[RBW] Re: WTB: Wide range double crankset

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am not expert enough to explain where the differences come from, but 
different cranks use different bb spindle lengths to get the same 
configuration.  The Sugino AT's just happen to use a relatively long 
spindle but once installed they clear the chainstays exactly as they 
should.  That said, being a triple, the Q factor is going to be more than a 
double.

Sheldon's BB chart is here:  https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bbsize.html  
(scroll down to the Sugino section for the Sugino AT)
I wish there were more Q factors filled in but hopefully there is enough 
info there to do some comparisons.

If you do go with a double, the IRD compact double (46/30) might be on your 
list... I have that on a Hilsen and it works great.  I am sure there are 
other great options as well.
http://boulderbicycle.bike/IRD-Compact-Crank-46-30-assorted-lengths.html

Hopefully other AT users (or ??) will chime in with more knowledge and 
experience...

Bob



On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 5:41:04 PM UTC-5 Joe M. wrote:

> Crank length 170mm. The AT's are really nice. I'm afraid that going with 
> that wide of a BB may not feel right. Can you folks with experience with 
> the AT shed some light on this? I'm 5'10 with a PBH of 85. I imagine if I 
> was taller I may not notice the wide Q. I don't have experience with 
> anything that wide. Thanks!
>
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Wide range double crankset

[Bob Lovejoy]

I have had great luck using the IRD QB-95 BB (127.5) with the AT cranks, at 
times using a drive side spacer (sorry I do remember but I will guess at 
3-5mm for the spacer).

http://boulderbicycle.bike/IRD-JIS-Bottom-Bracket-QB-95-lots-of-sizes-best-bb-option-REGARDLESS-of-cost.html

The AT's are great cranks if you stay with a triple... and the BB cost is 
going to be less than a different crankset.

Bob
Galesburg, IL

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 2:02:53 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> What crank length Joe?
> The AT  may need a 127mm bb with a +5mm to the drive side. 
> There is currently a cup and cone unit on eBay. 
> Those ATs are pretty nice cranks, it may be worth sourcing the correct bb. 
>
> Ray
>
> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 10:40:36 AM UTC-7 Joe M. wrote:
>
>> I'm building a Sam and setting it up with a 12-32 8-speed cassette. I 
>> have a Sugino AT 24/34/46 that won't fit, even with a 122.5mm BB! It fits 
>> as a double but I want more granny gearing!
>>
>> Does anyone have a wide range double that they'd be willing to part with. 
>> Ideally it would be 26/42. A Rene Herse or Specialties TA Pro 5 Vis would 
>> be the bees knees!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joe from Los Angeles
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Appaloosa F/F/HS

[Bob Lovejoy]

David,

Here is a chart from the Riv site:  
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/pubic-bone-height-how-to-measure-your-pbh

Bob
On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 8:13:00 AM UTC-6 David Wadstrup wrote:

> Good morning, Bones,
>
> Just sent a PM.
>
>
> Is anyone able to tell me what the PBH range is for this 62cm frame? I've 
> hunted around online and can't turn anything up.
>
> Thanks all!
>
> David
> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 10:07:04 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>
>> Bump. I'll drop the price for local pickup to $900. Make me an offer.
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 3:35:29 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> $1000 shipped CONUS or can arrange for local pickup (NJ, outside of 
>>> Philadelphia)
>>>
>>> Ever since I moved the kiddos over to my Cargo Clem I've had a hard time 
>>> finding a job for my Apploosa. It's a wonderful bike but I simply do not 
>>> need an All-Rounder while I have other bikes better suited to each type of 
>>> riding I do. Two years of beausage. No dents or dings other than some mild 
>>> depressions on the chainstays from the super-duper kickstand I used to use. 
>>> There are some moderate scrapes near the crank and inside the drive side 
>>> chainstay (loose chain incident). Other small scrapes here and there. The 
>>> attached pictures should show it all.
>>>
>>> Please PM me with any questions. Thanks!
>>> Bones
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Sweater vests available...

[Bob Lovejoy]

I saw a notification on FB on this... but sorry if I missed it here or 
wherever.

Sweater vests would seem to be available!  The note I saw said this was the 
last run...  

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/cheviot-woolywarm-vest?variant=31894741057647

Fall weather soon... just sayin'... Support Rivendell, support England, 
support Cheviot sheep, and stay warm as well.  

Bob

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[RBW] Re: A few Cheviot sweaters available...

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Ben,

Just my take, and possibly different than others...

I think the more slim you are the more the sweaters run true to size.  That 
said, being not as slim as I would like, I sized up and that approach ended 
up working really well for me (from an XL to 2XL).  I normally wear XL 
shirts and t-shirts.

Only you can decide where you fall on the slim scale, or how you prefer 
things to fit, so advice can only go so far.  That said, the sweaters are 
beautiful, warm and of real quality.

Bob



On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 8:21:23 AM UTC-5, Ben Mihovk wrote:
>
> Seriously tempted by a large. Anyone have any insights on sizing? I go 
> between large and xl t-shirts, wear large in a universal sized button up. 
> Do these run true, small, large? Any thoughts would help!
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
>
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[RBW] A few Cheviot sweaters available...

[Bob Lovejoy]

I noticed there were a few of the Cheviot sweaters back up on the site.  
Small, medium and large I think.

With the weather starting to change in places, might be good to plan.  And 
hopefully once these are gone, they will order more, the sweaters and the 
sweater vests.

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/cheviot-wool-sweater-preorder?variant=29463551475823

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bikes and frames for now... Bags, components, misc. to follow

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Edwin,

Agreed!  I have to be somewhere soon but I will get those prices out to the
two lists later today.  This was all done somewhat, uhhh, chaotically?  Not
quite that, but I figured I was missing some things I should be doing
differently.

Thanks,

Bob

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 2:04 PM Edwin W  wrote:

> Cool bikes!
>
> Tip: to see the information click on the "see more" tab on the top picture
> in the middle.
> Bob - I think you should add the prices to the post, so people don't have
> to click around a bunch to see a bike that is too cheap (haha) or too
> expensive for their budget.
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 12:41:28 PM UTC-5, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>>
>> (Cross posted with the iBob list)...
>>
>> I am finally getting around to listing some bikes and frames that need to
>> find new homes.  I am planning both a move and some exploring so space and
>> becoming a little more minimalist seem important.
>>
>> I will be adding pictures and probably more information ASAP, the
>> additional I know I need (like pictures of the bags for the Brompton) as
>> well as anything requested.  Respond directly (DM) to me with any
>> questions, requests for better pictures or information, offers or intent,
>> etc.
>>
>> For now, I am only considering selling the Appaloosa and Cheviot as
>> complete bikes, and only with local pickup or possible delivery or meeting
>> (within 150 miles of 61401).  If they do not sell as completes, I will
>> probably sell the frames and components separately, but for now.. completes
>> only for the two Rivendells and the Trek.  And local pickup/delivery only
>> for the Appaloosa and the Cheviot for now.
>>
>> Let me know of any questions, problems with viewing etc.  Prices,
>> descriptions, measurements, etc. are included in the listings
>> (hopefully...).  Be sure to expand the full heading/description.  I have
>> also added a few comments to specific pictures (and will keep updating as
>> needed).  I will go back and check again but let me know if anything needed
>> is missing.
>>
>> And apologies for the pictures so far... I will try and take better ones
>> as needed.
>>
>> Rivendell Joe Appaloosa - 58cm frame - silver - double TT - SON/Phil
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGpFRD
>>
>> Rivendell Cheviot - 60cm frame - silver - Paul CP brakes
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGna5U
>>
>> Trek 720 (1983/84) - great bike, great build...
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGnhJ5
>>
>> Brompton M6R - 2017 - very little use on this one.  I have had two other
>> Bromptons and used them almost daily.  But here in a smaller town there is
>> not much need or advantage (though traveling is always possible).
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGnnLz
>>
>> Soma Saga Disc frame/forh/hs/bell!
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGob4z
>>
>> Raleigh Randonneur frame/fork/hs (Cane Creek 110)/racks/bags
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGepVV
>>
>>
>> There is at least one more (Zunow frame) I will list, maybe two, but
>> these are what I know best for now.
>>
>> Payment would be through Paypal (full goods and services) but do not
>> attempt to send payment before communicating with me.
>>
>> Let me know of any questions (directly through DM).  Like I said, I will
>> be listing more things in the next week or so, either here or on Ebay.  If
>> it seems appropriate to the group, I will try and list things here first.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob Lovejoy
>> Galesburg, IL
>>
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[RBW] FS: Bikes and frames for now... Bags, components, misc. to follow

[Bob Lovejoy]

(Cross posted with the iBob list)...

I am finally getting around to listing some bikes and frames that need to 
find new homes.  I am planning both a move and some exploring so space and 
becoming a little more minimalist seem important.  

I will be adding pictures and probably more information ASAP, the 
additional I know I need (like pictures of the bags for the Brompton) as 
well as anything requested.  Respond directly (DM) to me with any 
questions, requests for better pictures or information, offers or intent, 
etc.

For now, I am only considering selling the Appaloosa and Cheviot as 
complete bikes, and only with local pickup or possible delivery or meeting 
(within 150 miles of 61401).  If they do not sell as completes, I will 
probably sell the frames and components separately, but for now.. completes 
only for the two Rivendells and the Trek.  And local pickup/delivery only 
for the Appaloosa and the Cheviot for now.

Let me know of any questions, problems with viewing etc.  Prices, 
descriptions, measurements, etc. are included in the listings 
(hopefully...).  Be sure to expand the full heading/description.  I have 
also added a few comments to specific pictures (and will keep updating as 
needed).  I will go back and check again but let me know if anything needed 
is missing.

And apologies for the pictures so far... I will try and take better ones as 
needed.

Rivendell Joe Appaloosa - 58cm frame - silver - double TT - SON/Phil
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGpFRD

Rivendell Cheviot - 60cm frame - silver - Paul CP brakes
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGna5U

Trek 720 (1983/84) - great bike, great build...
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGnhJ5

Brompton M6R - 2017 - very little use on this one.  I have had two other 
Bromptons and used them almost daily.  But here in a smaller town there is 
not much need or advantage (though traveling is always possible).
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGnnLz

Soma Saga Disc frame/forh/hs/bell!
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGob4z

Raleigh Randonneur frame/fork/hs (Cane Creek 110)/racks/bags
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGepVV


There is at least one more (Zunow frame) I will list, maybe two, but these 
are what I know best for now.

Payment would be through Paypal (full goods and services) but do not 
attempt to send payment before communicating with me.

Let me know of any questions (directly through DM).  Like I said, I will be 
listing more things in the next week or so, either here or on Ebay.  If it 
seems appropriate to the group, I will try and list things here first.

