from:"W. eWatson"

On 12/27/2011 7:31 PM, W. eWatson wrote:

On 12/27/2011 6:27 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 6:21 PM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com
wrote:

Well, it found several problems. These DLLs
MSVCP1
EFSADU
MSJAVA.

I'm guessing MSVCP1 is a typo for MSVCP71? If that is missing then
that is probably the culprit. That DLL is the C runtime library. It
is supposed to be shipped with applications that need it, but it is so
ubiquitous that it is often assumed to be present or forgotten. You
can download it from
http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?msvcp71 (or just
find it on another Windows XP PC) and copy it into
C:\Windows\System32. Don't forget to run regsvr32 to register it.

HTH,
Ian

You are very likely right about the spelling. I wrote it down, and
carried it to this PC. Sometimes I can't read my own writing.

...
Well, thing went slightly awry. The link gave me two choices. Download
msv...dll fixer, and download fixer. I took the latter. However, just
checking on the other one, found that I got the same exe file. I
installed it on the XP PC, and pressed what looked like a reasonable
place to start. It would download the dll, and register it.

Well, it seemed more interested in the registry. It scanned four areas
of the registry, and found 123 problems in total. To fix them would
require buying something.

I noticed a large button near the top that said download dll. It found
one the internet, and guess what? More purchase for the download.

It seems like dll-fixer has a corner on the market.

I found this
http://pcsupport.about.com/od/findbyerrormessage/a/msvcp71-dll-not-found-missing-error.htm,
but he almost has too much to say. He issues a warning about getting a
dll off the web. He does offer this.

Run the sfc /scannow System File Checker command to replace a missing or
corrupt copy of the msvcp71.dll file. If this DLL file is provided my
Microsoft, the System File Checker tool should restore it.

I guess I'm missing something here.

OK, I'm borrowing one from my XP laptop. Back later.

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Re: Which libraries for Python 2.5.2

A new dilemma. The PC XP in question with Python has the the msvcp71.dll 
file in System32. The one I took off my other laptop has a slightly 
newer one. Feb 2003 vs Aug 2003.


Perhaps the (python PC) has a corrupt one?

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Re: Which libraries for Python 2.5.2

On 12/28/2011 9:37 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 9:33 AM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com wrote:

Well, thing went slightly awry. The link gave me two choices. Download
msv...dll fixer, and download fixer. I took the latter. However, just
checking on the other one, found that I got the same exe file. I installed
it on the XP PC, and pressed what looked like a reasonable place to start.
It would download the dll, and register it.

Well, it seemed more interested in the registry. It scanned four areas of
the registry, and found 123 problems in total. To fix them would require
buying something.

I noticed a large button near the top that said download dll. It found one
the internet, and guess what? More purchase for the download.

It seems like dll-fixer has a corner on the market.

Definitely don't download that spamware fixer program -- who knows
what that does? You want the grey Download zip-file link, not the
not the flashy Download fixer ad links. Anyway, it sounds like
you've found another copy of the DLL.

If I were you, I would uninstall that fixer ASAP and then run an
anti-malware and anti-virus tool or two, just in case.

I don't believe it is provided by Microsoft, but it wouldn't hurt to try.

A new dilemma. The PC XP in question with Python has the the msvcp71.dll
file in System32. The one I took off my other laptop has a slightly newer
one. Feb 2003 vs Aug 2003.

Weird. Try registering the existing dll, try replacing it with the
other one (be sure to back up the original first), etc.

I haven't installed the newer version yet, Aug 2003. I thought I'd see
what happened if I entered sfc /scannow. Whatever, happened the black
window flashed by in a split second.

Somehow this doesn't seem helpful
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/system_file_checker.mspx?mfr=true.
Although, 20 lines down or so it says:
If sfc discovers that a protected file has been overwritten, it
retrieves the correct version of the file from the
%systemroot%\system32\dllcache folder, and then replaces the incorrect
file.

I'm going to run this by a XP NG.

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Re: Which libraries for Python 2.5.2

On 12/28/2011 12:55 PM, W. eWatson wrote:

On 12/28/2011 9:37 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 9:33 AM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com
wrote:

Well, thing went slightly awry. The link gave me two choices. Download
msv...dll fixer, and download fixer. I took the latter. However, just
checking on the other one, found that I got the same exe file. I
installed
it on the XP PC, and pressed what looked like a reasonable place to
start.
It would download the dll, and register it.

Well, it seemed more interested in the registry. It scanned four
areas of
the registry, and found 123 problems in total. To fix them would require
buying something.

I noticed a large button near the top that said download dll. It
found one
the internet, and guess what? More purchase for the download.

It seems like dll-fixer has a corner on the market.

If I were you, I would uninstall that fixer ASAP and then run an
anti-malware and anti-virus tool or two, just in case.

I don't believe it is provided by Microsoft, but it wouldn't hurt to try.

A new dilemma. The PC XP in question with Python has the the msvcp71.dll
file in System32. The one I took off my other laptop has a slightly
newer
one. Feb 2003 vs Aug 2003.

Weird. Try registering the existing dll, try replacing it with the
other one (be sure to back up the original first), etc.

I haven't installed the newer version yet, Aug 2003. I thought I'd see
what happened if I entered sfc /scannow. Whatever, happened the black
window flashed by in a split second.

I'm going to run this by a XP NG.

That certainly didn't help.

I'm going to save the msvcp71.dll from the Python laptop somewhere, then
insert the one from my other XP laptop. Finally, I'll register it.
regsvr32. Just to review, I presume not from cmd, but Run?

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Re: Which libraries for Python 2.5.2


On 12/28/2011 9:09 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:

On 12/28/2011 08:04 PM, W. eWatson wrote:

I'm going to save the msvcp71.dll from the Python laptop somewhere, then
insert the one from my other XP laptop. Finally, I'll register it.
regsvr32. Just to review, I presume not from cmd, but Run?


Seems like the bulk of your problems are coming from not using cmd
(flashing black error windows).  Anything non-GUI that could return an
error message should be done from cmd.  The Run dialog is mainly to be
used to launch a cmd window!

it appears more than just regsvr32 is need. Alone it fails with a msg. 
It needs an argument. I tried


regsvr32 msvcp71.dll

It didn't like that either. Got msvcp71.dll was located but the dll 
server entry was not found. File could not be registered.


Arguments are /u,/s/i/n.
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Which libraries for Python 2.5.2

I'm trying to restore Python 2.5.2 on an old XP PC for a particular 
application from 4-5 years ago that uses it .


According to the latest manual on it, the following should be installed.

python-2.5.2.msi
PIL-1.1.6.win32-py2.5.exe
numpy-1.1.0-win32-superpack-python2.5.exe
matplotlib-0.98.1.win32-py2.5.exe

When I install them, and try to run the app program, Sentinel.py, some 
part of matplotlib complains (error msgs) and the program quits.


The program begins with:
from Tkinter import *
from numpy import *
import Image
import ImageChops
import ImageTk
import time
import binascii
import tkMessageBox
import tkSimpleDialog
from pylab import plot, xlabel, ylabel, title, show, xticks, bar

I tried numpy-1.2.0 and matplotlib-0.98.3 and had the same difficulty. 
What are wiser choices?


Here's the traceback.

Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Feb 21 2008, 13:11:45) [MSC v.1310 32 bit 
(Intel)] on win32

Type copyright, credits or license() for more information.


Personal firewall software may warn about the connection IDLE
makes to its subprocess using this computer's internal loopback
interface.  This connection is not visible on any external
interface and no data is sent to or received from the Internet.


IDLE 1.2.2   No Subprocess 

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File C:\Sentinel\Sent_user-20080716.py, line 16, in module

(SEE THIS from the above list of imports, and the from)*---
from pylab import plot, xlabel, ylabel, title, show, xticks, bar
  File C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\pylab.py, line 1, in module
from matplotlib.pylab import *
  File C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\matplotlib\pylab.py, line 206, 
in module

from matplotlib import mpl  # pulls in most modules
  File C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\matplotlib\mpl.py, line 1, in 
module

from matplotlib import artist
  File C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\matplotlib\artist.py, line 4, in 
module
from transforms import Bbox, IdentityTransform, TransformedBbox, 
TransformedPath
  File C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\matplotlib\transforms.py, line 
34, in module

from matplotlib._path import affine_transform
ImportError: DLL load failed: The specified module could not be found.

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Re: Which libraries for Python 2.5.2


On 12/27/2011 8:42 AM, Lie Ryan wrote:

On 12/28/2011 03:03 AM, W. eWatson wrote:

Here's the traceback.


The traceback seems to imply that matplotlib is not being installed
properly. Have you tried uninstalling then reinstalling matplotlib?


I believe I have, but I'll give it another go.
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Re: Which libraries for Python 2.5.2


On 12/27/2011 8:53 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 9:03 AM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:

  File C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\matplotlib\transforms.py, line 34, in
module
from matplotlib._path import affine_transform
ImportError: DLL load failed: The specified module could not be found.


Do you not have the file
C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\matplotlib\_path.pyd?  It's in the
installer archive, so you should be able to just open it up with a zip
program and extract it manually.  If that's missing, then there may be
other things wrong with your installation, though, so I would
recommend a full reinstall.

The path exits. _path.pyd exists.
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Re: Which libraries for Python 2.5.2


On 12/27/2011 8:42 AM, Lie Ryan wrote:

On 12/28/2011 03:03 AM, W. eWatson wrote:

Here's the traceback.


The traceback seems to imply that matplotlib is not being installed
properly. Have you tried uninstalling then reinstalling matplotlib?



I just did, and the results are this:
=
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File C:\Sentinel\Sent_user-20080716.py, line 16, in module
from pylab import plot, xlabel, ylabel, title, show, xticks, bar
  File C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\pylab.py, line 1, in module
from matplotlib.pylab import *
  File C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\matplotlib\pylab.py, line 204, 
in module

from matplotlib import mpl  # pulls in most modules
  File C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\matplotlib\mpl.py, line 1, in 
module

from matplotlib import artist
  File C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\matplotlib\artist.py, line 4, in 
module
from transforms import Bbox, IdentityTransform, TransformedBbox, 
TransformedPath
  File C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\matplotlib\transforms.py, line 
34, in module

from matplotlib._path import affine_transform
ImportError: DLL load failed: The specified module could not be found.
=

I'm suspicious of this line, and maybe even the app program. There may 
have been a change to the code that required the later two versions of 
numpy and matplotlib. In fact, I'm using the later version here, so I'll 
see if I can back up to the first Python app they produced.


from pylab import plot, xlabel, ylabel, title, show, xticks, bar
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Re: Which libraries for Python 2.5.2


...


I'm suspicious of this line, and maybe even the app program. There may
have been a change to the code that required the later two versions of
numpy and matplotlib. In fact, I'm using the later version here, so I'll
see if I can back up to the first Python app they produced.

from pylab import plot, xlabel, ylabel, title, show, xticks, bar


I found what I thought might be the original, but that got changed in a 
later version on July 16, 2008, which became what I continued to use. 
The libs are as in my first post. I looked at the original Python app, 
and it used Python 2.4.2 but sure doesn't use the same lib versions as 
the 2008 version.


The puzzler for me is why I can find numpy and matplotlib on my PC 
slightly latter than shown in the first post. It's like another release 
of the app came later. Unfortunately, I'm stuck on that, since our 
sponsors seem to be out for the entire holiday season.



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Re: Which libraries for Python 2.5.2


On 12/27/2011 10:36 AM, Christian Heimes wrote:

Am 27.12.2011 17:03, schrieb W. eWatson:

  from matplotlib._path import affine_transform
ImportError: DLL load failed: The specified module could not be found.


You are missing one or more DLLs that is required to load the _path.pyd
module. You can use http://www.dependencywalker.com/ to track down
missing DLLs.

Christian

OK, I installed it. Is there an easy way to go to track down this dll. 
There's a Help, but I can't print it from the PC I have it on.

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Re: Which libraries for Python 2.5.2

I realized that I had a working copy of the app on another XP PC, so I 
looked at what I had installed for Python.


It was not what I had posted the first time. There must have been some 
shift after the July 16, 2008 date. One lib that was missing was scipy.


