[lace] unsubscribing
Hello, Spiders of all kinds, Sorry to double up, but I'm just unsubscribing for 3 months while I go to Europe, and wanted to get everyone in one swoop. I'll think of you all while looking at lace in Europe (hopefully!!), and also lace books, which I will post back as usual, since our suitcases will be full of other things. I'm starting with 4 days in Bedford where I very conviniently have a friend, then off to Hungerford and then Wales instead of London, the friend who lives in Ealing having decided to accept an invitation to go sailing in Sweden (I guess I would too, if I was invited :-). We hope Wales is too far for any terrorist to bother going there, but we'll be careful when arriving and leaving at Heathrow. I feel I'm back in the 70's with the Algerian FLN in Paris and the IRA in London. 5 days in Copenhagen next, and then off to France with my parents. I hope to go to Le Puy some time, but won't be able to make it for the Couvige (their big lace meeting in October) as Dad is taking us on a 10 days trip to Croatia. It's a tour, unfortunately, and they are not going to Idrija. Drat! Take care of yourselves, and have a wonderful lace time while I'm away. Helene, the quite distracted froggy from rainy Melbourne Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: Now with unlimited storage http://au.photos.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] unsubscribing
Hello, Spiders of all kinds, Sorry to double up, but I'm just unsubscribing for 3 months while I go to Europe, and wanted to get everyone in one swoop. I'll think of you all while looking at lace in Europe (hopefully!!), and also lace books, which I will post back as usual, since our suitcases will be full of other things. I'm starting with 4 days in Bedford where I very conviniently have a friend, then off to Hungerford and then Wales instead of London, the friend who lives in Ealing having decided to accept an invitation to go sailing in Sweden (I guess I would too, if I was invited :-). We hope Wales is too far for any terrorist to bother going there, but we'll be careful when arriving and leaving at Heathrow. I feel I'm back in the 70's with the Algerian FLN in Paris and the IRA in London. 5 days in Copenhagen next, and then off to France with my parents. I hope to go to Le Puy some time, but won't be able to make it for the Couvige (their big lace meeting in October) as Dad is taking us on a 10 days trip to Croatia. It's a tour, unfortunately, and they are not going to Idrija. Drat! Take care of yourselves, and have a wonderful lace time while I'm away. Helene, the quite distracted froggy from rainy Melbourne Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: Now with unlimited storage http://au.photos.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] distances
ASlice wrote: I live 50 miles from the west coast of the USA. IOLI conference is 1200 miles from me, and that is considered 'close'. It's less than 3 hours by plane. Our group has a good percentage attending because of the location. We even have three people driving because it's only three days drive. The cost of driving and flying are about the same, so it's purely a choice of travel preference. Next year the IOLI will be 3000 miles from here. There will not be many from here traveling that far. In 2007, the IOLI will be less than 2000 miles and more will go to that one, though I doubt any will try to drive there from here Well, at least you've got ood roads you can drive along to get from one town to another!! In Australia, apart from the coastal areas which are the populated ones, most roads are dirt roads, and not really very nice on your car if you don't have a 4WD or equivalent! My poor little Corolla certainly couldn't stand going to Perth for our next Lace AGM, even less to Darwin which is up top and surrounded for thousands of miles of ...nature, including one of two deserts!! Lacemakers who come from Brisbane to Perth travel about the distance from London to Moscow, but without the roads and the population. Friends of mine live in Mount Isa at the moment, top of Australia, and to come down to Melbourne by plane, they pay around $4,000, compared to $2,000 to go to Europe and back. They do have a 4WD, and it takes them 4 days to drive down, and I must say that Ian usually drives at 100 miles an hour, except in townships where he follows the rules. Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who now thinks it's cute the way French people feel that driving 10 miles to go to a party is really the limit! Do you Yahoo!? Try Yahoo! Photomail Beta: Send up to 300 photos in one email! http://au.photomail.mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] fried food iand Australian food traditions (long)
Sorry, Sylvie, took me a while to read my mail!! I was a bit tongue in cheek asking the question, of course, you realise? I know that not all Americans eat only fried food, but it struck me at the time how many fried recipes there were in those books!! In Australia, unfortunately, lots of people eat fried food as well. When I arrived here in 1969, although everyone boasted that Australia was country number One for seafood (probably true), there was one one way of eating it if you didn't have it at home: fried, with coating!! Maybe a few very expensive restaurants did it another way, but I wouldn't know, I didn't have enough money to eat there :-) It's a terrible thing to say, but the basis of Australian traditional (white) cooking is English. Not even topnotch Englsih, which may be better, but most of our first settlers came from poor backgrounds, and didn't know much about cooking. The fact that it was very difficult to grow Western food in Australia at the beginning didn't help.What we call The First Fleet, which is the first arrival of Englsih settlers in Australia, all convicts except for the Army, came with some things to plant and some animals to breed. Unfortunately, the Government forgot to send skilled farmers as well, and most convicts came from city backgrounds and didn't have a clue how to grow anything. Which means that they were all nearly starved by the time the Second Fleet arrived, also full of convicts who didn't have a clue, and hardly any food on board because the English thought that by then the agriculture would be well established!!! How stupid can you get? It took quite a few years before they started growing anything worth eating, and of course, the main crop were potatoes (of course as well, a lot of the drop was immediately used to make alcohol :-)Read The potato Factory by Bryce Courtenay for an account of those times. Great book, not so good film) So, anyway, the traditional food became very British, and stayed that way until probably the mid 1970's. Yes, 1970's. There were a few exceptions, since the Chinese had arrived in Australia early on, and one could eat at The Chinese, and after WW2, there were also Greek and Italian restaurants in some places, but they caught on very quickly to the fact that things should be battered and fried, and became champion fishchips shop owners!! Fortunately for Australia, since the 1970's, the push for real multiculturalism, and the arrival of so many different nationalities who didn't feel they had to merge into the background completely, we now have an infinity of cuisines, and, best of all, a new Australian cuisine which blends styles and foods from East and West with exquisite excellency!!! If you live in a big city, at least the State Capitals, you can dine at a different restaurant each day of the week and probably can taste a different country's food for at least six moonths of the year!!! I love it!! However, if you eat at Coles cafeteria, or at the local restaurant in small places, you'll probably still get your fish fried and your steak overdone :-) But the chips are usually yummy! YOurs in good food and lace, Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who is looking forward to 2 months of her mother's cooking. Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:58:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Sylvie Nguyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace-chat] fried food Hello Helene, While there are some Americans who fry a great deal of their food, others do not. Having eaten among friends, I have seen both. American dinners are quite often baked in ovens. As for myself, I only fry eggrolls, which I make a few times per year. Because they are more work to make than other foods and I know that all the oil is not healthy, we just don't eat them more often. Having been raised in a very health conscious manner, I have continued to run my kitchen in the same way. In fact my sons say, Mom is has her leaves again, when they notice all of the salad greens and large variety of herbs. What are some of the most common ways that food is prepared in Australia? Sylvie Cherry Valley, Illinois, USA Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] posture
Malvary wrote: I know our posture isn't always what it should be when we are making lace, but I think we would very soon have a bad back if we had to lace like this. http://membres.lycos.fr/sitelle/lace/litlacer.htm Let alone the fact that your lace wouldn't keep clean for very long with all those vegies around!! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Malvary in Ottawa (the Nation's capital), Canada Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] museums list
Ricki wrote: After learning something about the irreplaceable value of some antique lace, I'm wondering if anyone could tell me a bit about lace museum collections. I'd be interested in knowing which ones top the recommendation list, no matter where they are. I would also be interested in learning something about how the lace collections are/were acquired -- like for instance, are there any lace conservation societies or something similar that work on acquiring lace for museums? If anyone could recommend books along these lines, I would also appreciate thatAnything along these lines, really! Thanks in advance -- Best regards, The only thing I've ever seen on the subject is the booklet about Lace Museums and Collections put out by the English Lace Guild. I think it's still in print, and you can buy it from their website. But it only have addresses, no details about how the collections started. Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, where the weather is sunny again and again. Where is that winter rain we are supposed to be having??? Ricki T Utah U.S.A. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] cluny towels
Susan wrote: cluny towels i thought it was strange the towels were not made with the fuzzy terry cloth you normally see, but they are beautiful. you probably wouldn't put lace on fuzzy terry cloth anyways. http://www212.pair.com/sojkawj/towel1.html Susan, it's only recently that fuzzy terry cloth has been used for towels. Old hand towels were made with sheets that had to be cut down when worn, and my grandmother still did it when I was a child. I've still got some of her handtowels and dish towels, but, alas, no lace! Only her embroidered initals, which are nice enough. In Italy, Spain and France, guest handtowels are still made in linen, on the assumption that it is prettier than terry towelling, and it won't be used a lot before getting washed. I bought some in Venice, with lace on, but I don't use them :-) Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] La dentelliere de Caudry
Carolyn wrote: Curiouser and curiouser -- on the lace fairy web site there is another painting with I swear the exact same lacemaker -- labelled La dentelliere d'Caudry by Jean Skupien. Maybe this lady went around modelling, or maybe all the local artists got together and painted her at work? Or is this the exact same painting with a lot more light in it? I can vouch for that painter because I think I was the one who sent the postcard to Lace Fairy to scan. I went to the Caudry Museum a few years ago and actually saw the painting hanging on the wall, and took a photo as well as bought a postcard. If you go that way (near Valenciennes, Northern France), please visit the Caudry Museum which is very interesting. They still have lace factories there, they make Dentelle de Calais for the Haute Couture, and they've turned an old factory into a Museum, with samples of what they did and do, an old hand operated lace amchine, and a newer one, plus videos of the local industry. They sell machine lace articles (I bought a very nice hanky)made in the town. The lace of the hanky I bought was made by the dissolving method, where they embroider on a dissolving background, then get rid of the background. Not handmade, but a nice souvenir for my collection. The little town of Caudry itself is very old and quite picturesque too. We actually went to Valenciennes, as I was expecting to see their lace Museum there, but they don't have one!!! Some of the Councillors are pushing for one, but I don't know if any progress has been made. If you go to Valenciennes, I can recommend a lunch at one of the main square's cafe-restaurants: have the local beer and a dish of mussels and chips. M. DH wants to go back there just for that!!! (and he usually doesn't like beer, extraordinary for an Aussie bloke!) Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Do you Yahoo!? Messenger 7.0 beta: Free worldwide PC to PC calls http://au.beta.messenger.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] garters
Try getting the new Australian booklet brought out by one of the New South Wales groups. It's called Orange Blossom lace and it only costs 17.50 Australian dollars. It's got lots of patterns for wedding things with an orange blossom design. It's floral torchon, but I'm sure you could adapt to Bucks if you wished. I think it's gortgeous as it is. All the pattterns are designed by one of our best Australian lacemakers, Pat Milne, and you've got garters, bells, hanky edging (with the hanky/bonnet verses), bookmarks, name tags for the wedding table, etc... I heard that someone was getting a supply to sell at the Denver Convention, so there's your chance. Contact van Sciver, it could be them. I got my own copy, and I'm dying to start something, but it will have to wait until we come back from Europe, I'm too busy cleaning the house and packing now!! :-) Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] names and place on arachne
Dee, you are not supposed to put your name anywhere when you write to your secret pal!! Only sign Your secret Pal, not Helene, or Dee, or anything that can be recognized!! Also, use someone else's name and address on the parcels. I use my husband's name, or a friend of mine, whose permission I asked for first, of course!! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, Australia. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [lace] Posting to Arachne I think it is a good idea to put our names and where we come from - EXCEPT won't that give us away to our Secret Pals? Dee Palin Forest of Dean Gloucestershire Do you Yahoo!? Try Yahoo! Photomail Beta: Send up to 300 photos in one email! http://au.photomail.mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] green tomatoes
Susan wrote: just out of curiosity, has anyone in the uk or anyone overseas ever cooked or ate fried green tomatoes? it seems to be more of an american southern type of food, so probably not even some of the northern americans have tried it. all you do is slice a green tomatoe, roll it in corn meal and then fry them until they are dark brown. salt them after you pull them out of the hot oil and they are really good I've never tried fried green tomatoes, but I always remember my best friend's grandmother's green tomato jam. I used to absolutely adore it, and they gave it to me for afternoon tea every time I went there!! I've made some myself, and it was still pretty good, so I would recommend it! Just make it like any other jam, with 3/4 weight sugar, and a dash of lemon zest and juice in it as well. Just out of curiosity, and because I've been reading a lot of American mysteries: Do American eat everything fried??? No wonder so many people have a weight problem! Fried food always seems to be what the characters in those books eat at the restaurant or at home, and the mysteries that give recipes in them have half fried recipes, even from places which you would think were too hot for that kind of food, like Florida or New Orleans!! The English have a lot to answer for!!! It was similar in Australia in 1969 when I arrived, although it was supposed to have the best fish and shellfish in the world, the only way you could get it at the restaurant was fried in thick batter with crumbs around. Yucks!!! Fortunately, we've come a long way since. I hope lacemakers are a bit more health conscious!!! :-) Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: Now with unlimited storage http://au.photos.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] dangers of giving address
Susan wrote: i would especially be scared after the bombings both in the u.s.a. and london to put a name anywhere. the way things are going we are going to all be walking around with gas masks in our pocket books next to pills that clean dirty water, foldable axes to cut out debree of fallen building matter, and a cyanide pill to kill ourselves with if we are taken captive . Dear Susan, please relax, I don't think anyone in the lacemaking world has got time to go and plant bombs around, we are too busy making lace :-). YOu don't have to give your full name on the net anyway. I often wonder why people put their full name as their email address, unless they are trading, and want people to know who they are. I don't think you've ever seen my full name, have you? I noticed your email address is not revealing everything about you either, so even if you live in a small town (and you can say instead you live near a well known big town, whichever it would be) there must be quite a few susn there, no? I would say the chance of anyone being killed in a road accident is a lot more likely that being killed in a terrorist attack!! Many more people die every day from being hit by a drunk driver than are killed in one go by a bomb going off or a plane crashing because it hasn't been maintained properly. The thing is it sounds much more horrifying, and people panic more because it's not a common thing. Although after about 10 years of terrorism by the Algerians in France, I can't remember the Parisians of panicking much, even though bombs went up nearly evey week somewhere in the town. They were pretty blase about it after a while, and just acted normally. To me, all these are the same: a terrible waste of good lives of people who never harmed anyone. It doesn't matter if it is a terrorist, a drunk driver, or a sex killer, they are all just as bad. Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Do you Yahoo!? Try Yahoo! Photomail Beta: Send up to 300 photos in one email! http://au.photomail.mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] flanders or not flanders?
