[Framers] FrameMaker 10 won't run on Windows 11
Hi Mike: My interpretation of this page is that anything from FrameMaker Summer 2020 Update 3 and earlier are compatible with Windows 10 only. https://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/help/fm_system_requirements.html#:~:text=Note%3A,Microsoft%C2%AE%20Windows%2010%20only.=This%20software%20will%20not%20operate%20without%20activation. If anyone has different information, I'd love to hear it. Fei Min Lorente Business Process Analyst Industrial Solutions Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com<http://www.onsemi.com/> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ...
Sadly, we have switched to Flare. We still have some legacy documents in FrameMaker 10, but with the move to Windows 11, we have to convert those, too. I'm on this list "just in case", but I expect to disappear in a few years. We had a good time while it lasted... Fei Min Lorente Business Process Analyst Industrial Solutions Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com<http://www.onsemi.com/> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Setting up coloured text in Structure
Thanks to everyone who responded. I'm going to go with Rob's solution because I understand how to apply it and I think the answer is no, I can't directly use the value of the colour attribute to choose which colour to apply. Wim, I hadn't heard of the outputclass attribute before, so I looked it up and it looks like a DITA thing. I should have mentioned that this is a home-grown EDD and that I'm using FrameMaker 10, so I don't think that attribute is available to me. If anyone is reading this for the first time, here are the answers I got: -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 09:41:25 +1030 From: Rob Wallis <robnurflu...@gmail.com<mailto:robnurflu...@gmail.com>> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> Subject: Re: [Framers] Setting up coloured text in Structure Message-ID: <cakwl4siuamn1s5az5tkbgzf-db24ybk5g+r1tvbycn2prxn...@mail.gmail.com<mailto:cakwl4siuamn1s5az5tkbgzf-db24ybk5g+r1tvbycn2prxn...@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I'd set it up like you would an emphasis wrapping element. Once you specify the list, you can use it wherever that element is allowed. For instance: Attribute list Name: Type Choice Optional Choices:Bold, Text format rules If context is: [Type = "Bold"] Text range. Font properties Weight: Bold but replace Bold with the colour etc. Hope it points you in the right direction -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 10:24:52 +0100 From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp <w...@idtp.eu<mailto:w...@idtp.eu>> To: feimin.lore...@onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com> Cc: Framers <framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Setting up coloured text in Structure Message-ID: <d1fcb1fc-3571-4a4b-8a83-261bed67e...@idtp.eu<mailto:d1fcb1fc-3571-4a4b-8a83-261bed67e...@idtp.eu>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Hi Fei Min, you should use paragraph and chatracter formats for your elements. Use the outputclass value to determine the format to use. Then change the formats in your template as needed. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Wim Hooghwinkel Fei Min Lorente Business Process Analyst Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com<http://www.onsemi.com/> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Setting up coloured text in Structure
Hi all: We need to change the font colour for the first time, and there's a list of 6 different colours that we have to use. I figured I would create a text range element and set the colour using an attribute with a preset list of values. I can use the same names that exist in the FrameMaker template. I don't suppose there's a way to use that attribute value to specify which colour to use in the text formatting, is there? Am I going to have to create a Format Change List for each colour? Fei Min Lorente Business Process Analyst Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com<http://www.onsemi.com/> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mysterious error when trying to open a FrameMaker file
Thanks for the replies, Robert and Alan. Yes, we would certainly like to graduate to something more modern than CVS, but as you can imagine, that takes time and resources. It is in the works. I ended up sending her my file that I could open, and she was able to open that. Fei Min Lorente Business Process Analyst Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com<http://www.onsemi.com/> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Fei Min Lorente <feimin.lore...@onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com>> wrote: > Hi all: > > My co-worker gets this message when she tries to open one particular file in > a book: > > "This document has been damaged. This may have been caused by a text > translator during a file transfer." > > The file is stored in CVS, a file versioning system. When I check out the > same file (as far as I know, it should be the same in all respects), I don't > get this error and I can open the file. > > She can open the book file and all the other files in the book. Any idea what > might be wrong here and how to fix it? > > I tried "Wash via MIF" already and that didn't work. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Mysterious error when trying to open a FrameMaker file
Hi all: My co-worker gets this message when she tries to open one particular file in a book: "This document has been damaged. This may have been caused by a text translator during a file transfer." The file is stored in CVS, a file versioning system. When I check out the same file (as far as I know, it should be the same in all respects), I don't get this error and I can open the file. She can open the book file and all the other files in the book. Any idea what might be wrong here and how to fix it? I tried "Wash via MIF" already and that didn't work. Fei Min Lorente Business Process Analyst Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com<http://www.onsemi.com/> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] "Modularity" and FrameMaker
Hi Eric: We adopted Agile practices almost two years ago and we're still working out best practices (but that will always be an ongoing task), so I can tell you what I've found so far with documentation in FrameMaker. Basically, what you've been told about modular documentation is not necessary for working with an Agile development group. All I've had to do is allow developers to document their little bit of code development that they achieve in a sprint (in our case, 2 weeks). We've defined their coding task as "done" when it's documented, so I get the documentation in incremental pieces as the sprints go by. I suppose this makes the documentation "modular" in the sense that they can easily find the place where they need to document things and there's a minimum of ripple effect, or the ripple effect is obvious (like cross-references), but I haven't had to break up our documentation. We're still using a book paradigm. Working Agile means that a lot of documentation gets reworked over and over again, but on the bright side, it always reflects the product at the end of the sprint, so the documentation and the software are always synchronized. I don't know anything about Polarion, so I've just looked up the website, and after a few minutes of reading and watching the overview video (so take this with a grain of salt), it looks like a project and process management tool, but I don't see why your engineers would want to access FrameMaker's API from it. Unless you currently do your requirements and specifications documents in FrameMaker? Back to what I do know. We are using Atlassian's tool called Jira to help us manage our workflow in an Agile way. It has an Agile plug-in so that we can create epics and stories, plan sprints, track velocity, and so on. If all this is Greek to you, you should read up on Agile practices. There's loads of information on the internet, so I won't bother sending you links. And every company has their own implementation of Agile depending on corporate culture, industry, etc. so even with the reading, you should find out what your engineers are doing, and make sure they make you part of the team. You should be sprinting along with them. What you described as "modular" is really re-usable; that is, the same information can be re-used in different places. That doesn't have anything to do with working Agile. Maybe you should find out why they think you'd suddenly have to start sharing information between manuals. Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator and Business Process Analyst - Message: 1 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:52:44 -0800 From: eric_isaac...@selinc.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] "Modularity" and FrameMaker Message-ID: <of3273420e.ef747bf2-on88257f40.008053f3-88257f40.00834...@selinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi! I'm looking for some guidance for a challenge I was given. My workplace is wanting to make products using Agile development and by making things more "modular". I don't know that management knows what this means exactly, but I have been tasked to see how our product literature can and should fit in with this idea. The basic idea as I understand it is that we would have bits of information about a product that could be shared in multiple manuals and possibly other documents (such as requirement specifications). One engineer involved mentioned that in order to manage all of the software development, the company plans to use Polarion (and he asked me about Frame and API possibilities--I found the Frame Developer Center page and passed that along to him). I also know that Atlassian tools are also being used (I believe in regards to the Agile development initiative), but I do not understand how those two sets of tools are related. Has anyone had any experience with similar concepts or with the specific tools as they relate to using FrameMaker? How does structure documentation fit in with this, if at all? Any pointers to things I can read or consultants to consult or training I can attend? Anything at all would be helpful. I feel like I'm on my tip-toes and the water is up to my neck already. I know, I know, breathe Thanks! Fyi: We're currently using unstructured Frame 12 in Windows 7. We output PDF for print and the web as our deliverable. Eric Isaacson Product Literature Manager -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers_lists.frameusers.com/attachments/20160120/ec351a0c/attachment-0001.html> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to Framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at %http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.f
Re: post-processing a PDF with FM markers
I've been following this thread with interest because I've got a similar problem. In my case, the books in the library are not in the same folder and I'd rather they weren't because of the structure in the CVS repository where they live. However, when we install the PDFs, they'll be in the same folder. So could I use a FrameMaker marker to create a hyperlink from one book to another, specifying a relative path? I realize it'll break if someone moves the PDF to another folder, but the displayed text should give point them in the right direction anyway. I'm also generating Eclipse Help and maintaining the link there is going to be trickier because I really don't know where the HTML files end up being installed. Not expecting an answer, but if anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear them. I'm using FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7. Fei Min Lorente ON Semiconductor -- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 15:51:52 -0400 From: John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.com To: David Artman da...@davidartman.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: post-processing a PDF with FM markers Message-ID: CAKwJh12wQ5wHojcxybBBnuekM=fhzrh6ebbaa6rbvce0puo...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 That's pretty much what we do now, but it's hard to have all the books open at once when four writers are hurtling toward a deadline... And we have found that customer-users often copy a doc to email to a colleague or to use elsewhere and then the links break. It's not a stopper for now, but I'd love to find a more robust solution. On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 3:44 PM, David Artman da...@davidartman.com wrote: I concur with Robert, unless you're facing other issue that you didn't mention in your post. Have all the BOOK files open when you print to PDF; and esure that the resulting PDFs are located in the same relative file structure as the BOOK files. [If I were you, I'd put all BOOK files in one folder, for simplicity of access, regardless of where you let choose to locate your working FM-type and graphics files.] Barring that, you could do something with Named Desitnations I reckon... but that's just a major pain: as you noted, you won't know the base location to make aboslute/hyperlink references in the FM files. But if it's your company's system to setup and install, it should be trivial just to make a docs folder on it somewhere and plop all your PDFs in that (and a shortcut to the 'master' document, perhaps, on the All Users Desktop). Done deal. David Original Message Subject: Re: post-processing a PDF with FM markers From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com Date: Mon, March 23, 2015 12:05 pm To: John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com I've defined cross-references between FrameMaker files that worked across generated PDFs, provided the PDFs were in the same positions relative to each other in the directory structure (e.g. all in the same directory) as the FrameMaker books were. It used to be that all the files in all the books had to be open when generating the PDFs for that to work, but it has been a few years since I did that. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:58 AM, John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.com wrote: I generate a library of PDFs that are delivered to the customer inside a server that we sell and install for them. Some of our customers are in secure facilities with no outside internet access, so I can't just point them to our knowledge base. I need a way to link from one PDF to another, when they are all served from that customer server. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as da...@davidartman.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/david%40davidartma n.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as john.sgamm...@actifio.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/john.sgammato%40ac tifio.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers
Re: How to Choose the Right Image File Format for Print
Thanks for that article, Carol. I've been using PDF from Visio source (sometimes Illustrator or CAD drawings), and I'm currently using PNG for screen captures. I used to use TIFF, but then something changed. I'm not sure if it was going from Windows XP to Windows 7 or changing my laptop, but the TIFF figures were all fuzzy and the PNG ones weren't (when I look at PDF and HTML). I haven't tried printing the PNG graphics; we just ship PDFs and since our customers haven't complained, maybe they're not printing them either. Fei Min -- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 16:31:35 -0400 From: Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com To: Carol J. Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com Cc: Frame Users framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: How to Choose the Right Image File Format for Print Message-ID: ca+momcjh+ulvwh6zhjaaz1mlyxcqwgj8hzbhnctmvxcob50...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Where I work we use either PNGs (if we have a screenshot) or SVGs (generated from Visio). We do a *lot *of Visio diagrams. On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Carol J. Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com wrote: Here is a really good article (I think) about the various graphic file formats and when to use and not use them. http://www.creativepro.com/article/how-to-choose-the- right-image-file-format-for-print I've read dozens of similar articles and this one stands out for its clarity. This past year I've been using native Illustrator files in my Framemaker documents almost exclusively and am really happy with the decision. I previously had used a lot of imported PDF files as graphics and although they generally did not cause any mishaps, occasionally I'd have some seriously wonky problems with PDFs generated from Framemaker files that had PDF files imported by reference. Just curious as to whether others are using native Illustrator or Photoshop files instead of traditional .tif, eps, or (gasp) jpg formats. Carol ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20150319/45b92b97/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 09:10:30 -0700 From: Ed Nodland enodl...@gmail.com To: Carol J. Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: How to Choose the Right Image File Format for Print Message-ID: cajvfo7borozudhl84b_j5bpffhlwnzlukplnxyfb9guhbma...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 We use PDFs created in Illustrator. As I understand a single page illustrator and PDF file created by illustrator are identical or at least totally exchangeable. Ed Nodland On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Carol J. Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com wrote: Here is a really good article (I think) about the various graphic file formats and when to use and not use them. http://www.creativepro.com/article/how-to-choose-the- right-image-file-format-for-print I've read dozens of similar articles and this one stands out for its clarity. This past year I've been using native Illustrator files in my Framemaker documents almost exclusively and am really happy with the decision. I previously had used a lot of imported PDF files as graphics and although they generally did not cause any mishaps, occasionally I'd have some seriously wonky problems with PDFs generated from Framemaker files that had PDF files imported by reference. Just curious as to whether others are using native Illustrator or Photoshop files instead of traditional .tif, eps, or (gasp) jpg formats. Carol ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as enodl...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ enodland%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20150320/8a32730b/attachment-0001.html -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers. To unsubscribe send a blank email to
Re: Automatic column widths on import of XML file
Thanks everyone who responded to this question. The conclusion is that we can't expect FrameMaker to automatically size the column widths depending on the cells' contents. The next best solution seems to be a post-processing script. Maybe a preprocessing script is feasible, but since XML is supposed to be format-independent, we really shouldn't know the font type and size or padding in each cell, so preprocessing is probably a bad idea. In the interests of clarity, I should point out that Russ Ward seems to be correct (at least in FrameMaker 10). If no column widths are specified in the XML file, FrameMaker uses the column widths of the table style (i.e. template), even though you don't explicitly specify them. FrameMaker saves the number of columns and the width of them behind the scenes whenever you save that table style. When you import the XML table using that style, it uses the width of the columns in the table style going from left to right (of course), and if the XML table has more columns than the table style, it keeps using the width of the last (rightmost) column. I know it never truncates nor adds columns according to the table style. Thanks for letting me know that the widths have to be fixed numbers and can't be percentages. Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ Hi, last time I had a closer look I found that FrameMaker would only support the CALS table model with fixed numeric column widths, not with percentages. Although it may be possible to set the widths via scripting, the result will probably not be satisfying at the first attempt. (... especially when translating the text in different languages) Each column has a numeric column width entry. If these entries are deleted or not written, FrameMaker assumes all colums to have the same width when interpreting the XML code. (I have an example here where all columns are output with a width of 2 cm, but I do not know what the default value would be.) Although a template may seem to specify a certain no. of columns (when inserted as a new table), in the XML workflow a template will only have influences on margins, ruling and shading. It does not mean that all tables would be complemented or trunkated to this quantity of columns. We are using FrameMaker as XML editor, so the columns widths are specified during the editing process and are thus transfered to the XML code. Indesign e.g. would not be able to understand this XML directly without transformation. As you can see, one XML is not like another... Tino H. Haida, Berlin Lin Sims: We've an internal perl script that sets up tables at a predefined table width with the columns at predefined widths, but I'm pretty sure those measurements are hard-coded into the script that creates the XML file from the Excel spreadsheet. It's doable if you know what sizes you're working with before you get started, including how many columns you need included. XML might let you set column widths as a percentage of page/screen width, but I don't think that's directly transferable to FM. Can perl handle calculations? On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Scott Prentice sp14 at leximation.comhttp://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers wrote: Fei Min... FM won't auto-adjust table columns in any useful way. The only way I know of is to write a script or plugin to analyze the contents of the cells and do the width adjustment based on some predefined logic (widest graphic, or amount of text, etc.). Would love to hear I'm wrong .. but hot holding my breath. ...scott On 2/23/15 9:16 AM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: Hi folks: I found this discussion from 2008: https://forums.adobe.com/message/1279946#1279946 [3], and this helpful answer from Russ Ward in 2010: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/577820?tstart=0 [4], but I don't see the solution that I'm looking for. My manager (a software development guy) would like to create an XML file that I can import into FrameMaker that doesn't specify the width of each column. He's taking output from Jira, and people can create tables in the Description field there, but he has no way of knowing how wide the columns are. He figures that if HTML can automatically size the columns to suit the contents, surely FrameMaker can do this too (I'm not so sure). I've tried it myself, and the column widths in the table template apply when you don't specify widths in XML. If you have more columns than are in your template, it seems to use the width of the last templated column. And the tables might contain graphics as well as text. Anyone have any better ideas? I'm using FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7. I think my manager is using Perl
Automatic column widths on import of XML file
