Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[WILTON]

More blizzard stuff:

FROZEN  FANNY
By Wilton Strickland

During the winter of 1973-74, when I was on a B-52H combat crew at Kincheloe 
AFB, MI, another crew member and I attended a dinner party with our wives at 
the Officers Club one evening while on nuclear alert.  Because I was going 
to be inside the club building for three or four hours, I had removed my 
thermal underwear, and was wearing only my cotton undershorts, T-shirt, 
nomex flight suit, and street shoes and socks.  While traveling from the 
alert facility to the club and back, I also wore a flight parka (waist 
length) with a hood and gloves.  As usual, we had additional cold weather 
clothing on the aircraft we could don if we were suddenly called upon to fly 
during this time.  On this particular day, as on many days in the Michigan 
Upper Peninsula, it had snowed hard all day.


Arriving back at the alert facility after the party, we got our crew-cab 
truck stuck in deep snow near our parking space, and as we tried to free the 
vehicle, one of the snow chains came off a rear wheel.  Using snow shovels, 
the driver and I worked for several minutes to remove snow from beneath the 
vehicle and reinstall the chain.  After we had finally parked the vehicle in 
the appropriate space, we went inside the building, where a movie was 
playing in the briefing room.  I stepped inside the briefing room, stood and 
watched the screen for a couple of minutes, then took a seat on the front 
row to watch the rest of the movie.  As I sat down, though, I suddenly felt 
significant pain in the buttocks area - I had frozen my buttocks!  While I 
shoveled snow and reinstalled the chain, my thin flight suit and under 
shorts were pulled tightly across my buttocks, which were elevated to the 
full fury of the blizzard as I bent to the task.  The skin on my buttocks 
came off like sunburn, and the area itched slightly for years.  So, you see, 
I literally froze my fanny off for Uncle Sam, and no, I did not claim a 
Purple Heart for it.  Oh, by the way, I never stood around scratching the 
itch, either - I quietly and simply endured it.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!


You write well.

I think the answer is that you get used to it and it just becomes normal.

--R


On 2/11/13 1:40 PM, WILTON wrote:
OK, all the talk of snow and ice reminded me; here's another Sondrestrom 
tale:


TENDER AMERICAN & A TOUGH GREENLANDER
By Wilton Strickland

One evening at dinner in early December, 1978, while I was Director of 
Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland, a friend reminded me that 
a popular movie was playing at the base theater.  Because it was very cold 
outside (chill factor about -85° F) we rushed to the theater hoping to get 
in without standing in line outside, but we were too late; there was 
already a line of about 25 people.  Though I was wearing thermal underwear 
and boots, regular pants and shirt, a down ski jacket with hood and 
gloves, I was worried about getting frostbite on my uncovered face.  (I 
had gotten some frostbite in Michigan about 5 years earlier - I knew I had 
to be careful.)  While standing in line a few minutes before getting to 
the ticket booth, I hunched down behind my friend trying to shield my face 
from the wind.  I also covered my face lightly with my hands and, for some 
additional heat on my face, exhaled my warm breath into the space between 
my hands and face.  The line moved along reasonably well, and I soon got 
inside and enjoyed the movie.


Before getting up the next morning, I could feel my forehead tingling and 
itching, and when I looked into the mirror to shave, I saw a red, vertical 
streak about ¾" wide down approximately the middle of my forehead - I had 
frostbite again!  As before, the skin on the frozen area came off, and the 
area itched for years. 'Til just a few years ago, I could still see the 
red streak on my forehead occasionally.


At Sunday lunch a few days after the theater incident, somebody mentioned 
that some sled dog teams were down at the port, seven miles away. 
(Tourists from Europe would occasionally fly in and charter native 
Greenlander sled dog teams for two-week trips from Sondrestrom to a small 
village on the coast or out onto the ice cap a few miles away.)  After 
lunch, a couple of friends rode down to the port with me to see the dog 
teams.


When we arrived at the port, only one team was still there.  The 
driver/master was busy rounding up his dogs and hitching them to the sled. 
(In Greenland, the 12 to 14 dogs forming a team are hitched to the sled 
individually in a wide, fan pattern; in Canada and Alaska, the dogs are 
hitched in pairs to form two straight, narrow rows in front of the sled to 
facilitate passing between trees.)  One-by-one, the driver attached a rope 
to each dog's harnes

Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[WILTON]

Thanks.

Acclimation or "getting used to it," yes, but physics is physics.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!


You write well.

I think the answer is that you get used to it and it just becomes normal.

--R


On 2/11/13 1:40 PM, WILTON wrote:
OK, all the talk of snow and ice reminded me; here's another Sondrestrom 
tale:


TENDER AMERICAN & A TOUGH GREENLANDER
By Wilton Strickland

One evening at dinner in early December, 1978, while I was Director of 
Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland, a friend reminded me that 
a popular movie was playing at the base theater.  Because it was very cold 
outside (chill factor about -85° F) we rushed to the theater hoping to get 
in without standing in line outside, but we were too late; there was 
already a line of about 25 people.  Though I was wearing thermal underwear 
and boots, regular pants and shirt, a down ski jacket with hood and 
gloves, I was worried about getting frostbite on my uncovered face.  (I 
had gotten some frostbite in Michigan about 5 years earlier - I knew I had 
to be careful.)  While standing in line a few minutes before getting to 
the ticket booth, I hunched down behind my friend trying to shield my face 
from the wind.  I also covered my face lightly with my hands and, for some 
additional heat on my face, exhaled my warm breath into the space between 
my hands and face.  The line moved along reasonably well, and I soon got 
inside and enjoyed the movie.


Before getting up the next morning, I could feel my forehead tingling and 
itching, and when I looked into the mirror to shave, I saw a red, vertical 
streak about ¾" wide down approximately the middle of my forehead - I had 
frostbite again!  As before, the skin on the frozen area came off, and the 
area itched for years. 'Til just a few years ago, I could still see the 
red streak on my forehead occasionally.


At Sunday lunch a few days after the theater incident, somebody mentioned 
that some sled dog teams were down at the port, seven miles away. 
(Tourists from Europe would occasionally fly in and charter native 
Greenlander sled dog teams for two-week trips from Sondrestrom to a small 
village on the coast or out onto the ice cap a few miles away.)  After 
lunch, a couple of friends rode down to the port with me to see the dog 
teams.


When we arrived at the port, only one team was still there.  The 
driver/master was busy rounding up his dogs and hitching them to the sled. 
(In Greenland, the 12 to 14 dogs forming a team are hitched to the sled 
individually in a wide, fan pattern; in Canada and Alaska, the dogs are 
hitched in pairs to form two straight, narrow rows in front of the sled to 
facilitate passing between trees.)  One-by-one, the driver attached a rope 
to each dog's harness and placed the dog in position in front of the sled. 
As he would turn away to another dog, those already in position would 
watch the driver/master closely, and when the master was looking away from 
them, they would hurriedly dig into certain cardboard boxes on the sled. 
The driver caught them doing this two or three times and scolded them 
harshly while kicking them back to their places in front of the sled.


During the few minutes the driver was getting the dogs in place, I stepped 
outside my truck several times to take photos.  The chill factor was still 
about -85° F.  Because I could not operate the camera wearing gloves, 
though, I removed them, focused as much as possible from inside the truck, 
then stepped outside, quickly refined the focus, took the shot and got 
back in the heated truck in just a few seconds.  Before I could finish the 
photo each time, though, my fingers, nose, etc., were tingling and hurting 
from the cold.  I'm certain that, if I had been outside for a few more 
seconds, I would have had frostbite on my fingers and nose. During the 
entire time, however, the Greenlander was wearing nothing on his head, 
face, ears and hands. What under garments he may have been wearing I don't 
know, but his outer clothing was blue jeans, a plaid shirt and 
boots/mukluks - no additional parka, etc.


He suddenly had all of his dogs in place, made one final and quick motion 
to attach all of the tow ropes to the sled at a single point, and flopped 
quickly down on the sled as the dogs took off. In a flash, they were down 
the sloped shoreline and moving rapidly down the frozen fjord, the 
driver's head, face, ears and hands still exposed to the extreme arctic 
conditions.


The mystery to me in all of this: How could my exposed skin freeze so 
quickly and the Greenlander's not under the same conditions at the same 
time?  Had the Greenlander's blood become so acclimated that it contained 
some type of "anti-freeze" factor, allowing him to toler

Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Rich Thomas]

Raymond" 
To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!



Standing Randy, I was standing...

I'd just replaced the main gas line and had to have the seat off for 
that. You don't sit in deep powder snow anyway, you stand and carve 
steering by shifting your weight.


The seat is in my basement drying out, apparently the tarp over the 
machine was leaking, the "padded seat" was full of water and frozen 
hard as a rock!


-Curt

Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:57:10 -0600
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
Message-ID: <511914d6.1060...@bennell.ca>
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I assume he is tough as nails too. Did you note that he has taken off
the padded seat on the sled and rides it sitting on the cold hard body
of the machine!

Randy

On 09/02/2013 8:15 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

Sir, You are a true connoisseur of old iron.  Wankel panther, 240D,
IHC M, Snappers, Cub cadet, tons of colemans.  You need a
Versatrailer.  Got a 45-70 Springfield trapdoor?



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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Curt Raymond]

It depends what you want to do. For the amount I'll ride the Wankel Panther 
specifically I don't bother. NH, VT and ME have antique snowmobile 
registrations where you pay a one time fee to ride for life. The idea is with 
these old classics with no suspension you're not going to ride a million miles 
a year. For a newer sled like my '78 I'll register, its like $40/yr plus my 
club membership (another $40 or so) which pays for grooming the trails and 
maintaining the bridges and whatnot.

