Re: [Freedos-user] HTTPS
From: dos386 <dos...@gmail.com> > > The bloat increase is just incredible :-D and sure RAM and CPU > > consumption grows too > One man's bloat is another's feature. I've been running Mozilla code > since it was still an internal Netscape COOL ... at that time they refused to add support for MNG as it would add 10 KiO of bloat ... now we have 50 MiO bloat of the browser + 20 MiO bloat of Flu$h instead :-D > The big step towards that came from Cisco. The defacto standard > encoding for video these days is H_264, but it's a proprietary spec There used to be a draft back in 2007 recommending Theora for coming HTML5 ... but it was trashed after pressure of some companies (Adobe, Banana/Apple, ...) ... and now 9 years later we have 10 times more bloated browsers and still no usable standard, and most video pages still rudely cry for Flu$h. > You are *not* representative of the mass user base well :-D > and what works for you will not work for 99% of the rest of the world You are wrong. The Internet used more or less to work for 99% of the world ... the problem is that those 99% love to throw away something that works (proverb: "change the winning team ASAP") for no reason. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (1:2320/105.99) --- * BgNet 1.0b12 = CCO * KY/US * 502/875-8938 * capcity2.synchro.net --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] HTTPS
From: dos386 <dos...@gmail.com> > On 21 July Eric Auer said: > indeed I am trying to motivate people to use TLS/SSL This (and without HeartBleed's, MD5-certificates, crippled 40-bit keys,...) definitely makes sense when hunting around big bucks or sensitive personal data ... however obligatory HTTPS for things like BUGzilla's and user or developer forums isn't that sane. > I don't recall ever seeing an MNG file, and if I were Mozilla, I > wouldn't bother to add support for something no one actually > used, even if it produced *no* bloat. 10 + 5 = 2 ;-) > More to the point, who *needed* it? - people using AGIF and being happy with it - people using AGIF but being concerned about its technical issues (256 colors etc) - people using AGIF but being concerned about its legal issues - people using Flu$h for animations and being happy with it - people using Flu$h for animations but being concerned about its technical issues (bugged Plugin) - people using Flu$h for animations but being concerned about its legal issues - people who would like to use animations on the Internet but couldn't since both AGIF and Flu$h sucked > What sort of other stuff might you *omit* from Mozilla code to > trim bloat? What do you consider bloat? Maybe cca 80% of stuff added during recent 4 years. > H_264 got the nod because it provides better compression, and > video takes bandwidth. Google But the very same Google notoriously tries to prevent people from downloading movies from its Loo-Tube. 10 times viewed -> 10 times wasted bandwidth. Now let's assert than bandwidth is an issue. :-D > was looking at Theora as an alternative when they decided to make Chrome Please point me to the full test report with test materials. > We *have* a usable spec, and it's being implemented. We have a codec with legal problems ... when the legal problems expire one day the codec will be deprecated ... maybe H265 or H266 will be "in" and guess what ... have new legal problems. > There's a lot more to HTML5 than the new keyword The new keyword (together with Theora+Vorbis codecs) was the useful part of HTML5. > I don't think "most" video pages rudely cry for flash > Got a site where you would really like to see Flash go away in favor of HTML5? http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36961338 > Download Flash Player now >You need to install Flash Player to play this content. https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer > and video isn't the only reason Flash is deployed. The other one were animations, see above about MNG. > Folks are moving away from it as fast as they can. sure :-D > But getting rid of Flash is a complex exercise. > Are *you* willing to pay what it will cost Definitely NO. Why? Becasue it does NOT need 1000's of hours of work done by 1000's of state-of-the-art programmers. Instead of the malware link "https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer; they could just provide the download link for the movie, or embed it using the simple HTML5 style. This would cost actually nothing. > Since you seem to have missed the fact oops > I'll be a good guy damn > What worked 20 years ago *won't* work now. Because of "good guy" 's like you notoriously deliberately break things. > world is bigger than you are and doesn't *care* what *you* think Why the hell have *you* subscribed to the *FreeDOS* list? BTW, FireFox now includes an excellent PDF viewer. It's only cca 100 times slower than MUPDF. ;-) One more bad news for you: > FF 1-4 do *not* support current standards, and are likely to fail > in odd ways if you try to use them now check http://www.4p8.com/eric.brasseur/gamma_dalai_lama.html with FireFox 48 then check with Links 2.13. Oops, you can't since you don't have DOS ? Then check the shot I made for you: http://www.xaver.me/drdoswiki/uploads/Main/li213gam.png -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (1:2320/105.99) --- * BgNet 1.0b12 = CCO * KY/US * 502/875-8938 * capcity2.synchro.net --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] HTTPS
From: dos386 <dos...@gmail.com> > > There must be SOME browsers for DOS which can handle it! > You talk as if you know for sure there is one. > Is this the case ? Links (well ... 2.13 works after minimal tests, but not tested on 80386 with < 16 MiO RAM) DOSLYNX (HTTPS works, but has some other flaws, hopefully needs less RAM than LINKS) http://www.xaver.me/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Browsers > Want to browse the web with support for current standards? Use a > browser under Windows or a flavor of *nix. (I'm in Firefox FireFox 1 -> 4 MiO FireFox 48 -> 50 MiO The bloat increase is just incredible :-D and sure RAM and CPU consumption grows too I had FireFox pretty well working on my great Pentium 1 laptop with 64 MiO RAM some years ago ... nowadays the Internet is on the limit of usability with Pentium 3 and 256 MiO. When are they going to drop Pentium 3 and XP? Can I have the good old paper mail of FreeDOS lists? Also the Opera development after version 9 is shameful ... bloat, many new "features" (most of them useless), the absurd JavaScript "performance" race, notoriously bad quality of releases (the infamous NO-SCRIPT-BUG ...) ... and killing their native engine after version 12. The world doesn't need "fastest" JavaScript engines needing several 100 MiO RAM, and even less Adobe Flu$h. The "current standards" are just absurdly increasing cost for essentially same functionality (we could use mail, post in forums, upload and download files, use CVS/SVN/GIT, Bugzilla, online maps, timetables, ...) already 10 or 15 years ago. The "new great user experience" means just that Internet more and more sucks. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (1:2320/105.99) --- * BgNet 1.0b12 = CCO * KY/US * 502/875-8938 * capcity2.synchro.net --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] HTTPS
From: dos386 <dos...@gmail.com> > Can I have the good old paper mail of FreeDOS lists? I meant: Can I have the good old paper mail __address__ of FreeDOS lists? -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (1:2320/105.99) --- * BgNet 1.0b12 = CCO * KY/US * 502/875-8938 * capcity2.synchro.net --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] HTTPS and DOS browsers
> > The bloat increase is just incredible :-D and sure RAM and CPU > > consumption grows too > One man's bloat is another's feature. I've been running Mozilla code > since it was still an internal Netscape COOL ... at that time they refused to add support for MNG as it would add 10 KiO of bloat ... now we have 50 MiO bloat of the browser + 20 MiO bloat of Flu$h instead :-D > The big step towards that came from Cisco. The defacto standard > encoding for video these days is H_264, but it's a proprietary spec There used to be a draft back in 2007 recommending Theora for coming HTML5 ... but it was trashed after pressure of some companies (Adobe, Banana/Apple, ...) ... and now 9 years later we have 10 times more bloated browsers and still no usable standard, and most video pages still rudely cry for Flu$h. > You are *not* representative of the mass user base well :-D > and what works for you will not work for 99% of the rest of the world You are wrong. The Internet used more or less to work for 99% of the world ... the problem is that those 99% love to throw away something that works (proverb: "change the winning team ASAP") for no reason. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] HTTPS and DOS browsers
> Can I have the good old paper mail of FreeDOS lists? I meant: Can I have the good old paper mail __address__ of FreeDOS lists? -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] HTTPS and DOS browsers
> > There must be SOME browsers for DOS which can handle it! > You talk as if you know for sure there is one. > Is this the case ? Links (well ... 2.13 works after minimal tests, but not tested on 80386 with < 16 MiO RAM) DOSLYNX (HTTPS works, but has some other flaws, hopefully needs less RAM than LINKS) http://www.xaver.me/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Browsers > Want to browse the web with support for current standards? Use a > browser under Windows or a flavor of *nix. (I'm in Firefox FireFox 1 -> 4 MiO FireFox 48 -> 50 MiO The bloat increase is just incredible :-D and sure RAM and CPU consumption grows too I had FireFox pretty well working on my great Pentium 1 laptop with 64 MiO RAM some years ago ... nowadays the Internet is on the limit of usability with Pentium 3 and 256 MiO. When are they going to drop Pentium 3 and XP? Can I have the good old paper mail of FreeDOS lists? Also the Opera development after version 9 is shameful ... bloat, many new "features" (most of them useless), the absurd JavaScript "performance" race, notoriously bad quality of releases (the infamous NO-SCRIPT-BUG ...) ... and killing their native engine after version 12. The world doesn't need "fastest" JavaScript engines needing several 100 MiO RAM, and even less Adobe Flu$h. The "current standards" are just absurdly increasing cost for essentially same functionality (we could use mail, post in forums, upload and download files, use CVS/SVN/GIT, Bugzilla, online maps, timetables, ...) already 10 or 15 years ago. The "new great user experience" means just that Internet more and more sucks. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeBASIC status?
