Re: Frame's future

2007-03-02 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 

On 3/2/07, John Sgammato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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And I have read enough about FrameMaker on the Mac. We know you're unhappy. 
Adobe knows you're unhappy. All God's chillun' must know you're unhappy.
You have expressed your feelings about it quite well enough, thank you. The 
well-organized Mac lobby has made its positionknown elsewhere as well. There 
are plenty of venues where you can rattle on about being abandoned by a large 
corporation that made a perfectly sensible business decision that you 
disapprove of.
Feel free to flame me offline, but please stop clogging up thousands of inboxes 
with the froth from relentlessly flogging this dead horse.

john



I totally disagree. Adobe is not quite a dead horse, and they needs
some serious flogging -- and advise.
My advise if for them to read Joe Sutter's 747 -- Creating the
World's First Jumbo Jet and Other Adventures from a Life in Aviation.
This is a book about setting your goal, knowing your stuff and
focusing on the project more than how much profit you are going to
make by the end of the year.

I would without a doubt say that FrameMaker could have been their 747.
And it still can. But Adobe must learn to look away from the petty
things, like minor losses in the Mac and *n*x environments and to take
on the world in similar way as Joe Sutter and his collegues did. I
believe Adobe is slowly discovering what they already have in
FrameMaker. They should study it more. I am sure they will find that
they are sitting on a chest of fortune here.
This good a software should be selling on most platforms, also Linux,
just because it is so much faster to work with than the software that
seems to scare Adobe off: TeX/LaTeX! (And now I am flogging them!)

Bodvar
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Re: Cross Refs, Structured FM, and WWP

2007-03-02 Thread Michael Müller-Hillebrand 
Marsha,

There is nothing bad about old workhorses...

* What are the names of the ID attributes in your title or sections
elements and what is the name of the IDREF attribute in your
CrtossReference element?

* There is no easy migration from WWP8.x to Webworks ePublisher!

* You should upgrade your FrameMaker to 7.2p159 (in two steps, see the
Adobe website) -- but this is not connected to your problem.

* If you already use structured FrameMaker, why don't you save as XML
and do the transformation using XSL? Setting up this process might be as
expensive as buying and setting up Webworks ePublisher.

Best wishes,

- Michael

Am 28.02.2007 17:35, Lofthouse Marsha-PT1816 schrieb/wrote:
 FM 7.2b128 - Structured
 WWP 8.6.6587.0 (Yes, I know it is old.)
 
 I sent the following query to the WebWorks list but got no replies. I'm
 hoping someone here can help...
 
 After searching through the WWP list archives, I notice that cross
 references were not (are not?) working with structured FrameMaker and
 ePub Pro. I am using structured FM and WWP 8 creating uncompiled
 HTML-based help (Webworks Help 4.0). I cannot get my cross references to
 work. 
 
 What I know / What I've done:
 * The cross references work in FrameMaker.
 * When I build the FM book, there are no unresolved cross
 references.
 * I've checked the mappings for my x-refs in WWP. They are either
 $paratext or step\ $paranumonly, depending on the context.
 * I've deleted all generated files and temp files and regenerated
 the help system.
 * I've removed all FM files from the project and re-added them and
 regenerated the help system.
 * My cross reference element is called CrossReference.
 
 What I don't know:
 * Should there be a CrossReference element listed on the Paragraph
 tab of the Mappings tab?
 * How can I get the x-refs to work?
 * Has this been fixed in the newest patch for ePubPro?
 
 Thanks in advance for your help,
 
 M (on digest)
 
 Marsha Lofthouse


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RE: Frame's future

2007-03-02 Thread Gordon McLean 
Sales figures will reveal the story.

What sells more, Photoshop or FrameMaker?

*yawns*

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Check Boxes and Radio Buttons in FM 7.2

2007-03-02 Thread Martin Brocks 
Hello,

we need to insert check boxes and radio buttons (working with FM 7.2) which are 
also supposed to be working after conversion to pdf. Does anybody have any 
experience with this?

Kind regards,

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Re: Check Boxes and Radio Buttons in FM 7.2

2007-03-02 Thread Art Campbell 

Work to do what? Are you trying to do a form, or send email, or
something else?
To get an idea of what's possible, I'd review www.microtype.com; I
think most framers would agree that Shlomo's the leading authority on
making active PDFs from FM.

Art

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Kind regards,

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How to create 'Word style' bookmarks

2007-03-02 Thread Massimiliano Lodi 
Hi,
 
I'm very new to FrameMaker and this is my problem: 
We have Word 2000 document with a lot of named bookmarks; with a VBA macro
we connect to an access DB and update all the bookmarks contents (the key is
the bookmark name), so that we can update the document and keep it aligned
with the DB.
Now we must start using FrameMaker 7.2, so that I'm trying to find the way
to do the same thing; till now I haven't find anything similar to Word
bookmarks
 
Any idea will be greatly appreciated! 
 
Thank you,
Max 

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RE: Structured Frame saving XML

2007-03-02 Thread Combs, Richard 
Trevor Nicholls wrote:
 
 Our source documents are in XML and we edit in structured 
 Frame. I have XSL processes running successfully on Open and 
 Save and I have no issues with the validity of the XML which 
 Frame is giving me. However I do have an issue with the 
 layout. Because our XML files are managed by a source control 
 system, I would like to minimize the differences between 
 revisions, and Frame's apparent perversity regarding 
 line-wrapping in particular is making this difficult.

Well, I'm just a dumb unstructured author, but I thought the whole point
of XML, SGML, etc., was to separate content from presentation. If line
wrapping isn't presentation, I don't know what is. 

Maybe I'm confused and don't understand your question. But what does the
line wrapping (or other page layout matters) have to do with the XML
file that you're source-controlling? 

Richard


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Configuring Paste

2007-03-02 Thread Zoe Lawson 
Greetings,

Sometime ago, someone posted a lovely little trick where you can change 
something, somewhere and configure your paste settings.

By default, if you copy something from Word and paste it into Frame, you get a 
Word object or something. I want to paste text. I edited a file somewhere, 
based off of suggestions from this list, and fixed it. Now I can't find the 
setting again. I'm having trouble finding my login for the FrameUsers site, so 
can't search the archives.

If someone who remembers this setting would be so kind as to post it again, I'd 
really appreciate it.

I'm now using FrameMaker 7.1p114, if that makes a difference.


Thanks!

Zoë




 

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RE: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-02 Thread David Creamer 
 It seems to me the question of How to get a new Mac
 version of FrameMaker? is resolved by the question
 How to get more Macintosh users using FrameMaker?
 
 I can't think of a way to solve that one quickly.
 Maybe we can turn this into a contest?

The first thing is that Apple has to start showing corporate IT departments
that supporting Macs is not that difficult (and won't endanger their job
security). I still run into much ignorance in IT departments when it comes
to using and supporting the Mac--even after 6 years of OS X with all its
UNIX underpinnings.

If there were more Macs in the corporate world, I suspect there would have
been a re-written Frame. However, even if the percentages changed over the
next few years, I doubt that Frame will be re-written for the Mac; I image
there will be a new (or improved) cross-platform option by then--either from
Adobe or another company.

David Creamer
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Re: Configuring Paste

2007-03-02 Thread Art Campbell 

You want the maker.ini file. I usually edit the copy in the FM install
directory.
Do a find for any of the paste flavors: TEXT, RTF, etc. to find the
appropriate line to edit.  Then just reorder the formats on the line
so your favorite is first.

Art

On 3/2/07, Zoe Lawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Greetings,

Sometime ago, someone posted a lovely little trick where you can change 
something, somewhere and configure your paste settings.

By default, if you copy something from Word and paste it into Frame, you get a 
Word object or something. I want to paste text. I edited a file somewhere, 
based off of suggestions from this list, and fixed it. Now I can't find the 
setting again. I'm having trouble finding my login for the FrameUsers site, so 
can't search the archives.

If someone who remembers this setting would be so kind as to post it again, I'd 
really appreciate it.

I'm now using FrameMaker 7.1p114, if that makes a difference.


Thanks!

Zoë




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RE: Configuring Paste

2007-03-02 Thread Phil Heron 
Zoë,

Open the maker.ini file (in \Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2).

