Re: sudden peak in load average
Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Hello, 2008/2/27, Mark Tinguely [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From the MRTG data I can see that suddenly on a currently not very busy machine the load averege went over 15 or more. This happened around 10 in the morning. Not many entries in httpd access log, smtp server was not too much loaded (at that time it generally produces a load average of about 1). By any chance, do you run SpamAssassin? I have seen load average bursts with SA. It seems to me that spam sites are bursting spam to attempt to bring down the anti-spam filters. As mentioned by others a ps (or I prefer pstree) list will help solve the issue. Thanks. I do have SA but I studied the logs carefully and no outside connections, except for one with a vary small message desitined for mailman subscription arrived at around that time. Is it possible that there's a message in your queue that's *being processed*, so it may have arrived earlier than near that time and causes the spike? What tests is SA running? Or something with your DNS settings that is holding up SA while trying to look something up? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sudden peak in load average
Mark Tinguely wrote: Is it possible that there's a message in your queue that's *being processed*, so it may have arrived earlier than near that time and causes the spike? Bart is correct that the SA processing occurs before sendmail log entry. Lately, I have had problems with the latest spamass-milter. Occasionally, something is forking off another spamass-milter and the original one is in some tight loop eating processor time. I am not sure if it is the newer spamass-milter or the fact that I also added the dkim-milter into the mix. FYI: I sent to the original questioner a crude C program to monitor his current loadaverage. This monitor will save the output of the command ps -aux to a timestamped temporary file when the current loadaverage exceeds a defined amount (15.0). Another thing to look at would be the output of something like lsof, so that if it is spamassassin, maybe there's a possibility that it could be narrowed down to a particular temporary file unless there's another way to see if there's a particular message chewing away on SA's analysis? It doesn't take a big message to skew SA asunder if it has the right bit of information in it... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: join
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Re: Freebsd filesystem ( hard reboot )
Randy Ramsdell wrote: We started using FreeBSD for some network monitoring, but have found that a hard reboot forces us to answer filesytem questions on boot. Is there a way to mount each filesystem without this? Or how can we use FreeBSD in a remote location without needing to intervene in situatutions like this? What's causing the hard reboots? Is it on a UPS? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freebsd filesystem ( hard reboot )
Randy Ramsdell wrote: I think I will just set the rc.conf variable to answer Y to fsck questions unless there is a better way. A side note, this system has been hard shutdown two times and each time required intervention. We also use several Linux system ( reiserfs and ext3 ) and raely do I have to interact with the systems on reboot. There is a differnce and I am in the fisrt stages trying to understand this. Might want to be careful with the always answering Y thing, though...or at least make sure you have periodic backups ready to go in case the repair further loses data in the process. Is there an area that seems to be needing repairs in particular? Maybe you could find a way to move it to another drive so the system will come up more reliably and then other processes can remotely check the unmountable drive and remount it and start your process monitoring. PS. I am confused about why so many people are replying to the list and my personal e-mail. This one was sent to me only. Others were sent to me and the list. Actually, every other reply. Is this normal for the list as I am new as of today? If looks like if you hit reply all, both addresses are inserted (the list isn't stripping the personal one out). Unless the replier removes the personal address or the reply function on their mail client is only using a primary address (of the list) to send to, you'll get replies on both...depending on the issue some people prefer getting a response personally faster than waiting for the list to send it if for some reason it's bogging down :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish.
Wojciech Puchar wrote: ls | wc strange. i did [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/b]$ a=0;while [ $a -lt 1 ];do mkdir $a;a=$[a+1];done completed 25 seconds on 1Ghz CPU ls takes 0.1 seconds user time, ls -l takes 0.3 second user time. unless you have 486/33 or slower system there is something wrong. Has anyone tried fsck and/or smartmontools on the drive? Maybe something like Spinrite? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: who wrote this
Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:12:36PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote: 1) first of all, i don't think that freebsd operating system is an appropriate forum to express political views. so whether we are for or against censorship or democracy or fascism or communism, it really does not matter. what matters is how good our coding is, and how appropriate the wording on our website. because like it or not, we have to present a decent website that does not offend our users and does not make us look bad in front of non-users. this reasoning was one of the main excuses of Germans after the war was lost. 'I only did my job'. This thread has been a wonderful demonstration of how people rationalize and interpret information. The poster before you was saying that they don't care what your non-BSD related views are, keep them to yourself. They're saying the priority is to promote and evangelize BSD. The political commentary has nothing to do with the OS, so it reflects on the community when threads like this are pursued. Somehow, you're saying the Germans rationalized their atrocities with the excuse they were only doing their jobs. A) I don't see how the two are related at all. You're not making any clear justification for that reply. B) What happened was more a demonstration of society and psychology than having an entire nation suddenly go insane. Every society has elements that to an outsider with their own culture and standards seems insane, and events of the period will also influence perceptions. It's also very clear that Germany wasn't one cohesive anti-Jewish loony bin. They were people, plain Jane citizens with their own beliefs and lives. that's what the community thinks is appropriate. What I'm suggesting is that we remove his name from the website: Is there a shorter way to express the same thing? Replace everything mildly offensive with the string Anonymous or Chuck or Beastie. Whitewashing everything is the clearest way to having an enlightened community. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law
Peo Nilsson wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 18:13 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: it was the fascism that lost the war. He discarded his country for his fascism. *No* humans *win* any kind of war. They *all* loose... Loose? Catch them then. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law
Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Tuesday, November 27, 2007 01:19:50 -0500 Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Beastie's Law: Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically wrong. Political Incorrectness is very subjective though. In some circles for example immigrants are foreign born and using the correct term is wrong. Could we please dump this crap from the questions list and carry it forward on the chat list, where it belongs? It's getting very old. How about a law describing the time it takes for someone to start complaining that thread XYZ needs to be moved elsewhere where it truly belongs, thus both voicing their dislike of the thread and still prolonging and contributing to the noise at the same time? :-) -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: top posting (off-topic)
David Benfell wrote: On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:31:51 -0500, Bart Silverstrim wrote: We have adults who can't be bothered to tell the difference between lose and loose in writing. Wonderful things encouraged by people justifying their lazy writing styles. This might be slightly unfair. A large proportion of the population has *never* been able to spell correctly or to use proper grammar. has never been able to is not a valid excuse in my book when it comes to writing without a significant number of qualifications. The vast number of people I see misusing common words are fully educated and are very able to use most of the other words in the same message just fine, yet never stop to fix proper usage of loose vs. lose. I'm not saying writing must be perfect, and I'm well aware of my own grammar shortcomings and I fully understand typos and mistakes. But there are also trends that I run into ALL THE TIME that are simply a case of people not taking a bit of care. A difference between now, and a few years ago, is that we are more often encountering their expressions in a written form, as they, too, gain access to the Internet. AND they don't care enough to take a few moments to edit or put thought into their writing. That was my point. We have small businesses in the small town I live in. Many of them have typos in their signs. Constantly. Now, if I go to a fast food joint in my town and they screw up my drink, bleh, it happens. I can accept that mistakes happen. But when a place screws up my order three or four times in a row, as our local Burger King did, I stop going there. Period. When there are businesses with a mistake on their sign, well, maybe it's a plain whoops. When I see mistakes consistently in their signs, I wonder if they really care about their business image, and if they're lazy or not willing to take care in their image, would I trust that they are careful in doing business as well? I avoid them. As a graduate student in communication, I write a lot. As a teacher of public speaking, I see grammatical and spelling errors in the outlines my students turn in. These errors irritate me, but having also worked in the technology sector, and having seen memos from my fellow technology workers, prior to outsourcing and the importing of people who have an excuse, I know my students are not alone. There is making mistakes and there is plain I don't care. The ones that make mistakes try not to repeat them. They care about trying not to look like ignoramuses. If I were to point out that loose and lose mean to entirely different things they would make a note not to do that again in the future. The ones I SPECIFICALLY refer to are the latter. They DON'T CARE. These are the ones that treat email as a substitute for instant messenger. They care nothing for crafting messages to deliver a message rather than a mental fart. They are the ones that think communication reached a zenith by reading, word for word, a set of PowerPoint slides to the assembled napping crowd. Dyslexia and other learning disabilities that impede mastery of spelling and grammar may be much more common than is often reported. Underfunded public schools don't help. Yeah, I work in a US public school. My wife is an English teacher. She has more students than she cares to have claiming, upon having mistakes pointed out, I'm just not a good speller. It's an excuse. She knows what these kids are capable of and quite frankly they are simply not being careful, and I'm tired of coddling them and enabling their laziness further by dismissing their mistakes as being okay when they simply don't put effort into fixing the problem. It's also an insult to those that do work hard to overcome their problems. I know a couple of dyslexics who spell words rather well because they worked to overcome the problem. How is it fair to ignore the ones that just don't want to put effort into doing better? They didn't just passively accept a limitation, they worked at making their situation better. Others do them no favors in just nodding a smiling and telling them it's okay to just be sub par when they are capable of at least trying to do better. And an insistence on grammatical and spelling correctness is its own form of elitism. No, I'm insisting on not being lazy and passing it off as just the norm. I've clearly acknowledged that I don't expect perfection, and mistakes are more than acceptable. What I DON'T accept is when they are no longer mistakes, just a simple I-don't-give-a-damn attitude. The writing is untrimmed, the grammar is sloppy, and the excuse is that it saves THEM time and effort. Quoting isn't trimmed. No effort is put into crafting a message. Email is turned less into a communication medium and more into a very very poor form of instant messaging. Messages in the archive consist of non-linear messages piled on top of each other
Re: top posting (off-topic)
Robert Huff wrote: Bart Silverstrim writes: You're right in that top posting is a savings in effort. I disagree. It's not a savings, it's a transfer - moves the work from the poster to the reader. Okay, I'll qualify my statement by saying it is a time and effort saver for the author only... -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: top posting (off-topic)
Brent Jones wrote: I for one prefer top posting, as usually I have read a particular thread enough times that I like to cut to the chase and read the new input without having to scroll down, sometimes navigating an endless nesting of For me, reading through top posted replies saves time and effort. If I happened to miss something in the conversation I can scroll down to find it. Anyone else feel the same? I don't. If you're going to top post, trim the cruft. Archives don't need 10 posts getting gradually larger as you repeat the repeat the repeat the repeat... As I read from top to bottom, if you're referring to something that's buried somewhere below headers (that you left in) that are below more information, etc., it's a PITA to find what you're talking about in context. You're right in that top posting is a savings in effort. It takes effort to craft a response, and instead just burp a brain toot to the list. I would suggest looking into Instant Messaging as a better outlet for such brain toots. People constantly bitch about emails being hard to interpret. Was it serious? Sarcastic? A joke? Top posters encourage taking this to the next step...they make the message more vague. What were you referring to? A particular passage? In general? What? In your race to save a few seconds of actual thought and editing, you make the message more vague. Thanks. If you don't read the bottom part, why the hell are you quoting it? Just to make the archives larger? So I can refer to it if I need to?? Here's an idea. Read the old messages. Your search engine in your mail program may speed up a few nanoseconds if you don't have all that extra crap repeated a dozen times. Best part...replying to a 5K message, top posted, just so you can add a one-line comment. WHY? No wonder email is thought to increase brain rot. People don't take the time to edit or think through thoughts before laying them to the virtual paper, and it's at the point where you read something, burp a brain fart to the top and resend it while justifying their inability to adhere to the reading top-to-bottom that so many have come to accept by reading books and articles in a linear fashion as a child as a time-saver. Bigger time-saver for me is to delete messages when they come in with that formatting. We have l337 sp33k because it saves time. U seen it b4, rite? We have top posting. We have adults who can't be bothered to tell the difference between lose and loose in writing. Wonderful things encouraged by people justifying their lazy writing styles. You make an impression online by your writing. These shortcuts strike me as coming from authors that are too lazy to craft their thoughts into something worth presenting...sloppy. Silly mistakes and typos happen but all too often, when coupled with other styling choices they make, it's hard to give the benefit of the doubt as to how much they care how much credibility they loose by using sloppy expressions of their thoughts. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
Rob wrote: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ I have to agree with many posters, this project is the most seriously misdirected, biggest crock of shit I've heard of in years. We're talkin' people in 3rd world conditions, without basic essentials of life, and some idiot wants to give them COMPUTERS?!?!? WFT? Where are they gonna get electricity to charge them, instruction in use, repair, software updates, etc. And they don't have toilet paper, so all the keys on the left half are gonna go bad! Have you read the articles on OLPC? They're made to run on very low power. They have batteries that can be crank-charged quickly, or run off small solar panels. Somehow I don't think they're short on sunlight there. The laptopgiving.org site states that it operates up to 2,000 recharge cycles and can be charged by crank, pedal, pullcord, or solar panel. It's not like they're shipping off-the-shelf laptops to them. While there are plenty of problems for these kids, the OLPC project is a way to try to help with education and interaction. The units work with a type of automatic mesh network. As I understand it, if one gets access to the Internet, they all can route to it, but even if not they connect to each other for social and collaborative applications. Just because there are many third-world countries out there doesn't mean that someone can't try something to improve things. Maybe it'll fail miserably. Maybe it'll help give a boost to the conditions of the education system. It's worse that you're in a place where you have plenty of access to education and information and you didn't bother to look up how the XO works before bashing it on the forums. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Laptop Per Child
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 2:52 PM, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be well invested. YMMV http://xogiving.org/ I have to agree with many posters, this project is the most seriously misdirected, biggest crock of shit I've heard of in years. We're talkin' people in 3rd world conditions, without basic essentials of life, and some idiot wants to give them COMPUTERS?!?!? WFT? Where are they gonna get electricity to charge them, instruction in use, repair, software updates, etc. And they don't have toilet paper, so all the keys on the left half are gonna go bad! when the F! is this going to end? all that is happening here is an exchange of stereotype opinions about the matter. nothing new, nothing original, nothing is going to come out of this, all this has been discussed already on numerous sites ( slashdot, digg, wherever ). your opinion is useless to freebsd-questions. please go annoy your relatives and friends. furthermore, you are extremely short sighted. are you aware rice was dumped in some African countries which ruined their local rice farmers? ever heard of learned helplessness? ever considered that not all children in 3rd world countries starve to death? if anyone wants to ramble on, please do so on the chat list. or bugger of to digg. You're aware that by offering your opinion while chastising people for doing likewise, you're contributing to the topic you're chastising, right? ;-) -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: disk clone app
Jean-Paul Natola wrote: Hi everyone, sorry for the off-topic, but im ready to pull the last hairs off my head- a few months I downloaded an open source disk clone program for a friend of mine but it was like 3 am, it worked great booted from floppy and cloned the drive- Now that I really need I can find it for the life of me- I've been scouring through sourceforge and can seem to find it- Anyone out there can shed some light for me? There's RIPLinux and another bootable disk that utilize Partimage...that's what we use for making images of partitions. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Virtualization
Erik Osterholm wrote: On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 11:57:20PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: There's a donation box on http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/2007cb.html for developers to get VMWare Workstation working on FreeBSD but the status of the project is unknown. There's also some indication someone is working on VirtualBox but that's probably in very early stages (and besides that, VirtualBox doesn't work reliably). I have to disagree with the last VirtualBox comment. It seems to work quite well for the operating systems it supports (mostly Linux and Windows as guests.) Sadly, FreeBSD as a guest just doesn't seem to fly. From the sounds of it, if you're looking to host other server environments, FreeBSD isn't a solution to really consider. If you're looking to just test some configurations periodically, FreeBSD has some options, but not as many as Linux :-( Thanks for the information, everyone. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Virtualization
I was curious with the information coming out regarding FreeBSD 7 what option are available for virtualizing other OS's using FreeBSD as a host. I've been running several servers (Windows of various versions and a Linux system) as virtual machines under VMWare Server for Linux for about a year now. I remember there were some problems with trying to get FreeBSD to run VMWare previously? Is anyone virtualizing systems using a FreeBSD host, and if so what are you using? Or is FreeBSD primarily just useful for being a virtual guest if it isn't on the physical machine? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Portupgrade used to be fun!!!
Jona Joachim wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 00:12:49 -0400 E. J. Cerejo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not anymore! Every time I cvsup my ports tree and I see all of those ports that need to be updated my belly aches and that's because portupgrade doesn't work the way it used to work. It is not fun any more! Always an issue, either a port conflicts with another port or it fails all together. I have forgotten the last time I updated my ports without any issues. Today scrollkeeper is conflicting with rarian, they install files on the same directory. Go figure. Those were the days when it used to work. From /usr/ports/UPDATING: Portupgrade users: # pkgdb -Ff # portupgrade -f -o textproc/rarian textproc/scrollkeeper # portupgrade -a Seems like a PEBKAC. From http://code.google.com/p/rarian/ : Rarian (formerly Spoon) is a documentation meta-data library, designed as a replacement for Scrollkeeper. Not a portupgrade issue. Knowing how this will probably cause flame issues, it *could* be argued that it is a portupgrade issue and not necessarily a pebkac issue. These tools are supposed to automate upgrade and figure and sort dependency issues and such automatically as much as possible. Slowly I see more and more instances of people having to refer to UPDATING to do more manual alterations to sort issues out. Where is the line drawn between too much manual supplemental fixes and people wanting to be able to issue a couple of commands to upgrade their system without breaking something, perhaps something they rely on in a production environment? Just a thought. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what kind of UPS will work best?
Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, Rob wrote: think. Most the draw in a residence is the HVAC. what is this? HVAC? Heating and air conditioning, I believe. No? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what kind of UPS will work best?
Gary Kline wrote:
Hi Folks,
Recently, a storm happened and the power surge blew me
off-line. Time to get serious about buying a UPS that will
handle my four main servers for at-most, a 10-second power
outage. After that, shut down my computers. It took me 90
minutes of up and down and crawling around last time. That's
the *why*. Is there a best type to save me from this?
APC makes GREAT UPS's and have good support. I once blew out an APC by
miswiring a switch on a computer (don't ask). I called tech support,
they agreed that what I told them had happened shouldn't have happened,
and shipped me a new UPS for free, without any hassle. From that point
on, I swore I'd go APC first.
Do any of
these power supplies come with scripts to shutdown a Unix {or
Linux} computer?
Not that I know of...there's daemons you can install for that purpose,
though.
Is there a UPS that is designed for heavy use
and a very short (5- to 10-second) uptime?
Generally you need to add up your power requirements and match the load
to the UPS's power rating.
I'll need one that can
interface thru the COM ports or the UBS port, if that is how
these devices work.
Today it's common to have a USB interface.
