Re: OT - Brit and proud
I don't know about president. He already has a pretty good job. But he sure gave a good speech. You should be proud. Cotty wrote: Tony Blair for President :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk Bob Harris
Re: OT - Brit and proud
Tony Blair is in Washington and gave a speech to a joint session of Congress this afternoon. People who heard it say it was brilliantly delivered. I did not hear it but read the text and find it admirable. Worth a read -- at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6801-2003Jul17.html?nav=hptop_ts Bob Harris frank theriault wrote: Dear me. Did a politician say something remotely interesting? And I missed it! What happened? Did someone find a WMD in Iraq? waiting patiently, frank Robert Harris wrote: I don't know about president. He already has a pretty good job. But he sure gave a good speech. You should be proud. Cotty wrote: Tony Blair for President :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk Bob Harris -- I don't believe in God, but I do believe in pi - Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: Oh, give me a $#%@#$! break
Mike Johnston wrote: So they're about to blow the crap out of Baghdad. How the hell should I know why they're doing it? Oil? Politics? Warmongering? Too much saber-rattling to back down now? Can't find bin Laden and got to take it out on somebody? Christ, I have no idea. But whatever the reason is, they're the twits who are putting your son and his friends in peril, not me. I have nothing to do with any of it. Good points Mike. This list has gone to hell again, with the usual ranting and raving and anti-American nonsense from non-thinking know-nothings. Time to leave it again and come back when the nonsense has faded. I leave this behind; you may appreciate it. Doctors at a conference discussing their latest progress. An Israeli doctor says, Medicine in my country is so advanced that we can take a kidney out of one man, put it in another, and have him looking for work in six weeks. A German doctor says, That is nothing, we can take a lung out of one person, put it in another, and have him looking for work in four weeks. A Russian doctor says, In my country, medicine is so advanced that we can take half a heart out of one person, put it in another, and have them both looking for work in two weeks. The American doctor, not to be outdone, says, You guys are way behind. We just took a man with no brain out of Texas, put him in the White House, and now half the country is looking for work. Bob
Re: Where's the PDML?
Mike Johnston wrote: I'm either off the list, or the Digest has stopped again. Haven't had any word from the PDML in 24 hours or more. --Mike Lucky you. A little peace. :)
OT Re: I'm back...wedding pix...
Amita: I was off the list for quite a while and missed the great event. Congratulations and best wishes, etc. Beautiful bride, by the way. :) Best Bob Amita Guha wrote: Hey everyone, I've been taking a little break from the list, getting some other stuff done, but I'm back now, ready to talk Pentax. :) While I was away, I put my wedding pictures online here if anyone wants to take a look: http://www.beyondthepath.com/wedding/ Under the Bride's Eye View section are some photos I took, w/Pentax gear of course... It's good to be back! Amita
Re: Chimney pots
Thanks for the link, Wendy. Interesting. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Robert Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dumb Newbie Q #4 -- When/how do you take your shots? I hate to reveal my ignorance but what is a chimney pot? http://www.thechimneypotshop.com/ W. --- Wendy Beard Mosaid Technologies Inc 11 Hines Rd, Kanata, Ontario K2K 2X1, Canada -- Robert Harris, Economic and Public Policy Consultant 30 River Road, #17J, Roosevelt Island, NY 10044 Tel. 212-753-4951 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Chimney pots
Keith: Fascinating. I must have had a few at some point since I once had a house with three fireplaces and chimneys and never had a bird fly in or a flood during a rain squall. (I assume they use these things in the US as well.) Bob Keith Whaley wrote: Thank you, thank you! I never knew!! I'm going to get a lot of pleasure out of this site g. What do you think of that, Robert! I may start with making up a catalog, and go from there. keith whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Robert Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dumb Newbie Q #4 -- When/how do you take your shots? I hate to reveal my ignorance but what is a chimney pot? http://www.thechimneypotshop.com/ W. --- Wendy Beard Mosaid Technologies Inc 11 Hines Rd, Kanata, Ontario K2K 2X1, Canada
Re: Party pics, Russian-style
Paul Franklin Stregevsky wrote: [big snip] When I asked Ilya why the guy had taken so few shots, he explained how it's been proven that each time you take someone's picture, you take away part of their life energy. Whoever owns the print can hurt the person in the picture by--I dunno--tearing up the photograph. Ilya didn't want a stranger taking too many pics, not knowing what the photographer might do with them. That's an odd one. I spent two years in Russia and married a Russian woman. I found that many Russians have a variety of superstitious beliefs, but this is one I never heard mentioned. While I was there I attended a lot of parties and people took pictures like crazy, and nobody ever objected or raised this concern. My wife still takes lots of pictures -- at parties, at the office, etc. We have drawers bulgingly full of 4x6 prints. Perhaps it is a regional thing. I was in Moscow and that is where my wife is from. Maybe this belief is from another part of the country -- it is a very big place. :) Bob Harris New York City
OT: Galen and Barbara Rowell
There now is an official announcement and press release on their deaths at: http://www.mountainlight.com/ Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Thinking of relinquishing the LX :(
Len Paris wrote: If you need the money that selling the LX will provide for paying the rent or feeding your family, sell the LX. Wrong advice Len. Should be sell the family. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Writings on The Wall
William Robb wrote: Not surprised you got the wrong answer. Pink Floyd is far more meaningful to most people than the above mentioned wall (which I had only vaguely heard of, I might add). William Robb Speak for yourself, please. What is a Pink Floyd? Some sort of silly drink? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: about the NYC PUG gathering...
Cesar Matamoros II wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of tom Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: about the NYC PUG gathering... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cesar Matamoros II I said: Um, maybe, but someone needs to make periodic announcements of what's going on. I vote to make Amita the trip leader. ;) tv Tom, when did this turn into a democracy? She is already spoken for, what is it with you and women :-) The same damn thing with *you* and women. Anyway, I know she's spoken for...I was just making a suggestion to get the planning moving along Cesar Stuck in Panama City, Florida for a while Poor guy. tv - Touche Cesar Raising a Venetian cup of R.L.Buller Son 1998 Limited Release Rutherglen to the PDML - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Robert Harris, Economic and Public Policy Consultant 30 River Road, #17J, Roosevelt Island, NY 10044 Tel. 212-753-4951 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: about the NYC PUG gathering...