I just collected the three libs I saw there.

numpy
matplotlib
scipy

Scipy uses as its installer.
scipy-0.6.0.win32-py2.5.exe

I replaced numpy and matplotlib, and added scipy. I still get errors, 
but perhaps because the install order is now wrong. It was

numpy
matplotlib

Does anyone know the right order?

The complaint msgs were very close to what I posted before, and 
matplotlib was again the last of the bunch. DLL for it not found.


Possibly I need the dependencywalker that Christian mentioned.
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Re: Which libraries for Python 2.5.2


On 12/27/2011 2:58 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 2:35 PM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:

I replaced numpy and matplotlib, and added scipy. I still get errors, but
perhaps because the install order is now wrong. It was
numpy
matplotlib

Does anyone know the right order?


The order (numpy, scipy, matplotlib) reflects the dependencies, but
since the installers are just fancied-up self-extracting zips, I don't
think it should matter.


OK, I installed it. Is there an easy way to go to track down this dll.
There's a Help, but I can't print it from the PC I have it on.


It should be reasonably self-explanatory, I think.  Just start
Dependency Walker, open up the _path.pyd file, and it will show you
the full dependency tree.  Below that is a list of all the modules,
and any missing dependencies should helpfully show up right at the top
of the list.

Note that missing delay-load dependencies (those with an hourglass
icon) are not necessarily problems.  Since the error occurs at
load-time, you're looking for a missing module that would be loaded
immediately.
I was too timid. When I saw File-Open, I thought I was going to have to 
open a file, thinking what file could it be?


Well, it found several problems. These DLLs
MSVCP1
EFSADU
MSJAVA.

There may be 100 file.

Issues found:
required dependency not found
delay-dependency not found
one nodule unresolved ... missing delay-dependency module

Perhaps the next step is to download a fresh version of matplotlib?
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Re: Which libraries for Python 2.5.2


On 12/27/2011 6:27 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 6:21 PM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:

Well, it found several problems. These DLLs
MSVCP1
EFSADU
MSJAVA.


I'm guessing MSVCP1 is a typo for MSVCP71?  If that is missing then
that is probably the culprit.  That DLL is the C runtime library.  It
is supposed to be shipped with applications that need it, but it is so
ubiquitous that it is often assumed to be present or forgotten.  You
can download it from
http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?msvcp71 (or just
find it on another Windows XP PC) and copy it into
C:\Windows\System32.  Don't forget to run regsvr32 to register it.

HTH,
Ian
You are very likely right about the spelling. I wrote it down, and 
carried it to this PC. Sometimes I can't read my own writing.


I've never used regsvr32, but I would guess it's entered into the Run 
(simple dialog for MS tools like regedit) selection off the Start menu.

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Re: Is my IDLE problem caused by .idlerc? Permissions.

2011-12-26 Thread W. eWatson


On 12/24/2011 11:35 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:

On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:55:48 -0800, W. eWatson
wolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:



Permissions as follows:
SYSTEM: All. From Full control to write
Account Unknown(S-1-5-21...): readexec, Read
Wayne: (normal use) All. From Full control to write
Admin: All. From Full control to write
WMPNetwork:  Read

Comments?

.idlerc permissions are slightly different for Account Unknown.


Account Unknown refers to a user account that has been deleted
(or, via some other system corruption, is no longer associated with a
login name -- happened to me earlier this year: my user account name
had been Wulfraed but the user account directory was under Dennis Lee
Bieber... When the registry crashed it disconnected name Wulfraed
from directory Dennis Lee Bieber... Lost a month of email once I got
done creating a new user account where directory and name matched and
restored from backup [I failed to back-up the old user directory before
trying a remove/create user]).

My suggestion would be, first, remove privileges for that remnant
account where-ever found; check higher directory levels too, and try to
propagate the privilege downwards.

Second -- could the file itself be set for read-only on the simple
properties? I just tested with Win7 -- setting the general read-only
did not make any changes to any of the security tab users. Third,
confirm the owner of the file is your current user account; if not,see
if you can get take ownership option for the file to work.


I wonder if removing the Account Unknown account might just do it. Not 
quite familiar with Owner, but I'll look around.


I'll check the file for read only.
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Re: Is my IDLE problem caused by .idlerc? Permissions.

2011-12-26 Thread W. eWatson


On 12/26/2011 10:16 AM, W. eWatson wrote:

On 12/24/2011 11:35 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:

On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:55:48 -0800, W. eWatson
wolftra...@invalid.com wrote:



Permissions as follows:
SYSTEM: All. From Full control to write
Account Unknown(S-1-5-21...): readexec, Read
Wayne: (normal use) All. From Full control to write
Admin: All. From Full control to write
WMPNetwork: Read

Comments?

.idlerc permissions are slightly different for Account Unknown.


Account Unknown refers to a user account that has been deleted
(or, via some other system corruption, is no longer associated with a
login name -- happened to me earlier this year: my user account name
had been Wulfraed but the user account directory was under Dennis Lee
Bieber... When the registry crashed it disconnected name Wulfraed
from directory Dennis Lee Bieber... Lost a month of email once I got
done creating a new user account where directory and name matched and
restored from backup [I failed to back-up the old user directory before
trying a remove/create user]).

My suggestion would be, first, remove privileges for that remnant
account where-ever found; check higher directory levels too, and try to
propagate the privilege downwards.

Second -- could the file itself be set for read-only on the simple
properties? I just tested with Win7 -- setting the general read-only
did not make any changes to any of the security tab users. Third,
confirm the owner of the file is your current user account; if not,see
if you can get take ownership option for the file to work.



I wonder if removing the Account Unknown account might just do it. Not
quite familiar with Owner, but I'll look around.

I'll check the file for read only.
Solved. Moving .idlerc to another folder for safe keeping, and letting 
IDLE create a new .idlerc folder did it. I don't have the slightest idea 
why that worked, but the troublesome file was dated 2/2010, probably 
from installing 2.5.2, and never touched again by attempts either to 
re-install 2.5.2 or move up to 2.7.2.

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Is my IDLE problem caused by .idlerc? Permissions.

2011-12-24 Thread W. eWatson

I installed 64-bit Python 2.7.2 on Win 7. IDLE does appear as the second 
choice on right-click of a py file menu. However, nothing happens if I 
use it. If I try to execute idle from the cmd window, it complains about 
.idlerc\recent-files.lst


IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'C:\\Users\\Wayne\\.idlerc\\recent-files.lst'


These are permissions for it.

Permissions as follows:
SYSTEM: All. From Full control to write
Account Unknown(S-1-5-21...): readexec, Read
Wayne: (normal use) All. From Full control to write
Admin: All. From Full control to write
WMPNetwork:  Read

Comments?

.idlerc permissions are slightly different for Account Unknown.
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Re: Cannot Remove Python Libs from XP

2011-12-23 Thread W. eWatson


On 12/22/2011 1:21 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:

On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:53:04 -0800, W. eWatson
wolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:


I have three py libs and the python program itself, 2.52, installed on
an 6 year old HP Laptop. I decided to remove them, and took removed
Python with the Control Panel ?Add/Remove icon. Worked fine. When I try
to remove any of the remaining libs, press the add/remove button does
nothing but blink. How  do I get around this  problem?


It would probably have been better to remove the libraries first
(especially if their installers /used/ Python to do the install; the
uninstaller would then likely also have used that version of Python). In
short, uninstalling a set of related packages should be done in the
reverse order of how they were installed.

If you don't have anything private stored in the remains of the
Python2.5.2 install directory... Just delete the entire directory tree
(which should get rid of any left-over files from the other libraries).

Removing them from the Add/Remove control might be achieved by using
a registry cleaner; if not, manually scanning the registry for those
package names and deleting the registry keys may suffice (back up the
registry first -- export everything from the top down). Then run a
registry cleaner, as there may be stray GUID keys that eventually mapped
to the deleted keys.

Lets see {booting even older WinXP laptop -- I'm using a Win7
laptop with data-card for current online activity}

HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\...

Look for the particular packages (and anything else you may also
have removed just in case something got left behind) and delete the
keys. (Interesting -- I have an entry for wxPython, but no entry for
Python or ActiveState... They may be stuffed elsewhere -- I also seem to
have a corrupted search path; maybe happened last time I tried using the
laptop to debug one of your queries; Pythonwin isn't finding win32ui)


I think this turns out to be something of a laugher. I did re-install 
Python 2.5.2; however, the action was similar when I tried to remove the 
libs. I happened to move the screen slightly, and noticed a small hidden 
dialog behind the Add/Remove screen with a message in it. Are you sure 
you want to remove this program?.  Argh. How foolish it was to hide 
that simple dialog. So hitting the add/remove button repeatedly really 
was useless.

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Cannot Remove Python Libs from XP

2011-12-22 Thread W. eWatson

I have three py libs and the python program itself, 2.52, installed on 
an 6 year old HP Laptop. I decided to remove them, and took removed 
Python with the Control Panel ?Add/Remove icon. Worked fine. When I try 
to remove any of the remaining libs, press the add/remove button does 
nothing but blink. How  do I get around this  problem?

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Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE.

2011-11-24 Thread W. eWatson


On 11/23/2011 2:29 PM, Alan Meyer wrote:

On 11/23/2011 12:38 PM, W. eWatson wrote:

So unless Alan Meyer has further interest in this, it looks like it's at
an end.

It may be time to move on to c++.



C++ is a ton of fun. You haven't lived until you've made a syntax error
in a template instantiation and seen a hundred cascading error messages
from included files that you didn't know you included.

Unlike Python, it really builds character.

I say, go for it!

Alan
So posting the results of the adventure you put me on has no further way 
to proceed?

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Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE.

2011-11-24 Thread W. eWatson

Whoops, I thought I was replying to Matt Meyers just above you. However, 
I think he chimed in above about ActiveState back on the 22nd.


In any case, I think this thread has ceased to be productive.

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Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE.

2011-11-24 Thread W. eWatson


On 11/23/2011 10:29 AM, Arnaud Delobelle wrote:

On 23 November 2011 17:38, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:
[...]

It may be time to move on to c++.


Good Luck.  Bye!


We, pardn meee. -- Steve Martin
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Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE.

2011-11-23 Thread W. eWatson


On 11/22/2011 10:43 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:46:01 -0800, W. eWatson
wolftra...@invalid.com  declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:



Of course, Dennis'
C:\Python26\Lib\site-packages\pythonwin\Pythonwin.exe
wouldn't work either.


If you didn't install an ActiveState packaged version, nor hand
installed the win32 extension package into a Python.org installed
system, you won't have PythonWin.


I did a Win 7 search Pythonwin.exe, and found nothing. However,
sometimes that search fails even when though there is something on the
PC that matches the search.

There is a pythonw.exe under C:\Python32.


And has been mentioned at least three times in the last week --
pythonw.exe is the version of the Python interpreter that is supposed to
be the default application for .pyw files. It is the version that does
NOT open a console window for stdin/stdout (IOWs, it is meant for use by
Python scripts that use a graphical library for all I/O -- Tk, wxPython,
etc.). If you ran a graphical script using the plain python.exe it would
open a console window that would just sit there until the script exited.
Glad to hear you're keeping count. :-) I'll pin it on my wall. Don't use 
graphics.

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Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 withregard to IDLE.

2011-11-23 Thread W. eWatson


On 11/23/2011 8:08 AM, John Gordon wrote:

Inmailman.2962.1322031180.27778.python-l...@python.org  Alemu 
Tadesseatade...@sunedison.com  writes:


scientific package is not working and complaining about not able to
find/load DLL ... frustrating for the first day in the python world. ANY
tip ?


Post the exact error message you're getting.  Also post your code, if it's
not too long.


And post it in a new thread.
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Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE.

2011-11-23 Thread W. eWatson

So unless Alan Meyer has further interest in this, it looks like it's at 
an end.


It may be time to move on to c++.

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Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE.


On 11/21/2011 11:21 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:39:37 -0800, W. eWatson
wolftra...@invalid.com  declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:



My criterion for success is that it puts IDLE as a choice for editor on
the menu produced with a right-click on a py file. So far no response on
this has solved the problem.

I know it sets up that way on a 2.5 and 2.4 on other PCs I have.


