Re: Imac and eMac
Hi I thought this was a G3, G4, G5 list. Are you saying that as a eMac G4 owner I should move to another list? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Nov 11 2008, Kyle Hansen wrote: I've kind of been gently letting all these posts go, but it's getting a bit ridiculous. The G-List has been overwhelmed with iMac and eMac postings. Posts regarding iMac and eMac machines should be voiced here: http://www.lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml We *do* have a once removed rule where a nanny will allow a post once in a great while that is one series away from the list it is posted on, but this does not allow for continual conversation. Thanks. Kyle Hansen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
See You Later...
Hi Well after being told this is a PowerMac list, I have joined the iMac list for my eMacs. See you later, it has been good while I was here. Simon --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?
Hi I love both Tiger and Leopard, but wouldn't recommend Leopard on anything lower than a 1Ghz with 1GB of RAM. Yes it will run ok on lower but for good performance go with the above minimum. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Nov 10 2008, James E. Therrault wrote: My 2¢ worth... Stick with Tiger. I'm sure that Leopard can be made to work but it will be SLOW.. Regards, JT Samantha Goodson wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:50 AM, Doug Burton wrote: I have the same machine and mine is staying with 10.4.11. For one thing, I've heard that Leopard was optimized for Intel machines and I did try to run it on my upgraded DA with a 1.6 Ghz CPU. I didn't like it, ran slow and choppy. But couldn't that have been an artifact of the original DA architecture or the amount of ram you had installed? I have a dual 533MHz DA, and when I first began contemplating moving to Leopard I thought about just upgrading it, but Leopard wants a minimum 867MHz processor to install. There are all sorts of ways around this, but I decided not to tempt fate. I have a dual 867MHZ MDD like Bill's on the way and a retail leopard disk. The MDD has 768MB of RAM in it, but I'm planning on getting it up to the 2GB maximum and possibly upgrading the video card. When I have it all set up, I'll let y'all know how it goes. Peace, Love, and Joy, SaJe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hot iMac
Dan You know you have cats when one of the fluffy monsters chews through the earphone cable to your iPod whilst you are listening to it. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Nov 10 2008, Dan wrote: At 5:23 PM -0500 11/10/2008, Steve R wrote: My neighbour's iMac is very quiet and barely warm, running the same applications with a similar load that makes my G5 run load and very hot. We don't live in a particularly dirty or hairy apartments, hey! My cat Jazzie objecteth to that. You know you have cats when you have to remove all your keycaps once a year, so you can lift off the woven grid of fur that it has accumulated therein. *shudder* - Dan. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hot iMac
Hi I have 8 cats at the moment and if I leave my laptop sitting open, one of them will be sitting on the keyboard area when I get back. Then it is a case of removing them without them digging their claws in and ripping a few keys off in the process. I even have a white cat called Widget (I got here when Tiger first came out). Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Nov 10 2008, Dan wrote: At 10:49 PM + 11/10/2008, Simon Royal wrote: You know you have cats when one of the fluffy monsters chews through the earphone cable to your iPod whilst you are listening to it. Frieda just turned two. She licks and chews on everything! Her fav, currently, is the air tubing on a medical gizmo. Replaced it twice so far. Last month, she was into firewire cables! Can't seem to deter her. She's starting to work on pulling at drawers, to open them. Her fav spot in my room is sitting on my Smurf. If that's not available, then she camps out on an old monitor. Had an x86 iMac here. She was very unhappy with that. No flat spot to pirch on! - Dan. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
DDR 3200 In eMac 1.25Ghz
Hi Am I right in thinking DDR 3200 RAM will work in a machine that takes DDR 2700 as long as both are 184 pin sticks. I've been offered some 1GB sticks of DDR 3200. I know my eMac takes 2x1GB sticks. Is it just like PC133 and PC100 that it will just run at the slower speed? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DDR 3200 In eMac 1.25Ghz
Peter You forgot PC1066 which is DDR3. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Nov 10 2008, PeterH wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Am I right in thinking DDR 3200 RAM will work in a machine that takes DDR 2700 as long as both are 184 pin sticks. I've been offered some 1GB sticks of DDR 3200. I know my eMac takes 2x1GB sticks. PC-2700 is getting hard to find. PC-3200 is the most logical replacement. In my former (since sold) Mac Mini G4, 1 GB PC-2700 was unavailable, so I substituted PC-3200. Is it just like PC133 and PC100 that it will just run at the slower speed? Yes, precisely so. You cannot swap DDR2 for DDR. PC-2700 and PC-3200 are both DDR (AKA, DDR1) PC-5300 (AKA, PC2-5300) and PC-6400 (AKA, PC2-6400) are both DDR2. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW G3 - Strange display problems running 10.4
Iain. I have been trying to get hold of you for ages. Email me your address off list, I still owe you for the Lombard power adapter. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: BW G3 - Strange display problems running 10.4 From: Iain Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 09/11/2008 11:01 I can't help with much about this but all I can say is I doubt it's down to the video card I had an ATI Rage 128 Pro running 10.4 for years and it worked well, but obviously it's an outdated card. I've even got one running XP now and it plays plenty of games perfectly happily The one piece of advice I CAN give is to upgrade the card (even if not related to this) get Quartz Extreme running :) best regards Iain Thornton --- On Sun, 9/11/08, joplinfan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: joplinfan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BW G3 - Strange display problems running 10.4 To: G3-5 List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 4:37 AM Hi all, I have a BW G3 running 10.4 fairly well... but now and then it will exhibit strange video problems such as missing icons in the Applications and Utilities folders, reloading the desktop two or three times during startup, and no response when clicking Shutdown and Restart via the menu. Usually if I use Force Quit and restart Finder, the icons will appear and things will work fine for awhile, but will eventually disappear again. I've tried all of the simple things including a new PRAM battery, reinstall the OS, rewrite the HD with zeros before reinstall, etc... but no success. I'm kind of thinking it could be the ATI Rage 128 video card or the HD, but not positive. Any ideas? Thanks. Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leopard On eMac
Hi. What eMac do you have. I thought all DDR eMacs maxxed out at 2x1GB sticks. You said you had 2GB and then added another 2GB, but I didnt think any G4 could take 4GB RAM. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: Leopard On eMac From: Mullin9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/11/2008 00:24 On Nov 9, 3:44 pm, Simon Royal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I have been running Leopard on my eMac G4 1.25Ghz with 1GB of RAM for a few days now. I must say I am very impressed with the performance. I think it actually runs better than my Intel iMac 1.83Ghz Core Duo did. I didn't see good performance on it until I upped the iMac to 2GB RAM. So for anyone thinking of running Leopard on a G4, I would say go for it. I did have it on the eMac with 512MB RAM and it chugged a little, but the 1GB made a lot of difference. This eMac maxxes at 2GB and now I am seriously thinking of upping it (at some point). It seems the older the Mac the more benefit of whacking loads of RAM in it is. Go for it, 2 GB of RAM would do it, I also have an eMac with Leopord on it, When I put a 2GB RAM Stick in it, it's very responsive, but with the 2nd 2GB RAM Sticks, it screams. Simon ---http://www.simonroyal.co.uk- Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... -http://www.nmug.org.uk- webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Leopard On eMac
Hi I have been running Leopard on my eMac G4 1.25Ghz with 1GB of RAM for a few days now. I must say I am very impressed with the performance. I think it actually runs better than my Intel iMac 1.83Ghz Core Duo did. I didn't see good performance on it until I upped the iMac to 2GB RAM. So for anyone thinking of running Leopard on a G4, I would say go for it. I did have it on the eMac with 512MB RAM and it chugged a little, but the 1GB made a lot of difference. This eMac maxxes at 2GB and now I am seriously thinking of upping it (at some point). It seems the older the Mac the more benefit of whacking loads of RAM in it is. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
eMac Ventilation
Hi. I bought two eMacs for my boys. They have cabin beds with desk underneath. The desk space is aimed at holding a monitor. The eMac just fits it. Actually I had to take the two little feet off the front to get them in, leaving only a few mill at the top. The desk is like an enclosed hole with pull out draw. There is plenty of space around the sides of the eMac and back, just the top of the screen is a tight fit. Do you think there is enough space for ventilation? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
eMac Geekbench Query
Hi. I used Geekbench to benchmark my eMac yesterday. It is a 1.25Ghz with 512MB RAM running Leopard. Geekbench results were 703. I added another 512MB taking it to 1GB. After running Geekbench again it came up with 695. What gives? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Screen Burn In
Hi My new eMac is working lovely, but I have noticed a dark square in the middle of the screen. All three machines took a while for the screens to work properly. The two 800's were very fuzzy and slightly green tinted for about 5 minutes and then it wore off and has been fine all day. The 1.25 was fuzzy and green too which has cleared up but it also looks like the Mac OSX start up screen (with the box in it that loads) has burnt into the screen slightly. It has gotten less as the day goes on but is still quite noticeable, leaving a dark shading in the centre. Will this disappear eventually? Can I do anything to help it? I picked up a bunch of iMac G3s a while ago which hadn't been turned on for a while and the screens needed 'warming up' and then they were fine, so I think these eMacs haven't been used for a while. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
DLink G122 Keeps Disappearing
Hi I have a DLink DWL G122 USB wireless dongle on my eMac G4 1.25Ghz running Leopard, however every so often at random intervals (usually no more than 15 minutes apart) it will suddenly appear as if the device has been removed. System Preferences says not connected. If I pull it out and put it back in it works again. Any ideas? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DLink G122 Keeps Disappearing
John That's not negative, that's helpful. Maybe I should have mentioned that it has lost it's out plastic casing. It is just bare board. I don't have a Windows box (I won't allow one in my house), but I do have another Mac Icould try it on. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Nov 4 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mean to sound negative, but mine started doing the exact same thing. If you have a Windows box, try it with the windows driver and see if it does the same thing. When mine did that, Dlink ended up declaring that a fatal electrical short had occurred, causing the device to short out when it heated up. So, if you have a Windows box, try it and see if you get the same result. John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
iMac G3 Bracket WaveLAN Card... On eBay
Hi I know this is a bit of shameless plugging but I have just listed my iMac G3 Airport bracket and WaveLAN wireless Airport card on eBay. As these are increasingly hard to find I thought I would share it on here in case anyone needed one. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170276741795 Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: No More iMacs
Hi. No it was a Snow DV. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: No More iMacs From: Cy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 30/10/2008 01:25 On Oct 29, 2008, at 8:54 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Well, it is a sad day in my house. A local group member is collecting my G3 iMac for a friend. I think this will be the last G3 iMac in my house after owning lots of them. Gee, I hope it wasn't an Indigo. Then I would really feel blue. cy on a 450 DV+ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
No More iMacs
Well, it is a sad day in my house. A local group member is collecting my G3 iMac for a friend. I think this will be the last G3 iMac in my house after owning lots of them. Fantastic, superb, reliable and still capable machines. I still have my PowerBook G3. Long live the G3. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Adding New HD
Wilton If you want a bootable copy of your existing hard drive use SuperDuper. If you want a basic install of OSX then use a DVD to install it and put the apps on you want. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Adding New HD From: Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 27/10/2008 00:09 Hello , I am about to add a new external HD to my eMac, which is using OS 10.5.5. I want to use it as a backup drive. Should I use CCC to copy everything from my internal HD, or should I install OS 10.5 with the CD and add each program that I want. Thanks Wilton Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Family Of eMacs