Thanks,

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Just a data point, but I just saw a blog post from Blue Lug in Japan 
comparing the older and newer versions of the Clem L / Clementine...  I 
used Google translate (for the Japanese->English) and though only so much 
came through well, it was still worth reading.  The pictures themselves are 
good illustrations of the differences.  Again, just another data point, 
with no judgements or opinions attached...

https://bluelug.com/blog/kamiuma/115773/?fbclid=IwAR1vJ-9QP9AL9XIungFtrVL7bOGqCdZk-FOiaKEuxM_6nxyTu-ysUCPqtEs

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Leah,

I was moving bikes around and remembered you had asked about 60cm Cheviot 
lengths and wheelbases?

I measure 48 inches dropout-to-dropout.
Using 700x38 rims/tires, those add ~27.5" to the total length, so ~75.5 
inches total, 
plus maybe a little for a rear fender if so equipped.

And that is with 54cm chainstays (measured and true to the online spec)

Hope that helps...!

Bob

P.S.  My Cheviot has managed to live a more sheltered life than the 
lambbo's!?  All paint, well, 99.8%?, still on the bike and glad to be I 
think...


On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 8:40:30 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I really like this story, but for the forced beausage. Scraping off paint? 
> That hurt to read. Anyway, I love that you love your Chev and it is so good 
> to know that you find it the ultimate comfortable commuter. That’s the 
> sweet spot for a bike for me. 
>
> Do you happen to know how long your 60 Chev is? I’m curious how a 60 Chev 
> measures up to a 52 Clem L when you measure the wheelbase. If you know, 
> will you leave it here? 
>
> Thanks,
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Leah,

I only respond here as I do sincerely feel your pain, at least that 
something-like-pain that comes from expecting one thing and getting 
another.  With your real life experience with the mixte type of 
Rivendell's, you should have had the most knowledge and yet you were still 
caught off guard.  It occurs to me you are at somewhat of a disadvantage, 
in that you know what the bikes have been, how they ride, what you love, 
all of that and more.  Someone buying their first and possibly only 
Rivendell would not know the difference, with nothing to compare to.

I suppose if I had one Rivendell marketing wish, it would be that any 
changes made to an existing design would be clearly published, easily 
found, and with the necessary geometry or specification numbers to compare. 
 And there could be a short explanation of the changes and the hoped for 
improvements.  If changes are made, they should at least have a clear way 
to distinguish between v1/v2/v3... And any and all of that should not be 
buried in blagh's, blogs, side comments or anywhere else where you have to 
be in the know to find it.  

Not that I am any kind of expert but I do have three somewhat modern day 
Rivendells - a Cheviot, an Appaloosa, and a Hilsen - all built up well and 
dialed in for their intended use.  I do love the bikes, I do, I do.  But I 
study the specs, I try to understand the geometry and sizing, and even then 
it has felt like a gamble at times.

And you are absolutely right about the real-world considerations... Not 
fitting in or on available bike racks, public or private, is a problem! 
 Not being able to carry a bike down a set of stairs and make the corner at 
the bottom can be a problem!  I am absolutely sure the new long (and then 
longer...) designs are more stable in a lot of situations, most 
specifically in the hills outside Walnut Creek, CA, but I do not have many 
such hills... but I do have stairs and I do like to take my bike other 
places to explore.  And I would love to know enough to just be able to 
recommend Rivendells (new or used) to anyone asking.  But, yeah  I 
mean, are the next run of Appaloosa's at least mostly the same, or close 
enough to advise someone based on mine?  Are the Cheviot's changing?  Will 
the Clem's change more?  Someone finds a Hillborne for sale... but what 
year, what design?

Anyway, enough words from me.  I do love the Rivendell bikes I have and 
certainly agree with almost all of the vision behind the designs, the steel 
frames, the handling, the quality, the notion that someone should be able 
to work on and customize their own bike.  But still... 

Let it be known though that I love the fact you found Rivendell and ride 
your bikes like you do!  Thanks for the riding, the reports, the bike 
decorating, all of it!

Best to you this new year,

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: Get This Man A Rivendell

[Bob Lovejoy]

And a modern, artful and available 
version... https://www.ahearnecycles.com/cycletruck

Not to say the rider's bike is not artful because it is.  With a disc up 
front, v-brakes in the rear, it makes me think there was some tinkering and 
work going on.  Oh, and I am assuming low trail(!), though planing would 
probably be more of a problem than a feature.

Cool bikes!

Bob Lovejoy
Soon to be back in Galesburg, IL!


On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 7:49:44 AM UTC-6, Steve Cole wrote:
>
> This photo appeared in today's Washington Post in a brief story about the 
> snowstorm that hit the Northeast yesterday. I love the bike.  Other than 
> two different sized wheels, it could easily be a Rivendell -- steel frame, 
> basket up front, fenders, etc.  I love it.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] PSA: NY Craigslist 59cm Romulus Cantilever Version, 700c wheels, $900 complete bike

[Bob Lovejoy]

See the link I posted (prior to this one).  The PBH recommendations are 
there.  That said, keep in mind the tires size you would be using.  The 
linked "catalog" standover was with 700x27mm tires.

Bob

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 6:20:16 PM UTC-6, Conor Skelding wrote:
>
> Thanks for sending! Anyone on-list have the PBH chart for this one?
>
> Conor
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 3:58 PM Roberta > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendell-romulus-cantilever/7023094998.html
>>
>> NY Craigslist 59cm Romulus Cantilever Version, 700c wheels, $900 complete 
>> bike.  It's noted as excellent condition.
>>
>> Not related to seller, never have seen the bike.  It came up on my CL 
>> Rivendell search feed.  
>>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: NY Craigslist 59cm Romulus Cantilever Version, 700c wheels, $900 complete bike

[Bob Lovejoy]

I was thinking this was a 61cm frame, but that's why we have the 
internet... 59cm frame based on the top tube.

For the curious I found this in Cyclofiend's great stash of pictures and 
doc:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html

I had a 61cm non-canti Romulus and it was one of my all time favorite bikes.

Bob Lovejoy
Cedar Rapids, IA  

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[RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Bob Lovejoy]

And the potential future Appaloosa sizing would seem to be pretty different 
than the previous version, at least at first glance, most especially with 
relative top tube length.  I understand "just ride" but it seems harder to 
me than it should to keep up with the changes, especially over the years. 
 Studying the correct charts and making calls to Rivendell both seem well 
advised.  

Bob Lovejoy
Cedar Rapids, IA 

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 9:39:26 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Atlantis preorder is available also. Maybe there will be another run of 
> Appaloosa coming. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca
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[RBW] Re: 2018 gift cards disabled?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Excellent!!  I had complete faith it would work out but still, on a holiday 
and early in CA at that...  Very cool!

Bob

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> All sorted! Outstanding customer service, even on a holiday!
>  Harald
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[RBW] Re: 2018 gift cards disabled?

[Bob Lovejoy]

It might be worth a call to Rivendell but this is on the site.  I cannot 
swear the gift card system and Rivendollars were the same but, well, maybe, 
probably...

https://www.rivbike.com/pages/rivendollars-faq

Bob


On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 8:03:38 AM UTC-5, Harald Kliems wrote:
>
> Good morning:
> I was going to order some bits and pieces from Rivendell this morning and 
> remembered that I had a bunch of $10 gift certificates from Grant's Hail 
> Mary fundraising effort in early 2018. So I dug through my emails and 
> clicked on the "view your gift card" link. The window that comes up says 
> that the card is disabled, and using the code in the shop doesn't work 
> either. I'm reasonably sure that I didn't already use the cards.
>
> Did Rivendell switch to a new gift card system at some point? I don't 
> remember seeing anything, but I admittedly don't read all of the Rivendell 
> emails too closely. Before I reach out to Riv, I quickly wanted to ask here 
> if I missed anything.
> Thanks,
>  Harald, Madison (WI)
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Re: [RBW] Chevoit or Clem jr L

[Bob Lovejoy]

It is a 59cm and silver, so might be too big or the wrong color, but it 
seems Chris at his new shop (formerly A1 Cyclery) has one in stock, and on 
sale, at least a bit.  

https://thepsychicderailleur.com/product/rivendell-clem-smith-jr-l/

No affiliation except that I wanted to see A1 before it closed and moved!

Bob
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[RBW] Re: In praise of Pletscher single touring kickstand

[Bob Lovejoy]

Agreed... I just today installed the touring version on a 60cm Cheviot, 
replacing the non-touring Pletscher, and the bike feels much more stable 
when parked.  I really like the fact you do not have to cut the leg, making 
it both easier to get right on the length and, if you want to experiment 
with it on different bikes, you can just readjust longer or shorter as 
needed.  It also comes with a fairly substantial rubber foot, something 
that usually needed to be added to the previous versions.

I love it when upgrades actually work well on the first try!  

Bob


On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 5:04:25 PM UTC-5, Ash wrote:
>
> Installed this kickstand 
> 
>  
> on my new 46cm Appa build.  I just have not seen a better kickstand!  I 
> have tried many.   I think the Pletscher is as good as it can be made. 
>  Very sturdy.   Clicks in place solid, but softly, without rattling sound. 
>  Looks cool too.  Super happy with it.
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2012 59cm A. Homer Hilsen

[Bob Lovejoy]

That looks to be Jenny's (with or formerly with Rivendell?)...

https://www.rivbike.com/pages/jennys-staff-bikes

Cool bike!

Bob
 

On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 9:11:02 AM UTC-5, Eric Myers wrote:
>
>
> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/sacramento-59cm-rivendell-homer-hilsen/6841650995.html
>
> No affiliation to seller
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[RBW] Re: Spare Nitto Parts?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Maybe this?

https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-seat-clamp-bolt-assembly---s65/seatpost_part_nitto__870-972-10/product

Bob

On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 12:06:02 AM UTC-6, Matt wrote:
>
> Anybody know if there's a way to get spare Nitto parts or if they come 
> complete and that's that?
>
> I have a Nitto S65 seatpost that is perfectly good other than the square 
> nut that holds the horizontal is too stripped down to hold any longer. It's 
> this bit:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/gcc6sP7dzYa8RmQ77
>
> I also now have a Nitto R-10 that I installed in an unrecommended way and 
> then took over a lot of hard dirt miles in the Verdugos. The bolt that 
> holds the rack to the seatpost clamp was so shook from the load, it shed 
> its nut and stripped the threads on the way out. But all I need is a new 
> back half of that clamp assembly and it's repaired.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Swaping one Riv for another

[Bob Lovejoy]

I would absolutely vote for the 56cm/650b Atlantis, especially if you are 
planning on using drop bars.  I do not have nor have I ridden a new 
Atlantis, but we are right at the same size and that's the frame I would 
choose.  It might be different if you knew you were going to run 
upright/swept bars but still, maybe not.  I agree with the way you are 
thinking!