I have three computers here:

-=-=-=-=-=- Desktop
WinXP Pro 32-bit, 3.4GHz hyper-threaded P4
ActiveState ActivePython 2.5.2.2 (Python 2.5.2)


All of the above use ActiveState. I use whatever the Python organization 
provides on their download site. I would not expect the two to compare.




-=-=-=-=-=-

So, out of two generations of 32-bit Python 2.5, and 64 and 32 bit
versions of Python 2.7, on three computers, NONE of mine have a
right-click option for IDLE.


I do know that IDLE appears on the Win 7 Start menu, but, when used,
nothing happens.  Well, OK, for about 3 seconds the Win 7 working icon
spins around then zip, nothing.  Further, right-clicking on Properties
of IDLE (GUI) produces a tabbed dialog.  It shows Start in:
c:\Python32\, and None for shortcut.  There is a compatibility tab,


But what does it show for TARGET!


c:\Python32 Start in, and for Target: Python 3.2.2 (64-bit)
For the shortcut C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start 
Menu\Programs\Python3.2





Going directly to ...\Lib\idlelib\idle.pyw produces the spinning icon.
At least, that's what happens in 3.2.2, but in the 32-bit versions I
tried, I would get invalid Win 32 app.


Possibly because you are trying to start a 32-bit version with a
default open for .pyw files that runs the 64-bit Python.exe; so the
DLLs are mixed architecture.

3.2.2 is 64-bit.




Some have suggested a registry problem, but I don't have a clue how to
play with that, or somehow clean it up, if there is a problem.  My PC
behaves normally


Since none of your problems appear to be related to Python itself,
but rather to the Windows configuration of the Python system, I'd have
to disagree.


I'm using Win 7 Premium.


Home, Pro, Ultimate (or whatever the top level is?


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Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE.


On 11/21/2011 3:07 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:

On 11/21/2011 11:39 AM, W. eWatson wrote:


My criterion for success is that it puts IDLE as a choice for editor on
the menu produced with a right-click on a py file.


Your first criterion for success should be that IDLE runs at all, which
is apparently does not. How you run it is secondary.

Right-click responses are controlled by Windows using data in the
registry. Windows modifies the registry in response to installers *and
users*. The ActiveState installers request 'Edit with PythonWin'. They
do not request 'Edit with IDLE' and it is foolish to complain to us when
you use ActiveState and get their choice of context choices.


ActiveState. Am I missing something? I'm running 64-bit Python 
downloaded from the Python organization's web site.l




The PSF .msi installers (.msi = MicroSoftInstall format) from python.org
request 'Edit with IDLE' but cannot make Windows put it in. If your
registry is messed up enough, it does not happen. But no error message.

I have explained to you another way to work with IDLE once it runs. It
you refuse to use it, that is your problem, not ours.


I know it sets up that way on a 2.5 and 2.4 on other PCs I have.


You installed with the PSF installer with an ok registry.


PSF? What does ok registry mean?




I know at one time it worked on my 64-bit Win 7 PC, which likely had a
32-bit version installed on it. After something like six months of
modest use it stopped working as above. No IDLE choice.


So some *other* program messed things up. Stop blaming us.
Heavy or modest use in the meantime is irrelevant.
I'm blaming you??? I was just providing data for whatever it might be 
worth. I'm also suggesting that I do not have years of experience with 
Python.



I know by installing a 64-bit version, 3.2.2 failed the IDLE criterions
as described. No IDLE.


Did you uninstall the 32 bit version, and best, all Python versions?


I do know that IDLE appears on the Win 7 Start menu, but, when used,
nothing happens. Well, OK, for about 3 seconds the Win 7 working icon
spins around then zip, nothing.


This is your real problem. Stop worrying about the context menu.


I would expect consistency through all Python org releases. Should I put 
consistency in really bold letters with a 30 point font? :-)




  Further, right-clicking on Properties of

IDLE (GUI) produces a tabbed dialog. It shows Start in: c:\Python32\,


This is the Shortcut tab. A shortcut is like a bound method. The
function is the target: 'python 3.2.2 (64 bit)' on my machine. The
starting directory is like a bound argument, although it is passed to
the launcher that launches the function. What the Properties dialog does
not show are the actual 'bound arguments' that are passed to the target
as options. So one cannot know what the shortcut is actually trying to
do. This is one of the Really Stupid things about Windows that should
have been fixed long ago but has not.


I never use the shortcut on the Start menu. I mentioned the Start menu, 
since it might have some relevance.





and None for shortcut.


None for Shortcut key, such as alt-I to invoke the shortcut.


There is a compatibility tab, which I've set to
Win7. I think there's a troubleshooter there too, but I haven't used it.
Under the Details tab, it shows Name: IDLE(Python Gui).lnk. Folder Path
as: c:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start... Nothing after the 


Details: Folder Path is the same as General: Location. Mouse over the
latter the the full path appears. That Properties windows are still
fixed at 480 pixel wide, regardless of screen size, is another Really
Stupid thing.


Yes, I finally realized I could mouse over it.




Going directly to ...\Lib\idlelib\idle.pyw produces the spinning icon.
At least, that's what happens in 3.2.2, but in the 32-bit versions I
tried, I would get invalid Win 32 app.


If the registry entry for .pyw is messed up, trying to run the file by
clicking on it is not likely to work. Try running from Command Prompt,
as I believe others suggested.


I'm not trying to run the program, I'm trying to edit. Several times in 
these threads I've mentioned I can execute python from the command line.





When I rebooted my system a few hours after installing 3.2.2, because
the PC was running really slowly--not because of Python, I was greeted
by a couple of interesting messages as the desktop was populated.

I can execute Python from the command line.

1. Specified module could not be found: Load Lib, python.dll.

2. \ProgramFiles(x86)\uniblueDrivers\Scanner (x86) Python26.dll.


The uniblue drivers program will match your drivers against a database
of up-to-date drivers and offer to upgrade them. I have used uniblue's
registry scanner program. Treating pythonxy.dll as a driver, if they
are, is an error. These are paid programs. The free demos only scan to
tell you what they would do if you bought them.


Yes. Just Winamp looking for $$$.



  I'm sure this is related to Winamp

Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE.


On 11/21/2011 7:00 PM, alex23 wrote:

W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:

Comments?


Please don't start multiple threads on the same issue.
Your joking, right, or do you just prefer 500 line threads wandering all 
over the place?

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Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE.


On 11/22/2011 11:29 AM, Alan Meyer wrote:

On 11/22/2011 1:55 PM, Alan Meyer wrote:
...

6. Select, or navigate to and select, the python IDLE interpreter.

...
On my system that's
C:\Python26\Lib\site-packages\pythonwin\Pythonwin.exe

Alan

OK, I'm going to try it soon. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE.


On 11/22/2011 7:29 PM, W. eWatson wrote:

On 11/22/2011 11:29 AM, Alan Meyer wrote:

On 11/22/2011 1:55 PM, Alan Meyer wrote:
...

6. Select, or navigate to and select, the python IDLE interpreter.

...
On my system that's
C:\Python26\Lib\site-packages\pythonwin\Pythonwin.exe

Alan

OK, I'm going to try it soon. Keeping my fingers crossed.


Well, all there was there was a README.txt file that told me the purpose 
of the folder.

This directory exists so that 3rd party packages can be installed
here.  Read the source for site.py for more details.

Of course, Dennis'
C:\Python26\Lib\site-packages\pythonwin\Pythonwin.exe
wouldn't work either.

I did a Win 7 search Pythonwin.exe, and found nothing. However, 
sometimes that search fails even when though there is something on the 
PC that matches the search.


There is a pythonw.exe under C:\Python32.
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What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE.

2011-11-21 Thread W. eWatson



My criterion for success is that it puts IDLE as a choice for editor on 
the menu produced with a right-click on a py file. So far no response on 
this has solved the problem.


I know it sets up that way on a 2.5 and 2.4 on other PCs I have.

I know at one time it worked on my 64-bit Win 7 PC,  which likely had a 
32-bit version installed on it.  After something like six months of 
modest use it stopped working as above. No IDLE choice.


I know by installing a 64-bit version, 3.2.2 failed the IDLE criterions 
as described. No IDLE.


I do know that IDLE appears on the Win 7 Start menu, but, when used, 
nothing happens.  Well, OK, for about 3 seconds the Win 7 working icon 
spins around then zip, nothing.  Further, right-clicking on Properties 
of IDLE (GUI) produces a tabbed dialog.  It shows Start in: 
c:\Python32\, and None for shortcut.  There is a compatibility tab, 
which I've set to Win7.  I think there's a troubleshooter there too, but 
I haven't used it. Under the Details tab, it shows Name: IDLE(Python 
Gui).lnk. Folder Path as: c:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start... 
Nothing after the   Attributes: A


Going directly to ...\Lib\idlelib\idle.pyw produces the spinning icon. 
At least, that's what happens in 3.2.2, but in the 32-bit versions I 
tried, I would get invalid Win 32 app.


When I rebooted my system a few hours after installing 3.2.2, because 
the PC was running really slowly--not because of Python, I was greeted 
by a couple of interesting messages as the desktop was populated.


I can execute Python from the command line.

1. Specified module could not be found: Load Lib, python.dll.

2. \ProgramFiles(x86)\uniblueDrivers\Scanner (x86) Python26.dll. I'm 
sure this is related to Winamp, which I had installed a month ago.  It 
had some crazy choice to scan for new drivers.   Of course, if it 
found one-connected with Python, and if you wanted it, $$$.  I think 
this message is a red herring. I may re-install Winamp to get rid of 
that uniblue tool that seems like nothing more than an ad.


Some have suggested a registry problem, but I don't have a clue how to 
play with that, or somehow clean it up, if there is a problem.  My PC 
behaves normally


I'm using Win 7 Premium.

So unless some brilliant idea appears, that leaves me with the choice of 
not using Python or this suggestion... (Let's not get off into other 
variations of other Pythons like Active...):


Someone suggested using the mail list at 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list. What's different 
about that list than this NG? Does the org suggest that the 
inhabitants of that list are more likely associated with the people who 
are responsible for constructing Python?


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Re: Python 2.7.2 on Win7 and IDLE (Try it)


On 11/19/2011 2:39 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:

On 11/19/2011 12:03 AM, W. eWatson wrote:

I meant 3.2.2, not 3.3.2, sorry for typo.


* Python 3.2.2 Windows x86 MSI Installer (Windows binary -- does not
include source)


this is 32 bit. Note that your c: has /program files for 64 bit programs
and /program files(x86) for 32 bit programs. I know, a bit confusing.


* Python 3.2.2 Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (Windows AMD64 / Intel 64 /
X86-64 binary [1] -- does not include source)


this is 64 bit.


Yes. Did I miss something?
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Re: Python 2.7.2 on Win7 and IDLE (Try it)


On 11/19/2011 2:34 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:

On 11/18/2011 6:44 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:06:47 -0800, W. eWatson wrote:


Undoubtedly some of you have seen my post Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2
flop the same way under Win 7.

One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of
2.7.2 has the same IDLE oddity that I've described. That is, if you
right-click on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?


Terry Reedy has already said that his installation works fine.

I installed 3.3.2 on a new Win 7 machine and Edit with IDLE works fine.


64 bit python and 64 bit win 7


If you have installed the regular, 32-bit version of Python on a 64-bit
version of Windows, chances are good that there will be registry problems
stopping things from working correctly. See Stephen Hansen's post.







Yes, see the other fork started by MRAB I tried it. Same old problem.
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Re: Python 2.7.2 on Win7 and IDLE (Try it)


On 11/19/2011 5:51 AM, Alec Taylor wrote:

Works fine for me from msi install on Windows 8 x64 Dev Preview

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:06 AM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:

Undoubtedly some of you have seen my post Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop
the same way under Win 7.

One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of 2.7.2
has the same IDLE oddity that I've described.  That is, if you right-click
on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?
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3.2.2, and not 2.7.2. The course of the thread was changed at the MRAB 
post.


What do you mean by it works fine? My criterion is that it puts IDLE as 
a choice for editor on the menu produced with a right-click on a py file.

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Re: Python 2.7.2 on Win7 and IDLE (Try it)


On 11/19/2011 5:51 AM, Alec Taylor wrote:

Works fine for me from msi install on Windows 8 x64 Dev Preview

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:06 AM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:

Undoubtedly some of you have seen my post Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop
the same way under Win 7.

