Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
Yep. Just saw a bar graph published July 27 by the White House. It purports to list the four biggest factors contributing to the US debt. The wars, the Bush tax cuts, domestic spending, and changes in economy and technology were listed. Cost for each factor ranged from 1.5 trillion to 4 trillion dollars. What wasn't on the bar graph? The bailout to the Wall Street banksters. The GAO investigated it, over the shrill protests of the Bernanke, and found that it cost 16 trillion dollars, nearly twice the cost of our several wars, the Bush tax cuts, all of our domestic spending and the economic meltdown, combined. What did we get in return? We got bitch-slapped. Having GIVEN these greedy bastards an incomprehensible sum with no strings attached, they gave their top thieves million-dollar bonuses, continue to foreclose on the houses of working-class people, and are now bulldozing the damned things by the hundreds. JP Morgan Chase is capitalizing on the growing number of poor by persuading state food stamp programs to switch to EBT programs that Morgan Chase administers. I'm ready to start circulating the rumor that bankers taste like chicken. Lee G Mann wrote: Watching politics in action these days brings the same emotions you would have watching a video of a prison gang rape where you are the center of attention. Doesn't matter what political party, the sense of violation and helplessness remains when reported by the news media who serve the same function as the rest of the prisoners standing in a circle to keep the bulls from seeing the entertainment while they laugh, point and cheer. All while you keep thinking this can't be happening... followed by... O no, not again. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: G Mann wrote: The Modes Operands is always as follows: Manufactured Problem Orchestrated Reaction Planned Solution All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. Yep, I'd have to agree with that. That's what worries me about all the furor about the fabricated gun running problem to Mexico - they're setting the stage for increased gun control. And it's already starting with executive orders LarryT 91 300D Let your engine tell you how healthy it is! Visit www.youroil.net For Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! - Original Message - From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:12:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines Nothing in politics happens by accident. I'll put my bets in that even the SP downgrade was pre-planned. We are being played like a cheap trick by master manipulators on a scale to large be understood. The Modes Operands is always as follows: Manufactured Problem Orchestrated Reaction Planned Solution All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry was driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to do. Ya, well... Not to be too partisan here, the reality is that all the games DC has been playing with large dollar amounts did nothing but increase the distance between us and them. I doubt any of us are in that top 10% of money holders? Too bad, because these programs whether intentional or not merely took more away from all of us than any of us can contemplate. This system is in a huge hurt, big time. SP has done what nobody in DC had the cahoonas to contemplate. So, now we all suffer once again. How? - who knows, but we will be the ones being separated further from the top 10% for sure. mao - pure communism... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
Read about it here - http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3 There was some serious sleight of hand going on with the Wall Street Boys and their cronies in Washington, and it hasn't been easy to trace as I understand it. The Bloomberg report ended up having a pitched battle with the Federal Reserve and finally prevailed in their FoIA request. They put the price tag to taxpayers at 12.8 trillion, which is still a lot of money. Enough that if you started spending a million dollars a day when Jesus was born, and kept it up until today, you still wouldn't have come close to spending that much. Check this out, and watch the video- http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/economy/the-true-cost-of-the-bank-bailout/3309/ Lee Mountain Man wrote: Lee wrote: What wasn't on the bar graph? The bailout to the Wall Street banksters. The GAO investigated it, over the shrill protests of the Bernanke, and found that it cost 16 trillion dollars, nearly twice the cost of our several wars, the Bush tax cuts, all of our domestic spending and the economic meltdown, combined. Do you have links to this documentation? That sounds interesting. I wanna read more about this expansion to $16T. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch. There's not one good answer to this. The worse the waste oil, and by worse I mean how degraded it has become with repeated use, the more acidic the oil becomes and the more lye is required to treat it. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Closed loop biorefinery in Montana
andrew strasfogel wrote: The future may be closer than we think. http://www.greatfallstribune.com/article/20110710/BUSINESS/107100305/Columbia-Falls-Green-Power-House-closed-loop-biorefinery - ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Good stuff! Particularly the gasification of slash. We have forest thinning projects going on around here all the time. The byproduct is timber too small to be of commercial value. It is typically just piled up and burned, a terrible waste. Using it to produce wood gas and biochar is brilliant. Biochar, which is basically charcoal crushed to a powder, turns out to be an enormous fertility improver in the soil. It doesn't break down for a couple of centuries, at least, sequestering a good deal of carbon. It greatly increases the soil's water holding capacity and provides a matrix for microbes and fungi to colonize, which is key to healthy soil. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The Original Las Vegas
Yep. They even filmed the border scene here. Re-painted a couple of local businesses to look like Mexican border town, and put up a fake US/Mexico border crossing on the freeway overpass. I'm sure it completely disoriented tourists and passers through. Lee Rich Thomas wrote: Stayed at the old hotel there one night on our way to Taos a few years ago when the road north was closed due to snow. Two kids, two dogs, two rooms and a lot of fun. Found out later that my cousin had stayed there for a week while working on some architecture activity in town. Was watching No Country for Old Men movie a year or two later, and at one scene, I said, Hey that looks familiar! The scene was filmed in the hotel lobby, looked just like it did when we were there. --R On 6/27/11 11:33 PM, Lee wrote: Rory wrote: But Governor Susana Martinez just said on KRQE that all is safe at LANL!!! Sitting in Edgewood and looking to the north and the thunder clouds near Santa Fe. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Here in the original Las Vegas, we got our first rain of the year a couple of hours ago, at least 15 minutes of the real deal. Came down so hard it filled my rainwater catchment a quarter full. Yay, monsoon! Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mandatory Evacuation Called
Also- I am told the fire is less than four miles away from an area where thousands of 55 gallon drums of nuclear waste containing plutonium as well as solvents and other toxic chemicals are being stored above ground in fabric tents, waiting to be trucked to Carlsbad. Firefighters are scrambling to cut a fire line between the fire and the waste storage. For context, it is estimated that one tenth of a microgram of plutonium in airborne, oxide form is enough to give an individual an unacceptably high exposure, the consequences of which can range from radiation pneumonitis (short term, high exposure) to lung cancer (long term.) Doing the math, one gram would be enough to poison ten million people. Lee Craig wrote: The fire, which started yesterday at 1:00 p.m., grew overnight to over 43,000 acres. Since the wind has shifted to the south, the emergency managers have decided to call a mandatory evacuation for the town. We are packing up now and I will shut our computer down as the last thing out of the house, so I am still checking email. We will have our cell phone, (505) 231-5428, with us. Your prayers are appreciated. Craig P.S. In case you're interested, some links about the situation: http://www.lamonitor.com/ (our local newspaper) http://www.inciweb.org/incident/2385/ http://nmfireinfo.wordpress.com/ P.P.S. As there are only two of us and three vehicles - '94 E420 - '89 Chevy G20 van - '82 240D/3.0 I have had to make a choice: I'll leave the '82 240D/3.0 because the Chevy van can carry a LOT more stuff. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mandatory Evacuation Called
The area in question is called Area G. Those who want to know what's there can google it. I have no need to make stuff up. To those who are downwinders, and there are many in New Mexico, this is no joke. Lee Mountain Man wrote: --R wrote: Uh oh, total buzz kill on that. Maybe, but I doubt Lee would speak up without good info - as we all know the real cruelty of this list and others... I bet this stuff has been there since Hanford Engineering Works quit. I would guess we will never see the tally on what each nuke cost as the work was so spread out and nobody even accounts the generations of clean-up needed all along the line at each site in the process. I was offered a job atWestinghouse Hanford in '78. In searching there recently, it would appear that there is not a greater concentration of brain trust on the planet than seems to show at Hanford/Tri-Cities. Amazing. And amazing toxic clean-up for generations to come there, if I am not totally buzzing that kill... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mandatory Evacuation Called
Max Dillon wrote: Ok, here is what I found: The anti-nuclear watchdog group Concerned Citizens for Nuclear Safety, however, said the fire appeared to be about 3 1/2 miles from a dumpsite where as many as 30,000 55-gallon drums of plutonium-contaminated waste were stored in fabric tents above ground. Seems like these folks just might have an agenda? Max Yes. They put that nuclear waste near that fire. OK, Seriously, googling Area G and Los Alamos returns over 8,000 hits, and most of them will confirm what is at the waste site. Unlikely all of the postings have an agenda. Some of them are from LANL. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mandatory Evacuation Called
Rory wrote: But Governor Susana Martinez just said on KRQE that all is safe at LANL!!! Sitting in Edgewood and looking to the north and the thunder clouds near Santa Fe. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Here in the original Las Vegas, we got our first rain of the year a couple of hours ago, at least 15 minutes of the real deal. Came down so hard it filled my rainwater catchment a quarter full. Yay, monsoon! Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gray water recycling systems
The stuff in a septic tank is blackwater. You can also install a sludgehammer which will change the breakdown of your septic goo to a much cleaner aerobic decomposition and lessen the possibility of your blackwater recycling system crapping up your leachfield and making you ill. Randy Bennell wrote: On 24/06/2011 2:30 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: I've got a groundwater well for a water supply, so my septic tank and drainfield make up a 'gray water recycling system'. _ Let me suggest having your water tested regularly. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Dirty Little Secret Behind the Chevy VOLT....
Electric vehicles have a problem - grid-based electricity in the US is dirtier than just running an economical gas-burner. Wind power has a problem - wind being an intermittent source of energy, it only makes sense when coupled with a storage device, but the grid has zero storage capacity. But electric vehicles are a place to store energy. Maybe wind farms near municipalities should include wired parking lots for lots of electric vehicles. That would to some degree address both problems, the cars would charge from a clean energy source and the wind farms would be connected to batteries. Lee LWB250 wrote: Points well taken, Tim. The one thing that nags at me regarding the electric vehicles is how much gas/coal/oil has to be burned to produce the electricity to charge or run them? I never see this in the information, and I think it's a very relevant aspect of the whole electric vehicle thing. Dan From: Tim C bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Dirty Little Secret Behind the Chevy VOLT More than that, the anemic sales of the Volt are clearly due to supply issues, since dealers don't have them in stock and can't get them. The Leaf is having similar issues. I suspect part of it, like was done with the early hybrids, is limiting supply so as to work bugs out with committed early adopters. For what it's worth I have trouble seeing the Volt called an electric vehicle; it is a hybrid just like my Escape, except it has a night plug for precharging the battery, and is built to Chevrolet (versus FORD :) standards. I am not a fan of the idea that all cars should have the same propulsion system. Some are better suited to certain things, for example I don't think many in this forum will argue that diesels are the best choice for short trips around town, or drag racing, but I am pretty sure many of us agree that diesels are the best for distance and highway travel. Electric vehicles have been in use for more than a century, and among other things make good delivery vehicles, and are common for low-speed or fixed-location applications already. I don't get why the same folks who curse California for banning diesels get upset that battery cars are going into production. I am not arguing that the government -should- be subsidizing the cost of the cars, but I can see the argument that it is only making up for the support for oil, ethanol, and to a lesser degree biodiesel production. Best, Tim who killed the electric car (purchase because it is too expensive, for now) On Jun 18, 2011 9:46 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Apple Tree
Do you prune your apple trees in the fall? This is the first and best way to protect against over-production of undersized, unhappy fruit. It's an important practice, not only to prevent over-production of fruit, but to give the tree a good structure and keep the canopy open enough that light can get through to all of the branches. Lee Mitch Haley wrote: Douglas wrote: When and how much do I thin the fruit out? I'd like to know too. My semi-dwarves were way overloaded last year. I don't think another bumper crop of undersized apples this year would be a good idea. I'd assume the sooner the better with thinning. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Dirty Little Secret Behind the Chevy VOLT....
