Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox and bookmarks

[joanne]

Please tell me how to get firefox to show the entire list of bookmarks. I 
get into these tree views, and I wanton know if there's a way to get jaws to 
read the entire list with up and down arrow keys like Internet Explorer 
does.  Thanks.



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From: "JOHN RIEHL" 
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2018 7:20 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox and bookmarks


Alt-b brings up the bookmarks folder in Firefox.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2018 8:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox and bookmarks

Jeff, I have another question about Firefox then. I know it works the same
as IE to save something, but how do you bring up your bookmark folder? I
tried using control B but nothing came up and I had saved a few things.
Thanks. Judy & Libby



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Audiobookfan
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2018 8:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox and bookmarks

If you're viewing the page you want to bookmark, just press control-d. A
dialog will open where you can edit the name and location of the bookmark,
but if you just wait a few seconds, the dialog will close and save the
bookmark in the main bookmarks folder. If you edit the name or location, 
tab

to the Done button and whack enter.

Jeff


On 4/1/2018 11:45 AM, Leonard Morris wrote:

How do you add a bookmark in Firefox?

Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It's a
unique

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Re: [JAWS-Users] does Microsoft edge work with jaws yet

[joanne]

I haven't tried Chrome either. Any accessibility problems with Chrome?

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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] does Microsoft edge work with jaws yet


It's improved, but still not great in many respects. You can use Edge with
JAWS 2018 and (I think) the very latest/last update of JAWS 18. I would 
use
Firefox or Chrome first, unless you really just feel like taking Edge for 
a

test drive for the hell of it.

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Behalf Of joanne
Sent: December 11, 2017 1:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] does Microsoft edge work with jaws yet

I am not ready to go to windows 10 yet, but the only computer I have at my
vacation place is a 10. It appears to be set up for easy use with Jaws 
which
I am happy about. I am using Mozilla and Internet Explorer, but I do 
wonder

if Edge can be used by Jaws users. I know in the beginning of using 10 it
wasn't advised to try Edge. Has accessibility improved, and is this a more
stable browser than the others? I hope the learning curve won't be too
different and your thoughts are appreciated.
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[JAWS-Users] does Microsoft edge work with jaws yet

[joanne]

I am not ready to go to windows 10 yet, but the only computer I have at my 
vacation place is a 10. It appears to be set up for easy use with Jaws which I 
am happy about. I am using Mozilla and Internet Explorer, but I do wonder if 
Edge can be used by Jaws users. I know in the beginning of using 10 it wasn't 
advised to try Edge. Has accessibility improved, and is this a more stable 
browser than the others? I hope the learning curve won't be too different and 
your thoughts are appreciated.
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[JAWS-Users] what is the easiest way to turn key echo off in jaws 14

[joanne]

I could do this in earlier versions using the insert j menus, but we don't see, 
in jaws 14, a place in these menus where we can permanently change from all 
characters to none.  Thanks for any assistance.
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[JAWS-Users] making jaws work with thunder bird

[joanne]

My friend uses Jaws but for whatever reason her instructor wants her to learn 
Thunderbird.  The instructor isn't real familiar with Windows and said it 
looked like Jaws can't work with this email program.  He said another 
screenreader would work better but, like me, she wants to use Jaws for 
everything.  Are there scripts needed to make it work better?

Thanks.

Joanne
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Re: [JAWS-Users] error everytime I try installing beta

[joanne]

Same error code here.  This is a Dell desktop and I haven't yet tried it on 
my laptop.  Does anyone know what this code means and if there's a general 
windows fix for the error?


- Original Message - 
From: "hwolcott" <hwolc...@empacc.net>

To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] error everytime I try installing beta



   hi:

absotely. have tried installing many times over the last two days.

the progress gets to just past 50% and then I get the following error 
message:


unable to install FS 64 OCR component.
and the following error code:

80070643.

full disclosure:

have 3 computers here.

the new beta did install successfully on 2 of them.

this one on which have my email on is a dell notebook inspiron 1100 
series.


it is running win10 build 1703 with the latest update as of august.

hopefully eric or someone from VFO who monitors this list can give some 
answers on this.


thanks.





Howard Wolcott
-Original Message- 
From: Steve

Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 6:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] error everytime I try installing beta

Are you guys sure you downloaded the correct version for your system --
64=-bit version for a 64-bit version of Windows?

Just curious, because my Windows 7 machine installed version 2018 just 
fine.


- Original Message - 
From: <mi...@orbitelcom.com>

To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] error everytime I try installing beta


Hi Joanne,  I experienced this failure as well and notified Freedom 
Scientific of the installation failure and the related error number.

An additional attempt tried just now failed in the exact same fashion.
I persist with Windows 7 and I E 11 and the current JAWS 18 product. 
Mitch


Late night Public Address announcement overheard at the Winston-Salem, 
North Carolina airport:  “  Your attention please.  For those of you who 
have not as yet done so, please do so at your earliest convenience. 
Thank you.”


-Original Message- 
From: Joanne

Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 9:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] error everytime I try installing beta

Has anyone been able to fix error messages that come up in Jaws 
instillation.  Mine says it can't install and to restart and run the 
install again.  I know it suggests calling tech support, but just 
wondered if I could try something else before really needing to call.


Joanne
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Re: [JAWS-Users] trying to find the place where I can pay online for my upgrade

[joanne]

United States.  All I see are the prices of the products as if one was 
purchasing them for the first time.  There's not a place for upgrading.
- Original Message - 
From: "michaeel's mail" <michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au>

To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] trying to find the place where I can pay online 
for my upgrade




Hi Joanne what country do you live in.
cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: joanne

Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 4:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] trying to find the place where I can pay online for 
my upgrade


I am eligible for an upgrade and there's a link that says pay for upgrade 
and SMA online.  But clicking on the link there's no place to pay.  It 
just shows the list of available products and their prices.  I have Jaws 
home edition but I don't see an option to get this at my reduced rate 
instead of the $900 price.  Can someone help?


Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] error everytime I try installing beta

[joanne]

Has anyone been able to fix error messages that come up in Jaws instillation.  
Mine says it can't install and to restart and run the install again.  I know it 
suggests calling tech support, but just wondered if I could try something else 
before really needing to call.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] trying to find the place where I can pay online for my upgrade

[joanne]

I am eligible for an upgrade and there's a link that says pay for upgrade and 
SMA online.  But clicking on the link there's no place to pay.  It just shows 
the list of available products and their prices.  I have Jaws home edition but 
I don't see an option to get this at my reduced rate instead of the $900 price. 
 Can someone help?

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] PDF files won't read at all

[joanne]

I don't know if Adobe Reader is not installed properly, and unfortunately I 
can't find a good converter except Docuscan which is way costly.  Is another 
Adobe version more accessible, or is there something I should check or uncheck 
as far as accessibility is concerned?  Or should I set more graphics or some 
other helpful way of reading that may be listed under configuration manager?

Thanks.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] need detailed instructions regarding jaws and upgrading to win10 using upgrade assistant

[joanne]

I am using the upgrade assistant to download windows 10.  I have both Jaws 16 
and 18 and right now I have windows 7.  I won't restart my computer till I 
receive help from some who may have used the upgrade assistant and were 
successful getting up and running with Jaws.

When I restart my computer what will happen?  Will there be no speech?  Will I 
have lost my Jaws key because I upgraded to 10?  Once Jaws is in--if I still 
have a key--what do I do to make 10 look more like 7 or other simpler-appearing 
versions of windows?  I have seen windows 10 and the menus are really foreign 
to me and I simply don't need all the apps or tiles or whatever these things 
are called.  I used to use Classic Shell when getting used to 7 but I don't 
know if Classic Shell has been updated to be used in windows 10.

I have backed up files but will I lose anything else of importance I may not 
have thought of?

Thanks for helping me get started.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] can a message sent via facebook messenger be fully read using jaws

[joanne]

I have heard from many posts in tech groups that facebook messenger isn't 
accessible with jaws.  I have windows 7 and both Jaws 16 and 18.  I use the 
m.facebook.com page and I send private messages using the send message link and 
the replies come to my email.  But some people reply via messenger and those 
messages not only don't come through by email but they don't seem to read in 
their entirety when I click on open messenger link.  It goes to a "sent 
yesterday" thing but it won't conclude the contents of the message.  Is there a 
way to read it all or is this one of the things that's just gonna be 
inaccessible about messenger?

Thank you.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] when using any media player jaws volume lowers considerably

[joanne]

Now I remember many of us struggling many years ago with the problem I'm 
having, usually happening with the old real player but also with some winamp 
output plug-ins.  So I'm surprised that it's happening and I know my settings 
are right.  Jaws is set to allow other audio and my players are no different 
than they've always been.  But whether it's Jaws 16 or 18--the 2 I have on my 
windows 7 system--if I play an audio file and use Jaws, the Jaws volume goes 
down super low.  I don't have loud volume on my media players mostly because I 
want to work with other programs while listening to music.  But as soon as an 
audio file starts I can barely hear Jaws.  The file stops; Jaws comes right 
back up to the right volume.  This is a dell system with real tech high 
definition, and between Jaws going out and the shaky type sound of the files I 
don't know if it's sound card or external speakers or maybe Jaws needs repair?

Would appreciate any thoughts.

Joanne

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[JAWS-Users] cannot install jaws 18/getting error message

[joanne]

I am unable to complete the installation of jaws 18.  I downloaded it from the 
FS site, and it will get to the please wait page with all the clicks.  But 
after awhile it says it could not be installed.  I am using windows 7 home.  
Should I put 17 in first?  I have 16 but hadn't installed 17 on this computer.  

