[RBW] Re: Imminent Mystery Bike Reveal
That's awesome! Can't wait to see it. On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:38:41 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote: Dave at Riv just called to get my shipping address for the Mystery Bike -- it's going out in the next day or two. Yippee! Pics as soon as it arrives, I promise. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/H5bj-pOmyQoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Does this Betty Foy Look Different to you?
Nice lookin' bike.The straight line definitely looks good. On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 10:10:53 AM UTC-4, Peter Pesce wrote: Hmm. I think you're right. I always disliked the bent line also. -Pete in CT On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:14:43 AM UTC-4, Rocky B wrote: Take a look at the frame lines of this Betty Foy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10344790@N06/7514719444/in/pool-rivendell Is it me or does it looks like the top tube and the mid-seat stays line up? ...because I've always wished they were built like that. Rocky -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/H4Gb11I4XkgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tubus Cosmo and ~64cm Frame size?
Not that the OP should have any problem with the tubus cosmo on his frame- but tire/wheel size is not the only thing to consider, and there is a point where many racks do not fit well on larger frames, because the seat stays are angled much more steeply and this pushes the rack mounts (braze-ons) out over the rear hub.If the rack has adjustable top stays that can retract to account for it (I think all the tubus ones do) then there's no problem, but some lower-end racks don't have that adjustability, so you end up with a rack that looks like it is tipping backwards. Anyway good luck :) Matt On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 7:30:49 PM UTC-4, Leslie wrote: I've got a pair of Cosmos on my 56 Bombadil (650b w/2.3 and SKS fenders)... works great (front was a trick to mount, but the rear was easy). Thing is, is shouldn't matter if it's a 56 or a 60 or a 64; the wheelsize is going to be the same (my fat 650b is as tall as my 60 Ram wearing 700c 32's...); yes, your seat tube will lengthen, as will the top tube, bottom tube, forks; but the braze-ons should be at the same distance above the axles, regardless of the size.. I think you'll be fine. FWIW, I like my Cosmos... On Monday, July 2, 2012 7:40:34 PM UTC-4, HKett wrote: Hi everyone, I have a 64cm Atlantis and right now I have a standard blackburn rack on it that is too small to get level and as thus presses against my fenders and causes rubbing. So I've decided to get a new rack, and the Tubus Cosmo looks perfect for what I want. I've placed a backorder at the local bike shop, but they won't get stock for a few weeks, so before I wait a while, get it, and realize it doesn't fit, does anyone have experience with the Cosmo and a ~64cm frame, Atlantis or similar? Thanks in advance! -Holger -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/hhW8mQ7oKwEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betties and Sams and paint choices
That's funny about the o.g. green and gold Hillborne- my gf loved that color at first sight, and she barely looked at the orange one they had right beside it at Harris... she ended up getting the green one. I have to admit I am partial to the original yellowish green with gold decals too, though the orange was cool. It doesn't look 'pimped out' or gaudy to me at all but rather more subdued than the metallic orange. Matt On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 12:27:30 PM UTC-4, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: I was in a similar position as you, Earl. The wife was skeptical of a Riv because of cost (her $400 Kona - actually $600 after adding fenders, racks, and new seat - was her most expensive bike to date), and she wasn't a huge fan of the color. We have family in CA so were able to go by Riv HQ on a trip to visit the fam. She got over the cost hump by riding one and seeing the craftsmanship/details of the Betty firsthand (she instantly fell in love with it). Once she loved the ride and general aesthetic of Betty, the obvious choice was to get a custom color. Vince was a trooper to bring out frame after frame from the attic until she found the color she wanted. The color she ended up picking was the original Sam Hillborne green w/ cream details.https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jLOL1qDlVSId6zim3LQ-wNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlinkI know what you mean about the SH green w/gold decals but it's a completely different look with cream HT, accents, decals. I know this doesn't really address your Q about why the color doesn't change from batch to batch. I'm not privy to that info. I also see that your signature indicates that you're overseas, so a trip to Riv HQ may not be as easy. FWIW... We've had Big Betty a little over a year and the wife still adores it and loves to ride it. good luck. --Andy On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:09:19 AM UTC-7, Earl Grey wrote: Can anyone explain to me (I know, I should write Grant) why the Sam has gone through 4 gorgeous paint choices (the only one I didn't like was the original green, but only because of the gold decals; too much like a pimped Lexus), and Betty is still on her first (not terrible) paint job. True, there is Ives Gomez, but he sports the same IMHO tasteless gold decals. This seems even stranger because of the perceived notion that color has a much larger influence in women's bike buying decisions. Lest I be accused of prejudice, my own wife and several female friends have confirmed this (I know, small sample size). Why do I care? I have been wanting to buy my wife a Betty Foy for a while, and she actually wants one, but she pretty much hates the color, nor does she like black and gold. Upon asking her what color she DOES like, she can't actually give an answer beyond I'd have to look at a bunch of bikes. Oh well, at least she knows what she dislikes, and I am not among them. Nonetheless, I have a feeling that she is not alone, and that switching Betty's color every couple of re-orders would increase sales, as it would increase the color choices over time, and might also lead to the-red-ones-are-going-away-get-yours-now-type sales. If the Betty came in a color my wife liked, and that color was going away, I would have bought one already. Cheers, Gernot Thailand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/2oWPhS9msu0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
+1 for no problems with horiz. dropouts and QRs. I certainly haven't had any issues with slippage on my quickbeam with the stock Suzue QR hub, and I've really stomped on the pedals sometimes. BUT, I do like vertical dropouts nonetheless, since they are just that much easier when you're fixing a flat or what not since the wheel is aligned as soon as you drop it in.If you want to make a SS/fixie, you have eccentric hubs. On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 1:42:31 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: 20 years of riding at least 10 different bikes with horizontal drops, never an issue with slipping and again 30 seconds to set up oh and I am 240 and rode fixes with horizontal drops, again no slipping. Options are nice, especially if they want to get a broad audience. On Jul 4, 2012 1:34 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that verticals are better for derailleurs, but what about buyers who may want to use a ss hub or hub gear? Are they to be deprived of the cheapest Rivendell? Note that this comes from someone who overrode Grant's suggestion of horizontals for two customs and ended up fixi-fying them: one with an ENO and one with replacement 1010s. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Heartily agreed, steve. -sv On Jul 4, 2012 1:11 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive train. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/gh3WEfWNWRoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha. you have eccentric hubs Let us eat cake! LOL! It's a bike Rivendell might offer, that might have vertical dropouts, or might have horizontal ones. Both afford the user options, both have drawbacks. Nobody is shunning/oppressing anybody, I don't think! This is a bicycle forum, so expect some zealotry but don't let it make you feel bad.:) On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 2:35:58 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha. you have eccentric hubs Let us eat cake! On Jul 4, 2012 2:06 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I've had slipping rear wheel problems, it's annoying, and I've even heard of some reputable people struggle with it. We're capable of functioning with horizontals, but as Steve said, they can be a pain. - Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: 20 years of riding at least 10 different bikes with horizontal drops, never an issue with slipping and again 30 seconds to set up oh and I am 240 and rode fixes with horizontal drops, again no slipping. Options are nice, especially if they want to get a broad audience. On Jul 4, 2012 1:34 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that verticals are better for derailleurs, but what about buyers who may want to use a ss hub or hub gear? Are they to be deprived of the cheapest Rivendell? Note that this comes from someone who overrode Grant's suggestion of horizontals for two customs and ended up fixi-fying them: one with an ENO and one with replacement 1010s. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Heartily agreed, steve. -sv On Jul 4, 2012 1:11 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive train. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this
[RBW] Re: Tubus Cosmo and ~64cm Frame size?
I don't have a tubus cosmo, but I do have a Tubus cargo and it works fine on a 65cm frame. I hope yours works well on your setup. On Monday, July 2, 2012 7:40:34 PM UTC-4, HKett wrote: Hi everyone, I have a 64cm Atlantis and right now I have a standard blackburn rack on it that is too small to get level and as thus presses against my fenders and causes rubbing. So I've decided to get a new rack, and the Tubus Cosmo looks perfect for what I want. I've placed a backorder at the local bike shop, but they won't get stock for a few weeks, so before I wait a while, get it, and realize it doesn't fit, does anyone have experience with the Cosmo and a ~64cm frame, Atlantis or similar? Thanks in advance! -Holger -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/exMW2qG2Cs0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: rene herse crank
For those who are using Sugino cranks: I've been using the Surly steel 110bcd chainrings on my Sugino XD and AT cranksets for a while now, because of the softness issue with the Sugino rings- they just wear out way too fast. Definitely no issues with the steel rings. they are great. I like the gearing flexibility that new RH cranks offer, and agree with previous posters, that the price is still a small part of the cost of a good bike. -Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/K2gm6QWi4JMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Schwalbe and flats: Is it just me?
