Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction
Hi John, Not Sure what version of Gnome you are talking about but I find Gnome is quite accessible these days. Gnome 3.12 is just as accessible as Windows in most respects. So before you make a blanket statement like a giant part of Gnome is inaccessible maybe you should back that up with version number, when you tested it, etc because things on Linux are constantly changing and being updated. Plus if there is a configuration issue to blame it may not be the desktop environment itself but your configuration at fault. Cheers! On 10/25/14, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: A giant part of gnome is inaccessible... just saying. Also, it's the desktop, not orca, that's got the problem, so its nothing improved orca could do. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
Hi Josh, Honestly, I have no idea. However, I'll just say that the pro/business class software businesses use is and has always been different from what the home users get. You know that the home version is often lacking features that pro, business, and ultimate has. My guess is when it comes to Microsoft accounts businesses may get some sort of break or slightly different policy than the usual home version that ships on laptops and desktop machines. However, that is just a guess on my part. Cheers! On 10/25/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: and do you really think businesses are gunna want to use microsoft accounts for everything? I would not. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Can't run Awesome Homer
Hi Jim, Yukio, a person on the Audio games form says he can't run Awesome Homer. He has a 64 bit computer. The error message states: awesome -- Sorry but one or more of the wave files seem to be corrupt Please contact Jim Kitchen --- I noticed that although most of the files in the game are 16 bit awes27.wav is an 8 bit file. Other 8 bit, mono, unsigned files in my Kitchensinc folder are: dung77.wav dung78.wav dung79.wav dung80.wav lifeg.wav mach6.wav mach14.wav mach15.wav mach17.wav mach20.wav monopoly5.wav monopoly6.wav monopoly7.wav monopoly8.wav monopolytokenCarHorn.WAV Most of them are very small, 4 to 8 kb and I found them by sorting the folder by size. Some of these might not be in the games but ended up in my Kitchensink folder by mistake. It would be easy to change these files to 16 bit with Goldwave if that is wat is causing his crash. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
Hi Josh, Sadly that is not going to happen. While I am a big Linux proponent I also realize the majority of the world's developers won't touch Linux for a number of reasons. Some of them are down right due to licensing issues that essentially bars commercial developers from the platform. For example, the GPL is fine if a developer is willing to develop his or her software as free and open source, but if not the GPL because a cosmic pain in the butt for a commercial company. Let's say a developer wants to port some commercial program from Windows to Linux and sell it. However, a number of the libraries he or she needs to use are licensed under the GPL. They either have to release their software as open source, the same as the libraries, or have to write commercial libraries free of the GPL. Since nobody wants to do a lot of work rewriting libraries and if they are in the business to make money they won't release their software as open source. So right their Linux has shot itself in the foot by attracting commercial developers just by having too much of its libraries and core dependencies under the GPL. Another key problem for developers is market share. There are many people world wide running Linux, but they are fragmented, not unified, because they all use different distributions of Linux. As it result it makes it painful to create and distribute any piece of software that will safely run on all distributions of Linux. If a developer says he or she is only going to support say Ubuntu they are ignoring potentially millions of potential consumers by not supporting Fedora, Arch, Slackware, and so on as well. It makes it very impractical to market a product when one is dealing with upward of a hundred different versions of the same operating system. Fortunately, for a target group such as the VI gaming community it isn't quite that bad. I already know that most VI users are probably running Ubuntu or a Ubuntu derivative like Ubuntu Gnome, Vinux, etc or they have Arch or Fedora. That helps narrow the field somewhat and it would be possible to develop audio games for the majority of blind Linux gamers. Not so if one is a big company selling to the mainstream. The point here is that we are dealing with fragmentation and that is generally bad when a company is trying to develop software for a large number of consumers that could be running one of potentially hundreds of distributions of the same software. Its impossible to test them all or directly support them all. That is why a lot of Linux software comes in source format so if there isn't a specific build for your platform you can create a build yourself. If there isn't source available it puts the onus on the developer to create builds for a specific Linux platform if problems are encountered with the generic build. That said, I have been looking at this problem, and there may be a way to minimize the problem. by using something like Mono it might be possible to have a .NET application for Linux that is a build once run everywhere type of product. However, I have no idea how reliable that is across multiple versions and distributions of Linux since I haven't seen a lot of software for Linux actually use Mono. Bottom line, if you think everything is going to switch over to Linux in our life time you are dreaming. I don't believe that is going to happen because it is not in the best interests of most companies. You'd have better luck betting on Apple's Mac OS X being the next big thing. On 10/25/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: ok then if ms won't do those things then I hope everybody and all developers will start switching to ubuntu gnome. NVDA for ubuntu gnome or a better orca and more voices available in its app store. and if I want to run windows I'll run windows xp or windows7 in a vm on the ubuntu host until everything is all switched over. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction
I was using the version of gnome that came with debian 7.2 at the time. Not sure exactly which one that is, but I had a miserable time with it. -- From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:40 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction Hi John, Not Sure what version of Gnome you are talking about but I find Gnome is quite accessible these days. Gnome 3.12 is just as accessible as Windows in most respects. So before you make a blanket statement like a giant part of Gnome is inaccessible maybe you should back that up with version number, when you tested it, etc because things on Linux are constantly changing and being updated. Plus if there is a configuration issue to blame it may not be the desktop environment itself but your configuration at fault. Cheers! On 10/25/14, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: A giant part of gnome is inaccessible... just saying. Also, it's the desktop, not orca, that's got the problem, so its nothing improved orca could do. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction
hi thomas, do you use gnome shell 3.12 or the fallback mode? I use the gnome shell where you press control alt tab to get to the different options and things. On 10/26/2014 6:40 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi John, Not Sure what version of Gnome you are talking about but I find Gnome is quite accessible these days. Gnome 3.12 is just as accessible as Windows in most respects. So before you make a blanket statement like a giant part of Gnome is inaccessible maybe you should back that up with version number, when you tested it, etc because things on Linux are constantly changing and being updated. Plus if there is a configuration issue to blame it may not be the desktop environment itself but your configuration at fault. Cheers! On 10/25/14, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: A giant part of gnome is inaccessible... just saying. Also, it's the desktop, not orca, that's got the problem, so its nothing improved orca could do. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Nebula crashes on my iPhone 5
Hi all, I am curious if anyone else using an iPhone 5 to play Nebula can duplicate this issue? Nebula crashes on my iPhone 5 after around 10-15 minutes of gameplay. I have emailed the developer and reported this issue. Apparently I am one of a select number of people who is experiencing this issue. As suggested, I have closed all other apps running in the background and disabled Voiceover whilst playing. While the game performance has improved, the crashes still occur. I have also uninstalled and re-installed the game with no result. Personally, I think my crashing issue is due to the fact I am using an older device. Shortly I am obtaining my iPhone 6 and I hope the performance will be improved, as I really love this game. David Sent from my iMac --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] {Disarmed} Fw: A new 3D audio game from the Papa Sangre studio
Hi Teresa, I am also looking forward to this game. I have been waiting for it for months now. I hope it is just as successful for them as their previous titles. David Sent from my iMac On 26 Oct 2014, at 3:52 am, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, boy, one of my favorite developers doing one of my favorite types of games. Can't wait. Teresa Winging its way from my iPod On Oct 22, 2014, at 8:26 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: A new 3D audio game from the Papa Sangre studioThought people should know about this one. Oh, and Dr. bastard? awsome! - Original Message - From: Dr Bastard and his merry band of developers To: d...@xgam.org Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 3:09 PM Subject: A new 3D audio game from the Papa Sangre studio The follow up game to Papa Sangre II is launched. View this email in your browser We’re alive!* AUDIO DEFENCE: ZOMBIE ARENA, the follow up to Papa Sangre II is coming very soon. We mean very soon. If Papa Sangre II was a gourmet meal, then Audio Defence is the dirty, filthy, delicious burger from the van parked outside. It’s a zombie shooter. You play a blind warrior who can’t see the approaching waves of zombies. You can only hear them and shoot them, and as you know, with binaural audio, they will swarm ALL AROUND YOU. We've boiled down the gameplay so all you have to do is turn and shoot. You can use the gyro for maximum immersion. All the zombies are the master creations of the evil Dr Bastard, who takes pleasure in your gruesome death. There is a badass range of special Zombies and weapons - Chainsaw Zombies will give you a really close binaural haircut, Farty Zombies explodes in a towering inferno of noise and gore. You start with little popgun pistol and eventually graduate to the sonic cannon. There are missions, challenges and in game currency, Game Center support - everything you'd expect. Our developers really have had fun making this. If you’re journalist or a games blogger or vlogger or an p-ogger (i.e. you podcast) we’d love it if you’d do a review. Please mail audiodefe...@somethinelse.com. If you can think of any ELSE you can do to help get the word out write to us too. We’ll give a free copy to the best suggestions. For more regular updates and giveaways - hit the Facebook and Twitter buttons below. Otherwise, all you have to do now, is HOLD TIGHT. IT’S COMING... * This gets confusing if you’ve been playing Papa Sangre II Facebook Twitter audiodefence.com Copyright ©2014Somethin' Else. All rights reserved. Our mailing address is: 20-26 Brunswick Place, London N1 6DZ, UK unsubscribe from this listupdate subscription preferences This email was sent to d...@xgam.org why did I get this?unsubscribe from this listupdate subscription preferences Somethin' Else · 20-26 Brunswick Place · London, London N1 6DZ · United Kingdom --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] Mudding on OS X
I wish Sent by Mailwise – Your emails, with style.:) Original Message From: Scott F. scotf2...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 09:07 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Mudding on OS X Hi list, This has probably come up before, but short of running a Windows virtual machine, can anyone offer any viable alternatives for MUDding on OS X? Thanks for your input. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim's pizza delivery game
hmmm wander what it is, I do have the program loaded however in 7 I don't use uac so who knows. Sadly tom we still have a lot of old programs and those that are written in older languages and will continue to do so for some time. At 02:04 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: Hi Shaun, I don't think Nicol's issue is hardware related. If so it would be having this issue with other programs and games and he has made no indication that is the case. Only that it is specific to Pizza Delivery. So it is a safe bet the problem is a software conflict rather than hardware related. On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well firstly upgrade your video card drivers. I have had this happen on an old box last week. You may need sight but in the first instance using a compresser or other blower blow the box or however you clear it a can or something my dad does it with his equipment so I don't know aparently there is a way. anyway they get a lot of dust depending where they are and you may have a caked cpu and other stuff I have had a friend's box literlly bblow up on him and when we opened it up, the fan was so encrusted that it was completely jammed. Anyway after you blow ou the dust from the box and put it together, replace or rather remove and regrees the heatsync and replace any noisy fans and then it will probably work again. you may have a power issue to the supply may need replacing who knows. you could also try updating your bios or reflashing it as that also helped a lot. Finally with all drivers and stuff loaded check memmory and drives they can fail to. but computers are cheap enough you can replace one, I usually replace a machine from between 4-8 years. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
if I have to I'll get a business license just so I can get the professional version of windows but really I think anyone can go get windows pro if they wish. its a bit more to buy but is worth it I think. On 10/26/2014 6:46 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, Honestly, I have no idea. However, I'll just say that the pro/business class software businesses use is and has always been different from what the home users get. You know that the home version is often lacking features that pro, business, and ultimate has. My guess is when it comes to Microsoft accounts businesses may get some sort of break or slightly different policy than the usual home version that ships on laptops and desktop machines. However, that is just a guess on my part. Cheers! On 10/25/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: and do you really think businesses are gunna want to use microsoft accounts for everything? I would not. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
or if google made a version of android for the desktop and android took over all platforms. On 10/26/2014 7:12 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, Sadly that is not going to happen. While I am a big Linux proponent I also realize the majority of the world's developers won't touch Linux for a number of reasons. Some of them are down right due to licensing issues that essentially bars commercial developers from the platform. For example, the GPL is fine if a developer is willing to develop his or her software as free and open source, but if not the GPL because a cosmic pain in the butt for a commercial company. Let's say a developer wants to port some commercial program from Windows to Linux and sell it. However, a number of the libraries he or she needs to use are licensed under the GPL. They either have to release their software as open source, the same as the libraries, or have to write commercial libraries free of the GPL. Since nobody wants to do a lot of work rewriting libraries and if they are in the business to make money they won't release their software as open source. So right their Linux has shot itself in the foot by attracting commercial developers just by having too much of its libraries and core dependencies under the GPL. Another key problem for developers is market share. There are many people world wide running Linux, but they are fragmented, not unified, because they all use different distributions of Linux. As it result it makes it painful to create and distribute any piece of software that will safely run on all distributions of Linux. If a developer says he or she is only going to support say Ubuntu they are ignoring potentially millions of potential consumers by not supporting Fedora, Arch, Slackware, and so on as well. It makes it very impractical to market a product when one is dealing with upward of a hundred different versions of the same operating system. Fortunately, for a target group such as the VI gaming community it isn't quite that bad. I already know that most VI users are probably running Ubuntu or a Ubuntu derivative like Ubuntu Gnome, Vinux, etc or they have Arch or Fedora. That helps narrow the field somewhat and it would be possible to develop audio games for the majority of blind Linux gamers. Not so if one is a big company selling to the mainstream. The point here is that we are dealing with fragmentation and that is generally bad when a company is trying to develop software for a large number of consumers that could be running one of potentially hundreds of distributions of the same software. Its impossible to test them all or directly support them all. That is why a lot of Linux software comes in source format so if there isn't a specific build for your platform you can create a build yourself. If there isn't source available it puts the onus on the developer to create builds for a specific Linux platform if problems are encountered with the generic build. That said, I have been looking at this problem, and there may be a way to minimize the problem. by using something like Mono it might be possible to have a .NET application for Linux that is a build once run everywhere type of product. However, I have no idea how reliable that is across multiple versions and distributions of Linux since I haven't seen a lot of software for Linux actually use Mono. Bottom line, if you think everything is going to switch over to Linux in our life time you are dreaming. I don't believe that is going to happen because it is not in the best interests of most companies. You'd have better luck betting on Apple's Mac OS X being the next big thing. On 10/25/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: ok then if ms won't do those things then I hope everybody and all developers will start switching to ubuntu gnome. NVDA for ubuntu gnome or a better orca and more voices available in its app store. and if I want to run windows I'll run windows xp or windows7 in a vm on the ubuntu host until everything is all switched over. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction
Hi John, Well, Debian stable doesn't always keep up with Gnome releases so chances are likely you were dealing with a much older Gnome release were accessibility wasn't as good as it is today. Some of the early releases like Gnome 3.0 and Gnome 3.2 were absolutely terrible accessibility wise. It wasn't until Gnome 3.4.2 that accessibility took a turn for the better and Gnome 3.8 is a bare minimum as far as I am concerned for a VI Linux user wanting to use Gnome with decent accessibility. However, if you really want good access Gnome 3.12 with Orca 3.12 is really where the access is these days in terms of graphical user interfaces. However, this is the primary problem with Linux for VI users as I see it. A lot of Windows users come to Linux not knowing squat about the OS and through simple ignorance and lack of experience may choose one of the less accessible distributions or install older components where access has improved in later versions not knowing there are better alternatives. They try to use it, find it isn't up to Windows standards, and make a blanket decision that access on Linux sucks based on their limited experience. Problem is they need to read a few FAQs, talk to some experts, and find out if their poor experience is consistent with more experienced users or they just flat out chose the wrong distribution, version of the desktop, whatever. So my advice to Windows users wanting to try Linux be absolutely certain what distribution and desktop version you are using before making a decision about its accessibility status because things aren't cut and dry. Good access on Linux depends on a lot of different factors from what distribution you use, what versions of software are used, and weather or not there are known workarounds etc. Far too many unsuspecting newbies install Linux expecting things to just work out of the box like Windows and when that doesn't happen they get mad, frustrated, or just too lazy to figure it out due in large part to lack of knowledge what they are dealing with. The sad part of it is that Linux is and can be a fairly decent OS. It just requires a bit more user know-how to get working the way it should. Some distributions are easier to do that with than others. Cheers! On 10/26/14, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: I was using the version of gnome that came with debian 7.2 at the time. Not sure exactly which one that is, but I had a miserable time with it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Pizza Delivery