I appreciate any assistance.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] getting a 403 error message when going to the group website

[joanne]

I don't think this has anything to do with the jaws-users server at all; I 
think it's something I need to change.  I have gotten a 403 do not have 
permission to open the site message when I go to the jaws-users site, but I 
have also gotten a fix connections problem error on other sites and my 
connection is just fine.  So since I'm getting these errors could something in 
my domain or IP address be messed up and are there easy steps to fix this using 
jaws 16 and windows 7?

Joanne
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Re: [JAWS-Users] regarding google instant

[joanne]

It won't even let me check the box to never use it.  It keeps saying 
unchecked.
- Original Message - 
From: "korbamukesh" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] regarding google instant



yes, i have done it exactly. it works only for that session and once i
reopen the browser and go to google.com website, again this instant
feature appears.
jaws even reads never show instant results checked.
any further solution would be welcomed.
thanks,

On 9/10/16, Gerald Levy  wrote:


On the search settings page, be sure to hit the space bar on the radio
button labeled, "never show instant results" and then activate the okay
button to save your settings.

Gerald



-Original Message-
From: korbamukesh
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 6:44 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] regarding google instant

hello,
when i visited this URL and clicked on search settings under settings
menu, there i could already see that the required  option never show
instant was selected. but when i open the browser and typed the
address
www.google.com
the instant results are again displayed.
so would like to know the permanent solution as these settings are
discarded once i reopen the browser.
thanks,

On 9/10/16, Gerald Levy  wrote:


You can permenantly suppress Google instant results by using the
following
version of Google and selecting the radio button on the search settings
page

to never show instant results:

https://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0=en

Gerald



-Original Message-
From: korbamukesh
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:06 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] regarding google instant

Hello,
This is the query related to the google search. After visiting the
website
www.google.com
I tried inputting the keyword in search edit box and noticed that
while typing the keywords, some suggestions are appearing below my
edit box which suppose to be the geature of google instant. So I
clicked on the settings menu and after expanding this menu, Iclicked
on the search settings and under the search settings, I selected
thethird radio button i.e. never show the google instant and saved the
changes. Still this google instant is not disappearing from my google
search page. So does anyone knows the permanent solution to get rid
out  for this solution?
Thanks,
mukesh

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[JAWS-Users] no sound from speakers after a windows 10 update

[joanne]

Please help.  This always happens after a windows update in windows 10.  
There's absolutely no sound and I always have to get sighted help to fix this.  
Please I hope totally blind can solve this problem with no help.

If someone knows how to get sound back please walk me through how to do this.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] how to fix a windows 10 sound card

[joanne]

I believe a recent update in windows 10 messed up my sound card, because in 
May, whenever this update was downloaded, I had no sound after the update and 
my daughter helped get sound back.  But I still get this message at startup:  
"smart audio, a Conexan file cannot be found."  And I can't play audio through 
headphones.  When headphones are plugged in all sound goes through the 
computer.  I have researched this problem and of course forums recommend 
disabling drivers and reenabling them, but obviously those of us who need a 
screenreader can't do this because the computer will go silent again if I were 
to disable and try reenabling sound in order to fix the sound card.  I wish I 
could find and undo the particular update that changed sound, but it doesn't 
seem to be showing the dates of the updates in my view update history section.  
Thankfully when I get home I'll be back to using a windows 7 computer, but in 
the meantime can someone help me to hopefully fix this sound card error wit
 h Jaws?

Thanks for any input or tutorial.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] can this message be stopped when alt-tabbing in jaws 16?

[joanne]

In Jaws 16, when alt-tabbing between windows, Jaws says "task switching, 
running applications list box".  Instead of just saying the name of the 
program, it always speaks the running applications list message before saying 
what program it's on.  Is there a way to get rid of this message?

Thanks.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] iTunes accessibility on a windows computer?

[joanne]

I don't really want anything to do with this program or its player, but there 
are a couple things I may have to get from their store.  Which version is 
accessible on a windows 7 computer, and are there Jaws scripts or some Jaws 
tricks that make it accessible?

Thank you.

Joanne
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Re: [JAWS-Users] the invisible cursor in jaws 17 keeps turningitself off

[joanne]

George and all, it is the virtual cursor that keeps turning on and off. 
It's the insert Z one.  I'll be looking through an email or trying to read a 
Web page, and after doing a few things I'll check to see if the virtual 
cursor is still on like I want it to be.  But it turned off by itself and I 
have to keep turning it back on with the command insert Z.  I can't 
understand why it's doing this, or why the Web pages get stuck in that spot 
where it says the web address and home button.  I don't know if something in 
tabs should be changed so it won't stay stuck in that spot.  The page is set 
to refresh as needed but links and headings just don't show up.


Thanks.



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Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 11:40 AM
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the invisible cursor in jaws 17 keeps 
turningitself	off



Hi,
Are you sure, you are talking about the right cursor?

And not the virtual cursor,
turned off when navigating your list of files and other areas of the
internet.
Press insert + Z to toggle it on and off.
Jorge

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of joanne
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 11:15 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] the invisible cursor in jaws 17 keeps turning itself
off

Fortunately I do have Jaws 16 as well as 17, because 16 seems to behave
better for me.  I am using windows 7 and would like to use 17 more, but in
reading mail, for instance, if I open a message it looks blank.  So I'll 
try

different keystrokes and try maximizing, etc., and then I'll notice the
insert Z cursor is off and not left on.  It happens with Internet Explorer
sometimes too, where the page won't show anything but that top part where 
it

says home button but you can't get past that part of the page or see links
or headings.  It seems to do this a lot and I also wonder if forms mode
plays a part because forms mode will pop on when I start to reply to an
email or on websites before I'm ready to use it.  Is there a setting that
might help the cursor stay on and help it to read web pages and emails 
right

most of the time?

Thanks.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] the invisible cursor in jaws 17 keeps turning itself off

[joanne]

Fortunately I do have Jaws 16 as well as 17, because 16 seems to behave better 
for me.  I am using windows 7 and would like to use 17 more, but in reading 
mail, for instance, if I open a message it looks blank.  So I'll try different 
keystrokes and try maximizing, etc., and then I'll notice the insert Z cursor 
is off and not left on.  It happens with Internet Explorer sometimes too, where 
the page won't show anything but that top part where it says home button but 
you can't get past that part of the page or see links or headings.  It seems to 
do this a lot and I also wonder if forms mode plays a part because forms mode 
will pop on when I start to reply to an email or on websites before I'm ready 
to use it.  Is there a setting that might help the cursor stay on and help it 
to read web pages and emails right most of the time?

Thanks.

Joanne
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Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws and email question

[joanne]

It sounds like either your columns are needing a reset or maybe it would 
help to make sure the program is maximized.  Usually when things like this 
come up I first make sure it's maximized.  I can't tell you how to do this 
with windows live 2012 because ribbons are involved and I'm not sure how to 
navigate them.  But another problem could be found in the "sort by columns" 
part.  I've had to fix items like to, from, subject, etc. in that sort by 
columns area so that could be the reason the subject line isn't showing.





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Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws and email question

[joanne]

I have both Jaws 16 and 17 on my computers.  I don't use my laptop a lot 
since I really am not familiar with some things about 10 and don't know how 
to make windows 10 look more like 7.  But when I am away from home and have 
to use it, I use windows live mail 2009, which has no confusing ribbons 
which I'm trying to avoid, and it works perfectly fine on the windows 10 
laptop.  But like I said, maybe some computers just don't work well with 
live mail 2009.  I'm glad mine does because I'm lost regarding windows 10 so 
I'm glad one of my familiar programs still works for me.




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Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:10 PM
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws and email question


Hi Joanne,

For clarafication, what version of Jaws are you running?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike, Go Dodgers!
- Original Message - 
From: joanne

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws and email question


Ihave the older windows live mail 2009 on my windows 10 laptop and it 
is
working fine, but maybe some systems are different.  I don't want to 
change
versions of WLM unless I really have to, and 2009 seems to be responsive 
on

the windows 10 laptop.




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From: "Pinky" <pink...@abe.midco.net>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:27 AM
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws and email question


Hi Michael,
You need to update your WLM to 2012 latest version as this is the only
version that works with W10 correctly.

Ed

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:35 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] jaws and email question

Hello listers,

Just tried the following with the latest jaws 17.  I hope that this issue
gets resolved in the next jaws release.  For now I had to go back to
windows
7.  I am running windows 10 64 bit and jaws 17.   for my email, I
am
using wLM 2009.  The problem I am having is the ffollowing.  With jaws 
13,
on my windows 7 machine I am able to press the shift   down arrow keys 
to

select a group of messages.  I hear jaws say Michael[blindtech] jaws and
email question.  If I try the same with jaws 17,on windows 10, all I hear
is
Michael[blindtech].  I don't hear the subject line read.  Can some one
help
me please?

Thanks
Michael
email/messenger
mikeam...@earthlink.net
Skype ID
mikeameli
JFK
"What kind of peace do I mean and what kind of a peace do we seek? Not a
Pax
Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war, not the peace
of
the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace
the
kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living and the kind that
enables men and nations to grow and to hope and build a better life for
their children not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and
women not merely peace in our time but peace in all time."
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Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws and email question

[joanne]

Ihave the older windows live mail 2009 on my windows 10 laptop and it is 
working fine, but maybe some systems are different.  I don't want to change 
versions of WLM unless I really have to, and 2009 seems to be responsive on 
the windows 10 laptop.





--
From: "Pinky" 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:27 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws and email question


Hi Michael,
You need to update your WLM to 2012 latest version as this is the only
version that works with W10 correctly.