One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of 2.7.2
has the same IDLE oddity that I've described.  That is, if you right-click
on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?
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Or is it from some one else?

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Re: Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop the same way under Win 7


On 11/18/2011 5:11 AM, Neil Cerutti wrote:

On 2011-11-18, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:

On 11/17/2011 4:24 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:03:14 -0800, W. eWatson wrote:


I have not found any successful way to get to IDLE. It's on on the
right-click of a py menu, and, if I go the ...lib/idle.pyw, it fails
with a invalid Win32 app msg.


If you associate .pyw files with pythonw.exe, and then open idle.pyw,
does it work?

Failing that, go to your laptop where the associations are right, and see
what they are, then duplicate the settings on your Windows 7 machine.


Sounds like a good idea except I've not used associations in so
long under XP, I have no idea where to start. Control Panel. My
Computer Tools?


Open Windows Explorer.
With the menu, to to Tools-Folder Options
Click the File Types tab in the Folder Options menu.

There will be an upper view with registered filed types, and some
buttons below far making changes to them.


OK, I've found that. I see
Py
Pyc
Pyo
Pyw
If I click on each, it basically it gives a short description of each. 
If I click advanced, there's more info. For example for py, Actions are 
IDLE and Open.


What does this tell me that's relevant to Win7?

If on Win7, I go to Default Programs I see under associations various 
python items. Py shows Unknown application. Since installing 2.7.2 I 
have not messed with these associations. If I right-click on Unknown, I 
see Notepad and python.exe for choices to open the file. I want neither. 
Why isn't IDLE listed there?


If I right-click on junk.py, I see Open with.  Notepad and python.exe 
are choices. However, that menu allows me to choose something else. For 
example, Adobe Reader, or Internet Explorer. I suppose the next question 
is should I use the browse there and try to connect to IDLE in 
...\Lib\idlelib?  My guess is that if I do, I will run into the invalid 
Win32 app, when I try to use it.



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Re: Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop the same way under Win 7


On 11/17/2011 8:34 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:55:36 -0800, W. eWatson
wolftra...@invalid.com  declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:


Months ago 2.5.2 stopped functioning on my Win7 PC, so a few days ago I
uninstalled and installed. Same problem. If one right-clicks on a py
file, IDLE is not shown in the menu as Edit with IDLE. After playing
with matters I gave up, and uninstalled 2.5.2 and turned to 2.7.2. Same
results.

If I look at a 2.4 install on my laptop, I get the desired reference to
Edit with IDLE.


Fine... so open a directory window, follow

Tools/Folder Options/File Types

Scroll down to PYW, click [Advanced]

You should get an Edit File Type dialog. Mine shows just one
action open, yours probably has open and edit. Select edit and
then click [Edit] button. See what it says for the application to be
used.

Do the same on the Win7 machine -- it probably doesn't have edit
as an action, so you'll be picking the [New] button. Define the new
action to look like the action on the laptop (use the correct path to
the python executable, and maybe to IDLE).

Heck, check what those actions show for PY files too... The only
difference between PY and PYW should be the application used in the
open action.
PY =  .../python.exe
PYW =  .../pythonw.exe

Also make sure that the open action is the defined default (select
the action, and click the default button); when there are more than one
action, the default will be in bold.







My guess is that Win 7 is behind this. If so, it's good-bye Python.

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Re: Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop the same way under Win 7


On 11/17/2011 8:34 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:55:36 -0800, W. eWatson
wolftra...@invalid.com  declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:


Months ago 2.5.2 stopped functioning on my Win7 PC, so a few days ago I
uninstalled and installed. Same problem. If one right-clicks on a py
file, IDLE is not shown in the menu as Edit with IDLE. After playing
with matters I gave up, and uninstalled 2.5.2 and turned to 2.7.2. Same
results.

If I look at a 2.4 install on my laptop, I get the desired reference to
Edit with IDLE.


Fine... so open a directory window, follow

Tools/Folder Options/File Types

Scroll down to PYW, click [Advanced]

You should get an Edit File Type dialog. Mine shows just one
action open, yours probably has open and edit. Select edit and
then click [Edit] button. See what it says for the application to be
used.

Do the same on the Win7 machine -- it probably doesn't have edit
as an action, so you'll be picking the [New] button. Define the new
action to look like the action on the laptop (use the correct path to
the python executable, and maybe to IDLE).

Heck, check what those actions show for PY files too... The only
difference between PY and PYW should be the application used in the
open action.
PY =  .../python.exe
PYW =  .../pythonw.exe

Also make sure that the open action is the defined default (select
the action, and click the default button); when there are more than one
action, the default will be in bold.







My guess is that Win 7 is behind this. If so, it's good-bye Python.

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Re: Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop the same way under Win 7

On 11/18/2011 9:12 AM, MRAB wrote:

On 18/11/2011 15:29, W. eWatson wrote:

On 11/18/2011 5:11 AM, Neil Cerutti wrote:

On 2011-11-18, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com wrote:

On 11/17/2011 4:24 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:03:14 -0800, W. eWatson wrote:

I have not found any successful way to get to IDLE. It's on on the
right-click of a py menu, and, if I go the ...lib/idle.pyw, it fails
with a invalid Win32 app msg.

If you associate .pyw files with pythonw.exe, and then open idle.pyw,
does it work?

Failing that, go to your laptop where the associations are right,
and see
what they are, then duplicate the settings on your Windows 7 machine.

Sounds like a good idea except I've not used associations in so
long under XP, I have no idea where to start. Control Panel. My
Computer Tools?

Open Windows Explorer.
With the menu, to to Tools-Folder Options
Click the File Types tab in the Folder Options menu.

There will be an upper view with registered filed types, and some
buttons below far making changes to them.

OK, I've found that. I see
Py
Pyc
Pyo
Pyw
If I click on each, it basically it gives a short description of each.
If I click advanced, there's more info. For example for py, Actions are
IDLE and Open.

What does this tell me that's relevant to Win7?

If on Win7, I go to Default Programs I see under associations various
python items. Py shows Unknown application. Since installing 2.7.2 I
have not messed with these associations. If I right-click on Unknown, I
see Notepad and python.exe for choices to open the file. I want neither.
Why isn't IDLE listed there?

If I right-click on junk.py, I see Open with. Notepad and python.exe
are choices. However, that menu allows me to choose something else. For
example, Adobe Reader, or Internet Explorer. I suppose the next question
is should I use the browse there and try to connect to IDLE in
...\Lib\idlelib? My guess is that if I do, I will run into the invalid
Win32 app, when I try to use it.

You can't associate .py with Idle because Idle is a Python script, not
an executable (an .exe).

Odd, but OK.

Have a look here:
http://superuser.com/questions/68852/change-windows-7-explorer-edit-context-menu-action-for-jpg-and-other-image-fil

Are you suggesting that I use the default program mentioned there?

In my PC's registry (Windows XP, but Windows 7 should be similar or the
same) it has the entry:

Key: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Python.File\shell\Edit with IDLE\command
Value: C:\Python31\pythonw.exe C:\Python31\Lib\idlelib\idle.pyw -n
-e %1

Note how it actually associates the Edit action of Python files with an
.exe file.

So pythonw.exe and idle.pyw are not scripts but somehow can fire up idle?

Are you suggesting I modify my registry? I still find it bizarre the
install did not put it IDLE choice on the menu for py. It's there on XP.

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Re: Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop the same way under Win 7


On 11/18/2011 9:19 AM, rusi wrote:

On Nov 18, 10:12 pm, MRABpyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com  wrote:

On 18/11/2011 15:29, W. eWatson wrote:








On 11/18/2011 5:11 AM, Neil Cerutti wrote:

On 2011-11-18, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:

On 11/17/2011 4:24 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:03:14 -0800, W. eWatson wrote:



I have not found any successful way to get to IDLE. It's on on the
right-click of a py menu, and, if I go the ...lib/idle.pyw, it fails
with a invalid Win32 app msg.



If you associate .pyw files with pythonw.exe, and then open idle.pyw,
does it work?



Failing that, go to your laptop where the associations are right,
and see
what they are, then duplicate the settings on your Windows 7 machine.



Sounds like a good idea except I've not used associations in so
long under XP, I have no idea where to start. Control Panel. My
Computer Tools?



Open Windows Explorer.
With the menu, to to Tools-Folder Options
Click the File Types tab in the Folder Options menu.



There will be an upper view with registered filed types, and some
buttons below far making changes to them.



OK, I've found that. I see
Py
Pyc
Pyo
Pyw
If I click on each, it basically it gives a short description of each.
If I click advanced, there's more info. For example for py, Actions are
IDLE and Open.



What does this tell me that's relevant to Win7?



If on Win7, I go to Default Programs I see under associations various
python items. Py shows Unknown application. Since installing 2.7.2 I
have not messed with these associations. If I right-click on Unknown, I
see Notepad and python.exe for choices to open the file. I want neither.
Why isn't IDLE listed there?



If I right-click on junk.py, I see Open with. Notepad and python.exe
are choices. However, that menu allows me to choose something else. For
example, Adobe Reader, or Internet Explorer. I suppose the next question
is should I use the browse there and try to connect to IDLE in
...\Lib\idlelib? My guess is that if I do, I will run into the invalid
Win32 app, when I try to use it.


You can't associate .py with Idle because Idle is a Python script, not
an executable (an .exe).

Have a look 
here:http://superuser.com/questions/68852/change-windows-7-explorer-edit-c...

In my PC's registry (Windows XP, but Windows 7 should be similar or the
same) it has the entry:

Key: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Python.File\shell\Edit with IDLE\command
Value: C:\Python31\pythonw.exe C:\Python31\Lib\idlelib\idle.pyw -n
-e %1

Note how it actually associates the Edit action of Python files with an
.exe file.


The tools -  folder options approach is the user-friendly approach --
when it works.
The 'Correct the registry' is the muscular approach -- it will set
right everything iff you are a wizard.

In between the two is assoc and ftype see
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/ftype.mspx?mfr=true
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/assoc.mspx?mfr=true
These two seem equally muscular. I shudder to think where these choices 
might lead me.

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Re: Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop the same way under Win 7


On 11/17/2011 11:35 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:

On 11/17/2011 7:03 PM, W. eWatson wrote:


I have not found any successful way to get to IDLE.


Use the start menu to start IDLE once. Then pin it to your taskbar.
If you do not have STart/ all programs / Python / IDLE, then your
installation is bad.

As for the right click problem, you probably have something screwy in
the registry. The python installer (or uninstaller) will not fix it (my
experience on my old xp machine). You will have to do so manually.

IDLE is a choice on the Start menu (All Programs). Pressing it does 
nothing. I see nothing that suggests it's open.


The IDLE entry is pointing at c:\Python27\ (shortcut)

A post above yours suggests IDLE is a script, and somehow needs a 
boost to use it. An exe file, apparently.  Beats the heck out of me.

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Re: Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop the same way under Win 7


On 11/17/2011 9:25 PM, Benjamin Kaplan wrote:

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:21 PM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:


On 11/17/2011 7:59 PM, Dave Angel wrote:


On 11/17/2011 03:31 PM, W. eWatson wrote:


On 11/17/2011 9:39 AM, John Gordon wrote:
SNIP


Can you add IDLE manually to the associated applications list?


Tried that by sending it directly to idle.pyw, but then trying to get
there through the Edit with menu caused a invalid Win32 app.


You've been told repeatedly that building an association to idle.pyw is
useless. It must be to something Windows understands, such as .exe, or
.bat (or several other extensions, as I said in an earlier message) So
why waste our time telling us yet again that it doesn't work?




Because some  people think that's a solution, and ask. It's not. It leads to an 
error message.



Checking my Python install, there should be an idle.bat file in there
too. Have you tried that?

Yes. I tried running it. Got nowhere.
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Python 2.7.2 on Win7 and IDLE (Try it)

Undoubtedly some of you have seen my post Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 
flop the same way under Win 7.


One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of 
2.7.2 has the same IDLE oddity that I've described.  That is, if you 
right-click on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?

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Re: Python 2.7.2 on Win7 and IDLE (Try it)


On 11/18/2011 10:06 AM, W. eWatson wrote:

Undoubtedly some of you have seen my post Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2
flop the same way under Win 7.