Yes, well, the difference in opinions just shows you that for people to say it's not is hogwash!! OK, I wouldn't suggest doing your own thing if you are making patterns for an exam, I suppose in that case you'd better stick to traditional ways, but why not experiment? How did that well-known lacemaker thinks that Flanders as it was in the 18th century got to there? By magic? One puff of smoke and it was invented shod and dressed? I'm sure Flanders as we know it has evolved over the centuries, as have Valenciennes, Honiton, etc, etc..., as we can see through pictures of lace from different periods. Why should progress have stopped at 1789, or 1858, or whatever? As several people have pointed out before, lacemkaers were clever people who always latched onto a better way of doing things, if they learnt about it. If you want to pacify the traditionalists, call it modern Flanders, but it you feel it is basically Flanders, by all means, call it Flanders instead of inventing a name... If they could make Valenciennes in Spain, and Point de Paris in England, why should we bother? Keep inventing, dear Tamara, and don't trash if it lokks good! Modern lacemaking depends on people like you and our other wonderful creative designers to avoid sinking into stagnation and dying at last! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Tamara wrote: As to how could it be wrong? bit... Once upon a time, a designed an edging, in what I fondly thought of as Flanders (Butterflies and Lilies, on my website), even if it had some modern tricks in it. It had been viewed by two Flanders/Binche teachers of renown and status. One said it was great, though the picots had been drawn wrong on the diagram. The other said it was pretty, but I'd have to invent a different name for it, because it just wasn't real Flanders - those modern innovations didn't fit within the parameters laid down by Flanders lace... Half of me may be a dumb Polack, but the other half is a clever Jew, so I only need to get burned once, to withdraw into my shell in dismay (it's the dumb Polack part which insists on popping back up g). Now, if I think of publishing a pattern, I check and re-check, and re-check again. And, maybe, trash it altogether... :) Though I feel vindicated as to that particular pattern; by whatever name, it's popular :) I just recently had a request for it from someone (in Germany) who says she had pushed herself to learn Flanders because of it as a goal. Now she's reached the stage where she feels able to tackle it, and it's like a Christmas in July for me... :) Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] right or wrong tie up?
Tamara wrote: That's what I've been doing; starting on whichever side was going to hide the knots the best. But then I had a moment of panic - what if that's all wrong??? I wouldn't mind being wrong in my own work but, if I decide to publish a pattern which uses the tie-off, I wouldn't want to lead anyone astray :) If it works, how could it be wrong We modern lacemakers really do get very fussy about things old lacemakers wouldn't even have considered worthy of discussion!! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, where the temp. varies from nearly freezing to balmy while we watch on TV huge floods and fires in other parts of the world! When will our leaders be finally convinced that the weather is indeed changing, and it might be our fault! Do you Yahoo!? Try Yahoo! Photomail Beta: Send up to 300 photos in one email! http://au.photomail.mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] food translation
Dear Pene, finger dainties would be food on trays that you can pick up with your fingers. like the things you get at a cocktail party: tiny canapes, small quiches, small sausage rolls...anything that's small enough to be eaten in one or two bites. bloater is a kind of fish that is made into spreading paste, and soldiers are probably cut up pieces of toast or bread, like the ones we dipped into egg as children. I imagine a sunray would refer to the presentation of the soldiers on the plate, in circles stating from the centre of the dish, going towards the outside like rays of sun as drawn by a child. Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Pene wrote: She asked me if I knew what a finger dainty was. We presumed it was some sort of food, either a small dainty cookie (long rather than round) or a sandwich. What is it? Then there was a sentence that ended with: she picked up a sunray of bloater paste soldiers. I know that soldiers are slices of bread or toast cut into fingers, but what is bloater paste and a sunray? Can anyone please explain? Thanks for your help, Pene Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] bobbins for beginner
Dear Ronna, Without wanting to dampen your enthusiam, I would say that your main problem is that you want to do too many things at once as a beginner! Goodness me, I'd never heard of a beginner wanting to try 6 different types of lace when they had only just started learaning !! No wonder it's costing you a fortune! All the laces you mention except torchon are fairly demanding, and if you don't have the basic techniques at your fingertips, you will drown in conflicting instructions, as some things are not made in exactly the same way in different laces. However, if you really want to try all those things at once, just buy some fairly straight bobbins, made of heavy woods, not pine, with a pointy rather than rounded end, so you can use them for different kinds of lace. Honiton, Withof and Milanese don't require many bobbins, in Honiton and Withof, you keep starting and cutting,(which in itself is difficult for a beginner), and Milanese is a tape lace, so you only use 10-15 pairs, usually, particularly for beginner's pieces. The main thing is that spangled bobbins are awkward to use in those laces, because you keep having to do sewings i.e. catching one of the threads with a crochet hook to get it through a bit you've already made so that the lace holds together. As long as your bobbins are slightly pointed at the end, you should be able to use them for any lace. Just because some parts of the world had different types of bobbins from others doesn't mean that we can't make that lace with the bobbins we have!! I did a Rosaline(kind of Withof workshop with spangled bobbins, once, because I didn't have any others, and I didn't want to spend money on some I knew I wouldn't use much after. It worked, it was just awkward to pull the thread through, but with a bit of care, I managed OK. And my teacher didn't blast me off either, she just accepted that I only had those bobbins. My suggestion would be to stick to one type of lace until you can feel you are fairly confident in it, and then do workshops in other types of laces, to see which ones you really like. If you feel Honiton is your thing, go ahead and buy Honiton bobbins and thread, and have lessons, but don't spend all your money buying various things which you may never want to use again after one try!! I did one workshop in Beds (with my torchon bobbins), and decided it was not my cup of tea at all. If I had bought all the supplies plus all the books specially for it, it would have been a complete waste of money. As for books, I suggest you join a local lacemakers's group. Most of them have a library where you can borrow books. A lot cheaper than trying to buy all at once, when you don't even know whether they are good or not. This is my comment about your problems. I hoep you find what you want, and above all, that you keep making lace, which is the most important!! Best of luck, Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Hello all, I have a beginners question about supplies. I have only one style of bobbin right now, I don't know what it is called. It has no spangles, a double head and square base (so it doesn't roll too much). I am going to the convention and have Hointon and Withoff classess. My list of supplies for Hointon has not arrived yet, but my Withoff one has. It asks for Binche or Fine Belgium bobbins 40 of them. I am wondering if I will absolutely have to purchase new bobbins for this or if mine could be used ( I will need the hointon bobbins from what I understand) I am a beginner so the cost of setting up is extraordinary. I would make my own bobbins if I had the time and deminsions. (I turn wood on a lathe, but I am not speedy at it). I want to purchase a large number of books and I am reeling at the sudden cost. I have pins, 2 pillows and a picker and pin puller, I even have a magnifier and sone holders for the bobbins so they don't shift when put away on the pillow. I have about three books so far, but only on Torchon and Milanese. Any tips on cost cutting or prioritizing what I need? My husband is near painic as I start listing what I want. Since I did not know about the conviention till this year I have not set asside for the cost so spreading out the cost and prioritizing is very important for now. Also if I have typos, please forgive - I can't find my glasses. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Denmark
Dear spiders, thank you very much to those who sent me info about where to stay in Copenhagen and around. I haven't done anything about it yet as I had to go into hospital for a nose operation(no, no, not a cosmetic one, just to widen my airways!), and missed one week at work, what bad luck :-( When I went back, everything was in a mess because we're getting an updated version of our computer system!!!I think computer programmers pay less and less attention to the comfort of those who are going to use their programmes! The anount of finger work we have to do with the new system compared with the old one is incredible. And all because they keep putting in things that are useless but have to be keyed in before we can get what we want I can imagine the number of RSI claims in the next generation!!!Half of them will be crippled by age 40. Bad for lace, that!! So, thank you all anyway. I'll process the information as I go along... Yours in lace, Helene, the froggy from Melbourne The pessimist may be right in the long run, but the optimist will have had a better time during the trip (R Stollery) Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Denmark accommodation request
Hello, all fellow spiders, DH and I are going to Europe in August, and we will sart with 10 days in England (no problems, we're going to friends, and I know the country well enough!!), and then, we are flying to Copenhagen to spend a week there or around. I joked that DH wants to have tea with Mary at the Palace, but bad luck, we didn't know her when she lived in Australia :-) We were supposed to get accommodation in a timeshare resort, but so far RCI seems to be quite unable to find us anything (they are getting quite useless for resorts, too interested in making more money getting us to use luxury hotels, which we are not at all interested in), so I would be delighted to get some addresses of not too expensive BBs or small hotels around Copenhagen if any of you know any. We do know that Copenhagen is the most expensive town in the world, so we'd prefer to stay out of it, but not too far so that DH can visit. Are there any lacemaking areas nearby?? That would suit ME fine!! I'm sure some of you will be able to help, as usual, whatever the request! Thanks in advance. Don't expect an immediate answer, please, as I am going into hospital on Friday for a nose job :-), and I will be away from work (and my Internet access) until Tuesday 14th June. The specialist has promised me little pain and no black eyes, but I'm more worried as to whether I will be able to wear my glasses so I can do things like reading or lacemaking during my lovely enforced holiday week! Helene, the-just a little bit wet-froggy from Melbourne, where winter has arrived with cold and icy winds, but only drizzling rain. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Monica Ferris
Just saw on Amazon that the newest title by Monica Ferris is Embroidered truths, to be published in June this year by Berkeley hardcovers (she's coming up in the world!!). Get your orders in now!! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, where it's cold, feels like snow is on its way (I wish!!) but still only a few drops of rain. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Milanese lace for sale on Ebay
Yummy! I wish I had $13,000 to spare :-) Helene the froggy from Melbourne Lynn wrote: Has anyone seen this piece of lace up for sale on ebay at almost $13,000 US. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=2219item=7323077731rd=1ssPageName=WD2V Boy have I got the wrong idea about Milanese, I thought it would be simpler than Bedfordshire or Honiton, I don't think so. Lynn Scott in Wollongong, Australia Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] transportation woes
