Re: OT: A different kind of bird photography

[Ken Waller]

I thought it was to see the photographers in the mountain photographing you.


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>From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>Subject: Re: OT: A different kind of bird photography
>
>Back in the day, we loved to fly low over Death Valley and the Salton Sea
>in order to see the altimeter drop below zero.
>
>Dan Matyola
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>
>
>On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 11:11 AM John  wrote:
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>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiAW6u4Yt1w
>>
>> 4:09 specifically for Dan.


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Re: OT: A different kind of bird photography

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Back in the day, we loved to fly low over Death Valley and the Salton Sea
in order to see the altimeter drop below zero.

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On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 11:11 AM John  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiAW6u4Yt1w
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> 4:09 specifically for Dan.
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OT: A different kind of bird photography

[John]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiAW6u4Yt1w

4:09 specifically for Dan.



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Re: GESO: The 2019 GFM Nature Photography Weekend

[Doug Brewer]

I dislike the Flickr presentation intensely, but will always endure it 
to see your photos. Very nice work.


On 6/15/19 9:22 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

It's taken a while (and Flickr's latest "upgrade" hasn't helped
matters) but here's a small gallery of my photos from GFM this year:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72157709063314541

  



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Re: GESO: The 2019 GFM Nature Photography Weekend

[David J Brooks]

Wonderful gallery Mark.

Dave

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 3:57 AM Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> On 15/6/19, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >It's taken a while (and Flickr's latest "upgrade" hasn't helped
> >matters) but here's a small gallery of my photos from GFM this year:
> >
> >https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72157709063314541
>
> Bristling with quality as usual.
>
> Super gallery mate - will forward this to Stef. He's keen to go back as
> well!
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Re: GESO: The 2019 GFM Nature Photography Weekend

[Steve Cottrell]

On 15/6/19, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It's taken a while (and Flickr's latest "upgrade" hasn't helped
>matters) but here's a small gallery of my photos from GFM this year:
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72157709063314541

Bristling with quality as usual.

Super gallery mate - will forward this to Stef. He's keen to go back as well!

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Re: GESO: The 2019 GFM Nature Photography Weekend

[Alan C]

Splendid gallery. The water shots with moss are excellent. GFM is 
obviously a very popular destination.


Alan C

On 16-Jun-19 03:22 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

It's taken a while (and Flickr's latest "upgrade" hasn't helped
matters) but here's a small gallery of my photos from GFM this year:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72157709063314541

  



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Re: GESO: The 2019 GFM Nature Photography Weekend

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Very pleasing and effective images.  I particularly like Moss and Rocks,
Shanty Spring Branch

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On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 9:23 PM Mark Roberts 
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> It's taken a while (and Flickr's latest "upgrade" hasn't helped
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> https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72157709063314541
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Re: GESO: The 2019 GFM Nature Photography Weekend

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As expected, an excellent set.

On June 15, 2019 6:22:51 PM PDT, Mark Roberts  
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>matters) but here's a small gallery of my photos from GFM this year:
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72157709063314541
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GESO: The 2019 GFM Nature Photography Weekend

[Mark Roberts]

It's taken a while (and Flickr's latest "upgrade" hasn't helped
matters) but here's a small gallery of my photos from GFM this year:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72157709063314541

 
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Re: GFM Nature Photography Weekend

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I hate it when a crapper backs up.

> On Jun 4, 2019, at 3:36 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 3:07 PM John  wrote:
> 
>> On 6/3/2019 17:57:55, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>>> On 2/6/19, John, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>> 
 I'm home.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the report John - much appreciated.
>>> 
>>> I'm planning on being there next year so I'll buy you that cup of coffee
>> at the Maccy D's if it's open by then!
>>> 
>> 
>> I hope to see you there.
>> 
>> The good lord willin' and the creek don't rise, it will be my 12th time.
>> 
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> Hopefully the Micky D's will be open, that was my back up crapper.
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Re: GFM Nature Photography Weekend

[Steve Cottrell]

On 4/6/19, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Hopefully the Micky D's will be open, that was my back up crapper


MARK!!!


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Re: GFM Nature Photography Weekend

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On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 3:07 PM John  wrote:

> On 6/3/2019 17:57:55, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> > On 2/6/19, John, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> >> I'm home.
> >
> > Thanks for the report John - much appreciated.
> >
> > I'm planning on being there next year so I'll buy you that cup of coffee
> at the Maccy D's if it's open by then!
> >
>
> I hope to see you there.
>
> The good lord willin' and the creek don't rise, it will be my 12th time.
>

Hopefully the Micky D's will be open, that was my back up crapper.

Dave

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Re: GFM Nature Photography Weekend

[John]

On 6/3/2019 17:57:55, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 2/6/19, John, discombobulated, unleashed:


I'm home.


Thanks for the report John - much appreciated.

I'm planning on being there next year so I'll buy you that cup of coffee at the 
Maccy D's if it's open by then!



I hope to see you there.

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Re: GFM Nature Photography Weekend

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On 2/6/19, John, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I'm home.

Thanks for the report John - much appreciated.

I'm planning on being there next year so I'll buy you that cup of coffee at the 
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Re: GFM Nature Photography Weekend

[Doug Brewer]

It was great to see you and chat, John. Looks like you had a full 
weekend, and that's all we can ask for.


I got back around 7:30 last night, slept in this morning, and am now in 
a somewhat catatonic state, which is typical for me after the NPW. It's 
the price I pay for the manic levels of energy I expend on the mountain.


With luck I'll be there in August and I hope to see you again.


On 6/2/19 11:54 PM, John wrote:
I'm home. This was the first year I didn't have to rush back to get 
Baxter out of kitty jail ... I mean the pet hotel.


Didn't win any prizes, so my record for not taking the contest too 
seriously remains unblemished.


Didn't do a whole lot of nature PHOTOGRAPHY, but it was an interesting 
weekend for seeing nature. While I was driving up a Pileated woodpecker 
flew across the road right in front of me. It was there and then it was 
gone, but it was plainly visible; best look at one I've ever had. Every 
time I've encountered them before, they were always up in a tree and 
hiding around the other side of the trunk. BIG woodpecker. No hiding 
this time.


Sunrise Saturday was a bust. Heavy gusts & thick overcast caused them to 
close off the top of the mountain, including the trail-head for the 
Black Rock Nature Trail (EASY, 1 mile trail with good view of the 
Parkway from Grandfather Mountain). I'd used The Photographers Ephemeris 
to figure out where I was going to shoot sunrise from & was going to try 
out the 15-30 f/2.8 to see if I could image stack the foreground with 
the "Waning crescent 4.9%" almost new moon that rose one hour before the 
sunrise.


So, once I found out there wasn't gonna be no sunrise with an almost new 
"Waning crescent 4.9%" moon, I figured I'd head down to McDonald's at 
Banner Elk & get a cup of coffee to jump-start my mental processes ... 
except it was closed when I got there. Doug later told me it caught fire 
& they're having to rebuild it. I ended up with a cup of gas station 
coffee from the mini-mart across the road.


Coming back to the mountain, I spotted a flock of wild turkeys out on 
the edge of McCrae Meadow with the dominant Tom making a display. I 
managed to get a couple of photos before someone else stopped & decided 
to walk up on them to get closer ... with predictable results.


On the way back from Banner Elk, I saw a sign for a Draft Horse pulling 
contest, so I bagged the contest & went over to take some photos there. 
I'd never seen one before.


Headed back to the mountain around 4:00pm to turn in my one photo. They 
extended the submission deadline until 5:00pm this year.


Went through Banner Elk again, and just before I got to the country club 
entrance on NC 105, a bear cub came down the hill from my right and ran 
across the road in front of me. Again, I got a real good look, but no 
time to reach for my camera.


Even if I hadn't been fully occupied with driving, I deliberately put 
the camera out of reach when I am driving so I won't be too tempted to 
do something too stupid.


After this morning's presentations & issuing certificates to the 
winners, I took a walk through the habitats before heading home. They've 
got a new Elk habitat. And it looks like they've got plans to expand the 
museum complex. The drawings they have in the brochure make it look like 
it's going to be on the other side of the auditorium where the picnic 
shelter is now.


Took a different route home, partly to see if I could remember one of 
the old short-cuts I used to use when I was running service for the 
alarm company & needed to get between two clients who weren't connected 
by an interstate (or even a primary road).


Nailed it & had a nice sunset along the way. "Fields of Gold" and all 
that, so I got to see a nice bit of nature this weekend, even if I 
didn't get to photograph all that much of it.






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GFM Nature Photography Weekend

[John]

I'm home. This was the first year I didn't have to rush back to get Baxter out 
of kitty jail ... I mean the pet hotel.


Didn't win any prizes, so my record for not taking the contest too seriously 
remains unblemished.


Didn't do a whole lot of nature PHOTOGRAPHY, but it was an interesting weekend 
for seeing nature. While I was driving up a Pileated woodpecker flew across the 
road right in front of me. It was there and then it was gone, but it was plainly 
visible; best look at one I've ever had. Every time I've encountered them 
before, they were always up in a tree and hiding around the other side of the 
trunk. BIG woodpecker. No hiding this time.


Sunrise Saturday was a bust. Heavy gusts & thick overcast caused them to close 
off the top of the mountain, including the trail-head for the Black Rock Nature 
Trail (EASY, 1 mile trail with good view of the Parkway from Grandfather 
Mountain). I'd used The Photographers Ephemeris to figure out where I was going 
to shoot sunrise from & was going to try out the 15-30 f/2.8 to see if I could 
image stack the foreground with the "Waning crescent 4.9%" almost new moon that 
rose one hour before the sunrise.


So, once I found out there wasn't gonna be no sunrise with an almost new "Waning 
crescent 4.9%" moon, I figured I'd head down to McDonald's at Banner Elk & get a 
cup of coffee to jump-start my mental processes ... except it was closed when I 
got there. Doug later told me it caught fire & they're having to rebuild it. I 
ended up with a cup of gas station coffee from the mini-mart across the road.


Coming back to the mountain, I spotted a flock of wild turkeys out on the edge 
of McCrae Meadow with the dominant Tom making a display. I managed to get a 
couple of photos before someone else stopped & decided to walk up on them to get 
closer ... with predictable results.


On the way back from Banner Elk, I saw a sign for a Draft Horse pulling contest, 
so I bagged the contest & went over to take some photos there. I'd never seen 
one before.


Headed back to the mountain around 4:00pm to turn in my one photo. They extended 
the submission deadline until 5:00pm this year.


Went through Banner Elk again, and just before I got to the country club 
entrance on NC 105, a bear cub came down the hill from my right and ran across 
the road in front of me. Again, I got a real good look, but no time to reach for 
my camera.


Even if I hadn't been fully occupied with driving, I deliberately put the camera 
out of reach when I am driving so I won't be too tempted to do something too stupid.


After this morning's presentations & issuing certificates to the winners, I took 
a walk through the habitats before heading home. They've got a new Elk habitat. 
And it looks like they've got plans to expand the museum complex. The drawings 
they have in the brochure make it look like it's going to be on the other side 
of the auditorium where the picnic shelter is now.


Took a different route home, partly to see if I could remember one of the old 
short-cuts I used to use when I was running service for the alarm company & 
needed to get between two clients who weren't connected by an interstate (or 
even a primary road).


Nailed it & had a nice sunset along the way. "Fields of Gold" and all that, so I 
got to see a nice bit of nature this weekend, even if I didn't get to photograph 
all that much of it.




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The photography that García Márquez did not like ...