For consideration of practicalities, aside from transportation. If folks want to use tripods, someone better check on whether it is possible at all sites under consideration. I have never had a problem using a tripod in Central Park. I am less familiar with the two botanical gardens, but from what limited recollections I have of both (infrequently visited and not lately), it may be a problem. At Bronx, much of interest is indoors and I suspect they would not like anyone to block one of the narrow aisles. At Brooklyn many of the paths outdoors are pretty narrow, and crowded on weekends. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: about the NYC PUG gathering...
Ann Sanfedele wrote: [snip] We should make a separate batch of email not to the list about this about this,shouldn't we? If anyone does make such a list, please include me on it. I do not know if I can make it; working on a project that is keeping me busy 7 days a week for the foreseeable future, but I MIGHT be out from under in a couple of weeks. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Flash help for nature shot
Ryan K. Brooks wrote: Hi all, Somewhat of a flash-newbie here. I do mostly landscape and available light shooting, but I've got a really neat bird nest (complete with three young and two very caring parents) easily accessable thru a window. I've been shooting (moderately successfully) with Delta 3200 to get into the shadows, but would like to do some color work.To do this, I really need to use flash, but I've got two problems: [snip] Any thoughts? Is this just impossible? Again, just thought I'd ask the experts since this might be better answered by a studio person. Don't know about what impossible, but I am not sure how desirable it is. I am not a nature guy but I recall reading that it is considered bad form to pop flashes into the faces of baby birds. Can cause trauma and the like. Might it be possible to rig a reflector (maybe something made of white cloth or aluminum foil (to cast some added light onto the nest? Set it up and leave it for a while before shooting, to give them a chance to get used to it. A thought, take it for what it's worth. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Toscana Photo Workshops
Bob Walkden wrote: Hi, I've just found a very interesting web-site which I thought I'd pass on: http://www.tpw.it/. It's a workshop in Tuscany, Italy. [snip] If only I had the money and the time... The story of my life, and not just about photography. sob Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Equipment Freak -was two cameras on one neck
Amita Guha wrote: 1) Pros don't shoot Pentax or Yashica (I'm going to get creamed here). That's ok, I'd rather be a geek w/a Pentax than a snobby pro with a Nikon any day. :) Gee, Amita. You don't look like a geek. Just a little bit peculiar, perhaps, that's all. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:I do not believe I did this!!!
David Brooks wrote: [snip] grabbed the one K1000 i thought was empty and popped the back Arr,a roll of 160vc still in it(about 25-27 shot) Quiry,Is the whole roll kaput or would some of the pictures in the takeup spool be ok.Back was open for about 2 sec as i stared in disbelieve. Depends on how much light hit the exposed negs. If 27 were wound tightly on the take-up roll, you did not have a bright spotlight pointed into the camera, and you closed it promptly, you may lose only a few. If you had it open for too long and there was a lot of light you may lose more. Earliest frames, covered by multiple layers of later frames, probably ok. Beyond that the only way to find out is to process the film. First time in 30+ years of shooting i did this Sort of thing most people do, ONCE. :) Unlike our bashful colleagues who won't tell you how they know what might happen, I will admit to having done it -- once. All 36 frames of slide film shot after a painstaking outdoor night session. Folded my tripod, packed up my gear, headed for the nearest bar, ordered a drink and decided to remove the film and drop it at a lab on the way home. But I hadn't rewound it. Closed it fast and sweated bullets until the slides came back from the lab, only lost the last four of five. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: two cameras on one neck
Artur Ledóchowski wrote: Hi, I carry my two cameras - MZ-5n and Program A - very often. I usually do it this way: my main camera is the MZ-5n, so I hang it on my neck. The Program A (mostly a back-up body) is, on the other hand, hanged on my left shoulder, NOT on my neck and together with my bag. I don't like to put both cameras on my neck as they tend to hit each other whatever the lenght of the straps. I do the same when I have both bodies with me. Two around the neck, aside from banging into each other, would also put an intolerable burden on the neck. I don't think I could stand it for long. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: two cameras on one neck
frank theriault wrote: [snip] A problem I've had with the one around the neck, and the other slung around a shoulder method, is that the shoulder camera just isn't as instantly accessable as the neck one. The solution to this one is to get an LX, which you should have anyway. :) Put both of the strap lugs on one side so the camera hangs longways down. Easy to just lift it from that position to the eye without taking the strap off the shoulder, as easy as it is to lift the other one from your chest. And, with my skinny, sloping little shoulders, I'm constantly pulling the shoulder camera back up my shoulder. That can be a problem. You need a strap that is not too smooth and a shirt or jacket with some texture. That helps keep it from slipping. Or get shirts/jackets with epaulettes that will hold the camera strap in place. Besides, since I have my bag on the other shoulder (if I have two bodies, I usually have my bag with me), that means both shoulders are encumbered, and I'm just not comfortable that way. I wasn't either at first, but I got used to it. I guess it's a matter of personal preference. Yep. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Unwinnable arguments, was Re: Film for graduation
Shel Belinkoff wrote: My comment wasn't intended to start an argument or debate about zooms v primes. It was a rhetorical question and an offhand way to suggest that a faster prime might be a better alternative than a slower zoom in Maris's situation. Perhaps I should have phrased my comment differently, although it's always nice to read some of the comments on either side of the issue while enjoying my morning tea or coffee. Far better than Doonsbury or Dilbert g. And I would rather eat a whole package of Ex-Lax for breakfast than see another debate over whether primes or zooms are better. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for graduation (and a LONG note on zooms, primes, 'n' s t uff)
Peifer, William [OCDUS] wrote: [big snip] ...is there any truth to the rumor that the pointed-haired boss on Dilbert is being groomed for an executive VP position at Kodak? ;-) Gee, I heard that he was going to take over Pentax North America marketing. He has the skills needed to continue the great past tradition. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Unwinnable arguments, was Re: Film for graduation
Bill Owens wrote: The argument between zooms and primes is unwinnable... It's kinda like the argument about what makes a professional camera. It's worse, because everybody knows enough not to take the pro camera stuff seriously, but I think some people take the nonsense of zooms vs. primes seriously. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: thank you for your welcome
Laura Cavaliere wrote: I'm really an Italian female list member and I think Bob that there are other 3-4 Italian members. Yes, Laura. I know that now. I have been privately but forcefully reminded by one of the distinguished Italian men that I cannot count. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: new member
Laura Cavaliere wrote: Hi everybody! I'm now a new member of the PDML. There are a lot of beautiful photos in the PUG. I take my photos with my K1000 and a MZ5N, but I prefer the first one that I bought it 1988 when i didn't know anything about taking photo and so on. ciao Laura Welcome Laura. You are particularly welcome because their are too many men hanging around here, and the women sometimes find us to be a bit of a pain. We need more feminine presence. And, while we have people from all corners of the world, I believe we only have one other Italian -- a man, although a fine photographer. Bob New York - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Rabbi's and Photography
Treena Harp wrote: Don't you all think it's time to nip this thread in the bud?? Don't you mean snip? Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG - Definition of Portrait?