Ed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:35 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] jaws and email question

Hello listers,

Just tried the following with the latest jaws 17.  I hope that this issue
gets resolved in the next jaws release.  For now I had to go back to 
windows
7.  I am running windows 10 64 bit and jaws 17.   for my email, I 
am

using wLM 2009.  The problem I am having is the ffollowing.  With jaws 13,
on my windows 7 machine I am able to press the shift   down arrow keys  to
select a group of messages.  I hear jaws say Michael[blindtech] jaws and
email question.  If I try the same with jaws 17,on windows 10, all I hear 
is
Michael[blindtech].  I don't hear the subject line read.  Can some one 
help

me please?

Thanks
Michael
email/messenger
mikeam...@earthlink.net
Skype ID
mikeameli
JFK
"What kind of peace do I mean and what kind of a peace do we seek? Not a 
Pax
Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war, not the peace 
of
the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace 
the

kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living and the kind that
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their children not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and
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Re: [JAWS-Users] win 10 auto update no choice

[joanne]

There is a free tool that blocks Windows 10 notifications and monitors the 
computer for any attempts to change to 10.  It's called GWX control panel. 
I don't know if anyone has heard of or used it but it did take my windows 10 
notifications away.  I don't know much about it or what kind of rating or 
cautionary measures it may have, but at least for now I feel I need to do 
whatever it takes to block this thing.



- Original Message - 
From: "Lenny McHugh" 

To: "JFW List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:49 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] win 10 auto update no choice


My grandson just came home from school. He told me that first he kept trying
to x out of the updates for win 10. Last night there was no choice. He also
told me that all of the kids at his school are complaining. Last night all
of their computers automatically updated to win 10. He just left for a while
and later will try and check out all of his other programs. There is
something that is required for school that only works in Google chrome. Just
wonder why software developers make their software strictly dependent on a
specific browser.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] auto update to windows 10

[joanne]

Yes I had questions about my windows updates and how most of them lately 
show as failed.  But the problem is I can't even check for updates, because 
the screen says I have a pending update so I can't even look at the updates. 
And it always says "restart now," as if it's gonna force installation of 10 
if I do restart.  In my case it probably wouldn't install because many new 
updates are showing as failed.  But I wonder if I could get this windows 10 
message out of updates I could try installing only the updates I want.  If 
anyone knows how to get this windows 10 message out of windows updates I 
would very much appreciate knowing how.



- Original Message - 
From: "David Ferrin" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] auto update to windows 10



Now this is new and a bit annoying I must say.

David Ferrin
A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved 
from

a simpler system that worked perfectly.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Lynn White
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:09 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] auto update to windows 10

No.  Actually it's getting to the point where people have been reporting
that, if you have checked recommended updates, Windows 10 automatically 
gets

installed.

On 3/9/2016 11:27 PM, Pinky wrote:

Hi,
I am not sure you could have W10 automatically install because you
have to do a few steps during the install process. Are you sure it is
not the icon down by the clock  in the system tray  and also a screen
may come up telling you about installing W10.  So my next question is
are you sure it installed W10? And if so how do you know it is using W10?

Ed

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 9:57 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] auto update to windows 10

He does not have openbook. The school installed zoomtext on his
computer. I had a demo copy of jaws 15 installed but have not needed
access to his computer in a very long time. There are some other
programs installed. He was told by the school not to install win 10
and now it is completely installed and set up. Zoomtext did update and
looks like it is running for him. Not sure about everything else.

-Original Message-
From: TheHangMan
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 8:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] auto update to windows 10

Lenny,
If he was running jaws 16, 17 or have openbook installed, That would
never happen, like you say, automatically.
Because the upgrade would only get to about 25% complete and you would
have to cancel the install, or continue and remove the FS programs.
Jorge

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 7:53 PM
To: JFW List 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] auto update to windows 10

My grandson just turned his computer on and it automatically updated
to windows 10. How can he go back to windows 8.1? Some of his programs
supplied by the school and office for the blind will not work on windows

10.



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[JAWS-Users] does anyone use classic shell with windows 10 to make menus look more like 7 or XP?

[joanne]

I have read a few excellent tutorials on windows 10 and Jaws, and 10 is on 
my laptop so I know I'll have to deal with it when I'm away and using the 
laptop.  Both my PC's still have 7 thankfully, but I'm wondering about when I 
have to use 10 and its unfamiliar layout, has anyone used Classic Shell to make 
the menus look more like the menus in 7?  If you go to the start menu in 
windows 10 the way it's set up, I don't see a programs tree view where you used 
to be able to see your list of programs and accessories, etc.  Does Classic 
Shell still even work or would you recommend another program that will set up 
10 to look more familiar?  I hope I'm not going off-topic, because I of course 
would need a Jaws-friendly program or other ways around these tricky menus or 
apps as they're now being called, so that I can maximize my experience using 10 
and Jaws without wanting to give up.  One of the Davids in the group was very 
helpful in showing me how to get around lower and upper ribbons i
 n lists by using context menu key.  So hopefully there'll be other hints that 
will make this thing usable when I need to do so.

Thanks.
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[JAWS-Users] can form fields--edit fields--be labeled?

[joanne]

I received instructions on how to label links or buttons using insert f and 
going down to prompt/create.  But can edit fields be relabeled?  I am checking 
out a Windows 10 machine and the email fields say rich edit control instead of 
to, from, etc.  And of course on the Web the edit fields on some sites are not 
announced.  Is there a fix for this?  Using both 16 and 17, and both versions 
read these email edit fields the same way.

Joanne
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Re: [JAWS-Users] can form fields--edit fields--be labeled?

[joanne]

Thank you for suggesting I look into columns view.  This did fix the order 
much better.  But what happens is when opening a new message all the form 
fields say rich edit control instead of saying the to, CC and subject fields 
for composition of an email.  I didn't know if this could be erased and new 
labels put in so it would say what the edit fields said before jaws 10.


Thanks for any ideas.

Joanne
- Original Message - 
From: "Mike B" <mb69ma...@charter.net>

To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] can form fields--edit fields--be labeled?



Hi Joanne,

If you're running Outlook Express or Windows Mail have you went into the
View Menu / Columns, & checked / unchecked which fields you want spoken?
Take care.
Mike

- Original Message - 
From: joanne

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 8:22 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] can form fields--edit fields--be labeled?


I received instructions on how to label links or buttons using insert f 
and

going down to prompt/create.  But can edit fields be relabeled?  I am
checking out a Windows 10 machine and the email fields say rich edit 
control
instead of to, from, etc.  And of course on the Web the edit fields on 
some

sites are not announced.  Is there a fix for this?  Using both 16 and 17,
and both versions read these email edit fields the same way.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] can someone post how to repair jaws please?

[joanne]

Awhile back someone posted 3 ways to repair Jaws. The most helpful way for me 
was the third way which was similar to the way I repaired it in older versions 
where you go to a place that asked if you wanted to modify or repair.  Can 
someone repost the directions?  I was going to open the EXE file and start the 
install and try to repair it from there, but as this option isn't an option 
anymore I thought I would inquire about a possible similar way to do this.

joanne
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[JAWS-Users] jaws is saying running applications while alt-tabbing can this be stopped

[joanne]

I've never seen this before and it's happening on a windows 10 machine I'm 
experimenting with.  Since Jaws 16 is more responsive than 17, I am using it 
mostly but I don't like alt-tabbing in Jaws 16.  It says running applications 
and then the name of the window I'm alt-tabbing to, and then its position, like 
3 of 4 or something like that.  Can the running applications announcement be 
stopped?  

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] using windows mail and windows 10 the email fields aren't reading correctly

[joanne]

With both Jaws 16 and 17, when composing an email in windows mail all the 
fields say rich edit control, instead of to, from, subject.  Can this rich edit 
control thing be taken away somehow?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] can ribbon menus be removed in windows 10

[joanne]

I hope I won't get in trouble for possibly making this more of a thank you 
message, and yes those can clutter an in box.  But I do want to say that, 
for example, in the case of ribbons, I appreciated David Bales' suggestions 
and they worked beautifully.  I like that this group presents many 
approaches to the handling of apps and various work-arounds using Jaws. 
We're all learning, and for those of us who don't always understand new apps 
or layouts I appreciate help from those who can present an easier or, to me, 
familiar way of reaching my goals.


I wouldn't mind learning more about ribbons and maybe there's a tutorial to 
explain them.  But they don't make sense to me and I can't picture their 
layout or how to find their menus.  Someone suggested turning the virtual 
ribbon feature off in Jaws and I know many others use it.  I'd be glad to 
hear an explanation of what exactly they are and how to find the menus you 
need.  I am using older email programs for this very reason--ribbons don't 
make sense.  So if there's a tutorial that explains them thoroughly I would 
check one out if anyone knows of one.


But in the meantime I'm so relieved there are still other ways to avoid them 
till I learn more.


Joanne



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[JAWS-Users] can ribbon menus be removed in windows 10

[joanne]

I am using a friend's Windows 10 machine and I like being able to sort my songs 
and other lists in a list view.  When I hit alt V hoping to see status bar, 
list, etc., I see lower ribbon and something about panes and I am really upset 
that I can't get rid of these things and go back to the ability to sort by 
details or list, etc.  Can these ribbons be disabled?  I hope?

Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] on some websites I can't activate buttons

[joanne]

Steve, what is the Jaws image processing function?  I never heard of this, 
and what would be the keyboard command for this?


Thanks.


- Original Message - 
From: "Steve" <pipeguy...@gmail.com>

To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] on some websites I can't activate buttons



Two things you should try if you haven't:

Try it with a different browser--I've had sites where firefox will work if 
IE 11

doesn't and vice versa.

Second, try the Jaws image processing function; sometimes there will be
something you can double-click on after you do the recognition.

