Re: KR> KR 1 project

[Larry Flesner via KRnet]

At 10:47 PM 1/2/2017, you wrote:

what is the estimated empty weight, did he mention a number?

++

No, but I'm guessing it will be a bit on the heavy side for a KR1, 
even with a light engine.


Larry Flesner 



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Re: KR> KR 1 project

[Kayak Chris via KRnet]

what is the estimated empty weight, did he mention a number?

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Re: KR> KR 1 project

[Larry Flesner via KRnet]

At 08:38 PM 1/2/2017, you wrote:

is the sides of this fuselage fiberglass instead of  plywood?  Also
are the rib to spar shelf brackets temporary?

+++

No plywood on the fuselage.  Foam center with two layers of glass on 
the outside and one layer of glass on the inside.


Dennis asked for feedback and one of my several observations and 
suggestions was to remove the brackets and cut lightening holes in 
the ribs.  Several other areas of minor overbuild but overall I can't 
fault his workmanship.


Larry Flesner 



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Re: KR> KR 1 project

[Kayak Chris via KRnet]

ok no retracts, duh, shoulda gone back and looked.  ideally I'd like
to build a tri-retract, original size KR1, with engine back against
the firewall as original, and with a normalizing turbocharger. the
main retracts are easy. the nose can swing back halfway into a center
pocket (I think). as to a small normalizing turbocharger, tight
squeeze and heat issues. which is why it would most likely be added
later, in a phase two.

point being, I am happy to see some added complexity is possible with
enough thought and skill!

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Re: KR> KR 1 project

[Larry Flesner via KRnet]

At 09:23 PM 1/2/2017, you wrote:

very cool!  question, I think you said it had retracts, if so where
does the nosegear retract to?

+

No retracts.  It does have a steerable nose wheel.

Larry Flesner 



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Re: KR> KR 1 project

[Tinyauto--- via KRnet]

I don't think he said retracts.  He said it had tricycle gear.   Normally 
these are tail draggers.
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/2/2017 9:24:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
krnet@list.krnet.org writes:

very  cool!  question, I think you said it had retracts, if so where
does  the nosegear retract  to?

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Re: KR> KR 1 project

[Kayak Chris via KRnet]

very cool!  question, I think you said it had retracts, if so where
does the nosegear retract to?

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Re: KR> KR 1 project

[Tinyauto--- via KRnet]

Well I must say Dennis is building very different from what is normally  
seen.  The photos bring up a lot of questions.  You may have mentioned  it 
before, but is the sides of this fuselage fiberglass instead of  plywood?  Also 
are the rib to spar shelf brackets temporary?  Neat  canopy.  I am thinking 
this guy has built things other than airplanes  before.  Great that he is 
building in a basement just like me!!   Probably shouldn't have invited him 
to this group as it may corrupt him.  I  like that he has done so much 
without feedback, that he is building trike gear,  and that he is building the 
best KR.  A KR1.  
 
Kevin Golden
Streak Shadow
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/2/2017 4:39:17 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
krnet@list.krnet.org writes:



I returned to a local KR1 project today for some photos to  share with the  
net.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/IMG_8976.JPG

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/IMG_8979.JPG

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/IMG_8981.JPG   folding  wing

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/IMG_8982.JPG

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/IMG_8980.JPG   steerable nose  
wheel

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/IMG_8985.JPG

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/IMG_8988.JPG

The  folding wing is a one man process: remove the pins, pull the wing 
panel  outboard (it is spring loaded) and rotate it to the rear.

It will fly  with a 2si 70 hp two cycle water cooled engine.  The 
builder is this  far along in just 13 months and hopes to be flying by 
midsummer.  I'm  pushing him to make Lee Summitt but that will be a 
stretch so to those  attending, this will be your last chance for any 
trophies.

I  encouraged Dennis to join the net so you may be able to e-mail him 
direct  in the near future.  Just don't slow down his building.

Larry  Flesner


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KR> KR-1 Experimental Aircraft - $3100 (Pioneer, CA)

[svd]

TWIMC - Found this on Craigslist:

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvs/5586836702.html

Vintage 1970s KR-1 Aircraft, known as "The Eagle" was built in Ione, CA by the 
late Dr. Anthony Guidon, and featured in his book "A Plane Life". This airplane 
was flown in Ione and at Rancho Murietta Airport; but is now stored. Includes 
dash instruments, VW engine, detached wings. Needs some TLC and would make a 
great EAA restoration project. Serious inquiries only. Transportation not 
included.

KR> KR-1 prototype info

[Chris Prata]

N1436 is hanging I believe at EAA museum. But I dont know if that is an 
evolution of the prototype, or a later bird.  

> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 23:43:56 +
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: KR> KR-1 prototype info
> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> My name is Graham Banham, and i'm a model builder in the UK. I'm looking to 
> build a model of Ken Rand's KR-1 prototype after the fitment of the bubble 
> canopy.
> 
> Does anyone know of a source for a three view general arrangement drawing of 
> this aircraft, and photographs?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Graham
> 
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KR> KR-1 prototype info

[Virgil N.Salisbury]

 I think 1" to the foot would be great, Virg


 On 3/12/2015 7:43 PM, Graham via KRnet wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> My name is Graham Banham, and i'm a model builder in the UK. I'm looking to 
> build a model of Ken Rand's KR-1 prototype after the fitment of the bubble 
> canopy.
>
> Does anyone know of a source for a three view general arrangement drawing of 
> this aircraft, and photographs?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Graham
>
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KR> KR-1 prototype info

[Graham]

Hi All,

My name is Graham Banham, and i'm a model builder in the UK. I'm looking to 
build a model of Ken Rand's KR-1 prototype after the fitment of the bubble 
canopy.

Does anyone know of a source for a three view general arrangement drawing of 
this aircraft, and photographs?

Many thanks

Graham

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KR> KR-1 Corvair...

[Tesch, Noel]

Here is a link to an accident report for a KR2 with a turbo.  I don't know if 
it was the same one.

http://www.aopa.org/asf/ntsb/narrative.cfm?ackey=1=20050527X00684

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From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of bjoenunley 
via KRnet
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:01 AM
To: Adam via KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Corvair...

How does the turbine KR2 story end?

Joe


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 Original message From: Adam via KRnet  Date:01/21/2015  8:21 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: ppaulvsk ,KRnet  
Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Corvair...  
http://www.n56ml.com/strent.html
This is the link to the KR2T story. Turbine powered KR2. Not a good ending. 

Adam Tippin
A KR2S builder

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 8:43 PM, ppaulvsk via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> I saw that someone put a turboprop on one. I don't know if it ever flew.  
> Maybe someone does.
> 
> Paul Visk
> Belleville Il
> 618-406-4705
> 
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KR> KR-1 Corvair...

[bjoenunley]

How have I NOT heard of the Yamaha Genesis1200 engine before?! ?And my new 
engine shipped out of Maryland today...

So true Kevin. 4 stroke, dual overhead cams, up to 5 valves per cylinder, 
available fuel injection. All they need is a turbo. Liquid cooled internal 
combustion engines, getting smaller, making more power, less weight, no carbs, 
no mags.?

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 Original message From: "Teate, Stephen via 
KRnet"  Date:01/21/2015  8:58 AM  
(GMT-06:00) To: "'tinyauto at aol.com'" ,'KRnet'  Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 
Corvair... 
"I thought a neat engine for the KR would be the Yamaha Genesis (Vector 
snowmobile) engine."  

So true Kevin. 4 stroke, dual overhead cams, up to 5 valves per cylinder, 
available fuel injection. All they need is a turbo. Liquid cooled internal 
combustion engines, getting smaller, making more power, less weight, no carbs, 
no mags. 

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Paradise, Texas



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KR> KR-1 Corvair...

[bjoenunley]

How does the turbine KR2 story end?

Joe


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 Original message From: Adam via KRnet  Date:01/21/2015  8:21 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: ppaulvsk ,KRnet  
Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Corvair... 
http://www.n56ml.com/strent.html
This is the link to the KR2T story. Turbine powered KR2. Not a good ending. 

Adam Tippin
A KR2S builder

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 8:43 PM, ppaulvsk via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> I saw that someone put a turboprop on one. I don't know if it ever flew.  
> Maybe someone does.
> 
> Paul Visk
> Belleville Il
> 618-406-4705
> 
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KR> KR-1 Corvair...

[Tony King]

I recall hearing of an O-320 on a KR, but I believe it crashed and killed
the pilot.  Not sure of the details or whether the engine was a factor.

TK

On 21 January 2015 at 11:43, ppaulvsk via KRnet 
wrote:

> I saw that someone put a turboprop on one. I don't know if it ever flew.
> Maybe someone does.
>
> Paul Visk
> Belleville Il
> 618-406-4705
>
>
> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4.
>
>  Original message From: bjoenunley via
> KRnet  Date:01/20/2015  8:32 PM
> (GMT-05:00) To: ppaulvsk via KRnet 
> Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Corvair... 
> Paul said, Corvair on a KR1, WOW! That would be a lot of engine.
>
> Has anyone ever put more than an O-200 on a KR2?   Say an O-235 or so...
>
> Joe
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>  Original message From: ppaulvsk via KRnet
>  Date:01/20/2015  5:23 PM  (GMT-06:00)
> To: John Edwards ,KRnet <
> krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Corvair...
> 
> WOW! That would be a lot of engine
>
> Paul Visk
> Belleville Il
> 618-406-4705
>
>
> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4.
>
>  Original message ----From: John Edwards via
> KRnet  Date:01/20/2015  3:01 PM
> (GMT-05:00) To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: KR>
> KR-1 Corvair... 
> Does anyone know of a KR-1/Corvair that has flown?
>
> I have a KR-1/VW1835cc that I fly as my daily flyer.
>
> I am considering upgrading to a Corvair 3000cc since this is the
> lightest version in the Corvair line.
> Has anyone flown a KR-1/Corvair combo?
>
> John E
>
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KR> KR-1 Corvair...

[tinyauto at aol.com]

I thought a neat engine for the KR would be the Yamaha Genesis (Vector 
snowmobile) engine.  120-150 HP in a tiny 4 stroke package.  There is even a 
commercial conversion adapter being made for it now that adapts the Rotax 
gearbox to the engine. I think the running weight is somewhere around 160 lbs.  
Not sure if that includes radiator. 
Kevin Golden

KR> KR-1 Corvair...

[Adam]

http://www.n56ml.com/strent.html
This is the link to the KR2T story. Turbine powered KR2. Not a good ending. 

Adam Tippin
A KR2S builder

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 8:43 PM, ppaulvsk via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> I saw that someone put a turboprop on one. I don't know if it ever flew.  
> Maybe someone does.
> 
> Paul Visk
> Belleville Il
> 618-406-4705
> 

KR> KR-1 Corvair...

[rbaalman at cox.net]

I will be installing an O235 in my KR2S.  I believe the Lycoming will be 
happier in the KR2 than the C152.  I have to get through the sanding, sanding, 
sanding first.
Roger Baalman
Owasso, OK
rbaalman at cox.net


 Dan Prichard via KRnet  wrote: 
> Look at the krnet. Lynn Hyder put an o235 on his modified kr2. I saw it a few 
> months ago at his daughters house in SW Portland. Wings were sawed off.  He 
> was trying to sell the engine. 

Dan Prichard 
Portland Oregon 

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> On Jan 20, 2015, at 5:32 PM, bjoenunley via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> Paul said, Corvair on a KR1, WOW! That would be a lot of engine.
> 
> Has anyone ever put more than an O-200 on a KR2?   Say an O-235 or so...
> 
> Joe
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> 
>  Original message From: ppaulvsk via KRnet 
>  Date:01/20/2015  5:23 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
> To: John Edwards ,KRnet  list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Corvair... 
> WOW! That would be a lot of engine
> 
> Paul Visk
> Belleville Il
> 618-406-4705
> 
> 
> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4.
> 
>  Original message From: John Edwards via 
> KRnet  Date:01/20/2015  3:01 PM  
> (GMT-05:00) To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: KR> 
> KR-1 Corvair... 
> Does anyone know of a KR-1/Corvair that has flown?
> 
> I have a KR-1/VW1835cc that I fly as my daily flyer.
> 
> I am considering upgrading to a Corvair 3000cc since this is the 
> lightest version in the Corvair line.
> Has anyone flown a KR-1/Corvair combo?
> 
> John E
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KR> KR-1 Corvair...