Kris. I use Macs past the point of everyone else, saving them from being landfilled. If everyone did then the whole Mac production would slow down, which is already slower than PC turnover as they have a longer shelf life than PCs. Kris there are lots of 'environmental' savings for lots of things. I should technically change my heating system at home for a more modern one because it is more environmentally efficient, but money is always the bottom line. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: Family Of eMacs From: Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 25/10/2008 01:52 On Oct 24, 2008, at 5:55 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Ummm, why would you want to scrap out perfectly good usable monitors just so you could spend money on an LCD? Sometimes spending money actually saves money. In the case of LCD monitors, the payback period in electricity saving is enough to pay for the monitor. While Bruce may have pointed out that health concerns over EMF are not statistically proven, the converse is also true, they are not statistically disproved. It is a fact that most forms of electromagnetic radiation DO have biological effect, and large, statistically valid samples have shown that cancers such as skin cancer ARE correlated DIRECTLY to exposure levels. We know the inverse square law applies, and that people tend to sit very close to their monitors. The EU computer safety whitepaper has studied this subject recommended a safe viewing distance of 86cm, which is substantially further away than most CRT users sit. I've inherited an old 1970's Ford LTD with a big 500 ci engine that gets about 6 mpg. It too is perfectly good usable, but it wastes money in gas, pollutes the air, and carries enough momentum to kill people driving more fuel efficient vehicles if there were an accident. I can't justify ever using this vehicle again, and I don't feel comfortable selling it, so it's headed to the recycler even though it's perfectly good. Your free, disposed of, CRTs are not an example of a efficient use of recycling. Rather it shows the laziness of the average citizen, placing a CRT in a dumpster rather than recycling it. And you, to cheap to do yourself a favor, there are new LCDs for less than $100, buy one, IT PAYS FOR ITSELF! Society as a whole is better served with your CRTs in the landfill than with them in use. They're digging coal in Wyoming and shipping it on a smokey diesel train to Missouri and burning it releasing tons of CO2 into the atmosphere so that you can waste energy with an antiquated CRT monitor that possibly harms your health in other ways. There was a reason the monitor was in the trash, and it has nothing to do with whether or not it's perfectly good usable. It's always about money. They're saving money by throwing the CRT away. You're wasting money by using it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Family Of eMacs
Bruce If we listened to every scare tactic we would never do anything. There are wifi scares, computer scares, mobile scares. You have more chance of getting hit by a bus or mugged in the street. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: Family Of eMacs From: Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 24/10/2008 18:20 On Oct 24, 2008, at 5:19 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On the health side, studies have shown that for children, the risk of childhood cancers is as high as 2 for users of CRT monitor. This means your child may double their chances of cancer from prolonged use of CRT monitors. (2) I'm sorry but the article you cite makes no such claim. It says, specifically: Epidemiologists have suggested that the risk factors for some childhood cancers (particularly leukemia) are as high as two for some populations exposed to low frequency EMI. Note some populations and exposed to low-frequency EMI not CRT's. THEN ONE LINE LATER it says: In general, a risk factor of less than six is not considered significant (cigarette smoking has a risk factor of 10-20). Sadly, like may other fields (law, engineering,etc) to paraphrase Inigo Montoya: those words, I do not think they mean what YOU think they mean Having worked in the carcinogenesis field, I can state that a risk factor of two derived from some study is not significantly greater than chance, unless it's a really really REALLY big study, controlled for a huge number of variables, and absent a police state keeping accurate and detailed health and lifestyle records of everyone, there just isn't the data available for that kind of study. This means that you can draw NO CONCLUSIONS from the study, because it is equally probable that pure coincidence would give you the same results. Sadly, these terms get tossed into articles directed at laypeople without a clear understanding or explanation of what the words mean within the field they're being used in. Also the numbers on childhood cancer are very very low, so presuming the observed risk is real, even doubling the risk still means they have a very very low risk of the actual adverse outcome. Seriously, the risks of letting your children near a street are far higher than the elevated risk from looking at CRTs. Finally, while there have been widely touted studies linking living under power lines and cancer in young children, there is a glaring flaw in most of these studies: almost invariably this housing is relatively new, and almost invariably, significantly lower socioeconomic class, a whole host of other risk factors involved. When these studies are properly controlled against this, the EMI effect vanishes. This isn't 'massaging the numbers' or 'lying with statistics' it's plain old ordinary science. Anecdotes != Data. This is akin to the 'brain cancer epidemic' we've been saddled with since we got the MRI which could find brain tumors too small to be found in the past. If there IS an EMI effect, it is below the background noise of all other carcinogens in the environment. And no I'm not a paid shill of the power industry, but if EMI caused cancer, we'd see a massive epidemic among factory workers, janitors and barbers...power tools, vacuum cleaners and barber's shears have vastly stronger EM fields than CRT's...that's why your TV goes crazy when the vacuum cleaner comes near. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
eMac Leopard
Hi Is anyone running Leopard on an eMac? I had a 1Ghz eMac when they first come out (my first brand new Mac) and it was fantastic, a great little work horse. I am looking at getting another one, preferably a 1Ghz and above as this supports Leopard officially and I know the 1.25Ghz has USb 2 which would help. I just wondered how Leopard held up on these lovely machines. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: eMac Leopard
Kris I disagree completely. The eMac is a good, solid, reliable Mac. A bit heavy but solid. I put mine through some hard work and it coped fine. I think CRT still have excellent screen viewing. The iMac G3 has one of the crispest screens ever. The eMac is just as sharp, but better as it don't suffer from the bulging effect or titled back angle. I have a TFT monitor and a PowerBook G3 and the iMac G3 screen blows both of them away. The TFT is rubbish, while the PB is pretty good. However, the screen on my Intel iMac was very easy on the eyes and didn't suffer from that bright shiney effect you get on CRTs. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: eMac Leopard From: Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 23/10/2008 11:05 On Oct 23, 2008, at 3:23 AM, Simon Royal wrote: I just wondered how Leopard held up on these lovely machines. I disagree with the description lovely machines. In Jan. 2002 when Steve Jobs announced the CRT is dead, I said hurray! I'd struggled with eyestrain and headaches for years. I now blame CRT monitors for all the pain and also accelerating my need for reading glasses. When I bought my first LCD, I did so specifically because a tech friend had told me about how LCD displays would virtually eliminate the eyestrain and headaches. He knew specific technical reasons for this phenomenon, something about the flicker and dithering of lines in CRTs, and how LCDs had a longer persistence with little degradation which eliminated flicker and dither. He told me the problem had been studied, and that on a CRT your eye never focuses correctly, but rather constantly adjusts back forth. The eyestrain, bloodshot eyes, and headaches are all related to the overuse of the focus muscles in the eyes. I bought my first LCD just before the Apple announcement that the CRT was dead. I was amazed at how quickly all my problems with eyestrain and headaches disappeared. It was excellent advice to ditch my CRTs and buy an LCD, and I later thanked my friend for his sage advice. So when Apple announced the introduction of the eMac 4 months AFTER the death of the CRT I was shocked and quite frankly outraged at the hypocrisy of selling a CRT Mac for use by children. It appeared there were, and still are, many health reasons that CRTs shouldn't be used by anyone, and especially children. In the years after this whenever anyone has asked my opinion of the eMac (or older CRT AIO and iMacs) I've always told them to avoid these models completely, and get any other Mac that can use an LCD monitor. The only why I could ever see using an eMac would be disassembling it into a generic PC case and using it with an LCD. A typical CRT uses more than double the wattage of an equivalent LCD, so the LCD literally pays for itself in energy cost saving alone. A 1.25 GHz eMac may run Leopard perfectly well, but in my mind it's a health hazard that never should have been built in the first place. Steve Jobs himself said the CRT is dead. It is. Forget about eMacs. Recycle them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Migrating From One Mac To Another
Hi. I am new to the migrating idea. Recently I migrated from 10.5 from 10.4 with both being on seperate drives. Now I have yet another new Mac coming and I want to install 10.5 on it and migrate my user account, files and settings from 10.4 on my iMac G3. Firstly, how do I hook the two Macs up? Firewire or over network? Secondly, when I migrated last time I did it after installation was complete and then had to delete the user created when installing. This time I want to use the migration assistant when installing so I dont end up with two and at the end of the installing Leopard all my stuff is there as before. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Java vs Mozilla
Hi Just to add my tongue into this. I have Firefox 3.0.3 (updated last night) and running 10.4.11 and Java is running fine - haven't noticed any Java problem with any release of Firefox 3. I have tried all 5 betas prior to official release too and not a Java problem in these. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 23 2008, Dan wrote: At 3:34 PM -0400 10/23/2008, John Musbach wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, it does not pass the does that make sense test. Firefox 3 has gone through *three* releases and umpteen alphas and betas, not to mention the nightly builds etc. Surely, if there were a TOTAL java failure such as you describe, someone would have noticed! Perhaps you should consider reading before flaming My post stands as-is. You reported that Java in Firefox is totally broken, without details. You didn't post in a forum asking for assistance -- you posted a definitive claim with no details in a BUG TRAC. There is a BIG difference between asking for support and filing a detailess definitive bug report. other people are experiencing this issue Are they? I see they have issues. But without details *from you*, I have no way of telling if they're having the SAME issue as you. http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20041208225636798 You're on a MacBook, running Leopard. How is that related to Panther? Moot (below). http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?locale=en-UScomments_parentId=76259forumId=1 Ok. Some people there are having some difficulties, but none there post details. Not much of a help. It's not that no one else has this problem, it just seems like Mozilla would rather sweep the issue under the carpet instead of fixing the issue which I find very disappointing. How exactly are they sweeping it under the rug? Now I don't intend this to be a flame war nor do I want it to be, so if you intend to followup with another flame then please don't say anything Dan. We don't need this list cluttered up with senseless flames. Neither do I. And I don't mean to pick on you... I'm trying to get you to dig in and provide properly thought out details so that someone here can help you come up with a solution, or at least nail things down enough to provide a properly detailed bug report. Properly detailed is the key - it is what will get a developer's attention. Overcoming the worksforme flag is NOT easy. So... again: IF you're not seeing that, then I would suggest you dig deeper in your own Mac. Do you have an overzealous (ad) blocker running? A corrupted cache? Try a different/new user account. Try the beta. etc Also... Have you changed any of the Java Preference settings? Have you done anything else that would interfere with Firefox using Java on your Mac? Remember... things DO work right for others. So there MUST be some difference on YOUR setup. It's that difference we need to nail. FWIW, - Dan. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Apple Psystar Come To A Settlement!
Hi I thought this was a bit odd. Apple and Psystar come to a settlement. It seems Apple aren't going to bury the clone makers like everyone thought, more of a slap on the wrist and stop building your clones. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/19/1511231from=rss What gives. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Apple Psystar Come To A Settlement!