Bob
Galesburg, IL



On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 9:14:38 PM UTC-6, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the replies. I'm thinking hard about this.
> I have an 89 PBH,  78.5 cm saddle height, and ride a 58 Sam. It's perfect. 
> I have come to the conclusion that, with long legs and short torso, I 
> prefer a short stem (I use a 7cm on the Sam) and top tube no greater than 
> 59cm. The height of the frame doesn't seem to matter as much as the length. 
> Although aesthetically, I like the French-style "fist full of post", when I 
> ride, all I care about is length of top tube.
> I have a great desire to avoid toe overlap on my next Rivendell - not 
> because it's terrible, but it can be annoying, and since, for city riding, 
> I do a lot of slow, stop-and-go riding, I can incur overlap fairly often 
> (not large feet, but I use Berthoud fenders, which reduce clearance a bit). 
> I would not worry about it for "road riding", but for city, stop-and-go, 
> trackstanding, it can be problematic.
> I am of the opinion, since I ride with bars below saddle height and use 
> drops (would even use drops on the Atlantis),that I'd be okay on the 56 
> 650B. Are there dissenting thoughts otherwise?
> (I must admit that I was spurred to thoughts of an Atlantis by the latest 
> blahg post. I would hate, hate, hate, to miss out on another Riv).
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike shows and Rivendell

[Bob Lovejoy]

I do totally agree it's a good thing for Rivendell to be out in the bike 
world a bit, very specifically in the bike world of the creators, the 
thinkers, the artists, the testers, the believers, their people.  And 
others get to see what Rivendell is up to as well.  I tend to believe 
people need to be talking rather than just hoping their island can hang on. 
 I have also found that the smartest I can be is in a room full of smart 
people, all trying to figure things out...

Having Rivendell, Crust, Tumbleweed, Jones people and others all walk into 
the bar, well, that would be something...

Bob


On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 3:27:46 PM UTC-6, Erik Wright wrote:
>
> Holy smokes! At PBE 2018 I was thinking "man, it would be cool if Riv were 
> here." Dreams do come true. I wonder if this is some kind of 2019 plan they 
> have to expand their audience?
>
> Erik, Philly
>
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[RBW] Re: Bike shows and Rivendell

[Bob Lovejoy]

I do totally agree it's a good thing for Rivendell to be out in the bike 
world a bit, very specifically in the bike world of the creators, the 
thinkers, the artists, the testers, the believers, their people.  And 
others get to see what Rivendell is up to as well.  I tend to believe 
people need to be talking rather than hoping their island can hang on.  I 
have also found that the smartest I can be is in a room full of smart 
people, all trying to figure things out...

Not that is has anything to do with anything, but I went to the NAHBS when 
it was in Denver and I talked to this "kid" (anyone under 29 qualifying) 
and he had been making frames for friends in the UK. There he was in 
England, but he read about the NAHBS show, and well, he decided he was to 
going to make the best frame and bike he knew how, and he was going to that 
show.  And he did!  And his bike was really well done and thought out.  And 
it was so cool he had done that.  I am pretty sure he rode that bike to the 
show from wherever he was staying in Denver, wiping it down before putting 
it up on the table with, I think, a borrowed stand.  He did not have cab 
fare or whatever but he did have his bike.   So cool... Still makes me 
smile.

And it turns out he is still out there making bikes!  Shed6 Cycles, as he 
originally rented a storage shed to start building, and it was #6...  
https://www.shed6cycles.com

So, yeah, meeting people like that just has to help and make one smile, 
anyone loving bikes, riding, adventures, all of that anyway.

Having Rivendell, Crust, Tumbleweed, Jones people and others all walk into 
the bar, well, that would be something...

Bob


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>
> Holy smokes! At PBE 2018 I was thinking "man, it would be cool if Riv were 
> here." Dreams do come true. I wonder if this is some kind of 2019 plan they 
> have to expand their audience?
>
> Erik, Philly
>
>

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[RBW] Bike shows and Rivendell

[Bob Lovejoy]

I could have easily missed earlier times, but I did notice that Rivendell 
is listed as an exhibitor at both the upcoming NAHBS shows as well as the 
Philly Bike Expo later in the year.  I like it!  Not that I will be able to 
attend either, not the current plan anyway, but I am glad they will be 
there.

https://www.nahbs.com

https://phillybikeexpo.com

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am hoping the Wavie bars find their way to whatbars.com soon...  Does 
anyone know if they are already there but under a different name?

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[RBW] Re: MIT AHH reviews?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Well, I have one, a 61.5cm version (me - 89pbh, saddle height 78-79cm) but 
certainly lately I have been at the mercy of the snow, ice and cold that 
Sean B. mentions.  I did get to ride some (not enough!) before the weather 
blew in, seemingly to stay.

I like it a lot!  It is incredibly comfortable and I seem to have done my 
guessing and math, at least for the positioning, stem length, all of that 
really well.  Once I am riding, the bike seems to fit perfectly.  It is 
supremely comfortable, handles well and predictably, and does everything 
asked.  I did all of my usual "let's try this" tests... charging hills 
(both sitting and spinning as well as out of saddle, giving it everything), 
riding in fairly tight groups, making both quick and planned turns and 
evasive maneuvers, cruising for long distances... and otherwise just normal 
riding.  All good, and that was from day one.

That said, the Riv sizing has evolved to a place where I seem to find 
myself between sizes more than I want.  I am accustomed to riding frames 
larger than most would recommend, as I did as a kid all the way through 
college.  But with 700x38's (Compass) on the Hilsen, tire size not 
necessarily max'ed, sloping top tube and all, it built into a very tall 
bike (maybe 34-34.5" SO just ahead of the saddle).  I need to ride it more, 
and I will probably adapt, but I went for a cold weather ride before real 
winter set in, in bulky and probably less than athletic clothes, and I 
definitely could feel the height, mostly as I dismounted.  We'll see how 
that goes and I am absolutely sure summer bike clothes will help.  And, 
like I said, once riding, the bike feels perfect.  I suppose I should 
mention I am 65, so not quite as flexible as some.

I will also add that the bike I was riding the most up until the AHH is a 
650b conversion (62cm Katakura Silk frame). I am running 650x38 Compass 
tires as well on that bike so it has been a great comparison.  And the very 
preliminary verdict is... I am spoiled by 650b's.  They just fit my riding 
a tad better, but I ride a lot in town, or in groups, and the slight edge 
in maneuvering is something you get used to.  The 700's probably handle the 
big miles better and may be faster (for all or some), but the difference is 
there.  Where the 650B's jump, the 700's spin up.  I want to explore that 
more as I know I just need to understand the "big" 700's a little better.

With all of that, I definitely love the bike, but I would also love to ride 
a 58cm (650b) back to back with mine.  The reason I went to the larger 
frame was primarily because I already had a great 700c wheelset I wanted to 
use.  Also, Riv shows a 61.5 to be the size for an 89pbh, though that is 
the lowest end of that range.  But they also list figures that would make 
it sound like SO on a 61.5 AHH and a 58cm Appaloosa are the same and that 
does not seem to be entirely correct.  I have an Appaloosa as well (700x50 
Schwalbe Almotion's) and SO is a good 3/4" less.

Once the roads clear a bit I will put up pictures and a more complete 
review!  Sorry for all the vague words here. 

Here's to an early spring?

Bob 
Galesburg, IL 

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[RBW] Re: Roadini handlebar ideas

[Bob Lovejoy]

And I would add that I found I did not need much adjustment to make a big 
difference... YMMV of course, and I don't disagree with needing and wanting 
a bike to look as well as ride how we want.  That said, it such an easy and 
inexpensive thing to try (assuming cabling will allow)... Plus you learn 
more about what might work better.

Bob

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 2:22:14 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Tom, spoiler: You won't like the look. But jacked up Noodles feel GREAT!

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[RBW] Re: Riv HHH tandem fundraiser 2.0, updated campaign!

[Bob Lovejoy]

Bump!

And back into the light...

Bob

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[RBW] Re: HubbuhHubbuh email from Riv & donation idea

[Bob Lovejoy]

Something akin to a bump, but here is the thread for the renewed, 2.0 
campaign...
>
>
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/jpYTGIwgMEc/Eyogj9YjFAAJ

https://www.gofundme.com/riv-hhh-tandem-fundraiser-20?utm_source=internal_medium=email_content=campaign_link_t_campaign=welcome

Cold, frozen but at least the sun is out here...

Bob
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: Roadini handlebar ideas

[Bob Lovejoy]

Tom,

I use MAP/Ahearne's on another bike, have used Nitto Bullmoose bars, and am 
also interested in the Wavie bars once they're available.

That said, one of the adjustments I made this last year was raising my drop 
bar config up some and that change made an incredible difference.  I had 
hurt my left arm the year before and my normal bar height (slightly below 
saddle) was just too uncomfortable.  With that, I raised the bar height 
maybe 2-3cm (so bars a little above saddle) and it did indeed take some 
pressure off the injured arm.  What surprised me though was that now I felt 
so much more comfortable overall, and it felt a lot more natural to use the 
drops (here in the Illinois wind) which I seldom did before. 

Anyway, if possible, and before changing too much, I would suggest playing 
with bar height to see if it makes a difference.  It's easy (assuming a 
long enough stem), quickly reversible, and if it does not work well enough, 
no harm and no cost in the trying.

Best of luck in the looking and the testing,

Bob
 

On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 8:22:49 PM UTC-6, tc wrote:
>
> For obvious reasons, it makes sense that most Roadinis will have 
> traditional drops.  I have a  46 Noodle on mine, the idea being that the 
> Roadini is my dedicated go-fast bike for 10-40 milers.  I like the various 
> hand positions a drop affords for the longer trips.
>
> However...I'm finding myself not riding the Roadini as much lately 
> because,  frankly,  the Noodles aren't as comfortable for me.  This saddens 
> me greatly.  I'm not doing as many 'training' rides, for which the Roadini 
> served me well.  I find that, if I don't to longish rides often, drops are 
> harder to like.  I do stretch regularly, but I think the culprit is the 
> lack of longer stints in the saddle. 
>
> Until I get to a point where I can do more, and longer, training rides, I 
> would like to look forward to riding the Roadini, and that means different 
> bars for now.  I have the Ahearne+Map bar on my Homer and Atlantis, and 
> it's great, so that's an option.  I'd try the Riv/Nitto Wavie bar, but who 
> knows when they'll be available.  Really interested in similar bars others 
> may have tried.
>
> I do not like bars that put me in a bolt upright, sit-up-and-beg position.
>
> So far I've seen the Bullmoose and the Alabastache bar on Roadinis owned 
> by Bunch contributors.  If you have found yet a different bar that works 
> for you, please share and provide a pic or two!
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Just your average Clem Smith.... not!

[Bob Lovejoy]

Koga touring bikes can, I believe, be spec'ed with Magura brakes...
>
> https://www.koga.com/en/bikes/trekking/collection/traveller.htm?frame=H

A bike tourist who came through town was riding his, heading for the west 
coast (by Amtrak from Galesburg as his visa time limit was approaching), 
then biking to Central and possibly South America.  I still follow him on 
his blog...
https://www.orangeguyonabike.com/home-english?utm_campaign=a61b090c-e620-4408-9dd4-a1f276be1f8e_source=so
...which I find pretty amazing. 

