[LUTE] Re: La Bella strings
--047d7bd6c5e8d0d9b304f7c7f168 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What pitch were you tuning the Oud at? Turkish Ouds are not tuned at the same pitch as North African Ouds.. they are tuned higher.. -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier [image: Images intégrées 1] www.estavel.org 2014-04-24 6:13 GMT-04:00 Matthew Daillie dail...@club-internet.fr: Dear Edward, I ordered some La Bella strings a few years back and their calculations were way off. I was able to do my own for the nylon strings by measuring the diameter but it was really hit and miss for the copper-wound strings as I didn't have any basis for calculation. The strings they suggested on their website were totally inappropriate (far too slack). I did contact them about this issue but they never sorted anything out. Shame, because their strings are well made and reasonably priced. Best Matthew On 24 avr. 2014, at 11:12, Edward C. Yong edward.y...@gmail.com wrote: Hi lutelisters! So a student of mine picked up a set of La Bella lute strings w octaves and we strung up her Turkish-made 8-course lute (59cm string length) with them. Then I noticed something very odd - the higher octaves were far too loose at the correct pitch as they were flabby and flopped about. Checking the diameters, I realised were basically the appropriate diameters for tuning at TWO octaves above the fundamental. For example, the nylon octave D on the 8th course was the same diameter as the nylon D on the 2nd course. Next, the tension on the bass courses seems far too low - they also flop about and buzz annoyingly. This is quite perplexing - the tensions listed in the pdf on the La Bella website already seem quite low, but when strung up, the strings feel far looser than what is listed. Also, when I use Arto Wikla's string calculator and feed in the density + string length + diameter, the resulting tensions is significantly lower than what La Bella indicates. I haven't used La Bella in nearly two decades. Can anyone advise if I'm imagining things? Edward Chrysogonus Yong edward.y...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --047d7bd6c5e8d0d9b304f7c7f168 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable div dir=ltrWhat pitch were you tuning the Oud at?  Turkish Ouds are not tuned at the same pitch as North African Ouds..  they are tuned higher..   divbr/divdivbr clear=allbr-- br div /div divBruno Cognyl-Fournier/div div /div div /div divspan/spanspan/spanimg alt=Images intégrées 1 src=cid:ii_1447402dfdcf9f26 width=96 height=96 /div diva href=http://www.estavel.org/; target=_blankwww.estavel.org/a/div div /div br/div/divdiv class=gmail_extrabrbrdiv class=gmail_quote2014-04-24 6:13 GMT-04:00 Matthew Daillie span dir=ltrlt;a href=mailto:dail...@club-internet.fr; target=_blankdail...@club-internet.fr/agt;/span:br blockquote class=gmail_quote style=margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1exDear Edward,br br I ordered some La Bella strings a few years back and their calculations were way off. I was able to do my own for the nylon strings by measuring the diameter but it was really hit and miss for the copper-wound strings as I didn#39;t have any basis for calculation. The strings they suggested on their website were totally inappropriate (far too slack). I did contact them about this issue but they never sorted anything out. Shame, because their strings are well made and reasonably priced.br br Bestbr span class=HOEnZbfont color=#88br Matthewbr /font/spandiv class=im HOEnZbbr br On 24 avr. 2014, at 11:12, quot;Edward C. Yongquot; lt;a href=mailto:edward.y...@gmail.com;edward.y...@gmail.com/agt; wrote:br br gt; Hi lutelisters!br gt;br gt; So a student of mine picked up a set of La Bella lute strings w octaves and we strung up her Turkish-made 8-course lute (59cm string length) with them.br gt;br gt; Then I noticed something very odd - the higher octaves were far too loose at the correct pitch as they were flabby and flopped about. Checking the diameters, I realised were basically the appropriate diameters for tuning at TWO octaves above the fundamental. For example, the nylon octave D on the 8th course was the same diameter as the nylon D on the 2nd course.br gt;br gt; Next, the tension on the bass courses seems far too low - they also flop about and buzz annoyingly.br gt;br gt; This is quite perplexing - the tensions listed in the pdf on the La Bella website already seem quite low, but when strung up, the strings feel far looser than what is listed. Also, when I use Arto Wikla#39;s string calculator and feed in the density + string length + diameter, the resulting tensions is significantly lower than what La Bella indicates.br gt;br gt; I haven#39;t used La Bella in nearly two decades. Can
[LUTE] Re: backpacks for lutes?
Colin Everett in Ottawa, had designed an array of travel lutes, that never really got off the ground in popularity. They were flat back, rectangular, no peghead, where as your pegs for tuning were on the bridge side, on the end block. He took them to the lute society seminars at some point and got an order or two. When Colin passed away, he bequeathed the two sets ( from Bass to Soprano) the Carlton University in Ottawa. I have the Baroque lute version of his travel lutes, but needs to be restored, and I don't have the time.. -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier www.estavel.org 2014-03-06 9:41 GMT-05:00 Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com: While we're at it, let me repeat my plea for a luthier to design a practical travel lute a la the Soloette or Aria AS-100C Sinsonido silent travel guitars: http://www.amazon.com/Aria-AS-100C-Sinsonido-Travel-Guitar/dp/B002AMVC0I/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top. I took one of these on vacation and kept up my classical guitar chops. I've also used it plugged into an amp for wedding gigs. People think it looks cool, too. There are electric ouds and even gambas nowadays as well. No such option for the lute... I have a few design ideas but no wood working ability at all. If you're a builder interested in cornering the market, feel free to contact me! Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com On Thu, 3/6/14, Geoff Gaherty ge...@gaherty.ca wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Re: backpacks for lutes? To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, March 6, 2014, 7:17 AM On 06/03/14 2:29 AM, T.Kakinami wrote: http://www.bagluthiers.com/producto.php?i43p=laud_renacentista_-_barroco6cc3f8id=43 That's close to my ideal. My present cases are mostly made of wood and significantly heavy and hard, not something I would want to strap on my back. A light-weight soft padded case on my back would be a big improvement. Geoff -- Geoff Gaherty Foxmead Observatory Coldwater, Ontario, Canada http://www.gaherty.ca http://starrynightskyevents.blogspot.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: backpacks for lutes?
a video on Colin, which includes demonstration of his travel lute.. can be found here: http://vimeo.com/29128621 maybe some luthier can pick up on the idea... Bruno 2014-03-06 9:55 GMT-05:00 Bruno Fournier br...@estavel.org: Colin Everett in Ottawa, had designed an array of travel lutes, that never really got off the ground in popularity. They were flat back, rectangular, no peghead, where as your pegs for tuning were on the bridge side, on the end block. He took them to the lute society seminars at some point and got an order or two. When Colin passed away, he bequeathed the two sets ( from Bass to Soprano) the Carlton University in Ottawa. I have the Baroque lute version of his travel lutes, but needs to be restored, and I don't have the time.. -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier www.estavel.org 2014-03-06 9:41 GMT-05:00 Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com: While we're at it, let me repeat my plea for a luthier to design a practical travel lute a la the Soloette or Aria AS-100C Sinsonido silent travel guitars: http://www.amazon.com/Aria-AS-100C-Sinsonido-Travel-Guitar/dp/B002AMVC0I/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top. I took one of these on vacation and kept up my classical guitar chops. I've also used it plugged into an amp for wedding gigs. People think it looks cool, too. There are electric ouds and even gambas nowadays as well. No such option for the lute... I have a few design ideas but no wood working ability at all. If you're a builder interested in cornering the market, feel free to contact me! Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com On Thu, 3/6/14, Geoff Gaherty ge...@gaherty.ca wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Re: backpacks for lutes? To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, March 6, 2014, 7:17 AM On 06/03/14 2:29 AM, T.Kakinami wrote: http://www.bagluthiers.com/producto.php?i43p=laud_renacentista_-_barroco6cc3f8id=43 That's close to my ideal. My present cases are mostly made of wood and significantly heavy and hard, not something I would want to strap on my back. A light-weight soft padded case on my back would be a big improvement. Geoff -- Geoff Gaherty Foxmead Observatory Coldwater, Ontario, Canada http://www.gaherty.ca http://starrynightskyevents.blogspot.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: backpacks for lutes?
what makes this a travel lute I wonder?? Bruno 2014-03-06 11:18 GMT-05:00 Edward C. Yong edward.y...@gmail.com: did anyone ever try out one of the Roosebeck instruments? http://www.handcraftedworldinstruments.com/Roosebeck_7_Course_Travel_Lute_Rosewood_p/ltt7r.htm who buys these things, i do wonder… Edward Chrysogonus Yong edward.y...@gmail.com On 6 Mar, 2014, at 10:55 PM, Bruno Fournier br...@estavel.org wrote: Colin Everett in Ottawa, had designed an array of travel lutes, that never really got off the ground in popularity. They were flat back, rectangular, no peghead, where as your pegs for tuning were on the bridge side, on the end block. He took them to the lute society seminars at some point and got an order or two. When Colin passed away, he bequeathed the two sets ( from Bass to Soprano) the Carlton University in Ottawa. I have the Baroque lute version of his travel lutes, but needs to be restored, and I don't have the time.. -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier www.estavel.org 2014-03-06 9:41 GMT-05:00 Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com: While we're at it, let me repeat my plea for a luthier to design a practical travel lute a la the Soloette or Aria AS-100C Sinsonido silent travel guitars: http://www.amazon.com/Aria-AS-100C-Sinsonido-Travel-Guitar/dp/B002AMVC0I/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top. I took one of these on vacation and kept up my classical guitar chops. I've also used it plugged into an amp for wedding gigs. People think it looks cool, too. There are electric ouds and even gambas nowadays as well. No such option for the lute... I have a few design ideas but no wood working ability at all. If you're a builder interested in cornering the market, feel free to contact me! Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com On Thu, 3/6/14, Geoff Gaherty ge...@gaherty.ca wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Re: backpacks for lutes? To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, March 6, 2014, 7:17 AM On 06/03/14 2:29 AM, T.Kakinami wrote: http://www.bagluthiers.com/producto.php?i43p=laud_renacentista_-_barroco6cc3f8id=43 That's close to my ideal. My present cases are mostly made of wood and significantly heavy and hard, not something I would want to strap on my back. A light-weight soft padded case on my back would be a big improvement. Geoff -- Geoff Gaherty Foxmead Observatory Coldwater, Ontario, Canada http://www.gaherty.ca http://starrynightskyevents.blogspot.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: backpacks for lutes?
--e89a8fb1f7fc15636704f3e260f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I replied to Wayne directly, but I'll share what I replied: Bag luthiers, see link below, makes soft backpack cases for lutes and theorbos.. Hi Wayne, I have a backpack softcase for my arabic oud, used to be sold by Kalaf Ouds; http://www.oudstrings.com/index.php?route=product/productproduct_id=127 Hi again Wayne, there is also a company in Spain, they're on Facebook, they seem to make all kinds of bags for early instruments: http://www.bagluthiers.com/ I'm going to Spain this summer, I might pay them a visit. -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier [image: Images intégrées 1] www.estavel.org 2014-03-05 15:51 GMT-05:00 Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net: I'll bet no manufacturer is thinking of backpacks for lutes. Haven't seen one yet in REI, LL Bean, or Cabela's. Here's what I use- It's a top loading army duffle bag with two straps for carrying on one's back. I dump the lute in it's MTM case right in, the top clip just manages to close. The size I have tightly fits my tenor size 8 course Renaissance lute, but the next bigger size should work for a bass rider or 11 course Baroque lute. I position it so the pegbox faces back, and the flat part lies against my back. Great for taking the subway into town, and any schlepping on foot long distance in inclement weather to gigs that don't pay enough Dan. http://www.chiefsupply.com/rothco-double-strap-g-i-style- duffle-bag-olive-drab.html?gclid=CL6D4Lig_LwCFbFaMgodPWwADw On 3/5/2014 11:56 AM, wayne cripps wrote: I see guys carrying 'cellos and guitars in backpacks - does anyone make a backpack for a baroque lute (in its case)? Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --e89a8fb1f7fc15636704f3e260f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable div div /div/div divI replied to Wayne directly, but I#39;ll share what I replied:/div div /div divBag luthiers, see link below, makes soft backpack cases for lutes and theorbos../div div /div divHi Wayne, /div divbrI have a backpack softcase for my arabic oud, used to be sold by Kalaf Ouds; a href=http://www.oudstrings.com/index.php?route=product/productamp;product_id=127;http://www.oudstrings.com/index.php?route=product/productamp;product_id=127/a/div div /div div /div divHi again Wayne, /div divbrthere is also a company in Spain, they#39;re on Facebook, they seem to make all kinds of bags for early instruments: /div divbra href=http://www.bagluthiers.com/;http://www.bagluthiers.com//a/div div /div divI#39;m going to Spain this summer, I might pay them a visit./div divbrbr clear=allbr-- br/div div div /div divBruno Cognyl-Fournier/div div /div div /div divspan/spanspan/spanimg alt=Images intégrées 1 src=cid:ii_1447402dfdcf9f26 width=96 height=96 /div diva href=http://www.estavel.org/; target=_blankwww.estavel.org/a/div div /div /div divbrbr /div div class=gmail_quote2014-03-05 15:51 GMT-05:00 Dan Winheld span dir=ltrlt;a href=mailto:dwinh...@lmi.net; target=_blankdwinh...@lmi.net/agt;/span:br blockquote style=BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex class=gmail_quoteI#39;ll bet no manufacturer is thinking of backpacks for lutes. Haven#39;t seen one yet in REI, LL Bean, or Cabela#39;s.br Here#39;s what I use- It#39;s a top loading army duffle bag with two straps for carrying on one#39;s back. I dump the lute in it#39;s MTM case right in, the top clip just manages to close. The size I have tightly fits my tenor size 8 course Renaissance lute, but the next bigger size should work for a bass rider or 11 course Baroque lute. I position it so the pegbox faces back, and the flat part lies against my back. Great for taking the subway into town, and any schlepping on foot long distance in inclement weather to gigs that don#39;t pay enoughbr brDan.brbra href=http://www.chiefsupply.com/rothco-double-strap-g-i-style-duffle-bag-olive-drab.html?gclid=CL6D4Lig_LwCFbFaMgodPWwADw; target=_blankhttp://www.chiefsupply.com/u/urothco-double-strap-g-i-style-u/uduffle-bag-olive-drab.html?u/ugclid=CL6D4Lig_u/uLwCFbFaMgodPWwADw/a div class=HOEnZb div class=h5brbrOn 3/5/2014 11:56 AM, wayne cripps wrote:br blockquote style=BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex class=gmail_quoteI see guys carrying #39;cellos and guitars in backpacks - does anyone make a backpack for a baroque lute (in its case)?br br  WaynebrbrbrbrbrTo get on or off this list see list information atbra href=http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html; target=_blankhttp://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~u/uwbc/lute-admin/index.html/abr br/blockquotebrbr/div/div/blockquote/divbr --e89a8fb1f7fc15636704f3e260f0-- --
[LUTE] Re: backpacks for lutes?
-- Forwarded message -- From: Bruno Fournier br...@estavel.org Date: 2014-03-05 16:05 GMT-05:00 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: backpacks for lutes? To: Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net Cc: wayne cripps w...@cs.dartmouth.edu, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu I replied to Wayne directly, but I'll share what I replied: Bag luthiers, see link below, makes soft backpack cases for lutes and theorbos.. Hi Wayne, I have a backpack softcase for my arabic oud, used to be sold by Kalaf Ouds; http://www.oudstrings.com/index.php?route=product/productproduct_id=127 Hi again Wayne, there is also a company in Spain, they're on Facebook, they seem to make all kinds of bags for early instruments: http://www.bagluthiers.com/ I'm going to Spain this summer, I might pay them a visit. -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier www.estavel.org 2014-03-05 15:51 GMT-05:00 Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net: I'll bet no manufacturer is thinking of backpacks for lutes. Haven't seen one yet in REI, LL Bean, or Cabela's. Here's what I use- It's a top loading army duffle bag with two straps for carrying on one's back. I dump the lute in it's MTM case right in, the top clip just manages to close. The size I have tightly fits my tenor size 8 course Renaissance lute, but the next bigger size should work for a bass rider or 11 course Baroque lute. I position it so the pegbox faces back, and the flat part lies against my back. Great for taking the subway into town, and any schlepping on foot long distance in inclement weather to gigs that don't pay enough Dan. http://www.chiefsupply.com/rothco-double-strap-g-i-style-duffle-bag-olive-drab.html?gclid=CL6D4Lig_LwCFbFaMgodPWwADw On 3/5/2014 11:56 AM, wayne cripps wrote: I see guys carrying 'cellos and guitars in backpacks - does anyone make a backpack for a baroque lute (in its case)? Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] tiorbino
dear collective wisdom, I am thinking of stringing my Colin Everette small archlute as a tiorbino. As some of you might know, Colin built many renaissance lutes on the tiorbino model, with 13 or 14 courses but was stringing it as regular Renaissance tuning with the diapasons in the same tessitura as the bass strings of a renaissance., has there ever been a concensus on how the tiorbino was strung? pitch ? I seem to remember some discussion on this, whereas the first 3 courses where at standard renaissane pitch in A, and starting from 4th course down, the pitch was up an octave. thank you -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier www.estavel.org To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: making sure your message looks as you intended it -
test 123 à b c ç hello test , this is a test, à èè Bruno 2014-02-25 15:08 GMT-05:00 wayne cripps w...@cs.dartmouth.edu: I see test 123 then four a's with grave accents, c with cedilla,e repeated three times, then 6 c's with cedilla, and three e's with circumflex. This came to me directly, so it didn't go through the robot. W On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Bruno Fournier br...@estavel.org wrote: this is a test to see if I still get strange characters test 123 . çeçeçeççç êêê 2014-02-25 14:18 GMT-05:00 Wayne Cripps w...@cs.dartmouth.edu: Hi lute people - I recommend that when you compose a message to send to the lute list that you set the format to plain and avoid rich text and HTML. This will keep you from using formatting options that won't get past the mail list robot un-mangled. The lute list robot converts every message to plain text because there was a time, not long ago in lute builders time, when many of the readers could not interpret the fancier HTML coding that would appear in their mailbox, and they complained loudly about it. If it seems clear that now nobody is using a mail reader that doesn't understand HTML, I could start sending the mail on as HTML, which would allow people to use various fonts and colors in their messages. This would not be trivial for me to do, and some small number of messages would still come through garbled, but it is a possibility, if everyone on the list wanted things to work that way. I know a few people would be very excited to see HTML messages passed on in their original form, but I need to feel that everyone would prefer it. So let me know, one way or the other. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier www.estavel.org -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier www.estavel.org
[LUTE] Re: How to try gut strings.