One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of
2.7.2 has the same IDLE oddity that I've described. That is, if you
right-click on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?


Try it on Win 7.
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Re: Python 2.7.2 on Win7 and IDLE (Try it)


On 11/18/2011 3:44 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:06:47 -0800, W. eWatson wrote:


Undoubtedly some of you have seen my post Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2
flop the same way under Win 7.

One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of
2.7.2 has the same IDLE oddity that I've described.  That is, if you
right-click on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?


Terry Reedy has already said that his installation works fine.

I installed 3.3.2 on a new Win 7 machine and Edit with IDLE works fine.


If you have installed the regular, 32-bit version of Python on a 64-bit
version of Windows, chances are good that there will be registry problems
stopping things from working correctly. See Stephen Hansen's post.




Somehow 3.3.2 doesn't look like 2.7.2.

Ah, I installed a 32-bit.  Missed his post. So what should I do? Try 
3.3.2 64-bit? I'm game. By the time you read this, I will either have 
done it or gotten into it.

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Re: Python 2.7.2 on Win7 and IDLE (Try it)


On 11/18/2011 4:31 PM, W. eWatson wrote:

On 11/18/2011 3:44 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:06:47 -0800, W. eWatson wrote:


Undoubtedly some of you have seen my post Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2
flop the same way under Win 7.

One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of
2.7.2 has the same IDLE oddity that I've described. That is, if you
right-click on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?


Terry Reedy has already said that his installation works fine.

I installed 3.3.2 on a new Win 7 machine and Edit with IDLE works fine.


If you have installed the regular, 32-bit version of Python on a 64-bit
version of Windows, chances are good that there will be registry problems
stopping things from working correctly. See Stephen Hansen's post.




Somehow 3.3.2 doesn't look like 2.7.2.

Ah, I installed a 32-bit. Missed his post. So what should I do? Try
3.3.2 64-bit? I'm game. By the time you read this, I will either have
done it or gotten into it.


3.3.2? I do not see that in his single message I found. I see a 3.2.2 
release on http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.2.2/. Google 
shows me nothing for 3.3.2.


I see:
* Windows x86 MSI Installer (3.2.2) (sig) and Visual Studio debug 
information files (sig)
* Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2) [1] (sig) and Visual Studio 
debug information files (sig)


Visual Studio  I hope I don't need VS!
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Re: Python 2.7.2 on Win7 and IDLE (Try it)


...


3.3.2? I do not see that in his single message I found. I see a 3.2.2
release on http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.2.2/. Google
shows me nothing for 3.3.2.

I see:
* Windows x86 MSI Installer (3.2.2) (sig) and Visual Studio debug
information files (sig)
* Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2) [1] (sig) and Visual Studio debug
information files (sig)

Visual Studio I hope I don't need VS!


If you look more closely you'll see that there are 5 links on each line:

Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2)
[1]
(sig)
Visual Studio debug information files
(sig)

Unless you intending to work on the sources, you need just the first
one:

Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2)

for a 64-bit build of Python 3.2.2.


An oddity occurs here. Yes, x86-64 is the right installer, maybe. While 
noting your msg, my PC got very slow, and I ended up going to a related 
site for the downloads of 3.2.2 while trying for the one above. 
http://www.python.org/download/.


It shows:
Also look at the detailed Python 3.2.2 page:

* Python 3.2.2 Windows x86 MSI Installer (Windows binary -- does 
not include source)
* Python 3.2.2 Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (Windows AMD64 / Intel 
64 / X86-64 binary [1] -- does not include source)


The first of the two choices does not say x-bit anything. The second 
looks off course for my HP 64-bit PC.


I'm going to just use Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2).

Wait a minute Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2). Windows X86-64 MSI 
Installer (3.2.2) shows it's associated with Visual Studio.  Why would I 
want that? Ah, I get it The single first line has Windows X86-64 MSI 
Installer (3.2.2) and Visual Studio.  That's a really weird way to 
arrange them. OK, now off to Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2)


I'll be back shortly after I've made the install.
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Re: Python 2.7.2 on Win7 and IDLE (Try it)


On 11/18/2011 9:03 PM, W. eWatson wrote:

...


3.3.2? I do not see that in his single message I found. I see a 3.2.2
release on http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.2.2/. Google
shows me nothing for 3.3.2.

I see:
* Windows x86 MSI Installer (3.2.2) (sig) and Visual Studio debug
information files (sig)
* Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2) [1] (sig) and Visual Studio debug
information files (sig)

Visual Studio I hope I don't need VS!


If you look more closely you'll see that there are 5 links on each line:

Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2)
[1]
(sig)
Visual Studio debug information files
(sig)

Unless you intending to work on the sources, you need just the first
one:

Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2)

for a 64-bit build of Python 3.2.2.


An oddity occurs here. Yes, x86-64 is the right installer, maybe. While
noting your msg, my PC got very slow, and I ended up going to a related
site for the downloads of 3.2.2 while trying for the one above.
http://www.python.org/download/.

It shows:
Also look at the detailed Python 3.2.2 page:

* Python 3.2.2 Windows x86 MSI Installer (Windows binary -- does not
include source)
* Python 3.2.2 Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (Windows AMD64 / Intel 64 /
X86-64 binary [1] -- does not include source)

The first of the two choices does not say x-bit anything. The second
looks off course for my HP 64-bit PC.

I'm going to just use Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2).

Wait a minute Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2). Windows X86-64 MSI
Installer (3.2.2) shows it's associated with Visual Studio. Why would I
want that? Ah, I get it The single first line has Windows X86-64 MSI
Installer (3.2.2) and Visual Studio. That's a really weird way to
arrange them. OK, now off to Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2)

I'll be back shortly after I've made the install.


I surrender. IDLE does not appear as a choice when I right-click on a py 
file.


IDLE is on the All Programs list, and if I click on it, something more 
or less seems to happen, but it does not reveal anything. There is a 
comparability choice there that asks what OS did it last run on. 
Unfortunately the choices were VISTA (service packs) and Win7. I 
selected Win7 but it didn't help. Off to bed soon.

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Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop the same way under Win 7

Months ago 2.5.2 stopped functioning on my Win7 PC, so a few days ago I 
uninstalled and installed. Same problem. If one right-clicks on a py 
file, IDLE is not shown in the menu as Edit with IDLE. After playing 
with matters I gave up, and uninstalled 2.5.2 and turned to 2.7.2. Same 
results.


If I look at a 2.4 install on my laptop, I get the desired reference to 
Edit with IDLE.


My guess is that Win 7 is behind this. If so, it's good-bye Python.

Comments?
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Re: Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop the same way under Win 7


On 11/17/2011 9:39 AM, John Gordon wrote:

Inja3eae$rr$1...@dont-email.me  W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  writes:


Months ago 2.5.2 stopped functioning on my Win7 PC, so a few days ago I
uninstalled and installed. Same problem. If one right-clicks on a py
file, IDLE is not shown in the menu as Edit with IDLE. After playing
with matters I gave up, and uninstalled 2.5.2 and turned to 2.7.2. Same
results.


I'm not sure I'd describe the lack of IDLE in a context menu as
python not functioning.


If I look at a 2.4 install on my laptop, I get the desired reference to
Edit with IDLE.



My guess is that Win 7 is behind this. If so, it's good-bye Python.


It was working originally, right?  So the problem can't really just be
Win 7.

Can you add IDLE manually to the associated applications list?

Not successfully. I tried it and pointed to idle.pyw. It gave a Invalid 
Win32 app.

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Re: Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop the same way under Win 7


On 11/17/2011 9:39 AM, John Gordon wrote:

Inja3eae$rr$1...@dont-email.me  W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  writes:


Months ago 2.5.2 stopped functioning on my Win7 PC, so a few days ago I
uninstalled and installed. Same problem. If one right-clicks on a py
file, IDLE is not shown in the menu as Edit with IDLE. After playing
with matters I gave up, and uninstalled 2.5.2 and turned to 2.7.2. Same
results.


I'm not sure I'd describe the lack of IDLE in a context menu as
python not functioning.

Well, yes, and I can run it from the command line.



If I look at a 2.4 install on my laptop, I get the desired reference to
Edit with IDLE.



My guess is that Win 7 is behind this. If so, it's good-bye Python.
This has been a nagging problem for far too long. I see no reason why a 
simple install should make such a difference with the way I get to IDLE. 
Maybe few people here like IDLE, but for my minimal needs, it's just fine.




It was working originally, right?  So the problem can't really just be
Win 7.
I installed it about April 2010, and it worked for months. I then 
stopped using it until around July 2011. It no longer worked in the IDLE 
sense.


Who really knows?



Can you add IDLE manually to the associated applications list?

Tried that by sending it directly to idle.pyw, but then trying to get 
there through the Edit with menu caused a invalid Win32 app.

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Re: Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop the same way under Win 7


On 11/17/2011 12:46 PM, spartan.the wrote:

On Nov 17, 10:31 pm, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:

On 11/17/2011 9:39 AM, John Gordon wrote:  Inja3eae$r...@dont-email.meW. 
eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.comwrites:


Months ago 2.5.2 stopped functioning on my Win7 PC, so a few days ago I
uninstalled and installed. Same problem. If one right-clicks on a py
file, IDLE is not shown in the menu as Edit with IDLE. After playing
with matters I gave up, and uninstalled 2.5.2 and turned to 2.7.2. Same
results.



I'm not sure I'd describe the lack of IDLE in a context menu as
python not functioning.


Well, yes, and I can run it from the command line.


If I look at a 2.4 install on my laptop, I get the desired reference to
Edit with IDLE.



My guess is that Win 7 is behind this. If so, it's good-bye Python.


This has been a nagging problem for far too long. I see no reason why a
simple install should make such a difference with the way I get to IDLE.
Maybe few people here like IDLE, but for my minimal needs, it's just fine.




It was working originally, right?  So the problem can't really just be
Win 7.


I installed it about April 2010, and it worked for months. I then
stopped using it until around July 2011. It no longer worked in the IDLE
sense.

Who really knows?




Can you add IDLE manually to the associated applications list?


Tried that by sending it directly to idle.pyw, but then trying to get
there through the Edit with menu caused a invalid Win32 app.


idle.pyw is not executable in Windows, but you can right-click it,
open, browse to pythonw.exe. Then it should work.


right-click on junk.py gives me a menu. I select Open with, and ... 
hmmm, whoops, in the latest install, 2.7.2, I did not give it access to 
idle.pyw.


My mistake above. I was talking about the previous 2.5.2 of install in 
Win7. Where I'm at is 2.7.2 now. However, I still find in very odd there 
is no Edit with IDLE when I right-click on junk.py. That's the way it 
worked on 2.5.2 on my XP and earlier, 2010, on Win7. Downright frustrating.


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Re: Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop the same way under Win 7


On 11/17/2011 12:59 PM, MRAB wrote:

On 17/11/2011 20:31, W. eWatson wrote:

On 11/17/2011 9:39 AM, John Gordon wrote:

Inja3eae$rr$1...@dont-email.me W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com
writes:


Months ago 2.5.2 stopped functioning on my Win7 PC, so a few days ago I
uninstalled and installed. Same problem. If one right-clicks on a py
file, IDLE is not shown in the menu as Edit with IDLE. After playing
with matters I gave up, and uninstalled 2.5.2 and turned to 2.7.2. Same
results.


I'm not sure I'd describe the lack of IDLE in a context menu as
python not functioning.

Well, yes, and I can run it from the command line.



If I look at a 2.4 install on my laptop, I get the desired reference to
Edit with IDLE.



My guess is that Win 7 is behind this. If so, it's good-bye Python.

This has been a nagging problem for far too long. I see no reason why a
simple install should make such a difference with the way I get to IDLE.
Maybe few people here like IDLE, but for my minimal needs, it's just
fine.



It was working originally, right? So the problem can't really just be
Win 7.

I installed it about April 2010, and it worked for months. I then
stopped using it until around July 2011. It no longer worked in the IDLE
sense.

Who really knows?



Can you add IDLE manually to the associated applications list?


Tried that by sending it directly to idle.pyw, but then trying to get
there through the Edit with menu caused a invalid Win32 app.


