Re: [MBZ] weenies
Why wouldn't you want to take your 300TD to 80? Thats not really all that fast considering what the car is capable of. On mornings where I was late to work I'd take the 240D to the limit and hold it there for half an hour or more. Of course thats only like 75mph but it never felt unstable at speed. Now with the 190D I've been able to get up to around 80mph but traffic during my commutes has precluded any higher speed. Planning a run down to Hartford in a couple weeks which should allow me to test the upper limits of the 2.2l diesel. -Curt '85 190D Dory 234kmi Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:19:25 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] weenies To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I rented a Hyundai Sonata this weekend and cruised effortlessly at 80 on I-91 between Hartrod and Hadley, MAe. I felt secure too, whereas I wouldn't want to cruise at that speed in my '83 300TD no matter how great a car it is. I think the technology and improvements ergonomics makes the newer cars inherently safer. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 08 00:04:09 2006 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([216.148.227.154]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FGm9x-0007VR-7P for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:04:09 + Received: from ringbill.gull.us (gull.us[24.18.9.231]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with ESMTP id 20060308000405m1400gkf0se; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 00:04:05 + Received: from [69.88.113.178] (helo=[192.168.1.105]) by ringbill.gull.us with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51 (FreeBSD)) id 1FGm9m-000N6E-KT for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:04:00 -0800 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:03:59 -0800 From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050715) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.7 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system ringbill.gull.us, has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details. Content preview: andrew strasfogel wrote: Don't get me wrong. I feel VERY secure in my 300TD but at 80 it's a bit loud, shall we say. It's all relative. My previous cars have been a VW Bus, a Ford van with bad door seals, a Honda Civic, a VW Vanagon, and a Volvo 240. The Mercedes is like a tomb compared to most of those, with relatively little wind noise at speed. I have heard some people say they don't like the sound of the engine at that speed, that it sounds like it's straining, but that's just the way diesels sound at high RPM. [...] Content analysis details: (-4.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description -- -- -3.3 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.] 1.2 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] weenies X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:04:09 - andrew strasfogel wrote: Don't get me wrong. I feel VERY secure in my 300TD but at 80 it's a bit loud, shall we say. It's all relative. My previous cars have been a VW Bus, a Ford van with bad door seals, a Honda Civic, a VW Vanagon, and a Volvo 240. The Mercedes is like a tomb compared to most of those, with relatively little wind noise at speed. I have heard some people say they don't like the sound of the engine
Re: [MBZ] HOLY CRAP
David Brodbeck wrote: Ebay will let you make a second chance offer to the second highest bidder. Usually that's what the seller goes for in that situation. I used to tell ebay to display the bidders list with emails and save it off immediately before the auction closed. Don't know if you can still do that now, I haven't sold anything on flea-bay for a few years. They like to email warnings to ebay users that if a seller makes them a non-ebay offer he's some kind of criminal and ahould be reported to them, but I really don't see what they could do about it. Mitch
Re: [MBZ] R-12 Freon
I've had good luck with it. I've been using it as a test refridgerent for almost 8 months now. And for your convienence, in the same car with no problems. No affiliation at all with envirosafe. - Original Message - From: Anthony Galioto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 Freon Does anyone know anything about this product Enviro-Safe. I came across it on the web. The sell small cans , I don't know if it's any good or not. It may be worth a look at their site. http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm Anthony On 3/7/06, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried the autofrost in one car. If you use that stuff, better make real sure that your system is completely leak free. It ran great for a week, by 3 weeks it was empty. Switched it to r134 and it went a year and a half before having to add any.Didn't notice any temp difference out the vents between the autofrost and the r134a, and this is in Arkansas ( read that real hot :-) --Robert Mitch Haley wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: Never convert anything to R134a that you care about. Keep it R12, or use any of the fine mineral-oil-compatible R12 substitutes out there. The PAG/POE oils are evil hygroscopic compressor-killers. I spend about $7 to recharge one of our systems using a test refrigerant. It can work even better than R12, if not in the deep South. If you are in the deep south and want maximum cooling, try this: http://www.refrigerantsales.com/st_af.html I believe a 9.6oz can of autofrost is supposed to equal a 12oz freon. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Anthony ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] HOLY CRAP
Mitch Haley wrote: They like to email warnings to ebay users that if a seller makes them a non-ebay offer he's some kind of criminal and ahould be reported to them, but I really don't see what they could do about it. I think they just don't want people dodging the fees and/or the feedback system. I've gotten kind of annoyed lately at the volume of mail I get from people asking me to cancel the auction and sell to them immediately. I don't operate that way, but I'll get half a dozen or so for every item I post.
Re: [MBZ] OT Ebay sux hates Mac users
The G3 was an upgrade from the old PowerTower with a G3 card -- I refuse to pay more than $300 for what amounts to an appliance/toy. Lightening got both serial ports, so I couldn't get on line or print. Else it still works great. I bought a parts Wallstreet 300 MHz laptop last year to replace my 1400cs because the 1400 was too slow running Word for note taking at my brewer's club. Otherwise it works fine for most of what I want to do. The Wallstreet, circa 1999, works perfectly (new hard drive) and even plays DVD movies well enough. The Beige is fast enough for the photography I do, and I'm limited in internet access by dialup anyway, so I'm fine I have a selection, and have also given some away -- the 6100 went to a friend who wanted to get back into graphic design -- slow but it works. I also have a Mac IIfx -- quite a beast. Was $10,000 new in 1991, without monitor or keyboard. Still runs fine (with 24M of ram, believe it or not) -- was used to do the beer club newletter until a couple years ago when the monitor died. Had to put a new hard drive in it, but otherwise it runs great. Also a couple Perfomas --6360 (only new Mac I've bought) and an older one I forget the number on. Got a PowerTower for my brother, but he never used it, sitting in his basement with a 166 MHz PC card in it. Macs work so much better, most of the time, than PCs (and even OS 7.5.3 is MUCH more stable) that they work fine for most things. Mind you, I appreciate the speed, and would rather have a newer machine, but then I'm stuck with a pile of SCSI peripherals. Peter
Re: [MBZ] 1981 240D $1000
Spent considerable time trying to find something on the Internet under Steel, composition etc ... nothing looked at failures shows even stainless steel can have internal corrosion. Which is news to me today: I know low grade SS will rust http://pubs.acs.org/cen/topstory/8007/8007notw4.html I recalled a bridge collapse, where internal parts of the steel had small pockets of rust, later making crack and then the break comes I should say, there are impurities in the steel in small pockets which start the process of corrosion and then rust. Guess rust can be an impurity too not complete remove by not being burned off Bill 1980 300 TD John Berryman wrote: On Mar 7, 2006, at 4:08 PM, Bill Gallagher wrote: When steel is manufactured, a portion of scrap steel, is added to the furnace... therefore, steel already has rust in it internally and will rust from the inside towards the outside No car is rust free . Bill I was always under the impression that any rust would just be burned off in the process. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] R-12 Freon
Jim Cathey wrote: I think it's about the same as the homebrew test refrigerant. (Which I have been pleased with.) Yep, I'm pretty sure it's propane/isobutane, sure enough I'm not going to look it up. I was surprised a couple of years ago when I called a gas dealer to buy propane and isobutatne by the refrigerant numbers (R290=propane R600a=iso) that they wanted several dollars a pound for refrigerant grade hydrocarbons. Furnace grade propane has a bit of H2O in it, as well as a nasty stink ingredient for leak detection, so it's less than ideal, but the idea of paying three figures for a 20lb can of R290 propane makes me choke.