Dear Janice, I am sorry you had such a bad time in my native town! I hope the breakfast at least was nice and you didn't get that dreadful bread we ate last time we were ther4e!! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, originally from Toulouse, France. Janice wrote: We stayed in Tolouse overnight on Friday as our flight left the airport at 6:30 am which meant we had to be up around 4 am to get the bus. I pursuaded DH a taxi would be a better idea as it was dark and raining, instead of dragging our cases half a mile down the road to the bus station. That worked out well and only cost 26 euro. When we checked in and went through security it took an extra long time as they were frisking every other person and searching every other carry on bag. We waited at the gate until well past our flight time then a BA rep came out and said there was a problem with the security machine and they were having to check every suitcase manually, but the electronic sign said there was a labor dispute! After sitting on the plane for over an hour, during which time they thankfully gave us the breakfast snack that we would have had enroute, the pilot announced we were taking off without all the luggage as the gate was needed for an incoming plane. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] miniature lace shop
Shirley T. wrote: For those interested in miniature lacemaking, you might like to take a look at our Guild home page at http://www.austlaceguild.org/pages/branches/sa/salaceshop.htm I saw that gorgeous miniature lace shop at the Adelaide AGM last year. It looked absolutely divine. What a shame you can't send it around Australia!!! I hope you will make more rooms to display at the next AGMs. Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who unfortunately lacks the kind of eyes necessary to make this fine lace! Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] April 1st jokes (lace chat)
Jean wrote: There's been a recent (over about the last 30-40 years) for the broadcasters and newspapers to each carry one April fool story on 1st April and wait to see if it was spotted. I understand that this year the BBC banned any such broadcast, which is a shame because some were so implausible that people did believe them - probably the most famous being the story about harvesting spaghetti from spaghetti trees in Italy broadcast on one of the BBCs most serious programmes in the days before spaghetti was common in the UK. There was a wonderful talk on the radio in Melbourne this year. It was a repeat of one they had in the States, must have been last year as they get their 1st April after us, so couldn't be this year. It was all about maple trees exploding if they starting being tapped for syrup when they are too old. DH and I were in stitches listening to the recounting of an explosion that was heard 50 miles away, bewaaing of tapping an unknown tree in cas it exploded, people being blown away by explosions...Great one! I still remember one year when I was young, in France, when they had an announcement on the radio (no TV yet, that dates me!) about the Eiffel Tower having been bought by an American millionaire and being dismantled bottom part first Of cours, that gave the game away, but not to everyone, it seems! Our neighbour came in and he was terribly concerned about the government selling the Eiffel Tower Yours in rainy Melbourne, after weeks of beautiful sunshine, Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] AFL or something else?
Please avoid AFL at all costs!! In Australia, it means Australian Football League, and you wouldn't want to be mistaken for *that* lot, would you? Just imagine the kind of people you could get if they surfed the Internet for AFL and came up with your site as an answer Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who is not an AFL fan! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace] American Federation of Lace I have to say that many of the initials being proposed for a new name run the risk of sounding a great deal like the AFL. In the US the AFL is the American Federation of Labor where Jimmy Hoffa would feel very comfortable indeed, if he were not buried under the New Jersey Meadowlands Arena. Consequently I think the American Federation of Lace should be avoided lest we be mistaken for unionized lace workers. I kind of like the Lace Union or even Lace United. I always thought Manchester United was a very strong name implying a singularity of purpose. Maybe the Lace Alliance? Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] paper longevity
Sorry, Robyn, I would say papyrus still has the edge on it if you go by age...:-) Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Autumn is here and the oaks are turning. Gum trees, of course, completely ignore the seasons and shed all the time! Robyn wrote: For information, nothing has beaten the track record of acid-free paper. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] credit cards and banks
Jane wrote: The taxes are *there*, just calculated differently hidden I consider this in the tax category altho perhaps I have been lucky so far. Received notices from credit card company and the banks that they are now charging a 'fee' of 3% of total amount of any foreign currency charge or withdrawal at foreign ATMs. That really adds onto the cost of buying from overseas vendors. Yes, we are starting to see the beginning of the end with the banks stranglehold on the ways we can access our money!! Now that everyone is convinced credit cards are a good way to shop overseas (no cash, no theft...), they are going to start making it more expensive for us to use those credit cards!! I wonder how many people owe banks more than several years of full pay in credit cards without really having noticedOne day, there is going to be a nasty reckoning, and I wouldn't like to be a bank manager when the wrath of the hoi-polloi falls on the moneylenders!!! Hopefully, they will all be beheaded, as they were in the Middle Ages whenever a King decided he needed a bit of free cash without raising taxes and making his subjects unhappy...:-) I wouldn't mind being around when it happens to a few bank managers I know :-) Well, forget all those troubles, and have a lovely Easter, all of you. 4 days off work when I hope I will be able to make a bit of lace, for a change! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, where the weather has turned cloudy, but still no rain. The oak trees have started to change, what a beautiful sight. There are a few streets lined with them on my way to work each day, I love it! Nearly as nice as when the yellow wattles and the blue jacarandas bloom. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] LACME site (lace)
Devon, thank you so much for posting that letter. I had a look and there is quite a bit of lace, on its own and on costume. Lovely! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, where the weather is so nice I've been spending an hour lacing on the back terrace after work everyday!. Pity the mozzies chase me inside as soon as the sun goes down! Devon - Thank you so much for your recent inquiry into the department of Costume and Textiles' collection of lace. We currently possess close to 800 pieces of lace, ranging in date from the mid-16th century through the early 20th century. A number of these are currently available to view online through our searchable Collections Online site, which can be accessed through our homepage - www.lacma.org http://www.lacma.org/ . I encourage you and your readers to visit the site, and please be sure to take a tour of our current exhibition, Images of Fashion from the Court of Louis XIV online - which features several examples of lace from the period. This exhibition is also exceptionally apropos to your inquiry as it features work housed in our Doris Stein Research Center. I hope that this information is helpful to you and your readership. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] spider jewellery
Beth wrote: Gentle Spiders, I'm looking for a room-mate for the IOLI convention in Denver this summer. Only rule is non-smoker. Please contact me off list. Oh, I found a cute spider pin at a jewelery shop in the French Quarter that I'm going to be wearing at the convention. Beth McCasland Metairie, Louisiana I just found myself a lovely spider in the middle of her web silver pendant yesterday, during a little trip to the wine part of the Yarra Valley near Melbourne with DH. At $28 Australian, I couldn't resist!! It's big enough to show on my tops. The jewellery shop where I found it, in a township called Healesville, is a big place, and all the jewellery there is made on the premises (so they say...It seems to me there is a bit much for that, and I seem to have seen a few similar pieces in other places). they told us they take people's old unwanted gold and silver jewellery to make them new pieces, and of course, the new pieces cost less. This is something we do a lot in France, but it's the first time I hear about it being done in Australia. I might have a look at my jewellery box... Helene, the very quiet froggy from melbourne, where the weather is ideal at present, hot and sunny with cold nights. Autumn is here, and the vines were starting to turn red in the vineyards... Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] lace stamp
Jane wrote: Yippee! It's arrived! Thanks ever so much Tamara. I have wanted this stamp ever since I have known of its existence. The decision now is whether to put it in my stamp album or with all my lace memorabilia. I'll decide once I have shown it to everyone. :-) I keep all my lace stamps separately from the rest of my collection, and with my lace patterns folders. Why lose them amongst all the other non-lace ones? I display them on Hagner sheets, double sided, and I slide the Hagner sheet into one of those transparent plastic sleeves with multiple holes on the side. Those sheets are then clipped into my folder. If I demonstrate somewhere, or want to show my lace stamps to anyone, I know I can get them out and on show while keeping them protected.If I'm really conceerned with their safety, I can even seal the top of the transparent sleeve with sticky tape. I can always cut it off and transfer the Hagner sheets to another sleeve later on. Yours in lace, Helene, the froggy from Melbourne who is too busy to write much at present (but stamps are worth a note :-)) Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] pillow
I have put up on my website the improvised version of a block pillow - it will do until I get an 'official' one. Take a look and let me know what you think of it. http://www.brandis.com.au/craft/block.html That looks great, Jenny!! Just watch out when you pin in the holes between the squares! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] embroidered stamp
I was just reading old emails and found this one of tamara, and that reminded me of something else. Do all the stamp collectors know that Italy has just put out an embroidered stamp on fabric similar to the Swiss one (but with a different embroidery on it :-), of course? Our stamp dealer in the city keeps stamps for DH and I and I just got mine about 2 weeks ago, so it must have come out not long before that. It's quite pretty. I wish they would do a series on lace too, I only have an old one from Italy with a bolster pillow. Helene, the harassed froggy from Melbourne who needs 48 hours in the day for the next 6 months!! I wish I had 32 of the embroidered stamps to give away; every time I do a raffle, I swear it's the last time, because there are always more people disappointed, than there are happy ones... Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] quilts and knitting (lace-chat)
...Interesting use of the word 'quilt' with 'knitting' however.. I wonder if the English word quilt comes from teh French couette (pr. like kwet), which means a type of eiderdown, but flatter and often not filled with feathers. That might explain it's use with the word knitting, since couette covers could be made form material or wool. Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: quilts and knitting (lace-chat)