I have experienced this same phenomenon with a set of nokian hakkapalitta(sp?) studded tires recently.Those things NEVER flat. After the second slow flat in a row, I figured it must be something wedged in the casing. It was NOT easy to find, but it was a small sliver of rusted metal about 3mm long- tiny! I still don't know what the heck it came from, or how it got wedged so deep into the tire. I guess it could have been from a chunk of rusted snowplow blade or something. Matt On Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:04:50 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote: If you haven't found the culprit, it could still be in there. I like the idea of marking the tire, but I've never done that. I reuse my patched tubes, which might give a little extra protection if there is a 'gremlin' in the tire casing. Great word for a hidden flattener. :^) Patrick is right - if the flat is on the rim side, it's a spoke hole (or burr?), not a tire problem. In the case of a tire-side puncture, SOMETHING caused it, right? I run my finger carefully inside the tire, trying to avoid puncturing my flesh on the thorn or wire, or getting a paper cut from the edge of the bead. I line up the patched tube to the tire, and search in both matching locations, in case I flipped the tube around during the patch process. i.e.: if the valve stem is 12:00, and the puncture is at 3:00, but I can't find any cause there, I check at 9:00 as well. I bend the tread in hard at that point with my left thumb, and press against it with my right middle finger, trying to force the sticker all the way through the tread. I usually find it. I did just realize that the heavier tires have a thicker tread where thorns and wire bits can hide. That could be the whole of your problem. Thinner threaded tires are easier to find the culprit, so it doesn't stay a gremlin, causing more mischief. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/lRciuozIUesJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Group response - Stolen Rivendell Posted on Ebay
Well I hope the frame ends up back in Taylor's (the rightful owner's) possession-definitely positive karma balance in that. On Monday, May 14, 2012 10:30:54 AM UTC-4, Pammie wrote: What a great group - Good luck getting the bike back!! I wouldn't want to own a bike with that history, for one. Bad karma. My other thought is that if the seller is an actual business - you could bring a suit for conversion or other torts. . . BTW, I'm still looking for Manny's bike to show up here in Ventura and/ or Los Angeles. . . .I know he's North but you never know . . . All my family's early bikes (1978 Raleigh, 1980 Mongoose, 1987 Raleigh, and 1988 Ross) were lost due to theft. . .so I'm sensitive to this topic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/DBycNwd6mEgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grant JUST RIDE at Harris Cyclery June 1
Sweet, I'll be there. Thanks a lot Elton! On Tuesday, May 15, 2012 5:20:52 PM UTC-4, Elton Pope-Lance wrote: We're not wanting to miss the party, so we've got Grant Petersen on the docket for a book signing here at Harris in Friday, June 1, from 5-6pm. We'll follow the store event with a social pace ride for any and all who wish to join. Any bikes are welcome, with extra credit given for steel (and double extra credit for lugs). Plenty of books will be on hand for sale. Elton Pope-Lance Natick, MA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ZrttHhZ9h0kJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grant JUST RIDE at Harris Cyclery June 1
P.S. we should go ride the Weston trails maybe. :D On Tuesday, May 15, 2012 5:52:14 PM UTC-4, newenglandbike wrote: Sweet, I'll be there. Thanks a lot Elton! On Tuesday, May 15, 2012 5:20:52 PM UTC-4, Elton Pope-Lance wrote: We're not wanting to miss the party, so we've got Grant Petersen on the docket for a book signing here at Harris in Friday, June 1, from 5-6pm. We'll follow the store event with a social pace ride for any and all who wish to join. Any bikes are welcome, with extra credit given for steel (and double extra credit for lugs). Plenty of books will be on hand for sale. Elton Pope-Lance Natick, MA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/pJxpwtv5zncJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Stolen Rivendell on ebay
Read the comments for this bike on flickr, it was stolen last year: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudetay/5389948467/ Yet here it is for sale on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Bike-Frame-/261024248321?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3cc641f201 bastards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/rFbwCLrW5oIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stolen Rivendell on ebay
I sent him a message through flickr- hopefully he'll get it. The ebay listing says it's in Ohio, but I don't know if the original owner is in ohio or not- any Ohioans here?It would be great if someone could pounce on this douchebag. On Monday, May 14, 2012 6:46:40 AM UTC-4, MichaelH wrote: Does anyone have contact info for Taylor Cruse, the rightful owner of this? On Monday, May 14, 2012 4:18:35 AM UTC-4, newenglandbike wrote: Read the comments for this bike on flickr, it was stolen last year: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudetay/5389948467/ Yet here it is for sale on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Bike-Frame-/261024248321?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3cc641f201 bastards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/v5HYhpsnOvcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stolen Rivendell on ebay
Looks like the seller already parted out the SRAM levers that were on it: http://www.ebay.com/itm/261010421506 On Monday, May 14, 2012 7:15:14 AM UTC-4, newenglandbike wrote: I sent him a message through flickr- hopefully he'll get it. The ebay listing says it's in Ohio, but I don't know if the original owner is in ohio or not- any Ohioans here?It would be great if someone could pounce on this douchebag. On Monday, May 14, 2012 6:46:40 AM UTC-4, MichaelH wrote: Does anyone have contact info for Taylor Cruse, the rightful owner of this? On Monday, May 14, 2012 4:18:35 AM UTC-4, newenglandbike wrote: Read the comments for this bike on flickr, it was stolen last year: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudetay/5389948467/ Yet here it is for sale on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Bike-Frame-/261024248321?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3cc641f201 bastards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cMwwWbWcIW8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stolen Rivendell on ebay
Taylor-good luck getting it back man. On Monday, May 14, 2012 8:04:00 AM UTC-4, Taylor wrote: Yep, this was mine, I'm in Columbus, Ohio, so I'm pretty close. I very much appreciate the people that notified me about this. Going to try and get it back through official channels before doing anything crazy. Taylor On Monday, May 14, 2012 4:18:35 AM UTC-4, newenglandbike wrote: Read the comments for this bike on flickr, it was stolen last year: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudetay/5389948467/ Yet here it is for sale on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Bike-Frame-/261024248321?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3cc641f201 bastards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vMhfwSHv_30J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stolen Rivendell on ebay
On Monday, May 14, 2012 8:04:00 AM UTC-4, Taylor wrote: Yep, this *IS* mine, I'm in Columbus, Ohio, so I'm pretty close. FYP :) On Monday, May 14, 2012 8:25:06 AM UTC-4, newenglandbike wrote: Taylor-good luck getting it back man. On Monday, May 14, 2012 8:04:00 AM UTC-4, Taylor wrote: Yep, this was mine, I'm in Columbus, Ohio, so I'm pretty close. I very much appreciate the people that notified me about this. Going to try and get it back through official channels before doing anything crazy. Taylor On Monday, May 14, 2012 4:18:35 AM UTC-4, newenglandbike wrote: Read the comments for this bike on flickr, it was stolen last year: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudetay/5389948467/ Yet here it is for sale on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Bike-Frame-/261024248321?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3cc641f201 bastards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/XQnSUH7w208J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice
Brian, I would slice off a 1x1 square of 400 grit sandpaper, wrap it around the canti post and work it around like rolling a cigarette. It won't take much to make the brake fit. Jim, The CR720 such an excellent brake- the opposite of fiddly and minimally effective. How are you setting them up? Deore V-brakes may be good but V-brakes are a totally different animal, and not everyone likes the feel. -Matt On Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:20:01 AM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: The Deore v-brakes are so much better in so many ways than ANY canti, especially the fiddly and minimally effective CR720...maybe just take it as a sign from God that you are meant to use v-brakes on this bike? On Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:13:04 AM UTC-5, stonehog wrote: I'm finding that the CR720 canti brass bushing fits too snugly on the canti posts on my new hunqa. I can hardly force the brake on the post. I tried a Deore V-brake and it goes on no problem. I'm guessing the posts have clear-coat as they look coated shiny. What is the best way to remove this? Should I just sand it or is there a good solvent that works for this sort of thing? I am not seeing this issue on my brief interweb search, so I'm guessing most folks just sand the posts, or I have a strange defective brake set? Brian Seattle, WA On Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:20:01 AM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: The Deore v-brakes are so much better in so many ways than ANY canti, especially the fiddly and minimally effective CR720...maybe just take it as a sign from God that you are meant to use v-brakes on this bike? On Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:13:04 AM UTC-5, stonehog wrote: I'm finding that the CR720 canti brass bushing fits too snugly on the canti posts on my new hunqa. I can hardly force the brake on the post. I tried a Deore V-brake and it goes on no problem. I'm guessing the posts have clear-coat as they look coated shiny. What is the best way to remove this? Should I just sand it or is there a good solvent that works for this sort of thing? I am not seeing this issue on my brief interweb search, so I'm guessing most folks just sand the posts, or I have a strange defective brake set? Brian Seattle, WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Qrqx1KIPC8kJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Help me choose my next Riv!
This may not be much help, but I think you'd be fine on a SH for touring even if it involved lots of offroad places. 700x40mm tires are fine for that in my experience, even fully loaded on single-track. The hunqapillar with 700x50s would obviously work too. You just have a tough decision my friend, and yet you can't go wrong. *My question is: how did you send just the fork to waterford if the stem is stuck? On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 10:06:49 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote: Ok, please help me out. I had to send my fork to Waterford to have the stuck stem removed and the gravity of not having a second Riv has sunk in. I'm stuck riding a way too small Cannondale or an old Specialized Rockhopper which is, although a decent bike, also too small (and not a Riv.) So, now it's time to choose. Right now I have a 63cm AHH with noodle bars and longboard fenders. At least 90% or more of my riding is on the road. I did a supported Southern Tier tour last summer and would like to do at least one, unsupported (though lightly loaded) tour this year and more in the future. I like the occasional fast club ride. In fact, I really, really like them, but I'm not as fast as I used to be (51 with 2 artificial knees.) I bought the old MTB for single track last year and found it to be a blast. So my dilemma: Which should be my next Riv? Hunqa or Rodeo? I will eventually have both but I'll order one of them probably very soon. By the time I get Homer's fork back I'll have been without it for 3 weeks and that, my friends, is unacceptable. I love the fast riding and I actually was planning on the Rodeo when I got the AHH but changed my mind after talking with Keven and Grant. Do you guys think the Rodeo is too close to the Homer and too limited? I guess if I got it I would probably go with racks and more of a touring setup for Homer. Or if I got the Hunqa, maybe I could strip down Homer and use it for the clubbish rides. But where does that leave the occasional single track foray? What say ye all? Thanks in advance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/6uV9XdtHAvAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice
The topic of v-brakes vs. cantis has been rehashed again and again- it's well-trodden territory here and elsewhere on the net and of most folks are probably not going to change their once they've settled on one or the other.But, among cantimount brakes, the CR720s are among the best I've ever tried, easy to set up and quite capable of sending you over the bars if that's what you're after.They're relatively inexpensive too. Matt On Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:40:41 AM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: The CR720 is now standard issue on Cross-Checks and LHTs, which are the two models we sell most at my shop. I've come to dislike cantilevers in general, but I don't understand the appeal of this model in particular. I doubt I'm making any setup mistakes, as I've been setting them up and riding them for years, and I dislike them equally on bikes set up by others. I find them fiddly and underpowered. Here's why, maybe. I guess one person's grabby, unmodulated brake is another's significant technological improvement in braking. When I switched over from Paul cantis to my current cheapish Tektro v-brakes on my touring bike, on the first ride, I had to make a semi-emergency stop when a car pulled out in front of me too close for comfort. I pulled the brakes with all my ingrained cantilever king-fu grip, and was startled by how fast I stopped. So I can see how a person who's accustomed to cantis and, perhaps, read enough Jan Heine and other conventional wisdom that says v-brakes aren't adequately modulated, would come to the conclusion that v-brakes aren't adequately modulated based on such an experience. But if you stick it out with v-brakes and make a few good stops, your hand recalibrates, and modulation is just fine, ultimate oh sh!+! stopping power is greatly improved, and cantis start to feel like something from the rod-brake era. Plus v-brakes are cheap and easy to set up - the number of forum posts here pertaining to v-brake setup issues here is nil, while canti setup discussions are a near weekly occurrence. IME, some men and all but the burliest women are unsatisfied with the braking power of a new, say, Surly LHT with stock cantilever brakes. Now that Tektro makes long pull aero levers, and v-brakes are excellent even/especially at the cheap level, it's a $60 upcharge to go to v-brakes on these bikes. We do the swap more often than not...which means that I have a bunch of cr720 brakes to sell at swap meets someday! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/tjVJ4a5SLl0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What is the deal with the double top tubes?