Third, try a different screen-reader.  You will need to refresh the page, 
but on
some sites I've had luck with NVDA or System Access when Jaws would not 
work.


Steve
Lansing
- Original Message - 
From: joanne

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 8:04 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] on some websites I can't activate buttons


On some websites I run across buttons I can't click on with space or 
enter.  I

try routing cursors, turning off virtual cursor, left clicking, just about
everything I can think of but the keystroke won't work to get me to the 
next
page.  I see it a lot on banking sites and on submit or continue buttons. 
Due
to the configuration of some newer websites with maybe too many 
graphics--just
making a guess--is there just no way to be able to use buttons and 
therefore the
inability to complete tasks on these sites without sighted help?  I truly 
hope
there's an answer and that it's not impossible to use these sites 
independently.


Thanks.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] on some websites I can't activate buttons

[joanne]

On some websites I run across buttons I can't click on with space or enter.  I 
try routing cursors, turning off virtual cursor, left clicking, just about 
everything I can think of but the keystroke won't work to get me to the next 
page.  I see it a lot on banking sites and on submit or continue buttons.  Due 
to the configuration of some newer websites with maybe too many graphics--just 
making a guess--is there just no way to be able to use buttons and therefore 
the inability to complete tasks on these sites without sighted help?  I truly 
hope there's an answer and that it's not impossible to use these sites 
independently.

Thanks.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] repairing jaws/an easy way i hope

[joanne]

I'm not sure why FS made Jaws repair a harder or longer process, as before all 
we had to do was customize or repair in the install file.  But now you have to 
do complicated steps and I'm just not sure how to do it.  If someone can walk 
me through how to do this I'll give it a try.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] installed Jaws 17 but license not recognized

[joanne]

I have twice had to system restore because when attempting to install Jaws 17 I 
am asked for my license code.  Even if I switch to 16, something in the 
installation of 17 seems to erase the license and the only way to use Jaws in 
regular mode is to restore the system and use 16.  I went to the page to 
activate it and the page found it just fine.  Then it gave me another code to 
use, and not sure why this other code was given but I tried activating my 
license pasting the original key and also trying this generated one but it 
keeps giving an error message that it doesn't recognize the code.  Now the 
generated code is 3 lines long and I don't know if the words at the end are 
necessary--like version 00, etc.  I don't know why the FS page recognizes it 
but neither code will work when Jaws tells me I need to type in my key.  Is 
there something I can do that's not being done so I can use 17 in regular and 
not 40-minute mode?

Thanks for assistance.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] how to handle items that aren't links or buttons but will take you to a new page

[joanne]

Didn't know how to say it but I'm sure you have run into these things that I 
can't call links or buttons, but you can tell that they are items that need a 
space bar or an enter to get you to another page.  For instance, one of my 
banks shows a list of things and then you see the word submit, or continue, or 
anything like that.  But submit is not a button or link; it's just the word 
submit.  Sometimes I'm lucky and a simple enter will get me to the page where 
I've submitted something.  But usually it just sits there and I don't know a 
Jaws command to make this new type of link work.  Using Jaws 15 and Windows 7 
in case that helps.  Is there a trick to making these things work?

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[JAWS-Users] does jaws work with dish satellite so recorded shows can be accessed online

[joanne]

I was told I could access shows that my niece recorded for me using DVR on dish 
network while away from home.  It's some type of Dish Anywhere perk, but I 
don't know if the menus can be accessed using Jaws 16.  Thanks for any 
assistance.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] how do I get my clock to start when i reboot computer

[joanne]

I hope this is Jaws-related, and maybe it's more of a techy thing but I have 
tried so many suggestions and this simply won't work the way it should.  I have 
been to the help page and downloaded startup manager but I don't even know how 
to make this happen in that program.  What I want to do is to add my clock to 
the startup menu so that when I boot up the computer the clock is running, just 
like Jaws is set to run at startup.  Does someone have specific instructions on 
how to do this?  I tried adding it in startup manager too and it's set as 
enabled, but it doesn't start up and I don't even see a full list that includes 
Jaws anywhere I've looked in Startup.

Thanks for any much-needed help.
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[JAWS-Users] trying to use blindtunes but having trouble

[joanne]

I downloaded and purchased the scripts for iTunes but not only does it stay 
maximized and I can't minimize it, but because it's so maximized I can't see my 
other windows.  It also won't take my key, which I assume is our 20-digit Jaws 
authorization key.  Does anyone have helpful hints?  Or even better, since I 
mainly want iTunes for podcasts that refuse to give the RSS option, can I do 
this without the scripts or is there an even more accessible way to get the 
iTunes podcasts?

Hope you can help.

Joann
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[JAWS-Users] entering on a link I'm stuck in the tab view part of the page

[joanne]

Trying to be specific and hoping I explain this correctly.  Using Jaws 15 
and most of the time Internet Explorer but I have Firefox as well.  Not sure 
if it will do this in FF, but in IE 11 what happens is I want to go to a Web 
page and I can't see the links because it puts me in that spot which I've 
hated from the beginning and wish I could get rid of.  It definitely goes to 
the page because you can see the page's address, but I'm stuck in that menu 
where a tab button and a page refresh button are shown.  Oh yeah it also 
says tool bar and probably some other things I'm missing.  It won't just go 
past that point and start announcing links I can click on.  With a lot of 
trial and error and turning off and back on the virtual PC cursor, I can 
eventually make it work.  I just wonder if, under HTML settings, something 
with page refresh and ignore flash on web pages is set incorrectly.  I also 
wondered about screen resolution and if it's too high or too low for Jaws. 
I do have the attributes box unchecked because I didn't like hearing mouse 
over all the time, but should I have left it and would the mouse over links 
make it easier to get past that part of the page?

I hope someone has some ideas.

Joanne 
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[JAWS-Users] friend trying to get out of a lower ribbon menu

[joanne]

I don't know the answer to this, because I use programs that don't use 
ribbons and really don't understand the concept.  But a friend was in a 
program--I'm assuming maybe an email program--and she did something and all 
Jaws says is lower ribbon.  How can she get out of that menu and get Jaws to 
read correctly again without being stuck in this lower ribbon thing?

Thanks so much for any help.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] not understanding how to drag and drop with jaws

[Joanne]

I read up on this and I know the key command of insert, control and num pad 
slash, but I don't know what I'm doing wrong.  Is there a detailed tutorial or 
can someone walk me through every step?  When I'm in the folder that needs 
items dragged i get a message to go to the folder where you drop the items but 
I can't get it to drop.  Do you select the folder first and then just go to the 
folder and drop it there without first using the jaws keystrokes in the folder 
I want to drag?  In other words, I select what needs to be dragged, stay in 
that folder and do the jaws command.  Then I go to the empty folder and do the 
command a second.  I guess my thinking is you have to do it once for dragging 
items and then another time in the drop folder.  Please help.

Joanne
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Big problem with Facebook

[Joanne]

How is everyone getting to their actual friends list usint Jaws 15?  If I 
enter on friends it takes me to privacy settings.  My niece once found that 
entering on more worked, but now that doesn't work either.  How are you 
finding your list of friends?




--
From: Jim Pursley jim.purs...@gaiacapital.com
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 9:43 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Big problem with Facebook



Try www.facebook.com/mobile or get on the facebook.com page and press the 
mobile link and bookmark the page.  All of this said, there are things the 
site won't do for me, such as confirm a reply or comment I make when 
someone sends me a link, etc. I'm not even sure I was able to post, as I 
get an error message when I leave the site asking me if I want to finish 
my comment.


The mobile site is better with screen readers than the regular site, 
though.  Pity Zuckerberg and company can't make their site as accessible 
as linkedin.



On 2/23/2014 10:36 PM, Sugar wrote:


JJim I tried:
facebook/mobile/com but it saidthis page can't be displayed:

Gracious words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the 
bones

Proverbs 16:24
~Sugar


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Pursley
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Big problem with Facebook


Try the facebook mobile site facebook/mobile/com.  Frankly, I find 
facebook

a hit or miss proposition.
On 2/23/2014 10:16 AM, Nancy Shackelford wrote:

When I try to get on Facebook, the site keeps navigating, navigating,

navigating, and never stops. Can't get to links or read anything. I don't
understand how they have something like this if one can't use it. I asked
someone else, and they said theirs didn't refresh, so I just assume it is
navigating through page after page. Can't get results of many things on 
the

m.facebook.com.  Help, please!

Nance

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[JAWS-Users] does chrome work with jaws

[Joanne]

I had asked yesterday about why I can't put numbers or dates in certain form 
fields, and it was suggested I use another browser.  Sometimes, when firefox 
doesn't crash which it does frequently, I've tried it in firefox and it turns 
out the same--can't erase what's already in the form field.  Has anyone had 
success with chrome or is it inaccessible?  Or any other browser you've maybe 
used with little trouble?

Thanks.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] are some form fields impossible to fill out

[Joanne]

I would like to know if anyone has found a way to fill in form fields that have 
numbers--like say a date--in them but you can't backspace or delete those 
numbers.  I am working with some bank sites and no matter what I do the numbers 
won't be erased.  For instance, if you want to pick another date to make your 
payment the form fields won't let you change it.  I have both Jaws 14 and 15 on 
a windows 7 64 bit computer.  Do I need to set something under graphics or 
something so I can clear these fields, or is there just no way with Jaws when 
it comes to certain fields?