> I've never used QB64 but have heard some stuff about it. > For one, it uses a C++ compiler as backend, no? http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum_entry.php?id=8785 (shots and links are dead, unfortunately) http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum_entry.php?id=8891 > doing some reading on the pros/cons of FreeBASIC vs QB64 EXE's from Q64 used to depend from only 8 MiO DLL bloat back in 2010 ... no clue how far it works nowadays 6 years later. AFAIK FreeBASIC still works in DOS (check the forum) ... although the DGJPP bloat is a bit frustrating. -- Attend Shape: An AT Tech Expo July 15-16. Meet us at AT Park in San Francisco, CA to explore cutting-edge tech and listen to tech luminaries present their vision of the future. This family event has something for everyone, including kids. Get more information and register today. http://sdm.link/attshape ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Poor mouse pointer visibility in Edit
> mouse pointer in Edit with a file open is almost invisible http://sf.net/p/freedos/bugs/2 -- Transform Data into Opportunity. Accelerate data analysis in your applications with Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. Click to learn more. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785351=/4140 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Arachne locks when loading images
> > Problem solved! > Well, not really. Damne ... kial ??? > There are obscure corner cases where you don't want DPMI loaded. Some WATCOM-like extenders like DOS32/A. ### HDPMI32 -u Problem solved! > Although to be fair, it is somewhat better than CWSDPMI > here because it supports those unofficial int 21h extensions (used by > e.g. OpenWatcom-compiled 32-bit stuff). Huh??? > But if at all possible, I stick to stock CWSDPMI. >From 1996 ??? > > programs. I had not realized that Arachne also needs DPMI. > I don't think it does. Most builds of Arachne have never been 32-bit. RTFW: http://www.xaver.me/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Arachne#toc8 > I admit to not having used it much. Indeed. > But IIRC there are some apps included that were compiled by > DJGPP (perhaps PNG2BMP? I don't remember). Indeed. And it's indeed safer and more efficient to have HDPMI32 (or at worst CWSDPMI) installed residently / permanently rather than launch it again and again for ever single image decoded. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] duplicate files in a directory
How do I rename one of the files so I can treat them separately Any disk editor will do, try WDe: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/disk/wde pick your volume, [F3] goto [F6] root ... find affected file (you can go into subdirectories too) ... patch the name (you can fix faulty char's too, do NOT add any faulty char's), [F1] to save (WARNING: no confirmation, no UNDO), reboot. -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Arachne locks when loading images
I have used Arachne for many years without any problems Nice to read this :-) Error messages are of the type: Page fault cr2=1002 at eio=11f0 This message seems to originate from desperately obsolete CWSDPMI bundled with Arachne. Solutions: [0] Get HDPMI32 and make it resident HDPMI32 -r (desperately obsolete CWSDPMI will get ignored then) --- or --- Get CWSDPMI version 7 and replace the obsolete version with it. PS: Did you try to reinstall Arachne ??? -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS article for freiesMagazin
it's better this way https://mistranslate.google.com Unfortunately the thing sometimes negates statements, reverses the causality, or performs other funny tweaks. Especially useful for crucial legal texts :-) PS: Thanks to Christian -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wiki updated
Hi The FreeDOS wiki has now been moved! The wiki now lives at http://www.freedos.org/wiki YES, it's there ... there is only one edit for this year (2014-Jan-18) and only 5 edits during 2013: www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesdays=1000hidebots=0 Could I have edit rights? Some outdated pages probably should be edited by some core administrator, however: http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/SourceForge http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/FreeDOS_Road_Map -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] SERIOUS Off-Topic, Part 2 -- U.S. Medicine.
So where-in-HELL did THIS come from?, and my doctor said it still hits 1 of 30,000 people with no other risk factors True :-( Good luck for your fight against the cancer __AND__ the doctors. If so, you all have XMGR/RDISK/UIDE/etc. in essentially mature form Thank you :-) -- Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS program for DOSEMU/FreeDOS enhancement in heterogenous Lin/Win environment
DOS programs, which are still maintained, are mostly supposed to be run under windows and their authors often complement them with windows programs True :-( which did some in DOS problematic tasks (e.g. print to windows printer Indeed a problem sent e-mail, find free disk space, download something from internet etc NOT a problem. -- Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] haauuuu something is wrong here....