I'm pretty sure that the printing of government regulations is not the primary cause of global deforestation. Last time I checked, the timber, ranching and agricultural sectors had something to do with it. And you forgot about the hybrid and electric-car induced global rare-earth shortage that is causing dirty, polluting mines to reopen. Lee G Mann wrote: I object, the whole idea that electric vehicles are clean is a manufactured lie. First, the entire electronics industry uses and makes some of the nastiest chemicals in history, which stay in the environment for lifetimes, not days. No natural thing eats them or breaks them down. Second, batteries, which are the heart and soul of electric cars, are a disposal problem by themselves, and getting more so as the switch to lythium and other exotics is made. Third, the lie that burning coal, or nuke plants in a remote location producing electricity to charge these electric cars is somehow clean cause it doesn't happen in my back yard is more BS. Pollution is pollution, nothing is free. Fourth, The whole idea that government and only government will make choices for us counters the whole land of the free, home of the brave idea of America. The real world numbers don't add up, unless you use Al Bore math, for the whole electric car / save the earth thing. CO2 comes out of combustion,, plants breathe CO2 plant more, instead of chopping down trees to make paper to print more government regulations... save the world from ignorant decisions and global warming will solve it's self in the next natural cycle ice age. On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 6:07 AM, Lee einer...@yahoo.com wrote: Electric vehicles have a problem - grid-based electricity in the US is dirtier than just running an economical gas-burner. Wind power has a problem - wind being an intermittent source of energy, it only makes sense when coupled with a storage device, but the grid has zero storage capacity. But electric vehicles are a place to store energy. Maybe wind farms near municipalities should include wired parking lots for lots of electric vehicles. That would to some degree address both problems, the cars would charge from a clean energy source and the wind farms would be connected to batteries. Lee LWB250 wrote: Points well taken, Tim. The one thing that nags at me regarding the electric vehicles is how much gas/coal/oil has to be burned to produce the electricity to charge or run them? I never see this in the information, and I think it's a very relevant aspect of the whole electric vehicle thing. Dan From: Tim C bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Dirty Little Secret Behind the Chevy VOLT More than that, the anemic sales of the Volt are clearly due to supply issues, since dealers don't have them in stock and can't get them. The Leaf is having similar issues. I suspect part of it, like was done with the early hybrids, is limiting supply so as to work bugs out with committed early adopters. For what it's worth I have trouble seeing the Volt called an electric vehicle; it is a hybrid just like my Escape, except it has a night plug for precharging the battery, and is built to Chevrolet (versus FORD :) standards. I am not a fan of the idea that all cars should have the same propulsion system. Some are better suited to certain things, for example I don't think many in this forum will argue that diesels are the best choice for short trips around town, or drag racing, but I am pretty sure many of us agree that diesels are the best for distance and highway travel. Electric vehicles have been in use for more than a century, and among other things make good delivery vehicles, and are common for low-speed or fixed-location applications already. I don't get why the same folks who curse California for banning diesels get upset that battery cars are going into production. I am not arguing that the government -should- be subsidizing the cost of the cars, but I can see the argument that it is only making up for the support for oil, ethanol, and to a lesser degree biodiesel production. Best, Tim who killed the electric car (purchase because it is too expensive, for now) On Jun 18, 2011 9:46 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go
Re: [MBZ] OT Apple Tree
I neither spray pesticides nor use chemical fertilizers. Just a shovel-full of compost now and then. I do plant my apple trees as a guild with other friendly plants to help meet the apple's needs, including perennial nitrogen fixers. Insectaries like dill, fennel, yarrow, lovage attract predatory wasps which in turn keep down the unwelcome bugs. Good advice on the pruning. Lee Peter Frederick wrote: Standard practice, if I remember correctly, is to thin in june AFTER the natural drop occurs. There is usually some spontaneous fruit drop in early to mid June, and if that doesn't reduce the crop to around one fruit per 4-6 of branch, you need to thin manually. The fewer apples there are, the larger they will get, generally. Pruning is also very important -- if this is a young tree, you should pick three or four strong branches that do NOT meet in a common place and make a stick with a nail or wire in each end and use them as braces between the trunk and branch fo hold them down and out. Prune all upward shoots off the side branches, you want the tree to spread out, not grow up, which is it's natural tendency. It should look fairly bare -- keep all branches open to sunlight, no internal shading of branches, and don't let it grow upwards once you have a set of nice framework branches. Pretty much the opposite of a Bradford Pear. Fertilize in the early spring, probably a couple pounds of 12-12-12 for an average sized tree (less for dwarfs, of course). I never sprayed mine, so I can't tell you when or what, but DO NOT spray ANY pesticide from a couple days before bud break until a couple days after the end of petal fall -- otherwise you will poison someone's bees and get poor fruit set. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Apple Tree
True. Over-fertilizing, particularly with chemical fertilizers, also creates super-abundant nitrogen in the foliage which makes your plants much more attractive to insect pests. Which then drives you to use the pesticides in addition to the chemical fertilizers. Or so I have read. Lee Dieselhead wrote: Established apple trees seldom (Never) need fertilizer in the midwest. Don't know about your area, but it sounds like you have worked to establish a good system, so fertilizer is probably not needed unless the leaves show a nutrient deficiency. Fertilizer is probably the most overused, wasted product in the world. It is always blamed on agriculture, but suburban lawns and glof courses are the most overfertilized patches of earth on the planet. Without using Sevin or hormone, hand thinning is your option, and the sooner the better. As Peter and others have said, the best method of thinning is pruning in dormancy. However, unless you have varieties subject to fire blight, you can prune anytime. For my .02, it is best pr prune when the trees are dormant. I neither spray pesticides nor use chemical fertilizers. Just a shovel-full of compost now and then. I do plant my apple trees as a guild with other friendly plants to help meet the apple's needs, including perennial nitrogen fixers. Insectaries like dill, fennel, yarrow, lovage attract predatory wasps which in turn keep down the unwelcome bugs. Good advice on the pruning. Lee Peter Frederick wrote: Standard practice, if I remember correctly, is to thin in june AFTER the natural drop occurs. There is usually some spontaneous fruit drop in early to mid June, and if that doesn't reduce the crop to around one fruit per 4-6 of branch, you need to thin manually. The fewer apples there are, the larger they will get, generally. Pruning is also very important -- if this is a young tree, you should pick three or four strong branches that do NOT meet in a common place and make a stick with a nail or wire in each end and use them as braces between the trunk and branch fo hold them down and out. Prune all upward shoots off the side branches, you want the tree to spread out, not grow up, which is it's natural tendency. It should look fairly bare -- keep all branches open to sunlight, no internal shading of branches, and don't let it grow upwards once you have a set of nice framework branches. Pretty much the opposite of a Bradford Pear. Fertilize in the early spring, probably a couple pounds of 12-12-12 for an average sized tree (less for dwarfs, of course). I never sprayed mine, so I can't tell you when or what, but DO NOT spray ANY pesticide from a couple days before bud break until a couple days after the end of petal fall -- otherwise you will poison someone's bees and get poor fruit set. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem
I agree. Verify by connecting a USB keyboard and firing up the system. FWIW, working keyboards can often be had for a buck or two at Salvation Army and other thrift stores. Lee Mitch Haley wrote: USB keyboard? Or even a ps/2 to USB keyboard adapter? It sounds like your PS/2 port is dead. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned
I compost. Problem solved. Don't have a garden? Make friends with someone who does, and barter a swap of compostables for veg. Lee WILTON wrote: Agreed. Wilton - Original Message - From: Barry Stark barryst...@verizon.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned Jerry - I don't know about NYC laws but I did manage apartments for 18 years in So. California and during that time, believe me, I fixed a lot of clogged drains due to GD clogs. GD manufactures will tell you how wonderful their machines are and that they can grind most anything. Well they may be great but that doesn't mean the waste line can handle the resultant debris. Here is the real scoop from both many plumbers and the school of hard knocks. When washing dishes pour as much grease or oils as possible into a can or jar, let it cool and solidify and dispose. Scrape as much food waste from plates etc. as possible with your fingers or a spatula and put that in the garbage. Any material left on the dish can go down the GD as you rinse it off. That is what GD's were really meant to do. They weren't meant to be food processors or leaf mulchers. As they grind they must have the cold water running, never the hot, and after they finish grinding run the cold water in copious amounts to help flush the debris for at least the count of 10. I would even count to ten for them as I was explaining the rules. These simple rules will alleviate almost all GD caused waste line plugs. These were my house rules that renters had to sign up to at the commencement of tenancy. If the renter broke those rules and the debris in the drain bore evidence of that, then they paid the bill to unclog the drain. Put it in your house rules as an addendum and serve it as a legal notice. When they know that they are responsible for paying the bill, it is amazing how the problems diminish. If someone insists in not following these rules, and you are foolish enough to let them do their own thing, then at least follow these two basic rules. Never ever put any fibrous vegetable down any GD. Examples: celery stalks. artichokes, asparagus, etc. If they want to put hot grease or oil down the drain they must have the cold water running never the hot and again after they finish grinding run the cold water in copious amounts to help flush the debris for at least the count of 10. One other thing that can save lots of bathtub clogs, or kitchen sink if they wash their hair in the sink, is to buy them drain covers with small holes to catch the hair. This is especially true with folks with long hair and sorry if I sound racist or cruel, but especially folks that have long coarse black hair or if they are the in the later stages of chemotherapy when the hair comes out in large quantities. Follow all these rules and you will thank me. Barry -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes- boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Herrman Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 4:55 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Garbage Disposers Banned So, we have a rental and as we are leaving our house yesterday evening to attend a meeting, the resident calls to say that the kitchen sink is clogged up. Being booked solid for the next 24 hours or so, I call a plumber to take care of the problem. He calls after doing the job to say that sweet potato peelings were run through the garbage disposer (GD) and bunched up in the J bend causing the blockage. He removed and replaced the trap, and took out the peelings. He proceeds to say that this house was built before the use of garbage disposers, and is not designed to have a GD. He recommends removing the disposer and restoring the original configuration under the sink. I am not inclined to follow his reommendation, believing it to be a desirable feature for residents. He says that NYC and other cities have banned garbage disposers. My question: Why have some cities banned GD's? Jerry 1982 240D Does not run on potato peels __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Propagating French lavender
You'll likely have a greater success rate if you rubber band a baggie over the the top of the pot also, to retain the humidity. Lee Russ Williams wrote: Andrew, I called a local nursery and talked to the owner, who has a radio show here on Sat morn. He agrees with Rich. Small 2-4 inch tender shoot dip in Rooting Powder plant in Sterile Potting Soil. Keep Moist NOT Soaking wet. Should see roots in 3 to 4 weeks. Keep soil above 72? . Russ On 5/8/2011 5:47 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Cut off a shoot and put some rooting powder on the end, stick it in some moist potting soil and it should take. --R On 5/8/2011 6:29 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: We have two splendid mature French lavender bushes I'd love to propagate. I tried layering (burying branches) and immersion of new shoots in a vase but no roots sprouted. Anyone BTDT? Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3624 - Release Date: 05/08/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow weekend
I am off to work on a rental property. No dermaters, peppers or eggplans, but I do have scarlet runner beans and tomatillos getting ready for outdoor planting. Quelites are volunteering and walking onions and garlic chives are plotting a takeover of vacant garden areas. Fava beans have been direct seeded but thus far have not poked their heads above ground. We are in a severe drought and all outdoor watering has been banned. My herbaceous friends will be making it on greywater and the much-prayed-for rainfall this year. Lee Dieselhead wrote: Everybody must be working on yards/gardens or cars. I am planting dermaters peppers and eggplans and changing starter and glow plugs. Sorry Andrew, no cat poop on my dermaders. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying a Foreclosure
The title company should make sure that the purchase price is adjusted for outstanding taxes during the closing. I bought a foreclosure about a year and a half ago. You should also be aware that they are generally sold as is, so make sure you have the property thoroughly inspected before you commit. Lee Allan Streib wrote: No experience. I'd say be sure you know if the property taxes are paid up, so you're not surprised by extra thousands in back taxes. The first house we bought was a bank-owned property, but the foreclosure was already complete and we just bought it from the bank, a totally normal transaction otherwise. Allan LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com writes: Anyone up to speed on buying a foreclosed property? We are looking at one in our old neighborhood that is about to go to the courthouse steps. I have a local real estate attorney (friend and former neighbor) who I am going to be discussing this with in detail shortly, but was curious as to if anyone on the list has been involved in a foreclosure purchase... Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Algae the alternative energy source.... or pipe dream?