I have to admit I was a bit worried about him for his trip, and not 
necessarily for the brakes(!), but he has done amazingly well.

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Inventory Management Project - buy a hub

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Marc,

I just sent an offline message... and thanks for making this known and 
available.  I suppose it is not the kind of thing needed very often but I 
am intrigued by the idea of being able to create small parts as envisioned 
and designed.  I need to learn more about what is possible these days!

Thanks for the info and the help.  

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 10:51:56 AM UTC-6, Marc Pfister wrote:
>
>
> If you don't plan to mount a rack but would like have a 50mm rack-style 
> dyno tail light, I have an adjustable design for a light bracket that 
> mounts to the rack bosses. You can configure the model to fit your bike,  
> download it, and send the model to be 3d printed:
>
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3091821 and
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3093032
>
> One has the bracket arms parallel to the face of the light. The other has 
> arms at 45 degrees to more efficiently bridge over cantilever and 
> centerpull brake cables.
>
> I have my own 3d printer so can also assist in getting these into the 
> hands of anyone that wants one. Just email me off-list.
>
> Marc Pfister
> Windsor CO
>  
>

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[RBW] Just your average Clem Smith.... not!

[Bob Lovejoy]

No affiliation to the seller and have no knowledge of the bike... but wow!? 
 Possibly the most lavished upon Clem in the world.  Not saying it 
shouldn't be done, but still... Makes me laugh to think how builds can take 
on a life - and budget - of their own.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-with-rohloff/6788752899.html

Bob


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[RBW] Re: Inventory Management Project - buy a hub

[Bob Lovejoy]

Oh, and please excuse the current wiring and such.  I am still 
experimenting with light placement and actually changed the whole thing 
around just before today's ride.

One thing of note, and I am not sure it is all that elegant, but I used one 
of the rear tail light mounts (for a Clem rack) to mount a rear facing SON 
taillight, there between the seat stays.  I did not have room on the seat 
post for mounting there and also did not want to use a rack (as adding 
racks and weight are my normal approach).  Anyway, it works!  

Bob 

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Re: [RBW] Possible issue with Nitto Tallux stem and Nitto Albatross bars

[Bob Lovejoy]

Sean, are you absolutely sure of the clamp size of the stem you have?  The 
Albatross bars are spec'ed at 25.4 (I believe) and the Tallux stem is 
available in 25.4 or 26.0.  A 26.0 version would cause what you are 
describing, at least without using shims.  I know some stems are clearly 
marked but I do not know about the Tallux.

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: HubbuhHubbuh email from Riv & donation idea

[Bob Lovejoy]

Agreed on the sizing question... I was just going at it from the idea of 
supporting Rivendell, getting a great, fun and useful bike out into the 
world, and certainly the mission of the BTCC.

I do hope they are able to get enough commitments to do another tandem 
order.

Bob


On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 10:51:59 AM UTC-6, tc wrote:
>
> Right, Bob, but part of the point was to add 1 to the pre-sale Hubbuh 
> order to increase the chances that there will even BE another run of 
> Hubbuh’s. 
>
> Also, I’m guessing, to accommodate more riders, they would probably prefer 
> a small or medium frame. 
>
> Tom
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: HubbuhHubbuh email from Riv & donation idea

[Bob Lovejoy]

I will say that Riv shows to have large tandem frames available... sage and 
orange?  I am just going from the website on that though... 

Alex, thanks for doing this.. and thanks to all for considering it!

Bob


On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 9:36:40 AM UTC-6, tc wrote:
>
> ...and that's only if enough people place a Hubbuh order!
>
> On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 10:35:31 AM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>>
>> Good thinking, Alex.  Hopefully something like this is cause for 
>> celebration, not concern.  If you catch up with her, it will be good to let 
>> her know the frame won't actually arrive for 6-8 months, if I remember 
>> Grant's post correctly.
>>
>> Tom
>>
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[RBW] Re: long reach calipers in the wet?

[Bob Lovejoy]

I will just add that you could use good center pull brakes as well - 
Paul's, Dia Compe GC700(?), others?  I do have R559's on a 650B conversion 
(with Kool Stop pads) and have been ok with those (and absolutely love the 
bike!) but I will be using Paul's and Kool Stop's on my AHH.  I don't 
expect any problems but I don't have any data to back that up.  My take is 
that the longer the reach, the better the quality of the brake should be, 
that translating to build quality, strength of the materials and design, 
etc.  

Bob

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[RBW] Re: 2018 AHH Seatpost tube size question

[Bob Lovejoy]

I think I remember Grant saying he thought the newly designed seat cluster 
was really strong and able to take a lot, and a repeated "a lot" at that. 
 It seems like it should be fine but, yeah, a call to them Monday would be 
a good thing.

Congrats on the new frame!  It will be interesting to hear what people 
think once they start building and riding.  It will take me a little while 
to build mine up, and the weather here in northwestern Illinois has 
definitely turned toward winter, but I hope to at least get in a test ride 
sometime soon.

Bob

 

On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 8:42:38 PM UTC-6, Sean B. wrote:
>
> Yeah, definitely sounds like I got the wrong one. I'll have to contact 
> them. Now I'm just hoping I didn't damage the frame. 
>
> I think I'll be good with 250. But thanks for the insight and info!
>

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[RBW] Re: 2018 AHH Seatpost tube size question

[Bob Lovejoy]

The one they sent with the frame is indeed a 27.2 x 250.  

I already had a Nitto S83 waiting (27.2 x 300) so I did not even try the 
one they sent.  As far as the length goes, I could be fine with a 250 
(versus the 300) as I am at the very lowest end of the PBH range for the 
61.5 (89cm pbh) and I only have ~14cm of seat post showing.  But I wanted 
the dual-bolt design and would rather have a little too much seat post 
length versus pushing the limits.

I will say my 61.5 cm is building up to be a somewhat larger/taller bike 
than I had visualized.  It is probably going to work ok, but with 700x38 
tires, it is a tall bike, even with a sloping top tube.

Bob


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>
> Is it 27.2 x 250? 

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[RBW] Re: 2018 AHH Seatpost tube size question

[Bob Lovejoy]

I just got my frame, a 61.5/700c and it uses a 27.2 seat post.  Based on 
what you are saying, I would think a call would be in order to Rivendell as 
I think there was a mix-up.  If you have access to a 27.2 post, in your 
parts stash or from another bike, it would be a useful test to try that!

I think the spec called for a 27.2 and I never saw any mention of that 
changing between frame sizes.

Bob 
  

On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 7:30:05 PM UTC-6, Sean B. wrote:
>
> What size seatpost does the frame use? Does frame size change the 
> diameter? The frame came to me with a 26.8 x 250. I think it's too small as 
> I have the clamp bolt tightened all the way down. Afraid to give it too 
> much more force.

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[RBW] Re: Homer and Sam $100 price difference

[Bob Lovejoy]

I'll add that time and an associated increased cost could be major factors. 
 From the perspective of "older" to "newer", there is the Appaloosa ($1300) 
to the Hillborne ($1400) to the latest Hilsen ($1500).  I know the Cheviot 
could be considered an outlier in that logic, and in several ways, but it 
does seem to me that the prices are increasing, at least to some degree, 
just based on time and costs.  

That said, I would love to know about tubing changes or specs that add to 
the cost, not that there is anything wrong that I know of with the older 
tubing.  I have a new Hilsen frame coming this next week so it will be 
interesting to see (and ride once I get it built and the weather 
cooperates) how it feels compared to other bikes.

Bob   

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks John,

It is both a little frustrating and even kind of funny how hard it can be 
to figure out all of the variations, in the models and sub-models, in the 
"market speak" labels, etc.  I do truly like Schwalble tires and, 
considering how long I have used them, it seems I should know more!  But 
every time I look at their site, it is like it's the first time except for 
maybe the basic models that have lasted.  I do love the options and the 
improvements!  Still, a flowchart or history or better summaries would be 
helpful.

Let us know if the new tires arrive and perform as expected!  I use 
Supreme's on one city/errand/touring bike but am considering Almotion's for 
a more dedicated tourer.  I will say I went with 700x50(?) Mondials one 
time (still have them) and they seemed really heavy for anything other than 
true outback touring.  I can see where Schwalbe might be trying to provide 
lighter weight options within the model lines.

Thanks for the help and the info,

Bob


On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 1:44:27 PM UTC-6, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
> I meant the V-Guard tires vs the MicroSkin TL-Easy tires. 
>
> Maybe I was wrong, maybe the V-Guard tires are tubeless compatible. 
> You're right, the general description of the Almotion says:
>
> "Now all sizes of Marathon Almotion are equipped for tubeless operation. 
> The patented Microskin construction tires are also significantly lighter. 
> the tire is for tubeless compatible." 
>
> But the V-Guard tires are a new listing on this page, and since the 
> V-Guard 50-622 tires are listed as 135 grams lighter, and not listed as 
> TL-Easy, I assumed they were the updated version of the Almotion clincher 
> Schwalbe used to list as simply "Dynamic Casing" and that Schwalbe was in 
> the process of updating this web page.
>
> On the Marathon Supreme web page, the text says, "Maximum comfort and 
> speed are achieved in its Tubeless Easy version..." And the non-TL Easy" 
> Supremes have V-Guard.
>
> On this page TL-Easy compared to V-Guard and other flat protection:
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/BENCHMARK-OF-PUNCTURE-PROTECTION
>
> I guess I will have to just see what's what when the tires get here.
>
> John
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi John,

Do you have or can you point me to more information on the non-tubeless 
Almotions you ordered?  I am looking at the Schwalbe site now but it seems 
to imply all of the Almotions are tubeless compatible.  I have no need for 
tubeless, at least on my current wheels, and the tubeless tires seem to be 
a bit harder to mount.  I don't mind that at home but on the road could be 
different.

Thanks for any help,

Bob 


On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 11:33:10 AM UTC-6, John Phillips wrote:
>
>...
> I ordered a set of the Marathon Supremes and a set of the new 
> clincher, non-tubeless Marathon Almotions from Germany for about $43 a tire 
> with shipping. 
>
... 

>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Jersey

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am not sure of the history but there were these...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Bicycle-Works-Jersey-2005-Small-Wool-very-rare/232959864082?hash=item363d7d6d12:g:6-8AAOSwdU9bvWIV:rk:2:pf:0

Bob


On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 12:11:01 PM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>
> Interesting reactions to this.
>
> It is not a "counterfeit" Rivendell jersey, it is a "fake" Rivendell 
> jersey, given that there are no Rivendell jerseys to copy that I know of. 
> ...
>
> Laing
> Cocoa, FL
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Whatbars.com

[Bob Lovejoy]

There was a good discussion of the tool and its development on the 
internet-bob list.  The admin there created a pinned posting so that this 
kind of effort could be noted, saved and referenced.