Are you trying to associate .pyw with idle.pyw instead of with
pythonw.exe?
What does pythonw.exe do for me? I would think all associations would be 
correct after an install.


The single thing I do not understand is why in my latest install of 
2.5.2 and 2.7.2 (2.5.2 was uninstalled before going to 2.7.2) on Win7 
that why a right-click on a py file does not show as a choice is Edit 
with IDLE, as it does on my XP PC and my 2010 install of 2.5.2 on this 
Win 7 PC. To me that signals that something is wrong.

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Re: Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop the same way under Win 7


On 11/17/2011 2:12 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:

On 11/17/2011 11:55 AM, W. eWatson wrote:

Months ago 2.5.2 stopped functioning on my Win7 PC, so a few days ago I
uninstalled and installed. Same problem. If one right-clicks on a py
file, IDLE is not shown in the menu as Edit with IDLE. After playing
with matters I gave up, and uninstalled 2.5.2 and turned to 2.7.2. Same
results.

If I look at a 2.4 install on my laptop, I get the desired reference to
Edit with IDLE.

My guess is that Win 7 is behind this. If so, it's good-bye Python.


I installed 3.3.2 on a new Win 7 machine and Edit with IDLE works fine.
However, I almost never use that with Explorer to open files. I have
IDLE pinned to the task bar so it is one click to start. If I edit a
file, I want to run it, so I want a shell window open anyway. I usually
open files to edit with the first three entries under the File menu: New
File, Open, or Recent Files. Once I open a file in a particular
directory (usually with Recent Files), Open initially looks for files in
the same directory, which is usually what I want. So say hello again to
Python, especially Python 3.

I have not found any successful way to get to IDLE. It's on on the 
right-click of a py menu, and, if I go the ...lib/idle.pyw, it fails 
with a invalid Win32 app msg.

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Re: Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop the same way under Win 7


On 11/17/2011 7:59 PM, Dave Angel wrote:

On 11/17/2011 03:31 PM, W. eWatson wrote:

On 11/17/2011 9:39 AM, John Gordon wrote:
SNIP


Can you add IDLE manually to the associated applications list?


Tried that by sending it directly to idle.pyw, but then trying to get
there through the Edit with menu caused a invalid Win32 app.


You've been told repeatedly that building an association to idle.pyw is
useless. It must be to something Windows understands, such as .exe, or
.bat (or several other extensions, as I said in an earlier message) So
why waste our time telling us yet again that it doesn't work?



Because some  people think that's a solution, and ask. It's not. It 
leads to an error message.

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Re: Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop the same way under Win 7


On 11/17/2011 4:24 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:03:14 -0800, W. eWatson wrote:


I have not found any successful way to get to IDLE. It's on on the
right-click of a py menu, and, if I go the ...lib/idle.pyw, it fails
with a invalid Win32 app msg.


If you associate .pyw files with pythonw.exe, and then open idle.pyw,
does it work?

Failing that, go to your laptop where the associations are right, and see
what they are, then duplicate the settings on your Windows 7 machine.

Sounds like a good idea except I've not used associations in so long 
under XP, I have no idea where to start. Control Panel. My Computer Tools?


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Re: Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop the same way under Win 7


On 11/17/2011 7:04 PM, alex23 wrote:

On Nov 18, 2:55 am, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:

Comments?


Are you using the vanilla installer or ActiveState's ActivePython? I
find the latter integrates better with Windows.

Also, out of curiousity, 32 or 64 bit Windows?

64-bit and plain old python msi installer.
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Re: Uninstalling Py 2.5.2 from Windows 7 (Invalid on Win 32 app)

2011-11-14 Thread W. eWatson


On 11/14/2011 7:24 AM, John Gordon wrote:

Inj9q8cs$3al$1...@dont-email.me  W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  writes:


I just pushed aside the python25 folder by renaming it, and installed py
2.5.2. However, when I try to open the simplest of py programs with
IDLE, I get an error from Win7.



c:\Users\blah\...\junk.py is not a valid Win 32 app.


Are you double-clicking on the .py file?

Yes.


What application is associated with .py files?


Application? Simple ones, including the one i put here that you
removed to answer my question.

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Re: Uninstalling Py 2.5.2 from Windows 7 (Invalid on Win 32 app)

2011-11-14 Thread W. eWatson


On 11/14/2011 8:15 AM, John Gordon wrote:

Inj9rct4$frh$1...@dont-email.me  W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  writes:


What application is associated with .py files?



Application? Simple ones, including the one i put here that you
removed to answer my question.


Eh?  I can't see anywhere that you mentioned your Windows settings as
to what application is associated with .py files.

(You mentioned running IDLE, but I don't see that it was given as the
default application for opening .py files.)

I would think the install would make the association of py to Python, 
either IDLE or the interpreter. If I right-click on a py file, it asks 
me for Open with. If I select idle.pyw, it gives me the message I 
posted earlier.

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Re: Uninstalling Py 2.5.2 from Windows 7 (Invalid on Win 32 app)

2011-11-14 Thread W. eWatson


On 11/14/2011 10:00 AM, John Gordon wrote:

Inj9rja5$qcp$1...@dont-email.me  W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  writes:


I would think the install would make the association of py to Python,
either IDLE or the interpreter.


I would hope so too, however you did mention that you moved the python
executable to a different directory and installed a newer version, so
verifying that the .py file association points to the correct application
might be worthwhile.

Note though I had uninstalled Python. The folder remained, so I renamed 
it, then installed. I see no way that under that arrangement that py 
would be associated with the renamed contents. The renamed folder has no 
exe file for the interpreter. There is, of course, a new Python25 that 
shows python.exe and pythonw.exe. python.exe will bring up a command 
window.

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Uninstalling Py 2.5.2 from Windows 7

For many months I had sporadically used 2.5.2 under Win 7, then 
something went awry. I tried an uninstall/install and it didn't get any 
better. I thought I'd take another shot at it today. The uninstall went 
OK, but c:\python25 remained with several py files and a folder, Lib. I 
went ahead with the install and got a msg that asked if I wanted to 
write over the python25 folder.


I figured maybe I should ask about this. It's probably OK. Yes, I know I 
have an old version of Python, but I need it occasionally.


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Re: Uninstalling Py 2.5.2 from Windows 7


On 11/13/2011 2:08 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:

On 11/13/2011 12:46 PM, W. eWatson wrote:

For many months I had sporadically used 2.5.2 under Win 7, then
something went awry. I tried an uninstall/install and it didn't get any
better. I thought I'd take another shot at it today. The uninstall went
OK, but c:\python25 remained with several py files and a folder, Lib. I
went ahead with the install and got a msg that asked if I wanted to
write over the python25 folder.


Uninstall (should) only uninstall files that it installed and
directories that are empty. The 'several py files' should be files that
you or some third-party software installed. I personally put everything
I write under /pythonxy in a subdirectory thereof that install and
uninstall pay no attention to. The Lib directory contains all the
python-coded stdlib modules. Unless you know there is something that you
wrote that you want, I would delete it before re-installing.

I suspect that current installers work a bit better than 2.5. I would
definitely use the latest 2.5.z that comes with an installer and not
2.5.2. They are all the same version of the language. The only
difference is bug fixes.

Thanks to both of you. Deleting python25 folder. Nothing of personal use 
in it.

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Re: Uninstalling Py 2.5.2 from Windows 7

Well, let be a careful a little more. I have PIL, numpy, scipy, 
pymatplotlib and pyephem installed, I think. There are Removeexe 
files in the python25 folder for them.  There's also a Removepy2exe.exe. 
Probably that was somehow used to get out py2.5.

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Re: Uninstalling Py 2.5.2 from Windows 7 (Invalid on Win 32 app)

I just pushed aside the python25 folder by renaming it, and installed py 
2.5.2. However, when I try to open the simplest of py programs with 
IDLE, I get an error from Win7.


c:\Users\blah\...\junk.py is not a valid Win 32 app.

Here's one:
def abc(one):
print abc: , one,  is one

def duh(two):
print duh: ,abc(2)

abc(1)
duh(2)
duh(so what)
abc(36.333)

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File Association for Python on XP

2011-10-23 Thread W. eWatson

Last night I thought I'd install Python on a friend's XP PC. I noticed 
he had declined to show extensions on any file. I thought the Control 
Panel might be the way to do it. I couldn't find anything that would do 
all files, doc, txt, py, etc.


I was able to do it, I think, from a right-click on a py file. However, 
when I then clicked on the file, it seemed like the IDE was not going to 
come up. Instead it looked like it was headed directly for interpreter. 
His computer is quite slow. We went on to something else. Python doesn't 
yet need that much attention.


So what should I have done, and how do I undo what I did?
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Re: File Association for Python on XP

2011-10-23 Thread W. eWatson


On 10/23/2011 9:41 AM, MRAB wrote:

To show the extensions, in an Explorer window go to Tools-Folder
Options... and look in the View tab. You can also look at the file
associations in the File Types tab.

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Re: [OT] Anyone here familiar with installing Open Watcom F77?

2011-09-08 Thread W. eWatson


On 9/5/2011 9:36 AM, Colin J. Williams wrote:

On 05-Sep-11 12:22 PM, Dan Nagle wrote:

Hello,

On 2011-09-05 16:15:20 +, W. eWatson said:


On 9/5/2011 8:24 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:15 AM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com
wrote:

See Subject.


snip


To what extent familiar? I have it installed on several computers,

but only because it comes with Open Wat C/C++.

With something off-topic like this,


snip


sierra_mtnview @ sbcglobal.net

Here's the story.

As far as I can tell F77 1.8 is not available. I've Googled quite a
bit for it. My source for 1.9 is
http://www.openwatcom.org/index.php/Download. It gives me:
open-watcom-f77-win32-1.9.exe.


On Usenet, comp.lang.fortran might be the best source of help for this.
There's a good chance one of the regulars there can answer you
within one or two posts. (I'll not cross-post, you can choose for
yourself.)

HTH



You might get in touch with someone at Waterloo University, which is
located in Kitchener/Waterloo.

This could have come from the 60's or 70's.

Good luck.

Colin W.

Left a message on Tuesday. No return call. I'm starting to make progress 
on this.

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Re: strange thing:

2011-09-06 Thread W. eWatson

CA, Did you respond to my off-NG msg about FORTRAN? Perhaps it's caught 
in my spam on the net.

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Re: strange thing:

2011-09-06 Thread W. eWatson


On 9/6/2011 7:48 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:43 PM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:

CA, Did you respond to my off-NG msg about FORTRAN? Perhaps it's caught in
my spam on the net.


No, I didn't; as someone else pointed out, you'll get better results
asking on a dedicated Fortran list.

ChrisA

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[OT] Anyone here familiar with installing Open Watcom F77?

2011-09-05 Thread W. eWatson


See Subject.
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Re: [OT] Anyone here familiar with installing Open Watcom F77?

2011-09-05 Thread W. eWatson


On 9/5/2011 8:24 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:15 AM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:

See Subject.
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To what extent familiar? I have it installed on several computers,
but only because it comes with Open Wat C/C++.

With something off-topic like this, it might be better to have a real
email address, so the responses can be off-list.

ChrisA


sierra_mtnview @ sbcglobal.net
Here's the story.

As far as I can tell F77 1.8 is not available.  I've Googled quite a bit 
for it.  My source for 1.9 is 
http://www.openwatcom.org/index.php/Download. It gives me: 
open-watcom-f77-win32-1.9.exe.


When I install, there are only choices: Custom, which presumably will 
ask a lot of questions, and some one shot do-it without any 
intervention.  I took the latter.


..., XP, and no Win7? I use Win7. Trouble??

Something is amiss with my install. I downloaded 1.9. I did not use any 
customization.


 I can bring up the IDE easily. Using it is a different matter. The 
only Getting Started in F77 manual I can find is shown as v1.8.  If 1.9 
is needed, I can't find it. If I use the 1.8 manual, then the contents 
don't match up with what I find in the F77 IDE.  For example, the manual 
talks about a Kitchen project on page 15.  Not found anywhere in the 
install folder.


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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7


On 7/27/2011 9:46 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:28:38 -0700, W. eWatson
wolftra...@invalid.com  declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:



For junk.py, I tried Open With-Choose default program. I selected
idle.pyw. When I tried the new default for getting to IDLE, it
complained it was not a valid 32-bit app. That's very strange.