I didn't register last year because of no snow, same thing this year, its too 
late now, we won't be riding for more than a month now...

We can ride on private property with no registration, I know some people so 
I've got some places I can ride to satisfy my need to get out.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:38:56 -0600
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
Message-ID: <51192cb0.6070...@bennell.ca>
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On 09/02/2013 8:00 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> 1971 Arctic Cat Panther 303W, powered by a Sachs 303cc Wankel Rotary engine. 
> About 19hp, 2 stroke, single rotor. Not a real high top speed, I had it up to 
> maybe 20 today, it might make 40, but its real smooth and has lots of torque, 
> a real good machine for pulling a load.
>
> Some pics from today:
> http://i.imgur.com/66IFIGE.jpg
> http://i.imgur.com/T0rRZo9.jpg
> http://i.imgur.com/87qa6gf.jpg
>
> Its missing the seat in those pics as I'd replaced the gas line in 
> troubleshooting. I've got a seat, its got an awesome leopard skin pattern on 
> it.
>
> Some engine shots, these are old but it still looks mostly the same:
> http://deadsledwrenchers.net/projects/303engine.JPG
> http://deadsledwrenchers.net/projects/303engine2.JPG
>
> -Curt
>
>

Do you have to licence and insure the snowmobiles where you are?
If so, what does that cost you?

I would sort of like to obtain a couple of old and fairly inexpensive 
machines but am reluctant to commit to more annual ongoing costs.

How is parts availability for the old Arctic Cats?

I would guess that Arctic Cat, Ski-Doo and Polaris should be as good as 
it gets with older parts. They sold lots of machines and still exist so 
the odds are probably better than the ones that disappeared.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[WILTON]

OK, all the talk of snow and ice reminded me; here's another Sondrestrom 
tale:


TENDER AMERICAN & A TOUGH GREENLANDER
By Wilton Strickland

One evening at dinner in early December, 1978, while I was Director of 
Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland, a friend reminded me that a 
popular movie was playing at the base theater.  Because it was very cold 
outside (chill factor about -85° F) we rushed to the theater hoping to get 
in without standing in line outside, but we were too late; there was already 
a line of about 25 people.  Though I was wearing thermal underwear and 
boots, regular pants and shirt, a down ski jacket with hood and gloves, I 
was worried about getting frostbite on my uncovered face.  (I had gotten 
some frostbite in Michigan about 5 years earlier - I knew I had to be 
careful.)  While standing in line a few minutes before getting to the ticket 
booth, I hunched down behind my friend trying to shield my face from the 
wind.  I also covered my face lightly with my hands and, for some additional 
heat on my face, exhaled my warm breath into the space between my hands and 
face.  The line moved along reasonably well, and I soon got inside and 
enjoyed the movie.


Before getting up the next morning, I could feel my forehead tingling and 
itching, and when I looked into the mirror to shave, I saw a red, vertical 
streak about ¾" wide down approximately the middle of my forehead - I had 
frostbite again!  As before, the skin on the frozen area came off, and the 
area itched for years.  'Til just a few years ago, I could still see the red 
streak on my forehead occasionally.


At Sunday lunch a few days after the theater incident, somebody mentioned 
that some sled dog teams were down at the port, seven miles away.  (Tourists 
from Europe would occasionally fly in and charter native Greenlander sled 
dog teams for two-week trips from Sondrestrom to a small village on the 
coast or out onto the ice cap a few miles away.)  After lunch, a couple of 
friends rode down to the port with me to see the dog teams.


When we arrived at the port, only one team was still there.  The 
driver/master was busy rounding up his dogs and hitching them to the sled. 
(In Greenland, the 12 to 14 dogs forming a team are hitched to the sled 
individually in a wide, fan pattern; in Canada and Alaska, the dogs are 
hitched in pairs to form two straight, narrow rows in front of the sled to 
facilitate passing between trees.)  One-by-one, the driver attached a rope 
to each dog's harness and placed the dog in position in front of the sled. 
As he would turn away to another dog, those already in position would watch 
the driver/master closely, and when the master was looking away from them, 
they would hurriedly dig into certain cardboard boxes on the sled.  The 
driver caught them doing this two or three times and scolded them harshly 
while kicking them back to their places in front of the sled.


During the few minutes the driver was getting the dogs in place, I stepped 
outside my truck several times to take photos.  The chill factor was still 
about -85° F.  Because I could not operate the camera wearing gloves, 
though, I removed them, focused as much as possible from inside the truck, 
then stepped outside, quickly refined the focus, took the shot and got back 
in the heated truck in just a few seconds.  Before I could finish the photo 
each time, though, my fingers, nose, etc., were tingling and hurting from 
the cold.  I'm certain that, if I had been outside for a few more seconds, I 
would have had frostbite on my fingers and nose.  During the entire time, 
however, the Greenlander was wearing nothing on his head, face, ears and 
hands. What under garments he may have been wearing I don't know, but his 
outer clothing was blue jeans, a plaid shirt and boots/mukluks - no 
additional parka, etc.


He suddenly had all of his dogs in place, made one final and quick motion to 
attach all of the tow ropes to the sled at a single point, and flopped 
quickly down on the sled as the dogs took off.  In a flash, they were down 
the sloped shoreline and moving rapidly down the frozen fjord, the driver's 
head, face, ears and hands still exposed to the extreme arctic conditions.


The mystery to me in all of this: How could my exposed skin freeze so 
quickly and the Greenlander's not under the same conditions at the same 
time?  Had the Greenlander's blood become so acclimated that it contained 
some type of "anti-freeze" factor, allowing him to tolerate much lower 
temperatures than I?  I still don't know the answer to that question, but my 
simple explanation, meanwhile, is that I was an extremely tender American 
and that was one VERY TOUGH Greenlander.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!



Standing Ra

Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Curt Raymond]

Standing Randy, I was standing...

I'd just replaced the main gas line and had to have the seat off for that. You 
don't sit in deep powder snow anyway, you stand and carve steering by shifting 
your weight.

The seat is in my basement drying out, apparently the tarp over the machine was 
leaking, the "padded seat" was full of water and frozen hard as a rock!

-Curt

Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:57:10 -0600
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
Message-ID: <511914d6.1060...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I assume he is tough as nails too. Did you note that he has taken off 
the padded seat on the sled and rides it sitting on the cold hard body 
of the machine!

Randy

On 09/02/2013 8:15 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
> Sir, You are a true connoisseur of old iron.  Wankel panther, 240D, 
> IHC M, Snappers, Cub cadet, tons of colemans.  You need a 
> Versatrailer.  Got a 45-70 Springfield trapdoor?
>

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Randy Bennell]

On 09/02/2013 8:00 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

1971 Arctic Cat Panther 303W, powered by a Sachs 303cc Wankel Rotary engine. 
About 19hp, 2 stroke, single rotor. Not a real high top speed, I had it up to 
maybe 20 today, it might make 40, but its real smooth and has lots of torque, a 
real good machine for pulling a load.

Some pics from today:
http://i.imgur.com/66IFIGE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T0rRZo9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/87qa6gf.jpg

Its missing the seat in those pics as I'd replaced the gas line in 
troubleshooting. I've got a seat, its got an awesome leopard skin pattern on it.

Some engine shots, these are old but it still looks mostly the same:
http://deadsledwrenchers.net/projects/303engine.JPG
http://deadsledwrenchers.net/projects/303engine2.JPG

-Curt




Do you have to licence and insure the snowmobiles where you are?
If so, what does that cost you?

I would sort of like to obtain a couple of old and fairly inexpensive 
machines but am reluctant to commit to more annual ongoing costs.


How is parts availability for the old Arctic Cats?

I would guess that Arctic Cat, Ski-Doo and Polaris should be as good as 
it gets with older parts. They sold lots of machines and still exist so 
the odds are probably better than the ones that disappeared.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Michael Canfield]

Your knee goes where the seat was and Carharts keep it warm...lol

Mike
On Feb 11, 2013 10:57 AM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:

> I assume he is tough as nails too. Did you note that he has taken off the
> padded seat on the sled and rides it sitting on the cold hard body of the
> machine!
>
> Randy
>
> On 09/02/2013 8:15 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
>
>> Sir, You are a true connoisseur of old iron.  Wankel panther, 240D, IHC
>> M, Snappers, Cub cadet, tons of colemans.  You need a Versatrailer.  Got a
>> 45-70 Springfield trapdoor?
>>
>>
>>  1971 Arctic Cat Panther 303W, powered by a Sachs 303cc Wankel Rotary
>>> engine. About 19hp, 2 stroke, single rotor. Not a real high top speed, I
>>> had it up to maybe 20 today, it might make 40, but its real smooth and has
>>> lots of torque, a real good machine for pulling a load.
>>>
>>> Some pics from today:
>>> http://i.imgur.com/66IFIGE.jpg
>>> http://i.imgur.com/T0rRZo9.jpg
>>> http://i.imgur.com/87qa6gf.jpg
>>>
>>> Its missing the seat in those pics as I'd replaced the gas line in
>>> troubleshooting. I've got a seat, its got an awesome leopard skin pattern
>>> on it.
>>>
>>> Some engine shots, these are old but it still looks mostly the same:
>>> http://deadsledwrenchers.net/**projects/303engine.JPG
>>> http://deadsledwrenchers.net/**projects/303engine2.JPG
>>>
>>> -Curt
>>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Randy Bennell]

I assume he is tough as nails too. Did you note that he has taken off 
the padded seat on the sled and rides it sitting on the cold hard body 
of the machine!