Re: [MBZ] 1981 240D $1000
When steel is manufactured, a portion of scrap steel, is added to the furnace... therefore, steel already has rust in it internally and will rust from the inside towards the outside No car is rust free . Steel isn't dug out of the ground, rust is. (And other compounds.) If there is any rust left after the smelting they did something wrong. Yes, no car is rust free. (Except this 240D, I was underneath today and saw nothing bad at all. OK, the exhaust pipe is rusty.) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 1983 300D - Glow Plug Light Problem
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good Morning, On my way to work this morning I had a problem starting my car and noticed the glow plug light did not come on. I turned the key on and off several times and the glow plug light came on every 3rd or 4th time. The car finally started and I made it to work on time. I never had any issues like this before. Is this symptomatic of bad glow plugs or should I look at something else? Thanks in advance! You probably have at least 2 bad plugs. I'd replace the 80A fuse too. Unlikely to be anything else (but tiny chance it could be). The dash light behaving as it did means NOTHING except that the preglow system requires service! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] weenies
Oh heck yes. People would be much better to have the kind of understanding of vehicles and the dynamics of driving and handling it that one gains messing around with cars growing up. I'm going to invoke wrath from at least one list member, but oh well. Women don't inherently understand the foregoing. Some are better than others. I know a few that basically understand the steering wheel, and the go and stop pedals. They just press go until reaching an obstacle, then lean on the brake until there's room to accelerate again. There's no sense of tracking in one's lane, no sense of reaching a cruising speed and maintaining, rather than being constantly on and off the acclerator. No sense of planning ahead when a stop is coming up, rather than rushing up then standing on the brake pedal. What is truly harrowing is to see a girl of all of about 17 talking on the phone in a full size SUV and riding my ass blissfully. When I lived in Phoenix, I would daily hear reports on the radio of single-car rollover accidents. It is beyond me how *every day* people manage to put their vehicles in their tops without much help from anyone else. Boggles the mind. And you thought you ranted, Randy. Brian 83 240D On 3/7/06, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And sadly, the daily papers have photos of the carnage on a daily basis. It appears that people believe the abs and airbags will save them no matter how poorly they drive. It was slippery here yesterday with some fresh blowing snow etc. The paper this morning showed a single photo with 3 vehicles in the ditch - 2 cars and an SUV, on its roof. I believe the paper said the SUV had rolled several times. Now one must ask, how fast was the driver going in order to accomplish that and why didn't they understand that it was likely slippery and they should slow down? The driver likely has a college education and is considered to be fairly intelligent - just no common sense. It is too easy to get a new car and there are no real consequences to wrecking it. If you make good money, you don't care if your insurance goes up a bit. Silly, and frightening. I don't want one of these careless dweebs to kill me or one of my family members. Done ranting for now. Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 3:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] weenies You know, I've quite often wondered about that: The auto industry is producing some pretty powerful stuff these days (where in the past, didn't one really have to specifically purchase a performance car in order to get one - i.e. a muscle car, etc.)? Today there are regular sedans approaching 300 hp. Each and every driver of such cars has the ability to push that pedal as far as they choose. But as you touched upon, I doubt 90% of them know the consequenses. Throw thousands of these folks together, and it's a marvel we don't have even more accidents. Brian 83 240D On 3/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do people have performance cars and drive like weenies? The ones who have been owners for a while may feel they have nothing to prove. The car says it all. There are, however, plenty of buyers of performance status cars of the day who really shouldn't have one. They are the ones who realize that the thing is not a race car after all as they head off into the weeds. RLE ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Thump stops when braking
Alan Duff wrote: Bought a '83 300D a couple of weeks ago with the odo showing 125k, which may be right based on the interior condition. Plan on making it a daily driver as I just spent $1,000 for a rebuilt fuel distributor and governor on my '91 300CE and it needs some more things. Parts are expensive on small production run cars. On the 300D there is a thump that sounds almost like a knot on the tire but it stops with firm braking. The brake wear indicator light in on and the front pads do need replacing but thy are not in the metal, with a little less than 1/4 inch of pad showing. My guess is a warped rotor. Another point, the car looks to have had a front end collision. It is a new repaint but the hood fit shows some body work has been done on the front fenders. Any ideas? Excessive wheel bearing play or a wheel not tightly attached can do what you report. If the front rotors are below 10.6 mm they could be the problem and will need to be replaced. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] weenies
Zoltan Finks wrote: When I lived in Phoenix, I would daily hear reports on the radio of single-car rollover accidents. It is beyond me how *every day* people manage to put their vehicles in their tops without much help from anyone else. Boggles the mind. Suddenly Upsidedown Vehicles? Running some of those trucks into the ditch at speed will tip them right over when a car would just keep going.
Re: [MBZ] weenies
Most SUV and minivan type vehicles on a truck chassis (and pickup trucks, particularly the VERY tall ones currently popular), will overturn if sliding on wet or icy pavement when they hit a crub. They can also roll over in accidents, even fairly minor ones (lots of pics in the paper of minivans upside-down). Very unsafe, should never have been allowed to be sold to the public. Minor road disturbances or potholes will cause them to flip under hard cornering or braking, and dropping a wheel off the pavement will usually cause a rollover. The foolish things people buy... I've got a young friend salivating over a Land Rover Freelander (he's a grad student, of all things) -- bad case of extra testosterone, I think. Must have a new girlfriend or something. I won't ever buy one, that's for sure -- for one thing, I've never even been stuck in snow other than the time I parked in a snowdrift I didn't see -- no need for four wheel drive even. Peter
Re: [MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices
John W. Reames III wrote: That chart seems a bit off; I've been consistently paying $2.459 for it just south of the Md/VA border on US15 That is one of the cheaper places to buy diesel in Virginia. Over in Fairfax you'll pay much more and less over just north of Winchester on US 522. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Tightness
Zoltan Finks wrote: Ah. I get the picture. I was walking away from the computer when this thought hit me: If equal traction in the tires - frnt. vs. rear - is critical, then those with big fat tires in the rear and skinnier ones in the front must be really putting themselves at risk. A car CAN be engineered to handle properly with different tires front and rear, but it takes some pretty extensive engineering and testing to make it work. Mercedes engineered most of their cars to handle best with identical tires on all four corners and they tell you that in the owner's manual. You HAVE read the owner's manual haven't you? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata
No riled - just defending my baby. Any proud parent would. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata I was not expecting to rile anybody since I drive two diesels and a classic coupe - all with the tristar on the hood - and their combined age is 83 years! I only meant to say that the new Hyundai reached and cruised at 80 with relative ease. On 3/7/06, BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew - Have to add my bit - I drive my 1981 300SD at 80 MPH frequently on I95 [slower is often dangerous]. It is rock solid and responsive. I would rather drive it that way than my wife's Infinity, which she [unfortunately] usually drives 10 - 15 MPH faster [never a ticket, she has some odd internal radar detector that has never failed] The Infinity will definitely handle those speeds easily, and could certainly out run my SD, but we both think the SD rides better. Guess you suspected to get a bit of dander up from this list with that comparison, though. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 'EM' 272k miles ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Tightness
David Brodbeck wrote: That's not a terrible situation because it tends to encourage understeer, which most people find controllable. When you can get yourself in trouble is when you have worse traction in back -- for example, two new tires in front and two relatively bald ones in the back, on a wet road. Then you're likely to get ambushed in a corner. Another NASTY situation is two summer tires with plenty of tread up front and two studded snows on the rear on a WET surface. Talk about the rear trying to pass the front of the car! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
[MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). Now that my personal archives have been wiped out, I will need to ask it again: Do the klattas (specifically, the 83 240D) have any sort of limited slip in the rear differential? I suppose I'll find out eventually, but what can y'all tell me about it? If I'm on a very slippery surface am I going to get some one-wheel-wonder action? Brian 83 240D Peter wrote: I've never even been stuck in snow other than the time I parked in a snowdrift I didn't see -- no need for four wheel drive even.
Re: [MBZ] HOLY CRAP
On 3/7/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've gotten kind of annoyed lately at the volume of mail I get from people asking me to cancel the auction and sell to them immediately. I don't operate that way, but I'll get half a dozen or so for every item I post. I'd probably get into trouble with eBay over this, but if I ever got people begging me to cancel the auction and sell immediately to them, I think I'd get crazy with them. Ergo: A figure (I mostly sell toys and figurines I've had when eBaying) that I know will top out at $10 - $12 I'd probably be like: Sure, I have no problem cancelling the auction and selling directly to you, but the standard $1400.00 eBay legal protection fee applies which, with the expressed shipping at $100 and the hourly time constraint of having to cancel the auction and send email to all bidders to apologize of roughly 5 hours at $200 an hour for $1000 plus the level cost of the figure plus tax and interest should bring your full total to right around $2,520.00. In these instances I accept money order and direct wire funds only. Please let me know when you'd like to overnight me your payment. Thanks, Ed -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil.