are we ok and alive? YES. XP is dead, FreeDOS is alive. -- Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ytcrack.exe in Dillo/ links
easy download video-music with ytcrack-apm, but I have no idea how to do it in Dillo or Links the ytcrack-apm can only be used with Arachne just as the other apm's. Well, Arachne APM's can't be used as-is with other browsers, but the core EXE of YTCRACK should be usable with any other browser too. 1. Save to page holding the crappy Flush video into a HTML file 2. Process this file with YTCRACK.EXE - another HTML file as output 3. Feed the output HTML file into your browser Note that I didn't test recently, so info might be outdated or wrong. -- Subversion Kills Productivity. Get off Subversion Make the Move to Perforce. With Perforce, you get hassle-free workflows. Merge that actually works. Faster operations. Version large binaries. Built-in WAN optimization and the freedom to use Git, Perforce or both. Make the move to Perforce. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=122218951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] MPlayer: Tips and Tricks
Some hints, for FreeDOS lovers, or HowTo Create a Nice Multimedia System from Old Hardware http://www.xaver.me/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Mplayer if you have corrections or additions let me know ... -- Subversion Kills Productivity. Get off Subversion Make the Move to Perforce. With Perforce, you get hassle-free workflows. Merge that actually works. Faster operations. Version large binaries. Built-in WAN optimization and the freedom to use Git, Perforce or both. Make the move to Perforce. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=122218951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Needs an approval
Try something like ImageShack (see below): http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/832/lynx3.png/ AFAIK ImageShark already stopped working ... and maybe a DOS shot would be less bloated? -- Subversion Kills Productivity. Get off Subversion Make the Move to Perforce. With Perforce, you get hassle-free workflows. Merge that actually works. Faster operations. Version large binaries. Built-in WAN optimization and the freedom to use Git, Perforce or both. Make the move to Perforce. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=122218951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] defrag program issue
You can create a 4GB FAT16 partition using WinXP which uses 64KB clusters, but it probably isn't accessible from DOS. Did you test? EDR-DOS AFAIK does support 64 KiB clusters on FAT16, but I never tested. See http://support.macro$oft.com/kb/310561 See drdos.org and drdosprojects.de (latter unfortunately no longer maintained). -- Subversion Kills Productivity. Get off Subversion Make the Move to Perforce. With Perforce, you get hassle-free workflows. Merge that actually works. Faster operations. Version large binaries. Built-in WAN optimization and the freedom to use Git, Perforce or both. Make the move to Perforce. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=122218951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS links page
Hi I just visited every link on the FreeDOS Links page, and fixed/removed these Thanks ... drdos.org is still commented out despite it works again ... it just redirects elsewhere (and is sometimes lazy). -- Subversion Kills Productivity. Get off Subversion Make the Move to Perforce. With Perforce, you get hassle-free workflows. Merge that actually works. Faster operations. Version large binaries. Built-in WAN optimization and the freedom to use Git, Perforce or both. Make the move to Perforce. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=122218951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Needs an approval
DOS shots are smaller: http://board.flatassembler.net/files/ide1key_563.png (7 KiO) -- Subversion Kills Productivity. Get off Subversion Make the Move to Perforce. With Perforce, you get hassle-free workflows. Merge that actually works. Faster operations. Version large binaries. Built-in WAN optimization and the freedom to use Git, Perforce or both. Make the move to Perforce. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=122218951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] defrag program issue
Granted that you can, it may simply be more trouble than it's worth. Agree. No point to brew 64 KiO clusters. -- Subversion Kills Productivity. Get off Subversion Make the Move to Perforce. With Perforce, you get hassle-free workflows. Merge that actually works. Faster operations. Version large binaries. Built-in WAN optimization and the freedom to use Git, Perforce or both. Make the move to Perforce. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=122218951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Ibiblio blocked as malware site
Hi (somewhat late and somewhat related) 0. I didn't notice any problems with ibiblio (apart from already discussed bad directory timestamps) http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/ 1. for years until now I've been having issues with http://users.ohiohills.com/fmacall/ ... worx or not depending from what location or using what proxy I access it 2. freedos.org still doesn't work without the www 3. http://www.freedos.org/links/ many links are DEAD or have issues : - drdos.org (moved) - Access DOS Menu (dead) - RAR for MS-DOS (better link to UNRAR DGJPP port?) - Avaya DOS Wi-Fi drivers (dead) - Programming (FASM missing) - NASM is redirected - Goodie Domain Service - is a mirror of ibiblio ??? - An inside look at DOS (dead) -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip with aes?
PS: 7-ZIP 9.33-buggy-alpha is out. What's new: dropped support for Windaube ME (finally, not yet tested in DOS). -- Sponsored by Intel(R) XDK Develop, test and display web and hybrid apps with a single code base. Download it for free now! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=111408631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] MT.COM not found in internet !! :(
but if MT.COM is not found, i search a simple exe program for dos as MT.COM I program with FreeBasic for DOS, if a runtime or coroutines for this compiler, This could help me Note that reliable and useful multitasking needs a thorough design from the ground ... so be prepared for disappointments :-( There is no trivial magic hack that turns DOS into a multitasking OS. I intended to keep the file on my site until Sebastian could download it Got it ... 15 years old :-D and MT.COM is just 2'319 Byte's :-D Hello, please understand that we no longer offer any DOS-based programs Mr. Feichtinger would first have to ask me to remove the file and if I refuse to do that he could sue me big lawsuit due to negligible and obsolete 2'319 Byte's :-D -- Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance Management. Visit us today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dos ocr utility?
Several months ago, I did a quick DJGPP ports of GNU Ocrad and GOCR. Didn't thoroughly test them, but quick tests were successfull http://bocke.na.rs/djgpp/ports/misc/gocr049.zip (240 KiB) http://bocke.na.rs/djgpp/ports/misc/ocrad.zip (380 KiB) COOL ... thanks :-) You'll need CWSDPMI to run any of those. Maybe HDPMI32 could work too ? I'll test. -- Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance Management. Visit us today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Hi the biggest problem was the keyboard that you could mostly fix ;-) Other smaller problems were the PNG's and TFM (mention DOS support using HX). BTW, I tried to play it on my COOL Pentium1 200 MHz PC too. Result: illegal instruction (CMOVNTQ) in SDL.DLL, and older SDL.DLL doesn't work. -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Could you please try this version and tell me if it feels ok now on your PC? YES it's indeed better :-) understand that the 'pngzopfli' must be another optimizer (with better compression, I guess) Indeed. I took the 6 biggest PNG's and reduced them from 101 KiB to 69 KiB : http://users.freebasic-portal.de/dos386/optimized.zip (I hope I didn't cancel any transparency, 2 of them could be optimized even more but I couldn't do it due to strange transparency design ...) For next version there are at least 3 issues: - Keyboard - PNG's - Docs about OS support: My version of Atomix can't be easily compiled to a native DOS binary, but you can use the Win32 binary in DOS with HX DOS Extender http://s8.postimg.org/8oq1qirb9/ATOMSHDS.png -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Hi I don't have this problem... Neither on the linux build, nor on the windows build (tested right now via virtualbox) probably you have 3 GHz CPU Keypresses are queued indeed, and I purposely don't 'eat them away' because it allows to play in advance (esp. useful when moving an atom around, so I can press all directions, and wait until the atom reaches its destination). I don't understand ... but could you eat away all but 2 or all but 1 very last keypress to keep it useful for you and fix the BUG on slow CPU ? My theory is that on your system, it takes more time to draw the moving-box animation than it takes SDL to repeat the keypress.. the only reason I can see why this would happen is because of lack of performance That's what I suspected too noticed any CPU usage spike when playing? I have a constant power CPU fan, impossible to detect CPU usage spike :-( But of course I'll happily accept any patches, should anyone get the motivation to make the game noticeably smaller. Optimizing the PNG's would be pretty trivial (and fast on your CPU) ;-) -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Thanks, I'll test (can you run all your Atomar PNG's through PNGOUT or OPTIPNG+PNGZOPFLI in the meantime?). -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam (was: Re: no sibject)