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Re: Managing very large files
Steve Bertrand wrote: Heiko Wundram (Beenic) wrote: Am Donnerstag 04 Oktober 2007 22:16:29 schrieb Steve Bertrand: This is what I am afraid of. Just out of curiosity, if I did try to read the entire file into a Perl variable all at once, would the box panic, or as the saying goes 'what could possibly go wrong'? Perl most certainly wouldn't make the box panic (at least I hope so :-)), but would barf and quit at some point in time when it can't allocate any more memory (because all memory is in use). Meanwhile, your swap would've filled up completely, and your box would've become totally unresponsive, which goes away instantly the second Perl is dead/quits. Try it. ;-) (at your own risk) LOL, on a production box?...nope. Hence why I asked here, probing if someone has made this mistake before I do ;) Isn't that what VMWare is for? ;-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Update on data corruption with Tyan/3Ware
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bart Silverstrim Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:05 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Chris Boyd; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Update on data corruption with Tyan/3Ware Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: 3ware is supported by the manufacturer - what do they say? Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Boyd Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:54 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Update on data corruption with Tyan/3Ware Here's an update on my odd problem. Thanks to Don B for some hints that helped us start looking in a better directions. System is a Tyan Thunder K8SE motherboard with dual Opteron 250 2.4GHz CPUs and a 3Ware 9550SX-4LP PCI Express four port RAID controller running in RAID 5. Disks are 4x Seagate 500GB SATA. 4GB Memory. Latest BIOS and firmware on mobo and RAID controller. FreeBSD 6.2 AMD64 with all patches as of 9-21-2007 We've narrowed the problem down to files that are 4GB. Anytime we have a file that's 4GB, we get inconsistent checksums, can't uncompress it, etc. Files 4GB are fine. So is this a RAID controller issue? A filesystem problem? All hints appreciated. How are you getting the files on the system? Network transfer? Direct copy from a disc? What filesystem is it you're using? 3ware is well supported under Linux, from what I can tell and what I've experienced, and can't imagine that a manufacturer with a good track record of driver support for Linux for so long would not support FreeBSD as well. Bart and Chris, The problem might be that the 3ware driver uses a 32 bit int to represent a file size. In FreeBSD, stat() ftruncate() lseek() and friends which are based on strut stat had this limitation under FreeBSD 4.xx. Note line# 821 of twe_freebsd.c the driver: sc-twed_disk-d_maxsize = (TWE_MAX_SGL_LENGTH - 1) * PAGE_SIZE; sc-twed_disk-d_sectorsize = TWE_BLOCK_SIZE; sc-twed_disk-d_mediasize = TWE_BLOCK_SIZE * (off_t)sc-twed_drive-td_size; sc-twed_disk-d_fwsectors = sc-twed_drive-td_sectors; that off_t also appears elsewhere. I'm not a driver programmer but I'd bet the driver hasn't been updated for 64 bit FreeBSD. A) Holy @[EMAIL PROTECTED] job and thank you for pointing that out! :-) B) Does that mean that this would affect all 3Ware products on FreeBSD, or only when running the 64 bit OS? I believe I am storing 4+ gig files on a Linux system with a 3Ware controller in it and to my knowledge there hasn't been any problems with it. Sorry if it's a silly question...I'm not a programmer. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Update on data corruption with Tyan/3Ware
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: 3ware is supported by the manufacturer - what do they say? Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Boyd Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:54 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Update on data corruption with Tyan/3Ware Here's an update on my odd problem. Thanks to Don B for some hints that helped us start looking in a better directions. System is a Tyan Thunder K8SE motherboard with dual Opteron 250 2.4GHz CPUs and a 3Ware 9550SX-4LP PCI Express four port RAID controller running in RAID 5. Disks are 4x Seagate 500GB SATA. 4GB Memory. Latest BIOS and firmware on mobo and RAID controller. FreeBSD 6.2 AMD64 with all patches as of 9-21-2007 We've narrowed the problem down to files that are 4GB. Anytime we have a file that's 4GB, we get inconsistent checksums, can't uncompress it, etc. Files 4GB are fine. So is this a RAID controller issue? A filesystem problem? All hints appreciated. How are you getting the files on the system? Network transfer? Direct copy from a disc? What filesystem is it you're using? 3ware is well supported under Linux, from what I can tell and what I've experienced, and can't imagine that a manufacturer with a good track record of driver support for Linux for so long would not support FreeBSD as well. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me, please! - too much about GUI
Rolf G Nielsen wrote: Reid Linnemann wrote: My ten year old niece has been brainwashed by the GUI quagmire. She saw my FreeBSD 6-STABLE console on my amd64 3000+ and wanted to know why i was using such an old computer. She had the visual aspect of the user interface ingrained as a measure of the capabilities of the machine. Granted, it could be only because she's ten, but I think we'd find a lot of people think that something has to have more blinky lights and chrome to be better or faster. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I seriously doubt that it's only because she's ten. A friend of mine (who's 37) defines user-friendliness based on the number of tasks he can complete through a GUI. I used to think like that too, but not any longer. I first tried FreeBSD in 1998, but I couldn't get anything running. I just had no idea how, and I was expecting a nice user-friendly GUI, like Windoze, but without the constant crashes. In 1999 I purchased The complete FreeBSD, 3rd edition with CDs included, and this my second try was a lot more sucessful. I was still after a fancy GUI, but this time I got things working. Not without effort though. Over the years since I first tried FreeBSD, my ideas about ease of use have changed quite a lot. I no longer define user-friendliness based on what I can do in the GUI; actually, I'm often annoyed by all the menus, submenus and all the whistles and bells. It's really a lot easier to edit a text file to change some setting, than browsing through heaps of buttons, drop-down lists and all that. I think what everyone seems to be missing is that you know something about your computer. You want a directory? Dir. Unless you're using Unix. Then it's ls. How would you have known this without some background in using the system, if you were just plunked down in front of it? (Jurassic Park...Hey! I know this!) For people interested in computers, it isn't a chore to learn about various commands or even learning how to learn about commands. It's not a chore to learn how the system works. For computer oriented people the user-friendliness bar is far higher in tolerance than for your average user. The computer user is as enthused about learning how to find a file (or know where the hell they're storing the [EMAIL PROTECTED] file...) as I am finding out the differences among radial tire options for my car or what the building codes are for my home when remodeling or learning why my tax forms are so @#$%! difficult to navigate through. User friendliness means they *don't need to think about a task*, and they will put up with a small amount of hassle to achieve a task as long as it isn't a pain in the arse for them to get from A to B. Sorry, but the quickest way for them to sit down and figure something out without having to refer to extra books and cheatsheets is by a (well designed) GUI. It can give them something to experiment with, and the interface presents them with a pointer and a mouse and menus to hint at options rather than a directionless blinking cursor. They can interact with it. If well designed, it can guide them through tasks. The command line is MUCH faster for many tasks, given that you know what you're doing with it. Train someone on a rote task and the command line would be just fine for what they would do. Type this...then this...then this...then hit enter...then print this... and the CLI is very user friendly. For users to feel comfortable on their own or in doing something flexible, the GUI is just more comfortable for them and it reduces the need to actually have to think. So it does little good for presumably tech-oriented people to proclaim how the command line is leaps and bounds friendlier/faster to use. Anyone who does user support should know that the average user would be required to think in order to use the system if it simply presents them with a flashing cursor. What do I do? What do I type? Does it read English? What is my paperwork even called? And before I reach for the asbestos suit, yes, there's a learning curve to GUIs. But the GUI still makes them more comfortable than using the keyboard. Crimony, the given the inability for people to even use the words LOSE and LOOSE properly, why the hell would anyone think the masses would find the keyboard more intuitive or easier to use with computers than a simple palm-sized plastic block with a button on it? Until computer interfaces are as easy to use as the LCARS system on the Enterprise or the computer interface on Atlantis (Stargate, if you're unfamiliar), the most comfortable thing for users to interact with will be pretty pictures and dancing eye candy to act as a reinforcement and reward for users who don't give a #!#% about how or why
Re: Convince me, please!
Latitude wrote: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows. For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other operating systems? I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem to understand the monumental fear involved in switching operating systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives to what I have. A) I don't think the FreeBSD team is on a crusade to convert the masses. B) If you want to try it, download the CDs, learn how to partition your drive or get a spare hard disk or buy virtualization software, and you can install it side-by-side with Windows to tinker and learn the OS. C) If Windows is annoying you so much that you're driven to learn another OS, welcome aboard. If you're just hoping for a turnkey solution you may need to switch to a Mac, where you'll still have a learning curve. I'm not trying to chase you away from trying it, but it's a fact that there's no way for you to just go out and get a Windows that works. There's no instant fix to whatever frustrates you about your OS on your system. There's going to be a learning curve. Some are steeper than others, and UNIX has a heritage in the server environment and high-end workstation environments, and it shows. The whole home user bit was not a priority. You may want to invest in a book or two from Amazone or BN, or spend time reading the FreeBSD handbook, which you'll get as a response more often than you'd like on this list because most of your basic questions are answered there. Really your best bet is to use virtualization software or familiarize yourself with dual-booting. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB keyboard not recognized at bootup
Oscar Chavarria wrote: On 8/3/07, Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oscar Chavarria wrote: I have a GENERIC kernel. The /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC file contains the following under the USB Support section (among other devices): device usb #USB Bus (required) device uhid#Human Interface Devices device ukbd #Keyboard Nevertheless, the keyboard is useless, not recognized until FreeBSD takes control, for example to choose the type of bootup: safe, single user, reboot, etc. Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. How old is the computer? Does the BIOS support USB devices...? You may need a BIOS update, or the system you have just doesn't support USB at bootup... It's quite new, less than a year (Pentium IV, VIA motherboard) and it does support USB. As a matter of fact, the keybr does work after bootup. I also mounted a USB HDD on /usr/home with no problem. Ah. Some motherboards support USB but need to have the OS support them, hence the reason that things would work after bootup and initialization is complete. Other systems have built-in handler code in the BIOS so that you can use USB-based toys for things like booting from USB thumbdrives or USB keyboards to configure BIOS settings. If your system is the former, it would explain why you see things working after the OS takes over (much like some hard disks not being seen correctly until Linux bypasses BIOS code) and you may need an update to the BIOS. If the latter, then I don't know why your system isn't seeing USB toys until after the OS drivers take over. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Transparent email proxy
Olivier Nicole wrote: Hi, As an ISP, or the person in charge of a large organisation, have you ever set-up a transparent email redirection: all outgoing email would be proceeded to an outgoing server in order to check for virus, spam, whatever. Incoming mail, yes. Outgoing, no, I haven't. But I thought only a few kinds of bots are using your user's email server settings...aren't most still direct sending from the user's system (turning zombies into the mail relay, not having the zombies flood the provider's mail server?) The only way to stop the former that I know of is to have your routers only allow port 25 traffic outbound from your legit mail server only and all others are blocked. You might also want to set up a way to have it report attempts to send mail out from your clients so you can see how many of your users may be infected with something. You'd then need to probably set up your UNIX system to accept email and scan it before forwarding it on. It should be relatively easy using Postfix and Amavisd-new (Amavis can be tied to clamav and Spamassassin). I am trying to figure out a new incoming bastion mail server scheme now...but our original does something like this for incoming mail now. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: Bart Silverstrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:08 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: John Levine; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam You're making it sound as if greylisting is a terrible idea NO. I'm making it sound like greylisting is NOT the world's answer to stopping spam. It's NOT a miracle cure, it is NOT the last, best hope for peace. If that is the case, you didn't understand me either...I believe that at this point it takes layers to try stopping spam and viruses, and there are tradeoffs to be made. It isn't a cure and I don't think I professed it was. Obviously you have a severe problem with this. All I can say to that is if you put all your spamfighting eggs in one basket, your foolish. Curious...where did I say that was all I was using? Give it a rest. That is one wart on greylisting. There are others. Just as there are warts on all other spamfighting tools. Um...you were bringing it up and focusing on it. Every time you claimed what a terrible thing this was for your monitoring system, I would say it's not as big a problem as you were making it out to be. I, and others most likely, are saying that it wouldn't take much for you to get it working just fine whether the cell carrier used it or not. And even then, you haven't made a case that ISPs or businesses still couldn't use it Right, because it was never my intention to make a case for NOT using it. That wasn't how it appeared. You disparaged it every time as to why it wouldn't work for you if XYZ happened, so it very much appeared that you didn't want it. It was my original intention to show that greylisting worked because it allows the blacklists time to get the submitter in their lists, not because all spammers cannot tolerate greylisting delays because they are sending spam so fast. Which is what one of the OP's claimed was how greylisting worked. I would disagree on the blacklisting part. I think that a lot of the bulk software *doesn't* retry, a lot of it is spoofing headers so mail isn't going back to where it would if the sender were legitimate, etc. Having to send mail to a location more than once means expending 2 connects instead of 1. It's a very small tax, but it's one I'm willing to impose if it makes their lives one tenth of one percent more of a hassle. I then added to this later on the intention to show that depending on greylisting alone will not work in the long haul, because it is easy to program around it. Which the spammers will do once a majority of sites use greylisting, and indeed, many spammers are already starting to do right now. Like I said...if it taxes their resources even one tenth of one percent, I'm for it. yah yah yah whatever. As I said before, you are so lost and hung up on the monitoring example that you have completely misinterpreted everything that I've said. Then why did you keep harping on it after I and others pointed out why your complaint wasn't such a show stopper? The point was not to get sidetracked into this stupid monitoring example discussion. The point was to discuss the merits and problems of greylisting. Then start doing that. You said it wouldn't work in all cases, because XYZ. We said, hey, that's not a big deal because ABC. You continued to harp on XYZ. Try bringing up DEF next time. I frankly think that you are so in love with greylisting that you are deliberately trying to AVOID a discussion of it's merits - because you cannot bear to hear anything bad about it. I'm interested in knowing where in my discussions I said it was the only thing to use, the only one I DO use, and that it was a cureall that I loved so much. I was personally looking at trying to combine SA, greylisting, and tarpitting, along with filtering by headers and stripping or sanitizing attachments/HTML if possible. You never even TRIED to bring up any other solution nor did you discuss the effectiveness of other methods when combined. If you did, point it out. At most, as I recall, you mentioned SA was more effective than greylisting (so? Combine them. Greylisting helps lower the system load when a message does get to SA). You pointed out you use greylisting and it was dying out in effectiveness, and you gave an example that hinted if certain businesses use it your world would fall apart because you wouldn't be notified in time and your customers would leave you in droves. In summary, I run several busy mailservers, all that use greylisting. I have used greylisting for quite a while. You can believe that or not. As I recall, I asked you how you have it set up on your system(s) since you previously said you ran it and saw the effect diminishing. It seems to me that you're almost making things up as to what I've said or not said, since I never implied you were lying or that I didn't
Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: Bart Silverstrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:05 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Christopher Hilton; User Questions Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam Both of those are assumptions your making that are just not true anymore. Spammers are adapting to greylisting. I've been running it for at least 2 years now and every month more and more spam is making it past the greylist and getting caught by spamassassin. As I mentioned previously, it does not take a lot of programming effort to do it. Sure they're adapting. They're also adapting to Spamassassin. That's a bit different. It is trivial to adapt to greylisting. It is not trivial to adapt to spamassassin, particularly if they have the learner turned on. Yes, it takes more. I would also say that when it's a game of them blasting out as much as possible to hammer 1 or 2 through for every 1000 that doesn't, greylisting isn't something they all think about, especially if greylisting is contributing to a backup in their sending queue (or it is bouncing mail to nonexistent mail servers to retry later, and since they don't exist or didn't send it in the first place, the message *won't come back*). My point is/was that no matter what you're trying, until there's solid authentication of senders in place any statistical or gee-whiz method of combating SPAM will be met by adaptation, so dismissing a method just because it's simple to bypass doesn't mean it isn't going to stop a few more of the messages. The fact that it doesn't take a lot of programming effort isn't the reason, Yes, it is actually. Because for the simple reason that the small amount of programming effort required makes it possible to countermand greylisting AT ALL. And also make the spammer advertise who is sending the mail and thus allow it to be tracked. It isn't possible, I think, for a spammer to programmically get through a SA setup with the learner turned on, that has a dictionary that has been built up through both ham and spam submissions. The main reason spammers do get past that has more to do with the difficult of getting normal users to properly feed the learner. But the problem from the spammers point of view is that in the Internet, 10 different SA sites could have 10 different rules. But 10 different greylist sites will all act the same, so if your going to put effort into countering the filters, you would be smarter to counter greylisting first. It's still one more hurdle. Tarpitting, greylisting, SPF, reversing MX records...all simple things to get around, yet add one more layer of headache for the spammer. Why make it easier for them? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Ted, usually I find your posts intelligent and food for thought, but I almost think you're doing this on purpose now. No, the problem is you haven't understood the point I was making. Here's the summary as I understand it. You're against greylisting because: a) it's easy to circumvent b) you use it, but the effectiveness has been wearing off c) greylisting could mean that you would not be notified if your servers went down and cell companies started using greylisting, or you would be notified with a huge delay Is this accurate? When you're setting it up, you would set up manually to have your own system whitelisted. The system that would cause problems if it ran greylisting is not MY system. It's the mailserver owned by the cellular company that I am sending to. If they went and installed greylisting it is highly unlikely I could get them to whitelist me. (have you ever, for example, tried to get a system off AOL's internal blacklist?) It is a huge pain, and while the administrative BS is a pain in the butt to cut through, the difference between blacklisting and greylisting is that greylisting isn't a block. It's a pause. And automatic pause. Blacklisting can impede you with little recourse for an indefinite period of time, but greylisting just tells your server to try again later. This is exactly what would happen if you were having actual mail server problems. I was mistaken previously in thinking you were referring to your own server running the greylist. But I still stand by the assertion that it's not so big a problem when someone else is running it...send a couple messages periodically and it should allow your domain into their mail servers without delay. Well for starters I have to know that the cell carrier is in fact greylisting. You can't put a workaround in for something you don't know. Doesn't this help kind of prove my point, if it's a measure you don't even know is there? If you send a test message periodically and it becomes delayed in your queue, then suddenly goes through, I would speculate that they're greylisting. Some systems may even issue a message to that effect when you connect. If you keep sending periodic keepalives, you should see them go through without getting stuck in the mail queue. As far as I know they aren't greylisting right now - but if they start up doing it in the future I doubt I'll be told in advance. For all I know they have a cluster of SMTP receivers and sending a page a week might not get all of them updated. And they might expire before a week, or they might be expiring at a week then without warning change it to 3 days. If they're not all getting updated, there's a problem with their implementation. That would be part of the point of using greylisting. Otherwise a message would hit system A, get greylisted, then risk coming in to system B the next time as a fresh connect and then delayed again until the sender either gives up or hits a system that did have the sender listed on the waiting list and allow the message to get through. For another thing I get charged every time I receive a text message on my phone. But mainly, why should I have to do this? I have a life, and cellular pages and calls are intrusive and I have to drop what I'm doing and pay attention to them. And yet you want the servers to page you when you have a problem. There's nothing I can really suggest here because it's an argument in what you can live with. You are going to insist you want it done your way no matter what, to the point where you refuse to carry a second cellphone paid by the employer and you won't test the connection because apparently you have a sucky cell plan that doesn't give you X number of free text messages. You even start saying you have a life and don't want to put up with the messages once a week because it's such a hassle but don't seem to mind putting up with one or two spam messages having to be manually deleted out of the inbox. It's also ironic that you are on call 24/7 and can't get away from the electronic tether but say you have a life that can't be bothered. If I send a page at night then I am going to get woken up at night, if I send a page during the day it might come in when I'm in the middle of a conversation with a customer, if I send it in the evening then who knows I might be in the middle of boffing my S.O. If you scheduled it, you can schedule it for whenever it would probably be most convenient. I can't believe you're so busy you can't spare your phone making a buzz or ding once or twice a week on a regular basis yet you have no problem with the randomness of phone calls and messages from other people or even your servers going down. If this is such a stressor in your life, why are you carrying a cellphone in the first place? Sure, there's Rube Goldberg ways around anything. But the point of this was to illustrate
Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam
On Apr 30, 2007, at 4:36 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I don't understand why people are focusing on trying to redesign the monitoring system I'm using. Don't you have any imagination at all? The point was that there are legitimate situations where the delays introduced by greylisting are a problem. I used the monitoring system as an example to make it easy to grasp the point. If it would help, I'll stop talking about it and use another example. Probably because if this is truly a mission-critical if it fails you're going to lose your business type system, there would be more redundancy than just relying on an email to your cell provider, because: A) greylisting by it's nature will not block you or delay you if you're legit and are registered legit B) what happens when your cell is out of range, off for some reason, fell in the toilet, broken, etc. C) what guarantee do you have your cell phone will be always working 100% of the time D) what if your monitoring system fails because something blocks or breaks email, period You're making it sound as if greylisting is a terrible idea because once your failure system won't notify you for some unspecified period of time. I, and others most likely, are saying that it wouldn't take much for you to get it working just fine whether the cell carrier used it or not. And even then, you haven't made a case that ISPs or businesses still couldn't use it...the inconvenience you point out still could be worked around simply by doing what I suggested before, registering legit by periodically sending a quick message, and if you get charged for a short short message like that, then you probably need a new cell plan if that is pushing you over your free time, or start having your employer compensate you for using your personal equipment for business use. Sure, it's possible to modify the greylist to whitelist. I thought most did. That was part of the way they work. That implies that the sender knows greylisting is happening, knows how to get the recipient to whitelist, it implies the recipient is even willing to whitelist, etc. What greylist program are you using? As I recall systems I've seen like Postgrey automatically track connections and after a certain number of connections will whitelist them, as they would be established as legitimate and, contrary to what your arguments make them out, greylisters aren't there just to slow down everyone's email. Once established, they let the email right through. You're making it sound like it's a huge undertaking to get this ability up and working. Imagine a cell company that puts in greylisting being deluged by 30% of their million-plus userbase requesting to be whitelisted for just the reason I cited. Do you think it would be realistic for the cell company to do this? Realistically the userbase wouldn't really even know. It's the SAME thing that would happen if your email server were screwed up. Your mail server should retry within a sane period of time. The vast majority of your imaginary userbase would probably become whitelisted before they were even aware anything happened. If the majority of those users are using a popular mail service, it's not like 30,000 users are making 30,000 requests to their server. The majority of those users are probably using addresses from hotmail, gmail, etc...so if 10,000 were on hotmail, 15,000 were on gmail, and 5,000 were on aol, what are the odds that there's not already a load of traffic between those sites to the greylisting site? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam
On Apr 30, 2007, at 6:19 AM, cpghost wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 01:16:23AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: The system that would cause problems if it ran greylisting is not MY system. It's the mailserver owned by the cellular company that I am sending to. If they went and installed greylisting it is highly unlikely I could get them to whitelist me. (have you ever, for example, tried to get a system off AOL's internal blacklist?) Yes, that's indeed a problem; but how likely would that be? Cellular operators know that their clients expect speedy delivery of SMS, including those sent via SMTP. They know better than to introduce greylisting latency at the gateway when there's already normal latency at the SMSC. Have you confirmed with your cellular operator that they don't offer additional gateways; e.g. based on ICQ, HTTP and whatnot? Most likely, they don't offer SMPP-over-TCP connections to end-users ( http://www.smsforum.net/ ), but probably to a couple of third-party providers that you could use instead? This won't work because you're suggesting he change the system he likes. No matter what, greylisting to him is apparently impossible because users need their email as an instant messaging service. The possibility of establishing a domain into a whitelist or testing a connection and notification system periodically, which would put his domain into their imaginary whitelist, is simply too inconvenient, unlike the deletion of spam that a greylist could have prevented coming into my inbox. That apparently isn't inconvenient or annoying in the least. I apparently hold the wrong view. I think greylisting is still a pain in the butt for spammers. It causes mail servers to have to take the time to retry email, something spammers don't like wasting time doing. If they're doing something to spoof connections then the mail would not even retry because it's going to an illegitimate or nonexistent mail server. But none of this is possibly even a percentage of help for your mail server. Apparently the extra layers to try slowing or easing the load on your server is a waste because it's *possible* to bypass it without resorting to math magic like the stats poisoning used against SpamAssassin now. For me, I want to slow their servers and waste their resources, just like they waste my CPU and storage space. I don't use email as an IM service nor do I use it as a critical availability service without investing lots and lots of money on redundancy, so I don't see the problem with companies using greylisting. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam
On Apr 29, 2007, at 5:00 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: Bart Silverstrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:01 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Eric Crist; Grant Peel; Christopher Hilton; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam On Apr 28, 2007, at 5:25 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: Bart Silverstrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:58 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Christopher Hilton; Grant Peel; Eric Crist; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam On Apr 26, 2007, at 12:15 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: There are legitimate technical reasons that someone may want their mail to not be greylisted. For example, my cell phone's e-mail address is in our monitoring scripts to page me in the event of a server failure. I would be pretty pissed off if Sprint suddenly started greylisting. It isn't just dumb-ass users making stupid political decisions to reject it, although in your case it probably was. If it is a legitimate mail server, it would be promoted to the auto- whitelist. Not all mail is constantly greylisted by most intelligent greylist systems. Only the first few messages would be delayed, until it is established as legitimate. That won't work in my case since I generally only have a failure that causes a problem which results in paging about once every 3 months or so. By the time the pages got through the greylist it would be at least an hour later after the system had gone down. That isn't acceptable for a notification system. What? What do you mean, a failure that causes a problem which results in paging once every 3 months? If your mail server tries to contact another mail server and it can't reach it, you're saying your mail server doesn't retry for an hour? If the monitoring system notices something down, I have to know about it within a few minutes. I cannot wait for the mailserver that sends the page out to retry sending the page to the cell carrier's mailserver in an hour. Ted, usually I find your posts intelligent and food for thought, but I almost think you're doing this on purpose now. When you're setting it up, you would set up manually to have your own system whitelisted. I would assume that if you really don't own your own domain/mail system, you still would have a provider that would whitelist *themselves* so you could send the email from your provider to yourself. If you're using SMS, I would personally either tell my phone provider about it or send a few messages myself to have it whitelist the entry and then periodically test the system, since really you should be testing such systems periodically anyway (and make sure the listing is still working). You said yourself you use greylisting, I thought. Don't you already have a system like this in place? Things go down rarely. The moonitoring system is not continually sending out pages to my cell phone every day. Many times many months will pass in between the monitoring system sending my cell phone a page. If the cell phone company was running greylisting, any whitelist entry for my monitoring system would be gone by then. We rarely lose power to the buildings, but our generator system still kicks over once a week to test. Why can't you send a page once or twice a week to make sure it's working properly? Things change, things get reconfigured or hiccup, and if this is that critical to you, what's the harm in one or two text messages a month to your phone saying howdy? I mean c'mon...it's so important you must be notified ASAP, but you can't afford to have it test the connection periodically is what it sounds like you're saying. If you're doing something SO critical that three or four mails delayed an hour, until you're establishes as a legit user, means life or death, you definitely should be doing something that backs up how you communicate with other sites, I'm monitoring systems at the ISP I work at. No, it is not life or death if a feed goes down for 3 hours and a bunch of people cannot download their daily freebsd-questions mailing list fix. At least, I don't think so. But they do. And as their money that buys the ISP's product puts the bread on my table, I have to do what they want. It's an interesting conundrum that people will bitch about how stupid their users are yet will turn around and give them what they want to the point where it encourages their bad habits and their reliance on bad practices and their ignorance. I'm not saying you're doing this, this is just a general observation. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam
On Apr 29, 2007, at 4:45 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: Sam Lawrance [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:59 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam Email is not an instant messaging system, no matter how much you want it to be one. Cell phone companies won't take pages any other way no matter how much you want them to. And as I already have to carry a cell phone, I am not going to carry a separate pager also. Email only, eh? I used to send messages to my boss via webform...I suppose that would imply that it's possible to have a message sent by some scripts to a website, unless there's captchas or something like that to defeat that method. But like I said...most people would already have whitelisted vitally important domains, or you could send periodic keepalives to test the system. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam
On Apr 28, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher Hilton Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:45 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: [snip] When I scan my maillogs I find that 22% of the hosts that generate a greylisting entry retry the mail delivery and thus get whitelisted. The other 78% don't attempt redelivery within the greylisting window. That's probably par. However, the reason your putting so much faith in the delaying, is simply that you aren't getting a lot of spam. I have published e-mail addresses. Without greylisting I got about 1500-2000 mail messages a day to each of them. Greylisting isn't just about delaying. IIRC greylisting is filtering for spam/ham based on behaviour in the message originators MTA. My greylister is using two behavioural assumptions: Spamming MTA's don't have the capability to queue and retry mail. Asking them to queue and retry will cause them to drop the mail on the floor thus filtering spam. Spamming MTA's don't like to be tarpitted. Stuttering at them and sizing the TCP Windows so they must wait will result in them disconnecting before they can exchanged mail thus filtering spam. Both of those are assumptions your making that are just not true anymore. Spammers are adapting to greylisting. I've been running it for at least 2 years now and every month more and more spam is making it past the greylist and getting caught by spamassassin. As I mentioned previously, it does not take a lot of programming effort to do it. Sure they're adapting. They're also adapting to Spamassassin. The fact that it doesn't take a lot of programming effort isn't the reason, though, since it doesn't take a lot of effort to NOT TOP POST yet people continue to do so. When I first setup greylisting the results were literally spectacular. Nowadays they are great, but not much beyond that. All of the things your saying about greylisting decreasing the load and all that are true, and just because it's not as effective as it once was doesen't mean you should not use it. But, I am not blind to what my eyes are telling me. In aonther 5 years, greylisting will be like all other spamfilter techniques, effective only against a minority of spam And yet there are still people, despite the problem spammers are creating, who think that email is a vital and reliable service upon which to hinge the success or failure of their business relations. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam
On Apr 28, 2007, at 5:25 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: Bart Silverstrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:58 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Christopher Hilton; Grant Peel; Eric Crist; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam On Apr 26, 2007, at 12:15 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: There are legitimate technical reasons that someone may want their mail to not be greylisted. For example, my cell phone's e-mail address is in our monitoring scripts to page me in the event of a server failure. I would be pretty pissed off if Sprint suddenly started greylisting. It isn't just dumb-ass users making stupid political decisions to reject it, although in your case it probably was. If it is a legitimate mail server, it would be promoted to the auto- whitelist. Not all mail is constantly greylisted by most intelligent greylist systems. Only the first few messages would be delayed, until it is established as legitimate. That won't work in my case since I generally only have a failure that causes a problem which results in paging about once every 3 months or so. By the time the pages got through the greylist it would be at least an hour later after the system had gone down. That isn't acceptable for a notification system. What? What do you mean, a failure that causes a problem which results in paging once every 3 months? If your mail server tries to contact another mail server and it can't reach it, you're saying your mail server doesn't retry for an hour? Even if it does take an hour, the fact that it retried the server on the other side doing the greylisting means it would be whitelisted after a couple mails. If you're doing something SO critical that three or four mails delayed an hour, until you're establishes as a legit user, means life or death, you definitely should be doing something that backs up how you communicate with other sites, or you're not such a big fish that the other sites have already added you manually to their whitelists like AOL or Amazon mail servers would most likely be already, or other local ISPs that are known legit and I just don't feel like waiting for the system to add them automatically. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wikipedia's perfection (was Re: Discussion of the relative advantages/disadvantages of PAE (was Re: Memory 3.5GB not used?))
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 03:59:43PM +0200, Svein Halvor Halvorsen wrote: Bill Moran wrote: A friend of mine going for his Dr. at CMU (Patrick Wagstrom: GNOME guy) describes an exercise where a professor intentionally injected false information into Wikipedia, then gave his students a research assignment that involved that information. Apparently the number of students who trusted the false information without verifying it was quite high. I should take that as a lesson that most people _don't_ know how to verify the validity of information and be more careful when I make sarcastic statements. Lee Capps wrote: That's interesting, though, to pick a nit, it may just show that students were in a hurry, rather than that they necessarily trust the info or that they don't know _how_ to verify the info. And also: Where is this professor's ethics? Does he also misinform the students in class, only to later accuse them of not verifying the facts? And did he even think about the fact that others may have read his misinformation? Why does this professor think that his agenda is more important than Wikipedia's? Did he later correct the articles? How is it unethical? He altered information and tested his students to see if they'd verify it. Although unless it was information relating to their major I don't see why he should berate them for not checking. I'm not likely to care enough to double- or triple- check information on many many topics out there if it's something irrelevant to my line of work or my interests/hobbies. Now, if he LEFT the information vandalized, that would be unethical, since others out there may rely on the information and he knowingly left it with misleading data, since the whole idea behind the Wiki is that people with knowledge will share their knowledge and not mislead people. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wikipedia's perfection (was Re: Discussion of the relative advantages/disadvantages of PAE (was Re: Memory 3.5GB not used?))
On Apr 25, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Wednesday, April 25, 2007 15:29:04 -0400 Thomas Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 01:15:03PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: No kidding. That professor should have his Wikipedia account banned, and the head of his department should be informed of his vandalism. I don't suppose you know the name of his Wikipedia account, or his legal name. . . . yawn. That sort of research has been going on for years. Less interesting is the sort of trash emitted by people who don't like knowing that whatever they've read on a webpage might not be completely accurate, and that they might have to do some of their own thinking. regards. At one time I had high hopes that the internet would usher in a new era of increased knowledge and reduced gullibility. Instead it seems to have simply hastened the arrival to the wrong conclusions. There are opportunities for increased knowledge. Gullibility, though, is part of our human nature. How many of you delve four levels deep when looking for a quick reference on something that, in the long run, you care little about? If you're not a mechanic or car enthusiast, do you look into anything and everything on how a clutch works, or every variation of four wheel drive implementations? Probably not. We don't devote time and resources into being renaissance people. For me, I look up the answer, if it sounds reasonable, I go with it unless someone else points out a deficiency in the answer. I need a quick and dirty answer to move on to things I *do* care about. The problem is that people will accept an answer whether it makes sense or not. We had someone once convinced that a Laser Car Wash cleaned cars by shooting small lasers at the car to clean it. It was something so far left field of what they're interested in and knowledgeable about that they just accepted the answer, even though there's no way such a system would be affordable (or safe enough) to use as a car washing tool. Then again, there are those that do this intentionally, because spreading misinformation is in their best interest and they profit from it. Even schools profit, not necessarily monetarily, by keeping students from questioning what they are taught. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam
On Apr 26, 2007, at 12:15 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: There are legitimate technical reasons that someone may want their mail to not be greylisted. For example, my cell phone's e-mail address is in our monitoring scripts to page me in the event of a server failure. I would be pretty pissed off if Sprint suddenly started greylisting. It isn't just dumb-ass users making stupid political decisions to reject it, although in your case it probably was. If it is a legitimate mail server, it would be promoted to the auto- whitelist. Not all mail is constantly greylisted by most intelligent greylist systems. Only the first few messages would be delayed, until it is established as legitimate. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: test
On Apr 16, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Bob Middaugh wrote: Please don't top post. Maybe he can't read and that's why the unsub link is useless? That would also explain the top posting to a degree. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: squid
On Mar 16, 2007, at 10:51 AM, RW wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:45:22 + neo neo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How to configure to use my FreeBSD as a proxy with Squid ? Just install it and read the notes that are printed-out at the end of the install. What exactly is the question regarding Squid? How to configure some feature, how to get clients to work with it, what is a proxy...? You might want to google for Squid and read the docs on their project home page if you're totally lost on what and how it works. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
firewall/proxy question
I am trying to find a way to stop some people on our network from accessing certain websites. We have been using Squid with SquidGuard on an older FreeBSD system. The Squid that was installed from ports doesn't seem to see https: connections. From what I can find, this appears to be normal behavior since https: connections are encrypted. Is there some way to set up ipfw to block access to port 443 if the URL/IP matches a certain address? These users are bypassing our filter rules by accessing a proxy site that is using https. The current ruleset on the box is 00049 allow tcp from filter machine IP to any 00050 fwd filter machine IP,3128 tcp from any to any 80 00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0 00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8 00300 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any 65000 allow ip from any to any 65535 deny ip from any to any Can someone help with some suggestions? Does the Linux firewall system have a similar way to block access to a particular IP if it were doing forwarding? We were experimenting with a new proxy machine but it is running Ubuntu. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Proxy question
We are currently running Squid and SquidGuard on FreeBSD for monitoring/proxying web browsing activity at our workplace. The problem is that some users figured out how to use a specific type of proxy to bypass protections...specifically, they're going through an https site. Is it possible to run a proxy that can monitor https connections and block them if necessary? -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: will it work?