Randy

On 09/02/2013 8:15 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
Sir, You are a true connoisseur of old iron.  Wankel panther, 240D, 
IHC M, Snappers, Cub cadet, tons of colemans.  You need a 
Versatrailer.  Got a 45-70 Springfield trapdoor?



1971 Arctic Cat Panther 303W, powered by a Sachs 303cc Wankel Rotary 
engine. About 19hp, 2 stroke, single rotor. Not a real high top 
speed, I had it up to maybe 20 today, it might make 40, but its real 
smooth and has lots of torque, a real good machine for pulling a load.


Some pics from today:
http://i.imgur.com/66IFIGE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T0rRZo9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/87qa6gf.jpg

Its missing the seat in those pics as I'd replaced the gas line in 
troubleshooting. I've got a seat, its got an awesome leopard skin 
pattern on it.


Some engine shots, these are old but it still looks mostly the same:
http://deadsledwrenchers.net/projects/303engine.JPG
http://deadsledwrenchers.net/projects/303engine2.JPG

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[WILTON]

Driver's attitude and knowledge of and practice of basic physics are 
extremely important when driving on/in snow and ice.  I never had any 
problems driving in Nebraska with snow tires on '56 Chevy; even left NE 
early morning of 1 Mar 60 with everything we owned in car and utility 
trailer; broke trail down middle of road through 8" to 10" of new snow all 
the way across Iowa; 'passed many cars that night stuck on WV turnpike - we 
never stopped rolling until we got to a motel just off southern end.  Also, 
never had any problem in snow ice, etc., with Sears steel belted radials (no 
snow tires) for 4 years in MI UP; no snow tires on truck in Greenland, 
either - just several sand bags in cargo bed.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "OK Don" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!



Ah, but don't discount the difference the driver makes! I routinely drove
away from 4WD Jeeps and trucks on the ice at stop signs in OKC in my first
FWD car - the '74 Saab Sonnett. It was very light, but capable in the
slippery stuff. Then again, I never had much trouble with the V8 MGA 
either.


On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Jim Cathey  
wrote:



IIRC, Click & Clack put everybody's favorite FWD snow
car (a Camry, I think, or was it an Accord?) up against
some ancient giant boat of a RWD American car, both with
snow tires but no other special preparation, and the
boat kicked the rice cakes out of the FWD car in the snow.

Their point was, it's all about weight.  FWD was only
'advantageous' because it puts all of a light car's drivetrain
weight over the driven wheels, compensating for the overall
lightening of more economical cars.  Same reason the
old VW bug, though light, was pretty good in the snow.
(Would have been a good winter car, if you didn't care
about heat.)

But bags of sand are pretty cheap, and are usually pretty
easy to deploy in a RWD car.

-- Jim






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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[OK Don]

Ah, but don't discount the difference the driver makes! I routinely drove
away from 4WD Jeeps and trucks on the ice at stop signs in OKC in my first
FWD car - the '74 Saab Sonnett. It was very light, but capable in the
slippery stuff. Then again, I never had much trouble with the V8 MGA either.

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> IIRC, Click & Clack put everybody's favorite FWD snow
> car (a Camry, I think, or was it an Accord?) up against
> some ancient giant boat of a RWD American car, both with
> snow tires but no other special preparation, and the
> boat kicked the rice cakes out of the FWD car in the snow.
>
> Their point was, it's all about weight.  FWD was only
> 'advantageous' because it puts all of a light car's drivetrain
> weight over the driven wheels, compensating for the overall
> lightening of more economical cars.  Same reason the
> old VW bug, though light, was pretty good in the snow.
> (Would have been a good winter car, if you didn't care
> about heat.)
>
> But bags of sand are pretty cheap, and are usually pretty
> easy to deploy in a RWD car.
>
> -- Jim
>
>



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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Max Dillon]

My favorite comment: " would be great in a zombie attack situation."  Aye!
-- 
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'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Allan Streib  wrote:

>>
>
>http://bringatrailer.com/2009/02/15/1968-mercedes-benz-unimog-snow-blower/


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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Allan Streib]

Jim Cathey  writes:

>
>   http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/Mog/blowerload.jpg
>

http://bringatrailer.com/2009/02/15/1968-mercedes-benz-unimog-snow-blower/

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Dieselhead]

"Mechanized snow machinery is always authorized in the household 
budget, unless there is a Unimog or tractor, or pickup involved."


You would have thought so:

http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/Mog/blowerload.jpg

-- Jim

 How's that for an edit?

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Jim Cathey]

"Mechanized snow machinery is always authorized in the household 
budget."


You would have thought so:

http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/Mog/blowerload.jpg

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Max Dillon]

Lol, great rifle story!
-- 
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Charleston SC
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Curt Raymond  wrote:

>The old man does. Its okay I suppose but I prefer the .50-70 Sharps
>Cavalry carbine. The rod and gun club he goes to has a swinging metal
>plate thats probably 3 inches thick, maybe 12 inches in diameter. Dad
>and I were there one day with the Sharps and a couple guys were
>peppering it with a .223, it'd "ting" and swing ever so slightly, they
>kept at it and with careful timing could get it to swing maybe an inch.
>I took one shot with the Sharps and flipped it clean around. Its not
>how many shots you take, its the 400 grain projectile.
>
>Dad has a bunch of interesting guns, right now hes collecting military
>rifles from 1870 - 1890, basically the first metallic cartridge guns. I
>can't even keep up with what hes got...
>
>-Curt
>
>Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 20:15:20 -0600
>From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
>Message-ID: 
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
>Sir, You are a true connoisseur of old iron.  Wankel panther, 240D, 
>IHC M, Snappers, Cub cadet, tons of colemans.  You need a 
>Versatrailer.  Got a 45-70 Springfield trapdoor?
>
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Jon Agne]

No the new ones are much better and easier to usenot to mention safer, 
BUT you will pay  for them.  I think I paid $200 in 1985 for mine (BTW, 
it's a 1971, not 69), and it cost about $235 brand new in 1971 which is about 
$1300 in today's dollars.

Every time I take mine in for service, the owner down at the Arien's dealer ups 
his trade offer.  The latest one was $300, but I really don't want to spend 
another 600-900 for something I really don't need.

Here is the latest comparable model

http://brunswick-home-garden-shop.ariensstore.com/seriespage/deluxe/?uid=debae84b-6cbd-4d13-9609-7e631e7c6295&vid=88fe12c2-35da-4fd3-b528-ae454dc96e01&promocode=DEF&vcd=_anceneneaera&lidx=0

They do make a slightly smaller version for a little less money.

Jon

"Mechanized snow machinery is always authorized in the household budget."


On Feb 9, 2013, at 9:03 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Well my back hurts like hell now! I think I have to get one of those. Are the 
> old ones better?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 9, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:
> 
>> 1969 Ariensbest investment I made in 1985!
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 9, 2013, at 7:54 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Jim Cathey]

IIRC, Click & Clack put everybody's favorite FWD snow
car (a Camry, I think, or was it an Accord?) up against
some ancient giant boat of a RWD American car, both with
snow tires but no other special preparation, and the
boat kicked the rice cakes out of the FWD car in the snow.

Their point was, it's all about weight.  FWD was only
'advantageous' because it puts all of a light car's drivetrain
weight over the driven wheels, compensating for the overall
lightening of more economical cars.  Same reason the
old VW bug, though light, was pretty good in the snow.
(Would have been a good winter car, if you didn't care
about heat.)

But bags of sand are pretty cheap, and are usually pretty
easy to deploy in a RWD car.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Frederick Moir]

Go Ariens too! 
8 hp oldie with chains.
It's about as old as my youngest kid!
Still starts easily (Mobil One y'know).
It was struggling to move the snow today as the chute was lower than the snow, 
that first cut took some time.
I ache all over, and under too!
Stay warm and safe, don't overdo.
Also have a Sears, don't ask.
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: Mike Esh 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 8:52 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
> 
>Go Ariens!  I have a 24" wide Ariens of about the same vintage. It starts and 
>runs like a dream. I screwed in self tapping 3/8 x 1" screws about an inch a 
>apart and double rowed to aid in traction. (Gotta love those hard rubber tires)
>I picked it up from a friends Dad about 25 years ago after he bought a rider. 
>Mike
>Michael E. Esh
>231-286-2344
>
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Dieselhead]

The old man does. Its okay I suppose but I prefer the .50-70 Sharps 
Cavalry carbine. The rod and gun club he goes to has a swinging 
metal plate thats probably 3 inches thick, maybe 12 inches in 
diameter. Dad and I were there one day with the Sharps and a couple 
guys were peppering it with a .223, it'd "ting" and swing ever so 
slightly, they kept at it and with careful timing could get it to 
swing maybe an inch.
I took one shot with the Sharps and flipped it clean around. Its not 
how many shots you take, its the 400 grain projectile.


Dad has a bunch of interesting guns, right now hes collecting 
military rifles from 1870 - 1890, basically the first metallic 
cartridge guns. I can't even keep up with what hes got...


-Curt


Way cool!

If I wanted a schneemobile, I think the wankelpanther would be way cool.

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Dieselhead]

Well my back hurts like hell now! I think I have to get one of 
those. Are the old ones better?


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 9, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:


 1969 Ariensbest investment I made in 1985!

 >
 >


I bought a new Ariens in 2003?  Maybe it was before that  But it 
is wonderful.  Tecumseh engine starts easily.  never had to do 
anything to it but use it.  It is mid-range.  I think its 24" two 
stage.   It has 110V electric start.  NICE!  No stinking little 
hondog 350 battery to buy and maintain.  It is easy to shut off the 
gas and run the carb dry for summer.