A couple of enterprising fellows up here were determined to make their fortunes from algal biodiesel, and hustled some grant money to research it, but it went nowhere. Blue-green algae is up to 50 percent oil. Great for biodiesel. But that means that it's also at least 50 percent stuff that's NOT oil, but rather water, protein, carbohydrate, etc. The big tech challenge is not in growing the stuff, it's in finding an efficient, low input, straightforward way of bursting the cells of the algae and separating the oil from the rest of it. Figure that out, and your sitting on a gold mine. Otherwise, your sitting on a wet pile of algae, which is not anywhere near as glamorous. Lee ernest breakfield wrote: i've seen in the recent past where algae was being used to create BioDiesel; it's just that this article isn't clear, and i don't dare ASSuME that this is the case unless specified. we're reminded all-too-often how ignorant much of Amerika and the US newstainment industry is when it comes to compression ignition,... cheers! e On 27/Apr/11 12:44, Allan Streib wrote: On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:37 -0700, ernest breakfielderne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: pity the article isn't more clear about whether they're talking about fuel for spark or compression ignition engines. I would think it would make more sense to make diesel fuel out of it, but I'm not sure whether the chemistry agrees. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] raccoons
Woodsman tradition is that you never kill a porcupine. The reason is that although plenty prickly, they are slow-moving and loaded with fat, so if you ever become lost or stranded in the wild, THEN you kill 'em and cook 'em up; they're easy game and you really only need a club to do one in. Or so I'm told. Never killed a porcupine, myself. Out of respect for the tradition. Lee Curt Raymond wrote: I was telling a guy in class last week about our porcupine troubles at camp and he asked if we ever eat them... I imagine its a fair amount of work to skin one out. Unsurprisingly the guy is from the south. -Curt Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:34:08 + From: buymbpa...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] raccoons Message-ID: 889331303-1303925649-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1198839...@bda100.bisx.prod.on.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 I once had a warehouse employee that had raccoon every year for Thanksgiving. He and his dad would go hunting earlier in the week and always get a 15 or more pound one. His mom marinated it in OJ for 2 days then cooked like a turkey. I asked him to bring me some one Thanksgiving and he said he couldn't. There were never any leftovers. Must have been some good eats. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] other rodents, was possums, was never MB
In Detroit we had rats like that. Kinda rats that would hide behind a dumpster and yell Here, kitty, kitty. Cat-sized rats. Norwegian wharf rats, hog-fat from all the garbage overflowing the chronically un-emptied city dumpsters. I had been living in Motown for only a few days when I heard a pop, pop coming from the alley. I go back there, and there's five or six old boys sitting in lawn chairs, sucking on bottles of cheap wine and firing off their Saturday night specials at the rats as they ran from dumpster to dumpster. I guess it was a neighborhood sport. Lee Rich Thomas wrote: One night some years ago I was standing out in my front yard (in a suburban yet well-developed area) at 11PM or so, looking at the moon and stars. I feel something rubbing against my legs, figured it was the neighbor's cat, so I kinda kick it away. A few seconds later I feel it again, give it another kick, then look down to see this possum getting quite friendly. I had seen them around before, occasionally one squashed in the street. I kinda stomped and shooed it, it sorta ambled off, looking back at me as it was going, acting pissed I had shooed it off. Too funny. --R On 4/27/2011 6:08 PM, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: I had a similar situation with a possum in my fenced in back yard. One night around 1:00am I hear both my dogs going crazy. I walk outside to see what was up and they had this possum cornered up against the wooden fence. This rascal was standing up showing his teeth and hissing. I went back in the house and got a .22 rifle and shot it twice. All it did was really make him mad. I know it is illegal but I went back inside, got my .38 special with hollow points and put 2 in his head. He went down fast. The next morning I put him in the garbage. I am just glad the cops didn't come. Tough to explain firing a weapon in the city limits. Don't know what I would do the next time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beyond OT: How to bait a trap to catch a wascally wabbit
Agreed. A couple of years ago, a rancher came to me asking how she could control the gopher epidemic on her property without poison. Weird, I said, that the snakes and coyotes aren't doing the job for you. Coyotes? She replied. Hell, we shot all of them. Mother Nature is the original gardener, and she's been at it for a billion years plus. Cooperate with her and things will go smoothly. Fight her and, after a long and costly conflict, you will lose. Predator piss will tend to keep the wee beasties away. You can buy fox urine for this purpose online. Lee Fmiser wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: Pellet gun, crossbow (more challenging), poison, or a pet eagle or hawk. Please not poison. A reason the rabbits are a problem is too few predators... And since the poisoned animal will attract the attention of the predators that are around... And since the poison will likely kill the predator too... Please avoid poison if there is any other method that will work. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna
Thanks for your input, everyone. The power antenna has bitten me a couple of times now, stopping just short of fully retracting, causing the motor to run until the battery died. It's cute and fun to have the antenna go up and down when I turn the radio on and off. But it's a raging PITA when it becomes persnickety. So I am going with the simpler, perhaps more hillbilly option of disconnecting the power to the antenna and leaving it extended. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Dead power antenna
My battery went dead after a 20 below zero night and I figured that the cold had done the battery in. But no, it was the power antenna, the motor of which had kept running when the car was shut off. I opened it up, tested it, and the motor is making noises, but not turning the worm gear. Is there any hope for the old Hirshmann, or do I need to go shopping for a new power antenna unit. And if so, where? Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead power antenna
Sorry for the omission - it's a 1980 300CD. Jaime Kopchinski wrote: The guys at Becker Autosound do Hirschmann rebuilds for reasonable prices... You can also try to get a used unit. Beware of the generic replacement antennas... they don't fit the same, look the same, or function the same. http://www.beckerautosound.com/ You didn't mention the year of the car this would determine what antenna you need. Jaime On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Lee einer...@yahoo.com wrote: My battery went dead after a 20 below zero night and I figured that the cold had done the battery in. But no, it was the power antenna, the motor of which had kept running when the car was shut off. I opened it up, tested it, and the motor is making noises, but not turning the worm gear. Is there any hope for the old Hirshmann, or do I need to go shopping for a new power antenna unit. And if so, where? Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1987 Veggie Oil Mercedes - $600 (Centerville)
Allan Streib wrote: Now the ground around the area is saturated with vegetable oil, and the local enviro officials are saying all the soil has to be dug out and removed at his expense, and he might also get nailed for unpaid road fuel taxes. Pretty wacky. I wouldn't use fryer veg oil as a fertilizer, but there's nothing particularly toxic about it. If they THINK it's that toxic, why are they allowing restaurants to serve us food that's been fried in it? Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 - 240D - Engine heater plug
Glow plugs working? R A Bennell wrote: My 76 300D gets to where it really does not want to start up even at 50 F even with the block heater plugged in. It cranks pretty good and tries to start but often takes several tries and runs pretty slow until it really gets going. I know you folks have told me I need to check my valve adjustments but have yet to do it. It runs fine in warmer weather and I rarely need to run it in the cooler weather so it has not really caused me much grief. It sounds like it is not hitting on all cylinders and I have to keep the starter cranking longer than I like so I am concerned that I may do some ultimate harm to the starter. Maybe, if the weather holds for another week or two, I will pull the cover and have a go at it. I put the car in the garage last night and it may well stay there until spring. The insurance has been changed to storage only so I cannot drive it now in any event. Randy in the GWN On 02/11/2010 9:43 PM, OK Don wrote: The 617 in the '76 300D started great with M1 at -5, but would hardly crank with dino oil without the engine heater. ou are right - the 60x engines are a whole different story - great engines all around. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: U, no. BTDT got the t-shirt. At -10F a 616 is iffy, at -20F it will not start Mobil 1 be dammed. That was with my '83 240D, the starter just can't spin the engine fast enough long enough to start at that temp. 60x engine is a whole different story. -Curt OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MacBook question
Nice. How screwed would we be if our cars were powered by Windows? Car crash and Blue screen of death would take on entirely new significance. Lee Gerry Archer wrote: Thanks, Curt. got it. Gerry --- #1. Force quit mail. I forget what the key combination for force quit is, option-command something, I'm sure Google knows. #2. Hold the power button for 30 seconds (feels like forever) which will shut the computer off. Remember this if you're in an unintended acceleration Toyota too, press and HOLD. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Recipes for Pickled hot peppers and pole beans
Here in rural New Mexico, the old timers say you should eat garlic and onions daily for health and longevity. There's lots of good stuff, medicinal and nutritional, in the alliums, be they onions, garlic, leeks or chives. Lee Walt Zarnoch wrote: Recently I've been on a toasted cheese, garlic, and mustard sandwich kick. Sounds gross, but is quite good. Garlic is also amazing in rice, and to augment that over-salted bland instant ramen-in-a-bag that I sometimes have. I've also taken to putting a tablespoon of minced in with 2 eggs and cheese in the morning. :) Walt, who's great uncle grows garlic On Oct 4, 2010 10:32 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: ALS wrote: I bet you do. I also wager that people shy away from you all morning, if not the ent... ...hmmm... Ya think?... I sit alone and work... so... I really don't know. But, we are a friendly crew, so I would bet they will tell me when it is a bother. Personally, the smell of garlic is alluring when I detect it. Garlic has never been problematic for me to enjoy. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to ww... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Kit Cars, was: Best Porsches
There are also TDI to bug kits, or so I have heard, so you could do a 50 mpg porche kit car. From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 6:19:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Kit Cars, was: Best Porsches On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: How about a replica or kitcar of a Porsche 550 ? Super light, simple, and the powertrain can be had for next to nothing. I think an old Bug would make a great donor car for most of mechanical bits you'd need, and there are endless suppliers offering performance parts for old bug engines. And there are kits to drop a Subaru engine in anywhere you can put a Bug engine, too. How about a 550 or 356 replica with a water-cooled 250 HP turboed flat-four? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: worst of its over
Estimates I've seen on malpractice insurance as part of the healthcare dollar are slightly below two percent. Another interesting statistic is the amount of that slice of the pie actually paid out by the insurers - it is about 50 percent, much worse even than the health insurers that pocket 30 percent. From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 12:14:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: worst of its over I read somewhere that malpractice insurance is less than 2% of healthcare costs - but I don't have any idea how much defensive medicene is costing. I don't have exact figures, but somewhere I thought I heard that doctors spent something like half their income on malpractice insurance. If these figures are at all accurate, that tells you the size piece of the pie doctors are getting, donit? So who's getting the rest, eh? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
Balisongs are fun, and they never get tiresome, at least not until you cut the bejeezuz out of yourself while messing with one. Been there, done that. I still have the butterfly knife that saved my bacon 30 years ago on the streets of Detroit. I favor non-stainless, high-carbon steel for my knives. One of the best I ever had was an Old Timer with a carbon steel blade. That thing held such an edge that if it came to that the other guy would think I missed and be halfway down the street before things started falling off of him. Fortunately, things never did come to that. They still make Old Timers, but have gone to stainless now. Sigh. I also favor chinese chefs knives for the same reason. Good, old-school, high-carbon steel. They do stain, eventually, but I don't buy them to look pretty. Lee From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 5:55:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives Interesting knives? I think my WW1 Spanish saber is interesting On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: Gary: In tools, give me competent and boring every time over interesting and incompetent (whatever that may be). To paraphrase Townsend Whelen: Only competent tools are interesting. Hmmm...I suppose very competent and also interesting would be better still... Some examples of non-boring knives Gary? Greg -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Incite
Some insights can be quite inciteful. From: relng...@aol.com relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 5:25:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Incite ...Definitely inciting. .. He meant insight and there is a big difference between incite and insight. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Defroster kaput
The blower fan on my 1980 300CD just stopped working. Even the defrost doesn't blow. Fuse looks OK. What do you all recommend for diagnosis and treatment? I can do without climate control, but having a working defroster is crucial in this weather. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer help - how diagnose intermittent connectionto internet
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Half the fun is diagnosing the darned thing. Would using the ping command provide any sort of diagnostic result for a bad NIC? I've already used ping just once to make sure I could get to the Bellsouth DSL gateway, and it worked fine. Max That's fairly predictable,though, isn't it? The problem was not lack of connectivity so much as gawdawful slowness IIRC. So you should get your ping packets back. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer help - how diagnose intermittent connection to internet