Hello Herbert, A I have been using gut strings for the past 30 years on my lutes, although I do not use them for all strings, for various reasons.A A lot of it is trial and error unfortunately... A there area a lot of things to consider when using gut strings: string length ( space between bridge and nut), tuning, are you tuning in octaves starting at 4th course or unison throughout?, price..A A also my experience for short lutes is that 5th, 6th and 7th course are difficult to string in gut, as the string length is not long enough to use a string of less thanA 1mm in guauge.. and 1 mm in guauge is just too twangy plus it doesn't fit in your bridge..A A A also for chanterelles, use a nylon string and only put a gut string when you perform... cheaper..and less frustrating, othewise you will change strings often. A it is a misconception that you need to tune gut more often. As a matter of fact I find that if you need to change a string, a gut string will tune up to pitch and stay there much longer than a nylon string.A Gut strings react more to temperature changes and humidity changes however. A I use the following for my 8 course lute tune at A440 , 59 cm string length: A 1st: .45 mm 2nd: .50 mm 3rd; .60mm 4th: .70 or .76A cant' remember off hand..( in unison)A 5th: wound string ( or Savarez wound gut) + .50 for the octave 6th wound string ( or Savarez wound gut) + .70 for the octave 7th, wound string ( or Savarez wound gut) + .76 for the octave 8th, wound string ( or Savarez wound gut) + .80 for the octave A A the best is to order various guauges at first for your tests. Of course , easier said than done, since the price of gut strings is not exacly cheap...A I used to get my strings bulk from SOFRACOB in France, but they have gone out of businessA a few years go. A Ed Martin, would be a good resource to offer more advice, Dan Larson who makes the Gamut Gut strings, lives down the street from him and they have collaborated a great deal together. A Bruno A A A A 2014/1/14 Herbert Ward [1]wa...@physics.utexas.edu Can someone write up a list of things you need to know to try gut strings for the first time? I know gut strings need tuning more often. A And I know you need spare chanterelles and maybe also spare octaves for the fourth course. What is the max nut-to-bridge distance for gut strings at AA5? I have a 7-course Renaissance lute. A I guess all 13 strings should be gut? To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [3]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:wa...@physics.utexas.edu 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Checking a lute vs carry-on.
Hi, A I haven't travelled with my Renaissance lute inA a long time, and the old days I used to be able to take it as carry on luggage.A However, I have travelled to France as recently as 2 years ago with my Morrocan Oud in a well padded softcase, and had no issues for carry on, and the lute did fit in the overhead bin..A A I have however heard nightmare stories with instruments in heavy steel flight cases, which ended up broken nevertheless.A One friend literally saw the bagage handlers drop a viola da Gamba from the plane to the ground, and even though it was in a flight case, it ended up broken... the other solution is to buy another ticket for the lute... A A good luck A Bruno 2013/10/17 Herbert Ward [1]wa...@physics.utexas.edu This is regarding flying with a lute. Assuming that you have a good flight case, is it better to check your lute or take it as a carry-on item? When I look at the carry-on regulations, I see that the allowed size is much too small to accomodate a 63 cm lute. A And when I put my lute into an overhead bin, I'm quite liable to the charge of bin hog, especially dreadful when the plane is full. I did a carry-on a few months ago. A I had no problems. A But I'm always dreading a tap on the shoulder and someone saying, excuse me, but your carry-on item is too large. So, is it worthwhile to get a flight case and check the lute into the baggage handling system? A Or should I stick with carry-on? To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [3]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:wa...@physics.utexas.edu 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: [Le_luth] Cuba libre...
Hello, A Not sure this will arrive in text form, it seems Wayne's server doesnt recognize accents and HTML emails.A I tried from my phone and all you received was HTML code. A Anyway, this gentleman, Lino Messina on the French lutenet, is looking for a Theorbo to rent in Cuba, as he will be doing a series of concerts there. He would like to avoid travelling with his own theorbo. A anyone has a contact in Cuba? A Bruno Montreal, Quebec -- Message transfA(c)rA(c) -- DeA : Lino Messina II [1]linomess...@free.fr DateA : 3 septembre 2013 06:24 ObjetA : [Le_luth] Cuba libre... AA : [2]le_l...@yahoogroupes.fr A Bonjour A tous, Je dois me rendre A Cuba en Mars 2014 pour une sA(c)rie de concerts (j'accompagne un groupe de chanteurs en tournA(c)e). J'ai commencA(c) dA(c)jA A me prA(c)occuper du voyage en avion pour le thA(c)orbe et je me demande si ca serait possible de louer un instrument sur place. Avez vous une idA(c)e ou un contact pour A(c)valuer cette hypothAse avant de me rA(c)signer A faire voyager mon thA(c)orbe ? Bonne journA(c)e A tous Lino A __._,_.___ [3]RA(c)pondre A expA(c)diteur | [4]RA(c)pondre A groupe | [5]RA(c)pondre en mode Web | [6]Nouvelle discussion [7]Toute la discussion (2) ActivitA(c)s rA(c)centes: * [8]Nouveaux membres 1 [9]Aller sur votre groupe [10]Yahoo! Groupes Passer AA : [11]Texte seulement, [12]RAA(c)sumAA(c) du jour a-c- [13]DA(c)sinscription a-c- [14]Conditions d'utilisation . [] __,_._,___ -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [15]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:linomess...@free.fr 2. mailto:le_l...@yahoogroupes.fr 3. mailto:linomess...@free.fr?subject=Re%A0%3A%20Cuba%20libre%2E%2E%2E 4. mailto:le_l...@yahoogroupes.fr?subject=Re%A0%3A%20Cuba%20libre%2E%2E%2E 5. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyc2ozZmQ1BF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARtc2dJZAMxNTE0NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNzgyMDM4ODM-?act=replymessageNum145 6. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMWdvNzdtBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzgyMDM4ODM- 7. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/message/15144;_ylc=X3oDMTM3a2VldnVnBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARtc2dJZAMxNTE0NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzgyMDM4ODMEdHBjSWQDMTUxNDQ- 8. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnNGJrcHY5BF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzc4MjAzODgz?o=6 9. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth;_ylc=X3oDMTJmc2I5c3UxBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNzgyMDM4ODM- 10. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcTJicXNoBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY2BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM3ODIwMzg4Mw-- 11. mailto:le_luth-traditio...@yahoogroupes.fr?subject=Changer+le+format+:+Traditionnel 12. mailto:le_luth-dig...@yahoogroupes.fr?subject=Messages+du+groupe+:+R%C3%83%C3%82%C2%A9sum%C3%83%C3%82%C2%A9 13. mailto:le_luth-desabonnem...@yahoogroupes.fr?subject=D%C3%83%C2%A9sinscription 14. http://fr.docs.yahoo.com/info/utos.html 15. http://www.estavel.org/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness
Hello A on this subject , let me put my 2 cents worth.A The fact of the matter is that most people who go to these fairs, have no clue as to what the Renaissance, or medieval periods are all about. I have beenA performing at various venues for most of my adult life, and by far, the worse ones are Renaissance or medieval fairs, to the point that I categorically refuse any gig that have to do with reconstruction of that period, whether it by a wedding in period costumes or an actual fair or banquet.A my experience is mostly medieval, where I find that all people are interested in, is recreating the barbarian aspect or fantasy aspect ( dragons , merlin andA King Arthur, A etc..) of the medieval period, while putting celtic music performed by Loreena McKennitt ( incidentally I love what Loreena does..) and ensuring they have no underwear under their scottish kilts, with war paint on their face...A and then of course, you also get the oddball disguised as a musketeer in a medieval banquet...A A all they want is wild entertainement with jugglers, etc, nothing to do with the Cantigas de Santa Maria, or music by Thibault de Champagne, or any of the notable troubadours or trouveres of the period... A I have given up long ago on trying to make people understand this period. I play for the sake of the music, hoping that some people will understand that the period is more than just wild barbaric times and will never make any decent income in that fashion, but I refuse to pimp myself in silly costumes for a lousy 100$.A A regards A Bruno Cognyl-fournier [1]www.estavel.org A 2013/8/9 Nancy Carlin [2]na...@nancycarlinassociates.com I agree, Nancy Excellent points, all. Eugene -Original Message- From: [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of [5]t...@heartistrymusic.com Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 2:43 PM To: Braig, Eugene; [6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Christopher Wilke Subject: [LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness A A Yes - unfortunately, Renaissance Faires have been rife with guys in running shoes and a smock playing Stan Rogers songs on Guild guitars. A A But this does not mean that things can't change. A A My son worked Ren Faires for awhile, and there was quite a lot of interest amongst the participants in Paul Odette's CDs. A I think the Ren Faire folks would actually love to have some real lute players, but Ren Faires don't pay anything. A Most entertainers who work them make their income selling CDs and DVDs. A A Back to the part about interest: the interest is there. A I'm not suggesting that anybody on this list would want to try playing at a Ren Faire. A I AM suggesting that there are potential audience members and recorded music consumers in this crowd. A A Personally, it doesn't matter to me if my audience members like to hurl large weapons at each other in their spare time, as long as they aren't hurling them at me. A I would rather have a large audience full of prople who simply think that what I do is cool, than to have a miniscule audience of highly opinionated academics waiting to pounce on my first mistake and tear me apart in a bad review. A A Riverdance brought attention to Celtic music. A And many celtic bands capitalized on riding that wave of success. A A O Brother Where Art Thou brought attention to Appalachian Traditional music, and ultimately resulted in success for musicians like Alison Krauss, who, even though they are great musicians, might be unheard of today if not for that movie. A A Similarly, those who love movies like Robin Hood and Lord of the Rings, or Sting's Dowland project, I think, are potential audience for lute recordings and concerts. A How to get the word out to them that these recordings and concerts exist is an issue. A Also, how to make an Early Music concert an occasion that's not dry, pedantic and stuffy might be another issue. A A One VERY good way of increasing awareness is school outreach. A Any time you are performing in a community see if the presenters can partner with the school system. A Kids will be impressed by the instruments, and it will leave a good lasting impression. A I was able to get Jacques Ogg and members of Lyra Baroque into our elementary school. A How cool is that! A A Tom A A A A I must extend my sincerest thanks to ye olde SCA. I once went to a A A Renaissance Faire with a fellow modern musician (it was his A A suggestion). He said, I'll bet you're happy. This is one place A A you'll see plenty of lutes in action. I wagered him a very hefty A A sum that we would not see or hear
[LUTE] Re: Lute in North America?
Hi Brad, A Robert Derome from University of Quebec has done quiteA a bit of research on the lute in New France ( Quebec) in the 17th century.A you might want to contact him.A I don't know if he's on this list. A Here is the webiste on Lute in New France: A sorry its in French. A [1]http://www.er.uqam.ca/nobel/r14310/Luth/Frontispice.html A I believe that the Sieur De Maisonneuve played lute.A Also the Sieur Duluth, who was a french soldier and explorer, is accounted to have played lute, hence his surname.A His name would have been given to Duluth Minnesota... maybe Ed Martin can comment on that.. A [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Greysolon,_Sieur_du_Lhut A A Bruno from Montreal A A 2013/6/19 Brad Walton [3]gtung.wal...@utoronto.ca Hello lute folks! Does anyone know of any records -- references in literature, letters, diaries, whatever, or depictions in paintings or prints -- of lutes being played in North America during the 17th and/or 18th centuries? Thanks, Brad To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [5]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. http://www.er.uqam.ca/nobel/r14310/Luth/Frontispice.html 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Greysolon,_Sieur_du_Lhut 3. mailto:gtung.wal...@utoronto.ca 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Summary intavolations 29
Anton, A This is fantastic what you are doing, I wish I had the time to go through all of the stuff you have posted.A Have you thought of doing some late medieval pieces too? it would be interesting. A Bruno 2013/5/31 Anton HAP:ger [1]diwa-animat...@t-online.de hi, there are some new very worth playing Madrgali Appenzeller, Benediktus Je ne scay pas A 2 Altos 2 Lutes A A A [2]http://imslp.org/wiki/Je_ne_scay_pas_(Appenzeller,_Benedictus)#IM SLP278484 Aichinger, Gregor A A A O sacrum convivium A A A 2 Sopranos, Tenor 2 Lutes A A [3]http://imslp.org/wiki/O_sacrum_convivium_(Aichinger,_Gregor) Balbi, Ludovico Laetabitur deserta et invia A A 2 Sopranos, Bass 2 Lutes A A A [4]http://imslp.org/wiki/Laetabitur_deserta_et_invia_(Balbi,_Ludov ico) Banchieri, Adriano A A A Li Amanti cantano una Canzonetta A A A A Sopran, Tenor 2 Lutes [5]http://imslp.org/wiki/Li_Amanti_cantano_una_Canzonetta_(Banchieri ,_Adriano)#IMSLP280219 Bertulosi, Vincenzo A A Osculetur me osculo A A 3 Sopranos 2 Lutes A A [6]http://imslp.org/wiki/Osculetur_me_osculo_(Bertulosi,_Vincenzo) #IMSLP279803 Buel, Christoph Expurgate vetus fermentus A A A 2 Sopranos 2 Lutes A A [7]http://imslp.org/wiki/Expurgate_vetus_fermentus_(Buel,_Christop h)#IMSLP279432 Byrd, William A If Women Could be Fair A Sopran 2 Lutes A A A A [8]http://imslp.org/wiki/If_Women_Could_be_Fair_(Byrd,_William) Byrd, William A I Joy Not in no Earthly Bliss A Sopran 2 Lutes A A A A [9]http://imslp.org/wiki/I_Joy_Not_in_no_Earthly_Bliss_(Byrd,_Will iam) Byrd, William A Though Amaryllis Dance in Green Sopran 2 Lutes A A A A [10]http://imslp.org/wiki/Though_Amaryllis_Dance_in_Green_(Byrd,_W illiam) Byrd, William A In Fields Abroad A A A A Sopran 2 Lutes A A A A [11]http://imslp.org/wiki/In_Fields_Abroad_(Byrd,_William) Dalla Casa, Girolamo A A Se'l dolce bacio A A A A 2 Sopranos 2 Lutes A A [12]http://imslp.org/wiki/Secondo_libro_A _5_..._con_i_passaggi_(D alla_Casa,_Girolamo)#IMSLP280924 Del Mel, Rinaldo A A A A Felice primavera A A A A 2 Sopranos 2 Lutes A A [13]http://imslp.org/wiki/Madrigals_for_6_voices,_Book_2_(Mel,_Rin aldo_del)#IMSLP280884 Del Mel, Rinaldo A A A A O bella etA dell'oro A A 2 Sopranos 2 Lutes A A [14]http://imslp.org/wiki/O_bella_etA _dell'oro_(Mel,_Rinaldo_del) Felis, Stefano A Voi sete bella ma sdegnosa A A A 2 Sopranos 2 Lutes A A [15]http://imslp.org/wiki/Voi_sete_bella_ma_sdegnosa_(Felis,_Stefa no)#IMSLP278832 Ferretti, Giovanni A A A 18. Mettetevi in battaglia A A A Sopran, Alt 2 Lutes A [16]http://imslp.org/wiki/Mettetevi_in_battaglia_(Ferretti,_Giovanni )#IMSLP282979 Gastoldi, Giovanni Giacomo A A A Danzavan liet' al suon della sampogna A 2 Sopranos 2 Lutes A A [17]http://imslp.org/wiki/Danzavan_liet'_al_suon_della_sampogna_(G astoldi,_Giovanni_Giacomo)#IMSLP279240 Giovannelli, Ruggiero A Se da tuoi lacci sciolti A A A A 2 Sopranos 2 Lutes A A [18]http://imslp.org/wiki/Se_da_tuoi_lacci_sciolti_(Giovannelli,_R uggiero)#IMSLP282966 Guerini, Pietro Francesco A A A Baciai per aver vita A A 2 Sopranos 2 Lutes A A [19]http://imslp.org/wiki/Baciai_per_aver_vita_(Guerini,_Pietro_Fr ancesco)#IMSLP280541 Lazzaroni, F. A Sedea fra gigli e rose A 2 Sopranos 2 Lutes A A [20]http://imslp.org/wiki/Sedea_fra_gigli_e_rose_(Lazzaroni,_F)#IM SLP281153 Leoni, Leone A A Dimmi Clori gentil A A A 2 Sopranos 2 Lutes A A [21]http://imslp.org/wiki/Dimmi_Clori_gentil_perchA_non_ami_(Leon i,_Leone) Manenti, Giovanni Piero Vientene Filli A 2 Sopranos 2 Lutes A A [22]http://imslp.org/wiki/Vientene_Filli_(Manenti,_Giovanni_Piero) #IMSLP273092 Massaino, Tiburzio A A A Mentre vaga Angioletta (prima parte) A A 2 Sopranos 2 Lutes A A [23]http://imslp.org/wiki/Mentre_vaga_Angioletta_(prima_parte)_(Ma ssaino,_Tiburtio)#IMSLP281417 Massaino, Tiburzio A A A Tempra d'arguto suon (seconda parte) A A 2 Sopranos 2 Lutes A A [24]http://imslp.org/wiki/Tempra_d'arguto_suon_(seconda_parte)_(Ma ssaino,_Tiburtio)#IMSLP281334 Molinaro, Simone A A A A Porgetemi la lira A A A 2 Sopranos 2 Lutes A A [25]http://imslp.org/wiki/Porgetemi_la_lira_(Molinaro,_Simone) Naich, Ubert A A De moins riens prima parte A A A 2 Sopranos 2 Lutes A A [26]http://imslp.org/wiki/De_moins_riens_(Naich,_Hubert) Naich, Ubert A A De moins riens secondo parte A A 2 Sopranos 2 Lutes A A [27]http://imslp.org/wiki/De_moins_riens_(Naich,_Hubert) Pacelli, Asprilio A A A In caelestibus regnis A 2 Sopranos 2 Lutes A A
[LUTE] message for Alain Veylit
Bonjour Alain A il me semblait avoir un login pour ton site mais il semblerait que non.. que doit on faire pour s'inscrire?? A [1]http://musickshandmade.com/lute/ -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [2]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. http://musickshandmade.com/lute/ 2. http://www.estavel.org/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lutes for theatre?
