have to maintain Word versions of all chapters on a book for 
individual content owners to work with after each quarterly printing.


After we print the book, we impose a plain vanilla Frame template on the 
files to eliminate all the design and problems that occur with lists and 
such. We also run the art folder through a photoshop macro to reduce the 
resolution to 72 dpi (resolves a lot of the size issue) and relink the 
art to the new folder.


We still have to go through each chapter to check on extraneous returns 
and anomalies, but it seems to be a good way to get 98% of the way to 
clean RTF using only Frame's built in capabilities.


-bob
TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc.

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Murray,

I have never gotten save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0 to work.

I have gotten save as RTF to work, but the files are HUGE, especially 
if they have graphics.


Pearl Rosenberg
TeleHealth Services


- Original Message -
From: Murray Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, March 2, 2006 8:19 am
Subject: Save as RTF?
 

Version 6.0p405 
Windows XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 2 

I am trying to convince my manager to buy mif2go. 

Does Save as RTF, and Save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0, ever 
work, under any circumstance? 

If yes, what is the procedure? 

If no (rhetorical question), why are they in the list of Save 
   

options? 
 

/\/\ 
Murray 
Mississauga 





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Save as RTF?

[Grant Hogarth]

Murray -- 
The embedded "Save as RTF/MS Word" tool does work , but not
reliably.  
Think of it as the lightweight "starter home" toolkit.  It can get most
of the job done, but not well and not completely.  MIF2Go's RTF engine
is a completely separate process, much more robust and very actively
maintained.  It's a "professional-grade" tool.

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[mailto:framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters.com at lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Murray Moore
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:20 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Save as RTF?

Version 6.0p405
Windows XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 2

I am trying to convince my manager to buy mif2go.

Does Save as RTF, and Save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0, ever work,
under any circumstance?

If yes, what is the procedure?

If no (rhetorical question), why are they in the list of Save options?

/\/\
Murray
Mississauga

Converting many directories using Mif2Go

[John Posada]

Hi, guys..

I'm trying to convert 15 books to Word using MIF2GO. A recent feature
added to M2G is the ability to place a path in the INI to variable
changes so that instead of making changes in each INI, the path
brings them in to the default ini.

I've been unable to find how to implement this in the help. Can
someone point me to the topics or give me the steps that implement
this?

Thanks.

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

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Converting many directories using Mif2Go

[John Posada]

Hi, guys..

I'm trying to convert 15 books to Word using MIF2GO. A recent feature
added to M2G is the ability to place a path in the INI to variable
changes so that instead of making changes in each INI, the path
brings them in to the default ini.

I've been unable to find how to implement this in the help. Can
someone point me to the topics or give me the steps that implement
this?

Thanks.

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"So long and thanks for all the fish."

Re: Save as RTF?

[pearlrosenberg]

Murray,

I have never gotten save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0 to work.

I have gotten save as RTF to work, but the files are HUGE, especially 
if they have graphics.

Pearl Rosenberg
TeleHealth Services


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Date: Thursday, March 2, 2006 8:19 am
Subject: Save as RTF?
> Version 6.0p405 
> Windows XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 2 
> 
> I am trying to convince my manager to buy mif2go. 
> 
> Does Save as RTF, and Save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0, ever 
> work, under any circumstance? 
> 
> If yes, what is the procedure? 
> 
> If no (rhetorical question), why are they in the list of Save 
options? 
> 
> /\/\ 
> Murray 
> Mississauga 
> 
> 
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RE: Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

[Spreadbury, David]

You can get rid of all of your duplicate IDs with XRefWizard  from
WestStreet Consulting (http://www.weststreetconsulting.com).

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Bernard asked:

> Are your source files already structured, or do you export to 
> XML using the FM "Save As" feature?

I do indeed use the 'save as' xml feature, my documents are not
structured.

Rick suggested:

> I would suggest trying Mif2Go (http://www.omsys.com) to 
> generate your XML from unstructured FrameMaker. It is easier to
customize
the 
> output you get and it should resolve the duplicate ID problem. 

Thanks for the suggestion Rick. Unfortunately I'm getting invalid xml
generated by Mif2Go.  

 

Viewed in Internet Explorer it says "Reference to undefined entity
'nbsp'."
I guess I shall have to email their technical support and see if they
can
help. I don't know why there's a non-breaking space there as there isn't
in
the Frame document. It's just a blank line in a table, that the Frame
XML
treats as follows:





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Cyberscience Corp UK
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Save as RTF?

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Murray,

Your mileage may vary, but I can't get FM's Save As .rtf to work. I use
Mif2Go for that conversion regularly and am happy with the results. So are
my clients who ask for the .rtf output.