[Igor PDML-StR]

Hi All,

"The photography that García Márquez did not like but ended up on the 
cover of 'One Hundred Years of Solitude' " - that's the title of the 
article in El Pais. This article is a story about how Rodrigo Moya, a 
Mexican photographer, was taking a photo of the Nobel Prize-winning writer 
García Márquez for the cover of his book.


https://elpais.com/cultura/2019/05/06/actualidad/1557167891_935004.html

Here is a (mostly reasonable) translation by Google Translate:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl==es=en=https%3A%2F%2Felpais.com%2Fcultura%2F2019%2F05%2F06%2Factualidad%2F1557167891_935004.html

Here is one part that sounds especially interesting:
``The last word, however, was that of the editor, the Hispano-Mexican 
painter Vicente Rojo, who discarded all the photos. "I saw Rojo as an 
enemy of photography," says Moya, in a complaint without grudges. "I 
changed the frame, I put paint on the photos, I put them on my head, it 
was crazy," recalls the photographer.''


Enjoy!

Igor


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Re: Food photography

[P. J. Alling]

That's the secret, if you want good Starbucks Coffee, buy the finished 
product at a Barnes and Noble Cafe, (it's branded Starbucks but the 
staff is trained by Barnes and Noble), not only is the coffee actually 
good, but they have a large supply of reading material to enjoy while 
drinking the coffee.


On 4/29/2019 2:11 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I avoid Starbucks.  Terrible coffee.

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 1:36 PM P. J. Alling 
wrote:


Go the a Starbucks that's in a Barnes and Noble bookstore and you'll see
some of the finest realistic plastic replica food items in their display
cases.

On 4/29/2019 12:34 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

The first part, about photographing food to make it look better, was

quite

interesting and at points hilarious.  The rest of the video was cooking

and

serving short-cuts, and not so fascinating.

Many restaurants in Japan have display cases outside next to the door

with

plastic replicas of the meals on the menu.  These are very realistic and,
in my experience, they honestly represent the meal you actually receive.



https://www.tokyocreative.com/articles/19918-fantastic-plastic-japans-fake-food-displays



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On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 12:06 PM Larry Colen  wrote:


Or commercial trickery, you decide, but some handy tricks if you want
food to look good in your photos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MflT0I7ZPCs

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Re: Food photography

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I avoid Starbucks.  Terrible coffee.

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 1:36 PM P. J. Alling 
wrote:

> Go the a Starbucks that's in a Barnes and Noble bookstore and you'll see
> some of the finest realistic plastic replica food items in their display
> cases.
>
> On 4/29/2019 12:34 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> > The first part, about photographing food to make it look better, was
> quite
> > interesting and at points hilarious.  The rest of the video was cooking
> and
> > serving short-cuts, and not so fascinating.
> >
> > Many restaurants in Japan have display cases outside next to the door
> with
> > plastic replicas of the meals on the menu.  These are very realistic and,
> > in my experience, they honestly represent the meal you actually receive.
> >
> >
> https://www.tokyocreative.com/articles/19918-fantastic-plastic-japans-fake-food-displays
> >
> >
> >
> > Dan Matyola
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 12:06 PM Larry Colen  wrote:
> >
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Re: Food photography

[P. J. Alling]

Go the a Starbucks that's in a Barnes and Noble bookstore and you'll see 
some of the finest realistic plastic replica food items in their display 
cases.


On 4/29/2019 12:34 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

The first part, about photographing food to make it look better, was quite
interesting and at points hilarious.  The rest of the video was cooking and
serving short-cuts, and not so fascinating.

Many restaurants in Japan have display cases outside next to the door with
plastic replicas of the meals on the menu.  These are very realistic and,
in my experience, they honestly represent the meal you actually receive.

https://www.tokyocreative.com/articles/19918-fantastic-plastic-japans-fake-food-displays



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On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 12:06 PM Larry Colen  wrote:


Or commercial trickery, you decide, but some handy tricks if you want
food to look good in your photos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MflT0I7ZPCs

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Re: Food photography

[lrc]

I had received the video in an email, did a Google search, a few seconds showed 
that it was the one I saw, but the one I saw didn't have serving suggestions, 
so I guess it was shortened.


On April 29, 2019 9:34:10 AM PDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
wrote:
>The first part, about photographing food to make it look better, was
>quite
>interesting and at points hilarious.  The rest of the video was cooking
>and
>serving short-cuts, and not so fascinating.
>
>Many restaurants in Japan have display cases outside next to the door
>with
>plastic replicas of the meals on the menu.  These are very realistic
>and,
>in my experience, they honestly represent the meal you actually
>receive.
>
>https://www.tokyocreative.com/articles/19918-fantastic-plastic-japans-fake-food-displays
>
>
>
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>
>On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 12:06 PM Larry Colen  wrote:
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>> food to look good in your photos
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MflT0I7ZPCs
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Re: Food photography

[Daniel J. Matyola]

The first part, about photographing food to make it look better, was quite
interesting and at points hilarious.  The rest of the video was cooking and
serving short-cuts, and not so fascinating.

Many restaurants in Japan have display cases outside next to the door with
plastic replicas of the meals on the menu.  These are very realistic and,
in my experience, they honestly represent the meal you actually receive.

https://www.tokyocreative.com/articles/19918-fantastic-plastic-japans-fake-food-displays



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On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 12:06 PM Larry Colen  wrote:

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> food to look good in your photos
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Food photography

[Larry Colen]

Or commercial trickery, you decide, but some handy tricks if you want 
food to look good in your photos


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Grandfather Mountain Nature Photography Weekend

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I'm registered. There look to be about 34 places left.

I *AM* camping, so y'all better bring your rain gear.

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Re: Who Says Old-Fashioned Street Photography Is Dead? - The New York Times

[John]

The article says it's Fuji FP-100c, which is out of production, so he's using it 
while it lasts ...  'every shot he takes “will be one shot less in the world.” '



On 4/11/2019 09:29:42, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

A Crown Graphic with Polaroid film?  That really IS "old fashioned."

Then again, In February, I was photographed by a Polaroid photographer in
San Jose, CA.  

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On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 9:13 AM Eric Weir  wrote:




https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/style/street-photographer-jean-andre-antoine.html




I also noticed at the bottom of the page there's an obit for Charles Van Doren:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/obituaries/charles-van-doren-dead.html?fallback=0=1Jj7fGtpSUa1hSiBxNv66t9c455=0=NA=NC=story=US=home-featured_id=415780116=click=editorsPicks=Article=Footer

http://tinyurl.com/CVD-quizmaster



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Re: Who Says Old-Fashioned Street Photography Is Dead? - The New York Times

[Daniel J. Matyola]

A Crown Graphic with Polaroid film?  That really IS "old fashioned."

Then again, In February, I was photographed by a Polaroid photographer in
San Jose, CA.  

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Who Says Old-Fashioned Street Photography Is Dead? - The New York Times

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/style/street-photographer-jean-andre-antoine.html


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Re: Another Travel Photography tip

[John]

On 1/31/2019 16:38:58, Stanley Halpin wrote:
Every once in a while, every day or two maybe, take a shot of your wrist 
watch or other reliable indicator of the local time.  If your camera record 
of time is off by minutes or hours, this makes it easier to recalibrate the 
time in the exif files. Important particularly if you have more than one 
camera and or if you are going to try to merge your images with those of 
your travel companion who often is unable to remember how to set the time on 
her camera when traveling across time zones…


stan



With the *ist-D, it was several months after I got back to the U.S. before I 
remembered to reset the time zone to EST. Date/time are almost correct just 
offset by 12 hours.


The first month I had the K10D I forgot to set the date/time. I don't know why, 
because IIRC, it prompts you to set time-zone & date/time the first time you 
start it up. Either it had already been started before I got it or I blithely 
passed over that step.


It was almost a month before I noticed the date was off, and it took me three or 
four tries over a six month period before I finally got the date/time set 
correctly. I believe eastern time in the U.S. is the default time-zone.


I haven't found a way to correct the date/time in the EXIF that doesn't change 
the file date (to the date when I'm trying to make the correction). Once you've 
screwed it up one or the other is always going to be wrong.



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Re: Another Travel Photography tip

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Not a bad idea!

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> I've been tempted to just set mine to GMT and be done with it
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> On February 1, 2019 5:43:26 AM PST, David J Brooks 
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> >and what about us folk that nebver change the time on the camera for
> >the time changes.:-)
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> >On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 4:39 PM Stanley Halpin
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> >>
> >> Every once in a while, every day or two maybe, take a shot of your
> >wrist watch or other reliable indicator of the local time.  If your
> >camera record of time is off by minutes or hours, this makes it easier
> >to recalibrate the time in the exif files. Important particularly if
> >you have more than one camera and or if you are going to try to merge
> >your images with those of your travel companion who often is unable to
> >remember how to set the time on her camera when traveling across time
> >zones…
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Re: Another Travel Photography tip

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I've been tempted to just set mine to GMT and be done with it

On February 1, 2019 5:43:26 AM PST, David J Brooks  wrote:
>and what about us folk that nebver change the time on the camera for
>the time changes.:-)
>
>Dave
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>On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 4:39 PM Stanley Halpin
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>>
>> Every once in a while, every day or two maybe, take a shot of your
>wrist watch or other reliable indicator of the local time.  If your
>camera record of time is off by minutes or hours, this makes it easier
>to recalibrate the time in the exif files. Important particularly if
>you have more than one camera and or if you are going to try to merge
>your images with those of your travel companion who often is unable to
>remember how to set the time on her camera when traveling across time
>zones…
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Re: Another Travel Photography tip

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and what about us folk that nebver change the time on the camera for
the time changes.:-)

Dave

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> Every once in a while, every day or two maybe, take a shot of your wrist 
> watch or other reliable indicator of the local time.  If your camera record 
> of time is off by minutes or hours, this makes it easier to recalibrate the 
> time in the exif files. Important particularly if you have more than one 
> camera and or if you are going to try to merge your images with those of your 
> travel companion who often is unable to remember how to set the time on her 
> camera when traveling across time zones…
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Another Travel Photography tip

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Every once in a while, every day or two maybe, take a shot of your wrist watch 
or other reliable indicator of the local time.  If your camera record of time 
is off by minutes or hours, this makes it easier to recalibrate the time in the 
exif files. Important particularly if you have more than one camera and or if 
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OT: Hazards of Wildlife Photography

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http://digg.com/video/baby-elephant-seals-photographer?utm

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Re: OT? I detest digital photography

[Scott Loveless]

I'd like to make a suggestion going forward, though it won't help you
recover what has already been lost.  I do hope you're able to get your
work back.

Implement something local like FreeNAS, which uses ZFS and software
RAID.  You'll need some hardware and a few drives.  For example, I
have a 1U rack server with 4 1TB drives in it.  I have a total of
1.7TB of available storage in that box.  So if a drive fails, I can
simply remove it and plug in a new one without loss of data.  There
are turnkey NAS solutions, but FreeNAS is pretty easy to set up, will
run on just about any X86-64 box, and their documentation is top
notch.

Then, buy some off-site storage to mirror your local storage.
https://www.rsync.net/pricing.html  Those guys also use ZFS, so it
should be pretty straightforward to use something like "zfs send" to
keep everything in sync.

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:12 PM mike wilson  wrote:

> the stuff of nightmares

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Re: OT? I detest digital photography

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> On 30 November 2018 at 19:42 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> 
> On 30/11/18, Alan C, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Laptops have an advantage.
> 
> That stirred a memory. I have only ever owned one desktop computer in my 
> life. Always had portable machines after that. Don't know why, probably part 
> of the job (being mobile). The wife gets hand-me-downs so we're totally 
> laptop here. I've never though of power-related hard drive crashes before. 
> And we get power cuts about once or twice a month of the flickery-lights type 
> you mention, Mike.