This should take you to that pinned summary:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/internet-bob/W0zK2k8PnTM/VjY_JxdQAwAJ

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Clem L 59 -- Considering a purchase

[Bob Lovejoy]

I don't know the odds, but if you tell people your city/town/basic region, 
it could be there might be one near you, either owned or for sale, that you 
could test ride.  It is just an idea but there are Clementine/L's out there 
and there is nothing like actually riding a bike before purchase.  That 
said, the Clem L's would have to be one of the most adaptable bikes out 
there.

An example of a shop that shows to have one (in silver/grilver)... A1 
Cyclery in Indianapolis:
https://a1cyclery.com/product/rivendell-clem-smith-jr-l/

Good luck in the search and good work on identifying the Clem L as a great 
bike!

Bob  


On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 1:49:36 PM UTC-5, RDS wrote:
>
> I am thinking of getting a Clem L frame or complete bike.  
>
> The latest catalog has a min PBH of 83 for the size 59.  I am 83+/-.  
> Anyone near PBH own one and have any comments?  I am overweight, so most 
> riding will be paved paths.
>
> Looks like Gray or Green for a color choice.  Your vote?
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: The right rear rack

[Bob Lovejoy]

It could be that the Erlen rack they have at A1 Cyclery is not the size you 
need but I wanted to put it out there.  It looks like Chris also has a 
couple of the larger Bagman racks.

https://a1cyclery.com/products/parts/parts-racks/

Bob



On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 9:29:52 AM UTC-5, Eric Myers wrote:
>
> Thanks for the tip about the Erlen.  It looks like that would fit this 
> bag, where the Carradice Bagman rack wouldn't.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Building out New Old Stock 2009 Sam Hillborne

[Bob Lovejoy]

Eric,

That sounds perfect!  Looking forward to pictures of the build and, yes, 
ride reports!  Building up a bike, then riding, tweaking, adding and 
subtracting, making it your own, can be such a great thing.  Congrats again 
on the new Rivendell!

Bob

On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 10:11:24 AM UTC-5, Eric Myers wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> For today's Sam I would definitely want the 58cm.  I took my sizing for 
> this bike from the Rivendell Reader #41, which introduced the Sam, with the 
> 60cm being for PBH 87-94.  Mine is that original green color, but with a 
> pewter colored head badge rather than gold, so I think it's from the early 
> years but I don't know exactly which.  Serial number starts with M9 in case 
> that means anything.  I'm putting Albatross bars on it, so I've got that 
> angle covered :-)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Building out New Old Stock 2009 Sam Hillborne

[Bob Lovejoy]

I can't speak to the saddle bag issue but be aware the design of the Sam 
seems to have changed over the years.  I think the earlier versions 
possibly had a bias for swept back handlebars as well as maybe some other 
changes (versus the current Sam).  I could be wrong on that though.

Comparing the geometry charts is always interesting to me, just to see how 
bikes evolve:

Older versions:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gfiN1kOxVrthdc6eScUF9fP5n-BvRBILbBMYiEg5LM4/edit#gid=0

Current versions:
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry

I think your 89.5pbh would put you on a current 58cm Sam but I do not know 
the recommendations from the previous years.

Just for reference and planning...

Bob


On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 9:17:03 AM UTC-5, Eric Myers wrote:
>
> Thanks for the extra feedback :-)
>
> I'm still waiting on some parts I've bought, but man, this bike is huge!  
> It feels similar in size to the 25" mid-80's Cannondale touring bike I used 
> to have, which I loved but always felt a little big.  (My PBH is 89.5, so 
> this is sized right according to Rivendell.)
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: silver shifter adapter for Paul thumbies

[Bob Lovejoy]

Jason,

The first/top ones I believe.  I do have some but they are needed for a 
build.  That said, if I find extras in the parts stash, I will let you 
know.  I did call Paul's at one point to see if they had them directly but 
they sent me back to Rivendell in my search.  Hopefully they will make 
another batch and be offered again.

Bob

On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 10:23:06 AM UTC-5, jandrews wrote:
>
> Thanks you Brian
> is the adapter something that looks like this:
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2018-09-03 at 7.10.39 AM.png]
>
> *or this:*
>
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2018-09-03 at 7.08.04 AM.png]
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 9:44:26 AM UTC-4, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jason, 
>>
>> The silver adapter is a small baseplate that slips between the flat, 
>> squared base of the shimano thumbies and the silver shifter... It looks 
>> like downtube shifter mounts with the protruding cylinder with flats.  I’d 
>> consider selling mine except my wife who had been using my Silver shifters 
>> as downtubers just recently mentioned wanting a change... likely to bar 
>> mounted index shifting... so I’ll want to hang on to them for a future 
>> thumbie build or possibly sell the whole set of shifter/adapter/thumbies 
>> together. 
>>
>> Weird that Riv no longer has them.  There’s still a link on the Riv Paul 
>> thumbies page but goes nowhere.  Maybe they sold through stock and won’t 
>> replenish with silver 2.0 in the works? 
>>
>> Brian Cole 
>> Lawrenceville NJ
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New additions to my site

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Chris,

I am not really in the market for anything at the moment but I did want to 
let you know I think the site looks fantastic!  The work and the quality of 
that work you are doing really shows so thanks.  I am a little more mobile 
now (have been car-free, now with car, the ultimate bike accessory(!), for 
travel and adventures) so one day I will walk through your shop door.  It 
would be great to see Indianapolis and exploring is good...  Listening to 
your podcast even as I type.

Thanks for the great work and shop!  Keep the faith...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: Wheelset for '84 Trek 720

[Bob Lovejoy]

I would verify that the existing wheels are 700c.  The early 80's Trek 
720's were, I believe, spec'ed with 27" wheels.  If it uses caliper brakes 
(which I have seen on some 728's), then it could be no problem.  If his 720 
has cantilevers, a conversion from 27" to 700c is possible but can make 
brake choice an issue.

Might be worth verifying what is on there now.  I do have some very nice, 
well built 36h, 126mm 700c wheels if you want more specifics.

Thanks,

Bob


On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 7:23:41 AM UTC-5, jandrews wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> This question is for the *alta cockers*
>
> Asking for a good friend who has an early '80's Trek 720 touring bike.
>
> We have a mini tour planned later in the month.  Riv content is, I'll be 
> on my S.H. or Protovelo.
>
> He needs a new wheelset.  The specs are 126mm rear triangle. 700c.
> ...
>

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[RBW] Re: MIT AHH - When Available?

[Bob Lovejoy]

First, I will say I deeply appreciate and respect the ability to pick up a 
phone, call Rivendell with just about any question, know I will end up 
talking to someone that wants to be helpful and will be glad, at least 
truly ok, that I called.  I have never had a bad experience calling and 
even got to talk for awhile with Grant when he answered the phone once... 
highlight of my day!  Heck, here I am still talking about it!

That said... If the phone is the only or best way to get good information, 
then I worry.  Actually, I don't worry, as I have decided I can only worry 
about so much, and I trust the people at Riv to run their business, design 
and build their bikes, do what is needed.  If it is real enough to be real, 
known enough to be known, I assume it will be communicated... and I will 
read every word, look at every picture.  But, if not communicated out 
publicly, I assume things are still being decided, schedules are not known, 
details are still to be worked out, problems still to be resolved... and so 
I do not barge in, I try not to waste anyone's time.

I do sincerely believe that Rivendell would be well served by having an 
official communications person, a true point of contact, the reader and 
responder of the e-mails, the asker of questions to others when needed, 
someone who could know as much as there is to know about all things 
Rivendell... and they would communicate and post fairly regularly, and I 
would know my questions would not be keeping them from other work, because 
that would be their main mission, even their passion, to let people know, 
participate, plan, and get excited... and to help Rivendell not only 
survive but to thrive.  

Ok, enough words as it is time to find the COG group (Cyclists of 
Galesburg!) and ride on this amazingly beautiful morning!   Hope the day 
for everyone is a good one.

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: FS: SOMA ES

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am not the OP but I believe it is a 61cm frame...

https://denver.craigslist.org/bik/d/soma-es-61-cm/6608678142.html

Bob

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[RBW] Re: PSA Ram on Ebay

[Bob Lovejoy]

Wow...! :>(

Thanks Ana!  Nothing like an in-person report and pictures.  I am sure you 
have saved some from some unexpected heartache.  If someone bids on it now, 
at least they will know a lot more.

And agreed on what probably happened with the previous bidder/winner.

Thanks again for the report and pictures.

Bob


On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 8:15:40 AM UTC-5, Ana Candela wrote:
>
> Here’s a link to the photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/QRyiMsDqdJX2Tzby8 
>
> -Ana

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[RBW] Re: PSA Ram on Ebay

[Bob Lovejoy]

Sorry, thought that link would work and it does not... from a new session 
it shows no longer available.  Anyway, it shows in Ebay history (advanced 
search) if anyone needs to see it.  In theory it sold for $560 to a bidder 
with a 100% positive rating and 709 feedback responses.

Bob

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[RBW] Re: PSA Ram on Ebay

[Bob Lovejoy]

Not that is important but this frame was listed by the seller previously 
and, in theory, sold (May 26).  I am thinking the buyer did not follow 
through with either payment or was not able to figure out the local pickup, 
probably the latter.  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rambouillet-By-Rivendell-Bicycle-Works-Bike-Frame-RB0952-C-T-27-Local-P-U-Only/401540053071?hash=item5d7da6f84f:g:EbwAAOSwm8NbAFnD

The large frame size definitely only applies to a few, but it could be a 
great deal for someone who fits the bike.  That said, I am thinking the 
local pickup condition is most likely real.  Anyway, something happened 
with the original deal...

Bob
Galesburg, IL  


On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 1:57:36 PM UTC-5, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> If someone is in Seattle this could be a nice find. Remember a blue Ram 
> just went for over $2000.  Looks like a 62?  Rambouillet By Rivendell 
> Bicycle Works Bike Frame RB0952 C-T 27" Local P/U Only 
> https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401552870412
>  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62 Rambouillet 745$ complete bike ebay

[Bob Lovejoy]

It seems there were two people, relatively new to Ebay though that is an 
assumption, battling it out... I am fairly sure the seller was grateful for 
the interest from both of those people!

Bob


On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 11:00:47 AM UTC-5, Luke wrote:
>
> Just went for $2,175 - (longtime lurker - first time poster - '04 Ram 
> Owner)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Bob Lovejoy]

Not that I need to find out... but these should fit an un-fendered 
Appaloosa, correct?   Someone please try these and post pictures!

Bob
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hilsen Appraisal Help?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hm This is on Ebay now, correct?  And this is your first and 
only post to the group?