Hi folks: I found this discussion from 2008: https://forums.adobe.com/message/1279946#1279946, and this helpful answer from Russ Ward in 2010: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/577820?tstart=0, but I don't see the solution that I'm looking for. My manager (a software development guy) would like to create an XML file that I can import into FrameMaker that doesn't specify the width of each column. He's taking output from Jira, and people can create tables in the Description field there, but he has no way of knowing how wide the columns are. He figures that if HTML can automatically size the columns to suit the contents, surely FrameMaker can do this too (I'm not so sure). I've tried it myself, and the column widths in the table template apply when you don't specify widths in XML. If you have more columns than are in your template, it seems to use the width of the last templated column. And the tables might contain graphics as well as text. Anyone have any better ideas? I'm using FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7. I think my manager is using Perl or some other scripting language. Jira outputs HTML as well as some other text format. Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lorente at onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lorente at onsemi.com> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com<http://www.onsemi.com/> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20150223/4fa3447d/attachment.html>
RE: Link checkers
Hi John: I'm using AutoBookmark too, on my PDFs produced from FrameMaker, and I'm happy with it. Fei Min -Original Message- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 16:53:08 -0400 From: Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com To: john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com,framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Link checkers Message-ID: 00ea01cfd902$b872b180$29581480$@com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi John, I use AutoBookmark Professional by Evermap (http://www.evermap.com). I have been very happy with the product and their support people. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:45 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Link checkers Hi, guys...need to buy an application that will check links from either FM or the PDF output. My books are now 1500+ pages and contain hundreds of links. Money is no object (within reason). However, the stipulation, because this is a very secure and locked down banking environment, it must be COTS software...I tried going through the custom script plugin route and I can't get it through...sorry. I've been looking at Debenu's PDF Aerialist (http://www.debenu.com/products/desktop/debenu-pdf-aerialist/features/audit- bookmarks-and-links/) and it seems to be the kind of software I'm looking for. Questions: Anyone ever use it? Anyone like anything better? Wouldn't it make sense for Acrobat to include that functionality? Does it? Many the very latest version? Thanks John X Posada AML Syst Ops Supt Data Analyst | US FCC RC Systems Control Analytics | HSBC North America Holdings Inc 330 Madison Ave., NY NY ___ Phone Int: 212-525-5483 Ext: Personal cellphone - 732-259-2874 Mobile Company Blackberry - 224-600-0570 Email john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com ___ Protect our environment - please only print this if you have to! - ** This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender immediately by return E-mail. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely, secure, error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions. ** SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT! ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as r...@rickquatro.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rick%40rickquatro.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers. To unsubscribe send a blank email to http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. End of framers Digest, Vol 107, Issue 14 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit
RE: Mif2Go suddenly failing on all machines
Nope, sorry, I should have mentioned. I’m on FM10, Windows 7, using Mif2Go V4U54. Fei Min From: John Sgammato [mailto:john.sgamm...@actifio.com] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 1:15 PM To: Fei Min Lorente Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Mif2Go suddenly failing on all machines Are you on FM12? There were two new DLLs in FMINIT/Plugins for FM12. On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: Hi John: I just did a Save Using Mif2Go on an old tried and true manual, and everything worked just fine. Fei Min -- Message: 13 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:18:24 -0400 From: John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.commailto:john.sgamm...@actifio.com To: Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Mif2Go suddenly failing on all machines Message-ID: CAKwJh11XjZFNVpgDEeA0MG=xi=0Q1oDxd0TZBsYvta=ddw1...@mail.gmail.commailto:ddw1...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I'd be very grateful if a few of my colleagues here could try a quick mif2go save and see if you get the DCL not found error. On Aug 13, 2014 6:15 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com wrote: And if you do find a fix, let us know, just in case someone else runs into the same issue. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.commailto:s...@leximation.com wrote: If you don't get anything here, you might try the new mif2go list .. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mif2go/info ...scott On 8/13/14 12:53 PM, John Sgammato wrote: Yesterday I was generating a bunch of XHTML output with Mif2Go, when suddenly I started to fail with this error: Mif2Go failed for file: C:\Project\Users_Roles.html type 1, code 2, at: Wed Aug 13 15:46:36 2014 Could not run DCL filter or other program. File not found. It had worked fine just an hour before. Nothing had changed. Nonetheless I rechecked all my environment variables and other common issues; they were all good. Restarting the machine did not fix it. A complete uninstall/reinstall of Mif2Go did not fix it. Today is does not work on two different computers with different files. Is anyone else experiencing this? It's as if my license has been revoked or some similar global denial of service. -- http://www.actifio.com/*John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.commailto:john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083tel:508.927.2083 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifio http://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Radically simple copy data management * *.* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.commailto:s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers. To unsubscribe send a blank email to http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. End of framers Digest, Vol 106, Issue 12 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as john.sgamm...@actifio.commailto:john.sgamm...@actifio.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http
RE: Automating table column width changes
Thanks! I’ve just purchased TableCleaner and am happily using it. Fei Min From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 4:51 PM To: Fei Min Lorente Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Automating table column width changes Use Rick Quattro's TableCleaner plugin. If the tables are consistently tagged and all of them have to be the same sizes, you can use its Resize All Table Columns function. It's a life saver. On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: I’m converting the style of my documentation set (about 100 manuals), and that means the column width of some single-cell tables ought to change. They have unique and consistent table styles (there’s 3 types of them), and they all have to be set to the same width. I’ve changed the table width in the template, but the widths don’t change when I import formats. Copying and pasting the column width is kind of tedious. Is my best bet an ExtendScript script? I’m using FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7. Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297tel:%2B1%20519-884-9696%20ext.%202297 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931tel:%2B1%20519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724tel:%2B1%20905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Automating table column width changes
I'm converting the style of my documentation set (about 100 manuals), and that means the column width of some single-cell tables ought to change. They have unique and consistent table styles (there's 3 types of them), and they all have to be set to the same width. I've changed the table width in the template, but the widths don't change when I import formats. Copying and pasting the column width is kind of tedious. Is my best bet an ExtendScript script? I'm using FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7. Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Keyboard Shortcut to Run ExtendScript in FrameMaker 10?
Unfortunately, when I double-click on the file (.jsx), it opens the FrameMaker script editor. This is a good tool to know about, though, so thanks for pointing it out, Shmuel. Fei Min From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 9:40 AM To: Fei Min Lorente; Framers Subject: Re: Keyboard Shortcut to Run ExtendScript in FrameMaker 10? If the script files can be run by double-clicking them, you can use The Wonderful Iconhttp://www.thewonderfulicon.com/ to assign a keyboard shortcut to open a script. I use it to run AutoIt scripts. If you need help with it, let me know. Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 01-Jun-14 4:18 PM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: Hi Shmuel: They are saved as separate files, so if you want to edit them in another editor, or move them around, you can. Fei Min From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 5:47 AM To: Fei Min Lorente Subject: Re: Keyboard Shortcut to Run ExtendScript in FrameMaker 10? I haven't gotten into ExtendScript yet. Are scripts saved as separate files on the computer or are they only accessible within Frame? Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 On 29-May-14 9:02 PM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: Does anyone know if there is such a shortcut, or if I can define one? I've tried the online help and Google searches. The closest thing I can find is F6 for repeat typing, but of course, that's not working. Is this impossible? I have a script that changes my selected text to all lower case, and it would just save me a few seconds if I could hit a shortcut after I select the text instead of mousing to the Play button in the Script window. It's not a huge deal, but it would help. I'm on Windows 7 if that makes a difference. Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.commailto:shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Keyboard Shortcut to Run ExtendScript in FrameMaker 10?
Does anyone know if there is such a shortcut, or if I can define one? I've tried the online help and Google searches. The closest thing I can find is F6 for repeat typing, but of course, that's not working. Is this impossible? I have a script that changes my selected text to all lower case, and it would just save me a few seconds if I could hit a shortcut after I select the text instead of mousing to the Play button in the Script window. It's not a huge deal, but it would help. I'm on Windows 7 if that makes a difference. Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Keyboard Shortcut to Run ExtendScript in FrameMaker 10?
Thanks Fred and Rick! Ctrl + Alt + l (lower case el) works great! Now I feel silly for writing a script, but it was an educational exercise. Fei Min From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:01 PM To: Rick Quatro; Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Keyboard Shortcut to Run ExtendScript in FrameMaker 10? In the first case, I assume that is a lower-case L rather than an upper-case i, correct? I guess that has to be the case because otherwise it would be a 4-key combination (with Shift as well as Ctrl + Alt) rather than just a 3-key one. But the default display font for many email clients has glyphs for these two characters that are completely indistinguishable unless they are immediately adjacent, so I thought clarification might be useful for other readers. -Fred Ridder From: r...@rickquatro.commailto:r...@rickquatro.com To: feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com; framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Keyboard Shortcut to Run ExtendScript in FrameMaker 10? Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 14:41:46 -0400 Hi Fei Min, I am not sure if you can define a shortcut, but FrameMaker has a built-in shortcut for making the selected text lower case: Control + Alt + l. You can use Control + Alt + u for all caps and Control + Alt + c for sentence case. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.commailto:r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min Lorente Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 2:02 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Keyboard Shortcut to Run ExtendScript in FrameMaker 10? Does anyone know if there is such a shortcut, or if I can define one? I've tried the online help and Google searches. The closest thing I can find is F6 for repeat typing, but of course, that's not working. Is this impossible? I have a script that changes my selected text to all lower case, and it would just save me a few seconds if I could hit a shortcut after I select the text instead of mousing to the Play button in the Script window. It's not a huge deal, but it would help. I'm on Windows 7 if that makes a difference. Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.commailto:docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Seminar/webinar on FrameMaker 12
The Southwestern Ontario chapter of the STC is hosting Bernard Aschwanden who is giving a talk on What's New in FrameMaker 12 on Tuesday, May 6. I know we've already discussed many of the new features on this list, but if you want the information in one tidy package, want to see a demo in real time, and ask specific questions, this seminar is for you. See http://www.stc-soc.org/calendar/2014-05-06.php for more information. Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How do I provide a FrameMaker hyperlink from one manual to another when the output is in Eclipse User Assistance?
This might require more than just FrameMaker knowledge, but the Eclipse User Assistance forums aren't responding, so I'm hoping someone here can help. I'm producing Eclipse User Assistance with FrameMaker 10 and Mif2Go, and I'd like to create a real link from one manual to another. They are in separate jar files and each has their own TOC XML file, but they are all installed together. I've been reading the Mif2Go User's Guide and the Framer's list, and I see a lot of options for how to do this, but I'm not sure which is best: * Should I use 19.6 Linking to other files and other Mif2Go projects? It says it's for links to files whose names or locations will change after conversion. I use a wrap directory and I already use a .bat file to copy the files to the wrap directory, but I'm not sure how this would translate into a link once the Eclipse UA files are in jars. * Or should I use 19.7 Linking to external destinations and provide the URL of the destination page, which I can get from viewing the Eclipse User Assistance in a browser? This assumes I can set the destination anchor to something that won't change every time I convert the FrameMaker files to Eclipse UA. Any advice would be appreciated. Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
Wow! Thanks to everyone who replied. I'm sorry I've taken so long to close this thread, but other work got in the way, and there were so many things to try! I don't think I got to them all, but here is what worked for me on my colleague's virtual machine: * Copy the infinity symbol from a Word document and use Paste Special Rich Text Format in FrameMaker. If I use a regular paste, I get a question mark. * Copy the infinity symbol from the Windows character map (ProgramsAccessoriesSystem Tools) and use Paste Special. But Winfried has a warning that the Windows Character Map might show characters that are not part of the font you're using. * Alt+0165 as blogged by Matt Sullivan, which gave me a yen symbol, and then I applied the Symbol font. I was trying 221E and I think Heiko Haida tried to explain that I can't produce characters over 00FF hex without modifying my Windows, so thanks for the alternate ANSI code, Matt. Fei Min From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:sullivanma...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 6:07 PM To: Paul Wilbraham Cc: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems I was able to use the info in the FrameMaker Character Sets doc to insert using ANSI code 0165. The trick is to set the font to Symbol. For a writeup on this, and link to the Fm7 and Fm9 PDFs (I couldn't see a difference, but who knows...) see http://mattrsullivan.com/blog/fm/insert-infinity-char/ -Matt Matt R. Sullivan co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11http://framemaker11book.com/ P: 714.798.7596 | C: 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.commailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com @mattrsullivanhttp://twitter.com/mattrsullivan linkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/mattrsullivan mattrsullivan.comhttp://mattrsullivan.com/ On Feb 14, 2014, at 5:38 AM, Paul Wilbraham paul.wilbra...@m-ais.commailto:paul.wilbra...@m-ais.com wrote: I'm working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I can't find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
I'm working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I can't find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol? My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can't use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets other characters instead. She's resorted to copying and pasting from Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I've found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
Thank you for the directions to the Character Palette. That works for me, but my colleague is still getting a question mark when she tries to insert the infinity symbol. There’s obviously something wrong with her setup. Yes, the Character Palette is crude, so it really helped to know that 221E would get me the infinity symbol; otherwise I could spend all day looking for it, and still miss it. Also, thanks for this site, Robert: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/221e/index.htm. It’s very thorough, and it was reassuring to know that the infinity symbol is available in Trebuchet, which is the font we’re using. Fei Min From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:39 PM To: Lise Bible; Fei Min Lorente Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems Windows Character Map should work, but not all systems have it installed. My company's IT department, for example, does not include it in the standard corporate desktop image. But the necessary executable *is* present in all Windows 7 system installations, and you can install it as a Windows component from the Add Programs control panel tool. But as of FM9, FrameMaker itself has a similar (albeit *very* crude looking...) tool built in. Go to EditUtilitiesCharacter Palette. And if you know the Unicode character number, you can also use FileUtilitiesHex Input, whihc is even cruder looking than the Character Palette (if that is possible). -Fred Ridder From: rentagoodb...@gmail.commailto:rentagoodb...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:11:54 -0600 Subject: Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems To: feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Fei Min, I'm on Frame 8, so I have no solutions for Frame 10, but have you tried using Windows Character Map (under ProgramsAccessoriesSystem Tools) as a workaround? I was able to find and copy the ∞ symbol from there. Not a terribly elegant solution, but an alternative to copy/paste from Word... -Lise On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: I’m working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I can’t find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol? My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can’t use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets other characters instead. She’s resorted to copying and pasting from Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I’ve found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rentagoodb...@gmail.commailto:rentagoodb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rentagoodbook%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.commailto:docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send
Working around the absolute path problem
Hi folks: We are using FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7. We have two repositories (as a result of an acquisition): one in CVS and one in SVN. We are currently working on a project where the code and one of the manuals (it's generated from the code source) are in the SVN repository, but my text insets and shared graphics are in CVS. We'd like to avoid having to copy the shared stuff over to SVN, but considering FrameMaker's reliance on absolute paths (well, even a relative path could be a problem), is there a way to use something like an environment variable to specify the path to the shared stuff in CVS? Or is the only solution to mandate where everyone checks out the shared CVS files so that the absolute path always works? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Can FrameMaker use the default Windows keyboard?
I have a colleague who is using FrameMaker 10 on a Windows 7 virtual machine, and he'd like to use a Swiss French keyboard. He's installed it on the VM and it works with other programs on the VM, but not FrameMaker. Is there any way to get FM to recognize the default Windows keyboard? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FW: RESOLVED: Can FrameMaker use the default Windows keyboard?
Never mind. I found the documentation in the User's Guide about Adding multilingual text in documents and it's supposed to just work. My colleague found that some of the keys are working and some aren't, so he suspects it's a Windows driver problem. Fei Min From: Fei Min Lorente Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 9:30 AM To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com' Subject: Can FrameMaker use the default Windows keyboard? I have a colleague who is using FrameMaker 10 on a Windows 7 virtual machine, and he'd like to use a Swiss French keyboard. He's installed it on the VM and it works with other programs on the VM, but not FrameMaker. Is there any way to get FM to recognize the default Windows keyboard? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Can FrameMaker use the default Windows keyboard?
I have a colleague who is using FrameMaker 10 on a Windows 7 virtual machine, and he'd like to use a Swiss French keyboard. He's installed it on the VM and it works with other programs on the VM, but not FrameMaker. Is there any way to get FM to recognize the default Windows keyboard? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lorente at onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lorente at onsemi.com> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com<http://www.onsemi.com/> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20140122/d18d7977/attachment.html>
FW: RESOLVED: Can FrameMaker use the default Windows keyboard?