There is an assortment of web content that _requires_ flash Isn't the Google document viewer among them ? AFAIK It is not. Look stuff up. I did. Last time I checked it pressured me to enable JS, when it got JS, it asked for Flash ... this was the EOD for me. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam (was: Re: no sibject)
Email is the principal vector for _v_i_r_u_s_ delivery, by attachments all reside on Google's servers too, and never reach my machine. Funny ... Google has viewers for all common file types Really? How does it work? How do you see the file on Gooogle's server? Maybe you have the ADOBE FLUSH virus installed and let the author deliver you a new version every day to you holy clean machine? -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam (was: Re: no sibject)
I do have the Adobe Flash player installed, but it's not involved in the transaction. The attachments in question are not SWF objects. But Google maybe translates them into SWF ... does the attach viewer still work when you disable or remove Adobe Flash ? There is an assortment of web content that _requires_ flash Isn't the Google document viewer among them ? AFAIK the good old Google's PDFtoHTML converter is now dead :-( notably sites concerned with art and design not only :-( And while HTML5 offers hope down the road, an awful lot of video is still handled by flash Indeed :-( -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Makehtml v0.0.1
Well, what program do you want written maybe I can help out with it Ideas, if you want to deal with HTML: 1. HTML to text converter (with nice output) ... TOTALCOMMANDER has a such HTML viewer 2. Simple offline HTML viewer, HTML to pixels (BMP or PNG) ... with tables and simple styles 3. Wiki to HTML converter 4. Wiki viewer (Wiki to text or Wiki to pixels) IMHO there is no point to start another browser, if you (later) want to deal with browsers, look at Arachne or Dillo. -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
tinf is a small library implementing the decompression algorithm for the deflate compressed data format (called 'inflate'). Deflate compression is used in e.g. zlib, gzip, zip and png. Source included Kick ZLIB and LIBPNG and use this one ;-) BTW, not sure if you knew, but the original 1.0 release of his port didn't have any sound support. This is a new addition (1.02) I did know ... but aren't there BUG-fixes in 1.02 too ? -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
OpenWatcom probably doesn't use Microsoft VC runtime library well known fact Same as MinGW in recent years evidence please ;-) It does not run on DOS WRONG. It DOES run. See shot: http://s8.postimg.org/8oq1qirb9/ATOMSHDS.png only Linux Windows (and should build on any modern platform where SDL is I deprecate modern platforms :-( This doesn't have much in common with FreeDOS more than you think ? ;-) Today I published Thanks :-) a remake of the old 1990 Atomix game for DOS (that's one of the games I spent entire nights on in my youth Do you have the original? How bloated is it? I used all graphics from the original (with the specific authorization of Atomix copyright holders for usage in my project Interesting ... I'm sorry if you feel this is spamming. It is not (thanks to HX ...) :shock: BUG's / suggestions: * keyboard is buggy ... it buffers too much and the red square notoriously runs beyond target position ... disable buffering or eat away and discard keypresses until buffer is empty before waiting for a new keypress * it's bloated (100 x more than the original ?) ... some ideas to reduce bloat: * * optimize the PNG's (brewn with M$-PAINT???) by factor 2 lossless or even more (reduce black text on white screen from 8bpp to 4 bpp, loss will be invisible) using PNGOUT or ZOPFLI-OPTI-PNG (gives 70 KiB) * * drop the PNG's in favor of raw compressed pixel arrays on a common palette and drop LIBPNG then * * reduce the WAV's from 44.1 KHz and 16 bit to 22.05 KHz and 8 bit (loss will be inaudible) * * use a smaller MOD library * * include some simple Deflate decompress code and drop ZLIB The good news is that it's open source (is the original from 1990 also open source???), the bad news that it's bloated (but that's fixable ... theoretically ... how bloated is the original???). Maybe I'll port it to my OS one day :-) There are reasons why I deprecate modern platforms. -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
Atomiks runs in DOS with HX? YES ... why don't you test? Got no DOS (evil grin) ? * keyboard is buggy ... it buffers too much Does it work better with Atomiks in other OS? NO. Same BUG with XP and HX ... NOT a HX BUG :-) (HX bugs are bunched elsewhere: bttr-software.de/forum/board_entry.php?id=7492) PNG is supposed to compress things already but the existing PNG's inside ATOM are poorly compressed and have junk CHUNK's (even PHYS !!!) a smaller palette should not make a big difference It does. And you could have 1 palette for the complete app, rather than a separate (same or de-facto same) palette in every PNG file. Try GIF? No: I DEPRECATE GIF ;-) WAV sound better at 44 kHz 16 bit than at 22 kHz 8 bit The WAV's are 400 ms ... not hours of HiFi music ... you won't hear the difference (we badly need a double-blind test ...) You could use OGG and decompress to RAM... (evil Not worth for that little amount of sound (you might Deflate them ... if it helps ... or DELTA-filter before Deflate) * * include some simple Deflate decompress code and drop ZLIB How big is zlib? 100 KiB (RTFB) How about tunz? 2.5 KiB but 8086 ASM, not C ;-) I already tested. It already works there but needs MSVCRT (e.g. from ReactOS 0.3.14; not newer 0.3.15, that won't work) In what function does it crash? Does it crash with every executable? -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Makehtml v0.0.1
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Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix
It does not run on DOS only Linux Windows (and should build on any modern platform where SDL is available Can''t you make it HX compatible ? I'll test ... -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Makehtml v0.0.1
Should I make it a dos version too ? DOS versions of useful stuff are always welcome :-) Makehtml is at http://sourceforge.net/projects/makehtml What is it supposed to do ? Registered 5 days ago and source code is just 2 KiB :-) and there is a BUG inside: fprintf(f,a href=%simg src=%s width=180 height=90/abr\n,argv[3]); see test.html ... %s is garbage is there is no argv[3] :-( ... and GPL3 is duplicated -- Try New Relic Now We'll Send You this Cool Shirt New Relic is the only SaaS-based application performance monitoring service that delivers powerful full stack analytics. Optimize and monitor your browser, app, servers with just a few lines of code. Try New Relic and get this awesome Nerd Life shirt! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic_d2d_may ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Any Windows files useful for FreeDOS?
I got an old laptop with Windows 2000 Professional (NT). I will now change the file system to FAT16, and install FreeDOS Cool :-) Would such drivers for Windows be of any use in FreeDOS? MSVCRT.DLL, other MSVC*.DLL, CRTDLL.DLL, GLUE32.DLL ... maybe ReaCTOS will replace them one day? WHINE can't :-( But no drivers. See above. All the DOS apps I use run in a console window under 2K with NTVDM. I am *not* a gamer, and don't run DOS games that use graphics and write to video memory. All of my stuff is character mode Obsessed by NTVDM ... this topic always generates huge discussions :-( -- Try New Relic Now We'll Send You this Cool Shirt New Relic is the only SaaS-based application performance monitoring service that delivers powerful full stack analytics. Optimize and monitor your browser, app, servers with just a few lines of code. Try New Relic and get this awesome Nerd Life shirt! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic_d2d_may ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Active GUI development?
I found that there are almost no desktop GUIs being developed
There used to be and are many GUI's ... just most of them
are abandoned as buggy and IIRC Jim Hall removed them all
from FreeDOS list some time ago.
http://www.freedos.org/software/?cat=gui {{deleted}}
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Links#toc4
A modern web browser perhaps? Trouble is, any version of Firefox
past version 2 roughly isn't going to work in a dos environment
You got Firefox 2 working in FreeDOS ??? Please share your technology
:-) :-) :-) :-)
If you are not the only person who uses your computer, dos is not
going to be a good choice for a primary operating system.
Why ?
If software that requires utilization of multiple processing cores is
needed, dos is definitely not an option.
COOL ...
steer you towards ReactOS, but ReactOS isn't anywhere near
feature complete let alone stable.
ReactOS is NOT a DOS GUI and never will be ;-)
X is nice, but there is also Syllable and Visopsys.
???
become more common, dos development is going to become less popular
COOL ...
I'll be surprised if GUIs that are comparable to Windows 3.11 let
alone Windows 98SE get developed for freedos.
I'm NOT going to develop such ... because Windows 98SE
is NOT and never was a DOS GUI ;-)
Should freedos development focus on attracting developers of
new software applications?
Maybe not, maybe Syllable, Linux, and Visopsys are better platforms for new
software
Maybe there are better mailing lists for your posts ;-)
With regard to Michael's question, I am not intending (immediately) to
install DOS on any of my computers
COOL ...
PS: if anyone else is interested in DOS GUI, then indeed look at Georg's
nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos thing ... this is the only one
under development and there are some spectacular apps already
running (modern browser, modern text editor/office, modern BOCHS
(unreleased, but I trust Georg that his shot is genuine and the experimental
DOS port of BOCHS indeed exists), ...).