Find this line:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF, TEXT

Change it to:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=TEXT, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF

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Sent: 02 March 2007 15:35
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Subject: Configuring Paste

Greetings,

Sometime ago, someone posted a lovely little trick where you can change 
something, somewhere and configure your paste settings.

By default, if you copy something from Word and paste it into Frame, you get a 
Word object or something. I want to paste text. I edited a file somewhere, 
based off of suggestions from this list, and fixed it. Now I can't find the 
setting again. I'm having trouble finding my login for the FrameUsers site, so 
can't search the archives.

If someone who remembers this setting would be so kind as to post it again, I'd 
really appreciate it.

I'm now using FrameMaker 7.1p114, if that makes a difference.


Thanks!

Zoë




 

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RE: Configuring Paste

2007-03-02 Thread Combs, Richard 
Zoe Lawson wrote:
 
 By default, if you copy something from Word and paste it into 
 Frame, you get a Word object or something. I want to paste 
 text. I edited a file somewhere, based off of suggestions 
 from this list, and fixed it. Now I can't find the setting 
 again. I'm having trouble finding my login for the FrameUsers 
 site, so can't search the archives.

You're looking for the ClipboardFormatsPriorities keyword in the
maker.ini file. Mine looks like this:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=TEXT, MIF, RTF, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB,
BMP 

HTH!
Richard


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RE: Structured Frame saving XML

2007-03-02 Thread Trevor Nicholls 
Well... suppose we have a source code fragment following this kind of model:

codelabel {
 word(parameter)
 long-word   (parameter,   parameter)
}/code

where the 'code' element has the #FIXED attributes 'formatted=yes' and
'xml:space=preserve' in the DTD.

We want to preserve the line breaks and internal spacing of this element.
This was sufficient to achieve this when we were using 100% XML tools like
Saxon and libxml. Evidently not for Frame. The first change I made was to
introduce a nl element into the DTD which our presentation process
recognizes as a marker for a newline, thus the above would be written in our
initial XML file as:

codelabel {nl /
 word(parameter)nl /
 long-word   (parameter,   parameter)nl /
}/code

The first problem is that if Frame's line breaking is so minded, the
internal spacing of this element will be subverted. That's because the line
breaking seems unconcerned about the number of following/preceding spaces.

The second problem is that when I try and recover the spacing within
Framemaker, even though the 'code' element is formatted in a fixed width
font as per the EDD rules, the alignment is neither roundtrippable nor (hard
to believe) is it even predictable at the character level (by which I mean
that words shift by extra fractions of a space as characters are inserted or
deleted).

Does this make sense?

Cheers
Trevor


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From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2007 4:28 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Structured Frame saving XML

Trevor Nicholls wrote:
 
 Our source documents are in XML and we edit in structured 
 Frame. I have XSL processes running successfully on Open and 
 Save and I have no issues with the validity of the XML which 
 Frame is giving me. However I do have an issue with the 
 layout. Because our XML files are managed by a source control 
 system, I would like to minimize the differences between 
 revisions, and Frame's apparent perversity regarding 
 line-wrapping in particular is making this difficult.

Well, I'm just a dumb unstructured author, but I thought the whole point
of XML, SGML, etc., was to separate content from presentation. If line
wrapping isn't presentation, I don't know what is. 

Maybe I'm confused and don't understand your question. But what does the
line wrapping (or other page layout matters) have to do with the XML
file that you're source-controlling? 

Richard


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R: How to create 'Word style' bookmarks

2007-03-02 Thread Massimiliano Lodi 
Hi Rick, 
Thank you very much for the quick answer! 
This is a Word document with 5 bookmarks; the bookmarks are the strings
delimited by brackets []; you can select them from the menu
Insert/Bookmarks.

From a VB macro you write something like this:

ActiveDocument.Bookmarks(ARTICOLO1).Select
Selection.TypeText New Text Value
ActiveDocument.Bookmarks.Add Name:=ARTICOLO1, Range:=Selection.Range

In this way it's possible to dinamically recreate the bookmark with the new
content. The bookmark is a part of the normal text, not an object like
elements, frames, etc.

Anyway I will look at framescript, is a good advice to start.
Bye
Max



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Inviato: venerdì 2 marzo 2007 15.25
A: Massimiliano Lodi
Oggetto: Re: How to create 'Word style' bookmarks

Hi Max,

FrameMaker doesn't have bookmarks. Can you send me a sample Word file that
has bookmarks so I can see how they work? You can use FrameScript to connect
FrameMaker to a database, so there may be a way to duplicate this
functionality in FrameMaker. Thanks.

Rick

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From: Massimiliano Lodi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:17 AM
Subject: How to create 'Word style' bookmarks


 Hi,

 I'm very new to FrameMaker and this is my problem:
 We have Word 2000 document with a lot of named bookmarks; with a VBA macro
 we connect to an access DB and update all the bookmarks contents (the key 
 is
 the bookmark name), so that we can update the document and keep it aligned
 with the DB.
 Now we must start using FrameMaker 7.2, so that I'm trying to find the way
 to do the same thing; till now I haven't find anything similar to Word
 bookmarks

 Any idea will be greatly appreciated!

 Thank you,
 Max

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Re: Structured Frame saving XML

2007-03-02 Thread Kenneth C. Benson 
From: Trevor Nicholls [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Because our XML files are managed by a source control
 system, I would like to minimize the differences between revisions, and
 Frame's apparent perversity regarding line-wrapping in particular is
making
 this difficult.

 Is it following any rules at all?
 Can we know what they are?
 Can we change them?


What perversity? Yes, text wrap does follow rules, you can know what the
rules are, and you can change them. Of course, you should expect the wrap to
change between revisions. I mean, you're changing the text, right? What you
should not expect is for the text wrap to change in text that has not been
revised. Unchanged text should wrap exactly the same way every time you flow
it in.

Most of the controls that affect text wrap are to be found in the Advanced
tab of Paragraph Designer. But, of course, things like indents and font size
will affect it as well.

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
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RE: Desired future features of FrameMaker

2007-03-02 Thread Chris Borokowski 

I agree, David. I'm thinking Adobe is taking a long
look at the future of FrameMaker and realizing that
some internal re-design may be needed to keep the code
flexible for modern (post-2000) OSs.

They're also probably wanting to do some things to the
interface to make it seem a bit slicker. Things like
the Draw tools, the menus like Conditional Text and
paragraph styles, originate in a time when specialized
interface made sense (although the keyboard shortcuts
are brilliant, like EMACS with a soul). They're going
to be looking toward reduced mouse-travel and
macro-enhancements, maybe even building a scripting
language into the program.

At least, this is what I hope.

What else would you experienced FrameMaker users like
to see in future re-designs of this program?

--- David Creamer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I imagine
 there will be a new (or improved) cross-platform
 option by then--either from
 Adobe or another company.


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Re: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-02 Thread Art Campbell 

There's also the probability that the CS suite porting is taking place
in the US Adobe development center but Frame is coded by Adobe India
-- so the Mac skill set may not be where the FM code is.

On 3/1/07, Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 09:38 -0700 1/3/07, Graeme R Forbes wrote:

Although MacOS X has UNIX underpinnings, the difficult
stuff relating to user interfaces, font access, output,
etc. is all exclusive to MacOS X

In other words, the difficult stuff has all been dealt with for GoLive, 
Illustrator, InDesign, etc. etc. So Adobe employs people who know how to get a 
document to print on a Mac, even under the formidably taxing OSX. It just chose 
not to put them to work on FM, because there was little demand for its previous, 
non-OSX, new-feature-thin FM upgrades. Terrific.

There may be other factors at work here. To create universal binaries that will 
work on OS X across MacIntel and PowerPC platforms, Adobe has to migrate their 
code base to XCode, the Apple development system. That process is, as I 
understand it, well under way for the CS 2 applications.

However, FrameMaker has a much older code base, so the effort to migrate it to 
XCode would be proportionately greater. For all I know, some parts of 
FrameMaker might be coded in Assembler for speed. If this is the case, moving 
such code to a multi-platform production base such as XCode would be all the 
more complex, and might involve a major re-coding effort. All this ups cost and 
reduces margins.

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R: How to create 'Word style' bookmarks

2007-03-02 Thread Massimiliano Lodi 
Hi Rick, and thanks again for your interest.

