date:20130801

Just in case anybody is interested, here is a video of the Velostatt bike 
shop in Berne http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtOFo02-PQM.

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:54:27 PM UTC+2, SMP wrote:

 Nice!

 Guess that makes 3 of us :)


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[RBW] Re: Zurich bike shop recos?

2013-08-01 Thread Michael Hechmer

If your in Berne visiting the Einstein Museum is a must, fabulous.  It's 
the entire third floor of the Historical Museum.
Michael

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 6:40:47 PM UTC-4, Tom Harrop wrote:

 Well. I have wondered if the lady-friend and I are the only Riv owners on 
 the continent. Glad to hear there are others!

 Tom
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[RBW] Re: Zurich bike shop recos?

I was only there for about an hour to see Velostatt and walk around a bit, 
but my train stops in Berne on my way to work just about every day. 
 Perhaps on another evening I'll have to check it out.  Thanks for the 
recommendation!

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 2:02:18 PM UTC+2, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 If your in Berne visiting the Einstein Museum is a must, fabulous.  It's 
 the entire third floor of the Historical Museum.
 Michael

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 Well. I have wondered if the lady-friend and I are the only Riv owners on 
 the continent. Glad to hear there are others!

 Tom
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Re: [RBW] Gotham Cargo Crate

Oh no, I just posted a long reply with some clever easy on/off mounting
options, but the post got deleted. Can anyone find it in their inbox?

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:26:12 AM UTC+2, joe b. wrote:

Sorry, I missed the part about mounting to a front rack and understand
wanting to keep the clamps off the bars. That dropout is spectacular. Lip
free or die. Good luck!

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:28 PM, SMP sum...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:

@Peter - thanks for the tips. I am not so handy, and I live in Zurich,
the most expensive city in the world ... so multiply all of those figures
by 2.5 and you'll be back at almost 90, shipped ;)

@Joe - Thanks for the info. I think I have some Wald basket hardware
lying around, but I have been averse to mounting anything on my handlebars
as I like to keep it clean. This is also why I was wondering if I should
instead put the basket on a rack. Also, not sure if my fork has lawyer
lips... doesn't look like
ithttp://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/5594285268/in/set-72157626345789636/
.

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:07:28 AM UTC+2, joe b. wrote:

SMP,

The crates are gorgeous, but the rear attachment with flat stock to the
fork crown does not look up to the task. If you go this route, I'd suggest
picking up some of the Wald basket hardware that will attach the rear of
the crate to your bars for stability. It also looks (like the Wald) like
it's designed to mount to the front axle. This is best done with nutted
axles, but you should be OK with good steel, internal cam quick release
skewers. Just watch that the strut doesn't hang up on the lawyer lips (the
little bumps that keep your front wheel from falling out as easily,
assuming your fork has them). The whole set up could be made pretty quick
to take off--just two bolts (or wingnuts?) at the bars and the front axle.
All that would stay on the bike would be the two Wald handlebar clamps.

If you get it, feel free to ask the group for help dialing in the
install. They're an ingenious bunch!

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

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Hello Bunch,

I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is the
autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front basket/crate
by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com.

Here is a photo of my Riv
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not

very recent). Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream tires
(this is already a part of the upgrade plan).

My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would you
recommend? Click here for color
optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/.
I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver. If I do Natural,
though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey saddle
and amber shellacked cork grips. (Silly question - Can I use shellac on
wood or only varnish?)

My next question is, is there a way to mount this in an easy-on/easy
off method on either a big nitto front rack or the smaller mark's rack?
Maybe using retractable zip ties or a klickfix solution? I want to have
the versatility to have it on most of the time for my inner city use, but
from time to time on long rides, have the option to go crate-free.

My last question is, is this a terrible idea?

Thanks and looking forward to your feedback.

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Re: [RBW] FS: Kalloy Seatpost, Rivendell Hat, VO Bottom Bracket, Dia Compe Downtube Shifters

2013-08-01 Thread Johnny Alien

Shifters and cap are gone. The seatpost and bottom bracket are still available. 

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[RBW] Re: s240 Mt Tam (Paging Mike Allen)

2013-08-01 Thread allenmichael

Manny,
Sounds fantastic. Where should we meet up? I'll be leaving from near 
downtown SF, Powell Bart area. Should I meet you down on the Embarcadero. 
Will you be pedi-cabbing that day?

Michael Allen

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:41:50 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 During the Rumble Mike and I talked about doing an overnighter up Mt.Tam. 
 I'm pretty sure theres campsites up there. I think we picked the date of 
 Aug 5. 
 Hopefully Mike sees this and confirms.
 Hope ya'll can make it.

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Re: [RBW] s240 Mt Tam (Paging Mike Allen)

2013-08-01 Thread Dan McNamara

I might be able to do that. Need to see about being late to work on Tuesday. 
Would need to meet up in Marin somewhere on Monday. 

Dan

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 During the Rumble Mike and I talked about doing an overnighter up Mt.Tam. I'm 
 pretty sure theres campsites up there. I think we picked the date of Aug 5. 
 Hopefully Mike sees this and confirms.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

2013-08-01 Thread James Warren

The following frames do not have expanded geometry: Atlantis, AHH, Roadeo.

The following do: Hillborne, Hunqapillar, Bombadil, San Marcos, Betty Foy

The expanded ones are identified in the chart by their 6 degree toptube slope 
(if they have a TT.) Any in that category should be showing just effective TT 
length. If the Hunqapillar is not showing the true effective TT number, then 
either geometry was changed without notice (since it is subject to that), there 
is a misprint, or there is some other error.

Matt, how do you know that the Hunqapillar's listed length is not the real 
effective TT? Did you measure one? I've never done that on a sloping frame. I 
guess that would be simple to do. Just curious, how did you do it? (I might try 
a rigid meter stick held horizontal and a bubble level on top of the stick, 
with the stick's zero positioned at the seat post center.)

-Jim W.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 1, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Matt Beebe matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's not actually clear which frames on the current geometry chart show the 
 effective rather than actual TT lengths. I know for example that the 
 Hunqapillar TT lengths listed are definitely not effective length though, I 
 don't even think they are actual length.
 
 Matt
 
 
 
 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:18 AM UTC-4, James Warren wrote:
 To David Craig's question: no, for Atlantis and AHH, the TT listings are 
 actual, not effective. So with those two, the effective TT is a bit longer, 
 but the effect is relatively small due to low angles. 
 
 But yes it's true that the expanded frames (6 degree upslope ones) only list 
 the effective TT, not actual. 
 
 If you like geometry and trigonometry, I figured our how to calculate 
 effective TT length. If you're interested, send me a private message. 
 
 -Jim W. 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
 On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:23 PM, David Craig neritic...@gmail.com wrote: 
 
  Point taken, Matt. 
  
  On the topic of tt's, I seem to recall reading in something from RBW that 
  they list only the effective tt on the geometry charts. Is that true? If 
  so, does it apply to the Atlantis as well as the bikes with more angle to 
  the tt (Hilborne).? 
  
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[RBW] Re: s240 Mt Tam (Paging Mike Allen)

2013-08-01 Thread William

Being an East Bay guy, I'm thinking about doing it *because *of the BART 
strike.  How will you SF or Marin folks swing it in *spite of* a BART 
strike?  

Ferry!?  That would be epic.  I've taken a Ferry S24O

LINK TO PROOF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqgpPRaV6qo

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:02:19 AM UTC-7, allenmichael wrote:

 Manny,
 Sounds fantastic. Where should we meet up? I'll be leaving from near 
 downtown SF, Powell Bart area. Should I meet you down on the Embarcadero. 
 Will you be pedi-cabbing that day?

 Michael Allen

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:41:50 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 During the Rumble Mike and I talked about doing an overnighter up Mt.Tam. 
 I'm pretty sure theres campsites up there. I think we picked the date of 
 Aug 5. 
 Hopefully Mike sees this and confirms.
 Hope ya'll can make it.

 -Manny



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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Marc Irwin

It's not a crazy idea. I have been involved in similar plans before. It
is really important to establish a date and place early and, as was
mentioned geography can make a difference. FYI the Geographical Center of
the Conterminous
Stateshttps://www.google.com/maps/preview?hl=en#!q=Geographic+Center+of+the+Conterminous%E2%80%A6data=!1m4!1m3!1d261933!2d-98.3272877!3d39.9730304!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x0%3A0xde5763fad96b22b3!3m8!1m3!1d261933!2d-98.3272877!3d39.9730304!3m2!1i819!2i514!4f13.1!4m2!3d39.8283134!4d-98.5796356is
a park near Smith Center KS almost equidistant from Omaha, Kansas City
and Denver.

Marc

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Do you think we could do it? Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a
year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer
to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their
bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's
local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and
ride and sit around a campfire. I used to do this kind of thing back in my
motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a
year or two. Whatcha'll think?

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Re: [RBW] Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

If we are serious, we should have a procedure like this:

People bid by offering their area at a certain time, so for example,
someone might bid Juneau, Alaska on the December 27-29, 2012.

A bid in this case should be interpreted as volunteering to do the
local organization, such as it is, which in our case would be
reserving campsites and preparing some suggested routes.

Then everyone who cares about this would vote (lobbying and
campaigning allowed, of course), and the winning selection would win.
And the winning bidder would reserve campsites.

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 Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a
 year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer
 to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their
 bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's
 local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and
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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Liesl

good to see some excitement!  My guess is that just about anywhere besides 
our own respective home states would involve some sort of 
driving/flying/training--so as long as it's near a major airport, etc, 
location actually is less critical than one might think.  That said, 
location has to have a critical mass of local organizers.  It might be, 
given some folks are jazzed, that we let this thread go long enough to 
gather ideas, have committee members (and please oh please come up with 
an alternate term because that sounds way too much like work) and then move 
to an off-list group that takes it further and reports back with updates.

Seems July 13-14, 2014 is in contention.  One question could be for those 
interested:  early summer, mid summer, late summer?  I'm guessing we might 
not have a lot of folks (for example, teachers) going for fall?

Seems Bellingham and Colorado Springs are in contention. I would also think 
that Bay Area—perhaps Marin?—could be a contender.  Would be great to have 
as many Riv staff there as want to be there but not be a time or financial 
burden on them (cause I think of them more as guests of honor)

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[RBW] Perspective

2013-08-01 Thread LeahFoy

I promised my little boys a bike ride in the cooler hours of a hot Nevada day. 
My 7 yr old is SO proud of his new Specialized Hotrock in 24 in. wheels. It's 
candy apple red and has been outfitted with a bell and kickstand. Come fall, I 
will put on a rack. My 4 yr old (rides two wheels) is equally delighted with 
his Specialized Hotrock in 16 in. (he has bell and kickstand too, which he 
brags about to strangers).The older exclaimed, I have the best bike EVER! as 
he shot out of the driveway. The younger, hot on his heels, yelled, And my 
Hotrock is the best bike ever TOOO! 

They turned back and said, Mom, it's so sad that you don't have a Hotrock, 
too. 

I said, Yes, boys, Mommy just has to suffer with this Rivendell. You enjoy 
your Hotrocks.

 Poor Mommy

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

2013-08-01 Thread Matt Beebe

Hi Jim, I measured a 58 and and a 62, though my measurements may have been 
off by half a centimeter give or take.The 58 seems to have a 61cm 
actual TT length, and the 62 has a 63cm actual TT length.Doing some 
trigonometry the 58 Hunq has about a 63cm effective TT and the 62 has about 
a 65cm ETT.   

Also there is a post here (
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/Z-4DozId6xI/9kcJ95rY5F0J) 
where William confirmed with Keven that the numbers had changed after the 
chart was made.

Matt



On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:22:50 AM UTC-4, James Warren wrote:

 The following frames do not have expanded geometry: Atlantis, AHH, Roadeo.

 The following do: Hillborne, Hunqapillar, Bombadil, San Marcos, Betty Foy

 The expanded ones are identified in the chart by their 6 degree toptube 
 slope (if they have a TT.) Any in that category should be showing just 
 effective TT length. If the Hunqapillar is not showing the true effective 
 TT number, then either geometry was changed without notice (since it is 
 subject to that), there is a misprint, or there is some other error.

 Matt, how do you know that the Hunqapillar's listed length is not the real 
 effective TT? Did you measure one? I've never done that on a sloping frame. 
 I guess that would be simple to do. Just curious, how did you do it? (I 
 might try a rigid meter stick held horizontal and a bubble level on top of 
 the stick, with the stick's zero positioned at the seat post center.)

 -Jim W.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 1, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Matt Beebe matthi...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 It's not actually clear which frames on the current geometry chart show 
 the effective rather than actual TT lengths. I know for example that 
 the Hunqapillar TT lengths listed are definitely not effective length 
 though, I don't even think they are actual length.

 Matt



 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:18 AM UTC-4, James Warren wrote:

 To David Craig's question: no, for Atlantis and AHH, the TT listings are 
 actual, not effective. So with those two, the effective TT is a bit longer, 
 but the effect is relatively small due to low angles. 

 But yes it's true that the expanded frames (6 degree upslope ones) only 
 list the effective TT, not actual. 

 If you like geometry and trigonometry, I figured our how to calculate 
 effective TT length. If you're interested, send me a private message. 

 -Jim W. 


 Sent from my iPhone 

 On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:23 PM, David Craig neritic...@gmail.com wrote: 

  Point taken, Matt. 
  
  On the topic of tt's, I seem to recall reading in something from RBW 
 that they list only the effective tt on the geometry charts. Is that true? 
 If so, does it apply to the Atlantis as well as the bikes with more angle 
 to the tt (Hilborne).? 
  
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Re: [RBW] Perspective

2013-08-01 Thread Lyle Bogart

:-)

that is just awesome. . .