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Wife uses some MS software that she's wed'ed to, so a different non-MS OS is not really possible. It may well be possible, Max. Wifey's MS software may run well in WINE or Crossover Office and if that's the case you would be good to go with a Linux system. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer help - how diagnose intermittent connection to internet
First, purge your browser cache. I've seen a full cache bugger up the works on Windoze boxes before. Next, try throwing a Mepis disc in your CDROM drive and seeing if you are still bolloxed when running a different browser and OS. That should tell you whether it is a hardware problem or a software problem. Iffn it's a hardware problem, swap out your NIC. If the problem goes away, then you have your answer. If not, try putting a known good NIC in a different PCI slot. If it's a software problem, well, you are running XP Home. You could try to clean up any malware, or wipe it and reinstall. Or follow the true path to enlightenment and install Linux. Lee Max Dillon wrote: Folks, Need some diagnostic methods to figure out a nagging problem. Computer is a dell desktop, 6 years old or so, with XP Home OS. Over the last year it has developed a badly intermittent internet/ethernet connection, to the point where a web page will only load on one out of two or three attempts, sometimes one in ten attempts. I've plugged a different computer in on the same ethernet cable (which connects to our DSL modem) and had no problems at all, so I'm pretty sure the problem is resident on this dell box. It has an old version of Internet Explorer. I keep Symantec firewall/anti-virus up to date (and always have) and install all the patches to the OS etc. as they are released. Thanks in advance, Max -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090823/aad0d315/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer help - how diagnose intermittent connection to internet
You don't want to do it through internet explorer. There is an option in the IE menu tree which gets it done. Here's how you do it in IE 6. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie6/using/howto/customizing/clearcache.mspx I haven't used either Windows or IE for more than a decade. I found linux was far more conducive to inner peace. Lee archer wrote: From: Lee Einer l...@dosmanosjewelry.com First, purge your browser cache. I've seen a full cache bugger up the works on Windoze boxes beforesnip Hi Lee, Where is the browser cache (IE on WindowsXP)? I looked at the IE programs using Windows Explorer but couldn't find a cache anywhere. Once in a while when loading a website I'll get a field that says: Stack overload or Stack overflow. Does Ccleaner (Crap Cleaner) fix that? Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] black goo in fuel
My wife's 1980 300CD has been getting black goo in the fuel system. Recently, we had to replace the in line fuel filter twice on a 120 mile trip. What to do? I just called our local diesel repair shop. The helpful mechanic said that there was no way to clean the tank and that we would have to have a replacement fuel tank installed. LOL, I think not. How do y'all deal with algae or bad diesel crapping up your filters? Any helpful advice? Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Power antenna not working
Hi, all - The power antenna on my 1980 300CD has ceased going up and down. It stuck about halfway a few days ago and bled the battery down trying to lower itself the rest of the way, but that is another story. It is now in the fully retracted position. Should I just get a new mast and hope for the best? Should I pull the whole mess and replace? And what is the procedure for removing and replacing the mast? Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man
Before you purchased your first home, did you rent, or did you live in your mom's house? If the former, which of your listed renter categories best applied to you? And what do you mean by minorities? Do you mean renters are in the minority, or is there something else you are getting at? Lee Gary Hurst wrote: in the USA, renters are transients. criminals. convicted sex felons. meth addicts. minorities. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Audacity recording
For one, you need to hit the stop button before you can save. Loren Faeth wrote: OK, Youse guys recommended Audacity. I think I was successful to record from a microphone with it. At least there are lots of squiggles on the chart that scrolls across. It won't let me save what I apparently have. The Save is grayed out as are a lot of other things on the various menus. I tried to highlight the recording , but that didn't seem to make the save as show up. I have tried lots of things, but can't get it to save. I don't really want to loose the recording. The audacity help is helpless in this case. What am I missing? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Audacity recording
Have you tried exporting as a .wav or .mp3 file? Lee Loren Faeth wrote: yes, did that. Then tried everything i could think of to get it to save the file. It has been sitting on my desktop for a few days while I tried to figure out how to save the file. It is about an hour and 20 minutes long. At 08:33 PM 1/20/2009, you wrote: For one, you need to hit the stop button before you can save. Loren Faeth wrote: OK, Youse guys recommended Audacity. I think I was successful to record from a microphone with it. At least there are lots of squiggles on the chart that scrolls across. It won't let me save what I apparently have. The Save is grayed out as are a lot of other things on the various menus. I tried to highlight the recording , but that didn't seem to make the save as show up. I have tried lots of things, but can't get it to save. I don't really want to loose the recording. The audacity help is helpless in this case. What am I missing? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
LarryT wrote: You wrote turning away a very sick person because of insurance issues is not a mistake it's capitalism at it's worst Actually, it's illegal - signs are posted openly throughout the hospital - near ER, REception, on every floor in hallways - etc - only a blind person would miss it. It states that anyone regardless of ability to pay, insurance or not will receive emergency medical treatment Its not illegal at all. You need to understand what emergency treatment means in this context. It means they stabilize you and get you the hell out. It may not even mean that they set your broken limb, just that you are not in immediate danger of death. They will not give you a kidney. They will not give you a triple bypass. They will not treat your cancer. They will stabilize you post-trauma or post acute event, e.g., stroke, and then you are out on the street. An estimated 18,000 people die in the U.S., per year, because of lack of access to medical treatment. Think of it as five or six World Trade Center attacks, per year. Same casualties. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Computer died
I'd give it a try swapping the power supply out. Mo cheap, mo easy. If you go to the time and expense of swapping motherboards only to discover that it was the power supply gone flaky, you likely be even more vexed. Swapping out power supplies only takes a couple of minutes. Lee m...@voyager.net wrote: Merry Christmas to me. My 2004 eMachine refuses to boot. The led pilot light on the MB is glowing. The CMOS battery is good. When I unplug it and plug it back in, the CPU fan spins for a second then stops. Hitting the Power button does nothing. I unplugged the power switch from the MB and jumpered the terminals, nothing happened, so that rules out the power switch. Either the MB won't power up, or it's not telling the power supply to power up, or the power supply is finished. I'm guessing Motherboard. Anybody think it's worth my time to swap in a different ATX power supply? Stupid thing was working fine four hours ago. Mitch. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081225/cfc3e73f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Laptop Recovery
www.edgetechcorp.com Just got a couple of ramsticks from them for my better half's archaic laptop. Installed smoothly, work fine. $50 got her from 128 meg of ram to a gig. Lee Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: maybe I have the wrong kind of pc133 then, just bought a bunch on ebay to try. it was cheap. Crucial does have some listed, but if I cant find some that will bump it up mmore, I will just forget about it. Funny thing is, I have 2 sticks of identical 256k pc133 ram, with both in there, it beeps and will not boot. Will boot with one or the other in, but not both at the same time. For some reason, its not liking the full 512 Curt Raymond wrote: Not all PC133 memory is the same, theres a timing standard of some sort, I can't remember what its called exactly, EC2 or something like that. Its been so long since I've had to deal with it I've forgotten. Does Crucial have the memory for your computer? Probably easier and cheaper to buy from them. I paid just over $60 for 2GB for my Linux machine which has cured a bunch of issues with it being kinda pokey. -Curt Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:13:18 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Laptop Recovery To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 495010fe.8090...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I used that cruicial tool to find out how much I can go with one of my other computers the kids use. It says 256k in each slot, 2 slots, max. Said pc133. I have a whole bunch now and I can only get a certain 256 stick to work in one slot and a 64 I think in the other. I cant go the full 512. And it wont use most of the memory I have even though its 133 etc, just beeps when powered on and will not boot. What the heck? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081222/f01f61a4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: 12/22/2008 11:23 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Hominy
Likewise, if it's sin maiz, it ain't menudo. The breakfast of champions, I swear by it. Lee Robert Rentfro wrote: Loren typed: I've not found anyone who would even agree to taste hominy, I enjoy it in posole. Usually this time of year. Good stuff. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
I think Mr. Moore is pretty credible on healthcare. I worked in the healthcare field for close to 20 years, ended up a whistleblower on fraud and corruption. Remember the insurance company hitman in Sicko who explained how insurance companies bumped people off their policies to avoid paying big-ticket claims? That was me. And I stand by what I said. Lee Hendrik Fay wrote: Moore used Canada, Great Britain, France and Cuba's health systems as examples of ones where the collective pays for the individual to get treated for medical problems. According to him all those countries peoples have a longer life expectancy than those in the US and lower infant mortality (although according to the WHO statistics Cuba is lower than the US). Of course you can't entirely blame the health system on this but it makes you wonder if a profit driven system is a good idea. From memory the US is ranked 37 on the list of good health care systems, whilst expenditure per capita is number 1. http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Also spends the second most as a % of GDP http://www.photius.com/rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html So this leads me to think that money is not the problem but how and on what it is spend in the system. Whilst Australia is ranked 29 in the % of GDP and 17 in per capita and the overall rank in 2000 was 32 but number 2 in life expectancy. I can understand Japan being number one in the life expectancy rank, probably due to diet and genetics but Australia is a mixed bag (as the US is) and our indigenous population has a shocking life expectancy rate. Hendrik who is not a statistician harry watkins wrote: The medical system we have allows for constant improvements that lead to longer life, I think statistics will attest to that. Putting it under government control will stifle the progress we expect. It seems that the USA is the place to go for the best medical care in the world and people from all over the world show up here when they can afford the best. Every time we open the gates, people come in, very few go out. I've been around for a long time, I've lived in large and small cities and towns. I have never heard or seen of one of these terrible situations where someone suffers because treatment was refused in areas where I've been, have you? Anyone on this list that knows of those things happening, I wish you would share the stories with us. Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
I see that many on this thread are arguing from ideology rather than data. Perhaps the most important fact is that under the U.S. system millions of people have no coverage at all. And an estimated 18,000 per year join the choir celestial due to lack of access to health care. And this does not even include deaths by denial inflicted by insurance companies. This all despite the fact that the U.S. pays twice as much per capita for healthcare as any other country. Twice as much, PER CAPITA, and millions of people have no coverage. So in millions of cases, we are paying twice as much for nothing at all. harry watkins wrote: The medical system we have allows for constant improvements that lead to longer life, I think statistics will attest to that. Putting it under government control will stifle the progress we expect. It seems that the USA is the place to go for the best medical care in the world and people from all over the world show up here when they can afford the best. Every time we open the gates, people come in, very few go out. I've been around for a long time, I've lived in large and small cities and towns. I have never heard or seen of one of these terrible situations where someone suffers because treatment was refused in areas where I've been, have you? Anyone on this list that knows of those things happening, I wish you would share the stories with us. Harry - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:08 AM Subject: [MBZ] Socialism Yes but a Government is charged with looking after ALL it's citizens. Plenty of use think that it is, in fact, not. At the start of the movie Moore showed a bloke putting stitches in his knee because he has no health insurance, are you saying that he would have gotten treated at the local hospital for free? As I understand it, yes. I do believe there is a system in place called unemployment benefits which enable those with no means to buy food, although if they do or not is questionable. Those are State-run, not Federal, and such benefits are limited to those who have been employed. Also, they run out, and there are often strings attached. All as it should be, IMHO. I don't believe in funding charity at the point of a gun, which is what any State-run program is. Our system is badly broken, but I haven't seen any other system that I believe is fundamentally better, all things considered. I think that what we just signed up for, a Health Savings Account in conjunction with a high deductible, is one of the better ideas I've heard about. What we _need_, is a health care system that encourages competition, and thus the application of everybody's brain, rather than some hidden somebody-else-pays-except-that-it's-really-me-if-you-dig-deep-enough kind of system. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