Our document is a technical manual translated in several languages; it
contains several technical terms requiring a very skilled translation. Each
document bookmark is named with the technical term; inside the DB we have a
table with all these technical terms and their translations.
With our macro we simply replace the content of the document 'bookmarks'
(technical term) with the string contained inside the DB in the right
language.

What about using user variables, like Fred Ridder suggested?
Is it possible to change their value using framescript or the FDK and force
a 'global' update?

Max

 

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Da: Rick Quatro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Inviato: venerdì 2 marzo 2007 16.27
A: Massimiliano Lodi
Oggetto: Re: How to create 'Word style' bookmarks

Hi Max,

I similar interface could be designed with FrameScript. Every paragraph has
a unique Id in FrameMaker, which you could use to programatically navigate
to bookmarked paragraphs. In fact, this unique Id is what is used when you
generate a table of contents in FrameMaker. When you Control+Alt click on a
TOC entry, there is a mechanism that navigates to the target paragraph.

One thing I don't understand about your process: What do you have stored in
the database and how does that relate to your bookmarks? Thanks.

Rick

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Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 10:06 AM
Subject: R: How to create 'Word style' bookmarks


Hi Rick,
Thank you very much for the quick answer!
This is a Word document with 5 bookmarks; the bookmarks are the strings
delimited by brackets []; you can select them from the menu
Insert/Bookmarks.

From a VB macro you write something like this:

ActiveDocument.Bookmarks(ARTICOLO1).Select
Selection.TypeText New Text Value
ActiveDocument.Bookmarks.Add Name:=ARTICOLO1, Range:=Selection.Range

In this way it's possible to dinamically recreate the bookmark with the new
content. The bookmark is a part of the normal text, not an object like
elements, frames, etc.

Anyway I will look at framescript, is a good advice to start.
Bye
Max



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Inviato: venerdì 2 marzo 2007 15.25
A: Massimiliano Lodi
Oggetto: Re: How to create 'Word style' bookmarks

Hi Max,

FrameMaker doesn't have bookmarks. Can you send me a sample Word file that
has bookmarks so I can see how they work? You can use FrameScript to connect
FrameMaker to a database, so there may be a way to duplicate this
functionality in FrameMaker. Thanks.

Rick

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Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:17 AM
Subject: How to create 'Word style' bookmarks


 Hi,

 I'm very new to FrameMaker and this is my problem:
 We have Word 2000 document with a lot of named bookmarks; with a VBA macro
 we connect to an access DB and update all the bookmarks contents (the key
 is
 the bookmark name), so that we can update the document and keep it aligned
 with the DB.
 Now we must start using FrameMaker 7.2, so that I'm trying to find the way
 to do the same thing; till now I haven't find anything similar to Word
 bookmarks

 Any idea will be greatly appreciated!

 Thank you,
 Max

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RE: Configuring Paste

2007-03-02 Thread Rene Stephenson 
Phil, Art, Richard, et al.:
   
  If the file format order is as listed, doesn't FM then paste even FM items as 
unformatted text? I'm wondering if there's a way to order those formats so that 
if it's FM source, it pastes FM but uses TEXT otherwise. Would the following 
work?
   
  ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, TEXT, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF

  ...or does FILE include the formatting, etc., that would be on the clipboard 
from other non-FM programs?
   
  Also, would this affect pasting graphics?
   
  (Sorry if those are stupid questions...)
   
  Thanks,
  Rene

Phil Heron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Zoë,

Open the maker.ini file (in \Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2).

Find this line:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF, TEXT

Change it to:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=TEXT, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF

Phil

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Subject: Configuring Paste

Greetings,

Sometime ago, someone posted a lovely little trick where you can change 
something, somewhere and configure your paste settings.

By default, if you copy something from Word and paste it into Frame, you get a 
Word object or something. I want to paste text. I edited a file somewhere, 
based off of suggestions from this list, and fixed it. Now I can't find the 
setting again. I'm having trouble finding my login for the FrameUsers site, so 
can't search the archives.

If someone who remembers this setting would be so kind as to post it again, I'd 
really appreciate it.

I'm now using FrameMaker 7.1p114, if that makes a difference.


Thanks!

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RE: Configuring Paste

2007-03-02 Thread Charles Beck 
FWIW, I would still recommend using a third-party format-stripper, such as 
HovText (which is a free utility) when copying and pasting from Word into 
Frame, especially.

The reason? The Paste as Text option in Frame does not necessarily strip out 
all hidden Word formatting relics, so you can still have problems, as we have 
discovered the hard way. HovText does a superb job of making sure *all* you get 
is the text you want.

HTH,
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Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 12:50 PM
To: framers
Subject: RE: Configuring Paste

Phil, Art, Richard, et al.:
   
  If the file format order is as listed, doesn't FM then paste even FM items as 
unformatted text? I'm wondering if there's a way to order those formats so that 
if it's FM source, it pastes FM but uses TEXT otherwise. Would the following 
work?
   
  ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, TEXT, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF

  ...or does FILE include the formatting, etc., that would be on the clipboard 
from other non-FM programs?
   
  Also, would this affect pasting graphics?
   
  (Sorry if those are stupid questions...)
   
  Thanks,
  Rene

Phil Heron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Zoë,

Open the maker.ini file (in \Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2).

Find this line:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF, TEXT

Change it to:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=TEXT, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF

Phil

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Sent: 02 March 2007 15:35
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Configuring Paste

Greetings,

Sometime ago, someone posted a lovely little trick where you can change 
something, somewhere and configure your paste settings.

By default, if you copy something from Word and paste it into Frame, you get a 
Word object or something. I want to paste text. I edited a file somewhere, 
based off of suggestions from this list, and fixed it. Now I can't find the 
setting again. I'm having trouble finding my login for the FrameUsers site, so 
can't search the archives.

If someone who remembers this setting would be so kind as to post it again, I'd 
really appreciate it.

I'm now using FrameMaker 7.1p114, if that makes a difference.


Thanks!

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RE: Configuring Paste

2007-03-02 Thread Fred Ridder 

Notice that the maker.ini item starts with the word clipboard,
which refers to the Windows clipboard. FrameMaker only uses
the Windows clipboard when pasting content that was copied
in another application. FrameMaker-to-FrameMaker copy/pasting
uses an internal mechanism that does not go through the
Windows clipboard. Internal copy/pasting always comes with
the formatting intact, which I actually find annoying about
half the time (for examle, when I'm making a new heading
from a phrase I copied from the text).

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
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Intel
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To: framers framers@frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Configuring Paste
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:50:25 -0800 (PST)

Phil, Art, Richard, et al.:

  If the file format order is as listed, doesn't FM then paste even FM 
items as unformatted text? I'm wondering if there's a way to order those 
formats so that if it's FM source, it pastes FM but uses TEXT otherwise. 
Would the following work?


  ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, TEXT, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, 
RTF


  ...or does FILE include the formatting, etc., that would be on the 
clipboard from other non-FM programs?


  Also, would this affect pasting graphics?

  (Sorry if those are stupid questions...)

  Thanks,
  Rene

Phil Heron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Zoë,

Open the maker.ini file (in \Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2).

Find this line:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF, TEXT

Change it to:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=TEXT, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF

Phil

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
Of Zoe Lawson

Sent: 02 March 2007 15:35
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Configuring Paste

Greetings,

Sometime ago, someone posted a lovely little trick where you can change 
something, somewhere and configure your paste settings.


By default, if you copy something from Word and paste it into Frame, you 
get a Word object or something. I want to paste text. I edited a file 
somewhere, based off of suggestions from this list, and fixed it. Now I 
can't find the setting again. I'm having trouble finding my login for the 
FrameUsers site, so can't search the archives.


If someone who remembers this setting would be so kind as to post it again, 
I'd really appreciate it.


I'm now using FrameMaker 7.1p114, if that makes a difference.


Thanks!

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Re: How to create 'Word style' bookmarks

2007-03-02 Thread Mike Wickham 
1. It sounds like you just need to create a user variable for each term and 
insert the variables at the appropriate spots in your document.


2. Then, make several other template documents (one for each language) that 
have the same user variables, but define them with the translated 
definitions.


3. To replace the content in the main document, simply be sure the 
translation template is also open, then, in the main document, choose File 
Import Formats. Select the import template and import the user variables 
from the template. It will replace the content in a flash.