Never mind. I found the documentation in the User's Guide about Adding multilingual text in documents and it's supposed to just work. My colleague found that some of the keys are working and some aren't, so he suspects it's a Windows driver problem. Fei Min From: Fei Min Lorente Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 9:30 AM To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com' Subject: Can FrameMaker use the default Windows keyboard? I have a colleague who is using FrameMaker 10 on a Windows 7 virtual machine, and he'd like to use a Swiss French keyboard. He's installed it on the VM and it works with other programs on the VM, but not FrameMaker. Is there any way to get FM to recognize the default Windows keyboard? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lorente at onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lorente at onsemi.com> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com<http://www.onsemi.com/> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20140122/93abfc7c/attachment.html>
Expressions and conditions settings in the book are inconsistent
I'm getting this error on the first chapter (after the TOC) when I update my book. I'm using structured FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7, and I have the plugin AXCM version 3.11 installed to filter my books on attribute values. Yes, I know that FrameMaker 10 has this feature now, but I haven't gotten around to implementing it. In any case, AXCM has been working fine with FrameMaker 10 for the last 6 months or so, so I don't see why it would be causing a problem now. I've tried deleting all the conditions on the TOC file and chapter 1, and re-importing conditional text settings from the cover, but I still get this error. Someone else on this forum said they got this error when they were trying out FrameMaker 11 for the first time, and he said he didn't have any conditions defined in his documents, so maybe it has nothing to do with conditional text? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FW: Expressions and conditions settings in the book are inconsistent; SOLVED
I ended up copying chapter 2 and replacing its contents with chapter 1. I just had to reset the page and chapter numbering, and it worked. I don't know what caused the problem, but that's one solution. Fei Min From: Fei Min Lorente Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:40 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Expressions and conditions settings in the book are inconsistent I'm getting this error on the first chapter (after the TOC) when I update my book. I'm using structured FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7, and I have the plugin AXCM version 3.11 installed to filter my books on attribute values. Yes, I know that FrameMaker 10 has this feature now, but I haven't gotten around to implementing it. In any case, AXCM has been working fine with FrameMaker 10 for the last 6 months or so, so I don't see why it would be causing a problem now. I've tried deleting all the conditions on the TOC file and chapter 1, and re-importing conditional text settings from the cover, but I still get this error. Someone else on this forum said they got this error when they were trying out FrameMaker 11 for the first time, and he said he didn't have any conditions defined in his documents, so maybe it has nothing to do with conditional text? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FW: Expressions and conditions settings in the book are inconsistent; SOLVED
I ended up copying chapter 2 and replacing its contents with chapter 1. I just had to reset the page and chapter numbering, and it worked. I don't know what caused the problem, but that's one solution. Fei Min From: Fei Min Lorente Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:40 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Expressions and conditions settings in the book are inconsistent I'm getting this error on the first chapter (after the TOC) when I update my book. I'm using structured FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7, and I have the plugin AXCM version 3.11 installed to filter my books on attribute values. Yes, I know that FrameMaker 10 has this feature now, but I haven't gotten around to implementing it. In any case, AXCM has been working fine with FrameMaker 10 for the last 6 months or so, so I don't see why it would be causing a problem now. I've tried deleting all the conditions on the TOC file and chapter 1, and re-importing conditional text settings from the cover, but I still get this error. Someone else on this forum said they got this error when they were trying out FrameMaker 11 for the first time, and he said he didn't have any conditions defined in his documents, so maybe it has nothing to do with conditional text? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lorente at onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lorente at onsemi.com> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com<http://www.onsemi.com/> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20131203/d0bfdca1/attachment.html>
Expressions and conditions settings in the book are inconsistent
I'm getting this error on the first chapter (after the TOC) when I update my book. I'm using structured FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7, and I have the plugin AXCM version 3.11 installed to filter my books on attribute values. Yes, I know that FrameMaker 10 has this feature now, but I haven't gotten around to implementing it. In any case, AXCM has been working fine with FrameMaker 10 for the last 6 months or so, so I don't see why it would be causing a problem now. I've tried deleting all the conditions on the TOC file and chapter 1, and re-importing conditional text settings from the cover, but I still get this error. Someone else on this forum said they got this error when they were trying out FrameMaker 11 for the first time, and he said he didn't have any conditions defined in his documents, so maybe it has nothing to do with conditional text? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lorente at onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lorente at onsemi.com> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com<http://www.onsemi.com/> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20131203/e349347e/attachment.html>
RE: Choosing a Help Format
Thanks for the suggestion, Grant, but I’m not clear on whether it supports Windows 7. We’ll look into it. Yup, Rob confirmed that MS Help Viewer only works with Visual Studio. So it looks like we’re stuck with MS HTML Help (.chm), which is a bit more modern than WinHelp. Eclipse Help and OmniHelp are also still in the running. We found that we can do a rudimentary context-sensitive help with any of them if we link to a URL and don’t try to link to a mid-page anchor. Thanks to everyone who responded. With your help, we are very close to making a decision. Fei Min From: gr...@hedgewizard.net [mailto:gr...@hedgewizard.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:48 PM To: Robert Lauriston Cc: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format Not only that, but MS stopped support for the 32-bit help viewer. ( WinHlp32.exe) However, they do still distribute it http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607 , albeit with some fairly scary warnings. There is an alternative viewer: Help Explorer Viewer ( http://download.cnet.com/Help-Explorer-Viewer/3000-6675_4-1061.html) Grant Hogarth On November 27, 2013 at 9:41 AM Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.commailto:rob...@lauriston.com wrote: There's no free runtime help viewer? That would explain why no one uses that format. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: We’ve been in touch with Rob Chandler (creator of mshcMigrate) and he’s helped us realize that I might have been describing our challenge incorrectly. The developers are using VS 2010 to create an application that will run independently from Visual Studio, using .NET 4.0 as the framework. From everything we’ve read, it seems that MS Help Viewer only works if Visual Studio is installed; is that right? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Choosing a Help Format
Thanks, Jack, but we’re using FrameMaker for the content creation and we’re not planning to move to Flare. Fei Min From: Jack DeLand [mailto:jackdel...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 10:46 AM To: Fei Min Lorente; gr...@hedgewizard.net; 'Robert Lauriston' Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Choosing a Help Format I haven’t kept up with this thread; has anyone mentioned Flare Help Viewer? It is much more modern than CHM, and runs in .Net 4.0 (required). Worth a trial. Jack DeLand, CSM | 734 972 3026 (cell) | jack.deland (skype) | http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackdeland From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min Lorente Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:23 AM To: gr...@hedgewizard.netmailto:gr...@hedgewizard.net; Robert Lauriston Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Choosing a Help Format Thanks for the suggestion, Grant, but I’m not clear on whether it supports Windows 7. We’ll look into it. Yup, Rob confirmed that MS Help Viewer only works with Visual Studio. So it looks like we’re stuck with MS HTML Help (.chm), which is a bit more modern than WinHelp. Eclipse Help and OmniHelp are also still in the running. We found that we can do a rudimentary context-sensitive help with any of them if we link to a URL and don’t try to link to a mid-page anchor. Thanks to everyone who responded. With your help, we are very close to making a decision. Fei Min From: gr...@hedgewizard.netmailto:gr...@hedgewizard.net [mailto:gr...@hedgewizard.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:48 PM To: Robert Lauriston Cc: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format Not only that, but MS stopped support for the 32-bit help viewer. ( WinHlp32.exe) However, they do still distribute it http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607 , albeit with some fairly scary warnings. There is an alternative viewer: Help Explorer Viewer ( http://download.cnet.com/Help-Explorer-Viewer/3000-6675_4-1061.html) Grant Hogarth On November 27, 2013 at 9:41 AM Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.commailto:rob...@lauriston.com wrote: There's no free runtime help viewer? That would explain why no one uses that format. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: We’ve been in touch with Rob Chandler (creator of mshcMigrate) and he’s helped us realize that I might have been describing our challenge incorrectly. The developers are using VS 2010 to create an application that will run independently from Visual Studio, using .NET 4.0 as the framework. From everything we’ve read, it seems that MS Help Viewer only works if Visual Studio is installed; is that right? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Choosing a Help Format
Thanks for the suggestion, Grant, but I?m not clear on whether it supports Windows 7. We?ll look into it. Yup, Rob confirmed that MS Help Viewer only works with Visual Studio. So it looks like we?re stuck with MS HTML Help (.chm), which is a bit more modern than WinHelp. Eclipse Help and OmniHelp are also still in the running. We found that we can do a rudimentary context-sensitive help with any of them if we link to a URL and don?t try to link to a mid-page anchor. Thanks to everyone who responded. With your help, we are very close to making a decision. Fei Min From: grant at hedgewizard.net [mailto:gr...@hedgewizard.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:48 PM To: Robert Lauriston Cc: Fei Min Lorente; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format Not only that, but MS stopped support for the 32-bit help viewer. ( WinHlp32.exe) However, they do still distribute it http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607 , albeit with some fairly scary warnings. There is an alternative viewer: Help Explorer Viewer ( http://download.cnet.com/Help-Explorer-Viewer/3000-6675_4-1061.html) Grant Hogarth > On November 27, 2013 at 9:41 AM Robert Lauriston lauriston.com<mailto:robert at lauriston.com>> wrote: > > > There's no free runtime help viewer? That would explain why no one > uses that format. > > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Fei Min Lorente > mailto:FeiMin.Lorente at onsemi.com>> wrote: > > We?ve been in touch with Rob Chandler (creator of mshcMigrate) and he?s > > helped us realize that I might have been describing our challenge > > incorrectly. The developers are using VS 2010 to create an application that > > will run independently from Visual Studio, using .NET 4.0 as the framework. > > From everything we?ve read, it seems that MS Help Viewer only works if > > Visual Studio is installed; is that right? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20131128/1c4ac787/attachment.html>
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Thanks, Jack, but we?re using FrameMaker for the content creation and we?re not planning to move to Flare. Fei Min From: Jack DeLand [mailto:jackdel...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 10:46 AM To: Fei Min Lorente; grant at hedgewizard.net; 'Robert Lauriston' Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Choosing a Help Format I haven?t kept up with this thread; has anyone mentioned Flare Help Viewer? It is much more modern than CHM, and runs in .Net 4.0 (required). Worth a trial. Jack DeLand, CSM | 734 972 3026 (cell) | jack.deland (skype) | http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackdeland From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min Lorente Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:23 AM To: grant at hedgewizard.net<mailto:grant at hedgewizard.net>; Robert Lauriston Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: RE: Choosing a Help Format Thanks for the suggestion, Grant, but I?m not clear on whether it supports Windows 7. We?ll look into it. Yup, Rob confirmed that MS Help Viewer only works with Visual Studio. So it looks like we?re stuck with MS HTML Help (.chm), which is a bit more modern than WinHelp. Eclipse Help and OmniHelp are also still in the running. We found that we can do a rudimentary context-sensitive help with any of them if we link to a URL and don?t try to link to a mid-page anchor. Thanks to everyone who responded. With your help, we are very close to making a decision. Fei Min From: grant at hedgewizard.net<mailto:grant at hedgewizard.net> [mailto:gr...@hedgewizard.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:48 PM To: Robert Lauriston Cc: Fei Min Lorente; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format Not only that, but MS stopped support for the 32-bit help viewer. ( WinHlp32.exe) However, they do still distribute it http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607 , albeit with some fairly scary warnings. There is an alternative viewer: Help Explorer Viewer ( http://download.cnet.com/Help-Explorer-Viewer/3000-6675_4-1061.html) Grant Hogarth > On November 27, 2013 at 9:41 AM Robert Lauriston lauriston.com<mailto:robert at lauriston.com>> wrote: > > > There's no free runtime help viewer? That would explain why no one > uses that format. > > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Fei Min Lorente > mailto:FeiMin.Lorente at onsemi.com>> wrote: > > We?ve been in touch with Rob Chandler (creator of mshcMigrate) and he?s > > helped us realize that I might have been describing our challenge > > incorrectly. The developers are using VS 2010 to create an application that > > will run independently from Visual Studio, using .NET 4.0 as the framework. > > From everything we?ve read, it seems that MS Help Viewer only works if > > Visual Studio is installed; is that right? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20131128/4d8bb4d0/attachment.html>
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Thanks for reminding me about coordinating tag content with the developers. ☺ We’ve been in touch with Rob Chandler (creator of mshcMigrate) and he’s helped us realize that I might have been describing our challenge incorrectly. The developers are using VS 2010 to create an application that will run independently from Visual Studio, using .NET 4.0 as the framework. From everything we’ve read, it seems that MS Help Viewer only works if Visual Studio is installed; is that right? Fei Min From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 10:21 AM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format Fei Min, Yes, both Omnihelp and OracleHelp for Java are very fast and very flexible. Both the HTML Help Workshop help and Mif2Go Users Guide, discuss how to go about creating the tags necessary to make context-sensitive help work. The primary thing, from what i have have found, is the calls from the help to the application requires close coordination between the help and application developers to determine a mutually agreeable tag content. On Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:12 AM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: Okay, point taken. We won’t worry about all the HTML files being exposed in OmniHelp. And our software developer did notice how fast it was. So we’re looking at context-sensitive help to see if we can get that to work in MS Help Viewer or anything else. It’s not a requirement right now, especially if it’s going to add any significant time to the schedule, but I’m convinced that it’s a key feature that can enhance the user experience, and one of the few advantages that HTML can provide over PDF. If we don’t implement it this time around, I’d like to include it next time. Fei Min From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 7:43 AM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format Fei Min, Personally I think you are stabbing at windmills. It isn't all that difficult to decompile a CHM, make a change, and recompile. How many do? I produce OracleHelp for Java from Frame source. It also produces HTML for the content. It is delivered as server based, but there is nothing to prevent someone changing the HTML. Haven't heard of anyone doing it. Dave On Friday, November 22, 2013 12:43 PM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: Okay, that would explain why no one seems to be using Eclipse Help unless it's an Eclipse product. :-) We're concerned about the OmniHelp files on the theory that if people can do something, someone will. That could be a completely unfounded concern, so I'm glad to hear opinions to the contrary. Fei Min -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.commailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.commailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 12:26 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format I agree with Jeremy, standalone EclipseHelp is a huge and complicated distributable. It's not a practical format. I'm not sure if there's a use case where it would make sense. Why would users mess with your help files? On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: And we weren't worried about OmniHelp losing files; we are worried about users going in and messing with them. Is there any way to lock them down? We're very curious about using standalone Eclipse Help; has anyone here used it for a non-Eclipse-based product? If not, I'll take this question to the eclipse_tw group. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dspre...@yahoo.com.mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com.mailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Thanks for reminding me about coordinating tag content with the developers. ? We?ve been in touch with Rob Chandler (creator of mshcMigrate) and he?s helped us realize that I might have been describing our challenge incorrectly. The developers are using VS 2010 to create an application that will run independently from Visual Studio, using .NET 4.0 as the framework. From everything we?ve read, it seems that MS Help Viewer only works if Visual Studio is installed; is that right? Fei Min From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 10:21 AM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format Fei Min, Yes, both Omnihelp and OracleHelp for Java are very fast and very flexible. Both the HTML Help Workshop help and Mif2Go Users Guide, discuss how to go about creating the tags necessary to make context-sensitive help work. The primary thing, from what i have have found, is the calls from the help to the application requires close coordination between the help and application developers to determine a mutually agreeable tag content. On Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:12 AM, Fei Min Lorente mailto:FeiMin.Lorente at onsemi.com>> wrote: Okay, point taken. We won?t worry about all the HTML files being exposed in OmniHelp. And our software developer did notice how fast it was. So we?re looking at context-sensitive help to see if we can get that to work in MS Help Viewer or anything else. It?s not a requirement right now, especially if it?s going to add any significant time to the schedule, but I?m convinced that it?s a key feature that can enhance the user experience, and one of the few advantages that HTML can provide over PDF. If we don?t implement it this time around, I?d like to include it next time. Fei Min From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 7:43 AM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format Fei Min, Personally I think you are stabbing at windmills. It isn't all that difficult to decompile a CHM, make a change, and recompile. How many do? I produce OracleHelp for Java from Frame source. It also produces HTML for the content. It is delivered as server based, but there is nothing to prevent someone changing the HTML. Haven't heard of anyone doing it. Dave On Friday, November 22, 2013 12:43 PM, Fei Min Lorente mailto:FeiMin.Lorente at onsemi.com>> wrote: Okay, that would explain why no one seems to be using Eclipse Help unless it's an Eclipse product. :-) We're concerned about the OmniHelp files on the theory that if people can do something, someone will. That could be a completely unfounded concern, so I'm glad to hear opinions to the contrary. Fei Min -Original Message- From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com> [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com>] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 12:26 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format I agree with Jeremy, standalone EclipseHelp is a huge and complicated distributable. It's not a practical format. I'm not sure if there's a use case where it would make sense. Why would users mess with your help files? On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Fei Min Lorente mailto:FeiMin.Lorente at onsemi.com>> wrote: > And we weren't worried about OmniHelp losing files; we are worried about > users going in and messing with them. Is there any way to lock them down? > > We're very curious about using standalone Eclipse Help; has anyone here used > it for a non-Eclipse-based product? If not, I'll take this question to the > eclipse_tw group. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dspreadb at yahoo.com.<mailto:dspreadb at yahoo.com.> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com.> To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com> or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com.<mailto:listadmin at frameusers.com.> Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20131127/aff56aeb/attachment.html>
