Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-03 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/11/03 Fri AM 05:04:06 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles
 
 On Nov 2, 2006, at 8:15 PM, Bob W wrote:
 
  You make your own choices (or do you? isn't it compulsory in NZ?)
 
 It is compulsory in NZ, and I just happen to agree that wearing a  
 helmet is a good idea for my situation.  I may have become  
 indoctrinated by the requirement though :)
 
 The way things are going, I'm almost surprised that I'm not required  
 to wear a metre-thick layer of bubblewrap at all times.
 

But you do, if you intend going downhill.
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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/11/03 Fri AM 05:39:50 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?
 
 I don't think I'd go so far as to call it a scam. For me, it just wasn't
 my style, and the cleaning agents I mentioned do a great job, if you learn
 how to work with them properly.  ROR seems to require a more delicate
 touch, ClearSight seems to be a panacea for most any lens cleaning
 situation, and the MC2 - until I discovered ClearSight - worked best on
 some multi-coated filters.
 
 The micro-fiber and other magic cloths seem no better than a properly
 washed and dried 100% cotton T-shirt.
 
 I think the biggest scam is lens cleaning tissue.  It's relatively rough -
 almost abrasive in some ways - and has been known to contribute to
 micro-scratches on some lenses.  I ruined a ST 20mm using that Kodak lens
 tissue and cleaning fluid.
 
 Newer lenses with more advanced and harder coatings may be able to endure
 more turns at being cleaned with lens tissue, but with  products like
 ClearSight and others, why take a chance.
 
 One thing of note: a lot of people feel it's not necessary to clean a lens
 or a filter too often.  I've been on the set of a couple of major motion
 pictures over the years, and found it interesting to see how the filters
 and sometimes the lenses were cleaned after each set up.  OTOH, if you ever
 saw Nachtwey shoot, in awful circumstances, you might notice that he
 sometimes doesn't even use a lens hood.  One motorsport photog I met had
 the filthiest filter on his lens that I'd ever seen (I'd have just thrown
 it away!), yet he was selling his photos.  
 
 So, IMHO, it seems that there's a lot of leeway when it comes to techniques
 and materials.  ClearSight and the properly laundered and dried 100%
 cottonT-shirt do it for me.
 
 Shel

Hmmm.  You talked about properly cleaning t-shirts twice.  Care to elucidate?

(Bet they don't get anything as esoteric as this on other photography 
lists.)

 
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: Paul Stenquist 
 
  I agree. I think the lens pen is a scam. It does absorb some oil, but  
  I think it could damage a coating as well. It might also fill some  
  scratches, which might make the lens look better, but it won't work  
  better.
  I use a solvent, which is probably similar to that on the site Shel  
  referenced. It's called Delta 1 OFR Oil Film Remover, and it's  
  formulated to cut oil, which is the major problem on lens surfaces.  
  And I use it with a microfiber cloth. It does a superb job, and it's  
  available at good camera stores. You'll also find it here: http:// 
  cinemasupplies.stores.yahoo.net/de1ofrlecl20.html
 
 
 
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Re: Oh how times have changed

2006-11-03 Thread Paul Stenquist
The first digital imaging I did was with a Computer Eyes card in an  
Apple IIGS with 256K RAM and 1 megahertz clock speed. It captured  
single frames using a video camera.
Paul
On Nov 2, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


 On Nov 2, 2006, at 6:10 PM, J and K Messervy wrote:

 I borrowed The Medium Format Advantage by Enrst Wildi from the  
 local
 library the other day and it is very informative.  The book was
 published in
 1995.  I've just reached the chapter on  Digital Imaging and Medium
 Format
 and it is almost quaint.

 I quote:

 Image processing programs run faster when there is a large amount
 of RAM
 available.  Plan on at least 16 MB of RAM.  If you want to do
 commercial
 work, plan on more.  Just as you will need plenty of RAM when
 processing
 your images, you will need a large-capacity hard disk for storing  
 your
 images.  At lease 300 MB is a good starting place.

 Ah, the good old days. Back when I started doing digital imaging, a
 10Mbyte hard drive and 512K RAM was such a huge amount of computing
 space for a home computer it was almost inconceivable that I could
 own it for under $4000!

 (The system I did digital imaging work on for NASA cost over $28
 Million and required a 20x30', power and air conditioned room to
 house it in.)

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Re: Waiting For Pentax Products

2006-11-03 Thread Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail)
Mort de rire!


(The French for LOL, litterally laughing to death)
Patrice

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Odd Printing Problem

2006-11-03 Thread Paul Stenquist
I'm experiencing a strange problem with  my Epson 2200. On images 
larger than 15 inches wide, it prints the first inch under a 
rust-colored stain that looks like overspray. On smaller images it 
doesn't do that. I tried reinstalling new drivers and I changed the 
yellow ink cartradge -- all to no avail. Does anyone have an idea of 
what might be causing this?
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My first digital pic (Was: Oh how times have changed)

2006-11-03 Thread Paul Stenquist
Here's one of the computer eyes pics I made with my apple II in the mid 
1980s. Ingrid, the little girl on the right is now a 23 year old writer 
living in New York. Heidi, the girl on the left. is a 30 year old art 
director in Chicago. They had to sit very still for these to get good 
results. The big Sharp VHS video camera was connected to a card in the 
computer slot.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5155730

On Nov 3, 2006, at 5:30 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 The first digital imaging I did was with a Computer Eyes card in an
 Apple IIGS with 256K RAM and 1 megahertz clock speed. It captured
 single frames using a video camera.
 Paul
 On Nov 2, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


 On Nov 2, 2006, at 6:10 PM, J and K Messervy wrote:

 I borrowed The Medium Format Advantage by Enrst Wildi from the
 local
 library the other day and it is very informative.  The book was
 published in
 1995.  I've just reached the chapter on  Digital Imaging and Medium
 Format
 and it is almost quaint.

 I quote:

 Image processing programs run faster when there is a large amount
 of RAM
 available.  Plan on at least 16 MB of RAM.  If you want to do
 commercial
 work, plan on more.  Just as you will need plenty of RAM when
 processing
 your images, you will need a large-capacity hard disk for storing
 your
 images.  At lease 300 MB is a good starting place.

 Ah, the good old days. Back when I started doing digital imaging, a
 10Mbyte hard drive and 512K RAM was such a huge amount of computing
 space for a home computer it was almost inconceivable that I could
 own it for under $4000!

 (The system I did digital imaging work on for NASA cost over $28
 Million and required a 20x30', power and air conditioned room to
 house it in.)

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FS: Pentax-brand AUTO extension tubes.

2006-11-03 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl
They're not A but they do have aperture coupling.
Excellent condition.
$60 + shipping.
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Re: My first digital pic (Was: Oh how times have changed)

2006-11-03 Thread J and K Messervy
Are you sure that isn't a K10D high ISO sample?


;-)


- Original Message - 
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 10:29 PM
Subject: My first digital pic (Was: Oh how times have changed)


 Here's one of the computer eyes pics I made with my apple II in the mid 
 1980s. Ingrid, the little girl on the right is now a 23 year old writer 
 living in New York. Heidi, the girl on the left. is a 30 year old art 
 director in Chicago. They had to sit very still for these to get good 
 results. The big Sharp VHS video camera was connected to a card in the 
 computer slot.
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5155730
 
 On Nov 3, 2006, at 5:30 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
 The first digital imaging I did was with a Computer Eyes card in an
 Apple IIGS with 256K RAM and 1 megahertz clock speed. It captured
 single frames using a video camera.
 Paul
 On Nov 2, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


 On Nov 2, 2006, at 6:10 PM, J and K Messervy wrote:

 I borrowed The Medium Format Advantage by Enrst Wildi from the
 local
 library the other day and it is very informative.  The book was
 published in
 1995.  I've just reached the chapter on  Digital Imaging and Medium
 Format
 and it is almost quaint.

 I quote:

 Image processing programs run faster when there is a large amount
 of RAM
 available.  Plan on at least 16 MB of RAM.  If you want to do
 commercial
 work, plan on more.  Just as you will need plenty of RAM when
 processing
 your images, you will need a large-capacity hard disk for storing
 your
 images.  At lease 300 MB is a good starting place.

 Ah, the good old days. Back when I started doing digital imaging, a
 10Mbyte hard drive and 512K RAM was such a huge amount of computing
 space for a home computer it was almost inconceivable that I could
 own it for under $4000!

 (The system I did digital imaging work on for NASA cost over $28
 Million and required a 20x30', power and air conditioned room to
 house it in.)

 Godfrey


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Re: Waiting For Pentax Products

2006-11-03 Thread Christian
MdR ? :-)

Christian

Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail) wrote:
 Mort de rire!
 
 
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Re: FS: Pentax-brand AUTO extension tubes.

2006-11-03 Thread Jack Davis
Collin,
Just sold a pristine set of Pentax AE tubes, also without A
capability. I'd had them for 'prox 25 years.
I entered a minimum of $30. Winning bid, $37+ $8 SH. 
This FYI only.

Jack 

--- Collin R Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 They're not A but they do have aperture coupling.
 Excellent condition.
 $60 + shipping.
 PayPal.
 
 
 
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Re: 1929 Shirt Hanger

2006-11-03 Thread Jack Davis
I'll put up a BW a little later today, Ann. 
Thanks for thoughts.