You don't need Framescript or the FDK for something so simple in FrameMaker.

Another method would be to put all the translations in your document, and 
conditionalize them by language. For example, add text that says Hello Hola 
Bonjour. Give each word the appropriate condition for English, Spanish, and 
French. Then, hiding the inappropriate conditions-- hiding Spanish and 
French conditions for the English version, for example-- would display only 
Hello.


Mike Wickham

- Original Message - 
Our document is a technical manual translated in several languages; it

contains several technical terms requiring a very skilled translation. Each
document bookmark is named with the technical term; inside the DB we have a
table with all these technical terms and their translations.
With our macro we simply replace the content of the document 'bookmarks'
(technical term) with the string contained inside the DB in the right
language.

What about using user variables, like Fred Ridder suggested?
Is it possible to change their value using framescript or the FDK and force
a 'global' update?

Max



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Re: How to create 'Word style' bookmarks

2007-03-02 Thread Rick Quatro 

Hi Mike,

Based on my understanding of what Max is trying to do, the FrameScript or 
FDK portion would be used to lookup the correct translation stored in a 
database.


Rick

1. It sounds like you just need to create a user variable for each term 
and insert the variables at the appropriate spots in your document.


2. Then, make several other template documents (one for each language) 
that have the same user variables, but define them with the translated 
definitions.


3. To replace the content in the main document, simply be sure the 
translation template is also open, then, in the main document, choose 
File Import Formats. Select the import template and import the user 
variables from the template. It will replace the content in a flash.


You don't need Framescript or the FDK for something so simple in 
FrameMaker.


Another method would be to put all the translations in your document, and 
conditionalize them by language. For example, add text that says Hello 
Hola Bonjour. Give each word the appropriate condition for English, 
Spanish, and French. Then, hiding the inappropriate conditions-- hiding 
Spanish and French conditions for the English version, for example-- would 
display only Hello.


Mike Wickham


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RE: Structured Frame saving XML

2007-03-02 Thread Matt Sullivan 
Regarding the internal spacing and line breaks within the XML...

The description I've always lived by is that Frame creates equivalent, not
exact XML (or SGML). I recall a few posts by Dan E relating to things that
change like entity names and XRef Id's.

Have you tried using the files in your Structured App (R/W Rules, DTD  EDD)
to tighten up the export to XML?

After that, possibly an FDK fix, or script(s) to normalize the file with
your specific XML requirements?

 

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Behalf Of Trevor Nicholls
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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Structured Frame saving XML

Well... suppose we have a source code fragment following this kind of model:

codelabel {
 word(parameter)
 long-word   (parameter,   parameter)
}/code

where the 'code' element has the #FIXED attributes 'formatted=yes' and
'xml:space=preserve' in the DTD.

We want to preserve the line breaks and internal spacing of this element.
This was sufficient to achieve this when we were using 100% XML tools like
Saxon and libxml. Evidently not for Frame. The first change I made was to
introduce a nl element into the DTD which our presentation process
recognizes as a marker for a newline, thus the above would be written in our
initial XML file as:

codelabel {nl /
 word(parameter)nl /
 long-word   (parameter,   parameter)nl /
}/code

The first problem is that if Frame's line breaking is so minded, the
internal spacing of this element will be subverted. That's because the line
breaking seems unconcerned about the number of following/preceding spaces.

The second problem is that when I try and recover the spacing within
Framemaker, even though the 'code' element is formatted in a fixed width
font as per the EDD rules, the alignment is neither roundtrippable nor (hard
to believe) is it even predictable at the character level (by which I mean
that words shift by extra fractions of a space as characters are inserted or
deleted).

Does this make sense?

Cheers
Trevor


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Subject: RE: Structured Frame saving XML

Trevor Nicholls wrote:
 
 Our source documents are in XML and we edit in structured 
 Frame. I have XSL processes running successfully on Open and 
 Save and I have no issues with the validity of the XML which 
 Frame is giving me. However I do have an issue with the 
 layout. Because our XML files are managed by a source control 
 system, I would like to minimize the differences between 
 revisions, and Frame's apparent perversity regarding 
 line-wrapping in particular is making this difficult.

Well, I'm just a dumb unstructured author, but I thought the whole point
of XML, SGML, etc., was to separate content from presentation. If line
wrapping isn't presentation, I don't know what is. 

Maybe I'm confused and don't understand your question. But what does the
line wrapping (or other page layout matters) have to do with the XML
file that you're source-controlling? 

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Re: How to create 'Word style' bookmarks

2007-03-02 Thread Massimiliano Lodi 
Hi Mike, 
thanks for your interesting answer.
 1. It sounds like you just need to create a user variable for each  term
and insert the variables at the appropriate spots in your document.

You're right, but someway to connect directly to database would be much
easier than creating and maintening templates for each language or make the
conditional assignment that you mention.

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Re: How to create 'Word style' bookmarks

2007-03-02 Thread Peter Gold 

Hi, Massimiliano:

I believe that FrameMaker has the ability to connect to a database via 
the ODBC standard (Open Data Base Connectivity.) Try searching 
FrameMaker's online help, Google, and the knowledgebase at Adobe.com for 
something like ODBC FrameMaker.


Also, try a disk search on your computer; there may be an ODBC plugin 
somewhere in the FrameMaker installation directory. If not, you may need 
to rerun the FrameMaker installer to choose ODBC. I don't know anything 
more than this faint memory, but perhaps someone on this list, or the 
other FrameMaker forums at Adobe.com might offer additional information.


HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Massimiliano Lodi wrote:
Hi Mike, 
thanks for your interesting answer.
  

1. It sounds like you just need to create a user variable for each  term


and insert the variables at the appropriate spots in your document.

You're right, but someway to connect directly to database would be much
easier than creating and maintening templates for each language or make the
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Max


  


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How do you store your information?

2007-03-02 Thread Marcus Carr 
Gordon McLean wrote:

> As you rightly point out, FM is not a content management product. I
> am fully aware of that fact, but unfortunately it seems my
> predecessors either weren't, or (as is more likely) hadn't managed to
> take the next step forward towards 'better' single sourcing. I'm
> eternally grateful that I inherited a well formed EDD though!

Everyone is aware of it, but workarounds exist that make it enticing to 
try to manage data in FrameMaker, so I'm never surprised that anyone 
takes that path. This list regularly contains clever ideas for managing 
data fragments, but ultimately those approaches probably don't scale as 
well as a more abstracted approach. A good EDD gets you a long way 
forward though.

> As for breaking up the files into XML chunks, I have the level of 
> granularity pretty much sorted, content and re-use maps in place, and
> the only thing that is stopping me hacking it all up is covered by
> this sentence of yours:
> 
> "Then I'd get a programmer to write something that built a
> consolidated document for the purpose of publishing."
> 
> When you say "consolidated document" I'm presuming that that is an
> XML file that, more or less, equates to a chapter (for example)? I'm
> also presuming that, once such a document is in place, I can use FM
> to handle book files (which don't contain any content), and generated
> lists (TOC, IX etc) as per usual.

Yes, it would be XML and it may well be a chapter. The issue is that you 
have the requirement for two levels of granularity - one for maintaining 
and reusing data and another for publishing it.

All of your TOCs and generated lists would be done as usual. There would 
still be issues to consider - for instance, if you use change bars you 
may need to come up with a different approach. Indexes may also be a bit 
more difficult, as it's hard to index fragments independent of their 
final configuration, and I'm sure you'd stumble into other small issues, 
but on the whole, it shouldn't hurt too much.

> We have SVN in place here, so storing and maintaining the XML files
> isn't too much of a hassle (it's just a glorified file system,
> innit!). So I guess I "just" need to crack that middle stage. The
> techie in me, naturally, baulks at the idea of asking a programmer
> for help.. ;-)

Creating a consolidated XML file likely wouldn't be difficult - if you 
strip off the XML declarations from the fragments and dump the contents 
into some sort of container element, you'd probably be most of the way 
there. The programmer needn't remain involved - all you need is the code 
and the means to run it. It could probably be a simple Ant script or a 
batch file that grabs the usage map for a publication and outputs the 
chapter files.

> Thanks for the clarification. I think I had the basic ideas in my
> head but without hearing this I was fearly of venturing off down a
> darkened path.