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Okay, point taken. We won't worry about all the HTML files being exposed in OmniHelp. And our software developer did notice how fast it was. So we're looking at context-sensitive help to see if we can get that to work in MS Help Viewer or anything else. It's not a requirement right now, especially if it's going to add any significant time to the schedule, but I'm convinced that it's a key feature that can enhance the user experience, and one of the few advantages that HTML can provide over PDF. If we don't implement it this time around, I'd like to include it next time. Fei Min From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 7:43 AM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format Fei Min, Personally I think you are stabbing at windmills. It isn't all that difficult to decompile a CHM, make a change, and recompile. How many do? I produce OracleHelp for Java from Frame source. It also produces HTML for the content. It is delivered as server based, but there is nothing to prevent someone changing the HTML. Haven't heard of anyone doing it. Dave On Friday, November 22, 2013 12:43 PM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: Okay, that would explain why no one seems to be using Eclipse Help unless it's an Eclipse product. :-) We're concerned about the OmniHelp files on the theory that if people can do something, someone will. That could be a completely unfounded concern, so I'm glad to hear opinions to the contrary. Fei Min -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.commailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.commailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 12:26 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format I agree with Jeremy, standalone EclipseHelp is a huge and complicated distributable. It's not a practical format. I'm not sure if there's a use case where it would make sense. Why would users mess with your help files? On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: And we weren't worried about OmniHelp losing files; we are worried about users going in and messing with them. Is there any way to lock them down? We're very curious about using standalone Eclipse Help; has anyone here used it for a non-Eclipse-based product? If not, I'll take this question to the eclipse_tw group. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dspre...@yahoo.com.mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com.mailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Okay, point taken. We won't worry about all the HTML files being exposed in OmniHelp. And our software developer did notice how fast it was. So we're looking at context-sensitive help to see if we can get that to work in MS Help Viewer or anything else. It's not a requirement right now, especially if it's going to add any significant time to the schedule, but I'm convinced that it's a key feature that can enhance the user experience, and one of the few advantages that HTML can provide over PDF. If we don't implement it this time around, I'd like to include it next time. Fei Min From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 7:43 AM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format Fei Min, Personally I think you are stabbing at windmills. It isn't all that difficult to decompile a CHM, make a change, and recompile. How many do? I produce OracleHelp for Java from Frame source. It also produces HTML for the content. It is delivered as server based, but there is nothing to prevent someone changing the HTML. Haven't heard of anyone doing it. Dave On Friday, November 22, 2013 12:43 PM, Fei Min Lorente mailto:FeiMin.Lorente at onsemi.com>> wrote: Okay, that would explain why no one seems to be using Eclipse Help unless it's an Eclipse product. :-) We're concerned about the OmniHelp files on the theory that if people can do something, someone will. That could be a completely unfounded concern, so I'm glad to hear opinions to the contrary. Fei Min -Original Message- From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com> [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com>] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 12:26 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format I agree with Jeremy, standalone EclipseHelp is a huge and complicated distributable. It's not a practical format. I'm not sure if there's a use case where it would make sense. Why would users mess with your help files? On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Fei Min Lorente mailto:FeiMin.Lorente at onsemi.com>> wrote: > And we weren't worried about OmniHelp losing files; we are worried about > users going in and messing with them. Is there any way to lock them down? > > We're very curious about using standalone Eclipse Help; has anyone here used > it for a non-Eclipse-based product? If not, I'll take this question to the > eclipse_tw group. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dspreadb at yahoo.com.<mailto:dspreadb at yahoo.com.> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com.<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com.> To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com> or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com.<mailto:listadmin at frameusers.com.> Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20131124/b22b9c08/attachment.html>
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Thanks, Jeremy. You're helpful as always. More clarification: we're planning to just set up a button or a menu item in the VS-based user interface that triggers the help system, and the help system will run in its own application not in VS, so we shouldn't be forced to use MS Help Viewer. And we weren't worried about OmniHelp losing files; we are worried about users going in and messing with them. Is there any way to lock them down? We're very curious about using standalone Eclipse Help; has anyone here used it for a non-Eclipse-based product? If not, I'll take this question to the eclipse_tw group. Fei Min -Original Message- From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 3:58 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: Fei Min Lorente Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:41:52 +, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: I've got documentation in structured FrameMaker 10 and Mif2Go. I've produced Eclipse Help routinely in the past, but for the first time, we're creating a user interface in Visual Studio. We want to integrate the Help so that a button or menu item in the UI will open a Help window, complete with a table of contents and search facility. An index would be nice, and context-sensitive links to the documentation would be nice, but are lower priority. If you want it to run within VS, you have only one choice: the current MS Help Viewer. The support group for it is mshelpvie...@yahoogroups.com; Rob Chandler runs it. We have current customers producing it with Mif2Go. More links to resources for it in the User's Guide, par. 7.1.1, Considering Help-system features. And I wouldn't worry about OmniHelp losing files, LOL! That use of small files is what makes it way faster than the alternatives. None ever get lost. ;-) But really, Help Viewer is the only one that works within VS as you want. MS has made very sure of that. g -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.comhttp://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Okay, that would explain why no one seems to be using Eclipse Help unless it's an Eclipse product. :-) We're concerned about the OmniHelp files on the theory that if people can do something, someone will. That could be a completely unfounded concern, so I'm glad to hear opinions to the contrary. Fei Min -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 12:26 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format I agree with Jeremy, standalone EclipseHelp is a huge and complicated distributable. It's not a practical format. I'm not sure if there's a use case where it would make sense. Why would users mess with your help files? On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: And we weren't worried about OmniHelp losing files; we are worried about users going in and messing with them. Is there any way to lock them down? We're very curious about using standalone Eclipse Help; has anyone here used it for a non-Eclipse-based product? If not, I'll take this question to the eclipse_tw group. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Thanks, Jeremy. You're helpful as always. More clarification: we're planning to just set up a button or a menu item in the VS-based user interface that triggers the help system, and the help system will run in its own application not in VS, so we shouldn't be forced to use MS Help Viewer. And we weren't worried about OmniHelp losing files; we are worried about users going in and messing with them. Is there any way to lock them down? We're very curious about using standalone Eclipse Help; has anyone here used it for a non-Eclipse-based product? If not, I'll take this question to the eclipse_tw group. Fei Min -Original Message- From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 3:58 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Cc: Fei Min Lorente Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:41:52 +, Fei Min Lorente wrote: >I've got documentation in structured FrameMaker 10 and Mif2Go. I've produced >Eclipse Help routinely in the past, but for the first time, we're creating a >user interface in Visual Studio. We want to integrate the Help so that a >button or menu item in the UI will open a Help window, complete with a table >of contents and search facility. An index would be nice, and context-sensitive >links to the documentation would be nice, but are lower priority. If you want it to run within VS, you have only one choice: the current MS Help Viewer. The support group for it is ; Rob Chandler runs it. We have current customers producing it with Mif2Go. More links to resources for it in the User's Guide, par. 7.1.1, "Considering Help-system features". And I wouldn't worry about OmniHelp "losing files", LOL! That use of small files is what makes it way faster than the alternatives. None ever get lost. ;-) But really, Help Viewer is the only one that works within VS as you want. MS has made very sure of that. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://mif2go.com/
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Okay, that would explain why no one seems to be using Eclipse Help unless it's an Eclipse product. :-) We're concerned about the OmniHelp files on the theory that if people can do something, someone will. That could be a completely unfounded concern, so I'm glad to hear opinions to the contrary. Fei Min -Original Message- From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 12:26 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format I agree with Jeremy, standalone EclipseHelp is a huge and complicated distributable. It's not a practical format. I'm not sure if there's a use case where it would make sense. Why would users mess with your help files? On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: > And we weren't worried about OmniHelp losing files; we are worried about > users going in and messing with them. Is there any way to lock them down? > > We're very curious about using standalone Eclipse Help; has anyone here used > it for a non-Eclipse-based product? If not, I'll take this question to the > eclipse_tw group.
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I've got documentation in structured FrameMaker 10 and Mif2Go. I've produced Eclipse Help routinely in the past, but for the first time, we're creating a user interface in Visual Studio. We want to integrate the Help so that a button or menu item in the UI will open a Help window, complete with a table of contents and search facility. An index would be nice, and context-sensitive links to the documentation would be nice, but are lower priority. The software is intended for Windows operating systems only, and it's supposed to be a standalone installation-no internet or network required. We are considering Microsoft HTML Help, but have a few concerns because it seems somewhat dated and lacking in active development on Microsoft's part. We are also considering standalone Eclipse Help because it's being maintained and we can leverage our previous experience, but we are somewhat daunted by its size and the fact that we couldn't find anyone using it when they aren't producing an Eclipse-based product. WebHelp requires us to buy RoboHelp, which isn't out of the question, but I'm not sure we can justify the cost because we don't need it to run cross-platform nor from a server, and our developer is a bit concerned about the uncompiled set of output files being too easy for customers to mess with. Could anyone suggest any other Help formats we should look at? Can anyone endorse a Help format or tell us which ones we should avoid? Can anyone (besides Jeremy :)) tell me about their experience with OmniHelp? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Choosing a Help Format
Not DITA. It's our own DTD. Fei Min -Original Message- From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:51 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format By structured, do you mean DITA or some other type of structured content? Nadine I’ve got documentation in structured FrameMaker 10 and Mif2Go. I’ve produced Eclipse Help routinely in the past, but for the first time, we’re creating a user interface in Visual Studio. We want to integrate the Help so that a button or menu item in the UI will open a Help window, complete with a table of contents and search facility. An index would be nice, and context-sensitive links to the documentation would be nice, but are lower priority. The software is intended for Windows operating systems only, and it’s supposed to be a standalone installation—no internet or network required. We are considering Microsoft HTML Help, but have a few concerns because it seems somewhat dated and lacking in active development on Microsoft’s part. We are also considering standalone Eclipse Help because it’s being maintained and we can leverage our previous experience, but we are somewhat daunted by its size and the fact that we couldn’t find anyone using it when they aren’t producing an Eclipse-based product. WebHelp requires us to buy RoboHelp, which isn’t out of the question, but I’m not sure we can justify the cost because we don’t need it to run cross-platform nor from a server, and our developer is a bit concerned about the uncompiled set of output files being too easy for customers to mess with. Could anyone suggest any other Help formats we should look at? Can anyone endorse a Help format or tell us which ones we should avoid? Can anyone (besides Jeremy J) tell me about their experience with OmniHelp? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Choosing a Help Format
We're using C# in Visual Studio. It's good to know that the index and context markers in FrameMaker will translate to OmniHelp. And yes, as an experiment, I output MS HTML Help from FM using Mif2Go, and aside from some configuration goofs on my part, it went very smoothly. We're looking at OmniHelp now, and we're kind of concerned about the number of HTML files it has to install. We're worried about one going missing or getting altered. Jeff, has performance been an issue with Adobe AIRHelp? I've heard that it's slow. And are you producing that with RoboHelp? Fei Min -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 2:01 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format If you've already got MIF2Go generating EclipseHelp, how your docs are structured is of no concern. Adding a second or third output format in MIF2Go is a very minor task compared with the first. On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: Not DITA. It's our own DTD. Fei Min -Original Message- From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:51 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format By structured, do you mean DITA or some other type of structured content? Nadine I've got documentation in structured FrameMaker 10 and Mif2Go. I've produced Eclipse Help routinely in the past, but for the first time, we're creating a user interface in Visual Studio. We want to integrate the Help so that a button or menu item in the UI will open a Help window, complete with a table of contents and search facility. An index would be nice, and context-sensitive links to the documentation would be nice, but are lower priority. The software is intended for Windows operating systems only, and it's supposed to be a standalone installation-no internet or network required. We are considering Microsoft HTML Help, but have a few concerns because it seems somewhat dated and lacking in active development on Microsoft's part. We are also considering standalone Eclipse Help because it's being maintained and we can leverage our previous experience, but we are somewhat daunted by its size and the fact that we couldn't find anyone using it when they aren't producing an Eclipse-based product. WebHelp requires us to buy RoboHelp, which isn't out of the question, but I'm not sure we can justify the cost because we don't need it to run cross-platform nor from a server, and our developer is a bit concerned about the uncompiled set of output files being too easy for customers to mess with. Could anyone suggest any other Help formats we should look at? Can anyone endorse a Help format or tell us which ones we should avoid? Can anyone (besides Jeremy J) tell me about their experience with OmniHelp? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rob...@lauriston.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/robert%40lauriston .com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Choosing a Help Format
I've got documentation in structured FrameMaker 10 and Mif2Go. I've produced Eclipse Help routinely in the past, but for the first time, we're creating a user interface in Visual Studio. We want to integrate the Help so that a button or menu item in the UI will open a Help window, complete with a table of contents and search facility. An index would be nice, and context-sensitive links to the documentation would be nice, but are lower priority. The software is intended for Windows operating systems only, and it's supposed to be a standalone installation-no internet or network required. We are considering Microsoft HTML Help, but have a few concerns because it seems somewhat dated and lacking in active development on Microsoft's part. We are also considering standalone Eclipse Help because it's being maintained and we can leverage our previous experience, but we are somewhat daunted by its size and the fact that we couldn't find anyone using it when they aren't producing an Eclipse-based product. WebHelp requires us to buy RoboHelp, which isn't out of the question, but I'm not sure we can justify the cost because we don't need it to run cross-platform nor from a server, and our developer is a bit concerned about the uncompiled set of output files being too easy for customers to mess with. Could anyone suggest any other Help formats we should look at? Can anyone endorse a Help format or tell us which ones we should avoid? Can anyone (besides Jeremy :)) tell me about their experience with OmniHelp? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lorente at onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lorente at onsemi.com> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com<http://www.onsemi.com/> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20131121/6d16f89b/attachment.html>