The double top-tube thing has been available on Rivendells for a long time I think, going way back to larger-sized customs, but first appearing on standard models with the AHH in larger sizes (67cm and up) if I'm not mistaken. Then around 2009 the Bombadil came standard with it, to 're-triangulate' the frame due to the expanded geometry and tall head tube. On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 10:35:33 AM UTC-4, Kayakguy wrote: I haven't been to the Rivendell site for awhile and I see all these double tubes. I looked for a post on here or on the site but found nothing. Is this standard now? I see pictures of the same model with double and single tubes. Thanks for filling me in. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1gDa4wyCv-QJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
I bet the steel QR solves the problem... aluminum QR nuts are suspect for slippage.In addition to going to steel, maybe take it in to a shop and have them align the dropouts or borrow a Park FFG-2 alignment tool- if they are skewed a bit it certainly isn't helping the situation.Anyway I hope you figure it out. Matt On Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:18:53 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, definitely Al. I put on the new end (still Al) and same problemhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/7150628661/in/photostream/. Went back and dug out the Mavic all-steel QRshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/7150710351/in/photostreamI used to have on there and have replaced them, but not put any miles on it yet. I took those off a while ago as I never liked the cam action on them compared to Shimano. They never seemed to lock down like Shimanos do, so thought I was moving in the right direction. Perhaps not. I'm not sure my troubles started with the change as it was several years ago, but I don't remember a problem w/ the old Mavics. Thanks again for the input on this! I hope to soon report back with positive news for everyone! On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 4:17 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I am pretty sure it's the aluminum contact surfaces -- modern skewers are meant, it seems, for vertical dropouts only. I remember tightening an allen slow release on one of my fixies until the (steel) skewer snapped -- couldn't get the aluminum ends to grip tightly enough. Come to think of it, I've got a 5-6 lb bag of old, old-school, all-steel skewers and if you (the original complainant) want one, just LMK. I think I've got a 130 or so and possibly even a 135 or two. None are very pretty (except the NOS Zeus front which ain't leaving). Note: will trade skewer/s for single old Campy Record dustcap or pair/sof nice, shiny metal ones. (I have one Campy already -- thanks, Eric.) On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: My wife's fuji tour bike had this problem. Went from aluminum to steel skews, knurled. This fixed the problem for us. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/wEXh0OLfkZAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Rainer Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/el40o5KOcqYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Do not attempt this at home
Wow that's serious clearance.That setup looks awesome. Regarding streetable tires fatter than hetres, I highly recommend the schwalbe 'fatty' tires that Rivendell sells.. great tires. On Sunday, May 6, 2012 7:55:06 PM UTC-4, Leslie wrote: Disclaimer: I realize, running knobby, lugged tires under fitted fenders can be hazardous, as a twig could get picked up and pulled in and jam. Do not do as I do; I was curious if it was even possible to do this, so I tried... 56cm Bomba, 650b; Pacenti NeoMoto 2.3 tires, and P65 SKS/ESGE fenders. Plenty of room, more than my Ram has w/32's under aluminum 45 fenders... http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/7150235995/in/pool-1302140@N21/lightbox/ I intend to not run fenders w/ lugged tires when I need them; but I'm looking for fatter 650b tires, fatter than Hetres, with a streetable tread, and am making sure that these are going to fit about any tire I can find... -L -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/_BQwTXgDmxQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Wide profile canti brake recs
In my experience, brake squeal can be tuned out with slight adjustments to the angle of the pads. it may take a few tries but usually works.If that doesn't work I'll switch to different pads, but usually it does. On Saturday, May 5, 2012 2:13:35 PM UTC-4, Tom Harrop wrote: So what's the thinking on the cause of brake chatter? I have CR720s with Kool Stop dual compound my 68 cm Bombadil and I get some pretty ferocious chatter, particularly when it's wet. When the front brake doesn't chatter, it squeals! Is it because of the super-long fork blades? Or have I done something wrong setting them up? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/wlZz_60LagwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Wide profile canti brake recs
I tried shimano 550s and was disappointed, I'll never go back to low-profile brakes. I really dig my Tektro CR720's.In fact, I use them on three different bikes, two of them with Nitto mini-fronts. I have never had Paul brakes, but a friend of mine has them and likes them.I don't think I'll ever get them though, since I have no reason to.The CR720s are fantastic brakes. Here's a pic of them on my quickbeam: http://www.flickr.com/photos/43029278@N07/4136473729/in/set-72157622885539082 Shimano MC70 was also a pretty decent brake. -Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/YoqkE_RjAwAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?
I would follow Rivs advice. FWIW I think top-tube crotch clearance fears are unfounded.I know many disagree.I ride bikes with ~2cm top-tube standover clearance in the woods and never have a problem even with frequent foot-downs or sudden dismounts. Most of my riding growing up was BMX, and other than that kind of riding which is totally different, I've never had both my feet blow off the pedals and my butt fall off the saddle all at the same time, nailing my crotch-but if that were to happen, I'd rather a shorter drop to the top tube than a longer one wherein gravity has more time to do its acceleration thing. Also, sounds stupid but I like resting my leg on the top-tube when stopped, and when riding bikes with compact/expanding geometry I kind of miss that. 6', ~89cm pbh, and have always ridden 62-64cm frames. Also have a 65cm touring/workhorse rig that is amazing for long distances. -Matt On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 2:28:55 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote: Hello All, When you got your Riv's, how was their sizing recommendation for you? I am planning on getting a RIV sometime, and was wondering if I should go by what they recommend (I hear usually larger), or go with my gut (smaller). What's your advice? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/MGRbF9FdXpEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question about White Ind Dos Freewheel
I shift my quickbeam quite a bit, which I guess seems to be unusual among QB/SO owners when these threads come up, but I'm not really sure why. I have a White 16/19 fw, a 22t ACS on the other side, and the stock QB crank with 40/32 rings. For riding more than 15 miles, I use 40/16, and this is mainly for going to work which is 15 or 17 miles if I go the longer way. For the riding in the city of boston, or with my significant other, I'll switch to 40/19, which takes about 5 seconds.Sometimes also use that for long rides too when I'm not in a hurry. When we go in the woods, which we do often thankfully, I flip the rear wheel and ride 40/22 to get to the trails (20 seconds), then do another 5-second change to 32/22 at the trailhead if it's a hilly, rocky, root-heavy trail, which in New England they generally are. I really enjoy the concept of the QB and feel that it works great exactly as the ad copy originally described- switching gears now and then, but benefiting from the simpleness, quietness, and one-speedness of a single speed most of the time. I have derailleured bicycles too, but riding a QB is sufficiently different and pleasant, in additional ways that I can't easily explain, to justify its design. -Matt On Monday, April 30, 2012 8:55:52 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote: For the folks that have one of these on their Quickbeam or SimpleOne - do you actually swap gears that much? Am thinking of a 17/19 for my SimpleOne. Besides worrying about clearance issues am just wondering if it would get used enough to justify the price. There are not a lot of long climbs in the Twin Cities, but in other parts of the state, a 2 mile or more climb is not unheard of. Also thinking it might be good for a bail out on a windy day. Or really steep shorter hills. As my SimpleOne has metal fenders, this seems a more appropriate choice that flip/flop freewheels. Have also considered a Dingle fixed cog setup. Not willing to try that right now. The idea of superfast spinning on downhills just doesn't appeal. Thanks in advance for any opinions. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/AI9XTdJrRUEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question about White Ind Dos Freewheel
P.S. for shifting gears when there isn't a stick laying around- which there is most of the time-I have used the following at various times: 5mm allen key from saddlebag pocket, 90% of time pocket knife, left the allen key on workbench Kryptonite lock key, didn't have my knife Pencil I find that the trick when flipping the rear wheel is to grab it by the tire with your fingertips rather than grabbing the rim, to avoid getting brake/road grime all over your hand. But yeah, your fingers get a little dirt on them when flipping the wheel.I wipe them off on the grass or my pantleg.For flipping the bike over to do this with a basket on it, that's where bungee nets come in. On Monday, April 30, 2012 8:55:52 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote: For the folks that have one of these on their Quickbeam or SimpleOne - do you actually swap gears that much? Am thinking of a 17/19 for my SimpleOne. Besides worrying about clearance issues am just wondering if it would get used enough to justify the price. There are not a lot of long climbs in the Twin Cities, but in other parts of the state, a 2 mile or more climb is not unheard of. Also thinking it might be good for a bail out on a windy day. Or really steep shorter hills. As my SimpleOne has metal fenders, this seems a more appropriate choice that flip/flop freewheels. Have also considered a Dingle fixed cog setup. Not willing to try that right now. The idea of superfast spinning on downhills just doesn't appeal. Thanks in advance for any opinions. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/s0IrRjXuxNMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
There is also a Riv blog post about the Hilsen tubeset here: http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/3218082349/the-t-question-long-post-dry-reading The Homer is made with these tubes, if made in Wisconsin: Seat tube: True Temper Verus heat-treated CrMo. HT CrMo generally ends up with a tensile strength of at least 140,000 psi, so I’m guessing it does too, but if you must know, look it up online. The bike would be no worse if the seat tube metal had an ultimate tensile strength (UTS) of 100,000 psi. That’s more than strong enough, but if a truly crummier frame somewhere had the 140,000 psi metal, we’d look bad, and would look defensive defending the 100,000 psi tube, which is nuts. True Temper makes an even stronger tube, OX Platinum, which does’t work well for seat tubes, because heating hardens it to the point where it’s too hard to ream, so the seat post might not fit well. DOWNtube and TOP TUBE: Here we do use OX Plat, with a UTS of about 200,000 psi. At this point it’s sort of like putting a razor’s edge or super steel on a butter knife and calling it better for it. But in the only slightly weird world of marketing fancy bikes, when bad builders can buy the same tubing and brag about it, it makes nonsense to use something more realistically appropriate. The head tube is OX plat, too. With our lugs, with their reinforced head tube rings that totally forever absolutely will never ovalize, there’s no advantage to it, but we got it, anyway. On Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:43:41 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote: At times RBW gives tube specs but usially not. Ram specs are published. You can search this list archives because i posted themwithin the last year. Or emsil me and ill send yhem from a device i can actually type on. Sent from my Kindle Fire -- *From:* Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thu Apr 26 16:18:48 CDT 2012 *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised How do you know the tubes? Was there a time when Riv told you what tubes they used? Iv'e been trying to find out the tubes in Rambs. Thanks, Ryan On Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:55:43 PM UTC-7, SISDDWG wrote: Frame, fork, and headset only Frame: Long-low road Standard Size: 59cm measured ctt, tt has 1 degree upslope Braze-ons: Shifter bosses Cantilever bosses Rear rack mounts Installed Parts: Tange Rollerball headset 26.4 x 30.2 Paint: JB Green Painted head tube Window fill Specs: Top Tube: Reynolds 725 28.6 x 858 (AG206) Head Tube: Reynolds 531 31.7 x 0.9 Fork Blades: Reynolds 531 Rnd 24OD x 0.55 x 385 Down Tube: Tange Prestige 28.6 9-6-9 Seat Stay: Vitus 16OD x 0.8 x 560 Seat Tube: Vitus 28.6 976 (GTI) Chain Stay: Reynolds 725 22.2 ROR 8-6 (FX2500) NEVER crashed. No dents. Usual unobtrusive paint chips. Shipping within continental U.S.A. only. Buyer pays actual USPS cost. Price: $850 plus shipping cost via Paypal or cash if local pick up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/j2_oH0RNXzUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/58sYCgZdWJsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