It's not that dark once your eyes adjust, and you're right in the centre 
of the path. None of this stuff involves any big buy-in or irreversible 
action, so I'd prototype the whole process from start to finish if I was 
you. You might find that it's all a lot less complicated than you had 
anticipated. Feel free to contact me off-list if you're getting stuck on 
the details.

Good luck!


Marcus

Spelling Checker not checking table titles

2007-03-02 Thread rebecca officer 
Hmmm. Have you tried marking all paragraphs for rechecking and then
trying again? (to get to that option, click the Dictionaries button in
the spellchecker dialog box).

I'm on FM7.0, and it checks table titles.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>> "Mark Southee"  1/03/07 23:29 >>>
Thanks for that Rebecca, but the language is set to US English.

Cheers

Mark 

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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Mark Southee
Subject: Re: Spelling Checker not checking table titles

Look at the paragraph tag for your title text and check if the
language
is set to "none". That stops the spellchecker from checking them.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>> "Mark Southee"  03/01/07 9:41 PM >>>
Have just noticed (and reproduced) that the spelling checker is not
including table titles (Frame 7.2). Anyone else seen this, and is
there
a work around?

Cheers

Mark

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Frame's future

2007-03-02 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 
On 3/2/07, John Sgammato  wrote:
--- snipped ---
> And I have read enough about FrameMaker on the Mac. We know you're unhappy. 
> Adobe knows you're unhappy. All God's chillun' must know you're unhappy.
> You have expressed your feelings about it quite well enough, thank you. The 
> well-organized Mac lobby has made its positionknown elsewhere as well. There 
> are plenty of venues where you can rattle on about being abandoned by a large 
> corporation that made a perfectly sensible business decision that you 
> disapprove of.
> Feel free to flame me offline, but please stop clogging up thousands of 
> inboxes with the froth from relentlessly flogging this dead horse.
>
> john
>

I totally disagree. Adobe is not quite a dead horse, and they needs
some serious flogging -- and advise.
My advise if for them to read Joe Sutter's "747 -- Creating the
World's First Jumbo Jet and Other Adventures from a Life in Aviation".
This is a book about setting your goal, knowing your stuff and
focusing on the project more than how much profit you are going to
make by the end of the year.

I would without a doubt say that FrameMaker could have been their 747.
And it still can. But Adobe must learn to look away from the petty
things, like minor losses in the Mac and *n*x environments and to take
on the world in similar way as Joe Sutter and his collegues did. I
believe Adobe is slowly discovering what they already have in
FrameMaker. They should study it more. I am sure they will find that
they are sitting on a chest of fortune here.
This good a software should be selling on most platforms, also Linux,
just because it is so much faster to work with than the software that
seems to scare Adobe off: TeX/LaTeX! (And now I am flogging them!)

Bodvar

Frame's future

2007-03-02 Thread Steve Rickaby 
At 09:21 + 2/3/07, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:

>My advise if for them to read Joe Sutter's "747 -- Creating the
>World's First Jumbo Jet and Other Adventures from a Life in Aviation".

Thanks, Bodvar. And when you've finished that, try Tracey Kidder's 'The Soul of 
a New Machine', about how Data General played catch-up with DEC in the early 
days of sixteen-bit minicomputers.

Moral: If you want to achieve the impossible, make sure that no-one involved 
believes that it *is* impossible.

I personally regret that what I thought at least started out as a relevant 
technical discussion has been perceived as flogging a dead horse. I also run a 
mixed shop of Macs and PCs, and operate a horses-for-courses platform policy. 
Over the years I have used FrameMaker on Unix, Mac and PC. There is nothing 
wrong with FrameMaker on PC, per se, it's just that all that Windows nastiness 
spoils it. And I mean, *really* spoils it.

We do indeed have out own platform for this sort of discussion, and I will 
attempt to refrain from platform specifics in future.

-- 
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Cross Refs, Structured FM, and WWP

2007-03-02 Thread Michael Müller-Hillebrand 
Marsha,

There is nothing bad about old workhorses...

* What are the names of the ID attributes in your title or sections
elements and what is the name of the IDREF attribute in your
CrtossReference element?

* There is no easy migration from WWP8.x to Webworks ePublisher!

* You should upgrade your FrameMaker to 7.2p159 (in two steps, see the
Adobe website) -- but this is not connected to your problem.

* If you already use structured FrameMaker, why don't you save as XML
and do the transformation using XSL? Setting up this process might be as
expensive as buying and setting up Webworks ePublisher.

Best wishes,

- Michael

Am 28.02.2007 17:35, Lofthouse Marsha-PT1816 schrieb/wrote:
> FM 7.2b128 - Structured
> WWP 8.6.6587.0 (Yes, I know it is old.)
> 
> I sent the following query to the WebWorks list but got no replies. I'm
> hoping someone here can help...
> 
> After searching through the WWP list archives, I notice that cross
> references were not (are not?) working with structured FrameMaker and
> ePub Pro. I am using structured FM and WWP 8 creating uncompiled
> HTML-based help (Webworks Help 4.0). I cannot get my cross references to
> work. 
> 
> What I know / What I've done:
> * The cross references work in FrameMaker.
> * When I build the FM book, there are no unresolved cross
> references.
> * I've checked the mappings for my x-refs in WWP. They are either
> <$paratext> or step\ <$paranumonly>, depending on the context.
> * I've deleted all generated files and temp files and regenerated
> the help system.
> * I've removed all FM files from the project and re-added them and
> regenerated the help system.
> * My cross reference element is called CrossReference.
> 
> What I don't know:
> * Should there be a CrossReference element listed on the Paragraph
> tab of the Mappings tab?
> * How can I get the x-refs to work?
> * Has this been fixed in the newest patch for ePubPro?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help,
> 
> M (on digest)
> 
> Marsha Lofthouse


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Frame's future

2007-03-02 Thread Gordon McLean 
Sales figures will reveal the story.

What sells more, Photoshop or FrameMaker?

*yawns*

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Check Boxes and Radio Buttons in FM 7.2

2007-03-02 Thread Martin Brocks 
Hello,

we need to insert check boxes and radio buttons (working with FM 7.2) which are 
also supposed to be working after conversion to pdf. Does anybody have any 
experience with this?

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Check Boxes and Radio Buttons in FM 7.2

2007-03-02 Thread Art Campbell 
"Work" to do what? Are you trying to do a form, or send email, or
something else?
To get an idea of what's possible, I'd review www.microtype.com; I
think most framers would agree that Shlomo's the leading authority on
making active PDFs from FM.

Art

On 3/2/07, Martin Brocks  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> we need to insert check boxes and radio buttons (working with FM 7.2) which 
> are also supposed to be working after conversion to pdf. Does anybody have 
> any experience with this?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Martin Brocks
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How to create 'Word style' bookmarks

2007-03-02 Thread Massimiliano Lodi 
Hi,

I'm very new to FrameMaker and this is my problem: 
We have Word 2000 document with a lot of named bookmarks; with a VBA macro
we connect to an access DB and update all the bookmarks contents (the key is
the bookmark name), so that we can update the document and keep it aligned
with the DB.
Now we must start using FrameMaker 7.2, so that I'm trying to find the way
to do the same thing; till now I haven't find anything similar to Word
bookmarks

Any idea will be greatly appreciated! 

Thank you,
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Structured Frame saving XML

2007-03-02 Thread Combs, Richard 
Trevor Nicholls wrote:

> Our source documents are in XML and we edit in structured 
> Frame. I have XSL processes running successfully on Open and 
> Save and I have no issues with the validity of the XML which 
> Frame is giving me. However I do have an issue with the 
> layout. Because our XML files are managed by a source control 
> system, I would like to minimize the differences between 
> revisions, and Frame's apparent perversity regarding 
> line-wrapping in particular is making this difficult.

Well, I'm just a dumb unstructured author, but I thought the whole point
of XML, SGML, etc., was to separate content from presentation. If line
wrapping isn't presentation, I don't know what is. 

Maybe I'm confused and don't understand your question. But what does the
line wrapping (or other page layout matters) have to do with the XML
file that you're source-controlling? 