well volxwagen is german, ironically and from some thing I read it was the only good thing hitler ever actually did, basically he wanted people to move round in a n affordable vehicle so made that idea go. So there is one thing you can semi celebrate hitler for, except they don't make the classic ones no more and the newer models at least in nz have issues. At 04:12 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: Hi Bryan, Interesting, the HJ Pad spell checker likes either Volkswagon or Volkswagen. BFN Jim Bad luck is being run over by the welcome wagon. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
you are probably right, and most of the time I don't mind that but I'd still like the local account option and have it as the account for ms stuff was a secondary thing and not a primary thing. and have the ability to log in and out as I wished thats all. At 02:18 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, as the MS account is pretty much core to Microsoft's new security policy as well as their services I definitely don't see that going away. Its one of those things people will either learn to live with or will have to go Mac or Linux instead. As for the Start Menu I've read it is suppose to make a return in Windows 10. As I understand it Windows 10 will have an option to enable some sort of classic mode which is similar to Windows 7 with a Start Menu or a Metro style interface similar to Windows 8. So that at least isn't totally out of the question here. As for their cloud accounts I don't see that going anywhere either. A lot of commercial software is going to the online approach and I foresee Microsoft doing something similar to google where you'll run Microsoft Office and other apps online via the cloud and your desktop or laptop will be for local files but the OS and applications will be accessed via the cloud. Don't believe me just look what Google has done with Chrome OS. Basically, if you start up a Chromebook all you get is a web browser that allows you to run gmail, Google drive, Google docs, etc and nothing is accessed on your Chromebook. Its all in the cloud. I'm sure Microsoft would be happy if they could do the same as they could charge for subscriptions rather than pay for people to buy software upgrades. On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I'd switch but I have so many windows apps I'd have to run a vm of xp or something and if thats the case I may as well continue with windows pluss being an admin everyone uses windows. At 06:52 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: should say I'll switch over to ubuntu gnome version of linux. On 10/25/2014 2:58 AM, shaun everiss wrote: well I don't think they can just stop producing 7 just like that, all the boxes we have are on 7, and while there is a market for it pc manufacturers will still release drivers till at least support for updates ends. thats not for another 5 years. Even if ms stops drivver library support most drivers for ms are generic ones anyway. As well as this because of the 8x disaster ms really needs to make sure that their new os works this time, right now it looks ok but there is always a chance to wreck it later. To be honest if xp didn't drop outside support I'd continue using it and now it appears they are trying to make vertuals with xp not work in 8 and up put it this way I have no desire to even think of upgrading. At 07:24 p.m. 24/10/2014, you wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan On 10/23/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: if you are on a low income you can get laptops from newegg and from blaire technology group for between $200 and $300 and they are quite powerful and run windows7. some with windows8.1. but I've found more games run on win7 even today. I tried win8.1 and it froze and made my CPU keep running at 100% even on the desktop with nothing open. so last night I went back to windows7 professional. that's another thing if you want a long long support cycle with windows be sure to get the professional version never buy home versions. On 10/23/2014 5:08 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, True. Obviously, for people on low income etc it would be better for them if Microsoft continued releasing updates indefinitely, but do to the costs of running a software business such a thing isn't really feasible. Although, that is one reason I use quite a bit of open source software such as Linux. Cost isn't really a factor for me. I get an operating system, screen reader, office suite, and a bunch of other software for basically the cost of a download and a disc to burn it on. Therefore the way I see it if someone wants to stay up to date and is on a limited budget there are options other than Windows if someone is willing to make the conversion to a less expensive alternative. Cheers! On 10/23/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: The only reason that updates aren't available is that they aren't provided. I know that the newer technology and hardware is better, but if you can't afford it due to bills, low income and other major stumbling blocks, you're stuck. If the updates were provided, for the end user anyway, problem solved. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
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I agree, I'd like to control where my data is saved, I do have a few things in the cloud but nothing critical. I just want to know where I put some of my stuff. At 06:55 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: I like having my local account! if I were an IT manager and if I were running a company I would not save stuff in the cloud I would want it where I know I could get at it. backups in the cloud? maybe if they were super secure. primary employee stuff would be local. and if I ran a company an ms kept messing up my company would switch over to ubuntu. Ubuntu is in the top 10 linux distributions on distrowatch.com . On 10/25/2014 3:06 AM, shaun everiss wrote: Well hopefully from a tech standpoint I won't have to upgrade at least 2 of the units here for at least another 5 or 6 years. And to be honest unless one of them breaks I am not sure if I will upgrade for some time to come. I know for a fact that several people on the network are retiring in the next 2 or so years and that will change slightly the use of at least 1 of the computers. I am not sure how much change that will mean as there will continue to be a lot of business stuff on there but point is, the funds I will have after the next 2 years or so will not really be that great. I doubt for instance that next time I upgrade it will be because windows is out of support, more likely it will be because my laptop battery has exploded or something. Thing is for the last 3-4 upgrades either I have needed it or the systems in question are broken or have not been upgraded for some time. With one acception every user is happy with their level of power. In short ms will need to really convince people to switch, I know for example that 7 is the last os that doesn't need a ms account to login. 10 now its the only way to use the system and I am sure that later oses will not have local account either. At 01:15 a.m. 25/10/2014, you wrote: Hello Ishan, There will still be updates for Windows 7 available past January 13 2015. What you are confused about is on January 13 2015 Microsoft will officially end mainstream technical support for Windows 7, but that does not mean there won't be any updates available for the OS. All it really means is that Microsoft will be switching Windows 7 over to an extended support policy which will end in January 2020. As such Microsoft will continue to offer critical updates such as security patches and updated drivers, but will not be offering updated features or applications for the OS. So in short Josh or anyone else who chooses to stay with Windows 7 should be fine until 2020 when Microsoft will pull the plug on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008. As that is five years of extended support that should be plenty of time for people to decide to either upgrade to Windows 8.1 or alternatively to Windows 10. Both of which should have any bugs and support issues worked out by that time. Who knows something better might be available by then and people will want to upgrade to that. In any case there isn't any need to worry or panic about Windows 7 support being dropped in January. Only mainstream general technical support is ending. Security updates, driver updates, and any other critical updates will still be provided until 2020. Cheers! On 10/24/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers
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I agree josh, I had to do for a customer a general cleanout of windows and update and install of some major systems. I also had to run a couple clearout programs which I did overnight. I did not like win8, and while I was able with a bit of help get win 8.1 up, I worked through the night to get the system ready for a morning pickup,, because although I could have kept it for a wek or 2 win 8 really didn't settle with me and I wanted to get it out of the door asap! My cousin has had issues with his net and whenever that happens, and he can not log in he has no system access till he can get the networking which is why I really don't like the idea of an net account as my primary login without a fallback. that and the fact that after all the stories on us cert, about nas storage hacks, ssl3 hacks and online cloud hacks that I could be online unnecessarily. On this 7 box while I am online, I don't need to login to be online, in fact I can be offline full stop! if I do get this win8 or 10 or whatever I get next, then when I make the system go I will make sure that I turn off my router before installing for the first time. It seems the easiest way to get round making an ms account. i also don't like all my info just sitting there for any person to access and me not being in control. in 7 at least I can shut everything off delete all ms live files and say I don't want to be online. When I do all my payed work and other things, no drop box, no bt sync, no messenger no mail, nothing, when my nose hits that grindstone I don't want distractions at all! And that will include live tiles, its probable that I will end up with something like classic shell with win7 or xp start menu loaded and whatever classic adjustments I can get with a local account though I will be missing out on a lot of store features and metro apps its not like I hav needed them up to now, and I have used a desktop for the last 20 years this way though I can see the potentual for the newer people that start its the same with the iphone, etc, I have never used a tablet so don't know what I am missing,. and since I have inherited another phone as long as I can spend the large load of cash on talks its probably what I will end up doing though I have used a tablet once and can see why people like it. Its all what you grow up with and I am sure if i was born now, that I'd think the keyboard a bunch of crap and that I like touch, however I was round when it was all keyboards and touch devices are as forign to me as aliens and I have no need to actually use one right now, maybe that will change. At 06:52 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: I don't or i should say I did not like windows8.1 at all when I had it on this computer, because it would not run my windows xp virtual machine at all. it ran but audio was slow and it was buggy as ever. audio was so choppy it was completely unuseable. so I went back to windows7. now everything works better. microsoft better listen to their customers or I'll switch over to ubuntu linux and run windows xp in a vm on there. On 10/25/2014 2:58 AM, shaun everiss wrote: well I don't think they can just stop producing 7 just like that, all the boxes we have are on 7, and while there is a market for it pc manufacturers will still release drivers till at least support for updates ends. thats not for another 5 years. Even if ms stops drivver library support most drivers for ms are generic ones anyway. As well as this because of the 8x disaster ms really needs to make sure that their new os works this time, right now it looks ok but there is always a chance to wreck it later. To be honest if xp didn't drop outside support I'd continue using it and now it appears they are trying to make vertuals with xp not work in 8 and up put it this way I have no desire to even think of upgrading. At 07:24 p.m. 24/10/2014, you wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan On 10/23/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: if you are on a low income you can get laptops from newegg and from blaire technology group for between $200 and $300 and they are quite powerful and run windows7. some with windows8.1. but I've found more games run on win7 even today. I tried win8.1 and it froze and made my CPU keep running at 100% even on the desktop with nothing open. so last night I went back to windows7 professional. that's another thing if you want a long long support cycle with windows be sure to get the professional version never buy home versions. On 10/23/2014 5:08 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, True. Obviously, for people on low income etc it would be better for them if Microsoft continued releasing updates indefinitely, but do to the costs of running a software business such a thing isn't really feasible. Although, that is one reason I use quite a
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
Well its why they use 7 right now but some obviously want to. Its not the account I hate, but the fact you need to login with it. as a secondary thig I'd take it but as a primary who knows. I assume you can still store your data on your hard drive but even so. I don't know. At 07:01 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: and do you really think businesses are gunna want to use microsoft accounts for everything? I would not. On 10/25/2014 9:18 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, as the MS account is pretty much core to Microsoft's new security policy as well as their services I definitely don't see that going away. Its one of those things people will either learn to live with or will have to go Mac or Linux instead. As for the Start Menu I've read it is suppose to make a return in Windows 10. As I understand it Windows 10 will have an option to enable some sort of classic mode which is similar to Windows 7 with a Start Menu or a Metro style interface similar to Windows 8. So that at least isn't totally out of the question here. As for their cloud accounts I don't see that going anywhere either. A lot of commercial software is going to the online approach and I foresee Microsoft doing something similar to google where you'll run Microsoft Office and other apps online via the cloud and your desktop or laptop will be for local files but the OS and applications will be accessed via the cloud. Don't believe me just look what Google has done with Chrome OS. Basically, if you start up a Chromebook all you get is a web browser that allows you to run gmail, Google drive, Google docs, etc and nothing is accessed on your Chromebook. Its all in the cloud. I'm sure Microsoft would be happy if they could do the same as they could charge for subscriptions rather than pay for people to buy software upgrades. On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] jim's pizza delivery game
thats a point even if you don't have a virus a lot of stuff updates all the time here I try to have things manual so I know what is what but I have set a few systems to run automatically. Thing is I have had a story second hand about a person a year or so ago that was checking email, brousing the net and listening to mushc when about 6 programs just happened to update at the same time, that may not happen to often unless your scheduals were that far out of whack and not adjusted. the system couldn't handle it, and froze, it crashed and needed to get reformatted to get working, I have never had something actually do that but I try to adjust all scheduals within an hour of each other though most things on my boxes I maintain regularly on the netwwork bar windows I have it all set so I can check what stuff is for as I go. At 06:48 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: maybe you have a virus or are getting updates? On 10/24/2014 7:01 PM, Bryan Peterson wrote: That's certainly strange. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Nicol Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 4:52 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] jim's pizza delivery game I'm not sure, but my pc does reboot completely in the middle of the pizza game. Because I have set NVDA to start when windows starts so I hear the piano sound letting me know n v d A has started so by that I know my pc has rebooted by itself. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of john Sent: 24 October 2014 04:03 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] jim's pizza delivery game When your machine crashes, does the hard disk shut off and then turn on again? -- From: Nicol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 8:54 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] jim's pizza delivery game Hi all Just to let you know, I have successfully returned to the pizza kitchen after my delivery. Its actually quite easy to remember: the pizza kitchen is between first avenue and first street at centre. But I continue to have the problem where my pc reboots in the middle of a pizza game. This is strange, I wonder what causes this? I have a question: Does pizzas cost the same amount in the US as in the pizza game? For example, at one time I delivered a pizza costing 26 dollars. Is that what a pizza really costs in the US? Here in south africa most pizza places charges an equivalent of 8 dollars for a pizza. Bfn Nicol --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All
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yeah unless you reinstall windows. At 07:00 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: and if your internet goes out or down, oh well you no longer have access to your software. On 10/25/2014 9:18 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, as the MS account is pretty much core to Microsoft's new security policy as well as their services I definitely don't see that going away. Its one of those things people will either learn to live with or will have to go Mac or Linux instead. As for the Start Menu I've read it is suppose to make a return in Windows 10. As I understand it Windows 10 will have an option to enable some sort of classic mode which is similar to Windows 7 with a Start Menu or a Metro style interface similar to Windows 8. So that at least isn't totally out of the question here. As for their cloud accounts I don't see that going anywhere either. A lot of commercial software is going to the online approach and I foresee Microsoft doing something similar to google where you'll run Microsoft Office and other apps online via the cloud and your desktop or laptop will be for local files but the OS and applications will be accessed via the cloud. Don't believe me just look what Google has done with Chrome OS. Basically, if you start up a Chromebook all you get is a web browser that allows you to run gmail, Google drive, Google docs, etc and nothing is accessed on your Chromebook. Its all in the cloud. I'm sure Microsoft would be happy if they could do the same as they could charge for subscriptions rather than pay for people to buy software upgrades. On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, The correct spelling is Volkswagen. At least that is what Open Office says, and I'd trust its spell checker as being pretty accurate. Cheers! On 10/25/14, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Bryan, Interesting, the HJ Pad spell checker likes either Volkswagon or Volkswagen. BFN Jim --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Josh, I use Gnome-Shell 3.12 standard. I don't use the fallback mode etc. I prefer to use the stock desktop when and where possible. cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: hi thomas, do you use gnome shell 3.12 or the fallback mode? I use the gnome shell where you press control alt tab to get to the different options and things. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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won't happen, a lot of mainstream people use ms and that is where the issues lie. a lot of the world is on the go but there is the smaller nitch who is not necessarily on the go. At 06:57 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: ok then if ms won't do those things then I hope everybody and all developers will start switching to ubuntu gnome. NVDA for ubuntu gnome or a better orca and more voices available in its app store. and if I want to run windows I'll run windows xp or windows7 in a vm on the ubuntu host until everything is all switched over. On 10/25/2014 3:09 AM, shaun everiss wrote: who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. At 01:37 a.m. 25/10/2014, you wrote: yes I wonder what the new mainstream business OS will be in 5 or 6 years? maybe windows10? right now businesses are staying with windows7. On 10/24/2014 8:15 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello Ishan, There will still be updates for Windows 7 available past January 13 2015. What you are confused about is on January 13 2015 Microsoft will officially end mainstream technical support for Windows 7, but that does not mean there won't be any updates available for the OS. All it really means is that Microsoft will be switching Windows 7 over to an extended support policy which will end in January 2020. As such Microsoft will continue to offer critical updates such as security patches and updated drivers, but will not be offering updated features or applications for the OS. So in short Josh or anyone else who chooses to stay with Windows 7 should be fine until 2020 when Microsoft will pull the plug on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008. As that is five years of extended support that should be plenty of time for people to decide to either upgrade to Windows 8.1 or alternatively to Windows 10. Both of which should have any bugs and support issues worked out by that time. Who knows something better might be available by then and people will want to upgrade to that. In any case there isn't any need to worry or panic about Windows 7 support being dropped in January. Only mainstream general technical support is ending. Security updates, driver updates, and any other critical updates will still be provided until 2020. Cheers! On 10/24/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __
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Hi Shaun, While I can identify with newer tech being alien, strange to someone who is use to something else, the fact of the matter is people need to be flexible. Need to learn to roll with the change, because new tech is always coming out and it isn't wise to get use to any particular technology as it can and will change at some point. I am a man in his mid 30's and I can say much has changed between when I started school and now. When I was in elementary school the greatest thing was the Apple II-E. A lot of people who could afford one had one, and those who didn't could use one at school which I did. Now days a person's iPhone is light years ahead of anything we had in the mid 80's, and I foresee a day in the not too distant future where desktops, laptops, etc will be more or less a thing of the past. Most people will probably have tablets running iOS, Android, or Windows. computers as we understand them now will be reserved for businesses where it would be impractical to type via touchscreen or run a computer for 8 to 12 hours a day in an office. So it seems to me to be prudent to begin thinking about that change and preparing for it by learning those skills now rather than later. As far as anyone thinking keyboards suck that sounds to me that person is pretty narrow minded. While touchscreens are nice and handy different input methods are available precisely because they are better at different things. Its not a case of either/or but a case of use the input method that does the best job at the time. Nobody is going to want to write a 500 page novel on a touchscreen, in fact would be a bit crazy, but is no problem on a keyboard. Likewise there is no argument that touchscreens are freer nice because they are like having a mouse and keyboard in one device, allowing movement around the screen, and are perfectly suited to browsing information, selecting a phone number from an addressbook, for pointing to screen elements and activating them, but are lousy at large amounts of input such as writing a novel. Only a stupid ignorant sod would say one input method is better than the other without first considering the use it is being put to. Cheers! On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I agree josh, I had to do for a customer a general cleanout of windows and update and install of some major systems. I also had to run a couple clearout programs which I did overnight. I did not like win8, and while I was able with a bit of help get win 8.1 up, I worked through the night to get the system ready for a morning pickup,, because although I could have kept it for a wek or 2 win 8 really didn't settle with me and I wanted to get it out of the door asap! My cousin has had issues with his net and whenever that happens, and he can not log in he has no system access till he can get the networking which is why I really don't like the idea of an net account as my primary login without a fallback. that and the fact that after all the stories on us cert, about nas storage hacks, ssl3 hacks and online cloud hacks that I could be online unnecessarily. On this 7 box while I am online, I don't need to login to be online, in fact I can be offline full stop! if I do get this win8 or 10 or whatever I get next, then when I make the system go I will make sure that I turn off my router before installing for the first time. It seems the easiest way to get round making an ms account. i also don't like all my info just sitting there for any person to access and me not being in control. in 7 at least I can shut everything off delete all ms live files and say I don't want to be online. When I do all my payed work and other things, no drop box, no bt sync, no messenger no mail, nothing, when my nose hits that grindstone I don't want distractions at all! And that will include live tiles, its probable that I will end up with something like classic shell with win7 or xp start menu loaded and whatever classic adjustments I can get with a local account though I will be missing out on a lot of store features and metro apps its not like I hav needed them up to now, and I have used a desktop for the last 20 years this way though I can see the potentual for the newer people that start its the same with the iphone, etc, I have never used a tablet so don't know what I am missing,. and since I have inherited another phone as long as I can spend the large load of cash on talks its probably what I will end up doing though I have used a tablet once and can see why people like it. Its all what you grow up with and I am sure if i was born now, that I'd think the keyboard a bunch of crap and that I like touch, however I was round when it was all keyboards and touch devices are as forign to me as aliens and I have no need to actually use one right now, maybe that will change. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
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Hi Shaun, Not sure what you mean by on the go but I do agree a massive migration to Linux won't happen. If anything people should be looking at other markets where Microsoft is getting its butt kicked by Apple and Google in the phone and tablet market. I look for that to largely replace the PC market in the next few years, and its not hard to see most people using a tablet rather than a laptop mainly do to convenience. Unless Microsoft comes up with something truly new and revolutionary the next mainstream OS will be iOS or Android. Right now we are in a transitional phase. A lot of people have both. They have their desktop or their laptop running some flavor of Windows, and have either a phone or tablet running some mobile OS like Android or iOS. Sooner or later I look for the balance to shift towards the mobile market since it isn't really necessary to own a laptop to read e-mail, browse the web, listen to music, or read someone's favorite e-books. All of those things can be easily performed on most phones and tablets, and it only makes sense the market will shift in that direction sooner or later. Cheers! On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: won't happen, a lot of mainstream people use ms and that is where the issues lie. a lot of the world is on the go but there is the smaller nitch who is not necessarily on the go. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Josh, You don't need a business license to buy the pro version of Windows. You should be able to buy it anywhere Microsoft software is sold. Granted you aren't likely to find it in Walmart since they mainly deal with the home versions given they are selling to the average consumer, but it is not hard to find Windows pro, business, or ultimate. Places like Amazon carry any and all versions of Windows. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: if I have to I'll get a business license just so I can get the professional version of windows but really I think anyone can go get windows pro if they wish. its a bit more to buy but is worth it I think. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Shaun, Each to their own of course, but I think the thing you are overlooking is choice. By running Linux as a host and Windows as a guest OS through a virtual machine you get the advantage of both operating systems on the same machine. Can in fact run both at the same time given enough processor power and memory. That has tremendous advantages over just running a single OS like Windows on its own. First, is the issue of security. It is a well known fact that Linux is much more secure than Windows on many levels. Less issues with viruses, spyware, worms, etc. Better multi-user design, better handling of user permissions, login and authentication, etc. Bottom line, it makes a great stable platform to run one or more virtual machines from because it is less likely than Windows to be infected or cracked by outside security breaches. Second, is cost of everyday applications. A decent Linux distribution such as Ubuntu comes with all the basic applications one would want or need such as Firefox for web browsing, Thunderbird for e-mail, Gedit for notetaking, Libre Office for office documents, Totem for music and movies, etc. In short, a person can have a bunch of everyday software for free, and get updates as soon as they become available. This allows the user to use their Windows virtual machine for commercial software not available for Linux such as audio games, expensive sound/video editors, or anything else they need to use which is not available for Linux. Its the best of both worlds as far as I concerned. In my opinion the oh hum everybody uses Windows attitude only restricts the end user to one and one option. They either have to pay expensive prices to upgrade their Windows software from time to time, or they stick with their old tech until it falls apart. Neither is particularly wise considering there are other options available. Ignoring those other options because they are less popular than the most popular OS going only serves to limit your freedom of choice. Cheers! On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I'd switch but I have so many windows apps I'd have to run a vm of xp or something and if thats the case I may as well continue with windows pluss being an admin everyone uses windows. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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try typing a paper on a touch screen for college or writing reports. it won't work and will frustrate you because typing on touch screen is slow. On 10/25/2014 3:19 PM, shaun everiss wrote: I agree josh, I had to do for a customer a general cleanout of windows and update and install of some major systems. I also had to run a couple clearout programs which I did overnight. I did not like win8, and while I was able with a bit of help get win 8.1 up, I worked through the night to get the system ready for a morning pickup,, because although I could have kept it for a wek or 2 win 8 really didn't settle with me and I wanted to get it out of the door asap! My cousin has had issues with his net and whenever that happens, and he can not log in he has no system access till he can get the networking which is why I really don't like the idea of an net account as my primary login without a fallback. that and the fact that after all the stories on us cert, about nas storage hacks, ssl3 hacks and online cloud hacks that I could be online unnecessarily. On this 7 box while I am online, I don't need to login to be online, in fact I can be offline full stop! if I do get this win8 or 10 or whatever I get next, then when I make the system go I will make sure that I turn off my router before installing for the first time. It seems the easiest way to get round making an ms account. i also don't like all my info just sitting there for any person to access and me not being in control. in 7 at least I can shut everything off delete all ms live files and say I don't want to be online. When I do all my payed work and other things, no drop box, no bt sync, no messenger no mail, nothing, when my nose hits that grindstone I don't want distractions at all! And that will include live tiles, its probable that I will end up with something like classic shell with win7 or xp start menu loaded and whatever classic adjustments I can get with a local account though I will be missing out on a lot of store features and metro apps its not like I hav needed them up to now, and I have used a desktop for the last 20 years this way though I can see the potentual for the newer people that start its the same with the iphone, etc, I have never used a tablet so don't know what I am missing,. and since I have inherited another phone as long as I can spend the large load of cash on talks its probably what I will end up doing though I have used a tablet once and can see why people like it. Its all what you grow up with and I am sure if i was born now, that I'd think the keyboard a bunch of crap and that I like touch, however I was round when it was all keyboards and touch devices are as forign to me as aliens and I have no need to actually use one right now, maybe that will change. At 06:52 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: I don't or i should say I did not like windows8.1 at all when I had it on this computer, because it would not run my windows xp virtual machine at all. it ran but audio was slow and it was buggy as ever. audio was so choppy it was completely unuseable. so I went back to windows7. now everything works better. microsoft better listen to their customers or I'll switch over to ubuntu linux and run windows xp in a vm on there. On 10/25/2014 2:58 AM, shaun everiss wrote: well I don't think they can just stop producing 7 just like that, all the boxes we have are on 7, and while there is a market for it pc manufacturers will still release drivers till at least support for updates ends. thats not for another 5 years. Even if ms stops drivver library support most drivers for ms are generic ones anyway. As well as this because of the 8x disaster ms really needs to make sure that their new os works this time, right now it looks ok but there is always a chance to wreck it later. To be honest if xp didn't drop outside support I'd continue using it and now it appears they are trying to make vertuals with xp not work in 8 and up put it this way I have no desire to even think of upgrading. At 07:24 p.m. 24/10/2014, you wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan On 10/23/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: if you are on a low income you can get laptops from newegg and from blaire technology group for between $200 and $300 and they are quite powerful and run windows7. some with windows8.1. but I've found more games run on win7 even today. I tried win8.1 and it froze and made my CPU keep running at 100% even on the desktop with nothing open. so last night I went back to windows7 professional. that's another thing if you want a long long support cycle with windows be sure to get the professional version never buy home versions. On 10/23/2014 5:08 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, True. Obviously, for people on low income etc it would be better
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I will never want critical info such as bank info in the cloud. On 10/25/2014 3:21 PM, shaun everiss wrote: I agree, I'd like to control where my data is saved, I do have a few things in the cloud but nothing critical. I just want to know where I put some of my stuff. At 06:55 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: I like having my local account! if I were an IT manager and if I were running a company I would not save stuff in the cloud I would want it where I know I could get at it. backups in the cloud? maybe if they were super secure. primary employee stuff would be local. and if I ran a company an ms kept messing up my company would switch over to ubuntu. Ubuntu is in the top 10 linux distributions on distrowatch.com . On 10/25/2014 3:06 AM, shaun everiss wrote: Well hopefully from a tech standpoint I won't have to upgrade at least 2 of the units here for at least another 5 or 6 years. And to be honest unless one of them breaks I am not sure if I will upgrade for some time to come. I know for a fact that several people on the network are retiring in the next 2 or so years and that will change slightly the use of at least 1 of the computers. I am not sure how much change that will mean as there will continue to be a lot of business stuff on there but point is, the funds I will have after the next 2 years or so will not really be that great. I doubt for instance that next time I upgrade it will be because windows is out of support, more likely it will be because my laptop battery has exploded or something. Thing is for the last 3-4 upgrades either I have needed it or the systems in question are broken or have not been upgraded for some time. With one acception every user is happy with their level of power. In short ms will need to really convince people to switch, I know for example that 7 is the last os that doesn't need a ms account to login. 10 now its the only way to use the system and I am sure that later oses will not have local account either. At 01:15 a.m. 25/10/2014, you wrote: Hello Ishan, There will still be updates for Windows 7 available past January 13 2015. What you are confused about is on January 13 2015 Microsoft will officially end mainstream technical support for Windows 7, but that does not mean there won't be any updates available for the OS. All it really means is that Microsoft will be switching Windows 7 over to an extended support policy which will end in January 2020. As such Microsoft will continue to offer critical updates such as security patches and updated drivers, but will not be offering updated features or applications for the OS. So in short Josh or anyone else who chooses to stay with Windows 7 should be fine until 2020 when Microsoft will pull the plug on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008. As that is five years of extended support that should be plenty of time for people to decide to either upgrade to Windows 8.1 or alternatively to Windows 10. Both of which should have any bugs and support issues worked out by that time. Who knows something better might be available by then and people will want to upgrade to that. In any case there isn't any need to worry or panic about Windows 7 support being dropped in January. Only mainstream general technical support is ending. Security updates, driver updates, and any other critical updates will still be provided until 2020. Cheers! On 10/24/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions
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I like that pizza game, its lots of fun. On 10/25/2014 3:09 PM, shaun everiss wrote: well volxwagen is german, ironically and from some thing I read it was the only good thing hitler ever actually did, basically he wanted people to move round in a n affordable vehicle so made that idea go. So there is one thing you can semi celebrate hitler for, except they don't make the classic ones no more and the newer models at least in nz have issues. At 04:12 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: Hi Bryan, Interesting, the HJ Pad spell checker likes either Volkswagon or Volkswagen. BFN Jim Bad luck is being run over by the welcome wagon. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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also if you developed for ubuntu you would get most of the linux market because most people use ubuntu according to distrowatch.com page hit rankings website. On 10/25/2014 2:59 PM, shaun everiss wrote: you are probably right, and most of the time I don't mind that but I'd still like the local account option and have it as the account for ms stuff was a secondary thing and not a primary thing. and have the ability to log in and out as I wished thats all. At 02:18 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, as the MS account is pretty much core to Microsoft's new security policy as well as their services I definitely don't see that going away. Its one of those things people will either learn to live with or will have to go Mac or Linux instead. As for the Start Menu I've read it is suppose to make a return in Windows 10. As I understand it Windows 10 will have an option to enable some sort of classic mode which is similar to Windows 7 with a Start Menu or a Metro style interface similar to Windows 8. So that at least isn't totally out of the question here. As for their cloud accounts I don't see that going anywhere either. A lot of commercial software is going to the online approach and I foresee Microsoft doing something similar to google where you'll run Microsoft Office and other apps online via the cloud and your desktop or laptop will be for local files but the OS and applications will be accessed via the cloud. Don't believe me just look what Google has done with Chrome OS. Basically, if you start up a Chromebook all you get is a web browser that allows you to run gmail, Google drive, Google docs, etc and nothing is accessed on your Chromebook. Its all in the cloud. I'm sure Microsoft would be happy if they could do the same as they could charge for subscriptions rather than pay for people to buy software upgrades. On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Josh, Well, the speed and accuracy of typing on a touchscreen depends on the person. I have heard of some people who can type almost as fast on their touch device as a standard keyboard. So I'm not sure if I'd completely agree with your statement that it is slow. Certainly for a lot of people, but not necessarily for everyone. I might add that a person could write a paper for a class on their touch device, but I do agree it could get frustrating. They aren't designed for touch typing long documents of any kind and that is why blue tooth keyboards and so on exists. Sooner or later a person will need a keyboard for extended data entry and it can be done on tablets and phones provided they have a keyboard available for the device. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: try typing a paper on a touch screen for college or writing reports. it won't work and will frustrate you because typing on touch screen is slow. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Josh, A point about the Linux market. Keep in mind there is a difference here between PC users and server users. Most Linux users are corporations running some sort of Enterprise Linux like Red Hat or Cent OS on their web, mail, and other office servers which wouldn't be something a game developer would be interested in since if companies are running it on their servers they aren't likely to be a customer for games and other multimedia applications. The sort of users you are talking about are home PC users who use Ubuntu which is designed to be an equivalent to Windows. It comes pre-bundled with applications the average home user would want such as Totem for movie and music playback, Empathy for internet chat, Firefox for web browsing, Libre Office for home office use, and things of that nature. The new Unity desktop is designed to resemble Mac OS in appearance which is another attempt to grab the home PC market. for those reasons that is why Ubuntu is one of the leaders in the Linux software market at least as far as mainstream/general use goes. Its the closest distribution to Windows as far as the public is concerned. The point here is when you say most users you need to clarify which market PC or server. Both markets exists and it makes a big difference to a developer which one he or she chooses to target. I don't think the average home user would care if a developer created a new server replacement for Sendmail, but a company might. Likewise a company probably wouldn't care about a Linux version of Swamp, but Linux home users would. So keep that in mind when quoting rankings and user statistics. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: also if you developed for ubuntu you would get most of the linux market because most people use ubuntu according to distrowatch.com page hit rankings website. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I like running anything from windows98 to xp to an old mac OS7 or OS8 in virtual machines. I just can't see an android or IOS tablet doing that. also don't forget that Ubuntu has many commercial apps. just go get chrome and go get steam for ubuntu for games there you got lots of commercial stuff on your free open source linux distribution. On 10/26/2014 10:05 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, You don't need a business license to buy the pro version of Windows. You should be able to buy it anywhere Microsoft software is sold. Granted you aren't likely to find it in Walmart since they mainly deal with the home versions given they are selling to the average consumer, but it is not hard to find Windows pro, business, or ultimate. Places like Amazon carry any and all versions of Windows. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: if I have to I'll get a business license just so I can get the professional version of windows but really I think anyone can go get windows pro if they wish. its a bit more to buy but is worth it I think. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well if I must switch to a tablet I'll go with android before apple just because android is more open like linux and windows. On 10/26/2014 9:43 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, Not sure what you mean by on the go but I do agree a massive migration to Linux won't happen. If anything people should be looking at other markets where Microsoft is getting its butt kicked by Apple and Google in the phone and tablet market. I look for that to largely replace the PC market in the next few years, and its not hard to see most people using a tablet rather than a laptop mainly do to convenience. Unless Microsoft comes up with something truly new and revolutionary the next mainstream OS will be iOS or Android. Right now we are in a transitional phase. A lot of people have both. They have their desktop or their laptop running some flavor of Windows, and have either a phone or tablet running some mobile OS like Android or iOS. Sooner or later I look for the balance to shift towards the mobile market since it isn't really necessary to own a laptop to read e-mail, browse the web, listen to music, or read someone's favorite e-books. All of those things can be easily performed on most phones and tablets, and it only makes sense the market will shift in that direction sooner or later. Cheers! On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: won't happen, a lot of mainstream people use ms and that is where the issues lie. a lot of the world is on the go but there is the smaller nitch who is not necessarily on the go. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Yes me too. I think though if you develop for ubuntu since it is number 2 on distrowatch.com page hit rankings you would get most of the linux market that way. On 10/26/2014 9:15 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, I use Gnome-Shell 3.12 standard. I don't use the fallback mode etc. I prefer to use the stock desktop when and where possible. cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: hi thomas, do you use gnome shell 3.12 or the fallback mode? I use the gnome shell where you press control alt tab to get to the different options and things. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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so if we all have tablets like IOS or android how will school students write their 5 to 20 page papers? How will people who like to tinker and run virtual machines do that on a IOS tablet? How will the hard-core gamers play their games on the big screen with racing wheels joysticks and big screens or their wireless gaming controllers? On 10/26/2014 9:34 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, While I can identify with newer tech being alien, strange to someone who is use to something else, the fact of the matter is people need to be flexible. Need to learn to roll with the change, because new tech is always coming out and it isn't wise to get use to any particular technology as it can and will change at some point. I am a man in his mid 30's and I can say much has changed between when I started school and now. When I was in elementary school the greatest thing was the Apple II-E. A lot of people who could afford one had one, and those who didn't could use one at school which I did. Now days a person's iPhone is light years ahead of anything we had in the mid 80's, and I foresee a day in the not too distant future where desktops, laptops, etc will be more or less a thing of the past. Most people will probably have tablets running iOS, Android, or Windows. computers as we understand them now will be reserved for businesses where it would be impractical to type via touchscreen or run a computer for 8 to 12 hours a day in an office. So it seems to me to be prudent to begin thinking about that change and preparing for it by learning those skills now rather than later. As far as anyone thinking keyboards suck that sounds to me that person is pretty narrow minded. While touchscreens are nice and handy different input methods are available precisely because they are better at different things. Its not a case of either/or but a case of use the input method that does the best job at the time. Nobody is going to want to write a 500 page novel on a touchscreen, in fact would be a bit crazy, but is no problem on a keyboard. Likewise there is no argument that touchscreens are freer nice because they are like having a mouse and keyboard in one device, allowing movement around the screen, and are perfectly suited to browsing information, selecting a phone number from an addressbook, for pointing to screen elements and activating them, but are lousy at large amounts of input such as writing a novel. Only a stupid ignorant sod would say one input method is better than the other without first considering the use it is being put to. Cheers! On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I agree josh, I had to do for a customer a general cleanout of windows and update and install of some major systems. I also had to run a couple clearout programs which I did overnight. I did not like win8, and while I was able with a bit of help get win 8.1 up, I worked through the night to get the system ready for a morning pickup,, because although I could have kept it for a wek or 2 win 8 really didn't settle with me and I wanted to get it out of the door asap! My cousin has had issues with his net and whenever that happens, and he can not log in he has no system access till he can get the networking which is why I really don't like the idea of an net account as my primary login without a fallback. that and the fact that after all the stories on us cert, about nas storage hacks, ssl3 hacks and online cloud hacks that I could be online unnecessarily. On this 7 box while I am online, I don't need to login to be online, in fact I can be offline full stop! if I do get this win8 or 10 or whatever I get next, then when I make the system go I will make sure that I turn off my router before installing for the first time. It seems the easiest way to get round making an ms account. i also don't like all my info just sitting there for any person to access and me not being in control. in 7 at least I can shut everything off delete all ms live files and say I don't want to be online. When I do all my payed work and other things, no drop box, no bt sync, no messenger no mail, nothing, when my nose hits that grindstone I don't want distractions at all! And that will include live tiles, its probable that I will end up with something like classic shell with win7 or xp start menu loaded and whatever classic adjustments I can get with a local account though I will be missing out on a lot of store features and metro apps its not like I hav needed them up to now, and I have used a desktop for the last 20 years this way though I can see the potentual for the newer people that start its the same with the iphone, etc, I have never used a tablet so don't know what I am missing,. and since I have inherited another phone as long as I can spend the large load of cash on talks its probably what I will end up doing though I have used a tablet once and can see why people like it. Its all what you grow up with and I am sure if i was born now, that I'd
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also talkback and voiceover on the tablets will need to get a lot better. for papers and work and school they will need powerful features such as those you find in Jaws for windows. On 10/26/2014 1:16 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, Well, the speed and accuracy of typing on a touchscreen depends on the person. I have heard of some people who can type almost as fast on their touch device as a standard keyboard. So I'm not sure if I'd completely agree with your statement that it is slow. Certainly for a lot of people, but not necessarily for everyone. I might add that a person could write a paper for a class on their touch device, but I do agree it could get frustrating. They aren't designed for touch typing long documents of any kind and that is why blue tooth keyboards and so on exists. Sooner or later a person will need a keyboard for extended data entry and it can be done on tablets and phones provided they have a keyboard available for the device. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: try typing a paper on a touch screen for college or writing reports. it won't work and will frustrate you because typing on touch screen is slow. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
Hi Thomas, Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera. Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their laptop or tablet do the typing. Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture identification. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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you can get any version if you have the money. At 08:55 AM 10/26/2014, you wrote: if I have to I'll get a business license just so I can get the professional version of windows but really I think anyone can go get windows pro if they wish. its a bit more to buy but is worth it I think. On 10/26/2014 6:46 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, Honestly, I have no idea. However, I'll just say that the pro/business class software businesses use is and has always been different from what the home users get. You know that the home version is often lacking features that pro, business, and ultimate has. My guess is when it comes to Microsoft accounts businesses may get some sort of break or slightly different policy than the usual home version that ships on laptops and desktop machines. However, that is just a guess on my part. Cheers! On 10/25/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: and do you really think businesses are gunna want to use microsoft accounts for everything? I would not. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
and if the dictation gets your spelling wrong? editing may be a bit of a pain on a touch only device. And what if you want to write something down in a busy public place with lots of noise? sort of difficult using dictation only due to heavy background noise. On 10/26/2014 2:01 PM, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Thomas, Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera. Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their laptop or tablet do the typing. Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture identification. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
Keyboards will be around for a long time. There's a lot of skills, like programming and gaming, which really just can't use dictation effectively. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: and if the dictation gets your spelling wrong? editing may be a bit of a pain on a touch only device. And what if you want to write something down in a busy public place with lots of noise? sort of difficult using dictation only due to heavy background noise. On 10/26/2014 2:01 PM, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Thomas, Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera. Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their laptop or tablet do the typing. Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture identification. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
Hi Phil, I suppose that is always possible. I'm seeing more and more voice dictation all the time, and although I can't really use it myself I do see the mainstream using it as a replacement for keyboard input in a few years. I hadn't thought about that issue before, but as voice dictation improves people are naturally going to use that over physical input devices like keyboards and touchscreens. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Phil Vlasak phi...@bex.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera. Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their laptop or tablet do the typing. Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture identification. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Can't run Awesome Homer
Hi Phil, The reason a person gets that message is because they changed or deleted a sound file. Or it didn't down load correctly. I would recommend running the uninawes.bat file to delete the existing files, down load a new copy of the winah4.exe file and install the game again. HTH BFN Jim Check my web site for my 35 free games. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Josh, I imagine for students they will write their reports and other lengthy documents by voice dictation or by using a blue tooth keyboard. I doubt they'll do so using a touchscreen and will choose to use some alternate input method for doing their school work on a tablet. As for hard core gamers they'll probably continue to use dedicated consoles like XBox, Play Station, Wii, etc for games. Tablets have games, but nothing on par with what is available for the console. Even so there are ways to use your iPhone and iPad with a large TV screen so if someone really wants to they can use their TV etc as a monitor rather than depending on the built in screen for gaming. As for virtual machines and tablets dream on. They aren't designed for that sort of thing. Never were, and I doubt ever will. They have limited storage capacity, don't have enough RAM and CPU power for virtual machines, and I just don't see people doing that unless they absolutely had to. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: so if we all have tablets like IOS or android how will school students write their 5 to 20 page papers? How will people who like to tinker and run virtual machines do that on a IOS tablet? How will the hard-core gamers play their games on the big screen with racing wheels joysticks and big screens or their wireless gaming controllers? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] a polite request.
Hi friends I am not able to defeat Mr drake in entombed. and he is swallowing my body parts. So kindly provide me an excellent recording of drake battle. anything will be highly appreciated specially stratagies and if someone provide me the recording I will be thankfull for the particular person. My highest expectation from Mr ward the moderator of this list. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
I think Josh has a point. I tend to use dictation on my Iphone sinse my bluetooth keyboard is a bit large to carry and dictation is easier than the onscreen keyboard, however it tends to be less than efficient and often I have to go back with the on screen keyboard and edit. Then there is the fact that with my typing speed I actually can type as quickly as I would speak, indeed a few years ago when I utterly lost my voice I was able to communicate just by typing and having supernova set to speak every word that I typed. That is why I do not write e-mails, or play If or muds on my Iphone, sinse for efficiency a keyboard is best. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
Hi Dennis. Don't forget abbreviations and aliases. Even if it were possible for me to play alter by saying get stone from bag, summon demon familiar red with stone it's still quicker for me to type sdfred :D. I suspect this is where keyboards will hang on, for short hand and quickness. Beware the gRue! Dark. Take them to the refirbished chamber that was once bad! - Original Message - From: Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech Keyboards will be around for a long time. There's a lot of skills, like programming and gaming, which really just can't use dictation effectively. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: and if the dictation gets your spelling wrong? editing may be a bit of a pain on a touch only device. And what if you want to write something down in a busy public place with lots of noise? sort of difficult using dictation only due to heavy background noise. On 10/26/2014 2:01 PM, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Thomas, Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera. Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their laptop or tablet do the typing. Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture identification. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
Hi Tom. I do think keyboards will hang on as I said, though for many blind and vi computer users if it were possible to access functions without having to scrabble around with a screen reader, or poke around a touch screen for icons that would be very useful, indeed it would help with a lot of user interface problems sinse you'd no longer need to worry about where is so and so in this new os or similar. I can already say to siri open the ap store or phone my brother and indeed I usualy use Siri this way to phone people sinse it's easier than running through my big list of contats. One interesting thought however, is that if dictation does go to it's ultimate conclusion to the point that you can access anything via dictation, there will need to be a backup. What do you do at work, or at night when you don't want to wake someone up? While there will probably still be a touch screen, likely if people are used to speaking to their computers this probably will be a less efficient interface for accessing everything, sinse if people have been talking to their machines how will they know under which set of sub menus say control center settings is, so people will need a way of conveying information to the computer in a wway that is like speech but in situations where speech is not possible. Bring back the C prompt! :D. Whether people will be using keyboards or some varient of an on screen keyboard I don't know, but if computers get sophisticated enough so that speech becomes the medium of interaction and people are no longer having to use a language of learnt symbols and nested information, well what is like speech but not speech, writing! :D. And things go full circle :d. Of course I'm not sure on this. I suspect that sinse most sighted people still respond to images over writing the gui will still be around in a usable form, even if the gui is more limited than the speech access, but still it'd be a nice thought and rather ironic. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
try doing dictation in a noisy environment. it won't work well at all. On 10/26/2014 3:04 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Phil, I suppose that is always possible. I'm seeing more and more voice dictation all the time, and although I can't really use it myself I do see the mainstream using it as a replacement for keyboard input in a few years. I hadn't thought about that issue before, but as voice dictation improves people are naturally going to use that over physical input devices like keyboards and touchscreens. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Phil Vlasak phi...@bex.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera. Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their laptop or tablet do the typing. Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture identification. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a polite request.