Hi And it is not as if the high price tag means superior build quality. Not wanting to talk ill of Apple but for such a price they shouldn't have so many mistakes (hardware wise). Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 22 2008, PeterH wrote: On Oct 22, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: The average buyer is not aware, and, more importantly, DOES NOT CARE that MacOS X can be run on an Intel. Apple does not WANT the public to be aware of this. Thus the alternative legal negotiation of this case. Keep it on the QT. Meanwhile, I have a bunch of MacPro-equivalents which cost me a couple of hundred apiece (not a couple of thousand apiece). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: AGP vs PCI On Sawtooth
Kris Out of those 300 how many are Mac compatible? I'm looking through them now. Try this http://shop.ebay.co.uk/items/_W0QQ_dmptZUKQ5fComputingQ5fComputerQ5fComponentsQ5fGraphicsQ5fVideoQ5fTVQ5fCardsQ5fTW?_nkw=Radeon+AGP+mac_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=Radeon+AGP+mac_osacat=0 Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 21 2008, Kris Tilford wrote: On Oct 20, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Simon Royal wrote: All I can find on eBay is a small handful of cards mainly AGP Rage Pros. Yeah, I'm only seeing about 300 listed in the UK. Bummer, we've got about 600+ listed here in the states (Radeon AGP). Still, you might look through the list of 300 UK Radeon AGP's and find something a tiny bit nicer than a Rage Pro if you want? Here's a link: http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40_trksid=m38.l1313_nkw=Radeon+AGP Many UK have sold for less than £15 w/PP. Many US have sold for less than $10 shipped. A US one might be cheaper to you? See these recently completed auctions by price: http://tinyurl.com/5ql9bd for UK http://tinyurl.com/5wgp25 for USA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: AGP vs PCI On Sawtooth
Kris. Sorry its been a long and stressful week. :)--- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: AGP vs PCI On Sawtooth From: Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 21/10/2008 11:03 On Oct 21, 2008, at 4:49 AM, Simon Royal wrote: So let me get this right. I could get a PC Rage Pro 128 or other card and flash it for the Mac on a Mac? I don't know anything about flashing Rage cards. These were so old I think some didn't have flash ROM, they had fixed firmware. I know that Pro versions had flash ROM, but I've never heard of anyone flashing one for any reason. All the Mac flash program I've used are Radeon only AFAIK. What PC cards can be flashed and do I get the flashing software and ROMs from. Are you not reading what I write? Here, for a 2nd time: For information and ROMs for converting to Mac, see: http://themacelite.wikispaces.com/ I have a working PCI card in so I could do it on the Sawtooth. Yes, you're starting to see the possibilities. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Leopard Question: Re-partioning Free Space
Hi. You can with iPartition. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Leopard Question: Re-partioning Free Space From: insightinmind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 21/10/2008 16:50 Is it an option to partition free space on an external firewire drive, using OSX 10.5's Disk Utility, without losing a current partition(s) structure and/or data on the same harddrive? Maybe only decrease the original partitions size, without losing any original data and accessibility? It was originally setup under 10.5 with one partition. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth
Ross. I took the pictures on my mobile, my camera skills are fine. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth From: Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 20/10/2008 01:07 Simon Royal wrote: Here are some pictures of the modded/hacked card http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-whole.jpg and http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-edge.jpg I cannot get the card to sit in the machine properly. If I put it inline with the back of the machine it will not go in the slot. The grooves in the card do not match up to the grooves in the card edge. Here is the AGP slot - you can see the PCI card installed. http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-agp.jpg and http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-slot.jpg If I put the card in so it fits in the slot, the card sits an inch back from the back of the machine. I know they shouldn't be like this and I know some cards card be a pain to get in, especially if the card face plate is a little bent. http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-back.jpg Simon, Here is the page you should be looking at: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/FX5200_Mods_for_G4/ FX5200_G4mods.html If your FX5200 was not modified correctly, it will not work. If it was modified correctly, you have to install it correctly. BUT FIRST, you need to learn how to take a proper picture with your camera... Ross --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth
Ross Cheers, looks like this card requires a Digital Audio and upwards. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 20 2008, Ross wrote: Simon Royal wrote: Here are some pictures of the modded/hacked card http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-whole.jpg and http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-edge.jpg I cannot get the card to sit in the machine properly. If I put it inline with the back of the machine it will not go in the slot. The grooves in the card do not match up to the grooves in the card edge. Here is the AGP slot - you can see the PCI card installed. http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-agp.jpg and http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-slot.jpg If I put the card in so it fits in the slot, the card sits an inch back from the back of the machine. I know they shouldn't be like this and I know some cards card be a pain to get in, especially if the card face plate is a little bent. http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-back.jpg Simon, Here is the page you should be looking at: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/FX5200_Mods_for_G4/ FX5200_G4mods.html If your FX5200 was not modified correctly, it will not work. If it was modified correctly, you have to install it correctly. BUT FIRST, you need to learn how to take a proper picture with your camera... Ross --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth
Justin. Thanks, someone else has thid mod working in a DA, so you may be right regards to the Sawtooth. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth From: Justin The Cynical [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 20/10/2008 04:01 Kris Tilford wrote: On Oct 19, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Ross wrote: learn how to take a proper picture with your camera... Look for the Macro button when you're taking close-ups. I think the odds are greater that the AGP slot is bad, rather than the card is bad. Try to borrow a known good card, or try your correctly modified card in another Mac with a known good slot. Actually, I don't think this is the case. The NVidia card is keyed for a 1.5V slot. The sawtooth is a 3.3v slot. Also, even though I can't seem to find it now, I believe that the NVidia card will only go down to 4x. I don't think it's going to work in a sawtooth. I have one of these cards, and I have done the mod for my old DA, but everything I can find now, and recall finding, says that these cards will work in a minimum of a DA (4x slot) and up. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
AGP vs PCI On Sawtooth
Hi I have been thinking. This is only a 400Mhz Sawtooth, nothing mind blowing, how much of a difference would a new graphics card actually make. It has a 16MB PCI ATI Rage 128 Pro card at present. I have been looking at a 16MB AGP ATI Rage Pro card (one that originally should be in it) and a 32MB PCI ATI Radeon 7000. Is AGP that much faster than PCI? I have been Googling the question and it seems not. I have both Tiger and Leopard installed on the Sawtooth and the only advantage of having a massive graphics card would be for Core Image and Quartz Extreme in Leopard. However, I use Tiger the most and this is very spritely as it is. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: AGP vs PCI On Sawtooth
Kris It is not that I don't trust you just that I subscribe to a lot of groups and constantly get told off for using them as my first base of info rather than looking it up myself. I think the 16MB AGP ATI Rage 128 Pro would be a better choice than the 32MB PCI ATI Radeon 7000. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: AGP vs PCI On Sawtooth From: Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 20/10/2008 10:26 On Oct 20, 2008, at 3:54 AM, Simon Royal wrote: Is AGP that much faster than PCI? I have been Googling the question and it seems not. In standard 33MHz PCI slots a PCI video card is 1/2xAGP speed. If you had a 66MHz PCI slot (you don't, but the PCI Graphics Yikes has one, and also the BW G3 has one), this slot would be the equivalent of 1xAGP. Your AGP Graphics Sawtooth has a 2x AGP, which is 4x faster than the fastest PCI slot. Using an AGP video card is a no brainer unless you have a dead AGP slot. I've already told you this information before, so why are you still Googling? Don't trust me? I have both Tiger and Leopard installed on the Sawtooth and the only advantage of having a massive graphics card would be for Core Image and Quartz Extreme in Leopard. However, I use Tiger the most and this is very spritely as it is. Just try scrolling a giant long document or webpage. S-L-O-W. For that matter, you can go to XBench archives and look up the differences between a Sawtooth with a good card and one with a bad card. A quick glance shows one with a Radeon 9800 getting graphics scores around 75-80 range, and one with an OEM Rage getting scores in the 15-20 range. Your PCI card will be one half of this, so it should test out in the 8-10 range (run the test yourself, see). You can see these archive results yourself at: http://db.xbench.com/ You can flash cheap PC card over to Mac easy enough. Just get any old cheap 7000 or whatever you think is appropriate. Look here for info and ROMs: http://themacelite.wikidot.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: AGP vs PCI On Sawtooth
Kris The Rage is AGP and the Radeon is PCI. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: AGP vs PCI On Sawtooth From: Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 20/10/2008 12:40 On Oct 20, 2008, at 5:41 AM, Simon Royal wrote: I think the 16MB AGP ATI Rage 128 Pro would be a better choice than the 32MB PCI ATI Radeon 7000. The Rage isn't even supported in Tiger or Leopard, look in ConsoleSystem.log and you'll see some warnings. The Radeon enables Quartz Extreme, which increases some graphics functions by exponential magnitudes in speed. Both cards cost about the same, so it's hard to see what criteria you're using to prefer the Rage as better choice? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: AGP vs PCI On Sawtooth
Kris All I can find on eBay is a small handful of cards mainly AGP Rage Pros. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: AGP vs PCI On Sawtooth From: Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 20/10/2008 21:08 On Oct 20, 2008, at 8:57 AM, Simon Royal wrote: The Rage is AGP and the Radeon is PCI. Oh. Get an AGP Radeon, they're normally LESS expensive than PCI. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth
DC OK, let me make it a little clearer. I have a Sawtooth with a PCI graphics card (ATI Rage 128). This leaves the AGP port free. I got sent a card which I think is a GeForce FX5200 from a G5, which has been cut as it is an AGP 8x card and Sawtooth machines will only accept AGP 2x/4x. Here are some pictures of the modded/hacked card http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-whole.jpg and http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-edge.jpg I cannot get the card to sit in the machine properly. If I put it inline with the back of the machine it will not go in the slot. The grooves in the card do not match up to the grooves in the card edge. Here is the AGP slot - you can see the PCI card installed. http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-agp.jpg and http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-slot.jpg If I put the card in so it fits in the slot, the card sits an inch back from the back of the machine. I know they shouldn't be like this and I know some cards card be a pain to get in, especially if the card face plate is a little bent. http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-back.jpg Can you see my problem? The ATI card (in the PCI slot) is VGA. The GeForce card (in the AGP slot) is DVI/ADC. My monitor is only VGA. So I cannot test the GeForce card on its own. Hence the reason I wanted to boot with both cards installed and hook the monitor to the ATI card. Then I should be able to see the GeForce card in System Profiler. If the card then works I will buy a new monitor or a converter, but I won't unless I can get anything out of this card. With both cards in the machine will boot the grey Apple screen and go no further. The Mac works fine with just the ATI card installed. I hope that clears a few things up. Any suggestions. I'm not a computer novice, but this has stumped me a little. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 19 2008, dc wrote: I'm so confused.. one of your replies got posted as a separate thread. If the ATI card is a PCI version then the AGP slot is empty, right? So AGP card could fit right in next to the PCI card. The only reason I can think of to have a PCI card when an AGP slot is available would be if the AGP slot is burned out. Can you ask the previous owner if there was a problem? And what do you mean when you say the Nvidia card has been cut? On Oct 18, 5:24 pm, Simon Royal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DC I definitely have a Sawtooth, not a Yikes. It has an Airport card in its slot - which the Yikes didn't have. However, the previous owner has removed the AGP graphics card and put in a PCI ATI Rage 128 Pro, looks like it is from the BW G3. I have installed regular AGP cards before in other machines and I know they are a little tricky at times, but this one just doesn't want to fit. It already has had the card cut and taped over. Simon ---http://www.simonroyal.co.uk- Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... -http://www.nmug.org.uk- webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 18 2008, dc wrote: I hope you're not trying to fit it into a Yikes with a PCI graphics slot Just make sure you are putting it in the AGP slot (the first slot, the one toward the center of the motherboard) and opening the AGP tab at the back of the slot (toward the center of the motherboard). Don't put too much pressure on the tab or it will snap off, it only needs to move a slight bit to let the card seat. I guess you must be familiar with it since you took the original card out? And be careful not to move the tape that is covering pins 3 11 or all you will see is a black screen or KP when you startup. On Oct 18, 4:58 pm, Simon Royal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andy from this G3-5 list very kindly sent me a USB2 card for my Sawtooth which works fine. He also sent me a graphics card to replace the ATI card in it. It is an nVidia, model number A146. Googling it brought it up as an nVidia GeForce 5200 FX. I cannot seem to get it in my Sawtooth. Searching Google again it seems you need to hack it and cover some of the edges with tape. It looks as if this is already done, but I still can't get it in. Am I being thick or is there something esle I should be doing? Simon ---http://www.simonroyal.co.uk-Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... -http://www.nmug.org.uk-webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ
Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth
Hi I think there is a problem with the card. The machine won't boot with it in. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 19 2008, J.M.P.Hissel wrote: On 18-10-2008 23:57, Simon Royal, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: With both cards installed (and the monitor hooked to the ATI card) the machine will not get any further than the grey apple screen. I tried it without the AGP card installed and it boots as normal. Any ideas? Hello Simon, A very old trick, mostly working (at least when booting in 9.2.2) on Macs of the Sawtooth generation and before: Just connect a videocable or a single converter to the AGP card and try again. One of my archives-Macs, a Sawtooth/450 has the original AGP (ATI Rage 128 Pro) and 2 PCI (ATI Rage 128) out of a Yikes and 3 monitors oc. When I sometimes need the monitor connected to the AGP (to check a Mac for a client or so), I simply connect a VGA - Mac connector to the AGP. Works OK. HTH, Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Open Office 3.0 is out
Bruce I have been following Open Office 3 for the Mac since Alpha and I have been very impressed with it. Much better than MS Office (being free is always a good thing) and much faster than NeoOffice. For anyone looking for a fast lightweight word processor take a look at AbiWord and Bean. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 19 2008, Bruce Johnson wrote: The first true OO native mac version is out. get it here: http://www.openoffice.org/ For some moronic reason Sun has declined to make an official PPC compile available via the front page, so get that here: http://tinyurl.com/6egbx6 -- Bruce Johnson No matter where you go, there you are, B. Banzai --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth
Hi Andy from this G3-5 list very kindly sent me a USB2 card for my Sawtooth which works fine. He also sent me a graphics card to replace the ATI card in it. It is an nVidia, model number A146. Googling it brought it up as an nVidia GeForce 5200 FX. I cannot seem to get it in my Sawtooth. Searching Google again it seems you need to hack it and cover some of the edges with tape. It looks as if this is already done, but I still can't get it in. Am I being thick or is there something esle I should be doing? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth
DC I definitely have a Sawtooth, not a Yikes. It has an Airport card in its slot - which the Yikes didn't have. However, the previous owner has removed the AGP graphics card and put in a PCI ATI Rage 128 Pro, looks like it is from the BW G3. I have installed regular AGP cards before in other machines and I know they are a little tricky at times, but this one just doesn't want to fit. It already has had the card cut and taped over. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 18 2008, dc wrote: I hope you're not trying to fit it into a Yikes with a PCI graphics slot Just make sure you are putting it in the AGP slot (the first slot, the one toward the center of the motherboard) and opening the AGP tab at the back of the slot (toward the center of the motherboard). Don't put too much pressure on the tab or it will snap off, it only needs to move a slight bit to let the card seat. I guess you must be familiar with it since you took the original card out? And be careful not to move the tape that is covering pins 3 11 or all you will see is a black screen or KP when you startup. On Oct 18, 4:58 pm, Simon Royal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andy from this G3-5 list very kindly sent me a USB2 card for my Sawtooth which works fine. He also sent me a graphics card to replace the ATI card in it. It is an nVidia, model number A146. Googling it brought it up as an nVidia GeForce 5200 FX. I cannot seem to get it in my Sawtooth. Searching Google again it seems you need to hack it and cover some of the edges with tape. It looks as if this is already done, but I still can't get it in. Am I being thick or is there something esle I should be doing? Simon ---http://www.simonroyal.co.uk- Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... -http://www.nmug.org.uk- webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Fwd: Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth
DC Just had a tinker and a second look. I took the face plate off the card and it will fit in the AGP slot, but it sits slightly back from the back of the machine, meaning I would have to feed the monitor cable through the back of the machine about an inch. I also had to remove the modem card as it wouldn't allow the card to sit properly. Problem I have is, my monitor is VGA only and this card is ADC/DVI. Can I run the G4 with both cards installed and my monitor hooked to the old card. Can you run a Mac with two graphics cards installed? I know this might sound pointless but at least I should be able to see the AGP card in System Profiler. I don't want to go any buy a new monitor or a VGA-to-DVI converter if this card then doesn't work. With both cards installed (and the monitor hooked to the ATI card) the machine will not get any further than the grey apple screen. I tried it without the AGP card installed and it boots as normal. Any ideas? Simon -- Forwarded message -- From: Simon Royal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth Date: 18 Oct 2008 22:24:49 +0100 DC I definitely have a Sawtooth, not a Yikes. It has an Airport card in its slot - which the Yikes didn't have. However, the previous owner has removed the AGP graphics card and put in a PCI ATI Rage 128 Pro, looks like it is from the BW G3. I have installed regular AGP cards before in other machines and I know they are a little tricky at times, but this one just doesn't want to fit. It already has had the card cut and taped over. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 18 2008, dc wrote: I hope you're not trying to fit it into a Yikes with a PCI graphics slot Just make sure you are putting it in the AGP slot (the first slot, the one toward the center of the motherboard) and opening the AGP tab at the back of the slot (toward the center of the motherboard). Don't put too much pressure on the tab or it will snap off, it only needs to move a slight bit to let the card seat. I guess you must be familiar with it since you took the original card out? And be careful not to move the tape that is covering pins 3 11 or all you will see is a black screen or KP when you startup. On Oct 18, 4:58 pm, Simon Royal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andy from this G3-5 list very kindly sent me a USB2 card for my Sawtooth which works fine. He also sent me a graphics card to replace the ATI card in it. It is an nVidia, model number A146. Googling it brought it up as an nVidia GeForce 5200 FX. I cannot seem to get it in my Sawtooth. Searching Google again it seems you need to hack it and cover some of the edges with tape. It looks as if this is already done, but I still can't get it in. Am I being thick or is there something esle I should be doing? Simon ---http://www.simonroyal.co.uk- Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... -http://www.nmug.org.uk- webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Non Hacked AGP Cards In Sawtooth
Hi I am having problems with the card Andy kindly sent me in my G4 Sawtooth. It came with a PCI graphics card installed and video is pretty naff. Can anyone recommend a reasonably cheap (or I could scout on eBay) AGP graphics card that doesn't require hacking, that is AGP 2x/4x and therefore compatible with the Sawtooth. Or a very good PCI card that works fine. It needs more than 16MB video RAM. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leopard On Sawtooth 400mhz
Dan It should run lovely on a 500DP. With regards to RAM, I know my Intel iMac leapt when I added more RAM. Leopard is a RAM hungry OS. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 17 2008, Dan wrote: At 1:17 AM +0100 10/17/2008, Simon Royal wrote: Curiousity got the better of me tonight and I went and installed Leopard on a 400mhz G4 with 640MB of RAM. I did it before with a PowerBook G4 400mhz Titanium with 1GB of RAM. It ran ok, but even Finder was sluggish and Cover Flow was painful. I did it before by modifying the Leopard installer files to remove the requirements. This time I used LeopardAssist and it works very well and is simple. It ran a lot better on the PowerMac than on the PowerBook. Finder was snappy and responsive, even Cover Flow worked fine. Nice! I recently got a PM G4 500DP. Been contemplating putting Leopard on it. I think now I shall do! :) It only has 640MB of RAM, upping it would help a lot. Do you know that for sure? Have you observed in Activity Monitor that your free and inactive pools are very tiny (*both* being less than 10MB), and that the paging rates are going nutz? - Dan. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leopard On Sawtooth 400mhz
Paul I am dual booting 10.4 and 10.5. 10.4 runs like a dream, 10.5 is a little sluggish but that is to be expected. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 17 2008, Paul wrote: Is the 400 MHz Gigabit Ethernet G4 actually a Sawtooth? Were you running 10..4 previously? How did that run? That might be the optimum OS X for that machine. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leopard On Sawtooth 400mhz
Kris My Sawtooth is an AGP graphics model, but it has a 16MB PCI card in it (I bought it like this), I think it is from a BW G3. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 17 2008, Kris Tilford wrote: On Oct 16, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Simon Royal wrote: It ran a lot better on the PowerMac than on the PowerBook. The TiBook doesn't have Quartz Extreme enabled, while the Sawtooth should if it has a Radeon card? Did you try enabling QE on the TiBook using PCI Extreme 3.1? It should work for the 8MB AGP Radeon Mobility in a TiBook. Perhaps this would help bring the speed up some to better match the Sawtooth? Also, perhaps the HD performance is much different? If the TiBook has an OEM 4,200 rpm HD and the PowerMac has a 7,200 rpm HD that could be twice as fast access to swap, etc. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth Original AGP Card Number
Kris I found a PCI version of the 7000, will this be ok? does it support QE and CI? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 17 2008, Kris Tilford wrote: On Oct 17, 2008, at 4:46 AM, Simon Royal wrote: I have a Sawtooth G4, but someone has put a PCI ATI card in it. I am looking to change it for an AGP card, does anyone know the Apple part number of the actual card that came with it. You don't want the OEM card. It's a Rage, very poorly supported in OS X, with no QE or CE support. You want at least a Radeon 7000 at minimum to get Quartz Extreme enabled (the 7000 costs about the same as a Rage). Perhaps a Radeon 9800 Pro or GeForce 6200 if you're going to continue with Leopard (these are the only two cards for the Sawtooth that support Core Image and Core Video). Here's an article that says the 9800 Pro will work unmodified with the Sawtooth, which is good, normally they require a piece of foil or solder to work with this era Mac. The second article is about upgrading the Sawtooth. http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1675583 http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=7991298 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Sawtooth Original AGP Card Number
Hi I have a Sawtooth G4, but someone has put a PCI ATI card in it. I am looking to change it for an AGP card, does anyone know the Apple part number of the actual card that came with it. I have found two so far but not sure which one it is: Apple 630-2906, Apple 630-2992 Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SATA On PowerMac G4
Hi. I am looking at more of a one off just to hook my hard drive up from my Intel iMac. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: SATA On PowerMac G4 From: dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 16/10/2008 14:21 You will get much faster transfer rates using a PCI card than if you try to run the drives through the USB ports. This is the card I use in a DA G4 and another one in a PPC G5: http://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-1v4/ It is running a striped RAID array with 3 Seagate SATA drives. Seritek cards come in a variety of internal and/or external port configurations. On Oct 16, 6:50 am, Simon Royal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I'm using a PowerMac G4 'Sawtooth' as my Intel iMac died. First the internal hard drive went then the machine went altogether. I am now wondering whether the hard drive is fine and the fault is something else. The DC board looks a bit burnt. What's the easiest way to hook up the SATA drive to the G4. Can you get internal IDE to SATA converters? Can you buy PCI to SATA cards? Would a USB to SATA be a better idea? I have seen these quite cheap on eBay, but they all say USB2 and my G4 only has USB1.1. Would this work albiet slow or does it have to be USB2? Any ideas? Simon ---www.simonroyal.co.ukandwww.nmug.org.uk(sent using Nokia E71) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