I seem to have an affinity for them.  One caused me untold troubles with Paypal.

> 
> Just a bit of mobile meandering. Commiserations.
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Re: OT? I detest digital photography

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> On 30 November 2018 at 09:11 Jostein  wrote:
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> 
> Oh, bugger!
> 
> Hope you get it fixed!
> 
> If it's any consolation, my experience is that when drives becomes 
> unbootable after a power glitch, it's usually because the allocation 
> table or boot sector is corrupted because that's where it was writing 
> something at the time of the glitch. Which means that the data probably 
> is intact.
> 
> Did you try to mount the drives in a different computer?
> 
> Jostein

Not yet.  It's been a more than usually fragmented week, of which more offlist 
when I have time.

> 
> Den 29.11.2018 19:32, skrev mike wilson:
> > I've had three hard drives on the go for a while.  Two at home and one off 
> > site.  The off site one croaked so I had a replacement to format.  Before 
> > that kicked off, I added some files to one of the other drives and then 
> > started backing that up to the other.  At which point we had one of those 
> > micro disruptions, where all the lights flicker - and computers reboot.  
> > Now neither of the drives is responsive - about four years' work.  Did I 
> > mention I hate digital photography?

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Re: OT? I detest digital photography

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> On 30 November 2018 at 08:10 Subash Jeyan  wrote:
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> 
> i have had success in the past with TestDisk/PhotoRec:
> https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec
> 
> as the above site says, "PhotoRec ignores the file system and goes after
> the underlying data, so it will still work even if your media's file system
> has been severely damaged or reformatted."
> command line only but very effective

Command line is good.  Many thanks.

> 
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:29 AM mike wilson 
> wrote:
> 
> > I'm not sure spinrite is suitable for this occurence.  My home system is
> > Linux and any disc recovery is beyond my meagre computing skills, so I'm
> > taking it in to work to see if any of the techs there will help me.
> >
> > > On 30 November 2018 at 03:18 Alan C  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > There are specialists who can recover data from "damaged" HD's.
> > >
> > > Alan C
> > >
> > > On 29-Nov-18 08:32 PM, mike wilson wrote:
> > > > I've had three hard drives on the go for a while.  Two at home and one
> > off site.  The off site one croaked so I had a replacement to format.
> > Before that kicked off, I added some files to one of the other drives and
> > then started backing that up to the other.  At which point we had one of
> > those micro disruptions, where all the lights flicker - and computers
> > reboot.  Now neither of the drives is responsive - about four years' work.
> > Did I mention I hate digital photography?

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Re: OT? I detest digital photography

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On 30/11/18, Alan C, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Laptops have an advantage.

That stirred a memory. I have only ever owned one desktop computer in my life. 
Always had portable machines after that. Don't know why, probably part of the 
job (being mobile). The wife gets hand-me-downs so we're totally laptop here. 
I've never though of power-related hard drive crashes before. And we get power 
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Re: OT? I detest digital photography

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On 11/29/2018 17:02, P. J. Alling wrote:
The third drive might just be suffering from a bad controller board. The two 
that died in the machine probably have scrambled information in the boot sector, 
it's really bad luck when that happens, if they respond to the OS at all there 
are utilities that can analyze the drive and maybe rewrite that sector so the 
data is accessible, I haven't had much luck with those methods lately.




FDISK /MBR  worked well back in DOS days, but I haven't tried it with anything 
after Windoze95 (which was still really a DOS shell). Don't know what the 
equivalent command would be for Mac or Apple.


If the drives are old enough, and they are all the same model with the same 
firmware, you may be able to take the controller board from one of the drives in 
your machine, and perform a transplant.  Needless to say this will void the 
hardware warranty.   Also it may make things worse, though how that could be I 
don't know.


There are YouTube videos that give detailed instructions on how to do both.  I'd 
give some but as I've said, I haven't had a lot of luck recovering drives lately...




For older IDE and SATA drives there are vendors who sell refurbished controller 
boards. They're not that expensive. Twenty-five to Fifty dollars when I looked 
into it. In today's world that's chicken feed.


The YouTube videos can also give you information about whether your drive's 
symptoms suggest it would be one where replacing the controller board would work.


I wouldn't trust a drive using one of those boards for the long haul, but if I 
had a dead drive that I needed to recover DATA from I'd give it a try. If it 
works, your data is worth a lot more than the controller costs and if it fails 
you're no worse off than you were to begin with.


I've been fortunate so far that all the drives I've had fail were duplicated, so 
none of my critical data was lost. I do need to get busy and find a new OFF-SITE 
backup scheme.




On 11/29/2018 4:09 PM, mike wilson wrote:

On 29 November 2018 at 20:43 John  wrote:


On 11/29/2018 13:32, mike wilson wrote:

I've had three hard drives on the go for a while.  Two at home and one off
site.  The off site one croaked so I had a replacement to format.  Before
that kicked off, I added some files to one of the other drives and then
started backing that up to the other.  At which point we had one of those
micro disruptions, where all the lights flicker - and computers reboot.  Now
neither of the drives is responsive - about four years' work.  Did I mention
I hate digital photography?


Ouchies! I hope the third drive has the images duplicated & you can recover.


Third drive was already dead.






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[Jostein]

Oh, bugger!

Hope you get it fixed!

If it's any consolation, my experience is that when drives becomes 
unbootable after a power glitch, it's usually because the allocation 
table or boot sector is corrupted because that's where it was writing 
something at the time of the glitch. Which means that the data probably 
is intact.


Did you try to mount the drives in a different computer?

Jostein

Den 29.11.2018 19:32, skrev mike wilson:

I've had three hard drives on the go for a while.  Two at home and one off 
site.  The off site one croaked so I had a replacement to format.  Before that 
kicked off, I added some files to one of the other drives and then started 
backing that up to the other.  At which point we had one of those micro 
disruptions, where all the lights flicker - and computers reboot.  Now neither 
of the drives is responsive - about four years' work.  Did I mention I hate 
digital photography?



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Re: OT? I detest digital photography

[Subash Jeyan]

i have had success in the past with TestDisk/PhotoRec:
https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec

as the above site says, "PhotoRec ignores the file system and goes after
the underlying data, so it will still work even if your media's file system
has been severely damaged or reformatted."
command line only but very effective

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:29 AM mike wilson 
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> I'm not sure spinrite is suitable for this occurence.  My home system is
> Linux and any disc recovery is beyond my meagre computing skills, so I'm
> taking it in to work to see if any of the techs there will help me.
>
> > On 30 November 2018 at 03:18 Alan C  wrote:
> >
> >
> > There are specialists who can recover data from "damaged" HD's.
> >
> > Alan C
> >
> > On 29-Nov-18 08:32 PM, mike wilson wrote:
> > > I've had three hard drives on the go for a while.  Two at home and one
> off site.  The off site one croaked so I had a replacement to format.
> Before that kicked off, I added some files to one of the other drives and
> then started backing that up to the other.  At which point we had one of
> those micro disruptions, where all the lights flicker - and computers
> reboot.  Now neither of the drives is responsive - about four years' work.
> Did I mention I hate digital photography?
> > >
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I'm not sure spinrite is suitable for this occurence.  My home system is Linux 
and any disc recovery is beyond my meagre computing skills, so I'm taking it in 
to work to see if any of the techs there will help me.

> On 30 November 2018 at 03:18 Alan C  wrote:
> 
> 
> There are specialists who can recover data from "damaged" HD's.
> 
> Alan C
> 
> On 29-Nov-18 08:32 PM, mike wilson wrote:
> > I've had three hard drives on the go for a while.  Two at home and one off 
> > site.  The off site one croaked so I had a replacement to format.  Before 
> > that kicked off, I added some files to one of the other drives and then 
> > started backing that up to the other.  At which point we had one of those 
> > micro disruptions, where all the lights flicker - and computers reboot.  
> > Now neither of the drives is responsive - about four years' work.  Did I 
> > mention I hate digital photography?
> >

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There are specialists who can recover data from "damaged" HD's.

Alan C

On 29-Nov-18 08:32 PM, mike wilson wrote:

I've had three hard drives on the go for a while.  Two at home and one off 
site.  The off site one croaked so I had a replacement to format.  Before that 
kicked off, I added some files to one of the other drives and then started 
backing that up to the other.  At which point we had one of those micro 
disruptions, where all the lights flicker - and computers reboot.  Now neither 
of the drives is responsive - about four years' work.  Did I mention I hate 
digital photography?




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Laptops have an advantage.

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On 29-Nov-18 09:43 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

Ouch...that hurts.  Time for an uninterruptible power supply.

-p

On 11/29/2018 12:32 PM, mike wilson wrote:
I've had three hard drives on the go for a while.  Two at home and 
one off site.  The off site one croaked so I had a replacement to 
format.  Before that kicked off, I added some files to one of the 
other drives and then started backing that up to the other.  At which 
point we had one of those micro disruptions, where all the lights 
flicker - and computers reboot.  Now neither of the drives is 
responsive - about four years' work.  Did I mention I hate digital 
photography?





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Re: OT? I detest digital photography

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Have you tried Spinrite?

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On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 1:35 PM mike wilson  wrote:

> I've had three hard drives on the go for a while.  Two at home and one off
> site.  The off site one croaked so I had a replacement to format.  Before
> that kicked off, I added some files to one of the other drives and then
> started backing that up to the other.  At which point we had one of those
> micro disruptions, where all the lights flicker - and computers reboot.
> Now neither of the drives is responsive - about four years' work.  Did I
> mention I hate digital photography?
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Re: OT? I detest digital photography

[P. J. Alling]

The third drive might just be suffering from a bad controller board.  
The two that died in the machine probably have scrambled information in 
the boot sector, it's really bad luck when that happens, if they respond 
to the OS at all there are utilities that can analyze the drive and 
maybe rewrite that sector so the data is accessible, I haven't had much 
luck with those methods lately.


If the drives are old enough, and they are all the same model with the 
same firmware, you may be able to take the controller board from one of 
the drives in your machine, and perform a transplant.  Needless to say 
this will void the hardware warranty.   Also it may make things worse, 
though how that could be I don't know.


There are YouTube videos that give detailed instructions on how to do 
both.  I'd give some but as I've said, I haven't had a lot of luck 
recovering drives lately...



On 11/29/2018 4:09 PM, mike wilson wrote:

On 29 November 2018 at 20:43 John  wrote:


On 11/29/2018 13:32, mike wilson wrote:

I've had three hard drives on the go for a while.  Two at home and one off
site.  The off site one croaked so I had a replacement to format.  Before
that kicked off, I added some files to one of the other drives and then
started backing that up to the other.  At which point we had one of those
micro disruptions, where all the lights flicker - and computers reboot.  Now
neither of the drives is responsive - about four years' work.  Did I mention
I hate digital photography?


Ouchies! I hope the third drive has the images duplicated & you can recover.


Third drive was already dead.



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To quote Chester A Riley..."What a revoltin' development this is."

-p

On 11/29/2018 1:50 PM, mike wilson wrote:

On 29 November 2018 at 19:43 Paul Sorenson  wrote:


Ouch...that hurts.  Time for an uninterruptible power supply.

-p

Sitting under the bench, waiting on the new battery from Amazon. Which will 
undoubtedly arrive tomorrow.


On 11/29/2018 12:32 PM, mike wilson wrote:

I've had three hard drives on the go for a while.  Two at home and one off 
site.  The off site one croaked so I had a replacement to format.  Before that 
kicked off, I added some files to one of the other drives and then started 
backing that up to the other.  At which point we had one of those micro 
disruptions, where all the lights flicker - and computers reboot.  Now neither 
of the drives is responsive - about four years' work.  Did I mention I hate 
digital photography?