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On 1 August 2013 11:07, LeahFoy jonasandle...@gmail.com wrote:

 I promised my little boys a bike ride in the cooler hours of a hot Nevada
 day. My 7 yr old is SO proud of his new Specialized Hotrock in 24 in.
 wheels. It's candy apple red and has been outfitted with a bell and
 kickstand. Come fall, I will put on a rack. My 4 yr old (rides two wheels)
 is equally delighted with his Specialized Hotrock in 16 in. (he has bell
 and kickstand too, which he brags about to strangers).The older exclaimed,
 I have the best bike EVER! as he shot out of the driveway. The younger,
 hot on his heels, yelled, And my Hotrock is the best bike ever TOOO!

 They turned back and said, Mom, it's so sad that you don't have a
 Hotrock, too.

 I said, Yes, boys, Mommy just has to suffer with this Rivendell. You
 enjoy your Hotrocks.

  Poor Mommy

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Re: [RBW] Gotham Cargo Crate

2013-08-01 Thread Ron Mc

I agree with every sentiment above - they look cool, the hardware is neat,
but the $90 needs to be strongly considered. A Wald basket is a better
buy, but not near as cool. But then again, a Nitto mini rack and a front
bag adds up to a lot more than $90. I could share your dilemma and
temptation. Thanks for showing these.

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:44:15 AM UTC-5, SMP wrote:

Oh no, I just posted a long reply with some clever easy on/off mounting
options, but the post got deleted. Can anyone find it in their inbox?

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:26:12 AM UTC+2, joe b. wrote:

Sorry, I missed the part about mounting to a front rack and understand
wanting to keep the clamps off the bars. That dropout is spectacular. Lip
free or die. Good luck!

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:28 PM, SMP sum...@gmail.com wrote:

@Peter - thanks for the tips. I am not so handy, and I live in Zurich,
the most expensive city in the world ... so multiply all of those figures
by 2.5 and you'll be back at almost 90, shipped ;)

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:07:28 AM UTC+2, joe b. wrote:

SMP,

If you get it, feel free to ask the group for help dialing in the
install. They're an ingenious bunch!

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, SMP sum...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Bunch,

I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is the
autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front basket/crate
by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com.

Here is a photo of my Riv
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not

very recent). Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream tires
(this is already a part of the upgrade plan).

My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would
you recommend? Click here for color
optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/.
I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver. If I do Natural,
though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey saddle
and amber shellacked cork grips. (Silly question - Can I use shellac on
wood or only varnish?)

My last question is, is this a terrible idea?

Thanks and looking forward to your feedback.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

2013-08-01 Thread Shaun Meehan

I've got a 64cm LHT that replaced a 68cm Atlantis. There is probably 1 or 2
more cm of seatpost showing on the Trucker but I feel more comfortable on
it. With spacers on the steerer the vertical relationship beween the saddle
and the bars is the same as on the Atlantis (bars slightly higher than
saddle). I sized the Atlantis based on PBH, as RBW recommends, and the top
tube always felt too long on the bike.

Shaun Meehan

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Hi Jim, I measured a 58 and and a 62, though my measurements may have been
off by half a centimeter give or take.The 58 seems to have a 61cm
actual TT length, and the 62 has a 63cm actual TT length.Doing some
trigonometry the 58 Hunq has about a 63cm effective TT and the 62 has about
a 65cm ETT.

Also there is a post here (
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/Z-4DozId6xI/9kcJ95rY5F0J)
where William confirmed with Keven that the numbers had changed after the
chart was made.

Matt

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:22:50 AM UTC-4, James Warren wrote:

The following frames do not have expanded geometry: Atlantis, AHH, Roadeo.

The following do: Hillborne, Hunqapillar, Bombadil, San Marcos, Betty Foy

The expanded ones are identified in the chart by their 6 degree toptube
slope (if they have a TT.) Any in that category should be showing just
effective TT length. If the Hunqapillar is not showing the true effective
TT number, then either geometry was changed without notice (since it is
subject to that), there is a misprint, or there is some other error.

Matt, how do you know that the Hunqapillar's listed length is not the
real effective TT? Did you measure one? I've never done that on a sloping
frame. I guess that would be simple to do. Just curious, how did you do it?
(I might try a rigid meter stick held horizontal and a bubble level on top
of the stick, with the stick's zero positioned at the seat post center.)

-Jim W.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 1, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Matt Beebe matthi...@gmail.com wrote:

It's not actually clear which frames on the current geometry chart show
the effective rather than actual TT lengths. I know for example that
the Hunqapillar TT lengths listed are definitely not effective length
though, I don't even think they are actual length.

Matt

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:18 AM UTC-4, James Warren wrote:

To David Craig's question: no, for Atlantis and AHH, the TT listings are
actual, not effective. So with those two, the effective TT is a bit longer,
but the effect is relatively small due to low angles.

But yes it's true that the expanded frames (6 degree upslope ones) only
list the effective TT, not actual.

If you like geometry and trigonometry, I figured our how to calculate
effective TT length. If you're interested, send me a private message.

-Jim W.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:23 PM, David Craig neritic...@gmail.com wrote:

Point taken, Matt.

On the topic of tt's, I seem to recall reading in something from RBW
that they list only the effective tt on the geometry charts. Is that true?
If so, does it apply to the Atlantis as well as the bikes with more angle
to the tt (Hilborne).?

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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread allenmichael

I would be an especially poor organizer, but I would love to participate. 
bidding system seems like a good idea but we should settle on a date and 
location early while the idea has some momentum. 

Michael Allen

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a 
 year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer 
 to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their 
 bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's 
 local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and 
 ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of thing back in my 
 motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a 
 year or two.  Whatcha'll think?


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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread iamkeith

 
Oh!  I like this idea.  Either Bellingham or Colorado Springs both work 
well for me  (As well as any two places I could think of, actually.  East 
coast would be pretty difficult.)   A couple of suggestions:
 
1.  Plans/itineraries, if this actually happens,  should be firmed up by 
early- to mid-winter  (ie.: Feb 1),  in order for people to plan vacation 
time around it.   That's partly just the reality for us working stiffs, but 
also is the time when many other events and activities (like organized bike 
tours and permitted rivers) hold their lotteries or have their entry 
deadlines for summer activities.   At some point, I'd have to choose one or 
the other.
 
2. I'd love it if some of the (presumed) activities/rides could be 
kid-friendly.  So longer rides or days might need SAG support.
 
3. It would be nice to do it where camping is an easy option, to keep costs 
down, but where there are hotel accommodations too, for those who prefer.  
Kind of dictates doing it in a smaller satellite community or rural 
area, where you wouldn't have to worry about locking your gear or bike all 
the time, either!
 
4.  For the above two reasons, a hub-and-spoke type ride-based event might 
be nice, to accommodate as many personalities and riding tastes as 
possible.  It sure doesn't need to be an endurance, count-the-miles sort of 
thing, like a regular bike tour, and not having to pack up every day would 
give us more opportunity to meet and mingle with each other.
 
5.  I think there should be a small entry fee, which could go to providing 
air fare to get Grant and possibly a couple other Riv employees there.   

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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Montclair BobbyB

I think it's a great idea.

Speaking from this person's perspective, the things (to me) that make for a 
good location for a rally:

- First and foremost, the allure of the location (in terms of adventure, 
natural beauty and rideability).  If it lacks grandeur, so will the ride 
(I'm afraid)  
- It's driveable (which we of course can't expect for a national rally)... 
some will obviously be able to drive; others will need to fly and ship 
bikes. But if we can somehow maximize attendance with the least amount of 
travel hassle, that's important
- A location with basic amenities (ie lodging/camping, 
restaurants/provisions, emergency services, etc.)
- Location is well suited to serve either as a hub (for out and back 
day-rides), or can accommodate point-to-point, self-supported travel (with 
provision for shuttle service IF necessary, or a route that loops on 
itself).  Logistics cannot be the weak point; one poorly coordinated 
shuttle pickup can ruin your whole day.
- It's great to have local help from someone who knows the area and who has 
connections to help out in a pinch.

I stand by the first rule... The location must be outstanding and offer 
adventure, beauty and rideability.  Let's kick around some ideas.

Peace,
Bobby 


On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:52:14 AM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 good to see some excitement!  My guess is that just about anywhere besides 
 our own respective home states would involve some sort of 
 driving/flying/training--so as long as it's near a major airport, etc, 
 location actually is less critical than one might think.  That said, 
 location has to have a critical mass of local organizers.  It might be, 
 given some folks are jazzed, that we let this thread go long enough to 
 gather ideas, have committee members (and please oh please come up with 
 an alternate term because that sounds way too much like work) and then move 
 to an off-list group that takes it further and reports back with updates.

 Seems July 13-14, 2014 is in contention.  One question could be for those 
 interested:  early summer, mid summer, late summer?  I'm guessing we might 
 not have a lot of folks (for example, teachers) going for fall?

 Seems Bellingham and Colorado Springs are in contention. I would also 
 think that Bay Area—perhaps Marin?—could be a contender.  Would be great to 
 have as many Riv staff there as want to be there but not be a time or 
 financial burden on them (cause I think of them more as guests of honor)



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Re: [RBW] s240 Mt Tam (Paging Mike Allen)

2013-08-01 Thread Manuel Acosta

Wow didn't think anyone would be interested. Well here would be the loose 
details.

Meet sometime in the afternoon at the Ferry Building, Pier 1. Maybe 11ish.

Ride up to Railroad grade to the top of the West Point Inn. Down to the 
Pantol Station where is first come first serve at the Pantol Campgrounds. 
If it's full or the site looks lame. We can drop down to Steep Ravine 
Campgrounds another first come first serve campgrounds. OR we could ride 
along the ridge somewhere and and Seatlh Camp on some flat ridge. 
Coastal View Trail looks to have a couple of flat sections. I'm down for 
whatever.

Ride back would take us through the Pelcian INN for some coffee before the 
dirt ride up to the Tennessee Valley then a screaming dirt trail back to 
the Bridge. 

Solid ride over all. I'm planning on working pedicab afterwords so I 
should get back to the city before 12ish. But it doesn't really matter to 
me.

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[RBW] Re: s240 Mt Tam (Paging Mike Allen)

2013-08-01 Thread allenmichael

I'm in. Details sound great. Pier 1 at 11 am.

Michael Allen

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:41:50 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 During the Rumble Mike and I talked about doing an overnighter up Mt.Tam. 
 I'm pretty sure theres campsites up there. I think we picked the date of 
 Aug 5. 
 Hopefully Mike sees this and confirms.
 Hope ya'll can make it.

 -Manny


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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Manuel Acosta

Bay Area is always a good place in the summer. What better place to have a 
Rivendell Jamboree then in the place where Rivendell Bicycle Works. I place 
my bid for China Camp beautiful campground that leaves the option of plenty 
of different level riding abilities for those not looking to go crazy. Take 
the ferry and ride super short or take the road and ride to the 
campgrounds. 
The morning afterwords there's prime dirt loops around the area. 
s for more official statement.
Manny's Bid.
China Camp, 101 Peacock Gap Trail, San Rafael, CA 94901
July 13-14 

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:52:14 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 good to see some excitement!  My guess is that just about anywhere besides 
 our own respective home states would involve some sort of 
 driving/flying/training--so as long as it's near a major airport, etc, 
 location actually is less critical than one might think.  That said, 
 location has to have a critical mass of local organizers.  It might be, 
 given some folks are jazzed, that we let this thread go long enough to 
 gather ideas, have committee members (and please oh please come up with 
 an alternate term because that sounds way too much like work) and then move 
 to an off-list group that takes it further and reports back with updates.

 Seems July 13-14, 2014 is in contention.  One question could be for those 
 interested:  early summer, mid summer, late summer?  I'm guessing we might 
 not have a lot of folks (for example, teachers) going for fall?

 Seems Bellingham and Colorado Springs are in contention. I would also 
 think that Bay Area—perhaps Marin?—could be a contender.  Would be great to 
 have as many Riv staff there as want to be there but not be a time or 
 financial burden on them (cause I think of them more as guests of honor)



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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree


On 08/01/2013 11:29 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

I think it's a great idea.

Speaking from this person's perspective, the things (to me) that make 
for a good location for a rally:


- First and foremost, the allure of the location (in terms of 
adventure, natural beauty and rideability).  If it lacks grandeur, so 
will the ride (I'm afraid)


Depends on what you mean by grandeur.   There's certainly nothing like 
the Grand Canyon or Niagra Falls (both high on the grandeur scale) in 
Salisbury MD, but the League Annual Rally in 1989 was one of the most 
successful bike rallies of all time, and the riding was so well regarded 
the Seagull Century kicked off shortly afterwards. I wouldn't consider 
the Great Allegheny Passage to be especially rich in scenic grandeur 
either, but it's one of the nicest places to tour that I know of.



- It's driveable (which we of course can't expect for a national 
rally)... some will obviously be able to drive; others will need to 
fly and ship bikes. But if we can somehow maximize attendance with the 
least amount of travel hassle, that's important
- A location with basic amenities (ie lodging/camping, 
restaurants/provisions, emergency services, etc.)


And note that lodging is NOT synonymous with camping.  For some, 
clearly camping is the way to go, but there are many others whose 
camping days are long since over.



- Location is well suited to serve either as a hub (for out and back 
day-rides), or can accommodate point-to-point, self-supported travel 
(with provision for shuttle service IF necessary, or a route that 
loops on itself).  Logistics cannot be the weak point; one poorly 
coordinated shuttle pickup can ruin your whole day.
- It's great to have local help from someone who knows the area and 
who has connections to help out in a pinch.