Hi Ishen. I don't have a recording of the drake but I can give you some advice. The drake is big, tough, hard to damage, however he has one weakness. There is only one of him. My usual stratogy is to focus not on killing the drake with big attacks, but on stopping him killing me while I chip away at his health. So scrolls like sleep, weaken and slow, abilities like hide, Shrinking the drake and then knocking him over meaning he'll need to spend a turn standing, the mending and battle songs of the bard can all come in handy. Usually I have one character attacking the drake, say an assassin, a monk or a necro, one character handing out healing potions, and one character either using scrolls or acting a secondary attacker. It's hard to suggest without knowing your party, but basically focus on making your party strong and what abilities complement each other, for example, using the assassin's crytical hits and sneak attack, or the monk's iron skin, multiple attacks and unarmed. Dont' just try to go for big damage, but think in terms of tactics, try to make the drake lose and keep your own party going. Once, in an early version of entombed (and one where Jason rather over powered the drake), I defeated him by having a mage shrink the drake, grow my ogre brawler, then having the brawler continually use tackle on the drake keeping him on the ground. On another occasion, I got my wolf killed earlier on, then had my druid cast lightning thus leading to a zombie wolf on my side, who then bit the drake and rotted him to death (that was hilarious). Use everything and anything you have, scrolls, magic potions, weapons with interesting affects, and think carefully. If you just keep hitting attack attack, your bound to lose, it takes stratogy to kill the Drake. If worst comes to absolute worst, you can hear where the drake is, so go down the dungeon a few levels and then come back and deal with him with a stronger party. I've heard this is how some people deal with him, though I've never done that myself as to me dealing with the drake on level 8 where you find him is all part of the challenge of the game. Hth. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a polite request.
do they still sell entombed? or has it been discontinued? On 10/26/2014 4:12 PM, dark wrote: Hi Ishen. I don't have a recording of the drake but I can give you some advice. The drake is big, tough, hard to damage, however he has one weakness. There is only one of him. My usual stratogy is to focus not on killing the drake with big attacks, but on stopping him killing me while I chip away at his health. So scrolls like sleep, weaken and slow, abilities like hide, Shrinking the drake and then knocking him over meaning he'll need to spend a turn standing, the mending and battle songs of the bard can all come in handy. Usually I have one character attacking the drake, say an assassin, a monk or a necro, one character handing out healing potions, and one character either using scrolls or acting a secondary attacker. It's hard to suggest without knowing your party, but basically focus on making your party strong and what abilities complement each other, for example, using the assassin's crytical hits and sneak attack, or the monk's iron skin, multiple attacks and unarmed. Dont' just try to go for big damage, but think in terms of tactics, try to make the drake lose and keep your own party going. Once, in an early version of entombed (and one where Jason rather over powered the drake), I defeated him by having a mage shrink the drake, grow my ogre brawler, then having the brawler continually use tackle on the drake keeping him on the ground. On another occasion, I got my wolf killed earlier on, then had my druid cast lightning thus leading to a zombie wolf on my side, who then bit the drake and rotted him to death (that was hilarious). Use everything and anything you have, scrolls, magic potions, weapons with interesting affects, and think carefully. If you just keep hitting attack attack, your bound to lose, it takes stratogy to kill the Drake. If worst comes to absolute worst, you can hear where the drake is, so go down the dungeon a few levels and then come back and deal with him with a stronger party. I've heard this is how some people deal with him, though I've never done that myself as to me dealing with the drake on level 8 where you find him is all part of the challenge of the game. Hth. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
but the hard core gamers cannot mod their games with a console. you cannot make game mods. On 10/26/2014 3:15 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, I imagine for students they will write their reports and other lengthy documents by voice dictation or by using a blue tooth keyboard. I doubt they'll do so using a touchscreen and will choose to use some alternate input method for doing their school work on a tablet. As for hard core gamers they'll probably continue to use dedicated consoles like XBox, Play Station, Wii, etc for games. Tablets have games, but nothing on par with what is available for the console. Even so there are ways to use your iPhone and iPad with a large TV screen so if someone really wants to they can use their TV etc as a monitor rather than depending on the built in screen for gaming. As for virtual machines and tablets dream on. They aren't designed for that sort of thing. Never were, and I doubt ever will. They have limited storage capacity, don't have enough RAM and CPU power for virtual machines, and I just don't see people doing that unless they absolutely had to. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: so if we all have tablets like IOS or android how will school students write their 5 to 20 page papers? How will people who like to tinker and run virtual machines do that on a IOS tablet? How will the hard-core gamers play their games on the big screen with racing wheels joysticks and big screens or their wireless gaming controllers? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
We have caller ID so that we know who is calling us, and we have answering machines either built into the phone or as a service from our provider so that we don't have to answer the phone. We have spell checkers so that we don't have to know how to spell. Screen readers and audio books replace the need for braille so we don't need to know how to read. Possibly, in the future, voice dictation and visual gestures may take the place of keyboards so we won't need to know how to type. With all of the skills that will be lost due to not being needed, is this a good thing? It's the dumbing down of humanity, getting worse and worse. Now, am I serious, or not?? To a degree, yes. Oh, I almost forgot one more: Calculators make learning math unnecessary. How many people do math in their heads anymore, or even know how to make change at a supermarket? What would they do if the cash register's power fails and they have to do anything manually? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech Hi Phil, I suppose that is always possible. I'm seeing more and more voice dictation all the time, and although I can't really use it myself I do see the mainstream using it as a replacement for keyboard input in a few years. I hadn't thought about that issue before, but as voice dictation improves people are naturally going to use that over physical input devices like keyboards and touchscreens. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Phil Vlasak phi...@bex.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera. Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their laptop or tablet do the typing. Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture identification. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
and what if you get a cold and lose your voice? At 06:59 AM 10/27/2014, you wrote: Hi Tom. I do think keyboards will hang on as I said, though for many blind and vi computer users if it were possible to access functions without having to scrabble around with a screen reader, or poke around a touch screen for icons that would be very useful, indeed it would help with a lot of user interface problems sinse you'd no longer need to worry about where is so and so in this new os or similar. I can already say to siri open the ap store or phone my brother and indeed I usualy use Siri this way to phone people sinse it's easier than running through my big list of contats. One interesting thought however, is that if dictation does go to it's ultimate conclusion to the point that you can access anything via dictation, there will need to be a backup. What do you do at work, or at night when you don't want to wake someone up? While there will probably still be a touch screen, likely if people are used to speaking to their computers this probably will be a less efficient interface for accessing everything, sinse if people have been talking to their machines how will they know under which set of sub menus say control center settings is, so people will need a way of conveying information to the computer in a wway that is like speech but in situations where speech is not possible. Bring back the C prompt! :D. Whether people will be using keyboards or some varient of an on screen keyboard I don't know, but if computers get sophisticated enough so that speech becomes the medium of interaction and people are no longer having to use a language of learnt symbols and nested information, well what is like speech but not speech, writing! :D. And things go full circle :d. Of course I'm not sure on this. I suspect that sinse most sighted people still respond to images over writing the gui will still be around in a usable form, even if the gui is more limited than the speech access, but still it'd be a nice thought and rather ironic. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
Hi Charlse. We have had the Braille vs screen reader debate before and I still disagree, if a person is listening to an audio book that is still reading if you ask me. likewise, if a person in the future writes a book vvia dictation that's still writing. It's content that matters. Is a great sheff today any the less of a sheff because they do not cut sticks, lay a fire, use a refrigerator, need to turn a spit, use a bellows to keep the fire going or anyth of the other things which in the past were necessary to cook? Heck no. If they are a great sheff we judge them by what they produce, not how they produce it. For me, a far greater concern is the standardization of methods of production and disemination which could influence creativity. In the same way as a sheff who only had access to tinned goods would not be as good a sheff as a sheff who could put their own individual stamp on fresh ingredience, I am concerned that kitbox creation methods and standardization (not to mention need to appeal to an increasingly small number of corporations which is a hole other debate), might have an adverse affect on creativity. If for example the dictation software couldn't handle fantasy names, or unusual punctuation that could be a major creative issue. That is why I personally believe written language and letters will continue sinse use of letters and punctuation allows the greatest diversity in creation, whether that's writing, coding or whatever, and why, while I don't agree about braille, I do not like the idea of everyone devolving into text speak sinse limitation of language also involves limitation of thought. I also get concerned over tools like madlibs, rhyming dictionary programs or synonym creators, and (to bring this back to games), if game creation became too limited. For example if the only thing on offer was customizations of console games based on choice, eg, creating a character by selecting from a huge bunch of elements, rather than allowing a platform where people could program their own games, or even create their own elements in a scripting language. Whether in the future the letters are typed, brailled, written with a pen, or selected from some sort of efficient on screen keyboard doesn't seem to matter to me, same with programming so long as the choice still exists and the end product can be as individualized. Ironically, a friend of mine who is a student of literature said people actually thought the same of the printing press. The arguement was if copies of a book could be instantly created by printing rather than painstakingly copied out by hand, this made the book less valuable and encouraged laziness on the part of the authors, as well as devaluing of the book on the part of the reader. Indeed apparently some holy orders forbade religious books to be printed, and the gutenberg Bible was actually banned in some parts of Europe. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
As I said steven that is why I think keyboard will still be around even if a full spoken interface were developed, although I do think a spoken interface would be a very good thing for Vi access in general. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
I know how to use an abacus so I'll survive. On 10/26/2014 3:46 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: We have caller ID so that we know who is calling us, and we have answering machines either built into the phone or as a service from our provider so that we don't have to answer the phone. We have spell checkers so that we don't have to know how to spell. Screen readers and audio books replace the need for braille so we don't need to know how to read. Possibly, in the future, voice dictation and visual gestures may take the place of keyboards so we won't need to know how to type. With all of the skills that will be lost due to not being needed, is this a good thing? It's the dumbing down of humanity, getting worse and worse. Now, am I serious, or not?? To a degree, yes. Oh, I almost forgot one more: Calculators make learning math unnecessary. How many people do math in their heads anymore, or even know how to make change at a supermarket? What would they do if the cash register's power fails and they have to do anything manually? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech Hi Phil, I suppose that is always possible. I'm seeing more and more voice dictation all the time, and although I can't really use it myself I do see the mainstream using it as a replacement for keyboard input in a few years. I hadn't thought about that issue before, but as voice dictation improves people are naturally going to use that over physical input devices like keyboards and touchscreens. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Phil Vlasak phi...@bex.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera. Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their laptop or tablet do the typing. Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture identification. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
yes I can use an abacus slate and stylus and perkins brailler very well. On 10/26/2014 3:46 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: We have caller ID so that we know who is calling us, and we have answering machines either built into the phone or as a service from our provider so that we don't have to answer the phone. We have spell checkers so that we don't have to know how to spell. Screen readers and audio books replace the need for braille so we don't need to know how to read. Possibly, in the future, voice dictation and visual gestures may take the place of keyboards so we won't need to know how to type. With all of the skills that will be lost due to not being needed, is this a good thing? It's the dumbing down of humanity, getting worse and worse. Now, am I serious, or not?? To a degree, yes. Oh, I almost forgot one more: Calculators make learning math unnecessary. How many people do math in their heads anymore, or even know how to make change at a supermarket? What would they do if the cash register's power fails and they have to do anything manually? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech Hi Phil, I suppose that is always possible. I'm seeing more and more voice dictation all the time, and although I can't really use it myself I do see the mainstream using it as a replacement for keyboard input in a few years. I hadn't thought about that issue before, but as voice dictation improves people are naturally going to use that over physical input devices like keyboards and touchscreens. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Phil Vlasak phi...@bex.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera. Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their laptop or tablet do the typing. Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture identification. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