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Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:20 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Save as RTF?


Version 6.0p405
Windows XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 2

I am trying to convince my manager to buy mif2go.

Does Save as RTF, and Save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0, ever work, under
any circumstance?

If yes, what is the procedure?

If no (rhetorical question), why are they in the list of Save options?

/\/\
Murray
Mississauga




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RE: Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

[Karen West]

Bernard asked:

> Are your source files already structured, or do you export to 
> XML using the FM "Save As" feature?

I do indeed use the 'save as' xml feature, my documents are not structured.

Rick suggested:

> I would suggest trying Mif2Go (http://www.omsys.com) to 
> generate your XML from unstructured FrameMaker. It is easier to customize
the 
> output you get and it should resolve the duplicate ID problem. 

Thanks for the suggestion Rick. Unfortunately I'm getting invalid xml
generated by Mif2Go.  

 

Viewed in Internet Explorer it says "Reference to undefined entity 'nbsp'."
I guess I shall have to email their technical support and see if they can
help. I don't know why there's a non-breaking space there as there isn't in
the Frame document. It's just a blank line in a table, that the Frame XML
treats as follows:





Karen West
Technical Writer
Cyberscience Corp UK
http://www.cyberscience.com

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Save as RTF?

[Murray Moore]

Version 6.0p405
Windows XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 2

I am trying to convince my manager to buy mif2go.

Does Save as RTF, and Save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0, ever work, under any 
circumstance?

If yes, what is the procedure?

If no (rhetorical question), why are they in the list of Save options?

/\/\
Murray
Mississauga

RE: Save as RTF?

[Grant Hogarth]

Murray -- 
The embedded "Save as RTF/MS Word" tool does work , but not
reliably.  
Think of it as the lightweight "starter home" toolkit.  It can get most
of the job done, but not well and not completely.  MIF2Go's RTF engine
is a completely separate process, much more robust and very actively
maintained.  It's a "professional-grade" tool.

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Subject: Save as RTF?

Version 6.0p405
Windows XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 2

I am trying to convince my manager to buy mif2go.

Does Save as RTF, and Save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0, ever work,
under any circumstance?

If yes, what is the procedure?

If no (rhetorical question), why are they in the list of Save options?

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Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Are your source files already structured, or do you export to XML using the FM 
"Save As" feature? If they are already structured then you may want to check 
out the xref tools from West Street Consulting (the website is 
http://www.weststreetconsulting.com) to help 'uniqu-ify' the ID values.

Hope that helps,

Bernard



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[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Karen West
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:04 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

As I have previously mentioned, I produce documentation using FrameMaker
70p579 and we are now attempting to get all of our documentation online in a 
help system, using a tool written in-house with our own software (a 4GL called 
Cyberscreen), while maintaining the existing documentation for PDF and print 
output. Initially my part in this was just to save the individual chapters of 
each book as xml, producing a .xml and .css for each chapter, plus make sure 
all the images were saved as gifs. As predicted by people on this list, we keep 
hitting problems with the XML; last month the problem was related to formatting 
that was applied using the toolbar and not character and paragraph tags, which 
I'm currently resolving.

The latest problem is that there are duplicate IDs in the XML. A Google has 
hinted that this is as a result of copying and pasting within chapters. 

Here's an example of the problem from the guy who's developing the XML parsing 
tool:

---

This is a link to a location labelled "Installation", i.e. the XML says



Install the client and server software - see 

"
Software Installation  ", page 78 
. 

Unfortunately there are SEVEN places in this document where the XML contains



and as "page 78" means nothing to my scripts they can't tell which of them is 
intended.

--

Does anyone know a way of identifying these duplicate ids and more importantly 
how to avoid creating them in the first place.

TIA

Karen West
Technical Writer
Cyberscience Corp UK
http://www.cyberscience.com

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Re: New to FM [WAS: TOC Formatting Problem]

[Stuart Rogers]

davidaflynn wrote:

Hi all,

I am new to FrameMaker (6.0). Could anyone describe how we can set / update
/ create / modify styles in

1. a book
2. its individual fms


David,

Dan Emory gave you a good start. You might also read the template primer 
on Adobe's site,

http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/tempseries/pdfs/primer.pdf
which will give you a good grounding, too. You may also want to download 
some of the template packs:

http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/tempseries/main.html

HTH,

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RE: Save as RTF?

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Murray,

Your mileage may vary, but I can't get FM's Save As .rtf to work. I use
Mif2Go for that conversion regularly and am happy with the results. So are
my clients who ask for the .rtf output.