SATA On PowerMac G4
Hi. I'm using a PowerMac G4 'Sawtooth' as my Intel iMac died. First the internal hard drive went then the machine went altogether. I am now wondering whether the hard drive is fine and the fault is something else. The DC board looks a bit burnt. What's the easiest way to hook up the SATA drive to the G4. Can you get internal IDE to SATA converters? Can you buy PCI to SATA cards? Would a USB to SATA be a better idea? I have seen these quite cheap on eBay, but they all say USB2 and my G4 only has USB1.1. Would this work albiet slow or does it have to be USB2? Any ideas? Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SATA On PowerMac G4
John. My Intel iMac was the first model. A 1.83Ghz Core Duo 17. About six weeks ago the machine stopped recognising the internal hard drive. Didn't even pick there was a drive physically connected. Then about two weeks ago the machine stopped working altogether. It would turn on and within seconds turn off again. If I reset the SMC the machine would power on with the fans on full pelt, but nothing else. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: SATA On PowerMac G4 From: John Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 16/10/2008 18:40 On Oct 16, 2008, at 3:50 AM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi. I'm using a PowerMac G4 'Sawtooth' as my Intel iMac died. First the internal hard drive went then the machine went altogether. I am now wondering whether the hard drive is fine and the fault is something else. The DC board looks a bit burnt. Would be interested in what happened to your Intel iMac. Age, symptoms, etc. I have one that is a year and a half old and would like to know what to expect. Thanks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SATA On PowerMac G4
Kris. The internal DVD drive was also playing up and it wouldn't pick up the disc. I have a DVD drive in a firewire case but AHT discs will only boot in Apple specified drives. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: SATA On PowerMac G4 From: Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 16/10/2008 20:23 On Oct 16, 2008, at 5:50 AM, Simon Royal wrote: I'm using a PowerMac G4 'Sawtooth' as my Intel iMac died. First the internal hard drive went then the machine went altogether. I am now wondering whether the hard drive is fine and the fault is something else. The DC board looks a bit burnt. I think Apple provided a Hardware Test disc with this iMac? I'd have booted the Hardware Test disc as soon as the internal HD went bad. Alternatively you could have tried a Firewire Target Disk mode boot connected to another Mac via FW. It appears too late for either diagnostic. The USB-PATA/SATA cable that Bruce posted is a good item to own for testing HDs. If you think the HD is good, a Firewire enclosure would be bootable on the Sawtooth. You might get a USB 2.0 PCI card if you're going to use USB, but they only work in OS X. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Keyboards
Rick I have never had a problem with MAc keyboards and always found them to be of excellent build quality. I prefer the black ones that came with the iMac G3 (I have a DV model) over the white ones that came with the G4 range (like my eMac G4). The ones that come with the early Intel machines are pretty good. All of great build quality, although the black ones are much better and I am using one right now as I like it so much. There laptop keyboards of pretty top notch too. I have always found the PowerBook (pre-Aluminium) and iBooks (pre-G3) to be of excellent standard. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 12 2008, Rick King wrote: Why is it that Mac stopped making decent keyboards and now sell utter crap? I just got done taking a hammer to yet another one of these worthless usb abortions Mac switched to. In the last year I have gone through at least 6. They just quit working. I worked with that one for some time. It started typing two's all by itself so I flipped it upside down and beat on it to make that stop. Then it starts in on 0's. Then the caps lock key quits and half the letters go. I unplug it, plug it back in. Reboot the whole machine. Even turning it upside down and pounding on the damn thing only does so much. Why did they ever stop making those nice ADB keyboards? Or a much better question would be why did the cheap bastards do away with the ADB port so they could save a buck a unit? I would have thought Apple would be above such Intel-like behavior. Intel hacked the cache in a P3 to save a buck and called it a Celeron. Winmodem riser cards. The list goes on. Everytime I sit in front of a Mac anymore and have to look at one of those USB keyboards it just pisses me off. Is there some way I can cheaply get a trusty old extended keyboard to work on this miserable usb interface? Most adapters I have seen cost 50 or more. I am this close to taking a hammer to the whole thing. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Drives Sorted (128GB Limit Answer)
Hi Thanks for everyones help. It was a lot easier to do than I thought. I now have 20GB HD as my boot (primary master), 120GB for my music collection (primary slave), DVD drive (secondary master) and a 20GB (secondary slave) where the zip drive was. It took less than 20 minutes to put it all in and worked first time. I had to mod the optical/zip bracket so I could connect the third hard drive up, but it works fine. I will at some point be putting a 40GB in (and cloning from the boot), in place of the 20GB boot just to give OSX and my apps a bit more breathing room. Cheers. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Large Drives
Hi. I've never been a subscriber to massive hard drives. What does the average user do with all that space? Who actually uses 1000GB? Then you have the question of backing up. The larger the storage the larger the back up needed. The largest drive I have had is 160GB which came in my Intel iMac. At the moment I have 100GB of music stored on a 120GB hard drive, which I bought merely to keep all my music in one place. I have a 20GB boot drive for crying out loud. My PowerBook G3 Pismo came with a 40GB hard drive which I think is a little bit of overkill as I have only used 10GB. It is not that I don't do heavy work. I am a graphic designer who works in Quark, Photoshop and Illustrator. I use iMovie for video editing and make a lot of backup disc images. I just think massive drives are bought for the 'ive got 500GB' wow factor rather than if you actually need or use it. A PC friend of mine has a 500GB Western Digital external drive and never goes over 200GB of it. What a waste of money. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Mirroring... Why?
Hi. I was playing around with my Macs the other day. My PowerBook G3 has a VGA port on the back and when I hooked my monitor to it found that itt supports a second display in spanning mode. A handy feature when working with a lot of apps. I then hooked up the monitor to my G3 iMac and this only supports mirror mode, where it replicates what is on the main display. What is the point of this? The only thing I can see is if the main display fails. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.10, XI or What?
Bruce I tend to agree with you about Linux at present. It has been there for years, never really made an impact. Ubuntu is gaining a lot of ground. With each new release is fast becoming a mainstream OS contender but it still has a long way to go. It is still too buggy and geeky for someone who just wants an OS to use. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: 10.10, XI or What? From: Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/10/2008 00:55 On Oct 9, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Doug McNutt wrote: if you find a bug you can fix it yourself and contribute the fix to the community. Right, because the majority of people who use computers these days all know C++ and can read the source code. rolls eyes Linux is great, it has it's place, but seriously, trying to say it's on par with OS X on the UI front is delusional. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.10, XI or What?
Doug Of course the X in OSX stands for 10. Some people refer to it as OS 10. It makes sense as it follows OS9. But I do think it has some hankering on to the NeXT days too. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: 10.10, XI or What? From: Doug McNutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 09/10/2008 23:39 At 22:03 +0100 10/9/08, Simon Royal wrote: I know this is a long way off, but what do we think Apple will do after they reach Mac OSX 10.9 'Lion'. Will they go for 10.10? There's nothing wrong with that. Other 'NIX apps do it. But the X in OS-X does NOT stand for the base of decimal arithmetic, 10. I'm convinced that it is there because Steve came home from NexT, Inc. and the folks who came with him really wanted to preserve the concept of GUI applications existing in a UNIX background. OS 10 would have been an improvement of OS 9: Instead. . . OS neXt was a whole new system that required dropping a whole lot of the good that came with the classic MacOS. In my case it's the loss of MPW which was really a way to make classic Mac behave a bit like UNIX. It's not that I disapprove. Right now I'm enjoying ubuntu which works a whole lot like OS neXt but there are no secrets to worry about and if you find a bug you can fix it yourself and contribute the fix to the community. It's also cheaper at a total cost of $0.0. If you're thinking about upgrading from your G4 to a newer Intel-based Apple box you owe it to yourself to check out ubuntu. Nautilus replaces Finder and the gnome toolkit is a whole like the Mac-classic toolbox. Reasonable people can well disagree, but checking it out costs nothing but access to a friend who has an Intel box you can play with. And yes I'm still showing 10 x cost on my AAPL. Perhaps that's OS 10.X.1 -- -- If it's not on fire it's a software problem. -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Drives. Internal Or External?
Amanda OK. So if my large drive is only 120GB, I should be able to put it in the PowerMac where the zip drive is and keep my 20GB boot drive and 20GB other drive with no problems? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 10 2008, Amanda Ward wrote: On Oct 10, 2008, at 3:16 , Simon Royal wrote: Hi I have always had all-in-one Macs as my main machine so any drives added have always been external. Well now I have a PowerMac G4 'Sawtooth' making it easier to add hard drives and optical drives. I have a few queries. Firstly, I have a Pioneer 112D in a firewire case, could I add this in as a second optical drive. I currently have a zip drive underneath my main optical drive, but could I add a second? Electrically, it would work, but the zip drive bay is way smaller and I don't think there is an option for a door on the front for a second optical drive. You could always leave the front panel for the zip and optical drive off the case, but that looks kind of rookie. ;- A mounting bracket would be the big problem... doable, of course, but prolly a little messy. Secondly, I have a 120GB hard drive in a firewire case. Would there be any advantage of putting it internally. I currently have a 20GB 7200RPM boot drive and a 20GB slave drive, could I add a third hard drive into it? I have a large data drive in the zip drive bay, running off the optical drive bus on my DA and it works fine for my purposes. The bus is slower (IIRC) and that might be an issue, depending on your needs, but it works. Does this Mac suffer from the 128GB HD limit and is that per drive or collective drives? Yes... and that is per drive. There are some ways around this, but in my early morning, pre-caffeine fog I can't put my finger on them. :-) Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Drives. Internal Or External?
Bill. Might just swap the old Pioneer A03 out and put the 112D in instead. The 120GB is not a bootable drive. It houses my music collection. Just wondered whether it would be better internally or externally. I connect to it via network anyway from different machines which I can still do if it is internally stored. I could then put the 20GB slave into the firewire case and use it as a bootable clone or for storing important stuff off away from the internal drives. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: Drives. Internal Or External? From: insightinmind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/10/2008 12:37 On Oct 10, 2008, at 6:16 AM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi I have always had all-in-one Macs as my main machine so any drives added have always been external. Well now I have a PowerMac G4 'Sawtooth' making it easier to add hard drives and optical drives. I have a few queries. Firstly, I have a Pioneer 112D in a firewire case, could I add this in as a second optical drive. I currently have a zip drive underneath my main optical drive, but could I add a second? I think there are problems to solve with the mounting bracket and bezel replacement. Secondly, I have a 120GB hard drive in a firewire case. Would there be any advantage of putting it internally. I currently have a 20GB 7200RPM boot drive and a 20GB slave drive, could I add a third hard drive into it? Its nice to have a backup / bootable drive in an external FW case ... a hard drive that doesn't get turned on every time you use the computer ... maybe housing a CCC copy of your OS X and other important partitions / data. Don't think there's the 128GB limitation on the external setup ... so maybe put the 120 inside, and get a 500 or 750GB for the external case ... if it has a good Oxford type bridge. Does this Mac suffer from the 128GB HD limit and is that per drive or collective drives? I believe if you use a controller PCI IDE/66-100-133 card for ATA drives, you can bypass the limitation of 128GB (I think the limitation is per drive, excepting RAID structures ???). Also think there's software like Tech Tool Pro that will help with the onboard ATA bus interaction with the drive. Not very familiar with that technique. Have you seen Mactracker for well displayed summaries on all Macs made? http://www.mactracker.ca/ Others will have more details. Best, Bill --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Drives. Internal Or External?