If you dictate and use a spell checker, you won't retain any sills at spelling that you may have been taught. Why write or type something when you can just say it? Same with reading. Why read when someone or something can read to you? Making change rather than relying on a machine to do it for long enough, and you won't be able to do it anymore. After all, why bother? Calculators decrease math skills. Let machines do everything for us, and we won't be able to do without them, and if they break, we're sunk more quickly than a torpedoed Lone Wolf sub Marine. By the way, on purpose, I made some spelling miss steaks in this message. Some were corrected by a spell checker, some weren't, because they are legitimate words that went through with no problems. If you were doing the reading, you caught them, but if you were listening, you probably didn't. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards,was Throwaway Tech Hi Charlse. We have had the Braille vs screen reader debate before and I still disagree, if a person is listening to an audio book that is still reading if you ask me. likewise, if a person in the future writes a book vvia dictation that's still writing. It's content that matters. Is a great sheff today any the less of a sheff because they do not cut sticks, lay a fire, use a refrigerator, need to turn a spit, use a bellows to keep the fire going or anyth of the other things which in the past were necessary to cook? Heck no. If they are a great sheff we judge them by what they produce, not how they produce it. For me, a far greater concern is the standardization of methods of production and disemination which could influence creativity. In the same way as a sheff who only had access to tinned goods would not be as good a sheff as a sheff who could put their own individual stamp on fresh ingredience, I am concerned that kitbox creation methods and standardization (not to mention need to appeal to an increasingly small number of corporations which is a hole other debate), might have an adverse affect on creativity. If for example the dictation software couldn't handle fantasy names, or unusual punctuation that could be a major creative issue. That is why I personally believe written language and letters will continue sinse use of letters and punctuation allows the greatest diversity in creation, whether that's writing, coding or whatever, and why, while I don't agree about braille, I do not like the idea of everyone devolving into text speak sinse limitation of language also involves limitation of thought. I also get concerned over tools like madlibs, rhyming dictionary programs or synonym creators, and (to bring this back to games), if game creation became too limited. For example if the only thing on offer was customizations of console games based on choice, eg, creating a character by selecting from a huge bunch of elements, rather than allowing a platform where people could program their own games, or even create their own elements in a scripting language. Whether in the future the letters are typed, brailled, written with a pen, or selected from some sort of efficient on screen keyboard doesn't seem to matter to me, same with programming so long as the choice still exists and the end product can be as individualized. Ironically, a friend of mine who is a student of literature said people actually thought the same of the printing press. The arguement was if copies of a book could be instantly created by printing rather than painstakingly copied out by hand, this made the book less valuable and encouraged laziness on the part of the authors, as well as devaluing of the book on the part of the reader. Indeed apparently some holy orders forbade religious books to be printed, and the gutenberg Bible was actually banned in some parts of Europe. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
If it wasn't for these so called machine doing the reading. Than thousands of books wouldn't be available for those to read even if you know brail. Because not all books are transferred to brail and not all readers have access to those books. That is why these machines do brail translation for those that want them.. At 05:30 PM 10/26/2014, you wrote: Hi Charlse. We have had the Braille vs screen reader debate before and I still disagree, if a person is listening to an audio book that is still reading if you ask me. likewise, if a person in the future writes a book vvia dictation that's still writing. It's content that matters. Is a great sheff today any the less of a sheff because they do not cut sticks, lay a fire, use a refrigerator, need to turn a spit, use a bellows to keep the fire going or anyth of the other things which in the past were necessary to cook? Heck no. If they are a great sheff we judge them by what they produce, not how they produce it. For me, a far greater concern is the standardization of methods of production and disemination which could influence creativity. In the same way as a sheff who only had access to tinned goods would not be as good a sheff as a sheff who could put their own individual stamp on fresh ingredience, I am concerned that kitbox creation methods and standardization (not to mention need to appeal to an increasingly small number of corporations which is a hole other debate), might have an adverse affect on creativity. If for example the dictation software couldn't handle fantasy names, or unusual punctuation that could be a major creative issue. That is why I personally believe written language and letters will continue sinse use of letters and punctuation allows the greatest diversity in creation, whether that's writing, coding or whatever, and why, while I don't agree about braille, I do not like the idea of everyone devolving into text speak sinse limitation of language also involves limitation of thought. I also get concerned over tools like madlibs, rhyming dictionary programs or synonym creators, and (to bring this back to games), if game creation became too limited. For example if the only thing on offer was customizations of console games based on choice, eg, creating a character by selecting from a huge bunch of elements, rather than allowing a platform where people could program their own games, or even create their own elements in a scripting language. Whether in the future the letters are typed, brailled, written with a pen, or selected from some sort of efficient on screen keyboard doesn't seem to matter to me, same with programming so long as the choice still exists and the end product can be as individualized. Ironically, a friend of mine who is a student of literature said people actually thought the same of the printing press. The arguement was if copies of a book could be instantly created by printing rather than painstakingly copied out by hand, this made the book less valuable and encouraged laziness on the part of the authors, as well as devaluing of the book on the part of the reader. Indeed apparently some holy orders forbade religious books to be printed, and the gutenberg Bible was actually banned in some parts of Europe. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
they not only mod the consoles but also the controllers. At 04:12 PM 10/26/2014, you wrote: but the hard core gamers cannot mod their games with a console. you cannot make game mods. On 10/26/2014 3:15 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, I imagine for students they will write their reports and other lengthy documents by voice dictation or by using a blue tooth keyboard. I doubt they'll do so using a touchscreen and will choose to use some alternate input method for doing their school work on a tablet. As for hard core gamers they'll probably continue to use dedicated consoles like XBox, Play Station, Wii, etc for games. Tablets have games, but nothing on par with what is available for the console. Even so there are ways to use your iPhone and iPad with a large TV screen so if someone really wants to they can use their TV etc as a monitor rather than depending on the built in screen for gaming. As for virtual machines and tablets dream on. They aren't designed for that sort of thing. Never were, and I doubt ever will. They have limited storage capacity, don't have enough RAM and CPU power for virtual machines, and I just don't see people doing that unless they absolutely had to. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: so if we all have tablets like IOS or android how will school students write their 5 to 20 page papers? How will people who like to tinker and run virtual machines do that on a IOS tablet? How will the hard-core gamers play their games on the big screen with racing wheels joysticks and big screens or their wireless gaming controllers? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
Like that happens a lot? At 05:11 PM 10/26/2014, you wrote: and what if you get a cold and lose your voice? At 06:59 AM 10/27/2014, you wrote: Hi Tom. I do think keyboards will hang on as I said, though for many blind and vi computer users if it were possible to access functions without having to scrabble around with a screen reader, or poke around a touch screen for icons that would be very useful, indeed it would help with a lot of user interface problems sinse you'd no longer need to worry about where is so and so in this new os or similar. I can already say to siri open the ap store or phone my brother and indeed I usualy use Siri this way to phone people sinse it's easier than running through my big list of contats. One interesting thought however, is that if dictation does go to it's ultimate conclusion to the point that you can access anything via dictation, there will need to be a backup. What do you do at work, or at night when you don't want to wake someone up? While there will probably still be a touch screen, likely if people are used to speaking to their computers this probably will be a less efficient interface for accessing everything, sinse if people have been talking to their machines how will they know under which set of sub menus say control center settings is, so people will need a way of conveying information to the computer in a wway that is like speech but in situations where speech is not possible. Bring back the C prompt! :D. Whether people will be using keyboards or some varient of an on screen keyboard I don't know, but if computers get sophisticated enough so that speech becomes the medium of interaction and people are no longer having to use a language of learnt symbols and nested information, well what is like speech but not speech, writing! :D. And things go full circle :d. Of course I'm not sure on this. I suspect that sinse most sighted people still respond to images over writing the gui will still be around in a usable form, even if the gui is more limited than the speech access, but still it'd be a nice thought and rather ironic. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
lets see we went from feather and ink well to pencil and ink pen to computer print. Looks like progress, because it wasn't dummies that built these devices. So only those that can't handle change grip the most about it. At 03:46 PM 10/26/2014, you wrote: We have caller ID so that we know who is calling us, and we have answering machines either built into the phone or as a service from our provider so that we don't have to answer the phone. We have spell checkers so that we don't have to know how to spell. Screen readers and audio books replace the need for braille so we don't need to know how to read. Possibly, in the future, voice dictation and visual gestures may take the place of keyboards so we won't need to know how to type. With all of the skills that will be lost due to not being needed, is this a good thing? It's the dumbing down of humanity, getting worse and worse. Now, am I serious, or not?? To a degree, yes. Oh, I almost forgot one more: Calculators make learning math unnecessary. How many people do math in their heads anymore, or even know how to make change at a supermarket? What would they do if the cash register's power fails and they have to do anything manually? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech Hi Phil, I suppose that is always possible. I'm seeing more and more voice dictation all the time, and although I can't really use it myself I do see the mainstream using it as a replacement for keyboard input in a few years. I hadn't thought about that issue before, but as voice dictation improves people are naturally going to use that over physical input devices like keyboards and touchscreens. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Phil Vlasak phi...@bex.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera. Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their laptop or tablet do the typing. Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture identification. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
in a way they have got rid of the manual keyboard with a virtual keyboard. You put this small box down and it puts a keyboard on any surface. your finger breaking the picture of the letter tells it what to send. Microsoft has had this xp came out. and lets not forget the puffer system. That lets you huff and puff your way on a virtual keyboard shown on the screen for those that are paralyzed. At 03:15 PM 10/26/2014, you wrote: Hi Josh, I imagine for students they will write their reports and other lengthy documents by voice dictation or by using a blue tooth keyboard. I doubt they'll do so using a touchscreen and will choose to use some alternate input method for doing their school work on a tablet. As for hard core gamers they'll probably continue to use dedicated consoles like XBox, Play Station, Wii, etc for games. Tablets have games, but nothing on par with what is available for the console. Even so there are ways to use your iPhone and iPad with a large TV screen so if someone really wants to they can use their TV etc as a monitor rather than depending on the built in screen for gaming. As for virtual machines and tablets dream on. They aren't designed for that sort of thing. Never were, and I doubt ever will. They have limited storage capacity, don't have enough RAM and CPU power for virtual machines, and I just don't see people doing that unless they absolutely had to. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: so if we all have tablets like IOS or android how will school students write their 5 to 20 page papers? How will people who like to tinker and run virtual machines do that on a IOS tablet? How will the hard-core gamers play their games on the big screen with racing wheels joysticks and big screens or their wireless gaming controllers? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
Hello Josh, Actually, they do mod the console games in a lot of cases. More and more console games are being modded and customized than you might think. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: but the hard core gamers cannot mod their games with a console. you cannot make game mods. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
There will always be keyboards around even if there only virtual. Just like cameras, you may have one on your phone, but they still make dedicated cameras for those jobs that need them. At 02:01 PM 10/26/2014, you wrote: Hi Thomas, Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera. Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their laptop or tablet do the typing. Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture identification. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
Hello Charles, Please, let's not start this debate all over again. I do believe we have had similar debates like this on the list before and it serves no point or purpose to bring it up again. Plus it is really drifting away from the topic of games. While I note your concern of people being dumbed down by technology honestly there isn't anything you or I can do about it. I also don't believe technology necessarily is the enemy or the problem here. It is people who are willing to rely exclusively on the technology instead of reinforcing their own capabilities who are the real problem. There are and probably always will be lazy people who will avoid manually doing anything if they can help it, and there will always be people who don't mind a little manual labor here and there. Getting on this list debating weather or not humanity is too dependent on modern technology isn't the way to deal with the situation in my opinion. So let's focus on gaming. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: We have caller ID so that we know who is calling us, and we have answering machines either built into the phone or as a service from our provider so that we don't have to answer the phone. We have spell checkers so that we don't have to know how to spell. Screen readers and audio books replace the need for braille so we don't need to know how to read. Possibly, in the future, voice dictation and visual gestures may take the place of keyboards so we won't need to know how to type. With all of the skills that will be lost due to not being needed, is this a good thing? It's the dumbing down of humanity, getting worse and worse. Now, am I serious, or not?? To a degree, yes. Oh, I almost forgot one more: Calculators make learning math unnecessary. How many people do math in their heads anymore, or even know how to make change at a supermarket? What would they do if the cash register's power fails and they have to do anything manually? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a polite request.
Yes, it's still definitely for sale. if you've not bought it yet I'd certainly recommend doing so sinse it's awsome. All the best, Dark. Take them to the refirbished chamber that was once bad! - Original Message - From: Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a polite request. do they still sell entombed? or has it been discontinued? On 10/26/2014 4:12 PM, dark wrote: Hi Ishen. I don't have a recording of the drake but I can give you some advice. The drake is big, tough, hard to damage, however he has one weakness. There is only one of him. My usual stratogy is to focus not on killing the drake with big attacks, but on stopping him killing me while I chip away at his health. So scrolls like sleep, weaken and slow, abilities like hide, Shrinking the drake and then knocking him over meaning he'll need to spend a turn standing, the mending and battle songs of the bard can all come in handy. Usually I have one character attacking the drake, say an assassin, a monk or a necro, one character handing out healing potions, and one character either using scrolls or acting a secondary attacker. It's hard to suggest without knowing your party, but basically focus on making your party strong and what abilities complement each other, for example, using the assassin's crytical hits and sneak attack, or the monk's iron skin, multiple attacks and unarmed. Dont' just try to go for big damage, but think in terms of tactics, try to make the drake lose and keep your own party going. Once, in an early version of entombed (and one where Jason rather over powered the drake), I defeated him by having a mage shrink the drake, grow my ogre brawler, then having the brawler continually use tackle on the drake keeping him on the ground. On another occasion, I got my wolf killed earlier on, then had my druid cast lightning thus leading to a zombie wolf on my side, who then bit the drake and rotted him to death (that was hilarious). Use everything and anything you have, scrolls, magic potions, weapons with interesting affects, and think carefully. If you just keep hitting attack attack, your bound to lose, it takes stratogy to kill the Drake. If worst comes to absolute worst, you can hear where the drake is, so go down the dungeon a few levels and then come back and deal with him with a stronger party. I've heard this is how some people deal with him, though I've never done that myself as to me dealing with the drake on level 8 where you find him is all part of the challenge of the game. Hth. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a polite request.