Re: [MBZ] Tightness
Sure, I read plenty. But I also ask questions, as uncomfortable as it makes some people. Brian Marshall wrote: You HAVE read the owner's manual haven't you? -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Zoltan Finks wrote: I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). Now that my personal archives have been wiped out, I will need to ask it again: Do the klattas (specifically, the 83 240D) have any sort of limited slip in the rear differential? I suppose I'll find out eventually, but what can y'all tell me about it? If I'm on a very slippery surface am I going to get some one-wheel-wonder action? 123s never were equipped with limited slip diffs. Some S class cars had them (no diesels that I know of) and the 190E-16V car had one. Some of the later 124s had them too. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Tightness
Zoltan Finks wrote: Sure, I read plenty. But I also ask questions, as uncomfortable as it makes some people. How long have you had this memory problem? Have you seen a doctor? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
123s never were equipped with limited slip diffs. Some S class cars had them (no diesels that I know of) and the 190E-16V car had one. Some of the later 124s had them too. Marshall Not to question the diesel doctor, but... I'm pretty sure one of our customers has a 300SDL (126 chassis) with ASR and a hydraulicly activated LSD. Prolly a very rare option. Mike
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). My response is still the same. Why would one need limited slip on a car that will not spin a tire on ice?? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT
Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels
Thanks Rusty-I just counted the rectangular holes on my 90 300D-I get 15? Is that a stock wheel? Sorry I am used to 123 earlier steel wheels and painted hub caps. Life was simpler then. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:06 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels We are talking about the large holes around the outside of the wheel, all Mercedes have 5 lug bolt holes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 4:50 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels Rusty- This may be a 124 newbie question-but the wheels on my 90 300d 2.5t have five bolt/lug holes? Is there a 5 hole wheel? Thanks. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels I have them for $159.95 each Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 http://www.BuyMBparts.com http://www.buymbparts.com/ Serving Mercedes Enthusiasts for 30 years ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
mhall27 wrote: 123s never were equipped with limited slip diffs. Some S class cars had them (no diesels that I know of) and the 190E-16V car had one. Some of the later 124s had them too. Marshall Not to question the diesel doctor, but... I'm pretty sure one of our customers has a 300SDL (126 chassis) with ASR and a hydraulicly activated LSD. Prolly a very rare option. Mike I can't find ANY documentation for an S class diesel (up thru 1989) with limited slip rear, but that doesn't mean that someone couldn't stick one in. There could have been '90 or later 126 (perhaps a 350SD/SDL) with ASD. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
So you're serious? I spun quite easily the very first day I got the thing home. Further, regardless of how sluggish the car might be, there are times when you are either pointed uphill, or are bogged down somewhat by snow. These are instances in which the most underpowered car will either spin or stall. Mine spun on level ground with nothing else impeding forward motion. Your experience must be different from mine. Thanks for the input though. Brian 83 240D On 3/7/06, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). My response is still the same. Why would one need limited slip on a car that will not spin a tire on ice?? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
So you're serious? Nope. Tongue planted firmly in cheek. I have heard tho' that with a hundred pounds or so in the trunk slippery weather performance with these or the 300d's is excellent. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Aaak. I'm not used to someone's sense of humor rivaling mine for dryness. Brian On 3/7/06, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you're serious? Nope. Tongue planted firmly in cheek. I have heard tho' that with a hundred pounds or so in the trunk slippery weather performance with these or the 300d's is excellent. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
mhall27 wrote: 123s never were equipped with limited slip diffs. Some S class cars had them (no diesels that I know of) and the 190E-16V car had one. Some of the later 124s had them too. Marshall Not to question the diesel doctor, but... I'm pretty sure one of our customers has a 300SDL (126 chassis) with ASR and a hydraulicly activated LSD. Prolly a very rare option. Mike I can't find ANY documentation for an S class diesel (up thru 1989) with limited slip rear, but that doesn't mean that someone couldn't stick one in. There could have been '90 or later 126 (perhaps a 350SD/SDL) with ASD. Marshall -- I knew I shouldn't have questioned you, Marshall. Perhaps itÂ’s a 350 - Its got the later style leather seats, but for some reason I thought I was a 300. I'll check the next time its in. Mike
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
I live in west-central Iowa. Most years (this one being very mild) that means up to your butt in snow, sub-zero temps, and on good days lots of ice. By mild I mean motorcycle weather in late February and early March. I have two 40 pound (I think) sandbags in my trunk, shoved as far forward as possible. Am running Goodyear Regatta 2 tires on all four rims. My 240D has an advantage in bad weather, because unless I bury the pedal, the car moves smoothly away from a stop without tire spin. Yea, I could bury the pedal and probably slip tires but why? I feel that a 240D with good tires was MADE for snow country. -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels
Yes - that's the stock wheel. Mine had been swapped for the later (93 and up?) wheels. On 3/7/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Rusty-I just counted the rectangular holes on my 90 300D-I get 15? Is that a stock wheel? Sorry I am used to 123 earlier steel wheels and painted hub caps. Life was simpler then. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:06 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels We are talking about the large holes around the outside of the wheel, all Mercedes have 5 lug bolt holes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 4:50 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels Rusty- This may be a 124 newbie question-but the wheels on my 90 300d 2.5t have five bolt/lug holes? Is there a 5 hole wheel? Thanks. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels I have them for $159.95 each Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 http://www.BuyMBparts.com http://www.buymbparts.com/ Serving Mercedes Enthusiasts for 30 years ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
[MBZ] Silver Mold removal
The side window on the wagon, which is located over the rear wheel on the driver side, has a water leak... I can see some rust on the bottom corner of the window towards the back where the antenna is located. There are silver weathered molds around the window's edge how do you remove these molds? TIA Bill 1981 300 TD
Re: [MBZ] HOLY CRAP
Sheesh! I have an extra one of those in the garage - can I copy your description for my eBay posting??? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] HOLY CRAP
If its a deadbeat bidder they have a non-payment filed with ebay. 2nd chance offers would have already been sent to everyone else anyways. Rory wrote: So if you think it's deadbeat bidder do you contact the other bidders and ask them if you want to re-post the item? R- On 3/7/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have two words for you. deadbeat bidder ~I had one go for $74 once, and I thought THAT was crazy money. ~ ~Luther Gulseth wrote: ~ ~ looks like sidney8768 wanted it for $2.50 more than candiekostas is willing ~to pay so farmay go higher??? ~ ~ ~~http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=8043752752rd=1; ~s ~ ~spagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] HOLY CRAP
Its listed the same as the dozens of others I have sold. Dont need a hollanders, I have the epc. tom savage wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I had one go for $74 once, and I thought THAT was crazy money. Did you use the magic-money search terms SL and m100 the time before? Putting 300D in the auction title wouldn't have had the same effect; those diesel owners are all cheapskates and bottom-feeders. A Hollander manual might not be a bad investment for you. I bet the 113 and 115 have a lot of parts in common. You'll really do well if you find any, say, Dasher parts that were also used in the 356. p.s. How's the axle search going? Tom Diesel Owner ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] HOLY CRAP
oh I make ALOT of 2nd chance offers, so much so, I have been caught with my pants down before overselling on parts. The idea is you send out eveyrone a 2nd chance offer but are lucky if you even get one, then sometimes everyone takes you up on it and you dont have enough parts to go around. David Brodbeck wrote: Rory wrote: So if you think it's deadbeat bidder do you contact the other bidders and ask them if you want to re-post the item? Ebay will let you make a second chance offer to the second highest bidder. Usually that's what the seller goes for in that situation. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Spring is coming
is that cheap? Rusty Cullens wrote: Gear up with our Leatherique Super Special. 16 ounce Rejuvenator Oil $18.00 16 ounce Pristine Clean $12.50 32 ounce Rejuvenator Oil $31.00 32 ounce Pristine Clean $18.00 Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 http://www.BuyMBparts.com http://www.buymbparts.com/ Serving Mercedes Enthusiast for 30 Years. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] HOLY CRAP
On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:03:50 -0500 Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: looks like sidney8768 wanted it for $2.50 more than candiekostas is willing to pay so farmay go higher??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=8043752752rd=1s ~spagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Actually, sidney8768 put in a bit at Mar-06-06 20:28:48 PST that was at least $2.50 more than what candiekostas wanted to bid at Mar-07-06 06:28:04 PST, roughly 10 hours later. Since sidney8768's bid was earlier, it takes precedence, even if it were the same (which it is not). Since sidney8768's bid was more than the minimum bid increment above candiekostas maximum, eBay's automatic bidding put sidney8768's bid at the minimum bid increment ($2.50 for this auction) above candiekostas' highest bid. Incidentally, if you're bidding against someone and they come out less than the minimum bid increment higher than your last bid, you've discovered their maximum bid. Craig
Re: [MBZ] HOLY CRAP
for 25% commission. OK Don wrote: Sheesh! I have an extra one of those in the garage - can I copy your description for my eBay posting??? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Spring is coming
How about those of us w/ MB-Tex? On 3/7/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is that cheap? Rusty Cullens wrote: Gear up with our Leatherique Super Special. 16 ounce Rejuvenator Oil $18.00 16 ounce Pristine Clean $12.50 32 ounce Rejuvenator Oil $31.00 32 ounce Pristine Clean $18.00 Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 http://www.BuyMBparts.com http://www.buymbparts.com/ Serving Mercedes Enthusiast for 30 Years. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
[MBZ] Cheap paint booth
http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/139979639.html since we are cheap, why not supply our own? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] erratic '83 300SD tach
Luther - Could be, but it may be that one of the capacitors in the amp has gone bad. May also be the sensor lead but it seems that was doing wieder stuff when I has that malady. Best thing is to test your amp in another car or plug theirs into your socket. Makes the troubleshooting much easier and narrows it down real quick. Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] erratic '83 300SD tach The tach on my SD likes to wave around 4k-6k at random times. Other times it will run 300-500 high. Is this the standard cig butt repair? -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Put a set of four Nokian snow tires on it and drop 2 or 3 40 lb sacks of kitty litter in the trunk, and you'll have a very hard time trying to get that thing to spin a wheel. The thing will just feel like you are driving on a dirt road. -Robert Zoltan Finks wrote: So you're serious? I spun quite easily the very first day I got the thing home. Further, regardless of how sluggish the car might be, there are times when you are either pointed uphill, or are bogged down somewhat by snow. These are instances in which the most underpowered car will either spin or stall. Mine spun on level ground with nothing else impeding forward motion. Your experience must be different from mine. Thanks for the input though. Brian 83 240D On 3/7/06, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). My response is still the same. Why would one need limited slip on a car that will not spin a tire on ice?? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, BillR wrote: I only meant to say that the new Hyundai reached and cruised at 80 with relative ease. Okay, so a new Hyundai will reach 80 with relative ease... how about for fairness we compare to a newer MB diesel, or in the alternative, compare an older MB to an older Hyundai. (BTW, I had an older excel as a first car, it needed a rebuilt engine when I got it, and it loved head gaskets when exposed to extensive highway driving. When it downshifted while going downhill and barely mustering 20, I started looking for a cliff... (after about 20Kmi it started blowing between #3 and #4) -j.