Joanne
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Re: [JAWS-Users] weird happenings with firefox

[Joanne]

Yes I have experienced this, and in my case the only way to close it is with 
tash manager.  I have also had a few problems with Internet Explorer 11 not 
responding but not as much as with Firefox.  Then when I start Firefox again 
it wants to restore my last session and I'd rather not do that since I 
didn't know if it was a website or the program freezing up and I didn't want 
it to happen again.,


Is there something we can do in control panel or with internet options to 
repair or update something so my browsers will both be more responsive?


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From: Chris Hill hil...@earthlink.net
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] weird happenings with Firefox

Had that happen the other day.  Couldn't get it back for anything.  I just 
figured it had something to do with windows 8.1, my wife could see Firefox 
when i alt-tabbed,  but we couldn't interact with it once the crash 
started.




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Blogging at tech-mysteries.blogspot.com

On 1/17/2014 14:34, Kevin Lee wrote:
has anyone experienced when multi tasking while using Firefox a crash 
with the program?
when I use firefox the most recent version and I start multi tasking the 
display of firefox dissappears and sometimes jaws announces the website 
you were viewing mozilla firefox and other  times nothing is announced .
is this a bug with firefox or is it my computer, all of my other programs 
work fine

email is golden !
Kevinlee
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[JAWS-Users] can the 20-digit authorization be retrieved without using a disc

[joanne]

First, is it true that starting with Jaws 13 we all received a new 20-digit 
authorization code and couldn't use the one we had in Jaws 12?  I don't know 
where I heard this but thought I'd heard that starting at 13 our codes would be 
different.  I am asking because I have 13, 14 and now 15 on my computer but 
when I tried activating 15 it said the code I entered was for an earlier 
version of Jaws and wouldn't work.  But I can't get Jaws 14 to tell me what 
code is in it because it works just fine and fully functional.  I don't have a 
disc with me and really want to take Jaws 15 out of demo and wondered if I 
could somehow retrieve my code from Jaws 14 and paste that code into the 
activation of Jaws 15.  I hope someone can help.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] can the 20-digit authorization be retrievedwithout using a disc

[joanne]

Well I just purchased it yesterday and they said it should be active by end 
of day so maybe I just need to wait for a confirmation or something.


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From: David Whitehead davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:03 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] can the 20-digit authorization be 
retrievedwithoutusinga disc


hello are you sure your authorized for jaws 15?

start jaws 14, now go into help/about, and you will see if you have 
upgrades

remaining.


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Behalf Of joanne
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] can the 20-digit authorization be retrieved without
using a disc

First, is it true that starting with Jaws 13 we all received a new 
20-digit
authorization code and couldn't use the one we had in Jaws 12?  I don't 
know
where I heard this but thought I'd heard that starting at 13 our codes 
would

be different.  I am asking because I have 13, 14 and now 15 on my computer
but when I tried activating 15 it said the code I entered was for an 
earlier
version of Jaws and wouldn't work.  But I can't get Jaws 14 to tell me 
what
code is in it because it works just fine and fully functional.  I don't 
have
a disc with me and really want to take Jaws 15 out of demo and wondered if 
I

could somehow retrieve my code from Jaws 14 and paste that code into the
activation of Jaws 15.  I hope someone can help.
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[JAWS-Users] jaws won't start at windows log-in even though it's set up to

[joanne]

This has just started recently and I don't know how to make Jaws not only start 
when windows comes on, but it even isn't in the speaker settings like it 
usually is.  I'm using windows 7 and I have jaws 13 and 14, and I even did a 
reinstall and told it to start using the all users settings.  It may start once 
or twice but then seems to disappear.  It seems to be in running processes but 
I can't even bring it up with desktop icon.  I've always seen it in speaker 
volume settings but it just seems to have disappeared.  Has this happened to 
anyone and can someone help?

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] need 2 types of restore programs that are jaws friendly

[Joanne]

My friend would like to restore her computer because some programs aren't 
working correctly, but when I tried to help her with system restore we 
discovered that system restore has never been turned on.  I have heard groups 
talk about programs like Roll Back, but with these programs shouldn't System 
Restore still have been turned on so there'd be restore points for, say, Roll 
Back to do its job?  Her Outlook 2010 isn't showing anything in any folders, 
and she is wanting to restore to an early time.  So is this possible with 
another program besides System Restore?

She also wants to restore documents that were accidentally deleted from recycle 
bin.  I have Requva, but if anyone has another Jaws-accessible file restoration 
program I would appreciate learning of it.  

So looking for a file restoration and some type of computer restoration program 
to see if we can get things back to normal.

Thanks.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] has anyone had trouble clicking some buttons and what did you do?

[Joanne]

Are there simply some button types that absolutely can't be clicked?  Some 
sites that require electronic signatures simply won't move my I agree button; 
it just sits there no matter what I try to do.  I have routed cursors, tried to 
hold shift down to get it in a new browser window.  If anyone has any helpful 
hints will gladly receive.

Joanne

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[JAWS-Users] Jaws isn't focusing correctly and sometimes reads phantom characters

[Joanne]

This is the case with all 3 Jaws versions I have--12, 13 and 14.  And now that 
the repair process has been changed to something I still don't understand how 
to do, I can't do a repair and would hate to uninstall and lose my keys.  Jaws 
loses focus a lot and I am moved out of my window, and I also have the problem 
of, when trying to erase characters in a file, Jaws reads extra phantom 
characters that aren't even part of the file.  When using Winamp it will say 
the previous track and then correct itself to say the track I'm on.  It's sort 
of like something in the video driver isn't dumping information from its 
memory--like the song track that it's not even on--or it's foggy and may 
possibly be on a bad screen resolution or color or something.  I am using 
Windows 7 with classic theme, and my resolution is 1024/768 which F.S. had 
recommended for XP.  It is now not showing an entire list and is only seeming 
to see the bottom item.  Does anyone have a suggestion for getting the video to 
interpret what's on the screen correctly?  I have run the free program from 
System Access to Go, just to see if it could be a computer or screen problem.  
But it read right so I know I need to do something in Jaws.

Thanks for any input.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] jaws crashing while I'm playing files in winamp

[Joanne]

Seems to happen quite frequently now, where after a time playing files in 
Winamp Jaws goes silent.  In fact it seems like a whole part of the sound card 
not used by Winamp locks up.  Winamp keeps playing so it's not a total computer 
freeze, but I can't get any speech no matter what I do.  I have used both Jaws 
13 and 14 and it happens in both versions.  Hope you can help.
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[JAWS-Users] does it matter what screen resolution we have it on in windows 7

[Joanne]

F.S. used to recommend resolution of 1024/768 for WP, but is this the preferred 
resolution setting for Windows 7?  I ask because Jaws 14 is reading extra 
characters in some files.  For instance, in trying to rename a file and 
spelling it out by character I will hear Jaws say nonsense like zero or 
semicolon or something before it says the actual letter I'm supposed to be on.  
There also seems to be some extraneous characters being spoken when I check my 
status line in Windows Live Mail.  If not resolution do you recommend something 
else in display to help Jaws focus better and read what's actually on the 
screen without reading extra characters?  Will appreciate suggestions.
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[JAWS-Users] when renaming files, jaws sometimes speaks extra characters

[Joanne]

It's actually when I'm doing what you might call and edit/rename.  If I want 
some of the name to stay as is but I need to add words or perhaps number it, as 
I'm looking at the characters--and this is only in the renaming field and not 
at other times--Jaws will confuse me by saying things like 0 or semicolon and 
then the actual character in the word.  It kind of reminds me of when I used to 
read my friend's Braille Light and when the display got old it looked like 
there were dots underneath the actual words.  I am using Jaws 14 but not sure 
if my other versions do this as well, but it's almost like Jaws isn't totally 
focused on my file when I hit f2 to rename, and like it's seeing other 
characters underneath the actual ones.  Don't know if I'm making sense but I 
wondered if anyone ever had it say other characters before it says the 
character it should be saying.

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[JAWS-Users] how to handle a graphic that needs to be clicked on

[joanne]

On some sites there is a place where it will say graphic and in order to use 
the site or perform an application you have to somehow click the graphic.  I 
have tried routing cursors but it really doesn't put it on the graphic.  An 
example is, with my credit union some transactions--such as electronic 
signatures--say something like graphic sign here.  Well hitting space bar or 
enter or left click doesn't seem to allow me to finish the transaction.  Is 
this not possible to do with Jaws or is there a key combo that will help us 
with these graphics?

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] trouble installing jaws update/keeps clicking and says please wait but nothing happening

[joanne]

As I type I'm hearing the installation clicks for the update, and every time I 
re-start and try it again the same thing happens.  It's stalling out or moving 
so slow that this actually could take hours, as last night I did have computer 
on for over an hour waiting for the installation.  I even removed jaws 14, 
keeping components and using 12 or 13 so I had speech.  I didn't update from my 
check for updates; I went to F.S. and got the download.  So I have the F.S. 
download, removing my jaws 14, hoping it would install cleanly, but nothing's 
moving.  Is there something I can do to get this installing?  Or should I get a 
different download from the FTP one?  I have a 64 bit machine and this is a 64 
bit download so everything checks out.

Thanks.


Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] will I need to use 2 Jaws keys when my computer becomes a windows 7 pro and an Xp machine?