Ranger thief ftw. Hide, multi shot. Same deal with a fighter thief or thief fighter... instakill if you do it right. -- From: dark d...@xgam.org Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 4:12 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a polite request. Hi Ishen. I don't have a recording of the drake but I can give you some advice. The drake is big, tough, hard to damage, however he has one weakness. There is only one of him. My usual stratogy is to focus not on killing the drake with big attacks, but on stopping him killing me while I chip away at his health. So scrolls like sleep, weaken and slow, abilities like hide, Shrinking the drake and then knocking him over meaning he'll need to spend a turn standing, the mending and battle songs of the bard can all come in handy. Usually I have one character attacking the drake, say an assassin, a monk or a necro, one character handing out healing potions, and one character either using scrolls or acting a secondary attacker. It's hard to suggest without knowing your party, but basically focus on making your party strong and what abilities complement each other, for example, using the assassin's crytical hits and sneak attack, or the monk's iron skin, multiple attacks and unarmed. Dont' just try to go for big damage, but think in terms of tactics, try to make the drake lose and keep your own party going. Once, in an early version of entombed (and one where Jason rather over powered the drake), I defeated him by having a mage shrink the drake, grow my ogre brawler, then having the brawler continually use tackle on the drake keeping him on the ground. On another occasion, I got my wolf killed earlier on, then had my druid cast lightning thus leading to a zombie wolf on my side, who then bit the drake and rotted him to death (that was hilarious). Use everything and anything you have, scrolls, magic potions, weapons with interesting affects, and think carefully. If you just keep hitting attack attack, your bound to lose, it takes stratogy to kill the Drake. If worst comes to absolute worst, you can hear where the drake is, so go down the dungeon a few levels and then come back and deal with him with a stronger party. I've heard this is how some people deal with him, though I've never done that myself as to me dealing with the drake on level 8 where you find him is all part of the challenge of the game. Hth. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
I do a lot of math in my head... Also, have you ever seen some of the things spell check just happily skips right over? -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 3:46 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards,was Throwaway Tech We have caller ID so that we know who is calling us, and we have answering machines either built into the phone or as a service from our provider so that we don't have to answer the phone. We have spell checkers so that we don't have to know how to spell. Screen readers and audio books replace the need for braille so we don't need to know how to read. Possibly, in the future, voice dictation and visual gestures may take the place of keyboards so we won't need to know how to type. With all of the skills that will be lost due to not being needed, is this a good thing? It's the dumbing down of humanity, getting worse and worse. Now, am I serious, or not?? To a degree, yes. Oh, I almost forgot one more: Calculators make learning math unnecessary. How many people do math in their heads anymore, or even know how to make change at a supermarket? What would they do if the cash register's power fails and they have to do anything manually? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech Hi Phil, I suppose that is always possible. I'm seeing more and more voice dictation all the time, and although I can't really use it myself I do see the mainstream using it as a replacement for keyboard input in a few years. I hadn't thought about that issue before, but as voice dictation improves people are naturally going to use that over physical input devices like keyboards and touchscreens. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Phil Vlasak phi...@bex.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Keyboards? Soon they will be as obsolete as a film camera. Most people in a few years will be using dictation, letting their laptop or tablet do the typing. Most games will use voice input and output, or physical gesture identification. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
Never mind the $1 pricetag for some books. Doesn't matter how much you hate having something read to you on the computer, unless you're a milionaire, there's no way you're going to get the same reading list in hardcopy. -- From: tim z200...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 7:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech If it wasn't for these so called machine doing the reading. Than thousands of books wouldn't be available for those to read even if you know brail. Because not all books are transferred to brail and not all readers have access to those books. That is why these machines do brail translation for those that want them.. At 05:30 PM 10/26/2014, you wrote: Hi Charlse. We have had the Braille vs screen reader debate before and I still disagree, if a person is listening to an audio book that is still reading if you ask me. likewise, if a person in the future writes a book vvia dictation that's still writing. It's content that matters. Is a great sheff today any the less of a sheff because they do not cut sticks, lay a fire, use a refrigerator, need to turn a spit, use a bellows to keep the fire going or anyth of the other things which in the past were necessary to cook? Heck no. If they are a great sheff we judge them by what they produce, not how they produce it. For me, a far greater concern is the standardization of methods of production and disemination which could influence creativity. In the same way as a sheff who only had access to tinned goods would not be as good a sheff as a sheff who could put their own individual stamp on fresh ingredience, I am concerned that kitbox creation methods and standardization (not to mention need to appeal to an increasingly small number of corporations which is a hole other debate), might have an adverse affect on creativity. If for example the dictation software couldn't handle fantasy names, or unusual punctuation that could be a major creative issue. That is why I personally believe written language and letters will continue sinse use of letters and punctuation allows the greatest diversity in creation, whether that's writing, coding or whatever, and why, while I don't agree about braille, I do not like the idea of everyone devolving into text speak sinse limitation of language also involves limitation of thought. I also get concerned over tools like madlibs, rhyming dictionary programs or synonym creators, and (to bring this back to games), if game creation became too limited. For example if the only thing on offer was customizations of console games based on choice, eg, creating a character by selecting from a huge bunch of elements, rather than allowing a platform where people could program their own games, or even create their own elements in a scripting language. Whether in the future the letters are typed, brailled, written with a pen, or selected from some sort of efficient on screen keyboard doesn't seem to matter to me, same with programming so long as the choice still exists and the end product can be as individualized. Ironically, a friend of mine who is a student of literature said people actually thought the same of the printing press. The arguement was if copies of a book could be instantly created by printing rather than painstakingly copied out by hand, this made the book less valuable and encouraged laziness on the part of the authors, as well as devaluing of the book on the part of the reader. Indeed apparently some holy orders forbade religious books to be printed, and the gutenberg Bible was actually banned in some parts of Europe. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All
Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
Na, I was listening (eloquence at 80%) and caught a bunch of them just fine. Its all about how much attention you pay. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards,was Throwaway Tech If you dictate and use a spell checker, you won't retain any sills at spelling that you may have been taught. Why write or type something when you can just say it? Same with reading. Why read when someone or something can read to you? Making change rather than relying on a machine to do it for long enough, and you won't be able to do it anymore. After all, why bother? Calculators decrease math skills. Let machines do everything for us, and we won't be able to do without them, and if they break, we're sunk more quickly than a torpedoed Lone Wolf sub Marine. By the way, on purpose, I made some spelling miss steaks in this message. Some were corrected by a spell checker, some weren't, because they are legitimate words that went through with no problems. If you were doing the reading, you caught them, but if you were listening, you probably didn't. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards,was Throwaway Tech Hi Charlse. We have had the Braille vs screen reader debate before and I still disagree, if a person is listening to an audio book that is still reading if you ask me. likewise, if a person in the future writes a book vvia dictation that's still writing. It's content that matters. Is a great sheff today any the less of a sheff because they do not cut sticks, lay a fire, use a refrigerator, need to turn a spit, use a bellows to keep the fire going or anyth of the other things which in the past were necessary to cook? Heck no. If they are a great sheff we judge them by what they produce, not how they produce it. For me, a far greater concern is the standardization of methods of production and disemination which could influence creativity. In the same way as a sheff who only had access to tinned goods would not be as good a sheff as a sheff who could put their own individual stamp on fresh ingredience, I am concerned that kitbox creation methods and standardization (not to mention need to appeal to an increasingly small number of corporations which is a hole other debate), might have an adverse affect on creativity. If for example the dictation software couldn't handle fantasy names, or unusual punctuation that could be a major creative issue. That is why I personally believe written language and letters will continue sinse use of letters and punctuation allows the greatest diversity in creation, whether that's writing, coding or whatever, and why, while I don't agree about braille, I do not like the idea of everyone devolving into text speak sinse limitation of language also involves limitation of thought. I also get concerned over tools like madlibs, rhyming dictionary programs or synonym creators, and (to bring this back to games), if game creation became too limited. For example if the only thing on offer was customizations of console games based on choice, eg, creating a character by selecting from a huge bunch of elements, rather than allowing a platform where people could program their own games, or even create their own elements in a scripting language. Whether in the future the letters are typed, brailled, written with a pen, or selected from some sort of efficient on screen keyboard doesn't seem to matter to me, same with programming so long as the choice still exists and the end product can be as individualized. Ironically, a friend of mine who is a student of literature said people actually thought the same of the printing press. The arguement was if copies of a book could be instantly created by printing rather than painstakingly copied out by hand, this made the book less valuable and encouraged laziness on the part of the authors, as well as devaluing of the book on the part of the reader. Indeed apparently some holy orders forbade religious books to be printed, and the gutenberg Bible was actually banned in some parts of Europe. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the
Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
To me that is a narrow definition of reading charlse. If an author wrote the words and I understand them, I've read them, heck even when I used to read books in braille I always imagined the sound of the words in my brain rather than just picking up on the letters. For a sighted person, it is slightly different, but given the time it takes to read something in braille why take the time? If you think these old skills are so valuable, well do you have central heating in your home or do you go out, chop down trees and put them on a fire? Do you go out and hunt creatures in the forest with a spear? sinse hay, what would you do without electricity. Unless tactile display can catch up with technology, (which I hope it does), I don't personally see braille surviving as a medium sinse the majority of things it can do for conveying information can be done far more easily and cheaply by a screen reader. As regards speaking, well as I said I could see a problem if the software is too dictatorial, but if you could for example specify your punctuation and spell your fantasy names to the software so you would have the same creative freedom with your text as you would when typing, well what is the problem? Beware the Grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
Hi Tim, I agree. I'm pretty sure keyboards will still be around and available in some form. Either a virtual one on the device or a physical one that can be connected to the device, but I hardly think they'll totally go to voice dictation. for one thing as others have said dictation isn't very good in crowded areas such as stores, offices, or a noisy living room so people will need another reliable form of entry for their devices that isn't effected by background noise. Another reason could be various speech impediments. It isn't something that applies to everyone, of course, but there are millions of people who have troubles speaking in some form or another. Some people are born def and are unable to speak or their speech is a little unclear. There are people who stutter which screws up voice dictation. There probably are others that aren't coming to mind right now and for those people there will need to be an alternative input method besides speech. What I in vision happening is voice dictation methods will improve, become a common or standard way for people to input data into their device, but blue tooth keyboards etc will still be available for those who want or need it. The technology just won't phase out of existence unless there is truly an equivalent input method, and right now I don't see one that works as well as a keyboard for all situations. Cheers! On 10/26/14, tim z200...@gmail.com wrote: There will always be keyboards around even if there only virtual. Just like cameras, you may have one on your phone, but they still make dedicated cameras for those jobs that need them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a polite request.
The only problem with rangers is that ranged weapons suck at lower levels sinse the wooden arrows are so soft they do virtually no damage after you pass floor 15 or so. A shame really sinse your right, multishot is awsome, especially if you have cryticial hits or sneak attack. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a polite request.
Hello Ishan, While I could probably record a battle with the Drake there is something you need to understand here about Entombed. There is no single strategy or set of skills you can use to beat the Drake. A lot of it takes practice, experience, and a bit of guess work because every single game is going to be different. So If I recorded a battle with the Drake right now, gave it to you, chances are your experience would be totally different. To start with your party changes from game to game. As a result my party will have different characters with different skills and will be able to base my strategy around their skills and skill levels. therefore if you have a different party, which you will, almost everything I do probably won't apply to your game. Also weapons and scrolls are different from game to game. I always plan my strategy as I go. I use whatever I have at hand weather it is a shrink scroll to make the Drake smaller, or a magic sword to do heavy damage, or something else I can't just say do x, y, and z because you probably won't have the same items I have. Bottom line, the game changes so much from game to game I don't think recording a battle will do you a bit of good. It will just be entertainment value, and won't really apply to your specific situation. What you need to do is basically focus what you have on his head, attack that, and hopefully go for a quick kill. Otherwise go down a few levels, build up your strength, and come back to fight the Drake later. Cheers! On 10/26/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi friends I am not able to defeat Mr drake in entombed. and he is swallowing my body parts. So kindly provide me an excellent recording of drake battle. anything will be highly appreciated specially stratagies and if someone provide me the recording I will be thankfull for the particular person. My highest expectation from Mr ward the moderator of this list. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] voice kews in games
sinse we've been discussing voice activation for new technology in a general sense, I wondered what people thought about the possibilities of voice control for games, after all this is something that has already started on mainstream consoles and a couple of indi games such as codename signus. So, I wonder what people think a good use of speech control for games would be. A voice activated arcade game could be entertaining and provide a lot of atmosphere, imagine a racing game where your yelling left! left! now breeak! or a sort of Dj style boppit game where your saying in rythm hit it! pull it! or whatever. however the major field I see for voice working in is stratogy games and rpgs. generally you can speak faster than you can type, and definitely faster than you can find and hit controls. sinse however speech is a manifestly more complex method of input than just hitting buttons, and doesn't have the disadvantage of having a relativistic speed and being commonly missunderstood the way fast typed keyboard inputs do, I wonder if speech in a mud or real time stratogy game could be fun, especially sinse you could have your hands on the touch screen or keyboard controls doing other things. Imagine for example an rpg where you used the keyboard to launche physical attacks such as sword thrusts in response to real time audio, but used your voice to wield magic. This could be quite a lot of fun, because the essential physical combat could then work in an arcade style and the complexity could occur at the metter level of your speech. For example the arcade fighting part of the game could be similar to blind swordsman, ie, hear a sword swing and block, but you could then use your voice to say Cast ice blade! or similar. Similarly, imagine a real time time of conflict style stratogy where you could give all your orders vocally. you could be reviewing the map with your fingers or curser keys, but could give orders as you did it rather than having to pause the game and input commands. Of course the disadvantage is I don't know whether this technology would exists sinse the hole chat and gaming thing is also very common at the moment and certainly on mainstream consoles mikes are more commonly for voice chat with other online players than voice commands to the game, but I thought it was a fun idea. Obviously for access reasons as Tom said earlier there would need to be more traditional alternatives in such games, but I did think it was an interesting possibility to speculate on. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a polite request.
Hi Dark, The Drake is on level 7 not level 8. Cheers! On 10/26/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Ishen. I don't have a recording of the drake but I can give you some advice. The drake is big, tough, hard to damage, however he has one weakness. There is only one of him. My usual stratogy is to focus not on killing the drake with big attacks, but on stopping him killing me while I chip away at his health. So scrolls like sleep, weaken and slow, abilities like hide, Shrinking the drake and then knocking him over meaning he'll need to spend a turn standing, the mending and battle songs of the bard can all come in handy. Usually I have one character attacking the drake, say an assassin, a monk or a necro, one character handing out healing potions, and one character either using scrolls or acting a secondary attacker. It's hard to suggest without knowing your party, but basically focus on making your party strong and what abilities complement each other, for example, using the assassin's crytical hits and sneak attack, or the monk's iron skin, multiple attacks and unarmed. Dont' just try to go for big damage, but think in terms of tactics, try to make the drake lose and keep your own party going. Once, in an early version of entombed (and one where Jason rather over powered the drake), I defeated him by having a mage shrink the drake, grow my ogre brawler, then having the brawler continually use tackle on the drake keeping him on the ground. On another occasion, I got my wolf killed earlier on, then had my druid cast lightning thus leading to a zombie wolf on my side, who then bit the drake and rotted him to death (that was hilarious). Use everything and anything you have, scrolls, magic potions, weapons with interesting affects, and think carefully. If you just keep hitting attack attack, your bound to lose, it takes stratogy to kill the Drake. If worst comes to absolute worst, you can hear where the drake is, so go down the dungeon a few levels and then come back and deal with him with a stronger party. I've heard this is how some people deal with him, though I've never done that myself as to me dealing with the drake on level 8 where you find him is all part of the challenge of the game. Hth. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a polite request.