Jim Cathey wrote: At the start of the movie Moore showed a bloke putting stitches in his knee because he has no health insurance, are you saying that he would have gotten treated at the local hospital for free? As I understand it, yes. Jim, that is a popular misconception. People get wheeled to the curb with unset broken limbs every day in this country because they can't pay and have no insurance. Federal law requires hospitals to treat you if your condition is life-threatening and you are not stabilized - for example, it would be illegal to kick you to the curb while you were having a stroke or a heart attack. The guy sewing his leg up was hurting and needed medical care but was in no danger of bleeding out. He would not have gotten free treatment in a U.S. hospital. In fact, if you do not have insurance, you do not get free treatment, period. The hospital will still come after you for payment, send you to a collection agency, etc. If in the end they are unable to collect from any payment source, that is when it turns out to be free. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
Doesn't surprise me. I lived in Detroit for more than a decade, and the folks over the bridge in Windsor, at least those I spoke to, were really pretty happy with their health insurance. I had a (formerly) Canadian co-worker who had lived under both their system and ours, and she was in retrospect quite appreciative of Canadian health care. What many people don't get is how incredibly lucrative U.S. healthcare is. It is the sixth ranking sector of our economy. A corollary of this is that there is immense money and power behind the preservation of the status quo. What many people also don't get is that the American healthcare system does very well at what it is intended to do - make money. No kidding, I've been there, it is a gravy train second only to petroleum and defense contracting. The problem is, when it is you or your loved one facing a grave illness, you really wish the primary purpose of the system was to save lives and make people better. Lee Peter Frederick wrote: All the howling and insurance company advertising aside, my experience with the Ontario single payer plan was quite good -- at least for my friends and colleagues, as I didn't use it in the three years I was there. My taxes were lower in Canda, too. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 3:09 AM, Hendrik Fay wrote: Interesting read but more left wing loony stuff no doubt http://allcountries.org/health/usa_health_care_2008_nyt.html Hendrik Fay wrote: Moore used Canada, Great Britain, France and Cuba's health systems as examples of ones where the collective pays for the individual to get treated for medical problems. According to him all those countries peoples have a longer life expectancy than those in the US and lower infant mortality (although according to the WHO statistics Cuba is lower than the US). Of course you can't entirely blame the health system on this but it makes you wonder if a profit driven system is a good idea. From memory the US is ranked 37 on the list of good health care systems, whilst expenditure per capita is number 1. http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Also spends the second most as a % of GDP http://www.photius.com/rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html So this leads me to think that money is not the problem but how and on what it is spend in the system. Whilst Australia is ranked 29 in the % of GDP and 17 in per capita and the overall rank in 2000 was 32 but number 2 in life expectancy. I can understand Japan being number one in the life expectancy rank, probably due to diet and genetics but Australia is a mixed bag (as the US is) and our indigenous population has a shocking life expectancy rate. Hendrik who is not a statistician ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Michael Moore's claim, and the mother's, was legit. The mother was turned away with her dying child because she was Kaiser HMO and the nearest hospital was out of network. She begged for them to take care of her baby and they called the cops. By the time the child was transported to an in network hospital further away, it was too late. It was not that the family was indigent, or uninsured. The family was insured through Kaiser Permanente, an HMO. The HMO refused to allow the child to be treated at an out of network hospital, and thus caused her death. It's called death by denial, and its not at all uncommon in the U.S. We're not talking about the uninsured in this case, but people who have insurance and who get the carpet yanked from under them when they actually seek medical treatment. Lee Allan Streib wrote: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: Well that's what I thought but Moore claims that is what happened to one little kid, who was refused and the mother had to drive the kid to the another hospital. Does Moore have this incident on film, or just the mother's claim that she was turned away at hospital #1? Most cities, certainly ALL the large urban areas have county or public hospitals where people are treated regardless of their ability to pay. My brother works in such a hospital, most of the people that come throuh the ER there are treated with full knowledge that they will not pay a dime. Many of these people are also clearly making no effort to take care of themselves -- diabetics or people with hypertension who are 200lbs overweight, etc. There may be private or specialty hospitals where they limit the pro bono care to true emergencies. A kid with a fever would probably not be considered such, again you have to understand that Moore has an agenda with his film and he's definitely picking and choosing stories and presenting only one side in most cases. Allan -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Cyanoacrylate glue was originally developed for wound closure, and only later became a household fixit material. Lee E M wrote: I've heard, not sure if true, Superglue is used during some surgeries. A good doc friend of mine tells me, the knack to a good stitch is not to get the two cut bits butted up together, but to get the two edges kinda upright, and pulled together. I'm told, if they are butted up and stitched, there is often more scar tissue created. Funny the things that come up in conversation after a couple of drinks, eh? lol None of it makes any sense to me, but I did do an ok job once replacing some stitching on a leather steering wheel. hee hee. Oh, and the Christmas Turkey always comes out looking pretty good. ;-) Ed 300E, not a doctor, for which you should all be very grateful. 2008/12/13 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Superglue works great, leaves very little scarring it you get the sides all lined up properly. Not a good idea on very deep cuts though, as you may need more than just sticking the skin back together. Often works better if someone else does the gluing though. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: OK Don wrote: Yes - if he couldn't pay, they are required to provide care. The guy I knew who stitched up his own cuts did it because he didn't want to waste time going to the doctor or hospital I can do it as well as they can. That's why I cleaned and butterflied my own hand this summer. I pulled it shut without stitches and I thought I could fix it myself without scarring. (wrong, it's a scar, but not as ugly as the last one I had professionally stitched) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blame
My employer seems to be playing the downsize game also. Its a daily (five days per week) local paper and the scuttlebutt is they are knocking it down to 3 or even 2 days per week. And yes, it's likely going to be the ones at the bottom of the food chain that get the axe. It all boils down to the same core concept, and it must be the ONLY thing they teach in the MBA program - If you can make the product skimpier, crappier, cheaper and charge the same for it you make more money. Of course, after a few years of making the product skimpier, crappier, cheaper, the business' reputation is in the toilet, but by that time the corporate CEO has typically gotten his bonuses and stock options and he's out of there, anyway. Lee Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The funny thing is, do those people want to do the work of the people they got rid of, no. You would think they would be smarter than that. LarryT wrote: You're right about who is to blame but invariably when layoff's occur they'll hit the secretary's and clerical staff 1st - people making $10-$20 /hr while leaving a bloated number of VP's making $200K + bonus' in place. Seen it happen numerous times - far too numerous - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blame ..You know they're serious when they start on upper management... Who the hell do you think got the company in trouble in the first place? Not the Indians, that's for certain. RLE ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1755 - Release Date: 10/29/2008 5:27 PM -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blame
Landmark communications. They own about 50 papers, most of them in small towns. Lee Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: You are in the newspaper business? I used to be. What company do you work for? Lee Einer wrote: My employer seems to be playing the downsize game also. Its a daily (five days per week) local paper and the scuttlebutt is they are knocking it down to 3 or even 2 days per week. And yes, it's likely going to be the ones at the bottom of the food chain that get the axe. It all boils down to the same core concept, and it must be the ONLY thing they teach in the MBA program - If you can make the product skimpier, crappier, cheaper and charge the same for it you make more money. Of course, after a few years of making the product skimpier, crappier, cheaper, the business' reputation is in the toilet, but by that time the corporate CEO has typically gotten his bonuses and stock options and he's out of there, anyway. Lee Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The funny thing is, do those people want to do the work of the people they got rid of, no. You would think they would be smarter than that. LarryT wrote: You're right about who is to blame but invariably when layoff's occur they'll hit the secretary's and clerical staff 1st - people making $10-$20 /hr while leaving a bloated number of VP's making $200K + bonus' in place. Seen it happen numerous times - far too numerous - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blame ..You know they're serious when they start on upper management... Who the hell do you think got the company in trouble in the first place? Not the Indians, that's for certain. RLE ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1755 - Release Date: 10/29/2008 5:27 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1755 - Release Date: 10/29/2008 5:27 PM -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - trouble in Iraq - what is war
Well said, Bill. To that I would add, when natural resources are stolen out from under the feet of those third worlders, it is generally done legally. But those who are doing the stealing are also making the laws. It has been ever thus. Lee Bill R wrote: OK, I ignored the stuff about Bush and some other silly comments about the elections and FL [I was there and talked to some of the people involved, and will never quite trust our election process again.] I mentioned before that I was in Peshawar, Pakistan during those elections and was very surprised how easy it was to follow developments on our elections from a few miles away from a Taliban terrorist training center, and later from even remote desert areas in Pakistan and later in Bangladesh, but I digress down memory lane. I do draw the line at calling the brutalization of people by neglect and harsh rule 'peace.' It is not 'peace' when a high number of children die from malnutrition and easily cure maladies [in many areas 2 or 3 of every 5 children] so resources can be sucked out of a country for the benefit of either it's ruling class or some foreign country or business; it does not become 'war' only when the people so affected start to fight back. I am a pretty peaceful person, but given many of the situations I see around the world I easily understand why folks begin to fight back. Personally, if given a choice of watching my children and grandchildren die of starvation and be allowed to die of disease I would rather see them killed fighting back. We need to get way beyond our consumer nation view of which nations have 'peace' and what situations constitute 'war.' One situation that is pretty easy to see: If a fishing community, whose only source of food and income is derived from fishing watches a foreign trawler clean out it's fishing grounds [did you think our cheap cans of cat food appeared by magic?] and decides to attack that ship it is naive to talk about 'those pirates' who attacked a peaceful trawler, and lump them in with the real pirates who do a lot of damage. For the fishing concern and the consumer no difference is seen. For a remote island the only difference between shooting everyone and taking away their food is how rapidly they die and with how much misery and pain, and whether someone else benefits from it. A 'Calvin and Hobbes' cartoon from several years ago did a fairly good job with this: It showed an alien spacecraft arriving and sucking the water out of our oceans to transport it to another planet that needed it. As they left they apologized that their action was going to kill earth, but they preferred that to losing their jobs. Funny if it were not true so many times around our world. Yes, it is more complicated that that with international relations and self-rule and all kinds of other issues, but the bottom line is that a lot of people die and live in poverty so a relatively few others can get rich, and to much of the rest of the world we are a greedy billionaire mortgage lender. Off the soapbox. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:56 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - trouble in Iraq If you liberate people who have only known war, cruelty oppression and you give them the freedom associated with a democratic system, they will react the only way they know how - through war, cruelty oppression. England found this out when they tried to bring Democracy into Iraq in the early 20th century and I guess we need to learn the same lesson all over again. The middle ease was peaceful the longest when it was the Ottoman Empire. Problem was, it was a very oppressive empire. Saudi works because it's a kingdom not a democracy. Put the same system in Iraq and our problems will start to go away. But we won't because we Americans have this misguided belief that our system is good for everyone in the world.. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - trouble in Iraq i believe that when you are actually liberating people, they are happy to see you and don't try to kill you. i believe that if you can fight the civil war and two world wars in 4 years, it shouldn't take you any longer to liberate iraq. i believe that we are the real terrorists in this world and have proven to all the peoples of the earth that we are crazy and capable of absolutely anything. i believe that this was the same scam as vietnam and any people who allow themselves to have this happen again don't deserve respect or sympathy i believe this war is largely about more money
Re: [MBZ] sheriff who violated the Hatch Act
Allan Streib wrote: In fact the conspiracy theorist could easily imagine that the current crisis was engineered by the left to better the chances of regaining the white house. I don't give them that much credit, but this whole election is shaping up with eerie similarities to the Ford/Carter contest in '76. That would mean that the left conspired to inherit a total crap sandwich - problematic military occupations on two fronts in conjunction with a collapsing economy. If I were a conspiratorial Dem and were acting out of Machiavellian self-interest, I would be looking for a way to get McCain-Palin in so the Republicans could be stuck with the next four years of bad times and turmoil. Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT correction Now we're bailing out commercial paper too but it is not the fault of capitalism?