Continued. The chainstays are OX PLAT, with the odd wall thickness of 0.76mm. Normal would be 0.7 to 0.9, with 0.8 being really common, but these are 0.76. Odd, but fine. They’re good chainstays. The seat stays are Reynolds double-tapered HT CrMo (725). TruTemp doesn’t make double-tapered seat stays, and the Hilsen doesn’t NEED them, but I like them and the Hilsen is our pride and joy, so we get them from Reynolds. The fork blades are Reynolds, too. We like this blade better than any other. It’s not heat-treated. I don’t like heat-treated fork blades, because I think in a front-end crash, the forks should bend before the downtube does. Sometimes both go—-you never can tell—but when you’ve got an OX Plat down tube, a non-heat treated fork makes sense. All of our lugs and bb shells and fork crowns and most of our dropouts are our own, meaning made just for us and of our design. They are as good as lugs can be, I think, but they can’t make a badly designed or poorly brazed frame good. Since our frames are well-designed (my opinion) and brazed, it makes sense to use really find fittings, and that’s why we do it. On Friday, April 27, 2012 4:29:55 AM UTC-4, newenglandbike wrote: There is also a Riv blog post about the Hilsen tubeset here: http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/3218082349/the-t-question-long-post-dry-reading The Homer is made with these tubes, if made in Wisconsin: Seat tube: True Temper Verus heat-treated CrMo. HT CrMo generally ends up with a tensile strength of at least 140,000 psi, so I’m guessing it does too, but if you must know, look it up online. The bike would be no worse if the seat tube metal had an ultimate tensile strength (UTS) of 100,000 psi. That’s more than strong enough, but if a truly crummier frame somewhere had the 140,000 psi metal, we’d look bad, and would look defensive defending the 100,000 psi tube, which is nuts. True Temper makes an even stronger tube, OX Platinum, which does’t work well for seat tubes, because heating hardens it to the point where it’s too hard to ream, so the seat post might not fit well. DOWNtube and TOP TUBE: Here we do use OX Plat, with a UTS of about 200,000 psi. At this point it’s sort of like putting a razor’s edge or super steel on a butter knife and calling it better for it. But in the only slightly weird world of marketing fancy bikes, when bad builders can buy the same tubing and brag about it, it makes nonsense to use something more realistically appropriate. The head tube is OX plat, too. With our lugs, with their reinforced head tube rings that totally forever absolutely will never ovalize, there’s no advantage to it, but we got it, anyway. On Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:43:41 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote: At times RBW gives tube specs but usially not. Ram specs are published. You can search this list archives because i posted themwithin the last year. Or emsil me and ill send yhem from a device i can actually type on. Sent from my Kindle Fire -- *From:* Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thu Apr 26 16:18:48 CDT 2012 *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised How do you know the tubes? Was there a time when Riv told you what tubes they used? Iv'e been trying to find out the tubes in Rambs. Thanks, Ryan On Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:55:43 PM UTC-7, SISDDWG wrote: Frame, fork, and headset only Frame: Long-low road Standard Size: 59cm measured ctt, tt has 1 degree upslope Braze-ons: Shifter bosses Cantilever bosses Rear rack mounts Installed Parts: Tange Rollerball headset 26.4 x 30.2 Paint: JB Green Painted head tube Window fill Specs: Top Tube: Reynolds 725 28.6 x 858 (AG206) Head Tube: Reynolds 531 31.7 x 0.9 Fork Blades: Reynolds 531 Rnd 24OD x 0.55 x 385 Down Tube: Tange Prestige 28.6 9-6-9 Seat Stay: Vitus 16OD x 0.8 x 560 Seat Tube: Vitus 28.6 976 (GTI) Chain Stay: Reynolds 725 22.2 ROR 8-6 (FX2500) NEVER crashed. No dents. Usual unobtrusive paint chips. Shipping within continental U.S.A. only. Buyer pays actual USPS cost. Price: $850 plus shipping cost via Paypal or cash if local pick up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/j2_oH0RNXzUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/oWllYaxmZgEJ
[RBW] Re: Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis
I used the nitto mini front and wald basket, with a Tubus Tara lowrider on a 6K tour once.I would use the exact same setup if I did it again. The mini-front with wald basket and bungee is incredibly robust, flexible, and handy. Of course the Tubus low rider's reputation speaks for itself I think. However, I am sure I could have used a Nitto Big Front rack with wald basket and get similar performance. Good luck on your tour :D Matt On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:34:19 PM UTC-4, Darin G. wrote: My Atlantis is built up and riding (gratuitous plug for Saturday Cycles in SLC). An awesome dreadnaught of a bicycle. I'm running a Nitto Mini-Front with a Berthoud bag and decaleur on the front. I'm planning a tour and wondering what y'all use for a front touring rack. I'm thinking of pulling the Mini off and going with the Nitto Big Front. Seems the Berthoud bag would rest on it in fine, especially with the decaleur, and then I could hang the front panniers on as well. But,...wondering if there is some other option where I could keep the Mini-Front and use some kind of clamp on low-rider (Tubus? Bruce Gordon?). Is there a rack that would actually use the fork braze ons other than the Nitto? Suggestions with illustrative photos appreciated. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/k8-A4AlELEkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pre-ordered a blue Sam Hillborne a few minutes ago
I've been using the quickbeam crank on my bombadil for years, and have been slowly updating my other bikes with the same. The big ring on a triple has only ever been a dysfunctional, pant-leg eating guard for me anyway. Might as well have a real guard there :) Matt On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:27:24 PM UTC-4, Scot Brooks wrote: Congratulations! I was in the same situation as you when I ordered my Sam. Had a 14 year old Bontrager Privateer Comp that had been through many reincarnations and it was time to get something new and nice. I think you're going to look back at this as one of the best and most overdue decisions you ever made. In answer your question about the crankset; I went with the triple because they accidentally shipped it to me (I ordered the double with the guard). After riding it for awhile, I removed the big ring in favor of the guard and I've never looked back. I still wish I got the double to begin with because the gearing would be just a bit more useful. In my case, I bought the 12-36 cassette from Riv and I never quite get to low gear even living in hilly Seattle. The cassette would make more sense with the 42/30 double or whatever it is, for me at least. As for the big Marathons, you can go wicked big if you want. I got some 700x47 ones to try on my Sam and they fit no sweat, even (kinda sorta) with fenders. I usually just ride the 38 version though. On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:27:24 PM UTC-4, Scot Brooks wrote: Congratulations! I was in the same situation as you when I ordered my Sam. Had a 14 year old Bontrager Privateer Comp that had been through many reincarnations and it was time to get something new and nice. I think you're going to look back at this as one of the best and most overdue decisions you ever made. In answer your question about the crankset; I went with the triple because they accidentally shipped it to me (I ordered the double with the guard). After riding it for awhile, I removed the big ring in favor of the guard and I've never looked back. I still wish I got the double to begin with because the gearing would be just a bit more useful. In my case, I bought the 12-36 cassette from Riv and I never quite get to low gear even living in hilly Seattle. The cassette would make more sense with the 42/30 double or whatever it is, for me at least. As for the big Marathons, you can go wicked big if you want. I got some 700x47 ones to try on my Sam and they fit no sweat, even (kinda sorta) with fenders. I usually just ride the 38 version though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/8Kznk-GFUKgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Questions on Carradice Barley
Another vote for the barley being a tad small.Good bag, but other than tools/spare tube and a sweater you're not fitting much in there. For Carradice, my faves are the camper and camper longflap.BUT you should take a long hard look at a Saddlesack Medium or Large. Those bags combined with a nitto top rack are ridiculously useful and well designed. -Matt On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:44:58 AM UTC-4, doc wrote: I found the Barley too small for day rides and went with the Pendle. For both bags I inserted hard plastic backing to help them maintain their shape (cut from cat litter tubs). For both sprung and unsprung saddles, a Midlands bag support at $7.00 works great and keeps them from swaying, plus prevents them rubbing up against the backs of my thighs. I love the looks of the Carradice, but I wish they had different fasteners than the traditional buckles. They can be cumbersome, especially in winter when wearing a pair of gloves. On Apr 17, 11:59 pm, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Thought of Barley until I purchased a Nelson Longflap...and glad I did. The Barley would be too small except in ideal weather (for me) In the summer I use a Banana bag for tools,tube, wallet and phone but in the rainy Northwest I need capacity for rain gear and a change of clothing etc. for the other nine months of the year. I imagine a Barley would be a nice bag to leave on all year with perhaps another (maybe a front bag) to supplement. I rack my Nelson now and am in the process of building a spartan rack / bag support / light mount. This rack will be made with the idea of adding and extension piece for a full rack when I want to camp or whatever. Still working on the design...with bags more is better when you actually want to carry stuff. When you go big you find stuff to carry that you might actually need or want to make cycling more enjoyable and less of a stranded in the middle of nowhere without what you need athletic event. ; ) On Apr 17, 2:36 pm, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Thinking of getting a Carradice Barley saddlebag but wanted to ask if anyone here is running one currently and how they like it. Also do you need a bag support with this thing like the now discontinued Hupe, and will it work with a sprung Brooks like the B72? Thanks to any help anyone can offer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/bgLIreamQBgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pre-ordered a blue Sam Hillborne a few minutes ago
Hi Mike, I just use a triple derailleur, and have adjusted the screws so that it doesn't shift past the middle ring. For chain length I use the middle ring and largest rear cog +2 links, and that seems to work OK. The stock 40/32 of the QB crank may not give you the full range you want but it is not awful.When it came time for new rings I went with a 28t small ring. If running 700c wheels with fat tires you may not even need 40t on the 'big' (middle) ring and could go to a 36/26 or something.Anyway it's great to hop on the bike and not worry about tying up your pant leg all the time.The guard also slides right over small fallen trees. -Matt. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:36:41 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote: On Apr 18, 12:14 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using the quickbeam crank on my bombadil for years, and have been slowly updating my other bikes with the same. The big ring on a triple has only ever been a dysfunctional, pant-leg eating guard for me anyway. Might as well have a real guard there :) Matt More and more this set-up is making sense to me. I have a pair of VO 50.4 BCD cranks on my rando bike and while I love the 46/30 rings I just don't like the cranks. Set-up is a bit tricky as it's much easier to have issues with chainline and the crank arms hitting the chain due to the design. Why they didn't update the design a bit, like Rene Herse did, rather than just make a straight copy of the TA crank is beyond me. Also, I don't know that I'm a van of the super low q- factor. I sold my QB a while back but kept the cranks. I may use them on my Hilsen with an 8-spd 11-32 cassette. Two questions: 1) What derailer do I use? Double? Triple? 2) Are there any issues I need to be aware of when using the big (middle) ring and the lowest or highest gear? I guess I have a third question, how do I determine chain length, just wrap the chain around the big (middle) ring and lowest gear? Thanks! --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Pp8xAw8KmCEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pre-ordered a blue Sam Hillborne a few minutes ago
PS I haven't had any problems using the big (middle) ring across all the cogs, but tend to prefer shifting down to the small ring when on the biggest 2 cogs. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:36:41 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote: On Apr 18, 12:14 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using the quickbeam crank on my bombadil for years, and have been slowly updating my other bikes with the same. The big ring on a triple has only ever been a dysfunctional, pant-leg eating guard for me anyway. Might as well have a real guard there :) Matt More and more this set-up is making sense to me. I have a pair of VO 50.4 BCD cranks on my rando bike and while I love the 46/30 rings I just don't like the cranks. Set-up is a bit tricky as it's much easier to have issues with chainline and the crank arms hitting the chain due to the design. Why they didn't update the design a bit, like Rene Herse did, rather than just make a straight copy of the TA crank is beyond me. Also, I don't know that I'm a van of the super low q- factor. I sold my QB a while back but kept the cranks. I may use them on my Hilsen with an 8-spd 11-32 cassette. Two questions: 1) What derailer do I use? Double? Triple? 2) Are there any issues I need to be aware of when using the big (middle) ring and the lowest or highest gear? I guess I have a third question, how do I determine chain length, just wrap the chain around the big (middle) ring and lowest gear? Thanks! --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7YRbAfdElTwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 64cm Orange Quickbeam FS in LA
Just had a nice ride in the Chestnut Hill woods on my 64cm orange beam. I couldn't imagine getting bored of it. On Monday, April 16, 2012 6:44:33 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: FYI tall people: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/2961803201.htmlDon't know anything about it, no affiliation, etc, etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/00xHF-zkKuYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New chain skipping
Hi Pam, I'd maybe take a look at your cogs and chainrings (if you haven't replaced those too), and make sure that the teeth aren't too worn.You'll know if the teeth end in sharp points like a shark fin. Matt On Sunday, April 15, 2012 8:31:56 PM UTC-4, pam wrote: I just got a new chain after LBS told me the old one was worn out. The new one occasionally skips. The old one never did. What's the problem? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/saol7PpmEBUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: SimpleOne