Jack

--- ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Talk about being hung out to dry
 
 Fun shot - I think I'd like it better in BW for this one tho
 did you try that?
 
 ann
 
 Jack Davis wrote:
 
  Spotted during another Sierra foot hill drive awhile back. Would
 have
  been sooner, but I decided to send the roll of Provia 100F to Kodak
 in
  a pre-paid mailer. (first time ever). Sent it 9/22 and it came back
  today, 11/2 (same year). No e-6 labs in my area and Kodak
  pick-up/return time at the local Walgreens is 'prox two weeks. Not
 bad,
  as it turns out.
  One of those different scenes that, for some reason, I wanted a
  picture of. There were no signs in the area explaining what was
  happening. Ties and other articles of clothing strewn about the
 truck
  bed.
  I have to confess, I'm guessing at the year model. Wish I'd looked
 at
  the plate.
  Scanned on same cheap-O flatbed.
 
  Comment, of course.
 
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Re: Do I detect a slight bit of...

2006-11-03 Thread Adam Maas
Tom C wrote:
 Medium format film renaissance occuring of late? :)
 
 Tom C.
 

It seems to be happening. I know several digital shooters who are going 
MF, the big negs and low gear cost are proving attractive.

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Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-03 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: David Mann
Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles



 Nothing can guarantee protection against a really serious head
 injury.  The impact is just too large, and even the best helmets can
 only absorb so much of it.

Helmets are a compromise solution to head protection.
They can offer exceedingly good protection, but at the expense of 
weight.
A heavier helmet is more likely to cause soft tissue injuries (whiplash) 
to the neck.

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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?


I don't think I'd go so far as to call it a scam. For me, it just 
wasn't
 my style, and the cleaning agents I mentioned do a great job, if you 
 learn
 how to work with them properly.  ROR seems to require a more delicate
 touch, ClearSight seems to be a panacea for most any lens cleaning
 situation, and the MC2 - until I discovered ClearSight - worked best 
 on
 some multi-coated filters.


The first lens cleaner I bought that wasn't Kodak was a bottle of PEC12.
After determining from the smell that it was a very expensive bottle of 
acetone, I started buying lens cleaner from the local hardware store.

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Re: Do I detect a slight bit of...

2006-11-03 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Tom C 
Subject: Do I detect a slight bit of...


 Medium format film renaissance occuring of late? :)
 

I may have to set up another darkroom after all.

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Re: November PUG comments

2006-11-03 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda
Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  VIlla Maiuri - Interior   by  Gianfranco Irlanda
  Giancarlo fulfilling expectations, as he uses to. The direct
sunlight entering through the left-window makes me close my eyes
as if I was there!! Since I am trying to note some negative
points...well...my eyes keep going from left to right, there is
no clear path for them...not sure if this is negative though.

Hi Jaume,

Thanks a lot for the kind words!
About the composition, well... I was trying to let the viewer be
able to understand the way the corridors and the rooms met each
other, I'm not completely sure if this shot is the best wrt
this.

Ciao,

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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread Cotty
With my SMC lenses I use a lit cigarette.

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2006-11-03 Thread gray_wolf

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Re: My first digital pic (Was: Oh how times have changed)

2006-11-03 Thread David Savage
LOL

Dave

On 11/3/06, J and K Messervy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are you sure that isn't a K10D high ISO sample?


 ;-)


 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 10:29 PM
 Subject: My first digital pic (Was: Oh how times have changed)


  Here's one of the computer eyes pics I made with my apple II in the mid
  1980s. Ingrid, the little girl on the right is now a 23 year old writer
  living in New York. Heidi, the girl on the left. is a 30 year old art
  director in Chicago. They had to sit very still for these to get good
  results. The big Sharp VHS video camera was connected to a card in the
  computer slot.
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5155730

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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread graywolf
I will stick to EverClear. especially since I discovered you can buy a 
one-ounce bottle at the liquor store for a buck and a half. And I will 
never be without a drink either if I have it in my camera bag. grin


Paul Stenquist wrote:

 I use a solvent, which is probably similar to that on the site Shel  
 referenced. It's called Delta 1 OFR Oil Film Remover, and it's  
 formulated to cut oil, which is the major problem on lens surfaces.  
 And I use it with a microfiber cloth. It does a superb job, and it's  
 available at good camera stores. You'll also find it here: http:// 
 cinemasupplies.stores.yahoo.net/de1ofrlecl20.html
 On Nov 2, 2006, at 9:06 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

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PESO: November Moon

2006-11-03 Thread Jack Davis
A couple of details. Shot about 20 frames of the moon with A*300 f/2.8,
1.4L T/C and 85B filter. (from my back patio)
Rewound the 20 frames in the LX (great feature), removed the 1.4L T/C
and, next day, headed for a local State Wildlife Refuge. Taken at about
noon.
Underexposed geese by 3 stops (2 by - exposure comp. and one by
shooting 100 ISO Provia at ISO 200). Left the 85B in place.
This small jpg produces some nodes (?) on the edge of the moon.
Something I haven't see before. They do disappear with zoom in.
Would liked to have had the full frame width, but the moon was too near
the center, thus the 8x10 crop.
Enlarged moon double exposure is, perhaps, the ultimate cliche in
photography, but, it seems, I have no shame.

Jack

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Re: Oh how times have changed

2006-11-03 Thread Gonz
We had rooms full of image processing equipment at the Digital Signal 
Processing lab at MIT.  Prof. Troxel was a cool guy and loved gadgets. 
We frequently build large custom boards to do simple stuff like the 
equivalent of the levels feature in photoshop.  One of the guys there 
got his PHD in EE, his specialty was Charge Coupled Devices (CCD's as we 
now know them), a relative novelty at the time.  He and I started a 
consulting company to solve problems with CCD subsystems.

My first digital image was an IR image from a top secret (at the time) 
camera.  Its IR was quite sensitive but they were having problems with 
distortions from the mirror assembly which they wanted us to solve. They 
paid us alot of money to solve the problem in two weeks, I guess they 
were under a huge time pressure to get this to their customer, which we 
guessed was the DOD due to the high clearance we had to get.

When we solved the problem, I took a picture of myself to test the 
sensitivity of the camera. I was told that it would detect the residual 
heat from my hand after I had placed and removed it from my chest. Well, 
I did that and was amazed.  Not only could I see a ghostly image of my 
hand, but I could see through my shirt and many of my larger 
arteries/veins were visible.  My face looked like the face of an alien 
with my veins, bone structure and what looked like fatty deposits or 
something visible.  I am going to try to dig that pic up and post it here.

rg


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The first digital imaging I did was with a Computer Eyes card in an  
 Apple IIGS with 256K RAM and 1 megahertz clock speed. It captured  
 single frames using a video camera.
 Paul
 On Nov 2, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
 
On Nov 2, 2006, at 6:10 PM, J and K Messervy wrote:


I borrowed The Medium Format Advantage by Enrst Wildi from the  
local
library the other day and it is very informative.  The book was
published in
1995.  I've just reached the chapter on  Digital Imaging and Medium
Format
and it is almost quaint.

I quote:

Image processing programs run faster when there is a large amount
of RAM
available.  Plan on at least 16 MB of RAM.  If you want to do
commercial
work, plan on more.  Just as you will need plenty of RAM when
processing
your images, you will need a large-capacity hard disk for storing  
your
images.  At lease 300 MB is a good starting place.

Ah, the good old days. Back when I started doing digital imaging, a
10Mbyte hard drive and 512K RAM was such a huge amount of computing
space for a home computer it was almost inconceivable that I could
own it for under $4000!

(The system I did digital imaging work on for NASA cost over $28
Million and required a 20x30', power and air conditioned room to
house it in.)

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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread K.Takeshita
 Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
 I use a solvent, which is probably similar to that on the site Shel
 referenced. It's called Delta 1 OFR Oil Film Remover, and it's
 formulated to cut oil, which is the major problem on lens surfaces.
 And I use it with a microfiber cloth. It does a superb job, and it's
 available at good camera stores. You'll also find it here: http://
 cinemasupplies.stores.yahoo.net/de1ofrlecl20.html
 On Nov 2, 2006, at 9:06 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

I experimented several solutions, including immersing a filter in a soapy
lukewarm water, then rinsing it thoroughly.  I am sure the dirt was removed
from the glass surface but I still saw some streak etc.  Perhaps the wipe
cloth (and one of those Kodak papers) I used was not suitable.
Then I discovered a micro-fiber cloth sold under Pentax brand and it worked
very well.  Just wipe dry and the glass is clean.  I also use this for my
glasses (I wear it on and off because of weak myopia, and keep touching the
glass every time I pull it out) and the same effect, very clear glasses with
no mark/streak.  Or maybe I am too lazy to mess with any sort of solutions
;-).
Since then, I never used any sort of liquid (perhaps I should use it when
the surface is extra oily/greasy).  I am not a micro-fiber cloth salesman
and your mileage may vary of course.

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Re: Oh how times have changed

2006-11-03 Thread Gonz
We had rooms full of image processing equipment at the Digital Signal 
Processing lab at MIT.  Prof. Troxel was a cool guy and loved gadgets. 
We frequently build large custom boards to do simple stuff like the 
equivalent of the levels feature in photoshop.  One of the guys there 
got his PHD in EE, his specialty was Charge Coupled Devices (CCD's as we 
now know them), a relative novelty at the time.  He and I started a 
consulting company to solve problems with CCD subsystems.

My first digital image was an IR image from a top secret (at the time) 
camera.  Its IR was quite sensitive but they were having problems with 
distortions from the mirror assembly which they wanted us to solve. 
They paid us alot of money to solve the problem in two weeks, I guess 
they were under a huge time pressure to get this to their customer, 
which we guessed was the DOD due to the high clearance we had to get.