[Joanne]

I am upgrading my Windows 7 home premium computer to a Windows 7 Pro so I can 
have the ability to also add XP and use XP for the most part.  I know that when 
we upgrade to 7 Pro I will have to re-install Jaws, which will of course use up 
one of my keys from F.S.  Since this system will also have XP, do I also have 
to install Jaws in the XP part?  If so, this, of course, would use up 2 keys so 
wondering if that's what I'll have to do in order to have both operating 
systems--two operating systems, 2 separate installs of Jaws.  Hope someone can 
help.
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[JAWS-Users] desktop keyboard doesn't seem to have a num-lock key

[Joanne]

I am attempting to use the USB keyboard that came with my machine.  It isn't a 
wireless keyboard, and for the most part the keys seem to be set up in the 
traditional way.  But are there such things as new keyboards without num pads?  
I can't find one anywhere, and I'd like to use it when I, of course, need to 
use Jaws keys or Jaws key combos.  Are they really making some without the num 
pad now?  Or have you perhaps used new keyboards and found this key in some 
obscure place?  Thanks for any help.
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[JAWS-Users] are certain video cards better than others for Jaws to work well

[Joanne]

I am using an XPS system with Windows 7 64 bit.  I had lots of trouble getting 
Jaws to respond well and it moved very slowly and lost focus a lot, and this is 
an 8 gig memory machine.  The machine itself moves fast otherwise but I wonder 
why Jaws is sluggish, and know others have mentioned their graphics or video 
card--and I hope graphics and video card mean the same thing.  Now today it 
seems to not be doing too bad, but I notice it does that little stutter thing 
occasionally and sometimes it doesn't keep up with me while I'm going through a 
list.  It reminds me of the response it gave me on my E machine, but that I 
chalked up to very little memory.  With all other applications I do on the 
computer moving fast, I'm wondering about these little Jaws glitches and don't 
know if there's a video intercept type setting in Jaws that may make it more 
responsive and less likely to do the little stutter thing?  Or is this all 
related to my own video card and does F.S. recommend only certain brands or 
types of these cards?

Also, I know that with Windows 7 there aren't any solid recommendations from 
F.S. regarding display, but do you find certain text displays and screen 
resolutions more helpful as far as Jaws focus?

I have found the info on my card.  It is:
AMD Radeon HD 7570 1GB DDR5
I am using Jaws  versions 12 and 13 interchangeably.

Thanks for your input.
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[JAWS-Users] would like instructions for how to use Jaws on a laptop

[joanne]

I do use a regular keyboard with my laptop, since I'm used to that layout and 
of course the function keys and insert key are easy to find and use with Jaws.  
But should I ever really need to--which I hope will not be often--, is there a 
tutorial or list of hot keys and where they might be located on a laptop?  For 
instance, I have heard you can't use the insert key and I'm not really sure 
where it is anyway.  Not really even sure where control keys or start menu 
keys, etc. are, and by luck I found the arrow keys.  But I would like to learn 
my way around a laptop and learn what keys would be Jaws specific.

Thanks for any help.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] very strange problem/can't get on the Net after installing Jaws update

[Joanne]

I have tried installing this 2 different ways--through the help menu in Jaws, 
and by going to F.S. site and downloading and installing the latest Jaws 13.  I 
have never seen this happen, and this happened with another recommended 
accessible program as well.  Before installing the update, I am online just 
fine.  After installation and re-start, even though network settings say I'm 
wireless connected with excellent connection, I can't get online.  Internet 
Explorer keeps saying 1 percent, 7 percent, and connecting tab, etc.  I don't 
understand how I could be connected, and yet installing the update actually 
makes it impossible for me to go back online.  Has this ever happened to 
anyone, and is there anything at all I can do?  I've had to restore my system 
several times and just turn down the update installation when it asks if I want 
to update.  I really hope someone can help.  I even did a repair but just 
hasn't done any good.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] question on purchasing Jaws upgrades

[Joanne]

Hello.  I am confused about something the salesperson said and I wanted to ask 
the group about this to make sure.  I didn't have to do this before, or maybe 
the cost has just gone up a lot, but I wondered if we now have to pay $200 for 
the pro version and if this $200 only covers the current version with no 
upgrades.  I thought I had, in the past, purchased my upgrades and I always 
received 2 upgrades within that price, and before the cost had never been 
$400--$200 for, say, Jaws 13 and then an extra $200 for 2 more upgrades.  I am 
current on my upgrades and haven't skipped but am now using 12, wanting to go 
to 13.  I do not want to start any debates about cost or any of that, and the 
moderator certainly doesn't want this either.  It's more a confusion I have 
than anything, because I was sure that, with past purchases, the price didn't 
double when I made one purchase for 3 versions.  I hope someone can clarify.
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[JAWS-Users] when clicking on system tray items it shows desktop icons

[Joanne]

Not sure how else to say subject line, but what happens is, let's say I want to 
go to system tray and find Jaws or MSIE or any item in the tray.  I hit enter, 
and instead of going to the options that pertain to the item--options like 
maybe open, exit, etc.--it shows the icons on desktop.  Volume, for instance, 
is a good example.  Instead of saying open volume control when entering on 
the volume icon in the tray, it says my documents, my computer, etc.  Then if 
I hit escape and go to the tray again and open volume, at that time it is in 
the menu pertaining to the volume's options.  I don't know if this is a Jaws 
problem or not, but I do know that hitting insert F11 shouldn't show desktop 
icons when entering on a tray item, and why it would show the correct menus the 
second time instead of the first is kind of a mystery.  Using Jaws 12 and XP 
Home.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] where is the F.S. tutorial on ribbon menus?

[Joanne]

I simply can't understand ribbons and am afraid to try newer versions of 
programs--WLM 2011 being one example.  Most likely I'll try sticking with older 
versions of programs as long as possible, but is there an F.S. tutorial on how 
to use these ribbons?  Thanks.
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[JAWS-Users] cannot erase and write a date over a filled-in edit field

[Joanne]

I have a situation where, on a bank site, you should be able to fill in a date 
for making automatic payments.  Normally, with forms mode on, one can backspace 
over the date or numbers that are already there, and then replace the edit 
field with whatever you want to replace it with.  Also, I can't even read the 
numbers that are there with forms mode on.  In other words, I can't cursor left 
or right to see where I am in the field.  I'm sure I'm not explaining this 
right, but using Jaws 12 or 10--tried both--with Internet Explorer 8.  My main 
computer is XP, and I even went to my Windows 7 laptop and same scenario:  
unable to backspace through an edit field so I can replace it with new info.  
Has anyone come across this, and do you know if there's a way to do what I want 
without sighted assistance?

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] jaws 12/will not stay on highlighted text

[Joanne]

I thought I had it set to highlighted text using insert vs., but if I move from 
window to another it goes back to all.  Steve is right, that my text was indeed 
on all, but now how do I get it to stay on highlighted text only, no matter 
what application or no matter if I close and then re-open a window or not?

Joanne
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Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws 12/will not stay on highlighted text

[Joanne]

I do that, but it won't stay highlighted as soon as I leave my window.
- Original Message - 
From: Adi Kushnir adikush...@gmail.com

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws 12/will not stay on highlighted text



Hi,
Just press insert+s until you here highlited.

-Original Message-
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Joanne
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 11:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] jaws 12/will not stay on highlighted text

I thought I had it set to highlighted text using insert vs., but if I move
from window to another it goes back to all.  Steve is right, that my text
was indeed on all, but now how do I get it to stay on highlighted text 
only,
no matter what application or no matter if I close and then re-open a 
window

or not?

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] asked this before but need to explain more/jaws 12 saying too much after a list item

[Joanne]

I really hope someone who knows how to use this new type of configuration 
manager in Jaws 12 might know how to set verbosity up right.  With verbosity 
supposedly on advanced--although I can't really confirm this with the new 
config manager--Jaws is speaking things after list items in a folder that I 
don't need spoken.  Verbosity  says Jaws short message, but when going through 
a list I hear different things spoken after the items.  I may hear something 
like, the name of a song or show or something, and after the name it may say 
file menu tools, favorites, etc.  Or instead of saying file menu, etc., it will 
say the size and length of the item listed and how many items are selected.  I 
do use my insert 3 sometimes when I want to read a status line, but I don't 
know why so much is spoken after the selected item.  I just want it to say the 
name and one of 23 or whatever, like version 10 did.  Is there a fix?

And on a side note, is there any way I can revert back to a more familiar 
configuration like earlier versions had?

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[JAWS-Users] how to get jaws 12 to not say 1 item selected

[Joanne]

With Jaws 10, if I select an item in a list it speaks the item but doesn't say 
1 item selected after the item.  With Jaws 12, even though my verbosity 
settings look like those in 10, it says 1 item selected while the cursor is on 
an item, and I don't really need it to speak that phrase.  What am I doing 
incorrectly?  I have it on advanced and short message but can't get it to stop 
saying this.  Thanks.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] does Jaws work with DVR feature in ATT Uverse

[Joanne]

My friends have Jaws 11 and XP, and wondered if they could access the online 
DVR feature with ATT Uverse.  She can't find the button for recording, so 
wondered if anyone used this feature and if there's a trick to making Jaws 
locate this button.  I'm betting there's flash and page-refreshing going on 
with the site, being that it's a TV one, but if anyone has pointers we'd 
appreciate help.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] in new jaws 12, stopping it from saying too much

[Joanne]

I didn't know how else to introduce topic, but I don't know if something can be 
changed in the new Jaws 12 to get it to not say a couple things that my Jaws 10 
didn't say.  First, if I select a lot or even a couple items it says 2 items 
selected and then says what the items are.  Or as you're reading through your 
list view it says, for instance, a song's name and then says file edit view, 
like it's reading a menu and I never hit the alt key.

When I'm hitting control O to open an item in internet explorer, it keeps 
speaking search for as I try typing an address to open.  I don't have it set to 
characters for typing, but it'll say search for as I'm typing the Web address.  
My verbosity is on advanced, but is there something in verbosity that I can 
check to get it to speak only the item and not to go into this file edit thing, 
and to not speak during an open web address when hitting control O?