[John Edwards]

On 1/20/2015 3:31 PM, ppaulvsk via KRnet wrote:
> My 3000 cc will weigh about 225 lbs. I don't know what your 1835 cc weighs.
>
> Paul Visk
> Belleville Il
> 618-406-4705
>
>
>
> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4.
>
>  Original message From: ppaulvsk via KRnet 
>  Date:01/20/2015  6:23 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
> To: John Edwards ,KRnet  list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Corvair... 
> WOW! That would be a lot of engine
>
> Paul Visk
> Belleville Il
> 618-406-4705
>
>
> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4.
>
>  Original message From: John Edwards via 
> KRnet  Date:01/20/2015  3:01 PM  
> (GMT-05:00) To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: KR> 
> KR-1 Corvair... 
> Does anyone know of a KR-1/Corvair that has flown?
>
> I have a KR-1/VW1835cc that I fly as my daily flyer.
>
> I am considering upgrading to a Corvair 3000cc since this is the
> lightest version in the Corvair line.
> Has anyone flown a KR-1/Corvair combo?
>
> John E
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Most if not all 3000cc Corvairs weigh 7lbs less than the adveritised 
225lbs due to the machine work done on the crankcase.
Mine should weigh in about 210lbs

KR> KR-1 Corvair...

[Dan Prichard]

Look at the krnet. Lynn Hyder put an o235 on his modified kr2. I saw it a few 
months ago at his daughters house in SW Portland. Wings were sawed off.  He was 
trying to sell the engine. 

Dan Prichard 
Portland Oregon 

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> On Jan 20, 2015, at 5:32 PM, bjoenunley via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> Paul said, Corvair on a KR1, WOW! That would be a lot of engine.
> 
> Has anyone ever put more than an O-200 on a KR2?   Say an O-235 or so...
> 
> Joe
> 
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>  Original message From: ppaulvsk via KRnet 
>  Date:01/20/2015  5:23 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
> To: John Edwards ,KRnet  list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Corvair... 
> WOW! That would be a lot of engine
> 
> Paul Visk
> Belleville Il
> 618-406-4705
> 
> 
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>  Original message From: John Edwards via 
> KRnet  Date:01/20/2015  3:01 PM  
> (GMT-05:00) To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: KR> 
> KR-1 Corvair... 
> Does anyone know of a KR-1/Corvair that has flown?
> 
> I have a KR-1/VW1835cc that I fly as my daily flyer.
> 
> I am considering upgrading to a Corvair 3000cc since this is the 
> lightest version in the Corvair line.
> Has anyone flown a KR-1/Corvair combo?
> 
> John E
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KR> KR-1 Corvair...

[ppaulvsk]

I saw that someone put a turboprop on one. I don't know if it ever flew. ?Maybe 
someone does.

Paul Visk
Belleville Il
618-406-4705


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 Original message From: bjoenunley via KRnet 
 Date:01/20/2015  8:32 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: ppaulvsk via KRnet  Subject: 
Re: KR> KR-1 Corvair... 
Paul said, Corvair on a KR1, WOW! That would be a lot of engine.

Has anyone ever put more than an O-200 on a KR2?   Say an O-235 or so...

Joe

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 Original message From: ppaulvsk via KRnet 
 Date:01/20/2015  5:23 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: John Edwards ,KRnet  Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Corvair... 
WOW! That would be a lot of engine

Paul Visk
Belleville Il
618-406-4705


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 Original message From: John Edwards via KRnet 
 Date:01/20/2015  3:01 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: KR> KR-1 Corvair... 

Does anyone know of a KR-1/Corvair that has flown?

I have a KR-1/VW1835cc that I fly as my daily flyer.

I am considering upgrading to a Corvair 3000cc since this is the 
lightest version in the Corvair line.
Has anyone flown a KR-1/Corvair combo?

John E

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KR> KR-1 Corvair...

[Mark Langford]

John Edwards wrote:

 > Has anyone flown a KR-1/Corvair combo?

I don't know of one, but Richard Shirley has a 3300 Jabiru on his KR-1, 
which is essentially the same power, but  lighter.  Some weight in the 
tail would be required, and the wing loading would be high, and landing 
speed correspondingly higher than with a lighter engine.  But that's 
essentially what I plan on doing, with more wing area and a longer tail 
to tame pitch sensitivity.  Loads of fun would be assured, as well as 
200 mph plus, straight and level.

Steve Trentmans's turbine KR-2T  has flown plenty, but it's a 
gas-guzzler, at something like 12 gph.  There are details from Steve at 
http://www.n56ml.com/strent.html, and also in one of the Pine Bluff 
gathering sites on www.KRnet.org.

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com

KR> KR-1 Corvair...

[ppaulvsk]

My 3000 cc will weigh about 225 lbs. I don't know what your 1835 cc weighs.

Paul Visk
Belleville Il
618-406-4705



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 Original message From: ppaulvsk via KRnet 
 Date:01/20/2015  6:23 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: John Edwards ,KRnet  Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Corvair... 
WOW! That would be a lot of engine

Paul Visk
Belleville Il
618-406-4705


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 Original message From: John Edwards via KRnet 
 Date:01/20/2015  3:01 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: KR> KR-1 Corvair... 

Does anyone know of a KR-1/Corvair that has flown?

I have a KR-1/VW1835cc that I fly as my daily flyer.

I am considering upgrading to a Corvair 3000cc since this is the 
lightest version in the Corvair line.
Has anyone flown a KR-1/Corvair combo?

John E

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KR> KR-1 Corvair...

[ppaulvsk]

WOW! That would be a lot of engine

Paul Visk
Belleville Il
618-406-4705


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 Original message From: John Edwards via KRnet 
 Date:01/20/2015  3:01 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: KR> KR-1 Corvair... 

Does anyone know of a KR-1/Corvair that has flown?

I have a KR-1/VW1835cc that I fly as my daily flyer.

I am considering upgrading to a Corvair 3000cc since this is the 
lightest version in the Corvair line.
Has anyone flown a KR-1/Corvair combo?

John E

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KR> KR-1 Corvair...

[John Edwards]

Does anyone know of a KR-1/Corvair that has flown?

I have a KR-1/VW1835cc that I fly as my daily flyer.

I am considering upgrading to a Corvair 3000cc since this is the 
lightest version in the Corvair line.
Has anyone flown a KR-1/Corvair combo?

John E

KR> KR-1 or single seat KR-2S

[laser147 at juno.com]

Jeff said, 

"Despite Paul's criticism, the VW powerplant works pretty well.  Mike
Stirewalt, who will undoubtedly chime in here, owns the KR 1 1/2, built
by Ken Cottle, then sold to Steve Bennett, then to Mike.  If I recall
correctly, it is a stock KR-2 that is narrowed a bit to make a
comfortable single seat cockpit.  I know Mike likes to fly it high and
long and it performs reasonably well.  Build it light and clean."

That's all true, almost.  Ken Cottle built this KR-1? from KR-1 plans,
widening the fuselage to 24" (I think it's 24" - could be 30" - losing my
memory) at the cockpit.  He lengthened it 7 inches ahead of the spar for
additional leg room since Ken's a tall guy.  I imagine the extra leg room
is one reason Steve Bennett wanted this plane.   Ken added 14" to the
rear.   Ken narrowed the stub wings a bit from plans and then used Diehl
skins and tail feathers.  Looking at receipts this afternoon I saw the
receipt (3/2/86) for the wing skins - $800.  Tailfeathers from Diehl were
$450.  Wingspan is 20' 8" and yes, this plane loves flying high thanks to
the nice wing area and the GP 2180 has no problem with high altitude
airports.  It has an EFS-2 Ellison carb and currently a Sterba 52'x56"
prop that allows the engine to run full throttle at 3100 at altitude
(10.5 to 14.5) where it cruises at 149 MPH at 3.5 to 4 GPH.  Fuel on
board is 21 gallons.  I've never gotten around to narrowing my cooling
inlets so I'm carrying a ton of cooling drag - pushing air back out the
front.  Probably get at least another 5 MPH if I ever do that.  I should
have modified my cooling inlets a long time ago.   

There's nothing to criticise about the VW, either Great Plains or
Revmaster.  GP engines are less expensive to maintain since Revmaster is
proprietery with some engine components.   A nice Corvair with that
additional bearing and an Ellison carb would be a truly wonderful smooth
engine for little money.  But my plane came with what it's got and it
flies beautifully.  

Setting a KR-2 up as a single-seater is a great idea though.  Look at
George McHenry's adaptation for perhaps the most luxurious example.  That
extra room in the cockpit and on the panel is nice.

My first KR, a standard KR-2 which I sold in 1989, had sling seats and a
center stick.  I used to sit in the center and enjoy the head room and
space on each side for charts & other stuff.  When I occasionally took
someone flying in it, it was not much fun except for short local flights.
 I'm sure the S is a big improvement with two up.   

Mike
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KR> KR-1 drawings missing from plans

[Tim Hoversten]

Greetings from OSH!

I purchased a set of KR-1 plans from Jeanette Rand in Feb of 2009, and am 
getting ready to start building. I was reviewing the plans booklet and 
revisions, and noticed there are some drawings that are missing.?

On page 22, step 8.1.1 refers to drawing #9 concerning rudder pedals and pg 25, 
step 8.1.5 refers to rudder cables and nicopress fittings, also on drawing #9.

On page 49, steps 14.2 and 14.9 refer to back up plates in the firewall area 
and to drawing #13

Also on page 49, step 14.9 refers to drawing #14, regarding engine mounts and 
mounting hardware.


Is there any way to get drawings 9, 13 and 14 for the KR-1?
?
Tim Hoversten
Oshkosh, WI

?
"Whatever you think is impossible, is really impossible for you. And whatever 
you think is possible, it really is possible for you, just don't be afraid to 
try it. Make a plan, consult with your friends and with the experts, with 
everyone who can help you - and follow your dreams. Life is easy. So keep 
smiling and be happy!" - Jan Hercek, Slovenian paraplegic pilot??

KR> KR-1

[David Rayburn]

If you would be in the market for a boat stage KR1 that has been done
rite with tons of extras, ( Sort of as a parts spare ) I have almost
everything you need to finish the air frame. At a price that could
save you several thousand.   And I might even be able to deliver it
for just travel expenses. This could be a cheap way to put your
restoration into fast forward.  And I guarantee you won't be
disappointed with the workmanship on this project.

Dave  314 971 3433

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Steve Rice  wrote:
> Ok, I got the KR-1 form a friend that had it stored forever. It was however,
> in far worse shape than I had thought that it was. I firgure that it is
> repairable, but I am in the process of calculating how much time and money
> it will take. Upon investigation, I discovered that the sheer web of the
> main center spar has the grain running horizontal. Looking at the manual, it
> shows that the grain is to be verticle. I am just learning about wood
> structure airplanes, so help here is REALLY needed. There are some big RED
> flags that I see in the construction of this plane. Am I correct in thinking
> that having the sheer web grain in the wrong direction is a really bad
> thing? I have some grave concerns now about restoring this plane.
> Thanks for any help
> steve...@gmail.com
>
> --
> Have a good day -- Steve
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KR> KR-1

[Marty Martin]

Look to see just what the top and bottom spar material is.  As long as it is
Stica Spruce or Clear Doug Fur.  You will be fine.  You can use a power hand
planner and remove the web on both sides.  As l have done this very same
thing but only to one side and just at the end.  So I just used a power hand
planner and removed the web.  The smaller the cut the more control you
have.  Don't get in a hurry.

Of coarse, this is only the case as long as any other webbing on the project
(fuselage) is correct.  don't think  you can correct the fuselage by
glassing it.  That is just no good and it adds unneeded weight.  So if the
fuselage is wrong, it will be good fire wood this winter.  But check out any
other installed webbing to see that it is installed correctly before
thinking you have something that can be worked.

Marty Martin

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Larry Flesner
wrote:

> At 11:06 PM 8/9/2011, you wrote:
> >Ok, I got the KR-1 form a friend that had it stored forever.  Upon
> >investigation, I discovered that the sheer web of the
> >main center spar has the grain running horizontal.
>
> +++
>
> That was a good spot.  I'm not sure how many folks would have caught
> that error.  Is the center section spar installed in the fuselage
> already?  Have the spars run through a planer and remove the ply,
> check the woodwork and rebuild.
>
>

KR> KR-1

[Larry Flesner]

At 11:06 PM 8/9/2011, you wrote:
>Ok, I got the KR-1 form a friend that had it stored forever.  Upon 
>investigation, I discovered that the sheer web of the
>main center spar has the grain running horizontal.
+++

That was a good spot.  I'm not sure how many folks would have caught 
that error.  Is the center section spar installed in the fuselage 
already?  Have the spars run through a planer and remove the ply, 
check the woodwork and rebuild.