Now and then on hills I'll just get off and walk, which I like doing actually, it is relaxing.Not that the ride isn't- it is relaxing too. On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:03:05 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote: Was that way myself until a about a year ago. Over the past couple years have been on rides with folks riding single speed (or fixed gear) bikes and was jealous, for lack of a better term. Especially on the SoCal Riv Ride back in 2009. Was really yearning for a Quickbeam by the end of the ride. Decided after getting a Cross Check last year to give it a try. Had Jim Thill build a wheel and put it on the bike. And took it for a ride. Then another. Then another. I liked it. A lot. There are some limitations with my single speed riding - climbing is slower and will often look for alternate route rather than heading for steep hills. Then again can probably get around 90 percent of the Twin Cities metro area without having to do an ugly (to me) climb. And climbing even out of my side street in winter with studded tires was more chore than I'd like. But overall, it's a fun alternative to shifting. Plus, a single speed is a great excuse why I can't keep up with faster riders. Which is just about every body else out there. Eric Platt (Counting down the days until next Monday) On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:32:22 PM UTC-5, Way Rebb wrote: The last single speed I had was as a kid and his StingRay. Getting a bike with gears was a revelation. I remember actually riding, not pushing the bike, up 73rd in Oakland with a big smile on my face. I doubt, in fact I know, I'd never get a single speed. I can get the same effect by not changing gears for a while. Maybe if it had all the braze ons for a Rohloff or something like that. Some people seem to like them, just not for me. On Apr 9, 7:11 pm, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote: Jim writes: People think single-speed and in the same thought they think beater or winter bike or bar bike or whatever other utilitarian, un-romantic category applies. I figure Jim's dealt with way more folks buying bikes than I have so I wouldn't take issue with him about what people in the aggregate think. But I sure don't think that way. When I got my first ss/fixed bike (after grade school that is), I was concerned about winter in the midwest. I didn't want rear derailers freezing up packed full of slush. I wanted fenders so I wouldn't get covered with slush. I thought the 1/8th inch chain would lower the loads and wear better. But I wasn't particularly thinking cheep. I got campi track hubs, moderate weight tubular rims, suntour superbe cranks, lyotard platform pedals (ok they weren't expensive but they were nice), and chinelli bar and stem. If I could have afforded a better frame I think I would have. I understand fear of theft driving a desire for cheep. But not fear of the elements. I have never hesitated to take a nice bike out into the rain or snow because I was afraid it would get wrecked. I also see no conflict between utilitarian and aesthetics/elegance/beauty etc. Have you ever used snap-on tools? Clearly not enough people will pay 1k for a dedicated SS frame and fork to support the SO/QB in the marketplace. I just find it odd if thats not because almost nobody (outside of hipsterdom which, as noted previously, has a different aesthetic) really knows they like riding em. Of course I think lots of things are odd. On Apr 9, 3:16 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Also, in reference to Ted's comment about the Cross-check being more an analog to the Hillborne than to the SO: That's definitely true if you're talking about the Cross-check as a geared bike. In that case, the two bikes have a lot of similarities, except one looks fancier and costs $600 more (for the frameset only). The price difference is more profound if you compare the CC stock complete bike to a similarly equipped Hillborne, which is not available as a mass-market complete bike. But lots of people, for various reasons, think the price difference on the Riv is plenty acceptable. Lots of people are willing to shell out for a special bike. Cool. But single-speeds are different. People think single-speed and in the same thought they think beater or winter bike or bar bike or whatever other utilitarian, un-romantic category applies. In that case, you look at that $600 price difference and you think about rust and dents, and that Surly, what it lacks in panache, it makes up in ruggedness and, ultimately, in the worst case scenario, replaceability. In the case of single-speeds, the preciousness that many of us assign to Rivendell bicycles is a drawback. And that's why I say more mundane frames like the CC make it hard to sell the QB/SO. -- You received this
[RBW] Re: Specialized Sequoia
I have an '83 sequoia that I stumbled upon in brand new condition at Bikes Not Bombs in Jamaica Plain a few years ago, and it gets ridden quite a bit.Not quite Rivendell geometry with it's steep ST angle-but it is a great bike, worth it if you can find one.I love mine- it handles great, is fairly light yet sturdy, and it fits 28's with fenders no problem. Here's a shot from before I got fenders for it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/43029278@N07/5764577826/ On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:17:31 AM UTC-4, franklyn wrote: Brian, I have one that I got last year. I replaced a Riv Bleriot with it. Here are some pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157627342403464/ Mine is a 58cm. I really like these miyata-built sequoia. They are supple and responsible, and the geometry is pretty close to a Riv Romulus or Bleriot. I did swap out the fork to one with lower trail, as all my other bikes have low-trail forks and I preferred the handling now. However, even with the stock fork, it was a fun bike to ride. I got the frameset for $280--repainted. If the bike is really near new, and you will not be swapping out many parts, then $600 is pretty good. If you plan on making lots of changes to the bike, then it might not be as economical for you. Franklyn On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:37:52 AM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote: I have an opportunnity to buy a 60cm Specialized Sequoia ($650) in almost new condition. My interweb research has let me know that these bikes have a dedicated following. I was wondering if anyone here has one and could possibly tell me their thoughts about the bike and also, if the price is in the ball park? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/odnpDWemBfcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Nitto R-14 top rack on a Roadeo: Sacrilege?
I don't have a Roadeo so take this with grain of salt, but I bet it would be fine. The R-14 rack is not typical, being unusually well made, lightweight and stiff. That being said, you could also look into mounting the smaller Mark's rack- although they are normally shown mounted to the fork, they can also be mounted to the seatstays. I have one on an old sequoia to support a large saddlebag and it is great. Matt On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:10:41 AM UTC-4, Forrest wrote: Would use rubber-lined clamps on the seat stays, and the long struts bolted to fender braze-ons at the rear dropouts. Could just use a true saddlebag sans rack, but I am overly fond of my Arkel Tail Rider trunk bag. It only weighs a pound, and I usually never have more than 7-9 pounds of stuff in it, max, often more like 5-6 pounds. But it is bullet-proof and waterproof and expandable, and what if I come across a box turtle that I would like to take home to my wife as a present (she's turtle-crazy)? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/V9ORI3ST-5QJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: SimpleOne
I think one of the cool things about the QB and Simple One is the 120mm rear spacing combined with the relatively huge tire clearance, which AFAIK is pretty unique. You can run a fairly narrow tread crank setup with a 107mm BB and have get a decent chainline, and yet are able to fit tires up to 45s on the QB, or even 50s(?) with the Simple One. You also got the Rivendell geometry, lugs, rack and fenderability, build quality, etc. All this is on top of those awesome 2 inch long angled dropouts.I shift my QB now and then between roads and trails, and it comes in handy with for example 40/16, 40/19, 32/19 and 32/22 available. It's a shame they were forced to discontinue them, I wish they had been more of a hit. On Sunday, April 8, 2012 8:27:37 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote: Well, in theory, one could have a Surly Cross Check set up for single speed, and still end up ordering a SimpleOne. In part due to longer chainstays, slightly lower bottom bracket, kewl green color and being the last of the completely different Rivendell models. But that of course would just be in theory.g As a bike, the Cross Check is an excellent bike with a 130mm wide single speed hub. And I can convert mine to a 1x8or9 in about a half hour. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sunday, April 8, 2012 3:25:42 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Obviously, not everybody will want a single-speed conversion on a non-dedicated SS bike. My point was more to explain, in part, why maybe the SO/QB wasn't a better seller because of frames like the CC that, in function, do the same thing, for less dough. Another factor that I think relevant to lagging sales: my exhaustive demographic research suggests that RBW's target market is 58-year-old upper-middle income types who own multiple bikes (including, perhaps, a vintage frame that can be converted). Single-speed popularity tends to be driven, I dare say, by relative youngsters who have only one bike that they ride and lock up everywhere. It's not practical or fashionable in this crowd to have a nice/expensive/new bike. Far more street cred is attached to machines lovingly assembled from dumpster frames and parts. On Sunday, April 8, 2012 8:27:37 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote: Well, in theory, one could have a Surly Cross Check set up for single speed, and still end up ordering a SimpleOne. In part due to longer chainstays, slightly lower bottom bracket, kewl green color and being the last of the completely different Rivendell models. But that of course would just be in theory.g As a bike, the Cross Check is an excellent bike with a 130mm wide single speed hub. And I can convert mine to a 1x8or9 in about a half hour. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sunday, April 8, 2012 3:25:42 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Obviously, not everybody will want a single-speed conversion on a non-dedicated SS bike. My point was more to explain, in part, why maybe the SO/QB wasn't a better seller because of frames like the CC that, in function, do the same thing, for less dough. Another factor that I think relevant to lagging sales: my exhaustive demographic research suggests that RBW's target market is 58-year-old upper-middle income types who own multiple bikes (including, perhaps, a vintage frame that can be converted). Single-speed popularity tends to be driven, I dare say, by relative youngsters who have only one bike that they ride and lock up everywhere. It's not practical or fashionable in this crowd to have a nice/expensive/new bike. Far more street cred is attached to machines lovingly assembled from dumpster frames and parts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/R1HREkME7qcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating herd thinning to all-26
+1. I would keep it and try find another way to downsize. But then again that's what I do, and now pretty much all I own are some bicycles and a guitar. On Sunday, April 8, 2012 7:23:13 PM UTC-4, Zack wrote: I came across this Long Low in the Riv Reader (I think #16)! Great story about how you wanted something that would be like your old Centurion. Count me in the group that says hold on to the Riv. There are surely better places to downsize than a bike that you will literally not ever be able to replace. On Saturday, April 7, 2012 11:33:27 AM UTC-4, Beth H wrote: Fellow Riv-freaks: As my life and my bicycling style both evolve, some things have become evident. Chief among them is that, of all my bikes, I tend to ride just two the most: 1. My Surly Big Dummy (no matter what BQ says, I really like mine); and 2. My 1999 Riv All-Rounder (an acquisiting from another Riv-freak several years ago). The former is absolutely necessary for hauling my guitar and amp to gigs, not to mention groceries. The latter is my daily transportation. I had promised the previous owner that I would ride the crap out of it, and that is basically what I've been doing since I set it up for city riding. I have two other bikes that I don't ride so much anymore. One is the singlespeed mountain bike I've raced on for the last three years, and since I'm fairly certain I won't be racing anymore (my knees can't really handle singlespeed and I don't want to race anything else) the former bike will probably go this year. The latter is my 700c-wheeled LongLow, a bike I've had since 1999 and which I ride less and less as my style and needs change. I am more emotionally attached to this bike than practically so, and I'd like to hear from other folks who have become fans of an all-26-wheeled stable. When did you do it and why? Beth in PDX http://www.reverbnation.com/bethhamon http://beth-hamon.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/HM266ufRUM4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Fit - Back Pain - RivRiders Handlebar Survey
Bill- could you be a little less overt in your shameless gambits for more bike porn? have you no dignity man? Now, back to the topic at hand: Bruce, please post a picture of your bike already. -Matt On Tuesday, April 3, 2012 9:23:29 AM UTC-4, Bill M. wrote: Bruce, Can you post a good profile picture of your bike as it sits, and maybe one of you on the bike? Bill On Monday, April 2, 2012 5:05:14 PM UTC-7, Bruce Curry wrote: Tis the season to be putting on more miles and I am experiencing more pronounced lower back pain. For some reason climbing makes it even worse. I feel like my bars are too far forward for me but don't wan't to launch on a stem buying spree without some scientific study and addl input from group members. The facts: 64cm Ram with the bars about 3cm over saddle height, 60cm cockpit w/a 12cm stem and a VO wayback seatpost w/a brooks B17. I am tall with long torso short arms. When I look at my front hub thru my bars the hub is about an inch ahead of the line made by the bars (but since the bars are up so high this point is essentially moot). What I think is probably the most telling issue is that my knees remain about 7 away from my bars (measured horizontally from each other from a purely eyeballed vertical plane separating my knee from the bars). The method I used to take this measurement was to spin backwards holding onto the wall looking straight down at a tape measure to judge the imaginary horizontal distance from the farthest forward progress of the knee. Has anyone else faced this challenge? Solution? Does the knee-bar quotient seem like a rational metric. Anyone else care to share their number? Bruce in Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/FxESZ1UOyX8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Bosco bars - different flares?