I stand by the first rule... The location must be outstanding and 
offer adventure, beauty and rideability.  Let's kick around some ideas.


And adventure doesn't necessarily mean you have a good chance of dying 
and being eaten by wolves.  We're not talking Rapha-style epic here.



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Re: [RBW] s240 Mt Tam (Paging Mike Allen)

So this is an adventure where we're not riding to the campground after
dark? If so, I'm IN.  But I have terrible night vision, so if we're
riding in the dark, I can't go. For me, riding in the dark on trails
is very much akin to riding with my eyes shut.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Manuel Acosta
manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Wow didn't think anyone would be interested. Well here would be the loose
 details.

 Meet sometime in the afternoon at the Ferry Building, Pier 1. Maybe 11ish.

 Ride up to Railroad grade to the top of the West Point Inn. Down to the
 Pantol Station where is first come first serve at the Pantol Campgrounds. If
 it's full or the site looks lame. We can drop down to Steep Ravine
 Campgrounds another first come first serve campgrounds. OR we could ride
 along the ridge somewhere and and Seatlh Camp on some flat ridge.
 Coastal View Trail looks to have a couple of flat sections. I'm down for
 whatever.

 Ride back would take us through the Pelcian INN for some coffee before the
 dirt ride up to the Tennessee Valley then a screaming dirt trail back to the
 Bridge.

 Solid ride over all. I'm planning on working pedicab afterwords so I
 should get back to the city before 12ish. But it doesn't really matter to
 me.

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[RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree

I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot
of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti
instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard
a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough
cushioning?

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:
 How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain,
 self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole
 route.



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Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Ryan

Oh...sorry that's not mine...haven't posted mine...that is Cyclotourist's 
bike:) He often posts here and is the owner of a very lovely pair of blue 
rivendells..an A/R and a Road.
 
Mine is Harvest Gold...have been swapping some things out and the 
Ciussis..which do work...may be replaced by those swoopy Iris cages
 
I'm riding an MS150 tour in Manitoba  in late August and taking my Riv 
Road...and I'll try and post some pictures. Cheers!
 
Sorry for the confusion
On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:53:23 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

 I'd already outfitted my bikes with V-O Moderniste, but the King cage is a 
 good deal.   
 Ryan, your bike is gorgeous - what is your saddle?  

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:08:18 PM UTC-5, Ryan wrote: 

 I have those Ciussi Elite aluminun cages w the plastic buttons. I think I 
 want something more grown-up (restrained and tasteful).
  
 I never really warmed to the $50.00+ Nitto cages...  totally 
 an exception, not the rule for Nitto. If Nitto ever made a complete group 
 ,I'd beg,borrow or steal to have it.
  
 But those Iris cages look smashing. I can see why you switched:
  
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/9325930580/in/pool-rivendell
  
 See the heart in the photo?
  
  
  

 On Monday, May 20, 2013 10:17:06 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hooray for Rivendell for carrying this great MUSA product. I've moved 
 from Nitto to King Iris cages on all my bikes over the last few years and 
 absolutely love them!

  Cheers,
 David



 On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.comwrote:

 On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 19:37 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
  And, from my experience with Nittos and VOs, the Kings are much
  sturdier and hold bottles better.

 Especially if you want to overload the cages with extremely large, heavy
 stainless steel bottles.  Also, the King Iris is by far the best cage
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Re: [RBW] s240 Mt Tam (Paging Mike Allen)

2013-08-01 Thread William

Duh, I missed the detail.  You said Tam, and I read Diablo.  I'm out. 
 Gotsta work

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:38:03 AM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Wow didn't think anyone would be interested. Well here would be the loose 
 details.

 Meet sometime in the afternoon at the Ferry Building, Pier 1. Maybe 11ish.

 Ride up to Railroad grade to the top of the West Point Inn. Down to the 
 Pantol Station where is first come first serve at the Pantol Campgrounds. 
 If it's full or the site looks lame. We can drop down to Steep Ravine 
 Campgrounds another first come first serve campgrounds. OR we could ride 
 along the ridge somewhere and and Seatlh Camp on some flat ridge. 
 Coastal View Trail looks to have a couple of flat sections. I'm down for 
 whatever.

 Ride back would take us through the Pelcian INN for some coffee before the 
 dirt ride up to the Tennessee Valley then a screaming dirt trail back to 
 the Bridge. 

 Solid ride over all. I'm planning on working pedicab afterwords so I 
 should get back to the city before 12ish. But it doesn't really matter to 
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[RBW] Bike Choice

2013-08-01 Thread LeahFoy

In reading the thread about bike fit, I was reminded about another closely 
related topic: choosing a bike. 

I was in the market  for a new bike, and after a lifetime of Target bikes, 
a REAL bike from an LBS seemed like a lofty goal. I hit the only LBS with a 
brand name I recognized - Trek. Though my money was as good as anyone 
else's, I was treated like a nuisance and not a paying customer. The guys 
in lycra with carbon drop-bar bikes were revered and respected as they 
clicked their way through the store. I was immediately steered to their 
basic 1.0 model of the comfort Navigator line in a remote corner of the 
store. They quoted me a price of several hundred dollars and left me to 
think it over. I left the shop feeling confused. I was willing to spend 
several hundred bucks but had only been given a curt introduction to the 
bike. I had no idea why they felt it was 'the' bike for me, and I wasn't 
even sure I liked how the bike felt. Was it really an improvement over my 
Target Schwinn? I hit Craigslist and found a Trek 7.6FX for sale. I bought 
it, and it was the nicest riding bike I'd ever had. But I was left with 
this nagging annoyance at being leaned forward with too much weight on my 
hands. i couldn't look up at the gorgeous bike path scenery. I was also 
very limited in my terrain, due to the skinny, high pressure tires on the 
bike. I had to tell my boys 'no' every time they asked to take a dirt road. 
I hit the internet, specifically a women's biking forum, who insisted that 
flat bars were horrid and drop bars were what I needed. I kept thinking 
(almost shamefully) that my upright bars on my old Target bike would be 
more comfortable, but I banished the thought because one isn't taken 
seriously when one prefers upright bars. The Specialized Ruby was being 
recommended over and over again. Its relaxed geometry and those comfortable 
drop bars were repeated like a mantra to me. I visited the Specialized LBS, 
who raved about the comfort of the Ruby. I wanted a bike that would pull a 
tag-along, and that I could put a rack on so I could haul stuff. People 
looked at me funny. They didn't know how any of that would jive with the 
bike. But they still sung the praises of the carbon Ruby. 

By now, I had gotten addicted to riding all over town to my son's school, 
on errands, and for pleasure. As the bike became more and more important to 
me, I got ready to make a purchase. I was THIS CLOSE to buying the carbon 
drop-bar bike because I believed the experts that this was a fantastic 
and comfortable bike that I would just LOVE. They knew what I wanted the 
bike for, and of my complaints of weight on hands, etc, and yet they 
arrived at this conclusion. They were totally ok with me shelling out 
almost 2k for a bike that would be ill-suited to my needs. 

One night I did an Amazon search of books on cycling. Grant Petersen's book 
lit up my screen. I saw a bike with upright bars on the cover. I saw lots 
of stars in the book reviews. I bought the book. Suddenly, the heavens 
opened and choirs of angels began to sing! He was talking about RACKS, and 
upright bars, and kickstands, and all manner of practical things that would 
aid me in using the bike around town! I went to his website, and as a lover 
of literature/writing myself, I was totally taken with him and his brand. I 
knew gold when I found it; and it was Rivendell.

Shortly after, I cut some household expenses, sold the Trek (for more than 
I bought it for, BTW), and asked Keven if he had a Betty for me. He found 
one, had it built within a week, and my family jumped in the van to make 
the 5 hour trek to Riv HQ. 

I love my bike. It's exactly what I needed, and even what I WANTED. It's 
pretty, it's useful, and it's reliable. I shudder when I think of the 
nightmare that would have been pulling a tag-along on a drop bar carbon 
Ruby. Maybe some of you do that, but it would have been all wrong for me. 
And the point of my story is that nobody in the LBS stores cared that it 
was. I was excruciatingly specific in what kind of cyclist I was, but they 
still recommended a bike that was ill-suited for me.

 I'm so glad I have my Rivendell Betty Foy. Anyone else have a similar 
story?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Michael Hechmer

I really like the way this is developing.  To me central has nothing to 
do with geography and everything to do with access.  From where I am in 
Vermont it's easier to get to Seattle than it is to Ashville, even though 
it's three times as far.  I like the idea of the PNW.

As much as I love the Bay area ( and have a son  granddaughter there) I 
think the Bay area crowd could also travel a bit.  Weakening cliques would 
be helpful. 

To pull this off the destination will need 4 or 5 people in the area who 
are willing to put some significant amount of work into it.

Lodging - getting a group rate at a local hotel or resort, prepared to deal 
with all the bikes, and a nearby campground would be ideal.  People like 
Adventure Cycling or a tour agent might be helpful in this regard.

I'm excited about the prospect of pulling this off.

Michael

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:49:12 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 08/01/2013 11:29 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: 
  I think it's a great idea. 
  
  Speaking from this person's perspective, the things (to me) that make 
  for a good location for a rally: 
  
  - First and foremost, the allure of the location (in terms of 
  adventure, natural beauty and rideability).  If it lacks grandeur, so 
  will the ride (I'm afraid) 

 Depends on what you mean by grandeur.   There's certainly nothing like 
 the Grand Canyon or Niagra Falls (both high on the grandeur scale) in 
 Salisbury MD, but the League Annual Rally in 1989 was one of the most 
 successful bike rallies of all time, and the riding was so well regarded 
 the Seagull Century kicked off shortly afterwards. I wouldn't consider 
 the Great Allegheny Passage to be especially rich in scenic grandeur 
 either, but it's one of the nicest places to tour that I know of. 


  - It's driveable (which we of course can't expect for a national 
  rally)... some will obviously be able to drive; others will need to 
  fly and ship bikes. But if we can somehow maximize attendance with the 
  least amount of travel hassle, that's important 
  - A location with basic amenities (ie lodging/camping, 
  restaurants/provisions, emergency services, etc.) 

 And note that lodging is NOT synonymous with camping.  For some, 
 clearly camping is the way to go, but there are many others whose 
 camping days are long since over. 


  - Location is well suited to serve either as a hub (for out and back 
  day-rides), or can accommodate point-to-point, self-supported travel 
  (with provision for shuttle service IF necessary, or a route that 
  loops on itself).  Logistics cannot be the weak point; one poorly 
  coordinated shuttle pickup can ruin your whole day. 
  - It's great to have local help from someone who knows the area and 
  who has connections to help out in a pinch. 
  
  I stand by the first rule... The location must be outstanding and 
  offer adventure, beauty and rideability.  Let's kick around some ideas. 

 And adventure doesn't necessarily mean you have a good chance of dying 
 and being eaten by wolves.  We're not talking Rapha-style epic here. 




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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Lyle Bogart

Anne,

I've been contemplating riding the Great Divide for a couple of years
now--time has been the big issue--but I will certainly ride either my
Atlantis or my Rawland Drakkar (set up very much like the Atlantis, but
fixed gear) when I do. I've extensively ridden both bikes over washboards
and singletrack in Arizona, Colorado and, to a lesser extent, Maine. With
high volume tires at fairly low pressure the Atlantis handles as well as
anything else I could imagine on such terrain. Go for it!

Cheers!

lyle




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 I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot
 of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti
 instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard
 a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough
 cushioning?

 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:
  How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain,
  self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole
  route.



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[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Mike Schiller

I'd love to ride the Great Divide. Not sure  you need suspension/discs but 
2 wide knobby tires would make it a lot more enjoyable.  The whole thing 
is a big chunk to bite off but a 1 week section could be really fun. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

I like the idea of the Pacific Northwest too. We've already heard from
Bellingham, but what about the Portland folks?

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
 I really like the way this is developing.  To me central has nothing to do
 with geography and everything to do with access.  From where I am in Vermont
 it's easier to get to Seattle than it is to Ashville, even though it's three
 times as far.  I like the idea of the PNW.

 As much as I love the Bay area ( and have a son  granddaughter there) I
 think the Bay area crowd could also travel a bit.  Weakening cliques would
 be helpful.

 To pull this off the destination will need 4 or 5 people in the area who are
 willing to put some significant amount of work into it.

 Lodging - getting a group rate at a local hotel or resort, prepared to deal
 with all the bikes, and a nearby campground would be ideal.  People like
 Adventure Cycling or a tour agent might be helpful in this regard.

 I'm excited about the prospect of pulling this off.

 Michael


 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:49:12 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 08/01/2013 11:29 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
  I think it's a great idea.
 
  Speaking from this person's perspective, the things (to me) that make
  for a good location for a rally:
 
  - First and foremost, the allure of the location (in terms of
  adventure, natural beauty and rideability).  If it lacks grandeur, so
  will the ride (I'm afraid)

 Depends on what you mean by grandeur.   There's certainly nothing like
 the Grand Canyon or Niagra Falls (both high on the grandeur scale) in
 Salisbury MD, but the League Annual Rally in 1989 was one of the most
 successful bike rallies of all time, and the riding was so well regarded
 the Seagull Century kicked off shortly afterwards. I wouldn't consider
 the Great Allegheny Passage to be especially rich in scenic grandeur
 either, but it's one of the nicest places to tour that I know of.


  - It's driveable (which we of course can't expect for a national
  rally)... some will obviously be able to drive; others will need to
  fly and ship bikes. But if we can somehow maximize attendance with the
  least amount of travel hassle, that's important
  - A location with basic amenities (ie lodging/camping,
  restaurants/provisions, emergency services, etc.)