Hi I have always had all-in-one Macs as my main machine so any drives added have always been external. Well now I have a PowerMac G4 'Sawtooth' making it easier to add hard drives and optical drives. I have a few queries. Firstly, I have a Pioneer 112D in a firewire case, could I add this in as a second optical drive. I currently have a zip drive underneath my main optical drive, but could I add a second? Secondly, I have a 120GB hard drive in a firewire case. Would there be any advantage of putting it internally. I currently have a 20GB 7200RPM boot drive and a 20GB slave drive, could I add a third hard drive into it? Does this Mac suffer from the 128GB HD limit and is that per drive or collective drives? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
128GB Limit Question
Hi I have been trying to find the answer to this question, but to no avail. All G4s (and G3s for that matter) before the Mirror Drive Door suffer from the 128GB hard drive limit, but does my PowerMac G4 Sawtooth AGP Graphics have a maximum limit of 128GB or a maximum limit per drive of 128GB. I have a 20GB boot drive (primary master) and a 20GB on the same cable (primary slave). Then I have a DVD drive (secondary master) and zip drive (secondary slave). I am proposing to have a 20GB boot drive (primary master), a 120GB on the same cable (primary slave) as both drives are 7200RPM. Then a DVD drive (secondary master) and a 20GB (secondary slave). This would take me to 160GB (technically) on the internal ATA. Would this work? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
Bruce So it would be wiser to put the two 7200RPM drives on the primary and the optical drive and third slower hard drive on the secondary. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 10 2008, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Simon Royal wrote: All G4s (and G3s for that matter) before the Mirror Drive Door suffer from the 128GB hard drive limit, but does my PowerMac G4 Sawtooth AGP Graphics have a maximum limit of 128GB or a maximum limit per drive of 128GB. it is per physical drive, so you can have 256 GB on the bus if you wanted (2x128GB drives). Also, this only applies to the faster of the two internal ATA busses. The ATA bus the optical drive is on is not subject to that limitation, but it's slower. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
Hi What's the best way to use this drive? Internally or via a firewire case? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 10 2008, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:59 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Bruce So it would be wiser to put the two 7200RPM drives on the primary and the optical drive and third slower hard drive on the secondary. Yes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
Bruce I have had this drive sitting in a firewire case. I have never moved it to another Mac and if I need to access it from my laptop I usually just connect over the network. With this in mind it would probably be better to put internally so it is always there on my desktop and faster speed when network connecting. Plus one less thing to power. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 10 2008, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 10, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi What's the best way to use this drive? Internally or via a firewire case? It depends. Internal it's always there, and is probably faster throughput. Cheaper to install, too. External, you can always move it to another computer. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
Peter I was ready to go with it until you confused me. (Sorry it's late) So none of my drives are larger than 128GB. I would be putting 120GB and 20GB on the main IDE, so will this be fine. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 10 2008, PeterH wrote: On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Simon Royal wrote: I have been trying to find the answer to this question, but to no avail. All G4s (and G3s for that matter) before the Mirror Drive Door suffer from the 128GB hard drive limit ... No, this limit was absolutely and finally removed with the Quicksilver 2002, not the MDD (although it was indeed removed in the MDD). But, this limit could be conditionally and temporarily/semi- permanently removed with all G4s. The LBA48 property is in all G4s that I own, but I only own AGP video G4s, not the earlier PCI video G4s. These properties ... one for the HD bus and another for the optical bus ... are there for large drive support, but these are not enabled, unless and until you do something to enable them, which takes a script in your TERMINAL window to effect. Search for 'LBA48' and I'm sure you'll find the scripts and their installation instructions. ... but does my PowerMac G4 Sawtooth AGP Graphics have a maximum limit of 128GB or a maximum limit per drive of 128GB. The limit applies on a per-device basis. HOWEVER, the property applies on a bus basis. IOW, if you enable the LBA48 property on the HD bus, then any and all devices attached to the HD bus will have the LBA48 property, but the optical bus won't. You have to enable the optical bus separately. I have a 20GB boot drive (primary master) and a 20GB on the same cable (primary slave). Then I have a DVD drive (secondary master) and zip drive (secondary slave). I am proposing to have a 20GB boot drive (primary master), a 120GB on the same cable (primary slave) as both drives are 7200RPM. Then a DVD drive (secondary master) and a 20GB (secondary slave). This would take me to 160GB (technically) on the internal ATA. Would this work? Sure. If you want to try applying the so-called LBA48 property enablement method, this will add the large drive property to your boot ROM, wherein this property is stored in your Mac's NVRAM. It will remain there, and enabled, until you cause the NVRAM to be reset. Another method is the Intech High-Cap kext, which applies only after booting. As the High-Cap kext appears not to work with 10.5, I have elected to apply the LBA48 property to my Digital Audio G4 (dual 1.0 GHz), and I use this property with complete transparency across 10.3, 10.4 and 10.5. In every case, I am using the highest level of each OS, and with all applicable updates. N.B. The High-Cap applies to all buses collectively, not just one. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
Peter Well I subscribe to the lower end of Macs. The AGP G4 was introduced nearly 10 years ago. Anyway. I have 3 hard drives. A 20GB (my boot drive) and a 120GB proposing to go on the primary IDE. I then have a DVD drive and 20GB proposing to go on the secondary IDE. This is where the 160GB comes from. Will this configuration work? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 11 2008, PeterH wrote: On Oct 10, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Simon Royal wrote: So none of my drives are larger than 128GB. I would be putting 120GB and 20GB on the main IDE, so will this be fine. Hmmm ... I read it as 160 GB, not 120 GB. 120 GB drives haven't been manufactured for the better part of a decade. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: TFT Fuzziness Solved... Ish
Vic The previous owner of the TFT had it running on a PC and a G4 Cube, to which he reported it was working fine. Maybe I am just used to the awesome quality of the iMac G3. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: TFT Fuzziness Solved... Ish From: Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/10/2008 01:07 On Oct 10, 2:39 am, Simon Royal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Well I have managed to work out there is nothing wrong with my PowerMac G4 or the graphics card in it. I hooked my TFT monitor up to my iMac G3 via the VGA port on the back (for mirroring) and the picture was just as fuzzy, so it is the monitor after all. Maybe I am just very fussy, but the picture quality and crispness on the iMac G3 is about the best I have seen in a long time. I then checked the picture on my iBook G3 and PowerBook G3 and while this is very good it doesn't measure up to the sharpness of the iMac - another thing that makes them awesome machines. Simon Yes, Simon, I agree. Compared with the Window$ machines I suffer with at work, all my old Macs have better, crisper, easier-to-read displays. I think Window$ users are conditioned to expect crappy performance. Must have something to do with Quartz, or Core, or some such... V Mabus --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Still Fuzzy TFT
Len It was given to me, but had been working on a Cube and PC with no probs before I got it. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: Still Fuzzy TFT From: Len Gerstel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 09/10/2008 14:42 On Oct 9, 2008, at 9:17 AM, Simon Royal wrote: -original message- Subject: Re: Still Fuzzy TFT From: Len Gerstel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 09/10/2008 14:15 On Oct 9, 2008, at 9:06 AM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi. I still have a grainy picture on my TFT. It is hooked to a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth. I bought a new high quality, shielded, ferrite core cable as I read that naff cables can cause problems, but this hasn't resolved it. The picture displays fine but the text is a little pixelated, small text is hard to read especially compared to the mega crispness of my iMac G3 screen. Any ideas? Simon A couple of questions on the specs of your monitor: What is the native resolution of the monitor? What resolution do you have set in display preferences? What is the pixel pitch (or dpi) of the monitor? Native res is 1024x768 and it is set to that. I do not know what the DPI is, how would I find this? Simon DPI would be in the spec sheet for the monitor, you may need to hit the manufacturers site for the info. What is the make and model? If this is a entry level and/or off brand monitor, it may be the best it is going to get. Did you test it out with text and graphics before you bought it? With the vga connection and not digital? Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
iMac VGA Test
Hi. I have a monitor and a new (to me) Mac which I am having problems with. Trouble is I can't narrow it down to whether it is the monitor or Mac and have no other Mac to test it on. However, my iMac G3 has a VGA port. Could I hook the monitor to this to check whether the same fuzziness appears? Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Still Fuzzy TFT
Bruce. I'm no Mac newbie, I had thought of that. It also makes no difference. The whole picture is fuzzy but it is most noticeable on text. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: Still Fuzzy TFT From: Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 09/10/2008 16:27 On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:06 AM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi. I still have a grainy picture on my TFT. It is hooked to a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth. I bought a new high quality, shielded, ferrite core cable as I read that naff cables can cause problems, but this hasn't resolved it. The picture displays fine but the text is a little pixelated, small text is hard to read especially compared to the mega crispness of my iMac G3 screen. The picture displays fine but the text is a little pixelated DING DING DING. We have a winnah! Go into the monitors control pane and check the text smoothing setting. It's probably set for something other than what you want. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Still Fuzzy TFT
Bruce The monitor is a cheap TFT given to me by a friend who used it on a G4 Cube and a PC and he didn't notice bad picturing. I haven't tried it on another Mac myself, but I do have an iMac G3 which I am going to hook it up to just to check if the picture is better on there. If it is, then the video card in my PowerMac is the problem. One thing I did notice is, my PowerMac G4 is a Sawtooth with AGP graphics but it has a PCI ATI Rage 128 installed (which looks like it is from a BW G3 or Yikes G4). Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 9 2008, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 9, 2008, at 8:36 AM, Simon Royal wrote: Bruce. I'm no Mac newbie, I had thought of that. It also makes no difference. The whole picture is fuzzy but it is most noticeable on text. Crap, another wonderful theory killed by those damn facts. :-) Have you tried different refresh frequencies? Messed with any monitor settings on the monitor itself? Have you tested another monitor on that computer? (I'm sort of lost on the whole sequence so far, I remember the monitor is fine on another computer...it's remotely possible there's an issue with your video card) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
10.10, XI or What?