I highly recommend Ariens if you are going to get a schee-blower 
(Schneekanone).   May to August is a good time to buy one.


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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Curt Raymond]

And mine is actually a Stage I Super M... ;)

Not to mention the '70 Ski-Doo, '78 Arctic Cat Pantera (The Cadillac Cat) and 
'79 Polaris Cobra currently with magic leaking fuel pump that fills the bottom 
end of the engine with gas.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 20:15:20 -0600
From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
Message-ID: 
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Sir, You are a true connoisseur of old iron.  Wankel panther, 240D, 
IHC M, Snappers, Cub cadet, tons of colemans.  You need a 
Versatrailer.  Got a 45-70 Springfield trapdoor?

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Curt Raymond]

The old man does. Its okay I suppose but I prefer the .50-70 Sharps Cavalry 
carbine. The rod and gun club he goes to has a swinging metal plate thats 
probably 3 inches thick, maybe 12 inches in diameter. Dad and I were there one 
day with the Sharps and a couple guys were peppering it with a .223, it'd 
"ting" and swing ever so slightly, they kept at it and with careful timing 
could get it to swing maybe an inch.
I took one shot with the Sharps and flipped it clean around. Its not how many 
shots you take, its the 400 grain projectile.

Dad has a bunch of interesting guns, right now hes collecting military rifles 
from 1870 - 1890, basically the first metallic cartridge guns. I can't even 
keep up with what hes got...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 20:15:20 -0600
From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

Sir, You are a true connoisseur of old iron.  Wankel panther, 240D, 
IHC M, Snappers, Cub cadet, tons of colemans.  You need a 
Versatrailer.  Got a 45-70 Springfield trapdoor?

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Dieselhead]

Sir, You are a true connoisseur of old iron.  Wankel panther, 240D, 
IHC M, Snappers, Cub cadet, tons of colemans.  You need a 
Versatrailer.  Got a 45-70 Springfield trapdoor?



1971 Arctic Cat Panther 303W, powered by a Sachs 303cc Wankel Rotary 
engine. About 19hp, 2 stroke, single rotor. Not a real high top 
speed, I had it up to maybe 20 today, it might make 40, but its real 
smooth and has lots of torque, a real good machine for pulling a 
load.


Some pics from today:
http://i.imgur.com/66IFIGE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T0rRZo9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/87qa6gf.jpg

Its missing the seat in those pics as I'd replaced the gas line in 
troubleshooting. I've got a seat, its got an awesome leopard skin 
pattern on it.


Some engine shots, these are old but it still looks mostly the same:
http://deadsledwrenchers.net/projects/303engine.JPG
http://deadsledwrenchers.net/projects/303engine2.JPG

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[dseretakis]

Well my back hurts like hell now! I think I have to get one of those. Are the 
old ones better?

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 9, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:

> 1969 Ariensbest investment I made in 1985!
> 
> 
> On Feb 9, 2013, at 7:54 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
>> Jon, thanks for that! If you can't get to it don't worry about it! I spent 
>> the whole day here shoveling. No fun!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 9, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:
>> 
>>> Dimitri,
>>> 
>>> Quite the storm up here!  It has finally stopped snowing, and my plow guy 
>>> just cleared the drive.  At 5am you could not see across the street.  The 
>>> average depth was just over the top of my trusty 1969 Ariens Snow-Throw so 
>>> it was slow going getting walks clear as well as Skip's driveway.  I was 
>>> unable to get down Maine St. to your drive as the plow had thrown all of 
>>> the snow onto the walk area.  When the town clears the walk, I get over to 
>>> your drivemaybe tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> It's been two good days for TV and chili.
>>> 
>>> Jon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2013, at 2:47 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> What's a Wankel Panther?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> No bad, no bad. Looks like we've ended up with just on two and a half 
>>>>> feet of snow, drifts up around 4 feet here and there like where my 190D 
>>>>> is parked beside the garage. Its quit completely now but it'll be a day 
>>>>> before we're completely cleaned up.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My snowblower is a champ it chewed and spat this stuff with no problems. 
>>>>> We were lucky, it was in the teens all night so the snow is soft and 
>>>>> powdery and throws easily. The worst was making that first pass, the snow 
>>>>> is deeper than my snowblower is tall and it would tend to build up around 
>>>>> the box that houses the carb, that box is open on the bottom (thank you 
>>>>> Ariens for no proper airbox) and the carb would occasionally get a slug 
>>>>> of snow which told me it was time to back up and take another run.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I proved that my '78 240D (victim of the pre-Christmas massive overheat) 
>>>>> will successfully start at 16F but I wouldn't want to try it a whole lot 
>>>>> colder. The 15w50 plus Lucas oil additive in the crankcase probably 
>>>>> aren't helping that but it does seem to keep the engine from making scary 
>>>>> noises.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Haven't tried firing up a snowmobile what with most of 'em buried. I've 
>>>>> got my Wankel Panther in the garage needing a gas line, I may give it a 
>>>>> shot, riding is going to be dicey what with the snow so soft. Supposed to 
>>>>> warm up just above freezing on Monday, I may wait for the snow to harden 
>>>>> up some then.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Curt
>>>>> 
>>>>> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:21:48 -0600
>>>>> From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
>>>>> Message-ID: 
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>>>>> 
>>>>> How are things going out Boston way?
>>>>> Anyone know about conditions in the Buffalo, NY area?
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Curt Raymond]

I should have added that you can of course come out anytime and give it a shot, 
its a blast to ride. I do need to figure out why the brakes don't work though. 
I can adjust them so they're on all the time or don't come on at all, nothing 
in between. I think maybe the shoes are worn. I should get a new set and throw 
them in.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 14:47:26 -0500
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
Message-ID: <73253f54-44b6-488b-bb6e-ade5b013d...@yahoo.com>
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What's a Wankel Panther?

Sent from my iPhone

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[Curt Raymond]

1971 Arctic Cat Panther 303W, powered by a Sachs 303cc Wankel Rotary engine. 
About 19hp, 2 stroke, single rotor. Not a real high top speed, I had it up to 
maybe 20 today, it might make 40, but its real smooth and has lots of torque, a 
real good machine for pulling a load.

Some pics from today:
http://i.imgur.com/66IFIGE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T0rRZo9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/87qa6gf.jpg

Its missing the seat in those pics as I'd replaced the gas line in 
troubleshooting. I've got a seat, its got an awesome leopard skin pattern on it.

Some engine shots, these are old but it still looks mostly the same:
http://deadsledwrenchers.net/projects/303engine.JPG
http://deadsledwrenchers.net/projects/303engine2.JPG

-Curt

Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 14:47:26 -0500
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
Message-ID: <73253f54-44b6-488b-bb6e-ade5b013d...@yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii

What's a Wankel Panther?

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[WILTON]

New 1971/72 Ski-Doo snowmobile.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!



What did you have for a Ski-Doo? I play mostly with sleds of the '70s...

The kid down the street was having a blast running around in the deep snow 
so I figured I had to show him that old sleds could keep up. I finally 
realized the reason my sled wouldn't run was that the pickup tube in the 
tank was leaking at its fitting.
I'd been told old Arctic Cat Panthers are good in deep snow and as Wilton 
says you just keep the power on and steer with balance. I made it most of 
the way around the yard only to get stuck in my typical spot, the neighbor 
has a wall and in this soft snow its tough to turn sharp. I got it turned 
around and headed back in my track because I couldn't get started again in 
the direction I was headed. Second pass was better but I got stuck in a 
pile of snow at which point I'd had enough for the day.


-Curt

Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 14:12:20 -0500
From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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Curt, I enjoyed riding my Ski-Doo up on top of 2 to 3-feet deep dry, 
powder

snow in Mi UP; worked great as long as I could keep the speed up enough to
stay fairly well up on/near top of it; 'could bank and turn much like
flying; 'tough, though, to get started, again, if I got stuck down in it.
;<)

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Curt Raymond]

What did you have for a Ski-Doo? I play mostly with sleds of the '70s...

The kid down the street was having a blast running around in the deep snow so I 
figured I had to show him that old sleds could keep up. I finally realized the 
reason my sled wouldn't run was that the pickup tube in the tank was leaking at 
its fitting.
I'd been told old Arctic Cat Panthers are good in deep snow and as Wilton says 
you just keep the power on and steer with balance. I made it most of the way 
around the yard only to get stuck in my typical spot, the neighbor has a wall 
and in this soft snow its tough to turn sharp. I got it turned around and 
headed back in my track because I couldn't get started again in the direction I 
was headed. Second pass was better but I got stuck in a pile of snow at which 
point I'd had enough for the day.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 14:12:20 -0500
From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
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Curt, I enjoyed riding my Ski-Doo up on top of 2 to 3-feet deep dry, powder 
snow in Mi UP; worked great as long as I could keep the speed up enough to 
stay fairly well up on/near top of it; 'could bank and turn much like 
flying; 'tough, though, to get started, again, if I got stuck down in it. 
;<)

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Mike Esh]

Go Ariens!  I have a 24" wide Ariens of about the same vintage. It starts and 
runs like a dream. I screwed in self tapping 3/8 x 1" screws about an inch a 
apart and double rowed to aid in traction. (Gotta love those hard rubber tires)
I picked it up from a friends Dad about 25 years ago after he bought a rider. 