 And note that lodging is NOT synonymous with camping.  For some,
 clearly camping is the way to go, but there are many others whose
 camping days are long since over.


  - Location is well suited to serve either as a hub (for out and back
  day-rides), or can accommodate point-to-point, self-supported travel
  (with provision for shuttle service IF necessary, or a route that
  loops on itself).  Logistics cannot be the weak point; one poorly
  coordinated shuttle pickup can ruin your whole day.
  - It's great to have local help from someone who knows the area and
  who has connections to help out in a pinch.
 
  I stand by the first rule... The location must be outstanding and
  offer adventure, beauty and rideability.  Let's kick around some ideas.

 And adventure doesn't necessarily mean you have a good chance of dying
 and being eaten by wolves.  We're not talking Rapha-style epic here.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Montclair BobbyB

You know, I should have anticipated a response from you, Steve :)

First, I did include rideability in my location criteria... I should 
probably have also included cultural/historical significance, too.  For 
example, the Great Allegheny Passage has the romance of old train lines, 
industrial revolution history and massive tunnels built through 
mountains... I'd call that scenic beauty, but to each his own.

For the record I did list lodging before camping... I love to camp, but 
equally enjoy a comfy bed in a charming inn,

And as for this nonsense of being eaten by wolves, they will always go 
after younger meat... you've got nothing to worry about :)

Peace,
BB 

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:49:12 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 08/01/2013 11:29 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: 
  I think it's a great idea. 
  
  Speaking from this person's perspective, the things (to me) that make 
  for a good location for a rally: 
  
  - First and foremost, the allure of the location (in terms of 
  adventure, natural beauty and rideability).  If it lacks grandeur, so 
  will the ride (I'm afraid) 

 Depends on what you mean by grandeur.   There's certainly nothing like 
 the Grand Canyon or Niagra Falls (both high on the grandeur scale) in 
 Salisbury MD, but the League Annual Rally in 1989 was one of the most 
 successful bike rallies of all time, and the riding was so well regarded 
 the Seagull Century kicked off shortly afterwards. I wouldn't consider 
 the Great Allegheny Passage to be especially rich in scenic grandeur 
 either, but it's one of the nicest places to tour that I know of. 


  - It's driveable (which we of course can't expect for a national 
  rally)... some will obviously be able to drive; others will need to 
  fly and ship bikes. But if we can somehow maximize attendance with the 
  least amount of travel hassle, that's important 
  - A location with basic amenities (ie lodging/camping, 
  restaurants/provisions, emergency services, etc.) 

 And note that lodging is NOT synonymous with camping.  For some, 
 clearly camping is the way to go, but there are many others whose 
 camping days are long since over. 


  - Location is well suited to serve either as a hub (for out and back 
  day-rides), or can accommodate point-to-point, self-supported travel 
  (with provision for shuttle service IF necessary, or a route that 
  loops on itself).  Logistics cannot be the weak point; one poorly 
  coordinated shuttle pickup can ruin your whole day. 
  - It's great to have local help from someone who knows the area and 
  who has connections to help out in a pinch. 
  
  I stand by the first rule... The location must be outstanding and 
  offer adventure, beauty and rideability.  Let's kick around some ideas. 

 And adventure doesn't necessarily mean you have a good chance of dying 
 and being eaten by wolves.  We're not talking Rapha-style epic here. 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree

Is a 2 knobby two inches including knobs? Or is a 2 knobby a 2 tire
and then knobs put on?

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 I'd love to ride the Great Divide. Not sure  you need suspension/discs but
 2 wide knobby tires would make it a lot more enjoyable.  The whole thing is
 a big chunk to bite off but a 1 week section could be really fun.

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[RBW] Re: Bike Choice

2013-08-01 Thread Zack

I have a good story - the same but different.

I got back into cycling as an adult when a friend gave me a 54 cm Trek 520 
touring bike.  I am 6'3.  The bike is great, but it was OBVIOUSLY too small 
for me.  I rode it anyway, used it for transportation, and loved it.  I 
decided I wanted to get a bike that fit better, so I headed to my LBS to 
find one.  I felt trepidation as well when I walked through the store.

Instead of being forced into a brand new carbon fiber racing machine (I am 
6'3 and a big dude), my local bike shop, The Old Spokes Home in 
Burlington, Vermont, helped me pick out a steel bike that would better suit 
my needs - a Salsa Casseroll.  I thank those dudes every time I go in for 
helping me onto that bike, because that is what got me to the place where I 
totally love riding.  I graduated from the Salsa to a Sam, and have a Hunq 
now too.

Just wanted to put a plug in and say that not all LBS experiences are bad, 
the fellows at the OSH pointed me on exactly the right trajectory for my 
life, riding style, and bike needs.

Also, welcome!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree


On 08/01/2013 12:44 PM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

You know, I should have anticipated a response from you, Steve :)

First, I did include rideability in my location criteria... I should 
probably have also included cultural/historical significance, too. 
 For example, the Great Allegheny Passage has the romance of old train 
lines, industrial revolution history and massive tunnels built through 
mountains... I'd call that scenic beauty, but to each his own.


Agreed, definitely scenic beauty, but perhaps not grandeur in the 
sense of the sublime.





For the record I did list lodging before camping... I love to camp, 
but equally enjoy a comfy bed in a charming inn,


I clarified that basically for the S24O, camping-obsessed Riv 
community.  Seems like camping is all you hear about on the RBW list, 
and some of us do not camp.




And as for this nonsense of being eaten by wolves, they will always go 
after younger meat... you've got nothing to worry about :)


Epic and adventure do not have to mean you're risking your life, as 
Rapha et al. would have you believe.  Again, a clarification aimed at 
others.   You do a very civilized event without the threat of being 
eaten by wolves or camping.


:-)



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Mike Schiller

a few mm isn't that big a deal if you are on something close. I'd choose 
the widest tire you can fit with room for mud. 

~mike

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:44:35 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

 Is a 2 knobby two inches including knobs? Or is a 2 knobby a 2 tire 
 and then knobs put on? 

 On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Mike Schiller 
 mikey...@rocketmail.comjavascript: 
 wrote: 
  I'd love to ride the Great Divide. Not sure  you need suspension/discs 
 but 
  2 wide knobby tires would make it a lot more enjoyable.  The whole 
 thing is 
  a big chunk to bite off but a 1 week section could be really fun. 
  
  ~mike 
  
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Peter Morgano

Agreed, I love a nice long ride but there had better be a shower and comfy
bed on the other side. Even as a boy scout I hated camping. I just don't
get the appeal but to each their own.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

On 08/01/2013 12:44 PM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

You know, I should have anticipated a response from you, Steve :)

First, I did include rideability in my location criteria... I should
probably have also included cultural/historical significance, too. For
example, the Great Allegheny Passage has the romance of old train lines,
industrial revolution history and massive tunnels built through
mountains... I'd call that scenic beauty, but to each his own.

Agreed, definitely scenic beauty, but perhaps not grandeur in the sense
of the sublime.

For the record I did list lodging before camping... I love to camp, but
equally enjoy a comfy bed in a charming inn,

I clarified that basically for the S24O, camping-obsessed Riv community.
Seems like camping is all you hear about on the RBW list, and some of us
do not camp.

And as for this nonsense of being eaten by wolves, they will always go
after younger meat... you've got nothing to worry about :)

Epic and adventure do not have to mean you're risking your life, as
Rapha et al. would have you believe. Again, a clarification aimed at
others. You do a very civilized event without the threat of being eaten
by wolves or camping.

:-)

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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

The transportation issue can be a bit daunting for those who've not 
traveled much with their bike.  However, there are several options:

1.  Fly  take your bike as checked luggage.  Most expensive; requires 
partial dis-assembly of the bike; hazards of baggage handlers.
2.  Fly  ship your bike via ground service.  Saves a few bucks, same 
issues with handlers.
3.  Drive  carry your bike.  Most convenient; a bit slow if going long 
distance.  
4.  Amtrak.
5.  Host the event:  no travel!

My touring buds  I have done a lot of combos of renting a van (mini up to 
7 bikes; cargo up to a dozen)  having a couple of people drive all the 
bikes  gear while everyone else flies in.  A mini will fit 4 people + 4 
bikes + gear but you need to be good friends.  A 15 passenger with back 
seats out can haul up to 8 people plus more bikes.  When you take the 
rental cost plus fuel  divide it out, it becomes affordable.  I have 
friends who hate flying  love driving, so they'll go long distances.  I'm 
happy to split the van cost  fly in to avoid a couple of long days in a 
box.  YMMV.

So please don't let distance or logistics dampen your enthusiasm for this 
event.  It can be done.  

dougP liking this idea even better now


On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:20:19 AM UTC-7, allenmichael wrote:

 I would be an especially poor organizer, but I would love to participate. 
 bidding system seems like a good idea but we should settle on a date and 
 location early while the idea has some momentum. 

 Michael Allen

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like 
 a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole 
 summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to 
 get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing 
 group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet 
 everyone and ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of 
 thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd 
 only see once a year or two.  Whatcha'll think?



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[RBW] Re: Bike Choice

LeahFoy:

Your experience with bike shops is one that repeats often.  For some reason 
we expect bike shop people to be above selling what's on the floor but 
alas, in many cases, it just ain't so.  Fortunately you found Rivendell.

I've mused on how much better the bike shop experience could be if the 
employees had just a bit of training in the sales process.  After all, if 
you walk into a clothing store to buy a suit, the sales person would be 
crazy to show you blue jeans.  Primarily this means asking the customer 
questions about what they want  how they intend to use it.  It's really 
quite simple but seems to have escaped a lot of retailers.  What are you 
riding now? and What changes are you looking for? and What type of 
riding do you do?, etc., etc. Instead you probably got a lot of This is 
our best selling bike... or This has the latest features or 
similar.  

The bike industry can be it's own worst enemy at times (heavy sigh).

dougP

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:27:08 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:

 In reading the thread about bike fit, I was reminded about another closely 
 related topic: choosing a bike. 

 I was in the market  for a new bike, and after a lifetime of Target bikes, 
 a REAL bike from an LBS seemed like a lofty goal. I hit the only LBS with a 
 brand name I recognized - Trek. Though my money was as good as anyone 
 else's, I was treated like a nuisance and not a paying customer. The guys 
 in lycra with carbon drop-bar bikes were revered and respected as they 
 clicked their way through the store. I was immediately steered to their 
 basic 1.0 model of the comfort Navigator line in a remote corner of the 
 store. They quoted me a price of several hundred dollars and left me to 
 think it over. I left the shop feeling confused. I was willing to spend 
 several hundred bucks but had only been given a curt introduction to the 
 bike. I had no idea why they felt it was 'the' bike for me, and I wasn't 
 even sure I liked how the bike felt. Was it really an improvement over my 
 Target Schwinn? I hit Craigslist and found a Trek 7.6FX for sale. I bought 
 it, and it was the nicest riding bike I'd ever had. But I was left with 
 this nagging annoyance at being leaned forward with too much weight on my 
 hands. i couldn't look up at the gorgeous bike path scenery. I was also 
 very limited in my terrain, due to the skinny, high pressure tires on the 
 bike. I had to tell my boys 'no' every time they asked to take a dirt road. 
 I hit the internet, specifically a women's biking forum, who insisted that 
 flat bars were horrid and drop bars were what I needed. I kept thinking 
 (almost shamefully) that my upright bars on my old Target bike would be 
 more comfortable, but I banished the thought because one isn't taken 
 seriously when one prefers upright bars. The Specialized Ruby was being 
 recommended over and over again. Its relaxed geometry and those comfortable 
 drop bars were repeated like a mantra to me. I visited the Specialized LBS, 
 who raved about the comfort of the Ruby. I wanted a bike that would pull a 
 tag-along, and that I could put a rack on so I could haul stuff. People 
 looked at me funny. They didn't know how any of that would jive with the 
 bike. But they still sung the praises of the carbon Ruby. 

 By now, I had gotten addicted to riding all over town to my son's school, 
 on errands, and for pleasure. As the bike became more and more important to 
 me, I got ready to make a purchase. I was THIS CLOSE to buying the carbon 
 drop-bar bike because I believed the experts that this was a fantastic 
 and comfortable bike that I would just LOVE. They knew what I wanted the 
 bike for, and of my complaints of weight on hands, etc, and yet they 
 arrived at this conclusion. They were totally ok with me shelling out 
 almost 2k for a bike that would be ill-suited to my needs. 

 One night I did an Amazon search of books on cycling. Grant Petersen's 
 book lit up my screen. I saw a bike with upright bars on the cover. I saw 
 lots of stars in the book reviews. I bought the book. Suddenly, the heavens 
 opened and choirs of angels began to sing! He was talking about RACKS, and 
 upright bars, and kickstands, and all manner of practical things that would 
 aid me in using the bike around town! I went to his website, and as a lover 
 of literature/writing myself, I was totally taken with him and his brand. I 
 knew gold when I found it; and it was Rivendell.

 Shortly after, I cut some household expenses, sold the Trek (for more than 
 I bought it for, BTW), and asked Keven if he had a Betty for me. He found 
 one, had it built within a week, and my family jumped in the van to make 
 the 5 hour trek to Riv HQ. 