If you have "grave concerns"about the airplane you may never 
really be comfortable with it.  Getting a second or third opinion 
after a close inspection may change your mind or you may want to 
spend your time on a project more to your liking.

Larry Flesner

KR> KR-1

[Steve Rice]

Ok, I got the KR-1 form a friend that had it stored forever. It was however,
in far worse shape than I had thought that it was. I firgure that it is
repairable, but I am in the process of calculating how much time and money
it will take. Upon investigation, I discovered that the sheer web of the
main center spar has the grain running horizontal. Looking at the manual, it
shows that the grain is to be verticle. I am just learning about wood
structure airplanes, so help here is REALLY needed. There are some big RED
flags that I see in the construction of this plane. Am I correct in thinking
that having the sheer web grain in the wrong direction is a really bad
thing? I have some grave concerns now about restoring this plane.
Thanks for any help
steve...@gmail.com

-- 
Have a good day -- Steve

KR> KR-1, 2 project & parts

[laser...@juno.com]

Thurman is a long-time-back KR guy.  Sorry to see he's hanging it up . . . age 
gets us all eventually.  

Mike
KSEE



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KR> KR-1 Plans - Plus Stuff (LONG)

[John Caudle]

Hi Steve,

Once again I apologize to you and the list.  I can make no excuse for my actions
other than I picked the wrong place to vent.  I am truly sorry!

Gods Speed, 

J.E. Caudle

Fenwick, WV

363TB (On the Bench)
<>

Over the years I have seen this kind of letter from many experimental  
aircraft companies before.  Few are still with us.  Good luck with  your 
advancement of the KR.

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO

KR> KR-1 Plans - Plus Stuff (LONG)

[Ray Fuenzalida]

Hey Steve,
I never listen to the gripes of others because it is too easy to gripe and too 
hard to accept and understand or at the very least contact you first.  Don't 
worry about it.  I am sorry you even felt the need to respond to this guy.
 
Also, if you host a Gathering I promise to come.  If it's 2012 it will be in a 
KR2S.
Ray
New Orleans

--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Plane Nut <n92...@cox.net> wrote:


From: Plane Nut <n92...@cox.net>
Subject: RE: KR> KR-1 Plans - Plus Stuff (LONG)
To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 10:12 PM


Netter's,

As most of you know, we took over operations from RR this past year.  So one
can imagine there has been some growing pains while attempting to get things
moving again.  Between a blown out knee, moving in and out of hangars for
due to potential flooding, and now with moving into a larger facility in
attempt to streamline and be more productive, this has been a HUGE
undertaking.   We are working diligently to get the remaining orders out
that we have and anticipate having everything caught up by the end of the
year or shortly after depending on temperatures for the glass work. (Thank
you for your patience to those we have outstanding orders with)

Currently there is myself, and my partner Eric primarily doing EVERYTHING
for production!  We do not have enough revenue to hire employees as there
still is not enough volume as we attempt to reenergize the KR design in the
homebuilt community.  This IS NOT our primary method for making a living.
Eric is still on active duty with the US Navy and lives a couple hours away.
He is instrumental in taking care of all website and administrative duties
for nV Aero. He travels to the hangar to help with production, etc. when his
time permits based upon his current Op Temp.  Otherwise, production is
basically me.  I do the ordering, stocking, fabricating and any other gopher
jobs required.  We have some items contracted out such as welding, precision
machining, etc.  

Eric and I have a desire to provide quality, affordable parts and materials
for people to build their KR aircraft.  We certainly didn't get into this to
get rich.  The first thing to understand is nV Aero does not own the rights
to the plans for any of the KR aircraft. Jeanette has a price that she sells
the plans to us. Based upon that price we charge enough to cover our
shipping and administrative costs (picking up plans from RR which is 40
miles away, and other expenses associated with packaging and shipping.)  Due
to printing costs Jeanette has raised the price of the KR-1 plans to us.
The drawings and additional copies she provides are at current market rates
from the printers.  The book is the same as everyone else has received for
the past several years but those are rapidly running out so I anticipate
another increase once the current inventory is depleted.  

This brings me to Mr. Caudle's post.  I do feel he should have contacted me
first before posting to the net with his "displeasure".  I think I addressed
it fairly well above but let me be clear, WE buy the plans for $95.  We sell
at $114.95.  We found that is easier for flat rate shipping for our shopping
cart system due to the various destinations in the US and abroad.  So, $25
for "shipping" less up to 6% for credit card processing if a Corporate card
is used. This leaves us $108.05. Subtract $5.70 for Priority Mail with
delivery confirmation leaves $102.35 less $95 for RR leaves us $7.35 for our
time to pick up plans from RR, print packing lists (The packing list was
with Mr. Caudle's registration page), registration pages, package and get
them to the post office or however we ship.  Clearly we are making a TON of
money for the hassle.

I am a little displeased myself with Mr. Caudle's post given our original
correspondence.  Nothing was misleading when he inquired about the plans and
their quality. I guess I should have been VERY specific as to the additional
pages showing the new dimensions from the KR-2 changes with drawings instead
of photos. You can see my email to him below.  

BEGIN MSG.
"Dear Mr. Caudle,

Thank you for your inquiry into the KR-1.  I have not seen the Corby Starlet
plans so could not comment on how they compare however, there have been
several hundred KR-1's build over the years.  The KR-1 plans were drawn in
the 70's and have a builders manual with approximately 64 pages. The full
size drawings are for the airfoil only.  Dimensionally the additional photos
and measurements in the manual are pretty clear.  One positive thing
regarding the KR series is the builder support is outstanding.  The KR-net
has about 600 members and answers to most of your are readily available.  Of
course you can contact us as well.   I will work on converting a copy of a
page from the plans to send to you."
END.

Keep in mind these plans were written a very long time ago.   To

KR> KR-1 Plans - Plus Stuff (LONG)

[tinya...@aol.com]

Over the years I have seen this kind of letter from many experimental  
aircraft companies before.  Few are still with us.  Good luck with  your 
advancement of the KR.

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO


In a message dated 10/19/2010 10:12:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
n92...@cox.net writes:

Netter's,

As most of you know, we took over operations from  RR this past year.  So 
one
can imagine there has been some growing  pains while attempting to get 
things
moving again.  Between a blown  out knee, moving in and out of hangars for
due to potential flooding, and  now with moving into a larger facility in
attempt to streamline and be more  productive, this has been a HUGE
undertaking.   We are working  diligently to get the remaining orders out
that we have and anticipate  having everything caught up by the end of the
year or shortly after  depending on temperatures for the glass work. (Thank
you for your patience  to those we have outstanding orders with)

Currently there is myself,  and my partner Eric primarily doing EVERYTHING
for production!  We do  not have enough revenue to hire employees as there
still is not enough  volume as we attempt to reenergize the KR design in the
homebuilt  community.  This IS NOT our primary method for making a living.
Eric  is still on active duty with the US Navy and lives a couple hours 
away.
He  is instrumental in taking care of all website and administrative duties
for  nV Aero. He travels to the hangar to help with production, etc. when  
his
time permits based upon his current Op Temp.  Otherwise,  production is
basically me.  I do the ordering, stocking, fabricating  and any other 
gopher
jobs required.  We have some items contracted out  such as welding, 
precision
machining, etc.  

Eric and I have a  desire to provide quality, affordable parts and materials
for people to  build their KR aircraft.  We certainly didn't get into this 
to
get  rich.  The first thing to understand is nV Aero does not own the  
rights
to the plans for any of the KR aircraft. Jeanette has a price that  she 
sells
the plans to us. Based upon that price we charge enough to cover  our
shipping and administrative costs (picking up plans from RR which is  40
miles away, and other expenses associated with packaging and  shipping.)  
Due
to printing costs Jeanette has raised the price of the  KR-1 plans to us.
The drawings and additional copies she provides are at  current market rates
from the printers.  The book is the same as  everyone else has received for
the past several years but those are rapidly  running out so I anticipate
another increase once the current inventory is  depleted.  

This brings me to Mr. Caudle's post.  I do feel  he should have contacted me
first before posting to the net with his  "displeasure".  I think I 
addressed
it fairly well above but let me be  clear, WE buy the plans for $95.  We 
sell
at $114.95.  We found  that is easier for flat rate shipping for our 
shopping
cart system due to  the various destinations in the US and abroad.  So, $25
for "shipping"  less up to 6% for credit card processing if a Corporate card
is used. This  leaves us $108.05. Subtract $5.70 for Priority Mail with
delivery  confirmation leaves $102.35 less $95 for RR leaves us $7.35 for 
our
time to  pick up plans from RR, print packing lists (The packing list was
with Mr.  Caudle's registration page), registration pages, package and get
them to  the post office or however we ship.  Clearly we are making a TON  
of
money for the hassle.

I am a little displeased myself with Mr.  Caudle's post given our original
correspondence.  Nothing was  misleading when he inquired about the plans 
and
their quality. I guess I  should have been VERY specific as to the 
additional
pages showing the new  dimensions from the KR-2 changes with drawings 
instead
of photos. You can  see my email to him below.  

BEGIN MSG.
"Dear Mr.  Caudle,

Thank you for your inquiry into the KR-1.  I have not seen  the Corby 
Starlet
plans so could not comment on how they compare however,  there have been
several hundred KR-1's build over the years.  The KR-1  plans were drawn in
the 70's and have a builders manual with approximately  64 pages. The full
size drawings are for the airfoil only.   Dimensionally the additional 
photos
and measurements in the manual are  pretty clear.  One positive thing
regarding the KR series is the  builder support is outstanding.  The KR-net
has about 600 members and  answers to most of your are readily available.  
Of
course you can  contact us as well.   I will work on converting a copy of a
page  from the plans to send to you."
END.

Keep in mind these plans were  written a very long time ago.   To answer the
various questions  posted regarding the KR-1 plans.  The pages that have 
been
removed  from the back of the manual were outdated and did not reflect
current  building recommendations.  There also was engine info from  
Revmaster
as well as parts and kit availability that is 

KR> KR-1 Plans - Plus Stuff (LONG)

[Marc Baca]

Steve;

I'm based out at El Monte and have a KR-1. I"m 17 minutes away by C-172.   I 
would be willing to volunteer some production time it it would help you.   My 
interest would be to learn techniques.  


Marc Baca
mbf...@yahoo.com





From: Plane Nut <n92...@cox.net>
To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 8:12:06 PM
Subject: RE: KR> KR-1 Plans - Plus Stuff (LONG)

Netter's,

As most of you know, we took over operations from RR this past year.  So one
can imagine there has been some growing pains while attempting to get things
moving again.  Between a blown out knee, moving in and out of hangars for
due to potential flooding, and now with moving into a larger facility in
attempt to streamline and be more productive, this has been a HUGE
undertaking.   We are working diligently to get the remaining orders out
that we have and anticipate having everything caught up by the end of the
year or shortly after depending on temperatures for the glass work. (Thank
you for your patience to those we have outstanding orders with)

Currently there is myself, and my partner Eric primarily doing EVERYTHING
for production!  We do not have enough revenue to hire employees as there
still is not enough volume as we attempt to reenergize the KR design in the
homebuilt community.  This IS NOT our primary method for making a living.
Eric is still on active duty with the US Navy and lives a couple hours away.
He is instrumental in taking care of all website and administrative duties
for nV Aero. He travels to the hangar to help with production, etc. when his
time permits based upon his current Op Temp.  Otherwise, production is
basically me.  I do the ordering, stocking, fabricating and any other gopher
jobs required.  We have some items contracted out such as welding, precision
machining, etc.  

Eric and I have a desire to provide quality, affordable parts and materials
for people to build their KR aircraft.  We certainly didn't get into this to
get rich.  The first thing to understand is nV Aero does not own the rights
to the plans for any of the KR aircraft. Jeanette has a price that she sells
the plans to us. Based upon that price we charge enough to cover our
shipping and administrative costs (picking up plans from RR which is 40
miles away, and other expenses associated with packaging and shipping.)  Due
to printing costs Jeanette has raised the price of the KR-1 plans to us.
The drawings and additional copies she provides are at current market rates
from the printers.  The book is the same as everyone else has received for
the past several years but those are rapidly running out so I anticipate
another increase once the current inventory is depleted.  