I would say keep the bike listed for whatever you want/need to sell it for 
but add the "make offer" option.  You can always say no... Searching for 
completed listings on Ebay through the advanced search is also another way 
to determine what people have previously paid there (or not).  There is 
another AHH that sold on Ebay for $2500 but it would be up to you to 
determine if there were any pros or cons in comparison to your bike.  

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL 


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[RBW] Re: FS: Complete 63cm Rivendell Romulus - $1400

[Bob Lovejoy]

Try this... 4th page I think.

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/index.html

I miss my Romulus!  One of the few bikes I truly regret selling...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 1:16:28 PM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I'm having trouble finding any Geo charts for the Romulus.  Anyone know 
> where I can find one?

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[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am pretty sure this is exactly what Garth posted, but I did stumble upon 
this page today...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gfiN1kOxVrthdc6eScUF9fP5n-BvRBILbBMYiEg5LM4/edit#gid=0

The older 56cm Sam with the 59cm tt always jumped out at me.  There may be 
other models that have changed over the years as well.

But, for posterity and reference, I wanted to get it into the thread. 
 Apologies if it has already been mentioned or posted.

Bob

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[RBW] Re: FS: A. Homer Hilsen Frame 56/650b

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am not the OP and cannot speak to a Homer from 8 years ago, but the 
May/2017 geometry chart includes a 56cm/650B Hilsen... Maybe those figures 
will help.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170602082329/https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry

Bob
Galesburg, IL


On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 4:03:53 PM UTC-5, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Do you have the Stack & Reach dimensions?  New charts omitted them
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Tom, 

Thanks for doing those measurements on your Sam!  I have been paying 
particular attention to stack height on potential frames and knowing the 
real, even if approximate, figure on a 58cm Sam really helps.  I need to 
measure my 58cm Joe to see how it figures in.  The 2017 chart shows stack 
height on a 58cm Sam vs Joe to be about the same but it will be interesting 
to find out if reality matches spreadsheets or comes close to what you 
measured.

I am not truly fixated on all of this, as I do just like to ride and forget 
about it.  That said, I want any build I take on, especially these days, to 
have a better than even chance of working as I need it to.  I also want to 
know, at least have some basis to think I know, how one frame might fit 
differently than another.  Without the chance to actually see and ride the 
different bikes, out here away from big bike shops, I have to rely on 
descriptions, comparisons, numbers, intuition and reports from others.   
So, yes... thanks!

Bob
Galesburg, IL


On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 2:12:57 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> ...
>
> Some have asked about the dimensions of the now discontinued side pull 
> Sam.  I have a 2017 58 side pull Sam, and here are the measurements I took 
> off my actual bike:
>
> ETT: 59 (same as 2017 geo chart)   
> F/C:625 (2017 geo chart says 618.5)
> Chain stay:   46.3 (2017 geo chart says 45.5)
> Stack:Betw 625-630(*) (2017 geo chart says 645.5)
> Reach:  Betw 380-385(*)  (2017 geo chart says 374.5)
>
> (*) Using spirit level and/or plumb bob to line up points; not exact, but 
> I do know the actual is off compared to the 2017 geo chart.
>
> Tom
>

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[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

[Bob Lovejoy]

I do think there are are typos and/or oddities in the geometry charts, 
though, who knows, maybe with certain center pull brakes 55mm is possible. 
 I think you are certainly right about the Tektro sidepulls though.  I get 
the impression that more goes into the recommended PBH/sizing chart than 
the actual geometry chart numbers.  I have not been mislead when using 
Riv's PBH recommendations but going deeper into the geometry numbers is not 
always the fun or even useful thing one imagines.

For reference, and maybe it is still there in the current mix, but here is 
the geometry chart from 2017:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170602082329/https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry

As far as really previous Sam geometries go, I cannot find the chart now 
but I believe top tubes were relatively longer in the v1's, that to better 
work with swept/upright bars.

Bob

 

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 11:21:03 PM UTC-5, Adam in Indiana wrote:
>
> Anyone else notice that the new Homer has more tire clearance than a canti 
> Sam?  Or do you think that's a typo?  I don't recall Tektro 559's clearing 
> a 55mm...
>
> Also, anyone remember what the chainstay length on the previous Sam 
> generation was?
>

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[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

[Bob Lovejoy]

Brent,

Thanks for doing that!  I think the Sam numbers in the new chart were 
changed after the initial posting, as the 58cm Sam had a listed ETT of 61.5 
(I think).  That has been changed to 60, still a bit longer than the 59cm 
listed previously but I have no reason to believe it wrong.

And, yes, you are a lucky guy!  I have two Riv's, an Appaloosa and a 
Cheviot, but still with Hillborne and/or Atlantis aspirations.

Thanks again for the report and the measuring.

Bob
 

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 6:50:40 PM UTC-5, Brent P wrote:
>
> I have a Sam, Joe and Atlantis in the stable (lucky guy!) so I pulled out 
> my spreadsheet. Here's what I found looking at my old vs listed new:
>
> 62 Appaloosa (2017) - no changes to new version
> 62 Sam (2017, non-canti) - new version has 1 cm more top tube, 3 cm more 
> on chainstay. Only changes., 
> 64 Atlantis (2017 MUSA) - this is tougher as there's not a MIT 64. So 
> comparing my 64 to available 62, the new version has 3 cm *more* top 
> tube, 72 to a 71.5 on seat and head, and 6.5 cm more length on chainstay. 
> Fork offset went from 4.5cm to 5.4cm. Standover is 1cm more on MIT 62.
>
> So as I look at it, my Appaloosa is almost identical to a new MIT 
> Atlantis. I enjoy the difference in length between my MUSA Atlantis and 
> Appaloosa, and each is comfortable for different rides and reasons. So I'm 
> glad to have the old 'short' Atlantis around yet. Variety is good!
>
> I do wish my Sam had the longer chainstays of the new, but it's minor 
> quibble. I keep Sam setup as my dropbar, road tire bike anyways.
>
> Aren't we lucky to have so many options!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

[Bob Lovejoy]

I have a 58cm Appaloosa and from my basic measurements, I am going to say 
that the new listings (on the updated frame geometry page) for it seem 
correct (61.5 tt, 64.5 front center, 53cm chain stays).

The actual page for the Appaloosa frame shows a chart with different 
numbers (59.7 tt) but I believe that is actual/physical top tube length and 
not the effective/level length, taking into account the sloping top tube.. 
 That seems to me the discrepancy, at least with the Appaloosa numbers.  I 
could be wrong but I think that there were some, way back when, that took 
those numbers from the Appaloosa page, assumed top tube length as stated 
was the effective length and made some decisions that, well, did not always 
work out.

That is about the only question I can help answer though!  But I really am 
curious about the Sam numbers.  I suspect the new ones are off, though I 
guess it could be speculated that the new AHH becomes the drop bar, road 
bike, with the Sam going back to its swept/upright bar roots.  The 
Appaloosa and the new Atlantis?  I can only see them as different 
approaches to the same goal, and may the better bike win... though no real 
winners and losers.  Both great bikes!

Bob
  

On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 11:52:35 AM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
> In my above analysis, I meant to say that the 55cm Appaloosa appears to be 
> bigger than the 56 cm MIT Atlantis, and that both of those are in turn 
> bigger than either the *58cm legacy Atlantis or the 59cm, 2016 MUSA 
> Atlantis.*
>

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[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

[Bob Lovejoy]

I do agree... It helps me as well, at least I believe it does!

Also, the Sam H. numbers looks off to me.  It shows the 58cm Sam with a 
61.5cm (effective?) top tube, the same as the Appaloosa.  That would 
definitely be a change if correct.

Also, in reference to iamkeith's post... It seems I remember two different 
sets of geometry numbers around for the Appaloosa.  I just concentrated on 
the one I thought correct but I did cringe at the potential for confusion.

Bob
Galesburg, IL


On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 5:12:54 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
> It seems reach/stack is absent . that to me is very useful for 
> comparisons sake with other models. 
> I'd very much appreciate it returning 

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[RBW] Re: FS 60cm Cheviot

[Bob Lovejoy]

Lol... No, you are right both ways!

https://stlouis.craigslist.org/bik/d/60cm-rivendell-cheviot-frame/6590861460.html

I had not followed your link to see it went to EBay, just saw the comment.  

I think a good deal for someone, especially with the parts included, 
wanting to experiment and have a great riding bike.

Bob


On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 7:32:22 AM UTC-5, Tom Wyland wrote:
>
> Yes, I meant to say Ebay not CL.  Thanks, Bob. 
>
> FWIW I still would like to know what's under that sticker above the 
> headbadge!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS 60cm Cheviot

[Bob Lovejoy]

And on Ebay... I believe the same frame but could be wrong.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Cheviot-60cm-frame/282973517785?hash=item41e28937d9:g:1EUAAOSwBNtbAMgm

Bob


On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 6:56:43 AM UTC-5, Tom Wyland wrote:
>
> Bumping this one.  I see the frame on CL 
> 
>  
> now?
>
> On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 7:11:39 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> They're really nice frames. I love my 55cm Chev, and I'm tempted to try a 
>> slammed-post 60 to confirm/deny my suspicion that my long torso/short legs 
>> fit a much bigger bike with pullback bars. Maybe!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Indeed!  And not to detour the thread, but the sizing/geometry page has 
been somewhat updated.  The new AHH and Atlantis(MIT) sizes are included...
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry

Bob
Galesburg, IL


On Tuesday, May 22, 2018 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-5, Howard Hatten wrote:
>
> Good eye Jeff
>
> Howard 
> Livonia Mi
>

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[RBW] Re: Any new Hilsen news?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Canti-Sam's maybe?  I think the new (MIT) Hilsen's are noted in the new 
catalog but I don't think any schedule or ETA has been announced... though 
life has been crazed and I could have missed it.

That said, I am pretty sure they are a future event...

Bob 

On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 4:37:55 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> New ones just arrived a few months back, no?
>
>

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[RBW] Any new Hilsen news?

[Bob Lovejoy]

It may be awhile before my catalog/brochure tracks me down... For those 
that do have one in hand, is there anything mentioned on the timing of the 
new Hilsen's or has anyone heard more?

I assume that they will need to get through the new Atlantis builds and 
delivery before anything else big happens, and there may be other projects 
as well, but I would be curious.

Thanks,

Bob
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[RBW] Re: 57 vs 61 Roadini

[Bob Lovejoy]

+1 to what Patrick says...  I know I prefer a little too large of a frame 
rather than a little too small.  That said, other (younger and racier) 
folks prefer the opposite.   Still, I would be leaning to the 61 though the 
conversation with people at Riv should be really helpful.  If they have a 
demo 61 built, it could be they would set the saddle height, maybe measure 
few other things and send you info and pics? 