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Re: OT? I detest digital photography

[mike wilson]

> On 29 November 2018 at 20:43 John  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/29/2018 13:32, mike wilson wrote:
> > I've had three hard drives on the go for a while.  Two at home and one off
> > site.  The off site one croaked so I had a replacement to format.  Before
> > that kicked off, I added some files to one of the other drives and then
> > started backing that up to the other.  At which point we had one of those
> > micro disruptions, where all the lights flicker - and computers reboot.  Now
> > neither of the drives is responsive - about four years' work.  Did I mention
> > I hate digital photography?
> > 
> 
> Ouchies! I hope the third drive has the images duplicated & you can recover.
> 

Third drive was already dead.

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On 11/29/2018 13:32, mike wilson wrote:

I've had three hard drives on the go for a while.  Two at home and one off
site.  The off site one croaked so I had a replacement to format.  Before
that kicked off, I added some files to one of the other drives and then
started backing that up to the other.  At which point we had one of those
micro disruptions, where all the lights flicker - and computers reboot.  Now
neither of the drives is responsive - about four years' work.  Did I mention
I hate digital photography?



Ouchies! I hope the third drive has the images duplicated & you can recover.

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> On 29 November 2018 at 19:43 Paul Sorenson  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ouch...that hurts.  Time for an uninterruptible power supply.
> 
> -p

Sitting under the bench, waiting on the new battery from Amazon. Which will 
undoubtedly arrive tomorrow.

> 
> On 11/29/2018 12:32 PM, mike wilson wrote:
> > I've had three hard drives on the go for a while.  Two at home and one off 
> > site.  The off site one croaked so I had a replacement to format.  Before 
> > that kicked off, I added some files to one of the other drives and then 
> > started backing that up to the other.  At which point we had one of those 
> > micro disruptions, where all the lights flicker - and computers reboot.  
> > Now neither of the drives is responsive - about four years' work.  Did I 
> > mention I hate digital photography?
> >
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Ouch...that hurts.  Time for an uninterruptible power supply.

-p

On 11/29/2018 12:32 PM, mike wilson wrote:

I've had three hard drives on the go for a while.  Two at home and one off 
site.  The off site one croaked so I had a replacement to format.  Before that 
kicked off, I added some files to one of the other drives and then started 
backing that up to the other.  At which point we had one of those micro 
disruptions, where all the lights flicker - and computers reboot.  Now neither 
of the drives is responsive - about four years' work.  Did I mention I hate 
digital photography?


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[mike wilson]

I've had three hard drives on the go for a while.  Two at home and one off 
site.  The off site one croaked so I had a replacement to format.  Before that 
kicked off, I added some files to one of the other drives and then started 
backing that up to the other.  At which point we had one of those micro 
disruptions, where all the lights flicker - and computers reboot.  Now neither 
of the drives is responsive - about four years' work.  Did I mention I hate 
digital photography?

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Re: OT: Panoramic photography awards

[John]

Looks real to me.

I've seen a complete circular (360°) rainbow before [from an airplane window], 
so I have no problem with a 180° rainbow ... other than jealousy that he 
captured one & I never have.


On 11/21/2018 11:33, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



This shot got me wondering about its truthfulness:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-6405507/The-stunning-winners-panoramic-photography-awards-revealed.html 

The round-shaped rainbow with the arc exceeding 180 degrees that did not get 
distorted despite panoramic stitching.


My first reaction that it is a lens-produced halo overlaid over the image.
I've never seen rainbows exceeding 180 degrees, but then I've never seen them in 
the areas where it would be possible (like here).
The way it looks (uninterrupted even over the clouds) seems to be unusual 
(unnatural?). But again, maybe the photographer lucked out.
And the fact that the perfect circle didn't get distorted during stitching (if 
it is a panorama made of multiple images) raises questions.

But maybe the guy is good at panorama processing.

I just read that this shot received the Epson "digital art" prize that is
aimed at 'rewarding excellence in modern digital post-processing'.
Did that refer just to the colors, or to the "rainbow" as well?

I am curious what other PDMLers think about this rainbow? Natural or 
Photoshopped?

Igor


Daniel J. Matyola Tue, 20 Nov 2018 18:11:17 -0800 wrote:

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Re: OT: Panoramic photography awards

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On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 11:37 AM Igor PDML-StR  wrote:

> This shot got me wondering about its truthfulness:
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-6405507/The-stunning-winners-panoramic-photography-awards-revealed.html
> The round-shaped rainbow with the arc exceeding 180 degrees that did not
> get distorted despite panoramic stitching.

Rainbows are circular (they form a 42-degree circle around the
anti-solar point). If you're not used to seeing them that way, I think
it's for two reasons: The projection used by rectilinear lenses
distorts the circular shape if the rainbow is off-center, and quite
often most of the rainbow is below the horizon, so we only see the top
portion, which I think fools the eye into thinking it's more like a
parabola or other shape.

Panorama stitching software usually has a number of options for the
projection, and I assume at least some of them preserve the true
circular shape.

You can see more than 180 degrees of a rainbow if you are up high and
have rainy air below you. Pictures of >180 degree rainbows taken from
aircraft are fairly common; see, for example:
https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140930.html

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Moonbows at night are circular. Nothing wrong in theory with a circular rainbow

On November 21, 2018 8:33:57 AM PST, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>
>
>This shot got me wondering about its truthfulness:
>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-6405507/The-stunning-winners-panoramic-photography-awards-revealed.html
>The round-shaped rainbow with the arc exceeding 180 degrees that did
>not 
>get distorted despite panoramic stitching.
>
>My first reaction that it is a lens-produced halo overlaid over the 
>image.
>I've never seen rainbows exceeding 180 degrees, but then I've never
>seen 
>them in the areas where it would be possible (like here).
>The way it looks (uninterrupted even over the clouds) seems to be
>unusual 
>(unnatural?). But again, maybe the photographer lucked out.
>And the fact that the perfect circle didn't get distorted during
>stitching 
>(if it is a panorama made of multiple images) raises questions.
>But maybe the guy is good at panorama processing.
>
>I just read that this shot received the Epson "digital art" prize that
>is
>aimed at 'rewarding excellence in modern digital post-processing'.
>Did that refer just to the colors, or to the "rainbow" as well?
>
>I am curious what other PDMLers think about this rainbow? Natural or 
>Photoshopped?
>
>Igor
>
>
>Daniel J. Matyola Tue, 20 Nov 2018 18:11:17 -0800 wrote:
>
>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-6405507/The-stunning-winners-panoramic-photography-awards-revealed.html
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This shot got me wondering about its truthfulness:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-6405507/The-stunning-winners-panoramic-photography-awards-revealed.html
The round-shaped rainbow with the arc exceeding 180 degrees that did not 
get distorted despite panoramic stitching.


My first reaction that it is a lens-produced halo overlaid over the 
image.
I've never seen rainbows exceeding 180 degrees, but then I've never seen 
them in the areas where it would be possible (like here).
The way it looks (uninterrupted even over the clouds) seems to be unusual 
(unnatural?). But again, maybe the photographer lucked out.
And the fact that the perfect circle didn't get distorted during stitching 
(if it is a panorama made of multiple images) raises questions.

But maybe the guy is good at panorama processing.

I just read that this shot received the Epson "digital art" prize that is
aimed at 'rewarding excellence in modern digital post-processing'.
Did that refer just to the colors, or to the "rainbow" as well?

I am curious what other PDMLers think about this rainbow? Natural or 
Photoshopped?


Igor


Daniel J. Matyola Tue, 20 Nov 2018 18:11:17 -0800 wrote:

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Re: OT: Panoramic photography awards

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 21.11.18 um 03:07 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-6405507/The-stunning-winners-panoramic-photography-awards-revealed.html


Their definition of a panoramic photo is a joke: any old snap cropped to 
a ratio of 2:1 or more. Sorry, but not in my book.


Here's what real panos look like:

https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/855640

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[Daniel J. Matyola]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-6405507/The-stunning-winners-panoramic-photography-awards-revealed.html

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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[Igor PDML-StR]

Thank you, Mark for the book recommendation.

I took a quick glimpse, and I've found some of the clinical cases it
uses as examples quite fascinating.

Human's body, and especially human's brain is such a fascinating and 
challenging topic! I think we know more about the physics of remote stars 
than about how our own brain and the cognitive system in particular work.


... But I might be seeing it differently from how you are seeing it! ;)


Igor


 Mark Roberts Thu, 25 Oct 2018 09:23:22 -0700 wrote:

"Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:


Igor said:

"I'd say that a large portion of what we SEE is what we THINK what we 

see,

i.e. a large portion of the image that we see is done in the processing
(in the brain), - and not just what is recorded by the sensor(s) (the
eyes). "

That is very true, as many experiments and optical illusions clearly
demonstrate.  The human mind has enormous power to make sense out of
limited sensory input.



Check out "An Anthropologist on Mars" by Oliver Sacks. All about
visual perception and absolutely fascinating. Every photographer
should read it.


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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[Igor PDML-StR]

Stop peeking at me! ;-)
And what are you doing in my bathroom, anyway?


 Larry Colen Thu, 25 Oct 2018 09:34:27 -0700 wrote:

That might explain why the guy in the mirror is so damn good looking.


Daniel J. Matyola wrote on 10/25/18 9:17 AM:

Igor said:

"I'd say that a large portion of what we SEE is what we THINK what we 
see,
i.e. a large portion of the image that we see is done in the 
processing

(in the brain), - and not just what is recorded by the sensor(s) (the
eyes). "

That is very true, as many experiments and optical illusions clearly
demonstrate.  The human mind has enormous power to make sense out of
limited sensory input.

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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[Larry Colen]

That might explain why the guy in the mirror is so damn good looking.

Daniel J. Matyola wrote on 10/25/18 9:17 AM:

Igor said:

"I'd say that a large portion of what we SEE is what we THINK what we see,
i.e. a large portion of the image that we see is done in the processing
(in the brain), - and not just what is recorded by the sensor(s) (the
eyes). "

That is very true, as many experiments and optical illusions clearly
demonstrate.  The human mind has enormous power to make sense out of
limited sensory input.

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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

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"Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:

>Igor said:
>
>"I'd say that a large portion of what we SEE is what we THINK what we see,
>i.e. a large portion of the image that we see is done in the processing
>(in the brain), - and not just what is recorded by the sensor(s) (the
>eyes). "
>
>That is very true, as many experiments and optical illusions clearly
>demonstrate.  The human mind has enormous power to make sense out of
>limited sensory input.

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visual perception and absolutely fascinating. Every photographer
should read it.

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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Igor said:

"I'd say that a large portion of what we SEE is what we THINK what we see,
i.e. a large portion of the image that we see is done in the processing
(in the brain), - and not just what is recorded by the sensor(s) (the
eyes). "

That is very true, as many experiments and optical illusions clearly
demonstrate.  The human mind has enormous power to make sense out of
limited sensory input.

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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[Igor PDML-StR]

Great examples for a valid point (which I've been advocating for quite 
some time).


... with an exception:
 Sometimes, while waking up, I am getting all sorts of blur in what I see,
and I am pretty much motionless.

And it is what I see, and not what I think I see, because at that point,
there is not much of thinking happening.

:-)

Cheers,

Igor


John Francis Wed, 24 Oct 2018 13:30:02 -0700 wrote:


A whole lot of photography isn't recording what we actually see.
(or, to be pedantic, what we think we actually see)


Some examples:

  o  A black-and-white print (except for a few individuals)

  o  Long exposures of waterfalls (or, for that matter, any of my panned
 motorsports shots with a sharp car in front of a blurred background).

  o  Portraits, etc., using narrow depth of field to isolate the subject




On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 03:01:14PM -0400, John wrote:

But is it really "machine art"? Or is it "Art" made by people using machines?