Looks like a definite link between those, doesn't it? Helene --- Bev Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Helene Gannac wrote: ...Interesting use of the word 'quilt' with 'knitting' however.. I wonder if the English word quilt comes from teh French couette (pr. like Or they both come from the Middle English/Old French word 'cuilte' I think the quilt of a 'knitted quilt' refers to a bedcovering, but not necessarily a quilt, which is most usually two layers of fabric holding a filling of carded wool, cotton, or feathers. Thank you for mentioning 'couette' ;) For those taking notes, the origin of 'knitting' is the Old English 'cnyttan' to knot (itself OE cnotta) -- bye for (k)now Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins www.woodhavenbobbins.com Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] class system perpetuated
Sharon said Another example which is spread worldwide and more sinister. How many British movies have you been to where the bad guys always have a lower class accent? I think what I notice most when seeing films is how often the bad guy has a British accent - Bond films, at least one of the Die Hard films etc. Now these are mostly American films, there are not that many British films about, and the British accent in those films tends to be upper class English. Go figure It's not only films that propagate the class system idea! If you read science fiction, you will notice that most future societies are class ridden, even if they don't have a king or queen as a head of state. I'm thining particularly of David Weber's series about the Kingdom of Manticore and the People's republic of I can't remember the name...HE absolutely sweats class envy throughout the books. I do like them, but I can't help noticing how prejudiced he is. Same thing for Anne McCaffrey, whom I absolutely adore, but who also keeps the old class system going in all her books, if you read closely... Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] kings versus republic. Which ones are really oppressed (lae-chat)
Personally, I think their time has come to quit altogether. There will always be an oppressive class sytem in Britain while the royals still exist Who says you need to have a monarch at the head to have an oppressive class system??? The French pride themselves on their republicanism, and yet there are more magazines in France devoted to the comings and goings and doings of the noble class that there are in England!!! And look at the US people who are always falling over themselves and pay mega-dollars to be part of the entourage of any royal from any other country who happens to visit the US? I think hereditary nobility will draw other people for a very long time to come, because it fulfills a deep need in every man (and woman too, I guess, but maybe less) which has been around since prehistoric times: the need for things to belong, and the need for order to exist (prefereably with oneself at the top!) . Of course, the ones we call nobles are just the ones who were better able than others to bash up everybody else, and to keep them bashed, but if you destroy one class of nobility, as they did during the French Revolution, you just get another one raising its head (the Napoleonic nobility, and if you get rid of your King or Emperor, you just get another kind of nobility again, like in the States. Why do you think people call themselves John Smith I and John Smith II, and John Smith Junior...if not to give the illusion of hereditary class! No, don't believe it. If you get rid of the Royal family in Britain, you'll just have someone else take over, and it will be oppression by money rather than oppression (are the British really oppressed compared to other nations? I'm not sure!) by old rights. And I am ready to bet a lot of money that if there was the slightest chance that an American president could make himself into a king, he would do so at once! So would any French president!! Yours, cynical as always, Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who moved to Australia so she could have a lifelong head of goverment who can partly support herself, instead of a series of cretins who cost the country heaps of money every time they're elected!! Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Cluny lace (lace)
Dera Martina, Cluny lace is also called LePuy lace, as it is the main lace they make there. It's similar to torchon and Beds, with lots of tallies and plaits. A good series of books to get hold of is the series written or edited by Mick Fouriscot, on various subjects, including Cluny, and published by Didier, in France. The magazine La Dentelle is also full of Cluny lace, as it is published by the Centre d'Enseignement de la dentelle in Le Puy. Helen, the froggy from Melbourne, who hasn't got her lace books here to give you the exact titles. Dear Arachneans, I would like to learn some basics of Cluny lace. Can you recommend a book which I could use. I am planning to enroll for a course which requires basic skills of Torchon, Baenderspitze (sorry can't think of the English word), and Cluny. Greetings from Germany with snow Martina Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Tistou pillow import into Australia
Malvary wrote: The other question I would raise - are you allowed to import them into Australia, they are filled with sawdust and wood shavings. Probably ok, but better to make sure before you buy one. Definitely not without having to pay for fumigation, which will add to the cost! You could get a really hefty fine importing something with sawdust or any other organic matter in it!! Enough to buy several very nice pillow from one of our suppliers at the lace meetings on saturdays:-) Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who doesn't own a Tistou pillow, but would dearly love to import a traditional one (but newly made) from Le Puy Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Dating after sixty (lace-chat)
Dating After Sixty I love that one, Tamara! Must try to remember it in a few years time...if I can :-) Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who's sick of the heat. Why can't we exchange with some of that lovely snow you're having in Europe and the US, I don't know!! Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] promoting lace on your clothes
Devon, I'm just catching up with my digests and read you account of the Living Billboard Campaign for Modern Lace. Thank you! I loved it!! And of course, went to see the photos... However, how on earth can you expect to compete favourably with 8 big black breasts? :-) lace cannot possibly win, there Just imagine the reaction of all the guys Hey, I think you should buy a modern piece of lace for your girlfriend Mmmm, have you got any with 8 breasts on it? or even 6? or even maybe 4? No? Oh well, I'll get her a piece of sculpture instead, they seem to know what motivate guys these days... Yours in lace, Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who promises to wear her (homemade!) wire lace bracelet next time she goes out somewhere. And maybe also Lenka's pendant (bought from her, not made by me) Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] the French (tongue in cheek)(lace-chat)
Tamara wrote: ...Since I was engrossed in Colette's Claudine series borrowed from the same source, I was not about to tell her; suspecting that both I and my little lender-friend might get nailed, I prevaricated. But I never forgot the reaction. Or the phrase. Or the association of French = naughty... :) S, I always say that foreigners always attribute to the French what the *Parisians* do!!! You talk to someone and they say I've been to France and they really mean I've visited Paris, or they say French people are rude, and they've only ever been to Paristhis is just one other example, isn't it? Now tell me, how many books about naughty French has anyone read that didn't come from or was set in Paris? none, I bet :-) Helene, the virtuous French froggy who doesn't come from Paris :-) with apologies to Dominique, who I'm sure doesn't come from Paris either, do you, Dominique?... Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] conversion charts fro threads
Thanks, Jo, a great thing to keep in favourites!! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Jo wrote: I just found site with many links to many color and conversion charts! http://users.rcn.com/kdyer.dnai/conversion.html Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] curling pieces
Hello, Brenda, I didn't know DMC 50 was a Z ply. I've used it for years, and never had any problem until I used it with this particular metallic thread which I have never used before. I'm going to make the smae bookmzrk with a linen thread and the same metallic silver, just to see what happens! I'll keep you posted! Yes those 2 Brioude photos are great. I hope I'll be able to visit in September and those pieces will still be in the Museum. Yours in lace, Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, where we are luxuriating in a wet and coll day after 3 very hot ones! --- Brenda Paternoster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Helene If your DMC 30 is Broder Machine then it's a z-plied thread and I'm pretty certain that that's why it's curled up - only happens with Z-plies and narrow pieces lace. Bev Walker in canada and I are going to test the theory again by working snakes in mirror image half stitch, ie 3 over 2, 1 over 2, 3 over 4. The expected results are that it will be the S-ply which curls. Will keep the group posted. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Lace Christmas Card
Dear Heather, Glad to see it arrived safely! One just wonders these days...that's all I was worried about, not the fact that I hadn't had any message from you! I'm glad you liked the tree. I was a bit worried, because I'd just made a bookmark with DMC cotton and a silver metallic thread before, and it twisted itself as soon as I took it off the pillow! So I was quite worried the same thing would happen with the tree, but then I thought I'll just glue it firmly onto the card!!! Fortunately, I didn't have to, but I did put a bit of glue on to maintain it in place. You should be able to unglue it and use it as an ornament if you like, I think. I enjoyed working it, and I've kept the pattern to make more at the end of the year, in different sizes. I just wish I could remember which Novak book it's out of! Stupid me forgetting to write that down... All the best in your snow covered country while we roast here. Although today is wet and cool again after 3 days over 30C. This town is crazy... Yours in lace, helene, the froggy from Melbourne. --- Heather Bogart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] curling pieces (lace)
Brenda wrote (a few days ago...) I've just added the stuff about BL occasionally curling to my website, with a link to a snakes gallery. Additional pics for the gallery would be welcome. I just finished a Christmas torchon bookmark (for next year, of course!) made with green DMC cotton 30 and a metallic silver thread (bought from a Japanese patchwork stall at a Crafts Fair, no name or size)as a worker for the fan on each side of the bookmark, and, to my surprise, it curled when I took it off the pillow. This is the first time it happens to me!! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, where it's 35 degrees centigrade again after a very cold and cloudy weekI'm glad I'm at work :-) Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Lace Christmas Card
Dear Lorri, Received your gorgeous Christmas card with surprise in perfect nick 2 days ago! Thank you so much for the 2 bobbins, they are great. Did you really turn them? Wow! They will be perfect for my collection! I usually use spangled bobbins, but I've also got quite a collection of continentals, and I use thm rom time to time, when I run out of bobbins...Can you tell me which wood they ae made of, please? The Christmas card was gorgeous too. I'm sorry I have no scanner, but you're welcome to send a photo to webshots (can't remember who's collecting shots of the cards) if you've kept a photo yourself. I love the red sock with the dainty lace around the cuff, and the fact that you put a colour copy ot it underneath on the card itself. Great idea, I must remember next year, and not only for lace!! I hope my own card arrived safely to Canada. I sent it at the beginning of December, and haven't heard. Maybe I missed a posting? Thank you again, Lorri, and don't worry about it being late, I've just started receiving greeting cards from France, they do it in January, not in December, so we keep our Christmas cards on display until mid-February!! By then, we've received most of them...:-) Yours in lace, Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] treating everyone right?