Mike

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On Feb 9, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:

> 1969 Ariensbest investment I made in 1985!
> 
> 
> On Feb 9, 2013, at 7:54 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
>> Jon, thanks for that! If you can't get to it don't worry about it! I spent 
>> the whole day here shoveling. No fun!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 9, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:
>> 
>>> Dimitri,
>>> 
>>> Quite the storm up here!  It has finally stopped snowing, and my plow guy 
>>> just cleared the drive.  At 5am you could not see across the street.  The 
>>> average depth was just over the top of my trusty 1969 Ariens Snow-Throw so 
>>> it was slow going getting walks clear as well as Skip's driveway.  I was 
>>> unable to get down Maine St. to your drive as the plow had thrown all of 
>>> the snow onto the walk area.  When the town clears the walk, I get over to 
>>> your drivemaybe tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> It's been two good days for TV and chili.
>>> 
>>> Jon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2013, at 2:47 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> What's a Wankel Panther?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> No bad, no bad. Looks like we've ended up with just on two and a half 
>>>>> feet of snow, drifts up around 4 feet here and there like where my 190D 
>>>>> is parked beside the garage. Its quit completely now but it'll be a day 
>>>>> before we're completely cleaned up.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My snowblower is a champ it chewed and spat this stuff with no problems. 
>>>>> We were lucky, it was in the teens all night so the snow is soft and 
>>>>> powdery and throws easily. The worst was making that first pass, the snow 
>>>>> is deeper than my snowblower is tall and it would tend to build up around 
>>>>> the box that houses the carb, that box is open on the bottom (thank you 
>>>>> Ariens for no proper airbox) and the carb would occasionally get a slug 
>>>>> of snow which told me it was time to back up and take another run.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I proved that my '78 240D (victim of the pre-Christmas massive overheat) 
>>>>> will successfully start at 16F but I wouldn't want to try it a whole lot 
>>>>> colder. The 15w50 plus Lucas oil additive in the crankcase probably 
>>>>> aren't helping that but it does seem to keep the engine from making scary 
>>>>> noises.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Haven't tried firing up a snowmobile what with most of 'em buried. I've 
>>>>> got my Wankel Panther in the garage needing a gas line, I may give it a 
>>>>> shot, riding is going to be dicey what with the snow so soft. Supposed to 
>>>>> warm up just above freezing on Monday, I may wait for the snow to harden 
>>>>> up some then.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Curt
>>>>> 
>>>>> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:21:48 -0600
>>>>> From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
>>>>> Message-ID: 
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>>>>> 
>>>>> How are things going out Boston way?
>>>>> Anyone know about conditions in the Buffalo, NY area?
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Jon Agne]

1969 Ariensbest investment I made in 1985!


On Feb 9, 2013, at 7:54 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Jon, thanks for that! If you can't get to it don't worry about it! I spent 
> the whole day here shoveling. No fun!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 9, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:
> 
>> Dimitri,
>> 
>> Quite the storm up here!  It has finally stopped snowing, and my plow guy 
>> just cleared the drive.  At 5am you could not see across the street.  The 
>> average depth was just over the top of my trusty 1969 Ariens Snow-Throw so 
>> it was slow going getting walks clear as well as Skip's driveway.  I was 
>> unable to get down Maine St. to your drive as the plow had thrown all of the 
>> snow onto the walk area.  When the town clears the walk, I get over to your 
>> drivemaybe tomorrow.
>> 
>> It's been two good days for TV and chili.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 9, 2013, at 2:47 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> 
>>> What's a Wankel Panther?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> No bad, no bad. Looks like we've ended up with just on two and a half feet 
>>>> of snow, drifts up around 4 feet here and there like where my 190D is 
>>>> parked beside the garage. Its quit completely now but it'll be a day 
>>>> before we're completely cleaned up.
>>>> 
>>>> My snowblower is a champ it chewed and spat this stuff with no problems. 
>>>> We were lucky, it was in the teens all night so the snow is soft and 
>>>> powdery and throws easily. The worst was making that first pass, the snow 
>>>> is deeper than my snowblower is tall and it would tend to build up around 
>>>> the box that houses the carb, that box is open on the bottom (thank you 
>>>> Ariens for no proper airbox) and the carb would occasionally get a slug of 
>>>> snow which told me it was time to back up and take another run.
>>>> 
>>>> I proved that my '78 240D (victim of the pre-Christmas massive overheat) 
>>>> will successfully start at 16F but I wouldn't want to try it a whole lot 
>>>> colder. The 15w50 plus Lucas oil additive in the crankcase probably aren't 
>>>> helping that but it does seem to keep the engine from making scary noises.
>>>> 
>>>> Haven't tried firing up a snowmobile what with most of 'em buried. I've 
>>>> got my Wankel Panther in the garage needing a gas line, I may give it a 
>>>> shot, riding is going to be dicey what with the snow so soft. Supposed to 
>>>> warm up just above freezing on Monday, I may wait for the snow to harden 
>>>> up some then.
>>>> 
>>>> -Curt
>>>> 
>>>> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:21:48 -0600
>>>> From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
>>>> Message-ID: 
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>>>> 
>>>> How are things going out Boston way?
>>>> Anyone know about conditions in the Buffalo, NY area?
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[dseretakis]

Jon, thanks for that! If you can't get to it don't worry about it! I spent the 
whole day here shoveling. No fun!

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 9, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:

> Dimitri,
> 
> Quite the storm up here!  It has finally stopped snowing, and my plow guy 
> just cleared the drive.  At 5am you could not see across the street.  The 
> average depth was just over the top of my trusty 1969 Ariens Snow-Throw so it 
> was slow going getting walks clear as well as Skip's driveway.  I was unable 
> to get down Maine St. to your drive as the plow had thrown all of the snow 
> onto the walk area.  When the town clears the walk, I get over to your 
> drivemaybe tomorrow.
> 
> It's been two good days for TV and chili.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> On Feb 9, 2013, at 2:47 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
>> What's a Wankel Panther?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 9, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>>> No bad, no bad. Looks like we've ended up with just on two and a half feet 
>>> of snow, drifts up around 4 feet here and there like where my 190D is 
>>> parked beside the garage. Its quit completely now but it'll be a day before 
>>> we're completely cleaned up.
>>> 
>>> My snowblower is a champ it chewed and spat this stuff with no problems. We 
>>> were lucky, it was in the teens all night so the snow is soft and powdery 
>>> and throws easily. The worst was making that first pass, the snow is deeper 
>>> than my snowblower is tall and it would tend to build up around the box 
>>> that houses the carb, that box is open on the bottom (thank you Ariens for 
>>> no proper airbox) and the carb would occasionally get a slug of snow which 
>>> told me it was time to back up and take another run.
>>> 
>>> I proved that my '78 240D (victim of the pre-Christmas massive overheat) 
>>> will successfully start at 16F but I wouldn't want to try it a whole lot 
>>> colder. The 15w50 plus Lucas oil additive in the crankcase probably aren't 
>>> helping that but it does seem to keep the engine from making scary noises.
>>> 
>>> Haven't tried firing up a snowmobile what with most of 'em buried. I've got 
>>> my Wankel Panther in the garage needing a gas line, I may give it a shot, 
>>> riding is going to be dicey what with the snow so soft. Supposed to warm up 
>>> just above freezing on Monday, I may wait for the snow to harden up some 
>>> then.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:21:48 -0600
>>> From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
>>> Message-ID: 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>>> 
>>> How are things going out Boston way?
>>> Anyone know about conditions in the Buffalo, NY area?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Frederick Moir]

Err, go ask your mother.
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 2:47 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
> 
>What's a Wankel Panther?
>
>> 
>> Haven't tried firing up a snowmobile what with most of 'em buried. I've got 
>> my Wankel Panther in the garage needing a gas line, I may give it a shot, 
>> riding is going to be dicey what with the snow so soft. Supposed to warm up 
>> just above freezing on Monday, I may wait for the snow to harden up some 
>> then.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:21:48 -0600
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Jon Agne]

Dimitri,

Quite the storm up here!  It has finally stopped snowing, and my plow guy just 
cleared the drive.  At 5am you could not see across the street.  The average 
depth was just over the top of my trusty 1969 Ariens Snow-Throw so it was slow 
going getting walks clear as well as Skip's driveway.  I was unable to get down 
Maine St. to your drive as the plow had thrown all of the snow onto the walk 
area.  When the town clears the walk, I get over to your drivemaybe 
tomorrow.

It's been two good days for TV and chili.

Jon


On Feb 9, 2013, at 2:47 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

> What's a Wankel Panther?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 9, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
>> No bad, no bad. Looks like we've ended up with just on two and a half feet 
>> of snow, drifts up around 4 feet here and there like where my 190D is parked 
>> beside the garage. Its quit completely now but it'll be a day before we're 
>> completely cleaned up.
>> 
>> My snowblower is a champ it chewed and spat this stuff with no problems. We 
>> were lucky, it was in the teens all night so the snow is soft and powdery 
>> and throws easily. The worst was making that first pass, the snow is deeper 
>> than my snowblower is tall and it would tend to build up around the box that 
>> houses the carb, that box is open on the bottom (thank you Ariens for no 
>> proper airbox) and the carb would occasionally get a slug of snow which told 
>> me it was time to back up and take another run.
>> 
>> I proved that my '78 240D (victim of the pre-Christmas massive overheat) 
>> will successfully start at 16F but I wouldn't want to try it a whole lot 
>> colder. The 15w50 plus Lucas oil additive in the crankcase probably aren't 
>> helping that but it does seem to keep the engine from making scary noises.
>> 
>> Haven't tried firing up a snowmobile what with most of 'em buried. I've got 
>> my Wankel Panther in the garage needing a gas line, I may give it a shot, 
>> riding is going to be dicey what with the snow so soft. Supposed to warm up 
>> just above freezing on Monday, I may wait for the snow to harden up some 
>> then.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:21:48 -0600
>> From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
>> Message-ID: 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>> 
>> How are things going out Boston way?
>> Anyone know about conditions in the Buffalo, NY area?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[dseretakis]

What's a Wankel Panther?