Ultimately the tool you choose doesn't matter as much as your skill using
those tools and how well you you are able to show others what you've "seen"
with your mind's eye.

If you can communicate your vision, then it's the appropriate tool.

On 10/23/2018 10:33, P. J. Alling wrote:
> There's really only so much you can do with code, before you're no
> longer recording a scene, and are actually generating it, which is art
> not photography.?? Personally I prefer my art to be produced by humans
> not by machines mainly because machine art is kinda dull.
>
>
> On 10/23/2018 10:10 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> > https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/22/the-future-of-photography-is-code/
> >
> > Dan Matyola
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>


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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[Ken Waller]

I'd just like to automate my own workflow when setting exposure and get it 
more accurate.



I come from a background of shooting slide film and with all that is 
available with today's digital camera, it couldn't be easier for getting 
proper exposure - simply look at your histogram and adjust as needed. Making 
it any simpler would be an insult to my intelligence.


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Subject: Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code





Igor PDML-StR wrote on 10/24/18 3:55 PM:

But I hear you that it would be nice to have the camera doing a more 
careful metering based on the entire image, not just a small portion.
And to do that, essentially, in real time (as opposed to pre-metering, 
which is what happening now)

Unfortunately, as far as I understand, today's computing capabilities are
not fast enough (at least for the expected price range of the end 
product) to do the real-time metering and on the entire sensor.

I don't even know if the today's technology would be capable of doing
full-sensor pre-metering (in a reasonable time), while maintaining the
portable size of the camera and its battery(!). And that's yet before
the price discussion.


For my purposes, it doesn't need to be "real time". Use the current 
metering to get the first approximation, take a shot about two stops under 
exposed from that (to prevent clipping in most cases), as you read the 
data from the sensor to the memory tally the data on each site into (16) 
bins based on the top (4) bits.  Based on that determine what percentage 
would be clipping at that exposure.


It takes no more time than processing a jpeg and displaying the preview 
and histogram, and I don't care if the process takes two seconds when I'm 
doing static scenes, it takes me longer than that to look at the histogram 
(which I wish was based on raw not JPEG data) and make the adjustment 
myself.


I'd just like to automate my own workflow when setting exposure and get it 
more accurate.




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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

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Igor PDML-StR wrote on 10/24/18 3:55 PM:

But I hear you that it would be nice to have the camera doing a more 
careful metering based on the entire image, not just a small portion.
And to do that, essentially, in real time (as opposed to pre-metering, 
which is what happening now)

Unfortunately, as far as I understand, today's computing capabilities are
not fast enough (at least for the expected price range of the end 
product) to do the real-time metering and on the entire sensor.

I don't even know if the today's technology would be capable of doing
full-sensor pre-metering (in a reasonable time), while maintaining the
portable size of the camera and its battery(!). And that's yet before
the price discussion.


For my purposes, it doesn't need to be "real time". Use the current 
metering to get the first approximation, take a shot about two stops 
under exposed from that (to prevent clipping in most cases), as you read 
the data from the sensor to the memory tally the data on each site into 
(16) bins based on the top (4) bits.  Based on that determine what 
percentage would be clipping at that exposure.


It takes no more time than processing a jpeg and displaying the preview 
and histogram, and I don't care if the process takes two seconds when 
I'm doing static scenes, it takes me longer than that to look at the 
histogram (which I wish was based on raw not JPEG data) and make the 
adjustment myself.


I'd just like to automate my own workflow when setting exposure and get 
it more accurate.




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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[Igor PDML-StR]

I suspect you are referring to a strict-algorithm-based processing.
But you can have "[safe-]learning" machines where the parameters of
the algorithm are varied by the machine itself in order to produce the 
"desired" result.
In that case, initially identical  machines would produce different art, 
depending, say, on the feedback/input they get from their owners.


Just imaging:
if one "self-learning-machine-photographer" gets feedback for its images 
from PDML, and the other one from Kinkade sales team, - you can imagine 
the difference in the resulting art.


Cheers,

Igor


 P. J. Alling Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:39:47 -0700 wrote:

That depends in this case on how you define photography, is it an art or a 
craft, in photography you are taking something that's already there and 
recording it.  The photographer applies his skills in camera and in 
processing to make it better in some way. If he's (English makes this the 
non gender soporific pronoun live with it), good at it has a good eye and 
decent skills, the recording can be raised to the level of art.  A machine 
can follow the same rules, so it could be machine art, but a machine will 
never break the rules.



On 10/24/2018 3:01 PM, John wrote:

But is it really "machine art"? Or is it "Art" made by people using 
machines?



Ultimately the tool you choose doesn't matter as much as your skill 
using those tools and how well you you are able to show others what you've 
"seen" with your mind's eye.



If you can communicate your vision, then it's the appropriate tool.

On 10/23/2018 10:33, P. J. Alling wrote:

There's really only so much you can do with code, before you're no 
longer recording a scene, and are actually generating it, which is art not 
photography. Personally I prefer my art to be produced by humans not by 
machines mainly because machine art is kinda dull.




On 10/23/2018 10:10 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

    https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/22/the-future-of-photography-is-code/

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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[Igor PDML-StR]

Larry, I suspect you are making some inadvertent switching in the logic 
here.


The part of the in-camera software (that does optimization for JPEG)
is actually "post-processing". I.e. it is what happens after the RAW image 
has been acquired by the sensor, and is being converted to JPEG.
I don't think there is any JPEG-targeted optimization of how the [RAW] 
image is taken. I.E. If you were to choose recording RAW+JPEG,

then the camera acquires "raw" image, records it as "RAW", and then
converts to JPEG.

Now, the reason why this [post-processing] portion of camera's software 
is optimized for JPEGs is that in most cases people who are using JPEGs 
are not going to bother with RAW and POSTprocessing outside of the camera 
appreciate that automatic ("magic") in-camera processing.
Those geeks and nerds who would bother to use RAW, will do post-processing 
outside of the camera anyway. So, why doing that in camera?


But I hear you that it would be nice to have the camera doing a more 
careful metering based on the entire image, not just a small portion.
And to do that, essentially, in real time (as opposed to pre-metering, 
which is what happening now)

Unfortunately, as far as I understand, today's computing capabilities are
not fast enough (at least for the expected price range of the end product) 
to do the real-time metering and on the entire sensor.

I don't even know if the today's technology would be capable of doing
full-sensor pre-metering (in a reasonable time), while maintaining the
portable size of the camera and its battery(!). And that's yet before
the price discussion.

Sorry, I feel I could've explained it better, - but I feel tired tonight.

Cheers,

Igor


 Larry Colen Wed, 24 Oct 2018 13:06:02 -0700 wrote:


P. J. Alling wrote on 10/24/18 12:39 PM:

It already does that and if it could everything would be recorded in a 
uniform grey.



No, it uses a much smaller number of sensor sites to take a guess at 
exposure, rather than looking at everything, setting the raw exposure so 
that only at most a certain percentage is at, or close to, the clipping 
point.



Similarly, it could also analyze the dynamic range of the scene and find 
the ISO that optimizes for that dynamic range, allowing you the fastest 
shutter and/or greatest depth of field within the dynamic range of that 
scene without clipping the brights or losing the shadow detail to noise.



For landscape photos with DR that exceeds the ability of the sensor, it 
could optimize the bracketing to get all of the detail in the scene, to be 
compositied later in post processing.



I find it bothersome that the camera software is *only* optimized for 
creating jpegs in the camera, rather than collecting the raw images to 
give the best photos possible after post processing.


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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[John Francis]

A whole lot of photography isn't recording what we actually see.
(or, to be pedantic, what we think we actually see)

Some examples:

  o  A black-and-white print (except for a few individuals)

  o  Long exposures of waterfalls (or, for that matter, any of my panned
 motorsports shots with a sharp car in front of a blurred background).

  o  Portraits, etc., using narrow depth of field to isolate the subject




On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 03:01:14PM -0400, John wrote:
> But is it really "machine art"? Or is it "Art" made by people using machines?
> 
> Ultimately the tool you choose doesn't matter as much as your skill using
> those tools and how well you you are able to show others what you've "seen"
> with your mind's eye.
> 
> If you can communicate your vision, then it's the appropriate tool.
> 
> On 10/23/2018 10:33, P. J. Alling wrote:
> > There's really only so much you can do with code, before you're no
> > longer recording a scene, and are actually generating it, which is art
> > not photography.?? Personally I prefer my art to be produced by humans
> > not by machines mainly because machine art is kinda dull.
> > 
> > 
> > On 10/23/2018 10:10 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> > > https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/22/the-future-of-photography-is-code/
> > > 
> > > Dan Matyola
> > > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> > 
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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[Ken Waller]

And those in Canada, now, can legally affect that software to boost those 
images. (What is called "creative effects" in cameras and cellphones.)


Ah, the Mary Jane effect.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Igor PDML-StR" 

Subject: Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code




While I agree that there is a certain limit of how much can be done AFTER 
the photographic information is recorded. (Note the careful language 
here!)


But the software can play a big role in actually recording that 
photographic information: it can "thoughtfully" control the hardware to 
improve the initial quality of that photographic information. Simple 
examples are multiple shots with bracketing of exposure/focus/...(possibly 
focal length, separately aperture and exposure time, e.g. for DOF-related 
effects, etc.).


(But then, with a more capable and complicated (or specialized) hardware a 
more sophisticated software can have more options.)



I'd say that a large portion of what we SEE is what we THINK what we see, 
i.e. a large portion of the image that we see is done in the processing 
(in the brain), - and not just what is recorded by the sensor(s) (the 
eyes).
The eye would not have been such an amazing and irreproducible optical 
instrument if weren't for the brain's ability to process the information

it receives from the eye.
And just in case you forgot, - it starts with a simple thing: the image we 
see is upside down. :-)


And mind that what you and I "see" could be very different. Just because 
our software (aka brain) is different.

But we cannot compare the image in your head to that in mine.

And those in Canada, now, can legally affect that software to boost those 
images. (What is called "creative effects" in cameras and cellphones.)



Cheers,

Igor



P. J. Alling Tue, 23 Oct 2018 07:35:08 -0700 wrote:

There's really only so much you can do with code, before you're no longer 
recording a scene, and are actually generating it, which is art not 
photography.  Personally I prefer my art to be produced by humans not by 
machines mainly because machine art is kinda dull.



On 10/23/2018 10:10 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

    https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/22/the-future-of-photography-is-code/

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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[Larry Colen]

P. J. Alling wrote on 10/24/18 12:39 PM:
It already does that and if it could everything would be recorded in a 
uniform grey.


No, it uses a much smaller number of sensor sites to take a guess at 
exposure, rather than looking at everything, setting the raw exposure so 
that only at most a certain percentage is at, or close to, the clipping 
point.


Similarly, it could also analyze the dynamic range of the scene and find 
the ISO that optimizes for that dynamic range, allowing you the fastest 
shutter and/or greatest depth of field within the dynamic range of that 
scene without clipping the brights or losing the shadow detail to noise.


For landscape photos with DR that exceeds the ability of the sensor, it 
could optimize the bracketing to get all of the detail in the scene, to 
be compositied later in post processing.


I find it bothersome that the camera software is *only* optimized for 
creating jpegs in the camera, rather than collecting the raw images to 
give the best photos possible after post processing.




On 10/24/2018 2:20 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
I have long wished that I could have the camera take a frame and 
analyze all of the pixels for exposure. It wouldn't be good for action 
but would be great for still lifes, landscape etc.