This brings me to Mr. Caudle's post.  I do feel he should have contacted me
first before posting to the net with his "displeasure".  I think I addressed
it fairly well above but let me be clear, WE buy the plans for $95.  We sell
at $114.95.  We found that is easier for flat rate shipping for our shopping
cart system due to the various destinations in the US and abroad.  So, $25
for "shipping" less up to 6% for credit card processing if a Corporate card
is used. This leaves us $108.05. Subtract $5.70 for Priority Mail with
delivery confirmation leaves $102.35 less $95 for RR leaves us $7.35 for our
time to pick up plans from RR, print packing lists (The packing list was
with Mr. Caudle's registration page), registration pages, package and get
them to the post office or however we ship.  Clearly we are making a TON of
money for the hassle.

I am a little displeased myself with Mr. Caudle's post given our original
correspondence.  Nothing was misleading when he inquired about the plans and
their quality. I guess I should have been VERY specific as to the additional
pages showing the new dimensions from the KR-2 changes with drawings instead
of photos. You can see my email to him below.  

BEGIN MSG.
"Dear Mr. Caudle,

Thank you for your inquiry into the KR-1.  I have not seen the Corby Starlet
plans so could not comment on how they compare however, there have been
several hundred KR-1's build over the years.  The KR-1 plans were drawn in
the 70's and have a builders manual with approximately 64 pages. The full
size drawings are for the airfoil only.  Dimensionally the additional photos
and measurements in the manual are pretty clear.  One positive thing
regarding the KR series is the builder support is outstanding.  The KR-net
has about 600 members and answers to most of your are readily available.  Of
course you can contact us as well.   I will work on converting a copy of a
page from the plans to send to you."
END.

Keep in mind these plans were written a very long time ago.   To answer the
various questions posted regarding the KR-1 plans.  The pages that have been
removed from the back of the manual were outdated and did not reflect
current building recommendations. 

KR> KR-1 Plans - Plus Stuff (LONG)

[Plane Nut]

Netter's,

As most of you know, we took over operations from RR this past year.  So one
can imagine there has been some growing pains while attempting to get things
moving again.  Between a blown out knee, moving in and out of hangars for
due to potential flooding, and now with moving into a larger facility in
attempt to streamline and be more productive, this has been a HUGE
undertaking.   We are working diligently to get the remaining orders out
that we have and anticipate having everything caught up by the end of the
year or shortly after depending on temperatures for the glass work. (Thank
you for your patience to those we have outstanding orders with)

Currently there is myself, and my partner Eric primarily doing EVERYTHING
for production!  We do not have enough revenue to hire employees as there
still is not enough volume as we attempt to reenergize the KR design in the
homebuilt community.  This IS NOT our primary method for making a living.
Eric is still on active duty with the US Navy and lives a couple hours away.
He is instrumental in taking care of all website and administrative duties
for nV Aero. He travels to the hangar to help with production, etc. when his
time permits based upon his current Op Temp.  Otherwise, production is
basically me.  I do the ordering, stocking, fabricating and any other gopher
jobs required.  We have some items contracted out such as welding, precision
machining, etc.  

Eric and I have a desire to provide quality, affordable parts and materials
for people to build their KR aircraft.  We certainly didn't get into this to
get rich.  The first thing to understand is nV Aero does not own the rights
to the plans for any of the KR aircraft. Jeanette has a price that she sells
the plans to us. Based upon that price we charge enough to cover our
shipping and administrative costs (picking up plans from RR which is 40
miles away, and other expenses associated with packaging and shipping.)  Due
to printing costs Jeanette has raised the price of the KR-1 plans to us.
The drawings and additional copies she provides are at current market rates
from the printers.  The book is the same as everyone else has received for
the past several years but those are rapidly running out so I anticipate
another increase once the current inventory is depleted.  

This brings me to Mr. Caudle's post.  I do feel he should have contacted me
first before posting to the net with his "displeasure".  I think I addressed
it fairly well above but let me be clear, WE buy the plans for $95.  We sell
at $114.95.  We found that is easier for flat rate shipping for our shopping
cart system due to the various destinations in the US and abroad.  So, $25
for "shipping" less up to 6% for credit card processing if a Corporate card
is used. This leaves us $108.05. Subtract $5.70 for Priority Mail with
delivery confirmation leaves $102.35 less $95 for RR leaves us $7.35 for our
time to pick up plans from RR, print packing lists (The packing list was
with Mr. Caudle's registration page), registration pages, package and get
them to the post office or however we ship.  Clearly we are making a TON of
money for the hassle.

I am a little displeased myself with Mr. Caudle's post given our original
correspondence.  Nothing was misleading when he inquired about the plans and
their quality. I guess I should have been VERY specific as to the additional
pages showing the new dimensions from the KR-2 changes with drawings instead
of photos. You can see my email to him below.  

BEGIN MSG.
"Dear Mr. Caudle,

Thank you for your inquiry into the KR-1.  I have not seen the Corby Starlet
plans so could not comment on how they compare however, there have been
several hundred KR-1's build over the years.  The KR-1 plans were drawn in
the 70's and have a builders manual with approximately 64 pages. The full
size drawings are for the airfoil only.  Dimensionally the additional photos
and measurements in the manual are pretty clear.  One positive thing
regarding the KR series is the builder support is outstanding.  The KR-net
has about 600 members and answers to most of your are readily available.  Of
course you can contact us as well.   I will work on converting a copy of a
page from the plans to send to you."
END.

Keep in mind these plans were written a very long time ago.   To answer the
various questions posted regarding the KR-1 plans.  The pages that have been
removed from the back of the manual were outdated and did not reflect
current building recommendations.  There also was engine info from Revmaster
as well as parts and kit availability that is not longer valid.  These pages
are removed by RR before we receive them. 

Hopefully this clears up any questions regarding the plans or our commitment
to the KR series of aircraft.  

We have just moved into a 60' X 60' hangar at Corona (AJO) and are planning
a build out to incorporate packing facilities, kitchen, bath office, and
classroom/ pilot lounge areas.  Our goal is to 

KR> KR-1 Plans

[Bob Buzby]

i am happy with what i bought...Ken Rand was an amazing man...'nuff said for 
me...i learned a lot...

> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 13:29:56 -0700
> From: jdl...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> 
> Hi Ed,
> 
> I would say they are a little better now... 8 -)
> 
> J.E. Caudle
> 
> Fenwick, WV
> 
> 363TB (On the Bench)
> <>
> 
> Early KR-1 plans were pretty cheap (cost and quality) - at least the set I 
> had -  
> <>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
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KR> KR-1 Plans

[John Caudle]

Hi Ed,

I would say they are a little better now... 8 -)

J.E. Caudle

Fenwick, WV

363TB (On the Bench)
<>

Early KR-1 plans were pretty cheap (cost and quality) - at least the set I 
had -  
<>

KR> KR-1 Plans

[tinya...@aol.com]

I have KR plans purchased directly from Jeanette.  I gave her $60 I  think 
it was, and she gave me the plans in person.  As odd as this may  sound, I 
didn't buy my KR drawings because I was wanting a KR.  I buy plans  mostly as 
a collector, used more for education.  I am a member of the KR  group 
because I enjoy the groups activity, the "get-r-done" attitude, and the  ideas 
that come from the members as they build their aircraft.  The KR  has evolved 
into something other than what the plans offer.  I don't think  you want to 
build either a KR1 or 2 without a HUGE dose of internet research,  going to 
the yearly fly-in, or visiting one on one with those who have been  there.  
If you don't do at least 2 of the three you will be sorry down the  line.  

What do I think of the plans?  I think I could build a rocket ship of  an 
airplane from them using the new airfoil.  To power the  airplane I would use 
the 120 HP Yamaha Vector snowmobile engine like is being  used in the 
gyrocopters.  I bet it would cruise well past  redline. 

What am I building?  Streak Shadow from an old kit.  I want to  fly from my 
property (short) and be able to cruise at least 100 mph.  I  have my eyes 
on the Yamaha for this airplane too.  Same weight/size as the  Geo metro, but 
twice the power.

If a KR is what you want, then a KR you shall have.  There is  massive 
amount of information out there.  I have never met a person  who isn't willing 
to share their construction work. 

Go to it.

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO.







In a message dated 10/18/2010 12:45:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
jdl...@yahoo.com writes:

Men of  KR Flight:

I just received my KR-1 plans and am not overly  pleased.

1)   Shipping and Handling cost $25.00 for a package  the USPS shipped for 
$6.00
2)   No packing  list.
3)   Several prints labeled KR-2...
4)   6 pages  missing from the instruction manual.  

At this point I don't know  if I have everything I need to build the 
aircraft or not.
I have a sinking  feeling I wasted $139.00.  I thought my Corby plans left 
something
to  be desired.  After paging through the KR-1 plans I will never say a bad 
 word
about the Corby prints again!

I ran across a post in the  archive that advised purchasing the KR-2 plans 
to supplement
the KR-1  plans.  It sure seems a shame to have to spend an additional 
$204.95 plus  $25.00 for shipping to get what you need to build the craft...  
Is 
any  one else having this issue?

Respectfully,

HillBilly  John
Fenwick, West Virginia   

J.E. Caudle

Fenwick,  WV

363TB (On the Bench)



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KR> KR-1 Plans

[Bob Buzby]

mine cost about $70 and i Could build it, too...ji'm just not sure it would 
Fly...

> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:55:04 -0700
> From: mijni...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> 
> Mine cost $15.00 if I remember right,but I could build the airplane from them.
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Ed Janssen <ejans...@chipsnet.com>
> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 3:00:51 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans
> 
> Early KR-1 plans were pretty cheap (cost and quality) - at least the set I 
> had -  sorta gave you an idea how to put the plane together, leaving much to 
> the imagination.  It had such detailed directions as "fit and fair the 
> aileron to the wing."
> 
> Ed J.
> 
> --
> From: "John Caudle" <jdl...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 1:10 PM
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans
> 
> > Hi Matt,
> >
> > Thanks for your reply!  It sounds like I have what you have.
> > The last change was in the 80' (I think...)
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
>   
> 
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KR> KR-1 Plans

[James Ferris]

Mine cost $15.00 if I remember right,but I could build the airplane from them.


- Original Message 
From: Ed Janssen <ejans...@chipsnet.com>
To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 3:00:51 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans

Early KR-1 plans were pretty cheap (cost and quality) - at least the set I 
had -  sorta gave you an idea how to put the plane together, leaving much to 
the imagination.  It had such detailed directions as "fit and fair the 
aileron to the wing."

Ed J.

--
From: "John Caudle" <jdl...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 1:10 PM
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans

> Hi Matt,
>
> Thanks for your reply!  It sounds like I have what you have.
> The last change was in the 80' (I think...)



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KR> KR-1 Plans

[Bob Buzby]

now you have me laughing...thank you...  

my plans have no fuselage drawings...nor dimensions...

i think a few 'things' were skipped...   fit and fair ! haha !

> From: ejans...@chipsnet.com
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:00:51 -0500
> 
> Early KR-1 plans were pretty cheap (cost and quality) - at least the set I 
> had -  sorta gave you an idea how to put the plane together, leaving much to 
> the imagination.  It had such detailed directions as "fit and fair the 
> aileron to the wing."
> 
> Ed J.
> 
> --
> From: "John Caudle" <jdl...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 1:10 PM
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans
> 
> > Hi Matt,
> >
> > Thanks for your reply!  It sounds like I have what you have.
> > The last change was in the 80' (I think...)
>  
> 
> 
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KR> KR-1 Plans

[John Caudle]

Hi Jim,

Thanks for your suggestion. I have been to Mr. Landford's
site several times.  It was his aircraft that got me interested
in the KR-xxx!

Gods Speed,

J.E. Caudle

Fenwick, WV

363TB (On the Bench)
<>

Go to KR net and look at some of the buiding accounts, especially Langfords, 
you 
need to do this even if you had the best set of plans in the world.
Jim

KR> KR-1 Plans

[Ed Janssen]

Early KR-1 plans were pretty cheap (cost and quality) - at least the set I 
had -  sorta gave you an idea how to put the plane together, leaving much to 
the imagination.  It had such detailed directions as "fit and fair the 
aileron to the wing."

Ed J.

--
From: "John Caudle" <jdl...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 1:10 PM
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans

> Hi Matt,
>
> Thanks for your reply!  It sounds like I have what you have.
> The last change was in the 80' (I think...)

KR> KR-1 Plans

[James Ferris]

Go to KR net and look at some of the buiding accounts, especially Langfords, 
you 
need to do this even if you had the best set of plans in the world.
Jim



- Original Message 
From: "mel...@maxqcomposites.com" <mel...@maxqcomposites.com>
To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 1:49:57 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans

> The biggest problem is I don't know if I have a problem. (Plans related
> that is.)
> 
> My question to the group is, do I have what I need to build the
aircraft?