Quite expected... idle.pyw is a Python byte code file... IT needs to
be run using a Python interpreter (pythonw.exe to suppress the shell
window).

What happens IN the command/shell if you type (replace thewords
with the correct string on your installation)

path to pythonpython -vpath to idle.pywidle.pyw

This is my install:

E:\UserData\Wulfraed\My Documentse:\Python25\python -v
e:\Python25\Lib\idlelib\idle.pyw

# installing zipimport hook
import zipimport # builtin
# installed zipimport hook
# e:\Python25\lib\site.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\site.py
import site # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\site.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\os.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\os.py
import os # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\os.pyc
import errno # builtin
import nt # builtin
# e:\Python25\lib\ntpath.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\ntpath.py
import ntpath # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\ntpath.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\stat.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\stat.py
import stat # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\stat.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\UserDict.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\UserDict.py
import UserDict # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\UserDict.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\copy_reg.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\copy_reg.py
import copy_reg # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\copy_reg.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\types.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\types.py
import types # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\types.pyc
import _types # builtin
# zipimport: found 45 names in
e:\Python25\lib\site-packages\simplejson-2.0.3-py2.5.egg
# zipimport: found 33 names in
e:\Python25\lib\site-packages\ruledispatch-0.5a1.dev_r2506-py2.5-
win32.egg
# zipimport: found 15 names in
e:\Python25\lib\site-packages\decoratortools-1.7-py2.5.egg
# zipimport: found 9 names in
e:\Python25\lib\site-packages\configobj-4.5.3-py2.5.egg
# zipimport: found 15 names in
e:\Python25\lib\site-packages\extremes-1.1-py2.5.egg
# zipimport: found 43 names in
e:\Python25\lib\site-packages\pyprotocols-1.0a0-py2.5-win32.egg
# e:\Python25\lib\locale.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\locale.py
import locale # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\locale.pyc
import encodings # directory e:\Python25\lib\encodings
# e:\Python25\lib\encodings\__init__.pyc matches
e:\Python25\lib\encodings\__init__.py
import encodings # precompiled from
e:\Python25\lib\encodings\__init__.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\codecs.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\codecs.py
import codecs # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\codecs.pyc
import _codecs # builtin
# e:\Python25\lib\encodings\aliases.pyc matches
e:\Python25\lib\encodings\aliases.py
import encodings.aliases # precompiled from
e:\Python25\lib\encodings\aliases.pyc
import _locale # builtin
# e:\Python25\lib\re.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\re.py
import re # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\re.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\sre_compile.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\sre_compile.py
import sre_compile # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\sre_compile.pyc
import _sre # builtin
# e:\Python25\lib\sre_constants.pyc matches
e:\Python25\lib\sre_constants.py
import sre_constants # precompiled from
e:\Python25\lib\sre_constants.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\sre_parse.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\sre_parse.py
import sre_parse # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\sre_parse.pyc
import operator # builtin
# e:\Python25\lib\encodings\cp1252.pyc matches
e:\Python25\lib\encodings\cp1252.py
import encodings.cp1252 # precompiled from
e:\Python25\lib\encodings\cp1252.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\warnings.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\warnings.py
import warnings # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\warnings.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\linecache.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\linecache.py
import linecache # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\linecache.pyc
ActivePython 2.5.2.2 (ActiveState Software Inc.) based on
Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Mar 27 2008, 17:57:18) [MSC v.1310 32 bit
(Intel)] on win32
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.
import idlelib # directory e:\Python25\lib\idlelib
# e:\Python25\lib\idlelib\__init__.pyc matches
e:\Python25\lib\idlelib\__init__.py
import idlelib # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\idlelib\__init__.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\idlelib\PyShell.pyc matches
e:\Python25\lib\idlelib\PyShell.py
import idlelib.PyShell # precompiled from
e:\Python25\lib\idlelib\PyShell.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\string.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\string.py
import string # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\string.pyc
import strop # builtin
# e:\Python25\lib\getopt.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\getopt.py
import getopt # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\getopt.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\socket.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\socket.py
import socket # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib

Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7


On 7/28/2011 6:19 AM, Jerry Hill wrote:

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 5:26 PM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:

.py=Python.File
.pyw=Python.NoConFile
Python.File=C:\Python25\python.exe %1 %*
Python.File=C:\Python25\python.exe %1 %*
Python.NoConFile=C:\Python25\pythonw.exe %1 %*


That all looks good.


I cannot copy from the cmd window. It ends with [errorno 13] Permission
denied to c:||Users\\Wayne\\idlerc\\recent-files.lst'


That sounds like the root of the problem, then.  I'm assuming Wayne is
your username, but I don't know why you wouldn't have permission to
access something in your own user directory.  Can you try deleting
that file in the windows explorer?  You could try messing with the
permissions, but I doubt you care about a recent file list that sounds
several months old.  You might even try removing (or renaming) the
whole C:\Users\Wayne\idlerc folder.  Idle should re-build anything it
needs if it's not there when you start up.

It's a hidden file. I tried deleting w/o success so changed the name. 
The file was dated 5/??/2010.


I tried the usual method of right-click on junk.py to see if Edit with 
IDLE would appear in the menu. It didn't, so I tried a right-click to 
Choose default program to idle.pyw. Using it again gave me an invalid 
32-bit message.


I am able to get a proper response at the command level by entering 
pythonw.exe.   print abc works fine.  I've forgotten how to get out 
of . I'm killing the command window.

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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7


On 7/28/2011 8:10 AM, W. eWatson wrote:

On 7/28/2011 6:19 AM, Jerry Hill wrote:

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 5:26 PM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com
wrote:

.py=Python.File
.pyw=Python.NoConFile
Python.File=C:\Python25\python.exe %1 %*
Python.File=C:\Python25\python.exe %1 %*
Python.NoConFile=C:\Python25\pythonw.exe %1 %*


That all looks good.


I cannot copy from the cmd window. It ends with [errorno 13] Permission
denied to c:||Users\\Wayne\\idlerc\\recent-files.lst'


That sounds like the root of the problem, then. I'm assuming Wayne is
your username, but I don't know why you wouldn't have permission to
access something in your own user directory. Can you try deleting
that file in the windows explorer? You could try messing with the
permissions, but I doubt you care about a recent file list that sounds
several months old. You might even try removing (or renaming) the
whole C:\Users\Wayne\idlerc folder. Idle should re-build anything it
needs if it's not there when you start up.


It's a hidden file. I tried deleting w/o success so changed the name.
The file was dated 5/??/2010.

I tried the usual method of right-click on junk.py to see if Edit with
IDLE would appear in the menu. It didn't, so I tried a right-click to
Choose default program to idle.pyw. Using it again gave me an invalid
32-bit message.

I am able to get a proper response at the command level by entering
pythonw.exe.  print abc works fine. I've forgotten how to get out
of . I'm killing the command window.

idle.pyw brings up IDLE at the command level.
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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7

I've given this problem over to the Python Tutor mail-list. I can 
capture screens more easily than manipulate in cmd.exe. It may be a 
preference problem on who owns what. SYSTEM seems to be the owner, and 
not me.


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How do I access IDLE in Win7

It's been many months since I played with Python, and have forgotten how 
to bring up IDLE. If I simply click on a py file, I see what may be a 
dos window appear and quickly disappear. If I right-click on the file, 
and select IDLE, the same thing happens. If I go directly to All 
Programs, the same thing happens when I select IDLE.

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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7


On 7/27/2011 8:38 AM, rantingrick wrote:

On Jul 27, 10:06 am, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:

It's been many months since I played with Python, and have forgotten how
to bring up IDLE. If I simply click on a py file, I see what may be a
dos window appear and quickly disappear.


Double-clicking a [py|pyw] file in windows will auto run the file
(considering you have not changed the association). So if you're
trying to edit the file you'll want to try something else.


If I right-click on the file,
and select IDLE, the same thing happens.


You mean Right-Click -  Send-To-IDLE?
A right-click gives me two choices. Edit with IDLE or Open With. The 
first produces nothing, or something so quick that I do not see it. The 
second gives me a choice of python.exe, Notepad, or Choose Default 
Program. None of these are helpful.





If I go directly to All
Programs, the same thing happens when I select IDLE.


You mean Start_Menu -  All_Programs -  PythonX.X -  IDLE_(Python
GUI)? Yes typically that is how you'd run IDLE form a winders box.

Yes, that's what I do, but again the result is essentially nothing.


If you want to edit a python script then first open an editor and then
navigate to the file. There is also a RightClick -  Open-with-IDLE
option also but i prefer to navigate from my editor.

Edit with IDLE as above. Doesn't work. No editor appears.


However it sounds like you may be experiencing a bug (or configuration
issue). Can you capture the dos error with the print screen button
and post it here? You'll have to be quick to catch it!

Way too fast.


Also try to run IDLE from this path:
...\PythonXX\Lib\idlelib {double click PyShell.py}

It stays up for about 1/2 second.

If I run cmd.exe and work my way down to  .../idlelib, I find nothing 
but idle.bat. strange. Hidden?  I can get into line mode by using 
python.exe. That is, I can type in print abc, and get a result.


Baffling.

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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7


On 7/27/2011 9:48 AM, Jerry Hill wrote:

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:28 PM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:

If I run cmd.exe and work my way down to  .../idlelib, I find nothing but
idle.bat. strange. Hidden?  I can get into line mode by using python.exe.
That is, I can type in print abc, and get a result.


So, you don't have an idle.py or idle.pyw in C:\Python26\Lib\idlelib\
(or where ever you installed python)?  If not, it sounds to me like
your python installation is screwed up.  I would re-install.

Jerry
Yes, I have both. Neither shows anything on the monitor when I double 
click them.

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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7


On 7/27/2011 12:53 PM, Jerry Hill wrote:

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:34 PM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote:

On 7/27/2011 9:48 AM, Jerry Hill wrote:

So, you don't have an idle.py or idle.pyw in C:\Python26\Lib\idlelib\
(or where ever you installed python)?  If not, it sounds to me like
your python installation is screwed up.  I would re-install.


Yes, I have both. Neither shows anything on the monitor when I double click
them.


Oh, I guess I misunderstood.  Go ahead and open that cmd.exe window
back up.  Please run the following and report back the results.  In
the cmd.exe window run:

assoc .py
assoc .pyw
ftype Python.File
ftype Python.NoConFile


.py=Python.File
.pyw=Python.NoConFile
Python.File=C:\Python25\python.exe %1 %*
Python.File=C:\Python25\python.exe %1 %*
Python.NoConFile=C:\Python25\pythonw.exe %1 %*



Those four commands should show us how the python file associations
are set up on your computer.

Then, let's try to run idle and capture whatever error message is
popping up.  I don't think you've mentioned what version of python you
have installed.  The following is for 2.6, since that's what I have
installed here, but it should work on any other version if you swap in
your installation directory for the 2.6 one below.  Still in your
cmd.exe window, run the following:

c:\Python26\python.exe C:\Python26\Lib\idlelib\idle.py
I cannot copy from the cmd window. It ends with [errorno 13] Permission 
denied to c:||Users\\Wayne\\idlerc\\recent-files.lst'


recent-files.lst !!! weird


If you get an exception, please copy and paste the details for us.  If
that works and opens idle, please try running this:

C:\Python26\Lib\idlelib\idle.py

Based on the behavior you've described so far, that ought to fail, and
hopefully give some sort of message or exception for us to diagnose.

PS: If you're just trying to get things working, and don't care what
might be wrong, I would recommend just re-installing python.  That
ought to clean up all the file associations and set things up properly
for you.  That's likely the quickest way to just get things working.


Yep, I'm thinking about it.
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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7

In the mean time, I punted and re-installed. It's still not quite right. 
I uninstalled it. I was asked during install if I wanted to remove 
c:\Python25. It was still there and had several folders (Lib, Scripts) 
and files (fishe.py, RemovePIL.exe, junk.py). I said yes. It installed 
2.5.2.


Edit with IDLE still fails, as does a simple py file like junk.py (has 
five lines of simple math). That is executing junk.py or trying to get 
it into IDLE doesn't work.