 I love my bike. It's exactly what I needed, and even what I WANTED. It's 
 pretty, it's useful, and it's reliable. I shudder when I think of the 
 nightmare that would have been pulling a tag-along on a drop bar carbon 
 Ruby. Maybe some of you do that, but

[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Reid


On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:41:32 AM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Bay Area is always a good place in the summer. What better place to have a 
 Rivendell Jamboree then in the place where Rivendell Bicycle Works. I place 
 my bid for China Camp beautiful campground that leaves the option of plenty 
 of different level riding abilities for those not looking to go crazy. Take 
 the ferry and ride super short or take the road and ride to the 
 campgrounds. 
 The morning afterwords there's prime dirt loops around the area. 
 s for more official statement.
 Manny's Bid.
 China Camp, 101 Peacock Gap Trail, San Rafael, CA 94901
 July 13-14 

 
Yes! Here's my vote for Manny's Bid. And yes, this is somewhat self-serving 
as I also live in the Bay Area. Is that strengthening a clique? I like to 
see it as a direct challenge to the PNW people to get off their duffs and 
make a really strong, exciting bid/case for the PNW. Also self-serving, 
though as the PNW is about my favorite piece of the world.  :-)
 
Reid

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Choice

Doug, you're right, but also the employees in these offending bike
shops need to have a better idea of what kind of bike suits what kind
of riding, instead of steering everyone to racy carbon fiber bikes
with low handlebars and narrow tires. After all, LeahFoy clearly
explained what she wanted her bike for, and yet the salespeople still
tried to sell her a bike that was not at all appropriate to her kind
of riding.

I guess we're all bad at putting ourselves in the other person's
shoes, but sales people really ought to be able to get away from what
they value in a bike, and empathize with what the customer values in a
bike. And it would be nice if bike sales people would point out that
weight is not the only concern.

A person who wants to get started riding ought to be able to walk into
a bike shop, and come out with a nice low- or medium-level bike that
suits their fitness and their intended use.


 I've mused on how much better the bike shop experience could be if the
 employees had just a bit of training in the sales process.  After all, if
 you walk into a clothing store to buy a suit, the sales person would be
 crazy to show you blue jeans.  Primarily this means asking the customer
 questions about what they want  how they intend to use it.  It's really
 quite simple but seems to have escaped a lot of retailers.  What are you
 riding now? and What changes are you looking for? and What type of
 riding do you do?, etc., etc. Instead you probably got a lot of This is
 our best selling bike... or This has the latest features or similar.


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[RBW] Re: Perspective

Don't we always take better care of our kids than ourselves?  Your 
sacrifice is admirable :-).  

dougP

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:07:38 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:

 I promised my little boys a bike ride in the cooler hours of a hot Nevada 
 day. My 7 yr old is SO proud of his new Specialized Hotrock in 24 in. 
 wheels. It's candy apple red and has been outfitted with a bell and 
 kickstand. Come fall, I will put on a rack. My 4 yr old (rides two wheels) 
 is equally delighted with his Specialized Hotrock in 16 in. (he has bell 
 and kickstand too, which he brags about to strangers).The older exclaimed, 
 I have the best bike EVER! as he shot out of the driveway. The younger, 
 hot on his heels, yelled, And my Hotrock is the best bike ever TOOO! 

 They turned back and said, Mom, it's so sad that you don't have a 
 Hotrock, too. 

 I said, Yes, boys, Mommy just has to suffer with this Rivendell. You 
 enjoy your Hotrocks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

It sounds like some people want motel lodging.  If we go to China
Camp, where would those people stay, and how expensive would it be?
The Bay Area is a pricey area.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Reid reidp...@earthlink.net wrote:

 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:41:32 AM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Bay Area is always a good place in the summer. What better place to have a
 Rivendell Jamboree then in the place where Rivendell Bicycle Works. I place
 my bid for China Camp beautiful campground that leaves the option of plenty
 of different level riding abilities for those not looking to go crazy. Take
 the ferry and ride super short or take the road and ride to the campgrounds.
 The morning afterwords there's prime dirt loops around the area.
 s for more official statement.
 Manny's Bid.
 China Camp, 101 Peacock Gap Trail, San Rafael, CA 94901
 July 13-14


 Yes! Here's my vote for Manny's Bid. And yes, this is somewhat self-serving
 as I also live in the Bay Area. Is that strengthening a clique? I like to
 see it as a direct challenge to the PNW people to get off their duffs and
 make a really strong, exciting bid/case for the PNW. Also self-serving,
 though as the PNW is about my favorite piece of the world.  :-)

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[RBW] Re: s240 Mt Tam (Paging Mike Allen)

Shucks, I shoulda just come north with Jim last Sunday instead of coming 
home!  

dougP

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:41:14 AM UTC-7, allenmichael wrote:

 I'm in. Details sound great. Pier 1 at 11 am.

 Michael Allen

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:41:50 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 During the Rumble Mike and I talked about doing an overnighter up Mt.Tam. 
 I'm pretty sure theres campsites up there. I think we picked the date of 
 Aug 5. 
 Hopefully Mike sees this and confirms.
 Hope ya'll can make it.

 -Manny



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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Choice

2013-08-01 Thread Ron Mc

comfortable, useful, efficient, fast - I'm sorry, you'll have to pick one - 
we don't have a pigeonhole for that.  

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[RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Lynne Fitz

You buy the King cages when your VO cages break.  Like both of mine. 
 Although, if I could weld aluminum, or whatever it is you do, they could 
be repaired.

On Monday, May 20, 2013 6:08:56 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Finally  a nice wire cage that keeps bottles from falling out the side.
 Nitto-esque bottle cages at RBW on the cheap.
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

I've used the Nitto butterfly cages, the VO similars as well as the VO
retros, and the King Irises, and I've managed to break two Nittos and
(IIRC) one VO but never a King, even with almost 30 oz double wall steel
bottles (= long and heavy). The King's don't look as shiny but IMO they are
the best out there regardless of value, and this is true even more given
the price.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Lynne Fitz fitzb...@comcast.net wrote:

You buy the King cages when your VO cages break. Like both of mine.
Although, if I could weld aluminum, or whatever it is you do, they could
be repaired.

On Monday, May 20, 2013 6:08:56 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

Finally a nice wire cage that keeps bottles from falling out the side.
Nitto-esque bottle cages at RBW on the cheap.

http://www.rivbike.com/**product-p/wb7iris.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wb7iris.htm

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[RBW] WTT: Good condition 622X60 mm Liteskin Big Apples for lighter 700C knobbies

May also be willing to trade a pair of 622X35, folding Kojaks for same. The
BAs are almost new (may in fact be unused, but I got them second hand) and
the Kojaks have less than 1,000 miles.

I'm looking for sub 600 gram tires in a width of at least 45, best would be
55 mm. The whole point of the exercise is to trade some flat resistance and
width for something lighter, for gravel roads instead of sand. I've got a
pair of 55 mm Exiwolfs which aren't bad, but they too are heavier than I'd
like to try -- the whole point of this exercise is to see if narrrower and
lighter works better on gravel than fatter and heavier.

Tires would go onto 27 mm Sun Rhyo Lite rims.

Have other things to trade, too.

Wocher got?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Choice

2013-08-01 Thread LeahFoy

Also, there is a certain attitude one often encounters in some shops. My 
sister and her husband lived downtown in a big city when her husband was 
going through law school. He used a bicycle to get around, and one day, it 
needed some repair work. Heather took the bike in to the shop, and will 
never forget being made to feel so small. The employee looked down his nose 
at that silver Target Schwinn, and said, We can fix it, but you know 
there's only so much you can do to a bike like that. It won't ever ride as 
well as. and then droned on about the nicer bikes for sale in his 
shop. She was so upset because at that time, that was the best they could 
afford, and they weren't there to be told how crappy their bike was; they 
were there for a simple repair. 

When my boys were ready for upgrades on their little bikes, I started out 
back at the Trek store. (I asked Riv if they had a kids' bike to recommend, 
and they really didn't.) I wheeled the little 16 in Trek Jet to the counter 
and waited. There was one other customer in the whole store and 3-4 
employees working. I stood at that counter for almost 20 minutes. They 
joked with each other, and paid attention to the lycra-clad male customer 
in the store, but they ignored me, my 4 year old Lincoln and our little 
bike. I could have called someone over, but since I was standing in plain 
sight and knew they had seen me, I didn't. Finally, I slowly wheeled the 
little bike back and left the store. No one said a word to me. I drove 
straight to the Specialized store, where they greeted us warmly, and 
purchased the Lincoln's Hotrock for more money. 

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:39:08 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

 comfortable, useful, efficient, fast - I'm sorry, you'll have to pick one 
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Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!


On 08/01/2013 01:58 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
I've used the Nitto butterfly cages, the VO similars as well as the VO 
retros, and the King Irises, and I've managed to break two Nittos and 
(IIRC) one VO but never a King, even with almost 30 oz double wall 
steel bottles (= long and heavy). The King's don't look as shiny but 
IMO they are the best out there regardless of value, and this is true 
even more given the price.


Those two aren't really comparable.  The Nitto Butterfly isn't meant for 
loads as heavy as those you used, and it isn't meant for under the 
downtube use either; but it looks marvelous, holds a normal size and 
weight bottle very well, and yet it's easy to remove and replace the 
bottle.  The King Iris, by contrast, is perfect for overloading and 
under the downtube use; there's simply no way it can open from the 
weight of a bottle.  However, I found it damned near impossible to get 
the bottle out from either the downtube [i.e., NOT under the downtube] 
or seat tube positions with one hand with the bike moving.


The King Iris is a whole lot cheaper, too.  You can buy two King 
stainless cages (either the conventional style or the Iris) for less 
than half of what one Nitto Butterfly costs these days.



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Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

Well, they are comparable for the use of heavy bottles, right? At any rate,
I prefer a duller finish with worry free strength than shiny and cool with
less strength.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

On 08/01/2013 01:58 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

Those two aren't really comparable. The Nitto Butterfly isn't meant for
loads as heavy as those you used, and it isn't meant for under the downtube
use either; but it looks marvelous, holds a normal size and weight bottle
very well, and yet it's easy to remove and replace the bottle. The King
Iris, by contrast, is perfect for overloading and under the downtube use;
there's simply no way it can open from the weight of a bottle. However, I
found it damned near impossible to get the bottle out from either the
downtube [i.e., NOT under the downtube] or seat tube positions with one
hand with the bike moving.

The King Iris is a whole lot cheaper, too. You can buy two King stainless
cages (either the conventional style or the Iris) for less than half of
what one Nitto Butterfly costs these days.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Lee Chae

There's a Motel 6 and a Travelodge in San Rafael, about 4 miles from the
campgrounds. There's also an Embassy Suites less than 2 miles away from it.
The first two seem to be around $70/night for a king bed, and the Embassy
Suites about $170 (all current rates).

Admin Jim Cyclofiend has been known to lurk in the trails and roadways in
that area, so maybe he can chime in at some point about local motels, etc?
:)

Also, the campground has pay showers, just fyi. And if you use it as a
base, you will have access to many great rides from there.


I like how this is shaping up!
Lee


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote:

 It sounds like some people want motel lodging.  If we go to China
 Camp, where would those people stay, and how expensive would it be?
 The Bay Area is a pricey area.

 On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Reid reidp...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
  On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:41:32 AM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
 
  Bay Area is always a good place in the summer. What better place to
 have a
  Rivendell Jamboree then in the place where Rivendell Bicycle Works. I
 place
  my bid for China Camp beautiful campground that leaves the option of
 plenty
  of different level riding abilities for those not looking to go crazy.
 Take
  the ferry and ride super short or take the road and ride to the
 campgrounds.
  The morning afterwords there's prime dirt loops around the area.
  s for more official statement.
  Manny's Bid.
  China Camp, 101 Peacock Gap Trail, San Rafael, CA 94901
  July 13-14
 
 
  Yes! Here's my vote for Manny's Bid. And yes, this is somewhat
 self-serving
  as I also live in the Bay Area. Is that strengthening a clique? I like to
  see it as a direct challenge to the PNW people to get off their duffs and
  make a really strong, exciting bid/case for the PNW. Also self-serving,
  though as the PNW is about my favorite piece of the world.  :-)
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Choice


On 08/01/2013 02:07 PM, LeahFoy wrote:
I wheeled the little 16 in Trek Jet to the counter and waited. There 
was one other customer in the whole store and 3-4 employees working. I 
stood at that counter for almost 20 minutes. They joked with each 
other, and paid attention to the lycra-clad male customer in the 
store, but they ignored me, my 4 year old Lincoln and our little bike. 
I could have called someone over, but since I was standing in plain 
sight and knew they had seen me, I didn't. Finally, I slowly wheeled 
the little bike back and left the store. No one said a word to me. I 
drove straight to the Specialized store, where they greeted us warmly, 
and purchased the Lincoln's Hotrock for more money. 



Sometimes shops like that are snobby about the bikes; sometimes they're 
snobby about the looks of the customers.  There used to be this boutique 
shop near where I live that would ignore anyone in the queue that wasn't 
either a hot looking young woman or a buff young man.  You could be 
there with $12,000 worth of bikes, but if you were middle aged and a bit 
on the pudgy side they would look right through you and never wait on 
you.   They're gone now, but not on account of their attitude; the owner 
learned one day he had cancer, and died the following day, with no 
succession plan in place.  I couldn't help but thinking Good riddance! 
when I learned of it.



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Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!


On 08/01/2013 02:13 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Well, they are comparable for the use of heavy bottles, right? 


No.  You should NOT put heavy bottles into the Nitto Butterfly, It's 
totally unsuited.  As you well know.



At any rate, I prefer a duller finish with worry free strength than 
shiny and cool with less strength.



I like being able to get the bottles out while I am riding, and I 
couldn't do that with the King Iris, and god knows I tried.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Choice

I don't know if Target Schwinns are as bad as Walmart specials, but
working at Stevie's that specializes in everyday riders and older bikes I
get all sorts of customers wanting to put right cheap chain store bikes
that are -- how to express it sufficiently strongly -- amazingly badly
built; like the new $80 WM special I checked recently for a young man which
had cheap V brakes with springs of metal so soft and pliable they were,
very literally, like thicker paper clips: you could bend them with your
little finger and they would not keep their shape -- plastic rather than
elastic. You literally could not adjust the brakes. And bearings that won't
stay in adjustment, no matter what you do -- tho' I have been surprised at
how well cheap indexed drivetrain stay in tune despite horrible neglect.