There is also a picture of a 57cm Roadini somewhere here...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/YrobKUozAHk/koR_zTiRAgAJ

It is a 57cm with, I believe was reported, saddle height at 76cm 

Bob



On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 2:55:49 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Aye, 95% sure you’ll love the 61, but talk with Grant and Co., this is 
> what they do. Grant sized me non-standard (I’m a 90 pbh riding a 62 Hunq 
> and 66 QB) and I love the ride of the larger frames. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: 57 vs 61 Roadini

[Bob Lovejoy]

I do not have anything very useful to add but I am also at or around that 
89 pbh number, usually have a 78cm saddle height and have studied (studied 
being a little overstated) the Roadini numbers.  

Like you said, the reach difference, as far as I can tell, is minimal, at 
least workable.  I will say the mid-tube top tube height is ~34.12" (right 
at my theoretical limit) on the 61, which might be fine or maybe not... The 
57cm shows to be ~32.56cm mid top tube (lower than I would like).  Also, I 
believe the Roadini has a relatively high stack, and my very amateurish 
calculations came out as 630mm for the 57, 671mm for the 61.   Someone 
please correct that as needed as I would love to know the true numbers.

Anyway, I am very curious if others report or if you get more information 
from Rivendell!

For now, I have decided to not decide.  I had opted for a Sam (58cm) but 
delays and life timing happened (a house sale and move, then travel) so I 
ended up cancelling that for now.  We shall see...

Let us know of anything you find or hear!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

  

On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 9:49:45 AM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> Attention Roadini owners.can I have some feedback
>
> I am debating grabbing a Roadini frameset in the near future to fill the 
> road bike void in my life.  
>
> According to the Riv charts, I am basically at the top end of the 57 and 
> the bottom end of the 61.  I have a 89.5-90ish PBH and generally run a 
> 78-79cm saddle height.  Reach seems to be pretty negligible between the two 
> and I like the idea of running less stem height on the larger frame.  
> However, I don't necessarily want a larger frame for road riding (seems 
> counterproductive) but I have a lousy low back for the permanent future and 
> long and low aint gonna cut it no more.
>
> So those of you that have a Roadini in the larger sizes, tell me what you 
> think.  I will put in a call to the RBW at some point when I am ready to 
> get it going.  I was debating grabbing a BMC Road but I want more stack 
> than those offer.
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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

[Bob Lovejoy]

I have not seen the catalog in person but the picture of the AHH (MIT) page 
Jonathan posted (first in this thread) shows up to 64cm frames.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/Nvs_Ftb1Rps/pwCip3DxAgAJ

And notes on the recommended PBH ranges...  
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/sizing_1024x1024.jpg?v=1524781211

Bob


On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 6:55:26 PM UTC-5, Jacob P wrote:
>
> Maybe I missed this, but does anyone know the frame size range for the MIT 
> AHH? Will they be producing the 71cm there? 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Agreed... I think that is why I cling to the older style frames, though I 
am tiring of the chase there.  I just measured my favorite (road) bike, a 
650B conversion that works incredibly well, and it is 62cm ST (ctc) with a 
57cm level TT, 10cm Nitto stem...  If it ever came to that, lottery 
winnings in hand(!),  I might just send it off to a builder and ask them to 
build me the same bike, with only a few more braze-ons and a few minor 
tweaks.

That said, the Rivendell bikes have always worked really well for me, not 
that I have had that many, and never the Waterford or custom versions.  My 
Appaloosa is a a truly excellent bike, a little heavy with my touring build 
but that's mostly on me.  I had a Romulus that I still miss (a 61cm).

I totally agree on the effective TT length and reach being really 
important.  I have bikes sized between 58-63cm (ST) but they all fall 
between 58-60cm TT.  Well, the Appaloosa does not, but a 6cm stem brought 
the bars back in.  And I will say the newer, sloping top tube Riv's help 
get a level bars/saddle height balance that I prefer.

Bob




On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 3:56:13 PM UTC-5, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
> ... If I had a custom, I'd like the seat tube of the bigger one, and the 
> top tube of the smaller one.
>
>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Eamon, 

Seems like 89-90pbh is somewhat the new dividing line in the recent sizing, 
at least with the Roadini, Homer, Atlantis, the Appaloosa and Clem H.  I 
have an 89pbh as well, ride a 58cm Appaloosa, and am thinking (maybe very 
fuzzy, optimistic thinking) I would want a 61.5cm Homer as primarily a road 
bike, with a little gravel thrown in, with the caveat that I prefer a 
slightly larger frame (relative to the norm) versus slightly smaller.  I 
would also probably run 700x38's, hopefully knocking the max SO height down 
just a fraction.

Facts, pictures and others' experiences could certainly push me the other 
way.  I'll keep watching, reading, and hoping at least a few more 
measurements make it out to the masses.

A great looking bike though... I will be excited to hear more!

Bob


On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 2:35:48 PM UTC-5, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
> New Homer looks good. It looks like there is a little extra top tube 
> upslope, and a little more chainstay length without becoming one of the 
> long bikes. Not knocking the long bikes - I have no doubt they ride great 
> and I hope they sell a ton of 'em. They are just too long to work for ME 
> for practical reasons. I think the new Homer looks like a winner. Looks 
> like I'd probably be a 58 in the version (89 pbh).
>
> Eamon
> Seattle
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

[Bob Lovejoy]

I was going to put down a lot or questions, but I suppose there is no sense 
in guessing... I will wait mostly patiently for more news and/or the 
brochure/catalog and art work!

One question...Jonathan (or anyone)... Is there any more detail on sizing 
or geometry in the catalog?  I saw the page on "Frame Sizing" but would 
sure love to know more.

But wait patiently I will...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

P.S.  If anyone receives their catalog in the mail, please post to let 
people know to start looking!


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[RBW] Re: When requesting to contacted off list

[Bob Lovejoy]

If there is ever an item I am particularly interested in, I send the PM 
(through the online, desktop, "google groups" interface) but also note in 
the thread that I sent the PM and for the OP to let me know if that is not 
received.  No guarantees certainly but I don't think it is out of line from 
a thread standpoint to do that.  It also alerts others, at least 
unofficially, that you are interested and "in line", something like that 
anyway.

That said, technology can certainly fail, at least fail to work as we 
expect.  Ok, sometimes just fail...!

Sorry you missed on the tires...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: Tucson Stolen Bike Alert

[Bob Lovejoy]

Matt,

Really and truly sorry to hear of the break-in and theft.  I have been 
trying so hard to maintain some semblance of faith in people but that is 
obviously not easy.  I hope it all works out as well as possible.

In moments of weakness (for looking at bikes), I use SearchTempest to scan 
Craiglist's from across the country.  I know you will have much to do with 
everything else but it might be worth trying at times.

https://www.searchtempest.com/

You can set how much distance from where you are to search.  I run it in 
Chrome, with the "Direct Results" option checked.  I also had to tell 
Chrome to allow the site to open multiple windows but it has worked well 
for me.  I am not sure how it would work if you found your bikes on a 
different city's CL but a call to their police department would seem like 
the next step.

I would also make sure as many of your local bikes shops as possible are 
aware of the theft and have the info and hopefully pictures.  Even if 
someone buys it cheaply, not knowing the truth about it, the bike(s) could 
end up in a shop for repair or whatever.

People here will be in the lookout.  Let us know of any updates.  Again, 
sorry you are having to go through all of that.

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] People and places and thoughts...

[Bob Lovejoy]

I keep links to people and places and things, though I know they may have 
been quiet for awhile, even quite awhile.  Keeping the links seems 
important though, bread crumbs in their way, back to times, back to wild 
yet simple thoughts and times and choices and doing.

Anyway, in my morning ramblings, I found that Kent Peterson, a hero in my 
way of thinking of heroes, had updated his blog with a poem subtitled "a 
rant for Grant".  And so it is...  I know some people know of Kent and will 
appreciate not only the words but the re-finding...

http://kentsbike.blogspot.com

http://www.thebicyclestory.com/2010/11/kent-peterson-issaquahs-favorite-car-free-ultra-long-distance-racing-techie-turned-mechanic/

Anyone else have news of people not heard from for awhile but valued, 
remembered and looked for nevertheless?

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: Slightly OT: "How a bicycle is made."

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Brian,

I did re-listen to those podcasts and will warn they are a little dry 
unless the history of things, most especially bicycles, is of true 
interest.  They comprise almost entirely of an interview with Tony Hadland, 
the knower and keeper of much history.  I enjoyed them (again!) but there 
were a lot of names and developments to keep track of.  Also, be warned 
that to have the rise and fall and history of such a great marque presented 
in an hour or so of listening can be a little disconcerting.

That said, the intro to the program came straight out of the video so a 
good segue...

I remember there was at least one edition of "The Bike Show" where Jack 
biked through the old Raleigh grounds with someone who knew of all the old 
buildings and  such.  It was great fun listening 

Bob



On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 8:58:55 AM UTC-5, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
> Cool video and thanks for sharing!  I saved the link after you posted and 
> finally went back to watch it early this morning while having my morning 
> cup of coffee.  I always wondered why we called them bottom brackets and 
> now it makes much more sense to me.  Even though it makes clear the error 
> in referring to modern cartridge bearing assemblies as "bottom brackets" in 
> and of themselves I better understand the generalization that has been 
> adopted.
>
> I also found it interesting how the bars and stem were shaped and finished 
> in unison and the way the frames were dip-brazed in the furnace.  I kind of 
> wish they went into more detail showing complete fork construction, however.
>
> I'll need to listen to those Bike Show podcasts soon.  Thanks for adding 
> those, Bob.
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrenceville, NJ
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Slightly OT: "How a bicycle is made."

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks for posting this...  As a follow-up, Jack Thurston did a 2-part set 
of podcasts (The Bike Show) that discuss the history of Raleigh and the 
factory.

http://thebikeshow.net/raleigh-part-one-rise/
http://thebikeshow.net/raleigh-part-two-fall/

I have not listened to those shows in awhile, so cannot talk specifics, but 
I always remembered listening and being taken back to those days.

For what it is worth, in the video, it shows a frame coming down from the 
line with the Rudge name on the seat tube, a name I knew was associated 
with Raleigh.  There was a little more information here though:

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/British_isles/Rudge_main.htm

I think I will spend part of this somewhat wet, dreary midwest day 
listening again to those podcasts!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 12:35:31 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
> From the chainring, i think this was Raleigh's factory, btw.

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[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

[Bob Lovejoy]

Garth,

I am no expert, definitely still learning, but agree with you on stack and 
reach being very good indicators of fit.  The note that Tom posted was good 
info as well.

That said, have stack/reach measurements been posted for the MIT Atlantis? 
 I may have missed them.  They would be great to see though and could be 
compared against the other Riv models, as well as other frames.