Edith wrote: The thing that strikes me most about this whole 'letter' is the old, old trick politicians have of dehumanising people who oppose them. It's far easier to belittle, mistreat, ignore, torture and kill someone who I believe is a lesser being than me. If we believe that all people are equal (without any necessity of mentioning any special groups or categories), it becomes impossible to do the appalling things that happen all over the world. You may think I'm dreaming of the impossible. Try starting to live this way where you are now, amongst those people you have contact with. Having just spent 3 days at work doing what we call stock maintenance, which consists of looking through all the itmes that were returned by people or found in the library and have somehthing wrong with them, I am inclined to say : If we all started by repecting other people's property, instead of cutting out recipes instead of photocopying them, writing phone numbers on pages just because they happen to be handy at the time, or rude messages because it's funny, or we don't agree with the writer on a point, extinguishing our cigarettes or spilling our drink on the library book; reaping off pages because they have pretty pictures, or the teacher wants us to illustrate an assignment,or we need a piece of paper to write something down; scratching CDs and DVDs and pulling videos out of the machine before they stop; trhrosing library books in the b(dirty) boot of the car and leaving them to soak in grease and water for a few days, and then sneaking them through the night chute so that no-one can reproach us verbally, masturbating in the library and hiding the result inside the pages of a new book (yes! it's happened here!! imagine how we felt when we found it!!!) When we all stop doing those things, then we might be ready to look at more important things, like getting on with other human beings Yours, sad and furious after throwing away many nearly new books, videos, CDs, magazines and DVDs, Helwne, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] husband and wife presents(lace)
Other than that, my hubby and I swore off gift giving this year. As hideously corny as it sounds, we're happy enough with each other that we didn't feel the need for anything more, and not stressing out over gifts was a gift itself (we tend to get what we need/want as it comes up, not wait for once or twice a year, so there's not much to give each other). It's strange to many or our friends, but it worked for us. Chris, we have a similar arrangement with wedding anniversary presents. We don't give any to each other, but we decide to buy jointly something for the house that isn't essential, but would be nice, like a ceiling fan in the bedroom or a new dinner set...Much more useful and appreciated than personal things we probably could do without, although I am lucky to have a husband who always chooses wonderful gifts! Last year, I got 23 different bottles of beer individually wrapped and scattered through the livingroom on Christmas morning! (The guy at the bottle shop said to him: going to have a good time, mate? and was stunned when DH answered that he didn't drink beer and it was all for his wife :-) Another Aussie myth destroyed!! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] community shots
Happy New Year to you and all Arachnes! I haven't been able to look at my mail because of the public holidays (4 days off each time as Friday 31st Dec was my rostered day off, what bliss this year!!) so I'm just catching up and specially admired your work, Sue. Please keep lacing, and posting the results for lazy people like me to admire!! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne who just spent 2 mornings returning mountains of library items, and issuing nearly as many... Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] weather and wishes (lace-chat)
Helen wrote: Heard from Mum and Dad who are at Mallacoota, (far eastern Victoria, on the coast), and they said it was pretty cold there today (28th Oz time), and they weren't going out fishing. Next thing, Noelene'll be reporting that it's snowing :-) Maybe not snowing, Helen, but hail and pouring, cold, rain! DH was watching the cricket (in Melbourne)and roared with frustration as the weatherproof canvas went on again and the game was finally suspended on Monday, we could see the hail on TV! And Tuesday wasn't much better. We've had to put a second blanket back on the bed after having had to sleep in the nude a few days ago because it was too hot to have anything on! We did have a nice picnic with the boys and the grandson on Boxing Day, though, and my potato and egg salad went down a treat. Our Christmas is always very quiet, as we never have DH's children (their mother said once children need to be with their family at Christmas, which was her reason for having them at her place every year!!!I would have liked to strangle her but refrained), and since they're adults, one out of three doesn't speak to at least one of the other two, so we can never invite the 3 of them together, and DH said we'll see them at other times, not at Christmas, since they can't behave as a family...Life can be complicated! I've been having Christmas lunch at a French friend's place since I've been in Melbourne, so I still do that, and DH comes alongThat means I don't have to cook, which suits me. Anyway, Chrsitmas never feels like Christmas here. I was used to midnight mass in the snow, and a skiing holiday, so I never get the right feeling in the heat. We do celebrate New Year, though, and I wish you all a very good and lacy one. Yours in lace, Helene, the froggy from Melbourne. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] jingle bells all the way to the Government cash drawers(lace-chat)
Jean from Poole quoted: In a chilling act more reminiscent of the now defunct Soviet Union or the Nazi regime of Adolph Hitler, the United States Congress passed legislation yesterday that requires the States to surrender their regulatory rights over driver's licenses and birth certificates to The Department of Homeland Security. ..Beginning in 2005, the Department of Homeland Security will issue new uniformity regulations to the States requiring that all Drivers Licenses and Birth Certificates meet minimal Federal Standards with regard to US citizen information, including biometric security provisions My, my, my, one can see it's Chirstmastime!! I can hear all the Government's money drawers jingling happily!!! since, of course, citizens will have to pay for all that...and false papers will be even more expensive, I'm sure, although the goverment won't see much of *that* money... helene, the froggy from Melbourne, looking forward to a staff barbecue at lunchtime tomorrow, and then four full day of leisure...well, sort of! Happy New Year to all of you. Don't forget to buy your Xmas cards and decorations for next year on December 28th, they're cheaper :-) Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lace as an art [lace]
Your volunteering is noted, Devon! I'll use you as a model as soon as I have made something wearable..:-) That's my problem! I don't really dress the proper way for emphasizing beautiful lace, and I don't make lace to wear (except fo a 3D orchid brooch for my mother)! Knitted fabrics are not particularly glamorous, at least not the ones I wear. But you are quite right, we should be wearing our lace, and be ready to sell it too, if we meets some enlightened person who is ready to buy it on the spot at your price! But I bet 99% of our lacemakers would say Oh, it's not for sale, I like it too much to sell it, even at the right price... Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, madly trying to do her work and decorate her workstation, as our boss loves us to waste hours at Christmastime decorating the workroom! What a waste of time and money... Devon wrote: Yes, this is a good point. At the Met there is an employee who makes felted jewelry that she sells for, let us say about $500 for a necklace. She always dresses entirely in black and wears the jewelry. She says she manages to sell all that she makes just off her person. Of course she spends all her time at work among the small proportion of the population who appreciate art and who buy art. (Yesterday at the Christmas Party, she was wearing one of her felted pins which was so fetching that I almost asked her how much it was.) Perhaps we should all make it a point to never leave the house for a fancy occasion, gallery opening, night at the opera, etc. without some hand made lace or lace jewelry on. In fact, we should all attend as many gallery openings as possible. Time spent at craft shows, while illuminating for the public, is not going to result in as large a pay off, unless they are very high end craft shows. I realize that not everyone has the desire or stamina to attend a lot of gallery openings and theatrical events. Perhaps they should consider sponsoring a living billboard to attend in their place, paying the expenses associated. I am offering my services in this regard :-) Devon Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] lace as an art [lace]
Aurelia wrote: Dear Devon -- I think that long before we can find buyers for recently-made (contemporary?) lace, we have got to educate our public about the artistic value of lace; and that thread is just as interesting and beautiful as paint or marble. When the public has got that idea into its head, it will put its hand into its pocket as willingly for a stunning piece of contemporary lace as it does at present for modern paintings and sculpture... I think that may be the crux of the matter, Aurelia: the fact is that ordinary people do *not* buy original paintings or piceces of sculpture any more than they would buy lace at the price we would want to pay. Rich people and cultivated people buy those things, either because they have the money and want to invest, or because they can appreciate the work they are buying. It's those people we have to educate, not the general public, who is quite as happy with a reproduction of David made in Taiwan as they would with the original (probably happier, actually, because it doesn't cost as much...) Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, where it's still raining on and off (on at weekends and off while I'm working :-)) Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] finger-printing
I wonder whether they keep samples of our DNA somewhere, now? It must be easy to gather from hospitals or when you donate blood, they don't need much... Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who is just as cynical as Tamara when it comes to privacy in our modern world. Tamara wrote: 2) I had to apply for a Social Security number, having arrived in US as an adult. But, when my son was born - February of '77 - he was was issued one the day after he was born; it was normal procedure by the. And what's a SS number if not an ID number? For that matter, a license plate tracks you too. 3) But, when I said the government seemed to have all the data on him except spit, when they wanted to check, I forgot the *best part*. 24 hrs after he was born, he was both finger- and foot-printed. Took some effort, in case of the fingers (try to uncurl those little claws g), but it was done, and the data was going to be kept somewhere. Ostensibly so that, in case of a kidnap, he could be identified - either as an adult some years later, or as a corpse left in a ditch somewhere. Nobody asked my (or his g) permission to harvest the data, though I was presented with copies of same for free. I meant to paste them into his baby book, but that was when I meant to make a baby book, and they've disappeared since. From *my* stash. But, from the government's? I doubt it. That organism never disgorges; it only adds (though sometimes, it does mislay stuff). Of course, *my* fingerprints are on file, from the time I applied for the citizenship... Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Site obout France (lace-chat)
Nice site, Dominique! And I quite agree with you about the toilets! My Aussie husband always has a terrible time finding one, too!!! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] identity cards (lace-chat)
Jean Peach wrote: We are told that we will be having identity cards in the near future, now I wonder what happens then. I did phone the HMSO office, it was suggested that when I hand over my documents that I put in writing only for the companies use and in black and white and go with the person to see that they do this, don't let the documents out of your sight. In the near future we have been told that the government would like everyone to have identity cards, now what happens then? Well, Jean, the French and a few others have had ID cards for years and years, and the sky hasn't fallen down, nor are people harassed more than they are in other countries without ID cards, I don't think! I am more concerned about the number of people who want to photocopy personal papers. I think it should be a no-no everywhere, you don't know where all those paper files are going to end up one day!! But if they end up in the wrong hands, what does it matter whether it is your ID card or your passport? It would be actually better if it were your ID card, as the thief who copied it couldn't use it to go overseas I know the idea of an ID card really panics lots of people, but I consider that it is the government of the country, not the item itself which is important. ID cards under the Vichy regime in 1940 were a lot more deadly than ID cards under De Gaulle's presidency, or any we've had since in France!! And I would rather show people my ID card and keep my passport safe at home. A friend of mine here in Melbourne who doesn't drive would be very happy to see an Australian ID card, as she always had trouble giving suitable ID to banks and others until she finally went overseas 2 years ago and had to get herself a passport. So, don't panic too much at the idea of ID cards, but certainly write to yout MP about forbidding companies to copy ANY personal papers without really good reasons (and as far as I am concerned, there is NO good reason for anyone to have a copy of your papers unless you're a applying for citizenship, a driving license or a passport!) Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who is getting avery full tummy from all those birthday parties we're having for family and friends, never mind Xmas!! 8 birthdayws between the end of November and the beginning of February...Argg, and I have to find presents as well Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] secret pal thanks
Dear Alessandra!! So sorry it took me a while to write. I had last week off work, and your parcel arrived on the Wednesday, but I had to wait until I got back to work to use the Internet. Well, I can't pretend it was a surprise finding out who you were, since I saw you in Adelaide in October, but it was lovely receiving your last parcel anyway :-). Thank you so much for all the goodies. I love the macrame Christmas tree which you made yourself. It's so clever, and more interesting than the usual hanging/bag...It's too heavy to put on my Xmas tree (which is a bouquet of honesty branches, so very delicate, and can only be decorated with miniature ornaments), but it will be hung in the livingroom so I can see it! Thank you so much for making it for me. I'm ashamed to say that I didn't made any lace for my S.P... I love the lavender angel (gee!! you're lucky that one got past the Customs! They opened it because the dog smelled something that might be forbidden.Where did you stash the white powder?I couldn't find it...:-))but obviously it was OK because it didn't have seeds in it, just the perfume. I will keep replenishing it, in the wardrobe, to keep the moths away. We do have a lot here, any help is welcome!! the little Father Christmas is cute. It can cling to the neck of my uniform at work during the last 2 weeks before Xmas. It will fo well with my special Xmas earrings... Thank you also for the Rakam magazine. I have seen some before in one of the libraries in Melbourne (not in ours, unfortunately, but the patterns are always missing. I do love the magazine, though, there are such beautiful things in it. Do Italian women really still make things as big as embroidered tablecloths and sheets, covered in lace as well? Wow! I am writing to you by snail mail, but I just wanted to ssay thank you on the list as well. Have a wonderful Christmas, and thank you for being such a nice S.P. Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, trying to catch up with all the mail that arrived during my absence! Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] food, glorious food!(lace-chat)
Tamara wrote: My step-daughter-in-law, who's Chinese, took me (and my DH, and my DS, and her own DH) to a China-town restaurant in Boston (MA, US) for a Sunday dim-sum brunch one time. We all hugely enjoyed it, but I was the only one who liked the desert... :) It must have been the Asian answer to junket - a bland, barely set, whitish something, with a hint of almonds and sweetness its only flavours. I was told, since, that it's made of soy milk and set with agar-agar but, even when I was able to get all the necessary ingredients (in a town too small to carry potato starch, *essential* for all Polish and Jewish cooking, agar-agar and soy milk are like dragonfly wings g), the whole thing never worked... Mmmm, that sounds like the one they have here as well. We go regularly to a Chinese restaurant for yumcha, and they have absolutely beautiful warm egg tartlets with flaky rice pastry which is divine, and coconut jelly which looks like blanc-mange, but is a bit more solid. They cut in in thick slices, and they wobble a bit, but we love it. I've been trying to duplicate it at home, and I do have agar-agar (want me to send you some, Tamara?) but so far, no good! What I make separates and although it tastes OK, it doesn't look too good Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who is getting very hungry, as she had a sandwich for lunch at 12 noon, and is working until 8.30pm, so it'll be another 30-40mns after that before she has dinner...:-( Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] ice-cream (lace-chat)
Lynn wrote: Take 600 ml of pure cream (please don't ask conversions I don't know, probably a pint)whip it up, then add one can sweetened condensed milk (you can use the skim), just make sure you don't beat it into butter then flavourings, then chuck it in a suitable size container and freeze. Easy as that. My French friend's mother used to make icecream in one of those old type ice cube container where the inside came off. She left that off, of course, and used, I think, cream and condensed milk, like Peter, and fresh strawberries pulped in a blender. It just went into the freezer and got stirred a few times. It was beautiful, but I can get those metal containers anymore, they're all plastic now, and the inside stays where it is. Maybe I could try icecream cubes? My mother makes a tapioca sort of mousse which I guarantee you would all love! It's got eggs, milk and brandied fruit in it, and I can't remember what else. I also have her recipe buried somewhere...I'll have to wait until I retire, though, all those things take too much time to make, and too little time to eat...as well as too many calories to put on :-) Helene, the verrry hungry froggy from Melbourne. Just cold meats and salad for dinner, alas... Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] busy lists?