On October 24, 2018 8:21:11 AM PDT, Igor PDML-StR  
wrote:

While I agree that there is a certain limit of how much can be done
AFTER
the photographic information is recorded. (Note the careful language
here!)

But the software can play a big role in actually recording that
photographic information: it can "thoughtfully" control the hardware to

improve the initial quality of that photographic information. Simple
examples are multiple shots with bracketing of
exposure/focus/...(possibly
focal length, separately aperture and exposure time, e.g. for
DOF-related
effects, etc.).

(But then, with a more capable and complicated (or specialized)
hardware a
more sophisticated software can have more options.)


I'd say that a large portion of what we SEE is what we THINK what we
see,
i.e. a large portion of the image that we see is done in the processing

(in the brain), - and not just what is recorded by the sensor(s) (the
eyes).
The eye would not have been such an amazing and irreproducible optical
instrument if weren't for the brain's ability to process the
information
it receives from the eye.
And just in case you forgot, - it starts with a simple thing: the image

we see is upside down. :-)

And mind that what you and I "see" could be very different. Just
because
our software (aka brain) is different.
But we cannot compare the image in your head to that in mine.

And those in Canada, now, can legally affect that software to boost
those images. (What is called "creative effects" in cameras and
cellphones.)


Cheers,

Igor



P. J. Alling Tue, 23 Oct 2018 07:35:08 -0700 wrote:

There's really only so much you can do with code, before you're no
longer
recording a scene, and are actually generating it, which is art not
photography.  Personally I prefer my art to be produced by humans not
by
machines mainly because machine art is kinda dull.


On 10/23/2018 10:10 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

   https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/22/the-future-of-photography-is-code/

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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[P. J. Alling]

It already does that and if it could everything would be recorded in a 
uniform grey.


On 10/24/2018 2:20 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:

I have long wished that I could have the camera take a frame and analyze all of 
the pixels for exposure. It wouldn't be good for action but would be great for 
still lifes, landscape etc.

On October 24, 2018 8:21:11 AM PDT, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:

While I agree that there is a certain limit of how much can be done
AFTER
the photographic information is recorded. (Note the careful language
here!)

But the software can play a big role in actually recording that
photographic information: it can "thoughtfully" control the hardware to

improve the initial quality of that photographic information. Simple
examples are multiple shots with bracketing of
exposure/focus/...(possibly
focal length, separately aperture and exposure time, e.g. for
DOF-related
effects, etc.).

(But then, with a more capable and complicated (or specialized)
hardware a
more sophisticated software can have more options.)


I'd say that a large portion of what we SEE is what we THINK what we
see,
i.e. a large portion of the image that we see is done in the processing

(in the brain), - and not just what is recorded by the sensor(s) (the
eyes).
The eye would not have been such an amazing and irreproducible optical
instrument if weren't for the brain's ability to process the
information
it receives from the eye.
And just in case you forgot, - it starts with a simple thing: the image

we see is upside down. :-)

And mind that what you and I "see" could be very different. Just
because
our software (aka brain) is different.
But we cannot compare the image in your head to that in mine.

And those in Canada, now, can legally affect that software to boost
those images. (What is called "creative effects" in cameras and
cellphones.)


Cheers,

Igor



P. J. Alling Tue, 23 Oct 2018 07:35:08 -0700 wrote:

There's really only so much you can do with code, before you're no
longer
recording a scene, and are actually generating it, which is art not
photography.  Personally I prefer my art to be produced by humans not
by
machines mainly because machine art is kinda dull.


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   https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/22/the-future-of-photography-is-code/

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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[P. J. Alling]

That depends in this case on how you define photography, is it an art or 
a craft, in photography you are taking something that's already there 
and recording it.  The photographer applies his skills in camera and in 
processing to make it better in some way. If he's (English makes this 
the non gender soporific pronoun live with it), good at it has a good 
eye and decent skills, the recording can be raised to the level of art.  
A machine can follow the same rules, so it could be machine art, but a 
machine will never break the rules.



On 10/24/2018 3:01 PM, John wrote:
But is it really "machine art"? Or is it "Art" made by people using 
machines?


Ultimately the tool you choose doesn't matter as much as your skill 
using those tools and how well you you are able to show others what 
you've "seen" with your mind's eye.


If you can communicate your vision, then it's the appropriate tool.

On 10/23/2018 10:33, P. J. Alling wrote:
There's really only so much you can do with code, before you're no 
longer recording a scene, and are actually generating it, which is 
art not photography. Personally I prefer my art to be produced by 
humans not by machines mainly because machine art is kinda dull.



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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[John]

But is it really "machine art"? Or is it "Art" made by people using machines?

Ultimately the tool you choose doesn't matter as much as your skill using those 
tools and how well you you are able to show others what you've "seen" with your 
mind's eye.


If you can communicate your vision, then it's the appropriate tool.

On 10/23/2018 10:33, P. J. Alling wrote:
There's really only so much you can do with code, before you're no longer 
recording a scene, and are actually generating it, which is art not 
photography.  Personally I prefer my art to be produced by humans not by 
machines mainly because machine art is kinda dull.



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https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/22/the-future-of-photography-is-code/

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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[lrc]

I have long wished that I could have the camera take a frame and analyze all of 
the pixels for exposure. It wouldn't be good for action but would be great for 
still lifes, landscape etc.

On October 24, 2018 8:21:11 AM PDT, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>
>While I agree that there is a certain limit of how much can be done
>AFTER 
>the photographic information is recorded. (Note the careful language 
>here!)
>
>But the software can play a big role in actually recording that 
>photographic information: it can "thoughtfully" control the hardware to
>
>improve the initial quality of that photographic information. Simple 
>examples are multiple shots with bracketing of
>exposure/focus/...(possibly 
>focal length, separately aperture and exposure time, e.g. for
>DOF-related 
>effects, etc.).
>
>(But then, with a more capable and complicated (or specialized)
>hardware a 
>more sophisticated software can have more options.)
>
>
>I'd say that a large portion of what we SEE is what we THINK what we
>see, 
>i.e. a large portion of the image that we see is done in the processing
>
>(in the brain), - and not just what is recorded by the sensor(s) (the 
>eyes).
>The eye would not have been such an amazing and irreproducible optical 
>instrument if weren't for the brain's ability to process the
>information
>it receives from the eye.
>And just in case you forgot, - it starts with a simple thing: the image
>
>we see is upside down. :-)
>
>And mind that what you and I "see" could be very different. Just
>because 
>our software (aka brain) is different.
>But we cannot compare the image in your head to that in mine.
>
>And those in Canada, now, can legally affect that software to boost 
>those images. (What is called "creative effects" in cameras and 
>cellphones.)
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Igor
>
>
>
>P. J. Alling Tue, 23 Oct 2018 07:35:08 -0700 wrote:
>
>There's really only so much you can do with code, before you're no
>longer 
>recording a scene, and are actually generating it, which is art not 
>photography.  Personally I prefer my art to be produced by humans not
>by 
>machines mainly because machine art is kinda dull.
>
>
>On 10/23/2018 10:10 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>   https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/22/the-future-of-photography-is-code/
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[Igor PDML-StR]

While I agree that there is a certain limit of how much can be done AFTER 
the photographic information is recorded. (Note the careful language 
here!)


But the software can play a big role in actually recording that 
photographic information: it can "thoughtfully" control the hardware to 
improve the initial quality of that photographic information. Simple 
examples are multiple shots with bracketing of exposure/focus/...(possibly 
focal length, separately aperture and exposure time, e.g. for DOF-related 
effects, etc.).


(But then, with a more capable and complicated (or specialized) hardware a 
more sophisticated software can have more options.)



I'd say that a large portion of what we SEE is what we THINK what we see, 
i.e. a large portion of the image that we see is done in the processing 
(in the brain), - and not just what is recorded by the sensor(s) (the 
eyes).
The eye would not have been such an amazing and irreproducible optical 
instrument if weren't for the brain's ability to process the information

it receives from the eye.
And just in case you forgot, - it starts with a simple thing: the image 
we see is upside down. :-)


And mind that what you and I "see" could be very different. Just because 
our software (aka brain) is different.

But we cannot compare the image in your head to that in mine.

And those in Canada, now, can legally affect that software to boost 
those images. (What is called "creative effects" in cameras and 
cellphones.)



Cheers,

Igor



P. J. Alling Tue, 23 Oct 2018 07:35:08 -0700 wrote:

There's really only so much you can do with code, before you're no longer 
recording a scene, and are actually generating it, which is art not 
photography.  Personally I prefer my art to be produced by humans not by 
machines mainly because machine art is kinda dull.



On 10/23/2018 10:10 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/22/the-future-of-photography-is-code/

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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[John Francis]

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 02:46:25PM +, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
> >En martes, 23 de octubre de 2018 16:12:45 CEST, Daniel J. Matyola 
> > escribi??: 
> 
> https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/22/the-future-of-photography-is-code/Dan 
> Matyolahttp://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola-- 
> 
> 
> Very interesting and true. Thanks.
> I have a friend who has a smart phone review website and he shows me the 
> phone camera outputs from time to time... All the relevant improvements are 
> made by software. One of the last ones was a picture taken in low light that 
> used multiple exposure in order to remove the blue cast of an object 
> illuminated by an (almost only) blue light source. A sort of HDR for white 
> balance. The result is amazing:
> https://www.teknofilo.com/analisis-pixel-3-xl/4
> 
> (in Spanish though)

Technology helps with translation, too ...
(I just dropped the URL into Google Translate to view it in English)

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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[Jaume Lahuerta]

>En martes, 23 de octubre de 2018 16:12:45 CEST, Daniel J. Matyola 
> escribió: 

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Very interesting and true. Thanks.
I have a friend who has a smart phone review website and he shows me the phone 
camera outputs from time to time... All the relevant improvements are made by 
software. One of the last ones was a picture taken in low light that used 
multiple exposure in order to remove the blue cast of an object illuminated by 
an (almost only) blue light source. A sort of HDR for white balance. The result 
is amazing:
https://www.teknofilo.com/analisis-pixel-3-xl/4

(in Spanish though)

Regards,
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Re: OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[P. J. Alling]

There's really only so much you can do with code, before you're no 
longer recording a scene, and are actually generating it, which is art 
not photography.  Personally I prefer my art to be produced by humans 
not by machines mainly because machine art is kinda dull.



On 10/23/2018 10:10 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

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OT: The Future of Photography is Code

[Daniel J. Matyola]

https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/22/the-future-of-photography-is-code/

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Re: OT: The Middle Line in Art and Photography

[John]

Saw that in PetaPixel.

On 8/17/2018 20:55, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

https://twistedsifter.com/videos/the-power-of-the-middle-line-in-art-photography-and-film/?utm
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OT: The Middle Line in Art and Photography

[Daniel J. Matyola]

https://twistedsifter.com/videos/the-power-of-the-middle-line-in-art-photography-and-film/?utm
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OT: 2018 Underwater Photography Prize winners

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Some nice images here:

https://www.boredpanda.com/underwater-photographer-of-the-year-contest-winners-2018/

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Re: OT Erik Johansson surreal photography

[John]

On 4/25/2018 03:10, Larry Colen wrote:

I just ran across this link on a friend’s facebook page.
http://www.erikjohanssonphoto.com/

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I've seen most of those before. Definitely different.


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Re: OT Erik Johansson surreal photography

[Ken Waller]

Sure is different and creative.