The point is that some bike shaped objects are simply not capable of
maintenance and should never have been sold in the first place.

This is no excuse for rudeness, but one very useful service a bike shop
employee can give is to explain to such owners that there is simply nothing
to be done, and that buying a cheap used bike for $100 is a far, far better
deal.

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 . The employee looked down his nose at that silver Target Schwinn, and
 said, We can fix it, but you know there's only so much you can do to a
 bike like that. It won't ever ride as well as. and then droned on
 about the nicer bikes for sale in his shop. She was so upset because at
 that time, that was the best they could afford, and they weren't there to
 be told how crappy their bike was; they were there for a simple repair.


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Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

No, no, no: my point is that you CAN and even MUST compare them in regard
of this use, in which case you will choose the Iris and not the Butterfly.

I've no problem getting bottles out of my 5 Iris cages -- better work on
that forearm and grip strength.

Patrick Moore, who is being deliberately persnickety in not-quite-serious
fashion.

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On 08/01/2013 02:13 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

Well, they are comparable for the use of heavy bottles, right?

No. You should NOT put heavy bottles into the Nitto Butterfly, It's
totally unsuited. As you well know.

At any rate, I prefer a duller finish with worry free strength than shiny
and cool with less strength.

I like being able to get the bottles out while I am riding, and I couldn't
do that with the King Iris, and god knows I tried.

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[RBW] Re: Perspective

2013-08-01 Thread Ron Mc

good answer dad.  

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:07:38 AM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:

 I promised my little boys a bike ride in the cooler hours of a hot Nevada 
 day. My 7 yr old is SO proud of his new Specialized Hotrock in 24 in. 
 wheels. It's candy apple red and has been outfitted with a bell and 
 kickstand. Come fall, I will put on a rack. My 4 yr old (rides two wheels) 
 is equally delighted with his Specialized Hotrock in 16 in. (he has bell 
 and kickstand too, which he brags about to strangers).The older exclaimed, 
 I have the best bike EVER! as he shot out of the driveway. The younger, 
 hot on his heels, yelled, And my Hotrock is the best bike ever TOOO! 

 They turned back and said, Mom, it's so sad that you don't have a 
 Hotrock, too. 

 I said, Yes, boys, Mommy just has to suffer with this Rivendell. You 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Christopher Chen

I think the Portland group is strong enough to possibly bid for something
next year. ODOT is working to complete the sections of the Historic
Columbia River Highway so we can ride from Portland to Hood River without
using the interstate: I think that would be an excellent option--there are
nice hotels+beer+food in Hood River, and there's plenty of camping too.

Like I said, no formal bid, but it's an interesting option.

And I *am* camping obsessed.


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:

 I like the idea of the Pacific Northwest too. We've already heard from
 Bellingham, but what about the Portland folks?

 On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I really like the way this is developing.  To me central has nothing
 to do
  with geography and everything to do with access.  From where I am in
 Vermont
  it's easier to get to Seattle than it is to Ashville, even though it's
 three
  times as far.  I like the idea of the PNW.
 
  As much as I love the Bay area ( and have a son  granddaughter there) I
  think the Bay area crowd could also travel a bit.  Weakening cliques
 would
  be helpful.
 
  To pull this off the destination will need 4 or 5 people in the area who
 are
  willing to put some significant amount of work into it.
 
  Lodging - getting a group rate at a local hotel or resort, prepared to
 deal
  with all the bikes, and a nearby campground would be ideal.  People like
  Adventure Cycling or a tour agent might be helpful in this regard.
 
  I'm excited about the prospect of pulling this off.
 
  Michael
 
 
  On Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:49:12 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
 
  On 08/01/2013 11:29 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
   I think it's a great idea.
  
   Speaking from this person's perspective, the things (to me) that make
   for a good location for a rally:
  
   - First and foremost, the allure of the location (in terms of
   adventure, natural beauty and rideability).  If it lacks grandeur, so
   will the ride (I'm afraid)
 
  Depends on what you mean by grandeur.   There's certainly nothing like
  the Grand Canyon or Niagra Falls (both high on the grandeur scale) in
  Salisbury MD, but the League Annual Rally in 1989 was one of the most
  successful bike rallies of all time, and the riding was so well regarded
  the Seagull Century kicked off shortly afterwards. I wouldn't consider
  the Great Allegheny Passage to be especially rich in scenic grandeur
  either, but it's one of the nicest places to tour that I know of.
 
 
   - It's driveable (which we of course can't expect for a national
   rally)... some will obviously be able to drive; others will need to
   fly and ship bikes. But if we can somehow maximize attendance with the
   least amount of travel hassle, that's important
   - A location with basic amenities (ie lodging/camping,
   restaurants/provisions, emergency services, etc.)
 
  And note that lodging is NOT synonymous with camping.  For some,
  clearly camping is the way to go, but there are many others whose
  camping days are long since over.
 
 
   - Location is well suited to serve either as a hub (for out and back
   day-rides), or can accommodate point-to-point, self-supported travel
   (with provision for shuttle service IF necessary, or a route that
   loops on itself).  Logistics cannot be the weak point; one poorly
   coordinated shuttle pickup can ruin your whole day.
   - It's great to have local help from someone who knows the area and
   who has connections to help out in a pinch.
  
   I stand by the first rule... The location must be outstanding and
   offer adventure, beauty and rideability.  Let's kick around some
 ideas.
 
  And adventure doesn't necessarily mean you have a good chance of dying
  and being eaten by wolves.  We're not talking Rapha-style epic here.
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread JL

This is a great idea.  It would be wonderful if it caught on and rotated cities 
like NAHBS does.  I am from the bay area but bellingham gets my vote. July 
dates work well. 

Jason
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

How about if we say that we'll vote on the place and time one week
from today, or something like that? That gives everyone a chance to
offer different alternatives, so we don't settle on the first idea
that is suggested.  Manny's China Camp proposal sounds great, but a
Pacific Northwest gathering would also be great.

Bellingham Washington is reachable by Amtrak, for Bay Area folks,
though the connection in Seattle might not be great.

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 This is a great idea.  It would be wonderful if it caught on and rotated 
 cities like NAHBS does.  I am from the bay area but bellingham gets my vote. 
 July dates work well.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Robert F. Harrison

I'd try to go if it's Portland as I have family there. The Bay Area is
possible as well and perhaps even Bellingham (it's trickier for me). I have
to be in Boise, ID on July 11-13 so I'd love the Jamboree to be the next
weekend as I could make it an extended trip and cycle both in Boise and at
the meet up. That's about the only way I could make it though in July
though.

Aloha,

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[RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Zack

Iris cages are, in my experience, the best for carrying kleen kanteen 
insulated bottles.

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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt

I wonder if we could find some sort of BB type place that would have rooms 
for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who want to throw 
a sleeping bag on the ground.

The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus http://coastalmountainsporthaus.com is in 
the coast range west of Portland, so not really near Bellingham. But if 
there's interest I'd be happy to call and at least find out if they 
could/would accommodate something like this.  

My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the cool 
and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

I rode a bunch of the Montana section last year on my Disc Trucker with 
26x2 Schwalbe Mondial tires. Some of it was pretty arduous, with rocks the 
size of baby heads nested in a bed of loose sandy stuff (mostly accumulated 
at the bottoms of big hills). It was doable for me, but I think a 2.3 tire 
would have floated better over the loose stuff. 

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:21:33 AM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:

 I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot 
 of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti 
 instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard 
 a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough 
 cushioning? 

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 wrote: 
  How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, 
  self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole 
  route. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree

Babyhead rocks, and sand, and steep hills? The Defense of 2.3 Knobbies
and Disk Brakes rests, your honor.

I like underbiking, but not that far under.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
thill@gmail.com wrote:
 I rode a bunch of the Montana section last year on my Disc Trucker with 26x2
 Schwalbe Mondial tires. Some of it was pretty arduous, with rocks the size
 of baby heads nested in a bed of loose sandy stuff (mostly accumulated at
 the bottoms of big hills). It was doable for me, but I think a 2.3 tire
 would have floated better over the loose stuff.

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 I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot
 of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti
 instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard
 a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough
 cushioning?

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  How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain,
  self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole
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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt

Another similar but different idea... Bridal Veil 
Lodgehttp://www.bridalveillodge.comin the Columbia Gorge. Once upon a time 
they had a campground, but now it's 
only indoor lodging. I spoke to them last year and they said they've talked 
about opening up for camping but haven't gotten the ball rolling. I could 
call and float the group lodging + camping idea there. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Jim Mather

For the Bay Area, there are hostels in the Marin headlands and in Pt.
Reyes. You can reserve them as a group, but you'd need to do it soon, I'm
sure.

jim m
wc ca


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54ca...@gmail.comwrote:

 I wonder if we could find some sort of BB type place that would have
 rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who want to
 throw a sleeping bag on the ground.

 The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus http://coastalmountainsporthaus.com is
 in the coast range west of Portland, so not really near Bellingham. But if
 there's interest I'd be happy to call and at least find out if they
 could/would accommodate something like this.

 My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the cool
 and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe.

 --Smitty


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[RBW] CO Canal/GAP Trail Week of Aug 12-19

2013-08-01 Thread WETH

Would any 'RBW Friends' be interested in joining me to ride part or all of 
the CO Canal http://www.bikewashington.org/canal/ and/or GAP 
Trailhttp://www.atatrail.org/ sometime 
between August 12-19?

A friend and I had scheduled the week of August 12th to cycle the CO 
Canal.  We were going to ride the roughly 180 miles from Cumberland, MD to 
Washington, DC in three days.  Living in the DC area,  we were going to 
select the three consecutive days with the best weather forecast for the 
ride.  Unfortunately, an injury has sidelined my friend, and while I don't 
mind riding alone, companionship makes a trip more enjoyable.  On the off 
chance folks are interested in joining me on such short notice, I would 
welcome the company.

Tentative Trip details:
When:  sometime during the week of August 12-19th (a 2 or 3 day ride would 
be fine, but so would a 5-7 day)
Where: CO Canal and/or the GAP Trail -or- some combination of both; I am 
flexible and both trails are on my 'bucket list'.
Miles: an average of 40-60 miles a day. I prefer a leisurely pace.
Lodging: I am open to camping, motels or a combination.  My preference 
would be motels to limit the gear I carry, but I am a camper and would be 
open to camping.

Please email me off list if you are interested: erlhouston (at) gmail (dot) 
com and we can discuss further.  I have heard and read wonderful things 
about these two trails and am looking forward to the ride!

All the best,
Erl
Kensington, Maryland

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

I suggest that we provide an actual motel/inn option, rather than
hostels. Some people prefer privacy. Also, if we have a motel option,
people can reserve on their own, rather than an organizer reserving a
block at a hostel and then finding people cancelling.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote:
 For the Bay Area, there are hostels in the Marin headlands and in Pt. Reyes.
 You can reserve them as a group, but you'd need to do it soon, I'm sure.

 jim m
 wc ca


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 wrote:

 I wonder if we could find some sort of BB type place that would have
 rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who want to
 throw a sleeping bag on the ground.

 The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of Portland, so
 not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be happy to call and
 at least find out if they could/would accommodate something like this.

 My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the cool
 and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe.

 --Smitty


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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread franklyn

My wife and I just came back from a trip to the San Juan Islands, and many
riding options are available. On Lopez
Islandhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157634583984583/with/9260436668/,

we stayed at a private
campgroundhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/9260477134/that also has
cabins for those who would like to sleep on real beds. At
least one county park is also close by that has a good number of camping
spots. On Orcas
Islandhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157634596948508/with/9260871219/,

we stayed in our tent on the lawn of a
BBhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/9260767693/.
The lodge is just outside Eastsound, and Moran State
Parkhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/9264183956/,
which has amazing lake side and near-lake camping
spotshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/9263623170/,
is a beautiful 4 or so miles away. So I endorse the idea of doing something
near Bellingham/Puget Sound.

Another great place is Pt Reyes here in the Bay Area. There are multiple
campsites in the National Park; the Hostel, including its large-group
facilities, can accommodate up to 40 folks who want real beds. overflow
folks can head east on Sir Francis Drake and camp in Samuel P Taylor state
park. Several BB also exist in Olema and Pt Reyes Station.

I help to organize an overnight bike ride
https://ssl.dharmawheels.org/wp/every year and at the end of the first day
the group stays at the KOA
campground http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/2988519599/ near
Cloverdale, CA. Our group is usually 120-150 people, with 90 of them
cyclists riding up from San Rafael in the morning. The campground is clean
and comfortable, and has enough facilities, including a kitchen, outdoor
pool, and jacuzzi, and a great view of Lake Sonoma. The KOA campground also
has several cabins of different size for people who want or need to sleep
on a bed. The riding--both paved, dirt, or mixed-terrain--around the area
is amazing. Several Bay Area paved and mixed-terrain brevets go through
cloverdale, which is also a launching pad for the Mendocino
Coasthttp://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Mendocinom=tagsw=60508949%40N00ss=2ct=0mt=alladv=1s=int,

not to mention the beautiful hills and roads of Napa County. For
out-of-town folks coming by AMTRAK, you can buy your ticket all the way to
Cloverdale, the thru-way buses will carry your bike-box all the way to
Cloverdale, and the campground is a mile away. Those in the Bay Area can
ride a flattish 85-mile route from San Rafael to Cloverdale. Hills, dirt,
ocean, forest, Napa--quite a combination.