I'm pretty sure that's a trick of the camera lens (wide angle), and that those are two photos of the same bar. Matt On Sunday, April 1, 2012 7:04:30 PM UTC-4, BSWP wrote: I saw the new Bosco bars on the RBW site... the pictures give the impression that some of the bars have parallel grips, and some have wide flared grips. Is this just a trick of the camera lens? Same effect can be seen for both the standard bars, and the bullmoose bars. Maybe the pictures are a blend of prototype bars? For example, compare http://www.rivbike.com/PhotoGallery.asp?ProductCode=HB12PhotoNumber=4 to http://www.rivbike.com/PhotoGallery.asp?ProductCode=HB12PhotoNumber=3 - Andrew, Berkeley -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/WiZggS-sr2EJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A new tent for bicycle camping?
I've been using a Hilleberg Unna tent for years now. Best tent I've ever had.so simple to set up and tear down, and tough as nails. Green color- which is a big thing for me about tents- I need them to be GREEN (but not lime green). -Matt On Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:32:35 PM UTC-4, C.J. Filip wrote: Used a Big Agnes Seedhouse for a number of years backpacking. It was plenty light enough, probably too light since the aluminum poles kept splitting at the ends. IIRC the Seedhouse may have been in the low three-pound range so your poles might be a little beefier. Big Agnes replaced the poles without hassle or questions. The Hilleberg tents that Grant and former employee Daniel rave about are some of the highest quality you can buy yet the weight is right there with your Lynx Pass. I'm happy to get 3 seasons out of my backpacking and outdoor gear in general. $100 would be money well spent if you stay dry, nothing breaks or rips and you get some good use out of it, IMHO. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/HmGjKmdjw9YJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] 650b Alternatives to Pari Motos.
My girlfriend's first-gen Hillborne has Hetre's on it and there is plenty of room for fenders (though she doesn't use fenders). On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:53:19 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 08:11 -0700, RJM wrote: I am looking for some alternatives to Pari Motos for my Sam. I have been having a problem with flats with these tires, and they seem like they are wearing out quicker than I would like. Looking for something that will still have some performance and won't be sluggish on the road but will still be able to take some road abuse. I have a spare wheelset with Fatty Rumpkins for dirt and touring so I have that kind of stuff covered. Any ideas, recommendations or opinions? If the Hetres fit, they're your best bet; however, they may not fit a Hillborne. A good second at a true 38mm is the Lierre. I don't know what their service life will be, but I'm sure it will be significantly longer than the Pari Motos, as the PMs have a very thin tread, and the Lierres aren't sluggish at all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/aML5u_ymLjwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What eye protection do y'all use when riding?
I wear KDs or sunglasses, or double-lens (no fog) ski goggles in the winter. On Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:31:18 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 17:13 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: You long distance riders: what do you wear, if anything, to protect your eyes from sun, wind, dust and pollen? I dislike glasses intensely because I sweat all over them so that in very short order they become largely opaque -- as even the very well designed -- the frames sit away from the face -- R Projects got smeared today in 12 miles at 74F, 11% humidity. I wear RayBan Aviators. Although I occasionally do get a few spots on the inside of the lenses, primarily from tearing on extremely windy days, I typically do not sweat on the lenses even though our notion of a humid day here in metro DC is often as much as ten times higher than Patrick's. And when it comes to pollen -- some days around here, you finish a ride with a green or yellow skin and need to run the windshield washers before you can drive home after the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/YRkbX5s7CagJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New Drivetrain for my Atlantis
I have at least 10K on a set of shimano deores (6K continental tour +2.5 years commuting), re-laced them twice but didn't even clean them off, and they still spin silky smooth. On Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:47:00 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: 11K on a set of Phils and they feel like new. 10K and 7 K in two (titanium!) bb assemblies, ditto. Heck, the --what, 30? 40? -- year old 3 piece Phils on the old Herse I briefly owned were as smooth as the newer ones. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Bruce Herbitter bruce.herbit...@gmail.com wrote: I've got over 4k miles on a set of white industries hubs and they still font need service Sent from my Kindle Fire From: Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com Sent: Wed Mar 21 16:26:57 CDT 2012 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] New Drivetrain for my Atlantis On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:25 PM, sanjoser thomas.savar...@gmail.com wrote: hello everyone I've had a mix of components on my atlantis for it's life, these 10 years or so. different shifters, hubs, gears, drivetrain, etc. I've got the urge to do an upgrade, and I'd really like to go campy. I've been advised that my chris king hubs are fine, so long as they get serviced every six months, so I guess I'll keep those, but everything else is up for change. This is my goto bike for commuting and tours. I guess I don't have to explain that to this group. So, what 's the consensus? best regards tom You have to service your hubs every 6 months?? that seems... excessive. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/zr3W82gCG7sJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New Drivetrain for my Atlantis
PS I'm not proud of that level of neglect of my hubs--- but life gets in the way and usually something else is up with my bike/wheels (new england road salt eats rims for breakfast).I'm tempted to go clean those hubs up right now just b/c they are damn good hubs. On Thursday, March 22, 2012 5:40:28 AM UTC-4, newenglandbike wrote: I have at least 10K on a set of shimano deores (6K continental tour +2.5 years commuting), re-laced them twice but didn't even clean them off, and they still spin silky smooth. On Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:47:00 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: 11K on a set of Phils and they feel like new. 10K and 7 K in two (titanium!) bb assemblies, ditto. Heck, the --what, 30? 40? -- year old 3 piece Phils on the old Herse I briefly owned were as smooth as the newer ones. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Bruce Herbitter bruce.herbit...@gmail.com wrote: I've got over 4k miles on a set of white industries hubs and they still font need service Sent from my Kindle Fire From: Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com Sent: Wed Mar 21 16:26:57 CDT 2012 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] New Drivetrain for my Atlantis On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:25 PM, sanjoser thomas.savar...@gmail.com wrote: hello everyone I've had a mix of components on my atlantis for it's life, these 10 years or so. different shifters, hubs, gears, drivetrain, etc. I've got the urge to do an upgrade, and I'd really like to go campy. I've been advised that my chris king hubs are fine, so long as they get serviced every six months, so I guess I'll keep those, but everything else is up for change. This is my goto bike for commuting and tours. I guess I don't have to explain that to this group. So, what 's the consensus? best regards tom You have to service your hubs every 6 months?? that seems... excessive. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7_nurQ0wAbMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New Drivetrain for my Atlantis
I was thinking the same thing... unless I'm riding 60 miles every day, I don't want to be servicing hubs that often. But back on the drivetrain question- I'm sorry I can't make a recommendation if you want to get Campagnolo- but I've had really good experience with shimano XT, 8-speed cassettes and KMC chains on my Bombadil. On Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:26:57 PM UTC-4, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:25 PM, sanjoser thomas.savar...@gmail.com wrote: hello everyone I've had a mix of components on my atlantis for it's life, these 10 years or so. different shifters, hubs, gears, drivetrain, etc. I've got the urge to do an upgrade, and I'd really like to go campy. I've been advised that my chris king hubs are fine, so long as they get serviced every six months, so I guess I'll keep those, but everything else is up for change. This is my goto bike for commuting and tours. I guess I don't have to explain that to this group. So, what 's the consensus? best regards tom You have to service your hubs every 6 months?? that seems... excessive. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/DuqODu1JsfMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 650b ... the next wave.
I'm always glad to see more positive exposure for 650b as well, since I agree that it is only natural to have a prominent size option to fill the relatively huge gap between 559 and 622 in a market where people sweat 1/2-degree ST/HT angle diffs and fraction-of-a-cm top tube and chainstay increments.I just hope there continue to be good 650b rims for those of us who don't race and prefer rim-brakes. -Matt On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 2:13:43 PM UTC-4, John Speare wrote: Agreed, I’m looking forward to: - That same 40mm knobbie - Better selection of XC-style sus forks for 584 (heresy on this list, I know!) *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *William *Sent:* Tuesday, March 20, 2012 11:04 AM *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [RBW] Re: 650b ... the next wave. The speculation is that there have been carbon tubular 650c rims in the Tri-community for years, and mountain tubulars to fit same, for years. That's been common in the mountain bike racing community. Not dominant, but not unheard of. It's obviously possible that DT swiss made a 584 prototype, and that Dugast made a tire to fit it. I don't have any first hand info on any of this. I ride 584 with fervor, and am committed to the wheelsize. The fact that the industry will be making a push to bring it into the mainstream is great in my book. It's hard to predict how it'll make my life more convenient. At least it will mean more shops will stock the tubes and the spokes that I may need. Since most of the new wave of bikes will have disc brakes, we may not see a lot of rims for the rest of us. Besides tubes and spokes, the next thing I'm hoping for is a ~40mm knobby, like a 650B cyclocross tire. That would be kind of fun. On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:49:23 AM UTC-7, Patrick in VT wrote: On Mar 20, 12:56 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: There's rampant speculation that Nino's bike isn't 650B at all. It's far more likely that it's 650C. Who cares between 571 and 584? Nobody among the converted. It's just now that the mainstream is about to launch a bunch of 584 mountain bikes, they want to claim that 584 wins races, even if Nino's bike isn't 584. why would it be 650c? that doesn't make any sense. DT swiss has confirmed that they're working on 650b wheels and it would make sense that Nino was on prototypes (his whole bike was a prototype). Given the cost of prototyping everything - and the positive feedback from guys like Nino - I think it's a pretty good indication that DT and Scott will probably throw their hat in the 650b ring. why one-off a 650c bike? On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:49:23 AM UTC-7, Patrick in VT wrote: On Mar 20, 12:56 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: There's rampant speculation that Nino's bike isn't 650B at all. It's far more likely that it's 650C. Who cares between 571 and 584? Nobody among the converted. It's just now that the mainstream is about to launch a bunch of 584 mountain bikes, they want to claim that 584 wins races, even if Nino's bike isn't 584. why would it be 650c? that doesn't make any sense. DT swiss has confirmed that they're working on 650b wheels and it would make sense that Nino was on prototypes (his whole bike was a prototype). Given the cost of prototyping everything - and the positive feedback from guys like Nino - I think it's a pretty good indication that DT and Scott will probably throw their hat in the 650b ring. why one-off a 650c bike? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/dKJS7_A6wCcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vr5m4YHGd5IJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Jan Heine says I can ride my Bombadil forever!