I believe Dan Larson built two medieval lutes to be used on stage... maybe I'm wrong.. A Bruno On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Steve Ramey [1]stevera...@sbcglobal.net wrote: A A Wayne, A A I loaned my early Paki lute to a local theater company a few years A A back. A I sort of knew the fellow who would use it (an accomplished A A clarinetist) and didn't really fear for its well being. A Not that I A A particularly feared for it anyway. A I secured it by holding his check A A for a few hundred dollars, which I returned to him when he brought the A A lute back. A I've since sold the lute. A A Steve A A A __ A A From: wayne cripps [2]w...@cs.dartmouth.edu A A To: [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu A A Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 7:18 AM A A Subject: [LUTE] lutes for theatre? A A Hi - A A I regularly get requests from theatre people to rent a lute for a A A play. A Are there regular theatre rental companies who would have prop A A lutes that a theatre company could rent? A Something tough that looks A A like a lute to the audience? A It seems like there must be a market for A A such a thing. A A A Wayne A A To get on or off this list see list information at A A [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A A -- -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [6]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:stevera...@sbcglobal.net 2. mailto:w...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Lute/guitar arrangements of Cantigas
I don't believe I've ever seen lute arrangements of the Cantigas. Being that they are monophonic, and all in either D, of F modes.they are really easy to read single line without reverting to tablature.A They all fit nicely on the first 4 courses of the lute. A I have the entire manuscript and transcriptions by musicologist Higinie Angles, in PDF format, which I believe is the first and only true scholarly transcription for the cantigas, and still a reference point for anyone wanting to perform the Cantigas.A A If you are interested, please contact me off the list A Bruno On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:57 AM, [1]bobow...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know of any existing arrangements for the lute and/or guitar of the Cantigas De Santa Maria or a collection of them? A Thanks on advance for your help. A Bruce To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [3]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:bobow...@gmail.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Oud as Lute?
Hello A As an Oud player as well as a renaissance lute player, I would not recommend buying an Oud to play renaissance music.A It will sound awful even if you putA frets, andA you won't be able to tune it up to G ( OudsA first strings are ususally no higher than D or CA -- equivalent to second string Guitar 1st or 3rd fret)A A and you will not be able to play any of the tablature that involves anything more than single line melody. A Keep the Oud to play some medieval spanish music, Cantigas de Santa Maria, sounds great on that, or learn Arabic music.A A good approach for our western ears to Oud, is to play Sephardic jewsish music or Algerian and Moroccan Andalucian music ( no quarter tones in those styles). Anyway without frets and your western ear, you will find yourself constantly adjusting your fingers on the neck to be in pitch ( unless you are really used to hearing quarter tones...) A If you can't afford a lute, stick with a guitar tuned and a capo on third fret. will sound much better than on an Oud, we all went though this and its is well worth the wait to buy a real lute, than to play on instruments that have been modified to resemble a lute. A Bruno [1]www.estavel.org On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Christopher Wilke [2]chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: A A Josh, A A A A You could re-sting an oud, put frets on it, and tune it as a A A pseudo-lute. I assume by lute you mean a six-course renaissance A A instrument, but there are some major drawbacks that would make it an A A impractical stand in for this. The neck is much shorter, which means A A that you won't be able to play the upper register of pieces that A A require this unless you fret a lot of (fretless) notes on the body. In A A Arabic music the oud is almost entirely used to play single line A A melodies, so the courses are closer together, which would make it A A difficult to play chords. Also, most ouds, being constructed to be A A played with a plectrum, are far more heavily built than lutes, which A A means that you won't get much benefit out of playing with period right A A hand technique. A A A A Certainly purchase the oud if you like it as an oud. It's a fun A A instrument all on it's own. Considering all the compromises needed to A A make an oud act like a lute, however, I would say a much better A A alternative is to just use a guitar if you can't afford a true lute. A A Chris A A Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. A A Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer A A [3]www.christopherwilke.com A A A __ A A From: Joshua Horn [4]joshua-h...@att.net A A To: Lute Mailing List [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu A A Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:58 PM A A Subject: [LUTE] Oud as Lute? A A A A Hi ya'll, A A A I have an Oud that's come my way that I can afford to buy. Can an Oud A A A be made to play as a Lute?? Is there any major differences that would A A A make it impossible to play as a Lute? A A A Josh A A A + Joshua Edward Horn + A A A -- A A To get on or off this list see list information at A A [1][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A A -- References A A 1. [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [8]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. http://www.estavel.org/ 2. mailto:chriswi...@yahoo.com 3. http://www.christopherwilke.com/ 4. mailto:joshua-h...@att.net 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Mechanical Pegs
and where can those pegs be bought? Being from the old school,with lutes built in 1980, I haven't always followed up on the lates innovations... A Bruno On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Miles Dempster [1]miles.demps...@gmail.com wrote: ..now, if somebody could double the length of my left arm, it might be possible to tune my theorbo diapasons on the fly! On 2012-08-17, at 1:23 AM, Edward Martin wrote: OK, Nancy asked me to jump in, so I will. The first experience with these pegheds was on Dan Winheld's 8-course lute. A I really liked them, a lot. Then, about a year ago, I took my first plunge with these gears (pegheds). A I had them installed on my 6-course vihuela, and they immediately solved many, many problems. A First off, baroque guitars and vihuelas (probably renaissance guitars) A have problems, in that the traditional peg goes through only one hole, as opposed to two holes for a lute. A Therefore, the vihuela has a greater tendency to slip. A The pegheds remedied this problem, and I later decided, last early spring, to have them installed on my 11-course lute. A My 11-course baroque lute partner, Tom Walker, also has a lute that is an exact match to mine, and he also has pegheds. A So, I have experience with 4 instruments in pegheds, (very limited with Dan Winheld's 8-course, however). A It improved my 11-course instrument dramatically, with better tuning. A This is especially important when using gut, and all these instruments are entirely strung in gut. By the way, Tom'sa lute was just 5 days old (!!) when he received it, and we had a concert that night. A The hall filled with people, and the heat and humidity went up. A The gut strings were so stable with pegheds, that we had NO TUNING for the entire concert, with exception of tuning diapasons to a different key!! A That in itself is remarkable. Plainly put, I love them. A They are unbelievably smooth, as in a very expensive guitar machine. A They are adjustable in tension - as with a traditional peg, push them in and they will be tighter, pull them out, and looser. A Whether in a tight or loose setting, they are smooth. A They never slip, never stick. A This summer, with all the humidity, I had no problems with stuck or slipping pegs they stay, it pitch, where you put them. A Speaking of tuning, they are geared at 25% as compared to a peg. A For example, if one wanted to tune a half step sharp, one turns the gear 4 times further than when using a traditional A peg. A That makes for much more accurate tuning, as they will not skip too sharp, as compared to a traditional peg. A I find myself tuning more, but very much faster than before, and yes, I tune sometimes while playing. A Tuning with pegheds is actually a joy now, as I can tune more accurately, and much faster. A No more sore fingers trying to turn stick pegs!! We all know what it is like to adjust to a certain pitch... we play around, get it where we want, let go, and it slips with traditional pegs! A Now, I have trust, so I can quickly adjust, without fear of slipping; A yes, I can no adjust tuning on the fly while playing. As for weight, Dan Larson has on his web site, comparisons of the weights of pegs vs. pegheds. A Different types of wood make different weights in pegs. A Pegheds are , if my memory serves me correctly, just 2 grams more, or so. A I cannot distinguish any difference in the weight of the neck or instrument, and the pegheds made, in my opinion, no difference whatsoever in sound, other than sounding better because I can now tune more accurately, therefore sounding better. A No, the 11-course lute does have any perception to added weight. There are 2 drawbacks: 1. When changing a string, because the pegheds do not slip, one has to un-wind the peghed to get the old string out. A This is not a problem, as the added time (perhaps 7-8 seconds) lost is nothing, compared to the time saved in fast and accurate tuning. 2. A For those that only want authenticity, pegheds were not used in old times. A Neither was nylgut, nylon, carbon, or perhaps wound strings for that matter! A Many people who saw them on my lute this summer were fooled, into thinking they were ebony (they are not). Thanks for asking..I would put them on all my instruments, if I could afford to do so. At 12:45 PM 8/16/2012, Ken Brodkey wrote: Has anyone tried the mechanical pegs made by Pegheds? I have a customer who is interested in replacing his traditional pegs with these. Any comments are much appreciated. Thanks. Ken To get on or off this list see list information at
[LUTE] Re: [Le_luth] Belle qui tient ma vie, pavanne thoinaut Arbeanau
Bonjour, A Merci A tous, avec les 4 versions que j'ai reAS:uA je vais pouvoir m'en tirer.A A thank you all , with the 4 versions I received, I think I'll be OK.A A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Montreal On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 6:24 AM, roger traversac [1]travers.luc...@wanadoo.fr wrote: A Hello, Bruno, Please find herewith an internet version . I have other ones... Hoping it fits well ... Best wishes, Roger Encl. 1 __._,_.___ [2]RA(c)pondre A expA(c)diteur | [3]RA(c)pondre A groupe | [4]RA(c)pondre en mode Web | [5]Nouvelle discussion [6]Toute la discussion (2) ActivitA(c)s rA(c)centes: [7]Aller sur votre groupe [8]Yahoo! Groupes Passer A fA : [9]Texte seulement, [10]RA fA(c)sumA fA(c) du jour aEUR-c- [11]DA(c)sinscription aEUR-c- [12]Conditions d'utilisation . [] __,_._,___ Le 2 aoAt 12 A 03:17, Bruno Fournier a A(c)crit : Hello Anyone has an intabulation of Belle qui tient ma vie pavan? I need for a gig in 2 days... last minute request. quelqu'un aurait une tablature de Belle qui tien ma vie, j'en ai besoin pour concert dans 2 jours, demandA(c) A la derniAre minute.. merci -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier [13]www.estavel.org RA(c)pondre A expA(c)diteur | RA(c)pondre A groupe | RA(c)pondre en mode Web | Nouvelle discussion Toute la discussion (1) ActivitA(c)s rA(c)centes: Aller sur votre groupe Passer A f : Texte seulement, RA fA(c)sumA fA(c) du jour aEUR-c- DA(c)sinscription aEUR-c- Conditions d'utilisation . -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [14]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:travers.luc...@wanadoo.fr 2. mailto:travers.luc...@wanadoo.fr?subject=Re%A0%3A%20Re%3A%20%5BLe_luth%5D%20Belle%20qui%20tient%20ma%20vie%2C%20pavanne%20thoinaut%20Arbeanau 3. mailto:le_l...@yahoogroupes.fr?subject=Re%A0%3A%20Re%3A%20%5BLe_luth%5D%20Belle%20qui%20tient%20ma%20vie%2C%20pavanne%20thoinaut%20Arbeanau 4. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyMmZrcWt0BF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARtc2dJZAMxNDQ2MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNDM5MDMwNzc-?act=replymessageNum463 5. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcWprcHRjBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNDM5MDMwNzc- 6. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/message/14462;_ylc=X3oDMTM3ZG00Zm80BF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARtc2dJZAMxNDQ2MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNDM5MDMwNzcEdHBjSWQDMTQ0NjI- 7. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcDEyNWk5BF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNDM5MDMwNzc- 8. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcTV0YXRhBF9TAzk3NDkwNDY4BGdycElkAzE2MTg5MzE0BGdycHNwSWQDMjEyMzgwMTYxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM0MzkwMzA3Nw-- 9. mailto:le_luth-traditio...@yahoogroupes.fr?subject=Changer+le+format+:+Traditionnel 10. mailto:le_luth-dig...@yahoogroupes.fr?subject=Messages+du+groupe+:+R%C3%83%C6%92%C3%82%C2%A9sum%C3%83%C6%92%C3%82%C2%A9 11. mailto:le_luth-desabonnem...@yahoogroupes.fr?subject=D%C3%83%C2%A9sinscription 12. http://fr.docs.yahoo.com/info/utos.html 13. http://www.estavel.org/ 14. http://www.estavel.org/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Belle qui tient ma vie, pavanne thoinaut Arbeanau
Hello A Anyone has an intabulation of Belle qui tient ma vie pavan? I need for a gig in 2 days... last minute request. A quelqu'un aurait une tablature de Belle qui tien ma vie, j'en ai besoin pour concert dans 2 jours, demandA(c) A la derniAre minute.. A A merci -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [1]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. http://www.estavel.org/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My First Lute
I would suggest you try and rent one from a local lutenist, or perhaps check with the university music faculty if there would be one available on loan. A regards A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Montreal Canada A A On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:32 PM, William Samson [1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: A A A difficult one, Jim. A Most lutes are built to order for a customer - A A unfortunate because the customer doesn't get a chance to try it before A A committing to buy it! A A There are, however, some off-the-peg lutes available. A Closest to your A A price range are the lutes built (in Pakistan??) for the Early Music A A Shop in England A A [1][2]http://www.earlymusicshop.com/product.aspx/en-GB/1000655-ems -8-cours A A e-renaissance-lute A I have recently seen and tried one of these and A A found it to play very well. A I don't know if similar lutes are A A available in the US but would be surprised if they aren't. A A The other possibility is the second-hand market, but you're in the lap A A of the gods, there. A A Good luck in your quest! A A Bill A A From: Jim Ammeson [3]jimastr...@yahoo.com A A To: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu A A Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012, 17:31 A A Subject: [LUTE] My First Lute A A A So, I've been considering buying a lute for a few years now, but I've A A A had trouble finding places I can really try playing one or many A A people A A A I can talk to about them. A (Lutes are a bit of a niche thing, I A A know.) A A A A lutenist at the local renaissance faire suggested this list, so I A A A thought I'd post. A A A So, I'll just explain my situation, right now: A A A I've been playing classical guitar for about 5 years. A I play lots of A A A baroque and renaissance music, love the stuff. A I'd really like to A A try A A A playing a lute or two before deciding if I want to make the A A investment A A A in buying one. A As of right now, I don't have much over $500 to spend A A A (I know that's not probably enough for one that's really worth A A having, A A A unless I get a good price on a used one or something), but I'm A A A *willing* to spend more, just don't have it *now*. A (I'm a college A A A student, nuff said?) A A A I live in the Chicago area, and have asked around if there's anyplace A A A in the area whatsoever that makes lutes, and have tried looking A A online, A A A but haven't found anything. A I've asked around at renaissance faires, A A A as well, and, again, just was directed here by one lutenist. A A A So, any advice as to what a beginning lutenist should do? A Where to A A go A A A to try a lute for the first time and see if it is really something A A for A A A him? A I've been thinking an 8 course lute would be good for the A A pieces A A A I play to play...Bach and Dowland and the like? A Any general advice A A is A A A also appreciated. A A A -Jim A A A -- A A To get on or off this list see list information at A A [2][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A A -- References A A 1. [7]http://www.earlymusicshop.com/product.aspx/en-GB/1000655-ems-8-co urse-renaissance-lute A A 2. [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [9]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:willsam...@yahoo.co.uk 2. http://www.earlymusicshop.com/product.aspx/en-GB/1000655-ems-8-cours 3. mailto:jimastr...@yahoo.com 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. http://www.earlymusicshop.com/product.aspx/en-GB/1000655-ems-8-course-renaissance-lute 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Lute Ensemble
Anton, A I think the work you do is marvelous and a great teaching tool.A Too much music in this world and not enough time to assimilate it all.A With your intabulations it allows players of different levels to play together. A BTW, have you ever thought of doing intabulations of medieval music.A I have done some on occasion for the purpose of playing with other lute players.A They can be quite challenging as well. A please continue to upate us. A Bruno Montreal Canada [1]www.estavel.org A On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Taco Walstra [2]wals...@science.uva.nl wrote: On 07/23/2012 05:04 PM, Anton HAP:ger wrote: Ok, I wrote that IMSLP always check the uploads and need A at least one day. Because I often make a transcription for guitar too, it seems that IMSLP cannot handle with the same file name. But sorry if you feel that my more hundreds of Intavolations for 2-4 lutes in any tunings are to much, anton, I didn't write that I don't like your intavolations or guitar arrangements. Please don't be so quickly offended by what I wrote and please do continue your work. I only asked what the purpose is of sending emails for every addition or minor change to a piece, while there are so many better alternatives for getting the attention of your efforts like a webpage with a latest additions page, a rss xml feed, twitter or simply a separate mailing list. It's just an idea, not a critic on what you do. Taco I will not upload any more Intavolations. My work was thought for the luteplayers in any level. Not everybody can play the English Treble Ground duets or the very complicated Terzi duos or some else. If I look at mediafire, where I first uploaded my Intavolations, there are more than 15000 downloads! So I dont understand your opinion about solo lute players. May be,- but thats one of my reasons I do the Intavolations! I was 10 years teacher for classical guitar and later 15 years for the Renaissance lute. And my experience with all the hundreds of pupils was that they could benefit a lot of ensemble playing. Rhythme, Hearing, Playing prima vista, and a lot more. But a crucial effect is the sound effect of more lutes in an ensemble. Because of the less technical demand the lute players in an Ensemble has an overwelming soundeffect. But I dont want to defend my work. So if you feel so, I dont will upload any more Intavolations. I think my announcements are not too much, when I have a look at some gibberish you can find here. (More than one has complained this!) But ok, why should I make any uploads more? So all lute players who has downloaded my work, will give thanks to you! Anton To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [4]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. http://www.estavel.org/ 2. mailto:wals...@science.uva.nl 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Re-tuning the diapason of a 7c
Hello A If you haven't yet ordered a lute, I would consider an 8 course, which in my opinion is more versatile.A It even allows you to cheat and play 10 course music...A A Bruno On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Braig, Eugene [1]brai...@osu.edu wrote: It's beginning to sound like an 8-course might actually better suit your needs. A While short lived in period, they seem pretty ubiquitous today. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Joshua Burkholder Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:40 AM To: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re-tuning the diapason of a 7c Dear lute-listers, A question from a beginner: First to introduce myself, my name is Joshua and I've been playing the lute for several months now; I have been on the list for a couple weeks and am really enjoying following your discussions. I have a rental 7-course and I am now in the process of taking the plunge and buying a lute of my own. After much reading, pondering and agonizing over the best number of courses to start with, I've come to the conclusion that a 7-course best suits my needs. So onto to my question: I know that some people re-tune the 7th course from D to F as needed, but on my rental lute this seems quite impossible. The diapason is stung to F and if I drop it down to D it becomes far too wobbly and flabby. From this I assume that if I were to restring it to D, which I'd prefer on the whole, it would likewise be impossible to raise it to F. Currently the lute is strung with Pyramid strings so the basses are metal wound. Is it only possible to change from D to F on the same string if one uses gut strings (Poulton remarks to this effect in her tutor that if it's strung to be tuned at D it will only be possible to raise it to F if gut strings are used)? Otherwise I have to re-string? Or does someone use some other stringing solution, besides just keeping it D and fingering the third fret for F (or buying an 8-course lute...)? I've read enough about stringing lutes to understand that it will be a while before I understand anything about stringing lutes... Thank you for taking the time to help out a newcomer. Best wishes, Joshua To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [6]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:brai...@osu.edu 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Nylgut Oud strings
Hi, A I'm interested in trying out Mimmo's Nylgut Oud strings on my Moroccan Oud.A Anyone has experience with them? I note that like all Oud string sets, the 3 rd string is wound.A I personally prefer a non-wound string on the 3rd course.A I currently use gut on my first 3 courses, any recommendation for Nylgut? A thx -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [1]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. http://www.estavel.org/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Fwd:looking for lute to buy or rent
Hello fellow lutenetters, A a gentleman from Boston area contacted me to rent or buy a lute.A I personally have nothing available for him.A Anyone in the Boston area able to help out this person? A see message below A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A A -- Forwarded message -- From: [1]jonah...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 3:02 PM Subject: Lute question To: [2]br...@estavel.org [3]br...@estavel.org Hi Bruno, My friend Daniel Thonon gave me your info and suggested emailing you. I am looking for an 8-10 course lute to buy or rent. Do you have any suggestions? I live in the Boston area. Jonah McKenna Moss -- References 1. mailto:jonah...@gmail.com 2. mailto:br...@estavel.org 3. mailto:br...@estavel.org To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Alcohol as glue breaker.