1). Government is the bitch of big business. 2). Big business operates by crisis capitalism, create a clusterfsck and then capitalize on the desperation and panic. -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The Vista disaster continues for Microsoft
Count me among them. Unless you count that whole spontaneous crash thing, there is not much you can do on Micro$oft that you can't do on Linux. I haven't used Microsoft at home for at least a decade. Lee On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder how many see the light and give up on Microsoft altogether and use a real OS like GNU/Linux or BSD? -- Philip -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The Vista disaster continues for Microsoft
Googling P2P television linux returns 1.7 million hits. I have no interest myself, but I am pretty sure if you want p2p television on linux you can have it. Lee Gary Hurst wrote: i have connections to vendors that only seem to work on windoze. i also run my P2P television stuff on windoze. im' sure there are a few other things as well. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Count me among them. Unless you count that whole spontaneous crash thing, there is not much you can do on Micro$oft that you can't do on Linux. I haven't used Microsoft at home for at least a decade. Lee On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder how many see the light and give up on Microsoft altogether and use a real OS like GNU/Linux or BSD? -- Philip -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Red Anaheim Chilis
Normally you would harvest peel anaheims when they are green. Oh, well, have a taste and use your mouth-imagination to figure what they would go well with when red. Roasted green chiles, in the proud New Mexico tradition, go well with anything except perhaps pancakes or ice cream. Scramble 'em in your eggs. Throw 'em in your hash browns. Put them in your beef stew. Top your chicos beans with them. Stuff them with cheese, dip them in batter and fry them. Put them in your corn chowder. use them as a hamburger topping. Wizz them up in a blender with milk and sour cream and use them as an enchilada sauce. The list is endless. Lee OK Don wrote: I remember someone writing about purchasing a bunch of chilis and processing them a while back (Craig?). We planted some this year, and are just harvesting some pretty chilis - now, what do I do with them? I konw about roasting, placing in paper bags, and removing the skin. Then what do you do with them? How do you cook with them? -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Red Anaheim Chilis
The dried red ones on strings? They're called ristras. You dangles 'em in front of your door to be picturesque - if yer like most folk. If you want to use them like in olden days, first make sure they are not treated with preservatives (many of the ristras are,) rehydrate them with a soak in boiling water, scrape the meat off the skins and make enchilada sauce with it. They are essentially the same as what you buy in powdered form as New Mexico red chile powder. Me, I'm a lazy guy, I cook with the red chile powder. Lee OK Don wrote: OK - sounds good -- what do you do with the long strings of dried red chilies? Are they Anaheims? On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally you would harvest peel anaheims when they are green. Oh, well, have a taste and use your mouth-imagination to figure what they would go well with when red. Roasted green chiles, in the proud New Mexico tradition, go well with anything except perhaps pancakes or ice cream. Scramble 'em in your eggs. Throw 'em in your hash browns. Put them in your beef stew. Top your chicos beans with them. Stuff them with cheese, dip them in batter and fry them. Put them in your corn chowder. use them as a hamburger topping. Wizz them up in a blender with milk and sour cream and use them as an enchilada sauce. The list is endless. Lee OK Don wrote: I remember someone writing about purchasing a bunch of chilis and processing them a while back (Craig?). We planted some this year, and are just harvesting some pretty chilis - now, what do I do with them? I konw about roasting, placing in paper bags, and removing the skin. Then what do you do with them? How do you cook with them? -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Red Anaheim Chilis
It's ristras, bro. Like Re-straws. Sounds like you've got some picoso sabroso going on in yer pad. Good on ya. Lee OK Don wrote: I never can remember that word - ristas. Maybe it'll sink in this time. We've been growing our own cayenne peppers - stringing them up to dry for keeping till next season, so thought we'd try the anaheims in addition this year. The chilies and okra are about all that last through the 100+ heat here - so the more the merrier! We had three of the fresh red anaheims tongiht in a curried orka dish that was yummy. - On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The dried red ones on strings? They're called ristras. You dangles 'em in front of your door to be picturesque - if yer like most folk. If you want to use them like in olden days, first make sure they are not treated with preservatives (many of the ristras are,) rehydrate them with a soak in boiling water, scrape the meat off the skins and make enchilada sauce with it. They are essentially the same as what you buy in powdered form as New Mexico red chile powder. Me, I'm a lazy guy, I cook with the red chile powder. Lee -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Military Service - Was: America's Climate Security Act
Zits break out. Wars are volitional. Wars can break out at any time. The franchise came from being _willing_ to be part of the spear, if required. Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power?
A local mechanic here is selling a snake-oil contraption which makes browns gas as well as tinkering with the ignition timing and he claims it gets mileage improvements of over 100%. It is Dennis Lee's device, and it is BS. A good place to start the inquiry is by asking how much of the gasoline which goes into the cylinders in your car exits unburnt. This arguably represents the maximum gain you can make by simply improving combustion. It is a very small number in modern, fuel injected cars. Are internal combustion engines energy efficient? Not really. A lot of energy is released not in the form of kinetic energy but of heat which must be dissipated by the cooling system. But the 'browns gas devices do nothing to change that. Lee Tom Hargrave wrote: A small amount of hydrogen oxygen (brown's gas) will improve the combustion process and will provide more power. Then you'll use that additional power plus extra to make more Brown's gas. Propane injection also works but its false economics. You burn less gas more propane. All of these solutions were tried in the 70's they finally disappeared when the public figured out that they were BS. The real issue is that whenever there is money to be made, there are more than just a few crooks out there waiting to take your hard earned dollars. That said, there is a way to use water to improve mileage, but not by much. We experimented with water injection in the late 70s. The idea was to spray a small stream of water through the carb when it was running. The water would mix with the air would convert to steam in the engine, providing a little extra push. The idea worked - I documented a 1 MPG improvement in my 1974 Olds Cutlass Supreme. Problem was, 1 MPG was not worth the trouble of maintaining the system. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MG Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 8:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power? I've been looking at that and thinking about it for a while. I can't see it either. On the other hand I can see that it might be possible that a small amount of Brown's gas (hydrogen and the oxygen that it was split from) burned in conjunction with gasoline or diesel may possibly improve the combustion process enough to actually give more power and thus more mileage from each gallon of fuel. I have seen the power increase from propane injection on a diesel truck so I can't say that this won't work. Probably will try it sometime once I get some time to play just to see. After all I have a good test bed. Manfred Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 15:55:02 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are burning hydrogen in the engine. They are using power from the battery to split water into hydrogen oxygen. But where does the power come from that's stored in the battery? From the alternator, right? And the alternator is powered by (drum roll please), the engine? So, it goes like this.. They are using power from the engine to generate electricity, which is used to generate hydrogen, which is then fed back into the engine to generate more power. The issue with this system is that in an absolute perfect, no loss system, the results would be a net zero! In other words, no gain! In the real world, you loose energy with every step in the process Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.20/1452 - Release Date: 5/17/2008 6:26 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.20/1452 - Release Date: 5/17/2008 6:26 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
Another observation on the genesis of marijuana prohibition - The prohibition against alcohol resulted in an enormous build-up of the police force, FBI, prisons, etc, a whole burgeoning bureaucracy. Then prohibition was nixed - and we had a powerful bureaucracy with no justification for its existence. What to do? A massive propaganda campaign was launched, linking the weed to black/brown men violating white women, to incurable insanity, to a bunch of repugnant, ridiculous, made-up crap. The term marijuana was not widely in vogue, but the term was popularized during this blitz to underscore that it was the recreational substance of Mexicans. The propaganda blitz with its shameless appeal to racism was effective, and the marijuana tax act was passed only a few short years after prohibition (of ETOH) ended, with outright criminalization following closely on its heels. Mission accomplished! The police state was preserved, and has now grown to the point where the incarceration of our citizens is a top industry and we keep a greater percentage of our citizens behind bars than the Soviet Union ever did. Lee Peter Frederick wrote: Criminalization of possession of narcotics is probably unconstitutional and certainly does nothing but criminalize a huge portion of the population. It does not deter use, it just makes felons of a huge number of people. I don't know what the percentage of people in prison who have only non-violent drug possession convictions is, but it's something like half -- to the tune of $100,000 per year in cost! No other nation in the Western world did Prohibition, for just this reason. Drug abuse is a social problem, not a criminal one (except for manufacture and distribution), and there is no penalty in Europe for possession for personal use. Therefore most of the using population isn't criminal, the prisons aren't full of non-violent criminals, and the police have time to work on real crime. The hysteria about pot started in the teens when nice white urban girls started getting turned on to it by, ahem, persons of color attached to the Jazz movement. It was mostly an African/Latino thing before that, but proper white society went into a major speed wobble when the races started mixing. The properties of the substance weren't really the issue. The insanity in the 60's started with a whack case in Texas who found roaches in the back yard after coming home from an extended vacation without the kids -- seems the underage kids had been having a non- stop party for the month the parents were gone and Mommy blew a gasket about the road to heroin. Texas passed a law against possession that called for the death penalty (no lesser sentence available) for detectable amounts of pot. Sheer lunacy, if one can be that kind, and the Texas Supreme Court actually upheld it if I remember correctly. I can understand Carrie Nation's objection to excessive drinking, although she was another nut case bound and determined to force everyone to do what SHE wanted. Public drunkenness was a huge problem around the turn of the century in America, to the point that many industries really only ran Tuesday to Thursday -- by Friday afternoon the work force was usually comatose and weren't able to work until Tuesday morning. This is not an exaggeration, it was REALLY bad, as many European visitors commented. Of course working people to death for less than it cost to live was also rampant. Outlawing alcohol isn't the answer, of course, that just leads to people being poisoned by improperly distilled spirits, economic ruin for a perfectly normal and safe industry (beer, wine, and spirits manufacture), and social chaos when half the population is actively engaged in criminal activity. I think the proper term is contempt for the Law -- we end up with a class of people who commit felonies several times a day, so they end up feeling that ALL laws are just as ridiculous and quickly graduate to things like armed robbery, theft, assault, embezelment, and so forth. I think we will eventually come to our collective senses and de- criminalize drug possession, while simultaneously clamping down on pharmaceutical companies making precursors freely available (the meth problem is easily preventable -- all you have to do is remove the easy access to synthetic pseudo-ephidrine). It worked to stop the Qualude epidemic in the 70's. Can't make psuedoephidrine in the basement, it takes a decent sized chemical synthesis setup and considerable skill, knowledge, and quality control. You can, however, buy the stuff by the ton on the open market, no questions asked, if you have the cash. The major guys have been screaming for years it's too profitable to even verify that the purchaser is actually a bona fide drug manufacturer. Ain't profit great? The main
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
I use a Texas smoker, no propane or rotisseries here. Brine 'em first, helps keep moist. Lower is better, temp-wise. When I do up a brisket, I typically get up to build the fire around 2:30 - 3 a.m. and let her smoke slow and easy on an oak fire, for 10 hours or so. Keep the temp low, and it will be smoky/juicy/good. ETOH is also essential, but not as a marinade or baste. It optimizes the attitude of the grillmaster. Bill R wrote: It was always amusing to read letters from my hippie big sis when she talked about her large garden: beans, squash, pot, corn ... er, I wouldn't send that on a postcard... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:58 PM To: Banned List Cc: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question speaking of cooking and such, since the price of groceries has gone up so much, Im really thinking about having a garden next year. Bill R wrote: Tried out my new [to me] grill tonight, and tried the rotisserie for the first time in my life. Pretty basic stuff, I stuck two chickens on the spit, put some BBQ rub on them and cranked it up. I was also dealing with some grandkids at the time, and when I thought it was stable at 450 degrees I wandered off for a time. When I got back a few minutes later it as at 550 and the chicken skin was black. Tasted good [burn was only of the skin], but not visually appealing, to say the least. It's a 4 burner Jenn-Air, 64,000 BTU. Anyone have a good method for using a rotisserie? It did not come with a manual. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] computer OS other than MS
Try ActiveClient for Linux - http://www.actividentity.com/products/activclient_linux__home.php Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN Charleston SC J63 wrote: Linux gurus and others, Here is the show-stopper that I see for MY situation. Review: plan is to purchase cheap laptop for use while I travel. Mostly personal stuff (set up Skype or some other webcam/audio method of communicating with home front while I'm gone, peruse MB stuff, read up on survival skills, etc.) but, and here's the big but, I'd also like to be able to access some military sites so that I can do official work if needed. So, we are now delving into the security realm. Worse yet, DOD security realm. I am just savy enough to know where the boundaries are that when crossed, the Internet Police come to my cube and ask what I'm doing and who am I and please show some ID and follow us (that has only happened once so far. Embarrasing!). So, can I make Linux work with Active Card Gold or Active Client? Please contact me offline if anyone has been down this path. Secure communication paths are available to me. I've tried to make Mozilla Firefox work for these military sites on my XP machine, can't do it and haven't found anyone that knows (but I haven't really tried very hard). OK, maybe this isn't a show-stopper, but would be nice to figure it out and be able to do more things with future laptop... Thanks, Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer
Curt Raymond wrote: There are also STACKs of stripped down Linux distros catering to the older hardware crowd... It truely is a great time to have an old computer. True! Antix Linux may have a few warts, but I can get it to run on damn near anything. Antix 6.5 even runs on old AMD K6s. I have a project that I have (with friends) been doing for about a year now, where we accept donations of old computers from schools and businesses, wipe the hard drives, swap parts as needed, load Linux and give them out to the community free of charge. Antix and Mepis are my distros of choice for this. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] computer OS other than MS
You can run IE in Wine, if you feel you must. Lee John Robbins wrote: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN Charleston SC J63 wrote: So, can I make Linux work with Active Card Gold or Active Client? Please contact me offline if anyone has been down this path. Secure communication paths are available to me. I've tried to make Mozilla Firefox work for these military sites on my XP machine, can't do it and haven't found anyone that knows (but I haven't really tried very hard). If you can't get it to work with Firefox... odds are you won't in Linux seeing as there is no IE... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Linux Query
I've been using Linux for roughly a decade Bill R wrote: I could well be a Linuxian by next week. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Zedic Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:56 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Linux Query Since we're all talking computers, I was curious to find out how many of us are actually using Linux? I know there's me, Hursty and Lt. Don..who else? It seems like Linux has a much higher penetration rate here than in the general domain. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green
Mitch Haley wrote: When was the last time you heard of somebody clear-cutting land so they could grow soybeans and corn? Do these people have any idea how much cropland the government is currently paying farmers to not grow crops on? Or is that what they mean by grasslands? Grasslands? I got yer grasslands, right here! There are few things more foolish or wasteful than the grass lawn. Because a grass lawn is a monoculture with the majority of ecological niches vacant, it requires a great deal of human effort (and petrochemicals) to maintain. And for what? Every week, the suburbanoids come forth with their riding mowers to harvest their grass lawn crop, mowing it down. But they have no use for what they harvest, it goes into (petrochemical based) garbage bags and is sent off to the landfill. An outside observer would have to conclude that we are all daft. If a whole suburban neighborhood rose up against the tyranny of the lawn, and planted their yards and medians with a diverse and full ecosystem with fruit trees and bushes, perennial veggies, grapevines, and edible groundcovers, how much of their food needs would they meet? They would probably be only a few chickens and goats away from complete food security. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 100 MPG is it really possible
Blow off the assumption of 3,000 lbs vehicle weight. My wife's four-door Jetta weighed about half that. And carbon fiber technology can build sturdy vehicles that are MUCH lighter. There are cars on the road now that get 80 - 90 MPG. Not here, our gummint tends to keep them out, but in Europe, Asia and elsewhere, you bet! VW built a prototype two-seater back in 2003 that was roadworthy, traveled at freeway speeds and got well over 200 mpg. They scrapped it, citing limited consumer interest. Lee Fmiser wrote: It seems than at Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:13:19 -0500, Allan wrote: OK, there's a finite amount of energy in a gallon of fuel. Assuming perfect extraction of that energy (which is impossible), and a typical 3000 lb vehicle at 70 MPH on flat ground what is the theoretical maximum MPG you could get? On a flat road, not accelerating, the weight does not matter at all - except that it can have an impact on rolling resistance. The things that require energy are air resistance and rolling resistance. Put steel wheels on a steel rail to make the rolling resistance as small as possible. Air resistance is Cd (coefficient of drag) times the frontal area (silhouette profile as viewed from the front) times the cube of the air speed. Wikipedia has a list of CdA for various cars. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficients Cd but not frontal area listed for any MB cars. This site http://www.mayfco.com/mercedes.htm has data on a '77 280E. That's a W123, isn't it? It list the Cd as 0.380 and the frontal area as 23.03 sq-ft (or 2.14 m^2) This site has a formula for calculating the power needed. http://www.bobnorwood.com/300%20mph%C2%A0%20The%20Aerodynamics%20of%20Drag%20and%20Power.htm This site has a couple formula http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar/bville%20-%20LSR%20Thoughts-1.html To move the '77 280E at 70 mph (112 km/h) requires aprox 25 hp Just for comparison, one of the best production cars for total air drag is the GM EVI. It requires only 10 hp to travel at 70 mph. (CdA of 3.95 ft^2) Meanwhile, the Hummer H2 (CdA of 26.5 ft^2) needs 65 hp. Okay, on to the fuel. One horsepower equals 2545 Btu per hour Our car needs 25 hp, so 63,625 Btu/hr At 70 mi/hr that becomes 909 Btu/mi Diesel fuel contains 130,500 Btu/gallon So if all of the energy in one gallon of diesel fuel went to moving the car forward at 70 miles per hour, no wind, flat road, constant speed - the 1977 280E would get aprox 145 miles/gallon. Oops. I just put diesel fuel in a gasoline car!! Re-figured with 115,000 Btu/gallon for gasoline its only 127 miles/gallon. I think these claims of hundreds of MPG are either using cars made of balsa wood or moving at 5 MPH, neither of which is reasonable for real-world transportation. I doubt that more than 70 - 80 MPG will ever be achieved in a real-world family car that is crash-safe and moves at normal speeds. But, I've not worked out the physics -- I'm sure someone has, anyone know of a web site that discusses this? I have attached a spreadsheet I just built to play with it. *grin* (I'm trying to avoid doing things I must do) --Philip -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: aerodynamics+fuel.ods Type: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet Size: 17171 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080227/f8abc169/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens
Chickens have multiple benefits, and there is a veritable explosion in home urban chicken raising for this reason. There is a reason why chicken feed is a slang expression for cheap. And chicken feed may not be needed for much of the year. Here in New Mexico, we get hordes of grasshoppers that can decimate a garden - they even denuded my saplings last year - but chickens are little miracle machines that rapidly transform grasshoppers into eggs, fertilizer and free-range poultry. I am still sorting through the various city ordinances to see if I can do it, but I would like a backyard chicken coop myself. Lee Jim Cathey wrote: It'll be cheaper to buy eggs than to buy commercial chicken feed, which is nutritionally balanced for layers. There was an article in Mother Earth News recently which found that free range or pastured hens (lots of protein in those bugs, and chickens provide free bug and grub control) produced significantly more nutritious eggs than commercial eggs. I was referring to raising chickens on a city lot. I doubt there's enough range to feed them entirely that way. So you'll be buying something to feed them. If they're not sufficiently fed, including all necessary proteins and vitamins, they won't lay. I don't get it. How is $.19/dozen more expensive than buying eggs from the store? Local egg prices generally start at $2.00/dozen and head on up They're not. It was an unrelated factoid, I was trying to point out that a large-scale chicken factory is obviously cost-effective, whereas small-scale is not, really. Give it a whirl, sure. But don't be surprised if it's not as easy or economical as it sounds. It's also a PITA, and any livestock owner is tied to their property. Hard to take a vacation, etc. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again
Do some browsing on Tigerdirect.com. They should have some barebones systems with good prices and no OS. Its a personal bugaboo for me. Last time I went shopping for a computer (5 years ago or so) I walked into Best Buy, saw what I wanted and asked how much it would cost without the Micro$oft crap on it. They said they couldn't sell it without the software and couldn't give me a discount. So I just bought the parts I wanted and built my first computer. Saved lots of money, too. Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Been looking into the computer upgrade thing. As I posted before, I always custom ordered what I wanted as far as processor, memory etc then just transfer my other hardware over. Im getting a big headache trying to figure out what processor is what, what memory is what etc. Ran thru a few options and it seems its as expensive if not more than what is on sale at best buy or whatever. So would it seem I am better off just buying whatever is on sale that fits my needs? Any certain brands to look for? Do they sell them at the store that do not have a bunch of crap preloaded on there? I hate buying those computers that already have half their space used up by preloaded crap I will never use. Another aspect I like of not buying the store computers is the fact that the cases etc are not always standard. With the custom ordered barebones deals, you can swap whatever you want at any point. Power supplies are standard, drive bays, etc. Stuff like that. Anyway, enough rambling, thoughts? Most of these store bought systems come with Vista now. Is that a good thing or should I just look on ebay and buy something there that may or may not have an OS installed? -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 300cd no-start hell
Well, I went out to replace the glow plugs on my wife's benz, in front of our home where it has sat for two weeks because it would not start. Special-ordered glow plugs from auto-zone x2 because they got me the wrong plugs the first time out. Discovered to my dismay that some asshole hit the car last night and took off. Anyway, reamed all the glow plug ports, replaced the glow plugs, and reconnected the injector lines. Cranked three times, no start due to air in the lines, fourth time, a click and nothing else. Brand new battery. Tests as having a full charge. Jumpering the battery cable to the solenoid also produced nothing but a click. WTF? What is the next step? and howinthehell do you get at the starter on a 300CD? Looks fairly inaccessible from both top and bottom of the engine compartment. -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
prices float to the level the public is willing to pay. People are willing to pay whatever they have to so they don't get sick and die. That's why capitalism sucks when applied to health care. Nobody is going to say fifty thousand dollars to remove that cancerous tumor? Highway robbery! I'll die slow and painful instead. Lee LarryT wrote: You must be joking! capitalism works when free to operate properly. supply demand always works - prices float to the level the public is willing to pay. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot Sort of like the private sector? On Jan 9, 2008 6:16 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything the government decides to Do it screws up and it ends up being filled with corruption and fraud. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: WALTER WARREN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot I have a friend who has many years in the insurance business. His opinion is valued by me and it is this :Keep the politicians out of the ins. coverage business. We just had a major cost increase because the WA State lawmakers deemed it necessary that mental health should be covered. URGH!!! On Jan 4, 2008 7:34 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] archer wrote: In your opinion, perhaps. In my opinion it's never too late to discuss and offer solutions for major problems that face America. Its also a very political topic... something best reserved for banned. Join up and I'm sure everyone will start talking about it again. :) John .. Just joined. Thanks, John. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Allan Streib wrote: I was responding to the earlier point about private insurers deny claims for necessary treatment, with my personal experience that the only denials my family and I ever encountered being from the government plan (Medicare). Allan I have worked for health insurers and health providers. Did it for roughly twenty years. I have seen bad-faith denials of medically necessary care, galore. I have been told as an insurance company employee to find a reason to deny it. Be thankful that you have not gotten denials from private insurers for needed care. You dodged a bullet. People die every day because they cannot afford life-saving medical care and their insurers refuse to fund it. -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Best battery for 300D
Hi, all - It is another cold winter here in northeastern New Mexico, and the battery on the wife's 300CD has again taken a crap. It shows as fully charged when I hook up the charger, but there are no cold cranking amps and it won't turn the engine over fast enough to get it going. So now I must ask - last year, the same thing happened and I went to Auto Zone and bought what I was told was their best for cold cranking amps. Their best turned out to be garbage. What do you all recommend for the best, no holds barred get it started in the winter battery? -- Lee Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Combustion improving inventions
There's one being pimped by a guy named Dennis Lee for gasoline engines - he claims fuel economy improvements of 50% to 200%. Purely voodoo. The guy also claims to have a pre-ignition catalytic converter that reduces fuel to plasma and will enable your engine to run on any liquid including steak sauce or pickle juice (but have you priced pickle juice at the pump lately?,) a free electricity device (perpetual motion plus) and a noiseless jackhammer. There is a guy locally selling the gas-saver for $1,500 installed. Lee Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: Check this one out, about halfway down the page --R http://www.ideatango.com/component/option,com_sobi2/catid,15/Itemid,/limit,5/limitstart,5/ This guy? This system provides a 15% increase in horsepower, 100% increase in fuel economy, and drastic reduction in emissions. We currently have nearly 100% combustion efficiency, with 1/3 going out the crankshaft, 1/3 out the exhaust, and 1/3 cooling the engine. Somebody seems to be proposing the total conversion of exhaust heat into crankshaft energy. Smokey Yunick was never so bold with his adiabatic engine claims. BTW, what happened with that? Did Smokey die without telling anybody the secret, or was it too expensive to make, or was there some scam involved? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: For MI-ers: THE MIGHTY MAC -- Our bridge at 50
Maybe in the '70s. I lived in Detroit from 1981 to 1994 and didn't hear about it. The thing is, if they wanted to vandalize cars that were not US made, there were hundreds of Fords and GM vehicles that were built in Canada and rolled right over the Ambassador Bridge into Detroit on a daily basis. The question is, if you wanted to trash vehicles that were not built in the good old USA, which cars WOULDN'T you target? Lee Craig McCluskey wrote: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070708/NEWS06/707080576 Benz content: I've heard of non-Detroit cars being vandalized in Michigan just because they aren't from Detriot. Is this true? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Vehicle Shipping