Here we go again. I hope that nobody starts discussing what makes a portrait professional somewhere along the line or this thread will never end. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG - Definition of Portrait?
Chris Brogden wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2002, Robert Harris wrote: Here we go again. I hope that nobody starts discussing what makes a portrait professional somewhere along the line or this thread will never end. That's easy. It's the camera. But what makes the camera professional? Seems to me we never definitively resolved that. Or did we... :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)
Bruce Dayton wrote: [snip] Now I guess I'm going to have to try the high speed synch and see how well it does. Also, remember that fill flash is usually compensated down a stop or two, which helps bring back the guide number a bit. I hope you will report back here on how it goes. There probably is an MZ-S in my (distant) future. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)
Bruce Dayton wrote: Mishka, What are you needing 1/1000 flash synch for? Would not the MZ-S and AF360FGZ do the job you are asking for? It can synch up to 1/6000. Or is flash distance a problem? Has anybody actually used this feature, who can tell us how it works in the real world? Haven't seen any discussion of that. I assume it reduces the guide number (i.e., distance) by quite a bit. I recall that Olympus had a flash like this years ago, and its guide number was extremely low when in high-shutter-speed mode, much reduced from normal operation. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax 24-90 zoom -- user reports?
Thanks for you input, Andreas. I went to BH Photo and bought the thing today. Will give it a tryout this weekend. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: pentax 24-90
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tested the Pentax 24-90 vs the Tamron 24-135. I'd give a very slight edge to the Pentax for optics, but the extra range of the Tamron is nice. Both are very good zooms opticallyboth very consistent over the ranges. A tough choice. Robert James Thanks for you input. The extra reach of the Tamron would have been nice to have, but I decided to stick with Pentax. Also, I believe the Tamron takes 72mm filters, and I already haver several 67 mm filters that I use with other lenses. The notion of having to pick up a couple of 72mm filters struck me as undesirable. Those things aren't cheap, especially a circ. polarizer. So I went to BH Photo and bought the Pentax today. Will give it a tryout this weekend. An aside -- had an MZ-S in my hands for the first time while waiting for another item to come from the warehouse. Did not play with controls and the like, so cannot comment on that or its features. But it sure is a cute little thing. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: f:22, K18/3.5 warmth, 20mm bee's nest...
Paris, Leonard wrote: This is just an observation. If a lens I own says 18mm on it and it's really 18.75mm, it's no big deal to me, and I'm not going to start building a database of the exact tested focal lengths. I am not sure anyone tests many of them these days, anyway. Relying on my memory, increasingly age-damaged, I believe Modern Photography used to do that for lenses they reviewed, and as I recall none were exact. I believe I read in one of the reviews that the industry standard was to be within 5% of the rated focal length. So a claimed 20mm lens could be anywhere between 19 and 21. No big deal. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pentax 24-90 zoom -- user reports?
The Pentax 24-90 zoom has been out for a while and has been referred to on this list a number of times. I am considering buying one, mainly for travel and walking-around-with-one-lens use. I have two 28-70 zooms, the f4 and the f2.8. Both are fine and have served me well, but just do not have quite enough range for walking around with one lens. And for travel the greater range would allow me to carry one less lens -- I could do nicely with my 20 f4 and a 24-90, plus maybe a 135 f2.8, whereas with a 28-70 I would need a 24 as well, probably. (Plus always at least one fast short prime.) The 24-90 has gotten favorable reviews in some magazines, and some favorable comments here. Seems good, no complaints. But...a few specific questions for those who have been using it for a while now. I am thinking in terms of maybe occasional 8x10 prints or even larger, not just 4x6. 1) Overall impression. Are you satisfied with it? (Build quality, sharpness, contrast, flare, etc.) 2) Any specific annoyances, problems, etc.? 3) How is it wide open? (Hopeless, so-so, good, fabulous, etc.) 4) Does it vignette with a filter? 5) Finally, anybody compared it to the Tokina 24-135? All comments will be appreciated before I make a leap and get out the plastic. Thanks. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take it back???
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What lens have you decided to sell in the past that you wish you could take back now. About 8 years ago I shifted to auto-focus to accommodate aging eyes. And I was moving to Russia and wanted to limit what I took with me. So I sold off most of my A lenses. I am really sorry I unloaded a couple of gems -- the A 85 f1.4, the A 300 f 4.0 and the A 70-210 f4.0. (Also sold the A135 f1.8, but since it was too heavy for me to ever carry and it did not see much use, I do not miss it.) And when I look at current prices compared to what I got selling them I want to cry. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MF equivilent site to Boz's K mount pages?