Linda wrote: However, all my husband's astronomy lists are just as busy as ever. Probably mostly men in those, Linda :-)! They've got nothing to do before Xmas! You wouldn't catch my DH making Xmas presents, cooking Xmas food or writing Xmas cards, exept maybe 1-2 for his work (He is president of our local Historical Society this year and *very* busy!!) Yours, busy as well, but stopping work next week to do a 3 day workshop with Rosemary Shepherd on Fantasy flowers. Oh! joy!! Followed on the Saturday by our last meeting of the Lace Guild Victorian Branch for the year. Not much lace made that day, I spend the morning supervising my library book returns and borrowing, and in the afternoon, Rosemary will give a talk. I might take my tatting and practice! helene, the froggy from Melbourne, where is is really hot and sunny today, but they are announcing rain for Friday and the weekend, when I'll be free :-( Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] christening gown pattern (lace)
Anita wrote: BTW, has anyone got a nice pattern for said christening gown that I might borrow? I've looked in Vogue, Butterick, Simplicity, etc. etc. but not been 100% pleased with the patterns there. I can't remember exactly where, but I saw a round christening robe somewhere (could it have been in Lace?) with lace around the edge. It is really clever, as it has a central hole for the neck, and little slits to put the hands through, and it fits any size baby!!! Someone on the list may know who made it and where the pattern comes from? Helene, the froggy from sunny Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] what price the dollar?(lace)
Tamara wrote: Out of sheer cussedness, I checked the currency converter on the day of delivery (Oct 19) and it would have cost me U$ 31.30, had she not been honest. I checked again today, and the same GBP 17.99 translates to U$ 33.32. That means, that the buying power of the (once almighty) dollar has shrunk to 80/% in half a year (or less). I sympathize with you all, don't get me wrong, but think of us poor Australians (and New Zealanders too) who changed the currency from pounds to dollars in the late sixties. At first, our dollar was worth half a pound, since that's how they worked it out. It was also worth half an Engllish pound at the time, and one American dollar. Thirty odd years later, our dollar is worth about 35 English pence, and about 65-68 American cents. How's that for inflation? Helene, the poor froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] trifles
Carol wrote: All this talk of trifles - I may well not be able to continue as the drool is gumming up the keyboard. (I'm sorry - that may well be a bit more detail than you want or need, but to talk of such lovely trifles to a diabetic But - after all that, does anyone out there still make junket? Oh, yes, I make it from time to time. I can buy junket tablets at any supermarket, here. I don't make it often, as DH, like yours, doesn't like it. He doesn't like French creme caramel either, says there is nothing to sink his teeth into! Perhaps I could put some port or sherry in...? Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who found 10cms of hail whitening my friend's garden on Saturday afternoon when I visited her. She only lives 20mns drive from me, in another Melbourne suburb!! We had only had rain. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] burning pictures
thanks to you all who sent me emails with instructions on how to burn in multiple sessions.I don't have a burner, actually, I an burn occasionally at work, when I can get hold of the work burner, but I just want the photo shops to do what they advertise they can do!! Yours in lace! Helene the froggy from wet Melbourne. Flood warnings went out today for the city area, but so far, it's not raining heavily enough for that. I hope it won't happen at night... Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] burning CD -problems
Thanks, Dorte, I know you can do that, when you have a burner, which I don't, except at work, where it's inconvenient, since it's in a branch library 6 kms away from where I work... I just wondered if anyone gets their pictures done on CD at a shop and has actually managed to get the shop to put several films on the same CD in different sessions. And you don't actually say that you burn pictures at different times, you just say you burn 100 pictures, but it seems to be all at the same time. Is this correct? Helene, the froggy from Melbourne. --- Dorte Zielke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have Windows XP, and when I open up the documents, then pictures, there is on the left side a ?, in the ? there is more ? in the first one last line copi to CD I mark the photos that I whant to copy, put in my CD in the burner, it then says what I have on the CD, and the pictures that I am going to burn on the CD, press the button to burn, and within 2 min. it has burned 100 photos on my CD, I use cd-rw. I did once burn on a cd-r, on that I couldn't ad on. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Inge Skovgaard
Dear Ewa, It is always sad to lose someone who was a Master of their craft, or art, and who also worked so much for the lace community. I have 2 of Inge's books, and admire her work very much. please convey all my sympathy to her family and friends. Helene, the froggy from Melbourne. It is with a very heavy heart I must inform the Laceworld the following: My dear friend Inge Skovgaard, Denmark former editor of the OIDFA Bulletin, author of several lace books and an Outstanding Lacemaker, passed away peacefully at home last night after being ill for some time. The Lace World has suffered a great loss! Yours Ewa Eskilsson,in the very South of Sweden Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] CD burning
Steph wrote: ...So you have spent at least 10 lots of $59.95 on having films transferred on to CD Hey, easy, Steph!! I only spent 10 lots of five dollar ninety five, *not8 fifty-five dollarsMy goodness, do you think we Aussies are all millionaires???:-)) No good buying a scanner...I do't have a computer at home which is big enough to take one, it's not even big enough to have the full Microsoft Office, only Excel and WordWhen I retire and cannot use the work computer anymore, then I will start thiniking about buying a proper computer, with attachments! Until then, the photo shop will have to do me, at 5.95 a pop. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] burning CD -problems
Tamara wrote: So I got a big stack of cheap-ish CDs in preparation. They were *supposed* to be the kind one can *add* data to. Supposed is the key word... :) There's a disagreement betwen my puter and my discs; I can read someone else's disc, I can burn my own... But I *cannot* add to a once-burned disc... Tough :) Anyone knows anyone who has actually added data to a CD after burning it the first time? In Melbourne, we have a chain of photo-shops called Rabbit photo, and they advertize that they can burn CDs of your photos for $5.95, which is pretty good. They also say Next time, bring your CD with you, and we will add the new film to what you already have, up to (whatever number)on the same CD. The problem is...for the last 2 years, none of their branches has been able to do it for me!! They are OK if you bring several films to be done at the same time, they can all go on the same CD, but they keep telling me that at the moment their equipment cannot do add-ons !! I don't know when they will be able to, no-one seems to know anything about it. According to them it is supposed to work, it *should* work...but it doesn't! So much for technology. Which means that I now have about 10 CDs which could contain hundreds of pictures each, and which only have 24 or 36!!! As for other photo shops, I had a CD done once near home, and it wouldn't even talk to my CD/DVD player!!! I could raise the pictures, one by one and after a lot of work, on my computer, but it refused to work on the DVD player, whereas we don't have any problems with the CDs made by Kodak in France or the ones made by Rabbit. Weird... Yours, Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, back in the sun while I'm working after a dismal weekend. Went to see Hero at the cinema, wonderful photography! Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] What's in a name (joke)
I haven't seen this one on chat, and it's rare to get nice ones from my work, so I want to pass it on! The medal winning Olympic runner, Picabo (pronounced Peek-A-Boo), is not just an athlete, she is a nurse. She currently works in the Intensive Care Unit (ICU) of large South African metropolitan hospital. However, she is not permitted to answer the telephone while she is at work. It simply caused too much confusion when she would answer the phone and say: Picabo, ICU A good clean story is hard to find these days. Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who's working all Saturday this week :-( Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] digital cameras
Bev wrote: ...For a *lace* tool, the decision to buy a digital camera was a good one. I use it more than I would have thought, the main factor being the immediate results. I use it to examine a piece of antique lace, where the screen resolution is easier for me to see than a magnifying glass. I can then print a picture (in black and white to save ink) and draw on it, or snail mail it to someone Thanks, Bev, that's a great suggestion. I certainly agree you couldn't do that with a normal camera!I've parked your email to remember later, if I get one. Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, where it poured with rain yesterday, when the best known horserace in Australia took place!!! Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] placing sender's address on envelopes
Tamara wrote: ...I have lots of issues with the US's do it my way or take the highway attitude, but the placing of the address label isn't one of them :) it does make sense, if you're trying to have millions of pieces of mail processed, efficiently, by a dumb machine... I'm a great proponent of common sense :) Still raises the question, Tamara, of how come other countries can read the sender's addresses at the back with -probably- the same machines?... In Australia, we are required to put the Airmail sticker in the top left-hand corner. As far as I know, there are no stickers that combine AIRMAIL and sender's address on them :-)otherwise, I might buy them. I am quite happy for all the POs in the world to discuss the matter and decide that they are *all* going to ask their citizens to put the sender's address in the top left-hand corner (or wherever). I am less happy to know that my mail might be ditched out when I write to one country while it's OK in all the others...As you say, it's a small thing, but it is another irritant. I think I will put the sender's address on both back and front this Xmas, just to annoy everyone :-) helene, the froggy from Melbourne, with about 100 Xmas letters to go... Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Austrlian postage
Got it in one, Peter!! But try to explain to them that that's how it *really* works Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who lost her shirt (well,a $15.00 shirt anyway :-))at the Melbourne Cup yeaterday by backing 2 horses with a French name... From: Peter Goldsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace-chat] Australian Postage I worked for a short time for the tax office when the new tax system came in an it seems to me the post office is double dipping as you described it Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Australian postage problems
--- Jane Partridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Helene Gannac [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes What you have to do is increase the postage by 10% to cover the GST. So, instead of putting $1,65 on a letter, for instance, you have to put $1,65 plus 16 cents (10% extra to cover the GST). But surely there are different rates anyway for international and local mail, so any tax will be calculated in the amount to pay, regardless what is on the front of a valid stamp (other than the price)? I assume the idea behind all this is for the machinery to distinguish between the two so that the powers that be can calculate how much has to be paid in tax, and how much is exempt. -- Jane Partridge No, Jane, the idea behind all that is that all GST (equivalent to VAT) for goods and services is included in the price *in* Australia. We never pay more than what is stated, the GST is already included in any price, whether in a shop or at the restaurant.So the face value of a domestic stamp is postage including GST. However, exports do not attract GST, so someone with a twisted mind decided that because international letters and parcels were going overseas, we shouldn't pay GST on the stamps, which are also going overseas when they are stuck on the envelopes...:-), and the international stamp is supposed to be postage value without GST. At the end of the year, the PO, and every other poor shopkeeper, restaurateur, company manager, etc, has to calculate how much GST they charged people, and send their forms to the Government as part of the income tax process. So the PO decided that there would be stamps for domestic consumption taxed with GST (means 50c postage instead of 45 cents to start with, as the GST was passed down to the consumer), but international stamps would remain the same (not for very long, unfortunately...), as the PO didn't have to pay GST to the Government for those. So, then, they claimed that if we used domestic stamps on international envelopes, the PO would have to pay more GST to the Government when they shouldn't!!! To me, it seems a ridiculous statement, since they pass on the cost to the consumer, but go figure Anyway, there was a huge outcry at the time by all stamps collectors who screamed blue murder at the idea of not being able to send unusual stamps wherever they wanted to (I was one of them writing to the Postmaster and to the Minister), so in the end, they decided that people could use any stamps, provided they made up the 10% GST by adding to the official postage. So, for instance, if you use a $1.00 international stamp plus a 65 cents domestic stamp to send a letter to France, you have to add on 10% of 65 cents or just over it if you can't just make it. Ridiculous, isn't it? But that's little Johnny and his comrades for you!! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, where Xmas decorations hace already crept up everywhere... Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] kangaroos in the garden