Choosing a Help Format
Not DITA. It's our own DTD. Fei Min -Original Message- From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:51 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format By "structured", do you mean DITA or some other type of structured content? Nadine > >I?ve got documentation in structured FrameMaker 10 and Mif2Go. I?ve produced >Eclipse Help routinely in the past, but for the first time, we?re creating a >user interface in Visual Studio. We want to integrate the Help so that a >button or menu item in the UI will open a Help window, complete with a table >of contents and search facility. An index would be nice, and context-sensitive >links to the documentation would be nice, but are lower priority. >? >The software is intended for Windows operating systems only, and it?s supposed >to be a standalone installation?no internet or network required. >? >We are considering Microsoft HTML Help, but have a few concerns because it >seems somewhat dated and lacking in active development on Microsoft?s part. We >are also considering standalone Eclipse Help because it?s being maintained and >we can leverage our previous experience, but we are somewhat daunted by its >size and the fact that we couldn?t find anyone using it when they aren?t >producing an Eclipse-based product. WebHelp requires us to buy RoboHelp, which >isn?t out of the question, but I?m not sure we can justify the cost because we >don?t need it to run cross-platform nor from a server, and our developer is a >bit concerned about the uncompiled set of output files being too easy for >customers to mess with. Could anyone suggest any other Help formats we should >look at? Can anyone endorse a Help format or tell us which ones we should >avoid? Can anyone (besides Jeremy J) tell me about their experience with >OmniHelp? >? >Fei Min Lorente >Senior Technical Communicator >Medical and Wireless Division >feimin.lorente at onsemi.com >+1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office >+1 519-831-4931 | mobile >+1 905-631-5724 | fax >www.onsemi.com
Choosing a Help Format
We're using C# in Visual Studio. It's good to know that the index and context markers in FrameMaker will translate to OmniHelp. And yes, as an experiment, I output MS HTML Help from FM using Mif2Go, and aside from some configuration goofs on my part, it went very smoothly. We're looking at OmniHelp now, and we're kind of concerned about the number of HTML files it has to install. We're worried about one going missing or getting altered. Jeff, has performance been an issue with Adobe AIRHelp? I've heard that it's slow. And are you producing that with RoboHelp? Fei Min -Original Message- From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 2:01 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format If you've already got MIF2Go generating EclipseHelp, how your docs are structured is of no concern. Adding a second or third output format in MIF2Go is a very minor task compared with the first. On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: > Not DITA. It's our own DTD. > > Fei Min > > -Original Message- > From: Writer [mailto:generic668 at yahoo.ca] > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:51 PM > To: Fei Min Lorente; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Choosing a Help Format > > By "structured", do you mean DITA or some other type of structured content? > > Nadine > >> >>I've got documentation in structured FrameMaker 10 and Mif2Go. I've produced >>Eclipse Help routinely in the past, but for the first time, we're creating a >>user interface in Visual Studio. We want to integrate the Help so that a >>button or menu item in the UI will open a Help window, complete with a table >>of contents and search facility. An index would be nice, and >>context-sensitive links to the documentation would be nice, but are lower >>priority. >> >>The software is intended for Windows operating systems only, and it's >>supposed to be a standalone installation-no internet or network required. >> >>We are considering Microsoft HTML Help, but have a few concerns because it >>seems somewhat dated and lacking in active development on Microsoft's part. >>We are also considering standalone Eclipse Help because it's being maintained >>and we can leverage our previous experience, but we are somewhat daunted by >>its size and the fact that we couldn't find anyone using it when they aren't >>producing an Eclipse-based product. WebHelp requires us to buy RoboHelp, >>which isn't out of the question, but I'm not sure we can justify the cost >>because we don't need it to run cross-platform nor from a server, and our >>developer is a bit concerned about the uncompiled set of output files being >>too easy for customers to mess with. Could anyone suggest any other Help >>formats we should look at? Can anyone endorse a Help format or tell us which >>ones we should avoid? Can anyone (besides Jeremy J) tell me about their >>experience with OmniHelp? >> >>Fei Min Lorente >>Senior Technical Communicator >>Medical and Wireless Division >>feimin.lorente at onsemi.com >>+1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office >>+1 519-831-4931 | mobile >>+1 905-631-5724 | fax >>www.onsemi.com > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as robert at lauriston.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/robert%40lauriston > .com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise
Thanks for the advice, everyone, but with the help of Klaus Mueller, I got the shortcut keys I’m looking for. Here’s a copy of part of the email he sent me: ■Generally, you can find the default shortcuts for FM commands in the config files \fminit\configui\cmds.cfg or \fminit\configui\wincmds.cfg. ■The shortcuts for those 2 commands are (in English FM versions): –Graphics: • Rotate 90 Degrees Clockwise: Esc g+ • Rotate 90 Degrees Counterclockwise: Esc g- –Page: • Rotate Page Clockwise: Esc pO • Rotate Page Counterclockwise: Esc po He’s got a FrameScript script called “Report Commands” that generates a list of shortcut definitions for whatever FrameMaker you have installed, so if you have custom ones, it’ll list those, too. I tried the rotate page ones and they work. Fei Min From: Heiko Haida [mailto:i...@heiko-haida.de] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:35 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; Framers Subject: RE: Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise Hello Fei Min, you are probably right with presuming that there is no way to apply the rotate page command to more that just the actual page. I could not find any hint about this. Of course you could: Remap the command to a different, shorter shortcut. Or: Add the command to a menu. All this would not solve your problem, I think. a) One way would be to write a short program (e.g. with framescript or with Extendscript) that lets you enter the relevant pages and either rotates them this way or back. (Unfortunately I am no help in writing this tool.) b) I thing the best approach is to work with a rotated master page, as was already mentioned: You should define one new master page with landscape orientation and a main text frame in it in the appropriate size, in a comfortable view for editing. It is not necessary to add headers and footers unless these were also continuous textflows. Nor is it necessary to create different left and right pages, as you would only use the page temporariliy. As you are obviously working with structured applications, this new page should be applied to your template, so that it becomes available in each document that you generate. This done, you can apply the master page to the page range where the index is located with a single command (in the master page menu). Then you would edit the content. The you would reapply the master pages that are intended to be used here. Probably you have to distinguish between right and left pages, so this time you would need two actions to get back to the original format. And thats it... c) Other solutions are: -- You could use a screen that can be rotated... I have one, but with a configuration like this (screen rotated, content editable but not *really* rotated), it takes some skill to move the cursor, either with a mouse or with the arrow keys... -- Or you could use the landscape orientation page as a standard for your index pages and not the 8x11 inch portrait master pages. Depending on what the purpose is, you may then e.g. simply rotate the pages in the final PDF as the very last step. This would also be helpful for reviewing the content meanwhile in the PDF. In Acrobat, the rotation is only one single command for a page range. Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin Fei Min Lorente: Oh, I see the confusion. Okay, I have an 8.5 x 11 book, so all the pages are the same size. For this appendix, the first couple of pages and the last page are normal portrait. The tables in between these pages are rotated so that the top is always at the left and the bottom is always at the right, but the header and footer are still at the top and bottom edges (short sides of the page). The master pages are applied by a structured master page map which triggers on an attribute value. If there is a quick, easily reversible way to rotate all the pages so I can edit them, then rotate them all back, I'd be okay with that too. They are contiguous. But I tried selecting all the pages and it only lets me highlight one at a time. Maybe messing with the master page is the best option? Fei Min -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.commailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.commailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:32 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise Maybe I don't understand what you're trying to do. I thought you meant landscape pages. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: I did. So they're showing up sideways, but I can't edit them that way. Do you mean unrotate the master pages and apply them temporarily so I can edit? Fei Min -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.commailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com
Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise
Thanks for the advice, everyone, but with the help of Klaus Mueller, I got the shortcut keys I?m looking for. Here?s a copy of part of the email he sent me: ?Generally, you can find the default shortcuts for FM commands in the config files "\fminit\configui\cmds.cfg" or "\fminit\configui\wincmds.cfg". ?The shortcuts for those 2 commands are (in English FM versions): ?Graphics: ? Rotate 90 Degrees Clockwise: Esc g+ ? Rotate 90 Degrees Counterclockwise: Esc g- ?Page: ? Rotate Page Clockwise: Esc pO ? Rotate Page Counterclockwise: Esc po He?s got a FrameScript script called ?Report Commands? that generates a list of shortcut definitions for whatever FrameMaker you have installed, so if you have custom ones, it?ll list those, too. I tried the rotate page ones and they work. Fei Min From: Heiko Haida [mailto:i...@heiko-haida.de] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:35 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; Framers Subject: RE: Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise Hello Fei Min, you are probably right with presuming that there is no way to apply the "rotate page" command to more that just the actual page. I could not find any hint about this. Of course you could: Remap the command to a different, shorter shortcut. Or: Add the command to a menu. All this would not solve your problem, I think. a) One way would be to write a short program (e.g. with framescript or with Extendscript) that lets you enter the relevant pages and either rotates them this way or back. (Unfortunately I am no help in writing this tool.) b) I thing the best approach is to work with a rotated master page, as was already mentioned: You should define one new master page with landscape orientation and a main text frame in it in the appropriate size, in a comfortable view for editing. It is not necessary to add headers and footers unless these were also continuous textflows. Nor is it necessary to create different left and right pages, as you would only use the page temporariliy. As you are obviously working with structured applications, this new page should be applied to your template, so that it becomes available in each document that you generate. This done, you can apply the master page to the page range where the index is located with a single command (in the master page menu). Then you would edit the content. The you would reapply the master pages that are intended to be used here. Probably you have to distinguish between right and left pages, so this time you would need two actions to get back to the original format. And thats it... c) Other solutions are: -- You could use a screen that can be rotated... I have one, but with a configuration like this (screen rotated, content editable but not *really* rotated), it takes some skill to move the cursor, either with a mouse or with the arrow keys... -- Or you could use the landscape orientation page as a standard for your index pages and not the 8x11 inch portrait master pages. Depending on what the purpose is, you may then e.g. simply rotate the pages in the final PDF as the very last step. This would also be helpful for reviewing the content meanwhile in the PDF. In Acrobat, the rotation is only one single command for a page range. Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin Fei Min Lorente: Oh, I see the confusion. Okay, I have an 8.5 x 11 book, so all the pages are the same size. For this appendix, the first couple of pages and the last page are normal portrait. The tables in between these pages are rotated so that the top is always at the left and the bottom is always at the right, but the header and footer are still at the top and bottom edges (short sides of the page). The master pages are applied by a structured master page map which triggers on an attribute value. If there is a quick, easily reversible way to rotate all the pages so I can edit them, then rotate them all back, I'd be okay with that too. They are contiguous. But I tried selecting all the pages and it only lets me highlight one at a time. Maybe messing with the master page is the best option? Fei Min -Original Message- From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com> [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com>] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:32 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: Re: Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise Maybe I don't understand what you're trying to do. I thought you meant landscape pages. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Fei Min Lorente mailto:FeiMin.Lorente at onsemi.com>> wrote: I did. So they're showing up sideways, but I can't edit them that way. Do you mean unrotate the master pages and apply them temporarily so I can edit? Fei Min -Original Message- From:
RE: Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise
I did. So they're showing up sideways, but I can't edit them that way. Do you mean unrotate the master pages and apply them temporarily so I can edit? Fei Min -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 3:36 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise Instead of manually rotating pages, you should define a rotated master page. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: I'm using FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7. I have a lot of sideways pages that I have to rotate 90 degrees to be able to edit, and I'm getting tired of going Format Customize Rotate Page Clockwise. I've checked the Help and the FrameMaker forum, and just a plain Google search. I can't find the shortcut keys for these menu items. Can anyone tell me what they are? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rob...@lauriston.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/robert%40lauriston .com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise
Oh, I see the confusion. Okay, I have an 8.5 x 11 book, so all the pages are the same size. For this appendix, the first couple of pages and the last page are normal portrait. The tables in between these pages are rotated so that the top is always at the left and the bottom is always at the right, but the header and footer are still at the top and bottom edges (short sides of the page). The master pages are applied by a structured master page map which triggers on an attribute value. If there is a quick, easily reversible way to rotate all the pages so I can edit them, then rotate them all back, I'd be okay with that too. They are contiguous. But I tried selecting all the pages and it only lets me highlight one at a time. Maybe messing with the master page is the best option? Fei Min -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:32 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise Maybe I don't understand what you're trying to do. I thought you meant landscape pages. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: I did. So they're showing up sideways, but I can't edit them that way. Do you mean unrotate the master pages and apply them temporarily so I can edit? Fei Min -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 3:36 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise Instead of manually rotating pages, you should define a rotated master page. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise
I'm using FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7. I have a lot of "sideways" pages that I have to rotate 90 degrees to be able to edit, and I'm getting tired of going Format > Customize > Rotate Page Clockwise. I've checked the Help and the FrameMaker forum, and just a plain Google search. I can't find the shortcut keys for these menu items. Can anyone tell me what they are? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division feimin.lorente at onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lorente at onsemi.com> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com<http://www.onsemi.com/> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20131015/f51f2d9a/attachment.html>
Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise
I did. So they're showing up sideways, but I can't edit them that way. Do you mean unrotate the master pages and apply them temporarily so I can edit? Fei Min -Original Message- From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 3:36 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise Instead of manually rotating pages, you should define a rotated master page. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: > I'm using FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7. I have a lot of "sideways" pages > that I have to rotate 90 degrees to be able to edit, and I'm getting > tired of going Format > Customize > Rotate Page Clockwise. I've > checked the Help and the FrameMaker forum, and just a plain Google > search. I can't find the shortcut keys for these menu items. Can anyone tell > me what they are? > > > > Fei Min Lorente > > Senior Technical Communicator > > Medical Division > > feimin.lorente at onsemi.com > > +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office > > +1 519-831-4931 | mobile > > +1 905-631-5724 | fax > > www.onsemi.com > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as robert at lauriston.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/robert%40lauriston > .com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise
Oh, I see the confusion. Okay, I have an 8.5 x 11 book, so all the pages are the same size. For this appendix, the first couple of pages and the last page are normal portrait. The tables in between these pages are rotated so that the top is always at the left and the bottom is always at the right, but the header and footer are still at the top and bottom edges (short sides of the page). The master pages are applied by a structured master page map which triggers on an attribute value. If there is a quick, easily reversible way to rotate all the pages so I can edit them, then rotate them all back, I'd be okay with that too. They are contiguous. But I tried selecting all the pages and it only lets me highlight one at a time. Maybe messing with the master page is the best option? Fei Min -Original Message- From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:32 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise Maybe I don't understand what you're trying to do. I thought you meant landscape pages. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: > I did. So they're showing up sideways, but I can't edit them that way. Do you > mean unrotate the master pages and apply them temporarily so I can edit? > > Fei Min > > -Original Message- > From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com] > On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 3:36 PM > To: Fei Min Lorente; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise > > Instead of manually rotating pages, you should define a rotated master page.