Bruce Dayton wrote: ...just doesn't have quite the ring to it. You mean that in addition to big, klunky cameras, secret passwords and funny hats you will have secret rings, too? Wow. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Tokyo Lucky Homie (was 67 Hat For the Homies
Bruce Dayton wrote: Bob, I am NOT shaving my head! It is not necessary. Just give it time and Mother Nature will take care of it for you. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Weird OT film question
Mark Roberts wrote: I never thought about the possibility of digital imaging for x-rays. Now that is interesting. No more pinning those broken bones, just fix 'em with Photoshop! I suspect it is the wave of the future. About two years ago I had a root canal and the dentist had a digital setup, where there was a monitor right on the instrument tray. He could shoot the picture and see results immediately. Had a chest x-ray at a hospital a couple of months back and it was done digitally. The technician said they could make transparencies of the images if needed for litigation and the like. So I suppose they could use photoshop to cover up any mistakes in diagnosis. :) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S Opinions
J. Gerace wrote: So, if you all had a choice would it be a MZ-S or an LX? Or are those two different animals? They are different animals, Julia. I do not have an MZ-S, but probably will get one if I ever feel the need for a new auto-focus body. (I already have a PZ1-p, which meets my needs, unattractive as it is.) But I never will part with my LX. One is a tool, the other becomes a love object once held in one's hands and caressed. :) Robert Harris, Economic and Public Policy Consultant 30 River Road, #17J, Roosevelt Island, NY 10044 Tel. 212-753-4951 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S Opinions
J. Gerace wrote: So, if you all had a choice would it be a MZ-S or an LX? Or are those two different animals? They are different animals, Julia. I do not have an MZ-S, but probably will get one if I ever feel the need for a new auto-focus body. (I already have a PZ1-p, which meets my current needs, ungainly and unattractive as it is.) But I never will part with my LX. One is a tool, the other becomes a love object once held in one's hands and caressed. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S Opinions
gfen wrote: And I thought the Brotherhood was obsessed with their 67s... They are, but I have never aspired to belong to a brotherhood of weightlifters. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT Adobe Photoshop 7.0 review
For all you digital folk -- Adobe has released a new version of photoshop. Review at: http://www.zdnet.com/supercenter/stories/overview/0,12069,556039,00.html Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 67 Hat For the Homies
Shel Belinkoff wrote: Here it is: http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/67hat.html Not bad, but I prefer this one: http://school.discovery.com/clipart/clip/dunce2.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: pro or hobby
T Rittenhouse wrote: Hey, I am still waiting for that definition of what an amateur photographer is. That one is easy. Canon has already published the answer -- someone who uses a third-party lens. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: helmets -was: Holding a camrea
William Robb wrote: I rather think that over their lifetime, smokers pay all of their health care costs in full, and probably the health care costs of a few of the jerks that complain about smoking. FWIW, I am a non smoker. Well, as a non-smoker you also will live longer (on average), drawing more pension benefits and also will have medical care paid for for longer. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Encouraging the bubbahood
Mike Ignatiev wrote: ...i got myself a rolleicord tlr for well under $200...for sheer image quality per buck it's hard to beat. for non-professional use i find it difficult to understand why people are paying kilo$ for high end 35mm slr systems. Difficulty in getting convenient processing is one reason. Many years ago, when my Rolleiflex TLR was the only camera I had, I could drop film off at a drug store or whatever and get back machine prints of snaps and travel photos. Can't do that today. Maybe there are some 1-hour places or the like that do 120 film, but I do not know of any. When I use the Rollei now -- rarely -- I have to either go to a pro lab or find a darkroom to work in myself. But you do not need high end SLRs for casual use anyway; It is easy to do what most folks do, use a 35mm PS (or even drag out the PZ1-p) or LX for snaps. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Shutterbug reviews MZ-S
May issue of Shutterbug, which arrived in the mail yesterday, has a long review of MZ-S (and 24-90mm lens). (This is a US mag -- do not know if available elsewhere.) I do not have an MZ-S or the lens, so cannot comment on the accuracy of the review, but it is quite favorable and refers to MZ-S as a professional level camera. (Whatever that means.) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:The Goose, Moments Before Attacking
T Rittenhouse wrote: Actually, Bill, geese are rather vicious... They can be quite offensive even if you do not go near them. A couple of times a year large numbers of them stop off at the island on which I live for a while in their wandering, and they take over the parkland so that no human can use it. Ugly they are, too. Clearly a beast that should be shot with a more lethal weapon than a camera. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: the Norman Yoke (was Re: Health Warning
tom wrote: On 15 Mar 2002 at 20:57, T Rittenhouse wrote: Pshaw. I wanted to hear about the Norman Yolk! Did Norman lay an egg? Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More image theft... (Dario Bonazza, now he's got yours)
Ann Sanfedele wrote: Yeah this was a treat! I think I'm just as glad I missed the porn :) annsan Ah, these guys must be pretty uptight. It wasn't porn, more like glamour photography. Nice looking girl, that's all. I kind of liked it. Better looking body than that ugly camera. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rights and police behaviour. (Was: Hello and a lens question)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... It is not only a couple of rotten apples in the barrel, they are often worse offenders than the ones they arrest. What sophomoric drivel -- not really worthy of a reply. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: to all the women on the list (a little early, but i'm taking off soon)
Aaron Reynolds wrote: Is the list in a bad mood today? First two responses to Emmanuel were yawn and then a critique of his punctuation... Some people need to go back to bed until they sleep their grumpies off, I think. And let us not be narrow and parochial. International women's day is a very important event in some countries. (Not that it necessarily leads to better treatment of women, but it gets a heck of a lot of lip service.) I am glad that someone reminded me of it, so I can get some flowers for my wife -- who comes from one of those countries and gets rather irked if I forget it, which I usually do. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film source ?