When we solved the problem, I took a picture of myself to test the 
sensitivity of the camera. I was told that it would detect the residual 
heat from my hand after I had placed and removed it from my chest. 
Well, I did that and was amazed.  Not only could I see a ghostly image 
of my hand, but I could see through my shirt and many of my larger 
arteries/veins were visible.  My face looked like the face of an alien 
with my veins, bone structure and what looked like fatty deposits or 
something visible.  I am going to try to dig that pic up and post it here.

rg


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 The first digital imaging I did was with a Computer Eyes card in an  
 Apple IIGS with 256K RAM and 1 megahertz clock speed. It captured  
 single frames using a video camera.
 Paul
 On Nov 2, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
 
On Nov 2, 2006, at 6:10 PM, J and K Messervy wrote:


I borrowed The Medium Format Advantage by Enrst Wildi from the  
local
library the other day and it is very informative.  The book was
published in
1995.  I've just reached the chapter on  Digital Imaging and Medium
Format
and it is almost quaint.

I quote:

Image processing programs run faster when there is a large amount
of RAM
available.  Plan on at least 16 MB of RAM.  If you want to do
commercial
work, plan on more.  Just as you will need plenty of RAM when
processing
your images, you will need a large-capacity hard disk for storing  
your
images.  At lease 300 MB is a good starting place.

Ah, the good old days. Back when I started doing digital imaging, a
10Mbyte hard drive and 512K RAM was such a huge amount of computing
space for a home computer it was almost inconceivable that I could
own it for under $4000!

(The system I did digital imaging work on for NASA cost over $28
Million and required a 20x30', power and air conditioned room to
house it in.)

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Re: Compact point and shoots - Optio A20?

2006-11-03 Thread Margus Männik
Hi,

Yes, I did mentioned the operation speed as a poor thing. But I 
personally prefer slower, but more accurate operation in focussing etc. 
A20 offers enough accuracy. And it's not THAT slow after all :)

BR, Margus
 

Jaume Lahuerta wrote:

So, they didn't address the A10 poor (slow) performance issue?
Shouldn't be that difficult...


- Mensaje original 
De: Margus Männik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net

Hi,

I reviewed A20 for our local photo/computer magazine last month. It was 
a sort of head-to-head test versus Olympus mju: 750. Pentax wins hands 
down. 
What's about A20... it's a bit slow in operation, but image results are 
very good. Good noise, which is easily repairable with post-processing 
software ( I do use NeatImage). But if you can find Optio A10 somewhere 
on good (i.e. significally lower) price - go for A10. You will not get a 
better resolution with A20.

BR, Margus


Leon Altoff wrote:

  

Hello all,

I am currently looking at compact point and shoot digitals.  
Specifically I am looking for one that can do movie clips in macro mode 
(or even super macro mode if it has it).

It will also be used as a camera by my wife who has decided that she no 
longer wants to carry around an SLR. 

Of course I am looking at the Pentax range (as well as others), and was 
considering the Optio A20.  does anyone out there have one of these and 
can tell me if it is possible to take movies in macro mode?  Does anyone 
have any other suggestions for good compact point and shoot cameras?

All replies appreciated.

 





  



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Re: The danged final survey results, and thanks for all the fish.

2006-11-03 Thread Lon Williamson
Thine will shall be done.

Lasse Karlsson wrote:

Thanks for posting the results, Lon.

If possible, you can add my name to the aye:s.

Thanks,
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Re: Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread Mike Hamilton
On 11/3/06, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Then I discovered a micro-fiber cloth sold under Pentax brand and it worked
 very well.  Just wipe dry and the glass is clean.  I also use this for my
 glasses (I wear it on and off because of weak myopia, and keep touching the
 glass every time I pull it out) and the same effect, very clear glasses with
 no mark/streak.  Or maybe I am too lazy to mess with any sort of solutions

I also use a Pentax-branded microfiber cloth.  It's been a few years
that I've had it now, and I am finding that it does not clean as well
as it used to.

Any tips on cleaning the microfiber cloth?  It's still in good
physical condition, I just think it could use a cleaning of its own...
 Regular laundering?  Handwash in soapy water?

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Re: Test Message from my Cat

2006-11-03 Thread Lon Williamson
I was awaiting your orders, Sir.  Now loading the blunderbuss to counter the
invasion

Joseph Tainter wrote:

jw2904387 e87dc x 19893o-127e olu1e818e xmshsl201[ w2j4
n1989210
0256smsx-1036

NAKJE SY

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Let us know when they produce the works of Shakespeare.

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Re: The danged final survey results, and thanks for all the fish.

2006-11-03 Thread Lon Williamson
And there has nebber nebber ebber been a sensical Cotty.
Wink

Cotty wrote:

On 30/10/06, Lon Williamson, discombobulated, unleashed:

  

Nonsensical responses:
==
Cotty (there will be no K1D)




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Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-03 Thread frank theriault
On 11/3/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Helmets are a compromise solution to head protection.
 They can offer exceedingly good protection, but at the expense of
 weight.
 A heavier helmet is more likely to cause soft tissue injuries (whiplash)
 to the neck.


~Everything~ in life is a compromise.

Bike helmets (even budget ones) typically weigh around 8 to 12
ounces;  they are quite comfortable and well-ventilated compared to
helmets of even a few years ago.  They aren't perfect, and can't be
expected to provide failsafe protection for thirty mph faceplants into
brick walls.

However, they offer a greatly increased chance of survival and/or
minimization of brain injury in a surprisingly large number of
collisions.  I can think of at least three occasions when my head hit
the pavement with enough impact that, were I not wearing a helmet, I'd
have almost certainly suffered at least a severe concussion.  That
includes my (helmeted) forehead smacking the pavement after flying
over the front of my handlebars, another occasion where I landed on my
back and the back of my head whipped into a streetcar rail, and my
most recent collision (last October, when I broke my collarbone) where
my temple hit the ground (cracking the helmet), then my face slid
along the pavement, giving me the coolest roadrash on my cheek.  The
kids were most impressed!

My point is that for each of these incidents, me helmet did the job
that it was designed to do, and that without each of those helmets, my
injuries would have likely been severe.

So, whatever helmets can or can't do, my personal experience is that,
while there are obviously no guarantees, they are extremely effective
in preventing head injuries.

From all the above-mentioned accidents, the only injuries I suffered
above the shoulders were road rash on my face, and a sore neck for a
day or two.  I shudder to think what would have happened without a
helmet.

cheers,
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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread K.Takeshita
On 11/03/06 11:28 AM, Mike Hamilton, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I also use a Pentax-branded microfiber cloth.  It's been a few years
 that I've had it now, and I am finding that it does not clean as well
 as it used to.
 
 Any tips on cleaning the microfiber cloth?  It's still in good
 physical condition, I just think it could use a cleaning of its own...
 Regular laundering?  Handwash in soapy water?

Yes, handwash in soapy water revives it.  Over the years (4 years or so), I
washed it every 6 month or so (because I use it quite a bit for my glasses)
and still going well.

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Re: Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hamilton
Subject: Re: Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?




 Any tips on cleaning the microfiber cloth?  It's still in good
 physical condition, I just think it could use a cleaning of its own...
 Regular laundering?  Handwash in soapy water?

I wash em in warm water with a bit of dish detergent.

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ISO 800

2006-11-03 Thread Joseph Tainter
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=20723961

The photo of the watch is the first high ISO image I have seen that 
begins to be informative.

At first I found the image disappointing. Then the poster (from Korea) 
clarified that it is a 100% crop. Ah...that changes things. As a 100% 
crop it doesn't look so bad. In fact, not bad at all. Perhaps there is 
reason to hope after all.

I just want good ISO 800.

Maybe I will try a similar photo at ISO 800 with my D and see how they 
compare.

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Re: PESO: November Moon

2006-11-03 Thread Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail)

Enlarged moon double exposure is, perhaps, the ultimate cliche in
photography, but, it seems, I have no shame.


Yep, but I've seen far worse instances of it...

This is a great picture IMHO. Anyone got better results with Photoshop?

Patrice

Jack Davis a écrit :
 A couple of details. Shot about 20 frames of the moon with A*300 f/2.8,
 1.4L T/C and 85B filter. (from my back patio)
 Rewound the 20 frames in the LX (great feature), removed the 1.4L T/C
 and, next day, headed for a local State Wildlife Refuge. Taken at about
 noon.
 Underexposed geese by 3 stops (2 by - exposure comp. and one by
 shooting 100 ISO Provia at ISO 200). Left the 85B in place.
 This small jpg produces some nodes (?) on the edge of the moon.
 Something I haven't see before. They do disappear with zoom in.
 Would liked to have had the full frame width, but the moon was too near
 the center, thus the 8x10 crop.
 Enlarged moon double exposure is, perhaps, the ultimate cliche in
 photography, but, it seems, I have no shame.

 Jack

 Comments certainly appreciated.

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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Mike 

I never thought you'd ask LOL

First, allow me to preface my comment by saying that I like to do laundry
(I also like to iron), and have taken the time to learn the best way to
wash certain fabrics, remove stains, and, likewise, use the clothes dryer. 
It's amazing what one can learn by reading the instruction manuals and
doing some outside reading.

That said, it's important not to over soap the wash load in which the lens
cleaning T-shirt is laundered.  All too often more detergent is used than
is necessary.  But, regardless of the amount used, proper and thoroughly
rinsing is important, so as much detergent residue is removed from the
fabric.  Also, don't wash the T-shirt and use fabric softener.  To keep
things simple, fabric softener also leaves a residue on the cloth.