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 9, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> No bad, no bad. Looks like we've ended up with just on two and a half feet of 
> snow, drifts up around 4 feet here and there like where my 190D is parked 
> beside the garage. Its quit completely now but it'll be a day before we're 
> completely cleaned up.
> 
> My snowblower is a champ it chewed and spat this stuff with no problems. We 
> were lucky, it was in the teens all night so the snow is soft and powdery and 
> throws easily. The worst was making that first pass, the snow is deeper than 
> my snowblower is tall and it would tend to build up around the box that 
> houses the carb, that box is open on the bottom (thank you Ariens for no 
> proper airbox) and the carb would occasionally get a slug of snow which told 
> me it was time to back up and take another run.
> 
> I proved that my '78 240D (victim of the pre-Christmas massive overheat) will 
> successfully start at 16F but I wouldn't want to try it a whole lot colder. 
> The 15w50 plus Lucas oil additive in the crankcase probably aren't helping 
> that but it does seem to keep the engine from making scary noises.
> 
> Haven't tried firing up a snowmobile what with most of 'em buried. I've got 
> my Wankel Panther in the garage needing a gas line, I may give it a shot, 
> riding is going to be dicey what with the snow so soft. Supposed to warm up 
> just above freezing on Monday, I may wait for the snow to harden up some then.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:21:48 -0600
> From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
> 
> How are things going out Boston way?
> Anyone know about conditions in the Buffalo, NY area?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[WILTON]

Curt, I enjoyed riding my Ski-Doo up on top of 2 to 3-feet deep dry, powder 
snow in Mi UP; worked great as long as I could keep the speed up enough to 
stay fairly well up on/near top of it; 'could bank and turn much like 
flying; 'tough, though, to get started, again, if I got stuck down in it. 
;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!


No bad, no bad. Looks like we've ended up with just on two and a half feet 
of snow, drifts up around 4 feet here and there like where my 190D is 
parked beside the garage. Its quit completely now but it'll be a day 
before we're completely cleaned up.


My snowblower is a champ it chewed and spat this stuff with no problems. 
We were lucky, it was in the teens all night so the snow is soft and 
powdery and throws easily. The worst was making that first pass, the snow 
is deeper than my snowblower is tall and it would tend to build up around 
the box that houses the carb, that box is open on the bottom (thank you 
Ariens for no proper airbox) and the carb would occasionally get a slug of 
snow which told me it was time to back up and take another run.


I proved that my '78 240D (victim of the pre-Christmas massive overheat) 
will successfully start at 16F but I wouldn't want to try it a whole lot 
colder. The 15w50 plus Lucas oil additive in the crankcase probably aren't 
helping that but it does seem to keep the engine from making scary noises.


Haven't tried firing up a snowmobile what with most of 'em buried. I've 
got my Wankel Panther in the garage needing a gas line, I may give it a 
shot, riding is going to be dicey what with the snow so soft. Supposed to 
warm up just above freezing on Monday, I may wait for the snow to harden 
up some then.


-Curt

Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:21:48 -0600
From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

How are things going out Boston way?
Anyone know about conditions in the Buffalo, NY area?

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Curt Raymond]

No bad, no bad. Looks like we've ended up with just on two and a half feet of 
snow, drifts up around 4 feet here and there like where my 190D is parked 
beside the garage. Its quit completely now but it'll be a day before we're 
completely cleaned up.

My snowblower is a champ it chewed and spat this stuff with no problems. We 
were lucky, it was in the teens all night so the snow is soft and powdery and 
throws easily. The worst was making that first pass, the snow is deeper than my 
snowblower is tall and it would tend to build up around the box that houses the 
carb, that box is open on the bottom (thank you Ariens for no proper airbox) 
and the carb would occasionally get a slug of snow which told me it was time to 
back up and take another run.

I proved that my '78 240D (victim of the pre-Christmas massive overheat) will 
successfully start at 16F but I wouldn't want to try it a whole lot colder. The 
15w50 plus Lucas oil additive in the crankcase probably aren't helping that but 
it does seem to keep the engine from making scary noises.

Haven't tried firing up a snowmobile what with most of 'em buried. I've got my 
Wankel Panther in the garage needing a gas line, I may give it a shot, riding 
is going to be dicey what with the snow so soft. Supposed to warm up just above 
freezing on Monday, I may wait for the snow to harden up some then.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:21:48 -0600
From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

How are things going out Boston way?
Anyone know about conditions in the Buffalo, NY area?

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Dieselhead]

How are things going out Boston way?
Anyone know about conditions in the Buffalo, NY area?

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Yeah, its no serious problem, but an unexpected boost of power can send the
tail end a bit sideways!

Jaime



On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The trick to driving a turbo diesel it just preventing the turbo boost from
>> creating wheel spin.  This is easier in some cars than others.  Its all
>> about light throttle.
>>
>>
> I have never encountered a situation where the turbo was a detriment. If
> it was, it would be easy to temporarily pull the vacuum/pressure line from
> the intake manifold so that no boost is produced.   Then you have a NA
> engine.
>
> I sincerely doubt that doing so would prevent anyone from getting stuck,
> or if stuck, would enable getting out when you could not get out with the
> turbo.
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Dieselhead]

The trick to driving a turbo diesel it just preventing the turbo boost from
creating wheel spin.  This is easier in some cars than others.  Its all
about light throttle.



I have never encountered a situation where the turbo was a detriment. 
If it was, it would be easy to temporarily pull the vacuum/pressure 
line from the intake manifold so that no boost is produced.   Then 
you have a NA engine.


I sincerely doubt that doing so would prevent anyone from getting 
stuck, or if stuck, would enable getting out when you could not get 
out with the turbo.


If this was truly a problem, you would have seen retrofit kits to 
"turn off" the turbo first, then later a switch from the Mfgr. to 
turn the turbo on or off or even modulate the boost.


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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Michael Canfield]

Good snow tires and don't be afraid to dirt track it a little.  Step on the
throttle hard, let 'er spin a bit.  It will shift into the next gear, grab
traction and go straight down the road.  Mind you don't want to do that on
ice but it works like a charm with a set of Firestone snows(75 series
instead of 70 for more height and a narrower track) in the snow.  That and
it's fun!
  I learned to drive in a muddy corn field with a 300hp v8 Torino GT stock
car with a welded rear diff, roll cage and a set of old bias ply mud grip
tires.  Makes driving in the snow in a 300d rather low key in comparison.
On the way home last night we came up on a car going 35 or so.  Decided to
pass in the unplowed opposing lane.  Got almost past the other car when the
ole girl got sideways a bit.  Let off a touch and got right back into it
with a good bit of steering and off we went on our way.  I love how
predictable the 300d is in the snow.  Bet the other driver about pissed
themselves.lol

Mike
On Feb 9, 2013 10:49 AM, "Jaime Kopchinski"  wrote:

> The trick to driving a turbo diesel it just preventing the turbo boost from
> creating wheel spin.  This is easier in some cars than others.  Its all
> about light throttle.
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I can attest to the poor snow and ice performance with a turbodiesel of
> >> any type and the 220D, for similar reasons.  The 220D auto has a fluid
> >> coupling with fixed slip, so it transmits too much torque to the rear
> >> wheels.  A turbo typically spins up and adds power without direct
> control
> >> by the driver, with the result again that there is too much torque being
> >> applied to the rear wheels.
> >>
> >> Good tires make all the difference.  My old Volvo TD would spin on wet
> >> pavement, let alone ice or snow when I got it, and after 50,000 miles
> the
> >> tires looked exactly like they did when I got it -- super hard 80,000
> mile
> >> tires.  No traction.  I replaced them with Firestone LH-30s, and it
> became
> >> a decent car in ice and snow. Sadly, those tires are no longer
> available,
> >> they've been "improved" by tires with less traction and poorer balance!
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >
> > I disagree.  I drove my SDL nearly every day for seven or eight years in
> > every kind of condition.  With blizzaks, it would go anywhere within
> > reason.  It is obviously a turbodiesel.  I also drove a 123 300D one
> winter
> > and it was great too.  It is all about tires.  I don't even remember what
> > was on the 300TD, but those tires were nothing special.  Just some off
> > brand tire that was on it when I got the car.  It was a turbodiesel also.
> >  In those years I averaged over 50k per year on the SDL or TD, and drove
> > several other vehicles too. Turbodiesel or Diesel, MBs handle well in
>  snow
> > with good tires and in most cases, weight in the trunk.I'd still
> prefer
> > a 110 200D 2.4 for winter driving.(based on 42 yrs experience driving
> > MBs and lotsa other stuff in winter conditions.)
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Jaime Kopchinski]

The trick to driving a turbo diesel it just preventing the turbo boost from
creating wheel spin.  This is easier in some cars than others.  Its all
about light throttle.