On Jan 3, 2007, at 1:16 PM, X X wrote: Hello, I want to have a home server on my network. I have a pc with AMD Athlon xp 2200+ processor, 1gb ddr ram, 2- 500gb hard drives, 10/100 lan. I need it to serve files to 5 computers. It has to allow remote access from outside the network by administrator. It has to allow me to serve 2 websites. It has to be a ftp server. It needs to work with both windows and macs on the network. It has to have the ability to run automated backups to either internal hd (like raid mirroring) or usb external hd. It will be connected to the home network by wired ethernet. It will NOT have to dhcp (router does that). Is there a way to set up freebsd to work as this type of server? Will it work? Yes, you can do that. Should you? If you're absolutely green around the collar, you need to get a book like the FreeBSD Unleashed book and/or the FreeBSD bible, where it can step you through the steps necessary to configure this. You're asking several questions at once. For example, access from the outside in. For what services? SSH? Windows sharing? It could be something as simple as just forwarding port 22 to your server from the home router. Windows sharing? Much more complicated...you're talking about using a VPN to do that. Web sites...you probably would want Apache with virtual hosting. Possible, more complicated than many people want to try tackling as a first project. Your server would need a static, not DHCP, address. Automated backups? That can be done with some kind of cron script or using Amanda. I'd strongly recommend an external hard drive or two so you can move them offsite, and if storage allows, use RAID 1 on your drives just to have better drive integrity. FTP services should not be hard, using something like ProFTP. But why? Is it just you using this network, or family with their own accounts? Random strangers? I ask because a lot of file transfers can be done using SSH/SCP (using a utility on the Mac like Fugu, and Windows should have a utility like that using SSH in the background). You'll also want to use something like ClamAV and chkrootkit and rkhunter on your system to check for intrusion, and probably also add on some kind of file integrity system like Tripwire. If you're considering printers, I'd strongly urge you to splurge on a network printer from HP. That way they can be used when computers are off, and setting them up are just a matter of pointing a virtual port or printer setup to an hp port on a particular IP address (plus, of course, the driver for that model printer). I found that it gets kind of weird to configure a Unix system to pose as a Windows system to hand out Windows printer shares to non-Windows (ie, Mac) systems. It can be done, but...well, maybe it's just me. Anyway, get the big books that go over the details of the type of project you're looking at, and break down your project into individual goals. As you worded the question it can indeed be done, but if you've never done anything like this before it may be a bit much to swallow in one fell swoop unless you have a buddy or two that's familiar with this type of setup. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
On Dec 20, 2006, at 6:39 PM, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 03:06:34PM -0800, Terabyte Pete wrote: It's all true U know it. What's your title - head 'driver instal complicator'??? HAHAHAHAHAHA Enjoy your peddling I.T. services. Would all B so unnecessary if U actually gave a shit about making things MENU DRIVEN so a NORMAL PERSON could operate your SHIT without having 2 memorize some effing code encyclopedia. Sounds like you have some programming work ahead of you. Get busy now and maybe you'll have something by 2040 or so. This is open source freeware created by volunteers you know. You ain't paying me enough to take your crap or ignorance. He's solution oriented, remember? As long as someone hands him the solution, he's happy :-) Besides, if you want him to program a solution, I think first someone would have to donate a new keyboard to him. His seems to be missing some keys. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
On Dec 20, 2006, at 11:20 AM, Andy Greenwood wrote: On 12/20/06, Terabyte Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 7:04 AM, Wednesday, December 20, 2006 In Winblow$, the release bundling of IE was purposely as crippleware, virus, bug delivery system 2 trap people into constantly 'upgrading'. A simple comparisson of Windows 95 side-by-side with the final Windows ME various IE 'upgrades' illustrates how the supposedly 'new improved' stuff is actually about 1/5 the speed, about 10X less reliable. The Ephiphany: A similar crippleware model exists in UNIX Linux, BSD, Dragonfly, IRIX, Open VMS, etc! But what is the method of crippling? The USER INTERFACE is purposely difficult to use, requiring vast tracts of arcane code 'switches' the user is 'supposed' to be able to remember. The OS Kernels are designed to require constant patching or nothing runs properly when 'upgrading' softwares. What is the result? Well, the OS applications may be free, but the system administrator type costs are not. I have concluded, in a flash of insight, that all of the non- windows OSes, save perhaps TRON (which is a Jap OS that is actually designed to simply WORK - runs most cell phones, anti-lock brakes, etc.) - the function of most free OSes softwares is to create a market for engineering services to create a functional environment with them. snip *shrug* another troll to eventually ignore. More people follow up to him, soon the self-anointed guardians of the list will start complaining, eventually the thread dies down (even though it would die sooner if the guardians wouldn't chime in to complain)... This is just another guy complaining because the OS isn't made to his specific expectations while at the same time not being irritated enough to sit and learn how to program his own OS or apparently learn how to configure what he has already. You already know the maturity level he's approaching the problem with when you see how he refers to Microsoft and cuts his words down to teen txt msg tlk LOL!. It's interesting to me that he knows enough of the industry to throw out names like TRON without recognizing that embedded single-purpose OS's are a different ballgame from OS's expected to handle everything from home finance software to the latest World of Warcraft client, since it adds layers upon layers of complexity as the number of lines of code is increased. Also there's the fact that OS's are driven by customers and marketing, not necessarily purpose. OS's are released when they are deemed good enough or stable enough, since overall you losing some addresses or a paper due the next day doesn't result in someone dying, unlike devices like a car computer where a software failure may potentially mean brakes not engaging properly. If he doesn't like the interface of a free operating system, try another distro. There's only a few hundred out there (it seems). What exactly are you looking for? I mean, of course it's not too simple...the closest thing you can get to that is the Mac, and that's because of interface guidelines that are (mostly) followed to keep things consistent. Linux evolves in belches and burps on winds generated by programmer itches. Something annoys the programmer, they code a solution. Programmers are not average people. Hence, you're seeing the result of a lot of eclectic priority shifts and itches that have been scratched. Is there an arrogance to their attitude? Probably. They do this for free in most cases and customize things as they can use them to make the system more user friendly, where user friendly means friendly to them. Sysadmins have paid their dues to get things working until they're comfortable with it or can get comfortable with it. Guess what...that's the price you pay for freedom and flexibility. You have to learn to use it. Don't want to do that? Pay someone to configure an interface with big shiny buttons marked INTERNET BROWSER, EMAIL, WRITE LETTERS. Isn't that what users want, someone to do the work for them? That's the real epiphany. After years of tech support, I realized I was totally wrong. I thought users wanted to learn how to use that expensive piece of equipment. I thought they had the curiosity I had, the fascination that something looking so simple was capable of making movies, writing stories, finding information...so much potential. All they needed was the knowledge to see how the puzzle fit together. I was totally wrong! What they wanted was for someone to come and DO the work for them. They wanted just an end task, and the computer was what someone pointed them to in order to do it. Set up a printer? How many times do I need to explain the same damned procedure to the same user? Ooohyou don't mean it when you ask how to do it. You want me to come over and DO it for you! Every time you screw it up,
forwarding as a gateway, logging certain traffic
This will probably be kind of wordy, but I could use some advice on how to track it. I have a freebsd system acting as a gateway (it's using IP forwarding) so it can act as a web proxy server and filter for the users. It is also filtering incoming email to act as a mail filter between the Internet and our internal Exchange server. The firewall rules used for forwarding information to Squid are rather simple. Ipfw -list gives: *** 00049 allow tcp from 10.46.255.253 to any 00050 fwd 10.46.255.253,3128 tcp from any to any 80 00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0 00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8 00300 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any 65000 allow ip from any to any 65535 deny ip from any to any The DHCP server then hands out the IP of the FreeBSD server as the gateway address. Something inside our network is infected with a spam-mailing trojan. We now have our PIX firewall set to block all outgoing traffic to port 25 unless it is from our mail server. After setting up a syslog monitor and checking the logs to see if the culprit would appear, what should appear but...the FreeBSD server. Then I smack my forehead; of course it would show up. It's supposed to be the gateway. The trojan computer hits the BSD system and from there hits the PIX...the PIX will be useless to find the culprit. Is there some way to get the FreeBSD system to log machines using port 25 without interfering with the FreeBSD machine's filtering of email function? Or at least make the traffic visible to sniffing with tcpdump or wireshark or ethereal? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: forwarding as a gateway, logging certain traffic
On Sep 12, 2006, at 4:28 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Sep 12, 2006, at 1:08 PM, Bill Moran wrote: Is there some way to get the FreeBSD system to log machines using port 25 without interfering with the FreeBSD machine's filtering of email function? Or at least make the traffic visible to sniffing with tcpdump or wireshark or ethereal? Off the top of my head ... ipfw add 25 log tcp from any to any 25 should work. There are certain kernel configs you have to have in place for logging to work, though. Better to use something like: ipfw add 1 log tcp from any to me 25 setup If Bart would like to use tcpdump for the same purpose, consider running something like: tcpdump -nt 'port 25 and (tcp[tcpflags] tcp-syn != 0)' Maybe my ipfw is old; it kept telling me that log is an invalid action. However, I think I may be able to get the tcpdump idea to work. Thanks! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: forwarding as a gateway, logging certain traffic
On Sep 12, 2006, at 4:45 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Sep 12, 2006, at 1:37 PM, Bart Silverstrim wrote: Better to use something like: ipfw add 1 log tcp from any to me 25 setup If Bart would like to use tcpdump for the same purpose, consider running something like: tcpdump -nt 'port 25 and (tcp[tcpflags] tcp-syn != 0)' Maybe my ipfw is old; it kept telling me that log is an invalid action. However, I think I may be able to get the tcpdump idea to work. There's a kernel option you need to enable for IPFW to do logging. If you're kldload'ing the ipfw module, it probably wasn't compiled with IPFW_LOGGING or whatever the exact name is. I had set the verbosity (I think that was the parameter) from googling around earlier, but that doesn't seem to help. I'm probably missing an option somewhere else. But you're right...tcpdump will be my friend :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: List Etiquette Question - Thank yous
On Mar 24, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Oliver Iberien wrote: I have never been on a list from which I have received as much help as this one, which raises a question for me. I would like to thank the people who post questions to my answers, such as the fellow below, but don't want to spam people's inboxes and/or the with thank-you notes that may be archived for all time. Do people generally expect a note of thanks? System admins expecting thanks? ho-boy! That's a good one. :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: awk question
On Mar 6, 2006, at 4:45 PM, Noel Jones wrote: On 3/6/06, Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm totally drawing a blank on where to start out on this. If I have a list of URLs like http://www.happymountain.com/archive/digest.gif How could I use Awk or Sed to strip everything after the .com? Or is there a better way to do it? I'd like to just pipe the information from the logs to this mini-script and end up with a list of URLs consisting of just the domain (http://www.happymountain.com). | cut -d / -f 1-3 Oh boy was that one easy. It was a BAD mental hiccup. I'll add a sort and uniq and it should be all ready to go. Thanks! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
awk question
I'm totally drawing a blank on where to start out on this. If I have a list of URLs like http://www.happymountain.com/archive/digest.gif How could I use Awk or Sed to strip everything after the .com? Or is there a better way to do it? I'd like to just pipe the information from the logs to this mini-script and end up with a list of URLs consisting of just the domain (http://www.happymountain.com). Any suggestions? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How would you improve FreeBSD?
On Feb 17, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Kristian Vaaf wrote: At 13:11 17.02.2006, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kristian Vaaf Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How would you improve FreeBSD? Hello. Yes, how would you improve FreeBSD? I would start by making a rule that anyone asking how would you improve FreeBSD on the mailing list be sentenced to write: I will not post silly questions to the mailing list that are answered on the website several hundred times. See: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ I am trying to paint a gloomy picture of where FreeBSD is headed. Therefore I am asking all of you to share your thoughts and ideas of how you would like to see FreeBSD improve. Chances are that's where our operating system is headed. 1. Would you restructure FreeBSD somehow? http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ 2. What features would you add? http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ 3. What features would you remove? http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ 4. What features would you simplify? http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ 5. What features would you further develop? http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ If I've left out some questions that you feel would contribute to the future well being of FreeBSD, don't hesitate to comment! http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ !! Ted No need to be so FUCKING arrogant. First, please tone down the language. He didn't swear at you. Don't escalate it. Second, while Ted doesn't get the Medal of Subtlety award, he is a regular poster on the mailing list and does offer help to a number of people much of the time. Sure, he's crotchety and curmudgeonly at times, but after being on these lists long enough he probably gets tired of seeing the same recycled questions and the same types of issues crop up over and over that are clearly written out in other resources if someone managed to open a browser and google with a couple keywords before belching out a quick email to a few thousand human list members to once again answer a question that has been covered in FAQs and handbooks. I don't think it's been actively advertised that ideas are submitted through the website, though, Ted...you could have at least tried for a little more guidance and less ridicule on this one :-) If there's a particular aspect you'd want to ask about, you could probably take that approach, or ask about something in ideas. Until a listmom pokes in to tell you it should be in a discussion group, not questions group. Just my two cents. Not that it counts for anything. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using dd to Make a Clone of a Drive
On Feb 10, 2006, at 9:50 AM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2006-02-10 09:44, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as the new slice had enough space, geometry shouldn't matter to dump|restore ? Right :) It also allows restoring in a different partition layout. Any chance of there being a way like this to restore to windows systems from the FreeBSD box? Not really. I'm far from being a Windows expert though, so YMMV. As an image? Look up partimage and partimaged. We've had some luck restoring from both a Linux system running the Partimaged daemon and booting from a Linux disk and restoring images off a samba/Windows share using partimage. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using dd to Make a Clone of a Drive
On Feb 10, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Peter wrote: --- Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 10, 2006, at 9:50 AM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2006-02-10 09:44, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as the new slice had enough space, geometry shouldn't matter to dump|restore ? Right :) It also allows restoring in a different partition layout. Any chance of there being a way like this to restore to windows systems from the FreeBSD box? Not really. I'm far from being a Windows expert though, so YMMV. As an image? Look up partimage and partimaged. We've had some luck restoring from both a Linux system running the Partimaged daemon and booting from a Linux disk and restoring images off a samba/Windows share using partimage. I intend to use g4u. I have done some preliminary testing and I am quite confident that I can upload and download an image. I am now wondering about the situation where I need to recreate the partition that is to contain the image. It needs to be exactly the same size (sectors) as the image. That's what I'm worried about. Any suggestions? Never used g4u...I know that with partimage, if I imaged, say, a 4 gig drive, then pulled it down to a 6 gig drive and booted Windows, Windows (2000) would see 4 gig. I had to use a partition editor (there was a graphical one on one of the Linux rescue CDs) that I used to enlarge the partition, and Win2k didn't seem to care at all. Qtparted, maybe? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Protecting Windows
On Feb 8, 2006, at 11:02 PM, Brian Astill wrote: Greetings, all. Can anyone help with this issue? Person with deteriorating vision has discovered Dragon Naturally Speaking which not only allows the construction of text from speech but can also speak from received text. ie letter writing and email conversing etc become possible for the visually impaired. All of which is wonderful except - you guessed it - the [EMAIL PROTECTED] program runs on Windows 2000/XP only. Why would anyone in their right mind NOT port a program as sensible as this to a SECURE OS? Not being a wise-ass here, but... 1) discourage saying your passwords out loud? 2) Unix is traditionally a server operating system, not targeted to end users, so applications like Dragon Naturally Speaking isn't top priority? 3) Most applications in Linux/FBSD are created to scratch an itch; the reason people now face usability problems is because most apps are written by and for people who are technically minded and/or programmers. I would guess that there aren't too many visually impaired programmers active in the field, or that the current crop of speech translators have trouble with translating programming language to text. 4) You can't port a program you don't have the source to. Dragon sounds proprietary, and the algorithms they use for transforming sound to text are probably considered proprietary. To make a clone would mean working from scratch. We're lucky sound OUTPUT is getting to a level where it almost works among applications without a ton of fiddling...let alone getting input translated properly to text. Those are just my ideas of why someone in their right mind wouldn't bother with the port off the top of my head. If the visually impaired are a minority and there aren't many programmers in that minority, it may take a long time to scratch that itch unless you are willing to offer some kind of open-source bounty and pay for said program to be developed. Windows programs are more often than not proprietary and profit driven as an incentive to get a product like Dragon to market. Linux/FBSD is driven by whims and itches of programmers and techies... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD vs Linux
On Jan 18, 2006, at 10:55 AM, Matias wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the essential difference between FreeBSD and Linux (Fedora for instance)? Where can I find any list of differences? What/Where are the advantages of FreeBSD vs Linux? Greetings Greg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Give a look at gentoo it's inspired by FreeBSD, and is linux as well the portage system works great... and as a personal opinion: Use gentoo for Home / Desktop / Office use use FreeBSD For web/ftp/file/ etc.. Servers. What the heck? No one has mentioned how Plan 9 TROUNCES FreeBSD AND Linux! In EVERYTHING! I've installed it on my notebook, my home server, three workstations, my Palm Pilot, telephone, coffeemaker, and my GE Refrigerator's ice maker. We had a power hiccup three days ago and my house became sentient! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FREE OS
On Dec 1, 2005, at 4:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi FreeBSD, Hi My Names Mr Marc Harry Charles Corn, I am The CEO of _www.skyline2.co.uk_ (http://www.skyline2.co.uk) i am e-mailing you on consern to your free OS um i want to develop an OS aswell are you able to give me instructions on how to start an OS or even join Forces to make an OS meny thanks from the Skyline2 Team You might want to start by working on the image your web site projects of your group. The spelling errors make it look atrocious, and consequently, not many people would probably take you seriously after seeing it. Are you an actual company, or some kids doing this as a hobby, or...? If you're not an actual incorporated company, I don't know if you'd want to use the term CEO. If you're interested in creating a free operating system, a common response you'll probably get is to just download the source code and look at it yourselves; I'd not necessarily recommend this though, since if you're just starting such a project the source to FreeBSD or the Linux kernel may be a bit daunting. For learning how the best way to start may be to look through the Minix source code. There are some books available through Barnes and Noble and Amazon that may help; there are books on the Linux and FreeBSD kernels, and there are Tanenbaum's books on programming operating systems. There's also an old book floating around with a title similar to Create Your Own 32 Bit Operating System that I'm sure someone else could help clarify on the list. Actually, the BEST way to start is to sit down and actually write out your goals and aims for the particular OS (real time? Just something that boots? Will it be multiuser? Networking? etc.) before even starting the programming tasks. Then you can google for hobby operating systems to see what other people are doing, or maybe join other projects developer teams to see how they run things. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows Compatibility?