I'm lucky in that my washing machine has provision for an extra rinse, so I
don't have to be too concerned about getting a good rinse.  I always use an
extra rinse.  And, because of the design of the machine @ Casa Belinkoff,
there's no need to use much detergent at all, especially when doing a load
of T-shirts.  They don't get that dirty to begin with.  It's not like
you're washing a few pair of kid's jeans, gardening clothes, or mechanic's
overalls.  You might be surprised at how little detergent is needed,
especially with some of the newer machines.

The next step is proper drying.  Over drying makes the fabric a little
stiff and scratchy.  The dryer at Casa Belinkoff has a dryness selector
and, over the years, I've been able to find a setting for cotton shirts
that affords a nice, fluffy, dry shirt without over drying.  Again, none of
those fabric softener sheets in the dryer.  

When the shirts are properly dried, they are folded and put in the T-shirt
drawer almost immediately after removal from the dryer.  In my house that's
mostly because the cats love to curl up on the freshly laundered shirts
LOL, not because I'm especially compulsive about putting things away.

You don't want to use a T-shirt that's too old, one in which the fabric has
lost all the softness and fluffiness of a newer shirt.  The beauty of a
good, 100% cotton shirt is that it can retain its softness for a long time
if cared for properly.

I hope this helps.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: mike wilson 

  So, IMHO, it seems that there's a lot of leeway when it comes to
techniques
  and materials.  ClearSight and the properly laundered and dried 100%
  cottonT-shirt do it for me.
  
  Shel

 Hmmm.  You talked about properly cleaning t-shirts twice.  Care to
elucidate?

 (Bet they don't get anything as esoteric as this on other photography
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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread K.Takeshita
On 11/03/06 11:44 AM, William Robb, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wash em in warm water with a bit of dish detergent.

Oh, maybe that's the better way.  I did not think of it.  Thanks,

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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Nov 3, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Mike Hamilton wrote:

 I also use a Pentax-branded microfiber cloth.  It's been a few years
 that I've had it now, and I am finding that it does not clean as well
 as it used to.

 Any tips on cleaning the microfiber cloth?  It's still in good
 physical condition, I just think it could use a cleaning of its own...
  Regular laundering?  Handwash in soapy water?

Handwash in soapy water.

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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: K.Takeshita
Subject: Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?


 On 11/03/06 11:44 AM, William Robb, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wash em in warm water with a bit of dish detergent.

 Oh, maybe that's the better way.  I did not think of it.  Thanks,

It's one of those things I don't give much thought to.
I've found over the years that I worked as a pro photographer that good 
equipment is a heck of a lot tougher than many people think.

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Re: ISO 800

2006-11-03 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Joseph Tainter
Subject: ISO 800


 http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=20723961

 The photo of the watch is the first high ISO image I have seen that
 begins to be informative.

I just did a QD Neat Image noise reduction to that file.
It's almost a half meg on my website.
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/denoised_iso%20800.jpg

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AW: PESO - Another Day

2006-11-03 Thread Markus Maurer
Great as the landscape shown before. You live in a wonderful place too.
greetings
Markus


-Ursprungliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von
Tom C
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. November 2006 20:34
An: pdml@pdml.net
Betreff: PESO - Another Day


Weather conditions today were very much like yesterday.  I was going to call
this Mountain View Morning Day 2.  Instead it's just Another Day.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5153154size=lg

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Re: Compact point and shoots - Optio A20?

2006-11-03 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Jaume,

I'm curious - we have an A10 (my wife's) and have had many other
PS digitals from several manufacturers.  When compared with an SLR -
they are all poor performance.  Can you specifically tell me what
bothers you about the A10 vs many other compacts?

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Thursday, November 2, 2006, 1:44:19 PM, you wrote:

JL So, they didn't address the A10 poor (slow) performance issue?
JL Shouldn't be that difficult...


JL - Mensaje original 
JL De: Margus Männik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JL Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net

JL Hi,

JL I reviewed A20 for our local photo/computer magazine last month. It was
JL a sort of head-to-head test versus Olympus mju: 750. Pentax wins hands
JL down. 
JL What's about A20... it's a bit slow in operation, but image results are
JL very good. Good noise, which is easily repairable with post-processing
JL software ( I do use NeatImage). But if you can find Optio A10 somewhere
JL on good (i.e. significally lower) price - go for A10. You will not get a
JL better resolution with A20.

JL BR, Margus


JL Leon Altoff wrote:

Hello all,

I am currently looking at compact point and shoot digitals.  
Specifically I am looking for one that can do movie clips in macro mode
(or even super macro mode if it has it).

It will also be used as a camera by my wife who has decided that she no
longer wants to carry around an SLR. 

Of course I am looking at the Pentax range (as well as others), and was
considering the Optio A20.  does anyone out there have one of these and
can tell me if it is possible to take movies in macro mode?  Does anyone
have any other suggestions for good compact point and shoot cameras?

All replies appreciated.

  



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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread K.Takeshita
On 11/03/06 12:23 PM, Shel Belinkoff, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 First, allow me to preface my comment by saying that I like to do laundry
 (I also like to iron), and have taken the time to learn the best way to
 wash certain fabrics, remove stains, and, likewise, use the clothes dryer.
 It's amazing what one can learn by reading the instruction manuals and
 doing some outside reading.
 
Thanks Shel,

Like I said before, PDML is one of the best sources for non-photographic
knowledge :-).  I learned a lot from the list including how to shout, using
bad words, like you moxxxer don't know a sxxt! etc.

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Re: My first digital pic (Was: Oh how times have changed)

2006-11-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Nov 3, 2006, at 3:29 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 Here's one of the computer eyes pics I made with my apple II in the  
 mid
 1980s. Ingrid, the little girl on the right is now a 23 year old  
 writer
 living in New York. Heidi, the girl on the left. is a 30 year old art
 director in Chicago. They had to sit very still for these to get good
 results. The big Sharp VHS video camera was connected to a card in the
 computer slot.
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5155730

Very fun stuff. You might be amused with this:

   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/oldpix/

Godfrey

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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 12:23:18PM -0500, K.Takeshita wrote:
 On 11/03/06 11:44 AM, William Robb, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I wash em in warm water with a bit of dish detergent.
 
 Oh, maybe that's the better way.  I did not think of it.  Thanks,

My father (an industrial chemist) recommended that approach.
Dish detergent is cheaper, and in those days used to be unpolluted
with perfumes (although that has changed over the years).


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AW: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi JCO
I found a Super Takumar 105mm 2.8 M42 lens two days ago lying unprotected in
the dust of a second hand store and paid less than $20 for a package with
some hoods and filters from b+w and nikon and others in good condition plus
a flash and a metz adapter. The Takumar has to be cleaned outside too and
can not see any scratches on the coating despite the disrespectful handling
in the store.
Sometimes a visit to a flea market is good for bargain hunting too here, I
got the Tamron 90mm Manual macro 2.5 I already own for $20 in good condition
at my last visit in Zurich...

Will you use these SX lenses on a Mamyia or on a Pentax body?


greetings
Markus



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Betreff: RE: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?


I forgot to mention, the reason I brought this up
is I just got an essentially NOS Auto Mamiya/Sekor SX
105mm F2.8 (M42) lens and had a hell of time getting the
surfaces really clean. Chaulk this one up as in the difficult
to clean coatings category. Awesome little lens BTW. Haven't
had the time to get out and try it and now the weather
has gone rainy for three days

I know the build quality isnt up to Pentax Takumar
standards, but these Mamiya SX lenses are great performers
and very inexpensive on ebay usually ( not in this case,
as its a rare focal length and the bidding got up there ).
The only caveat is they dont have manual mode switches so
you cant use them on K bodies unless you are willing to do
something like superglue the aperture actuator pin in place
and make them pure manual aperture lenses forever. (ouch!)
JCO


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Re: FS Friday: several items

2006-11-03 Thread Amita Guha
On 11/3/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It seems that all that you offered for sale previously already went ;-).

 Boris

Yeah, I wish. :) The rest of the stuff is going on ebay on Sunday. :)

Amita

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Re: Odd Printing Problem

2006-11-03 Thread Kenneth Waller
Is the paper being used a constant for both large  small images?

Kenneth Waller

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Subject: Odd Printing Problem


 I'm experiencing a strange problem with  my Epson 2200. On images 
 larger than 15 inches wide, it prints the first inch under a 
 rust-colored stain that looks like overspray. On smaller images it 
 doesn't do that. I tried reinstalling new drivers and I changed the 
 yellow ink cartradge -- all to no avail. Does anyone have an idea of 
 what might be causing this?
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Re: Odd Printing Problem

2006-11-03 Thread pnstenquist
Yes, it's Epson Premium Luster. It seems something is causing one of the ink 
nozzles to spray randomly for the first inch or so. I think I'm going to try 
replacing the magenta and light magenta cartridges as well. But it appears to 
be yellow.
Paul
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From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Is the paper being used a constant for both large  small images?
 
 Kenneth Waller
 
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 Subject: Odd Printing Problem
 
 
  I'm experiencing a strange problem with  my Epson 2200. On images 
  larger than 15 inches wide, it prints the first inch under a 
  rust-colored stain that looks like overspray. On smaller images it 
  doesn't do that. I tried reinstalling new drivers and I changed the 
  yellow ink cartradge -- all to no avail. Does anyone have an idea of 
  what might be causing this?
  Paul
  
  
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Re: PAW 2006 - 31 - GDG

2006-11-03 Thread frank theriault
On 10/30/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was in Gloucester for a total of two days. The full day in the
 middle of two partial days, it rained on and off all day only
 breaking to clear weather just before dusk. Naturally, I picked up
 the camera and went for a walk ... down to the quays and the setting
 sun on the river Severn. The sun just disappeared at some point or
 another but I kept shooting, sans tripod, racking the ISO up to 1600
 and fitting the 35mm f/2 lens to catch as much light as I could.