Bob


On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 10:52:17 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
> Tom,  The standard measurement these days by more and more frame makers is 
> called the reach, along with the stack.  Riv has recently added these to 
> their geometry chart and can reveal how deceptive TT alone can be, let 
> alone any 1 certain measurement by itself. 
>
> All of the numbers are meant as a guide of course, as every body is 
> unique, some more/less flexible and feel best in this or that 
> position...not what someone else tells them is best for them. 
>
> There are many articles explaining it, here's one ... 
> https://velovoice.blogspot.com/2015/05/bike-sizing-stack-and-reach.html
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Hunqapillar complete

[Bob Lovejoy]

If I were taller, I think I would just have to find a way to buy this 
bike... I admit to being partial to that silver but, still... I think it is 
an absolutely beautiful bike, with a real world, classy, yet well thought 
out and useful build, the perfect explorer for the taller in the crowd. 
 Someone will be very lucky indeed.

I love your other choices in the Cheviot and Rambler as well.  As they 
say... you chose well!

Anyway, a bump and GLWS.

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am still looking over the geometry but the sloping top tube probably 
makes it look even more different than it really is.

That said, the sizing came out different than I expected (not a bad/good 
thing...).

For instance, I would fit a 61cm (Waterford) Atlantis, 59cm TT (eff), 700c 
wheels, standover 85.1cm
On a new MIT Atlantis, the equivalent (TT anyway) would seem to be:  56cm 
frame, 59cm TT (eff), 650B wheels, standover 83.5cm

Both bikes max at 55mm?

Anyway, interesting!  I bet it will be a great bike but I will be studying 
the geometry more just to learn...  Also, the numbers I am looking at are 
from the Riv geometry charts and not personally known or verified.

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


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>
> my memory may be off but is the sizing markedly different from the old 
> atlantis?  
>

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[RBW] Re: anybody have VO crazy bar?

[Bob Lovejoy]

I do not have direct experience but I will throw in that Alee from 
CycingAbout is using VO Crazy Bars on a Koga touring bike for a current and 
big adventure.  He mentions the bars at times but the information is more 
about the trip.  Still, maybe useful...

https://www.cyclingabout.com/video-koga-worldtraveller-touring-bike/

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 at 8:12:47 PM UTC-5, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of buying the VO crazy handlebar, but I am looking for 
> reviews.  Has anyone here tried them?  If so, would you share your opinions?
>
> Does anyone have one they want to part with?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt B
> Oswego, IL
>

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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks Tom.  Any help appreciated but certainly do not take time away from 
anything important!  It's just that I will someday have a 58cm Sam, and 
will have an Acorn tall rando bag waiting for it.   I will certainly 
measure everything numerous times, then still worry that it is right, but 
your set-up looks almost exactly the way I imagine mine will work out.  I 
do love the orange versions, and with the cream headtube and the tan 
sidewalls, it looks perfect.  I have to say I also love the lush green 
grass and leaves in the picture!  Winter and early spring are really 
hanging on here in the midwest.

Thanks for any help! 

Bob


On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 9:34:30 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> Bob, thanks.  Love the Acorn stuff!  I bought the Berthoud decaleur from 
> Bike Touring News; they were the only ones that had the parts in stock.  I 
> will have to dig up my exact order and get back to you on the size.
>
> Tom
>
> On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 7:24:48 PM UTC-4, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>>
>> ...Do you remember the size of the Berthoud decaleur you are using with 
>> the Acorn?  No worries if not but if you do know, it would help.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob Lovejoy
>> Galesburg, IL
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Bob Lovejoy]

Great looking bike!  

Because I really like the Acorn bag folks, and to keep me from buying 
another one myself, I will say Acorn shows at least one black tall rando 
bag available.  I am amazed it still shows available but there it is.

https://www.acornbags.com/collections/bags-currently-in-stock

Do you remember the size of the Berthoud decaleur you are using with the 
Acorn?  No worries if not but if you do know, it would help.

Thanks,

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL



On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 6:12:27 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> I use my 2017 58 Sam for paved greenways and roads.  It's a standard 
> 'complete' build, except I swapped out the std Noodles for 46s, added black 
> cork tape, plus a kickstand.  Later added an Acorn roll bag, and Acorn's 
> Tall Rando bag (had to wait FOREVER for them to do a black canvas run!).  
> Berthoud decaleur, and a Nitto M18 (?) front rack .  The Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires are like butter.  I don't much like the look of the Topeak Road Morph 
> mini pump, but it's one of the nicer pumps I've operated.  Bottle cage is a 
> Velo Orange Retro.
>
> I need to mount another bottle cage before the heat sets in, so will 
> probably stuff the pump somewhere else.
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-VfUZ0imYDk0/Wr1u9mVeAuI/BQo/huNBYiCkX5o1BPbnjhC4aRYmTBQ5MZBagCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_1304.JPG>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[Bob Lovejoy]

+1 - what Bill said... 

I love the idea, I love the possibilities!  But those wheels, sitting there 
in the corner or hung on hooks, they can call out to you... I heard someone 
state that almost any cool bike part can have that effect but wheels, in my 
experience, are the worst... or the best certainly to be treated with 
great respect, logic and discipline.  Kind of reminds me of that "you can 
have any two out of the three".  Indeed!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 11:57:07 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Inevitably when I run an extra set of wheels for a bike, I end up buying 
> another frame to go with the wheels.  Wheels are the gateway drug for N+1.  
> :)
>
> BL in EC
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Bob Lovejoy]

Agreed, excellent summation!

Hopefully it is ok with Eamon to use his notes when studying for the 
test... I am thinking there is going to be a test, just has to be... right?

Anyway, I do applaud Riv for sticking to its design convictions and 
direction.  I kind of wish I needed the new Atlantis!  But my Appaloosa is 
working really well for me.  That said, I do look forward to studying the 
new catalog, the next chapter in a story I truly like and follow.

Bob
  

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 2:04:38 PM UTC-5, Mike Williams wrote:
>
> I like Eamons summary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: [podcast] Higher, Faster, Rougher, Wilder

[Bob Lovejoy]

Slightly on and off topic, all at the same time... apologies if needed.

I have been using "Pocket Casts" for the last few months for my podcast app 
and have been totally impressed and satisfied.  It keeps almost perfect 
coordination between my Mac and phone (from a listening and download 
standpoint), enables continuous play, working its way through multiple 
podcasts, something really handy on long walks, etc.  It does cost a few 
dollars, but only a few, for the phone app as well as the website (which 
enables, I think, the level of coordination between devices).

That said, it ranks near the top of my list for value per dollar spent 
lately.  For those fighting with the standard podcast apps, or people who 
listen on the desktops, then head out to listen on the move, it really 
works well.  One caveat, obviously to store more than a few podcasts on a 
phone takes storage, so that should be watched.  That said, Pocket Casts is 
no worse (and probably no better) than other apps I have used.

Not affiliated in any way other than I am glad I found it!

Bob

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[RBW] Re: [podcast] Higher, Faster, Rougher, Wilder

[Bob Lovejoy]

Glad to see The Bike Show back!  Almost always worth the time and 
listening... I have it in my podcast feed but thanks for heads-up on this 
one.  It will make great listening on this rainy, coolish midwest day.

Bob


On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 11:42:54 PM UTC-5, Ash wrote:
>
> Happen to listen to this because of a long drive recently.
>
> https://overcast.fm/+HsdL-boc
>
> Nice discussion.  Not sure who those two guys are, but they are quite 
> knowledgeable.
>
> They talked about (topics I can recall):
>
> - Bike touring, Alps
> - Someone had printed only 100 copies of apparently a very useful  bike 
> touring book decades ago, there's a kickstarter to make a new version of it
> - 'Everesting'
> - 650B, wide tires, ride comfort
> - Biking as a non-sport/racing hobby, etc
>
> enjoy!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Acorn 'Large' Saddlebag - $75 Shipped CONUS

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Jeff,

PM sent on the saddlebag.  Let me know if it does not come through!

Thanks,

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 12:49:11 AM UTC-5, Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>
> Dear Bunch,
>
> I have for sale one remaining Acorn Large Saddlebag in black.  This thing 
> is capable of holding a LOT of stuff.  Lightly used.  Asking $75 shipped 
> CONUS.  If my offer seems high, PM with offer.  PayPal preferred.  I'd like 
> to get this off to someone that will actually use it.  Thanks for looking.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Roadini; Bag... Sackville or Swift Industries

[Bob Lovejoy]

Sorry for the slightly OT question but can you say what size your Roadini 
is and the approximate saddle height (crank center -> top of saddle) as 
pictured?  Sorry if I missed this previously.

Thanks for any help.  Great looking bike!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


photo below is old, before ultegra pedals and front der., 
> the set up is IRD compact double crank, tiagra front and rear der, 48 
> Noodles, brooks B17 and bar tape, silver shifters (rear, bar-end, front, 
> downtube), old shimano brakes from old road bike, Jack Browns, and (too few 
> spokes?) Mavic Askium wheels that the guy who sold me the frame included 
> for a very generous price. 
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MkGeBd9UFq0/WrLdcmZ_ZGI/EcQ/7gkoMR86Gd0aQA4qO2oo1KNGzAN3tVKHwCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_8140-2.JPG>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a spare Rivendell mug they're willing to part with?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Tracy (maybe formerly) from Denver and BikeDenver?

The answer would be yes, I do have one, and though beautiful and great, it 
is slightly smaller than my coffee habit needs.

Used three times for coffee and tea... Would be cleaned and wrapped and 
shipped carefully.

I will say $25 shipped but I will also say I remember the good work you did 
(if you are that Tracy) for Bike Denver and the Denver bike and transit 
groups.  

Let me know!  

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL
(formerly of Denver and BikeDenver)


On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 7:55:21 PM UTC-5, thalasin wrote:
>
> My Rivendell mug unfortunately met with its demise thanks to my klutzy 
> ways.  I had one in my cart to order but foolishly waited, hoping that some 
> out of stock stuff would reappear to add to the order.  Alas, not only did 
> that not happen, but now the mugs are gone and removed from the site.  
> Given the current state of affairs, it's probably going to be awhile before 
> any promo stuff shows up (if ever).  Anyway, it was my favorite mug and I 
> miss it dearly.  We can discuss price and I will of course pay shipping.
>
> Tracy
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Bob Lovejoy]

Apologies for the reply-to-self...  Found the original post re: The Granary 
and CX-70 brakes...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/internet-bob/pDFKJ4xY73s/ysGoRtWkAQAJ

Bob

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 7:27:36 AM UTC-5, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> The site below still shows sets of CX-70 brakes available.  They are 
> discontinued as far as I know but this shop liked the brakes (for good 
> reasons) and stockpiled some.  Anyway, I assume they are still available 
> here... certainly worth a check.  The owner/seller was extremely helpful 
> when I called him.
>
> http://www.thegranarybicyclecompany.com
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>
>
> On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 5:52:08 AM UTC-5, John W wrote:
>>
>> Looks great! Curious to hear how you arrived at the brake placement? 
>>
>> And side question — did you get the brakes new, or from the parts bin? 
>> Looking for a pair myself. 
>
>

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