On Nov 17, 2005, at 7:51 PM, Peter Clutton wrote: On 11/18/05, Augusto Montenegro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking into changing my Windows Operating system toFreeBSD or Linux. Most of my programs run in Windows. Can I use FreeBSD as my OS to run my programs? You can, with tools such as Wine, but all is not guaranteed to run smoothly. I have pretty much found a much much better replacement for everything I used to use on windows, and would never go back. If you search around, and have a willingness to learn, you will probably find the same. What I've found it comes down to... 1) If you're looking for another platform and need an office suite, a web browser, an email client, etc...Linux or OS X are wonderful if you're willing to look around and learn your stuff. Some distro's of Linux even strip away most of the necessity of thinking, with defaults and presets that would suit most users. 2) If you're just looking for another platform and need Microsoft Office, Internet Explorer, Outlook Express to run...stick with Windows. Grafting those applications onto another platform is an exercise in frustration and, in my opinion, foolishness. You spent all that time installing Linux so you could run...Internet Explorer? I fall into the former. When necessity dictates that specific applications must be run that only use the Win32 API, I usually use VirtualPC or Qemu (right now I'm using OS X with a lot of toys from Fink) to run them until I can go back to my usual platform. If Wine can run the application, more power to the project, but for everyday usage I need a web browser and office suite, not necessarily a specific application. If you primarily use a specific application that is made only for a specific platform, run that platform unless it *IS* very stable under Wine or can be used under an emulator (but why would you want to spend most of your working time in an emulator?). If you're curious about another platform, try Knoppix (or Ubuntu Live, or any of the other live ISO's out there) or set up a dual-boot configuration on your system to give it a trial run. But your first questions probably shouldn't be something like Can I get Photoshop/IE/OE/another Windows-specific application to run on Linux? if you're just curious about what's available out there. You should probably be asking, I use XYZ a lot...is there a similar application for Linux I could try? Windows compatibility just means Wine will run Windows email viruses and crash as regularly as Windows does. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
log file conversion (OT?)
I have Squid running on a FreeBSD system and the log file (access.log) has lines like 1131556815.537101 172.16.2.153 TCP_HIT/200 35674 GET http://www.urprize2.com/adv77/images/header_08_23_05.gif - NONE/- image/gif 1131556815.584 47 172.16.2.153 TCP_HIT/200 1828 GET http://www.urprize2.com/adv77/images/timer.swf - NONE/- application/x-shockwave-flash in it. Is there a simple way or a one- or two-liner script that can take the epoch time in the first column and replace it with the actual time/date stamp in human-readable format? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: log file conversion (OT?)
On Nov 9, 2005, at 1:03 PM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2005-11-09 12:36, Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have Squid running on a FreeBSD system and the log file (access.log) has lines like 1131556815.537101 172.16.2.153 TCP_HIT/200 35674 GET http://www.urprize2.com/adv77/images/header_08_23_05.gif - NONE/- image/gif 1131556815.584 47 172.16.2.153 TCP_HIT/200 1828 GET http://www.urprize2.com/adv77/images/timer.swf - NONE/- application/x-shockwave-flash in it. Is there a simple way or a one- or two-liner script that can take the epoch time in the first column and replace it with the actual time/date stamp in human-readable format? Yes. Perl should work fine here. $ echo '1131556815.537101 172.16.2.153 TCP_HIT/200 35674 GET' | \ perl -MPOSIX=strftime \ -pe 'chomp; @x=split /\./; \ $ts = strftime %Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S, (localtime($x[0])); \ $_=$ts...join(.,@x[1,$#x]).\n;' 2005-11-09 09:20:15.537101 172.153 TCP_HIT/200 35674 GET Is there a way to get it to take in each line of the logfile and output it to a new file? It wouldn't be as easy as a cat access.log | (perl code here) newfile.log would it? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: log file conversion (OT?)
On Nov 9, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2005-11-09 13:44, Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 9, 2005, at 1:03 PM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: Yes. Perl should work fine here. $ echo '1131556815.537101 172.16.2.153 TCP_HIT/200 35674 GET' | \ perl -MPOSIX=strftime \ -pe 'chomp; @x=split /\./; \ $ts = strftime %Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S, (localtime($x[0])); \ $_=$ts...join(.,@x[1,$#x]).\n;' 2005-11-09 09:20:15.537101 172.153 TCP_HIT/200 35674 GET Is there a way to get it to take in each line of the logfile and output it to a new file? It wouldn't be as easy as a cat access.log | (perl code here) newfile.log would it? Of course it would :) This is why I used the -pe option when I wrote the script above, to make sure that Perl acts as a 'filter'. - Giorgos Thank you, I'll give it a try as soon as I can :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Nov 1, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: Ted, you are an *sshole Please try not to top post...you're being rather vague on what part exactly makes him an *sshole, in your opinion... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Nov 1, 2005, at 5:22 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:15 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Of course not. You got what you deserved though so shut the hell up. Ted, you need to shut the hell up. FreeBSD is not your project and your whining and complaining whenever the logo thing comes up is really tiresome. Y'know, you have a semi-valid point, but at the same time he's a user and contributor to the list. As a user, he has as much right to blow chunks at the logo contest as other people who are only users have to blow sunshine up other user's butts over the logo. Whether you like it or not, you should respect that. The people who run the project decided to create a new logo. It sucks but hey, it is better than beastie as a logo. Beastie is a fine mascot but he is not a logo. This is your opinion, and it apparently isn't shared by everyone else who uses the project. Users have a right to the opinions and to voice them, and as much as developers like to pretend users are totally irrelevant, projects would become shelved dust collections without them. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Nov 1, 2005, at 6:47 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 5:16 PM, Danny Pansters wrote: On Tuesday 1 November 2005 22:22, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:15 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Of course not. You got what you deserved though so shut the hell up. Ted, you need to shut the hell up. FreeBSD is not your project and It's not yours either. And I am not trying to argue and make claims about how inexcusable it is either. I merely pointed out to Ted that he is not in the FreeBSD project and therefore does not have say. Then why was the logo contest opened to all users of FreeBSD (or non-users)? That's no reason to discard one's opinion, especially if that person arguably has the same stake/interest/influence as you do. I am not trying to defend the new logo or beastie or anything as it is not my project and we have been through this 100 times already. It is not our decision. Then who was solicited to send in entries? Why can't the users of a product express their opinions? Why didn't the core project go hire a professional designer to do this with their marketing budget if that's what the aim of this logo project was? I personally find the new logo stupid, I think beastie is a great mascot, and we need a new logo for FreeBSD. You must be on the project, since in the above you were saying that Ted has no say in the project and it isn't his yet then you say we need a new logo...? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Nov 1, 2005, at 7:00 PM, ke.han wrote: In any efforts to expand the market share of freeBSD, I suggest the following: a - It is important to show professionalism, courtesy and restraint as a community. I chose to move from Linux to freeBSD in large part because of the quality of the community and documentation. Public fits on the maillists do more damage to any attempt at large corporate acceptance than a new logo might help. Yes, because PHBs and non-techs spend much of their time researching and culling through online forums and archives when making decisions about what servers to use in their IT department. It's hard enough just getting techies to RTFM and Google for previous solutions... Plus, it's VERY professional to non-techs to have them look answers up online instead of through a dedicated support contract with a large company, and with polished manuals and updates handed to the client in shiny wrappers. Oh, and most companies I know of shine up their image by asking their employee grunts to come up with a new logo to present to the public. I mean, what can a professionally paid service do that a bunch of bike-shedders can't? Please. FreeBSD, Linux, most of open source...they're controlled chaos. The fact this stuff has worked is utterly amazing to the suits...the right personality types reign in control and keep the cats...er, programmers...for the most part in line, with little or no promise of payment. By conventional wisdom the open source model has worked, and it shouldn't have. Now people are talking about polishing up the image to get it into the corporate world to sell it as if it were a finished product...it's like someone found the project and wants to shoehorn it into the conventional sales and development model. Tech people have been sneaking BSD, Linux, and assorted projects into the corporate realm all on their own, and it's been growing in areas where you'd expect low cost back-ends would be a boon for the technology-savvy (private web sites, home servers, geek projects...). People made a profit with these projects by creating their own companies with their own logos to customize projects or tweak them and offer their own support for their distros. Never has there been a Linux company...but there has been a Red Hat, or a SuSE, to fill the niche. The projects stood alone. All the bickering and attempts to polish BSD for some imaginary marketing department is like watching kids on a playground make a better sand castle. The guys doing real marketing and polishing? Apple, with Darwin. And that's only partially based on BSD. People telling others to just fork and do their own project for control...how about starting an actual company, like Red Hat did, to market and build off of and give back to the project? Why must FreeBSD become political and have an attempt to become the company? Let it go on it's own and let others pick up the mantle to create a company to offer service and support. Let the geeks work with FreeBSD and let the users and marketers use a company-packaged version if that's their liking. b - I think that sharing a common daemon logo/mascot with the other BSDs is a good thing. Linux has done well with the various penguin effects. Don't worry too much about this. Just accept what users already have adopted. Sharing the logo/mascot was a traditional thing. It's a reference to a shared history...it's there for a reason. And please stop with the top posting. Not that anyone will listen, of course... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Nov 1, 2005, at 8:27 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote: -- snip -- That's correct, but we should recall that this is a mailing list to ask technical questions, not discuss logos or flame people. Discuss logos on the advocacy@ list; don't flame people on any list. I don't post here often, lest I ask a question, but I appreciate these sorts of comments by people we 'observe' make reliable, wholesome and always to-the-point-from-experience posts day in and day out. Keep the FBSD lists clean of flames. I haven't followed this entire thread, but opinions about the new logo should go to advocacy. Many people aren't going to subscribe to advocacy just to let a quick opinion be noted. Maybe they're primarily tech people who do have tech questions, and feel that this forum is frequented by people in the know instead of the usual advocacy butterblitters that degrade to ad-hominem attacks and whatnot. Whatever the reason these opinion threads can, do, and will flare up. If you don't like them, delete the threads as the appear, because they will go away fairly quickly once people vent. They continue if you or other people reply to the threads to perpetuate them. Personally in the process I often learn something more, whether about the project or the project community or human nature in general. The occasional bitching session or idiot flare-up is something that just has to be dealt with, whether through the occasional interaction or by ignoring it so it goes away faster. However...there should be somewhere else where people can state their political views to too. -questions is not that list. Let's make sublists for everything! Where's logo-is-okay-but-only-if-not-idealogically-motivated-freebsd-list? You know, sometimes lists create communities in themselves. Sometimes people will vent or ask questions or opinions merely because they respect the people (or are looking for responses from the people) who frequent a particular list, so a little leeway should be given. Like I said...don't reply, and the thread dies off fairly quick. I find top posting to rattle my cage a lot faster than some random topic on the list that may or may not be exactly the most appropriate. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Logo
On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:21 PM, Peter Matulis wrote: --- stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YUK! Yeah, it has a something's missing feel to it. I suppose it was time to distance ourselves from the demon thing though. It not having a face is a step in that direction. The horns remain to appease hardcore people I guess. I could almost buy the arguments for the need of a logo distinct from a mascot, but... A) Does FreeBSD actually have a marketing department? I was under the impression it didn't. So how can you have a good argument for needing a separate logo? Admins trying to argue for using FreeBSD in a corporate environment simply don't include the Beastie images if their PHBs are that offended by it... B) I keep getting the feeling that this (logo is not a mascot! We need to sell to corporates with a serious image!), is more of a way to justify an underlying motive, and that is people are offended by the devil imagery and can't separate it from the tongue-in-cheek daemon reference. If that is the actual reason...it's offensive to people who probably don't even know what a daemon actually is or what the reference came from...I would prefer not to have any logo creation. It has a very oily feel to the whole thing to have people maneuvering to change something they find religiously offensive under the guise of something happy and positive for the group. THIS IS WONDERFUL FOR THE PROJECT! IT HELPS OUR IMAGE AND WE'LL BE MORE POPULAR AND CORPORATIONS WILL LOVE IT AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS DEVIL THING even though that's a totally coincidental bonus that never once occurred to me while lobbying to change...er, create...a logo... That said, I personally thought it looked like a nice logo if I was looking at the right one. It would make a nice glass paperweight to sell. But...I still don't like what I feel was the real reason for the change. But that's just me, I guess. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How well do USB - parallel adapters work for printers?
On Oct 18, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Bill Moran wrote: This will be FreeBSD 5.4 machine. I need to hook a printer to a server (actually, it's a plotter, an HP inkjet plotter). The server doesn't have a parallel port, and the printer doesn't have a USB port. The guy who provides our hardware recommended a USB - parallel adapter, but I've got no experience with these. I've been warned about USB - serial adapaters and how the translation isn't always 100%, so I'm trying to gather some information before I go forward with this plan. Anyone use one of these? How well do they work in general? How well do they work under FreeBSD? I don't know about the answer to your question, but one alternative that may work better for you is to purchase an HP print server (JetDirect) that can take the parallel interface from the printer and then serve it as an IP printer. You may even be able to help mask that by putting it on the network as an IP printer, then use the FreeBSD printer to share it out as a Samba printer to Windows systems (if this is the type of setup you're aiming at) so users can connect still to your FBSD printer server system without knowing that the printer is accessible also as an IP printer. May also save some hair pulling in getting the USB-Parallel interface working under FreeBSD. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
On Sep 27, 2005, at 12:40 PM, Kirk Strauser wrote: On Tuesday 27 September 2005 10:27, Josh Ockert wrote: There isn't a fuss. Someone asked for help. The only fuss is coming from Ted, who insists that any slight against Beastie is a Fundamentalist Christian Crusade. I get your point - truly, I do. I also get that Ted was being, well, Ted. However, there *have* been people claiming that their Christian sensibilities were offended by Beastie. On-topic or not, Ted's patch was still a darn funny response to those people. Um...when this is supposedly an issue, how often is the reason cited professional, and how often is it because it's offensive? How many people really do it because of the latter, but fall back on citing the first? I don't recall too many times where Tux causes unprofessional cries. I can clearly see why Ted would assume that people's motives are based on religious bias. It's stupid to take it up as a major issue. But it's more stupid to get offended by it in the first place. I just heard a story in...where...Britain?...where Burger King is pulling their ice cream cone covers because one person said the symbol on it bore a resemblance to the Muslim word for Allah (correct me if someone has the story in print to cite, please). He wants all Muslims to refuse going to Burger King because of it, despite BK pulling them off the shelf to redo them (it's just a swirling ice-cream symbol). Look up how to disable the boot image, or code a way to easily plug in your own custom images and have it slipped into the code base. Personally I'd rather set the boot image to whatever I'd want, or make it something functional (like BeOS had). Or...why are your BSD systems rebooting so often that this is an issue? -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: port scanning and hidden servers
On Sep 7, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Denny Jodeit wrote: Hello: I have a user on my network with a Linux box that is performing a port scan on all the computers in my network manually. He's doing this 'because he can'. Although I've asked him not to, he continues to do so. 1) How can I block or inhibit port scans launched against my freeBSD servers from within my network? 2) How can I 'hide' my freeBSD servers from users on the network? (If they can't see them, then they don't know to scan them.) Thanks in advance. Harold Try portsentry in conjunction with logcheck, both are in the ports. Hmm... You could use the software firewall for all requests from his IP. Or disconnect his network cable. Or set up all the other machines on the network to periodically ping flood his computer to slow it down to a crawl. Set up the dsniff tools and redirect his traffic through another machine to monitor what is going on with that machine periodically, or set up a proxy web filter on a machine and redirect traffic from his computer to go through it and filter anything and everything not related to work. Set up another machine so it once in awhile takes his IP for a few minutes to knock him off the network. just some ideas for practical or entertainment value. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: video surveillance with freebsd
On Jun 4, 2005, at 9:07 AM, vittorio wrote: Alle 01:06, domenica 04 settembre 2005, nbco ha scritto: On Friday 03 June 2005 23:56, vittorio wrote: The aim: with up to 4 small cameras connected to a pci board in a freebsd 5.4 box, scattered suitably around to guard, surveille a seaside resort flat *** remotely ***. The open-source software I'm looking for should: 1) manage the pci board the cameras; 2) start,trigger a script for, e.g., a gsm connection to transmit images to a remote server via ppp OR start an alarm *** whener a motion is detected ***. Is there any software in the ports satisfying these requirements? Ciao Vittorio Hhmmm I used to have a landlord like that... .nbco Amusing but that isn't actually my purpose! Actually I was speaking of using some anti-burglar device for our little family house house at the seaside resort placing in the garden cameras sensitive to people moving in it when my family and I are absent, that is 10.5 months per year. Asking around for (anti-burglar) alarm systems they asked me a mere fortune. Having a spare old pentium and a much older would like to use it for the same purpose but a very cheap price. That's all! Any idea? Vittorio What about rigging up wireless web-cams that send info to a web page on the FBSD box inside the house? I know most of them already have a built-in notify feature that will email you a warning and usually take a few minutes of video footage if motion is detected. Unfortunately they cost something like $200, but it saves on having to rig up some other way of doing auto-notify and email as well as getting a reliable wiring setup. You could set up the FBSD box to act as a data repository so it collects information from the cameras and then you go to the FBSD box for information (or have it collect and send info to you) in case your Internet connection to the house goes down. Having the cameras independent also means less chance of failure...i.e., if the FBSD box goes down you may still be able to set it up so the cameras can still work in your absence until the machine can be rebuilt/repaired. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: running more than one server with one IP address
On Aug 28, 2005, at 2:28 PM, David Banning wrote: Is it possible to run more than one server(machine) with one IP address? I have so many different server-applications running on my machine I would like to divide them up. Maybe using one machine email only, or use one for certain websites, and another for other websites. This would also allow me to take-down one machines for maintenance when necessary, or use one machine for more troubleshooting. Wondering if someone could even direct me to the terminology that I am looking for so I can google it. The only way I know of doing this is if you have one externally visible IP and you're trying to break up services among systems on the internal network. On your router, you'd use port forwarding to redirect individual ports to each machine inside your network; i.e., tell the router to forward port 25 to your SMTP server, port 80 to your internal web server, and port 22 to your internal SSH server whenever requests to those port hit IP WWW.XXX.YYY.ZZZ. I would suppose you'd google for information about NAT and port forwarding on routers. If you try this with an internal system, you're probably going to run into issues with ARP routing and collisions. You'd have to place your machines in their own VLAN and have one internal IP assigned to the interface and still use some kind of redirection to the VLAN servers...that's quite a bit of work for most setups, though. You might be better off messing with your internal DNS so people can just go to www.mynetwork.com or smtp.mynetwork.com and have your DNS server hand out the proper IP of your server(s). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: force use proxy server
On Jul 20, 2005, at 2:52 AM, vladone wrote: Hi! How i can redirect web traffic from my lan, throught my proxy server? We set up Squid/SquidGuard, set the machine to forward traffic and created a firewall rule to forward port 80 traffic to the port Squid was listening to, then told the DHCP server to hand out the IP of the Squid server as the gateway address for client machines to use. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spam:****, RE: Demon license?