Re: Eclipse Help from Frame books
Hi Alastair: I'm currently using Mif2Go to convert my FrameMaker books to Eclipse User Assistance. I've been using it for about 10 years now. I tried out WebWorks ePublisher about 5 years ago, and I found it wasn't quite as flexible as Mif2Go when it came to organizing the Eclipse UA XML files for tables of contents, but it might have improved by now. If you want more information about developing documentation for Eclipse UA, you can join this discussion group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eclipse_tw/messages/101 Fei Min Lorente -Original Message- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 16:41:52 -0400 From: Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com To: Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Eclipse Help from Frame books Message-ID: CAOW=E1frUobUV+U=6uiwO=fgjh-ww7fhwkgpdu63hqb04sw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jeremy is correct -- MIF2GO is pretty much the easiest and least painful way to do this. Once everything is set up for the Eclipse project, it's automatic / one-click. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com wrote: Has anyone tried generating Eclipse help directly from Frame books? Alastair Dent Technical Author Imagination Technologies Limited t: +44 (0)113 242 9814 www.imgtec.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gma il.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 12:37:06 -0700 From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Eclipse Help from Frame books Message-ID: can3yy4ahjmsu0ugygeywb-kll5m+myfox_davuwqexkj0ja...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIF2Go worked for me a few years ago. WebWorks ePublisher can also now generate Eclipse Help from FrameMaker source. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:37 AM, Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com wrote: Has anyone tried generating Eclipse help directly from Frame books? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Eclipse Help from Frame books
Hi Alastair: I'm currently using Mif2Go to convert my FrameMaker books to Eclipse User Assistance. I've been using it for about 10 years now. I tried out WebWorks ePublisher about 5 years ago, and I found it wasn't quite as flexible as Mif2Go when it came to organizing the Eclipse UA XML files for tables of contents, but it might have improved by now. If you want more information about developing documentation for Eclipse UA, you can join this discussion group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eclipse_tw/messages/101 Fei Min Lorente -Original Message- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 16:41:52 -0400 From: Art Campbell <art.campb...@gmail.com> To: Alastair Dent Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" Subject: Re: Eclipse Help from Frame books Message-ID:
Mysterious Color9 being added to FrameMaker files
There's a FrameMaker user here (FrameMaker 10, Windows XP) who is getting a color definition called Color9 added to some of his files, and he's not going into the color menu and defining it. He notices the problems when he updates the book and it says the color definition is inconsistent. We've been fixing it by just deleting that color definition, but we're kind of curious about why it keeps popping up. We're using structured FrameMaker, and we do import XML files sometimes, but these aren't one of them. However, he does sometimes copy bits from Outlook, other FrameMaker files, or the PDF review copy which has reviewer's markups on it. Would any of these be a possible source of the mysterious Color9? Fei Min --- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Mysterious Color9 being added to FrameMaker files
There's a FrameMaker user here (FrameMaker 10, Windows XP) who is getting a color definition called Color9 added to some of his files, and he's not going into the color menu and defining it. He notices the problems when he updates the book and it says the color definition is inconsistent. We've been fixing it by just deleting that color definition, but we're kind of curious about why it keeps popping up. We're using structured FrameMaker, and we do import XML files sometimes, but these aren't one of them. However, he does sometimes copy bits from Outlook, other FrameMaker files, or the PDF review copy which has reviewer's markups on it. Would any of these be a possible source of the mysterious Color9? Fei Min --- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lorente at onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lorente at onsemi.com> +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com --- -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130610/724de9fd/attachment.html>
Duplicate Flow Tag
I'm using FrameMaker 10 on Windows XP. I have a structured FrameMaker file that somehow got a duplicate flow tag, and as a result, the document compare won't work properly: The document named New.fm contains multiple flows with the same name (A). These flows will be ignored when the documents are compared. Continue with the comparison? I'd like to get rid of the duplicate flow tag, so I checked the documentation about connecting text frames (Format Customize Layout Connect Text Frames), but when I try to do that, I get Cannot change text frame connections. Flow is structured. Occasionally, I also get OK to use a text frame that isn't visible? So I'm worried that there are invisible text frames in there that are also called Flow A. If that's possible, how do I find them and delete them? Fei Min --- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Duplicate Flow Tag
Thanks, Rick and Matt. I thought about just copying the content to my template because I'm confident it is clean, but I thought I would try to find the offending item first. Matt suggested showing all conditional text, then doing a Select All to see what didn't get selected. I was giving up hope until I found two blank pages at the end. I deleted them, and the duplicate flow tags have gone away. Thank you! Fei Min From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 11:12 AM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Duplicate Flow Tag Hi Fei Min, You might try opening a copy of your structured template and copy/paste the content from the other document. Save the document and try the compare again. Maybe the duplicate flow is not in the template but just in that particular document. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 r...@frameexpert.commailto:r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min Lorente Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 10:40 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Duplicate Flow Tag I'm using FrameMaker 10 on Windows XP. I have a structured FrameMaker file that somehow got a duplicate flow tag, and as a result, the document compare won't work properly: The document named New.fm contains multiple flows with the same name (A). These flows will be ignored when the documents are compared. Continue with the comparison? I'd like to get rid of the duplicate flow tag, so I checked the documentation about connecting text frames (Format Customize Layout Connect Text Frames), but when I try to do that, I get Cannot change text frame connections. Flow is structured. Occasionally, I also get OK to use a text frame that isn't visible? So I'm worried that there are invisible text frames in there that are also called Flow A. If that's possible, how do I find them and delete them? Fei Min --- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Duplicate Flow Tag
I'm using FrameMaker 10 on Windows XP. I have a structured FrameMaker file that somehow got a duplicate flow tag, and as a result, the document compare won't work properly: "The document named New.fm contains multiple flows with the same name (A). These flows will be ignored when the documents are compared. Continue with the comparison?" I'd like to get rid of the duplicate flow tag, so I checked the documentation about connecting text frames (Format > Customize Layout > Connect Text Frames), but when I try to do that, I get "Cannot change text frame connections. Flow is structured." Occasionally, I also get "OK to use a text frame that isn't visible?" So I'm worried that there are invisible text frames in there that are also called Flow A. If that's possible, how do I find them and delete them? Fei Min ----------- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lorente at onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lorente at onsemi.com> +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com --- -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130531/f8323597/attachment.html>
Duplicate Flow Tag
Thanks, Rick and Matt. I thought about just copying the content to my template because I'm confident it is clean, but I thought I would try to find the offending item first. Matt suggested showing all conditional text, then doing a Select All to see what didn't get selected. I was giving up hope until I found two blank pages at the end. I deleted them, and the duplicate flow tags have gone away. Thank you! Fei Min From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 11:12 AM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Duplicate Flow Tag Hi Fei Min, You might try opening a copy of your structured template and copy/paste the content from the other document. Save the document and try the compare again. Maybe the duplicate flow is not in the template but just in that particular document. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 rick at frameexpert.com<mailto:rick at frameexpert.com> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min Lorente Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 10:40 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: Duplicate Flow Tag I'm using FrameMaker 10 on Windows XP. I have a structured FrameMaker file that somehow got a duplicate flow tag, and as a result, the document compare won't work properly: "The document named New.fm contains multiple flows with the same name (A). These flows will be ignored when the documents are compared. Continue with the comparison?" I'd like to get rid of the duplicate flow tag, so I checked the documentation about connecting text frames (Format > Customize Layout > Connect Text Frames), but when I try to do that, I get "Cannot change text frame connections. Flow is structured." Occasionally, I also get "OK to use a text frame that isn't visible?" So I'm worried that there are invisible text frames in there that are also called Flow A. If that's possible, how do I find them and delete them? Fei Min --------------- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lorente at onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lorente at onsemi.com> +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com --- -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130531/afb1a325/attachment.html>
RE: Inconsistent Conditional Text Settings that won't go away
Thanks Anita and Matt! I totally forgot that copying conditions will only add the ones that are in the source file, not delete extras that are in the target! I cleaned all the conditions out of my TOC file and imported them again from the cover page file and life is good again. I'll go tidy up my templates now, too. Fei Min From: Gutierrez, Anita [mailto:anita.gutier...@sage.com] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 3:39 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Inconsistent Conditional Text Settings that won't go away Hi Fei Min, Importing conditional text settings from one file to another only affects the conditions that are present in the source file. So, let's say you have a condition Condition1 that is present in the TOC, and is set to Hide. Condition1 is not present in the cover page, so importing conditional text settings won't affect this condition in the TOC. If later files have Condition1 set to Show, you get the book errors. To avoid this type of error, I try to keep the number of conditions in my templates to a minimum. When I'm working on a new book that requires a condition, I set the condition up in the first file, and then import conditional text settings from that file into every other file in the book. Good luck! Anita From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min Lorente Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 11:51 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Inconsistent Conditional Text Settings that won't go away When I update some of my manuals, I get Show/Hide setting for _ is inconsistent. on my TOC file. I import the conditional text settings from the cover page file to the TOC, update the book again, and I still get the errors. But if I import the conditional text settings from the TOC to the rest of the manual, the errors go away. Does anyone have any explanations for this behavior? Fortunately, I'm not using the native conditional text settings right now, but if I cared about them, this would be a problem. I'm currently using FrameMaker 10 on Windows XP SP3, but I started seeing this problem in the last few months on FrameMaker 7.2, just before we switched over. Fei Min --- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Inconsistent Conditional Text Settings that won't go away
Thanks Anita and Matt! I totally forgot that copying conditions will only add the ones that are in the source file, not delete extras that are in the target! I cleaned all the conditions out of my TOC file and imported them again from the cover page file and life is good again. I'll go tidy up my templates now, too. Fei Min From: Gutierrez, Anita [mailto:anita.gutier...@sage.com] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 3:39 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Inconsistent Conditional Text Settings that won't go away Hi Fei Min, Importing conditional text settings from one file to another only affects the conditions that are present in the source file. So, let's say you have a condition "Condition1" that is present in the TOC, and is set to "Hide." "Condition1" is not present in the cover page, so importing conditional text settings won't affect this condition in the TOC. If later files have "Condition1" set to "Show," you get the book errors. To avoid this type of error, I try to keep the number of conditions in my templates to a minimum. When I'm working on a new book that requires a condition, I set the condition up in the first file, and then import conditional text settings from that file into every other file in the book. Good luck! Anita From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min Lorente Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 11:51 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Inconsistent Conditional Text Settings that won't go away When I update some of my manuals, I get "Show/Hide setting for _ is inconsistent." on my TOC file. I import the conditional text settings from the cover page file to the TOC, update the book again, and I still get the errors. But if I import the conditional text settings from the TOC to the rest of the manual, the errors go away. Does anyone have any explanations for this behavior? Fortunately, I'm not using the native conditional text settings right now, but if I cared about them, this would be a problem. I'm currently using FrameMaker 10 on Windows XP SP3, but I started seeing this problem in the last few months on FrameMaker 7.2, just before we switched over. Fei Min ------- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lorente at onsemi.com +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com --- -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130115/347e3de5/attachment.html>
RE: LaTeX to MIF/MML
Hi Steve: I haven't done a LaTex to FrameMaker conversion since 2003, but I think I used la2mml (http://tug.org/utilities/texconv/la2mml.html) after investigating a couple of other options. The only impediment I encountered is that FrameMaker doesn't allow you to have a table within a table (at least, not in FrameMaker 7.1), so if you have that in LaTex, you might have to fiddle with the source a bit. I seem to remember it worked fairly well, with the expected clean-up after. Fei Min Lorente --- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:34:26 + From: Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: LaTeX to MIF/MML Message-ID: p06240801cd19f0988648@[192.168.0.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I quizzed the group about this back on '07, but the issue has come up again, so it seemed worth fishing for fresh information. Has anyone been involved in this type of conversion recently? Previous discussions seems to center around needing deep TeX and programming ability, neither of which I would have the time, patience or budget for. -- Steve -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers. To unsubscribe send a blank email to http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. End of framers Digest, Vol 87, Issue 13 *** ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Inconsistent Conditional Text Settings that won't go away
When I update some of my manuals, I get Show/Hide setting for _ is inconsistent. on my TOC file. I import the conditional text settings from the cover page file to the TOC, update the book again, and I still get the errors. But if I import the conditional text settings from the TOC to the rest of the manual, the errors go away. Does anyone have any explanations for this behavior? Fortunately, I'm not using the native conditional text settings right now, but if I cared about them, this would be a problem. I'm currently using FrameMaker 10 on Windows XP SP3, but I started seeing this problem in the last few months on FrameMaker 7.2, just before we switched over. Fei Min --- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lore...@onsemi.com mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com http://www.onsemi.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
LaTeX to MIF/MML
Hi Steve: I haven't done a LaTex to FrameMaker conversion since 2003, but I think I used la2mml (http://tug.org/utilities/texconv/la2mml.html) after investigating a couple of other options. The only impediment I encountered is that FrameMaker doesn't allow you to have a table within a table (at least, not in FrameMaker 7.1), so if you have that in LaTex, you might have to fiddle with the source a bit. I seem to remember it worked fairly well, with the expected clean-up after. Fei Min Lorente --- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:34:26 + From: Steve Rickaby <srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: LaTeX to MIF/MML Message-ID: <p06240801cd19f0988648@[192.168.0.4]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I quizzed the group about this back on '07, but the issue has come up again, so it seemed worth fishing for fresh information. Has anyone been involved in this type of conversion recently? Previous discussions seems to center around needing deep TeX and programming ability, neither of which I would have the time, patience or budget for. -- Steve -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers. To unsubscribe send a blank email to http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. End of framers Digest, Vol 87, Issue 13 ***
Inconsistent Conditional Text Settings that won't go away
When I update some of my manuals, I get "Show/Hide setting for _ is inconsistent." on my TOC file. I import the conditional text settings from the cover page file to the TOC, update the book again, and I still get the errors. But if I import the conditional text settings from the TOC to the rest of the manual, the errors go away. Does anyone have any explanations for this behavior? Fortunately, I'm not using the native conditional text settings right now, but if I cared about them, this would be a problem. I'm currently using FrameMaker 10 on Windows XP SP3, but I started seeing this problem in the last few months on FrameMaker 7.2, just before we switched over. Fei Min ----------- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lorente at onsemi.com <mailto:feimin.lorente at onsemi.com> +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com <http://www.onsemi.com> --- -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130114/40c3bc32/attachment.html>
Do FrameMaker files automatically get updated when you print as PDF?
Trying to get an autobuild system to work with FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7, with Acrobat X. Producing PDF and Eclipse User Assistance output through Mif2Go. The build scripts appear to work for all the book files, but we are getting failures on a couple of files that are single .fm files, not part of books. So we're thinking of making the processing conditional so that we don't run an update book on single files. However, some of those single files might contain internal cross-references. So my question is this: when we print to PDF (using Mif2Go), will those cross-references get updated automatically? Basically, do we have to worry about updating references before generating the output files when it's not a book file? Fei Min --- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lore...@onsemi.com mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com http://www.onsemi.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Do FrameMaker files automatically get updated when you print as PDF?