On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can attest to the poor snow and ice performance with a turbodiesel of
>> any type and the 220D, for similar reasons.  The 220D auto has a fluid
>> coupling with fixed slip, so it transmits too much torque to the rear
>> wheels.  A turbo typically spins up and adds power without direct control
>> by the driver, with the result again that there is too much torque being
>> applied to the rear wheels.
>>
>> Good tires make all the difference.  My old Volvo TD would spin on wet
>> pavement, let alone ice or snow when I got it, and after 50,000 miles the
>> tires looked exactly like they did when I got it -- super hard 80,000 mile
>> tires.  No traction.  I replaced them with Firestone LH-30s, and it became
>> a decent car in ice and snow. Sadly, those tires are no longer available,
>> they've been "improved" by tires with less traction and poorer balance!
>>
>> Peter
>>
>
> I disagree.  I drove my SDL nearly every day for seven or eight years in
> every kind of condition.  With blizzaks, it would go anywhere within
> reason.  It is obviously a turbodiesel.  I also drove a 123 300D one winter
> and it was great too.  It is all about tires.  I don't even remember what
> was on the 300TD, but those tires were nothing special.  Just some off
> brand tire that was on it when I got the car.  It was a turbodiesel also.
>  In those years I averaged over 50k per year on the SDL or TD, and drove
> several other vehicles too. Turbodiesel or Diesel, MBs handle well in  snow
> with good tires and in most cases, weight in the trunk.I'd still prefer
> a 110 200D 2.4 for winter driving.(based on 42 yrs experience driving
> MBs and lotsa other stuff in winter conditions.)
>
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Jaime Kopchinski]

The worst car I had in the snow was a euro spec 1980 380SE.  These early
euro cars were geared low and were quite powerful.  (nothing like the US
spec 380SE).  I had 4 Vredestein snow tires on it and recall having a very
hard time.  At one point I was stuck in a few inches of snow and a rear
tire was spinning at idle speed without even pressing the gas.  The tires
were a year or two old at that point, but by no means worn.

The year before I was driving a '82 300SD I got for free (it was kinda
rough).  I put the same the some snows on that, four people in the car, and
it went everywhere.  I drove up a steep highway here in heavy snow, weaving
in and out (at about 15mph) of all the disabled vehicles.  I think the
weight made a big difference here.  That was a great car.

Jaime



On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 9:54 AM, WILTON  wrote:

> -And driver attitude.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Jim Cathey" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 9:47 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
>
>
>  I wasn't expecting good snow performance as I had been used to driving my
>>> 220D automatic and a 450 and 560SEL which were not the best.
>>>
>>
>> My winter car is a 200D manual.  For a short period my wife
>> was driving the 450SL.  Both riding on Hakkas, and both are/were
>> pretty darned good in the snow.  In the 200D I've driven on a
>> badly drifted road, with waves of snow washing over the hood,
>> and my only problems were ensuring that I was _on_ the road,
>> and avoiding stopping.
>>
>> A good set of snow tires and 200# of sand in the back also
>> transformed my Camaro, a car that loved to spin around normally,
>> into a not-bad snow car.
>>
>> The most amazing slippery road performance I have ever personally
>> experienced was in my Dodge pickup riding on mud/snow tires, with
>> a 3000# camper in the back!  On a glare ice day when _everybody_
>> was slipping and sliding around, we didn't even lose traction
>> once.
>>
>> It's all about tires.  And weight.
>>
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Dieselhead]

I can attest to the poor snow and ice performance with a turbodiesel 
of any type and the 220D, for similar reasons.  The 220D auto has a 
fluid coupling with fixed slip, so it transmits too much torque to 
the rear wheels.  A turbo typically spins up and adds power without 
direct control by the driver, with the result again that there is 
too much torque being applied to the rear wheels.


Good tires make all the difference.  My old Volvo TD would spin on 
wet pavement, let alone ice or snow when I got it, and after 50,000 
miles the tires looked exactly like they did when I got it -- super 
hard 80,000 mile tires.  No traction.  I replaced them with 
Firestone LH-30s, and it became a decent car in ice and snow. 
Sadly, those tires are no longer available, they've been "improved" 
by tires with less traction and poorer balance!


Peter


I disagree.  I drove my SDL nearly every day for seven or eight years 
in every kind of condition.  With blizzaks, it would go anywhere 
within reason.  It is obviously a turbodiesel.  I also drove a 123 
300D one winter and it was great too.  It is all about tires.  I 
don't even remember what was on the 300TD, but those tires were 
nothing special.  Just some off brand tire that was on it when I got 
the car.  It was a turbodiesel also.  In those years I averaged over 
50k per year on the SDL or TD, and drove several other vehicles too. 
Turbodiesel or Diesel, MBs handle well in  snow with good tires and 
in most cases, weight in the trunk.I'd still prefer a 110 200D 
2.4 for winter driving.(based on 42 yrs experience driving MBs 
and lotsa other stuff in winter conditions.)


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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[WILTON]

-And driver attitude.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Cathey" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!


I wasn't expecting good snow performance as I had been used to driving 
my 220D automatic and a 450 and 560SEL which were not the best.


My winter car is a 200D manual.  For a short period my wife
was driving the 450SL.  Both riding on Hakkas, and both are/were
pretty darned good in the snow.  In the 200D I've driven on a
badly drifted road, with waves of snow washing over the hood,
and my only problems were ensuring that I was _on_ the road,
and avoiding stopping.

A good set of snow tires and 200# of sand in the back also
transformed my Camaro, a car that loved to spin around normally,
into a not-bad snow car.

The most amazing slippery road performance I have ever personally
experienced was in my Dodge pickup riding on mud/snow tires, with
a 3000# camper in the back!  On a glare ice day when _everybody_
was slipping and sliding around, we didn't even lose traction
once.

It's all about tires.  And weight.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Jim Cathey]

I wasn't expecting good snow performance as I had been used to driving 
my 220D automatic and a 450 and 560SEL which were not the best.


My winter car is a 200D manual.  For a short period my wife
was driving the 450SL.  Both riding on Hakkas, and both are/were
pretty darned good in the snow.  In the 200D I've driven on a
badly drifted road, with waves of snow washing over the hood,
and my only problems were ensuring that I was _on_ the road,
and avoiding stopping.

A good set of snow tires and 200# of sand in the back also
transformed my Camaro, a car that loved to spin around normally,
into a not-bad snow car.

The most amazing slippery road performance I have ever personally
experienced was in my Dodge pickup riding on mud/snow tires, with
a 3000# camper in the back!  On a glare ice day when _everybody_
was slipping and sliding around, we didn't even lose traction
once.

It's all about tires.  And weight.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Peter Frederick]

I can attest to the poor snow and ice performance with a turbodiesel  
of any type and the 220D, for similar reasons.  The 220D auto has a  
fluid coupling with fixed slip, so it transmits too much torque to the  
rear wheels.  A turbo typically spins up and adds power without direct  
control by the driver, with the result again that there is too much  
torque being applied to the rear wheels.


Good tires make all the difference.  My old Volvo TD would spin on wet  
pavement, let alone ice or snow when I got it, and after 50,000 miles  
the tires looked exactly like they did when I got it -- super hard  
80,000 mile tires.  No traction.  I replaced them with Firestone  
LH-30s, and it became a decent car in ice and snow.  Sadly, those  
tires are no longer available, they've been "improved" by tires with  
less traction and poorer balance!


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[dseretakis]

Yes, when I bought it I wasn't expecting good snow performance as I had been 
used to driving my 220D automatic and a 450 and 560SEL which were not the best.

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On Feb 9, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Do tell. I've found a 240D with 100-150# in the trunk to be about the best 
> winter car you can get. I'll stack it up against any soft-roader out there, 
> especially if I get to have snow tires.
> 
> You do need to recalibrate how you drive. With the 240D every start is 
> normally an excuse to floor the pedal, but that means in the snow I've got 
> that much more space to module the pedal...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:55:52 -0500
> From: Allan Streib 
> To: Jaime Kopchinski ,    mercedes Mailing List
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> Jaime Kopchinski  writes:
> 
>> On the way home I was reminded again how good W123s can be in foul
>> weather...
> 
> You have got to be joking.  Mine tries to kill me.  Even with 150lbs of
> sand in the trunk.
> 
>> my ugly Cooper UltraNoise snow tires did a great job of
>> navigating the slushy mess out on I-80.  On one hand I feel bad driving it
>> in these bad conditions, but I did buy the car for daily driving.  And it
>> handles weather like this so well.
> 
> Maybe the snow tires really make a difference.
> 
> Allan
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> 1979 300SD
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Curt Raymond]

Do tell. I've found a 240D with 100-150# in the trunk to be about the best 
winter car you can get. I'll stack it up against any soft-roader out there, 
especially if I get to have snow tires.

You do need to recalibrate how you drive. With the 240D every start is normally 
an excuse to floor the pedal, but that means in the snow I've got that much 
more space to module the pedal...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:55:52 -0500
From: Allan Streib 
To: Jaime Kopchinski ,mercedes Mailing List
    
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD AHHH!!
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain

Jaime Kopchinski  writes:

> On the way home I was reminded again how good W123s can be in foul
> weather...

You have got to be joking.  Mine tries to kill me.  Even with 150lbs of
sand in the trunk.

> my ugly Cooper UltraNoise snow tires did a great job of
> navigating the slushy mess out on I-80.  On one hand I feel bad driving it
> in these bad conditions, but I did buy the car for daily driving.  And it
> handles weather like this so well.

Maybe the snow tires really make a difference.

Allan
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Looks like we did well in this storm... well over a foot outside and no
evidence of any wind damage.  Overall, the forecasters did a good job with
this one, the NOAA maps were predicting 12-13 inches for us.  This is our
first good snow fall in two years.

I'm a little disappointed they plowed our street so well here.  Its just a
quiet side street without much traffic.  But they got it down to the
pavement in some spots sometime before 6am.  There will be no fun driving
around later today :-(

Jaime



On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> We're all settled in here in NE New Jersey waiting for the heavy snow to
> start.  Fire is burning, short ribs braising on the the stove, some beer in
> the fridge, and snow blower and generator standing by if needed.  Light
> snow has been falling all day.
>
> On the way home I was reminded again how good W123s can be in foul
> weather... my ugly Cooper UltraNoise snow tires did a great job of
> navigating the slushy mess out on I-80.  On one hand I feel bad driving it
> in these bad conditions, but I did buy the car for daily driving.  And it
> handles weather like this so well.
>
> I hope all those north east of hear do ok, should be much worse than what
> they're calling for here.
>
> Jaime
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Its true.  For the most part, peoples cars aren't bad in the snow, their
tires are.  All seasons can't compare to dedicated winter tires.  Our S600
and CL600 at work does great in the snow with a fresh set of winter tires.
 I've driven them in some pretty bad conditions.