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Subject: OT Erik Johansson surreal photography



I just ran across this link on a friend’s facebook page.
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[Larry Colen]

I just ran across this link on a friend’s facebook page.  
http://www.erikjohanssonphoto.com/

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Re: OT: Masters of American Photography stamps - question

[ann sanfedele]

My impression was that there was a kind of recall or stop distribution 
order or something 60 mil? I saw a pane listed for $27 somewhere.. 
but less on ebay.  Inerestinglyone man ray stamp sold for $4.++ on ebay.


It would be good to find some answers - i did use some back then and 
occasionally later from the batch I broke up.


Guess you are home safe :-)

ann

On 4/13/2018 8:38 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

Thanks for asking! I did a short search to see if I could answer your 
questions. Nope. I see nothing about rarity (60 million sheets produced…) nor 
about any controversy. One site with four sheets for sale at $12.99 each, not 
quite double face value of the stamps so not unreasonable. Also I did find a 
number of images of the sheet and detailed descriptions of the individual 
photos and their place in the output of the given photographer. And, as I 
looked at an image of the full sheet, I was reminded that I had bought two of 
these and had them mounted/framed. One was a gift to my father-in-law, one was 
to keep. So in a box or boxes I have two sets. Will have to dig those out…

Stan


On Apr 13, 2018, at 6:09 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I bought a few "panes" of this 2002 issue - I have two left and have been 
toying with selling one, but looking at listings on line I'm surprised they are
available for as little as they are.  None of the listings mention that they 
were rather quickly pulled from distribution because the heirs of one of the 
photographers went after the USPS for using one of his/her photos without the 
estate's permission.at least, that was the story I got back then...

I was trying to buy them at my local post office that summer and they were out 
of them.. had to go hunting. I had used some before I found out about the
rarity due to a stop in distribution or even , perhaps, some were recalled.

Doanyof you remember anything more about this? Whose offspring was involved?

I'm glad I found I still had two panes

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Re: OT: Masters of American Photography stamps - question

[Stanley Halpin]

Thanks for asking! I did a short search to see if I could answer your 
questions. Nope. I see nothing about rarity (60 million sheets produced…) nor 
about any controversy. One site with four sheets for sale at $12.99 each, not 
quite double face value of the stamps so not unreasonable. Also I did find a 
number of images of the sheet and detailed descriptions of the individual 
photos and their place in the output of the given photographer. And, as I 
looked at an image of the full sheet, I was reminded that I had bought two of 
these and had them mounted/framed. One was a gift to my father-in-law, one was 
to keep. So in a box or boxes I have two sets. Will have to dig those out…

Stan

> On Apr 13, 2018, at 6:09 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I bought a few "panes" of this 2002 issue - I have two left and have been 
> toying with selling one, but looking at listings on line I'm surprised they 
> are
> available for as little as they are.  None of the listings mention that they 
> were rather quickly pulled from distribution because the heirs of one of the 
> photographers went after the USPS for using one of his/her photos without the 
> estate's permission.at least, that was the story I got back then...
> 
> I was trying to buy them at my local post office that summer and they were 
> out of them.. had to go hunting. I had used some before I found out about the
> rarity due to a stop in distribution or even , perhaps, some were recalled.
> 
> Doanyof you remember anything more about this? Whose offspring was involved?
> 
> I'm glad I found I still had two panes
> 
> ann
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OT: Masters of American Photography stamps - question

[ann sanfedele]

I bought a few "panes" of this 2002 issue - I have two left and have 
been toying with selling one, but looking at listings on line I'm 
surprised they are
available for as little as they are.  None of the listings mention that 
they were rather quickly pulled from distribution because the heirs of 
one of the photographers went after the USPS for using one of his/her 
photos without the estate's permission.at least, that was the story I 
got back then...


I was trying to buy them at my local post office that summer and they 
were out of them.. had to go hunting. I had used some before I found out 
about the

rarity due to a stop in distribution or even , perhaps, some were recalled.

Doanyof you remember anything more about this? Whose offspring was involved?

I'm glad I found I still had two panes

ann

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Re: portrait photography

[John]

Doesn't take much creative. There's a lot of formula involved photographing 
(high school) "seniors". It's a big business nowadays and there's a lot of 
support for "how to do it".


What you need MOST is people skills for working with anxious teenagers.

Acne & bad hair days are temporary things. The latter is amenable to a few 
minutes attention with a hairbrush. Most of the PRO portrait photographers I 
know employ a female assistant who is experienced with hair and makeup repair.


And after you've judiciously applied a spot healing brush to their selected 
images, they won't remember where any pimples were when they see the final result.




On 4/11/2018 16:16, Gonz wrote:

I certainly aspire to something like that.  I just don't think I have
the creative juices to do it.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 5:56 PM, Bill  wrote:

On 4/10/2018 11:37 AM, Gonz wrote:


Nice positive article, a nice break from so much "Instagram" stuff..

https://petapixel.com/2018/04/10/a-message-to-portrait-photographers/



That was why I shot portraits for 4+ decades.

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Re: portrait photography

[lrc]

I may be the original source of the wristband idea, I remember recommending it 
quite a few years ago and have seen it spread to other events.


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>
>Larry,
>
>I bet that guy's reaction felt quite rewarding for you.
>Nice!
>
>Indeed, often, when people dump to Facebook all snaps they took 
>without _ANY_ filtering, - the probability of some ugly-looking photos
>(awkward poses, facial expressions, etc.)  is high. Hence the
>perception.
>And, as we have recently discussed here, selfies taken with wide-angle 
>lenses aren't that flattering.
>
>Some people feel very insecure about how they look. And all those
>factors 
>amplify these insecurities.
>I'd venture to say that many people are that way, but some are just not
>
>brave enough to ask someone  not to take their photos.
>
>
>
>One dance event (probably Fusion Exchange), - 
>had wrist bands of a different color that meant "do not photograph".
>That was convenient for everybody, eliminating/lowering the anxiety for
>
>everybody. In case a photographer did not notice, the dance could just 
>show the wrist band, and nobody felt offended.
>
>Igor
>
>Larry Colen Wed, 11 Apr 2018 14:02:32 -0700 wrote:
>
>
>Another great story Igor.
>
>There's a local dancer who asked me not to take photos of him. I
>generally 
>do my best to comply, which can be challenging because his favorite
>part 
>of the room to dance in generally has the best light.
>
>
>A couple years back he tagged himself in one of my photos on facebook.
>He 
>wasn't the primary subject, but was in the background. I apologized for
>
>posting the photo, I hadn't noticed him in it, and he said no problem,
>it 
>was a good photo and he didn't really mind good photos being posted.
>
>
>Some people don't want any photos of them posted, some don't want any 
>identifiable photos posted, and some just don't want bad photos posted.
>
>
>A couple of years ago at another dance event (PBEX) there was a young 
>woman that was seriously getting in my face about taking photos at the 
>dances. Long story short, other people told me that she had been
>causing 
>trouble for a lot of people, the event organizers apologized to me for
>the 
>way she had treated me and said that I should have told her that I was
>one 
>of the official event photographers. I hadn't formally signed on, but
>they 
>know me and in effect consider me "credentialled".

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Re: portrait photography

[Alan C]

Perhaps two?

Alan C

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_I_ don't have one. :-)


 Bob W-PDML Thu, 12 Apr 2018 08:40:44 -0700 wrote:

Could you wear one of each so they only photograph your good side?


On 12 Apr 2018, at 16:17, Igor PDML-StR wrote:

Larry,

I bet that guy's reaction felt quite rewarding for you.
Nice!

Indeed, often, when people dump to Facebook all snaps they took without 
_ANY_ filtering, - the probability of some ugly-looking photos

(awkward poses, facial expressions, etc.)  is high. Hence the perception.
And, as we have recently discussed here, selfies taken with wide-angle 
lenses aren't that flattering.


Some people feel very insecure about how they look. And all those factors 
amplify these insecurities.
I'd venture to say that many people are that way, but some are just not 
brave enough to ask someone  not to take their photos.




One dance event (probably Fusion Exchange), - had wrist bands of a 
different color that meant "do not photograph".
That was convenient for everybody, eliminating/lowering the anxiety for 
everybody. In case a photographer did not notice, the dance could just 
show the wrist band, and nobody felt offended.


Igor

Larry Colen Wed, 11 Apr 2018 14:02:32 -0700 wrote:


Another great story Igor.

There's a local dancer who asked me not to take photos of him. I generally 
do my best to comply, which can be challenging because his favorite part 
of the room to dance in generally has the best light.



A couple years back he tagged himself in one of my photos on facebook. He 
wasn't the primary subject, but was in the background. I apologized for 
posting the photo, I hadn't noticed him in it, and he said no problem, it 
was a good photo and he didn't really mind good photos being posted.



Some people don't want any photos of them posted, some don't want any 
identifiable photos posted, and some just don't want bad photos posted.



A couple of years ago at another dance event (PBEX) there was a young 
woman that was seriously getting in my face about taking photos at the 
dances. Long story short, other people told me that she had been causing 
trouble for a lot of people, the event organizers apologized to me for the 
way she had treated me and said that I should have told her that I was one 
of the official event photographers. I hadn't formally signed on, but they 
know me and in effect consider me "credentialled".




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Re: portrait photography

[Igor PDML-StR]

_I_ don't have one. :-)


 Bob W-PDML Thu, 12 Apr 2018 08:40:44 -0700 wrote:

Could you wear one of each so they only photograph your good side?


On 12 Apr 2018, at 16:17, Igor PDML-StR wrote:

Larry,

I bet that guy's reaction felt quite rewarding for you.
Nice!

Indeed, often, when people dump to Facebook all snaps they took without _ANY_ 
filtering, - the probability of some ugly-looking photos

(awkward poses, facial expressions, etc.)  is high. Hence the perception.
And, as we have recently discussed here, selfies taken with wide-angle lenses 
aren't that flattering.


Some people feel very insecure about how they look. And all those factors 
amplify these insecurities.
I'd venture to say that many people are that way, but some are just not brave 
enough to ask someone  not to take their photos.




One dance event (probably Fusion Exchange), - had wrist bands of a different 
color that meant "do not photograph".
That was convenient for everybody, eliminating/lowering the anxiety for 
everybody. In case a photographer did not notice, the dance could just show 
the wrist band, and nobody felt offended.


Igor

Larry Colen Wed, 11 Apr 2018 14:02:32 -0700 wrote:


Another great story Igor.

There's a local dancer who asked me not to take photos of him. I generally do 
my best to comply, which can be challenging because his favorite part of the 
room to dance in generally has the best light.



A couple years back he tagged himself in one of my photos on facebook. He 
wasn't the primary subject, but was in the background. I apologized for 
posting the photo, I hadn't noticed him in it, and he said no problem, it was 
a good photo and he didn't really mind good photos being posted.



Some people don't want any photos of them posted, some don't want any 
identifiable photos posted, and some just don't want bad photos posted.



A couple of years ago at another dance event (PBEX) there was a young woman 
that was seriously getting in my face about taking photos at the dances. Long 
story short, other people told me that she had been causing trouble for a lot 
of people, the event organizers apologized to me for the way she had treated 
me and said that I should have told her that I was one of the official event 
photographers. I hadn't formally signed on, but they know me and in effect 
consider me "credentialled".




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Re: portrait photography

[Bob W-PDML]

Could you wear one of each so they only photograph your good side?