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Subject: Save as RTF?


Version 6.0p405
Windows XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 2

I am trying to convince my manager to buy mif2go.

Does Save as RTF, and Save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0, ever work, under
any circumstance?

If yes, what is the procedure?

If no (rhetorical question), why are they in the list of Save options?

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Murray
Mississauga




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Re: Save as RTF?

[Art Campbell]

I think that you can assume they work for some people all of the time
or all people some of the time.
But the issue you're raising is actually quality of translation and
depth of features.
 And MIF2Go supports many more nuances that can be exported more
correctly. A head-to-head comparison of your more complicated docs
should be a good demo.

And that's not even exploring MIF2Go's other export abilies.

Art

On 3/2/06, Murray Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Version 6.0p405
> Windows XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 2
>
> I am trying to convince my manager to buy mif2go.
>
> Does Save as RTF, and Save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0, ever work, under 
> any circumstance?
>
> If yes, what is the procedure?
>
> If no (rhetorical question), why are they in the list of Save options?



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Saving as XML... is it futile?

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Karen,

I would suggest trying Mif2Go (http://www.omsys.com) to generate your XML 
from unstructured FrameMaker. It is easier to customize the output you get 
and it should resolve the duplicate ID problem. If it works for you, it will 
cost you around $300 US. Structured FrameMaker is fine, but then you have to 
develop an EDD, read/write rules, etc. You will basically be re-engineering 
your authoring environment to get better control over your output. This is 
not necessarily a bad thing, but if you are happy with unstructured 
FrameMaker, I would try Mif2Go so you can simply get good XML without 
messing around with the FrameMaker portion of your workflow.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


As mentioned in my other post; I produce documentation using FrameMaker
70p579 and we are now attempting to get all of our documentation online in a
help system, using a tool written in-house with our own software (a 4GL
called Cyberscreen), while maintaining the existing documentation for PDF
and print output. Initially my part in this was just to save the individual
chapters of each book as xml, producing a .xml and .css for each chapter,
plus make sure all the images were saved as gifs. As predicted by people on
this list, we keep hitting problems with the XML that Frame outputs. Last
month the problem was related to formatting that was applied using the
toolbar and not character and paragraph tags, this week it's the discovery
of duplicate IDs in the XML (see separate post).

4 months+ since the project started and I'm definitely past the point of
thinking we are doing the right thing. I'm currently devoting practically
all my time (as the sole technical writer in the company) to resolving the
formatting issues, and now there's the duplicate ID problem. Is it worth
trying to carry on using 70p579, or should I upgrade to 7.2? If I upgrade
will the extra XML features mean I can avoid using Structured Frame or is
there no way around it? I would rather bite the bullet now, than waste even
more time by plodding on hopelessly as I have been doing.

TIA

Karen
Technical Writer
Cyberscience Corp UK
http://www.cyberscience.com

Save as RTF?

[Murray Moore]

Version 6.0p405
Windows XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 2

I am trying to convince my manager to buy mif2go.

Does Save as RTF, and Save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0, ever work, under any 
circumstance?

If yes, what is the procedure?

If no (rhetorical question), why are they in the list of Save options?

/\/\
Murray
Mississauga




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RE: Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Are your source files already structured, or do you export to XML using the FM 
"Save As" feature? If they are already structured then you may want to check 
out the xref tools from West Street Consulting (the website is 
http://www.weststreetconsulting.com) to help 'uniqu-ify' the ID values.

Hope that helps,

Bernard



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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen West
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:04 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

As I have previously mentioned, I produce documentation using FrameMaker
70p579 and we are now attempting to get all of our documentation online in a 
help system, using a tool written in-house with our own software (a 4GL called 
Cyberscreen), while maintaining the existing documentation for PDF and print 
output. Initially my part in this was just to save the individual chapters of 
each book as xml, producing a .xml and .css for each chapter, plus make sure 
all the images were saved as gifs. As predicted by people on this list, we keep 
hitting problems with the XML; last month the problem was related to formatting 
that was applied using the toolbar and not character and paragraph tags, which 
I'm currently resolving.

The latest problem is that there are duplicate IDs in the XML. A Google has 
hinted that this is as a result of copying and pasting within chapters. 

Here's an example of the problem from the guy who's developing the XML parsing 
tool:

---

This is a link to a location labelled "Installation", i.e. the XML says



Install the client and server software - see 

"
Software Installation  ", page 78 
. 

Unfortunately there are SEVEN places in this document where the XML contains



and as "page 78" means nothing to my scripts they can't tell which of them is 
intended.