Re: [MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Marshall Booth wrote: That is one of the cheaper places to buy diesel in Virginia. Over in Fairfax you'll pay much more and less over just north of Winchester on US 522. Hmm.. next time I head out that way I'll check. I suffered sticker shock when I saw the prices in Reston! For that money I was expecting Bio. BTW does anyone know of biodiesel availability in that area? (or anywhere along the VA267 (Dulles-Leesburg), US15 (Leesburg-Frederick) I70 (Frederick-Baltimore) route? (I find it is much faster than I695-I95-I495-VA267)... I think there's a station up at MD 26 and MD 27, but its a bit of a fuss to get up there and back onto 70) -j.
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Agreed. I don't have weight in the trunk but have studs on all four corners-walks through 4 or 5 of snow no problems and no slip on the take off. Stops well with the studs too. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LT Don Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions I live in west-central Iowa. Most years (this one being very mild) that means up to your butt in snow, sub-zero temps, and on good days lots of ice. By mild I mean motorcycle weather in late February and early March. I have two 40 pound (I think) sandbags in my trunk, shoved as far forward as possible. Am running Goodyear Regatta 2 tires on all four rims. My 240D has an advantage in bad weather, because unless I bury the pedal, the car moves smoothly away from a stop without tire spin. Yea, I could bury the pedal and probably slip tires but why? I feel that a 240D with good tires was MADE for snow country. -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] weenies
I guess the definition of need depends on your personal views. Heck, I don't need anything. I'll agree, I don't need my Subaru, but it makes things a heck of a lot easier. I never have to say the weather looks bad, maybe I should wait till later or that road hasn't been plowed, maybe I should find another route. I like just being able to go no matter the conditions. And when on the highway, I can generally keep 60-70mph year round. Now, this is largely because of the AWD, but a LOT of it has to do with the tires. I put some brand new All seasons on and left them because apparently we're not having more than a couple weeks of winter this year in upstate/western/central/whatever NY. But, the day or two where we did have some slick stuff I can see what a major problem is. It's the lack of smoothness. In other words, with my Blizzaks on the Subaru I can drive pretty much normally year round. Don't get me wrong, I have to slow down more for turns and things, but not NEAR the level that is required with all seasons, and even though AWD doesn't help you in stopping, you can definitely take corners a little faster since if you keep your foot on the gas a bit it will pull you through in most situations. BUT with the all seasons, I find myself in more of the woah, that could get me in trouble situations. Like accelerating up a hill.. hey these tires stick pretty good!, then I hit a bit more of a center crest in the road and it starts sliding sideways towards the ditch. Not fun. I find it similar to 2WD driving. You no longer have the vehicle as a whole. You have either the front or the rear acting on it's own heading sideways... Of course with the all seasons I can largely just put the accelerator to the floor when taking an empty intersection from a stop and let the rear end hang out about half-way and then it just pulls itself straight. (: I agree completely that FWD and even RWD can get you through MOST of the situations if you are willing to compromise. But there is no comparison in real traction. I've driven FWD's and RWD's with studs and snow tires. The FWD's do pretty good, but it's still easy to get them stuck once you get a little bit of snow under one end. RWD, forget it. The second you leave dry pavement, or encounter a little bit of snow or ice they are useless. You either have one wheel spinning like mad and going nowhere, or with a locker you have two wheels spinning and heading for the ditch and you're still not going forwards... Also, don't confuse me with one of the oh I have 4wd, I'm safe from anything idiots. I have a pretty good idea what my car does in various conditions. And if nothing else, I can realize when I'm at that fine line of well, it seems to be doing well, but I could potentially start sliding at any time, so I'm going to try to be prepared for it Levi Sorry for the rant, but over the years I've grown to feel pretty strongly about it. For that matter so as my wife. (and yes she is the typical mechanically un-inclined) On 3/7/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most SUV and minivan type vehicles on a truck chassis (and pickup trucks, particularly the VERY tall ones currently popular), will overturn if sliding on wet or icy pavement when they hit a crub. They can also roll over in accidents, even fairly minor ones (lots of pics in the paper of minivans upside-down). Very unsafe, should never have been allowed to be sold to the public. Minor road disturbances or potholes will cause them to flip under hard cornering or braking, and dropping a wheel off the pavement will usually cause a rollover. The foolish things people buy... I've got a young friend salivating over a Land Rover Freelander (he's a grad student, of all things) -- bad case of extra testosterone, I think. Must have a new girlfriend or something. I won't ever buy one, that's for sure -- for one thing, I've never even been stuck in snow other than the time I parked in a snowdrift I didn't see -- no need for four wheel drive even. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Zoltan Finks wrote: So you're serious? I spun quite easily the very first day I got the thing home. Further, regardless of how sluggish the car might be, there are times when you are either pointed uphill, or are bogged down somewhat by snow. These are instances in which the most underpowered car will either spin or stall. Mine spun on level ground with nothing else impeding forward motion. Your experience must be different from mine. Thanks for the input though. 100-200 lbs in the trunk and well designed identical tires with tread remaining on all four corners manufactured in this CENTURY (aged tire compound often delivers VERY poor traction) are all necessary or highly desirable. A properly maintained 123 is capable of exceptional traction and handling even in poor conditions IF driven with even modest skill. Lots of practice in poor conditions with a front engined, rear driven wheeled cars is instructional. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
That's the thing right there in the last sentence...If you grew up driving rear wheel drive cars a 123 chasis MB is a BLAST to drive in the snow Just gotta laugh at the FWD cars as you barrel past them knowing that if the car gets a little sideways you can just let off a bit and straighten it out. Mike - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions Zoltan Finks wrote: So you're serious? I spun quite easily the very first day I got the thing home. Further, regardless of how sluggish the car might be, there are times when you are either pointed uphill, or are bogged down somewhat by snow. These are instances in which the most underpowered car will either spin or stall. Mine spun on level ground with nothing else impeding forward motion. Your experience must be different from mine. Thanks for the input though. 100-200 lbs in the trunk and well designed identical tires with tread remaining on all four corners manufactured in this CENTURY (aged tire compound often delivers VERY poor traction) are all necessary or highly desirable. A properly maintained 123 is capable of exceptional traction and handling even in poor conditions IF driven with even modest skill. Lots of practice in poor conditions with a front engined, rear driven wheeled cars is instructional. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels
That is a stock wheel. The 8 hole is an upgrade to make yours look newer. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:10 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels Thanks Rusty-I just counted the rectangular holes on my 90 300D-I get 15? Is that a stock wheel? Sorry I am used to 123 earlier steel wheels and painted hub caps. Life was simpler then. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:06 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels We are talking about the large holes around the outside of the wheel, all Mercedes have 5 lug bolt holes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 4:50 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels Rusty- This may be a 124 newbie question-but the wheels on my 90 300d 2.5t have five bolt/lug holes? Is there a 5 hole wheel? Thanks. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels I have them for $159.95 each Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 http://www.BuyMBparts.com http://www.buymbparts.com/ Serving Mercedes Enthusiasts for 30 years ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Agreed. I don't have weight in the trunk but have studs on all four corners-walks through 4 or 5 of snow no problems and no slip on the take off. Stops well with the studs too. With studded snows on all four corners there is almost NOTHING except 12+ of unplowed, unpacked snow (the car will simply sit on top with the wheels dangling) that will stop MOST Mercedes. They will stop and steer pretty well too. While I've never found an anti-slip rear to be essential under bad conditions (I've never been stranded because I didn't have it), I'm told that the handling of '90s model 124s/140s with ASR is somewhat amazing on snow or ice! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Spring is coming