Jaime



On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>>
>> Maybe the snow tires really make a difference.
>>
>> Allan
>> --
>> 1983 300D
>> 1979 300SD
>>
>
> Good tires are cheap insurance.
>
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>
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[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:


Maybe the snow tires really make a difference.


Quebec claims a major decrease in winter crashes since they mandated snow tires.
I wonder if the gains will hold after all those brand new snow tires get worn 
down to the new legal limit.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Jim Cathey]

You have got to be joking.  Mine tries to kill me.  Even with 150lbs of
sand in the trunk...
Maybe the snow tires really make a difference.


Dude, you would not believe it.  I'm fond of Nokian.  Hakka 1's
on the Frankenheap.

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Jon Agne]

Well said.

I LOVE my Harmony's.

Jon


On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:17 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe the snow tires really make a difference.
>> 
>> Allan
>> --
>> 1983 300D
>> 1979 300SD
> 
> Good tires are cheap insurance.
> 
> Good tires are the first insurance policy you should buy (and renew)
> 
> Good tires are ones that stick to the road, not necessarily high performance 
> tires or expensive.
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Dieselhead]

Maybe the snow tires really make a difference.

Allan
--
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1979 300SD


Good tires are cheap insurance.

Good tires are the first insurance policy you should buy (and renew)

Good tires are ones that stick to the road, not necessarily high 
performance tires or expensive.


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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Allan Streib]

Jaime Kopchinski  writes:

> On the way home I was reminded again how good W123s can be in foul
> weather...

You have got to be joking.  Mine tries to kill me.  Even with 150lbs of
sand in the trunk.

> my ugly Cooper UltraNoise snow tires did a great job of
> navigating the slushy mess out on I-80.  On one hand I feel bad driving it
> in these bad conditions, but I did buy the car for daily driving.  And it
> handles weather like this so well.

Maybe the snow tires really make a difference.

Allan
-- 
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Mitch Haley]

Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

We're all settled in here in NE New Jersey waiting for the heavy snow to
start.


It only dumped 6" of wet heavy stuff on me in Michigan last night. Closed all 
the schools in the area.
The S210 4Matic just zoomed down the driveway, with nary a hint of traction 
control. Then I turned onto the plowed and polished roadway and anything but the 
lightest touch of throttle got me a blinking yellow triangle in the dash.


I'm quite happy with the General G-Max tires in deep snow. Haven't had this much 
fun in the snow since I put four new snow tires on my 4WD 1976 Subaru wagon. 
When it comes to packed snow resembling ice, the G-Max are not very good, but I 
don't know if any all season tires would be.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Dieselhead]

Yes my 240D with Michelin Harmony all season tires does 
exceptionally well in the snow.


Sent from my iPhone


My 240D with two sandbags in the trunk and all season tars always did 
just fine.


SDL with Blizzaks on the rear and weight in the trunk did fine.

GranCarVan does fine with Blizzaks on the front.

I can't even 'member ever being stuck in schnee.

Pre-1988, the quantum and Escort did fine in snow with all season 
tars on the front.


In 1983, I did end up on the shoulder on ice when the accelerator 
linkage on the frod van (1st gen) froze up in the ice storm.  Was not 
going that fast, but it took me a few seconds to react after I let 
off the pedal.  Coming home after a 9 hr all nigh flight.  I was 
tarred...  Not the fault of the tars at all.


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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Michael Canfield]

Just got in from a 3 hour drive in the snow with the 300d.  Drifting around
corners on the back roads of PA is so much fun.  Got sideways a couple
times when wasn't planned but in typical rwd euro car fashion, back off the
throttle a touch and she's back straight again.  Last leg was up over a
dirt road with a foot of wet snow.  Sideways the whole way and never under
4K rpm's to keep the tires clean,(it is a steap hill!) nearly came to a
stop a couple times but just put 'er to the floor and let the Firestones
dig to the dirt...good Italian tuneup for it as it never missed a
beat.

Mike
On Feb 8, 2013 6:44 PM,  wrote:

> Yes my 240D with Michelin Harmony all season tires does exceptionally well
> in the snow.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 8, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
>
> > We're all settled in here in NE New Jersey waiting for the heavy snow to
> > start.  Fire is burning, short ribs braising on the the stove, some beer
> in
> > the fridge, and snow blower and generator standing by if needed.  Light
> > snow has been falling all day.
> >
> > On the way home I was reminded again how good W123s can be in foul
> > weather... my ugly Cooper UltraNoise snow tires did a great job of
> > navigating the slushy mess out on I-80.  On one hand I feel bad driving
> it
> > in these bad conditions, but I did buy the car for daily driving.  And it
> > handles weather like this so well.
> >
> > I hope all those north east of hear do ok, should be much worse than what
> > they're calling for here.
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[dseretakis]

Yes my 240D with Michelin Harmony all season tires does exceptionally well in 
the snow.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 8, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> We're all settled in here in NE New Jersey waiting for the heavy snow to
> start.  Fire is burning, short ribs braising on the the stove, some beer in
> the fridge, and snow blower and generator standing by if needed.  Light
> snow has been falling all day.
> 
> On the way home I was reminded again how good W123s can be in foul
> weather... my ugly Cooper UltraNoise snow tires did a great job of
> navigating the slushy mess out on I-80.  On one hand I feel bad driving it
> in these bad conditions, but I did buy the car for daily driving.  And it
> handles weather like this so well.
> 
> I hope all those north east of hear do ok, should be much worse than what
> they're calling for here.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> -- 
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> http://www.jaimekop.com/
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Rich Thomas]

no no -- gummint money to help you recover!

--R

On 2/8/13 3:34 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

You mean my insurance policy?  Yep, I'm covered.




On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


Have you put in your advance request for $20billion in recovery funds?

--R


On 2/8/13 2:56 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:


We're all settled in here in NE New Jersey waiting for the heavy snow to
start.  Fire is burning, short ribs braising on the the stove, some beer
in
the fridge, and snow blower and generator standing by if needed.  Light
snow has been falling all day.

On the way home I was reminded again how good W123s can be in foul
weather... my ugly Cooper UltraNoise snow tires did a great job of
navigating the slushy mess out on I-80.  On one hand I feel bad driving it
in these bad conditions, but I did buy the car for daily driving.  And it
handles weather like this so well.

I hope all those north east of hear do ok, should be much worse than what
they're calling for here.

Jaime




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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Jaime Kopchinski]

You mean my insurance policy?  Yep, I'm covered.




On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Have you put in your advance request for $20billion in recovery funds?
>
> --R
>
>
> On 2/8/13 2:56 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
>
>> We're all settled in here in NE New Jersey waiting for the heavy snow to
>> start.  Fire is burning, short ribs braising on the the stove, some beer
>> in
>> the fridge, and snow blower and generator standing by if needed.  Light
>> snow has been falling all day.
>>
>> On the way home I was reminded again how good W123s can be in foul
>> weather... my ugly Cooper UltraNoise snow tires did a great job of
>> navigating the slushy mess out on I-80.  On one hand I feel bad driving it
>> in these bad conditions, but I did buy the car for daily driving.  And it
>> handles weather like this so well.
>>
>> I hope all those north east of hear do ok, should be much worse than what
>> they're calling for here.
>>
>> Jaime
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Rich Thomas]

Have you put in your advance request for $20billion in recovery funds?

--R

On 2/8/13 2:56 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

We're all settled in here in NE New Jersey waiting for the heavy snow to
start.  Fire is burning, short ribs braising on the the stove, some beer in
the fridge, and snow blower and generator standing by if needed.  Light
snow has been falling all day.

On the way home I was reminded again how good W123s can be in foul
weather... my ugly Cooper UltraNoise snow tires did a great job of
navigating the slushy mess out on I-80.  On one hand I feel bad driving it
in these bad conditions, but I did buy the car for daily driving.  And it
handles weather like this so well.

I hope all those north east of hear do ok, should be much worse than what
they're calling for here.

Jaime





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Re: [MBZ] BLIZZARD!!!! AHHH!!

[Dan Penoff]

I just got off the phone with a software vendor in southern NH. They were 
waiting to get the word to go home.

He was looking forward to the storm because he is a skier.

>From the description it sounds like MA and points both are really going to get 
>hammered.

My 1979 300TD was a great car in the snow for being RWD. I put Hakkapelitas 
(sp?) on it and it handled Wisconsin winters without incident.

Stay warm and safe. We will be - it's supposed to be close to 80F this weekend.

Dan

On Feb 8, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> We're all settled in here in NE New Jersey waiting for the heavy snow to
> start.  Fire is burning, short ribs braising on the the stove, some beer in
> the fridge, and snow blower and generator standing by if needed.  Light
> snow has been falling all day.
> 
> On the way home I was reminded again how good W123s can be in foul
> weather... my ugly Cooper UltraNoise snow tires did a great job of
> navigating the slushy mess out on I-80.  On one hand I feel bad driving it
> in these bad conditions, but I did buy the car for daily driving.  And it
> handles weather like this so well.
> 
> I hope all those north east of hear do ok, should be much worse than what
> they're calling for here.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jaime Kopchinski
> http://www.jaimekop.com/
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