On Jul 20, 2005, at 6:15 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bart Silverstrim Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:45 AM To: Josh Ockert Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Ted Mittelstaedt Subject: Re: Demon license? FreeBSD doesn't need strings attached via corporate entanglements, in my opinion. FreeBSD already has entangling corporate strings - Apple is one of the entanglers for example. But, interestingly enough, none of those people are complaining about this issue. As I understand it Apple is using some of the code from FreeBSD, but FreeBSD isn't necessarily *getting* anything as an obligation from them. Ideally, if businesses give to them, that's a bonus. Businesses have always been able to take from FreeBSD as per it's license without giving anything. But when you start doing tit-for-tat scratch-my-back-and-I'll-scratch-yours relationships with businesses, there's going to be problems. when it comes to free-source operating systems, it is a geek's party and the market promoters are the crashers. Hear hear! Why is the concept so hard for people to understand that open source projects aren't necessarily out to displace Windows or take over the world...that they were spawned by a desire to scratch an itch or make something that's good and fills a need. There are those who create things with some motivation to purely outdo Windows, no doubt...but for the most part it's just made to be made, without obligations? If the product works for you, you're allowed to use it. Use FreeBSD. Use GPL tools, use the Linux kernel to build a better distro, whatever. But why must people be driven to take these projects to start dancing with corporate sponsors and cash?? If you want to do that, do it the way Linux has...start a corporation using that product as the basis, and approach the businesses you're interested in courting, and leave the core project alone. Businesses aren't interested in the core Linux kernel necessarily...they work with a corporation that uses it. The corporation gives a point of contact, a point of support, a face to work with. If it goes out of business it's a case of touch noogies...the actual project itself isn't bothered one way or the other and is still available on the Internet for free with people spending their free time working on it as a hobby. *sigh* Not that it really matters in the end...que sera, sera, right? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spam:****, RE: Demon license?
On Jul 20, 2005, at 11:39 AM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Jul 20, 2005, at 7:05 AM, Bart Silverstrim wrote: As I understand it Apple is using some of the code from FreeBSD, but FreeBSD isn't necessarily *getting* anything as an obligation from them. Ideally, if businesses give to them, that's a bonus. Businesses have always been able to take from FreeBSD as per it's license without giving anything. But when you start doing tit-for-tat scratch-my-back-and-I'll-scratch-yours relationships with businesses, there's going to be problems. Just as an aside: Apple does push code back as far as I know. There was talk last year for example about MSDOS FS support being put back in from Apple Darwin. Yes, I believe they do. What I'm saying (and what I think a great number of people don't think about) is that they're doing this but aren't *obligated* to do so. For FreeBSD, as I understand it, you can take FreeBSD, slap new images to it and alter some of the code and sell it as your own (except for copyright notices? That may have changed). There you go...you have a new product, the *BSD people don't care. You don't have to do anything for the FreeBSD team in return. If you do, they'd probably appreciate it. If you don't, well, life goes on. I'm against the slide into an obligatory relationship...FreeBSD starts marketing and courting a couple corporate friends and then there may be some obligation back and forth...forcing certain device support, or maybe some encouragement to ignore other vendors, introduce more politics. As the whole logoscot affair shows I think there's enough politics in the group and userbase as it stands. :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Demon license?
On Jul 19, 2005, at 11:36 AM, Josh Ockert wrote: Go ahead. Blocking it just shows that you are totally unwilling to consider any position different than your own. I am at least willing to continue to discuss it. No. I have no objection to your position. I have an objection to your complete lack of disrespect. I know I'D be angry at people who show an utter lack of disrepect, you punk! (ha ha..touche'!) You are a troll. You go on and on, misquoting, deliberately trying to confuse the issue, and just generally adding nothing to the discussion. That's kind of odd since I remember Ted giving help on the list a number of times. Personally the term Troll is becoming rather watered down, which is a shame...it used to actually mean someone who was out to do nothing but cause trouble. This is no longer how the word is used now apparently. It is a generic term used towards anyone with whom one has a disagreement with online. One thing I do not understand is why people say things like you're deliberately misinterpreting..you're confusing the issue..etcand not stop, take a breath, and actually spell out the issue(s) *as you understand them* and ask for clarifications. Get some common ground on which to communicate. If one is talking about apples and the other bitching about oranges, at least get that straightened out. Otherwise, you're just wasting your time. Spell out the issue. Clarify for understanding. Argue and *stay on topic* until resolved point by point. Otherwise...quit wasting your time. Much like the current US President George Bush blocks his ears when people point out to him that he committed to fire whoever leaked a covert CIA operative's identity - then when it was discovered that his right-hand-man did it, he goes back on his word. Except that in that case people were pointing out facts. As you said in your email, there has been no official vote. So you have no facts. Technically, votes != facts. You are in effect contradicting yourself when you say that those in favor of the new logo ARE in the extreme minority, but then say there was never any tally of opinions. Overall, the argument is foolish. I really see why some people keep their OS projects to themselves for control, if for nothing else than to keep large groups of people from bitching about something that may or may not be within the scope of the project's goals to begin with. Beastie has been associated with FreeBSD for how long now? Since 1.0? Ronald McDonald...logo, or mascot? Does it really matter? They're considered one in the same by the public. There are a number of more-religious-than-not people who had advocated getting rid of the logoscot of Beastie because he invokes the image of the DEVIL. There are many ignoramuses out there who think themselves experts in using computers because they get an MSCE cert. There was someone in my own computer science classes who managed to pass with her four year degree without even knowing what in hell an operating system was in relation to an application. These people are out there making up the field of IT Professionals. Who exactly is qualified to decide whether or not Beastie should be the logoscot of the Project? The users who couldn't tell a source code file from a binary? The users who can configure a DHCP server without glancing at the console? I would think the Project people would...since they're the ones doing the project. What they say, goes. If you don't like it, fork the project with your own logo/logoscot/motto/t-shirt. What you say at the point, goes. If you block the address of anyone who continues on in this manner you simply prove my point for me - that the proponents of this anti-Beastie crusade only care what they want, not what anyone else wants. I never said I was anti-Beastie. I'm not. I have many pieces of pro-Beastie propaganda (look the word up before you start flaming). I do however think it would be beneficial to have an image that is more abstract and more suitable to corporate customers. Corporate backing helps penetration into the market and it sometimes can result in funding. Refer please to Linux and IBM. Yeah, because a fat penguin is a wonderful image to portray. On the other hand, IBM tended to partner with actual corporations with an actual logo...for themselves. Linux gets benefits from the ensuing halo effect, but there are particular businesses that get the direct benefits. I don't see Linspire doing cartwheels because of IBM. The thing is, FreeBSD as a project may think it's NICE to get hardware/cash/goodies from businesses, but doesn't set out courting to get them (note...not on FBSD Project team, these are my observations and opinions). You wouldn't necessarily WANT it. When you start hopping into bed with particular businesses, you start making concessions to them. Then things just start getting messy. If you're an impartial
Re: Demon license?
On Jul 19, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Josh Ockert wrote: On 7/19/05, Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 19, 2005, at 11:36 AM, Josh Ockert wrote: Go ahead. Blocking it just shows that you are totally unwilling to consider any position different than your own. I am at least willing to continue to discuss it. No. I have no objection to your position. I have an objection to your complete lack of disrespect. I know I'D be angry at people who show an utter lack of disrepect, you punk! (ha ha..touche'!) Oops. I was just joshin' you there. It was an honest typo that induces some giggles. :-) You are a troll. You go on and on, misquoting, deliberately trying to confuse the issue, and just generally adding nothing to the discussion. That's kind of odd since I remember Ted giving help on the list a number of times. Personally the term Troll is becoming rather watered down, which is a shame...it used to actually mean someone who was out to do nothing but cause trouble. This is no longer how the word is used now apparently. It is a generic term used towards anyone with whom one has a disagreement with online. No. I disagree with your apparent position. But I think you were respectful. I wouldn't call you a troll. ...that's kind of ambiguous. My apparent position is that Ted's not a troll, or that the term troll has become watered down? If the latter, I'm basing it on general observations across a number of lists and Usenet forums... If the former...well...unless we define what specifically a troll is, it couldn't really be solved. From my understanding of the definition in my time on this here In-tar-net, methinks Ted does not fit the bill. Not that I really know the guy...just based on posts I've read of his in the past. Much like the current US President George Bush blocks his ears when people point out to him that he committed to fire whoever leaked a covert CIA operative's identity - then when it was discovered that his right-hand-man did it, he goes back on his word. Except that in that case people were pointing out facts. As you said in your email, there has been no official vote. So you have no facts. Technically, votes != facts. When talking about the opinions of the majority of users, votes are facts. You can make a statement that can be a fact regarding the position of the voters (ie, the majority according to this poll believe Elvis was an alien, and if the majority did indeed believe this according to the poll then it is a fact about the outcome of the poll) yet it does not make the actual position a fact (if the majority of people believe the sky is made of vanilla pudding, it does not make the sky actually made of vanilla pudding; the majority of people believe in some form of higher power deity, but the fact that everyone and their neighbor believe this doesn't make it true...hence the term faith). Seeing as how Ted has never helped me, my impressions of him come entirely from within the context of this thread. Well, you might want to do a quick google on him to see what other posts have turned up from him in the past. I won't attest to his character, but I do know that his name is constantly flowing into my freebsd-questions folder. Maybe it'll give you a little more understanding of his position. Or you'll want to spit on him when you're done. I don't honestly know. If you'll refer to his original posting it was very inflammatory. Unless I'm mistaken, intentionally trying to get a rise out of people is trolling. I kinda thought this came out of a fishing metaphor. Kinda. It depends on motive. I can send a message to the list that is very inflammatory making all sorts of statements about FreeBSD users' mothers. If that's *all* I do, and people on the list equate my name with a mental Oh $DEITY not again...* or plonk list, then I'm a troll. If I'm purely doing this just to piss people off, it's a troll. If I had a bad day but at least 75% of the time my posts are on topic and/or helpful and/or generally at least non-harmful, I'd say it's not trolling. You said it yourself that you don't really know anything about Ted's previous posts. Cut some slack...this topic has been hashed so many times over that if it were food it would now be suitable for serving at a home for the elderly. Beastie and the logowars are a touchy topic. Ted is the one who made the assertion, that those who don't have a problem with the new logo are in the minority. That is his assertion. And the burden of proof *is* on him to prove it. True enough...but to tell the truth, I think most people either don't give a damn or would much rather NOT change the logo, either because A) Beastie has sentimental value, or B) the *reason* behind changing/hiding/downplaying him is asinine (religious hatred, big businesses won't suck up to BSD, clueless PHBs and users don't get it). My guess is that it may seem that way because
portmanager upgrade question
Is there a way to force a rebuild with new dependencies when you get errors like: ** OLD ethereal-0.10.11_1 built with old dependency net-snmp-5.2.1_2, current dependency is net-snmp-5.2.1.2 OLD gtk-2.6.8 built with old dependency libxml2-2.6.19, current dependency is libxml2-2.6.20 OLD shared-mime-info-0.16_1 built with old dependency libxml2-2.6.19, current dependency is libxml2-2.6.20 status report finished percentDone-=0 = 100 - ( 100 * ( QTY_outOfDatePortsDb-=4 / TOTAL_outOfDatePortsDb-=4 ) ) upgrade 0.2.9_4 info: ignoring ettercap-0.6.b_2,1, reason: failed during (2) make checkForOldDepencies 0.2.9_4 skip: ethereal-0.10.11_1 has a dependency shared-mime-info-0.16_1 that needs to be updated first checkForOldDepencies 0.2.9_4 skip: gtk-2.6.8 has a dependency shared-mime-info-0.16_1 that needs to be updated first upgrade 0.2.9_4 info: ignoring shared-mime-info-0.16_1, reason: failed during (2) make update of ports collection complete with either some errors, ignored ports or both *** at the end of an upgrade cycle, like a recursive rebuild? Or do other tools have to be used outside of portmanager? Thanks, -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Copying data onto a NTFS partitioned hdd
On Jul 7, 2005, at 7:07 AM, Igor Robul wrote: datora tehnika wrote: ''too small.'' Then I went with ''default,'' but then the volume size was ''too large.'' (for a 40 GB drive, the identical twin of which This is known problem for Windows 2000 DiskManager. You can create FAT32 with Win98, Partition Magic, Linux, FreeBSD. Windows 2000 will be able to access disk. I know it isn't what one would probably want to hear as a solution, but there are two other possibilities... Purchase a cheap Windows system to act as a file server on your home network, and you can share data using CIFS, or... Create a partition for Windows to share data with FreeBSD, and use an IFS driver to access it in a neutral filesystem, like EXT3 (something like http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm ). Depending on what you're using Windows for, you could also look into running something like VMWare on FreeBSD. Personally, just for less hassle down the road, I'd personally opt for the second machine and use file shares to share data. But that's just me... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: port rebuild question
On Jun 30, 2005, at 9:46 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: * Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20050630 15:58]: wrote: Silly question... If I want to rebuild amavisd-new and ALL p5 ports that amavis uses (so I can make sure they are seeing the upgraded PERL version properly), would I just use portupgrade -rR amavisd-new? I'd do portupgrade -f amavisd-new Isn't this just a force upgrade? Amavisd-new thinks it's the latest version, at amavisd-new-2.3.1,1. Or would this do the rebuild? Wait...duh...manpage says it will *also* do a rebuild. Second question; should this be done just to amavisd-new or also to PERL? And is there a way to get all the subsequent modules to rebuild that depend on PERL afterwards again, all the p5*? I'm CCing this also to the list to try to get some further responses; I'm beginning to wonder if I've somehow become persona non-grata on it. You're the only one who's tried suggesting something to help me out so far! :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Test messages to -questions
On Jul 1, 2005, at 11:29 AM, fbsd_user wrote: So just because this guy was considerate and said 'test' in his subject he gets criticized. But all the posts to this list for selling drugs we all just ignore with no comments. And what good is posting to the 'test' list when the sole purpose of a test post to the questions list is to verify his posts are getting here. The test list is totally useless. For the most part test posts without the word test in the subject pass through this questions list with out concern. This whole thread is so useless that it's funny. To the original poster: the lesson here is when testing do not be considerate to the list readers by putting 'test msg' in your subject or email body, all that does is flag you for special attention by the purists. That's all I have to say about that. While proposing ways to stop people from sending test messages to lists, can someone find a way to filter out top posting as well? :-) Actually, fbsd_user is right; wouldn't sending tests only test if you can send test messages to the test group while not at all verifying that membership and configuration is correct for posting and getting messages to and from the FBSD-questions list? I think the more intelligent approach to test the connection would be to actually send some kind of question a new user would have about FreeBSD to the list as a sly way of testing the configuration, but that's just me. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Test messages to -questions
On Jul 1, 2005, at 6:02 PM, Nikolas Britton wrote:
On 7/1/05, Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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While proposing ways to stop people from sending test messages to
lists, can someone find a way to filter out top posting as well? :-)
I'm not trying to stop anybody. I'm purposing ping for SMTP, The
construct is like an echo request. So when you send a blank message
with a subject such as test or ping the mail server replies to the
email saying it got the email. The mail server that acknowledges this
email would be whatever was listed in the DNS MX record of the email
address that was entered in the to: field. So if I ping the email
address [EMAIL PROTECTED] then {mx1,mx2}.freebsd.org replies back
to say it got the message. I think this could be a useful diagnostic
tool.
First, I was just semi-jesting to the group in general, not singling
you out...
Second, I think it kind of goes against the spirit of simplicity to add
a form of ping to the SMTP protocol.
Third, while it may work in this particular case with this particular
setup, there are many variations of mailing lists and servers where
this might break...i.e., this setup, to me, sounds very
situation-specific. I.e., people who have servers that accept mail
before actually delivering it...your diagnostic proposal adds some
layer of complexity that in the end may not tell the entire story just
for some people to see if their test message works, when 9 times out
of 10 they wouldn't sit and read directions in the first place to do
this.
Actually, fbsd_user is right; wouldn't sending tests only test if you
can send test messages to the test group while not at all verifying
that membership and configuration is correct for posting and getting
messages to and from the FBSD-questions list?
No the mail all goes to the same server. When you subscribe to the
group the mail server send you a confirmation email that you must
reply to and then it sends a welcome email.
That alone should be enough to tell you that you're subscribed and
should be working.
What exactly is the poster trying to test? That messages appear in
their inbox on sending, that other people can read their message? In
those cases, your ping proposal wouldn't work. If they got to the
point where they confirm joining, that tells you it should all be
working. The test message is more like a tentative anybody out
there? message...which could be better served, in my opinion, by
actually sending a question or sitting back to see when a message comes
in from other people to your inbox.
I think the more intelligent approach to test the connection would
be
to actually send some kind of question a new user would have about
FreeBSD to the list as a sly way of testing the configuration, but
that's just me.
What about this?
Um...sure...what about what about it? (your reply here means...what
are you trying to say here?)
Happy holidays to anyone on the list who happens to have a holiday
coming up, by the way... :-)
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port rebuild question
Silly question... If I want to rebuild amavisd-new and ALL p5 ports that amavis uses (so I can make sure they are seeing the upgraded PERL version properly), would I just use portupgrade -rR amavisd-new? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
amavis problems
Ever since running the update to the newest version of perl I've run into difficulty with my amavis scanning. I think there are some p5* packages that aren't properly recompiled to run with the latest PERL...the logs are showing errors like Clam Antivirus-clamd: Error reading from /var/run/clamav/clamd: Resource temporarily unavailable at (eval 53) line 253, GEN17 line 1., retrying (2) and TROUBLE in check_mail: virus_scan FAILED: virus_scan: ALL VIRUS SCANNERS FAILED: Clam Antivirus-clamd av-scanner FAILED: Too many retries to talk to /var/run/clamav/clamd (Error reading from /var/run/clamav/clamd: Resource temporarily unavailable at (eval 53) line 253, GEN18 line 1.) at (eval 53) line 264, GEN18 line 1.; Clam Antivirus - clamscan av-scanner FAILED: Error reading: Resource temporarily unavailable at (eval 53) line 389, GEN19 line 10. despite the fact that when amavisd-new starts up, it states in the log: Using internal av scanner code for (primary) Clam Antivirus-clamd and the socket for clamd exists with 777 permissions, and the groups for vscan are vscan and clamav and for clamav the group memberships are clamav mail vscan. Is there an easy way to run through all p5* ports and rebuild them to see the latest PERL? The after-upgrade script didn't seem to do anything :-/ -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd as the basis for something better?