As I'm building a KR-1 (kinda) I may be able to help out here.
I don't have the whole inventory listing of what you have, but I can tell
you what came with mine... 

Builders "Manual" (roughly 70 pages or so... don't quote me on the
number).
Supplement pack of drawings (some of which are indeed labeled with KR-2,
because they are common)
Misc package with W info, kit pricing, etc... 

I didn't get mine from Steve (bought in 2003), but I'm assuming they are
probably still the same.

No, they aren't the most detailed and informative plans there, but after
you read through them a couple times, 
you get the idea.  There is enough information to build the plane, even if
you have to deduce some of the figures for
yourself.

If you have any specific questions, feel free to shoot me an email.  

Matt



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KR> KR-1 Plans

[John Caudle]

Hi Matt,

Thanks for your reply!  It sounds like I have what you have.
The last change was in the 80' (I think...)

Gods Speed,

J.E. Caudle

Fenwick, WV

363TB (On the Bench)

<>
As I'm building a KR-1 (kinda) I may be able to help out here.
I don't have the whole inventory listing of what you have, but I can tell
you what came with mine... 

<>

KR> KR-1 Plans

[mel...@maxqcomposites.com]

> The biggest problem is I don't know if I have a problem. (Plans related
> that is.)
> 
> My question to the group is, do I have what I need to build the
aircraft?


As I'm building a KR-1 (kinda) I may be able to help out here.
I don't have the whole inventory listing of what you have, but I can tell
you what came with mine... 

Builders "Manual" (roughly 70 pages or so... don't quote me on the
number).
Supplement pack of drawings (some of which are indeed labeled with KR-2,
because they are common)
Misc package with W info, kit pricing, etc... 

I didn't get mine from Steve (bought in 2003), but I'm assuming they are
probably still the same.

No, they aren't the most detailed and informative plans there, but after
you read through them a couple times, 
you get the idea.  There is enough information to build the plane, even if
you have to deduce some of the figures for
yourself.

If you have any specific questions, feel free to shoot me an email.  

Matt

KR> KR-1 Plans

[John Caudle]

Hi Virgil,

While reading the archives it sounded like there  

has been issues with the KR-1 plans long before Steve took over.


You are correct!  I should have contacted Steve first and for that I
apologize to him and the group!  My post was not meant  as 
a flame!  
 
The biggest problem is I don't know if I have a problem. (Plans related that 
is.)

My question to the group is, do I have what I need to build the aircraft?

With the greatest respect,

HillBilly John

Fenwick, WV

363TB (On the Bench)

<>

From: Virgil N. Salisbury 

          Did you call Steve (???) and inform him before posting this 
comment ?
     Let him have a chance to correct the problem ! Virg
<>

KR> KR-1 Plans

[Virgil N. Salisbury]

  Did you call Steve (???) and inform him before posting this 
comment ?
 Let him have a chance to correct the problem ! Virg


 On 10/18/2010 1:45 AM, John Caudle wrote:
> Men of KR Flight:
>
> I just received my KR-1 plans and am not overly pleased.
>

KR> KR-1 Plans

[John Caudle]

Men of KR Flight:

I just received my KR-1 plans and am not overly pleased.

1)   Shipping and Handling cost $25.00 for a package the USPS shipped for $6.00
2)   No packing list.
3)   Several prints labeled KR-2...
4)   6 pages missing from the instruction manual.  

At this point I don't know if I have everything I need to build the aircraft or 
not.
I have a sinking feeling I wasted $139.00.  I thought my Corby plans left 
something
to be desired.  After paging through the KR-1 plans I will never say a bad word
about the Corby prints again!

I ran across a post in the archive that advised purchasing the KR-2 plans to 
supplement
the KR-1 plans.  It sure seems a shame to have to spend an additional $204.95 
plus $25.00 for shipping to get what you need to build the craft...  Is any one 
else having this issue?

Respectfully,

HillBilly John
Fenwick, West Virginia   

J.E. Caudle

Fenwick, WV

363TB (On the Bench)

KR> KR-1 on Ebay

[Eric Pitts]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KR-1-Home-built-airplane-/260601634268?cmd=ViewItem=Motors_Aircraft=item3cad115ddc

-- 
Eric Pitts
Terre Haute Ind.
http://eric.pitts.mystarband.net

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
sideways, chocolate in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out
and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Copyright ?

[tinya...@aol.com]

Very impressive posting!

Lost designs that bothered me was the Charles Fauvel  designs.  The AV361 
is the only design that survived the loss of  Charles.  Story goes that the 
widow of Charles Fauvel actually burned all  of his drawings when he died.  

Free aircraft drawings can be downloaded here:

_http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/cfair/?yguid=62311250_ 
(http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/cfair/?yguid=62311250) 

There are some surprises in this list of free drawings.  

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO




In a message dated 5/26/2009 7:33:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
2sc...@bellsouth.net writes:

While  illegality may be defined by the strict letter, damages are not.
Damages by  copyright infringement are determined mostly by loss
or decrease in  revenues.  When a copyright holder no longer is
selling or servicing,  you might be infringing on copyright but
not imflicting harm as defined by  the copyright statutes.



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KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Copyright ?

[Scott Perkins]

While illegality may be defined by the strict letter, damages are not.
Damages by copyright infringement are determined mostly by loss
or decrease in revenues.  When a copyright holder no longer is
selling or servicing, you might be infringing on copyright but
not imflicting harm as defined by the copyright statutes.

There are many instances in the world of aviation where the good
of the community overrides strict compliance with the law
such that the moral thing to do may not equate to the lagal thing.

Consider the loss of designs where the copyright owners are
deceased or cannot be found.  In those situations you have
to ask who is being harmed by the reproduction of such designs
while breaking the law.  As with most things, common sense is required.

Hundreds if not thousands of avaition designs are now lost because
of the copyright issues and it is tragic.

It is sickening to look through 20, 30 and 40 year old magazines
and see how many great little planes have disappeared along with
the hard earned knowledge of their designers.

For instance about ten years ago ( before the old and long time
librarian
retired )I inquired at the EAA and they
had sixty sets of blueprints for designs that had been donated
that were restriced to mere looking at without any kind of copying
taking place. The restrictions were not limited to copyright
but also the new lawyers fear that if you built a plane
from the knowledge obtained they feared liability. 
What the heck is the EAA all about anyway ?
Scott


Tony King wrote:
> I can sympathise with Mike in one aspect - trying to do business with RR is
> very frustrating.  I tried for several months with faxes, phone calls, etc.
> and never got any response.  In the end I gave up and some time later I
> bought a set of KR2S plans from a KRNet member who was selling his (genuine
> and unused) set.
> 
> However, whether or not the plans are readily available from RR isn't
> actually relevant.  They're the intellectual property of RR and RR can
> choose to do whatever they want with them - including never selling them to
> anyone.  That still doesn't make it legal for anyone else to violate the
> copyright.  It's the same thing as if you refuse to sell me your car so I go
> and take it.  You have no obligation to sell me your car and RR has no
> obligation to sell KR plans.  If they decide to provide lousy service (which
> was my experience), they're perfectly within their rights and if you or I
> don't like that we are under no obligation to deal with them.  If that means
> you then can't build a KR, that's the way it is.  It's not an excuse for
> ripping them off.
> 
> Tony King
> Brisbane Australia
> 
> 2009/5/26 Scott Perkins <2sc...@bellsouth.net>
> 
> > The question I have not seen answered is whether the KR-1 plans
> > are available from the RAND company and if so how much and how long
> > does it take and what kind of condition are they in.  IE such as
> > complete, hi quality, accurate etc.
> > Scott
> >
> > sidney.w...@l-3com.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >...is someone trying to down load plans without  buying them or
> > > something. If so I agree with you I have had my plans sence 1974...
> > > -
> > >
> > > My reading from the Copyright Office website indicates the KR plans
> > > copyright may expire on December 31, 2047.
> > > http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap3.html
> > > Copies of the plans sets were sold prior to 1978 and would be considered
> > > as commercialized intellectual property with a repose of 70 years from
> > > January 1, 1978.  Rand Robinson Engineering would be the legal owner of
> > > that intellectual property.
> > > The previous assertion by Mike, that the KR series plans are in the
> > > public domain, is wishful thinking on his part.
> > >
> > > Sid Wood
> > > Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
> > > Mechanicsville, MD, USA
> > >
> > > ___
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> > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net
> > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
> > >
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KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Where ? How Much? other Terms ?

[Tony King]

I can sympathise with Mike in one aspect - trying to do business with RR is
very frustrating.  I tried for several months with faxes, phone calls, etc.
and never got any response.  In the end I gave up and some time later I
bought a set of KR2S plans from a KRNet member who was selling his (genuine
and unused) set.

However, whether or not the plans are readily available from RR isn't
actually relevant.  They're the intellectual property of RR and RR can
choose to do whatever they want with them - including never selling them to
anyone.  That still doesn't make it legal for anyone else to violate the
copyright.  It's the same thing as if you refuse to sell me your car so I go
and take it.  You have no obligation to sell me your car and RR has no
obligation to sell KR plans.  If they decide to provide lousy service (which
was my experience), they're perfectly within their rights and if you or I
don't like that we are under no obligation to deal with them.  If that means
you then can't build a KR, that's the way it is.  It's not an excuse for
ripping them off.

Tony King
Brisbane Australia




2009/5/26 Scott Perkins <2sc...@bellsouth.net>

> The question I have not seen answered is whether the KR-1 plans
> are available from the RAND company and if so how much and how long
> does it take and what kind of condition are they in.  IE such as
> complete, hi quality, accurate etc.
> Scott
>
> sidney.w...@l-3com.com wrote:
> >
> > >...is someone trying to down load plans without  buying them or
> > something. If so I agree with you I have had my plans sence 1974...
> > -
> >
> > My reading from the Copyright Office website indicates the KR plans
> > copyright may expire on December 31, 2047.
> > http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap3.html
> > Copies of the plans sets were sold prior to 1978 and would be considered
> > as commercialized intellectual property with a repose of 70 years from
> > January 1, 1978.  Rand Robinson Engineering would be the legal owner of
> > that intellectual property.
> > The previous assertion by Mike, that the KR series plans are in the
> > public domain, is wishful thinking on his part.
> >
> > Sid Wood
> > Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
> > Mechanicsville, MD, USA
> >
> > ___
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> > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net
> > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
> >
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> 8:30 PM
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>

KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Where ? How Much? other Terms ?

[Mark Langford]

Scott Perkins wrote:

> The question I have not seen answered is whether the KR-1 plans
> are available from the RAND company and if so how much and how long
> does it take and what kind of condition are they in.

Sure they're still available.  See http://www.fly-kr.com/kr1.htm for how to 
order, and http://www.fly-kr.com/ for the phone/fax number.  The best (and 
perhaps only) way to get them is send a check for the proper amount 
(including shipping) and you'll get them eventually.

They are not the most detailed plans you'll ever see, but what would you 
expect for $60?  Most folks agree that there are lots of ambiguities in the 
plans, but people manage to build them just the same.  Even the KR-2 plans 
have more detail, and they are not famous for detail.

They are apparently available from Rand Robinson because the "logic" behindd 
Mike Walling posting them to the web in three different places was because:

 "I'm putting the plans on the net because I'm irritated at how long it took 
the get the plans from Rand Robinson, there was no chance of telephone 
correspondance and I was irritated by the serious lack of quality in the 
plans. "

I was stuck in an airliner when this email came across the list, but as soon 
as I read it, I unsubscribed the guy.  We don't need people like that on 
this list.  He's permanently banned.  I don't like to do that because it 
levels real safety concerns on builders, but in Mike's case, I made an 
exception.  He then signed back on with another address, which took me about 
5 seconds to ascertain that it was him, and unsubscribed that one.  The 
downside for him may be that I now know where he works and his employer's 
email address.  KRnet is now a closed list which will require authorization 
to join, starting Sunday.

I've visited the links he provided in his email, and his comments are 
deplorable.  I can't post what he said, but basically he's deliberately 
encouraging any and all comers to download and spread the plans around. 
Here's what he wrote:

>>I got kicked off of the KRnet.org mailing list
for this torrent and I make no apologies. I Figure I'll buy the next set
of plans and post them just as a F--- You<<   (letters replaced by dashes by 
ML)

This guy Mike appears to have a huge chip on his shoulder, and I personally 
would consider him to have emotional problems, or perhaps he's really only 8 
years old.  I've exchanged several emails with him, and he apparently has no 
concept of what "intellectual property" is, although he may be enlightened 
when Jeannette's daughter the attorney contacts him.  Failing that, there's 
always "bad karma"...

Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
website at http://www.N56ML.com

KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Where ? How Much? other Terms ?

[Fred Johnson]

Scott the plans are still $60.00 I believe, and takes about 4 weeks. At
least that's how long it took to get mine.



Fred Johnson
Reno, NV


The question I have not seen answered is whether the KR-1 plans
are available from the RAND company and if so how much and how long
does it take and what kind of condition are they in.  IE such as
complete, hi quality, accurate etc.
Scott

KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Where ? How Much? other Terms ?

[Ron Butterfield]

The KR-1 plans are available from Rand Robinson.

They are $65.

Delivery runs from 3-8 weeks, depending on a variety of factors.

The plans are as complete and accurate as they have ever been.  They are
more complete and accurate than the original versions, as they come with
many revisions that have been incorporated over the years.

They are not, and probably never will be, as complete as the later 2 and 2S
plans, hence the difference in price.

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Scott Perkins <2sc...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> The question I have not seen answered is whether the KR-1 plans
> are available from the RAND company and if so how much and how long
> does it take and what kind of condition are they in.  IE such as
> complete, hi quality, accurate etc.
> Scott
>
>  



-- 
Regards,
RonB

KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Where ? How Much? other Terms ?

[Mark Langford]

Scott Perkins wrote:

> The question I have not seen answered is whether the KR-1 plans
> are available from the RAND company and if so how much and how long
> does it take and what kind of condition are they in.  IE such as
> complete, hi quality, accurate etc.

Well, Mike, the guy who posted the plans to the web wrote:

> I'm putting the plans on the net because I'm irritated at how long it took
> the get the plans from Rand Robinson, there was no chance of telephone
> correspondance and I was irritated by the serious lack of quality in the
> plans.

Which I interpret to mean that he eventually got them, and is one of the two 
sets he scanned and made available to whoever wants to download them.  Or 
you could do the RIGHT thing and send a check to the address at 
www.fly-kr.com  (plans prices are there as well).

I'll probably have a lot more to say on this later, but suffice it to say 
that Mike's been unsubscribed and banned from the list.  I don't like doing 
that because I consider it to be a safety issue when you cut somebody off 
from the list, but in his case, I've certainly made an exception.

As for quality, the plans are ancient and leave a lot to the imagination 
(even more than the KR-2 plans), but as many have said before, a plane can 
be built from them.  I own a set myself, which I bought and paid for.

Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
mail: N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
website: www.N56ML.com 

KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Where ? How Much? other Terms ?

[Scott Perkins]

The question I have not seen answered is whether the KR-1 plans
are available from the RAND company and if so how much and how long
does it take and what kind of condition are they in.  IE such as
complete, hi quality, accurate etc.
Scott

sidney.w...@l-3com.com wrote:
> 
> >...is someone trying to down load plans without  buying them or
> something. If so I agree with you I have had my plans sence 1974...
> -
> 
> My reading from the Copyright Office website indicates the KR plans
> copyright may expire on December 31, 2047.
> http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap3.html
> Copies of the plans sets were sold prior to 1978 and would be considered
> as commercialized intellectual property with a repose of 70 years from
> January 1, 1978.  Rand Robinson Engineering would be the legal owner of
> that intellectual property.
> The previous assertion by Mike, that the KR series plans are in the
> public domain, is wishful thinking on his part.
> 
> Sid Wood
> Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
> Mechanicsville, MD, USA
> 
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KR> KR-1 Plans Available

[Charles Brown]

What is going on, my enternet has been down for a day and I come on and her 
things going on, is someone trying to down load plans without  buying them or 
something. If so I agree with you I have had my plans sence 1974 and really 
need to update them. someone wants something for nothing I don't agree. Ken 
Rand was a great man have enough respect to buy the plans the right way.





From: Phillip Matheson <phillipmathe...@bigpond.com>
To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:02:36 AM
Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans Available

Mike, I can only wish 2 things happen to you for this action:
---
I also have used Rand/Roberson a number of times and have not had any 
problem by just sending the money and wait.

I think you have done the wrong thing also.

Phil Matheson
SAAA Ch. 20  http://www.saaa20.org/
VH-PKR
Australia

EMAIL:  phillipmathe...@bigpond.com
KR Web Page: www.philskr2.50megs.com


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KR> KR-1 Plans Available

[Lee Parker]

To copy someone's plans is stealing.  Why not just order them  and pay the 
small price they cost.  Then you can feel good about the whole thing when your 
plane is finished.

--- On Fri, 5/22/09, tinya...@aol.com <tinya...@aol.com> wrote:


From: tinya...@aol.com <tinya...@aol.com>
Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans Available
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 7:19 AM


GOOD DEAL!  

KR information should be public domain anyway.  The  original KR is 
outdated to the point they are more of a GUIDE than  PLANS.   I believe this 
"loyalty" is misguided and silly.  There  is a Yahoo group that has a bunch of 
free downloadable plans from years past and  this might be a good place for the 
KR plans.  This site can be found  here:

_http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/cfair/?yguid=62311250_ 
(http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/cfair/?yguid=62311250) 

Bottom line:  I don't think if the plans are given away  free that more KRs 
will be built.  The plans cost is so tiny compared to  the overall cost of 
the project

Also, I already have KR1 plans bought from Jeanette nearly 10  years ago.  

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO




In a message dated 5/22/2009 1:29:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
wallyban...@gmail.com writes:

Hey  Guys,
I have put a digital set of KR-1 plans up on the internet.  They  are
available via bit torrent and the torrents can be downloaded  from
www.isohunt.com, www.thepiratebay.org and www.demonoid.com.   Demonoid
requires an account which you have to get through invitation but  isohunt 
and
thepiratebay are free.

I'm also thinking that I'll post  it on a file sharing website like 
mediafire
so those without bittorrent can  get it.  The download is 208mb and includes
all of the manuals and  prints required for the KR-1.  There are actually 2
different sets of  plans that I scanned.  The scan quality on some of the
plans is  lacking so there is a B and Colour set.  I'm planning  on
digitally retouching all of the older prints both for clarity and also  so
they can be compressed more, for ease of downloading.

I'm putting  the plans on the net because I'm irritated at how long it took
the get the  plans from Rand Robinson, there was no chance of telephone
correspondance  and I was irritated by the serious lack of quality in the
plans.   There appreared to be missing pages in the construction manual and
the  drawings were very helter skelter.  The construction manual  even
references drawings that apparently don't exist.

If anyone has  a set of KR-2 or KR-2S plans they would be willing to loan me
I would love  to get a set of those up on the internet.  Please bear in mind
that  I'm trying to do this as a favour to the community.  It costs me  
about
$50 to get the large plans scanned and then there is considerible  work on 
my
part to scan and assemble all of the other material.

Hope  you enjoy em!

Cheers,
Mike

Here are some direct links to the  torrents.

http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/96286689/Rand+Robinson?tab=summary
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4907244/Home.Built.Ultralight.Airplane.Rand.
Robinson.KR-1.Plans.V1.0.rar
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1929765/19806490/
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KR> KR-1 Plans Available

[Fred Johnson]

Well I was just dittoing what Mr Hasbrook had said actually. But I still
think he needs to be removed from the list.

I don't know if this is the same guy, but about a year ago a guy named Mike
was looking for plans to borrow and wanted Cad drawings on the airfoils. At
the time my program wasn't working and I couldn't send him any of the files.
I'm glad now. but if anyone else is interested I have Compufoil2000 that I
can plot ANY airfoil in and add the spars and what not in AutoCAD with and
send. 



Fred Johnson
Floor Systems Manager
T.E. West, LLC./ Reno Truss


-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Glenn Martin
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:24 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans Available

Fred Johnson wrote:
>  Jeanette Rand has served the Aviation 
> Community for too many years to have some MORON like you come along and 
> totally kill the dream of keeping her husbands design alive. She has 
> served us as builders for 35-40 years after the death of Ken, and did 
> not have to.
>
>   
I concur. I actually received a phone call from Jeanette just prior to 
purchasing my plans and I also called and talked to her just prior to 
receiving them. She was preparing to go on a vacation and made a 
PERSONAL POINT of getting my plans to me before she left. I found her to 
be a pleasure to deal with and my KR2S plans highly satisfactory. 
Patience will get you much these days. Please remove this fellow from 
this group. I prefer to keep the group members within the bounds of good 
ethics.

-- 
Glenn Martin
Owner
KR2 N1333A
Biloxi, MS, 39532



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KR> KR-1 Plans Available

[Glenn Martin]

Fred Johnson wrote:
>  Jeanette Rand has served the Aviation 
> Community for too many years to have some MORON like you come along and 
> totally kill the dream of keeping her husbands design alive. She has 
> served us as builders for 35-40 years after the death of Ken, and did 
> not have to.
>
>   
I concur. I actually received a phone call from Jeanette just prior to 
purchasing my plans and I also called and talked to her just prior to 
receiving them. She was preparing to go on a vacation and made a 
PERSONAL POINT of getting my plans to me before she left. I found her to 
be a pleasure to deal with and my KR2S plans highly satisfactory. 
Patience will get you much these days. Please remove this fellow from 
this group. I prefer to keep the group members within the bounds of good 
ethics.

-- 
Glenn Martin
Owner
KR2 N1333A
Biloxi, MS, 39532

KR> KR-1 Plans Available

[Fred Johnson]

Dittos! This is complete BS! Sorry, but it is. It is akin to you copying a
book and giving it away on the internet. The publisher and author would be
screwed. I hope the hammer falls on a little SOB like you!



Fred Johnson
Reno, NV

-

Mike, I can only wish 2 things happen to you for this action:

1. The Group Owner/Moderator REMOVES YOU from the Group. Your action 
from what you call Frustration is a TOTALLY ILLEGAL violation of 
International COPYRIGHT LAWS. Jeanette Rand has served the Aviation 
Community for too many years to have some MORON like you come along and 
totally kill the dream of keeping her husbands design alive. She has 
served us as builders for 35-40 years after the death of Ken, and did 
not have to.

2. I that after you are removed from this list, your Registration 
information is forwarded to Rand/Robinson and their Attorney's to go 
after you for the violation of them Copyright Laws no matter what 
country you live in.

As a very happy 2 time customer of Rand/Robinson, I know that there is 
NOTHING WRONG with the quality of the Prints or printed materials. All 
prints are made off from 1 master copy of the original, and I am sure 
Jeanette would not allow the quality to deteriorate.

In Closing, I can only ask  one thing. As a member, and owner of the 
other KR Group on Yahoo, Owner/Moderator please remove this guy as he 
will be from my group if he is a member!!

Dick
Salol, MN

KR> KR-1 Plans Available

[tinya...@aol.com]

GOOD DEAL!  

KR information should be public domain anyway.  The  original KR is 
outdated to the point they are more of a GUIDE than  PLANS.   I believe this 
"loyalty" is misguided and silly.  There  is a Yahoo group that has a bunch of 
free downloadable plans from years past and  this might be a good place for the 
KR plans.  This site can be found  here:

_http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/cfair/?yguid=62311250_ 
(http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/cfair/?yguid=62311250) 

Bottom line:  I don't think if the plans are given away  free that more KRs 
will be built.  The plans cost is so tiny compared to  the overall cost of 
the project

Also, I already have KR1 plans bought from Jeanette nearly 10  years ago.  

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO




In a message dated 5/22/2009 1:29:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
wallyban...@gmail.com writes:

Hey  Guys,
I have put a digital set of KR-1 plans up on the internet.  They  are
available via bit torrent and the torrents can be downloaded  from
www.isohunt.com, www.thepiratebay.org and www.demonoid.com.   Demonoid
requires an account which you have to get through invitation but  isohunt 
and
thepiratebay are free.

I'm also thinking that I'll post  it on a file sharing website like 
mediafire
so those without bittorrent can  get it.  The download is 208mb and includes
all of the manuals and  prints required for the KR-1.  There are actually 2
different sets of  plans that I scanned.  The scan quality on some of the
plans is  lacking so there is a B and Colour set.  I'm planning  on
digitally retouching all of the older prints both for clarity and also  so
they can be compressed more, for ease of downloading.

I'm putting  the plans on the net because I'm irritated at how long it took
the get the  plans from Rand Robinson, there was no chance of telephone
correspondance  and I was irritated by the serious lack of quality in the
plans.   There appreared to be missing pages in the construction manual and
the  drawings were very helter skelter.  The construction manual  even
references drawings that apparently don't exist.