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Re: [Freedos-user] defrag abhores windows
a Freedos 32bit defrag program for DOS FreeDOS DEFRAG is NOT a 32-bit program, but it should support FAT28 (at your own risk). DOS (7.0 for 32 bit file system Where did you get it? How is defrag deciding that it is running under Windows (when it really is not)? The detection indeed is crap. Use HDPMI=16384 (if you use HDPMI AND FreeDOS at all). -- Own the Future-Intelreg; Level Up Game Demo Contest 2013 Rise to greatness in Intel's independent game demo contest. Compete for recognition, cash, and the chance to get your game on Steam. $5K grand prize plus 10 genre and skill prizes. Submit your demo by 6/6/13. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel_levelupd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] defrag abhores windows
Actually you will have to disable all DPMI hosts completely, HDPMI=16384 will only switch the whining from Windaube to DPMI :-( -- Own the Future-Intelreg; Level Up Game Demo Contest 2013 Rise to greatness in Intel's independent game demo contest. Compete for recognition, cash, and the chance to get your game on Steam. $5K grand prize plus 10 genre and skill prizes. Submit your demo by 6/6/13. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel_levelupd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] New program - hexed.zip
I updated it so it use malloc(), it should load files that are as big as largest conventional ram avail in DOS now. No more 32K barrier... NOT true. It will happily open a 10 MiB file (thanks God I didn't test it with my insane 21 GiB file :-D ), but show only 64 KiB and behave (version from yesterday) badly: http://jafile.com/uploads/dos386/hexed.png scrolling is broken, editing too ... I am curious why textcolor() isnt working right in dosem Is the green really needed? // biosdisk(int cmd, int drive, int head, int track, int sector, int nsects, void *buffer); This is no longer useful. You need the INT $13 Extensions for LBA. And of course you need a _T_H_I_C_K_ warning before writing back to the disk. Some ideas: http://jafile.com/uploads/dos386/filedit.txt -- Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer Buy your Sophos next-gen firewall before the end March 2013 and get the hardware for free! Learn more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sophos-d2d-feb ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] uHex - a hex editor for DOS released under GPL
uHex is a simple and fast hex viewer for DOS. It has been written with care to work fast even on an 8086 CPU, providing support for large files (up to 2 GiB) while using minimal amounts of memory. COOL :-) It's rather trivial but in my minimal test it worked. As you might know, there are already 1'000'000'000'000 hex viewers and editors around ... so the market is rather saturated, but most of them are rather unusable, so you could beat them all one day :-) Some ideas: http://jafile.com/uploads/dos386/filedit.txt -- Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer Buy your Sophos next-gen firewall before the end March 2013 and get the hardware for free! Learn more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sophos-d2d-feb ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1 install
I usually don't use the installers, try to install manually: - Copy KERNEL.SYS + FREECOM.COM + SYS.COM + WDE.COM - Backup B.S. with WDE - SYS C: /BOOTONLY On 2/9/13, Ray Davison ray...@charter.net wrote: A little background. My first PC ran DOS 3.3 on a 28M HDD that I broke into three partitions, all primaries. Since the extended came out every machine I have had has had a single primary - 2G or less, Fat 16 - with one or more installs of DOS and maybe Win9X. The rest of the drive, and any other drives have been a single extended, which carried whatever GUI OSs I was running as well as apps and data. I just took a fresh HDD, created a 2G, primary at the front, and for the first time ever, that partition is FAT32. I then created several fat32 logicals. I ran the 1.1 CD. When I got to the MBR selection at the end I selected the boot loader. Boot yields non system disk. Ran CD again. Selected make floppy. Nothing was written to the disk. Ran CD again. Selected write FreeDOS to MBR. Boot is OK. Should the boot loader and floppy selections be expected to work? TY Ray -- Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer Buy your Sophos next-gen firewall before the end March 2013 and get the hardware for free! Learn more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sophos-d2d-feb ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer Buy your Sophos next-gen firewall before the end March 2013 and get the hardware for free! Learn more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sophos-d2d-feb ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Handhold for nervous newbie
I had thought to use FreeDOS to do the DOS work or play, then reboot back into Windows for other things. Make space for FreeDOS: http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.PartErase The ultra easiest way to play DOS games is DOSBox (emulator) Saves you from the horor of having DOS unless you really want to play in raw DOS (probably a bad idea on modern hardware, esp. for sound). Excellent idea, until ... My computer runs Windows 7 Professional 64 bit and I certainly don’t want to mess up that. Use DBAN :-) had thought to use FreeDOS to do the DOS work or play, then reboot back into Windows for other things. Multiboot, see above (install FreeDOS today, delete Win8 later). Yes, of course, though rebooting is less convenient than just running VM Yeah ... PS: Obsolete, almost dead: https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/ -- Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer Buy your Sophos next-gen firewall before the end March 2013 and get the hardware for free! Learn more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sophos-d2d-feb ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] editors.
detects,asm,basic,c,c Try INFOPAD from CC386 and FASM IDE :-) -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Club Dr-DOS - the DOS Wiki is up again
Hi News/Blog stuff is back ... but permissions are bugged ... I can't edit it (shows me editing page, but after Submit, it asks for PWD again). Have you heard anything from King Udo recently? His forum is spammed and dead :-( -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Made XP work okay...
Would Microsoft please distribute an activation crack and let people freely use 32 bit Windows XP at will? I prefer dumb programming questions (stack overflow) here ;-) -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98
But the Warcraft II that I`m familiar with did run under plain DOS (well... with DOS4GW). Then the complete ReactOS discussion is pointless. 1. Get WC II working under FreeDOS (troubleshoot DOG4/SW or try DOS32/A) 2. Get the network working Only the included map editor needed Windows (3.1 or higher) to run HX doesn't support Win16 ... ReacOS probably neither. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Windows 98SE and ipxwrapper...
Microsoft should have skipped Windows 9x in favor of bringing everyone into an NT environment sooner. Right ... and even better skip Win16 and MS-DOG too ;-) HX probably won't run Warcraft II You still didn't reveal whether the thing is a DOS or Win16 or Win32 binary :WtF: open source IPX/SPX implementation that works on all versions of Windows up to 8 Maybe true but not really FreeDOS related. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98
I am curious if you can run Warcraft II under Wine I never tested this WC II at all :-| ReactOS used to an effort to clone Windows 95 YO ... FreeWin95 IIRC tried to clone 95, ReactOS always NT (but moving: NT4 - 2K - XP - Wi$ta - 7 - 8 - ???) until that was abandoned in favor of the NT architecture NT sucks less than ME (in some areas). but 95/98 era games are not always compatible with plain old dos 2 options for Win32 stuff: 1. HX 2. ReactOS But there is no solution for Win16 crap. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Windows 98SE screwing up Freedos 1.1...