The more I type, the more I think Sonoma
Countyhttp://www.flickr.com/search/?w=60508949@N00s=intss=2ct=0mt=alladv=1q=Sonoma,

with overnight at the KOA campground is a good idea.

Franklyn
Berkeley, CA

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:53:55 PM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

I wonder if we could find some sort of BB type place that would have
rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who want to
throw a sleeping bag on the ground.

The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus http://coastalmountainsporthaus.com is
in the coast range west of Portland, so not really near Bellingham. But if
there's interest I'd be happy to call and at least find out if they
could/would accommodate something like this.

My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the cool
and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe.

--Smitty

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[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Matt Beebe

I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully 
loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do 
it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long 
and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go 
from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to 
juuust the right amount.   It was really surprising what a difference it 
makes.


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 I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot 
 of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti 
 instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard 
 a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough 
 cushioning? 

 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote: 
  How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, 
  self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole 
  route. 



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[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-01 Thread Tom Virgil

A ride up Camp Pendleton from Oceanside in late afternoon or early evening 
is a very nice experience.  A call to the Public Affairs Officer (PAO) at 
(760)-725-5799 
or e-mail mcb.cpen.com...@usmc.mil can help clarify access.  There are no 
longer blanket long term closures, but some USMC training operations might 
block a particular set of days.  One needs to call ahead.  If the coast is 
clear (obvious chance to use that phrase, don't you know), you will need an 
ID such as a California Driver's license to clear the guard post at the 
South entrance.  If the coast is not clear, you are diverted onto the 
shoulder of I5.  I did that once after 9/11 in the era of long term closure 
and will never do it again; better to boost a ride on Metrolink and retain 
your sanity without lasting psychosis.

For those who have never done it, the personnel on the base are very 
professional gentlemen and gentle-women.  I have never encountered anything 
but courtesy, encouragement, and enthusiasm from them on my rides across 
the base.  Sometimes they are performing operations and their equipment and 
professionalism is impressive.

Camping with other Riv oriented folks at San Mateo sounds great.  I would 
love to see you and see the bikes.  I cannot commit because of mid-term 
reviews at my place of employment.  If I can break away, I will.  That's 
why it's an S24O!

Some other options...  (Maybe not so S24O) Peddle up Camp Pendleton, dine 
at an Italian restaurant (recommend Guicho's), credit car tour into hotel 
(San Clemente Surf Inn works well), chow down at Adele's Cafe,  rest, 
digest, and ride back South.  My San Diego friends call this Pedal and 
Pig/Pig and Pedal.

Hope I can hook up.

Tom

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:28:38 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Ok I booked it cause I was afraid it would be gone! So I'm all the way in. 
 Mike sorry you can't but this was short notice so I sort of expected this 
 would happen with some. Anyway we can work on another date. Also I think it 
 would great if we could all meet @ Doug's or the Metro Link station. Food 
 for thought.

 ~Hugh

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:17:11 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 I'd love to Hugh, but I'm on a backpacking trip that week. How about we 
 do the Crystal Cove campground the next weekend. It's a primitive site so 
 easy to get reservations. I'm all recovered from my crash, finally.

 ~mike




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[RBW] Re: s240 Mt Tam (Paging Mike Allen)

2013-08-01 Thread brianweee

Pantoll station has a Hike or Bike campsite! $5 per person. I S240ed with a 
friend recently :) 

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:41:50 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 During the Rumble Mike and I talked about doing an overnighter up Mt.Tam. 
 I'm pretty sure theres campsites up there. I think we picked the date of 
 Aug 5. 
 Hopefully Mike sees this and confirms.
 Hope ya'll can make it.

 -Manny


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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Tonester

The BMW Moto guys have rallies every year and tend to bias towards one 
coast or another on alternate years.  A great idea! I think that a train 
ride to a cool location would be the bomb!

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:28:28 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I really like the way this is developing.  To me central has nothing to 
 do with geography and everything to do with access.  From where I am in 
 Vermont it's easier to get to Seattle than it is to Ashville, even though 
 it's three times as far.  I like the idea of the PNW.

 As much as I love the Bay area ( and have a son  granddaughter there) I 
 think the Bay area crowd could also travel a bit.  Weakening cliques would 
 be helpful. 

 To pull this off the destination will need 4 or 5 people in the area who 
 are willing to put some significant amount of work into it.

 Lodging - getting a group rate at a local hotel or resort, prepared to 
 deal with all the bikes, and a nearby campground would be ideal.  People 
 like Adventure Cycling or a tour agent might be helpful in this regard.

 I'm excited about the prospect of pulling this off.

 Michael

 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:49:12 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 08/01/2013 11:29 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: 
  I think it's a great idea. 
  
  Speaking from this person's perspective, the things (to me) that make 
  for a good location for a rally: 
  
  - First and foremost, the allure of the location (in terms of 
  adventure, natural beauty and rideability).  If it lacks grandeur, so 
  will the ride (I'm afraid) 

 Depends on what you mean by grandeur.   There's certainly nothing like 
 the Grand Canyon or Niagra Falls (both high on the grandeur scale) in 
 Salisbury MD, but the League Annual Rally in 1989 was one of the most 
 successful bike rallies of all time, and the riding was so well regarded 
 the Seagull Century kicked off shortly afterwards. I wouldn't consider 
 the Great Allegheny Passage to be especially rich in scenic grandeur 
 either, but it's one of the nicest places to tour that I know of. 


  - It's driveable (which we of course can't expect for a national 
  rally)... some will obviously be able to drive; others will need to 
  fly and ship bikes. But if we can somehow maximize attendance with the 
  least amount of travel hassle, that's important 
  - A location with basic amenities (ie lodging/camping, 
  restaurants/provisions, emergency services, etc.) 

 And note that lodging is NOT synonymous with camping.  For some, 
 clearly camping is the way to go, but there are many others whose 
 camping days are long since over. 


  - Location is well suited to serve either as a hub (for out and back 
  day-rides), or can accommodate point-to-point, self-supported travel 
  (with provision for shuttle service IF necessary, or a route that 
  loops on itself).  Logistics cannot be the weak point; one poorly 
  coordinated shuttle pickup can ruin your whole day. 
  - It's great to have local help from someone who knows the area and 
  who has connections to help out in a pinch. 
  
  I stand by the first rule... The location must be outstanding and 
  offer adventure, beauty and rideability.  Let's kick around some ideas. 

 And adventure doesn't necessarily mean you have a good chance of dying 
 and being eaten by wolves.  We're not talking Rapha-style epic here. 




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Re: [RBW] Gotham Cargo Crate

@Peter - Yes, definitely more expensive than NYC. I think the rack seems
to be the best bet.

@Joe - The dropout was a nice, unexpected touch, upon the arrival of my
frame.

Although zip ties are one way of doing it, it's not as 'easy on/easy off'
as I would like. I am wondering if something like this will work:

Ortlieb http://www.ortliebusa.com/prodInfo.asp?pid=313cid=25snap it
adapter on the basket + Ortlieb front top it
rackhttp://www.ortliebusa.com/prodInfo.asp?pid=269cid=25in silver. The
problem with this is the top it rack does not look like it
will allow me to mount my
fronthttp://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/9351531461/in/photostream/ light
easily http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/9354303448/in/photostream/.

OR...

Marks rack + Pletscher rack
adapterhttp://www.klickfix.com/index.php?mod=11lang=en+ Pletscher
coupling set http://www.klickfix.com/index.php?mod=11lang=en attached to
the basket.

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:26:12 AM UTC+2, joe b. wrote:

Sorry, I missed the part about mounting to a front rack and understand
wanting to keep the clamps off the bars. That dropout is spectacular. Lip
free or die. Good luck!

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:28 PM, SMP sum...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:

@Peter - thanks for the tips. I am not so handy, and I live in Zurich,
the most expensive city in the world ... so multiply all of those figures
by 2.5 and you'll be back at almost 90, shipped ;)

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:07:28 AM UTC+2, joe b. wrote:

SMP,

If you get it, feel free to ask the group for help dialing in the
install. They're an ingenious bunch!

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, SMP sum...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Bunch,

I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is the
autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front basket/crate
by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com.

Here is a photo of my Riv
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not

very recent). Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream tires
(this is already a part of the upgrade plan).

My last question is, is this a terrible idea?

Thanks and looking forward to your feedback.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Cecily Walker

I'm just up the road from Bellingham in Vancouver, BC and I'm willing to 
help however I can. And hey - maybe by the time the rally happens, I'll 
have my Betty Foy! ;-)

Cecily (frequent lurker who pops her head in now and again)

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:42:58 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

 I like the idea of the Pacific Northwest too. We've already heard from 
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[RBW] Re: Gotham Cargo Crate

2013-08-01 Thread Tom Virgil

You ask if this is a terrible idea.  Your bike is drop dead gorgeous.  I 
also think the crates are wonderfully crafted.  But I think the crates are 
substantial, wooden things with metal corners (perhaps, not the Autumn, but 
it is angular).  They are quite elegant.  I don't want to crash with one of 
those on my bike.  I have my troubles and crashes are a matter of when, not 
if for me.  I don't want such a rigid structure in that scenario.  I do 
think that Wald baskets are great if your goal is carrying stuff.  And, 
they are quite aerodynamic if nothing is in them.

Hope this is helpful.

Best Regards,

Tom

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:45:26 PM UTC-7, SMP wrote:

 Hello Bunch,

 I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is the 
 autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front basket/crate by 
 Gotham 
 Cargo http://gothamcargo.com.

 Here is a photo of my Riv 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not
  
 very recent).  Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream tires 
 (this is already a part of the upgrade plan).

 My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would you 
 recommend?  Click here for color 
 optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/. 
  I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver.  If I do Natural, 
 though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey saddle 
 and amber shellacked cork grips.  (Silly question - Can I use shellac on 
 wood or only varnish?)

 My next question is, is there a way to mount this in an easy-on/easy off 
 method on either a big nitto front rack or the smaller mark's rack?  Maybe 
 using retractable zip ties or a klickfix solution?  I want to have the 
 versatility to have it on most of the time for my inner city use, but from 
 time to time on long rides, have the option to go crate-free.

 My last question is, is this a terrible idea?

 Thanks and looking forward to your feedback.




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Re: [RBW] Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-01 Thread Curtis McKenzie

Hugh, count me in. A great way to end the summer.

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 Ok I booked it cause I was afraid it would be gone! So I'm all the way in.
 Mike sorry you can't but this was short notice so I sort of expected this
 would happen with some. Anyway we can work on another date. Also I think it
 would great if we could all meet @ Doug's or the Metro Link station. Food
 for thought.

 ~Hugh

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:17:11 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 I'd love to Hugh, but I'm on a backpacking trip that week. How about we
 do the Crystal Cove campground the next weekend. It's a primitive site so
 easy to get reservations. I'm all recovered from my crash, finally.

 ~mike


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Re: [RBW] Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-01 Thread Curtis McKenzie

Oh no, I just thought of something that may prevent me from
going...Homer can't swim.

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013, Curtis McKenzie wrote:

 Hugh, count me in. A great way to end the summer.

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013, hsmitham wrote:

 Ok I booked it cause I was afraid it would be gone! So I'm all the way
 in. Mike sorry you can't but this was short notice so I sort of expected
 this would happen with some. Anyway we can work on another date. Also I
 think it would great if we could all meet @ Doug's or the Metro Link
 station. Food for thought.

 ~Hugh

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 do the Crystal Cove campground the next weekend. It's a primitive site so
 easy to get reservations. I'm all recovered from my crash, finally.

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Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Donald Lee

Thanks Chris. I'll pick up an Iris next time I'm in Walnut Creek.

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[RBW] Tires for wet roads

2013-08-01 Thread Peter

Hi everyone.  Please tell me what tire and width of tire you'd recommend 
for a novice commuter riding on wet (rainy) and poor city streets. I find 
that I don't feel very safe on wet streets and thus suffer a loss of 
confidence unless I ride quite slowly--obviously I want to keep riding and 
improve my skills. At the moment I'm gearing up to buy a new bike from 
Rivendell, but haven't yet decided on the model. My current bike is a 
Cannondale touring bike. 
Many thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread David Hays

I'm also a BMW motorcycle rider. I go to the Watkins Glen, New York finger 
Lakes rally every year Labor Day weekend. It's run the the Finger Lakes BMW 
Club.
The national rally  run by the BMW Motorcyles Owners of America(BMWMOA) moves 
across the country in three consecutive years I believe-East, Middle and then 
West.
David


On Aug 1, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Tonester tony.mad...@gmail.com wrote:

 The BMW Moto guys have rallies every year and tend to bias towards one coast 
 or another on alternate years.  A great idea! I think that a train ride to a 
 cool location would be the bomb!
 
 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:28:28 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
 I really like the way this is developing.  To me central has nothing to do 
 with geography and everything to do with access.  From where I am in Vermont 
 it's easier to get to Seattle than it is to Ashville, even though it's three 
 times as far.  I like the idea of the PNW.
 
 As much as I love the Bay area ( and have a son  granddaughter there) I 
 think the Bay area crowd could also travel a bit.  Weakening cliques would be 
 helpful. 
 
 To pull this off the destination will need 4 or 5 people in the area who are 
 willing to put some significant amount of work into it.
 
 Lodging - getting a group rate at a local hotel or resort, prepared to deal 
 with all the bikes, and a nearby campground would be ideal.  People like 
 Adventure Cycling or a tour agent might be helpful in this regard.
 
 I'm excited about the prospect of pulling this off.
 