Tim Engel wrote: My son the architecture student enrolled in a photography class this semester. For every assignment, his instructor's default wording seems to be, Expose 5, 36-exposure rolls... The net effect is that he's been going through a lot of BW film and print paper that he's been buying locally over the counter. So, does anyone care to recommend a favorite mail order source for film and paper. I'm in the USA. BH Photo has a huge stock of fresh and properly stored stuff, and good prices -- see their ad in Pop Photo or Shutterbug, or go to web site: http://www.bhphotovideo.com Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Big Green (?) A* Lenses [was: Green Cameras]
Pål Audun Jensen wrote: ... My guess is that this is an effect of (dis)coloration over time perhaps due to sunlight. Perhaps they sold slowly, and some of them got a layer of mold while sitting in a warehouse. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Switching to Pentax
Andreas Wirtz wrote: Unfortunately it is not gonig ahead, too... Andreas Wirtz Raul Lithgo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am switching to Pentax which is not going backwards. If it is not going backwards or ahead, it must be going nowhere. Not very confidence building. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Hockey
Chris Brogden wrote: One of the best games I've ever seen! The gold has finally come home to where it belongs... yeeha! I suppose it is only fair for us to let it go north every 50 years or so. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Metering system
Lon Williamson wrote: Collin Brendemuehl wrote: So, if I use a consistent exposure method, but need an incident meter to accomplish that goal, how do I turn my 35mm camera into an incident meter? Or is it easier to just carry one? In the 80's, I remember someone sold a transluscent plastic gizmo you could put on much like a body cap that turned your 35mm body into a flat panel incident meter. I wonder if Adorama or some such place still sells such a gizmo. If Spiratone were still around, I'd look there first. I believe we covered this before, a couple of months back. There is (or was) such a device, the Expo/disc. It is attached to the lens and converts the TTL meter reading to an incident reading. Described briefly at: http://www.expodisc.com/workshop/w03.html Below is the URL for the site of the company that made/sold them, with ordering information, links to pages with details on how to use the thing, etc. The owner/inventor died last year but his family seemed to be keeping the operation going when the web site was last updated. I would check to see if it still is before ordering, though. http://www.expodisc.com/ Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Medium format? Large format? What?
gfen wrote: It doesn't have to be Pentax orientated, but is there a primer on med and large format stuff out there? I see things tossed around constantly, like 645 and 6x7 and others, and have no idea what it is.. but am curious. Must be a primer somewhere, but I do not know where. The basic terminology is simple, though, and I can give a start. The numbers used to describe medium format cameras refer to negative size. All of the medium format bodies use 120 film, which is approximately 6 cm. wide (approx. 2 1/4 inches). So: 6x6 camera produces a square negative 6 cm. by 6 cm. in size. 6x7 camera produces one that is slightly larger, 6 cm. by 7 cm. 645 camera produces a rectangular negative that is, yes, 6 cm. by 4.5 cm. There are other sizes in production, too, 6x9 being one that comes immediately to mind. There are some larger, too, -- some for panoramic images such as, I believe, 6x12. (And some 6x6 and 6x7 cameras have adapters that allow them to produce 645-size negs.) In general, the larger the negative, the higher the quality of enlargements that can be made, which is why people find these things attractive. In photography, as in many other things best not mentioned, size matters. But to get larger negatives requires that the bodies and lenses get larger and heavier -- and the larger you want the negative, the larger and heavier is the gear you need. Hence the term bloated for the Pentax 67. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 67 Brotherhood
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Lon Williamson Subject: Re: 67 Brotherhood I've been thinking about a PentaX group for folks who have 35mm cameras with a model name ending in X. KX, MX, LX. Dues in the P_X club are a measly 200 dollars a year, mailable to me Right Now. If I can sucker enough folks in, I'll buy a 67. Lon you are a man after my own heart. I don't think it is worth $200 to join an x-rated club. There is enough free porn on the net to satisfy anyone. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: bad quality from A28mm/2
Frantisek Vlcek wrote: Hi, I tried out a lens I thought about buying, it's the Pentax A 28/2, it was in very good condition. The results from the roll of 100 iso film: AWFUL! The lens was worse than any other I have seen, almost worse than a Tamron 28/2.5 ... [snip] I think you should find another one to try; seems to me that something is wrong with the particular sample you have. (Could some elements be out of alignment?) I had that lens several years ago and, while I do not remember details, I was happy with it. I am sure it did not have all of those shortcomings. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Medium format? Large format? What?
gfen wrote: Actually, I was just offered his Speed Graphic (I'm still unsure on teh model, it looks to be a pacemaker) with a pair of lenses (I'm also unsure of the focal length, the one on the unit doesn't have anything printed on it), plus a series of film sheet holders for $70. Outside of some scuffing on the leather, I think I'm going to take him up on it just on the sheer fact that its a very pretty novelty, and seems to be a piece of photographic history. I know nothing about Graphics, but that price seems good to me if it is in good shape, with lens, etc. But I will have to defer to some folks on this list who know those cameras. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: if you've got a cat and dog, and a computer...