If anyone has  a set of KR-2 or KR-2S plans they would be willing to loan me
I would love  to get a set of those up on the internet.  Please bear in mind
that  I'm trying to do this as a favour to the community.  It costs me  
about
$50 to get the large plans scanned and then there is considerible  work on 
my
part to scan and assemble all of the other material.

Hope  you enjoy em!

Cheers,
Mike

Here are some direct links to the  torrents.

http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/96286689/Rand+Robinson?tab=summary
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4907244/Home.Built.Ultralight.Airplane.Rand.
Robinson.KR-1.Plans.V1.0.rar
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1929765/19806490/
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KR> KR-1 Plans Available

[Richard Hasbrook]

Yes, She could be a little quicker, but then she is fast compared to 
some. If she were to go with CC company, then she would have to increase 
the price. I am sure she is like some of the older folks on cell phones 
and computers... she dont want the change, and dont want to learn 
something new.

I purchased my first set of plans back in 1982. There was a 3 week wait. 
I never did build off from them and they became unreadable from sitting 
out in the light. In 2007, I ordered my 2nd set, and included the S 
revision. Believe it or not, she remembered me after all them years, and 
gave the plans to me at a update price, plus the S addition. It took me 
1 month to get them. Between this group, and my KR2 Sport group, there 
is enough information out there for any configuration that you may want 
to build. You just have to have a little Patients to get the plans... 
Take Care...

Dick
Salol, MN

Bill Weir wrote:
> Maybe Jeanette could be a bit quicker and maybe she could arrange to take 
> credit card but so? The system is working better than any other group of 
> which I am acqainted, and this chat room gives all the updates and help 
> anyone could ask. Just build the plane.
>
> Bill Weir
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Gary Lynn Robison" <djgaryl...@verizon.net>
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:14 AM
> Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans Available
>
>
> This is not the right way.
>
>
> What I  received from Rand Robinson arrived in about 30 days
> and was enough to put the aircraft together. I think you expected
> to much and you reaction was way to much in the wrong direction.
> This is "not" a place pin "B" in hole "A34" type project.Far from it.
> It requires gray matter on your part. Nights of head scratching and
> pondering it is only an outline ... but a good one. Please take the
> torrent
> down and reconsider this.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike" <wallyban...@gmail.com>
> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 2:29 AM
> Subject: KR> KR-1 Plans Available
>
>
> Hey Guys,
> I have put a digital set of KR-1 plans up on the internet.  They are
>
>
>
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KR> KR-1 Plans Available

[Bill Weir]

Maybe Jeanette could be a bit quicker and maybe she could arrange to take 
credit card but so? The system is working better than any other group of 
which I am acqainted, and this chat room gives all the updates and help 
anyone could ask. Just build the plane.

Bill Weir
- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Lynn Robison" <djgaryl...@verizon.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans Available


This is not the right way.


What I  received from Rand Robinson arrived in about 30 days
and was enough to put the aircraft together. I think you expected
to much and you reaction was way to much in the wrong direction.
This is "not" a place pin "B" in hole "A34" type project.Far from it.
It requires gray matter on your part. Nights of head scratching and
pondering it is only an outline ... but a good one. Please take the
torrent
down and reconsider this.

Gary



- Original Message - 
From: "Mike" <wallyban...@gmail.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 2:29 AM
Subject: KR> KR-1 Plans Available


Hey Guys,
I have put a digital set of KR-1 plans up on the internet.  They are
available via bit torrent and the torrents can be downloaded from
www.isohunt.com, www.thepiratebay.org and www.demonoid.com.  Demonoid
requires an account which you have to get through invitation but isohunt and
thepiratebay are free.

I'm also thinking that I'll post it on a file sharing website like mediafire
so those without bittorrent can get it.  The download is 208mb and includes
all of the manuals and prints required for the KR-1.  There are actually 2
different sets of plans that I scanned.  The scan quality on some of the
plans is lacking so there is a B and Colour set.  I'm planning on
digitally retouching all of the older prints both for clarity and also so
they can be compressed more, for ease of downloading.

I'm putting the plans on the net because I'm irritated at how long it took
the get the plans from Rand Robinson, there was no chance of telephone
correspondance and I was irritated by the serious lack of quality in the
plans.  There appreared to be missing pages in the construction manual and
the drawings were very helter skelter.  The construction manual even
references drawings that apparently don't exist.

If anyone has a set of KR-2 or KR-2S plans they would be willing to loan me
I would love to get a set of those up on the internet.  Please bear in mind
that I'm trying to do this as a favour to the community.  It costs me about
$50 to get the large plans scanned and then there is considerible work on my
part to scan and assemble all of the other material.

Hope you enjoy em!

Cheers,
Mike

Here are some direct links to the torrents.

http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/96286689/Rand+Robinson?tab=summary
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4907244/Home.Built.Ultralight.Airplane.Rand.Robinson.KR-1.Plans.V1.0.rar
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1929765/19806490/
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KR> KR-1 Plans Available

[Gary Lynn Robison]

This is not the right way.


What I  received from Rand Robinson arrived in about 30 days
and was enough to put the aircraft together. I think you expected
to much and you reaction was way to much in the wrong direction.
This is "not" a place pin "B" in hole "A34" type project.Far from it.
It requires gray matter on your part. Nights of head scratching and
pondering it is only an outline ... but a good one. Please take the 
torrent
down and reconsider this.

Gary



- Original Message - 
From: "Mike" <wallyban...@gmail.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 2:29 AM
Subject: KR> KR-1 Plans Available


Hey Guys,
I have put a digital set of KR-1 plans up on the internet.  They are
available via bit torrent and the torrents can be downloaded from
www.isohunt.com, www.thepiratebay.org and www.demonoid.com.  Demonoid
requires an account which you have to get through invitation but isohunt and
thepiratebay are free.

I'm also thinking that I'll post it on a file sharing website like mediafire
so those without bittorrent can get it.  The download is 208mb and includes
all of the manuals and prints required for the KR-1.  There are actually 2
different sets of plans that I scanned.  The scan quality on some of the
plans is lacking so there is a B and Colour set.  I'm planning on
digitally retouching all of the older prints both for clarity and also so
they can be compressed more, for ease of downloading.

I'm putting the plans on the net because I'm irritated at how long it took
the get the plans from Rand Robinson, there was no chance of telephone
correspondance and I was irritated by the serious lack of quality in the
plans.  There appreared to be missing pages in the construction manual and
the drawings were very helter skelter.  The construction manual even
references drawings that apparently don't exist.

If anyone has a set of KR-2 or KR-2S plans they would be willing to loan me
I would love to get a set of those up on the internet.  Please bear in mind
that I'm trying to do this as a favour to the community.  It costs me about
$50 to get the large plans scanned and then there is considerible work on my
part to scan and assemble all of the other material.

Hope you enjoy em!

Cheers,
Mike

Here are some direct links to the torrents.

http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/96286689/Rand+Robinson?tab=summary
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4907244/Home.Built.Ultralight.Airplane.Rand.Robinson.KR-1.Plans.V1.0.rar
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1929765/19806490/
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KR> KR-1 Plans Available

[Jannie du Preez]

Not good Mike, I think everyone on this group feels very loyal to the 
Rand/Robinson clan, even so this is not our style.

Jannie



Mike wrote:
> Hey Guys,
> I have put a digital set of KR-1 plans up on the internet.

KR> KR-1 Plans Available

[Phillip Matheson]

Mike, I can only wish 2 things happen to you for this action:
---
I also have used Rand/Roberson a number of times and have not had any 
problem by just sending the money and wait.

I think you have done the wrong thing also.

Phil Matheson
SAAA Ch. 20  http://www.saaa20.org/
VH-PKR
Australia

EMAIL:   phillipmathe...@bigpond.com
KR Web Page: www.philskr2.50megs.com


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KR> KR-1 Plans Available

[Richard Hasbrook]

Mike, I can only wish 2 things happen to you for this action:

1. The Group Owner/Moderator REMOVES YOU from the Group. Your action 
from what you call Frustration is a TOTALLY ILLEGAL violation of 
International COPYRIGHT LAWS. Jeanette Rand has served the Aviation 
Community for too many years to have some MORON like you come along and 
totally kill the dream of keeping her husbands design alive. She has 
served us as builders for 35-40 years after the death of Ken, and did 
not have to.

2. I that after you are removed from this list, your Registration 
information is forwarded to Rand/Robinson and their Attorney's to go 
after you for the violation of them Copyright Laws no matter what 
country you live in.

As a very happy 2 time customer of Rand/Robinson, I know that there is 
NOTHING WRONG with the quality of the Prints or printed materials. All 
prints are made off from 1 master copy of the original, and I am sure 
Jeanette would not allow the quality to deteriorate.

In Closing, I can only ask  one thing. As a member, and owner of the 
other KR Group on Yahoo, Owner/Moderator please remove this guy as he 
will be from my group if he is a member!!

Dick
Salol, MN
Mike wrote:
> Hey Guys,
> I have put a digital set of KR-1 plans up on the internet.  They are
> available .
>
>
>
> If anyone has a set of KR-2 or KR-2S plans they would be willing to loan me
> ..
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
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>
>
>   

KR> KR-1 Plans Available

[Mike]

Hey Guys,
I have put a digital set of KR-1 plans up on the internet.  They are
available via bit torrent and the torrents can be downloaded from
www.isohunt.com, www.thepiratebay.org and www.demonoid.com.  Demonoid
requires an account which you have to get through invitation but isohunt and
thepiratebay are free.

I'm also thinking that I'll post it on a file sharing website like mediafire
so those without bittorrent can get it.  The download is 208mb and includes
all of the manuals and prints required for the KR-1.  There are actually 2
different sets of plans that I scanned.  The scan quality on some of the
plans is lacking so there is a B and Colour set.  I'm planning on
digitally retouching all of the older prints both for clarity and also so
they can be compressed more, for ease of downloading.

I'm putting the plans on the net because I'm irritated at how long it took
the get the plans from Rand Robinson, there was no chance of telephone
correspondance and I was irritated by the serious lack of quality in the
plans.  There appreared to be missing pages in the construction manual and
the drawings were very helter skelter.  The construction manual even
references drawings that apparently don't exist.

If anyone has a set of KR-2 or KR-2S plans they would be willing to loan me
I would love to get a set of those up on the internet.  Please bear in mind
that I'm trying to do this as a favour to the community.  It costs me about
$50 to get the large plans scanned and then there is considerible work on my
part to scan and assemble all of the other material.

Hope you enjoy em!

Cheers,
Mike

Here are some direct links to the torrents.

http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/96286689/Rand+Robinson?tab=summary
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4907244/Home.Built.Ultralight.Airplane.Rand.Robinson.KR-1.Plans.V1.0.rar
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1929765/19806490/

KR> KR-1 on Trade-A-Plane

[Jeff Scott]

>From Trade-A-Plane:

KR1, 410TT, LARGE BORE, long stroke, 2330 CC, VW engine, tri-gear, $8500. 
KS/(620)672-7426 weekdays, (620)770-0529 cell.
_
Save money on your project by attaining multiple quotes from contractors.  
Click here.
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nHrmQNl4f20ihxVAIwKEap3993MOTV49gKr1TWaI6YiNFXC/?count=1234567890

KR> KR-1

[Mark Jones]

If any of you want to try and catch Richard Shirley, this would be a good start.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KR-1-Experimental-Aircraft-VW-1600cc-Engine_W0QQitemZ110041686735QQihZ001QQcategoryZ63679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
My Web site: http://www.flykr2s.com/
Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com

KR> KR-1 and Revmaster 2100 for sale.

[sixfeetsm...@alaweb.com]

KR> KR-1 and Revmaster 2100 for sale.

[sixfeetsm...@alaweb.com]

This will be the last posting of the KR-1 and Revmaster 2100 I have for sale.


The fuselage is complete with a sliding canopy. The Revmaster 2100 had 50 hrs
and is installed and running with a warnke prop.  All gauges and VFR instruments
installed. Hyd disc brakes.
Wings are built but need some foam and all fiberglass work.
I have a new plans set and builders #.

Im asking $5000.00 but will not refuse any reasonable offer.

If this airplane is not sold whole.  I will part out, i.e. eng and prop or the
fuselage alone.
$3500.00 for the Eng and prop and $1500.00 for the fuselage and all extra parts.


If I do not receive any responses to this ad, the engine, prop, and accessories
will be removed for installation to another aircraft.