Have always used wet heat. A wouldn't regluing after be a problem? as there might be remnants of the alcohol preventing the glue from binding properly? A Bruno A A On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:06 PM, William Samson [1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: A I use alcohol - I learned the trick on a course I did in piano repair. A Very effective! A The downside is that it could hurt the finish - A especially if it's a French polish. A Ordinary methylated spirit works A just fine. A Bill A From: Herbert Ward [2]wa...@physics.utexas.edu A To: [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu A Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2012, 16:31 A Subject: [LUTE] Alcohol as glue breaker. A I asked a luthier how he broke the glue joint in doing A a repair. A I expected to hear a description of some A variation of wet heat. A To my surprise, he said that he used anhydrous ethyl A alcohol (eg, 190 proof Everclear liquor). A He said that the alcohol drawa all the water out of the A glue, and that perfectly dry glue has no strength and A comes apart easily. A Does anyone else use alcohol? A Why do some luthiers use A alcohol and others use wet heat? A To get on or off this list see list information at A [1][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A -- References A 1. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [6]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:willsam...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:wa...@physics.utexas.edu 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: guitar to lute conversion: string advice
Frankly I don't see the point of the exercise.A Simply to get double strings and learn lute technique?A A Bruno On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 6:33 AM, David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your answer, Eugene, but what my friend has in mind is a 6-course lute setup on a guitar with 11-pegs: first single, 5 double strings. David On 15 December 2011 08:52, Eugene Kurenko [2]eugene.kure...@gmail.com wrote: A Hi David! A Well I had similar experience couple years ago. A Fishing line 0,6 mm on first string, then strings 1-5 from guitar set A so we have 6 courses. And then I had to use again 5th guitar string on A F and then four 6th guitar strings on other basses. So we have 11 A single courses. It works well on 650mm guitar exerpt the lowest notes, A they'll be quite dull. A Hope this can help to your friend. A Good luck! A 2011/12/15 David van Ooijen [1][3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com A A A friend of mine managed to put 11 tuning pegs in the head of her A A classical guitar. Now she wants advide on stringing it like a A A Renaissance lute. Before I ship her a set of what-I-think-might-work A A strings, is there anybody out there who did the same thing and has A A some experiences to share? A A David A A -- A A *** A A David van Ooijen A A [2][4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com A A [3][5]www.davidvanooijen.nl A A *** A A To get on or off this list see list information at A A [4][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A -- References A 1. mailto:[7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com A 2. mailto:[8]davidvanooi...@gmail.com A 3. [9]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ A 4. [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [11]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [12]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [13]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:eugene.kure...@gmail.com 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 8. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 9. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 11. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 12. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 13. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] who is this guy?
A anyone ever met this guy? A [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3qGxpT5rug A A -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [2]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3qGxpT5rug 2. http://www.estavel.org/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute end pin
It would normally have an end cap. For my own lute, I drilled a hole and inserted an acousticA guitar pin ( the ones that hold the strings onto the bridge ) A Bruno On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, William Samson [1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: A Hi Ned, A Yes - End pins are good. A Normally a lute bowl is built with an end cap on the outside - so the A end cap plus rib behind it is probably the best part of 3mm thick. A In A addition, though, there usually a similar piece of wood glued INSIDE A the ribs, so assuming that's of the same thickness as the rib material, A you should have 4 or 5 mm of thickness. A The good thing is that the rib A grain and that of the end cap and liner are at right angles to each A other - like plywood - so there's not much likelihood of splitting it A by accident. A Have you any way of contacting the maker? A If so - ask him or her. A I normally drill an undersized hole for the pin and then ream it out A gradually until I get a good friction fit for it. A Hope that helps. A Bill A From: Edward Mast [2]nedma...@aol.com A To: Lutelist Net [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu A Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011, 21:14 A Subject: [LUTE] Lute end pin A A A I wonder if anyone could advise on installing an end pin on a lute A without one. A One of my 8 c instruments came missing the end pin, but A with a hole where one obviously was. A Using wood from the handle of a A small oil painting brush, I was able to fashion an end pin that has A worked very well being held in by friction only. A A second 8 c A instrument was built without an end pin, and I would like to install A one. A I will have to drill a hole. A My concern is that this instrument A is of extremely light construction and I don't know if the thickness at A the bottom of the bowl will hold a pin either by friction, or if A there's thickness enough to hold a glue joint. A A A Any suggestions would be appreciated. A Ned A To get on or off this list see list information at A [1][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A -- References A 1. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [6]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:willsam...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:nedma...@aol.com 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Le Roy Dentice and Octave stringing
I personally like the sound of octaves starting on the 5th course and going down.A I have always found the 4th in octaves to be difficult at tuning.A On my soprano lute 6 course however, I use unisons. A Bruno On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Anthony Hind [1]agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote: A You are right of course, A and I do have unissons on the fourth and A fifth, but octaves beginning on the 6th. A I wasn't thinking straight, but vaguely remembering that someone jumped A to the conclusion that because I A had unissons on the fifth I also had them on the sixth, which of course A is not at all the same thing. Appologies, Miles and Matthias, for A my half-awake state, in spite of the late hour. A Regards A Anthony A A __ A De : Miles Dempster [2]miles.demps...@gmail.com A A : Lute List [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu A Envoye le : Vendredi 25 Novembre 2011 14h43 A Objet : [LUTE] Re: Le Roy Dentice and Octave stringing A My understanding is that, generally speaking, the purpose of the octave A is to brighten up a course which would otherwise sound too muddy. A Since 'muddiness' increases with string thickness, if the 5th course A doesn't need an octave, then why would the 4th course would need one? A Miles A On 2011-11-25, at 8:04 AM, Anthony Hind wrote: A A Matthias, I am not quite sure why we may infer the following: A A I understand the author as saying that a) he himself has an octave A A string A A with his 5th course, as opposed to b) Dentice and followers A (Italians A A in A A general?) who have unisons for the 5th course. One may infer that A A Dentice A A also had unisons for his 4th course. Mathias A A I have unissons on the 5th course of my 7c lute, but octaves on my A A fourth, but perhaps I have missed something. A A Regards A A Anthony A A A __ A A A De : Mathias Roesel [1][4]mathias.roe...@t-online.de A A A : 'Lute Net' [2][5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu A A Envoye le : Jeudi 24 Novembre 2011 17h35 A A Objet : [LUTE] Re: Le Roy Dentice and Octave stringing A Neverthelesse the Tune self of the same .F. Is found in the same A compainie, and eight of the greate fift stryng: A which reason could not be in Lutes, tuned after the manner of A Fabrice A A Dentice A the Italian, and other his followers. Where those strynges that A A satnde A A twoo and A twoo together, bee sette in one Tune and not by eightes, which thei A A do for A A a A perfection of harmonie, in avoiding many unissons, which those eight A A would A cause. A 2. I understand Le Roy is saying that Dentice used a unison 5th A A course, A A not just a A unison 4th. Is this right? A A I understand the author as saying that a) he himself has an octave A A string A A with his 5th course, as opposed to b) Dentice and followers A (Italians A A in A A general?) who have unisons for the 5th course. One may infer that A A Dentice A A also had unisons for his 4th course. A A Mathias A A To get on or off this list see list information at A A [1][3][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A A A -- A A References A A A 1. [4][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html A A -- A -- References A 1. mailto:[8]mathias.roe...@t-online.de A 2. mailto:[9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu A 3. [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html A 4. [11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [12]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:agno3ph...@yahoo.com 2. mailto:miles.demps...@gmail.com 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 9. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 12. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Montserrat Figueras
Atlthough off topic, sad day for early music today, Monserat Figueras passed away. A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Montreal A On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Edward Mast [1]nedma...@aol.com wrote: Said, I trust, with tongue firmly in cheek . . . On Nov 23, 2011, at 4:14 AM, Garry Warber wrote: Perhaps if you intestine-twiddlers would give a listen to this you may amend your aberrant ways: [2]http://youtube.com/watch?v=YxVzNZVflL8 I hope I have the link right... :-) Garry To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [4]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:nedma...@aol.com 2. http://youtube.com/watch?v=YxVzNZVflL8 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] gut strings in Morocco
Dear lutenetters of America, A I have found out throught the french lutenet, that gut strings are still being made in Morocco: A [1]http://www.pure-corde.com/en A -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [2]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. http://www.pure-corde.com/en 2. http://www.estavel.org/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: gut string, etc.
Just as side note to this,A the ban appears to be European and not just Italian.A Mad cow disease in europe led to this ban, which ultimately led to the closing of SOFRACOB.A The ban appears to have been lifted in certain instances, such as for sausage casing in France. Obviously the lobbying of sausage makers is more important than that of gut string makers... A Bruno A A On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Orphenica [1]wer...@orphenica.de wrote: Hi collective lute wisdom, can somebody sum up the situation on gut strings for me. As I am a heavy gut player, I'd like to understand what is going on in this field. As far as I understood it, the production and import of gut strings (esp. beef gut) used to be forbidden in the EU, due to cases of BSE some years ago. This jurisdiction has been withdrawn and production is allowed again, with the exception of Italy which missed to cancel the abolition from the national Italian body of law. Aquila stopped the production of gut strings due to this national Italian jurisdiction AND/OR because it could not get raw material of sufficient quality, because of import restrictions. As I read from the post here on the lists, production in other countries do not seem to be problematic If this is the case, petitions addressed to the EU are quite useless, petitions should be adressed to the Italian government. I am inclined to sign any petition that keeps the production of gut strings going, but I am not quite sure, WHAT is the real nature of the problem. It would be nice if somebody kindly could sum up the situation for me. Thanks A we Am 19.11.11 16:53, schrieb William Samson: A A Hi Garry, A A Talking of lip smacking good, there was stuff in Nelson's navy called A A 'portable soup' that was made by boiling a vat of soup until it A A attained the consistency of thick hide glue, then letting it cool. A It A A was broken into slabs that could be re-constituted by the addition of A A hot water. A I wouldn't be surprised if it was indistinguishable from A A hide glue. A On the other hand, the sailors enjoyed it - but then I A A suppose it was nice compared to weevilly biscuits and salt beef that A A had circled the globe several times. A Also they wouldn't have lived A A long enough for the prions to take effect. A A Bill A A From: Garry Warber[2]garrywar...@hughes.net A A To: [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu A A Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 13:09 A A Subject: [LUTE] Re: gut string, etc. A A William, A A Hey, welcome to the mindset in the states... A We are not known as A A yanks for nothing. :-) A You are right, loose lips sink ships, more A A or less. A Of course, there is that prions not being harmed by cooking A A thing. A But as far as I know, only one guy here thinks hide glue is A A lip-smacking good! :-)+LOL... A A Garry A A -Original Message- From: William Samson A A Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 3:18 AM A A To: [1][4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu A A Subject: [LUTE] Re: gut string, etc. A A A - Forwarded Message - A A A From: William Samson[2][5]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk A A A To: Garry Warber[3][6]garrywar...@hughes.net A A A Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 8:12 A A A Subject: Re: [LUTE] gut string, etc. A A A Is hide glue now also banned in the EU? A A A SHHH A I hope none of these Eurocrats is reading this list!!! A A A This'll give them the opportunity to appoint dozens more overpaid A A A officials who get bonuses for imposing bans and senseless rules and A A A regulations. A Remember the 'straight banana' fiasco? A Now they are A A A denying they ever tried to ban curved ones . . . A A A Still, the great thing about hide glue is that you can make your own A A by A A A boiling up roadkill in a secret location where the thought police A A can't A A A find you. A A A Bill A A A PS A Orwell's '1984' was a long time coming, but it's with us now - A A A metrication, never ending wars, three political blocs (take your A A pick), A A A 'Newspeak', CCTV cameras everywhere, political correctness . . . A A A PPS A Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean . . . AARRRGGGHHH A A A -- A A To get on or off this list see list information at A A [4][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A A -- References A A 1. mailto:[8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu A A 2. mailto:[9]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk A A 3. mailto:[10]garrywar...@hughes.net A A
[LUTE] Re: Gut strings
Hi All,A One thing for sure, when I spoke to the Sofracob owner last year before he closed, he mentioned that one of the main reasons and problems, was the mad cow disease issues in France over the last few years, and that it was becoming more and more difficult to obtain gut. A So who knows what the real story is. A Did anyone ask Mimmo directly? regards BrunoA Montreal, Canada On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:00 AM, [1]b...@symbol4.de wrote: A Does anyone know if Kuerchner in Germany is still making gut strings? A Or Kathedrale (?). A It is quite funny - and also a little bit alarming- to see, how the EU A bureaucracy becames the projection area for the strangest ideas and A fears. A reputation well earned, some may say, but a little bit more of A horse sense is recommended when one reads announcements like the one A about gut strings - (or, before, the one about the alleged prohibition A of natural medicine). A In fact many people here in Brussels are quite normal. I as a German A was at once sure that it must be a hoax, because we eat every day A 12.689.344 sausages, many of them with a delicious skin of sheep gut. I A called a big producer of those so called saitling sausage skins: they A are producing happily and will go on forever. The same with Kuerschner A strings. A I asked people form the health department of the EU commission: guts no A topic at all. A If you want to read really strange laws, read your national legislation A :)) A So: No idea, where the gut story comes from. A Perhaps we should still start in the good tradition one of those A internet petitions ;) A best wishes (while wishing is still allowed) A Bernd A -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [3]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:b...@symbol4.de 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
luckily I bought a supply of gut strings and fret gut from Sofracob, just as they closed, to last me the rest of my lifeor at least my playing life I am 53. A good luck to everyone in finding affordable gut.A Maybe the chinese will come up with something,A I'm sure they have no laws concerning gut. A Bruno Montreal, Canada On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Daniel Winheld [1]dwinh...@comcast.net wrote: And fret gut? It is ironic that I can find acceptable synthetic string material, but so far not for frets. Nylon out of the question. Once I tried KFG, figuring that density was part of the problem- transmission of sound through to the neck (gut denser than nylon, KF KFG denser than gut; should have worked on that basis) but that didn't sound good either. We've already got enough to worry about, taking instruments across state lines if the wrong wood or dinosaur nuts are involved. Dan On Nov 16, 2011, at 1:09 AM, Anthony Hind wrote: A Dear Lutenists A A A A It does seem that Aquila has decided to stop gut string A production, which is catastrophic for those of us who use loaded guts. A There appears to have been but one remaining legal European source for A gut, and EU laws are making even this problematic, and are preventing a A serious search for new sourcing. A Mimmo now seems to consider that the quality of available gut has gone A down. beyond an acceptable limit. A Whether other European makers are going to follow Aquila, I don't know. A Hopefully, Dan Larson being outside the EU, will not be too effected. A Perhaps Ed can tell us. A Nevertheless, after Sofracob's disappearence, this will be a real blow A to gut users. A I am hoping that aquila will succeed in producing good loaded A synthetics, and that hopefully these will be very close in sound and A feel to present loaded gut, as the feel of the this is perhaps more A effected by the copper powder than by the texture of the gut. A Nevertheless, I do feel a real loss, as I have A taken so much pleasure A and interest in Mimmo's experiments with loaded gut, as well as having A strung all my lutes with these basses. A Best wishes A Anthony A A __ To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [3]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:dwinh...@comcast.net 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Savarez KF dealer in USA?