[Freedos-user] Windows 98SE screwing up Freedos 1.1 Worx for me with METAKERN. Is there a simple way to repair the freedos installation so that Windows and Freedos can happily coexist? YES. Backup Windaube98 BS, fix FreeDOS, backup FreeDOS BS, set up METAKERN with those 2 BS's. Looks like freedos command.com got renamed to command.dos and I've already renamed autoexec.bat to fdauto.bat, but fdconfig.sys seems to be missing. Make sure NOT TO HAVE OR USE command.com autoexec.bat and config.sys for FreeDOS, especially during installing Windaube. Rename them BEFORE. ReactOS would support these old games, but there hasn't been another release for months and I can't even get the latest trunk to build. I din't try ReactOS + METAKERN (use FREELDR instead ???), other ReactorOS stuff belongs into ReactOS forums. Running an unlicensed copy of 98 is not the best idea where there's the issue of 98 having a lot of bugs and being out of support. :-D -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98
I'm not even sure there's a reason to have FreeDOS in the mix. Sure there is, especially if your 98 copy isn't legal. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Need your comments about the FreeDOS site
Another late comment: - When anouncing a bugfix release of something that hasn't been fully announced recently, write 1 or 2 sentences about what it actually is, before discussing the improvements. Example: WCD 5.2.0 Erwin Waterlander has released wcd 5.2.0. The new option '-I' (ignore diacritics) is available for DOS for a limited set of code pages. The 16bit version is now built with OpenWatcom. Support for Borland has been dropped. Most other changes were done for Unicode support, which is not available in the DOS versions. Find it at http://waterlan.home.xs4all.nl/ has absolutely no info about what the thingie is after all ;-) -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] New web site almost ready to go live
Voila: http://jafile.com/uploads/dos386/fdorgara.png With Arachne, I can see the answers ... and ONLY the answers, but not the questions. Eric wrote: ... ... ... Agree :-) -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] New web site almost ready to go live
Hi (sorry for the lack of feedback, I've been dead) Thanks for your work, looks good, no deep test. What I miss is a news archive (now the oldest item is dos2unix 6.0 2012-05-07 10:35, how to see the older stuff ???). Also it links to the Wiki ... maybe the Wiki should have info about how to acquire write access. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] New web site almost ready to go live
There is a link to the news archive. It is at the bottom of the last news item, called 'Read more'. Right :-( Would the link be more obvious if it were called 'News archive' or 'More news'? What link text would make the most sense? Or FreeDOS news list at SF (with archive). happy to modify the Wiki front page with info about how to get write access. how to find the right balance between open avoiding spam entries. Right :-| -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1 released
wish VMware's video feature would use standard codecs so something could be posted to Youtube or Please provide your movies in OGV or WebM files, not Loo-Tube. - It fails to find any HD (see middle shot) In the normal configurations or the dedication one? Both, but in normal configurations it survives the problem and proceeds to COMMANDX ... I don't think it hangs, just takes ages and ages to decompress COMMANDX as it's a big file. For most compatibility, memory managers were disabled. This means kernel and shell are loaded in conventional memory and thus buffer space for UNZIP is tiny, making things take much longer. Imagine an 80386 upgrade CPU model running on a 80286 board at 10 MHz :shock: successfully on a __REAL__ PC ;-) I did and did it successfully COOL :-) -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Mar 27 - Feb 2 Save $400 by Jan. 27 Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1 boot process ends with interrupt devide by zero and system halt
Please try to empty FDCONFIG.SYS and FDAUTO.BAT, and re-add USEFUL things piece after piece ... and supply shot of the crash ... it crashes AFTER the boot has finished is NOT very informative. -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Mar 27 - Feb 2 Save $400 by Jan. 27 Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1 released
[Freedos-kernel] FreeDOS 1.1 released COOL :-) http://jafile.com/uploads/dos386/freeds11.png Problems: - What's the purpose of the menu item Pasquale (see top shot) ? - It fails to find any HD (see middle shot) - Using the menu item install to harddisk, it starts installing but hangs at commandx (see bottom shot) Other: - CWSDPMI, VSM, DOSNTLFN, ... are in - INFOPAD, 7-ZIP, UNTGZ, HX/HDPMI32, MPXPLAY, FASM, CC386, FREEBASIC, ARACHNE, ... are NOT in ... what can you do with it when installed ? -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Mar 27 - Feb 2 Save $400 by Jan. 27 Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1 released
What's the purpose of the menu item Pasquale (see top shot) ? Are you such an idiot or are you just trying to play the troll here? It should be obvious to almost everyone that this is not an active menu item Idiot yourself. It is active. Just try to select it and push ENTER :-D -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Mar 27 - Feb 2 Save $400 by Jan. 27 Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1 released
I can install and update FreeDOS manually (and I've been having it for years), so the problems don't really hurt me, but for potential new users, I'd prefer a well working distro. -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Mar 27 - Feb 2 Save $400 by Jan. 27 Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1 released
Thanks ... It is not a menu item, just a dedication :-( the same respect to Pat can be shown even without the highlighting of that item/line and allowing to select it ;-) What types of HD do you have? IDE, SATA, USB? IDE, and there is a FAT16 partition on. Maybe because there actually is no harddisk in the sense of FAT partition useable by DOS there are some files installed after ... BTW, it says no HD but later it says C: 500 MB free before it starts installing, if I select install to harddisk (other discussion) Some quick feedback: In the last 40 minutes, we've had 15 people download the fd11src.iso release via the web site. would be nice to know how many people actually installed it successfully on a __REAL__ PC ;-) -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Mar 27 - Feb 2 Save $400 by Jan. 27 Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1 released
My criticism addressed the fact that you can select Pat as a menu item, not the respect to Pat ... EOD @Ralf. -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Mar 27 - Feb 2 Save $400 by Jan. 27 Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ew lynx for dos.
I can't find any. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/832/lynx3.png/ http://imageshack.us/f/832/lynx3.png/ Now I can see something (Windaube?). -- 10 Tips for Better Server Consolidation Server virtualization is being driven by many needs. But none more important than the need to reduce IT complexity while improving strategic productivity. Learn More! http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sdnl/114/51507609/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ew lynx for dos.
ew lynx for dos. where ? But will pick a few people who write me privately for this goal. If you are running freedos only, not under a windows structure I do. use ms dos 7.1. Doug has tested it already under Windows 7 did it successfully wipe C: partition ??? almost forgot, here's some screenshots I took: http://imageshack.us/homepage/?user=rugxulo I can't find any. Doug has contacted me about testing the new package before he releases it. This page last updated 2 November 2006. Please let me know when it's out :-) -- 10 Tips for Better Server Consolidation Server virtualization is being driven by many needs. But none more important than the need to reduce IT complexity while improving strategic productivity. Learn More! http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sdnl/114/51507609/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
I wonder if a workaround would be to detect Dillo on the web site Please don't do it like that ... it's just recycling this B.S. technology: if (detectIE5) make IE5 happy else if (detectIE5.5) make IE5.5 happy else if (detectIE6) make IE6 happy else if (detectOpera) make Opera happy else ASS'ume IE7 and make IE7 happy endif endif endif endif So my proposal is: simplification YES, detect Dillo (or Arachne or DOSLynx or whatwever) NO. SSL, FTP and uploads of files are not supported yet. Upload works mostly in Win32 Dillo. Here is a screenshot of freedos.org using dillo for Win32 and View mobile site http://tinypic.com/r/2q18ig0/5 ??? I can't see it :-( Anyway, the freedos.org layout is an issue, but for me the wishlist sorted by importance would be: 0. Hangers 1. Uploads 2. HTTPS / SSL 3. Layout -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo fonts
I'm assuming the screenshot is from Dillo for DOS Right ... shot in DOS with Dillo-DOS, uploaded in Windaube with Dillo-Win32. Dillo is rendering all text in fixed-pitch (monospace) font, and all in the same font size. Shot please. I'm *not* loading DOSLFN since I got the SFN version of Dillo Me too ;-) -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
Thanks :-) It does something ... upload doesn't work (in Win32 version it works with minor trouble) ... HTTPS doesn't work ... posting in FASM forum works (without attachments only) ... FTP is strange ... and there are hangers (temporary and permanent) ... -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
Here is a screenshot of Dillo for DOS running Another one (shot in DOS but uploaded in Windaube): http://board.flatassembler.net/files/d_948.png -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
Just curious, does the rest of the FreeDOS site render correctly on Dillo? The stuff on the left side is far below (bad, not visible on the shot), no further tests. FASM forum (php-BB2) looks good (as long as no big images inside) but produces warns after posting ... php-BB3 looks a bit messy. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] batch programming language
Long messages have appeared from people that want a multitasking DOS How about developing more TSRs for multitasking? ??? A more realistic goal to Freedos may be to expand the batch programming language to be compatible with newer windows versions, but keeping retro compatible with DOS batch programs Indeed more realistic and potentially interesting (I don't need it badly myself ...), just advanced spawning (multitasking) and piping won't work. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Usefulness of DOS (Was: Re: Heads up: DOS ain't dead forum is closing
M.R. wrote: Thing is, DOS doesn't make sense at all in the multicore era as a primary operating system drop it, problem gone ;-) M.B. wrote: DOS enthusiasts can choose to remain on older hardware, live in emulation environments until finding how useless they are ... or roll up their sleeves and try to keep it running on modern hardware. But that last option is kind of difficult to justify when Linux is so capable of causing bloat and is more than fast enough only if you have at least 4 cores per 64-bit and 4 GHz and 16 GiB RAM ;-) -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] desktop2 in freedos
http://www.mevis-research.de/~ritter/awakeideas/desktop.html COOL :) Got it ... it is very nice ... and very buggy :-( We used to link to this in the FreeDOS software list, long ago. As a desktop, Desktop2 was okay. It didn't support any advanced features What is missing ? I removed it (and most other GUIs) When ? I can't remember many GUI's in there (but the GUI installer IIRC got removed cca 2004 or 2005). because too much attention was going into making an awesome GUI for FreeDOS, and no effort into making FreeDOS better. And everyone and their dog was submitting their own DOS GUI I agree that GUI should wait until the kernel is reliable (2040 now is ?) but can't reproduce how tabuizing out the GUI's could be useful. Anyway, the software list has many strange items even in BASE: EXE2BIN, KC, ... -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA Learn about the latest advances in developing for the BlackBerryreg; mobile platform with sessions, labs more. See new tools and technologies. Register for BlackBerryreg; DevCon today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-devcon-copy1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos.org unreachable
Eigenlijk komt zelfs erger. freedos.org is soms onbereikbaar, zelfs met de www, zie geschoten: http://jafile.com/uploads/dos386/fdorgxms.png :-D -- Why Cloud-Based Security and Archiving Make Sense Osterman Research conducted this study that outlines how and why cloud computing security and archiving is rapidly being adopted across the IT space for its ease of implementation, lower cost, and increased reliability. Learn more. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51425301/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Open source project suing a stranger...