Well, one might not be able to ride one's bombadil forever, but certainly someone or other will be able to ride it forever. It's a bike for multiple geological ages, let alone lifetimes :) On Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:25:53 PM UTC-4, William wrote: OK, that's not a direct quote. He didn't say that specifically, but in today's blog post, Jan *does* debunk the notion that steel frames go soft with use. They don't. You can't break in a steel bike and make it get more flexible for comfort and planing, and you can't wear out a steel frame in terms of stiffness. It doesn't get flexier with use. You might break it with use, but you won't make it flexier. Good read and uncontroversial for many of us, but definitely counter to the popular notion in the cycling community in general. http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/frames-going-soft/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/RZXDW9W0PgMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Downhill video
This must be part of the standard EN testing (mentioned on the current BLUG posthttp://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/18970478258/i-know-its-kind-of-a-cheap-shot-to-show-this) that all the Riv models go through. On Thursday, March 8, 2012 7:08:41 PM UTC-5, David G wrote: Perfect course for a Rosco Bubbe - David G, Madison WI On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:04 PM, MSmith bee...@gmail.com wrote: This is not new news, but I recently re-discovered this video. Unbelievable skills, nerves of steel, and way bigger cojones anyone I know. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIe6hYAdw_I Check out the dog that wanders onto the course... Mike in balmy So. Boston, Mass On Thursday, March 8, 2012 7:08:41 PM UTC-5, David G wrote: Perfect course for a Rosco Bubbe - David G, Madison WI On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:04 PM, MSmith bee...@gmail.com wrote: This is not new news, but I recently re-discovered this video. Unbelievable skills, nerves of steel, and way bigger cojones anyone I know. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIe6hYAdw_I Check out the dog that wanders onto the course... Mike in balmy So. Boston, Mass On Thursday, March 8, 2012 7:08:41 PM UTC-5, David G wrote: Perfect course for a Rosco Bubbe - David G, Madison WI On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:04 PM, MSmith bee...@gmail.com wrote: This is not new news, but I recently re-discovered this video. Unbelievable skills, nerves of steel, and way bigger cojones anyone I know. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIe6hYAdw_I Check out the dog that wanders onto the course... Mike in balmy So. Boston, Mass On Thursday, March 8, 2012 7:08:41 PM UTC-5, David G wrote: Perfect course for a Rosco Bubbe - David G, Madison WI On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:04 PM, MSmith bee...@gmail.com wrote: This is not new news, but I recently re-discovered this video. Unbelievable skills, nerves of steel, and way bigger cojones anyone I know. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIe6hYAdw_I Check out the dog that wanders onto the course... Mike in balmy So. Boston, Mass -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/AwKzrNIbWaMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: SH/AHH sizing question
The more I think about it, the more I think seat height (SH) is a better measurement to go by than PBH if you're going to dive in to a new frame and want the right size. PBH can be measured wrong sometimes, whereas if you have a bike you've been riding a while, it's pretty easy run a tape measure from the center of the bb to the top of the seat and read it from the side.Your PBH being 94cm would suggest a SH of 84cm, which would put you on a 67-69cm AHH if you go by the SH - 15 to 17cm which would give a fistful of seatpost.The 65cm would work too but with more post/stem showing.Again this is assuming an 84cm seat height. For top-tube length, you can use a shorter stem, which is what I have done on some of my bikes. If the longer TT is still not ideal for your back/shoulders, I would order a custom.I have done this myself and yes it is more expensive, but you will get the Riv fit that is perfect for you. Anyway good luck. Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/-8OSnkg4GUAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: SH/AHH sizing question
Welcome to the board LM, and congrats on deciding to go with a riv. regarding your sizing dilemma I vote that you should listen to Rivendell's recommendation. I've heard many people say they've regretted not following the Riv recommended sizing and went too small because of experience with other brands/bikes. Check out this article for great advice: https://www.rivbike.com/kb_results.asp?ID=41 Anyway don't fear the recommendation RBW gave you- they wouldn't steer you wrong. -Matt On Saturday, February 25, 2012 2:14:48 PM UTC-5, Lugmonster wrote: Hello all, I live in Australia and am thinking of picking up a Riv, either a Hillborne or a Hilsen. Given shipping issues etc. I'm sweating over picking the right sized frame. My PBH is 94cm but my height is only 186cm ie. I have a pretty long bottom half and short top half. The folks at Riv are suggesting that I should be looking at a 64cm Hillborne or a 65cm Hilsen. Now this to me seems massive, as I seem to be comfortable on an effective top tube length of about 570mm on a standard racing bike (56-68cm frame). Any top tube past 580mm and I feel like its a bit of a stretch. I'm therefore thinking of maybe a smaller Hilsen (?63) or a 60cm Hillborne. I do appreciate that the bars will be higher thus shortening the distance to handlebars but still it seems like those frames are a bit stretched out for me. Anyone with a similar build who has had experiences positive or negative with Riv sizing? Could you provide some advice? Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/26B9l5CupqAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Drop Bar Newbie Qs
I've tried lots of different drop bars on various bikes and Noodles always feel the best to me. With both noodles and traditional drop bars- when set up with the right reach- I find that when you're riding along on the hoods, and decide you want to move to the drops or hooks, they feel excessively low and forward at first.But if you give it five minutes in that position, your body gets used to it, and it becomes quite comfortable. After riding along settled in the hooks for a while, suddenly you have the opposite problem- moving to the hoods makes you feel bolt-upright, and you feel momentarily as though your bars are too high. But give it five minutes I guess the hard part is finding the right reach, where the tops/hoods and the hooks feel right for their purpose.But as drop bars go, Noodles have the best proportions IMHO. -Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/j6KMxnpdLcUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Unique Hillborne for sale on the Bay
I have noticed that too. On Rivendells with sidepull brakes, it seems like the pads are always positioned near the end of the slot, since the brake is positioned for maximum tire clearance. On Rivs with cantis, the pads always seem to be best aligned to the rim when near the bottom of the slot, which maximizes leverage (and modulation, in my experience). Its all about the details, and they really get it right. -Matt On Friday, February 24, 2012 3:02:37 PM UTC-5, William wrote: I'd be extremely cautious buying a Riv with canti-posts put on after the fact. One of the spectacular aspects of all the Rivendells I've built is that on all of them the brake post positioning has been spot on perfect. I've built up enough bikes in my bike shop days to see how variable cantilever and v-brake performance is when the QC in post positioning is variable. I think that's something that people overlook when they review the performance of a set of brakes. The position of your posts locks into place a crucial part of the geometry of the system, and therefore determines a big part of how the brakes will perform. You can just slap on posts within a few mm and make up for it with pad adjustment to get the brakes set up, but two identical bikes with the same tubing and the same brakes could have much different braking performance if the posts are a few mm lower on one bike than the other. On Friday, February 24, 2012 11:38:58 AM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: There's nothing odd-looking about v-brakes to anyone who has been around mountain bikes in the past 15-20 years (but before everything had discs). I've never understood the claim that cantilevers have superior aesthetics, especially since (IMO) they work worse and are fiddly to set up and keep adjusted. On Friday, February 24, 2012 12:59:38 PM UTC-6, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: The 1st gen green Sams have canti posts. I put v-brakes on mine. Looks a bit odd but works great. Jay On Feb 24, 8:42 pm, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Not related at all to seller, looks like an interesting conversion to cantis, I would need a whole repaint because I am OCD, thank god it is not my size. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Sam-Hillborne-60cm-frameset-/190645. .. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/00T4rdRzn48J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grant, in (or soon to be) in print.
I'm definitely going with at least one paper book since I don't have a kindle. I like Bill's idea of signed copies too, but either way it will be a great read for the start of the summer and I can't wait. -Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/tO4uuRXWTrEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fork rake radius
William, that bombadil's color is badass. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/-iUzXsqIYnkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Jimmy Carter
Yes that picture has been around for a while. But kinda cool to be reminded of it... fenderlines be damned, that's a nice bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/EJjXByVtTc0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 650b and the MTB crowd.
I really like the 650b wheel size for MTB, and am glad it is still slowly catching on.As for availability, I also live near Harris cyclery and they do have 650b tubes and tires. Awesome bike shop all around, and Elton and Susan rock and know a lot about steel bikes (everyone there is great). However for MTB tires I've been the Schwalbe Fatty ones from Riv, which last ludicrous amounts of time compared to anything else I've tried. So yeah.. For regular brake rims you have Velocity synergy or dyad, for MTB tires there are Quasi-motos, IRC, Kenda and of course the supreme schwalbe 650b Fatty that Riv sells. I'm all for lots of variety but those choices are sweet and as long as they keep making at least those, we should be good. Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/J97P45nnq5YJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Best sellers-worst sellers
I have low-normal derailleurs on a couple of my bikes. So much better than high-normal IMHO. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kq0adT06jRwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: East Coast Rivendells / BOBs
I live in the Boston area and am a rivenhead for sure. I know there are lots more around here, and have even seen the occasional Rambouillet or AHH going by the other way!I primarily ride to work and back and ride the trails and aquaducts around newton/weston ma.In the summer I am engulfed by the occasional peloton, but miss those guys in the winter (even now when we have no snow). Anyway it seems that in Boston there are lots of steel bikes of all kinds, but ironically enough, mostly among younger riders.I think the fixie thing, for all its controversy and hype, really introduced young riders to the virtues of steel and the fact that durability/repairability IS an important part of performance.Fixed gear culture also helped dissolve the notion that special plastic clothing is required for riding a bicycle (after all, you only need tight jeans and a couple neck tattoos :). But seriously, maybe its a stretch but I have hope for the future of BOBish principles around here because of the kids. And Bikes Not Bombs. -Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7BpbQpmgITIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: East Coast Rivendells / BOBs
Good point Jim, I totally agree with you about the influence that Grant and folks like Sheldon Brown have had, on both bicycle culture, and the prevalence of new steel bikes from more mainstream companies- didn't mean to overlook that in my hypothesis about why so many people are riding steel frames now.Rivendell has advocated the use of steel and lugs continuously since bridgestone, and has always had a dedicated following (though smaller at the beginning), whereas the fixie culture has helped get a somewhat tangential group of people on board, who will hopefully all end up as BOBs/ROBs too heh heh :D Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/hArm9IP2D8QJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 46 Noodles swapped for 42s
I agree with Charlie- the wide ones seem better for offroad riding. Still, I traded 46s I had on my Bombadil for 42s last year and don't want to go back.I must have to to do with my narrow bird-like shoulders :DBottom line for me though either size of Noodle bar are the best bars I've ridden yet. The backsweep + flat ramps and drops equals unparalleled comfort. I remember reading about a year ago, maybe in a Rivendell blog post, that steel Noodles were in the works.I really like that idea. -Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ih67P8mrX14J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Medium shopsack is back!
Yay! I'm glad their disappearance is only temporary. I hope to grab another one when they come back. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ZGUmvnrDxYMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Medium shopsack is back!