 I liked these buildings, old warehouse building converted to flats I
 think, and the double silhouette of the sailboats:

http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/31.htm

 Comments, critique, flames always welcome.


Gorgeous!!

cheers,
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Re: PESO - Overcast Afternoon View

2006-11-03 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

 I just moved.  What a hassle.  There are still some things at the old house
 that have to get over to the new place.  However, this afternoon, for the
 first time in a while, I felt like picking up the ol' istDS and grabbing a
 couple of snaps.  So, for anyone interested, this is a partial view from
 the living room window.  That's the Golden Gate Bridge in the background. 
 The island in the middle distance is Angel Island, now a great park and a
 wonderful place to hike and explore, and, in the past, the island was a
 processing point for immigrants, much like Ellis Island was in NYC.  The
 smaller, closer island, is Goat Island.
 
 http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/view.html
 
 Tech details lost in the fog ...

I thoroughly realize that having been in San Francisco *before* I joined 
the PDML was seriously unfortunate for me and my wife ;-).

Cheers!

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Re: PESO - Mountain View Morning

2006-11-03 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

 The view this morning right before leaving for work.  Valley mist rising 
 about 1/2 hour after the sun broke the horizon.
 
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5149796size=lg

Tom, as usual excellent photograph from you... Did you ever own a large 
format camera???

Borosi

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Re: PESO - Another Day

2006-11-03 Thread Boris Liberman
Ditto!

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 Keep 'em coming, Tom. Lovely, lovely work.
 
 Godfrey
 
 On Nov 2, 2006, at 11:34 AM, Tom C wrote:
 
 Weather conditions today were very much like yesterday.  I was  
 going to call
 this Mountain View Morning Day 2.  Instead it's just Another Day.

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5153154size=lg

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Re: PESO - Mountain View Morning

2006-11-03 Thread Tom C
Thanks Boris.

No I have never owned a large format camera.  The 67 is as big as it gets. I 
do wish I would get it out more.

Tom C.



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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 21:50:50 +0200

Hi!

  The view this morning right before leaving for work.  Valley mist rising
  about 1/2 hour after the sun broke the horizon.
 
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5149796size=lg

Tom, as usual excellent photograph from you... Did you ever own a large
format camera???

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RE: PESO - Mountain View Morning

2006-11-03 Thread Jens Bladt
Awesom, Tom - extremely beautiful, Well done.
Regrads 
Jens

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The view this morning right before leaving for work.  Valley mist rising 
about 1/2 hour after the sun broke the horizon.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5149796size=lg


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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/11/03 Fri PM 04:28:49 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?
 
 On 11/3/06, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Then I discovered a micro-fiber cloth sold under Pentax brand and it worked
  very well.  Just wipe dry and the glass is clean.  I also use this for my
  glasses (I wear it on and off because of weak myopia, and keep touching the
  glass every time I pull it out) and the same effect, very clear glasses with
  no mark/streak.  Or maybe I am too lazy to mess with any sort of solutions
 
 I also use a Pentax-branded microfiber cloth.  It's been a few years
 that I've had it now, and I am finding that it does not clean as well
 as it used to.
 
 Any tips on cleaning the microfiber cloth?  It's still in good
 physical condition, I just think it could use a cleaning of its own...
  Regular laundering?  Handwash in soapy water?
 
 Mike


Handwash in soapy water? That's what I do.  Severe rinsing after.  It 
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RE: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread J. C. O'Connell
I have used both the super taks and SMC taks (105mm F2.8)
for years and they are really good and I still have
my SMC version. I bought this mamiya SX lens because
I am collecting the series and have found the series
to be outstanding optically ( a little lacking in
mechanical refinement though ). I only use Pentax
M42 bodies ( SP,SL )for M42 lenses with the rare exception
I use a Chinon CM-3 M42 body on occasion only because
its got a motordrive with it. Another recent M/S SX lens I
got with superb optics AND mechanics is the 90-230mm F4.5 SX
with the tripod mount (early version). That one is
unbelivably good and handles real nice. Only cost
me $35 on ebay.
jco

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Hi JCO
I found a Super Takumar 105mm 2.8 M42 lens two days ago lying
unprotected in the dust of a second hand store and paid less than $20
for a package with some hoods and filters from b+w and nikon and others
in good condition plus a flash and a metz adapter. The Takumar has to be
cleaned outside too and can not see any scratches on the coating despite
the disrespectful handling in the store. Sometimes a visit to a flea
market is good for bargain hunting too here, I got the Tamron 90mm
Manual macro 2.5 I already own for $20 in good condition at my last
visit in Zurich...

Will you use these SX lenses on a Mamyia or on a Pentax body?


greetings
Markus



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I forgot to mention, the reason I brought this up
is I just got an essentially NOS Auto Mamiya/Sekor SX
105mm F2.8 (M42) lens and had a hell of time getting the surfaces really
clean. Chaulk this one up as in the difficult to clean coatings
category. Awesome little lens BTW. Haven't had the time to get out and
try it and now the weather has gone rainy for three days

I know the build quality isnt up to Pentax Takumar
standards, but these Mamiya SX lenses are great performers
and very inexpensive on ebay usually ( not in this case,
as its a rare focal length and the bidding got up there ).
The only caveat is they dont have manual mode switches so
you cant use them on K bodies unless you are willing to do something
like superglue the aperture actuator pin in place and make them pure
manual aperture lenses forever. (ouch!) JCO


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Re: GESO: Halloween flash fun

2006-11-03 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

 Last night I went to Castro street for halloween. I shot these with
 the istD, 16-45/4, and a flash held on my hand, attached via a cable
 to the pc connector.
 
 30 pictures out of about 150 taken:
 
 http://flickr.com/photos/jbuhler/sets/72157594356154679/
 
 I'll probably extract some BW ones from there, but this is a quick
 color edit done in Lightroom.
 
 Comments, good and bad, welcome.

Juan, I am sorry, but I don't feel the usual involvement when I look at 
your pictures. I think, and pretty sure of that, that this has to do 
with my cultural background. I suppose that if I ever get to witness 
Halloween celebrations myself, then I might be able to understand better 
these photos.

They are very good as they are, but without proper understanding of what 
is going on, it is rather difficult to really comprehend them.

Boris

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Re: Odd Printing Problem

2006-11-03 Thread Kenneth Waller
I would try running a nozzle pattern check.

Kenneth Waller

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Subject: Re: Odd Printing Problem


 Yes, it's Epson Premium Luster. It seems something is causing one of the 
 ink nozzles to spray randomly for the first inch or so. I think I'm going 
 to try replacing the magenta and light magenta cartridges as well. But it 
 appears to be yellow.
 Paul
 -- Original message --
 From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Is the paper being used a constant for both large  small images?

 Kenneth Waller

 - Original Message - 
 From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Odd Printing Problem


  I'm experiencing a strange problem with  my Epson 2200. On images
  larger than 15 inches wide, it prints the first inch under a
  rust-colored stain that looks like overspray. On smaller images it
  doesn't do that. I tried reinstalling new drivers and I changed the
  yellow ink cartradge -- all to no avail. Does anyone have an idea of
  what might be causing this?
  Paul
 
 
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Re: PESO - Mountain View Morning

2006-11-03 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

 Thanks Boris.
 
 No I have never owned a large format camera.  The 67 is as big as it gets. I 
 do wish I would get it out more.

Well, naturally I cannot say something like Tom, but you really should 
get a format camera... Instead, I'd suggest you took more of these 
beautiful pictures with your 67 gear. After all, I might ask you to make 
a print for me ;-).

Boris

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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread Tom C
It always helps not to use your microfiber cloth as a hankerchief.



Tom C.



From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 20:09:00 +


 
  From: Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 2006/11/03 Fri PM 04:28:49 GMT
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
  Subject: Re: Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?
 
  On 11/3/06, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Then I discovered a micro-fiber cloth sold under Pentax brand and it 
worked
   very well.  Just wipe dry and the glass is clean.  I also use this for 
my
   glasses (I wear it on and off because of weak myopia, and keep 
touching the
   glass every time I pull it out) and the same effect, very clear 
glasses with
   no mark/streak.  Or maybe I am too lazy to mess with any sort of 
solutions
 
  I also use a Pentax-branded microfiber cloth.  It's been a few years
  that I've had it now, and I am finding that it does not clean as well
  as it used to.
 
  Any tips on cleaning the microfiber cloth?  It's still in good
  physical condition, I just think it could use a cleaning of its own...
   Regular laundering?  Handwash in soapy water?
 
  Mike
 

Handwash in soapy water? That's what I do.  Severe rinsing after.  It 
definitely works better, afterwards.


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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread mike wilson
8-)  Apart from hating housework with a passion, your methodology is almost 
idential to mine.  I do prefer clothes dried outside in the wind, though.  
Stuff put through the drier gets done at minimum temp and time.  Mainly because 
it knackers the elastic in my knickers, otherwise.

 
 From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/11/03 Fri PM 05:23:08 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?
 
 Hi Mike 
 
 I never thought you'd ask LOL
 
 First, allow me to preface my comment by saying that I like to do laundry
 (I also like to iron), and have taken the time to learn the best way to
 wash certain fabrics, remove stains, and, likewise, use the clothes dryer. 
 It's amazing what one can learn by reading the instruction manuals and
 doing some outside reading.
 