Richard


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Configuring Paste

2007-03-02 Thread Zoe Lawson 
Greetings,

Sometime ago, someone posted a lovely little trick where you can change 
something, somewhere and configure your paste settings.

By default, if you copy something from Word and paste it into Frame, you get a 
Word object or something. I want to paste text. I edited a file somewhere, 
based off of suggestions from this list, and fixed it. Now I can't find the 
setting again. I'm having trouble finding my login for the FrameUsers site, so 
can't search the archives.

If someone who remembers this setting would be so kind as to post it again, I'd 
really appreciate it.

I'm now using FrameMaker 7.1p114, if that makes a difference.


Thanks!

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Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-02 Thread David Creamer 
> It seems to me the question of "How to get a new Mac
> version of FrameMaker?" is resolved by the question
> "How to get more Macintosh users using FrameMaker?"
> 
> I can't think of a way to solve that one quickly.
> Maybe we can turn this into a contest?

The first thing is that Apple has to start showing corporate IT departments
that supporting Macs is not that difficult (and won't endanger their job
security). I still run into much ignorance in IT departments when it comes
to using and supporting the Mac--even after 6 years of OS X with all its
UNIX underpinnings.

If there were more Macs in the corporate world, I suspect there would have
been a re-written Frame. However, even if the percentages changed over the
next few years, I doubt that Frame will be re-written for the Mac; I image
there will be a new (or improved) cross-platform option by then--either from
Adobe or another company.

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Configuring Paste

2007-03-02 Thread Art Campbell 
You want the maker.ini file. I usually edit the copy in the FM install
directory.
Do a "find" for any of the paste flavors: TEXT, RTF, etc. to find the
appropriate line to edit.  Then just reorder the formats on the line
so your favorite is first.

Art

On 3/2/07, Zoe Lawson  wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Sometime ago, someone posted a lovely little trick where you can change 
> something, somewhere and configure your paste settings.
>
> By default, if you copy something from Word and paste it into Frame, you get 
> a Word object or something. I want to paste text. I edited a file somewhere, 
> based off of suggestions from this list, and fixed it. Now I can't find the 
> setting again. I'm having trouble finding my login for the FrameUsers site, 
> so can't search the archives.
>
> If someone who remembers this setting would be so kind as to post it again, 
> I'd really appreciate it.
>
> I'm now using FrameMaker 7.1p114, if that makes a difference.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Zo?
>
>

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Structured Frame Saving XML

2007-03-02 Thread Daniel Emory 
What, exactly, do you mean by Frame's "perversity" in
line wrapping? What, exactly, are you comparing it
with on the XML side? 

Frame's line wrapping actions are dependent upon
settings in the paragraph designer, including: 

* Under Advanced (automatic hyphenation)
* Under Basic (indents).

--- Trevor Nicholls  wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Our source documents are in XML and we edit in
> structured Frame. I have XSL
> processes running successfully on Open and Save and
> I have no issues with
> the validity of the XML which Frame is giving me.
> However I do have an issue
> with the layout. Because our XML files are managed
> by a source control
> system, I would like to minimize the differences
> between revisions, and
> Frame's apparent perversity regarding line-wrapping
> in particular is making
> this difficult.
> 
> Is it following any rules at all?
> Can we know what they are?
> Can we change them?
> 
> Cheers
> Trevor


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Configuring Paste

2007-03-02 Thread Phil Heron 
Zo?,

Open the maker.ini file (in \Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2).

Find this line:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF, TEXT

Change it to:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=TEXT, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF

Phil

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Sent: 02 March 2007 15:35
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Configuring Paste

Greetings,

Sometime ago, someone posted a lovely little trick where you can change 
something, somewhere and configure your paste settings.

By default, if you copy something from Word and paste it into Frame, you get a 
Word object or something. I want to paste text. I edited a file somewhere, 
based off of suggestions from this list, and fixed it. Now I can't find the 
setting again. I'm having trouble finding my login for the FrameUsers site, so 
can't search the archives.

If someone who remembers this setting would be so kind as to post it again, I'd 
really appreciate it.

I'm now using FrameMaker 7.1p114, if that makes a difference.


Thanks!

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Configuring Paste

2007-03-02 Thread Combs, Richard 
Zoe Lawson wrote:

> By default, if you copy something from Word and paste it into 
> Frame, you get a Word object or something. I want to paste 
> text. I edited a file somewhere, based off of suggestions 
> from this list, and fixed it. Now I can't find the setting 
> again. I'm having trouble finding my login for the FrameUsers 
> site, so can't search the archives.

You're looking for the ClipboardFormatsPriorities keyword in the
maker.ini file. Mine looks like this:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=TEXT, MIF, RTF, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB,
BMP 

HTH!
Richard


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Configuring Paste

2007-03-02 Thread Zoe Lawson 
Thanks to Richard and Art for getting back to me so fast.

This message is staying in my inbox this time. 

I thought it was in the maker.ini file, but searching for Edit or Paste didn't 
work. ;-)

Thanks again!

Zo?


You're looking for the ClipboardFormatsPriorities keyword in the
maker.ini file. Mine looks like this:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=TEXT, MIF, RTF, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB,
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Structured Frame saving XML

2007-03-02 Thread Andrew Avis 
> Our source documents are in XML and we edit in structured 
> Frame. I have XSL processes running successfully on Open and 
> Save and I have no issues with the validity of the XML which 
> Frame is giving me. However I do have an issue with the 
> layout. Because our XML files are managed by a source control 
> system, I would like to minimize the differences between 
> revisions, and Frame's apparent perversity regarding 
> line-wrapping in particular is making this difficult.
> 
> Is it following any rules at all?
> Can we know what they are?
> Can we change them?

Hi Trevor, look at the "line break" and "preserve line breaks" rules in the
Structure Application Developer's Guide manual for your read/write rules
file. 

Drew Avis - Technical Writer
QNX Software Systems Ltd.
Ottawa, Ontario

R: How to create 'Word style' bookmarks

2007-03-02 Thread Massimiliano Lodi 
Hi Rick, 
Thank you very much for the quick answer! 
This is a Word document with 5 bookmarks; the bookmarks are the strings
delimited by brackets []; you can select them from the menu
Insert/Bookmarks.

Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-02 Thread Sam Beard 
Scott,

   This isn't exactly true. Microsoft CHOSE not to export IE for Mac OS
X. This was done partly because Apple has their own browser, Safari, and
partly because of the rise in popularity of Firefox, Opera, Camino, and
others. The last version of IE for Mac was running quite well on Mac OS
X, but it was also the equivalent of at least one version behind Windows
IE, IIRC. Safari is generally well-regarded, as are the others listed
above. And, with MS pushing IE's "integration" into the Windows OS,
there wasn't really a desire on their part to continue work on something
without much tangible return. IE for Windows gets stuck into the Windows
OS in such a way that it's VERY difficult to fully disentangle it from
the OS and to fully use another browser instead. I've heard of many
times where someone THINKS they've disabled IE as a default browser, but
then something happens that launches IE instead of something else. As
always, YMMV greatly from this.

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
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OI Analytical
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From: framers-bounces+sbeard=oico@lists.frameusers.com
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Of quills at airmail.net
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:49 PM
To: Paul Findon; Frame Users; Free Framers List; Steve Rickaby
Subject: Re: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

Considering that Microsoft couldn't seem to port Internet Explorer to 
OS X, it must be insurmountable.