Cotty wrote: I'm *really* sorry for this OT post, but cat-lovers AND dog lovers should raise a smile at this brilliant comic. Bearing in mind most PDMLers' affliction with eBay, this should have you howling! http://www.ucomics.com/bizarro/viewbz.cfm?uc_full_date=20020201uc_comic=bz uc_daction=X You needn't be sorry. It is a priceless demonstration of the superior intelligence of cats. :) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OPTICS AND KILLER GLASS
Bob Blakely wrote: No one argues this is excellent advice. On the other hand, Stop into a Rave with me for some shots from the wild side. Go a head. Bring your tripod. You'll spend the entire night trying to figure out where to put it since every square foot of floor space has a human foot on it! Suitable support! Ha! He probably will not have to figure out where to put it -- someone will tell him where to put it, or perhaps insert it there for him. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: TLR Owners
Shel Belinkoff wrote: This is either ludicrous or very clever, but I'm sure you'll enjoy the creativity and ingenuity. It's a telephoto adapter for TLR cameras. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1332921772 I particularly like this part of the description: What this does is allow you to mount a pair of Binoculars to your camera. Why you would want to do this is beyond me but you will never complete your TLR collection until you have one. Somehow I am not tempted at all. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: USA vs. Grey Import Med. Format Equip Question/Problem
Dan Kirsch wrote: Last week I bought a 645NII from World Photo Sales (Brooklyn, worldphotoonline.com). They are a Popular Photography check rated advertiser, and also meet the requirements for the Shutterbug advertisers. Both of those requirements include specifying if it won't be a USA warranty. I do not know anything about holograms on boxes, or the dealer in question, but... Alas, acceptance of ads by those magazines offers no protection, it means only that the checks for the ad clear, and tells nothing about the reliability of the merchant. There are many liars and unreliable dealers in the photo mail-order business and they all advertise in most of the mags. I would be very leery of any mail order place in New York but BH and Adorama, generally considered reliable and honest. Some others also may be ok, but advance research before dealing with most of them is prudent. I took a quick look at some customer reports -- there are quite a few -- on World Photo Video, at: http://www.photo.net/neighbor/one-subcategory?id=2 Mostly negative reports, but a few positive. Another site reporting on customer views of dealers, http://www.cmpsolv.com/los/pmos.shtml has only two entries for World -- both saying avoid. There also may be complaints with the Better Business Bureau, but I do not have the URL. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 67 Brotherhood
T Rittenhouse wrote: Can those who use an LX be little bitty brothers? Why would an LX user want to be part of this Brotherhood of Bloat? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 67 Brotherhood
William Robb wrote: Tsk Tsk, as juvenile a display of name calling as I have ever seen. Mean-spirited? You misunderstand. I am just seeking a suitable, non-judgemental description. Thanks for the nice words about age, though. It has been many decades since I looked or felt like a juvenile. Now if I can just convince some young women that you are right. :) Acceptance of your lot would be so much healthier. I am quite healthy, thank you, having accepted my lot by choice when I selected the LX many years ago, and I have never felt any need to downgrade. I say that Robert Harris should acquire a Pentax 6x7, and know that he has become one with the exclusives. Not a chance. I prefer to get my exercise some other way than by carrying a large heavy lump around. I will continue to do medium format with my trusty old Rollei TLR, but if I ever feel the need for another little cm. I might take a look at the Mayama 7. Seems to do the job without bloat. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: USA vs. Grey Import Med. Format Equip Question/Problem
Mark Roberts wrote: The check rated system is, IMHO, a total farce. Any advertiser who pays for enough advertising gets rated and how they do business seems to be irrelevant. Agree. Many sleazy operators are check-rated, making that designation not really helpful. BTW: I *did* exact revenge one one of these check rated con artists, although I'll decline to mention how in public. But I'll say it was Cambridge Camera, widely recognized as being the worst of the worst as far as business practices are concerned. Cambridge was check-rated for years, too, and was a regular advertiser in Pop, although I think I read somewhere not too long ago that their ads finally were bounced because of complaints. (Haven't verified this myself -- I don't read Pop anymore.) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Coming to America (sort of OT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the New World. 1. Can anyone recommend any good photography/Pentax shops in the North Saddle River area (or in Manhattan I guess, as I'll be travelling around the city) I patronize two places. 1) BH Photo carries just about everything at about the lowest available prices. (34 th St. and 9th Avenue.) A great place to look around, too -- huge operation, though, so it can be confusing at first. 2) Adorama. (18th Street between 5th and 6th Avenue.) Comparable to BH, stocks just about everything you may want but not as big a shop. You will find detailed ads for both places in the major photo magazines in the US (e.g., Popular Photography, Shutterbug) and both have web sites. Note that they both are major mail-order houses. If you live in New Jersey and know what you want, you can order by mail and you avoid the NY sales tax (8 1/4%). I believe you also can avoid the tax by buying in the shop but having the merchandise delivered to NJ. Take the stuff with you and you have to pay the tax even though you live out of state. You must pay shipping charges, of course, but they may come to less than the tax amount. May be worth making the calculation for large purchases. 2. Where should I buy and process films? How much should I expect to pay - for BW, E6 and C41 (depending on what I'm up to). You can buy your film at BH or Adorama, too. Again, both stock just about everything, store the stuff properly and their prices are about as low as you will find. I usually have E-6 processed at Baboo Color Lab, 37 W. 20 St (conveniently near Adorama). They also do C-41 but I have not used them for that very much. I don't know about BW since I always did my own when I did it at all. I don't know current prices. Note that this area of Manhattan has many other pro labs as well -- it is known as the photo district, and there are -- I am sure -- a lot of good alternatives. Worth walking around the area and window shopping a bit, I think. Bob Harris New York City - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: general (OT?) question OT answer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/7/2002 10:43:16 AM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cats are evil incarnate. They are only your friend until someone makes a better offer. They are the whores of the animal kingdom. -- an fellow hater of cats who requested anonymity -- You are now on my shit list! And mine! My cat is not amused either, and says we should forget making lists. Instead he suggests sending him the contents of litter boxes. :) Bob -- Robert Harris, Economic and Public Policy Consultant 30 River Road, #17J, Roosevelt Island, NY 10044 Tel. 212-753-4951 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Anybody wants an LX Gold?
Simon King wrote: It's a Pimp-X! Actually I think it's from Liberace's estate... Liberace would never have acquired such a monstrosity. He had better taste than that. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Should one get pissy over photos in a divorce? (was Who owns a photo?)
Bob Blakely wrote: What the hell is an SO? Usually significant other -- a non-specific reference to wife, girl/boy friend, lover, etc. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Enabled - but at what cost?