 That said, it's important not to over soap the wash load in which the lens
 cleaning T-shirt is laundered.  All too often more detergent is used than
 is necessary.  But, regardless of the amount used, proper and thoroughly
 rinsing is important, so as much detergent residue is removed from the
 fabric.  Also, don't wash the T-shirt and use fabric softener.  To keep
 things simple, fabric softener also leaves a residue on the cloth.
 
 I'm lucky in that my washing machine has provision for an extra rinse, so I
 don't have to be too concerned about getting a good rinse.  I always use an
 extra rinse.  And, because of the design of the machine @ Casa Belinkoff,
 there's no need to use much detergent at all, especially when doing a load
 of T-shirts.  They don't get that dirty to begin with.  It's not like
 you're washing a few pair of kid's jeans, gardening clothes, or mechanic's
 overalls.  You might be surprised at how little detergent is needed,
 especially with some of the newer machines.
 
 The next step is proper drying.  Over drying makes the fabric a little
 stiff and scratchy.  The dryer at Casa Belinkoff has a dryness selector
 and, over the years, I've been able to find a setting for cotton shirts
 that affords a nice, fluffy, dry shirt without over drying.  Again, none of
 those fabric softener sheets in the dryer.  
 
 When the shirts are properly dried, they are folded and put in the T-shirt
 drawer almost immediately after removal from the dryer.  In my house that's
 mostly because the cats love to curl up on the freshly laundered shirts
 LOL, not because I'm especially compulsive about putting things away.
 
 You don't want to use a T-shirt that's too old, one in which the fabric has
 lost all the softness and fluffiness of a newer shirt.  The beauty of a
 good, 100% cotton shirt is that it can retain its softness for a long time
 if cared for properly.
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 Shel
 
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: mike wilson 
 
   So, IMHO, it seems that there's a lot of leeway when it comes to
 techniques
   and materials.  ClearSight and the properly laundered and dried 100%
   cottonT-shirt do it for me.
   
   Shel
 
  Hmmm.  You talked about properly cleaning t-shirts twice.  Care to
 elucidate?
 
  (Bet they don't get anything as esoteric as this on other photography
 lists.)
 
 
 
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RE: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread Bob W
 First, allow me to preface my comment by saying that I like 
 to do laundry
 (I also like to iron),

send me your mailing address - I can keep you supplied with hours of
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Re: PAW 2006 - 32 - GDG

2006-11-03 Thread frank theriault
On 11/1/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Taken on a day when I was too tired to do much beyond sleep, shortly
 after arriving on the Isle of Man. But I pulled out my camera and did
 a number of hand-held still lifes.

 http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/32.htm

 Comments, critique, flames always appreciated.

Beautiful still life.

cheers,
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RE: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/11/03 Fri PM 08:28:11 GMT
 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: RE: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?
 
  First, allow me to preface my comment by saying that I like 
  to do laundry
  (I also like to iron),
 
 send me your mailing address - I can keep you supplied with hours of
 enjoyment for years!
 
 

That's Bold of you but don't press it, Bob.  Shel will be busy taking pictures 
of the Tide and Surf from his new window.  


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Re: Odd Printing Problem

2006-11-03 Thread pnstenquist
good idea. thanks
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From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I would try running a nozzle pattern check.
 
 Kenneth Waller
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Odd Printing Problem
 
 
  Yes, it's Epson Premium Luster. It seems something is causing one of the 
  ink nozzles to spray randomly for the first inch or so. I think I'm going 
  to try replacing the magenta and light magenta cartridges as well. But it 
  appears to be yellow.
  Paul
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  From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Is the paper being used a constant for both large  small images?
 
  Kenneth Waller
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Odd Printing Problem
 
 
   I'm experiencing a strange problem with  my Epson 2200. On images
   larger than 15 inches wide, it prints the first inch under a
   rust-colored stain that looks like overspray. On smaller images it
   doesn't do that. I tried reinstalling new drivers and I changed the
   yellow ink cartradge -- all to no avail. Does anyone have an idea of
   what might be causing this?
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ISO 800 Test

2006-11-03 Thread Joseph Tainter
Extremely qd:

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3346/display/7101655

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Re: Looking into getting a pentax 67II

2006-11-03 Thread Matt Johnson
Thanks for the imput, my main concerns are gone . Now I just need to
gather the cash together and find one. I was looking into probally the
100mm and either the 45mm or 55mm lenses to get started, the 540 will
be a definate purchase once I recover financially, and I guess I'll
have to finnaly break down and get a real heavy duty tripod(know of
any resonably priced ones for the student on a budget?). Any
suggestions on places to look besides the obvious ones like BH or
Ebay would be helpful.

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Re: PESO - Mountain View Morning

2006-11-03 Thread cbwaters
you suck.


But I like the picture :)

CW
Doesn't really mean the first thing, and you knew that.

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Subject: PESO - Mountain View Morning


 The view this morning right before leaving for work.  Valley mist rising
 about 1/2 hour after the sun broke the horizon.

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5149796size=lg


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Test: ISO 800 vs. 1600

2006-11-03 Thread Joseph Tainter
This time the GX10 image is at ISO 800 while the *ist D image is at 
1600. Again, very quick and dirty.

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/535671/display/7101932

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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread Christian
mike wilson wrote:
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/11/03 Fri PM 08:28:11 GMT
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net
Subject: RE: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?


First, allow me to preface my comment by saying that I like 
to do laundry
(I also like to iron),

send me your mailing address - I can keep you supplied with hours of
enjoyment for years!


 
 
 That's Bold of you but don't press it, Bob.  Shel will be busy taking 
 pictures of the Tide and Surf from his new window.  

I wish my mail server would Bounce these pun threads.

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OT: Wacom Graphire pen

2006-11-03 Thread Jens Bladt
Does anyone use a pen for photoediting in the computer, please?
Is a a wortwhile investment?
Regards 

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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Christian
Subject: Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?



 That's Bold of you but don't press it, Bob.  Shel will be busy taking 
 pictures of the Tide and Surf from his new window.

 I wish my mail server would Bounce these pun threads.

It would be better still if they never saw Sunlight.



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Re: Pentax's Tatamiya Interview Part II, #1

2006-11-03 Thread keith_w
John Forbes wrote:
 On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 22:20:38 -, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Christian
 Subject: Re: Pentax's Tatamiya Interview Part II, #1



 That an actual iris activator, or a simulated iris activator?

 Is that an iris actuator or are you just happy to see me?

 It could be simulated happiness.

 Is that better than stimulated happiness?
 
 John

Can't hold a candle to it!

keith

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Re: Wacom Graphire pen

2006-11-03 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Jens Bladt 
Subject: OT: Wacom Graphire pen


 Does anyone use a pen for photoediting in the computer, please?
 Is a a wortwhile investment?

Yes, and yes.
I wouldn't start Photoshop without one now.
I recently picked up a wide screen one and gave my old one to my wive.
It's good for playing Maj Jong and Solitare as well as editing photos.

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Re: RE: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote:

 First, allow me to preface my comment by saying that I like 
 to do laundry
 (I also like to iron),

send me your mailing address - I can keep you supplied with hours of
enjoyment for years!

Speaking of which: Perhaps next year at GFM we could get some people up 
for a bit of Extreme Ironing on one of the peaks?
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Re: PESO - Mountain View Morning

2006-11-03 Thread Tom C
Thanks Cory. :-)



Tom C.



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Subject: Re: PESO - Mountain View Morning
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:02:23 -0500

you suck.


But I like the picture :)

CW
Doesn't really mean the first thing, and you knew that.

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Subject: PESO - Mountain View Morning


  The view this morning right before leaving for work.  Valley mist rising
  about 1/2 hour after the sun broke the horizon.
 
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5149796size=lg
 
 
  Tom C.
 
 
 
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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread Tom C
Cheer s to all.



Tom C.





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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 15:38:51 -0600


- Original Message -
From: Christian
Subject: Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?



  That's Bold of you but don't press it, Bob.  Shel will be busy taking
  pictures of the Tide and Surf from his new window.
 
  I wish my mail server would Bounce these pun threads.

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Re: PESO - Mountain View Morning

2006-11-03 Thread Tom C
Thanks again Boris. I'm happy you enjoyed it!



Tom C.



From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: PESO - Mountain View Morning
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 22:26:44 +0200

Hi!

  Thanks Boris.
 
  No I have never owned a large format camera.  The 67 is as big as it 
gets. I
  do wish I would get it out more.

Well, naturally I cannot say something like Tom, but you really should
get a format camera... Instead, I'd suggest you took more of these
beautiful pictures with your 67 gear. After all, I might ask you to make
a print for me ;-).

Boris

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OT: Plactic Surgery in an Image Editor

2006-11-03 Thread Jens Bladt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p87ccWV-7UNR
Enjoy
Regards

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Re: Test: ISO 800 vs. 1600

2006-11-03 Thread K.Takeshita
On 11/03/06 4:22 PM, Joseph Tainter, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This time the GX10 image is at ISO 800 while the *ist D image is at
 1600. Again, very quick and dirty.
 
 http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/535671/display/7101932

This is an ISO 800 sample (liquour bottles)

http://form.allabout.co.jp/1/210637/1/product/210637_01.htm

I know its too small to make any sort of intelligent judgment, but it looks
OK to me.
Generally, folks in Japan who actually saw IS1000/1600 samples were
apparently delighted, good enough to make up their mind to order.

I know there is no one who can definitively speak of high sensitivity
performance of K10D with any sort of authority, except Pentax, but my
general impression is that it is at least as good as K100D, and combined
with higher resolution, the final produced image should look excellent.

I like the non-hyped, straight talking of Mr.Tatamiya.  It is very
Pentax-like talking.  His forehead is now much shinier.