For junk.py, I tried Open With-Choose default program. I selected 
idle.pyw. When I tried the new default for getting to IDLE, it 
complained it was not a valid 32-bit app. That's very strange.


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Re: Python Portability


On 8/8/2010 4:08 AM, David Cournapeau wrote:
...

python-Numpy-1.2.0. No scipy anything. Well, this is interesting. I just
noticed Martin v. Loewis on the Python 2.5 entry. That's you, right?


You are conflating so many issues at the same time, it is very
difficult to follow what you are doing.

Concerning the numpy error: you installed a version of scipy which
requires a more recent version of numpy than the one you have. More
concretely, NumpyTest has disappeared since 1.3.0. Unless you have a
good reason not to, I strongly suggest to just use the last released
versions of numpy and scipy (1.4.1 and 0.8.0 respectively).

Note also that Enthought Python Distribution exists to exactly avoid
those issues - they do the packaging hard word so that you don't have
to.

But none of this has anything to do with one character change or portability,

cheers,

David
Believe me I had no intent of expanding this thread beyond looking for a 
straight and simple insight to Python distribution (portability, 
whatever) and how to get my partner squared away. The general issue 
seems to drifted off on its own accord. I find generally that once I've 
had to post five times on a topic, and haven't gotten a satisfactory 
answer, I'm not going to get one.


Yes, you are quite correct about numpy, but for reasons which I have no 
plans to explain, I want my partner on the same version of numpy as 
myself. I now have the answer I need, and I do not care one more wit 
about a one character change.


I'm done here.
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Win7. Why Don't Matplotlib, ... Show up in Control Panel Add-Remove?

See Subject. I use matplotlib, scipy, numpy and possibly one other 
module. If I go to the control panel, I only see numpy listed. Why? I 
use a search and find only numpy and Python itself. How can matplotlib 
and scipy be uninstalled?

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Re: Win7. Why Don't Matplotlib, ... Show up in Control Panel Add-Remove?


On 8/8/2010 10:56 AM, Benjamin Kaplan wrote:

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:21 AM, David Robinowdrobi...@gmail.com  wrote:

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Mark Lawrencebreamore...@yahoo.co.uk  wrote:

On 08/08/2010 17:16, W. eWatson wrote:


See Subject. I use matplotlib, scipy, numpy and possibly one other
module. If I go to the control panel, I only see numpy listed. Why? I
use a search and find only numpy and Python itself. How can matplotlib
and scipy be uninstalled?


Have you heard of google?

google is not relevant to this issue. This group is the correct forum.
I'm not sure what the answer to the OP's problem is. If you no longer
wish to use these modules I suggest doing nothing. No harm will
result.


Since this is specifically a matplotlib and scipy question, the most
relevant forums would be the matplotlib and scipy mailing lists. The
maintainers of those projects are probably on those lists, and they'll
be able to answer this question better than we can since they know
what the installers do in the first place.

https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user
Well, you have a good point, and I will do that. However, I'm surprised 
there doesn't seem to be some uniformity on this subject.


Yes, removing them directly is an option, but I prefer to find out why 
the discrepancy? BTW, I really do not plan to remove them now. The 
anomaly does deserve an answer.


To suggest Google as above, makes no sense to me. This is the place to 
ask, as another poster stated.

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Re: Win7. Why Don't Matplotlib, ... Show up in Control Panel Add-Remove?


On 8/8/2010 5:51 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:

On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:15:45 -0700, W. eWatson wrote:


To suggest Google as above, makes no sense to me. This is the place to
ask, as another poster stated.


He may have stated it, but the evidence suggests he's wrong. You're
asking a question about the details of the installers used specifically
by scipy and matplotlib. Most people here have no idea about that, hence
the lack of useful answers. The best likelihood of finding a solution is
to go to a specialist forum, not a generic one.

In any case, suggesting Google is *always* relevant. You gave us no
reason at all to think that you had made any effort to solve the problem
yourself before asking for us to volunteer our time. That's rude. Did you
google for uninstall scipy before asking for help? Did you make any
effort to read the Scipy manual first? Did you make any effort *at all*?
If you had -- and for all we know, you might have spent days trying to
solve this, or 3 seconds, or anything in between -- you didn't say so.

Suggesting that you do some googling is absolutely relevant.

Perhaps it's about time that we point you at this:

http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

I don't agree with everything the author says, but the basic position is
about right.



For the last few hours, I've been on the scipy and numpy mail list, per 
a suggestion. No one seems to really understand uninstall there. I think 
Ben Caplan may have it right. You and I need go no further with this. We 
disagree--again.

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Re: [Tutor] Finding the version # of a module, and py module problem


On 8/6/2010 7:18 PM, Philip Semanchuk wrote:


On Aug 6, 2010, at 3:14 PM, W. eWatson wrote:


I must be missing something. I tried this. (Windows, IDLE, Python 2.5)


Yes, as Benjamin Kaplan pointed out and as I said in the email where I
posted this code snippet, dependencies is a list of custom classes that
represent modules we need (e.g. numpy). The code I posted was not meant
to be a complete working example. It's part of a larger piece of code
that I didn't have time to cook down to a simpler, self-sufficient whole.

Also, in your list you've got numyp instead of numpy.

Also, at the top of your code you have import numpy and import scipy
which defeats the purpose of this code.

Good. It worked. Are there other attributes of a module that can help 
identify it further? Release date, ...?

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Re: Python Portability


On 8/6/2010 2:23 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

In messagei3fpos$p7...@news.eternal-september.org, W. eWatson wrote:


I made a one character change to it and sent him the new py file. He can't
execute it.


What exactly was the problem?

I put a minus sign in front of a variable. I had him use the shell to 
check his version numpy, which he just provided. version -- 1.4.0. As I 
think I mentioned above, he's probably  not using the same numpy version 
that I use 1.2.0. Don't ask for an explanation of why I want him on 
1.2.0. :-) I think that pretty much wraps up the problem. He needs to 
get back to 1.2.0.


Presumably I have him somehow delete the numpy site-package, the numpy 
1.2.0 package? Just drill his way dow from the .../lib/site_packages? 
Then install 1.2.0. He's missed the boat on that before by not following 
instructions.



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Re: Python Portability


On 8/7/2010 2:01 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:

On 08/07/2010 01:17 PM, W. eWatson wrote:

Presumably I have him somehow delete the numpy site-package, the numpy
1.2.0 package? Just drill his way dow from the .../lib/site_packages?
Then install 1.2.0. He's missed the boat on that before by not following
instructions.


Wait.  I'm confused.   Aren't you distributing your python app as an
executable, with the interpreter and all the libraries bundled?
Not at all. There is no exe. The py source program is all that goes out. 
It is expected that the recipients have the same versions of modules, 
numpy, etc, and IDLE. All under Windows. There's not a single person (of 
about 50) that gets person who is likely to have changed the Python 
environment. None of them know Python. When the sponsor decides to 
change the app we all use, then we update Python and modules as 
required. User's execute the programs with IDLE, or a double click of 
the py file.

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Re: Python Portability


On 8/7/2010 2:26 PM, Martin v. Loewis wrote:

Am 07.08.2010 23:01, schrieb Michael Torrie:

On 08/07/2010 01:17 PM, W. eWatson wrote:

Presumably I have him somehow delete the numpy site-package, the numpy
1.2.0 package? Just drill his way dow from the .../lib/site_packages?
Then install 1.2.0. He's missed the boat on that before by not following
instructions.


Wait.  I'm confused.   Aren't you distributing your python app as an
executable, with the interpreter and all the libraries bundled?


No, he was really mentioning two distinct scenarios. In the one
discussed above, the remote machine had all stuff manually installed,
and somehow got the actual Python program copied into it.

Regards,
Martin
To add to the msg I just sent to M. Torrie. We are given the msi 
programs for Python, PIL,matplotlib, and numpy. The question of how to 
uninstall and re-install a different version remains. The answer is?

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Re: Python Portability


On 8/7/2010 4:45 PM, Martin v. Loewis wrote:

To add to the msg I just sent to M. Torrie. We are given the msi
programs for Python, PIL,matplotlib, and numpy. The question of how to
uninstall and re-install a different version remains.


I'd claim that this is not the real question. The real question is,
instead: What specific error did you get when adding a single minus
sign to the program?

Please try answering that question also.


The answer is?


I'm not sure I understand the question. What do you mean by given?
Perhaps already downloaded locally?

If so, the obvious answer is Go to Add-Remove-Programs. Uninstall.
Then double-click the MSI files. If that is not a good answer:
why not?

If you want that automated: write a batch file, invoking msiexec
as necessary.

Regards,
Martin


Given. We either download them from various specified sites or newbies 
get a CD when they receive hardware that is used by the sponsor's programs.


Add-Remove would be a very good answer, except for one thing. Understand 
that I'm in Win7 so CP takes on a different form. On Control Panel 
Add-Remove, I can find exactly two Python files: Python 2.5, and 
python-Numpy-1.2.0. No scipy anything. Well, this is interesting. I just 
noticed Martin v. Loewis on the Python 2.5 entry. That's you, right?


msiexec. Don't need it automated now, but it might be worthwhile, at 
some future point.


I think I posted the errors my partner got above. Let me look. Yes, 
here's the copy.

He gets

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File C:\Documents and 
Settings\HP_Administrator.DavesDesktop\Desktop\NC-FireballReport20100729.py, 
line 40, in module

from scipy import stats as stats # scoreatpercentile
  File C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\scipy\stats\__init__.py, line 7, 
in module

from stats import *
  File C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\scipy\stats\stats.py, line 191, 
in module

import scipy.special as special
  File C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\scipy\special\__init__.py, line 
22, in module

from numpy.testing import NumpyTest
ImportError: cannot import name NumpyTest

Here are the first few lines of code.

import sys, os, glob
import string
from numpy import *
from datetime import datetime, timedelta
import time
from scipy import stats as stats # scoreatpercentile
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Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?




I would think there are some small time and big time Python players who sell
executable versions of their programs for profit?


Yes. What's your point?
That someone must know how to distribute them without having the source 
code ripped off.



disutils. Sounds familiar. I'm pretty sure I was using Py2Exe, and disutils
might have been part of it.


distutils.

http://docs.python.org/library/distutils.html
I don't see ;how distutils is going to solve this problem. Are you 
suggesting the program should be packaged? Why? I can just send it to 
him as py code. distutils looks like it's for library modules, e.g., 
functions like math.



So how does one keep a non-Python user in lock step with my setup, so these
problems don't arise? I don't even want to think about having him uninstall
and re-install. :-) Although maybe he could do it without making matters
worse.


That's going to hinge on what your dependencies are.

Geremy Condra


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Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?


I can't respond to otten directly, since he uses gmane. Here's my response.

W. eWatson wrote:

  I would think there are some small time and big time Python 
players who

  sell executable versions of their programs for profit?
 
  Yes. What's your point?
  That someone must know how to distribute them without having the source
  code ripped off.
Ott wrote?
Yes, but he won't tell for fear of getting ripped off of his knowledge.


Who won't tell? Why would I send you the py code, for example, if I 
wanted to protect it because of its importance? I'd put it in exe form 
and send it and allow you to input data to produce the desired result of 
the program.

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Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?


On 8/6/2010 9:03 AM, Peter Otten wrote:
...


Seriously, I try to make a joke once in a while, usually with devastating
results. The idea you were meant to take away was that once you start
thinking about a protection scheme there is always a next step until you
reach the point where your software, say, is completely safe, but also
completely unusable. Had Guido started the language in that mindset there
would be no Python for you to worry about its ripp-off safety.


Why would I send you the py code, for example, if I
wanted to protect it because of its importance?


Because if you think again you may find that it's not as important as you
think?


I'd put it in exe form
and send it and allow you to input data to produce the desired result of
the program.


There is no analog in python, and if you cannot concentrate on your honest
customers the only option that offers reasonable safety would be to turn
your application into web service.

Peter
So you think Python is part of open software in terms of distributing a 
product? So I should stick to C, where one can distribute programs w/o 
revealing code details, and having a customer compile the code?  It's 
been awhile since I've used Linux or Unix, but I think there's a lot of 
commercial code out there dependent upon it, and the users do not have 
to compile anything.



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Re: [Tutor] Finding the version # of a module, and py module problem