Yes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 11:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spring is coming is that cheap? Rusty Cullens wrote: Gear up with our Leatherique Super Special. 16 ounce Rejuvenator Oil $18.00 16 ounce Pristine Clean $12.50 32 ounce Rejuvenator Oil $31.00 32 ounce Pristine Clean $18.00 Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 http://www.BuyMBparts.com http://www.buymbparts.com/ Serving Mercedes Enthusiast for 30 Years. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Spring is coming
Buy leather. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LT Don Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 11:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spring is coming How about those of us w/ MB-Tex? On 3/7/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is that cheap? Rusty Cullens wrote: Gear up with our Leatherique Super Special. 16 ounce Rejuvenator Oil $18.00 16 ounce Pristine Clean $12.50 32 ounce Rejuvenator Oil $31.00 32 ounce Pristine Clean $18.00 Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 http://www.BuyMBparts.com http://www.buymbparts.com/ Serving Mercedes Enthusiast for 30 Years. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1981 240D $1000
Any oxidation turns into slag that is skimmed off. A deoxidizer is used in the crucible. For aluminum, the deox is an absolute must. Loren Faeth Who used to roast weenies on the foundry furnace on Friday lunchtime. At 03:32 PM 3/7/2006, you wrote: On Mar 7, 2006, at 4:08 PM, Bill Gallagher wrote: When steel is manufactured, a portion of scrap steel, is added to the furnace... therefore, steel already has rust in it internally and will rust from the inside towards the outside No car is rust free . Bill I was always under the impression that any rust would just be burned off in the process. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata
If your TD won't there is something wrong with it. At 05:07 PM 3/7/2006, you wrote: I was not expecting to rile anybody since I drive two diesels and a classic coupe - all with the tristar on the hood - and their combined age is 83 years! I only meant to say that the new Hyundai reached and cruised at 80 with relative ease. On 3/7/06, BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew - Have to add my bit - I drive my 1981 300SD at 80 MPH frequently on I95 [slower is often dangerous]. It is rock solid and responsive. I would rather drive it that way than my wife's Infinity, which she [unfortunately] usually drives 10 - 15 MPH faster [never a ticket, she has some odd internal radar detector that has never failed] The Infinity will definitely handle those speeds easily, and could certainly out run my SD, but we both think the SD rides better. Guess you suspected to get a bit of dander up from this list with that comparison, though. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 'EM' 272k miles ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] erratic '83 300SD tach
Are the tach amps the same between my '83 SD and '82 CD? (126/123)?? ~Luther - ~Could be, but it may be that one of the capacitors in the amp has gone bad. ~May also be the sensor lead but it seems that was doing wieder stuff when I ~has that malady. Best thing is to test your amp in another car or plug ~theirs into your socket. Makes the troubleshooting much easier and narrows ~it down real quick. ~ ~Barry ~ ~-Original Message- ~From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Luther Gulseth ~Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:00 AM ~To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~Subject: [MBZ] erratic '83 300SD tach ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] erratic '83 300SD tach
Are the tach amps the same between my '83 SD and '82 CD? (126/123)?? If they're in a screw-in can they're the same. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Limited slip in my opinion is not terribly useful on ice anyway as the two drive wheels will just hook up and spin the car in circles. My Dad had a Chevy Tracker with a limited slip rear and in ice and snow you had to be in 4wd because of its frightening propensity to fishtail. I never did try it with a bunch of weight in the rear end, in retrospect that seems like a good idea. At any rate, my 240D even with snow tires will spin the tires on ice. Its ICE for crying out loud... -Curt Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:56:10 -0600 From: Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). My response is still the same. Why would one need limited slip on a car that will not spin a tire on ice?? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 08 14:58:28 2006 Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net ([204.127.203.212]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FH07Q-0001hM-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:58:28 + Received: from lono2.leadingchange.com (12-216-11-137.client.mchsi.com[12.216.11.137]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id 20060308145823m92001b8vee; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:58:23 + Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 08:55:15 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:58:28 - Comparing a 30 year old auto design to a new one is analogous to the people who would condemn all Macs because they bought a new pc and it was way faster than their 6 or 7 year old mac with all kinds of junk on it and an overstuffed hard drive. Anyhow, I have always said I'd rather have a 20 year old MB than a new (fill in the blank) because it usually takes 20 years for the rest of the automotive world to catch up. A 123 TD should attain 80 and cruise there easily, even spotting the rice burner 25 years. One local Dodge dealer is advertising free powertrain warranty for life Now that got my attention... Do I hear a million miles? Maybe next year when the Cheep products are supposed to have an MB diesel in the engine lineup... Of course a million mile engine does little good when the body falls apart at 150k That was the downfall of the escort diesel. I firmly believe that was a million mile engine, but the body was not up to the task. At 04:11 AM 3/8/2006, you wrote: On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, BillR wrote: I only meant to say that the new Hyundai reached and cruised at 80 with relative ease. Okay, so a new Hyundai will reach 80 with relative ease... how about for fairness we compare to a newer MB diesel, or in the alternative, compare an older MB to an older Hyundai. (BTW, I had an older excel as a first car, it needed a rebuilt engine when I got it, and it loved head gaskets when exposed to extensive highway driving. When it downshifted while going downhill and barely mustering 20, I started looking for a cliff... (after about 20Kmi it started blowing between #3 and #4) -j. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] R-12 Freon
'Ordered case of 12 12 oz. cans yesterday @ $250 from ATC Specialists, www.refrigerantsales.com 30 lb tnks also avail. @ $560. Substitute stuff avail, too. Wilton
[MBZ] OT: 1988 Caprice Classic half track/ice fishing vehicle
Bummer Kaleb didn't spot this before the auction closed: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4617762659 =) -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 95kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline)
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Yeah, I'd love to have a set of winter wheels with winter tires that I can pull off for the non-winter months. $$# Question: What will be the effects on the suspension (rear particularly) of putting a few hundred pounds in the trunk and driving around with it for 6 months at a time? I mean, it'll wear things out more quickly correct? Also: Has anyone seen in the movie Rocky IV when the Russian govt' picks up Rocky and his new trainer and his wife's brother at the airport and drives them out to his secluded training cabin? It's the dead of winter and they are driving and '80's S class? It's not a diesel, but it's like Jim's SD. Followed by I think. They have chains on it. Also the govt' guys chase Rocky as he runs through the snow (they are assigned to follow him) and they wind up losing it and jamming it between two snow banks. No point to make here, just enthusiast fodder. Brian 83 240D On 3/8/06, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put a set of four Nokian snow tires on it and drop 2 or 3 40 lb sacks of kitty litter in the trunk, and you'll have a very hard time trying to get that thing to spin a wheel. The thing will just feel like you are driving on a dirt road. -Robert Zoltan Finks wrote: So you're serious? I spun quite easily the very first day I got the thing home. Further, regardless of how sluggish the car might be, there are times when you are either pointed uphill, or are bogged down somewhat by snow. These are instances in which the most underpowered car will either spin or stall. Mine spun on level ground with nothing else impeding forward motion. Your experience must be different from mine. Thanks for the input though. Brian 83 240D On 3/7/06, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I asked this question quite a while ago and received minimal response and some snickering (over the thought of a 240D spinning its tires). My response is still the same. Why would one need limited slip on a car that will not spin a tire on ice?? Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Traction in adverse conditions