Hi I know this is a long way off, but what do we think Apple will do after they reach Mac OSX 10.9 'Lion'. Will they go for 10.10? Will the abandon the whole numbering and name system before then? Will they leave OSX behind and move on to something new altogether? Of course nobody knows, I doubt even Apple have given it much thought, but 10.6 'Snow Leopard' is coming shortly and the others will follow shortly after. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Still Fuzzy TFT
Doug I was using Flurry. But the problem started as soon as I hooked up the monitor. I will try using a different screen saver or not one at all. Anything is worth a try. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 9 2008, Doug Burton wrote: I'm getting in on this rather late, but were you by chance using Flurry as your screen saver? The reason I ask is because I had a similar problem using a cheap LCD. I left it on with Flurry as the screen saver and started noticing the fuzzy looking image on the screen that you describe. More noticeable in the screen text, but generally a fuzzy image. I stopped using Flurry on that monitor and it cleared up. Just a thought. Just a message from Doug... On Oct 9, 2008, at 4:08 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 9, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Bruce The monitor is a cheap TFT given to me by a friend who used it on a G4 Cube and a PC and he didn't notice bad picturing. Might he have lower standards or (more likely) simply been used to it? I remember when I finally replaced my old 17 monitor with a new one how incredibly fuzzy and dim it was, though I'd have said it was just fine the day before... I haven't tried it on another Mac myself, but I do have an iMac G3 which I am going to hook it up to just to check if the picture is better on there. If it is, then the video card in my PowerMac is the problem. One thing I did notice is, my PowerMac G4 is a Sawtooth with AGP graphics but it has a PCI ATI Rage 128 installed (which looks like it is from a BW G3 or Yikes G4). That shouldn't make it fuzzy, merely less than optimal video performance. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Sawtooth Processor Upgrade
Hi I haven't had much dealings with upgrading PowerMac G4s so need a little help. I have a 400Mhz AGP Sawtooth and would like some with what processors I could add to it. Would this work? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/APPLE-820-1175-A-POWER-MAC-G4-533MHZ-PROCESSOR_W0QQitemZ260288808075QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item260288808075_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A10|240%3A1318_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Keyboard Washing
Hi My kids managed to split a can of Coke over my white Apple keyboard yesterday. So I washed it this morning in a sink fully of warm bubbly water. Besides the Coke it had gotten very grubby so it needs a good clean anyway. Obviously it needs to be dried thoroughly before plugging back in, it is hanging on the washing at the moment but will put it in the airing cupboard later. How long should I give it to dry out. I want to make sure it is fully dry - lucky I have a spare keyboard. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rotten smell raises Apple toxin fears
Hi I have had a number of iMac G3s and these smell terrible of burning. I changed the plastics on one recently and whilst testing it afterward smelt so bad of burning plastic I thought I had done something wrong. But my sons iMac G3 smells just as bad. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: Rotten smell raises Apple toxin fears From: Arnel Tuazon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03/10/2008 11:19 Actually come to think of it (or smell of it) my wife's old G3 iBook started to smell like B.O. after it was serviced for a new hard drive. That was about 2 years ago and it still stinks when you boot it up. I'm thinking it's the hard drive because the logic board was replaced twice from two different service centers and the stink is still there. Kinda like the episode of Seinfeld when Jerry's car started to smell bad after the valet drove it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G4 AGP - USB 2 Options
Hi My PowerMac G4 AGP will be arriving today. It only has USB 1.1 and I have a lot of USB 2 devices (kind of got used to the higher speed on my Intel iMac). Does anyone know of any PCI expansion cards that are available either bonefide Mac ones or generic PC ones that work on the Mac? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G4 AGP - Graphics Card Options
Hi My PowerMac G4 AGP will be arriving today. It only has a 16MB AGP Rage 128 or 128 Pro. Would adding a better graphics make any difference. I don't do any advanced video editing (not on a machine of this speed), but I wondered if it would help with everyday tasks. Also I will run Tiger, but at some point intend on running Leopard which is very graphics dependent and relies on Quartz Xtreme. Does anyone know of a good graphics card that obviously isn't overkill on a machine like this. I don't want a 512MB super extreme card, but something better than the 16MB at the mo. Also it needs to have a VGA port as my monitor is VGA only. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 AGP - USB 2 Options
Andy. How much and I am in the UK. I can always get round the sleep thing by turning off sleep. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: G4 AGP - USB 2 Options From: Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 02/10/2008 12:23 Hi My PowerMac G4 AGP will be arriving today. It only has USB 1.1 and I have a lot of USB 2 devices (kind of got used to the higher speed on my Intel iMac). Does anyone know of any PCI expansion cards that are available either bonefide Mac ones or generic PC ones that work on the Mac? Simon Hi Simon, I have a 2 port one I can post to you. It may cause sleep problems though. (With your Mac's not you) E.G. not waking Andy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Drive order on desktop
Diane Have a look under the 'View' menu in finder, select 'Show View Options'. Select 'Keep Arranged By' and select 'Name'. Should keep things arranged, always keeps my boot drive at the top, even if my other drive is named something that is lower alphabetically than my boot. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Drive order on desktop From: diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 02/10/2008 22:01 I seem to remember that back in the day, the drive you booted from showed up first on the desktop, then the rest filled in below. (when they were listed on the desktop in the upper right hand corner) Last night I created a bootable backup on my 2nd 500gb drive, set it as the startup disk and rebooted. My main drive showed up as on top. Try again. Same thing. Finally tossed something on the desktop of the backup drive (they are identical), and lo and behold, it is booting correctly, it's just showing up in the last of the list of drives). Is this something that has changed along the way in OS X and is there a way I can change it back? Or did I remember wrong??? Thanks, Diane --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Fuzzy TFT
Eric I am running it at its native resolution. I only have one VGA cable and it is the same one the previous owner used. It is a VGA to VGA cable though, not fixed into the monitor so I could try one. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: Fuzzy TFT From: Eric Volker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 02/10/2008 22:11 First of all, make sure that you're viewing your screen at the monitor's native resolution. Google says the native resolution is 1024x768, but that's only from one source. That will probably fix the jaggies you're seeing, and perhaps the blurriness. The blurriness could also be caused by a bad cable; try a different video cable (from a different source) and see if that helps. Eric On Oct 2, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi I picked up a 14 TFT monitor from a fellow Mac user (it is a Teleview LT-14) a few months ago and haven't gotten round to setting it up until today. I have it attached to a PowerMac G4 400Mhz AGP via VGA. It works fine however the picture is quite fuzzy. I have played around with different resolutions and refresh rates but nothing solves it. I spoke to the previous owner and he has had it on a PC and a Cube and didn't notice fuzziness. I am writing this on an iMac G3 which is as crisp as anything, but even my PowerBook G3 and Intel iMac have crisp screens. You can really notice it on text, like the menu bar, text is jagged. I was also messing with the OSD and found something called Phase and Clock which helps slightly. Any ideas? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I was just given a G4 733 tower
Ha ha That is the funniest thing I have seen in a while. Windows users behold! If you are stressing about yet another BSOD, then Macs to the rescue once again. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Sep 25 2008, CCorsair wrote: Thanks for the info . so do you think i should download the patch and try the drive again? I not going to update just yet to OS X as I was told that with the system older hardware I may have problems with using the older versions of the video software and I plan to use this system for doing video. I like to update the hardware like Memory and CPU and video cards but know that I will be limited to the G4 hardware. If Pioneer dives may be one choice could Sony be another ? Are there other brands I can use? I also looking at changing out one of the two or both hard drives (there are 2 IBM IDE Deskstars 60 gigs each) I like to see what i can get out of this box for a bit .. It bring back memories from working at Apple it was hell some time other time it was fun but when you have to fix system after system to get it out the door you get a bit tired. I can say I have personal worked on thousands of G3 G4 and iMacs (pre LCD) Thanks again for the info and by the way I always like the case of the G3 / G4 and was a lost why Apple just dropped them and wonder what ever happen to them. well i searched around and i was shocked to find out what had happen to the Case and what they are being used for now. be warned this is a bad end for such great case.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxdliMYpVwc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChN4WhWrJQo CC --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
BW G3 Firewire
Hi. I know the blue and white G3 doesn't support target mode via firewire, but can it boot from firewire. I have the Tiger DVD restored to my firewire iPod which I use for fast installs, and wanted to install Tiger via this method on a blue and white G3. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: (Solved) New 10.5.5 system on G5 doesn't show in startup disk control panel.
Hi. I have never unplugged any peripherals while upgrading any of my Macs on Panther, Tiger or Leopard and never had a problem with any updates or installations. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: (Solved) New 10.5.5 system on G5 doesn't show in startup disk control panel. From: Al Poulin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 22/09/2008 16:10 On Sep 22, 2008, at 4:02 AM, g3-5-list group wrote: == 1 of 1 == Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 12:46 am From: Brian Durant Unplugging my scanner, graphics tablet and card reader before running a new archive and install solved the problem. Great. Let's assume that this is not merely a coincidence, but is cause and effect. Brian's troublesome case illustrates the fact that Apple should do a much better job at advising users what to do BEFORE beginning an OS installation. Buried deep in Apple's documentation are several statements about removing peripheral devices from the machine. This guidance should be up front and preemptive. On the retail install CD for Leopard, the Install Setup Guide has this near the end: The installation wasn’t successful. If you were unable to install Mac OS X, try the following: • Disconnect external devices you don’t need during installation. • Use Disk Utility to repair your hard disk. That first bullet should have a prominent place in the Read Before You Install. At Apple's on-line article TS1394, there is this: Disconnect devices not used during installation and remove non-Apple RAM - If the issue persists, disconnect any other drives you may have connected to your computer and retry your installation. Other devices could potentially affect your installation. Again, this guidance should be preventive, and not shown only in a troubleshooting section. I think I'll go to an Apple forum with this. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: (Solved) New 10.5.5 system on G5 doesn't show in startup disk control panel.
Chuck Not critising, but from someone who has owned over 15 Macs running OSX and worked on hundreds, just offering my experience. The only problem I had was on an iBook G3, updating from 10.4.10 to 10.4.11 via Software Update. It just wouldn't complete, had to download it from Apple site and then it worked. Same update worked fine on other Macs via Software Update. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: (Solved) New 10.5.5 system on G5 doesn't show in startup disk control panel. From: Charles Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 22/09/2008 20:39 On Sep 22, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi. I have never unplugged any peripherals while upgrading any of my Macs on Panther, Tiger or Leopard and never had a problem with any updates or installations. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) And as this thread has just shown, That experience is NOT the definitive case! ;-) Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: (Solved) New 10.5.5 system on G5 doesn't show in startup disk control panel.
Chuck Well one, although technically it wasn't mine I was replacing a hard drive and reinstalling OSX for a mate. It was someone elses but the problem happened on my watch, so yes I have had one problem. However, I think the original thread was about removing peripherals and Apples vague instructions on updates. My Macs always stay plugged in with all their peripherals, but the iBook had nothing plugged in. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: (Solved) New 10.5.5 system on G5 doesn't show in startup disk control panel. From: Charles Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 22/09/2008 21:07 On Sep 22, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Chuck Not critising, but from someone who has owned over 15 Macs running OSX and worked on hundreds, just offering my experience. The only problem I had was on an iBook G3, updating from 10.4.10 to 10.4.11 via Software Update. It just wouldn't complete, had to download it from Apple site and then it worked. Same update worked fine on other Macs via Software Update. Simon So you DID have one problem Duh!!! Apple , and others, make sweeping generalized statements, that when followed eliminate the possibility of certain types of problems Your statement fits a 'Reduced Universe' of possibilities, and thus is NOT a valid rebuttal to Apple's intent. That you didn't have many problems is great for you, but as advice for EVERYONE else, is Bad Advice. Chuck D. --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: (Solved) New 10.5.5 system on G5 doesn't show in startup disk control panel. From: Charles Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 22/09/2008 20:39 On Sep 22, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi. I have never unplugged any peripherals while upgrading any of my Macs on Panther, Tiger or Leopard and never had a problem with any updates or installations. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) And as this thread has just shown, That experience is NOT the definitive case! ;-) Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Daisy Chain Firewire iPod
Hi I have recently swapped most of my external USB drives for Firewire ones, as I only ever had my iPod plugged in via firewire, leaving a spare firewire port, meanwhile my USB ports and hubs were brimming. So I hooked up my iPod through my external firewire DVD writer. Great! apart from one oddity. Sit the iPod on the dock and it powers up and charges but wouldn't mount. So I switched on the firewire DVD writer and lo and behold the iPod showed it's 'do not disconnect' and then mounted and iTunes kicked into life. So what would happen if I turned off my DVD writer while the iPod was mounted? Would it disconnect the iPod too. Just a bit confused as to why it would power the iPod even if the DVD writer is off but only mount if it is on. Seems daisy chaining has its drawbacks. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Daisy Chain Firewire iPod
Chuck Yes it is actually a Pioneer 112D in a 5.25 external firewire case with its own 'walled' power supply and on and off switch on the case. With the iPod hooked up and the writer switched on at the wall and not the unit, the iPod will charge and not mount. With the iPod hooked up and the writer on at wall and on at unit then the iPod will mount and work fine. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: Daisy Chain Firewire iPod From: Charles Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 23/09/2008 00:35 On Sep 22, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi I have recently swapped most of my external USB drives for Firewire ones, as I only ever had my iPod plugged in via firewire, leaving a spare firewire port, meanwhile my USB ports and hubs were brimming. So I hooked up my iPod through my external firewire DVD writer. Great! apart from one oddity. Sit the iPod on the dock and it powers up and charges but wouldn't mount. So I switched on the firewire DVD writer ??? I gather that the DVD unit has an external (I.E. Wall Wart) power supply. Just how are you 'switching on' the DVD unit? Is there a switch on the DVD? and lo and behold the iPod showed it's 'do not disconnect' and then mounted and iTunes kicked into life. So what would happen if I turned off my DVD writer while the iPod was mounted? Would it disconnect the iPod too. That would be my expectation given your description so far. Just a bit confused as to why it would power the iPod even if the DVD writer is off but only mount if it is on. Seems daisy chaining has its drawbacks. Another example of deficient documentation, requiring the User (you) to 'learn by experimentation'. ;-) Fortunately, I haven't yet run into any questionable problems using FireWire. Chuck D. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leopard On SD Card
Hi In theory it should work, I have been trying to get a cheap 8GB SD card and not been successful. Once I get one I will be pursuing the project and having the Leopard install DVD on SD will be very handy. A tiny little install disc. Being read only should increase disc life (as flash cards suffer from low write). Plugged into a USB 2 card reader, should make for a fast install. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: Leopard On SD Card From: nestawasright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 21/09/2008 16:08 On Sep 18, 1:05 pm, Simon Royal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce I was thinking of using the restore facility of Disk Utility to restore the Leopard DVD to the SD card. So, Simon, how is this project coming. I think a few of us would like to know how it went. Mykel Simon ---http://www.simonroyal.co.uk- Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... -http://www.nmug.org.uk- webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Sep 18 2008, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 18, 2008, at 1:56 AM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi I have an odd question. I was looking around at 8GB flash drives or tiny portable hard drives, when I saw 8GB SD cards. I want to restore my Leopard DVD onto an 8GB external drive and wondered if it could be done on an 8GB SD card plugged into a USB card reader. Then I want to use the 8GB drive (be it SD, flash or mini hard drive) to boot from an use as an install disc. I know this would only work on Intel machines. Any ideas? You'll have to format it as Mac OS X extended, and then use something like Carbon Copy Cloner to clone the installer DVD to the card. It MIGHT work. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: MDD startup problem and solution, and a question.