> On 12 Apr 2018, at 16:17, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> 
> Larry,
> 
> I bet that guy's reaction felt quite rewarding for you.
> Nice!
> 
> Indeed, often, when people dump to Facebook all snaps they took without _ANY_ 
> filtering, - the probability of some ugly-looking photos
> (awkward poses, facial expressions, etc.)  is high. Hence the perception.
> And, as we have recently discussed here, selfies taken with wide-angle lenses 
> aren't that flattering.
> 
> Some people feel very insecure about how they look. And all those factors 
> amplify these insecurities.
> I'd venture to say that many people are that way, but some are just not brave 
> enough to ask someone  not to take their photos.
> 
> 
> 
> One dance event (probably Fusion Exchange), - had wrist bands of a different 
> color that meant "do not photograph".
> That was convenient for everybody, eliminating/lowering the anxiety for 
> everybody. In case a photographer did not notice, the dance could just show 
> the wrist band, and nobody felt offended.
> 
> Igor
> 
> Larry Colen Wed, 11 Apr 2018 14:02:32 -0700 wrote:
> 
> 
> Another great story Igor.
> 
> There's a local dancer who asked me not to take photos of him. I generally do 
> my best to comply, which can be challenging because his favorite part of the 
> room to dance in generally has the best light.
> 
> 
> A couple years back he tagged himself in one of my photos on facebook. He 
> wasn't the primary subject, but was in the background. I apologized for 
> posting the photo, I hadn't noticed him in it, and he said no problem, it was 
> a good photo and he didn't really mind good photos being posted.
> 
> 
> Some people don't want any photos of them posted, some don't want any 
> identifiable photos posted, and some just don't want bad photos posted.
> 
> 
> A couple of years ago at another dance event (PBEX) there was a young woman 
> that was seriously getting in my face about taking photos at the dances. Long 
> story short, other people told me that she had been causing trouble for a lot 
> of people, the event organizers apologized to me for the way she had treated 
> me and said that I should have told her that I was one of the official event 
> photographers. I hadn't formally signed on, but they know me and in effect 
> consider me "credentialled".
> 
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Re: portrait photography

[Igor PDML-StR]

Larry,

I bet that guy's reaction felt quite rewarding for you.
Nice!

Indeed, often, when people dump to Facebook all snaps they took 
without _ANY_ filtering, - the probability of some ugly-looking photos

(awkward poses, facial expressions, etc.)  is high. Hence the perception.
And, as we have recently discussed here, selfies taken with wide-angle 
lenses aren't that flattering.


Some people feel very insecure about how they look. And all those factors 
amplify these insecurities.
I'd venture to say that many people are that way, but some are just not 
brave enough to ask someone  not to take their photos.




One dance event (probably Fusion Exchange), - 
had wrist bands of a different color that meant "do not photograph".
That was convenient for everybody, eliminating/lowering the anxiety for 
everybody. In case a photographer did not notice, the dance could just 
show the wrist band, and nobody felt offended.


Igor

Larry Colen Wed, 11 Apr 2018 14:02:32 -0700 wrote:


Another great story Igor.

There's a local dancer who asked me not to take photos of him. I generally 
do my best to comply, which can be challenging because his favorite part 
of the room to dance in generally has the best light.



A couple years back he tagged himself in one of my photos on facebook. He 
wasn't the primary subject, but was in the background. I apologized for 
posting the photo, I hadn't noticed him in it, and he said no problem, it 
was a good photo and he didn't really mind good photos being posted.



Some people don't want any photos of them posted, some don't want any 
identifiable photos posted, and some just don't want bad photos posted.



A couple of years ago at another dance event (PBEX) there was a young 
woman that was seriously getting in my face about taking photos at the 
dances. Long story short, other people told me that she had been causing 
trouble for a lot of people, the event organizers apologized to me for the 
way she had treated me and said that I should have told her that I was one 
of the official event photographers. I hadn't formally signed on, but they 
know me and in effect consider me "credentialled".


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Re: portrait photography

[Larry Colen]

Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Nice story!
I can feel how fulfilling it was for the photographer to hear that
reaction.
Personally, I consider doing that type of photo job as a big challenge.




snip...




Soon after, I received a surprising e-mail from that dancer, apologizing
for her reaction, and asking how she can buy multiple prints for 4
photos. At some point, she was even considering an enlargement of one
photo (to a large size, above 8"x12", IIRC).

She wrote:
"It's ironic because I'm the one who snapped at you for taking my
picture.  Sorry about that.  Typically I absolutely hate having my
picture taken.  But I had no idea these would turn out so beautiful-
esp. the black and white one."


Another great story Igor.

There's a local dancer who asked me not to take photos of him. I 
generally do my best to comply, which can be challenging because his 
favorite part of the room to dance in generally has the best light.


A couple years back he tagged himself in one of my photos on facebook. 
He wasn't the primary subject, but was in the background.  I apologized 
for posting the photo, I hadn't noticed him in it, and he said no 
problem, it was a good photo and he didn't really mind good photos being 
posted.


Some people don't want any photos of them posted, some don't want any 
identifiable photos posted, and some just don't want bad photos posted.


A couple of years ago at another dance event (PBEX) there was a young 
woman that was seriously getting in my face about taking photos at the 
dances. Long story short, other people told me that she had been causing 
trouble for a lot of people, the event organizers apologized to me for 
the way she had treated me and said that I should have told her that I 
was one of the official event photographers.  I hadn't formally signed 
on, but they know me and in effect consider me "credentialled".


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Re: portrait photography

[Gonz]

I certainly aspire to something like that.  I just don't think I have
the creative juices to do it.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 5:56 PM, Bill <anotherdrunken...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/10/2018 11:37 AM, Gonz wrote:
>>
>> Nice positive article, a nice break from so much "Instagram" stuff..
>>
>> https://petapixel.com/2018/04/10/a-message-to-portrait-photographers/
>>
>>
> That was why I shot portraits for 4+ decades.
>
> bill
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Re: portrait photography

[Gonz]

Awesome story Igor.

Cheers,

Gonz


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 PM, Igor PDML-StR <pdml...@komkon.org> wrote:
>
> Nice story!
> I can feel how fulfilling it was for the photographer to hear that reaction.
> Personally, I consider doing that type of photo job as a big challenge.
>
>
> The story brought up from the memory the situation I experienced several
> years ago:
> As many people here probably know, I've been photographing dancers for many
> years. Occasionally, I had people asking me not to photograph them.
> In most such cases, you wouldn't see any "obvious" concerns about how they
> looked (you know, the usual social stereotypes of bad looks: 6 arms, 40
> legs, 7 eyes, bad hair, ... ). But I respect those requests. And they are
> usually done in a very polite way.
>
>
> Once, at a relatively small outdoors dance party, about 8 years ago,
> I had a very unusual situation.
> I was taking photographs of the dancers (being just outside the perimeter of
> the dance floor). At some point two dancers were dancing together, and that
> couple that was both dancing well, and looking well (and being quite
> "photogenic" even outside of the dance floor).
> So, during the song sequence that they danced together, I was photographing
> them a bit more than others. Very suddenly in the middle of
> a song (which is a rather rare case altogether in the social dance culture
> and especially in the dance community in question), the women stopped
> dancing, turned to me, and asked to stop photographing in a rather strong
> voice. And then she went back and resumed dancing. I was surprised by such a
> reaction, but honored that request. I saw that a few other dancers were also
> puzzled by such an abrupt reaction. (It was one of the "home" dance
> communities for us, - so quite a few dancers in that community knew me.)
>
>
> A week later, I posted the gallery of photos from that dance party online,
> to my photography web site. While preparing it, I was debating with myself
> if I should include the photos of that dancer (and especially with that
> partner) that I had taken prior to the request.
> I was still feeling very puzzled if not shocked by the somewhat rude way of
> expressing that preference. Besides, the request was not about not using the
> photos but not taking them anymore, and it came close to the end of the
> dance party, not in the beginning. After long internal deliberations, I
> decided to include those photos.
>
> Soon after, I received a surprising e-mail from that dancer, apologizing
> for her reaction, and asking how she can buy multiple prints for 4 photos.
> At some point, she was even considering an enlargement of one photo (to a
> large size, above 8"x12", IIRC).
>
> She wrote:
> "It's ironic because I'm the one who snapped at you for taking my picture.
> Sorry about that.  Typically I absolutely hate having my picture taken.  But
> I had no idea these would turn out so beautiful- esp. the black and white
> one."
>
> (In my personal opinion, the photos were not special, - just my usual photos
> from dance events, except for the black-and-white, which
> was indeed a very interesting and rather unusual one.)
>
>
> And then, in person, at the next dance party in that community, we
> chatted, and she said: "In the future, please feel free to take photos of me
> dancing."
> It was very pleasant to hear that despite the initial strong negative
> reaction, that woman enjoyed my photos of her.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Igor
>
> Gonz Tue, 10 Apr 2018 10:38:33 -0700 wrote:
>
> Nice positive article, a nice break from so much "Instagram" stuff..
>
>
> https://petapixel.com/2018/04/10/a-message-to-portrait-photographers/
>
>
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Re: portrait photography

[Igor PDML-StR]

Nice story!
I can feel how fulfilling it was for the photographer to hear that 
reaction.

Personally, I consider doing that type of photo job as a big challenge.


The story brought up from the memory the situation I experienced several 
years ago:
As many people here probably know, I've been photographing dancers for 
many years. Occasionally, I had people asking me not to photograph them.
In most such cases, you wouldn't see any "obvious" concerns about how they 
looked (you know, the usual social stereotypes of bad looks: 6 arms, 40 
legs, 7 eyes, bad hair, ... ). But I respect those requests. And they are 
usually done in a very polite way.



Once, at a relatively small outdoors dance party, about 8 years ago,
I had a very unusual situation.
I was taking photographs of the dancers (being just outside the perimeter 
of the dance floor). At some point two dancers were dancing together, 
and that couple that was both dancing well, and looking well (and being 
quite "photogenic" even outside of the dance floor).
So, during the song sequence that they danced together, I was 
photographing them a bit more than others. Very suddenly in the middle of
a song (which is a rather rare case altogether in the social dance 
culture and especially in the dance community in question), the 
women stopped dancing, turned to me, and asked to stop photographing in a 
rather strong voice. And then she went back and resumed dancing. I was 
surprised by such a reaction, but honored that request. I saw that a few 
other dancers were also puzzled by such an abrupt reaction. (It was 
one of the "home" dance communities for us, - so quite a few dancers in 
that community knew me.)



A week later, I posted the gallery of photos from that dance party online, 
to my photography web site. While preparing it, I was debating with myself 
if I should include the photos of that dancer (and especially with that 
partner) that I had taken prior to the request.
I was still feeling very puzzled if not shocked by the somewhat rude way 
of expressing that preference. Besides, the request was not about not 
using the photos but not taking them anymore, and it came close to the 
end of the dance party, not in the beginning. After long internal 
deliberations, I decided to include those photos.


Soon after, I received a surprising e-mail from that dancer, apologizing
for her reaction, and asking how she can buy multiple prints for 4 photos. 
At some point, she was even considering an enlargement of 
one photo (to a large size, above 8"x12", IIRC).


She wrote:
"It's ironic because I'm the one who snapped at you for taking my 
picture.  Sorry about that.  Typically I absolutely hate having my picture 
taken.  But I had no idea these would turn out so beautiful- esp. the 
black and white one."


(In my personal opinion, the photos were not special, - just my 
usual photos from dance events, except for the black-and-white, which

was indeed a very interesting and rather unusual one.)


And then, in person, at the next dance party in that community, we
chatted, and she said: "In the future, please feel free to take photos of 
me dancing."
It was very pleasant to hear that despite the initial strong 
negative reaction, that woman enjoyed my photos of her.



Cheers,

Igor

Gonz Tue, 10 Apr 2018 10:38:33 -0700 wrote:

Nice positive article, a nice break from so much "Instagram" stuff..


https://petapixel.com/2018/04/10/a-message-to-portrait-photographers/



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