Yeah, I'd love to have a set of winter wheels with winter tires that I can pull off for the non-winter months. $$# Question: What will be the effects on the suspension (rear particularly) of putting a few hundred pounds in the trunk and driving around with it for 6 months at a time? I mean, it'll wear things out more quickly correct? Also: Has anyone seen in the movie Rocky IV when the Russian govt' picks up Rocky and his new trainer and his wife's brother at the airport and drives them out to his secluded training cabin? It's the dead of winter and they are driving and '80's S class? It's not a diesel, but it's like Jim's SD. Followed by I think. They have chains on it. Also the govt' guys chase Rocky as he runs through the snow (they are assigned to follow him) and they wind up losing it and jamming it between two snow banks. No point to make here, just enthusiast fodder. Brian 83 240D On 3/8/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: So you're serious? I spun quite easily the very first day I got the thing home. Further, regardless of how sluggish the car might be, there are times when you are either pointed uphill, or are bogged down somewhat by snow. These are instances in which the most underpowered car will either spin or stall. Mine spun on level ground with nothing else impeding forward motion. Your experience must be different from mine. Thanks for the input though. 100-200 lbs in the trunk and well designed identical tires with tread remaining on all four corners manufactured in this CENTURY (aged tire compound often delivers VERY poor traction) are all necessary or highly desirable. A properly maintained 123 is capable of exceptional traction and handling even in poor conditions IF driven with even modest skill. Lots of practice in poor conditions with a front engined, rear driven wheeled cars is instructional. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata
On Mar 8, 2006, at 5:11 AM, John W. Reames III wrote: Okay, so a new Hyundai will reach 80 with relative ease... how about for fairness we compare to a newer MB diesel, or in the alternative, compare an older MB to an older Hyundai. (BTW, I had an older excel as a first car, it needed a rebuilt engine when I got it, and it loved head gaskets when exposed to extensive highway driving. When it downshifted while going downhill and barely mustering 20, I started looking for a cliff... (after about 20Kmi it started blowing between #3 and #4) -j. My wife had a new Hyundai Excel when we first got together. It went 138,000mi and the engine was smoking and leaking, steering rack shot, caliper stuck and the transmission (4spd stick) started squealing and acting up. She hit a deer and saved me from putting way too much into a car that cost $5,000 new. It served its purpose and I would consider it a disposable car. I forget now how many years it lasted but it had to be right around 5. Nothing ever went wrong prior to all the stuff that basically wore out at the same time. It felt like junk right out of the dealer. She had been driving my 1984 190D 2.2 5spd for a while and loved everything about it, so I gave it to her. She's owned MB diesels for 12 years now and shows no interest in any other marque. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
[MBZ] Experienced 190D
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemitem=4619098264sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AWNA%3AUS%3A76sasel=id= Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata
Loren, Sometimes a really old Mac can run circles around your newer PC. I snagged a Mac Plus for $20 and loaded it with excel. Then I ran the same spreadsheet on my then new PII. The Plus was faster in all computations. On Wednesday, March 8, 2006, at 06:55 AM, Loren Faeth wrote: Comparing a 30 year old auto design to a new one is analogous to the people who would condemn all Macs because they bought a new pc and it was way faster than their 6 or 7 year old mac with all kinds of junk on it and an overstuffed hard drive. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
[MBZ] Fuel Filter Change
Howdy!!
I changed my main fuel filter in my 91 300D 2.5T and naturally spilled a
bit. I filled the new one using the prefilter connection and of course,
spilled more when I tried to install it.
BTW, I removed the filter bracket securing screws (2) and finally got it
back into position - can't see how I'd *ever* have gotten it out back in
without doing so. When I tried to tighten it I spent a while before I got
it tight enough - spinning the filter up onto the center banjo bolt went OK,
then I tightened the banjo bolt - not ok - I couldn;t hold the filter as I
tightened the bolt - finally wedged a piece of wood between the housing and
filter as I turned the bolt and finally got it tight.
It took a bit of cranking before it finally ran smoothly.
Question - as I mentioned, I spilled some fuel - can I flush it off with
water? I'm sure it's on the bottom cover - I'd like toget it off of it.
Will that cause any problems?
Question #2 - the body material below the beltline - about the lower 3rd of
the body - what material is that? It's not as shiney as the upper part and
*way* less magnetic. In's only very mildly magnetic while the upper is
*very* magnetic. Anyway - curious about the material - aluminum alloy?
something else? Should it be cared for with the same kind of stuff? (waxes,
cleaners, etc)
TIA -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata
Aren't the new Hyundai's being offered with 10 yr warranties? Not sure what
the mileage limit is - but it's probably too low.
I'll take a 15 year old MB w/250k first.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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- Original Message -
From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata
On Mar 8, 2006, at 5:11 AM, John W. Reames III wrote:
Okay, so a new Hyundai will reach 80 with relative ease... how
about for
fairness we compare to a newer MB diesel, or in the alternative,
compare
an older MB to an older Hyundai. (BTW, I had an older excel as a first
car, it needed a rebuilt engine when I got it, and it loved head
gaskets
when exposed to extensive highway driving. When it downshifted while
going downhill and barely mustering 20, I started looking for a
cliff...
(after about 20Kmi it started blowing between #3 and #4)
-j.
My wife had a new Hyundai Excel when we first got together. It went
138,000mi and the engine was smoking and leaking, steering rack shot,
caliper stuck and the transmission (4spd stick) started squealing and
acting up. She hit a deer and saved me from putting way too much into
a car that cost $5,000 new.
It served its purpose and I would consider it a disposable car. I
forget now how many years it lasted but it had to be right around 5.
Nothing ever went wrong prior to all the stuff that basically wore
out at the same time. It felt like junk right out of the dealer.
She had been driving my 1984 190D 2.2 5spd for a while and loved
everything about it, so I gave it to her. She's owned MB diesels for
12 years now and shows no interest in any other marque.
Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata
On Wednesday 08 March 2006 7:55, Loren Faeth wrote: One local Dodge dealer is advertising free powertrain warranty for life 1). Ain't nuthin free except maybe bad advice 2). The large print giveth, and the fine print taketh away. The dealer would not offer the free warranty service unless his sales prices accommodate the cost. And much like some health policies, the warranty may cover everything except what actually tends to go wrong. Lee
[MBZ] OT: Look, Ma! No mast!
This is too cool. Reminds me of Kevin Costner's little trick in 'Waterworld'. I wonder how it would work on a 240D? http://www.bookofjoe.com/2005/09/skysail_the_kit.html ;-) -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 95kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline)
Re: [MBZ] OT: Look, Ma! No mast!
Fine, until you came to an overpass or powerlines. ~This is too cool. Reminds me of Kevin Costner's little trick in ~'Waterworld'. I wonder how it would work on a 240D? ~ ~http://www.bookofjoe.com/2005/09/skysail_the_kit.html ~ ~;-) ~ ~ ~-- ~Dave M. ~Boise, ID ~1994 E500 - 95kmi (Q-ship) ~1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline) ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
[MBZ] 300SD 1978 Parts Car
Parts Car 300SD 1978 I want to sell a 1978 300 SD with many newer parts including a 30,000 or so mi bought-from-Mercedes complete engine. Car will drive. Leaking oil at transmission. Complete service records available. Car lives in Las Vegas Area. -barnaby Questions, offers please. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/276 - Release Date: 3/7/2006
Re: [MBZ] OT: Look, Ma! No mast!