Trying to get an autobuild system to work with FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7, with Acrobat X. Producing PDF and Eclipse User Assistance output through Mif2Go. The build scripts appear to work for all the book files, but we are getting failures on a couple of files that are single .fm files, not part of books. So we're thinking of making the processing conditional so that we don't run an "update book" on single files. However, some of those single files might contain internal cross-references. So my question is this: when we print to PDF (using Mif2Go), will those cross-references get updated automatically? Basically, do we have to worry about updating references before generating the output files when it's not a book file? Fei Min ----------- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lorente at onsemi.com <mailto:feimin.lorente at onsemi.com> +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com <http://www.onsemi.com> --- -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20121207/78b4c3bf/attachment.html>
Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10
I was really surprised by the thread in the link below. I?d heard that Adobe added cookbooks and samples to the more recent versions of FrameMaker to help people get started with structure, and especially DITA. Is that all hype and no substance? Are you still hearing that people have trouble using DITA out of the box with FrameMaker 10? Fei Min From: messages-noreply at bounce.linkedin.com [mailto:messages-nore...@bounce.linkedin.com] On Behalf Of Technical Writer Forum Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 5:31 PM To: Fei Min Lorente Subject: New comment on "XML & Technical Writing: How many of you use XML in technical writing?" LinkedIn Groups * Group: Technical Writer Forum * Discussion: XML & Technical Writing: How many of you use XML in technical writing? <http://www.linkedin.com/e/-vetoub-h2cc2rfl-6j/vaq/115903222/112571/81110884/view_disc/?hs=false=3ZMgSsynMG5Rg1> I tried to figure out how to create a DITA project in structured FrameMaker 10. I was unable to find any entry-level documentation or sample projects suitable for learning: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4118558 <http://www.linkedin.com/e/-vetoub-h2cc2rfl-6j/plh/http%3A%2F%2Fforums%2Eadobe%2Ecom%2Fmessage%2F4118558/-RQt/?hs=false=1CSZNwYKoG5Rg1> I'm sure I could figure out how to do it if I had to, but if somebody's paying me for my time, it would probably be more cost-effective to buy Oxygen. Posted by Robert Lauriston Like this comment ? <http://www.linkedin.com/e/csrfPINz/-vetoub-h2cc2rfl-6j/lvc/112571/115903222/member/81110884/true/grp_email_like_post/?hs=false=0SFsKQowoG5Rg1> Comment ? <http://www.linkedin.com/e/-vetoub-h2cc2rfl-6j/vaq/115903222/112571/81110884/view_disc/?hs=false=3ZMgSsynMG5Rg1> Stop Following Discussion ? <http://www.linkedin.com/e/csrfv-SI/-vetoub-h2cc2rfl-6j/ufv/112571/115903222/member/true/grp_email_unfollow_post/?hs=false=2xp8yugRwG5Rg1> NEW Now you can comment by replying to this email. LinkedIn values your privacy. At no time has LinkedIn made your email address available to any other LinkedIn user without your permission. ?2012, LinkedIn Corporation. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120517/8e1d4efc/attachment.html>
Activating and Deactivating FM 10 License
Hi folks: Back when Adobe started requiring activation for FrameMaker (maybe for FM8?), I remember people complaining that if they wanted to switch between using their desktop and using their laptop, they had to call Adobe every time. Is that still true? What is the procedure for activating a license? Then if you want to transfer that license to someone else in your company (because jobs change or people leave), what would you have to do with Adobe? Fei Min --- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lore...@onsemi.com mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com http://www.onsemi.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Activating and Deactivating FM 10 License
Hi folks: Back when Adobe started requiring activation for FrameMaker (maybe for FM8?), I remember people complaining that if they wanted to switch between using their desktop and using their laptop, they had to call Adobe every time. Is that still true? What is the procedure for activating a license? Then if you want to transfer that license to someone else in your company (because jobs change or people leave), what would you have to do with Adobe? Fei Min --- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lorente at onsemi.com <mailto:feimin.lorente at onsemi.com> +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com <http://www.onsemi.com> --- -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120430/cbdd5f8d/attachment.html>
RE: Enabling a PDF for comments from FrameMaker Settings
Thanks Shlomo and Rick for the replies. We'll probably recommend that our customer use Reader X; we don't want to spend a lot of money just for one customer. I forgot to mention that we tested the files using Reader 9, our company standard, so that's why I didn't know about commenting in version X. Fei Min -Original Message- From: Shlomo Perets [mailto:shlo...@microtype.com] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 1:21 AM To: Fei Min Lorente Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; frame2acro...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Enabling a PDF for comments from FrameMaker Settings Fei Min, You wrote: ... I then found out that people who are using Reader cannot comment on the files unless I enable commenting in Acrobat. With the free *Adobe Reader X*, end users can use two commenting tools (sticky notes and highlight text), independently of how the PDF was created, as long as the PDF does not have security settings that prevent commenting -- see http://acrobat.solutions.adobe.com/content/areaderx_ipm1_en Is there a way to enable commenting using any of the above tools that I told you that I have, before the PDF is generated? We have an automated output system, so I must be able to configure the settings in one of them without opening the PDF file after it s been generated. ... Enabling PDFs for full commenting in an automated is possible with Adobe LiveCycle Reader Extensions (costly; you will not be able to find a price in Adobe's web site) Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker/TCS training consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Enabling a PDF for comments from FrameMaker Settings
Thanks Shlomo and Rick for the replies. We'll probably recommend that our customer use Reader X; we don't want to spend a lot of money just for one customer. I forgot to mention that we tested the files using Reader 9, our company standard, so that's why I didn't know about commenting in version X. Fei Min -Original Message- From: Shlomo Perets [mailto:shlo...@microtype.com] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 1:21 AM To: Fei Min Lorente Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; frame2acrobat at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Enabling a PDF for comments from FrameMaker Settings Fei Min, You wrote: >... I then found out that people who are using Reader cannot comment on >the files unless I enable commenting in Acrobat. With the free *Adobe Reader X*, end users can use two commenting tools (sticky notes and highlight text), independently of how the PDF was created, as long as the PDF does not have security settings that prevent commenting -- see http://acrobat.solutions.adobe.com/content/areaderx_ipm1_en > Is there a way to enable commenting using any of the above tools that I > told you that I have, before the PDF is generated? We have an automated > output system, so I must be able to configure the settings in one of them > without opening the PDF file after it s been generated. ... Enabling PDFs for full commenting in an automated is possible with Adobe LiveCycle Reader Extensions (costly; you will not be able to find a price in Adobe's web site) Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker/TCS training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants
Enabling a PDF for comments from FrameMaker Settings
FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP, Adobe Acrobat 6 Professional, and TimeSavers 5.0. We normally password-protect our PDFs produced from FrameMaker to guard against accidental or deliberate changes, but we had a customer request the ability to annotate the PDF file. Under Adobe PDF Security, I found the option for Changes Allowed: Commenting, filling in form fields, and signing. I thought everything was all right because I could then comment on the resultant PDFs, but I was using Acrobat. I then found out that people who are using Reader cannot comment on the files unless I enable commenting in Acrobat. Is there a way to enable commenting using any of the above tools that I told you that I have, before the PDF is generated? We have an automated output system, so I must be able to configure the settings in one of them without opening the PDF file after it's been generated. If the answer is no, then will I have any better luck with FrameMaker 10 and Adobe Acrobat X on Windows 7? We're supposed to upgrade this year. Fei Min --- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lore...@onsemi.com mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com http://www.onsemi.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Enabling a PDF for comments from FrameMaker Settings
FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP, Adobe Acrobat 6 Professional, and TimeSavers 5.0. We normally password-protect our PDFs produced from FrameMaker to guard against accidental or deliberate changes, but we had a customer request the ability to annotate the PDF file. Under Adobe PDF Security, I found the option for Changes Allowed: "Commenting, filling in form fields, and signing". I thought everything was all right because I could then comment on the resultant PDFs, but I was using Acrobat. I then found out that people who are using Reader cannot comment on the files unless I enable commenting in Acrobat. Is there a way to enable commenting using any of the above tools that I told you that I have, before the PDF is generated? We have an automated output system, so I must be able to configure the settings in one of them without opening the PDF file after it's been generated. If the answer is no, then will I have any better luck with FrameMaker 10 and Adobe Acrobat X on Windows 7? We're supposed to upgrade this year. Fei Min ----------- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lorente at onsemi.com <mailto:feimin.lorente at onsemi.com> +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com <http://www.onsemi.com> --- -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20120106/a4d56f85/attachment.html>
RE: Looking for the best way to highlight text to the reader
Yeah, I asked about color, but the program manager isn’t sure who’s going to print the PDF on a non-color printer, and he felt it would be hard to tell which parts were colored. I know they turn a bit grey, but maybe that’s too subtle. I like the color option myself; maybe after I show him the alternatives, he’ll change his mind. Hmm, yes, maybe colored revision bars would work. Even if they print grey, they would still do the job. Fei Min From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 2:28 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Fei Min Lorente Subject: Re: Looking for the best way to highlight text to the reader If you are delivering PDF and HTML, I don't understand the reluctance to use color. The Acrobat PDF device driver supports full color, and a minor change to your CSS can give you similar color selections in the HTML. On the change bars, I don't believe you can change the character, but you can change the width and color of the change bar. Still gives the appearance of draft, but potentially with a little more class. --- On Tue, 6/28/11, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: From: Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.com Subject: Looking for the best way to highlight text to the reader To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 1:06 PM Structured FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP, AXCM version 2.01, and FrameScript. I have some manuals that are going to be published separately for different products. I’m using an attribute value for conditional text, and the AXCM plug-in to color and filter the manuals. Normally, I remove colorizing for the final publication, but this time, the program manager wants to show the differences. We want to avoid using color in case someone decides to print the manuals (yes, we still ship PDF as well as HTML). AXCM offers underlining, double underlining, overlining, strikethrough, and revision bars in addition to colors. I’m not completely satisfied with any of these solutions because the underscores in some words gets lost with the underlining, and it gets a bit messy when you have a whole page underlined. On the other hand, revision bars look a bit like it’s a draft and it doesn’t show what changed on a line. Can anyone think of some alternatives considering the tools I have at my disposal? For example, is there any way to change the revision bar to another character or characters? Fei Min --- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com --- -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dspre...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Looking for the best way to highlight text to the reader
Structured FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP, AXCM version 2.01, and FrameScript. I have some manuals that are going to be published separately for different products. I'm using an attribute value for conditional text, and the AXCM plug-in to color and filter the manuals. Normally, I remove colorizing for the final publication, but this time, the program manager wants to show the differences. We want to avoid using color in case someone decides to print the manuals (yes, we still ship PDF as well as HTML). AXCM offers underlining, double underlining, overlining, strikethrough, and revision bars in addition to colors. I'm not completely satisfied with any of these solutions because the underscores in some words gets lost with the underlining, and it gets a bit messy when you have a whole page underlined. On the other hand, revision bars look a bit like it's a draft and it doesn't show what changed on a line. Can anyone think of some alternatives considering the tools I have at my disposal? For example, is there any way to change the revision bar to another character or characters? Fei Min --- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lorente at onsemi.com <mailto:feimin.lorente at onsemi.com> +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com <http://www.onsemi.com> --- -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110628/4d260034/attachment.html>
Looking for the best way to highlight text to the reader
Yeah, I asked about color, but the program manager isn?t sure who?s going to print the PDF on a non-color printer, and he felt it would be hard to tell which parts were colored. I know they turn a bit grey, but maybe that?s too subtle. I like the color option myself; maybe after I show him the alternatives, he?ll change his mind. Hmm, yes, maybe colored revision bars would work. Even if they print grey, they would still do the job. Fei Min From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 2:28 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Fei Min Lorente Subject: Re: Looking for the best way to highlight text to the reader If you are delivering PDF and HTML, I don't understand the reluctance to use color. The Acrobat PDF device driver supports full color, and a minor change to your CSS can give you similar color selections in the HTML. On the change bars, I don't believe you can change the character, but you can change the width and color of the change bar. Still gives the appearance of draft, but potentially with a little more class. --- On Tue, 6/28/11, Fei Min Lorente wrote: From: Fei Min Lorente <feimin.lore...@onsemi.com> Subject: Looking for the best way to highlight text to the reader To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 1:06 PM Structured FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP, AXCM version 2.01, and FrameScript. I have some manuals that are going to be published separately for different products. I?m using an attribute value for conditional text, and the AXCM plug-in to color and filter the manuals. Normally, I remove colorizing for the final publication, but this time, the program manager wants to show the differences. We want to avoid using color in case someone decides to print the manuals (yes, we still ship PDF as well as HTML). AXCM offers underlining, double underlining, overlining, strikethrough, and revision bars in addition to colors. I?m not completely satisfied with any of these solutions because the underscores in some words gets lost with the underlining, and it gets a bit messy when you have a whole page underlined. On the other hand, revision bars look a bit like it?s a draft and it doesn?t show what changed on a line. Can anyone think of some alternatives considering the tools I have at my disposal? For example, is there any way to change the revision bar to another character or characters? Fei Min ------- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lorente at onsemi.com +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com --- -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dspreadb at yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110628/f04d4af9/attachment.html>
RE: Structured Frame Reference Guides
Hi Tim: I think that using a paragraph element inherently determines that you have to have a paragraph break. Perhaps you really want a text range element? As for FrameMaker 8 reference guides for structured FrameMaker, I remember that Scriptorium explained why they published a guide to unstructured FrameMaker 8, but not a structured one. However, I don't remember the reason. Maybe someone else can help me out here. I suspect that if you find a third-party guide to structured FrameMaker 7, you'll be fine. Fei Min Lorente From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bjokne, Tim (Contractor) Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 11:33 AM To: Framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Structured Frame Reference Guides I can't find any third party Frame 8 reference guides that talk about structured Framemaker. I see plenty of versions 7 and 9, but no 8. Am I one of the few people using that version of Frame? Is there a book somewhere that I can purchase? Specifically, I am setting up an EDD file and I can't decipher via the Adobe help files how to create an element that does not insert a paragraph break. Paragraph formats all have paragraph breaks after them, and I don't see a way to turn that off from within the EDD. Any help with either question would be much appreciated. Tim _ Tim Bjokne Raytheon Technical Services Company Senior Technical Editor/Writer Polar Services Tech Comm Group 7400 S Tucson Way Direct: 720.568.2036Centennial, CO 80112 Toll-Free: 800.866.8606 x32036 Main Line: 303.790.8606 Fax: 303.792.9006 USAP Web Portal: www.usap.gov file:///\\www.usap.gov Tell me, and I'll forget. Show me, and I may not remember. Involve me, and I'll understand. -Native American Proverb _ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Make a URL non-breaking
Hi Helen: I don't know which version of FrameMaker you're using, so this might not be exactly the same. On FrameMaker 7.2, under the Format menu, there is a Document option. Choose Text Options. I have a field there that says Allow Line Breaks After:. You ought to have a slash character in that field. If you delete it, then it won't break there any more. Fei Min Lorente -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Helen Borrie Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:11 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Make a URL non-breaking Example: For documentation and more information, visit http://freeadhocudf.org breaks across the end of a line like this: For documentation and more information, visit http:// freeadhocudf.org. It seems the slash character behaves like a breaking hyphen but I can't seem to find out how to fix this! Sorry, the live links were put there by my email client. At the moment, I'm not seeking to put live links in the Frame document. It would be OK to have them if there were no other option, though. Thanks, Helen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lore...@onsemi.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons emi.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Structured Frame Reference Guides
Hi Tim: I think that using a paragraph element inherently determines that you have to have a paragraph break. Perhaps you really want a text range element? As for FrameMaker 8 reference guides for structured FrameMaker, I remember that Scriptorium explained why they published a guide to unstructured FrameMaker 8, but not a structured one. However, I don't remember the reason. Maybe someone else can help me out here. I suspect that if you find a third-party guide to structured FrameMaker 7, you'll be fine. Fei Min Lorente From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bjokne, Tim (Contractor) Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 11:33 AM To: Framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Structured Frame Reference Guides I can't find any third party Frame 8 reference guides that talk about structured Framemaker. I see plenty of versions 7 and 9, but no 8. Am I one of the few people using that version of Frame? Is there a book somewhere that I can purchase? Specifically, I am setting up an EDD file and I can't decipher via the Adobe help files how to create an element that does not insert a paragraph break. Paragraph formats all have paragraph breaks after them, and I don't see a way to "turn that off" from within the EDD. Any help with either question would be much appreciated. Tim _ Tim Bjokne Raytheon Technical Services Company Senior Technical Editor/Writer Polar Services Tech Comm Group 7400 S Tucson Way Direct: 720.568.2036Centennial, CO 80112 Toll-Free: 800.866.8606 x32036 Main Line: 303.790.8606 Fax: 303.792.9006 USAP Web Portal: www.usap.gov Tell me, and I'll forget. Show me, and I may not remember. Involve me, and I'll understand. -Native American Proverb _ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110511/c047e608/attachment.html>
Make a URL non-breaking
Hi Helen: I don't know which version of FrameMaker you're using, so this might not be exactly the same. On FrameMaker 7.2, under the Format menu, there is a Document option. Choose Text Options. I have a field there that says "Allow Line Breaks After:". You ought to have a slash character in that field. If you delete it, then it won't break there any more. Fei Min Lorente -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Helen Borrie Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:11 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Make a URL non-breaking Example: For documentation and more information, visit http://freeadhocudf.org breaks across the end of a line like this: For documentation and more information, visit http:// freeadhocudf.org. It seems the slash character behaves like a breaking hyphen but I can't seem to find out how to fix this! Sorry, the live links were put there by my email client. At the moment, I'm not seeking to put live links in the Frame document. It would be OK to have them if there were no other option, though. Thanks, Helen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lorente at onsemi.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons emi.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Non-breaking Hyphen in a Variable Field
FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP. How do you specify a non-breaking hyphen in a variable value field? Fei Min --- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lore...@onsemi.com mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com http://www.onsemi.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Non-breaking Hyphen in a Variable Field
Thank you Jerilynne. That worked. Fei Min From: MamaRed Knight [mailto:jerilynne.kni...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 1:19 PM To: Fei Min Lorente Subject: Re: Non-breaking Hyphen in a Variable Field Enter \x15 where you want it to display. On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP. How do you specify a non-breaking hyphen in a variable value field? Fei Min --- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519 884 9696 tel:%2B1%20519%20884%209696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 tel:%2B1%20519%20831%204931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 tel:%2B1%20519%20884%200228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jerilynne.kni...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jerilynne.knight%40g mail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- love and light, hugs and blessings http://www.mylivesignature.com/ jerilynne MamaRed knight strategist | speaker | consultant | author ...igKnighting passionately powerful possibilities(tm) P.S. Is your life full of passion, power and possibilities? No? Then I look forward to being the spark that igKnights your fire! Coaching Speaking http://www.mamaredspeaks.com/ website Teens Transforming Towns(tm) http://www.teenstransformingtowns.com/ website Teens Transforming Towns(tm) http://www.facebook.com/teenstransformingtowns on Facebook Acts of Kindness http://www.onemillionacts.com/ website Let's talk Skype: mamared2002 or 203.MAMA054 (203.626.2054) Let's connect... Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/in/jerilynneknight Facebook http://www.facebook.com/mamared Twitter http://www.twitter.com/mama_red --- @ WiseStamp Signature http://my.wisestamp.com/link?u=p4ywfrhpbg9gdjdqsite=www.wisestamp.com/ email-install . Get it now http://my.wisestamp.com/link?u=p4ywfrhpbg9gdjdqsite=www.wisestamp.com/ email-install ~WRD000.jpgimage001.jpg___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Non-breaking Hyphen in a Variable Field
FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP. How do you specify a non-breaking hyphen in a variable value field? Fei Min --- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lorente at onsemi.com <mailto:feimin.lorente at onsemi.com> +1 519 884 9696 ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 | mobile +1 519 884 0228 | fax http://www.onsemi.com <http://www.onsemi.com> --- -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110408/071330be/attachment.html>
Non-breaking Hyphen in a Variable Field
Thank you Jerilynne. That worked. Fei Min From: MamaRed Knight [mailto:jerilynne.kni...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 1:19 PM To: Fei Min Lorente Subject: Re: Non-breaking Hyphen in a Variable Field Enter \x15 where you want it to display. On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Fei Min Lorente < FeiMin.Lorente at onsemi.com> wrote: FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP. How do you specify a non-breaking hyphen in a variable value field? Fei Min ------- Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical Division ON Semiconductor feimin.lorente at onsemi.com +1 519 884 9696 <tel:%2B1%20519%20884%209696> ext 2297 | office +1 519 831 4931 <tel:%2B1%20519%20831%204931> | mobile +1 519 884 0228 <tel:%2B1%20519%20884%200228> | fax http://www.onsemi.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jerilynne.knight at gmail.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jerilynne.knight%40g mail.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- love and light, hugs and blessings <http://www.mylivesignature.com/> jerilynne "MamaRed" knight strategist | speaker | consultant | author ...igKnighting passionately powerful possibilities(tm) P.S. Is your life full of passion, power and possibilities? No? Then I look forward to being the spark that igKnights your fire! Coaching & Speaking <http://www.mamaredspeaks.com/> website Teens Transforming Towns(tm) <http://www.teenstransformingtowns.com/> website Teens Transforming Towns(tm) <http://www.facebook.com/teenstransformingtowns> on Facebook Acts of Kindness <http://www.onemillionacts.com/> website Let's talk Skype: mamared2002 or 203.MAMA054 (203.626.2054) Let's connect... Linkedin <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jerilynneknight> Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/mamared> Twitter <http://www.twitter.com/mama_red> --- @ WiseStamp Signature <http://my.wisestamp.com/link?u=p4ywfrhpbg9gdjdq=www.wisestamp.com/ email-install> . Get it now <http://my.wisestamp.com/link?u=p4ywfrhpbg9gdjdq=www.wisestamp.com/ email-install> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110408/039efd12/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 823 bytes Desc: ~WRD000.jpg URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110408/039efd12/attachment.jpe> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 335 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110408/039efd12/attachment-0001.jpe>
RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?