I like the fact that they did not try to wrestle with noise but leave it for
users to take advantage of it.  I hate heavily noise-suppressed (in camera)
image which might appeal to real novice (and it is perhaps better that way
for that market) but it really loses the edge of outlines and render very
flat image.  Good grain of film does enhance the image quality.  Hope what
Mr.Tatamiya is preaching (film-like quality) is true.
In any case, for the particular market Pentax are targeting at with K10D,
leaving the noise without suppressing it in camera and leave it for the post
processing choice by users is a far far better approach.  K10Dis not istDL
or DigiRebel after all.
I think there was so much talk about the noise in the interview which
attracted perhaps some undue attention too.  Mr.Tatamiya appears to be
pre-empting some of those.  Watching Japanese sites and lists, high ISO
level is not of big concern now, as actual sample started showing up, albeit
slowly.

Reading through Tatamiya interview, they apparently try to keep the cost
down while keeping the acceptable quality and features.  Imagine what they
would have done if the cost restriction was more relaxed.  I wonder what
they could do on K1D :-).  If they can price it at $1500.
At least the mirror damper is in.

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Re: PAW 2006 - 32 - GDG

2006-11-03 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault wrote:

On 11/1/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Taken on a day when I was too tired to do much beyond sleep, shortly
 after arriving on the Isle of Man. But I pulled out my camera and did
 a number of hand-held still lifes.

 http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/32.htm

 Comments, critique, flames always appreciated.

Beautiful still life.

Hey, isn't that one of your shots from Annsan's kitchen?
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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread Scott Loveless
On 11/3/06, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 mike wilson wrote:
 From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/11/03 Fri PM 08:28:11 GMT
 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: RE: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?
 
 
 First, allow me to preface my comment by saying that I like
 to do laundry
 (I also like to iron),
 
 send me your mailing address - I can keep you supplied with hours of
 enjoyment for years!
 
 
 
 
  That's Bold of you but don't press it, Bob.  Shel will be busy taking 
  pictures of the Tide and Surf from his new window.

 I wish my mail server would Bounce these pun threads.

Yep.  That's about All I can take, too.

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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread Shel Belinkoff
  That's Bold of you but don't press it, Bob.  
  Shel will be busy taking pictures of the Tide 
  and Surf from his new window.  

 I wish my mail server would Bounce these pun threads.

What a Fab idea!  There's nothing to Gain with such threads.  
Perhaps a strong Breeze can Wisk All these comments away.



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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb wrote:

From: Christian

 That's Bold of you but don't press it, Bob.  Shel will be busy taking 
 pictures of the Tide and Surf from his new window.

 I wish my mail server would Bounce these pun threads.

It would be better still if they never saw Sunlight.

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Re: OT: Wacom Graphire pen

2006-11-03 Thread Bob Shell

On Nov 3, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:

 Does anyone use a pen for photoediting in the computer, please?

Yes.

 Is a a wortwhile investment?

Yes.

Takes a bit of getting used to, but is much better for many photo  
retouching tasks.  I switch back and forth between mouse and pen when  
doing Photoshop depending on the task.

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Re: Test: ISO 800 vs. 1600

2006-11-03 Thread DagT
Hard to see anything from any of them.  The contrast is too different.

DagT

Den 3. nov. 2006 kl. 22.22 skrev Joseph Tainter:

 This time the GX10 image is at ISO 800 while the *ist D image is at
 1600. Again, very quick and dirty.

 http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/535671/display/7101932

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Re: Compact point and shoots - Optio A20?

2006-11-03 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
Hi Bruce,

Well, what bothered me was a strange unanimity in various reviews:

From Dpreview:
On the other hand it can be really, really annoying to use; by today's 
standards shooting feels slow and unresponsive, and has a screen that can't be 
seen at all in bright weather. Throw in the dismal battery life and total 
unsuitability as a social 'party snaps' camera and you'd think this was a 
camera you'd only recommend to someone with a masochistic streak, or someone 
you really didn't like.

From DCResource:
Camera performance is undoubtedly the A10's weak spot. The camera is slow to 
start up, there's noticeable shutter lag (especially with flash shots), and 
shot-to-shot speeds are below average. Focusing speeds were about average, and 
low light focusing was good thanks to the A10's AF-assist lamp. The camera's 
continuous shooting mode was especially poor. While it will keep shooting until 
you run out of memory, the 0.5 fps frame rate and blacked out LCD make the 
feature almost useless. Battery life was well below average.

From Steves digicams:
Bottom line - While the Pentax Optio A10 offers some appealing features 
(8-megapixels, Shake Reduction, etc.), the overall performance of this camera 
in all areas was disappointing. It does have the ability to capture pleasing 
photos that have enough resolution to create poster size prints. However, its 
poor movie mode results and extremely slow shooting performance really bring 
the model down.

After this I concluded that performance was a real issue with this camera and, 
thus, that it should be addressed in its replacement model. That is why I was 
disappointed when Margus mentioned that the A20's was 'a little slow in 
operation'. 

Anyway I am glad to hear that, from your actual experience, you don't find it 
that slow.

Regards,
Jaume

- Mensaje original 
De: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Enviado: viernes, 3 de noviembre, 2006 18:44:42
Asunto: Re: Compact point and shoots - Optio A20?

Hello Jaume,

I'm curious - we have an A10 (my wife's) and have had many other
PS digitals from several manufacturers.  When compared with an SLR -
they are all poor performance.  Can you specifically tell me what
bothers you about the A10 vs many other compacts?

-- 
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Bruce


Thursday, November 2, 2006, 1:44:19 PM, you wrote:

JL So, they didn't address the A10 poor (slow) performance issue?
JL Shouldn't be that difficult...


JL - Mensaje original 
JL De: Margus Männik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JL Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net

JL Hi,

JL I reviewed A20 for our local photo/computer magazine last month. It was
JL a sort of head-to-head test versus Olympus mju: 750. Pentax wins hands
JL down. 
JL What's about A20... it's a bit slow in operation, but image results are
JL very good. Good noise, which is easily repairable with post-processing
JL software ( I do use NeatImage). But if you can find Optio A10 somewhere
JL on good (i.e. significally lower) price - go for A10. You will not get a
JL better resolution with A20.

JL BR, Margus


JL Leon Altoff wrote:

Hello all,

I am currently looking at compact point and shoot digitals.  
Specifically I am looking for one that can do movie clips in macro mode
(or even super macro mode if it has it).

It will also be used as a camera by my wife who has decided that she no
longer wants to carry around an SLR. 

Of course I am looking at the Pentax range (as well as others), and was
considering the Optio A20.  does anyone out there have one of these and
can tell me if it is possible to take movies in macro mode?  Does anyone
have any other suggestions for good compact point and shoot cameras?

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Re: Wacom Graphire pen

2006-11-03 Thread J and K Messervy
I use a Wacom tablet.  It's absolutely essential for fine selections or 
other detail work.  Much more comfortable and precise than usinng the mouse.


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Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 8:30 AM
Subject: OT: Wacom Graphire pen


 Does anyone use a pen for photoediting in the computer, please?
 Is a a wortwhile investment?
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Re: PAW 2006 - 32 - GDG

2006-11-03 Thread frank theriault
On 11/3/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hey, isn't that one of your shots from Annsan's kitchen?
 ;-)


That wasn't Annsan's kitchen.  That was the kitchen of a friend of
mine who lives in Manhattan.

Draw your own conclusions...

;-)

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Test: ISO 800 vs. 1600

2006-11-03 Thread Joseph Tainter
I like the non-hyped, straight talking of Mr.Tatamiya.  It is very
Pentax-like talking.  His forehead is now much shinier.

-
Hi, Ken. Is that a Japanese saying? A shiny forehead? I assume it is a 
compliment. Anyway, I appreciated his straight talk too. We now know 
much more about what to expect.


I like the fact that they did not try to wrestle with noise but leave 
it for users to take advantage of it.

-
Yes, this is the right approach.

I don't know what to make of my comparison shots. In the image from the 
GX10, the table top appears rather noisy to me, especially compared to 
the *ist D shot at ISO 800. Looking just at the table, the GX10 shot at 
800 looks more like the *ist D shot at 1600. But I think the GX10 image 
is also underexposed. Maybe we haven't learned anything more with these 
shots.

The GX10 shot is clearly sharper, but I don't know if there was any 
post-processing. Maybe it is the result of the 10 mp sensor?

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Re:getting a pentax 67II

2006-11-03 Thread Bill Lawlor
Matt, I had an early Pentax 6X7, the one without mirror lock up. The
standard 105/2.4 lens was superb in every way. When I got a late model 55mm
I was even further amazed. Working in a chemical darkroom yielded beautiful
prints, color and black and white. If you are going to scan images the $500
class of flatbed scanners will do good work. It will take an expensive drum
scan to equal an optical enlargement when print size gets over 16X20. You
know to get a solid tripod and ball head and a bag of rocks to hold it down.
Even with MLU camera motion can be a problem because of the big horizontal
focal plane shutter.Eventually it was the weight of the gear that got to me
when I started doing more travel photography. I have a pair of lightweight
Fuji rangefinders in 645 when I need MF.
I have a good 90mm enlarging lens I'll part with if you are interested.

Good luck, Bill Lawlor



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Re: Odd Printing Problem

2006-11-03 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 06:10:53AM -0500, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 I'm experiencing a strange problem with  my Epson 2200. On images 
 larger than 15 inches wide, it prints the first inch under a 
 rust-colored stain that looks like overspray. On smaller images it 
 doesn't do that. I tried reinstalling new drivers and I changed the 
 yellow ink cartradge -- all to no avail. Does anyone have an idea of 
 what might be causing this?
 Paul

If you change the print size slightly, which area changes size?
The good area, or the initial (bad) area?