Thanks for any help. 
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[JAWS-Users] sometimes have to use the jaws key and Z to get web pages to read

[Joanne]

Again this has been ongoing with Jaws 11 and 12.  When on the Internet, often a 
page will open and I can't get any items or links to speak, until I turn off 
virtual cursor and then turn virtual cursor back on with the jaws key and Z 
pressed together.  As I said in previous post, Jaws 10 worked well for 
Internet, but I really want to stick with 12 if I can, because I'm trying 
Windows Live Mail so I can get used to it, and 12 does read email better it 
seems.

Thanks for any help.
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[JAWS-Users] cannot keep a checkbox unchecked

[Joanne]

I have read the F.S. recommended settings for display, using XP.  I am trying 
to follow the directions for task bar and start menu, because I think that 
these directions might help to show all my system tray items.  The directions 
say to go on task bar part of the task bar and start menu page, and hit alt G 
and make sure this is unchecked.  Then it says to press alt H and uncheck that 
too.  I don't know why, but unchecking these items doesn't seem to work.  I 
open the page again and both these items say checked.  Why won't these stay 
unchecked, and what can I do to try and fix this very annoying problem?

Thanks.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] how to silence tab key in jaws 12

[Joanne]

My friend prefers her Jaws to be on speak all characters, as in the alphabet or 
number characters, but she wants her tab key silenced.  She is using Jaws 12, 
and I know in past versions we could check or uncheck keys under keyboard 
manager.  Does anyone know how to silence tab without silencing the other 
characters she types?  Thanks.
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[JAWS-Users] Jaws 12 not reading paragraphs or emails as my other versions did

[Joanne]

Well first, I am using latest Jaws 12 with XP Home, and with both Jaws 11 and 
12 I don't like the way it reads my Outlook Express mail.  When I hit delete 
and go to the next message it appears to not go to the very top, where you can 
hear who it's from.  It says, for instance, 13 links, but you don't hear the 
name as in Jaws 10.  So that bugs me.

But the other thing it's doing is, when I go to proofread mail and sometimes 
want to read something by paragraph, using control down arrow, it won't stop at 
one paragraph.  For instance, say I want to see something in paragraph 3.  You 
can't; it won't control down arrow to the paragraph and acts like there's no 
paragraph break.  

I removed my version that I downloaded with the Jaws updates feature and 
reinstalled from F.S. site, but it's still reading incorrectly.  Can someone 
help?

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] jaws 12/how can I find where it doesn't say link in Web documents

[Joanne]

I am setting up my settings but don't know what to fix so I can read stories or 
articles online without it saying link all the way through.  I understand 
there's a way to make it ding or something when a link is there, but one can 
silence the spoken word link.  I'm just not sure where in the tree view this 
can be found.  Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?

[Joanne]

So far Jaws 12 is working great.  Very responsive on both my XP and Windows 
7 computer.  And what a surprise to find Winamp scripts for my 64 bit 
machine finally.  I also like the ribbon menu because it provides list view 
info on my Windows 7 computer that I didn't have before.  Whereas I had 
email reading problems in Jaws 11 with both Windows Live Mail and Outlook 
Express, those problems don't seem to be cropping up with 12.  I just 
started using it but so far haven't noticed problems.


Joanne
- Original Message - 
From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?



Hello List,

I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have 
installed it.


Regards,
Eric
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[JAWS-Users] hope this is Jaws-related/can't create a hot key

[Joanne]

I hope not off-topic, but as I use Jaws and learned about hot keys from using 
this program I really need help.  I have hot keys set up in places like Jaws or 
Internet Explorer, etc., and I used to have one in Windows Media Library.  But 
when I clicked on properties of the library it doesn't show that target key hot 
key item in general tab like it used to.  It says something about 3 state 
button and there's no edit field anymore so I can fix this.  I don't know if 
this is Jaws-related and Jaws isn't seeing that edit box, or if something got 
damaged with the folder to where it doesn't give the hot key option anymore 
under properties, general tab.   Using Jaws 10 and XP Home.  Any thoughts would 
be appreciated.
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[JAWS-Users] reading numbers

[Joanne]

What I want to be able to do, and I don't know if it's possible, is to read a 
list of numbers as single digits.  For instance, if you have an account number 
or card number that is long, it's hard to hear it spoken in millions, 
thousands, etc.  So I changed it in text processing to speak one number at a 
time.  Works great with a group of long numbers, but now it says 1 1 for 11, 1 
5 for 15, etc.  Is there any way to make it so, if you go over a certain amount 
of numbers, it will go to speak them one at a time, but not necessarily the 
lower numbers?  If not I guess I'll have to have it speak individual numbers in 
a list, but hoping there might be some type of workaround.  Thanks.
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[JAWS-Users] program and help needed for converting image PDF to OCR file

[Joanne]

Some of my very important documents have been sent to me from places like banks 
and legal places, but they are in picture PDF form.  I did look on the programs 
page and thought the PDF to OCR would be perfect, but when extracted it shows a 
list of 8 things and I have no idea what any of these items does.  There isn't 
a help file, and there doesn't seem to be menus for conversion or places where 
you can select a PDF file and folder to browse, etc.  I don't even see it in 
programs in start menu or on desktop.  It simply unzips unrecognizable folders 
but I don't feel it's completely installed.

If someone has a solution for this or even another easier program so Jaws can 
read these image files, please let me know.

Thanks.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] possible work-around for when seeing no links on a web page

[Joanne]

Well it keeps happening with more and more consistency--that problem of opening 
a Web page and not being able to find links.  I know others made suggestions 
such as turning off and on virtual cursor or refreshing page.  These have 
worked at times, but I found something else that I don't know whether or not 
this has been discussed.  Lately I started just plain leaving the window--just 
alt-tabbing to something else for a minute or so.  Then when I alt-tab back to 
my Internet page the links seem to be there.  I don't know if this is 
fool-proof and would work consistently for everyone, but this seems to be the 
method that works most of the time for me.  I am hoping this is on topic, as it 
seems that the newer versions of Jaws have caused these blank pages to happen 
more often.  But just thought I'd share what seems to be working well here as 
far as being able to see Web pages instead of just seeing them blank.
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[JAWS-Users] internet explorer showing blank pages when using jaws

[Joanne]

I'm using Jaws 10 and 11 with XP Home, and it seems that either of these 2 Jaws 
versions has not been working when using I.E. 8.  What I wish I could do is get 
rid of the stuff on the left side of the page--that Web address and home split 
button you see.  Because that actually seems to be where the problem lies--plus 
it is annoying because you can't just go to links like you could in I.E. 6.  
What seems to happen is, it tells you you're on the right page, but going past 
that home split thing it shows nothing.  I sometimes see links if I turn off 
and on the virtual cursor, or if I hit F5 to refresh.  But often I can't get 
the links and text bodies of the pages to show up.  I know it went to the right 
page but something is either blocking it or something is maybe set wrong in 
config.  Now the odd thing is, usually when using my special version of Jaws 8 
this doesn't happen; however I can't use Jaws 8 to find a favorite because 
hitting alt and the letter a it doesn't read the list of favorites.  So if 
anyone can help resolve these issues would appreciate it.

Also does F.S. recommend anything regarding tool bars?  Should they be locked, 
and which ones would one use when browsing with Jaws?  I just wondered if that 
had any difference in my not getting links to come up.

Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] internet explorer showing blank pages when usingjaws

[Joanne]

Mike and others, I do use Jaws 10 or 11 most of the time, but as an 
experiment I have used Jaws 8 to see if it worked better.  It is definitely 
more limited than 10 or 11 in many areas.  But my concern was that, even 
when using a newer Jaws, the pages show no links or text when going past the 
home split button.  I'll stay away from 8 since it doesn't read menus, but 
would like to know how to make 10 and 11 read the links on the page instead 
of seeing it blank.  I'm trying to see if it's a Jaws issue and if either a 
tool bar needs to be checked or if something in HTML options isn't set 
correctly.  I know others have had trouble getting pages to come up and 
would be interested in how they resolved the issue.  Thanks.
- Original Message - 
From: Mike  Barbara mb69ma...@charter.net

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] internet explorer showing blank pages when 
usingjaws




Hi Joann;

You mention that you are running Jaws 8.  Jaws 8 won't work with IE8.  You
need at the minimum, Jaws 9, latest version, and Freedom Scientific says 
you

need Jaws 10 to use IE8.  If you are going to use Jaws8, I would suggest
rolling back to IE6 / 7, if possible.  Hope this helps.  Take care.

Mike,
It's tax time!  Remember folks, if you add, IRS to the word, the, you get 
T

H E I R S .  That spells THEIRS!
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 From: Joanne

 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
 Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:45 AM
 Subject: [JAWS-Users] internet explorer showing blank pages when using
jaws


 I'm using Jaws 10 and 11 with XP Home, and it seems that either of these 
2

Jaws versions has not been working when using I.E. 8.  What I wish I could
do is get rid of the stuff on the left side of the page--that Web address
and home split button you see.  Because that actually seems to be where 
the

problem lies--plus it is annoying because you can't just go to links like
you could in I.E. 6.  What seems to happen is, it tells you you're on the
right page, but going past that home split thing it shows nothing.  I
sometimes see links if I turn off and on the virtual cursor, or if I hit 
F5
to refresh.  But often I can't get the links and text bodies of the pages 
to
show up.  I know it went to the right page but something is either 
blocking
it or something is maybe set wrong in config.  Now the odd thing is, 
usually
when using my special version of Jaws 8 this doesn't happen; however I 
can't

use Jaws 8 to find a favorite because hitting alt and the letter a it
doesn't read the list of favorites.  So if anyone can help resolve these
issues would appreciate it.