Oliver Raymond wrote: Hey! My missus to be has said that after the wedding I can get the new 67 90-180 zoom lens can you say enablement? ...not so soon on the 'e' word - the darn NY wedding will cost the same as ALL 67 glass from 400mm over - 500mm, 600mm, 1000mm Reflex, 400mm EDIF AND 800mm EDIF BRAND NEW!!! Let me enable you on another approach. Skip the wedding and buy all the glass. Bob Harris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Model release forms
wendy beard wrote: I quote: 9) For categories including people or pets, a model release is required. Where the photo taken is of a minor a parent or guardian's signature is required. With pets, the pet's owner's signature is required. Model release forms will be available at Turek Camera Shop. You're all going to tell me that this is perfectly normal, but I swear I've never come across anything like this before. Is it a North American Thing or is it everywhere? They may plan to use some of the photos in advertising or other promotional material for the store. In that case model releases would be necessary. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Netscape problems (was:Feb PUG is smokin')
Mark Roberts wrote: Anyone tried Netscape 6.2? I've downloaded it but haven't installed it. Sounds like I should stick with 4.6, which is what I'm running now. Works fine. 6.0 was a crappy, buggy release, as are most x.0 releases of anything seem to be these days. NS is now up to 6.2.1 has taken care of most of those teething problems. But -- some web sites simply will not work with it. (My bank, for example.) However, some other web sites will no longer work with 4.x. (I have run into that problem at a couple I visit from time to time.) Don't ask me why -- I suspect a plot by another software outfit, but that may just be paranoia. :) You may want to do what I have done -- keep both. They do not interfere with each other as long as you install them in different directories. At any event, if you keep 4.x you probably should upgrade to 4.9 (I think that is the latest, or maybe it is 4.79 -- not sure.) 4.x is not really being improved any more, it is at a dead end, but bug fixes have been made and security improvements have been added. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Holy Frijole - Downloadable Manuals at Pentax.com
CBWaters wrote: Cool! And RATS! No Super Program Of course, I'd have one by now if I'd contacted Pentax when I ordered the camera That seems odd. There are other omissions as well. PZ1-p is there but no No PZ-1, although there are lots of much older models available. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: English English speakers--OT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But what would someone who speaks Texas English call it? To anyone who speaks English English--can you please enlighten me as to what a bedsit is?? A couple of possibilities. 1) A furnished room. 2) A dump. (Not being judgemental, just descriptive. I lived in such a place for several months once, in Albany, New York. Landlady called it a nice furnished room, I called it a dump. The few visitors I invited up were too polite to call it anything. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Uhm.. there's a giant battery pack on my lens.. what is this?
gfen wrote: I'm still pretty happy with it, at least on paper. I'll hold onto it, I figure. If you are happy with it on paper, it can always be used as a big, ugly paperweight. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Which of you screw-heads is going to buy this one?
Bob Rapp wrote: Say, have you ever had a Spotmatic? If not, you can not refer to us a screw-heads and get away with it!!! How about just plain screwy, then? :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Eddie - was: Rubens (Was: Re: Insanity test)
Paul Stenquist wrote: It is true that mainstream television doesn't cover or understand international motorsports. Like you said, thank god for speedvision. While it is true that mainstream TV (in the US, at least) does not cover motorsports, I do not believe that is due to lack of understanding. It is because the only thing more boring than watching car races on TV is watching golf. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Double messages
Peter Alling wrote: Is anyone else getting double messages or is it just me. Double? I've been getting repeats from the last few days this morning. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Marx is overvalued
Mike Johnston wrote: A slight (pedantic?) clarification is in order, perhaps. Or, perhaps not. Nip of Bob W.'s cooking sherry then, Bob H.? There's a good lad. I don't care much for sherry, except for cooking. A bit of single malt, though, and I may shut up. :) Bob Harris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Michael A.'s an ASS
Len Paris wrote: Did you have presence of mind enough, though, to then ask one of them to take a picture of you behind the wheel? I can't remember a single time that I've ever asked a stranger to take a picture of me using my camera. But Shel was not dealing with strangers in this situation. He was dealing with one of his idols in and one of his icons. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
I have a brother who is a free-lance writer. He does a regular column for one magazine and writes articles for others as well. Mostly in specialized, niche publications, like Poker Digest. He was doing an article about a casino in Europe for one of them a while back and the editor said, Be nice to have some pictures. He said, No problem. He has never owned a camera or, to my knowledge, used one. Doesn't know an f-stop from a subway stop. So he bought a disposable camera, shot all the film, got a friend to scan a bunch of images and e-mailed them to the editor. (He was based in Europe, the mag is published in the Western USA.) Several of the photos now have been published. And he continues to shoot photos to accompany articles, using disposable cameras -- although he was speaking wistfully last night about how nice it would be to get a digital camera. So he now is a published photographer. And he is paid, so he is a sort-of pro, too. Or is he? Bob Harris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose the test is what your brother's pix look like. I am afraid to look at any. Suppose they are better than mine? :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Peter Alling wrote: Yes he is a pro. So his equipment is pro equipment. Hmmm. So maybe the makers of disposable cameras should start advertising them as the latest pro devices. Hell, maybe they'll buy some of my brothers pics for their ads. He could use the money -- the magazines he writes for do not pay all that well. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The Graduate
Shel Belinkoff wrote: I'm familiar with the trick, although I've never used it. Marbles are still around, I'm sure, although they may now be plastic g. They are still around. I was in FAO Schwartz (big NY toy store) the other day and saw a large display of marbles. I did not handle them, but they looked like glass. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: How many 35mm lenses do you own?
Bill D. Casselberry wrote: ... an integer, X, somewhere between too many and not enough !8^D Sorry, but there is no integer between too many (as in two martinis) and not enough (as in three martinis) -- pointed out many years ago by James Thurber. Bob Harris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: What kind of Hand Held Meter do you use?