Scott

At 5:12 PM + 3/1/07, Paul Findon wrote:
>Steve Rickaby wrote:
>
>>  >"Although MacOS X has UNIX underpinnings, the difficult
>>>stuff relating to user interfaces, font access, output,
>>>etc. is all exclusive to MacOS X"
>>>
>>>In other words, the difficult stuff has all been dealt with for 
>>>GoLive, Illustrator, InDesign, etc. etc. So Adobe employs people 
>>>who know how to get a document to print on a Mac, even under the 
>>>formidably taxing OSX. It just chose not to put them to work on 
>>>FM, because there was little demand for its previous, non-OSX, 
>>>new-feature-thin FM upgrades. Terrific.
>>
>>There may be other factors at work here. To create universal 
>>binaries that will work on OS X across MacIntel and PowerPC 
>>platforms, Adobe has to migrate their code base to XCode, the Apple 
>>development system. That process is, as I understand it, well under 
>>way for the CS 2 applications.
>>
>>However, FrameMaker has a much older code base, so the effort to 
>>migrate it to XCode would be proportionately greater. For all I 
>>know, some parts of FrameMaker might be coded in Assembler for 
>>speed. If this is the case, moving such code to a multi-platform 
>>production base such as XCode would be all the more complex, and 
>>might involve a major re-coding effort. All this ups cost and 
>>reduces margins.
>
>Who's side are you on, Steve ;-)
>
>In the early '90s, I made many a manual with Adobe FrameMaker 3.0 
>for NeXTSTEP.
>
>Hang on. Aren't NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X both built on BSD?
>
>Hang on. Aren't NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X both built on the Mach kernel?
>
>Hang on. Aren't NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X both object-orientated
environments?
>
>Hang on. Don't NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X both support Objective-C?
>
>Hang on. NeXTSTEP used Display PostScript, Mac OS X uses PDF. Isn't 
>PDF based on PostScript?
>
>Hang on. Don't NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X both support Type 1 fonts?
>
>Hang on. Weren't NeXTSTEP app developers some of the first to port 
>their apps to Mac OS X?
>
>How difficult could it be?
>
>Paul
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Structured Frame saving XML

2007-03-02 Thread Kenneth C. Benson 
From: "Trevor Nicholls" 

> Because our XML files are managed by a source control
> system, I would like to minimize the differences between revisions, and
> Frame's apparent perversity regarding line-wrapping in particular is
making
> this difficult.
>
> Is it following any rules at all?
> Can we know what they are?
> Can we change them?


What perversity? Yes, text wrap does follow rules, you can know what the
rules are, and you can change them. Of course, you should expect the wrap to
change between revisions. I mean, you're changing the text, right? What you
should not expect is for the text wrap to change in text that has not been
revised. Unchanged text should wrap exactly the same way every time you flow
it in.

Most of the controls that affect text wrap are to be found in the Advanced
tab of Paragraph Designer. But, of course, things like indents and font size
will affect it as well.

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
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Desired future features of FrameMaker

2007-03-02 Thread Chris Borokowski 

I agree, David. I'm thinking Adobe is taking a long
look at the future of FrameMaker and realizing that
some internal re-design may be needed to keep the code
flexible for modern (post-2000) OSs.

They're also probably wanting to do some things to the
interface to make it seem a bit slicker. Things like
the Draw tools, the menus like Conditional Text and
paragraph styles, originate in a time when specialized
interface made sense (although the keyboard shortcuts
are brilliant, like EMACS with a soul). They're going
to be looking toward reduced mouse-travel and
macro-enhancements, maybe even building a scripting
language into the program.

At least, this is what I hope.

What else would you experienced FrameMaker users like
to see in future re-designs of this program?

--- David Creamer 
wrote:

> I imagine
> there will be a new (or improved) cross-platform
> option by then--either from
> Adobe or another company.


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Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-02 Thread Art Campbell 
There's also the probability that the CS suite porting is taking place
in the US Adobe development center but Frame is coded by Adobe India
-- so the Mac skill set may not be where the FM code is.

On 3/1/07, Steve Rickaby  wrote:
> At 09:38 -0700 1/3/07, Graeme R Forbes wrote:
>
> >"Although MacOS X has UNIX underpinnings, the difficult
> >stuff relating to user interfaces, font access, output,
> >etc. is all exclusive to MacOS X"
> >
> >In other words, the difficult stuff has all been dealt with for GoLive, 
> >Illustrator, InDesign, etc. etc. So Adobe employs people who know how to get 
> >a document to print on a Mac, even under the formidably taxing OSX. It just 
> >chose not to put them to work on FM, because there was little demand for its 
> >previous, non-OSX, new-feature-thin FM upgrades. Terrific.
>
> There may be other factors at work here. To create universal binaries that 
> will work on OS X across MacIntel and PowerPC platforms, Adobe has to migrate 
> their code base to XCode, the Apple development system. That process is, as I 
> understand it, well under way for the CS 2 applications.
>
> However, FrameMaker has a much older code base, so the effort to migrate it 
> to XCode would be proportionately greater. For all I know, some parts of 
> FrameMaker might be coded in Assembler for speed. If this is the case, moving 
> such code to a multi-platform production base such as XCode would be all the 
> more complex, and might involve a major re-coding effort. All this ups cost 
> and reduces margins.
>
> --
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R: How to create 'Word style' bookmarks

2007-03-02 Thread Massimiliano Lodi 
Hi Rick, and thanks again for your interest.

Our document is a technical manual translated in several languages; it
contains several technical terms requiring a very skilled translation. Each
document bookmark is named with the technical term; inside the DB we have a
table with all these technical terms and their translations.
With our macro we simply replace the content of the document 'bookmarks'
(technical term) with the string contained inside the DB in the right
language.

What about using user variables, like Fred Ridder suggested?
Is it possible to change their value using framescript or the FDK and force
a 'global' update?

Max



-Messaggio originale-
Da: Rick Quatro [mailto:frameexpert at truevine.net] 
Inviato: venerd? 2 marzo 2007 16.27
A: Massimiliano Lodi
Oggetto: Re: How to create 'Word style' bookmarks

Hi Max,

I similar interface could be designed with FrameScript. Every paragraph has
a unique Id in FrameMaker, which you could use to programatically navigate
to "bookmarked" paragraphs. In fact, this unique Id is what is used when you
generate a table of contents in FrameMaker. When you Control+Alt click on a
TOC entry, there is a mechanism that navigates to the target paragraph.

One thing I don't understand about your process: What do you have stored in
the database and how does that relate to your bookmarks? Thanks.

Rick

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From: "Massimiliano Lodi" 
To: "'Rick Quatro'" 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 10:06 AM
Subject: R: How to create 'Word style' bookmarks


Hi Rick,
Thank you very much for the quick answer!
This is a Word document with 5 bookmarks; the bookmarks are the strings
delimited by brackets []; you can select them from the menu
Insert/Bookmarks.

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Configuring Paste

2007-03-02 Thread Charles Beck 
FWIW, I would still recommend using a third-party format-stripper, such as 
HovText (which is a free utility) when copying and pasting from Word into 
Frame, especially.

The reason? The "Paste as Text" option in Frame does not necessarily strip out 
all hidden Word formatting relics, so you can still have problems, as we have 
discovered the hard way. HovText does a superb job of making sure *all* you get 
is the text you want.

HTH,
Chuck


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[mailto:framers-bounces+charles.beck=infor@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Rene Stephenson
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 12:50 PM
To: framers
Subject: RE: Configuring Paste

Phil, Art, Richard, et al.:

  If the file format order is as listed, doesn't FM then paste even FM items as 
unformatted text? I'm wondering if there's a way to order those formats so that 
if it's FM source, it pastes FM but uses TEXT otherwise. Would the following 
work?

  ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, TEXT, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF

  ...or does FILE include the formatting, etc., that would be on the clipboard 
from other non-FM programs?

  Also, would this affect pasting graphics?

  (Sorry if those are stupid questions...)

  Thanks,
  Rene

Phil Heron  wrote:
  Zo?,

Open the maker.ini file (in \Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2).

Find this line:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF, TEXT

Change it to:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=TEXT, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF

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[mailto:framers-bounces+phil.heron=coda@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
Zoe Lawson
Sent: 02 March 2007 15:35
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Configuring Paste

Greetings,

Sometime ago, someone posted a lovely little trick where you can change 
something, somewhere and configure your paste settings.

By default, if you copy something from Word and paste it into Frame, you get a 
Word object or something. I want to paste text. I edited a file somewhere, 
based off of suggestions from this list, and fixed it. Now I can't find the 
setting again. I'm having trouble finding my login for the FrameUsers site, so 
can't search the archives.

If someone who remembers this setting would be so kind as to post it again, I'd 
really appreciate it.

I'm now using FrameMaker 7.1p114, if that makes a difference.


Thanks!

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Configuring Paste

2007-03-02 Thread Fred Ridder 
Notice that the maker.ini item starts with the word "clipboard",
which refers to the Windows clipboard. FrameMaker only uses
the Windows clipboard when pasting content that was copied
in another application. FrameMaker-to-FrameMaker copy/pasting
uses an internal mechanism that does not go through the
Windows clipboard. Internal copy/pasting always comes with
the formatting intact, which I actually find annoying about
half the time (for examle, when I'm making a new heading
from a phrase I copied from the text).