--

Does anyone know a way of identifying these duplicate ids and more importantly 
how to avoid creating them in the first place.

TIA

Karen West
Technical Writer
Cyberscience Corp UK
http://www.cyberscience.com

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Re: Saving as XML... is it futile?

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Karen,

I would suggest trying Mif2Go (http://www.omsys.com) to generate your XML 
from unstructured FrameMaker. It is easier to customize the output you get 
and it should resolve the duplicate ID problem. If it works for you, it will 
cost you around $300 US. Structured FrameMaker is fine, but then you have to 
develop an EDD, read/write rules, etc. You will basically be re-engineering 
your authoring environment to get better control over your output. This is 
not necessarily a bad thing, but if you are happy with unstructured 
FrameMaker, I would try Mif2Go so you can simply get good XML without 
messing around with the FrameMaker portion of your workflow.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


As mentioned in my other post; I produce documentation using FrameMaker
70p579 and we are now attempting to get all of our documentation online in a
help system, using a tool written in-house with our own software (a 4GL
called Cyberscreen), while maintaining the existing documentation for PDF
and print output. Initially my part in this was just to save the individual
chapters of each book as xml, producing a .xml and .css for each chapter,
plus make sure all the images were saved as gifs. As predicted by people on
this list, we keep hitting problems with the XML that Frame outputs. Last
month the problem was related to formatting that was applied using the
toolbar and not character and paragraph tags, this week it's the discovery
of duplicate IDs in the XML (see separate post).

4 months+ since the project started and I'm definitely past the point of
thinking we are doing the right thing. I'm currently devoting practically
all my time (as the sole technical writer in the company) to resolving the
formatting issues, and now there's the duplicate ID problem. Is it worth
trying to carry on using 70p579, or should I upgrade to 7.2? If I upgrade
will the extra XML features mean I can avoid using Structured Frame or is
there no way around it? I would rather bite the bullet now, than waste even
more time by plodding on hopelessly as I have been doing.

TIA

Karen
Technical Writer
Cyberscience Corp UK
http://www.cyberscience.com

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Saving as XML... is it futile?

[Karen West]

As mentioned in my other post; I produce documentation using FrameMaker
70p579 and we are now attempting to get all of our documentation online in a
help system, using a tool written in-house with our own software (a 4GL
called Cyberscreen), while maintaining the existing documentation for PDF
and print output. Initially my part in this was just to save the individual
chapters of each book as xml, producing a .xml and .css for each chapter,
plus make sure all the images were saved as gifs. As predicted by people on
this list, we keep hitting problems with the XML that Frame outputs. Last
month the problem was related to formatting that was applied using the
toolbar and not character and paragraph tags, this week it's the discovery
of duplicate IDs in the XML (see separate post).

4 months+ since the project started and I'm definitely past the point of
thinking we are doing the right thing. I'm currently devoting practically
all my time (as the sole technical writer in the company) to resolving the
formatting issues, and now there's the duplicate ID problem. Is it worth
trying to carry on using 70p579, or should I upgrade to 7.2? If I upgrade
will the extra XML features mean I can avoid using Structured Frame or is
there no way around it? I would rather bite the bullet now, than waste even
more time by plodding on hopelessly as I have been doing.

TIA

Karen
Technical Writer
Cyberscience Corp UK
http://www.cyberscience.com

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Duplicate IDs when Saving as XML

[Karen West]

As I have previously mentioned, I produce documentation using FrameMaker
70p579 and we are now attempting to get all of our documentation online in a
help system, using a tool written in-house with our own software (a 4GL
called Cyberscreen), while maintaining the existing documentation for PDF
and print output. Initially my part in this was just to save the individual
chapters of each book as xml, producing a .xml and .css for each chapter,
plus make sure all the images were saved as gifs. As predicted by people on
this list, we keep hitting problems with the XML; last month the problem was
related to formatting that was applied using the toolbar and not character
and paragraph tags, which I'm currently resolving.

The latest problem is that there are duplicate IDs in the XML. A Google has
hinted that this is as a result of copying and pasting within chapters. 

Here's an example of the problem from the guy who's developing the XML
parsing tool:

---

This is a link to a location labelled "Installation", i.e. the XML says



Install the client and server software - see 


"
Software Installation

", page 78
. 

Unfortunately there are SEVEN places in this document where the XML contains



and as "page 78" means nothing to my scripts they can't tell which of them
is intended.

--

Does anyone know a way of identifying these duplicate ids and more
importantly how to avoid creating them in the first place.

TIA

Karen West
Technical Writer
Cyberscience Corp UK
http://www.cyberscience.com

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