On Jun 27, 2005, at 2:40 AM, Kurt Buff wrote: Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nikolas Britton Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: freebsd as the basis for something better? a project where real unix would meet real life, or where open source would meet open minds -- would have to make unix more human- oriented rather than machine-oriented. and in addition to bringing order to the chaos that was laid as the foundation for all unix variants decades ago, it should also deal with new ways of interacting with unix visually. for instance, in ways more convenient than x, and its conventional graphical user interfaces (though these won't go away any time soon). UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. New gui tools are needed. lets bring the CLI tools to the GUI, like pipes, redirects, etc. some of apples ideas are nice aka NeXTSTEP. Why are we trying to emulate windows when mircosoft just steals it's idea's from apple? lets cut the middle man out. BeOS was cool too. A! Why are you guys still beating the GUI interface? That is so 70's computing technology. The real next generation OS will be voice command. Until then it's just more Window dressing. It's like the Emperor's new clothes - the little boy said Computer please get me a drink of water and the crowd was amazed when the $64,000 OS stacked to the ceiling with GUI just sat there lifeless and dumb. Ted Must seriously disagree. Voice command is of very limited use - it's not private, and difficult to use in crowded surroundings. Further, if you consider the space in the human brain for visual processing vs. aural processing, I think you'll find that visual processing wins. At least for feedback, the human visual system is much better. However, the best interface for human input to machines is, IMHO, still to be determined. I don't claim that the keyboard/mouse interface is best, but it is, again IMHO, superior to voice command. What would be better than keyboard/mouse? I really don't know. One SWAG would be reading brainwaves, or perhap eyeball gestures - but that's just sheer speculation. Bah... The ultimate interface is one where you sit at a table and the whole table surface is a tactile interface to a computer, three dimensionally. File system navigation? The table acts like a 3D version of FSV (ever run that program? It's kind of limited and dated...could use a small overhaul...still a nice one for quickly looking at what is hogging up space in my home directory though at a glance). The table will dance with cubes and pyramids as I just touch and drag a cube representing a file I'm copying to another location on the table. Then tap it a couple times to open it...and a monitor grows from the table to display the contents. A rubbery keyboard also grows from the tabletop as well. Ow...wrists kind of sore from typing too long...tap a customize panel and then draw your finger through the middle of the tactile keyboard, and it splits as if cut by an invisible blade on my finger. Then grasp each half of the keyboard, pull it apart about six inches, and raise the interior pointing side of the keyboard halves about an inch up, angling the keys...instant ergonomic keyboard. When I'm done, you just tell the computer to log you out...the table then settles back into a flat matte surface and activates a table saver of gradually pulsating multicolor ripples as if looking a velvet pond while playing some light acoustic music, waiting for the next user to log in. That would be an interesting interface... And would we really want eyeball gestures? I mean, it's hard enough to deny what we're looking at on the ads and displays to our significant others without the pointer giving us away. :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
portmanager, amavis update problem
There seems to be a dependency loop occuring on our server when trying to do an upgrade; is there a way to force the update and rebuild dependencies? Below is a snippet of output (please let me know if more of the update info is needed...) -Bart * -=MISSING=- p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.4[/mail/p5-Mail-SpamAssassin] may be a dependency of amavisd-new-2.3.1,1 verifying dependency status of p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.4 (may take awhile) by executing command: cd /usr/ports/security/amavisd-new; make all-depends-list * * * * p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.4 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list of things to be updated * * * * checking for p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.4 dependencies that also may not be installed listing p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.4's known dependencies by executing command: cd /usr/ports/mail/p5-Mail-SpamAssassin; make all-depends-list * * * * dependency -=/converters/p5-MIME-Base64 p5-MIME-Base64-3.05 is installed dependency -=/devel/p5-Storable p5-Storable-2.15 is installed dependency -=/devel/p5-Time-HiRes p5-Time-HiRes-1.68,1 is installed dependency -=/dns/p5-Net-DNS p5-Net-DNS-0.51 is installed dependency -=/mail/p5-Mail-Tools p5-Mail-Tools-1.66 is installed dependency -=/mail/razor-agents razor-agents-2.72 is installed dependency -=/net-mgmt/p5-Net-IP p5-Net-IP-1.23 is installed dependency -=/net/p5-IO-INET6 p5-IO-INET6-2.01 is installed dependency -=/net/p5-Net p5-Net-1.19,1 is installed dependency -=/net/p5-Socket6 p5-Socket6-0.18 is installed dependency -=/net/p5-URI p5-URI-1.35 is installed dependency -=/security/p5-Authen-SASL p5-Authen-SASL-2.09 is installed dependency -=/security/p5-Digest p5-Digest-HMAC-1.01 is installed dependency -=/security/p5-Digest-HMAC p5-Digest-HMAC-1.01 is installed dependency -=/security/p5-Digest-MD5 p5-Digest-MD5-2.33 is installed dependency -=/security/p5-Digest-SHA1 p5-Digest-SHA1-2.10 is installed dependency -=/sysutils/rc_subr rc_subr-1.31 is installed dependency -=/www/p5-HTML-Parser p5-HTML-Parser-3.45 is installed dependency -=/www/p5-HTML-Tagset p5-HTML-Tagset-3.04 is installed PMGRrStatus 0.2.9_4 info: looking for old installed ports have:png-1.2.8_2 status: CURRENT: /graphics/png have:libXft-2.1.6_1status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/libXft have:fontconfig-2.2.3,1status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/fontconfig have:p5-XML-Parser-2.34_1 status: CURRENT: /textproc/p5-XML-Parser have:XFree86-FontServer-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11-servers/XFree86-4-FontServer have:xterm-202 status: CURRENT: /x11/xterm have:lsof-4.75 status: CURRENT: /sysutils/lsof have:XFree86-clients-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11/XFree86-4-clients have:pico-4.62 status: CURRENT: /editors/pico have:XFree86-documents-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11/XFree86-4-documents have:XFree86-fontEncodings-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontEncodings have:XFree86-font100dpi-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/XFree86-4-font100dpi have:XFree86-font75dpi-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/XFree86-4-font75dpi have:XFree86-fontCyrillic-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontCyrillic have:pine-4.63 status: CURRENT: /mail/pine4 have:XFree86-libraries-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11/XFree86-4-libraries have:pkgconfig-0.17.2 status: CURRENT: /devel/pkgconfig have:XFree86-fontDefaultBitmaps-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontDefaultBitmaps have:p5-IO-stringy-2.110 status: CURRENT: /devel/p5-IO-stringy have:libxml2-2.6.19status: CURRENT: /textproc/libxml2 have:XFree86-manuals-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11/XFree86-4-manuals have:fvwm-1.24rstatus: CURRENT: /x11-wm/fvwm have:libtool-1.3.5_2 status: CURRENT: /devel/libtool13 have:p5-Test-Harness-2.42_1status: CURRENT: /devel/p5-Test-Harness have:gmake-3.80_2 status: CURRENT: /devel/gmake have:ezm3-1.2 status: CURRENT: /lang/ezm3 have:openssl-0.9.7gstatus: CURRENT: /security/openssl have:screen-4.0.2_1status: CURRENT: /misc/screen have:ruby-1.6.8.2004.07.28_1 status: CURRENT: /lang/ruby16 have:cgilib-0.5status: CURRENT: /devel/cgilib have:libart_lgpl2-2.3.17 status: CURRENT: /graphics/libart_lgpl2 have:p5-Digest-HMAC-1.01 status: CURRENT: /security/p5-Digest-HMAC have:aaccli-1.0status: CURRENT: /sysutils/aaccli have:p5-File-Temp-0.16_2 status: CURRENT: /devel/p5-File-Temp have:p5-Net-IP-1.23status: CURRENT: /net-mgmt/p5-Net-IP have:gettext-0.14.5
portmanager, amavis install problem
There seems to be a dependency loop occuring on our server when trying to do an upgrade; is there a way to force the update and rebuild dependencies? Below is a snippet of output (please let me know if more of the update info is needed...) -Bart * -=MISSING=- p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.4[/mail/p5-Mail-SpamAssassin] may be a dependency of amavisd-new-2.3.1,1 verifying dependency status of p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.4 (may take awhile) by executing command: cd /usr/ports/security/amavisd-new; make all-depends-list * * * * p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.4 is indeed a missing dependency, adding to list of things to be updated * * * * checking for p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.4 dependencies that also may not be installed listing p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.4's known dependencies by executing command: cd /usr/ports/mail/p5-Mail-SpamAssassin; make all-depends-list * * * * dependency -=/converters/p5-MIME-Base64 p5-MIME-Base64-3.05 is installed dependency -=/devel/p5-Storable p5-Storable-2.15 is installed dependency -=/devel/p5-Time-HiRes p5-Time-HiRes-1.68,1 is installed dependency -=/dns/p5-Net-DNS p5-Net-DNS-0.51 is installed dependency -=/mail/p5-Mail-Tools p5-Mail-Tools-1.66 is installed dependency -=/mail/razor-agents razor-agents-2.72 is installed dependency -=/net-mgmt/p5-Net-IP p5-Net-IP-1.23 is installed dependency -=/net/p5-IO-INET6 p5-IO-INET6-2.01 is installed dependency -=/net/p5-Net p5-Net-1.19,1 is installed dependency -=/net/p5-Socket6 p5-Socket6-0.18 is installed dependency -=/net/p5-URI p5-URI-1.35 is installed dependency -=/security/p5-Authen-SASL p5-Authen-SASL-2.09 is installed dependency -=/security/p5-Digest p5-Digest-HMAC-1.01 is installed dependency -=/security/p5-Digest-HMAC p5-Digest-HMAC-1.01 is installed dependency -=/security/p5-Digest-MD5 p5-Digest-MD5-2.33 is installed dependency -=/security/p5-Digest-SHA1 p5-Digest-SHA1-2.10 is installed dependency -=/sysutils/rc_subr rc_subr-1.31 is installed dependency -=/www/p5-HTML-Parser p5-HTML-Parser-3.45 is installed dependency -=/www/p5-HTML-Tagset p5-HTML-Tagset-3.04 is installed PMGRrStatus 0.2.9_4 info: looking for old installed ports have:png-1.2.8_2 status: CURRENT: /graphics/png have:libXft-2.1.6_1status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/libXft have:fontconfig-2.2.3,1status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/fontconfig have:p5-XML-Parser-2.34_1 status: CURRENT: /textproc/p5-XML-Parser have:XFree86-FontServer-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11-servers/XFree86-4-FontServer have:xterm-202 status: CURRENT: /x11/xterm have:lsof-4.75 status: CURRENT: /sysutils/lsof have:XFree86-clients-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11/XFree86-4-clients have:pico-4.62 status: CURRENT: /editors/pico have:XFree86-documents-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11/XFree86-4-documents have:XFree86-fontEncodings-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontEncodings have:XFree86-font100dpi-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/XFree86-4-font100dpi have:XFree86-font75dpi-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/XFree86-4-font75dpi have:XFree86-fontCyrillic-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontCyrillic have:pine-4.63 status: CURRENT: /mail/pine4 have:XFree86-libraries-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11/XFree86-4-libraries have:pkgconfig-0.17.2 status: CURRENT: /devel/pkgconfig have:XFree86-fontDefaultBitmaps-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontDefaultBitmaps have:p5-IO-stringy-2.110 status: CURRENT: /devel/p5-IO-stringy have:libxml2-2.6.19status: CURRENT: /textproc/libxml2 have:XFree86-manuals-4.5.0 status: CURRENT: /x11/XFree86-4-manuals have:fvwm-1.24rstatus: CURRENT: /x11-wm/fvwm have:libtool-1.3.5_2 status: CURRENT: /devel/libtool13 have:p5-Test-Harness-2.42_1status: CURRENT: /devel/p5-Test-Harness have:gmake-3.80_2 status: CURRENT: /devel/gmake have:ezm3-1.2 status: CURRENT: /lang/ezm3 have:openssl-0.9.7gstatus: CURRENT: /security/openssl have:screen-4.0.2_1status: CURRENT: /misc/screen have:ruby-1.6.8.2004.07.28_1 status: CURRENT: /lang/ruby16 have:cgilib-0.5status: CURRENT: /devel/cgilib have:libart_lgpl2-2.3.17 status: CURRENT: /graphics/libart_lgpl2 have:p5-Digest-HMAC-1.01 status: CURRENT: /security/p5-Digest-HMAC have:aaccli-1.0status: CURRENT: /sysutils/aaccli have:p5-File-Temp-0.16_2 status: CURRENT: /devel/p5-File-Temp have:p5-Net-IP-1.23status: CURRENT: /net-mgmt/p5-Net-IP have:gettext-0.14.5
Re: portmanager, amavis install problem
On Jun 27, 2005, at 10:32 AM, Bart Silverstrim wrote: There seems to be a dependency loop occuring on our server when trying to do an upgrade; is there a way to force the update and rebuild dependencies? Below is a snippet of output (please let me know if more of the update info is needed...) snip I tried updating just the p5-spamassassin module and it would halt on trying to rebuild a dependancy; it was suggesting a deinstall/reinstall of the perl module. I did, then it would stop on a different one. After about five manual deinstall/reinstalls of p5 modules, it rebuilt without error, but now in the amavis logs I notice: TROUBLE in check_mail: mime_decode-1 FAILED: Error reading: Resource temporarily unavailable at (eval 57) line 153, GEN8 line 2. in checking some messages. Any ideas on what to rebuild from this? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: portmanager, amavis update problem
On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:02 AM, Alistair Sutton wrote: On 27/06/05, Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems to be a dependency loop occuring on our server when trying to do an upgrade; is there a way to force the update and rebuild dependencies? Below is a snippet of output (please let me know if more of the update info is needed...) snip output The output seems to suggest that p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.4 isn't installed and as such portmanager wants to install it. Why it is looping the build I don't know. Have you tried manualling installing the amavisd-new port? If there is a problem with the dependencies then manually installing the port should pull in SpamAssassin without any problems and portmanager should no longer need to rebuild it thus allowing it to continue on upgrading anything else. right now it looks like after manually deinstalling/reinstalling a couple of the perl modules Amavis depends on (well, spamassassin) it builds, but there's a problem with a MIME module or something depending thereof :-/ I get mime_decode-1 FAILED errors in the amavis logs. Is there a way to rebuild amavis and all the perl modules it uses easily? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: portmanager, amavis install problem
On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Michael C. Shultz wrote: On Monday 27 June 2005 07:32, Bart Silverstrim wrote: There seems to be a dependency loop occuring on our server when trying to do an upgrade; is there a way to force the update and rebuild dependencies? Below is a snippet of output (please let me know if more of the update info is needed...) -Bart Bart, not sure why SpamAssassin is loop ing in your case but here is what I would try: snip Would that rebuild the dependencies? I should also point out that I'm not sure it was a portmanger problem, it just appeared while portmanager was doing the upgrade. I also should note that I think Perl updated; I couldn't do the first manual make deinstall make reinstall of a perl module needed to do the update until I re-ran use.perl port. I then had to manually make deinstall make reinstall several p5 modules needed by the spamassassin system. I'm wondering if recompiling the p5 modules spamassassin uses would fix the problem, but don't know the command off the top of my head to do so, and trying a portupgrade -Rr amavisd-new does nothing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: portmanager, amavis update problem
On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:14 AM, Alistair Sutton wrote: On 27/06/05, Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:02 AM, Alistair Sutton wrote: Have you tried manualling installing the amavisd-new port? If there is a problem with the dependencies then manually installing the port should pull in SpamAssassin without any problems and portmanager should no longer need to rebuild it thus allowing it to continue on upgrading anything else. right now it looks like after manually deinstalling/reinstalling a couple of the perl modules Amavis depends on (well, spamassassin) it builds, but there's a problem with a MIME module or something depending thereof :-/ I get mime_decode-1 FAILED errors in the amavis logs. I'm guessing that may have something to do with one of the perl mime modules but I've no idea which one (helpful aren't I? ;-) Well, it helps to know that someone is guessing what I'm guessing :-) Is there a way to rebuild amavis and all the perl modules it uses easily? Apologies for asking this but have you read /usr/ports/UPDATING specifically wrt the recent perl upgrade? Could be worth running the perl upgrade script mentioned there. I saw it (too late, but I did see it and run the script). Output: /usr/local/bin/perl-after-upgrade amavisd-new-2.3.1,1: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-Archive-Tar-1.23_1: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-Archive-Zip-1.14_1: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-BerkeleyDB-0.26: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-Compress-Zlib-1.34: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-Convert-BinHex-1.119: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-Convert-TNEF-0.17: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-Convert-UUlib-1.05.1,1: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-Digest-HMAC-1.01: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-Digest-SHA1-2.10: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-File-Temp-0.16_2: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-HTML-Parser-3.45: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-HTML-Tagset-3.04: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-IO-String-1.06: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-IO-stringy-2.110: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-IO-Zlib-1.04_1: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.4: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-Mail-Tools-1.66: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-MIME-Base64-3.05: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-MIME-Tools-5.417,2: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-Net-DNS-0.51: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-Net-Server-0.87_1: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-PathTools-3.09: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-Scalar-List-Utils-1.14,1: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-Test-Harness-2.42_1: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-Test-Simple-0.60: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted p5-Unix-Syslog-0.100: 0 moved, 0 modified, 0 adjusted \ --- Fixed 0 packages (0 files moved, 0 files modified) Skipped 134 packages I know that portmanager should handle the upgrade without any issues but I've not managed to have enough time to let my system work through all the perl-dependent ports yet. You could use 'portupgrade -fR amavis' to rebuild all the ports that amavis depends upon as well as amavis itself. That should work things out in the right order and rebuild everything so that all dependecies are sorted. I'll try that one...but I should probably run portupgrade -fR amavisd-new, no? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: portmanager, amavis update problem
On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Alistair Sutton wrote: On 27/06/05, Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:14 AM, Alistair Sutton wrote: I get mime_decode-1 FAILED errors in the amavis logs. I'm guessing that may have something to do with one of the perl mime modules but I've no idea which one (helpful aren't I? ;-) Well, it helps to know that someone is guessing what I'm guessing :-) At least you don't have go mad on your own ;-) I know that portmanager should handle the upgrade without any issues but I've not managed to have enough time to let my system work through all the perl-dependent ports yet. You could use 'portupgrade -fR amavis' to rebuild all the ports that amavis depends upon as well as amavis itself. That should work things out in the right order and rebuild everything so that all dependecies are sorted. I'll try that one...but I should probably run portupgrade -fR amavisd-new, no? Good point ;-) Tried, it failed part-way through. It acted like Perl was switched back to system and was the wrong version. Re-ran the use.perl port, and then had to manually re-run make deinstall make reinstall on half a dozen perl modules, then it acted like it was going to work but then as soon as I brought the mail system up, it started spewing: TROUBLE in check_mail: mime_decode-1 FAILED: Error reading: Resource temporarily unavailable at (eval 57) line 153, GEN20 line 2. and TROUBLE in check_mail: virus_scan FAILED: virus_scan: ALL VIRUS SCANNERS FAILED: Clam Antivirus-clamd av-scanner FAILED: Too many retries to talk to /var/run/clamav/clamd (Error reading from /var/run/clamav/clamd: Resource temporarily unavailable at (eval 53) line 253, GEN10 line 1.) at (eval 53) line 264, GEN10 line 1.; Clam Antivirus - clamscan av-scanner FAILED: Error reading: Resource temporarily unavailable at (eval 53) line 389, GEN11 line 1. I checked /var/run, and clamav had permissions of 777, and the clamd file is there with full access available. maybe there's something with the error checks that was altered in Amavis that I'm missing?? And this time around, the antivirus check error is new...amavis, when starting, says: Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39698]: starting. /usr/local/sbin/amavisd at myserver amavisd-new-2.3.1 (20050509), Unicode aware Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39698]: Perl version 5.008007 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module Amavis::Conf2.038 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module Archive::Tar1.23 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module Archive::Zip1.14 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module Compress::Zlib 1.34 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module Convert::TNEF 0.17 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module Convert::UUlib 1.051 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module DB_File 1.811 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module MIME::Entity5.417 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module MIME::Parser5.417 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module MIME::Tools 5.417 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module Mail::Header1.66 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module Mail::Internet 1.66 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module Mail::SpamAssassin 3.04 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module Net::Cmd2.26 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module Net::DNS0.51 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module Net::SMTP 2.29 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module Net::Server 0.87 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module Time::HiRes 1.66 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Module Unix::Syslog0.100 Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Amavis::DB codeNOT loaded Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Amavis::Cache code NOT loaded Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: SQL base code NOT loaded Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: SQL::Log code NOT loaded Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: SQL::QuarantineNOT loaded Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Lookup::SQL code NOT loaded Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: Lookup::LDAP code NOT loaded Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: AM.PDP prot code loaded Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[39699]: SMTP-in prot code loaded Jun 27 11:49:06 myserver /usr/local