I've always managed to order directly from Savarez.A In Canada there are no representatives for Savarez lute strings, just guitar, so they've always accepted to sell directly to me. A A Bruno On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Martin Shepherd [1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk wrote: The Savarez web site is rather vague about the density of these strings (the KF multi-coated strings from .95mm onwards) and even implies that the density is about the same as gut. A But my experience has been that they are more dense than gut, a good approximation being to use a diameter about 10% less than you would use with gut. A I have found they work quite well - on my 6c lute at the moment I have a 5th course of .95mm and a 6th of 1.25mm (both octaved). Martin On 09/11/2011 15:30, [2]theoj89...@aol.com wrote: Is there a Savarez dealer in the USA? I am looking to try the Alliance KF strings on a renaissance lute (unless members of this newsgroup warn me not to..) And how do I calculate thicknesses to order?Thanks, trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [4]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:mar...@luteshop.co.uk 2. mailto:theoj89...@aol.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Medieval Lute
David, A There is no such thing as medieval music specifically written for the lute.A All music in the various periods of medieval music, is vocal. There were no publications since the printing press was invented in the 1500's.A It's all manuscripts.A Some music is monophonic, other is polyphonic.A In other words you need to make your own arrangements, or play single lines with other instruments.A There is however a good source of arrangements done by various people on: A [1]http://medievallute.info/pdf/ A A good luck A Bruno Cogny-Fournier lute, etc [2]www.estavel.orgA A ( medieval ensemble ) On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV [3]brai...@osu.edu wrote: There isn't much dedicated to any specific instrument in the medieval literature. A Asteria does a great job of setting late medieval songs to punteado lute accompaniments. A Perhaps check them for inspiration: [4]http://nueva.asteriamusica.com/ [5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB4CehJEK8A I also really enjoyed Robb MacKillop's Graysteil in this vein: [6]http://www.amazon.com/Graysteil-Music-Middle-Renaissance-Scotland /dp/B01 O9P [7]http://www.songoftherose.co.uk/medieval.htm Luck, Eugene -Original Message- From: [8]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[9]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of David R Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 3:29 PM To: [10]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Medieval Lute Hi luters, I'm thinking of getting into a type of lute music I've never played before, namely medieval lute. A Problem is, I don't know where to find the music. A Are there sources specifically for medieval lute, or does one simply have to just know what music to play based on knowledge of medieval music in general? A I guess I'm wanting to know what the various genres are, and where to find sources. A Can any of you kind folks help me out on this? A Feel free to inundate me with info if you want to! Thanks, David Rastall To get on or off this list see list information at [11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [12]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. http://medievallute.info/pdf/ 2. http://www.estavel.org/ 3. mailto:brai...@osu.edu 4. http://nueva.asteriamusica.com/ 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB4CehJEK8A 6. http://www.amazon.com/Graysteil-Music-Middle-Renaissance-Scotland/dp/B01O9P 7. http://www.songoftherose.co.uk/medieval.htm 8. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 9. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 10. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 12. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Medieval Lute
Hello ALL, A Much has been discussed in the past on this list and on the medieval lute list on whether medieval lutes had frets or not.A There is a common misconception that lutes must have had no frets since the modern day oud has none either.A A In fact nothing seems to be further from the truth than that.A Fretless Ouds appear to be a more recent evolution than originally thought.A Iconography shows that arabic lutes did in fact have frets, other did not.A The illuminations in the Cantigas de Santa Maria do show lutes with and without frets.A I also recall seeing an ancient picture of a persian Oud with frets, but I cannot find it right now.A Does anyone have that pic? I remember it circulating amongs this list.A Quarter tones are not part of the medieval music literature, so I do not see why fretless lutes would have been the norm.A In fact, even if you needed to play quarter tones, this could be achieved through fretting, just like the turkish Saz, which is fretted in quarter tones.A Do not forget that frets have another purpose besides accurate pitch. They allow the sound to be substained more than if played fretless. A That being said, I do enjoy playing oud without frets and do use it in certain medieval repertoire, such as the Cantigas de Santa Maria.A More because I like the sound than for authenticity.A Authenticity can never be achieved when performing medieval music, as we know so little about the instruments, the strings, the way they were built, so on and so forth.A A I first started playing medieval music on my Renaissance lute, because that's all I had.A Throughout the years I acquired several instruments; oud, saz, gittern, turkish laouta, etc, but none can be considered as authentic for medieval music.A They are simply instruments I like to believe are close to what would have been available in the middle ages, but were they that close?A My oud is strung in Gut, because I like the sound, NOT because it is authentic, as even modern gut strings are nowhere close to what would have been available in medieval times. A In short, play the music as you like to hear it, never say or pretend it is the authentic way.just have fun with it. A A Bruno [1]www.estavel.orgA ( medieval ensemble) On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Stephen Arndt [2]stephenar...@earthlink.net wrote: I think that much of Dick Hoban's Masters of Polyphony series can be played on a 5-course lute, but check with him to be sure. -Original Message- From: David R Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:28 PM To: [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Medieval Lute Hi luters, I'm thinking of getting into a type of lute music I've never played before, namely medieval lute. A Problem is, I don't know where to find the music. A Are there sources specifically for medieval lute, or does one simply have to just know what music to play based on knowledge of medieval music in general? A I guess I'm wanting to know what the various genres are, and where to find sources. A Can any of you kind folks help me out on this? A Feel free to inundate me with info if you want to! Thanks, David Rastall To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [5]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. http://www.estavel.org/ 2. mailto:stephenar...@earthlink.net 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] sad news
Hello all, A I have some sad news to announce.A Some of you in the LSA, will surely remember Colin Everett, luthier and lutenist from Ottawa.A Colin passed away last night after a 2 year battle with MSA ( muti systemic atrophy).A Colin was amongst the lute pioneers of the 70's.A I met Colin in 1978 and he was one of my best friends for the last 33 years.A I will miss him, as I'm sure many willA miss him too.A A -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [1]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. http://www.estavel.org/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Repair?
In my opinion no self respecting Luthier should take 8 months to repair a cracked soundboard and cracked rib.A Unless the extent the crack is disastrous, they are relatively simple to repair, even if they have to remove the top.A A Bruno On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Edward Mast [1]nedma...@aol.com wrote: Hello Brent, I think David's reply is on the mark. A My sense is that lute makers of any skill are generally very busy trying to fill orders for new instruments. A While feeling obligated to do repair work on instruments they've built, this work is secondary to the new work they've contracted for. A As frustrating as it is to be without an instrument, I think nothing will be gained by pushing the maker about the repairs, though an occasional polite inquiry should be ok. A recommendation, though, since you rely on your instrument for work; if you can possibly afford it get a second instrument. A There are many things that can happen to a lute to make it temporarily unplayable. A Having a backup seems prudent. Best wishes, Ned On Jun 22, 2011, at 1:52 AM, David Smith wrote: Hi Brent, I have a little experience in both getting repairs and ordering instruments. My experience is that luthiers must juggle many different demands on their time and repairs are prioritized amongst all their other demands. One year ago I had a bridge on a couple of year old 10 course lute come off. I contacted the luthier and fedex'd the lute to him overnight with the expectation that the repair could be done quickly. It took around 3 months. It was done beautifully and I love the result. I did not pay for it until it was finished. The communication of expectations on the other hand was not done cleanly. The luthier is a master builder but not necessarily a fantastic PR person. In the same vain I have an 8 course lute (from a different luthier) that was ordered last October with the expectation that it would be available sometime around January. In March I was informed that it was almost done and paid the remaining amount. I am still waiting. I have discussed this with the luthier and there are many reasons why time does not flow as predictably as I would like. This is an internationally recognized luthier with a fantastic reputation for quality and reliability. I have no complaints except that I expect production line timing from a craftsman - the expectations do not match and I get to reset my expectations. If your luthier is reputable (which I assume he is) then it will happen when it happens. I would love it if communication could be clearer but I have not seen that. The response you received from the luthier sounds like someone under lots of demands and unable or unwilling to provide time estimates. This is one of the joys of owning a work of art (and there are really many when you consider the living instrument in yours hands created from blocks of wood). So, while I agree that it is getting near time for your repair to be done and you are justified in your desire to have more precision in the responses it is not surprising to me. I would approach the luthier with understanding of his constraints but also continue, on a regular but not bothersome period, to ask for an update. I hope my experiences help some. Regards David -Original Message- From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of brentlynk Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:15 PM To: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Lute Repair? Hello, I am new to this list, but I have been playing the 10-course lute for a couple decades... :-) I have a problem and I am not sure how to handle it -- I really need some advice and guidance from people who know the lute-world better than I do (I play, but am pretty much solo secondary to geographical constraints, LOL...). I sent my lute off to a reputable luthier (who built it about 15 years ago...) for repairing a cracked soundboard and rib, and I have had some difficulty getting it back. It has been five months since I sent it in for repairs, and the luthier was paid in advance (over $800) for the repairs... But when I last asked about getting it back because, like anybody, I want it back, and on top of that, I am missing gigs and losing money, the luthier simply responded: you'll be the first to know when it is finished. Well, that response kind of bothered me because I have been so patient and the luthier told me that it would be ready soon a couple months ago... I realize that everyone is busy,
[LUTE] Re: two fifteenth century songs arranged by Eric Redlinger
Here weA go again with this debate.A I play lute and Oud A in a medieval ensemble , [1]www.estavel.org.A A I must say, that I like the sound of the Oud when playing Cantigas or Livre Vermeil stuff, however I move to a fretted luted for later stuff, Dufay, Landini, etc. A I recently played a Cantigas program on the Oud, and Saz (fretted) combined with aA traditional algerianA andalucian group, it really sounded great. A I do believe I saw an early arabic drawing of a fretted lute, posted on this list at some point.A I think it's safe to assume that both co-existed. A undecidedfretfully A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier [2]www.estavel.org A On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Martin Shepherd [3]mar...@luteshop.co.uk wrote: I remember someone discussing a treatise by Al Kindi (? 11-12th century?) which discusses how to place frets on the oud and discusses Pythagorean schemes, etc. A - so it seems that at least some ouds had frets. A Can anyone supply the details? Martin On 22/05/2011 12:59, alexander wrote: These pictures here from Cantigas de Santa Maria were looked at up and down, by countless people. It is hard to deny that most likely, those lute-ouds do not have frets. [4]http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cantigas/images/03.gif Of course, some people argue that, as always, a pencil-challenged illuminator just did not care for drawing the frets. Then we look at a fretted and fretless guitar-things next to each other: [5]http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cantigas/images/15.gif LXR On Sun, 22 May 2011 09:42:06 +0200 David van Ooijen[6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com A wrote: Oh, people who know better should step in. What I understand is fretless oud playing is a relative modern (how modern I do not know) thing. What I understand is early (how early I do not know) Arabian music treatises have fretting schemes with tuning systems for oud. David - fretting for theorbo concert today -- To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [8]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. http://www.estavel.org/ 2. http://www.estavel.org/ 3. mailto:mar...@luteshop.co.uk 4. http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cantigas/images/03.gif 5. http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cantigas/images/15.gif 6. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: tracking down Airs de cour
I probably haveA them in myA AirsA de CoursA anthology, I have to check A Bruno Montreal, Canada On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Jeffrey Noonan [1]jjnoo...@sbcglobal.net wrote: A A vocal student here at the university just asked for help locating a A couple airs de cour he wants to put on a recital. I'm swamped with A performance and class preparation and my time for doing this sort of A digging is limited right now. I can eventually get to it, but the A sooner we find these the better. A Would anyone on the list have either of the following songs in a format A you would be willing to share with my student? Facsimle or modern A edition would be fine. A PDF scan might be easiest way to send them. A A cursory on-line search has not turned either of these up quickly in the A usual lute music resources. Any help would be greatly appreciated. A He is looking for: A Aux plaisirs, aux delices bergeres by Guedron A Cesses, o divine beaute by Boesset A If you have either, you can email me or him directly--his email is A [1][2]jdalexande...@semo.edu A Thanks in advance for any help you can offer us. A See ya A jeff A A __ A -- References A 1. mailto:[3]jdalexande...@semo.edu To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:jjnoo...@sbcglobal.net 2. mailto:jdalexande...@semo.edu 3. mailto:jdalexande...@semo.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: RV93 materials?
Ed,A is that not the version you sent me years ago in Tab for Soprano lute? A Bruno A Happy New year... On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Fabio Rizza [1]fabio_ri...@alice.it wrote: Il 03/01/2011 18:15, [2]...@heartistrymusic.com ha scritto: I have heard many recordings of the guitar version with full orchestra, and I havealso performed the piece on guitar with full orchestra. A Guitars and lutes were not designed for this. A Even then I wanted a facsimile of the original, but was unable to locate one. A Now that I am dabbling in the lute world I would like to re-visit this piece. Questions: A 1. Given the time period, would it be most historically accurate to perform this on a baroque lute in baroque tuning? A Or could one get by with an 8 course renaissance instrument? Vivaldi uses the word leuto Vivaldi to indicate an instrument able to realize the continuo. See, for example, his Concerto per la solennitA di san Lorenzo RV 556. In my opinion (and in that of Rossella Perrone, who wrote a detailed preface to my edition of Vivaldi's works for lute and mandolin) that instrument was the archlute, i.e. the Italian baroque lute. But I guess that Vivaldi wouldn't mind if someone played it on the German baroque lute -- or even on the mandora, as Pietro Prosser suggested a few years ago. In her preface, Rossella Perrone writes: In writing almost certainly for the AleutoA that he knew, that is, the lute in use in Italy or the archlute, Vivaldi left the Bohemian patron or his lutist the task of adapting the part. In any event, it is significant that the three compositions dedicated to Wrtby, together with the concerto RV 540, can be played on both types of instrument and the keys of the works (C major in RV 82, G minor in RV 85, D major in RV 93 and D minor in RV 540) are comfortable for the archlute and the lute in D minor alike. Moreover, in the three compositions dedicated to the Bohemian count, considering the fact that the pieces were certainly destined for a chamber group, the lute part, unlike the concerto RV 540, in which the richer order of the score allows an explicit doubling of the roles of the instruments (as support for the basses in the ripieno and for the solista in the solos), is notated only in the treble clef without employing the bass clef. Nevertheless, since the lute part in score is always in the middle, between the violin and the bass, with the exception of the Larghetto of RV 82 (highlighting, with such an arrangement, the derivation of the violin part from the AleutoA part), one can put forward the hypothesis that the lutist of the period read from his own line and the bass line at the same time, perhaps playing both the melodic line as well as the basses for harmonic support. Ever since the publication of these compositions, as we were saying, the problem of the type of AleutoA employed by Vivaldi has come up. The confusion arose because of Vivaldi's use of the treble clef. However, from the autograph RV 540, where the notes in the treble clef are written an octave higher and the basses on the true notes, we learn that the parts of the three compositions dedicated to Wrtby (all in G clef), were to be played by the archlute an octave lower and not on a small lute with a register that could go as high as D5. A 2. Would Vivaldi have written standard notation that a lutenist would then have entabulated according to the instrument in their possession at the time? I guess so. There are some examples of this modus operandi in the lute literature of that time. There is an interesting article written by Pietro Prosser (in Italian, sorry): [3]http://riviste.paviauniversitypress.it/index.php/phi/article/view /05-02-INT04/44 A 3. For correct volume and tonal balance, what would be the most appropriate (and historically correct) number of violins, etc.? String trio? A Two per desk?... The Concerto RV 93 is scored for two violins, lute and basso. Best regards, Fabio To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:fabio_ri...@alice.it 2. mailto:t...@heartistrymusic.com 3. http://riviste.paviauniversitypress.it/index.php/phi/article/view/05-02-INT04/44 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Super glue and cotton thread.
Sorry I missed this threadA ( no pun intended)A Would you explain how you splice wound strings? I have some expensive copper wound Savarez strings for my basses on my liuto attiorbato, and the wire typically gets broken just before the nut when I tunehence giving me a rather dead sounding string Wonder if I could at least splice it to give it extra life... A thx A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier [1]www.estavel.org A A On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Herbert Ward [2]wa...@physics.utexas.edu wrote: The MSDS for super glue and the Wikipedia article both warn against using super glue with cotton. A So, when splicing strings, using the technique discussed earlier, it might be better to use 100% polyester thread instead of cotton thread. I have had good success splicing metal overspun strings this way, but it takes a bit of technique to get the thread wound and tied. To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.estavel.org/ 2. mailto:wa...@physics.utexas.edu 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] James Tyler
Hello A Someone announced on the french lute list, that James Tyler passed away.A I don't know if the American lute list was made aware of this.A A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Montreal, Canada -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: James Tyler
Certainly will be missed, I still have my old LP's of him and Anthony Rooley playing.A He was amongst the first in the line of lute revivalists and I certainly would probably have never played lute if I hadn't listened to his records amongst others of that period.A He apparently passed away Nov. 23 after a brief hospitalization. A Bruno On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 9:20 PM, David Tayler [1]vidan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Thanks Bruno-- He will be missed. One of my earliest memories of his playing was Queen Elizabeth's Galliard--I remember thinking, yikes, that's fast! dt At 06:14 PM 11/28/2010, you wrote: A A Hello A A A A A Someone announced on the french lute list, that James Tyler passed A A away.A A I don't know if the American lute list was made aware of A A this.A A A A A A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A A Montreal, Canada A A -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:vidan...@sbcglobal.net 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tying two strings of different thickness together?
I use the Square knot, but I thinkA the Sheet Bend knot wiould be better. A [1]http://www.woodburyscouts.org/troop480/images/knots.gif A Bruno On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Anthony Hind [2]agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote: A Dear All A A A A A I may need to lengthen a string which does not quite reach the A peg, but goes well beyond the nut. I would like to attach it to a A slightly thinner short piece of gut to reach the peg in question. I A remember that Stephen Gottlieb had done that for several strings on my A lute; but I can no longer remember the type of knot he used. Can anyone A advise me, or tell me of a page where this knot is described. A Regards A Anthony A -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.woodburyscouts.org/troop480/images/knots.gif 2. mailto:agno3ph...@yahoo.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Henry VIII Manuscript - The base of Spayne
I'm looking for some easy arrangements for christmas music for chitarrone with re-entrant tuning.A anyone has transcribed some stuff?A I'm new at playing in re-entrant tuning, have been playing Renaissance lute for 30 some years and recently convertedA my 10 course into a 13 courseA liuto attiorbato, which is really fun to play , and allows me to have a crack at this other world that I never really explored.A Still fumbling a bit with my basses, but getting the hang of it . thx A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier MontrealA On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Anton HAP:ger [1]diwa-animat...@t-online.de wrote: Hi I have uploaded a new fine Lute Duet for 2 lutes ad Quartam. score, parts and mp3 file Henry VIII Manuscript - The base of Spayne A --- It is an unusual piece, a setting of one of those fifteenth century basse-dance melodies. Enjoy it. Anton To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:diwa-animat...@t-online.de 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Kozena and guitars, theorbo, colascione etc..