Aaron. Kind of related. I recently had 50 blue and white G3s to repair, and some showed no sign of life. However, most of them were fixed using a good PRAM. Also my sister-in-laws Quicksilver G4 lost power unexpectedly in a power cut, and wouldn't start up. Inside the door is a reset button labelled S1 (or maybe P1), pressing this allowed it to boot up again. This might help. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: MDD startup problem and solution, and a question. From: Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 21/09/2008 01:19 I'm sharing this here, since a search of my archive of the list doesn't turn up this info. A couple of days ago, when I was doing various cabling changes inside my FireWire 800 MDD, at one point it wouldn't start up at all. I mean no visual or aural indication of any activity when I pressed the power button in various ways. Then, after other changes, it finally did and then, shortly after in the same configuration, it didn't! To make a long story short, after I had given up and was starting to move my drives and more into my old Dual 867 MDD, a friend came over for help with his Pismo that he was having a problem with.* I was able to do a web search that quickly turned up the solution: ::: When the MDD won't power up, just unplug the power cord for 10 seconds and plug it in again! I realize that if I had done the right thing and unplugged the power cord before working inside the computer, the problem wouldn't have arisen during that process, but it might have shown up the next time I shut down and tried to restart after I finished working on it. QUESTION: Is it likely that this strange behavior presages any more serious problems? If so, what can I do about it beforehand? Also, (1) can I check the PRAM battery without removing it and (2) how does one remove it? I'm guessing the PRAM battery may be bad because, when I reconnect after disconnection, I get the message about the computer's date being too old. (Since the computer automatically connects to the internet, the date time get corrected quickly.) Note, though, that the same person who reported the solution above also said that replacing his PRAM battery, although it solved other problems, didn't solve the startup problem. - Aaron * Actually, the Pismo was having a problem with _him_. The problem is that, despite having good enough mental powers to be a decent casual chess player, he's so tech-phobic that he can barely use his cell phone beyond calling and answering. More to the point, he can't remember what the TCP/IP Control Panel is for. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Source for Analyzing an eMac Tiger Mac OS Install CD Set
Hi There is a way to hack around this. The 'grey' machine specific discs have a similar line in the osinstall file that limits which machines it can be installed on, similar to the 'badmachines' in retail Tiger discs, that specifies which machines Tiger cannot be installed on. Remove this line and you should be able to get your eMac discs to work on any machine. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Sep 19 2008, billycarmacs wrote: Know of any references / links where I might compare eMac Tiger CDs with a more general OS X Tiger CD set? Maybe one for a Quicksilver as well? Was hoping an eMac Tiger Mac OS Install 16-CD set I just bought would at least install on my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz ... but it doesn't. Thanks, Bill Connelly Musician and Painter artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio/ myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.4 update also available
Hi On the subject of updates for 10.4, whatever happened to the heavily rumoured 10.4.12 that was all the talk just after Leopard was brought out? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Sep 16 2008, Charles Davis wrote: On Sep 16, 2008, at 3:25 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: Will all the talk about 10.5.5, which installed flawlessly on my DA, I thought I would let the other classic using holdout know that there is a security update for 10.4.11 also out there and restarted 1 time with no issues. Len Thanks for the 'Heads Up' Downloading as I write this ---(was 15 hours--now down to 5 hours remaining) [Ah, the blessings of Dial-Up] Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which OS X on eMac 700
Sam Rubbish. 10.4 runs prefectly well on a G3 nevermind a 700mhz G4. Admittedly 10.5 would struggle a bit, but max the RAM and it would be usuable. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: Which OS X on eMac 700 From: Sam Macomber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 06/09/2008 16:32 no 10.5 10.4 is slow enough on it ;)(writing this on an eMac 700 w/ OS 10.4) could use a gig of RAM, but not worth it to put any more money into the machine at this point. wait and get a new one in a year or two. I just acquired a eMac 700 to my Mac family and was wondering which version of OS X is best for it? Should I go for 10.5 or stick with 10.4? It only has a 32mb Nvidia card which means some features of 10.5 will not work anyway. Any thoughts? Peter M. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Hard drive?
Dennis. The drives in both PC and Mac are the same, it is the physical formatting and partitioning that makes the difference. Windows uses FAT32 and NTFS, while Mac OSX uses HFS+. Apple use a lot of Seagate and Western Digital drives, but any IDE will work in both. However using the IDE bus on a Sawtooth limits you to 128GB. To go higher you will need a PCI ATA controller. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Hard drive? From: Dennis Myhand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 06/09/2008 21:40 I am putting together a G-4. A Sawtooth to be exact. I have access to a number of hard drives to use. An IDE interface is what I will end up using. My question is, will any IDE drive work (less that 120 gigs)? Or, do I need one specific to a Mac? I am moving from the PC world into Macs. Will the disk utilities take care of the formatting and drive setup or do I need something originally built for Macs? Thanks, Dennis --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Solid State Laptop Drives
Hi Interesting, would you like to elaborate a little. It sounds a nice little project. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Sep 5 2008, dc wrote: Just for fun I put a SSHD in my PowerBook 5200cs. I used a SanDisk memory card in the lower pc slot, formatted it using Drive Setup, and copied the OS 9.1 system onto it. It boots and runs perfectly, no noise, no heat, low power consumption, only cost $10. Now I'm wondering if one of these would work in a G4's Airport slot? On Sep 4, 5:29 pm, Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 4, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Bruce Thanks for that. They are very expensive. £60 for a 32GB drive, when you pick up an IDE drive for under £10 is a big difference. Simon Yeah, that's why the SSD based MacBook Air is $800 more than the one with the regular hard drive. SSD's a friggin' expensive. That said, $107 for a 32G SSD is a blowout bargain compared to what they HAVE been over the years... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Solid State Laptop Drives
DC I had a look at the website, but it doesn't mention any particular brand of card. Will any PCMCIA ATA flash card work or only specific 'mac compatible ones'. I found one on eBay but it was only 220MB http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/220MB-PCMCIA-ATA-Flash-card-for-HP-200LX-Palmtop-PC_W0QQitemZ320292895286QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320292895286_trkparms=72%3A12|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 If I do get one, does it technically add a second hard drive? I could just format it to HFS+ and my PowerBook/OSX would pick it up as a second drive? Are there any write limitations to them? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Sep 5 2008, dc wrote: Here's where I got the idea: http://www.alksoft.com/5300_FAQ/FAQ_2.7.php#2713 The SanDisk card is seens as an ATA hard drive. Formatting it, installing OS 9, and booting from it are all done just the same way you would handle any second ATA drive. I did try it in a G4 tower a few minutes ago but it is not seen at all from the airport slot. It thought I remembered reading somewhere that the Apple Airport slots were different from standard PC cardbus slots. Too bad, it means the ATA or SATA adapter will be needed to make SSHDs run in New World Macs. On Sep 5, 9:11 am, Simon Royal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting, would you like to elaborate a little. It sounds a nice little project. On Sep 5 2008, dc wrote: Just for fun I put a SSHD in my PowerBook 5200cs. I used a SanDisk memory card in the lower pc slot, formatted it using Drive Setup, and copied the OS 9.1 system onto it. It boots and runs perfectly, no noise, no heat, low power consumption, only cost $10. Now I'm wondering if one of these would work in a G4's Airport slot? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Warning about Some LEM Folks
Billy At the risk of being nanny-slapped or told 'if you don't like it then unsubscribe' I know what you mean. Some of the group nannies (not necessarily this one) can be very rude, very short and not always willing to listen to your comments. They seems to pull up the rules when it suits them while others flaunt them continuously. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Sep 5 2008, insightinmind wrote: Sam Danton Jeannette, PA 15644 was very rude to me when I inquired about a Sonnet G4/1GHz processor. Laughed at my offer even though it had already been sold, according to him (or her). The list Nanny was equally short and rude with her response about use of the List. From the first comments on the Google page, it would seem you''re responding to the Author by Default. Not true. No reason to be so short and abrupt ... like someone who's been on the computer too long. Just a warning about Nettiquette. Of course, I did tell them things inappropriate after their rudeness to me ... which was not very mature of me. Bill Connelly Musician and Painter artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio/ myspace.com: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ringtones by itunes?
Jason I have no experience of the Samsung Hue, but I use my Macs for transfering mp3s and ringtone/mp3s I have made to my Nokia phones. I have used the same procedure for a Nokia 6280, 6288, N73, E61, E71, 6500 slide, a Sony Ericsson Z750i and a bunch of others I cannot remember the model numbers for. I click the bluetooth menu at the top, click send file (if it is already paired in Leopard you can send directly to phone without having to search for the device) and it will search for devices. Select the device and off it goes (you might have to confirm on the device you want to accept). I did a quick search on Google and there are a number of people who have had problems sending files from a computer via bluetooth. Well, I hope that helps and if I have underestimated your computer knowledge I am sorry. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Sep 5 2008, jason wrote: Shot in the dark here. I recently acquired a samsung hue and I want to export some ringtones to it. I am using my pismo to manufacture some ringtones in the mp3 format, but haven't been able to get the phone to accept it. Just wondering if anyone out there has any knowledge on this? Jason --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