Aaron Reynolds wrote: I have a Sekonic flashmate L-308b, a beautiful, small meter. I very much like the size, shape and layout. It's a digital flashmeter, with measurement in tenths of stops. Easy to use one-handed. I have been using the Sekonic 328F for nearly 10 years. I think it is simply a later version of the 308, or maybe it has some added features. Same basic characteristics, though. Digital with choice of ambient or flash metering, can do reflected or incident readings, will take a spotmeter attachment. (5 degree, I think. Not the greatest but sometimes useful.) Uses one AA battery which lasts a long time, light, fits in a shirt pocket, easy to use. Nice. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: What kind of Hand Held Meter do you use?
Alan Chan wrote: I like the L328 for its size and easy of use. Unfortunately, it had poor built quality and messy circuit board design. It died eventually without apparent reason and costed a fortunate to repair, so I just dumped it. I don't think the build quality is bad overall. It is all plastic, but so are most meters, and I do not view plastic as evil. And it is necessary for light weight. But mine also died -- recently, after banging around with me for about 8 years. Cost about $100 to have repaired -- I think it got a new circuit board. I really missed it for the few weeks it was gone, though. I'll be happy if I get another 8 years out of it. :) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: drying FB prints...
I have been waiting for someone else to mention this and nobody has, lending credence to my fear that I made it up in my sleep or that my memory is playing tricks on me. (It does that more often as the years go by.) But at the risk of making more of a fool of myself than usual, I will toss it out anyway. I am sure I remember reading somewhere that Ansel Adams occasionally dried FB prints in a microvwave oven -- maybe he mentioned it in one of his books. Bob Harris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: getting LX - worth it? (repairs,...)
Mike Johnston wrote: I find it curious that none of the advertising from any of the main makers (Pentax, Nikon, Canon, Minolta) ever make any claims over the precision and consistency of their meters. [snip] It's because the market doesn't respond to the claims by buying one over the other. IOW, people don't care. Or people just don't notice, since most people shoot mostly color negative film and only have 4x6 machine prints made. In that case, if exposure is off by plus or minus a stop because of a poorly calibrated meter it generally won't matter except to very critical viewers. I recall that John Shaw, in one of his early books, stressed the importance of testing meter accuracy when starting to use a new camera. He said that none of his three (or more -- not sure how many) Nikons had meters calibrated the same, and he tested by metering on a mid-tone and then marked each body by the amount it was off so he could always adjust the ISO dialed in to compensate. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Metering system
Fred wrote: So, if I use a consistent exposure method, but need an incident meter to accomplish that goal, how do I turn my 35mm camera into an incident meter? One possibility (although I have never used one, so I am not really recommending them, just suggesting...) is the Expo/Disc - http://www.expodisc.com/ Maybe someone here on the PDML has actually used one and can offer some comments... I haven't used it since I have an incident meter -- two actually. :) But it should work fine. There is a fixed relationship between a reflected meter reading from a gray card and an incident reading of the same light -- I don't recall how many stops and am too lazy to go look at my meter that shows the difference. If I correctly understand how it works, the expo-disk snaps over the lens and blocks that amount of the light so when you point the lens at the light source the in-camera reflected light meter becomes, in effect, an incident meter. Sorry to see from the web site that the inventor, George Wallace, died last May. He used to hang around the Compuserve photography forum and seemed to be a nice guy, if a little fanatic in his view that everybody should use an expo-disk. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT -- Really nasty virus around
Way off topic, but someone on the list is bound to get hit by this new virus/worm, just starting the rounds; as usual it is spread automatically by Outlook Express. It is a VERY nasty one, so beware. Note that it will delete files and reformat your C: drive for you. This info is from Norton. JS.Gigger.A@mm arrives as an email message that has the following characteristics: Subject: Outlook Express Update Message: MSNSofware Co. Attachement: Mmsn_offline.htm JS.Gigger.A@mm is a worm written in JavaScript. It uses Microsoft Outlook and mIRC to spread. It attempts to delete all files on the computer and to format drive C if the computer is successfully restarted. More details, including how to get rid of it if infected, at: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Dave Thomas -- Wendy's founder
Cotty wrote: Now I'm really confused. What has this poor departed chap got to do with the delightful Wendy? In 1969, when he opened the first of what became a large chain of restaurants, he named it after his daughter -- Wendy. Don't feel bad -- I didn't know either, and had to look up an obit to find that item. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Another noted Pentax user
Always seems to be interest on the list in famous photographers using Pentax gear. I just ran across another. The latest issue of Aperture has an interview with William Eggleston (accompanied by a lot of his recent photos). The interviewer asked what he used to take them and he responded: One-third with a Leica, one-third with a Contax, and one-third with a Pentax. No mention of lenses or format, or any other details. Bob Harris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT -- More on Some Pics from th 25th
Rob Studdert wrote: Some pics from yesterday (Oly E-10, I'm waiting Pentax) HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Rob: Your house looks to be ok. Is Hurstville near Sydney? Some scary pics of the raging fires there at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1728000/1728015.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1728000/1728460.stm - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PZ-1p review
wendy beard wrote: At 16:04 26-12-2001 -0500, Tom C. wrote: I have never, ever seen a (P)Z-1 or (P)Z1-p in the flesh and I've been in a lot of camera shops in my time! Lucky you, :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PZ-1p review
aimcompute wrote: Oh shutup Pal, Why should he shut up? He makes perfect sense on, this issue at least. Not only many of us, but other camera reviewers don't agree with you. These delusions tend to attract crowds. :) I share Pal's views but shut up about the Z1/Z1-p a long time ago, shouted down by the sycophants. The fact it didn't do well may be part marketing, part Nikon/Canon mentality of the consumer-masses. And part because it looks like an ungainly brick. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rudolph Injured in Test Flight over North Pole!
Shel Belinkoff wrote: Bringing you the latest news about Santa's reindeer, it was reported on CNN this morning that Rudolph, Santa's most famous reindeer, was injured in an accident early this morning Gross and disgusting. Love it. Sending it to my grandchildren. Time they learned something about the real world. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