I personnally am getting tired of all this theatrical way of doing baroque music, and the Latin american style of strumming used.A Don't get me wrong, I love strumming, but I prefer to hear it in Latin american music. A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Bernd Haegemann [1...@symbol4.de wrote: Yesterday we watched a very nice concert. As it seems it also on youtube: [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk4j_WRqd68feature=related then you can continue with the vids on the righ side of the page. best wishes Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:b...@symbol4.de 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk4j_WRqd68feature=related 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Kozena and guitars, theorbo, colascione etc..
yes it's a bit of a circus isn't it.A A I just wonder where we can draw the lineA I've even stopped putting on medieval costumes for my medieval gigs.. A Bruno On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Monica Hall [1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: This is much the same line up that performed Italian repertoire at the Edinburgh Festival which was broadcast on the radio. A We discussed it on the vihuela list and I think we all hated it. Love the plunging neckline though. A I wonder if anyone would pay me to appear in public like that. Monica - Original Message - From: Bernd Haegemann [2...@symbol4.de To: [3]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 7:00 PM Subject: [LUTE] Kozena and guitars, theorbo, colascione etc.. Yesterday we watched a very nice concert. As it seems it also on youtube: [4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk4j_WRqd68feature=related then you can continue with the vids on the righ side of the page. best wishes Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 2. mailto:b...@symbol4.de 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk4j_WRqd68feature=related 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: some more LUTEDUO links on youtube:))))
I'm a bit sceptic about the technique of striking the strings on the fingerboard with the right hand.A Is there any proof that this technique was used in the baroque period? A Bruno On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Anton Birula [1]image...@yahoo.com wrote: [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrg3T7b0qRg [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3byujZXOhA [4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OThbw02Vz-c [5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIrNJlgh2g0 To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:image...@yahoo.com 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrg3T7b0qRg 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3byujZXOhA 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OThbw02Vz-c 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIrNJlgh2g0 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: some more LUTEDUO links on youtube:))))
of course you are right , I wasn't trying to start a debate on authenticity... I too play with pyramid strings, although have the majority of my strings in Gut, and fully realize that Theorbo and guitar were not played in Duo, I just thought that tapping on the guitar neck was a bit much...that's all.A Even the strumming is probably far from the kind of strumming that would have been done then... A I still like it, adn I like strumming too on my venezuelan cuatroand my lute. A regards A Bruno On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Anton Birula [1]image...@yahoo.com wrote: No there is absolutely no proof. It all is totally unhistorical:) There were no duets for guitar theorbo, no pyramid strings we play on, no high tension we use and nobody knew Stanley Jordan with his expressive tapping on the e guitar, which is may be a pity:)) --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Bruno Fournier [2]br...@estavel.org wrote: From: Bruno Fournier [3]br...@estavel.org Subject: [LUTE] Re: some more LUTEDUO links on youtube: To: Anton Birula [4]image...@yahoo.com Cc: Lutenet [5]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu, Burris [6]baroquel...@earthlink.net Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 3:04 PM A A A I'm a bit sceptic about the technique of striking the strings on the A A A fingerboard with the right hand.AA Is there any proof that this A A A technique was used in the baroque period? A A A A A A A Bruno A A A On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Anton Birula [1][7]image...@yahoo.com A A A wrote: A A A A [2][8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrg3T7b0qRg A A A A [3][9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3byujZXOhA A A A A [4][10]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OThbw02Vz-c A A A A [5][11]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIrNJlgh2g0 A A A A To get on or off this list see list information at A A A A [6][12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A A A -- References A A A 1. mailto:[13]image...@yahoo.com A A A 2. [14]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrg3T7b0qRg A A A 3. [15]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3byujZXOhA A A A 4. [16]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OThbw02Vz-c A A A 5. [17]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIrNJlgh2g0 A A A 6. [18]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:image...@yahoo.com 2. mailto:br...@estavel.org 3. mailto:br...@estavel.org 4. mailto:image...@yahoo.com 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:baroquel...@earthlink.net 7. mailto:image...@yahoo.com 8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrg3T7b0qRg 9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3byujZXOhA 10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OThbw02Vz-c 11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIrNJlgh2g0 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 13. mailto:image...@yahoo.com 14. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrg3T7b0qRg 15. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3byujZXOhA 16. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OThbw02Vz-c 17. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIrNJlgh2g0 18. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Fret Gut
I usually use my old broken gut strings A you can use a nylon fret in the meantime. A Bruno On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Graham Freeman [1]freeman.gra...@gmail.com wrote: A All, A Has anyone ever used anything other than fret gut to replace a fret? A Perhaps in a pinch? I've broken two frets and would really like to get A the instrument back up and running before the replacement gut I ordered A arrives. Perhaps someone has experimented with other materials that A might suffice until my gut arrives? A I really only need it to work for A a little while, sort of like the spare tire that just needs to get me A to the service station. A Appreciative as always, A Graham Freeman A -- A Dr. Graham Freeman A Ph. D Musicology A University of Toronto A [1][2]freeman.gra...@gmail.com A -- References A 1. mailto:[3]freeman.gra...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:freeman.gra...@gmail.com 2. mailto:freeman.gra...@gmail.com 3. mailto:freeman.gra...@gmail.com 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 4 lutes
Hello to all, A If rapid share is a problem, why not put it on a GMAIL account that is shared by all users, or if you wish, I can host it for free on my web server at [1]www.estavel.org A I can set up an FTP account for you to upload and make the links available through a web page. A regards A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier [2]www.estavel.org luth,etc A A On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Jerzy Zak [3]jurek...@gmail.com wrote: To All, and to Anton, You are very kind and generous man but please do not use the [4]rapidshare.com service in future, as it is definitely not a free service as it may look. I have a necessity to use it just few times a year and not by my own choice, so I don't feel the necessity to pay for it. But sometime we are directed to there, and then the problems come about. When I see for several minutes that I'm downloading something -- which is not true, and have to wait, and then the fraze: You have reached the download limit for free-users. Would you like more? -- having downloaded NOTHING, I cannot refrain from reaction. This is a suspicious service built on tricks and lies. Anton, and others, please, consider moving you splendid libraries to some other places for the benefit of all. And it's not that I so much need to put my hands on your stuff at the moment, but it's simply not the place for us. So I think ;-) Kind regards, Jurek - On 2010-04-12, at 16:36, Anton HAP:ger wrote: hi, and alt last but (perhaps not at least) pieces for 4 lutes 7.) pieces for 4 Lutes A (4 equal lutes -Unisono) [5]http://rapidshare.com/files/374955046/Bartolini__Orindio_-_Canzon_La ute_1.pdf [6]http://rapidshare.com/files/374955549/Bartolini__Orindio_-_Canzon_La ute_2.pdf [7]http://rapidshare.com/files/374956181/Bartolini__Orindio_-_Canzon_La ute_3.pdf [8]http://rapidshare.com/files/374956924/Bartolini__Orindio_-_Canzon_La ute_4.pdf [9]http://rapidshare.com/files/375032168/Bartolini__Orindio_-_Canzon.pd f [10]http://rapidshare.com/files/374957635/Corteccia__Francesco_-_Ingred ere-L-1.pdf [11]http://rapidshare.com/files/374958233/Corteccia__Francesco_-_Ingred ere-L-2.pdf [12]http://rapidshare.com/files/374958753/Corteccia__Francesco_-_Ingred ere-L-3.pdf [13]http://rapidshare.com/files/374959396/Corteccia__Francesco_-_Ingred ere-L-4.pdf [14]http://rapidshare.com/files/374960877/Corteccia__Francesco_-_Ingred ere.pdf [15]http://rapidshare.com/files/374962266/Giovanni_Gabrielli_-_Hodie_Ch ristus_natus_est.pdf [16]http://rapidshare.com/files/374962705/Ghizzolo__Giovanni_-_O_quam_s uavis_est_Domine_spiritus_tuus-L-1.pdf [17]http://rapidshare.com/files/374963223/Ghizzolo__Giovanni_-_O_quam_s uavis_est_Domine_spiritus_tuus-L-2.pdf [18]http://rapidshare.com/files/374963653/Ghizzolo__Giovanni_-_O_quam_s uavis_est_Domine_spiritus_tuus-L-3.pdf [19]http://rapidshare.com/files/374964102/Ghizzolo__Giovanni_-_O_quam_s uavis_est_Domine_spiritus_tuus-L-4.pdf [20]http://rapidshare.com/files/374965176/Ghizzolo__Giovanni_-_O_quam_s uavis_est_Domine_spiritus_tuus.pdf [21]http://rapidshare.com/files/374966138/Lassus_-_Un_jour_l_amant.pdf ___ 8.) pieces for 4 Lutes A (2 equal lutes 2 lutes a Quarth deeper (ad Quartam) [22]http://rapidshare.com/files/374934733/Bramieri__Claudio_-_Canzona_L a_Foccara.pdf [23]http://rapidshare.com/files/374954465/Gabrieli_-_Chiar__Angioletto. pdf [24]http://rapidshare.com/files/374947306/Gabrieli_-_Jam_non_dicam.pdf [25]http://rapidshare.com/files/374931519/Gabrieli__Giovanni_-_Canzon_s econda.pdf [26]http://rapidshare.com/files/374949951/Gabrieli__Giovanni_-_Canzon_P rimii_Toni-L-1.pdf [27]http://rapidshare.com/files/374950645/Gabrieli__Giovanni_-_Canzon_P rimii_Toni-L-2.pdf [28]http://rapidshare.com/files/374951307/Gabrieli__Giovanni_-_Canzon_P rimii_Toni-L-3.pdf [29]http://rapidshare.com/files/374951995/Gabrieli__Giovanni_-_Canzon_P rimii_Toni-L-4.pdf [30]http://rapidshare.com/files/374953565/Gabrieli__Giovanni_-_Canzon_P rimii_Toni.pdf Have fun and play them. Warm regards Anton -- To get on or off this list see list information at [31]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.estavel.org/ 2. http://www.estavel.org/ 3. mailto:jurek...@gmail.com 4. http://rapidshare.com/ 5. http://rapidshare.com/files/374955046/Bartolini__Orindio_-_Canzon_Laute_1.pdf 6. http://rapidshare.com/files/374955549/Bartolini__Orindio_-_Canzon_Laute_2.pdf 7.
[LUTE] Re: URGENT : FERMETURE DE SOFRACOB
Hello to all, bonjour A tous, A SOFRACOB is closing its operations at the end of February.A This is a great loss to theA early music world. A SOFRACOB ferme ses portes dA(c)finitivement A la fin fA(c)vrier.A Ceci est une grande perte pour le monde de la musique ancienne. A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Montreal, QuA(c)bec -- Forwarded message -- From: [1]sofra...@aol.com Date: 2010/1/6 Subject: URGENT : FERMETURE DE SOFRACOB To: [2]br...@estavel.org Cher Client, Depuis la maladie des vaches folles (ESB) nous avons fait le maximum pour maintenir notre activitA(c), mais malheureusement, malgrA(c) tous nos efforts, nous avons le regret de vous informer que la SOFRACOB arrA-atera dA(c)finitivement ses activitA(c)s fin fA(c)vrier 2010. Nous vous recommandons de faire un petit stock avant la fermeture, mais il faudrait que nous recevions votre commande au plus tard fin JANVIER. Nous avons toujours fait le maximum pour vous donner satisfaction et nous sommes dA(c)solA(c)s d'A-atre obligA(c)s d'arrA-ater notre collaboration. Dans l'attente de vos A(c)ventuelles commandes avant fin janvier 2010, soyez certain que nous sommes dA(c)solA(c)s de cette situation. Avec nos meilleurs sentiments. Cordialement. Ph. LENOBLE et VIRGINIE -- References 1. mailto:sofra...@aol.com 2. mailto:br...@estavel.org To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: luciano faria
good luck getting the instrument many times over this luthier has been discussed on the list.A He takes forever to finish the instrumentsA ( 3 years...) hard to reach, never answers his emails, apparently he lives in a remote village in Brazil and has difficulty getting to his emails... A Bruno On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:03 AM, THOMAS GEORGI [1]thomasgeo...@rogers.com wrote: A A Is there anybody who can recommend Luciano Faria or has experience A ordering an instrument from him? I am considering order a vaboam guitar A from him. A Thanks, Tom Georgi A -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:thomasgeo...@rogers.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Double headed lute pic?
I was about to say the same thing.A Certainly not a theorbo, and the neckA looks like it had a serious alignment problem with the body of the lute A Bruno On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Monica Hall [1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Well - he's not playing a theorbo - and the theorbo is not trying to be a guitar!!! A These Art Historians really need to be educated! At a guess I would say it is meant to be an archlute but however good the artist may be a painting satin he seems to have got in a twist with the peg boxes!! Monica - Original Message - From: morgan cornwall [2]mcornw...@ns.sympatico.ca To: Lute Net [3]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu; Stuart Walsh [4]s.wa...@ntlworld.com Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 2:01 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double headed lute pic? Stuart, this may help: Van Mieris - Self Portrait from the Uffizi Gallery [5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FdSIys2XfI regards, morgan - Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh [6]s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: Lute Net [7]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: [LUTE] Double headed lute pic? I came across this image recently - possibly a chap playing a double-headed lute. So (?) Dutch or English? A Perhaps it's from a well-known painting? I only had a camera phone and it was shot at an angle to avoid the flash glaring against the glass. I've cropped the writing underneath- but you can't see it clearly anyway - it says something like 'micris' with some kind of diacritical twiddle over the letter c (if it is a c). [8]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/dhlute.jpg Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 2. mailto:mcornw...@ns.sympatico.ca 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FdSIys2XfI 6. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 7. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/dhlute.jpg 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Amazing Race lute sighting
I saw him too.A How many lute players can there be in Estonia?? A Bruno On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:18 PM, morgan cornwall [1]mcornw...@ns.sympatico.ca wrote: I can't comment on who was on Amazing Race, but I do have the CD by Rondellus entitled Sabbatum, where they arranged Black Sabbath songs in a medieval style. A Very entertaining for anyone who is a fan of both. A I also have a CD of Black Sabbath tunes arranged in a Bhangra (East Indian) style, which didn't work out quite as well, although still listenable. mc - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [2]r.turov...@verizon.net To: Daniel Shoskes [3]kidneykut...@gmail.com; lute [4]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Amazing Race lute sighting Most likely Robert Staak of the ens.Rondellus. RT - Original Message - From: Daniel Shoskes [5]kidneykut...@gmail.com To: lute [6]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: [LUTE] Amazing Race lute sighting A In yesterday's episode of the Amazing Race, there was a task in Estonia A that involved an old medieval society. In the room was a lutenist A playing a nice Renaissance lute with proper thumb under technique. Nice A confluence of my favorite show and favorite pastime! Anyone know who he A might be? A DS A -- To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mcornw...@ns.sympatico.ca 2. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 3. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute in shop
Would that lute happen to be in AndrA(c) Bissonet's antique musical instrument shop on 6 rue du Pas de la Mule near place des Vosges? A He has several interesting instruments, notably romantic guitars and hurdy gurdies. A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Bernd Haegemann [1...@symbol4.de wrote: Looks interesting. Do you want to share the adress of this shop? I might go over there to have a closer look :) Yes , do that and report! :-) [2]http://traveldk.com/paris/marais-and-the-bastille/dk/andre-bisson et cell phone would be 0680 250989 I think. bonne chance B. To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:b...@symbol4.de 2. http://traveldk.com/paris/marais-and-the-bastille/dk/andre-bissonet 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Brazilian duet a la Dowland
which is? A Bruno On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:29 AM, JAP:rg Hilbert [1]hilbert.jo...@t-online.de wrote: Very impressing! But it also demonstrates the basic problem of the classical guitar nowadays. Am 22.10.2009 um 05:22 schrieb Daniel F Heiman: [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcsSPzr7ays Daniel To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:hilbert.jo...@t-online.de 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcsSPzr7ays 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: : Cost of a lute?
Hello, A I can't believe your question.A That's the most ridiculous thinking. A With your thinking, then why are paintings so expensive? is it materials? is it labour?A A What about a Mercedes Benz versus a Hyundai made in Korea? is that labour? is that materials? is that engineering? is that quality control?A Come on man, wake up and smell the coffee.A A Yes a violin can be had cheaply, and no self respecting violinist will play ona 300$ violin.A A Its easier to make than a lute, has more market share, more demand, etc.A A Craftsmanship, difficulty in making the instrument, research in historical construction, demand, market share, etc to name a few, is what's its allA aboutA for the lute. A Pakistani lutes are cheaply made, not because they use cheap materials, which of course they do, but also because there is no craft involved.A They just glue together slabs of wood in the hope that it will be aligned, and playable.A Theu are made by poorly paid factory workers, in very uncontrolled humidity conditions, with probably no quality control whatsoever.A You can also have a very poorly made Moroccan Oud for cheap, and very expensive ones as well...even though the market for Oud's in the world ( mostly in the middle east )is certainly greater than the market for Renaissance lutes in the entire World. A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier lutenist and amateur builder... On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Seth Appel [1]seth.ap...@gmail.com wrote: A So the thread about student lutes and costs has got my brain working... A and let me state right away that by profession I am a business man and A not am musician. A Why does a lute cost as much as it does? A Is it materials? A Labor? A A price premium for know-how? A Are the Pakistani lutes cheap (in both the good and bad sense) because A they are using poor materials, or is it because the craftspeople simple A don't know how to make them better? A Could an accomplished luthier go A to Pakistan and work with them for a month and enable them to start A producing truly good lutes at the same price? A Or would this transformation take years of education and training? A I wouldn't expect the Pakistani factory to produce master peices, but, A as noted earlier, if someone can produce passable violins at $300, and A lord knows there are plenty of cheap but OK guitars around, it escapes A me why there are not cheap but OK lutes in the marketplace. A On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:18 PM, marius david cruceru A [1][2]marius.cruc...@gmail.com wrote: A A Hello, Luther, A A My suggestion is to contact mister Lorinczi. He is living in A A Romania, in Tg. Mures. A A He made my lute, A A VEnere, 8, a beautiful instrument, A A contact me to give you his email address to negociate the price. A A Would you like to have a REnnassaince Lute or a Baroque? A A Let me know if you are interested. A A best regards A A marius david cruceru A A romania A A [2][3]nedma...@aol.com wrote: A A As Chris said, don't give up Luther. A I found two very nice A instruments A A on Wayne's list at good prices (I have an instrument on order from A Dan A A Larson). A But before I found those instruments, I did a lot of A A practicing on a guitar using lute technique as best I could from some A A investigation. A Put on a light set of strings and give it a try. A I A A didn't use a capo, but you could to shorten the string length and A bring A A the pitch up g'. A This would at least get you going in a lute A direction A A until you find an affordable instrument. A A Ned A A -- A To get on or off this list see list information at A [3][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A -- References A 1. mailto:[5]marius.cruc...@gmail.com A 2. mailto:[6]nedma...@aol.com A 3. [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:seth.ap...@gmail.com 2. mailto:marius.cruc...@gmail.com 3. mailto:nedma...@aol.com 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. mailto:marius.cruc...@gmail.com 6. mailto:nedma...@aol.com 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: : Cost of a lute?