Yes, I'm in the same boat: FrameMaker 7.2. But I don't see an upgrade path to 9 and then 10. I think that to even buy 9 now, you'd have to pay for a full license for 10 and downgrade. We're just going to have to bite the bullet. Fei Min Lorente -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 8:18 AM To: Carrie Baker; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2? At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote: Are others in the same boat? Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a later point upgrading again? Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lore...@onsemi.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons emi.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?
I'm looking at buying the latest version because our company is moving everyone to Windows 7, and FrameMaker 7.2 isn't supported on that OS. It doesn't mean it won't work, but our management prefers to play it safe. Fei Min Lorente From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carrie Baker Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:14 PM To: Alan Houser Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2? I do not know if it is altogether a bad thing to be using Frame 7. I sort of just wanted to know that other people are also using Frame of that vintage. On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Alan Houser a...@groupwellesley.com wrote: If you check the PDF properties of Apple's documentation, you will find that a surprising number are authored and published in FrameMaker 7. InDesign CS3 is also popular there. And the TechCrunch blog recently forecast that Apple-based readers will outnumber Windows-based readers by the end of 2012. http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/27/apple-versus-microsoft-share/ I know the FrameMaker on Mac horse was beaten to death long ago, but perhaps it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse... -Alan --- Alan Houser, President Group Wellesley, Inc. 412-363-3481 www.groupwellesley.com http://www.groupwellesley.com/ On 3/1/2011 8:18 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote: At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote: Are others in the same boat? Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a later point upgrading again? Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck. -- Carrie Baker carrie...@gmail.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?
Yes, I'm in the same boat: FrameMaker 7.2. But I don't see an upgrade path to 9 and then 10. I think that to even buy 9 now, you'd have to pay for a full license for 10 and downgrade. We're just going to have to bite the bullet. Fei Min Lorente -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 8:18 AM To: Carrie Baker; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2? At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote: >Are others in the same boat? >Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a later point upgrading again? Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lorente at onsemi.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons emi.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?
I'm looking at buying the latest version because our company is moving everyone to Windows 7, and FrameMaker 7.2 isn't supported on that OS. It doesn't mean it won't work, but our management prefers to play it safe. Fei Min Lorente From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carrie Baker Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:14 PM To: Alan Houser Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2? I do not know if it is altogether a bad thing to be using Frame 7. I sort of just wanted to know that other people are also using Frame of that vintage. On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Alan Houser wrote: If you check the PDF properties of Apple's documentation, you will find that a surprising number are authored and published in FrameMaker 7. InDesign CS3 is also popular there. And the TechCrunch blog recently forecast that Apple-based readers will outnumber Windows-based readers by the end of 2012. http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/27/apple-versus-microsoft-share/ I know the "FrameMaker on Mac" horse was beaten to death long ago, but perhaps it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse... -Alan --- Alan Houser, President Group Wellesley, Inc. 412-363-3481 www.groupwellesley.com <http://www.groupwellesley.com/> On 3/1/2011 8:18 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote: At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote: Are others in the same boat? Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a later point upgrading again? Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck. -- Carrie Baker carriebak at gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110301/6f378a1b/attachment.html>
Frame Light, what's the potential market?
Hi Anthony: What encouraging news! I asked Adobe for a "FrameMaker Light" back in 2005 or so. I entered the suggestion on their website, as well as emailed it to one of the guys in charge of FrameMaker 8, but I hadn't heard anything since. We currently have seven licenses of FrameMaker 7.2. I'm the lone writer, so if there were a light version, we could switch to one full version and six light ones. But with a reduced cost and an easier interface, I think we could expand that to twenty. Even now, we're on the verge of buying more licenses (and moving to FrameMaker 10) because it's kind of popular with the SMEs around here. I'm using structured except for the legacy stuff, so I would want the Light version to let users set attribute values as well as use the list of elements. They also have to be able to import XML files into FrameMaker. Yes, we use shared text right now, but I tend to manage it. I could see the SMEs getting involved in making changes to it, though, so that would be a good feature to include in the Light version. Of course, they have to be able to create tables and cross-references. They don't do this often, but they should be able to change variable values, too. And updating the book is essential. We'd like to see the price down around $200 for individual licenses, or an appropriate deal on a site license. Floating licenses wouldn't be good because we have lots of SMEs who travel and couldn't be connected to the network. Please don't go to a dongle (sad story there). Sarah O'Keefe had a good idea back when I was asking for FrameMaker Light, and that was to make a FrameMaker XML editor version, but of course that would only apply to structured users. I just read Alan's response and I realize that FrameMaker Light isn't needed by everyone, but for some of us, it would be perfect. Fei Min From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Davey Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:57 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Frame Light, what's the potential market? Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ... I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago at the London launch event for TCS3. It seems there is the motivation to develop a business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and review content, but little else. I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10 at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in Word. Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it is collected together. So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text styles (emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference. I can get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph format names. All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full license holders. To support the development of a business case can you post what (other) functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would (ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you currently have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local install, web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to get it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs currently use? Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be output with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME puts fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand for this. Please let me know. Best regards, Ant _ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of the Rail Safety and Standards Board (RSSB). This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:
RE: Need Advice on Upgrade Strategies for FM and Acrobat
Hi Jasmine: All of my SMEs, with one or two exceptions, use FrameMaker to draft material for me. The amount of time it saves me from converting Word to FrameMaker is worth the money. I've been told this is just short of a miracle, but I just wanted to let you know that it's possible, and there are even a few of them who prefer FrameMaker to Word. I might have an advantage because I moved to structured FrameMaker, so it makes it easier for the SMEs to follow the templates. You didn't mention if you're using structured. If you're not, this probably isn't a good time to introduce it. My secrets to winning over the SMEs are: - Give them a cheat sheet. - Give them a one-hour tutorial. - Offer to be their technical support any time of the day or night. - Point out that if they work in FrameMaker, they don't have to give you the material as far in advance in order to give you enough time to convert the files from Word. Sorry I can't help you on an upgrade path except to echo Jeff's question: why would the SMEs need Acrobat? I'm currently looking at upgrading myself, so I'm working out a plan, too. Fei Min -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of qui...@airmail.net Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 6:38 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Need Advice on Upgrade Strategies for FM and Acrobat You'll have to train them to use your templates. It might be easier to let them use Word and import those files. Many of the uninitiated balk at maintaining the discipline needed to not use line formatting. But, if there is political will, you could do alright. Scott On 2/9/11 3:49 PM, Graham, Jasmine S wrote: Hello Fellow Framers, I need your advice on how to best recommend a strategy for new Frame and Acrobat software purchases/licensing/upgrades/maintenance contracts, etc. I apologize for the lengthy email with many questions, but I'm sure I'm still overlooking some important points. SOME HISTORY I currently have the TCS1 package FM 8 (structured), Acrobat 9, Robohelp, Captivate, on Windows XP SP3. For 2+ years, I've been the only FM user here (everyone else uses Word). Frame's strong points are helping me to develop and maintain large amounts of new technical documentation. So, I've won some support for it, which I am really thrilled about. THE OPPORTUNITY Now there is an interest in purchasing FM for possibly 3-4 SMEs who will be drafting documentation for my project. These folks perform engineering and testing functions (writing is not their primary task), but their manager sees value/potential in using Frame vs. Word and wants to gain momentum with it. THOUGHTS / QUESTIONS -- We should all use the latest Frame (10). Should I upgrade Frame only on my PC, or should I really consider the full TCS3 upgrade? I already have Photoshop. The other folks don't need Robohelp/Captivate, so TCS3 is overkill for them. -- All of us need a compatible Acrobat (I have no idea what to expect if we install Frame 10 on one of these laptops with an older version of Acrobat). Should I recommend the latest Acrobat for everyone just to be safe? -- Are there some reliable, yet also fairly reasonable licensing/upgrade/maintenance strategies to keep us all in sync? -- What's beneficial to do now in case we should add Frame users again down the road? -- What gotchas, headaches, and other things must I think about before I jump into the deep end?? Since day one, I've not had any problems with my TCS1 setup, so I'm quite nervous about introducing new software versions without introducing unwanted special effects. :-) I also know that there will be a learning curve and I'll have to train the others, create cheat sheets, and so forth. And, I must get familiar with the new interface, too. I'm confident I can manage these things. Also, I've made every effort to keep the template streamlined and simple, so hopefully, that will help, too. THANKS IN ADVANCE for all words of wisdom and experience in this area!! :) Jasmine Graham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lore...@onsemi.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons emi.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for
Need Advice on Upgrade Strategies for FM and Acrobat
Hi Jasmine: All of my SMEs, with one or two exceptions, use FrameMaker to draft material for me. The amount of time it saves me from converting Word to FrameMaker is worth the money. I've been told this is just short of a miracle, but I just wanted to let you know that it's possible, and there are even a few of them who prefer FrameMaker to Word. I might have an advantage because I moved to structured FrameMaker, so it makes it easier for the SMEs to follow the templates. You didn't mention if you're using structured. If you're not, this probably isn't a good time to introduce it. My "secrets" to winning over the SMEs are: - Give them a cheat sheet. - Give them a one-hour tutorial. - Offer to be their technical support any time of the day or night. - Point out that if they work in FrameMaker, they don't have to give you the material as far in advance in order to give you enough time to convert the files from Word. Sorry I can't help you on an upgrade path except to echo Jeff's question: why would the SMEs need Acrobat? I'm currently looking at upgrading myself, so I'm working out a plan, too. Fei Min -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of quills at airmail.net Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 6:38 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Need Advice on Upgrade Strategies for FM and Acrobat You'll have to train them to use your templates. It might be easier to let them use Word and import those files. Many of the uninitiated balk at maintaining the discipline needed to not use line formatting. But, if there is political will, you could do alright. Scott On 2/9/11 3:49 PM, Graham, Jasmine S wrote: > Hello Fellow Framers, > > I need your advice on how to best recommend a strategy for new Frame and Acrobat software purchases/licensing/upgrades/maintenance contracts, etc. I apologize for the lengthy email with many questions, but I'm sure I'm still overlooking some important points. > > SOME HISTORY > I currently have the TCS1 package FM 8 (structured), Acrobat 9, Robohelp, Captivate, on Windows XP SP3. For 2+ years, I've been the only FM user here (everyone else uses Word). Frame's strong points are helping me to develop and maintain large amounts of new technical documentation. So, I've won some support for it, which I am really thrilled about. > > THE OPPORTUNITY > Now there is an interest in purchasing FM for possibly 3-4 SMEs who will be drafting documentation for my project. These folks perform engineering and testing functions (writing is not their primary task), but their manager sees value/potential in using Frame vs. Word and wants to gain momentum with it. > > THOUGHTS / QUESTIONS > > -- We should all use the latest Frame (10). Should I upgrade Frame only on my PC, or should I really consider the full TCS3 upgrade? I already have Photoshop. The other folks don't need Robohelp/Captivate, so TCS3 is overkill for them. > > -- All of us need a compatible Acrobat (I have no idea what to expect if we install Frame 10 on one of these laptops with an older version of Acrobat). Should I recommend the latest Acrobat for everyone just to be safe? > > -- Are there some reliable, yet also fairly reasonable licensing/upgrade/maintenance strategies to keep us all in sync? > > -- What's beneficial to do now in case we should add Frame users again down the road? > > -- What gotchas, headaches, and other things must I think about before I jump into the deep end?? > > Since day one, I've not had any problems with my TCS1 setup, so I'm quite nervous about introducing new software versions without introducing unwanted special effects. :-) > > I also know that there will be a learning curve and I'll have to train the others, create cheat sheets, and so forth. And, I must get familiar with the new interface, too. I'm confident I can manage these things. Also, I've made every effort to keep the template streamlined and simple, so hopefully, that will help, too. > > THANKS IN ADVANCE for all words of wisdom and experience in this area!! :) > > Jasmine Graham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lorente at onsemi.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons emi.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Structured FM and DITA
Elchanan: I'll just quickly add that you can move to structured FrameMaker without using DITA. The relationship between the two is that structured FrameMaker supports XML (i.e., in FrameMaker, you can define your document like it is an XML file and optionally export it to XML), and DITA is a standardized XML definition (i.e., the structure is already defined for you; you work with the DITA file the same way you'd work with any structured document, but you have to follow the standardized hierarchy of elements, already-defined tags and attributes). So if you move to structured FrameMaker, you can define your own structure or you can use DITA. Fei Min Lorente -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 5:07 PM To: Framers; VLM TechSubs Subject: Re: Structured FM and DITA You'll probably get a tonne of advice, so I'll keep mine brief. I found this book really useful when I was getting started: Introduction to DITA: A User Guide to the Darwin Information Typing Architecture (http://www.comtech-serv.com/dita2.shtml#book). FrameMaker 9 handles DITA better than FrameMaker 8 (I think I saw you ask a question before about FM 8). I don't know if FM 10 has any advantages over FM 9 for DITA authoring. Finally, consider what your output needs are and what tool best suits your needs and budget. I've been using WebWorks ePublisher to create CHM help, Web help, and now PDFs from DITA. It handles DITA nicely. There are other tools, too, like Dita2Go and DITA Open Toolkit, but I don't know a lot about them. Nadine --- On Wed, 1/26/11, VLM TechSubs techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org wrote: From: VLM TechSubs techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org Subject: Structured FM and DITA To: Framers Framers@Lists.FrameUsers.com Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 4:36 PM Hi everyone, Thinking here about moving from unstructured FM to structured, and I realize that I don't know what DITA even is, how it is related to structured FM, etc. I would be grateful for pointers in the direction of good, introductory reading in these topics, particularly DITA. Does not have to be Frame-specific, I'm interested in understanding a bit about the whole concept and mechanism. Thank you kindly, Elchanan ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as generic...@yahoo.ca. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.c a Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. m ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lore...@onsemi.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons emi.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Structured FM and DITA
Elchanan: I'll just quickly add that you can move to structured FrameMaker without using DITA. The relationship between the two is that structured FrameMaker supports XML (i.e., in FrameMaker, you can define your document like it is an XML file and optionally export it to XML), and DITA is a standardized XML definition (i.e., the structure is already defined for you; you work with the DITA file the same way you'd work with any structured document, but you have to follow the standardized hierarchy of elements, already-defined tags and attributes). So if you move to structured FrameMaker, you can define your own structure or you can use DITA. Fei Min Lorente -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 5:07 PM To: Framers; VLM TechSubs Subject: Re: Structured FM and DITA You'll probably get a tonne of advice, so I'll keep mine brief. I found this book really useful when I was getting started: Introduction to DITA: A User Guide to the Darwin Information Typing Architecture (http://www.comtech-serv.com/dita2.shtml#book). FrameMaker 9 handles DITA better than FrameMaker 8 (I think I saw you ask a question before about FM 8). I don't know if FM 10 has any advantages over FM 9 for DITA authoring. Finally, consider what your output needs are and what tool best suits your needs and budget. I've been using WebWorks ePublisher to create CHM help, Web help, and now PDFs from DITA. It handles DITA nicely. There are other tools, too, like Dita2Go and DITA Open Toolkit, but I don't know a lot about them. Nadine --- On Wed, 1/26/11, VLM TechSubs wrote: > From: VLM TechSubs > Subject: Structured FM and DITA > To: "Framers" > Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 4:36 PM > Hi everyone, > > Thinking here about moving from unstructured FM to > structured, and I realize > that I don't know what DITA even is, how it is related to > structured FM, > etc. I would be grateful for pointers in the direction of > good, introductory > reading in these topics, particularly DITA. Does not have > to be > Frame-specific, I'm interested in understanding a bit about > the whole > concept and mechanism. > > Thank you kindly, > Elchanan > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.c a > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and > info. > m > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lorente at onsemi.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons emi.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