 Also does F.S. recommend anything regarding tool bars?  Should they be
locked, and which ones would one use when browsing with Jaws?  I just
wondered if that had any difference in my not getting links to come up.

 Thanks.
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[JAWS-Users] are there yet scripts for Winamp on 64 bit machines?

[Joanne]

I just wondered if anyone knew anything about this, or might know of someone 
who may be writing scripts and may want to try making one for Winamp with 64 
bit.  I'm kind of surprised nothing's come up, so thought I'd inquire.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] Jaws not reading verbosity list items

[Joanne]

I'm using Jaws 10 with XP, and actually this particular problem also occurred 
when using 11.  10 seems to work overall better for me, but one thing I've 
noticed is, when I am in config manager and want to look at the list of 
verbosity items to check or uncheck, Jaws only reads item number one.  If I 
arrow down to the next item and then shift-tab and tab back it'll tell me what 
item I've selected.  But it should just read down the list and it doesn't.  I 
don't yet know if this is the only place it won't read a complete list on; as I 
explore my newly-built computer I'm so far finding most list views everywhere 
else reading okay.  I have not had to change much in config, so can't tell you 
if there are other places there where a list won't read, but definitely the 
verbosity list will only read first item.  

Hope someone can help.

Joanne
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[JAWS-Users] what screen resolution do you recommend for windows 7

[joanne]

I don't really know if there is a difference in XP or Windows 7 settings 
regarding screen resolution settings.  I had thought that for XP Freedom 
Scientific's recommended setting was 1024/768.  But as there hasn't yet been 
a list of recommended settings for Jaws to work optimally with Windows 7, 
I'm wondering what setting some of you might have your resolution on and 
what you think makes Jaws work the best.  I've had other reading issues I've 
asked groups about, but what concerns me now is that I must refresh my 
screen every time a new message opens in Windows Live Mail.  Jaws may 
sometimes read the next message after one has been deleted, but more times 
than not the only way to get it to read the next message is to 
screen-refresh it every time.  A friend who remote-connected to help me once 
also said he couldn't read the screen at 1024/768, but I don't think that 
selected items or checkboxes were reading correctly at 800/600.  I think 
there may be some type of focus issue, whether screen resolution or 
something else, because the other thing Jaws will do is just start reading 
everything on desktop when I go to the desktop--in other words instead of 
just saying not selected and one item it starts announcing everything on the 
desktop until I hit the control key.  It also does this at startup, like 
it's having trouble focusing in on one thing.  So I'm concerned about either 
screen or display settings that are perhaps not set correctly.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] window 7 and vista

[joanne]

I never used Vista but I did see a friend install and work with it with 
Jaws.  I don't think he cared for it much, but my daughter says some of the 
menus and the control panel resemble XP.  I am right now using a 
computer--hopefully temporarily--with Windows 7.  Some blind people say it 
works similar to XP but I don't see how.  And keeping this on the topic of 
Jaws, I find that Jaws has a hard time giving us detailed info in Windows 7. 
I will warn anyone who tries it that the folders are a nightmare, but 
another Jaws user did give me a fix for this--although Jaws still won't read 
exactly how many items a folder has.  The control panel in 7 is set up with 
links, and I find it very hard to find what I need to find.  And if your 
computer is a 64-bit, I don't think Jaws scripts have been made for programs 
like Winamp that I used with ease in XP.  F.S. is trying to keep up with 
these new programs, but I think they're either too graphical or just too 
hard to get around, and F.S. is doing all they can.


I will say that this machine with Windows 7 does a great job surfing the 
Net.  In XP using Internet Explorer 7 it looked like many sites were 
Jaws-inaccessible.  But Windows 7 and Internet 8 seem to work well for 
working with websites.


But it's the off-line features of Windows 7 that I wish could be changed, or 
at least a more blind-friendly or classical-menu-type setup should come out 
for us.



--
From: Rick Justice ricjust...@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:50 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] window 7 and vista


Hi Kimsan,
Windows 7 is really nothing more than a stripped down version of Vista.
If I were forced to move to a new operating system from Microsoft,
it would certainly not be Vista.
So far, my computing experience with Jaws 11 and Windows 7 has been less
than desirable.
It's a shame that companies these days will ruin a decent product in the
name of money.
HTH,
Rick Justice
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From: Kimsan ksong8...@msn.com

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:10 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] window 7 and vista


So with vista out and window seven out. I just want to get some opinions
concerning the two.
I hear that window seven is just an extention of vista, what did this 
person

say? Window seven is the sister program of vista. I'm thinking about
purchasing a new laptop but if W seven is not much of a difference from
vista then I will just stick w/what I have.Don't go around saying the 
world

owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. - Mark
Twain
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[JAWS-Users] accessibility using media players with windows 7 and 64 bit

[joanne]

Again a question regarding Windows 7 with 64 bit, and it's definitely 
Jaws-related because I have noticed that Jaws commands I could once use in 
Winamp are a thing of the past.  I don't know if any new scripts have been made 
for this setup.

If not, I'll move on to Windows Media Player and ask if anyone has successfully 
gotten around its menus and can find its equalizer.  Music is flat-sounding in 
either player, and I would assume Media Player, as part of Windows 7, will have 
a functional equalizer.  I just don't know how to find it, and the menus and 
buttons don't seem to make a lot of sense. 

I hope someone can shed light on this.  I'm thinking Winamp may not be made to 
be totally functional with this setup, but is there a way to at least get Jaws 
11 to work in Media Player and to find its equalizer?

Thanks.
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[JAWS-Users] jaws is saying checkbox but won't say if it's checked or unchecked

[joanne]

I probably didn't set something right in either config manager or in my new 
computer's control panel options--don't know which, as I'm wandering around in 
this Windows 7 and don't really know a thing about it.  But there are some Jaws 
issues and here's one:  Instead of saying if a checkbox is checked or unchecked 
it just says checkbox.  I am using Jaws 11 for 64-bit, and I notice the 
options are a little different using this particular Jaws.  I hope someone can 
tell me how to get it to tell me if boxes are checked or unchecked.
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[JAWS-Users] jaws giving too much info and repeating in Windows Live Mail

[joanne]

Don't know if this is a verbosity issue or a Windows Live Mail issue, and if 
anyone can find an easier email client to deal with for Windows 7 I'd 
appreciate it.  For one thing Windows Live Mail puts each account into separate 
folders, which is a pain.  But my Jaws issue is, while scrolling through 
messages, Jaws says the words subject and received, and it also tells 
everything from the size of the message to what folder it's in.  

The other thing that happens is, when I delete a message, Jaws will speak the 
name of the message I deleted instead of just going to the next message.

I cannot switch Jaws versions, unfortunately, because this machine is 64 bit, 
and this is just one of several Jaws issues I need help with.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] problem with a file called J hook.dll

[Joanne]

Thanks everyone.  One more question:  Brian was correct in saying each 
jhook.dll file must stay in its own version, because when I tried to copy 
from another version ... no more Jaws 11.  So would you recommend just 
reinstalling Jaws 11, or should I first do a clean uninstall and then put it 
back in?


What originally happened was that Firefox or Internet Explorer would crash, 
and my sighted friend looked at error details and said it had something to 
do with a corrupt or missing jhook.dll file.  So would a complete removal 
and then a reinstall probably be the best solution to this?


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[JAWS-Users] question about scan results list in avast

[Joanne]

First, thanks to Roger for letting me know I don't really have to do full scans 
with Avast as often as I thought I had to.  But I do want to ask a question 
that was asked by another group member, and if it was answered I do apologize 
but cannot seem to find the reply.  This did happen to me when I scanned, so 
hoping someone won't mind answering this.  I had the exact experience the other 
group member had, in that a list would come up that said things Avast could not 
scan, as these were supposedly password-protected and INY files.  I don't get 
this, as I don't think anything is password protected here, and it didn't 
mention on the results list what was able to be scanned.  I got the okay bell 
so know everything's okay, but what does this INY list mean and can settings be 
changed so that isn't shown?  Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] how to set up Avast so it works better with Jaws

[Joanne]

Thank you for this info, Mike.  I have it running but am now wondering about 
updates.  Since this is the free version, do I need to update it myself once 
a week or so, or does this update definitions regularly?


And is it normal for it to take a very long time to do a thorough scan?  I 
think this is what it's set on, and it barely moves percentage-wise and has 
so far taken about an hour.  I have 2 hard drives in here so maybe that's 
the norm but just wanted to know.


Thanks again.

Joanne 



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Re: [JAWS-Users] how to set up Avast so it works better with Jaws

[Joanne]

Chrissy and others, I think I may not have all the check boxes correct. 
Would I just check the archive and hard disc ones, or leave them all 
unchecked?  I definitely don't have folders checked because it looked pretty 
confusing when I did try, but wondered how you have your check boxes set up. 
I appreciate your help. 



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[JAWS-Users] how to set up Avast so it works better with Jaws

[Joanne]

I have the free Avast installed and it's definitely running, but I am not sure 
how to use its features.  Is there a tutorial on this program, or can someone 
tell me how to get started?  I have been told, but not in detail, that first 
something must be set up in config manager to maximize its usefulness with 
Jaws.  Is this correct?  I did hit context menu in Avast and supposedly started 
a scan, but I couldn't tell if it was really scanning, not even with Jaws 
cursor routed.  All it showed on my screen was a simple interface thing and 
then the unflattering word dummy checkbox not checked--what this means I 
don't know.  I must not have it set up right, because a friend says she can 
find her scan button, etc., and I don't really see buttons.  Because a sighted 
person set it up for her, she doesn't really know what to tell me about getting 
it started in an accessible way.  I prefer to do what I can for myself so am 
hoping for suggestions.

Thanks.

Joanne
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