I don't think you've understood the problem at hear.A It is not about the material, and BTW carbon fiber lute was done as an experiment by Charles Besnainou in France back in the 80's:A [1]http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.josephcurtinstudios .com/news/strad/apr99/images/lute.jpgimgrefurl=http://www.josephcurtin studios.com/news/strad/apr99/space_age_strad.htmusg=__nnXRBHTPt0--zhTm jlhLhba8Gf8=h=298w=160sz=9hl=frstart=1sig2=JjeFDAVdfLHqf0aclugA7Q um=1tbnid=SPLP5eWzVXY20M:tbnh=116tbnw=62prev=/images%3Fq%3Dluth%2B fibre%2Bde%2Bcarbone%2Bcharles%2Bbesnainou%26hl%3Dfr%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 ei=iAzESojYINXOlAe0q-3vDg A it's about craftsmanship and demand.A It takes a long time to make a lute, and there is no demand A Bruno On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Mark Probert [2]probe...@gmail.com wrote: Morgan wrote: mc I wonder if you could relatively inexpensively construct a lute (the bowl, mc at minimum) from carbon fiber (like some acoustic guitars) or molded plastic mc (like an Ovation guitar), and what it would sound like? mc I was wondering this exact thing myself, with more than a passing interest (my brother-in-law is a materials scientist in the carbon-fibre / fiberglass game, with manufacturing contacts all around SE Asia). There are a number of open questions, such as mold costs, but the biggest would be the soundboard. A That would need to be wood. A And then there is the look of the thing. A My other thought on doing a instrument like that would be to add a pickup and end-pin jack out of the box (think: new market). Now for the business case :) I figure the price point would need to be in the USD$600 - 800 range to make this a viable option, including case. .. mark To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.josephcurtinstudios.com/news/strad/apr99/images/lute.jpgimgrefurl=http://www.josephcurtinstudios.com/news/strad/apr99/space_age_strad.htmusg=__nnXRBHTPt0--zhTmjlhLhba8Gf8=h=298w=160sz=9hl=frstart=1sig2=JjeFDAVdfLHqf0aclugA7Qum=1tbnid=SPLP5eWzVXY20M:tbnh=116tbnw=62prev=/images%3Fq%3Dluth%2Bfibre%2Bde%2Bcarbone%2Bcharles%2Bbesnainou%26hl%3Dfr%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1ei=iAzESojYINXOlAe0q-3vDg 2. mailto:probe...@gmail.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Factories
Never mind all that, a baroque wooden transverse flute from a reputable make can go easily for more than 2000$.A But anyone can learn how to play regular transverse flute on a cheap 500$ yamaha flute. Thatty won't make you a baroque flute player but can be an introduction.A The introduction to lute playing for most people is classical guitar ...and you can buy one for 300$.A ..then you move on.A Harpsichordist get introduced to the repertoire from playing regular piano.A I don't hear anyone complaining about the price of a harpsichord... come on people get real!!!A If you want to play lute, bite the bullet and buy a lute, but be warned that you better know what you're getting into.A If you are unsure, learn how to play lute repertoire on the classical guitar, if you are able to , are happy with the music, then moving on to a lute will not be an issue. A Bruno (started playing classical guitar at 12, moved to the lute at age 18, now 50 .still playing lute and other strings) On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 5:10 PM, [1]dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:37 AM, [2]nedma...@aol.com wrote: But you can get a student violin for $200-300 US, and less than that with super saver shipping from Amazon.com. So at the entry level, lutes are much more expensive. SAT Plastic recorders can be had for under $100 and are seen on sale in thousands of band stores thruout America. A A quality wooden renaissance tenor can be had for perhaps $800 USD (I payed $400 in late 70'S) Violins are not comparable to lutes, they are much smaller in terms of the wood they use; they also have a much larger marketplace. G lute lies somewhere between viola and cello; easier to compare lute and guitar for parts. A Lute ribs may take more material than guitars back and sides, you loose a lot tapering the lute ribs. A A cheap instrument will mix the ribs, perhaps using spares leftover from bookmatched sets used on more expensive instruments. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us 2. mailto:nedma...@aol.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Alto lute help
21.5 cm sounds a bit short for an A lute and a bit too long for a Soprano lute in D.A Not sure what you have there Andrew. As Ken said, if its 21.5 inches, then its a good length for an A lute. You might be able to get away with tuning it in G at that string length, but it won't sound as good in my opinion. A so if in G:A GCFADG if in A: ADGBEA A if indeed it is 21.5 cm, your best bet is probably to tune it inA C: CFBflatDGC A Bruno Montreal, Quebec A On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Ken Brodkey [1]kbrod...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello Andrew, The tuning you described is the same relative tuning as a guitar. I'm not sure why your guitar friends would say, it's close to guitar tuning save for a note or two, unless they were meaning it's not tuned to 'E' but relatively higher. Guitars are generally tuned in E and your lute is in A. For lute tuning you need to lower the 3rd course a half step; from 'C' to 'B'. 21.5 cm is way too small. Isn't that 21.5 inches? In inches it converts to 54.6 cm, which is a good length for a lute in 'A'. For starters check out Wayne Cripps lute pages: [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/lute.html Good luck. Ken Brodkey -Original Message- From: [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]on Behalf Of Andrew Arconti Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:30 PM To: [5]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Alto lute help A A __ A From: [6]itno...@hotmail.com A To: [7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu A Subject: RE: [LUTE] Alto lute help A Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:26:44 -0700 A You mean B? Or do you have it in guitar tuning? A It's not in guitar tuning as far as I know. I was told by the seller A that this is the correct tuning for this lute. Wouldn't think it'd be a A guitar tuning , but... A I have taken it to some friends who play guitar however, and they have A said it's close to guitar tuning save for a note or two. A Wish I could say more, but I'm new to all of this. A Anyone answering these questions would need to know the mensur A (length from bridge to nut) and what strings you have on it now. A The length is approx. 21.5 cm from nut to bridge. It's got nylgut A throughout except with the addition of silver wound strings on the 5th A and 6th courses, and nylon for the top string. Unfortunately, other A than that I'm not sure about the strings. Not sure what the gauges are A currently. A Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:39:29 -0700 A To: [8]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu A From: [9]howardpos...@ca.rr.com A Subject: [LUTE] Re: Alto lute help A A A On Jul 18, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Andrew Arconti wrote: A AI have been using the following tuning which I was told is what the Ainstrument was made for: A, E, C A A You mean B? Or do you have it in guitar tuning? A A, G, D, A; but am curious if there are Aother tunings appropriate for a lute of this type? I have been Atuning Ato 440hz and am wondering if anyone feels there is a better Afrequency Ato be tuning an alto to, and if I was to lower my tuning frequency, Awould I need to change out my strings to a new size? A A A Anyone answering these questions would need to know the mensur A (length from bridge to nut) and what strings you have on it now. A A A -- A A To get on or off this list see list information at A [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A A __ A Windows Live Hotmail(R): Search, add, and share the webs latest sports A videos. [1]Check it out. A A __ A Windows Live Hotmail(R): Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports A pics. [2]Check it out. -- References A 1. [11]http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TX T_TAGLM_W L_QA_HM_sports_videos_072009cat=sports A 2. [12]http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TX T_TAGLM_W L_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009cat=sports -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne [13]www.estavel.org -- References 1. mailto:kbrod...@pacbell.net 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/lute.html 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:itno...@hotmail.com 7. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 9. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 10.
[LUTE] Re: Luthier , Engineered Best , Fastest , Cheapest
What is this bullshit??? A Bruno On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Mustafa Umut Sarac [1]mustafaumutsa...@gmail.com wrote: A Hello , A I am an luthier , archaeologist and inventor from Istanbul - Republic A of Turkey who is interested in solving slow production times of musical A instruments especially lutes and increase the quality of composite A instruments to a level impossible without new technologies. A I gave my 25 years to the composites and engineering of the dynamics of A instruments. A Here I want to introduce you to the new technics , softwares and A production A machines. A When you work with me , I will request only the engineered three A dimensional computer file license fee and send your file to rapid A production company. A You will pay to them not me. Its not expensive. A You will receive your instrument in one week . Please read below A written details and technologies and prepare your mind to the 21th A century. A I am starting this new kind of business which is invented at A Massachusetts Institute of Technology , NASA and some Australian A software manufacturers. A MIT students opened a new way to manufacture the instruments with high A precision , fastest manufacturing time . A And Australian Bell Company introduced the software simulation of A composite instrument sound , adjusting the partials with automatically A changing , optimising the shape and knowing all fatigue life of high A stress loaded parts. A Let me tell the story. Few years ago Australian government ordered to A the Australian Bell Company a new series of bells.These bells were A harmonic. History tells us bell makers are working to create a harmonic A bell more than 2000 years without success. A This company used first finite element analysis software developed by A NASA at sixties , NASTRAN. A You can find Nastran as used at Mercedes to calibrate the vibration A characteristics of the automobiles , trucks and even crash simulations. A This program analysis and simulates the final vibration of the A automobile and than optimise it. It can even decrease the final weight A of the piece by redesign it automatically. A You can find this software at 100 000 dollars worth turntables design. A Other software is ADVEA Shape Change. This software is another A intelligent technology and you can order to change the harmony of A partials as you need them and it changes the shape. A And they succeeded to manufacture first harmonic bell in 2000 years of A history. A How will be your lute manufactured in one week. A This is called rapid production or rapid prototyping. A There are many new companies which can produce thousand products in few A days A This technology uses printer technology. Printer jet hot ABS to the A surface and instrument come to life layers by layers. MIT students were A one of the first manufacturers of this idea , production of acoustic A guitars from ABS. A ABS is acoustically good , light and strong and eye appealing cream A colored plastic like wood. A Rapid prototyping machines are so fast and precise , they create scale A aircrafts to propellers to test for. A I have these softwares and I know how to use them . A If you have a plan drawing which you want to own , please send me a A private mail A [1][2]mustafaumutsa...@gmail.com A Best , A Mustafa Umut Sarac A Buyuksehir Camlik Caddesi B 17 A Blok A Daire 21 Beylikduzu 34520 Istanbul A Republic of Turkey A 90-212-8721893 A I prefer e mails and return at the same date. A -- References A 1. mailto:[3]mustafaumutsa...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne [5]www.estavel.org -- References 1. mailto:mustafaumutsa...@gmail.com 2. mailto:mustafaumutsa...@gmail.com 3. mailto:mustafaumutsa...@gmail.com 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Luciano Faria, Luthier
Hello all, A I had considered getting a medieval lute from him but had reservations.A First because he took over 3 months to respond to my initial email, then because of the distance and the risks associated with transportation.A A LauraA Maschi in Argentina might have some news. I believe she deals with him on occasion. A Laura, A?sabes donde se encuentra Luciano Fario? A parece que su telefono ya no funciona. A A -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne [1]www.estavel.org A On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Ed Durbrow [2]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp wrote: On May 13, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Bruno Correia wrote: A A I'll give him a call, let's see what's happening... I tried to call Luciano Faria on a conference call with a Brazilian friend a week or so ago and my friend said that the recorded message said that that phone number was no longer in existence. That number was: 55 19 3561 2912 Do you have a different number, Bruno? I sent an email too but have not heard back. The email address I have is: [3]lucianofa...@lucianofaria.com Does anyone have more recent contact info? I know several folks here have had problems getting in touch with him in the past. Any successes? I thought there were a couple of people who got their instruments and the conversation seemed to die down so I am saddened to hear there are still those who haven't. My friend Jake finally got his theorbo from him. That was last year. He told me Luciano's parents had both died in the year and so he cut him some slack. Anyone else here still out money and instrument? I was debating about sending my archlute all the way there for a repair. It's a moot point if I cannot get a hold of him though. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [4]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp [5]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne [7]www.estavel.org -- References 1. http://www.estavel.org/ 2. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 3. mailto:lucianofa...@lucianofaria.com 4. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 5. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: There is a traitor in our midst!
I agree with Rob, once you play guitar and lute, everything else becomes pretty easy; venezuelan cuatro, ukulele, bouzouki, banjo, etc I also find the same with winds, once you play a couple of flutes, all other wind instruments have fingerings that are about the same and you can pretty much fake it. Bruno [1]www.estavel.org On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Guy Smith [2]guy_m_sm...@comcast.net wrote: You could always try a gut bucket:-) Only one string to deal with and no frets to complicate choosing the right temperament (although I did see one last summer that had three strings). Guy -Original Message- From: [3]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi [mailto:[4]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:40 PM To: [5]luteplay...@googlemail.com; [6]jel...@cox.net Cc: lutelist Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: There is a traitor in our midst! On 1/18/2009, Rob MacKillop [7]luteplay...@googlemail.com wrote: Oh, they are all the same...lutes, guitars, vihuelas, ukuleles - just put your fingers where the tab tells you to, and hope for the best. I can't play any wind instruments (I faint) and I can't for the life of me understand the supposed logic of a keyboard. My job at Queen Margaret University allows me access to all sorts of instruments. We have at home just now a very expensive Roland sythesiser, with an unbelievable number of sounds. I tried playing it for an hour - almost went insane. Picked up my ukulele - ah, Heaven! Having only 4 courses/strings is a bless! With my ren. guitar - 4 courses - for ex. - the key doesn't matter much. The more courses, the more problems... :-) Best luck! And I guess simplicity will win the complexity... ;-) Arto To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne [9]www.estavel.org -- References 1. http://www.estavel.org/ 2. mailto:guy_m_sm...@comcast.net 3. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 4. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 5. mailto:luteplay...@googlemail.com 6. mailto:jel...@cox.net 7. mailto:luteplay...@googlemail.com 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Lutes were the earliest form of guitar developed in the thirteenth century
La bella lute strings...wow that brings back nightmares from the 70's incidentally they are still available: [1]http://www.juststrings.com/labellalute.html Bruno Cognyl-Fournier On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 7:38 PM, howard posner [2]howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: On Jan 12, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: I have the book and tried to read it, but when the main characted went to a local music shop for a set of lute strings I've realized the book was phony, and that was the end of it. It was possible in the past to get a prepackaged set of lute strings at music stores. I done seen them my own self, but I wasn't curious enough to inquire further. La Bella or D'Addario, I think. I couldn't tell you whether such things still exist. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne [4]www.estavel.org -- References 1. http://www.juststrings.com/labellalute.html 2. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Re : Re: restring?
this all left hand right hand stuff is all hogwash in my opinion. Left Handed Piano? why bother? on the assumption that the weakest hand plays the basses? didn't Ravel write a Piano concerto for the left hand only? As Miles said, instruments that require two hands should be required to play with equal dexterity. Who says the right on the guitar requires more dexterity than the left hand, its two totally different things. My left hand is not stronger than my right hand, yet I consider pushing down on the strings and playing bar chords more physical than plucking strings and definitely more physical than strumming. We play the instrument the way we were shown how to play it. I know a Venezuelan woman who plays left handed cuatro, without reversing the strings, although I believe she is right handed ( I will find out)...simply because her nanny played that way it is not the weakest or strongest hand that dictates how you play, it just turns out that way and how the instruments were designed. Bruno Right handed lutenist who wishes he could play left hand, cause his left hand is slowly getting crippled due to disease I may be forced one day to learn how to play the other way around... On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:33 PM, [1]dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: On Fri, Jan 9, 2009, alexander [2]voka...@verizon.net said: Recorders, earlier ones, now often called renaissance, were designed to be played with the left hand in the upper or lower position. still are. When keys for lower notes are fitted the tails are designed to be used ambidexstrously; when fingers will reach the lower holes two are used, each the equal of the other, the disused one is plugged with red wax. Cork is not much used on woodwinds until much later than the renaissance (Renaissance key-pads are commonly leather, joints are thread-lapped). -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne [4]www.estavel.org -- References 1. mailto:dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us 2. mailto:voka...@verizon.net 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re:
Might sound a little bit better if the charango was in tune. -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne [1]www.estavel.org On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 7:59 AM, jean-michel Catherinot [2]jeanmichel.catheri...@yahoo.com wrote: Just to begin 2009, with a little fresh air from Switzerland. That's TRUE cross-over, i'snt it? [1][3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTjketVnPX8 -- References 1. [4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTjketVnPX8 To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.estavel.org/ 2. mailto:jeanmichel.catheri...@yahoo.com 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTjketVnPX8 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTjketVnPX8 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Deep Purple
Yep I think this calls for a CD of lute duets and songs with Sting. Bruno On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 6:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last year FIngerstyle Guitar Magazine #61 had an interview with Blackmore as well as two arrangements. I don't remember if they were originals in Renaissance style or transcriptions of period music. Brad Little -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne [3]www.estavel.org -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] wound strings in 120 CM length
Can anyone give me the address of Pyramid and any other string supplier that would have strings in lengths of 120 cm or more. I have just finished modifying one of my old lutes into a small theorbized lute (tiorbino) but not small enough to accept my standard wound strings. thx -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] info on Romanian lutebuilder
Anyone have information on Giorgy Lorinczi, lute builder in Romania. He is offering me a 5 course medieval lute at 1000 Euros. Quelqu'un a des renseignements sur le luthier Girgy Lorinczi? il m'offre un lute médiéval à 1000 Euros. thx -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Help request...
I may have it, I will look... Bruno On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Jean-Marie, There is an article by Colin Slim in _Early Music_ on this subject. I can provide details if need be. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: Jean-Marie Poirier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 May 2008 11:00 To: lute Subject: [LUTE] help request... Dear collective wisdom, I am looking for an article from an old Journal of the Lute Society of America, vol. 5, 1972, by Daniel Heartz entitled Mary Magdalen, Lutenist. If someone among you has this volume and is ready to help me, could he/she scan it and send it to me on my personal mailbox, indicated at the bottom of this message. Thank you in advance for your precious help and have a good day ! Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23-05-2008 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org --
[LUTE] Re: Faria
Hi, He replied to me after several weeks, just recently, I was inquiring about a medieval lute, but his advertised prices on the Web are way lower than what they really are...so I am still debating if I will order a medieval lute from him. There is less advantage for me to look a for a lute so far away if the price is going to be the same as in North America or Europe. cheers. Bruno On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Luca Manassero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, yes, I did. He answered a couple of questions back in October... I was about to buy his Baroque lute, the one he shows on his site, but in the end I didn't. Happy Easter, Luca Mayes, Joseph on 21-03-2008 19:53 wrote: I know he periodically vanishes, and there's probably no cause for alarm, but has anyone heard from Luciano Faria in the last several months? Joseph Mayes To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org --
[LUTE] Re: How to become a great lute player...