Re: portmanager, amavis update problem
On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Alistair Sutton wrote: On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Alistair Sutton wrote: On 27/06/05, Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:14 AM, Alistair Sutton wrote: I get mime_decode-1 FAILED errors in the amavis logs. I'm guessing that may have something to do with one of the perl mime modules but I've no idea which one (helpful aren't I? ;-) Well, it helps to know that someone is guessing what I'm guessing :-) At least you don't have go mad on your own ;-) I know that portmanager should handle the upgrade without any issues but I've not managed to have enough time to let my system work through all the perl-dependent ports yet. You could use 'portupgrade -fR amavis' to rebuild all the ports that amavis depends upon as well as amavis itself. That should work things out in the right order and rebuild everything so that all dependecies are sorted. I'll try that one...but I should probably run portupgrade -fR amavisd-new, no? Good point ;-) Tried, it failed part-way through. It acted like Perl was switched back to system and was the wrong version. Re-ran the use.perl port, and then had to manually re-run make deinstall make reinstall on half a dozen perl modules, then it acted like it was going to work but then as soon as I brought the mail system up, it started spewing: TROUBLE in check_mail: mime_decode-1 FAILED: Error reading: Resource temporarily unavailable at (eval 57) line 153, GEN20 line 2. and TROUBLE in check_mail: virus_scan FAILED: virus_scan: ALL VIRUS SCANNERS FAILED: Clam Antivirus-clamd av-scanner FAILED: Too many retries to talk to /var/run/clamav/clamd (Error reading from /var/run/clamav/clamd: Resource temporarily unavailable at (eval 53) line 253, GEN10 line 1.) at (eval 53) line 264, GEN10 line 1.; Clam Antivirus - clamscan av-scanner FAILED: Error reading: Resource temporarily unavailable at (eval 53) line 389, GEN11 line 1. I checked /var/run, and clamav had permissions of 777, and the clamd file is there with full access available. maybe there's something with the error checks that was altered in Amavis that I'm missing?? And this time around, the antivirus check error is new...amavis, when starting, says: snip I found a line in the amavisd.conf file that I set to true $bypass_decode_parts = 1; Looks like a workaround to try getting mail to work, but shouldn't be set this way... :-/ Got rid of the one error though. Still, I'm getting: TROUBLE in check_mail: virus_scan FAILED: virus_scan: ALL VIRUS SCANNERS FAILED: Clam Antivirus-clamd av-scanner FAILED: Too many retries to talk to /var/run/clamav/clamd (Error reading from /var/run/clamav/clamd: Resource temporarily unavailable at (eval 53) line 253, GEN16 line 1.) at (eval 53) line 264, GEN16 line 1.; Clam Antivirus - clamscan av-scanner FAILED: Error reading: Resource temporarily unavailable at (eval 53) line 389, GEN17 line 2. which leads to a: PRESERVING EVIDENCE in /var/amavis/amavis-20050627T120942-48739 Check the path of the error: # pwd /var/run/clamav # ls -al total 6 drwxrwxrwx 2 clamav clamav 512 Jun 27 12:15 . drwxr-xr-x 5 rootwheel 512 Jun 27 11:46 .. srwxrwxrwx 1 vscan clamav0 Jun 27 12:15 clamd -rw-rw 1 vscan clamav5 Jun 27 12:15 clamd.pid # Amavis sees this at startup: Jun 27 12:16:30 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[48847]: starting. /usr/local/sbin/amavisd at myserver amavisd-new-2.3.1 (20050509), Unicode aware Jun 27 12:16:30 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[48847]: Perl version 5.008007 Jun 27 12:16:30 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[48848]: Module Amavis::Conf2.038 Jun 27 12:16:30 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[48848]: Module Compress::Zlib 1.34 Jun 27 12:16:30 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[48848]: Module DB_File 1.811 Jun 27 12:16:30 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[48848]: Module MIME::Entity5.417 Jun 27 12:16:30 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[48848]: Module MIME::Parser5.417 Jun 27 12:16:30 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[48848]: Module MIME::Tools 5.417 Jun 27 12:16:30 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[48848]: Module Mail::Header1.66 Jun 27 12:16:30 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[48848]: Module Mail::Internet 1.66 Jun 27 12:16:30 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[48848]: Module Mail::SpamAssassin 3.04 Jun 27 12:16:30 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[48848]: Module Net::Cmd2.26 Jun 27 12:16:30 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[48848]: Module Net::DNS0.51 Jun 27 12:16:30 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[48848]: Module Net::SMTP 2.29 Jun 27 12:16:30 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[48848]: Module Net::Server 0.87 Jun 27 12:16:30 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[48848]: Module Time::HiRes 1.66 Jun 27 12:16:30 myserver /usr/local/sbin/amavisd[48848]: Module Unix::Syslog0.100 Jun 27 12:16:30 myserver /usr
Re: Explaining FreeBSD features
On Jun 23, 2005, at 5:04 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I have to take my neighbour with her Ph.D. in biology again. We can assume she has proven not to be a plain idiot. She got some of the book, looked at them for some days and said 'why should I study IT before I can use FreeBSD'. Why should I study the drivers manual before getting a drivers license? I do not know why people do it. I just learned driving in a deserted place. So...you learn what the interface tells you and your intuition can figure out. Other people learn by reading and finding out how things work so they actually know what's going on. It's always entertaining to do something on the computer that the user never stumbled across before and is amazed that a task could be done that way. How did you know that? I can read. Even more fun are the people that stumble their way through applications to the point where it looks like they're doing something productive and may even end up with an end product (barely), but have no clue what they did or how they did it and what they ended up with was so wrong that it can end up being a headache for the next person in line to deal with. For example, there was someone I knew who did a small publication with a popular (read: Microsoft) application that required a number of graphics be inserted along with text boxes and a full layout all arranged before the document was sent to the printer (a printer as in a contracted publisher). The end result was nearly 400 meg. I looked at it and saw that they had inserted a number of graphics that were in their original format...namely, huge. I'm talking about jpg files that were easily over a meg each. The person had inserted the graphic and just scaled it down using copy and paste from a graphics program, so the original full-res image was getting embedded into the document when, for the quality of the printing that was going to be made, it was definitely not needed. Where are the graphics you used? I don't know...I just have them on the desktop and here and there... So we spent some time trying to track those down, since the person didn't know how to organize their files so they had stuff spread out wherever seemed to work. Some of the pictures were scanned in; where did they save them? Didn't know that either. Next I showed them the difference between the application just scaling the image as viewed and embedded, and actually taking the image in an image editor and resizing it, then saving the resulting image and using that in the publication document. One meg pictures resized closer to the actual image size that was used in the document now only took a hundred kilobytes or so. After going through this a few times (and making sure they saved the new images with a different filename to a specific directory so they could be referred back to), they set off on their own to continue the work. The document that was 400 meg, when I checked before leaving, was down to around 80 meg, and they were still working on the document when I left the building. Funny how sometimes knowing what you're doing by reading, working with it, trying to understand what's going on can beat raw I don't really give a d*mn how it works as long as it seems to work intuition sometimes. I guess that's why it's harder nowadays to throw a car's transmission from drive into reverse. Too many intuitive learners out there. We no longer wish to take responsibility for our actions, and we are being trained not to even think for ourselves. Curiosity is disappearing. Immediate results, even if they are wrong or done so inefficiently that the end product of our labor is crud, is preferred over actually learning how to do it right (or at least better than our random guesses). And before pointing out that people learn by randomly guessing at how to do things, there is a difference between what is motivating the object of my criticism and the artisan hacker, with hacker being a term applied to far more than just computers; the former is randomly guessing at things to just churn out crud and doesn't care how it is done, has no urge to know what they are doing, they simply care about getting from point A to point B. The latter pokes at some things, finds this is the result, then analyzes the result and wonders...is there a better way to do this? Then they proceed to retry it with a different approach to compare the results. The latter gets from point A to point B, then looks to see if they could do it in a better way. If they get stuck they read the manual. Or they read articles and postings about the topic at hand to see if someone else found a better way. The latter also seem to be a dying breed. As for the biologist neighbor not being an idiot and asking why study IT to use it, well, if you're an IT person, are you qualified to be a biologist? Idiot
Re: Explaining FreeBSD features
On Jun 23, 2005, at 6:30 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Why should I study the drivers manual before getting a drivers license? I do not know why people do it. I just learned driving in a deserted place. I didn't say learned driving I said get a license You have to learn what's in the manual to pass the test to get the license. I also never studied that one. With other words: there is more than one way to get the knowledge. And so many ways never to learn the full potential of the tools you're using. It's not a question of trust, it's a question of do I understand what is going to happen. I find post-operative pain a lot easier to bear when I know why it's hurting. I do not bother to understand as long they say it is all right. Ignorance is bliss. Letting others think for us gives away responsibility and power, but hey, it's less work than thinking. It is for this reason that sysadmins end up having to clamp down so hard on so many desktop systems in organizations. You don't want the responsibility of knowing why you shouldn't be doing this, so we'll simply not allow it anymore. Why can't I get this attachment? Because you like clicking before thinking. Why can't I change my color schemes around? Because you ask for help and it makes other people's eyes go wonky reading purple-on-pink text. Why can't I save documents here instead of there? Because we've warned people that area isn't backed up, you lost a file, and threw a fit when it couldn't be restored. Eventually you HAVE to turn the workstation into some kiosk-esque etch-a-sketch to keep them from screwing up their workstations with their random click-click-click. Living in ignorance, and worse, being told that it's right to live in a state of ignorance, brings us to the state we're in today in the US. Everything is designed for idiots, we expect to legislate morality and intelligence (if it's harmful, we should ban it, make it illegal, or put so many warning stickers on it that only someone with the IQ of butter could operate it). Ah, but help on who's terms? Telling a newbie to RTFM for an answer that he asks which is in the manual IS help. Yes, it is help. But how dumb does a person have to be if this is of real help? I don't know the population of Estonia but knowing where to find the information can be of more help than memorizing that (changing) fact. More often than not it's not a matter of a person being dumb as much as it is just being lazy. Why read for help when we can ask a short, pointed, and specific question to experts and have them answer just my specific floating in the forefront of my head question right now? It's of real help to try to get people to actually think on their own, and use the groups to clarify questions or share experiences or practical application information. But I'm sure we're all guilty of asking questions when our needs would have been met by just RTFM at some point. Or at least getting the pointer of where in TFM to look to cut down on the search time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Postfix on BSD
Probably off-topic, but it's a sysadmin question that maybe someone on the list could send a quick blurb answer about :-/ I'm trying to filter some mail coming into Postfix based on the body content. I have the line body_checks = regexp:/usr/local/etc/postfix/body_checks in main.cf. The file contains: # Will this stop RR collateral damage messages? /^* This e-mail was sent from a Road Runner IP address. As part of our continuing initiative to stop the spread of malicious viruses, Road Runner scans all outbound e-mail attachments./ REJECT Possible automated RoadRunner mail scanning collateral damage. Eliminate the notifying text and resend message. # Borrowed check lines /^This e-mail, in its original form, contained one or more attached files that were infected with a virus, worm,/ REJECT Email reporting virus detected /^This e-mail in its original form contained one or more attached files that were infected with the / REJECT Email reporting virus detected ** The files are owned root, wheel with rwrr, so it should be readable by the postfix processes. I do a postfix reload, send an email from the Internet to this mail server containing the key phrase(s), and they seem to go right through! Am I missing something? I (have, am) going through docs and examples to try to figure it out...but any hints from people on the list using postfix would be appreciated. The logs aren't showing any error messages from postfix on reload (or start/stop). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Postfix on BSD
On Jun 16, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Ean Kingston wrote: On June 16, 2005 11:54 am, Bart Silverstrim wrote: Probably off-topic, but it's a sysadmin question that maybe someone on the list could send a quick blurb answer about :-/ I'm trying to filter some mail coming into Postfix based on the body content. I have the line body_checks = regexp:/usr/local/etc/postfix/body_checks in main.cf. The file contains: # Will this stop RR collateral damage messages? /^* This e-mail was sent from a Road Runner IP address. As part of our continuing initiative to stop the spread of malicious viruses, Road Runner scans all outbound e-mail attachments./ REJECT Possible automated RoadRunner mail scanning collateral damage. Eliminate the notifying text and resend message. # Borrowed check lines /^This e-mail, in its original form, contained one or more attached files that were infected with a virus, worm,/ REJECT Email reporting virus detected /^This e-mail in its original form contained one or more attached files that were infected with the / REJECT Email reporting virus detected ** The files are owned root, wheel with rwrr, so it should be readable by the postfix processes. I do a postfix reload, send an email from the Internet to this mail server containing the key phrase(s), and they seem to go right through! Am I missing something? Yes you are missing something. Postfix does not do multi-line expression matching. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but the lines wrapped in the email and are one line each in the actual configuration file. Also the asterisk in /^* This e-mail was sent from a Road Runner IP address. has been removed now...a warning was appearing in the maillog. No longer gives warning, but still lets the m ail through. Postconf shows that the value for body_check is pointing at the correct file... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Postfix on BSD
On Jun 16, 2005, at 1:25 PM, Ean Kingston wrote: On June 16, 2005 12:06 pm, Bart Silverstrim wrote: On Jun 16, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Ean Kingston wrote: On June 16, 2005 11:54 am, Bart Silverstrim wrote: Probably off-topic, but it's a sysadmin question that maybe someone on the list could send a quick blurb answer about :-/ I'm trying to filter some mail coming into Postfix based on the body content. I have the line body_checks = regexp:/usr/local/etc/postfix/body_checks in main.cf. The file contains: # Will this stop RR collateral damage messages? /^* This e-mail was sent from a Road Runner IP address. As part of our continuing initiative to stop the spread of malicious viruses, Road Runner scans all outbound e-mail attachments./ REJECT Possible automated RoadRunner mail scanning collateral damage. Eliminate the notifying text and resend message. # Borrowed check lines /^This e-mail, in its original form, contained one or more attached files that were infected with a virus, worm,/ REJECT Email reporting virus detected /^This e-mail in its original form contained one or more attached files that were infected with the / REJECT Email reporting virus detected ** The files are owned root, wheel with rwrr, so it should be readable by the postfix processes. I do a postfix reload, send an email from the Internet to this mail server containing the key phrase(s), and they seem to go right through! Am I missing something? Yes you are missing something. Postfix does not do multi-line expression matching. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but the lines wrapped in the email and are one line each in the actual configuration file. Postfix scans the body of the email message one line at a time. Your expressions have more text that would usually go on a single line in an email. I'm sorry, you're right. I tested using telnet to the SMTP server and it flagged it; something with my MTA or MUA was wrapping the lines. I didn't know if you meant the lines were too long in the body_checks or in the raw source of the message. Thanks, -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very Dissapointed
On Jun 14, 2005, at 10:21 AM, Lane wrote:
Ok, Ok.
I think everybody gets it, now.
FreeBSD Yay!
Microsoft Boo.
FreeBSD users are the most helpful EVER, with never a bad word uttered.
Microsoft users are bad people whose feet stink and they might not
love jesus.
Now, please move on.
You forgot Top posters, Boo!
Where exactly was the reply inflammatory enough to warrant that reply?
On Tuesday 14 June 2005 06:46, John McAree wrote:
I just came in on the end of this, so I'm not sure what you've done.
But you are correct that there aren't many guides for such a thing
that a
beginner could follow.
hay guys i hear freebsd have this here 'handbook' type thing. Try
reading
it. http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/
I'd like to see Microsoft provide such a resource for Windows (at
least,
one that doesn't treat the reader like an idiot).
Most of the MSDN/Technet? While not in a handy format, it does have
a lot of articles that I've found to be of use in
troubleshooting/reconfiguring. If you know specifically what you're
looking for.
The FreeBSD handbook is a wonderful resource, but there are still times
when I find the articles at FreeBSD Diary and some other *BSD sites to
be more informative and up to date for a particular task.
If dk is such a computer expert (using PCs since the days of DOS 3.3?
Wow), he should be familiar with using things like command lines,
non-graphical installers, and the task of setting up your own disk
partitions. The handbook is an excellent resource, when I was a
beginner
with FreeBSD I found it invaluable. I still refer to it regularly, 2-3
years later. All I can say is that this is the problem with the way
Windows does *everything* for the user (and usually not very
well)...the
users lose the ability to think for themselves, or to even learn
anything
about the PC they are using.
Um...isn't this what ALL users want from there computer, to have it do
the thinking *FOR* them? That's a trend not just in
computing/technology, but for society in general, I've found.
It appears from my observation that kids in school (American, public
school system) are now being actively trained not to think for
themselves, period. It's worse now that schools are accountable with
No Child Left Behind...they're taught rote skills for passing exams set
as standards so teachers teach to the tests so schools get a score that
allows them to keep getting government money, even though the federal
government hasn't come through with the funding they promised in order
to have the schools use the programs to teach to the tests in the first
place so it's driving schools further in debt and people are too
{ignorant | lazy | naive | brainwashed | apathetic} to care about how
their tax dollars are being wasted. But that's a political argument
that doesn't belong here...just venting :-)
Point is, people by their nature are lazy, they will do the laziest
thing to achieve the result they want, and they don't want to know
squat about how their computer works even if it hurts them in the long
run (Where did you save the file?...Save it?...Yeah, where did you save
it?...I don't know...)
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