Shoot, it's gone again! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/rMsrMiyjlRoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Packing the Sackville Shopsack
I have a medium shopsack too, for groceries, and I love it.In fact, I want to get another one- but I notice they aren't on the site anymore. Where'd they go? I hope they weren't discontinued with the sale (were they?)! I'd be really bummed if that were the case. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/THVySQHWvegJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis vs. Sam
'One guy pointed out that my bike was more a toy than a machine. ' LOL at some spandex tool on a race bike calling your bike a 'toy'. Bicycling is so f-ed up these days. On Monday, February 6, 2012 5:25:16 PM UTC-5, Smitty-A-Go-Go wrote: I think they didn't know what to make of Homer and as a result saw the lugs + shiny bits as frivolous. I was aware going in the possibility of my bike being seen as being an oddball but I didn't think it would be pointed out to me. As a correction... one of my initial sentences was half deleted... or perhaps I only typed half of it before my brain jumped ahead. Anyway... it should read: One guy pointed out that my bike was more a toy than a machine. I've a friend who refers to me as a Riven-dork but it's used in a friendly way. He understands + rides fat tires, racks and bags... he just thinks Rivs are over priced. I've heard of Rivsters getting guff like this but now I feel like I've been initiated into the next level of Riv-ness. --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/phwfJEblKmcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Big bikes and limits
Awesome bike man. On cursory judgement by the seatpost and seat/handlebar height, it looks like it fits damn comfortably. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4aKBVsH0pnQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Nuance of the rebate system
+1.Rebates are a bonus, so however Rivendell want to do them is OK with me. I won't be paying attention. On Wednesday, February 1, 2012 12:52:25 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: I liked the old system better, but don't really care much. I'll just ignore the rebate situation and order stuff when I need it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/L3dpI3IXjNkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: QB Bottom Bracket
I think mine came with a 107mm. If you're using the QB crank though, the 32t ring is going to be real close to the chainstay. real close. Hasn't been a problem for me though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/jS-4yhiSgkEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Is the San Marcos a true Rivendell?
As far as I know Grant Petersen designed every aspect of it, so it should have similar ride quality to a Hillborne.It's just a slightly lighter, more road oriented version that takes smaller tires. You can get them directly from Rivendell or from Soma but they'd probably build them with different parts if you bought it complete. -Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/RUjz3XtRiPAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
I went to college in a town called Amherst- as awful a name, due to its history, as any word or name that has been appropriated from Native American language.But it's just a name, and better that it be used and not forgotten by the general public than otherwise. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/EB-RYCU2KmoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: (What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love, and Understanding?
You may have misread Bill's post (or maybe I am misreading it).I don't think anyone was suggesting riding in the center of the road. However, 'taking the lane', or moving away from the shoulder to discourage motor traffic from trying to 'squeeze past' when it is not safe to do so (road is too narrow, oncoming traffic, debris in the shoulder, etc) is a well documented strategy for riding a bicycle safely on the roads. Sure it isn't gospel, and some disagree with this strategy- but to heck with anyone (police or whoever) who tells me not to use it- it has saved my ass many times, whereas obsequiously hugging the shoulder has proven hazardous (in my experience). Safe travels -Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/lFGV3WPV7mAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: (What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love, and Understanding?
WTF is that supposed to mean!? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/zyW0UyIjRoMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam vs SimpleOne
You could use an old 120mm 5-speed, which can still be found. On Tuesday, January 3, 2012 10:39:40 PM UTC-5, Allan in Portland wrote: IIRC, the rear spacing is 120mm. I suppose one could spring it to 126 to fit an old 5 or 6 speed, but I'm not sure that still qualifies as easily. Regards, -Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/8jd1s45p7IkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?
I am not interested in fenders or tires larger than 28, nor am I interested (for the purposes of this discussion) in fineness of joinery or cosmetic details. Just fit (or potential for fit) and, above all, handling. In that case you should just get early 80's Centurion LeMans, Raliegh Comp., Nishiki International, Panasonic, or similar for like half what you will pay for the RB1. Great bikes. There are plenty of bikes just as good if not better than an RB1 in the above respects, without the RB1's attendant cache price tag (which is in no small part due to the subsequent success of Rivendell). Not to downplay Bridgestone- cool catalogs, innovative ideas (but the RB1 was not one of them). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/f1zlYf7t3VMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Half-step + granny gearing...
I used to have a half-step+granny gearing on my Sequoia (but went to a touring triple now).I use an 8-speed in the back with the DO spacing spread to 130. I have to agree that with an 8-speed, you definitely *do not* need the half-step/granny setup. To really leverage half-step gearing you're just going to be shifting almost twice as often and would have to be really, really finicky about cadence. Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/PcI48JmcppAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Anyone Regret Selling a Bike?
When I was a kid my dad auctioned off my yellow motobike at the Lion's Club auction one summer without telling me. I don't have any hard feelings over it, but I do miss that bike - I rode that thing everywhere and it is the reason I love riding bikes today. The thing about the Quickbeam is that it might not be easy to replace. Especially since the Simple One seems to be going away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/fAJ5bDzfmgkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Can I rant just a minute?
I can only imagine the bikes in question (so I'm just going on pure assumption here) but my theory is this: weight comes up so often because on certain modern plastic bikes, it is the only redeeming quality left to praise. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/3ZiswP8vJpgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] All American Roadeo
It would be cool to see Paul, or any of the other US makes for that matter, making derailleurs again.I'm sure they'd make your wallet ache something fierce but dang it would be cool. I think it will happen someday. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/SQWx1o3azeMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: All American Roadeo
It seems the point is to buy from extant US manufacturers when possible, but to try to find vintage US-made stuff otherwise. On Thursday, December 22, 2011 1:00:04 PM UTC-5, Kevin M wrote: I'm not sure how buying NIB or NOS items off ebay actually helps US manufacturers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/IfCFcoYbIrYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Winter Studded Tires Clearance question
One more vote for 35's-added snow clearance is good, but also, I find that if you go too fat you can get a floating effect on fresh snow. Especially at anything over 10mph. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kqtiuyim10MJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 3 pictures of my beautiful Redwood
NICE!Couple questions: What color is that-it looks like the original Redwood color but I am not sure. Also, what size tires are those?Bike looks great with them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/LQIDZij9Wl8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Selle Saddle Sale
These saddles are great. I have a no-slot model- well made, made in the US, super comfy. what more could you ask! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ExlgT13bwCQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: updated geometry chart
On Friday, December 2, 2011 9:33:39 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote: Is the chart up to date accurate though? When I inquired about a 62cm. Hunq frame, I was informed the TT was more like 64 or 64.5cm , I can't remember which. That would change some other dimensions as well. The chart shows the original specs, but nothing new as far as I can tell. I think the actual TT on the 58 is ~61cm which makes the theoretical TT about 63cm, and the actual TT on the 62 is ~63cm and the theoretical TT is about 65. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/COb7-RWyGZ4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Rivideo. DD paint
+1.The seat-tube sticker is a b.Getting the back to line up decently ain't easy. This whole video is pretty awe inspiring though- a top craftsman at work. On Wednesday, November 23, 2011 2:51:53 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: The most fascinating part for me was the decal placement. It takes a lot of nerve to say yeah, that looks right that quickly. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/9xc40NXzNpwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] dropping roadies feels so good.
It's been said that a bicycle without fenders is just a toy.To me that's a little extreme, but makes a good point if the bicycle lives in an area that gets more than, say, 35 inches of rain per year. However in my opinion it's not too extreme to say the same thing about provision for carrying cargo, however small (and not just water bottles). NOT that there's anything wrong with toys(!)- but I think bicycles deserve a better purpose at least once in their lifetimes. On Monday, November 21, 2011 10:15:03 AM UTC-5, James Warren wrote: They're not. I know stubborn people who stop just short of telling me that they wouldn't be caught dead ever attaching anything resembling a bag to their bike. It means that the kinds of rides I like to do (overnighters) are never an option for us planning group events. -Jim W. On Nov 21, 2011, at 6:53 AM, René Sterental wrote: I'd like to see them pulling/pushing my heft and see if they'd even be riding... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/jFDCMl-oXyEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stolen Hillborne: Chicago
Aw man, so sorry to hear about that! I hope you get your bike back. Do you by any chance have the serial # written down anywhere? It might be helpful in recovering it, especially if it shows up for sale somewhere. -Matt PS Also you might want to be all over craigslist for a whilehttp://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/11/colorado-woman-spots-stolen-bike-on-craigslist-steals-it-back/ . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/jAV6DoRxCHAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Serial Number Database
This is pretty neat.Hats off to RBW for providing this service. really cool thing to do. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/YFbXzPhox0gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Serial Number Database
Dave, Great work on this thing, thanks for continuing to awesomize the website. Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NEJrI_gJK2IJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Why I Aspire
Good bikes look better with age http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsargent/3371199870/in/faves-43029278@N07/#/photos/robsargent/3371199870/in/faves-43029278@N07/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/collectvelo/4428254190/in/faves-43029278@N07/#/photos/collectvelo/4428254190/in/faves-43029278@N07/lightbox/ Not saying a repaint now and then isn't warranted, but a good patina can be like a badge of honor on a bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/e89V82yOpnAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Cycling Wear!
Wool longjohns for the legs, works pretty good. It's kind of like dressing for some cross country skiing- you don't don't need super heavy insulation, except maybe on extremities (hands, feet, etc). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ENqjP2kowgMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Next generation Bombadil
Just browsing through Flickr photos and came across this beast! http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6162/6184561746_7ee36e200c_b.jpg This, my friends, has what you could call a nice large tire-to-frame-tubes ratio. 8 tires with room for fenders. Dang! Note that, in testing, these tires actually proved to be *faster* than 700x25c's on average.Analysis of results seemed to point to the the 'supple sidewalls' on these bad boys. Just had to share :) -Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/jOG9_9JtVO8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: OMG, a Kiddie Rivvy!
Lugged BMX!:) Seriously this bike looks awesome. Regarding the market for kids bikes, many boys (and some precocious/daring young girls) do actually want BMX bikes*, which are usuallyhttp://www.wethepeoplebmx.de/bikes/trust CrMo http://www.sundaybikes.com/catalog/completes/, except for the expensive racing ones.They are simple and do not capture the rivendell aesthetic- no gears, no racks, etc- but tons of fun and an excellent introduction to riding without gadgets (not that racks/gears are gadgets). -Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/PeHb3J7IpkQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Winter Cycling Wear!
I wear wool socks, wool mittens, wool watch cap, and when it really gets cold (less than 20F) a wool balaclava and ski-goggles.A regular jacket does the trick for keeping my body warm, since my core temperature is never a problem when I'm either riding or pushing the bike through snow. Also- not clothing obviously- but studded tires are a central part of my winter ensemble. -Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/QXXgpFVIBCUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Nitto Mini Rack and Riv All Rounder fork
Hard to tell from the photo, but it looks like you might be able to straighten the support struts and it would reach. FWIW I have bent/straightened/re-bent a Nitto rack in the past to conform/fit to various bikes, with no issues. -Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7b8f8GmhCqMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Winter Cycling Wear!
Hmm I dunno. It's a slippery slope til one day you wake up wearing a Schwalbe 'Marathon Winter' codpiece (we've all been there!). -Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/IHQFnJCSx3oJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Riv-riding motorcyclists?
car = cage :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/UrTGglErTjsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