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Joseph Mayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..and I have been wasting all this time twisting those darn pegs. On 3/13/08 8:34 AM, Lindberg Richard-MGIA0539 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yuch! -Original Message- From: Rob MacKillop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:10 AM To: Gernot Hilger Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: How to become a great lute player... .uuurrrggghhh On 13/03/2008, Gernot Hilger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. even if you don't bother to tune the axe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3obSs3fwu8 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- TOO funny, It must be all those strings, What was the saying, was it T. Mace that said a lutenist spent half his life tuning the damn thing...I guess this guy has not spent half his life yet -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org --
[LUTE] info on Raul Perez luthier
Hello all lutenetters, I do not often post, although I have been following the lutelist for many years. As some of you know, I have been playing renaissance lute for over 30 years. The last time I had a lute made for me was back in 1981,and although I've had to modify it with the ages to make it more suitable, it remains a pretty heavy lute. For the last 10 years, I have been involved primarily with medieval music, and for lack of funds, have been playing on either my renaissance lute, a moroccan oud, or a turkish laouta. I am at the point where I really would like to buy myself a 5 course medieval lute. The price has to be fairly low, as music is just a hobby now and cannot justify such an expense easily. Last year I met with Laura Maschi ( an argentinian lute player) in Paris, who pointed out the agentinian luthier Raul Perez. www.raulperezluthier.com I have contacted him, and he quotes me a price of 1500 US without the case, and a 12 month wait. He proposes a 50 cm string length, 5 courses after Arnold De Zwolle I would like to know if anyone has ever dealt with him, seen or played his lutes. I am looking for information on his reliability, quality of craftsmanship and generallly overall impression of his lutes. The other factor which I have to take in consideration is the climate of Argentina , versus the climate in Canada. In the summer we have high humidity levels, which I guess are probably as high as Patagonia, however the winters are pretty dry, hence the lute might be at risk of developing cracks more easily. Any advice and or information would be of help. I have posted two pics of his medieval lute at http://estavel.no-ip.org/lutepics thank you -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: small archlute tuning suggestions
Thx for replying, Well I never liked that 10 course, so I said what the heck, lets try something else with that. Unfortunately I was limited to the original 59 cm on the fingerboard without undergoing major surgery. Yes I'm kind of tempted by the Tiorbino idea, I understand it is quite an interesting sound but if If I go with re-entrant in vieil ton, I would only do the first course, I guess its worth a try. anyone else has any thoughts? Bruno On Nov 23, 2007 12:43 PM, Daniel Winheld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 59 cm and thinking of it as an archlute, why not plain old G tuning and call it a day? The reentrant tunings sound counterproductive or inappropriate for that size instrument. Don't know about the tiorbino idea. Funny thing, I too have an old 10 course out for an archthing conversion- it will be about 63cm plus whatever- I plan on ordinary vielle ton + extra basses typical for a G archlute, but at A=415, maybe 392. Let us know how the tiorbino thing works if you have the nerve to try it! -Dan Hello, I have recently converted my 10 course Renaissance lute, into a small 13 course archlute. String length of first 6 couses ( doubled exept for 1st) = 59 cm while the Single basses 7 through 13 are 101 cm. I am looking for suggestions on how I should tune it and string gauges...I plan to use as much gut as possible. Should I: a) try reentrant tuning in G ( 1st course and/or 2nd course) b) reentrant tuning in A c) or tune like a Tiorbino ( using traditional renaissance tuning with 4th to 13th course tuned an octave up, therefore creating re-entrant tuning but all up one octave...) Any one played in the latter tuning? -- -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] small archlute tuning suggestions
Hello, I have recently converted my 10 course Renaissance lute, into a small 13 course archlute. String length of first 6 couses ( doubled exept for 1st) = 59 cm while the Single basses 7 through 13 are 101 cm. I am looking for suggestions on how I should tune it and string gauges...I plan to use as much gut as possible. Should I: a) try reentrant tuning in G ( 1st course and/or 2nd course) b) reentrant tuning in A c) or tune like a Tiorbino ( using traditional renaissance tuning with 4th to 13th course tuned an octave up, therefore creating re-entrant tuning but all up one octave...) Any one played in the latter tuning? thx -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: vertical dyslexia?
In my case, its called getting old and myopic.If I dont have the music or tablature at 2 arms length away from me, I see everything double. Problem is that the stupid reading glasses they give you are never made for being able to read from a music stand sitting a few feet away from you and low... The solution is to learn all your music by heart so when you play in concert you don't look totally confused. and of course, you can then drink as many pints as you want, as long as it doesn't impair anything else but your vision I by the way also have the same problem if I look at my strings, instead of double strings, I now see 4 stringsso again, not looking is the best solution. I recently bought a Santoor that I play in my medieval group, and it has 4 strings per note.fun when you are trying to hit the damn things with tiny little hammers and there I'm sorry, but I have to look... So I guess I will have to bring the Santoor to my next appointment with my optician, so he can make me glasses that will allow me to see the instrument properly. Bruno On 5/16/07, bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you'awl may laugh and joke but i've got dyslexia big time and i simply can not - not WILL not - but CAN not .. read music - in both tabs and notation. i can forge through a melody, note by note but it's a long and painful process. i only really know a piece when i hear it. (godbless midi and mp3.) i happened to hear an interview once with joanna lumley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_Lumley) in which she said she'd tried many times to do it but simply couldn't - even with encouragement from her conductor husband, stephen barlow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Barlow). i play better now, aged 60, than i ever did when i was kid but i still can't read a note. - bill http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org
[LUTE] Re: vertical dyslexia?
thx for the tip.Not having ever had a pair of glasses for vision in my life, I went to see an optician and I had a pair of glasses made for my presbyopic condition , 2 years, ago, not realizing after paying a few 100$ that they were made for reading under normal arm extension. Even though I had told the optician that I found reading music difficult on a music stand So 200$ ( canadian ) down the tube and of course those pharmacy glasses aren't any better, cheaper but not better. So now my only hope is to go back in there with my music stand and lute and tell him this where my music sits and this where I sit. and some of those Scholar editions of Dufay and Landini ( I do a lot of medieval music) are really hard to read.. cheers Bruno On 5/16/07, Guy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a member in good standing of the presbyopic set, I highly recommend getting a set of glasses specifically designed for music reading (i.e., tuned for 18 or so). I got some about three years ago, and they make reading music much easier, especially when the damned publisher uses a microscopic typeface. They cost around $100 and were well worth the cost. Guy -Original Message- From: Bruno Fournier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:59 PM To: bill kilpatrick Cc: Lute Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: vertical dyslexia? In my case, its called getting old and myopic.If I dont have the music or tablature at 2 arms length away from me, I see everything double. Problem is that the stupid reading glasses they give you are never made for being able to read from a music stand sitting a few feet away from you and low... The solution is to learn all your music by heart so when you play in concert you don't look totally confused. and of course, you can then drink as many pints as you want, as long as it doesn't impair anything else but your vision I by the way also have the same problem if I look at my strings, instead of double strings, I now see 4 stringsso again, not looking is the best solution. I recently bought a Santoor that I play in my medieval group, and it has 4 strings per note.fun when you are trying to hit the damn things with tiny little hammers and there I'm sorry, but I have to look... So I guess I will have to bring the Santoor to my next appointment with my optician, so he can make me glasses that will allow me to see the instrument properly. Bruno On 5/16/07, bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you'awl may laugh and joke but i've got dyslexia big time and i simply can not - not WILL not - but CAN not .. read music - in both tabs and notation. i can forge through a melody, note by note but it's a long and painful process. i only really know a piece when i hear it. (godbless midi and mp3.) i happened to hear an interview once with joanna lumley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_Lumley) in which she said she'd tried many times to do it but simply couldn't - even with encouragement from her conductor husband, stephen barlow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Barlow). i play better now, aged 60, than i ever did when i was kid but i still can't read a note. - bill http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org
[LUTE] Re: Stung Again
And how long have you been playing in Duluth now Ed? , frankly I think the Minnesota ballet should be ashamed of not having heard this music before Sting released it. Sting may have put Early music on the map for the general population, but it still makes me sick to my stomach that we have been doing this now for 30 years ( it will be 30 years next year since you and I met up at Guitar 78) with hardly any recognition. Bruno On 3/31/07, Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To add to the thread, I was consulted by the Minnesota Ballet today. One of the company's choreographers contacted consulted me today about a dance they are going to do they had heard the Sting album, and met with me in terms of a dance production. It will be a modern dance, with music of Dowland. They were intrigued by the music, and wanted to learn more about Dowland. Ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org
[LUTE] Re: re gut strings
Hello all, I myself have been playing lute for close to 25 years, but am not a professional musician. I find that for my personal use, and the occasional concerts that I give, a combination of Sofracob strings and Savarez , works out best for me, both in an economical sense and a practical one. I play a renaissance 8 course, and have an 10 course that has been modified as an 11 course ( soon to be modified again as a tiorbato). Diapason is 59 cm on the 8 course. I use a Savarez KF on the first string, then Sofracob gut from the 2nd course through the 4 th course, followed by Savarez copper wound combined with a the octave as a Sofracob gut string on the remaining courses. Contrary to Ed's remark ( Hi Ed, I have once again changed jobs and might occasionally be travelling to Minnesota. I'll be sure to come and see you if I can, haven't met up with you since 1980 or so???), I find that my gut strings do not change so much in tuning, could be the climate hereand also what I like, is that if I have to change a string, it doesn't take so long to adjust to pitch and doesn't stretch as much as a nylon string. I like the feel of gut on my fingers, and I also find the sound less twangy Now, if I only could find the right gauge of gut strings for my Algerian Oud...that would be great ( and more authentic for playing the Oud in my medieval ensemble.), as so far I am stuck with playing on Savarez Oud strings. cheers Bruno On 2/8/07, Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew, Edward, Stephen and All I agree whole-heartedly with Edward's message, I am but an amateur, and in a way amateurs have an advantage over professionals. The difficulty with gut (as suggested by Ed.) is mainly when a large concert room fills up with people and the humidity suddenly jumps up (as we saw with Jakob Lindberg in London). Indeed, I can almost predict the weather, and have no need for a barometer, as the change in tension of my gut strings often allows me to predict whether I am going to need an umbrella! I think a number of professional lutists use nylgut or similar when playing in public, for that reason; but then when they record use gut. Jacob Heringman does that, according to his Ed Durbrow interview. Certainly, Jakob Lindberg has used loaded gut diapasons (explicitly stated in his Dowland record) and his Rauwolf was strung in gut. Paul O'Dette used to use gut on his Renaissance lute records when he recorded for Astrée CNRS, and so did Hopkinson Smith. As an amateur, I can usually avoid these extreme changes, and if like myself, you are not a very good lutist, you need all the help you can get. A very well sounding lute strung in gut will sound so pleasant even when playing a few notes. There is also the touch of the strings. Gut strings react in a very different way even to nylgut. The top strings are a problem and I must admit I recently compromised by using a top string in nylgut. The cost (over a few years) on one lute is not as bad as it first appears. The lower strings do last a very long time. Of course, if you have a whole collection of lutes, the problem is obviously greater. However, I personally feel that, on a Renaissance lute, gut is almost mandatory for the diapasons (gimped work too), if you don't want the bass voice to drown-out the higher voices (this always tends to happen with metal wounds, or the player must constantly damp these strings). If you can use gut throughout, the voices become so well balanced, and the sound of the strings more homogenous, I agree with Martin that the 5th string sounds beautiful. It is of course more difficult to make the heavier 6 and 7 diapasons sing, but I think technique develops to help this, and at least you don't have to keep damping them. Martin Shepherd (I think) suggested using a slightly thinner diapason than usual and a slightly thicker octave, so as to achieve the same overall course tension. I often hear lutes strung in fluour-carbon and I always feel they begin to sound like mandolins. I do feel nylgut is a much better compromise,. Perhaps, on a Baroque lute the situation might be a little different. The much higher cost of the strings could become problematic. Nevertheless, when I visited Stephen Gottlieb's atelier a couple of years ago, he had a 14 course swan-neck lute entirely strung in gut, and I must admit that the sound was superb. If Ed says gut is possible on a Baroque lute, when I finally oder my 11 course, for the French Baroque music that I love, I will just have to use gut. However, as yet, I have never lived with a gut strung Baroque lute, so I don't know how great the problems may be. I am told that the greater string lengths and tensions do become a problem and do cause very expensive string breakage. However, the solution may be to use lower tensions. There was a thread recently (I believe begun my Martin Shepherd) about the advantages of lutes strung at
[LUTE] Re: North Dowland vol 2
should we send the link to Sting? Of course it may not be half as good as Sting's Album Bruno On 12/12/06, Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just saw in at Amazon, but in Germany. It ought to be out soon in the USA. ed At 05:56 AM 12/12/2006 -0500, Daniel Shoskes wrote: Nigel's second Dowland album just got posted to iTunes: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum? id=206609123s=143441 The focus is on Dowland's Tears, with a set of his melancholy pieces. (title could also be the punch line to several Sting related jokes, but darn it, I'm MOVING ON). DS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202 -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org
[LUTE] Re: Sting!
and Pat O'Brien I think, but all of these people waited till they knew how to play the instrument before they put out CD's On 11/24/06, Bernd Haegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and Bailes :-) - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 2:40 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Sting! And Barto. RT - Original Message - From: EUGENE BRAIG IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:35 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Sting! - Original Message - From: gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, November 24, 2006 4:51 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Sting! Wasn't the illustrious Paul O'Dette a rock guitarist before taking up the lute? ..as well as McFarlane. Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 23.11.2006 -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org
[LUTE] Re: Sting!
I definitely would prefer to hear Diana Krall, she has a wonderful voice, and a jazzed up Dowland, would be at least more original than an out of tune Sting take on it... regards Bruno On 11/24/06, David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 24, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Oh, Roman, Roman---!! Diana Krall is a great jazz singer (lives in NYC, married to Elvis Costello), with a delivery that would rock with Flow My Tears (aka Cry Me A River?)! Here's a stray thought: I'd like to hear Diana Krall's take on Dowland songs (that is if she keeps performing after her twins are born). As a father of twins I wish her luck, whoever she is. David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rastallmusic.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org
[LUTE] Re: Sting!
So on top of that, Sting cannot even ENUNCIATE in his own language. as for the awakening the sleeping interest we can all gain for, I am confident the lute community, which includes me, does not need Sting to awake the sleeping interest.I personally woke up in 1978, long before any pop artist even had heard of the lute. and frankly I now have nightmares when I think of Sting singing Dowland... regards Bruno lutenist since 28 BS (.28 Years before Sting of course BS also stands for Bull S) On 11/23/06, Ulf Dalnäs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all! I am new to this list and usually I am not a besserwisser but the first line you refered to is: Have you seen but a bright lily grow Before rude hands have touched it? That is also the original poem of Ben Jonson, Listen to it carefully and you will hear. And i think the record will - mostly the lute part of course - wake some sleeping interest that we all can gain from. Thats all from now, from a dark and rainy west-coast of Sweden (Goteborg). Best regards, Ulf 23 nov 2006 kl. 21.19 skrev Howard Posner: On Thursday, Nov 23, 2006, at 06:53 America/Los_Angeles, Roman Turovsky wrote: Or did Sting want to sing Have you seen the THE white in the opening line. It has a sort of hip-hop scratching effect. They should maybe have listened to the CD before they pressed it, but maybe should not be so hard on amateurs:) best wishes Mark I have no idea what you've been listening to. My copy has BRIGHT LILY, rather than WHITE. The cut on the NPR web site does indeed have Have you seen thethe bright lily grow. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org
[LUTE] Re: Sting!
This is getting more and more ridiculoushe should be ashamed of presenting this to the world regards Bruno On 11/22/06, Bernd Haegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some more stuff, don't know whether it was posted before ... http://teledyski.onet.pl/10172,1713479,teledyski.html best wishes Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org
[LUTE] Re: Sting!
what I think is that he really is full of himself. I used to like Sting for the stuff he is good at. And I guess I still like him, however I find it appalling and inconsiderate for the people who have been playing this music for years (like myself) and have been outdone by someone who simply has more money than he needs, and who is going to be looked upon as a genius by the millions of people who have no clue to what this music is about. It really isn't fair. If he ever comes to Montreal to perform this stuff, I really hope the lutenists around me are going to tell him what we think. Bruno On 11/22/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In einer eMail vom 23.11.2006 00:43:50 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is getting more and more ridiculoushe should be ashamed of presenting this to the world regards Bruno Dear Bruno. Don't get frustrated, try starting your day with a word of wisdom from the zen master The Sting quote of the day at www.sting.com Try it sometime, it will give you a warm and happy glow the whole day long. For instance. What surprises me is that people see me as arrogant. To a certain extent, I am, but any artist worth his salt has arrogance. It's a prerequisite of being stage-worthy. You have to have a certain air of 'watch me, because I'm really good'. STING Not bad, but wait till you read this. I do like intellectualism. I do find it stimulating. I like reading involved books. I like complex music even though I'm a pop musician. I'm not just happy making simple music; I need some kind of acerbic, difficult quality to it somewhere. STING But my absolute favorite must be I don't often look back at my work and ponder its significance. You might find that difficult to believe, but I don't. I'm too worried about what I'm going to do next. STING Yes we all do find it very, very, very dificult to believe that you don't ponder on your own significance. But we are still in awe of that 'watch me, because I'm really good' mantra The only thing I can say is thank you for bringing a ray of sunshine into our lives every single day. OMM SHANTI Peace brothers Mark -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: East European renaissance lute music in staff notation
I would not mind doing the conversion, could be an interesting project. Are they all available on your site Roman? Are the sources documented too? am always interested in discovering new music. Bruno www.estavel.org On 11/4/06, Michal Gondko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the truth is that most of it is out of print for many years now and circulates at best in xerox copies. If you are very lucky you may find something in antiquarian bookstores. Good music libraries might have some titles. PWM has an anthology of Eastern European lute music which is available online. M On 11/4/06 11:23 AM, Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel is quite proper in hesitating to attribute the pieces to Bartolomiej Pekiel, a prominent Polish composer of sacred music (d. ca. 1670). The pieces are from a manuscript formerly in Gdansk (Danzig) and are simply titled B.P., which stands for Balletto Polacho, not Bart. Pekiel. The manuscript might even date from before Pekiel was born. But it's a good source for Polish dances. Other composers, some already mentioned, would be Valentin Bakfark (Hungarian lutenist working in Poland), Diomedes Cato, Caspar Polack, Albert Dlugoraj. All are available in modern editions with transcripions into modern notation. VB by Daniel Benko, and most of the others ed. Pietr Pozniak. The edition Daniel was refering to may be found in the series Wydawnictwo dawnej muzyki polskiej vols. 30 and 62. Vol. 30 uses the Schrade method of transcrption, and was wisely withdrawn and redone in conventional notation as vol. 62. The pieces are also available in an edition by Ochs euphemistically for lute tuned in E (or guitarg). To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org
[LUTE] Re: panduri sakartvelo
nope don't work here anyone having the problem ? will try from work tomorow... regards On 10/19/06, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested but your links do not work, or rather they freeze up both Firefox and Internet Explorer can you check on this? regards Bruno Just did that. All seems to work fine. RT For the connaisseurs of spicy food: I have a pair of 11th century Georgian hymns arranged for baroque lute, + one of then in an archlute version, at http://polyhymnion.org/swv/sakartvelo/index.html Enjoy, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier www.estavel.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier www.estavel.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