Please respond to this e-mail at sixfeetsm...@alaweb.com
or my phone numbers of

334-894-0094
334-477-3964

Thanks,
Andrew Lee

KR> KR-1 tail group--To Airfoil or Not to airfoil ?

[curry]

After wicks called and said "Your lead time will be four weeks."  I decided to 
start on the tail group to pass the time.  My plans show the 5/8 square "tip 
rib" on the horizontal & vert stab...which is the way most Krs are looking when 
I check out the pictures everywhere. Langford redesigned his tail because he 
didn't stretch his fuse and wanted more pitch stability..I HAVE stretched 
my fuse 10" so can I just use the stock setup like most people? Or should I 
also do the tail mod ?

Curry
Houma, Louisiana

KR> KR-1 tail group--To Airfoil or Not to airfoil ?

[Brian Kraut]

That is their standard quoted lead time, but they normally get wood out in a
week or two.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of curry
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:32 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> KR-1 tail group--To Airfoil or Not to airfoil ?


After wicks called and said "Your lead time will be four weeks."  I decided
to start on the tail group to pass the time.  My plans show the 5/8 square
"tip rib" on the horizontal & vert stab...which is the way most Krs are
looking when I check out the pictures everywhere. Langford redesigned his
tail because he didn't stretch his fuse and wanted more pitch
stability..I HAVE stretched my fuse 10" so can I just use the stock
setup like most people? Or should I also do the tail mod ?

Curry
Houma, Louisiana
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KR> KR-1 tail group--To Airfoil or Not to airfoil ?

[Joseph H Horton]

n I check out the pictures 
> everywhere. Langford redesigned his tail because he didn't stretch 
> his fuse and wanted more pitch stability..I HAVE stretched my 
> fuse 10" so can I just use the stock setup like most people? Or 
> should I also do the tail mod ?
> 
> Curry
> Houma, Louisiana
> ___

Curry,
I have a stock tail and a stock KR2S fuselage and no stability
issues.
Joe Horton, Coopersburg, Pa.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

KR> KR-1 tail group--To Airfoil or Not to airfoil ?

[Mark Langford]

curry wrote:

>> Langford redesigned his tail because he didn't stretch his fuse and 
>> wanted more pitch stability..I HAVE stretched my fuse 10" so can 
>> I just use the stock setup like most people? Or should I also do the tail 
>> mod ?<<

I covered this at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kopinion.html , but to 
save you the trouble, I'd still use the airfoils to get a more effective 
tail, but only 6' long, if my fuselage were longer.

Despite all the conversation about pitch sensitive KRs, mine's very stable. 
Even my 10 year old daughter didn't do PIO's (pilot induced oscillations) 
the first time she flew it.  I don't think anybody has that's flown it so 
far (that's about 8 folks that I can remember).   The forward CG is also a 
help, I'm sure.

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net

KR> KR-1 cabin width

[curry]

There is a lot of talk about how narrow this cockpit is but when I look at the 
plans I'm seeing a 38.75 fuse width. Am I missing something?  Anyone know what 
gear Richard Shirly has on his KR1 ?

Thanks,
Curry

KR> KR-1 cabin width

[Jim Payne]

Huh The cockpit width of a KR-1 is about 20 inches

Jim

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of da...@alltel.net
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:06 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 cabin width

Yes, that is the width, but not at the shoulders.  I think Richard has a
Diehl gear, but not sure about that.

Dan

From: "curry" <cur...@msn.com>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 2006/02/03 Fri AM 07:58:59 CST
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Subject: KR> KR-1 cabin width

There is a lot of talk about how narrow this cockpit is but when I look at
the plans I'm seeing a 38.75 fuse width. Am I missing something?  Anyone
know what gear Richard Shirly has on his KR1 ?

Thanks,
Curry
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KR> KR-1 cabin width

[Steve Glover]

Come on guys, you know Richard can't do anything as traditional such as
buying his gear.  Like his valve covers, I believe he made his own. I'll
ask him to make sure and let you know.

By the way, his new motor came to life a couple days ago and sure sounds
sweet.  He may have the KR back to the airport this weekend for test
flights.

Regards,

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca
<kr...@cox.net>



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From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of Matthew Elder
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 6:20 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 cabin width


Maybe I missed part of a conversation or something... 
 I don't have my "plans" in front of me, but from what I recall the
stock KR-1 fuselage is only about 19" wide on the inside, 
 not 38.75".  

 Don't know about his gear.. Steve Glover may know off the top of his
head.

 Matt (shoulders are much wider than 19") Elder

- 
Matthew Elder 
Orangeburg, SC
  http://www.infinigral.com/melder

My Airplane Project: 
http://www.infinigral.com/melder/flying/KR1/


- Original Message 
From: curry <cur...@msn.com>
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 08:58:59
Subject: KR> KR-1 cabin width

There is a lot of talk about how narrow this cockpit is but when I look
at the plans I'm seeing a 38.75 fuse width. Am I missing something?
Anyone know what gear Richard Shirly has on his KR1 ?

Thanks,
Curry
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KR> KR-1 cabin width

[curry]

H gggeeeupon looking at my plans again I have noted I was 
adding the top and bottem length together.KR-1 plans are a bit 
lacking...indeed the width is 19
I never knew what kit plane I wanted until i saw Richards..that thing is double 
sweetwhat kind of engine is he installing ?
Anyone running the new airfoils on a KR1? I would guess they would work just as 
well on a shorter wing..any opinions ??

Curry

KR> KR-1 airfoil

[Mark Langford]

Curry wrote:

> Anyone running the new airfoils on a KR1? I would guess they would work 
> just as well on a shorter wing..any opinions ??

Same thing I always say on this subjectthe AS series is almost a direct 
replacement for the RAF48, so using the new airfoil will only get you less 
drag and higher speed...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net 

KR> KR-1 for sale

[bo...@hatconversions.com]

> I have listed my Kr-1 and revmaster 2100 for sale several times.
> One member had indicated that he was interested pending the sale of a
> automobile.
>
> I have since lost the contact details to verify if you are still
> interested.
>
> Please write if you are interested or call at 334-894-094
>
> Thanks
>
> Andrew Lee
>
>

Mr. Lee,
  I have a lady here who is interested in a KR. You left a number off
the phone number.  Thanks,  Bobby
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KR> KR-1 for sale

[sixfeetsm...@alaweb.com]

I have listed my Kr-1 and revmaster 2100 for sale several times.
One member had indicated that he was interested pending the sale of a 
automobile.

I have since lost the contact details to verify if you are still interested.

Please write if you are interested or call at 334-894-094

Thanks

Andrew Lee

KR> KR 1 For Sale in Indiana

[Kathy Hatton]

Due to the recent passing of my father, we are selling his KR 1 homebuilt 
aircraft. I am including a list of information we received from him prior to 
his death Dec. 26th, 2005. My mother may be able to assist more with the sale 
but I am listing all the info I can.
KR 1 Experimental/Homebuilt started 1974, completed 1989.Builder lost medical 
before it was completed and never got to fly it. It has been flown only one 
time. 
Won 1st runner up in it's class at Mid-American Air Center September 1994
VW 1600 cc engine built entirely from new parts.
87 MM pistons and jugs, slicks magneto fired
Posey (POSA) carburetor
Has 5 gallon fuel tank plus 2- 5gal wing tanks (not hooked up)
Complete set of insruments include:
air speed indicator
sesitive altimeter
turn and bank indicator
vertical velocity indicator
tachometer
oil pressure
oil temp
vaccuum guage
cylinder head temp
air path compass
50 channel Nav/Com (may be 150 channel, he said it both ways and we aren't sure 
which one it is)
Has full bubble canopy
Retractable gear
Wooden prop
Marker lights
Steerable tail wheel
Empty Wt 550
Gross Wt 900
Cruise Speed 100
Includes custom built trailer with wing rack for hauling. Trailer worth over 
$1000.00
Do not want to mislead anyone, this plane has been sitting several years and 
needs general clean up and some painting.
We have bought new tires and tubes to go on it
It is essentially a new plant
Airworthiness date 08/07/1989

$8000.00 Firm including the trailer

For more information and/or pics that can be emailed, please contact 
psa...@verizon.net   Thank you. Kathy Hatton (daughter) khat...@charter.net

KR> KR-1

[James I. Coleman]

My KR-1 plans book (which I got three months ago) has
on the front, lentgh 12' 9'' wing span 17' empty weight
375 lbs. gross weight 750 lbs. engine V.W. 1700. 
Top speed 200 mph cruise 180 mph stall 45 mph.
So take your choice. They must have updated things
a little.
Jim Coleman, col...@icehouse.net
KR-1 Idaho Spud

KR> KR-1

[VIRGIL N SALISBURY]

Of course. 1972 to 2005, Virg

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:32:50 -0700 "James I. Coleman"
 writes:
> My KR-1 plans book (which I got three months ago) has
> on the front, lentgh 12' 9'' wing span 17' empty weight
> 375 lbs. gross weight 750 lbs. engine V.W. 1700. 
> Top speed 200 mph cruise 180 mph stall 45 mph.
> So take your choice. They must have updated things
> a little.
> Jim Coleman, col...@icehouse.net
> KR-1 Idaho Spud
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Miami ,Fl

KR> KR-1 for sale

[sixfeetsm...@alaweb.com]

Still trying to sell my KR-1 project.
Revmaster 2100 installed and running with 50hrs and logs. Warnke prop.  All
engine and flight instruments.  Hyd disc brakes on retract ldg gear and sliding
canopy.
Asking $5000.00  I have $5000.00 invested but will refuse no reasonable offer.


Andrew Lee
334-894-0094
sixfeetsm...@alaweb.com

KR> KR-1 Plans needed

[The Strattons]

Hello out there!

I would like to borrow/buy a set of plans for a KR-1.   No one ever seems to be 
at Rand, and I have left messages requesting info, to no avail.

Thanks,
Adam

KR> KR-1 Plans needed

[Cris.]

Good luck, so did I, before buying second (or third?) hand :-)
C.

2005/9/16, The Strattons :
> 
> Hello out there!
> 
> I would like to borrow/buy a set of plans for a KR-1. No one ever seems to 
> be at Rand, and I have left messages requesting info, to no avail.
> 
> Thanks,
> Adam
> 
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KR> KR-1 Plans needed

[patrusso]

A
 Have you considered a KR2 narrowed down to a single seat. I did that and 
love the extra room.or even the KR2S
Pat
- Original Message - 
From: "The Strattons" <bea...@volcano.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 12:12 AM
Subject: KR> KR-1 Plans needed


> Hello out there!
>
> I would like to borrow/buy a set of plans for a KR-1.   No one ever seems 
> to be at Rand, and I have left messages requesting info, to no avail.
>
> Thanks,
> Adam
>
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KR> KR-1 Plans needed

[larry flesner]

>I would like to borrow/buy a set of plans for a KR-1.   No one ever seems
to be at Rand, and I have left messages requesting info, to no avail.
>Adam
>

Jeanette may have been gone for the past week or so attending the 
Gathering.  She has family in the southern Illinois area and probably
extended her visit beyond the few days of the Gathering.  I'm guessing
she will be home soon, if not already.

Larry Flesner

KR> KR-1 Plans needed

[VIRGIL N SALISBURY]

Did you leave a return phone number so she can call back, Virg
Try the FAX.

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:12:18 -0700 "The Strattons" 
writes:
> Hello out there!
> 
> I would like to borrow/buy a set of plans for a KR-1.   No one ever 
> seems to be at Rand, and I have left messages requesting info, to no 
> avail.
> 
> Thanks,
> Adam
> 
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Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL
www.lubedealer.com/salisbury
Miami ,Fl

KR> KR-1 Plans needed

[Steve Glover]

I have never had a problem getting a hold of Jeanette.  She is in the
office mid mornings for a few hours to do paperwork, I don't remember if
it is every day or not.  I think it is at least Mon, Wed, Fri.  She will
call back but can't always contact the person leaving the message
either. Make sure you leave your phone number and what you want clearly
on the machine.   

Regards,

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca
<kr...@cox.net>



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Behalf Of The Strattons
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:12 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> KR-1 Plans needed


Hello out there!

I would like to borrow/buy a set of plans for a KR-1.   No one ever
seems to be at Rand, and I have left messages requesting info, to no
avail.

Thanks,
Adam

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KR> KR-1 Plans needed

[3343V]

Cris. wrote:
> Good luck, so did I, before buying second (or third?) hand :-)
> C.

I sent a check and got plans about 6 weeks later.
-- 
Steve
33...@swbell.net
N3343V- '75 C150M
N205FT- KR1 #6170
He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in.