Dominique wrote: wow.. I'd love to have kangaroos around though not grazing on my plants . maybe i should go looking for wallabies in fontainebleau forest ... i've always loved kangaroos . one of my aunts remember taking me to the zoo when i was about 7 and having to go the kangaroos first ...VBG.. Don't dispair, Dominique! You might see some wallabies (smaller cousins of kangaroos) if you go to northern England, apparently there have been a few sightings there from animals escaped from local zoos. I can't remember where I read about it, last year or 2 years ago...Just make sure it's not cornered, and don't try to pat it if you see one, they can be eviscerate you with their back claws if frightened! Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] kangaroos in the garden
Ooops!! Apologies to everyone, I forgot to sign my last posting... Helene, the froggy from Melbourne (easier to pick up and pat!Well, not me, actually, froggies, I mean) Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] problem with new technology for group viewings
Devon wrote: As some people know, I recently did a slide show at Ithaca. When I began to prepare for the show, my initial thought was that I should go digital... Hello, Devon, this was another of my grouches about digital photography (see posting in Lace about digital cameras) I used to give slide shows and always had nearly perfect pictures in a long room for about 100 people. Last year, I was asked to show some photos of my French trip to our lace group (about 50-70 people), and, since I had taken prints, but also had the negatives on disc, I decided that a computer generated show was the only thing I could do. I rang around to hire a projector for the afternoon, since there wasn't one in the room we have our meetings in. I was quoted prices from 200 to 500 Australian dollars, and that was just for the day, so I would have had to pick it up in the morning (Saturday!) and returned it immediately after the presentation. Neither I nor my group could have paid that much! I was saved by being able to borrow the projector we use at work, and I had to have a very quick introduction to Powerpoint, which I'd never used before!! Everything went well, but I found the projector could only be set close to the screen, and the picture projected was at least half the size of the one I usually get with slides, which was very inconvenient for a big group. I didn't think the quality of the screen picture was that great either. It's very difficult to decide which way to go, isn't it? The technology may be getting better, but it's also much dearer, and I don't think community groups are going to be able to cope with the high prices. I can't imagine being able to buy a computer-driven projector and screen, unless prices just drop dramatically. And I certainly wouldn't pay even 100 dollars a day just to show some photos to a group! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne gazing sadly at the weeds in her garden. But the roses are magnificent! Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Australian postage problems
Liz wrote: Helene, how do you get your Overseas mail posted with a variety of stamps on it? Since the GST came in, there are special stamps (GST free) for Overseas mail, and local, stamps are illegal on overseas mail. Our P.O. won't let you post overseas with anything but the 'Proper International stamps on. If your PO told you it is illegal to put local stamps on overseas mail, they are a bunch of ignorant idiots and they should have checked with their Postmaster General. I actually sent him a letter of complaint when they started that stupid local versus international stamp ruling which no other country has ever had, and I received a letter back which denied that it was illegal, and gave the following explanation: What you have to do is increase the postage by 10% to cover the GST. So, instead of putting $1,65 on a letter, for instance, you have to put $1,65 plus 16 cents (10% extra to cover the GST). So it costs you a bit more, who who cares? I always put more than needed on the envelopes when I send to stamp collectors anyway! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who always gets vociferous when told to do something stupid by an organisation. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] digital cameras, general thanks and answer
Hello, hello, I seem to have raised a storm with my Digital cameras-against posting!! Thanks to all who wrote back to me, I can't answer all of you individually, you are too many. Because it isn't directly lace related (although it is indirectly, since we are talking about photographing lace, please write to lace-chat if you want to continue the topic. I just want to say that you still haven't convinced me that *printed* digital photos are any good, everyone just talks about viewing them onscreen, but I do recognize that zooming seems to be better with a digital. Oh, well, I'll have to get DH to buy one, and I'll keep my SLR, and we'll have the best of both worlds...:-) Yours, late for everything, Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, welcoming a bit of rain after a few dry days. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Xmas mail
Tamara wrote: (or seems to; the older generation tends to put the return address at the back of the envelope, rather than in the upper left corner of the front, and the PO doesn't seem to bother to check for that)... I think putting the return address on the front is an American habit, I've never seen anyone do that in France or in Australia, apart from companies who have printed envelopes and usually a if cannot be delivered, return to sender request. Personally, I never have room to put my own address on the front of an envelope, what with airmail stickers and lots of exotic stamps which I always use instead of those rubbishy printed stickers from the P.O. Fancy encouraging people to collect stamps on one hand, and making it so easy for them *not* to use them on the other! Cutting their own throat, I think! Anyway, I would be extremely mad if I ever found out that any P.O. chucks my letters out wihtout bothering to turn them over to check if I've put the sender's address on. This is really taking the the only way to do something is to do it the way we do it so we will ignore everything else attitude. It's going to be interesting to see how the Xmas mail moves this year! I usually send about 80 letters and calendars overseas, and 30 in Australia. Costs me a fortune, but it's the only way to keep in touch with some people I seldom see. Don't say, you can phone them for less, I hate using the telephone, and neve would use it instead of a Xmas letter! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Darwin Awards
Nominee No. 1: [San Jose Mercury News]: An unidentified man, using a shotgun like a club to break a former girlfriend's windshield, accidentally shot himself to death when the gun discharged, blowing a hole in his gut. Well, she was quite right to ditch him, wasn't she? I hope she wasn't pregnant..:-) Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] secret pal thanks
--- Brenda Paternoster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5 bobbins; um use three of them to make a hair type braid and pass the other pair in and out of that and make some picots on either side. Something for tamara to think about! Brenda Mmmm, it doesn't sound much like Idrija lace...I'll keep it in mind, but the bobbins are all of half a centimetre long, so I don't think I'd be using them much anyway! :-) Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] opened parcels and mail in general
Brenda wrote: I picked this up from someone in Canada on a family history discussion group, but would apply to lacemakers too. Unfortunately a couple of Secret pal packages have gone astray this round. I believe they all had some sort of return address on, but without one it is even less traceable. ALL the parcels I've received in Melbourne for the last 6 months or so have been opened by Customs, even though they all had sender's ID at the back, and whether they were flat (magazines) or parcel shaped! The repair job on the wrapping was appalling and pretty useless. I also received 2 letters from my father (at different times), which had been roughly open at the top, enough for someone to check whether the letter contained banknotes or not. They didn't, but they did contain stamps and newspaper articles, and I don't know whether anything did fall out of them, as Dad couldn't remember what stamps and articles he had sent. I sent one of the envelopes to the Postmaster General with a complaint, but haven't heard anything at all. I think some employees are taking advantage of the reign of terror to see if there is anything for them to snatch!! I used to be very happy with our postal services, but am rapidly revising my opinion. Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] gimp and gimpless machine lace
Patty wrote: This weekend, I tried a little experiment. I had acquired a piece of very old machine lace with handrun gimp. It is a very beautiful pattern, tending toward the Baroque. Anyway, I got the idea of removing the gimp from a single repeat to see what the lace runners had to deal with. It took me something like 4 hours to remove the gimp. My esteem for those lace runners has gone up a lot! It may have been machine lace, but the amount of handwork was phenomonal. I have loaded pictures on Arachne Webshots. http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003-date Wow, thanks for that experiment, Patty!! It certainly looks different without the gimp, doesn't it? The gimp really lifts it and make it so much more beautiful to look at! I will try to remember that lesson in my own handmade lace! Thanks, Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Hungarian visit
Dear Dora, thank you for the report on your visit. I have printed it out (in BW,only, unfortunately, those costumes are magnificent!) to give to my lacemaker friend who is Hungarian and came to the AGM to learn how to make Halas lace. She will love it. Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] lace ring
2) I understand there is a Ring thing that works even better than the Green Horseshoe, and that it has extensions to make larger rings. Does anyone know of these? Can you point me in the right direction to find them, please? - and perhaps give me it's correct name! Maybe somebody who attended our AGM still hasn't cleaned out their goodies bag yet (I did 'cos I needed it to travel to Perth last week) but there was an advert in it for just this same thing. So please, Helene and others, dig deep to find the info for Liz if you can. Bye for now, Shirley T - Yes, I saw it. It's sold by Moravia. I'll bring the pamphlet to the lacemaking day on Saturday, Liz...if I haven't chucked it out, since I don't plan to buy one. Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] art bras
Heather wrote: Hello all, Here's more art bras. These ones all from Australia (I think).I'm tempted to make one myself to hang in my craft room I had a new customer join the library this morning. His family name is : Brabender. :-) Poor bloke must have had a nasty time in secondary school!! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] secret pal thanks
I haven't bothered thanking my Secret Pal online this month, since...she actually gave me my parcel while we were face to face at the Adelaide Lace AGM early in the month! I know we are not supposed to know each other until the end of next month, but really, we couldn't possibly go to the same conference, so far away for her (she lives in Europe, but I won't spoil the surprise)and *not* say hello!!! Still, I thought maybe Brenda would worry whether I have received my parcel or not, so here are my public thanks for a goorgeous miniature Idrija pillow, complete with basket and finished small Idrija motif, and... 5 bobbins. It looks absolutely divine (although...5 bobbins? I bet these items are not put together by lacemakers!!! :-)) Thank you so much to my wonderful Secret Pal who lugged this not very heavy but fairly bulky item so far. I loved it, and I also loved talking to you and Marco, even if my Italian is a great deal worse than your excellent English. Looking forward to the last parcel, even if I won't get the surprise of your identity! Hope to see you soon again, in Melbourne this time, Yours Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] The Bill
david wrote: You may recall some months back we had a discussion about what's been happening on The Bill. Well obviously the UK were far ahead of us when I went to their Homepage. DH used to watch every episode of The Bill, and he thought it was one of the best ever police drama on TV, and even I used to watch it, and that's a compliment indeed, as I'm usually more inclined to read or write letters, or even make lace! However, we stopped watching it last year, when the subject of the series changed and became so terribly daggy and sexy and non-police oriented. We get so fed up with steamy stories about everyone love affairs and sleeping arrangements!! And you get the full spectrum, man-woman, woman-woman, man-man, man-woman-man, etcSoon, we'll be into child pornography on the screen! Obviously the writers have run out of ideas for good police action stories and are resorting to sex to keep their show on air. Well, it's not succeeding with us! Give us back the good old days where policemen and women went on the beat and actually did some worthwhile work every day!!! If this new series reflects what our police really acts like, I want to stop paying taxes to support them! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] your heart
What bad news, David, but so good that it was detected in time and didn't cause you enormous problems!! No wonder we don't see you at the meetings anymore, but I hopw you will drop in som times now you have a brand new artery... All the best with everything, specially your Valenciennes :-) Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, where we didn't reach the 40 degrees outside, but got it in the library, the air conditioning having decided it was still winter that day...:-) Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] computer humour