Yeah, I cannot reccommend Allen Auto Transport! They were supposed to pick up my SL on Thurs. (06/28/07) for transport from Rochester, NY to Brevard, NC and here it is Tues. (07/03/07) and no word yet that they've picked it up yet. So, if you're planning on shipping a vehicle anywhere, try to schedule it way ahead of time to avoid Murphy's Law. G. M. Brown In transit . . . Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation
1. http://www.openoffice.org/ 2). The best things in life are free. Lee andrew strasfogel wrote: Where/How do I get OpenOffice and why is it free? On 7/1/07, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems than at Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:45:45 -0400, andrew wrote: One compelling reason is that I don't even have a full, legitimate version of Word or Excel at present. Also, it was a free upgrade from Best Buy when I purchased the machine last fall. Give OpenOffice a try. It's nearly 100% compatible with MS Office file, it's open-source, and it's free. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Router and Firewall
OK, first of all viruses vs hacker exploits are apples and oranges. Any system can be hacked, but a Linux system is typically secure against damage from viruses. In fact, of the few viruses which have been written for Linux, most have relied on social engineering to trick the user into doing something dumb while signed on as root. Lee Tom Hargrave wrote: Viruses attack Windows only because Windows is 80% of the installed base. It's not worth the effort to write viruses for the rest (Linux Apple) because the installed base is too small to spread effectively. If Linux Windows were to swap places, or if Linux grows to more than 30% of the installed base, then Linux will have a very serious virus issue. Major organizations like UAB who are running Linux are experiencing serious issues now. Their Novel server farm is under constant attack they have hade to resort to double firewalls, IP filtering and very expensive software to keep the bad guys out. Clients running Windows Server 2003 just need a firewall and good anti-virus software. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Levi Smith Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 8:30 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Router and Firewall Not with Linux... On 3/18/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've got to have anti-virus! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: LarryT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 6:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: Router and Firewall Thanks Tom!! I'll drop my Firewall - what about AV? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to MS Office/Outlook replacement
BillR wrote: Luther, and other computer savvy folks, I have a 2 - 3 year old Compaq Presario, which I am reasonably happy with [still miss my company owned laptop, though], running Windows XP. I would be happy to find a good replacement for MS Office Professional 2003 - especially Outlook. From a quick look it does not seem that OpenOffice deals with schedules and email, though I am sure contacts are included.. Am For e-mail, contacts and scheduling, take a look at Kontact, should be installed by default on KDE-based distros like Mepis and Kubuntu. Lee Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents
Peter Frederick wrote: External media communication with the Mac is only a problem because the vendors refuse to write the correct drivers, not because there is anything inferior about the Mac. And yet, the disc which the G4s could not detect works flawlessly on my linux box at home. Curious. Lee Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents
Peter Frederick wrote: External media communication with the Mac is only a problem because the vendors refuse to write the correct drivers, not because there is anything inferior about the Mac. It's a pain, but then so is the fact that PC manufacturers ALWAYS decide to use a different spec of anything that Apple used a couple years earlier, making stuff for the Mac hard to get. For example, 64 bit memory in the IIfx -- only used by Apple in that machine and some printers, because IBM deliberately chose a slower, less expandable type in DX-2 line My only real complaint with Apple over the years was refusing to support parallel printers -- this cost them most of the buisiness market and third party support for a long time. Apple needs to step up and take responsibility for some of its problems IMO. I have on a couple of recent occasions had to help Mac laptop users connect to a non-apple wireless port. But it works good with an Airport hub they blubbered. Probably so, but Apple went with their own half-assed encryption method that doesn't jibe with anything the rest of the world does, so these sad sacks find themselves double fckd, can't connect to encrypted wireless out there in the non-Mac world and when they find out, they can't even RTFM since they don't have internet access. Since Apple went with their own protocol, there are three separate rules for encrypted wireless in the Apple world- one if you have a mac and are connecting to an Airport hub, a second if you have a non-apple wireless hub and an apple laptop, and a third if you have a non-Apple laptop and are trying to connect to an Airport hub (good luck on that one, unless you have a buddy with administrative level access to the hub.) Totally pointless, worthless and weak. What you get when you go down the proprietary road. Lee Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents
Ed Booher wrote: On 2/20/07, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Frederick wrote: External media communication with the Mac is only a problem because the vendors refuse to write the correct drivers, not because there is anything inferior about the Mac. And yet, the disc which the G4s could not detect works flawlessly on my linux box at home. Curious. Lee Lee, What format is the disc in? ISO-9660, ISO-9660+Joliet, Rock Ridge, UDF? Which version of Mac OS was the G4 running? Which CD-ROMs were in the G4's? Some of the early ones simply can not focus the laser to read a CD-R/CD-RW format. Ed IIRC the format is UDF. Googling my camera (Sony Mavica CD400) and G4 pulled up posts from Mac users who stated that OSX was simply unable to read the format, although OS 9 is reported to read it without a problem. My employer has a variety of Macs and most of the employees I speak to have problems with the CDROM drives. Lee Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents
Curt Raymond wrote: Uhh, Word sucks, its a Microsoft product, get OpenOffice watch those problems deflate. I use OO at home. I cannot dictate what software applications my employer chooses. And have you had to do the OO install dance on a Mac? A real PITA, compared with installing on a PC. You have to have the Mac OSX installation discs and install optional software before you can even begin to install OO. Mavica cameras REALLY suck, get something good from a camera company. Bzzt. Mavica's ROCK for small object photography, which is what I bought mine for. I have used it for many years without a problem. The macro function is great, the lens is great, second best for what I do- the Best would be a Nikon Coolpix at twice the price. Don't blame the Macs for the shortcomings of other manufacturers. When Macs don't work, it ain't the fault of another manufacturer. Half the people in my office can't get their friggin' drive bays open without problems. Lee -Curt Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:10:25 -0700 From: Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am now working (temporarily) as Features Editor of a local paper. They use mostly Mac G4s. IMO, the G4s suck like a rift in spacetime. I use a Sony Mavica for photography which burns to a mini-cd. Works fantastic whether you use Windoze or Linux. Apparently won't work on a Mac because OSX can't read the CD. Most folks there keep a cd in their drive bay so they have an icon which they can click and (hopefully) eject their CDs, because once the CD is out and the icon leaves the desktop it may or may not open the drive bay and may or may not read the next CD. Word on the Mac has the quaint habit of deleting files on the server rather than saving when you attempt to save changes to an existing document. There is no fix for this shite. I could go on. So, all the time I was using PCs I was hearing about Macs and thinking damn, they must be good if they cost so freakin' much but I bet I could build something as good for less. I was wrong. I could build something a helluva lot better for far less. Lee - Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents
I am now working (temporarily) as Features Editor of a local paper. They use mostly Mac G4s. IMO, the G4s suck like a rift in spacetime. I use a Sony Mavica for photography which burns to a mini-cd. Works fantastic whether you use Windoze or Linux. Apparently won't work on a Mac because OSX can't read the CD. Most folks there keep a cd in their drive bay so they have an icon which they can click and (hopefully) eject their CDs, because once the CD is out and the icon leaves the desktop it may or may not open the drive bay and may or may not read the next CD. Word on the Mac has the quaint habit of deleting files on the server rather than saving when you attempt to save changes to an existing document. There is no fix for this shite. I could go on. So, all the time I was using PCs I was hearing about Macs and thinking damn, they must be good if they cost so freakin' much but I bet I could build something as good for less. I was wrong. I could build something a helluva lot better for far less. Lee John W. Reames III wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Werner Fehlauer wrote: Jim - after more than 30 years of using PCs (starting with an 8080 in kit form), I suppose I'm too old to switch to one of those Apple/Mac/whatever boxes. Even worked up a box with a 6502 processor (as used in the early Apples) but on an S-100 bus, with a 300 baud modem using tape on the Kansas City standard. In those days memory was around $100 a K! Ditched that and went to a Z80 and dual 8 floppy drives. Finally sprung for a complete PC when the company offered them on an employee plan. Have probably gone through almost a dozen bigger and better ones over the years. Always heard that they were the greatest for publication and artwork, but also was turned off by the higher pricing and lack of being able to kloodge up a system using various and sundry after market accessories. Werner You can pick up used ones for cheap. I got a G4/dual 533 with half a gig ram for $100. Got an original Apple studio LCD (17) for $180 (ebay), a dvd-dl burner for $30 (other world computing), a 120GB HDD for $40 (computergeeks.com), and replaced the apple 1 button with my wife's 3 button original MS notebook optical mouse. Its pretty decent speed wise, and just works with everything I throw at it. The BIGGEST PIT(F)A is Quicken-- PC and MAC are different design teams, different savefiles. You have to EXPORT the PC version, and you lose all your reapeat/memorized transactions when you import it. Ditto going from MAC- PC. everything else is fine. iPhoto beats the crap out of other photo organizers (hands down). You can even get a ShutterFly plugin for it! (Export - shutterfly) -j. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal
L. Mark Finch wrote: Rebut this: http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/historical03.jsp http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A3.lrg.gif Those temperatures were all recorded by lefties and environmental wackos. I'm sure of it. Lee
Re: [MBZ] A$$ dragging
Maybe its A$$ itches. That's why my dog does it... Lee
Re: [MBZ] OT- Hursty wants macs
Redghost wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/sys/268219025.html $50 each -- That's $50 more than I will pay, but it's a great deal. I bet they will run Linux just fine. Lee
Re: [MBZ] [OT] Am I the only one that finds this bone chilling?
John W. Reames III wrote: http://baltimorechronicle.com/2007/011907Parry.shtml There is no expressed grant of habeas in the Constitution; there's a prohibition against taking it away, Gonzales said. Don't you LOVE tri-state logic? No. I don't. Habeus Corpus is a right which was established by the Magna Carta, back when the tension was between saxons and normans, and it basically was a protection against being imprisoned, tortured and/or executed for no legal reason. It is the foundation upon which all other rights are based. Without habeus corpus, any one of us can be hauled off in the dead of night and disappeared for nothing more than having pissed off the powers that be. -j. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [OT] Am I the only one that finds this bone chilling?
John W. Reames III wrote: On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Allan Streib wrote: Well -- um. The actual text from Section 9 of the Constitution is: The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it. So, it sounds to me like this interpretation is correct. The authors of the constitution had the view that men are endowed by their Creator with rights (though that exact phrase is from the Declaration of Independence) so the language in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is generally written as *limiting* what the government can do with regard to those rights, not as *granting* the rights themselves, which exist a priori. Yeah. Then theres that pesky 10th amendment... -j. What Alberto Goebbels Gonzales is trying to do is take the Constitution out of historic context. Habeus corpus was conferred by the Magna Carta, and the British people had lived with it since the 13th century. Little wonder, then, that a bunch of British Colonists did not feel the need to spell out the details of habeus Corpus when they drafted the constitution- everyone was familiar with the writ and there was no need to rehash the obvious. Of course, where Alberto is going with this is if the right is not defined in the constitution then he gets to define it any way he wants. Creepy little bastard. Ironically, the Magna Carta was first drafted in order to rein in a despotic and out-of-control monarch. Goes to show that few things really change. Lee
Re: [MBZ] [OT] The Imperial Presidency
Werner Fehlauer wrote: A good example of where our tax dollars are being wasted: This morning, on a drive from NJ to DC, I had occasion to drive by Newcastle County (Wilmington) Airport, and lo and behold, there sat Air Force 1 (747B) in all its glory. Seems the Prez had to make a visit to duPont Labs on the Western side of town, so he flew that big bird from Andrews AFB to Newcastle (about 80 air miles?). That would have been after the limo had somehow gotten up there (perhaps by C-17?), and Maine 1 had flown from the Rose Garden to Andrews. I didn't see the motorcade as it had already transported the entourage up the highway, but I'm sure more than a few 9 mpg black SUVs were there, and of course the obligatory State, County, and City police, ambulances, fire trucks, etc. There still were 5 police cars parked strategically on local roads, and 5 DelDOT highway trucks, ready to block traffic on I-95 and local roads. Of course, the inconvenience and waste of taxpayers time and money while waiting on blocked roads, and loss of work productivity at duPont don't count. When our President needs that much protection from the people he allegedly represents and serves, it speaks volumes. Lee
Re: [MBZ] Shag rugs on dash (was) defrost/heat questions (83 300SD
Werner Fehlauer wrote: Perhaps a gold-plated bulldog to put on the hood in place of the Star? ;-))) Those are only fashionable if the eyes light up. Lee
Re: [MBZ] What does pink tranny fluid mean?
Yikes! Yer supposed to use ATF1, not Pepto-Bismol! Lee John Robbins wrote: What makes tranny fluid turn pink? Air? Water? ???I also found some white stuff on the bottom of the pan as well... I attached some pics of the transmission pan. The mark in the white stuff is from me wiping my finger through it. Thanks!! John 84 190D 79 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