Got banned from Reactos forum? :-D I had thought this would be FreeDOS list, not trash list for those banned from ROS ... but I might be wrong :-D -- Why Cloud-Based Security and Archiving Make Sense Osterman Research conducted this study that outlines how and why cloud computing security and archiving is rapidly being adopted across the IT space for its ease of implementation, lower cost, and increased reliability. Learn more. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51425301/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] {Spam?} [OT] Problems in the ReactOS community...
Is there a way I can complain about the reactos.org site and get them sanctioned? Tell Mr. Bush that ReactOS cooperates with AL-Qaeda :-D In the land of FreeDOS we have the following problems: +1: - People refusing to boot DOS (and leave Windaube) + too much virtualization crap -- Why Cloud-Based Security and Archiving Make Sense Osterman Research conducted this study that outlines how and why cloud computing security and archiving is rapidly being adopted across the IT space for its ease of implementation, lower cost, and increased reliability. Learn more. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51425301/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos.org unreachable
All other pages worked that day :-D -- Why Cloud-Based Security and Archiving Make Sense Osterman Research conducted this study that outlines how and why cloud computing security and archiving is rapidly being adopted across the IT space for its ease of implementation, lower cost, and increased reliability. Learn more. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51425301/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] desktop2 in freedos
is there anyone who did develop the desktop2 program (by F. Ritter?) I didn't :-( Please post shot, license, download link or something useful ;-) The most stable GUI depends on what you need. If you are wanting to run Windows applications, 16 bit ones that is, you are somewhat out of luck No Win16 emulation in HX ... fortunately there exist barely any useful apps for this hack ... so if you see any just port them ;-) PS: Win16 DOS-GUI PPS: Win16 != DOS-GUI (for C geeks) Alternative OS'es to Freedos: menuetOS XXX-64 only :-( Syllable Visopsys ... ReactOS (WARNING: development is slow. Talking about that prohibited) It's just off-topic here ;-) Linux (various flavors) CRAP (needs at least 4 cores per 4 GHz and 8 GiB RAM just to boot up in less than 1 hour) Windows 7 (yuck, Microsoft monopoly) See Linux, + proprietary -- Special Offer -- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! And you'll get a free Love Thy Logs t-shirt when you download Logger. Secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsisghtdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Will Freedos support more modern hardware?
Japheth wrote: So faithfully expect point 1. to be realized somewhere in the second half of this decade! I do (BTW, I have 2 CPU cores ... located in 2 PC's located cca 20 Km from each other ... total frequency is 800 MHz). Are yu going to complain about this? Sure. But not today. Expect mail on this subject somewhere in the second half of this century! Eric wrote: Works for me and it is just VERY cool to have a factor 2, 3, 4 or 6 speed gain on a CPU with that number of cores... Better idea: reduce bloat by factor 2, 3, 4 or 6 ... and the best: 1 CORE is enough :-) Mencoder can recompress videos So can I. In DOS and without Mencoder or any unnecessary bloat :-) The next problem is that FAT filesystems suck when you try to create 2 to 6 JPEG thumbs at the same time while not yet knowing how big each of them will be. Right. Same for NTSC (tested). Not to mention the big cluster size and the inefficient disk I/O etc. None of that was ever made for multi tasking. Right :-( How to fix those ? Will they be fixed in FreeDOS 2.0 ? I take the freedom to disagree with you here and use DOS and Linux separately I take the freedom to agree with you here ... keep them separate, no need for DOG-EMU. -- Special Offer -- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! And you'll get a free Love Thy Logs t-shirt when you download Logger. Secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsisghtdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos.org unreachable
Same for bttr-software.de :-D -- Special Offer -- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! And you'll get a free Love Thy Logs t-shirt when you download Logger. Secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsisghtdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Will Freedos support more modern hardware?
I would imagine that Freedos in 16 bit mode can't use multiple cores It can't actively take benefit from them, but it still runs, FYI :shock: One of the problems with DOS that I recall is a total lack of hardware protection Right. Unfortunately, accessing hardware directly instead of through a __well__ __defined__ __interface__ makes supporting that software a nightmare. Right. Do you know an OS with such a __well__ __defined__ __interface__ ??? I'm thinking the goal for protected mode Freedos that is 32 or 64 bit should be providing a hypervisor to run multiple instances of 16 bit Freedos or even Linux instances. I'm sufficiently happy with ONE FreeDOS-16 instance and ZERO Loonix instances. ReactOS is possibly a decade out from being stable. Please bug on ReactOS forum about this. I think there were some ideas about DOS extenders for using multi core multithreading within DOS apps HX 2.15 + 7-ZIP ... never came out. pbzip2 compresses multiple parts of a file in parallel, so you can compress one large file much faster by using many cores 1. Compression degrades 2. How do you glue the out fragments then ??? 3. Needs =16 GiB RAM for file cache (and input should be 8 GiB) Why would I take the effort to port mencoder It's useless ;-) Yes I can imagine making 1000 thumbnails in DOS or compressing a CD-ROM ISO with pbzip2 in DOS in theory. Why theory only ? But then I also know that FAT32 cannot even handle DVD or BluRay ISO file sizes and my 1000 pics would not get from SD card to the DOS PC at decent speed anyway, single core thumbnailing still faster than USB... Voila: 1. Bring out FreeDOS 1.1 2. Fix 4 GiB file size limit and improve USB 999'999'999'999. Add support for 1 CPU cores But maybe others have more ideas why to DOS on 4 GHz 12-cores. Video (but not MENCODER) ? IIRC such discussions (64-bit - 1'000'000'000 cores - GUI OS - multitaxing - ...) come again and again ... so what :-D -- Get a FREE DOWNLOAD! and learn more about uberSVN rich system, user administration capabilities and model configuration. Take the hassle out of deploying and managing Subversion and the tools developers use with it. http://p.sf.net/sfu/wandisco-d2d-2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Will Freedos support more modern hardware?