I just got these from work, and can't remember seeing them on the list, so enjoy! Im sure Tamara particularly will appreciate, being an avid computer fan.. Helene, the froggy from Melbourne HOW TO CLEAN YOUR MOUSE This memo is from an unnamed computer company. It went to all field engineers about a computer peripheral problem. The author of this memo was quite serious. The engineers rolled on the floor. Mouse balls are now available as FRU (Field Replacement Unit). Therefore, if a mouse fails to operate or should it perform erratically, it may need a ball replacement. Because of the delicate nature of this procedure, replacement of mouse balls should only be attempted by properly trained personnel. Before proceeding, determine the type of mouse balls by examining the underside of the mouse. Domestic balls will be larger and harder than foreign balls. Ball removal procedures differ depending upon the manufacturer of the mouse. Foreign balls can be replaced using the pop-off method. Domestic balls are replaced by using the twist-off method. Mouse balls are not usually static sensitive. However, excessive handling can result in sudden discharge. Upon completion of ball replacement, the mouse may be used immediately. It is recommended that each replacer have a pair of spare balls for maintaining optimum customer satisfaction. Any customer missing his balls should suspect local personnel of removing these necessary items. -- 0 - At a recent COMDEX, Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated that: If GM had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon. General Motors has issued a press release stating: 1. For no reason whatsoever your car would crash twice a day. 2. Every time they repainted the lines on the road, you would have to buy a new car. 3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason, and you would just accept this, restart and drive on. 4. Occasionally, executing a manoeuvre such as a left turn, would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine. 5. Only one person at a time could use the car, unless you bought Car 95 or Car NT. But then you would have to buy more seats. 6. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive, but would only work on 5% of the roads. 7. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning light would be replaced by a single general car default warning light. 8. New seats would force everyone to have the same size butt. 9. The airbag system would say Are you sure? before going off. 10. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key, and grab hold of the radio antenna. 11. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of Rand McNally road maps (now a GM subsidiary), even though they neither need them nor want them. Attempting to delete this option would immediately cause the car's performance to diminish by 50% or more. Moreover, GM would become a target for investigation by the justice dept. 12. Every time GM introduced a new model, car buyers would have to learn to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car. 13. You would press the start button to shut off the engine Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Battenberg/Mountbatten
There is no reason why they can't both have been Lord Battenberg. the grandfather was Lord Battenberg, then when he died, his eldest son became Lord Battenberg, so Prince Philip must have been the son of the younger son, and his father did not get the title. Simple. The name was changed during the First World War to avoid any German taint attaching to the Royal Family of Gb, never mind that the German royal family were descendants of Queen Victoria!! Politics!! helene, the froggy from Melbourne I do remember him and when he died, and had the same thought, but the book implies that the reference was to Lord Mountbatten's father Butit is your history and who ever said that books are infallible ;-D)Goodness knows that I have a hard enough time with our own history. (VBG)Atleast Battenberg lace was probably post Civil War, in this country. Happy Lacing BarbE - Original Message - From: Jean Barrett To: Barb ETx Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:57 AM Subject: Re: [lace] Battenberg Lace Hi BarbE, Earl Mountbatten of Burma was Prince Phillips Uncle, not Grandfather. Jean in Cleveland U.K. On 20 Sep 2004, at 17:23, Barb ETx wrote: Yup! The first title 'Princess of Battenberg' was created in 1858. Victoria's granddaughter married into the Battenberg family. Also the present Prince Phillip's grand father was Earl of Mountbatten (same name ...anglicized). I think I have it in near proper order. anyway, really too late for the Civil War. BarbE Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] engagement bells
We have some exciting news. DD1 became engaged to her boyfriend last night. Congratulations, Yvonne! And best wishes to the happy couple! You're lucky they're not getting engaged after having had 2 daughters, like my stepDD!! At least she's now engaged to the father of the first daughter (14 years old...), so she's not creating a 3rd problem :-) I hope you had started on the lace veil already...You don't have much time. Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Sulochona's lace
The original design is on Tamara's website. I have changed quite a lot of it. I tried out Tamara's neckpiece, then undid it. I tried out my own version and undid that too. In the end, I left it out altogether. Solochona, your lace is exquisite! You make me ashamed of myself at doing so little, and you inspire me, as do all the lacemakers whose beautiful work I see on the net. Tamara, you also deserve congratulations for that lovely design. I hope you keep printed records of all your designs as well as compute ones! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who'd like to rush home to make some lace afte seeing Sulochona's! Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] mobiles and their charges
Lynne wrote: We have had to block our house phone from phoning mobiles since our last bill. DD2 was calling her friends - only for a few seconds each time (when she was out of credit on her mobile) but the accrued total of minimum call charges was frightening. I sympathize with you, Lynne! I have always wondered by which logic various Telecoms around the world have decided that people on normal phones ringing a mobile had to pay extra!! After all, it's not my fault if someone I need to talk to prefers to own a mobile rather than a normal phone!! Why should I pay for his/her choice? And you can get really stung by trade people transferring their calls to a mobile without warning you! My parents in France got an enormous phone bill because they had to arrange repairs on a house in a different part of the country from where they live usually. They had to do it by phone, and didn't realize that every time they rang the guy's phone number, they were transferred to his mobile! And 80% of the time he wasn't there even to answer his mobile, but my parents had to pay for the connection!! Why don't we all revolt against that practice? Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] secret pal's thanks
Dear secret pal, I think you might have unsubscribed, since you are coming to Australia on holidays, but just in case, I'm sending this to say I've just received your lovely parcel for September! Thank you so much for the Italian lace book, I've always wanted to try that kind of lace, so now I can start from the beginning! I also like the cottons and the crochet hook. Would you believe it! I've got nbr 1,2 and 3 and I've got nbr 5 and 6, but no number 4, so it's perfect!! I'm looking forward to seeing you at the end of the month. Have a wonderful holiday. Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] what's French wire?
Thanks, Lorri, that sounds interesting. I must make sure I supervise the event :-) Still doesn't explain why the wire has to be French, but... Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, starting to prepare for the ALG conference in Adelaide. Hope the weather will be nicer than 2 years ago! --- Lorri Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Helene and all, In the US, we have a product in jewelry repair/manufacture called French Wire. It is a very small coil of ultra fine wire which is threaded over the cord used in bead stringing. A short (1/4) piece is installed 'over' the cord at the point the cord will be passing thru the clasp loop. This is done to protect the cord from wear. However, there are now modern designs where the French Wire is installed over the thread 'between' beads (usually teardrop forms) to keep a space between the beads when worn. It also gives the illusion that the cord is metallic. It is used as a design element. My guess is that what the demonstration is going to cover is the latter of the above uses. If you get a chance to go let us know how and/or what the technique and product is. Wishing I could attend, Lorri Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] what's French wire?
Hello, all you know-all spiders, can you help me? My library is having a demonstration on jewellery with French wire next month. Ever heard of French wire, because I haven't!!! Another case of : If it's rude or unusual, call it French, and everyone will think it's OK? ...;-) Helene, the puzzled froggy from Melbourne. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] joke
A nice clean joke for the list, for once!! I hope you haven't all read it already... The medal winning Olympic runner, Picabo (pronounced Peek-A-Boo), is not just an athlete, she is a nurse. She currently works in the Intensive Care Unit (ICU) of a large South African metropolitan hospital. However, she is not permitted to answer the telephone while she is at work. It simply caused too much confusion when she answered the phone and said: Picabo, ICU A good clean story is hard to find these days. Apart from that, I'd like to tell you that I gave myself a nice, expensive present for my birthday, last week. I was demonstrating at the Melbourne Stitches and Crafts Show on Saturday, all day, and I finally bought that floor lamp and magnifier that I've been drooling over for the last 2-3 years, the one with a circular light around the magnifying glass, and a cover for the magnifier. As I grow older, my eyesight definitely needs some enhancement!!The perfect excuse... So I charged a few (:-)) more dollars to my credit card and carted away several kilos worth of boxes on the suitcase trolley I had remembered to bring (the base is the worst bit, the lamp itself is not very heavy), and went back to our Australian Lace Guild stand to find that next to it was another stand that sold different lamps and magnifiers, and probably one I would have preferred, and a bit cheaper, too!...Isn't that life!! For years, the other one was the only one I could see at shows, and the minute I buy it, I see a better one! Well, I was not game enough to go to the stand where I'd bought the lampo and tell him I wanted a refund! The poor man had carted it for me from Sydney specially When do you think I can get myself the other one? Will DH have forgotten my purchase next year? in 2 years' time? Meanwhile, I'd better make some lace Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, looking forward to a trip to Adelaide at the end of the month, for the Australian Lace Guild AGM. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] yahoo accounts - good or bad?
Hi, Liz, I'm a Yahoo person! I have 2 accounts, one for the lace lists and general, and one for family and some friends. I use 2 different names and passwords. The thing to avoid, though, is joining yahoo.com. You get inundated by trash mail. I used to be in that, and it was terrible!! 3 years ago, I joined yahoo.com.au, which is the Australian branch, and I've had hardly any problem with junk mail at all, perhaps 10 or 12 in that time, and I had a feeling they got the address from someone I gave my email address to (like bank, charities, mag. subscription...), because I have never had any junk mail sent to my family and friends accounts. I quite recommend a Yahoo account. helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Secret Pal letter from Helene
Dear Secret Pal, thank you for your email. I hopw you have a lovely trip! Your itinary sounds really nice. I haven't been to Ulura, yet, I've only lived in Australia for 35 years..:-) I'm looking forward to meeting you at the Conference, but you will have to find me, since I don't know who you are! Until then, have a wonderful time Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] attendance at general meetings
Nicky wrote: ...My husband and I were both delegates at the Scarborough Convention this year, I am a member he isn't. When it came to the AGM he was officiously refused entry by the woman on the door, I queried it but she was adamant that he was not allowed in - as was another mouthy person attending. Consequently I attended on my own while my husband thoroughly enjoyed himself in the company of suppliers Richard and Jenny Ives - hence despite the considerable embarressment that we were caused we didn't make an issue of it... I'm arriving a bit late on this subject, reading my mail a week after, but I find it very strange to read about all those people who get offended or embarassed by being refused entrance to a general meeting! Just ask yourself this : if your husband/wife/friend.. was a banker, would you *really* prance into the bank and expect to sit with them at their AGM?? I bet you wouldn't even think of it! So, just because lacemakers associations are warm fuzzy places, does it mean that all the rules of management have to go out of the window because someone feels more relaxed about the lace AGM than about the Bank one? I think not! As far as I know, non-members are refused entrance at our Australian Lace Guild AGM meetings, and I am quite agreeable to it. It's a matter for members only, and no-one else should even think of crashing in, even if they are interested in joining. they get plenty of chances to see what the association is like by attending other events. Of course, the problem of recent members remain, but there is a limit to be drawn somewhere. Perhaps the Committee could ask new members to come to the office at the beginning of the Convention with some proof of membership to make sure they are on the roll? That business reminds me of all the customers who come to our public library and expect us to do strange things for them like lending them a guillotine, giving them paper clips, rubber bands, blank paper, stapling their documents, lending our Tipp-Ex, using our phone to ring up their friends, and many others, and get short with us when we refuse. Would they go to a bank or a doctor's surgery and expect the same? not really...We are glad to see that people view us as a kinder sort of institution, but we also wish they would grow up and be sensible! Off my soap-box,now, to wish you all many happy AGMs... Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, where the sun shines after a lousy weekend. Typical! Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