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Re: Odd Printing Problem

2006-11-03 Thread David J Brooks
Paul, this happened a few time with my Canon S800. The head needed repacement.

Not sure how the Epson heads work,
Sprry

Dave

Quoting Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I would try running a nozzle pattern check.

 Kenneth Waller

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 Yes, it's Epson Premium Luster. It seems something is causing one of the
 ink nozzles to spray randomly for the first inch or so. I think I'm going
 to try replacing the magenta and light magenta cartridges as well. But it
 appears to be yellow.
 Paul
 -- Original message --
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 Is the paper being used a constant for both large  small images?

 Kenneth Waller

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 Subject: Odd Printing Problem


  I'm experiencing a strange problem with  my Epson 2200. On images
  larger than 15 inches wide, it prints the first inch under a
  rust-colored stain that looks like overspray. On smaller images it
  doesn't do that. I tried reinstalling new drivers and I changed the
  yellow ink cartradge -- all to no avail. Does anyone have an idea of
  what might be causing this?
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Re: Wacom Graphire pen

2006-11-03 Thread Mat Maessen
On 11/3/06, J and K Messervy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I use a Wacom tablet.  It's absolutely essential for fine selections or
 other detail work.  Much more comfortable and precise than usinng the mouse.

How much does a decent one run these days? I'm thinking of putting it
on the Christmas list...

-Mat

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Re: Best way to clean those difficult Multicoatings?

2006-11-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/11/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

Speaking of which: Perhaps next year at GFM we could get some people up 
for a bit of Extreme Ironing on one of the peaks?

I'll volunteer a shirt.

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Re: Compact point and shoots - Optio A20?

2006-11-03 Thread Bruce Dayton
I think that most reviews are only a minor guide.  Half of what they
say, I don't necessarily agree with.

I can say, in practice, that all PS cameras that I have owned or
tried, are fairly poor compared to the DSLR's out there.  But the real
trick is to consider what the camera is and what it is targeted for.

In the case of the A10 - my wife absolutely loves it.  She used to
have the original Optio S before that and before that one, she
wouldn't use a PS regularly because they were too big and clumsy.

What she likes on the A10 - SIZE, SIZE, SIZE.  It is basically the
same size as her old Optio S (Altoids tin) camera.  What this means to
her is that is sits in her purse all the time, ready for any quick
shot that happens.  She is trying to record history and make memories
of our family life.  So the camera that actually is at the events, is
the camera that gets used.  An example - she has to run one of the
kids to school - as she gets there she finds out that the child is
being given a little award in class.  So she stays for a few extra
minutes, pulls out her camera and records the event.  It is one thing
to take a camera to a planned event, it is quite another to be ready
for the little moments.  She also takes just as much video with it as
stills.  While the video is not the most superb quality, it is good
enough for the purpose.  It even has image stabilization while
videoing (helpful for my wife) and stores in mpeg 4 (43 minutes per
gigabyte in 640X480 X 30 FPS).

So perhaps the angle I work from is that the purpose of a PS camera,
to me, is to have something that can be easily pocketed and pulled out
for those times when you can't plan for a bigger, more powerful
camera.

All the little cameras suffer from similar problems.  If you learn how
to work with them a bit, then it is not a real issue.  I think what
happens is the reviews have to be comparative - without providing any
weight to the things being compared.  If a PS was ready to shoot from
power on in .1 sec versus 1.0 seconds, in the real world of use for
the intended user, it is insignificant.  If you learn how to focus
lock before firing, then focus lag is not a big problem.  (All PS
cameras that I have tried are fairly mediocre on focus)  It is really
a matter of using a camera the intended way and see how it works.  The
A-10 has been a worthy upgrade to the original Optio S.  When I bought
it from my local camera store (primarily a Nikon shop), the clerk said
they sell them a lot more than the Nikon PS cameras.  They obviously
sell the SLR's on the Nikon way more than Pentax.

I'm not really trying to defend the Pentax A10 against the reviews,
only that I find the camera quite adequate for it's intended use.
When I want a real camera for use, I wouldn't use any of the PS - I'd
use a DSLR.

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Friday, November 3, 2006, 1:55:05 PM, you wrote:

JL Hi Bruce,

JL Well, what bothered me was a strange unanimity in various reviews:

From Dpreview:
JL On the other hand it can be really, really annoying to use;
JL by today's standards shooting feels slow and unresponsive, and has
JL a screen that can't be seen at all in bright weather. Throw in the
JL dismal battery life and total unsuitability as a social 'party
JL snaps' camera and you'd think this was a camera you'd only
JL recommend to someone with a masochistic streak, or someone you
JL really didn't like.

From DCResource:
JL Camera performance is undoubtedly the A10's weak spot. The
JL camera is slow to start up, there's noticeable shutter lag
JL (especially with flash shots), and shot-to-shot speeds are below
JL average. Focusing speeds were about average, and low light
JL focusing was good thanks to the A10's AF-assist lamp. The camera's
JL continuous shooting mode was especially poor. While it will keep
JL shooting until you run out of memory, the 0.5 fps frame rate and
JL blacked out LCD make the feature almost useless. Battery life was
JL well below average.

From Steves digicams:
JL Bottom line - While the Pentax Optio A10 offers some
JL appealing features (8-megapixels, Shake Reduction, etc.), the
JL overall performance of this camera in all areas was disappointing.
JL It does have the ability to capture pleasing photos that have
JL enough resolution to create poster size prints. However, its poor
JL movie mode results and extremely slow shooting performance really
JL bring the model down.

JL After this I concluded that performance was a real issue with
JL this camera and, thus, that it should be addressed in its
JL replacement model. That is why I was disappointed when Margus
JL mentioned that the A20's was 'a little slow in operation'. 

JL Anyway I am glad to hear that, from your actual experience, you don't find 
it that slow.

JL Regards,
JL Jaume

JL - Mensaje original 
JL De: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JL Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
JL Enviado: viernes, 3 de noviembre, 2006 18:44:42
JL Asunto: Re: Compact point and shoots - 

Re: Test: ISO 800 vs. 1600

2006-11-03 Thread K.Takeshita
On 11/03/06 5:07 PM, Joseph Tainter, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't know what to make of my comparison shots. In the image from the
 GX10, the table top appears rather noisy to me, especially compared to
 the *ist D shot at ISO 800. Looking just at the table, the GX10 shot at
 800 looks more like the *ist D shot at 1600. But I think the GX10 image
 is also underexposed. Maybe we haven't learned anything more with these
 shots.
 
 The GX10 shot is clearly sharper, but I don't know if there was any
 post-processing. Maybe it is the result of the 10 mp sensor?

Hi Joe,

I am no expert, so I do not wish to make any premature comments but these
are too crude samples to make any sort of judgment.   I have not looked into
them in detail but none of them look anywhere near any sort of samples, like
the one I posted.  They just give us general ideas.  If you try to draw any
kind of intelligent conclusions off these shots, you (we) go insane with
lots of your own speculations with uneasy mind:-).
Besides, I am pretty sure that the firmware is still 0.2 or so, as I saw no
reports of anything later than that.  When the official samples comes out, I
am sure they would use the latest shipping version.
Let's wait until version one point oh my god.

Ken


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Re: Re: Test: ISO 800 vs. 1600

2006-11-03 Thread Ken Takeshita
On 11/3/06, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is an ISO 800 sample (liquour bottles)

 http://form.allabout.co.jp/1/210637/1/product/210637_01.htm

 I know its too small to make any sort of intelligent judgment, but it looks
 OK to me.
 Generally, folks in Japan who actually saw IS1000/1600 samples were
 apparently delighted, good enough to make up their mind to order.

If you click page 2 of this site, there are some more pics including
ISO800.  Even at this size, they are properly exposed and look OK.
Beyond that, hgard to tell.

Ken

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Re: Test: ISO 800 vs. 1600

2006-11-03 Thread K.Takeshita
On 11/03/06 5:59 PM, Ken Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is an ISO 800 sample (liquour bottles)
 
 http://form.allabout.co.jp/1/210637/1/product/210637_01.htm
 
 I know its too small to make any sort of intelligent judgment, but it looks
 OK to me.
 Generally, folks in Japan who actually saw IS1000/1600 samples were
 apparently delighted, good enough to make up their mind to order.
 
 If you click page 2 of this site, there are some more pics including
 ISO800.  Even at this size, they are properly exposed and look OK.
 Beyond that, hgard to tell.

These are actually Pentax's samples but no EXIF data, and non-clickable,
unfortunately.  But they are now beginning to show ISO800 samples.

Ken


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Re: PESO: November Moon

2006-11-03 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Very nice.  I love the color and the birds.  They take it out of the ordinary.

Dan

On 11/3/06, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A couple of details. Shot about 20 frames of the moon with A*300 f/2.8,
 1.4L T/C and 85B filter. (from my back patio)
 Rewound the 20 frames in the LX (great feature), removed the 1.4L T/C
 and, next day, headed for a local State Wildlife Refuge. Taken at about
 noon.
 Underexposed geese by 3 stops (2 by - exposure comp. and one by
 shooting 100 ISO Provia at ISO 200). Left the 85B in place.
 This small jpg produces some nodes (?) on the edge of the moon.
 Something I haven't see before. They do disappear with zoom in.
 Would liked to have had the full frame width, but the moon was too near
 the center, thus the 8x10 crop.
 Enlarged moon double exposure is, perhaps, the ultimate cliche in
 photography, but, it seems, I have no shame.

 Jack

 Comments certainly appreciated.

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