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
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Intel
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>From: Rene Stephenson 
>To: framers 
>Subject: RE: Configuring Paste
>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:50:25 -0800 (PST)
>
>Phil, Art, Richard, et al.:
>
>   If the file format order is as listed, doesn't FM then paste even FM 
>items as unformatted text? I'm wondering if there's a way to order those 
>formats so that if it's FM source, it pastes FM but uses TEXT otherwise. 
>Would the following work?
>
>   ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, TEXT, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, 
>RTF
>
>   ...or does FILE include the formatting, etc., that would be on the 
>clipboard from other non-FM programs?
>
>   Also, would this affect pasting graphics?
>
>   (Sorry if those are stupid questions...)
>
>   Thanks,
>   Rene
>
>Phil Heron  wrote:
>   Zo?,
>
>Open the maker.ini file (in \Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2).
>
>Find this line:
>
>ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF, TEXT
>
>Change it to:
>
>ClipboardFormatsPriorities=TEXT, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF
>
>Phil
>
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>Of Zoe Lawson
>Sent: 02 March 2007 15:35
>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Configuring Paste
>
>Greetings,
>
>Sometime ago, someone posted a lovely little trick where you can change 
>something, somewhere and configure your paste settings.
>
>By default, if you copy something from Word and paste it into Frame, you 
>get a Word object or something. I want to paste text. I edited a file 
>somewhere, based off of suggestions from this list, and fixed it. Now I 
>can't find the setting again. I'm having trouble finding my login for the 
>FrameUsers site, so can't search the archives.
>
>If someone who remembers this setting would be so kind as to post it again, 
>I'd really appreciate it.
>
>I'm now using FrameMaker 7.1p114, if that makes a difference.
>
>
>Thanks!
>
>Zo?
>
>
>
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How to create 'Word style' bookmarks

2007-03-02 Thread Mike Wickham 
1. It sounds like you just need to create a user variable for each term and 
insert the variables at the appropriate spots in your document.

2. Then, make several other template documents (one for each language) that 
have the same user variables, but define them with the translated 
definitions.

3. To replace the content in the main document, simply be sure the 
translation template is also open, then, in the main document, choose File> 
Import Formats. Select the import template and import the user variables 
from the template. It will replace the content in a flash.

You don't need Framescript or the FDK for something so simple in FrameMaker.

Another method would be to put all the translations in your document, and 
conditionalize them by language. For example, add text that says "Hello Hola 
Bonjour." Give each word the appropriate condition for English, Spanish, and 
French. Then, hiding the inappropriate conditions-- hiding Spanish and 
French conditions for the English version, for example-- would display only 
"Hello."

Mike Wickham

- Original Message - 
Our document is a technical manual translated in several languages; it
contains several technical terms requiring a very skilled translation. Each
document bookmark is named with the technical term; inside the DB we have a
table with all these technical terms and their translations.
With our macro we simply replace the content of the document 'bookmarks'
(technical term) with the string contained inside the DB in the right
language.

What about using user variables, like Fred Ridder suggested?
Is it possible to change their value using framescript or the FDK and force
a 'global' update?

Max

How to create 'Word style' bookmarks

2007-03-02 Thread Rick Quatro 
Hi Mike,

Based on my understanding of what Max is trying to do, the FrameScript or 
FDK portion would be used to "lookup" the correct translation stored in a 
database.

Rick

> 1. It sounds like you just need to create a user variable for each term 
> and insert the variables at the appropriate spots in your document.
>
> 2. Then, make several other template documents (one for each language) 
> that have the same user variables, but define them with the translated 
> definitions.
>
> 3. To replace the content in the main document, simply be sure the 
> translation template is also open, then, in the main document, choose 
> File> Import Formats. Select the import template and import the user 
> variables from the template. It will replace the content in a flash.
>
> You don't need Framescript or the FDK for something so simple in 
> FrameMaker.
>
> Another method would be to put all the translations in your document, and 
> conditionalize them by language. For example, add text that says "Hello 
> Hola Bonjour." Give each word the appropriate condition for English, 
> Spanish, and French. Then, hiding the inappropriate conditions-- hiding 
> Spanish and French conditions for the English version, for example-- would 
> display only "Hello."
>
> Mike Wickham

Structured Frame saving XML

2007-03-02 Thread Matt Sullivan 
Regarding the internal spacing and line breaks within the XML...

The description I've always lived by is that Frame creates equivalent, not
exact XML (or SGML). I recall a few posts by Dan E relating to things that
change like entity names and XRef Id's.

Have you tried using the files in your Structured App (R/W Rules, DTD & EDD)
to tighten up the export to XML?

After that, possibly an FDK fix, or script(s) to normalize the file with
your specific XML requirements?



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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Trevor Nicholls
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 7:52 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Structured Frame saving XML

Well... suppose we have a source code fragment following this kind of model:

label {
 word(parameter)
 long-word   (parameter,   parameter)
}

where the 'code' element has the #FIXED attributes 'formatted="yes"' and
'xml:space="preserve"' in the DTD.

We want to preserve the line breaks and internal spacing of this element.
This was sufficient to achieve this when we were using 100% XML tools like
Saxon and libxml. Evidently not for Frame. The first change I made was to
introduce a  element into the DTD which our presentation process
recognizes as a marker for a newline, thus the above would be written in our
initial XML file as:

label {
 word(parameter)
 long-word   (parameter,   parameter)
}

The first problem is that if Frame's line breaking is so minded, the
internal spacing of this element will be subverted. That's because the line
breaking seems unconcerned about the number of following/preceding spaces.

The second problem is that when I try and recover the spacing within
Framemaker, even though the 'code' element is formatted in a fixed width
font as per the EDD rules, the alignment is neither roundtrippable nor (hard
to believe) is it even predictable at the character level (by which I mean
that words shift by extra fractions of a space as characters are inserted or
deleted).

Does this make sense?

Cheers
Trevor


-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2007 4:28 a.m.
To: trevor at castingthevoid.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Structured Frame saving XML

Trevor Nicholls wrote:

> Our source documents are in XML and we edit in structured 
> Frame. I have XSL processes running successfully on Open and 
> Save and I have no issues with the validity of the XML which 
> Frame is giving me. However I do have an issue with the 
> layout. Because our XML files are managed by a source control 
> system, I would like to minimize the differences between 
> revisions, and Frame's apparent perversity regarding 
> line-wrapping in particular is making this difficult.

Well, I'm just a dumb unstructured author, but I thought the whole point
of XML, SGML, etc., was to separate content from presentation. If line
wrapping isn't presentation, I don't know what is. 

Maybe I'm confused and don't understand your question. But what does the
line wrapping (or other page layout matters) have to do with the XML
file that you're source-controlling? 

Richard


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How to create 'Word style' bookmarks

2007-03-02 Thread Massimiliano Lodi 
Hi Mike, 
thanks for your interesting answer.
> 1. It sounds like you just need to create a user variable for each  term
and insert the variables at the appropriate spots in your document.

You're right, but someway to connect directly to database would be much
easier than creating and maintening templates for each language or make the
conditional assignment that you mention.

Max


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How to create 'Word style' bookmarks

2007-03-02 Thread Peter Gold 
Hi, Massimiliano:

I believe that FrameMaker has the ability to connect to a database via 
the ODBC standard (Open Data Base Connectivity.) Try searching 
FrameMaker's online help, Google, and the knowledgebase at Adobe.com for 
something like ODBC FrameMaker.

Also, try a disk search on your computer; there may be an ODBC plugin 
somewhere in the FrameMaker installation directory. If not, you may need 
to rerun the FrameMaker installer to choose ODBC. I don't know anything 
more than this faint memory, but perhaps someone on this list, or the 
other FrameMaker forums at Adobe.com might offer additional information.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Massimiliano Lodi wrote:
> Hi Mike, 
> thanks for your interesting answer.
>   
>> 1. It sounds like you just need to create a user variable for each  term
>> 
> and insert the variables at the appropriate spots in your document.
>
> You're right, but someway to connect directly to database would be much
> easier than creating and maintening templates for each language or make the
> conditional assignment that you mention.
>
> Max
>
>
>