Hi Tom. That is true. Sorry it's been a while sinse I last played entombed, though i agree with your last post, it's the need to continually formulate ongoing stratogy and cope with what you find that makes entombed such an awsome game, imho that is far more interesting than just having to plan out everything and minimax and then have a boring hit attack as in most rpgs I've had access too. Actually I'd love to see more games take on this approach, throw things at you and have you judge how to deal with them, sinse it's a far more interesting way of playing. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
I guess if you want a braille display or embosser you have to buy one on ebay and hope that it works. On 10/26/2014 7:18 PM, tim wrote: If it wasn't for these so called machine doing the reading. Than thousands of books wouldn't be available for those to read even if you know brail. Because not all books are transferred to brail and not all readers have access to those books. That is why these machines do brail translation for those that want them.. At 05:30 PM 10/26/2014, you wrote: Hi Charlse. We have had the Braille vs screen reader debate before and I still disagree, if a person is listening to an audio book that is still reading if you ask me. likewise, if a person in the future writes a book vvia dictation that's still writing. It's content that matters. Is a great sheff today any the less of a sheff because they do not cut sticks, lay a fire, use a refrigerator, need to turn a spit, use a bellows to keep the fire going or anyth of the other things which in the past were necessary to cook? Heck no. If they are a great sheff we judge them by what they produce, not how they produce it. For me, a far greater concern is the standardization of methods of production and disemination which could influence creativity. In the same way as a sheff who only had access to tinned goods would not be as good a sheff as a sheff who could put their own individual stamp on fresh ingredience, I am concerned that kitbox creation methods and standardization (not to mention need to appeal to an increasingly small number of corporations which is a hole other debate), might have an adverse affect on creativity. If for example the dictation software couldn't handle fantasy names, or unusual punctuation that could be a major creative issue. That is why I personally believe written language and letters will continue sinse use of letters and punctuation allows the greatest diversity in creation, whether that's writing, coding or whatever, and why, while I don't agree about braille, I do not like the idea of everyone devolving into text speak sinse limitation of language also involves limitation of thought. I also get concerned over tools like madlibs, rhyming dictionary programs or synonym creators, and (to bring this back to games), if game creation became too limited. For example if the only thing on offer was customizations of console games based on choice, eg, creating a character by selecting from a huge bunch of elements, rather than allowing a platform where people could program their own games, or even create their own elements in a scripting language. Whether in the future the letters are typed, brailled, written with a pen, or selected from some sort of efficient on screen keyboard doesn't seem to matter to me, same with programming so long as the choice still exists and the end product can be as individualized. Ironically, a friend of mine who is a student of literature said people actually thought the same of the printing press. The arguement was if copies of a book could be instantly created by printing rather than painstakingly copied out by hand, this made the book less valuable and encouraged laziness on the part of the authors, as well as devaluing of the book on the part of the reader. Indeed apparently some holy orders forbade religious books to be printed, and the gutenberg Bible was actually banned in some parts of Europe. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
I did not know you could mod game consoles. On 10/26/2014 7:20 PM, tim wrote: they not only mod the consoles but also the controllers. At 04:12 PM 10/26/2014, you wrote: but the hard core gamers cannot mod their games with a console. you cannot make game mods. On 10/26/2014 3:15 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, I imagine for students they will write their reports and other lengthy documents by voice dictation or by using a blue tooth keyboard. I doubt they'll do so using a touchscreen and will choose to use some alternate input method for doing their school work on a tablet. As for hard core gamers they'll probably continue to use dedicated consoles like XBox, Play Station, Wii, etc for games. Tablets have games, but nothing on par with what is available for the console. Even so there are ways to use your iPhone and iPad with a large TV screen so if someone really wants to they can use their TV etc as a monitor rather than depending on the built in screen for gaming. As for virtual machines and tablets dream on. They aren't designed for that sort of thing. Never were, and I doubt ever will. They have limited storage capacity, don't have enough RAM and CPU power for virtual machines, and I just don't see people doing that unless they absolutely had to. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: so if we all have tablets like IOS or android how will school students write their 5 to 20 page papers? How will people who like to tinker and run virtual machines do that on a IOS tablet? How will the hard-core gamers play their games on the big screen with racing wheels joysticks and big screens or their wireless gaming controllers? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
or if we had much cheaper braille displays then we would have more access to braille. for all the complaining the nfb does about pushing braille literacy, they are not doing anything to make braille printers and braille displays more affordable. On 10/26/2014 7:18 PM, tim wrote: If it wasn't for these so called machine doing the reading. Than thousands of books wouldn't be available for those to read even if you know brail. Because not all books are transferred to brail and not all readers have access to those books. That is why these machines do brail translation for those that want them.. At 05:30 PM 10/26/2014, you wrote: Hi Charlse. We have had the Braille vs screen reader debate before and I still disagree, if a person is listening to an audio book that is still reading if you ask me. likewise, if a person in the future writes a book vvia dictation that's still writing. It's content that matters. Is a great sheff today any the less of a sheff because they do not cut sticks, lay a fire, use a refrigerator, need to turn a spit, use a bellows to keep the fire going or anyth of the other things which in the past were necessary to cook? Heck no. If they are a great sheff we judge them by what they produce, not how they produce it. For me, a far greater concern is the standardization of methods of production and disemination which could influence creativity. In the same way as a sheff who only had access to tinned goods would not be as good a sheff as a sheff who could put their own individual stamp on fresh ingredience, I am concerned that kitbox creation methods and standardization (not to mention need to appeal to an increasingly small number of corporations which is a hole other debate), might have an adverse affect on creativity. If for example the dictation software couldn't handle fantasy names, or unusual punctuation that could be a major creative issue. That is why I personally believe written language and letters will continue sinse use of letters and punctuation allows the greatest diversity in creation, whether that's writing, coding or whatever, and why, while I don't agree about braille, I do not like the idea of everyone devolving into text speak sinse limitation of language also involves limitation of thought. I also get concerned over tools like madlibs, rhyming dictionary programs or synonym creators, and (to bring this back to games), if game creation became too limited. For example if the only thing on offer was customizations of console games based on choice, eg, creating a character by selecting from a huge bunch of elements, rather than allowing a platform where people could program their own games, or even create their own elements in a scripting language. Whether in the future the letters are typed, brailled, written with a pen, or selected from some sort of efficient on screen keyboard doesn't seem to matter to me, same with programming so long as the choice still exists and the end product can be as individualized. Ironically, a friend of mine who is a student of literature said people actually thought the same of the printing press. The arguement was if copies of a book could be instantly created by printing rather than painstakingly copied out by hand, this made the book less valuable and encouraged laziness on the part of the authors, as well as devaluing of the book on the part of the reader. Indeed apparently some holy orders forbade religious books to be printed, and the gutenberg Bible was actually banned in some parts of Europe. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
too bad there's not some sort of custom console OS that you flash onto your console and once flashed, the console is accessible with accessible games you can buy from between $5 and $20 or so. I would love that! On 10/26/2014 7:35 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello Josh, Actually, they do mod the console games in a lot of cases. More and more console games are being modded and customized than you might think. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: but the hard core gamers cannot mod their games with a console. you cannot make game mods. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a polite request.
and do they keep updating entombed also? I bought it back in 2010 or 2009 or so and forget my username and things. I'll just buy it over because my email has changed since back then. On 10/26/2014 8:03 PM, dark wrote: Yes, it's still definitely for sale. if you've not bought it yet I'd certainly recommend doing so sinse it's awsome. All the best, Dark. Take them to the refirbished chamber that was once bad! - Original Message - From: Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a polite request. do they still sell entombed? or has it been discontinued? On 10/26/2014 4:12 PM, dark wrote: Hi Ishen. I don't have a recording of the drake but I can give you some advice. The drake is big, tough, hard to damage, however he has one weakness. There is only one of him. My usual stratogy is to focus not on killing the drake with big attacks, but on stopping him killing me while I chip away at his health. So scrolls like sleep, weaken and slow, abilities like hide, Shrinking the drake and then knocking him over meaning he'll need to spend a turn standing, the mending and battle songs of the bard can all come in handy. Usually I have one character attacking the drake, say an assassin, a monk or a necro, one character handing out healing potions, and one character either using scrolls or acting a secondary attacker. It's hard to suggest without knowing your party, but basically focus on making your party strong and what abilities complement each other, for example, using the assassin's crytical hits and sneak attack, or the monk's iron skin, multiple attacks and unarmed. Dont' just try to go for big damage, but think in terms of tactics, try to make the drake lose and keep your own party going. Once, in an early version of entombed (and one where Jason rather over powered the drake), I defeated him by having a mage shrink the drake, grow my ogre brawler, then having the brawler continually use tackle on the drake keeping him on the ground. On another occasion, I got my wolf killed earlier on, then had my druid cast lightning thus leading to a zombie wolf on my side, who then bit the drake and rotted him to death (that was hilarious). Use everything and anything you have, scrolls, magic potions, weapons with interesting affects, and think carefully. If you just keep hitting attack attack, your bound to lose, it takes stratogy to kill the Drake. If worst comes to absolute worst, you can hear where the drake is, so go down the dungeon a few levels and then come back and deal with him with a stronger party. I've heard this is how some people deal with him, though I've never done that myself as to me dealing with the drake on level 8 where you find him is all part of the challenge of the game. Hth. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
how can a synthesizer teach you spelling? On 10/26/2014 8:13 PM, dark wrote: To me that is a narrow definition of reading charlse. If an author wrote the words and I understand them, I've read them, heck even when I used to read books in braille I always imagined the sound of the words in my brain rather than just picking up on the letters. For a sighted person, it is slightly different, but given the time it takes to read something in braille why take the time? If you think these old skills are so valuable, well do you have central heating in your home or do you go out, chop down trees and put them on a fire? Do you go out and hunt creatures in the forest with a spear? sinse hay, what would you do without electricity. Unless tactile display can catch up with technology, (which I hope it does), I don't personally see braille surviving as a medium sinse the majority of things it can do for conveying information can be done far more easily and cheaply by a screen reader. As regards speaking, well as I said I could see a problem if the software is too dictatorial, but if you could for example specify your punctuation and spell your fantasy names to the software so you would have the same creative freedom with your text as you would when typing, well what is the problem? Beware the Grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a polite request.
Hi Dark, You forgot about the part where arrows are expendible, and replenishing them is a sometimes impossible task. Most monsters farther down in the dungeon are not equipped with bows of any sort, so collecting arrows is a rare or nonexistent venture. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 7:17 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a polite request. The only problem with rangers is that ranged weapons suck at lower levels sinse the wooden arrows are so soft they do virtually no damage after you pass floor 15 or so. A shame really sinse your right, multishot is awsome, especially if you have cryticial hits or sneak attack. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
Dark, I think likening reading via braille to chopping down firewood is a rather absurd and unrealistic analogy. If I am sighted, how do I read eMails or webpages? I most probably look at my computer screen, a method clearly analogous to braille. And despite what you seem to be implying here, there are most certainly concrete uses for braille. For instance, I am a lector at my church. I shutter at even the thought of taking an audio book player up there and repeating back the text that way. Even repeating back what a screenreader tells you is inefficient since it is usually stilted and without any inflection or feeling. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 7:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech To me that is a narrow definition of reading charlse. If an author wrote the words and I understand them, I've read them, heck even when I used to read books in braille I always imagined the sound of the words in my brain rather than just picking up on the letters. For a sighted person, it is slightly different, but given the time it takes to read something in braille why take the time? If you think these old skills are so valuable, well do you have central heating in your home or do you go out, chop down trees and put them on a fire? Do you go out and hunt creatures in the forest with a spear? sinse hay, what would you do without electricity. Unless tactile display can catch up with technology, (which I hope it does), I don't personally see braille surviving as a medium sinse the majority of things it can do for conveying information can be done far more easily and cheaply by a screen reader. As regards speaking, well as I said I could see a problem if the software is too dictatorial, but if you could for example specify your punctuation and spell your fantasy names to the software so you would have the same creative freedom with your text as you would when typing, well what is the problem? Beware the Grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech
yes I am glad I know how to use my slate and stylus and perkins brailler and cranmer abacus from APH american printing house for the blind. On 10/26/2014 9:45 PM, hayden presley wrote: Dark, I think likening reading via braille to chopping down firewood is a rather absurd and unrealistic analogy. If I am sighted, how do I read eMails or webpages? I most probably look at my computer screen, a method clearly analogous to braille. And despite what you seem to be implying here, there are most certainly concrete uses for braille. For instance, I am a lector at my church. I shutter at even the thought of taking an audio book player up there and repeating back the text that way. Even repeating back what a screenreader tells you is inefficient since it is usually stilted and without any inflection or feeling. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 7:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech To me that is a narrow definition of reading charlse. If an author wrote the words and I understand them, I've read them, heck even when I used to read books in braille I always imagined the sound of the words in my brain rather than just picking up on the letters. For a sighted person, it is slightly different, but given the time it takes to read something in braille why take the time? If you think these old skills are so valuable, well do you have central heating in your home or do you go out, chop down trees and put them on a fire? Do you go out and hunt creatures in the forest with a spear? sinse hay, what would you do without electricity. Unless tactile display can catch up with technology, (which I hope it does), I don't personally see braille surviving as a medium sinse the majority of things it can do for conveying information can be done far more easily and cheaply by a screen reader. As regards speaking, well as I said I could see a problem if the software is too dictatorial, but if you could for example specify your punctuation and spell your fantasy names to the software so you would have the same creative freedom with your text as you would when typing, well what is the problem? Beware the Grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Tom's right
I can tell from the responses that most list members totally missed my points about the dumbing down of people through technology. Tom is right in that it is the people rather than the available technology that is the real problem. I am a screen reader user, I do have my spell checker turned on all the time although I am a good speller. The availability of electronic books is great, and I do use a DTBM to access NLS material. I have an iPhone and do use VoiceOver. I just think that the trend toward using technology rather than our brain or body, such as possibly doing away with keyboards because you can dictate, using a calculator because it is easier than doing simple math using your own skills is a trend in the wrong direction. Anyway, back to gaming. All devices have their place in society. Some people do need specialized equipment and I don't find fault with that at all. If we could all have the opportunity to be like Steve Ostin, the $6,000,000 man, or be ourselves, and we chose the former option, sports wouldn't be as much fun due to the lack of challenge. I really enjoy a game of cards against other people, or a game of chess against another person, without a computer being involved. It's the human interaction as well as the banter during the game that enhances the experience. I can play against a chess program or computer, and I quite often do, but I prefer human against human, using a board and men across from one another at a table. Machines don't respond to your taunts and razzes, and they also don't give you any of your own medicine. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
It sounds like a $25 or $35 Raspberry Pi unit could serve as a custom console. You'd need to hook up a USB power supply (such as certain phone-chargers) and a USB keyboard, then either plug in some headphones or connect the HDMI output to your home stereo system. Depending on the game, you could also add a mouse or USB game-pad. Game authors could either provide the game's image file and have you write it to your own SD card, or they could charge more for pre-formatted SD cards much like the old Atari or NES cartridges. You'd then just plug in the card, power on the system, and you're right into the game. The $35 unit has a built-in network adapter which could provide for networked games. The common hardware along with the included Linux system image would allow the game authors to ensure the same experience for everyone. Authors could even release multi-game packs that would boot into a menu where you can choose one of multiple games and then have that game launched. Just throwing ideas out on the table... -tim On 2014-10-26 21:17, Josh k wrote: too bad there's not some sort of custom console OS that you flash onto your console and once flashed, the console is accessible with accessible games you can buy from between $5 and $20 or so. I would love that! On 10/26/2014 7:35 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello Josh, Actually, they do mod the console games in a lot of cases. More and more console games are being modded and customized than you might think. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: but the hard core gamers cannot mod their games with a console. you cannot make game mods. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
how about basing it on a custom console debian with a custom menu for games and stuff. and then you buy your games over a server also running debian console or grml based on debian. On 10/26/2014 10:50 PM, Tim Chase wrote: It sounds like a $25 or $35 Raspberry Pi unit could serve as a custom console. You'd need to hook up a USB power supply (such as certain phone-chargers) and a USB keyboard, then either plug in some headphones or connect the HDMI output to your home stereo system. Depending on the game, you could also add a mouse or USB game-pad. Game authors could either provide the game's image file and have you write it to your own SD card, or they could charge more for pre-formatted SD cards much like the old Atari or NES cartridges. You'd then just plug in the card, power on the system, and you're right into the game. The $35 unit has a built-in network adapter which could provide for networked games. The common hardware along with the included Linux system image would allow the game authors to ensure the same experience for everyone. Authors could even release multi-game packs that would boot into a menu where you can choose one of multiple games and then have that game launched. Just throwing ideas out on the table... -tim On 2014-10-26 21:17, Josh k wrote: too bad there's not some sort of custom console OS that you flash onto your console and once flashed, the console is accessible with accessible games you can buy from between $5 and $20 or so. I would love that! On 10/26/2014 7:35 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello Josh, Actually, they do mod the console games in a lot of cases. More and more console games are being modded and customized than you might think. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: but the hard core gamers cannot mod their games with a console. you cannot make game mods. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