Interesting, how far did they get? public plans ... What stopped the plans? Only Japheth knows ... No. BZIP2 has a maximum block size of 900k anyway and Deflate and LZMA have no block limit ;-) 2. How do you glue the out fragments then ??? See above. Not really. You don't know the compressed size in advance. Where do you write compressed block 1 when size of block 0 is unknown ??? It works fine in Linux already What useful and unique work can it do ??? and you can dual-boot :-p FreeDOS + EDR-DOS :-p Because in practice downloading 1000 pics from your cam in DOS will be slower than making 1000 thumbs in 1 core. Right ... there is space for improvements of DOS USB drivers. You mean video processing? YES First add NCQ support, RAID support Why ? a filesystem like ext2 or even much better, a write-combining cache, accelerated graphics, surround digital audio... And then you have Linux again anyway Nothing of those is needed (fixing 4 GiB problem appreciated, though) -- Get a FREE DOWNLOAD! and learn more about uberSVN rich system, user administration capabilities and model configuration. Take the hassle out of deploying and managing Subversion and the tools developers use with it. http://p.sf.net/sfu/wandisco-d2d-2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Will Freedos support more modern hardware?
forgot to mention: FAT performance will suck if you try to create 6 thumb files in parallel with your 6 core CPU Known issue. Is Linux able to share the file I/O ? Windaube XP definitely can't (2 tasks on 1 core). -- Get a FREE DOWNLOAD! and learn more about uberSVN rich system, user administration capabilities and model configuration. Take the hassle out of deploying and managing Subversion and the tools developers use with it. http://p.sf.net/sfu/wandisco-d2d-2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos backups in the 21st century?
Given the size of hard rives, using trusty pkip to create a set of backup discs is well not possible. No need to backup disk image ;-) how you do large backup work yourself now? say 3 gig or so? Copy gig files or archive and compress then. Personally, I'd probably just burn the files to DVD-RW from within a modern OS, esp. if you only need to backup 3 GB. FYI, there are adapters to make an internal IDE HD somewhat exchangable. So, add the backup HD, copy bloat, remove the backup HD. I forget, what are the limits for the .ZIP format, 65000 files? And 4 GiB for any size. -- Get a FREE DOWNLOAD! and learn more about uberSVN rich system, user administration capabilities and model configuration. Take the hassle out of deploying and managing Subversion and the tools developers use with it. http://p.sf.net/sfu/wandisco-d2d-2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Jim wrote: I like this one: 2011-08-02 18:09:06 just make it the default ;-) cm wrote: Except if a 12-hour time format is desired no point ;-) -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Why not 18'446'744'073'709'551'615 ??? Comma and dot are usually used to separate fractional part: PI = 3.14159265358979 That's a nice idea, though at first glance a bit odd looking. Any systems using this upper [`] or ['] ? FASM :-) Using it in all my sources :-) The ASCII code is 39. The source code (NOT FASM) is here: http://freebasic.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12600 (to be included in my MD5 calculator, ooops links are dead, have to reupload it) How's DIR gonna sort by date when AUG goes before JUL Don't spell the month out if there is a risk of sort, see older post: 2011-08-02 18:09:06 or 2011-08(Aug)-02 (Tue) 18:09:06 (sorts well) or 2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06 (doesn't sort well) so default should be NOT spelled out. -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How to install multiple instances..?
Lots of software (especially driver installers) still depends on CONFIG.SYS existing Bad hehaviour. Probably for same reason NTVDM always brews empty MSDOS.SYS and IO.SYS files whenever launched. Apparently there is at least one app checking for existence of those 2 files to make sure it is being run on genuine M$-DOG and nowhere else :-D I'm not sure how easy it's to configure Eric's METABOOT.BOT bootsector file to look for a specific kernel name SYS.C wrote: /K name : name of kernel to use in boot sector instead of %s\n -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How to install multiple instances..?
COOL : %ifdef OLDSTYLE fdreplace db FDKERN fdreplacecnt db ELSYS %else fdreplace db KERNEL fdreplacecnt db SYS %endif NOT COOL : ; must match order of search strings: searchlist dw fdtype, mstype, ibmtype, wintype, othertype No ^^^ EDR-DOS :-( http://ericauer.cosmodata.virtuaserver.com.br/soft/specials/metakern.zip ??? http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=metakern (Dead varna and saar links) http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/boot/metakern/ http://www.auersoft.eu/soft/specials/ -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
* number: nnn.nnn.nnn,xyz (european) Why not 18'446'744'073'709'551'615 ??? Comma and dot are usually used to separate fractional part: PI = 3.14159265358979 * separater: ehm no idea. Of who or what ? * keyboard: QWERTY with EURO (858 thus), still not managed to get a euro-sign in DOS but likely depends on having KEYB loaded, which crashes What's the ASCII code of EURO ??? BTW, EURO is obsolete and crashing too :-D I think it's less ambiguous to just spell out the month Acceptable idea. and use AM/PM time, e.g.: Horrible :-( Tue 02 Aug 2011, 06:08pm what's the benefit ? Please supply at least ONE argument ;-) And (POSIX?) Linux date seems to be similarly unambiguous: Tue Aug 2 18:09:06 CDT 2011 Horrible :-( (please supply code to sort such dates !!!) What's wrong with: 2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06 ??? -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How to install multiple instances..?
Could someone tell me if it's possible to have multiple instances of (Free)DOS installed to the same partition? YES. Unfortunately, the kernel looks for FDCONFIG.SYS and CONFIG.SYS only (I'd kick the latter, BTW), so all FreeDOS kernels will share this one file, except you patch the kernel. You can boot multiple kernels using METAKERN. It works great, but needs some manual setup. You can drop FreeDOS, EDRDOS and ME on same partition, but you MUST use FDCONFIG.SYS , DCONFIG.SYS , FDAUTO.BAT and DRAUTO.BAT. There is absolutely no need to dig out old dead 1.0 distro utils from their graves ;-) To test multiple kernels, the easiest solution is to rename them all (KERNEL36.SYS KERNEL38.SYS KERNEL40.SYS) and then COPY KERNEL38.SYS KERNEL.SYS boom (CTL-ALT-DEL) (test 2038) COPY KERNEL40.SYS KERNEL.SYS boom (CTL-ALT-DEL) (test 2040) Would this be a good time (doubtful) to suggest XCHG as a mnemonic for swapping filenames? + 1 or SWAP ;-) I need this frequently too. -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] IMPORTANT Off Topic -- U.S. Medical Costs!!
Over $49,000 which did not include separate bills by all doctors involved!! I asked that hospital's people why they charge so much. Because we CAN charge so much!! :kalashnikov: -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06 That one doesn't sort very well either (puts April next to August) Indeed :-( so 2011-08-02 18:09:06 or 2011-08(Aug)-02 (Tue) 18:09:06 -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
... or all the other date formattings No point of existence ;-) German dd.mm. hh:mm 1.000,00 for COUNTRY than BIOS default US QWERTY) are totally different I prefer to keep things simple (QWERTY, @ and \ discoverable) and convenient (-MM-DD HH:MM:SS) - no need for messing up eveything. Anyone has a clue how many permutations of timestamps or keyboard exist at all ? In any case, I don't need more than ONE ;-) -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
intentionally, as far as I remember for mimicking MS style EDR-DOS doesn't have this bug ;-) If MS COMMAND.COM for DOS didn't have a setting for 4-digit year Another one: all dates should be -MM-DD and times without the silly a and p -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Got Input? Slashdot Needs You. Take our quick survey online. Come on, we don't ask for help often. Plus, you'll get a chance to win $100 to spend on ThinkGeek. http://p.sf.net/sfu/slashdot-survey ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