A real sailor knows how to step the mast at times like that. On 3/8/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fine, until you came to an overpass or powerlines. ~This is too cool. Reminds me of Kevin Costner's little trick in ~'Waterworld'. I wonder how it would work on a 240D? ~ ~http://www.bookofjoe.com/2005/09/skysail_the_kit.html ~ ~;-) ~ ~ ~-- ~Dave M. ~Boise, ID ~1994 E500 - 95kmi (Q-ship) ~1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline) ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels
Do you have the stock wheels? I couldn't find them in your online catalogue. From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/03/08 Wed AM 09:09:46 EST To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels That is a stock wheel. The 8 hole is an upgrade to make yours look newer. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:10 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels Thanks Rusty-I just counted the rectangular holes on my 90 300D-I get 15? Is that a stock wheel? Sorry I am used to 123 earlier steel wheels and painted hub caps. Life was simpler then. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:06 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels We are talking about the large holes around the outside of the wheel, all Mercedes have 5 lug bolt holes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 4:50 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels Rusty- This may be a 124 newbie question-but the wheels on my 90 300d 2.5t have five bolt/lug holes? Is there a 5 hole wheel? Thanks. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels I have them for $159.95 each Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 http://www.BuyMBparts.com http://www.buymbparts.com/ Serving Mercedes Enthusiasts for 30 years ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
A few questions for the group please 1. Can a 1977 123 chassis take/accept an 617.9xx non turbo engine with out major modifications from the years 1978-1980 to last non turbo year? 2. What are the estimated hours to pull out existing 617.9xx engine, remove things such as alternators, refer compressors, ect. and then put a used motor into the car al the while attaching the ancillary stuff I just said and install the new engine. These would be the hours by a professional mechanic. 3. I assume, new tranny hoses, new lube oil hoses ect. while I am at it. 4. If you could share any experience you have. Is there a link for doing this job? I have located some used engines that have been compression tested and are in the 100K miles to 150K mile ranges, some which have been sitting for some time. I am at a cross roads on the path of deciding if the car is worth it. I do not have the scope of supply to do the job myself where I am located in life right now. Thanks in advance Tom Scordato
[MBZ] O/T ChowdaQ
Curt, When are you coming to Hartford? We live in next town North (Windsor). Contact me off list. It appears I will not be at ChowdaQ (I was at the first one!), I am traveling to Bristol, TN for the fuel meet there. I am somewhat addicted to Fuel Drag Racing. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 1987 300SDL 239KMI 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 190Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is!
Re: [MBZ] HOLY CRAP
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Its listed the same as the dozens of others I have sold. Dont need a hollanders, I have the epc. Gotcha. How about an axle? ;) Tom
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
Tom Scordato wrote: I have located some used engines that have been compression tested and are in the 100K miles to 150K mile ranges, some which have been sitting for some time. I am at a cross roads on the path of deciding if the car is worth it. I do not have the scope of supply to do the job myself where I am located in life right now. Thanks in advance Tom Scordato Mercedes made a few changes every year and there certainly MIGHT be changes that would make slipping an '80-81 engine into a '77 chassis a challenge (but I'm almost sure it can be done). I would guess that 8 hours MIGHT do it if the mechanic were VERY experienced AND had done the job several times, but there are a LOT of variables that could increase the time by a lot. Unless the the car is in WAY, WAY above average condition I wouldn't suggest it with a nearly 30 year old (or even a 20 year old) car. It has NOT been economically advantageous for me to pay someone a proper fee to do such jobs (I've done it anyway). If you can do it yourself or get a really cut rate, you can sometimes restore a car to service, but usually you are better off finding a replacement car that meets your needs. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
You'll probably find more helpful posts than this, but I can tell you that I just had the engine replaced in a 240D. Engine cost me 900 and the complete RR job done by an indy - not me - cost 800 (plus a couple unexpected expenses). The engine I got usually sells for 1100. Was it worth it to us? Yes, but as I discover more potentially broken or breaking things on the car, I begin to question it. I wanted one of these Mercedes diesels and then I became convinced by reading this list (and got the general impression that these cars are about as wonderful as tits and beer) but I'm getting the general impression lately, when I complain about it becoming a money pit, that there is nothing magic about these cars, they wear out and break too, it's just that if properly cared for, the diesel engines can last quite a long time. Wish you the best with your quest. Brian 83 240D On 3/8/06, Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few questions for the group please 1. Can a 1977 123 chassis take/accept an 617.9xx non turbo engine with out major modifications from the years 1978-1980 to last non turbo year? 2. What are the estimated hours to pull out existing 617.9xx engine, remove things such as alternators, refer compressors, ect. and then put a used motor into the car al the while attaching the ancillary stuff I just said and install the new engine. These would be the hours by a professional mechanic. 3. I assume, new tranny hoses, new lube oil hoses ect. while I am at it. 4. If you could share any experience you have. Is there a link for doing this job? I have located some used engines that have been compression tested and are in the 100K miles to 150K mile ranges, some which have been sitting for some time. I am at a cross roads on the path of deciding if the car is worth it. I do not have the scope of supply to do the job myself where I am located in life right now. Thanks in advance Tom Scordato ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels
Yes, $235.75 each. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 3:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels Do you have the stock wheels? I couldn't find them in your online catalogue. From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/03/08 Wed AM 09:09:46 EST To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels That is a stock wheel. The 8 hole is an upgrade to make yours look newer. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:10 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels Thanks Rusty-I just counted the rectangular holes on my 90 300D-I get 15? Is that a stock wheel? Sorry I am used to 123 earlier steel wheels and painted hub caps. Life was simpler then. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:06 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels We are talking about the large holes around the outside of the wheel, all Mercedes have 5 lug bolt holes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 4:50 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels Rusty- This may be a 124 newbie question-but the wheels on my 90 300d 2.5t have five bolt/lug holes? Is there a 5 hole wheel? Thanks. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] W124 8 Hole wheels I have them for $159.95 each Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 http://www.BuyMBparts.com http://www.buymbparts.com/ Serving Mercedes Enthusiasts for 30 years ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
You'll have to change the exhaust too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Scordato Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 4:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads A few questions for the group please 1. Can a 1977 123 chassis take/accept an 617.9xx non turbo engine with out major modifications from the years 1978-1980 to last non turbo year? 2. What are the estimated hours to pull out existing 617.9xx engine, remove things such as alternators, refer compressors, ect. and then put a used motor into the car al the while attaching the ancillary stuff I just said and install the new engine. These would be the hours by a professional mechanic. 3. I assume, new tranny hoses, new lube oil hoses ect. while I am at it. 4. If you could share any experience you have. Is there a link for doing this job? I have located some used engines that have been compression tested and are in the 100K miles to 150K mile ranges, some which have been sitting for some time. I am at a cross roads on the path of deciding if the car is worth it. I do not have the scope of supply to do the job myself where I am located in life right now. Thanks in advance Tom Scordato ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
There are good Mercedes and bad ones. It really depends on the prior maintenance. One thing is for sure once a car reaches a critical threshold of broken stuff it is junk. There were a lot of W123 and W126 made, so restoring one is a labor of love most likely not economically beneficial. I do love the W126 and have a three of them. One is on the junk scale of things and would cost more in parts to fix than buying a new one. The other two are my babies and I make an effort to keep the maintenance up such they do not become junk. However economically I would say that I would have been better with other cars, but I place a high value on the ride of the W126. Thus I have a love for the W126 that compares to my love for beer and tits. I would say that unless you have some magical love for the 300D I would buy a newer car and save the head ache. If you do replace engine, then put a turbo one in it. There is nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 5:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads You'll probably find more helpful posts than this, but I can tell you that I just had the engine replaced in a 240D. Engine cost me 900 and the complete RR job done by an indy - not me - cost 800 (plus a couple unexpected expenses). The engine I got usually sells for 1100. Was it worth it to us? Yes, but as I discover more potentially broken or breaking things on the car, I begin to question it. I wanted one of these Mercedes diesels and then I became convinced by reading this list (and got the general impression that these cars are about as wonderful as tits and beer) but I'm getting the general impression lately, when I complain about it becoming a money pit, that there is nothing magic about these cars, they wear out and break too, it's just that if properly cared for, the diesel engines can last quite a long time. Wish you the best with your quest. Brian 83 240D On 3/8/06, Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few questions for the group please 1. Can a 1977 123 chassis take/accept an 617.9xx non turbo engine with out major modifications from the years 1978-1980 to last non turbo year? 2. What are the estimated hours to pull out existing 617.9xx engine, remove things such as alternators, refer compressors, ect. and then put a used motor into the car al the while attaching the ancillary stuff I just said and install the new engine. These would be the hours by a professional mechanic. 3. I assume, new tranny hoses, new lube oil hoses ect. while I am at it. 4. If you could share any experience you have. Is there a link for doing this job? I have located some used engines that have been compression tested and are in the 100K miles to 150K mile ranges, some which have been sitting for some time. I am at a cross roads on the path of deciding if the car is worth it. I do not have the scope of supply to do the job myself where I am located in life right now. Thanks in advance Tom Scordato ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
Zoltan Finks wrote: You'll probably find more helpful posts than this, but I can tell you that I just had the engine replaced in a 240D. Engine cost me 900 and the complete RR job done by an indy - not me - cost 800 (plus a couple unexpected expenses). The engine I got usually sells for 1100. Was it worth it to us? Yes, but as I discover more potentially broken or breaking things on the car, I begin to question it. I wanted one of these Mercedes diesels and then I became convinced by reading this list (and got the general impression that these cars are about as wonderful as tits and beer) but I'm getting the general impression lately, when I complain about it becoming a money pit, that there is nothing magic about these cars, they wear out and break too, it's just that if properly cared for, the diesel engines can last quite a long time. The problem is seldom the car, but the condition of the car! A 20+ year old Mercedes that has seen average maintenance is usually reduced to little more than junk. It's NOT the quality of the car, but the quality of the maintenance. One that's quite well maintained, may well be worth $2000-5000 and one that's in close to showroom condition with less than 75kmi on it can sell for $10+k and MAY even be worth that. It's entirely a matter of an accurate and reliable measure of condition. Without such a reliable measurement, the risk is very high. The cost of major repairs on a Mercedes (required infrequently, but if needed - they ARE REQUIRED) can be very high and there are few inexpensive make do fixes that are satisfactory. There is NOTHING more expensive than a cheap Mercedes that's been poorly maintained. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
[MBZ] W126 Sunroof
Spring is coming to New England! How many hours to have my skilled INDY change the sunroof angles on my car? How about rear rubber parts in suspension? I think Diff mount may be easy for even an old fellow, how are the rear sub frame mounts, floor jack and jack stands of do you really need a lift and heavy tools? Thank, -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 1987 300SDL 240KMI 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 190Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is!
Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads
Old cars are old cars. It really will not matter if it is a Ford or a Mercedes. Sooner or later things have to be repaired or replaced. The cost of repairing the Mercedes is likely to be higher than the Ford. If you want to drive a Mercedes but cannot or will not afford a new one then you have to pay the price by either doing the work yourself or hiring someone to do it. I spent a small fortune repairing an old Ford Ltd for my elder son to drive a few years ago. It was an error on my part in the sense that I invested more in it than it was worth, but I had fun doing the work. The car still runs well and doesn't look too bad but I can't sell it for diddly as no one really wants an old rear drive American V8 right now with the price of gas. I could get rid of it but I would not get much for my efforts. So, I still have it. My younger son drove it last summer and we may put plates on it again this year. I think I probably would be happier if I had bought an old Mercedes at that time and worked on it instead. The Ford was real cheap (cause it needed a motor rebuild) and acquired from a friend. I have since bought an old Mercedes and I hope that I do not have a lot of bad luck with it but I also know that it is 30 years old and has not been waiting on a shelf for me for all that time. It has been driven and used. It runs pretty good and it looks pretty good. For 30 years old and 30 year old technology, I am impressed. I plan to drive it all summer and put it away for all winter. I really hope I can do that for another 20 years but who knows?? Old Mercedes are not magical and you really have to judge for yourself whether it is going to be worth your while to invest in it. Only you will know somewhere down the road if it was the right decision. I think you sort of need to be the kind of guy who still likes wooden boats too. A wooden boat is not practical compared to the new fibreglass or aluminum one and scraping and varnishing may not be your idea of fun but a wooden boat has a beauty that isn't really matched by fibreglass. That is how I feel about the Mercedes. It really has an appeal to me and I hope that I can actually pass it on to someone someday in equal or better condition than when I got it despite having used it for my purposes. I am not a believer in using things up when it comes to mechanical stuff. I have a friend who has a 74 MB 240D. It is junk and rusty and he has had terrible luck. He has put an engine and 2 transmissions in and he does not do his own work. He has so much invested in it that he cannot quit. It looks awful but it runs and rides nice and he loves it. He has had a 220D and a 914 Porsche in the past and just loves his old rolling wrecks. He had a couple of new Pontiacs that were junk and he cannot say enough bad things about them. The Porsche got so rusty it was not safe to drive. The 220 rusted away as well but they both still ran and he still talks about them fondly. He is the sort of fellow who spends his spare money on art and wine and not on new glitzy cars. You need to be that sort to really appreciate an OLD Benz. Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 4:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads You'll probably find more helpful posts than this, but I can tell you that I just had the engine replaced in a 240D. Engine cost me 900 and the complete RR job done by an indy - not me - cost 800 (plus a couple unexpected expenses). The engine I got usually sells for 1100. Was it worth it to us? Yes, but as I discover more potentially broken or breaking things on the car, I begin to question it. I wanted one of these Mercedes diesels and then I became convinced by reading this list (and got the general impression that these cars are about as wonderful as tits and beer) but I'm getting the general impression lately, when I complain about it becoming a money pit, that there is nothing magic about these cars, they wear out and break too, it's just that if properly cared for, the diesel engines can last quite a long time. Wish you the best with your quest. Brian 83 240D
[MBZ] Question and comment
For you folks into alternative fuels - never tried it, but have a quart of slightly used peanut oil I don't want to just dump. IIRC it would be fine to run it through a coffee filter and dump it in with 10 gal of Diesel. Any risks? There is an R500 and a CLS500 wandering the roads in our neighborhood [but closer to the river...]. I always think I am coming up on a Chrysler at first glance. Is there that much crossover designing? Kind of like the R500, though the CLS500 does seem an odd beast on casual drive-by inspection. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 'EM' 272k
Re: [MBZ] Thanks, Herr Doktor... Dogs
You can join the [EMAIL PROTECTED] group to get information about canine cancer. This group provides lots of information and comfort for the animal lover. We hope for the best. Rich Parcell From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Thanks, Herr Doktor... Dogs Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:47:16 -0700 Thanks. Herr Doktor. The suggestion of glowing for ten seconds after the light goes out was spot on. The old girl fires right up and the cloud of smoke is no more. O.T. - Has anyone delt with osteosarcoma in their pet? The vet said that he's relatively certain our six month old puppy Gertie (Shepard/Lab mix) has it. I'm going to research it tonight if it's not too busy at the old nuke plant. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 149K '01 VW Beetle TDI 62K '05 Lab/Shepard Mix Few Miles, bad wheel. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata
I'm curious here, why is everyone comparing a Hyndai with a MB? I know MB's have their faults, but comparing a disposable Korea car with something that has over a 100 year history doesn't make any sense to me. just my 2 cents here, the only reason why Hyndai offers such a good warrantee is because without it they would be forking out all kinds of money for forced recalls. Its not even in the same league as my Passat. again, just my 2 cents 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:11:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, BillR wrote: I only meant to say that the new Hyundai reached and cruised at 80 with relative ease. Okay, so a new Hyundai will reach 80 with relative ease... how about for fairness we compare to a newer MB diesel, or in the alternative, compare an older MB to an older Hyundai. (BTW, I had an older excel as a first car, it needed a rebuilt engine when I got it, and it loved head gaskets when exposed to extensive highway driving. When it downshifted while going downhill and barely mustering 20, I started looking for a cliff... (after about 20Kmi it started blowing between #3 and #4) -j. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata
My guess would be because most everyone on this list regards their Benz's as their babies and nothing else could compare. And most people regard Hyundai's as crap. And in my mind, the Benz's are just another car. A somewhat unique car, and some of them rather well built, but still another car that can break down. Hyundai's are something that WAS crap in the early 90's. I drove a friend's Excel that had about 12 inches of play in the steering wheel. Scared me to death to drive that thing. But from what I've read, the Hyundai's have come a LONG way in the last 5 or so years. They're now nearing in to Honda and Toyota territory, but with prices around $5K less. Of course to most of the people on this list Hondas and Toyotas are crap too. Personall, I like my 83' 300D. It's interesting. but I miss my 97' Subaru with 214K miles every day I'm in the Benz. When I'm in the Suby I just kinda miss a couple things about the Benz... (little more room, can run on anything liquid that burns) Levi On 3/8/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious here, why is everyone comparing a Hyndai with a MB? I know MB's have their faults, but comparing a disposable Korea car with something that has over a 100 year history doesn't make any sense to me. just my 2 cents here, the only reason why Hyndai offers such a good warrantee is because without it they would be forking out all kinds of money for forced recalls. Its not even in the same league as my Passat. again, just my 2 cents 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:11:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, BillR wrote: I only meant to say that the new Hyundai reached and cruised at 80 with relative ease. Okay, so a new Hyundai will reach 80 with relative ease... how about for fairness we compare to a newer MB diesel, or in the alternative, compare an older MB to an older Hyundai. (BTW, I had an older excel as a first car, it needed a rebuilt engine when I got it, and it loved head gaskets when exposed to extensive highway driving. When it downshifted while going downhill and barely mustering 20, I started looking for a cliff... (after about 20Kmi it started blowing between #3 and #4) -j. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- It isn't what you have, or who you are, or where you are, or what you are doing that makes you happy or unhappy. It is what you think about. -Dale Carnegie