 Michael
 
 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:49:12 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
 On 08/01/2013 11:29 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: 
  I think it's a great idea. 
  
  Speaking from this person's perspective, the things (to me) that make 
  for a good location for a rally: 
  
  - First and foremost, the allure of the location (in terms of 
  adventure, natural beauty and rideability).  If it lacks grandeur, so 
  will the ride (I'm afraid) 
 
 Depends on what you mean by grandeur.   There's certainly nothing like 
 the Grand Canyon or Niagra Falls (both high on the grandeur scale) in 
 Salisbury MD, but the League Annual Rally in 1989 was one of the most 
 successful bike rallies of all time, and the riding was so well regarded 
 the Seagull Century kicked off shortly afterwards. I wouldn't consider 
 the Great Allegheny Passage to be especially rich in scenic grandeur 
 either, but it's one of the nicest places to tour that I know of. 
 
 
  - It's driveable (which we of course can't expect for a national 
  rally)... some will obviously be able to drive; others will need to 
  fly and ship bikes. But if we can somehow maximize attendance with the 
  least amount of travel hassle, that's important 
  - A location with basic amenities (ie lodging/camping, 
  restaurants/provisions, emergency services, etc.) 
 
 And note that lodging is NOT synonymous with camping.  For some, 
 clearly camping is the way to go, but there are many others whose 
 camping days are long since over. 
 
 
  - Location is well suited to serve either as a hub (for out and back 
  day-rides), or can accommodate point-to-point, self-supported travel 
  (with provision for shuttle service IF necessary, or a route that 
  loops on itself).  Logistics cannot be the weak point; one poorly 
  coordinated shuttle pickup can ruin your whole day. 
  - It's great to have local help from someone who knows the area and 
  who has connections to help out in a pinch. 
  
  I stand by the first rule... The location must be outstanding and 
  offer adventure, beauty and rideability.  Let's kick around some ideas. 
 
 And adventure doesn't necessarily mean you have a good chance of dying 
 and being eaten by wolves.  We're not talking Rapha-style epic here. 
 
 
 
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[RBW] Re: Jenny's fixie FS

2013-08-01 Thread jenny klug

oh my goodness!  this makes me happier than you could imagine.  hope to see 
you guys around the neighborhood sometime!

thanks again,
--jenny @ RBW

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:00:38 PM UTC-7, Donald Lee wrote:

 I should thank you Jenny, rest assured the kids will have great times 
 after they grow a couple more inches, in the meantime I plan to take our 
 Golden Retriever on his evening run around the neighborhood. I have a 
 system where I tie his leash around my waist and cruise the neighborhood, 
 and then stop at the DMV parking lot for a quick ball throwing session. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-01 Thread Liesl

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 2:15:51 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:

 How about if we say that we'll vote on the place and time one week 
 from today, or something like that? That gives everyone a chance to 
 offer different alternatives, so we don't settle on the first idea 
 that is suggested.  Manny's China Camp proposal sounds great, but a 
 Pacific Northwest gathering would also be great. 


I like Anne's suggestion.  But the nominations would have to come from 
folks willing to pitch in some local effort.  Any suggestions for voting 
platform?  There's doodle polls...
I also like the idea of some registration fee because there are costs

Back to Anne's idea...Might we agree on a few criteria items? I propose:

beautiful riding
both camping and cabin/motel/BB type options
near enough to a city with an airport/train station
several different kinds of riding options (short/ long, dirt/paved, wicked 
hills/gentle hills, etc)
some local RivListServ members who are interested in putting in some time

(Heavens, what did I start?)



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Re: [RBW] Tires for wet roads

I can't answer the question directly, but this indirect information may be
worth the stating: I long ago found that treadless tires, particularly Fat
Boys, were much more likely to slip on wet streets than other tires I used
on the same bikes, these including similarly wide (nominal 35, more like 32
on my rims) City Slickers and much narrower sub 1 Specialized Turbos. IME,
even a little tread helps. FWIW, I am a very cautious cornerer in the best
of conditions and even more cautious in the wet.

Experience will best tell you how best to control your bike on wet streets,
but it is good to know in advance that a newly wetted street is often
slicker than one that has been washed clean by inundation.

Patrick Moore, who even just now road back home in the runoff from a very
localized SWestern downpour (tho' he missed the downpour) on his
non-befendered Parigi Roubaix.

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 Hi everyone.  Please tell me what tire and width of tire you'd recommend
 for a novice commuter riding on wet (rainy) and poor city streets. I find
 that I don't feel very safe on wet streets and thus suffer a loss of
 confidence unless I ride quite slowly--obviously I want to keep riding and
 improve my skills. At the moment I'm gearing up to buy a new bike from
 Rivendell, but haven't yet decided on the model. My current bike is a
 Cannondale touring bike.
 Many thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Tires for wet roads


On 08/01/2013 12:16 AM, Peter wrote:
Hi everyone.  Please tell me what tire and width of tire you'd 
recommend for a novice commuter riding on wet (rainy) and poor city 
streets. I find that I don't feel very safe on wet streets and thus 
suffer a loss of confidence unless I ride quite slowly--obviously I 
want to keep riding and improve my skills. At the moment I'm gearing 
up to buy a new bike from Rivendell, but haven't yet decided on the 
model. My current bike is a Cannondale touring bike.


I feel confident on wet roads with just about all the tires that I use, 
including Grand Bois Cypres 700x32C, Grand Bois Hetre 42x650B, Grand 
Bois Lierre 38x650B, Panaracer Col de la Vie 38x650B and Challenge 
Parigi Roubaix 27x700C.  I don't ride the one bike that has narrower 
tires than those in the rain very often because it won't fit fenders, 
but I was caught by unexpected rain on a long ride last summer and found 
that Michelin Pro2Race 700Cx25 were fine in the rain as well.


If you're commuting on poor quality city streets a lot, I'd definitely 
recommend a wide tire.  38-42mm width and around 50 psi takes a lot of 
the worry out of bad pavement, especially at night when visibility isn't 
good and it's hard to be fastidious about avoiding problem areas.


What makes you feel unsafe now?


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[RBW] Re: Tires for wet roads

2013-08-01 Thread Ryan

Hi Peter
 
I ride commute  regularly (spring,summer,fall)  on Panaracer 
Paselas...either 26  X 1.5 or 700c X 35mm @70-80psi. These have a round 
profile and a nice chevron-type  tread. If your Cannondale is a touring 
bike , the 700c  size might work, but how fat a tire you can use dpends on 
clearances and fenders, etc.They're quite tough, and not excessively heavy, 
especially if they have the Kevlar and not the wire bead.I've used both 
sizes since, oh,I'd say at least 5 years. I commute on an X0-1 with fenders 
if it is raining when I leave or a PX-10 which, with the 700 fatties, 
doesn't have any clearance for fenders. For regular mortals such as you and 
me, skinny, slick tires are not confidence-inspiring , to say the least.
 
Obviously,  rain,mud, gravel,wet leaves , etc dictate a change in riding 
style...but I feel these tires have not let me down. If you're commuting 
regularly, I'd say tires are not a good place to economize
 
Other people on this list will have other excellent suggestions. I've heard 
lots of good things about Schwalbes ; there are models equivalent to what 
I'm using. I've heard they're durable...and some models can be a bit spendy.
 
Good luck
 
On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:16:10 PM UTC-5, Peter wrote:

 Hi everyone.  Please tell me what tire and width of tire you'd recommend 
 for a novice commuter riding on wet (rainy) and poor city streets. I find 
 that I don't feel very safe on wet streets and thus suffer a loss of 
 confidence unless I ride quite slowly--obviously I want to keep riding and 
 improve my skills. At the moment I'm gearing up to buy a new bike from 
 Rivendell, but haven't yet decided on the model. My current bike is a 
 Cannondale touring bike. 
 Many thanks.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the exact
geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but somewhere
more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be nice to
consider.

Colorado?

Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then that
would over-weigh a national distribution.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54ca...@gmail.comwrote:

 I wonder if we could find some sort of BB type place that would have
 rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who want to
 throw a sleeping bag on the ground.

 The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus http://coastalmountainsporthaus.com is
 in the coast range west of Portland, so not really near Bellingham. But if
 there's interest I'd be happy to call and at least find out if they
 could/would accommodate something like this.

 My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the cool
 and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe.

 --Smitty


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[RBW] Re: FS: Kalloy Seatpost, Rivendell Hat, VO Bottom Bracket, Dia Compe Downtube Shifters

2013-08-01 Thread Johnny Alien

All that's left is the seatpost.  It's brand new and a pretty decent post 
and pretty lightweight. 27.2 X 300

And only $15 shipped!!

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/null_zpsdb5c0e7e.jpg
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On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:00:35 PM UTC-4, Johnny Alien wrote:

 I have the following item s for sale:

 1.  Brand new in the factory bag 27.2 Kalloy Laprade silver seatpost.  $15 
 shipped

 2.  Brand new/never worn midnight blue Rivendell Cap. $15 shipped

 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ac3-midblue.htm

 3.  VO Bottom Bracket.  Used for approximately 300 miles maybe less.  In 
 very nice condition.  English Thread. Shimano type/square bracket. 110mm. 
  $20 shipped

 http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/null_zps27d4fd7a.jpg
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 4. VO Dia Compe Downtube Shifters.  These are essentially just like the 
 silver shifters except branded DIa Compe and sold by Velo Orange.  USed but 
 very nice condition.  $20 shipped


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Re: [RBW] Tires for wet roads

2013-08-01 Thread Christopher Chen

I would ride the biggest Schwalbe Marathon's you can. I currently run 700C
x 38, but I think your C-dale will probably only take up to 28s? In either
case, I've done some accidental test runs, and they're pretty good (as
long as you stay on the tread--the sidewalls don't corner too well on wet
cobblestones :)


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Peter peterdavid...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone.  Please tell me what tire and width of tire you'd recommend
 for a novice commuter riding on wet (rainy) and poor city streets. I find
 that I don't feel very safe on wet streets and thus suffer a loss of
 confidence unless I ride quite slowly--obviously I want to keep riding and
 improve my skills. At the moment I'm gearing up to buy a new bike from
 Rivendell, but haven't yet decided on the model. My current bike is a
 Cannondale touring bike.
 Many thanks.

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[RBW] Cyclists' legal rights, from a cop magazine: very much worth reading.

http://lawandordermag.epubxp.**com/i/144260/54http://lawandordermag.epubxp.com/i/144260/54

Very much worth reading, and thanks to the boblister who posted it on that
list. I think it worth posting on this one. I, an urban commuter since
roughly 1967, learned new things.

Note that, with a bit of effort, you *can* save it as a PDF.

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Re: [RBW] Tires for wet roads

I believe -- this is a suggestion, not a pronouncement -- that tread and
rubber quality are more important than width.

Come to think of it, I also commuted with 26X32 mm Paselas and, while I did
not find these sturdy, they posed no problem in the rain. Note that I don't
ride often in the rain, but when I do, it tends to be in downpours, and our
runoff system is deliberately primitive, meaning that when it rains, water
gushes down the sides of streets.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 I would ride the biggest Schwalbe Marathon's you can. I currently run 700C
 x 38, but I think your C-dale will probably only take up to 28s? In either
 case, I've done some accidental test runs, and they're pretty good (as
 long as you stay on the tread--the sidewalls don't corner too well on wet
 cobblestones :)


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 Hi everyone.  Please tell me what tire and width of tire you'd recommend
 for a novice commuter riding on wet (rainy) and poor city streets. I find
 that I don't feel very safe on wet streets and thus suffer a loss of
 confidence unless I ride quite slowly--obviously I want to keep riding and
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Re: [RBW] Tires for wet roads

2013-08-01 Thread Christopher Chen

Yes, this is true, Patrick, but he said he rides on some crappy (or poor)
roads, where volume matters.


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe -- this is a suggestion, not a pronouncement -- that tread and
 rubber quality are more important than width.

 Come to think of it, I also commuted with 26X32 mm Paselas and, while I
 did not find these sturdy, they posed no problem in the rain. Note that I
 don't ride often in the rain, but when I do, it tends to be in downpours,
 and our runoff system is deliberately primitive, meaning that when it
 rains, water gushes down the sides of streets.


 On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 I would ride the biggest Schwalbe Marathon's you can. I currently run
 700C x 38, but I think your C-dale will probably only take up to 28s? In
 either case, I've done some accidental test runs, and they're pretty good
 (as long as you stay on the tread--the sidewalls don't corner too well on
 wet cobblestones :)


 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Peter peterdavid...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone.  Please tell me what tire and width of tire you'd recommend
 for a novice commuter riding on wet (rainy) and poor city streets. I find
 that I don't feel very safe on wet streets and thus suffer a loss of
 confidence unless I ride quite slowly--obviously I want to keep riding and
 improve my skills. At the moment I'm gearing up to buy a new bike from
 Rivendell, but haven't yet decided on the model. My current bike is a
 Cannondale touring bike.
 Many thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread hsmitham

Steve,

I like being able to get the bottles out while I am riding, and I 
couldn't do that with the King Iris, and god knows I tried. 

-more beer curls will help :-)

~Hugh





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Re: [RBW] Tires for wet roads

I agree to a point, though I've commuted on bad city pavement (eastern
Copper, NE, and adjacent streets, including the Fairgrounds, here in ABQ,
NM -- pretty rough stuff) with Paselas, and in fact much narrower, with no
problems  wet or dry (175, with loads). I want to point out the option of
narrower -- meaning faster or, less effort required -- tires.

I do realize that we each choose the compromise that best suits our tastes.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 Yes, this is true, Patrick, but he said he rides on some crappy (or poor)
 roads, where volume matters.


 On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe -- this is a suggestion, not a pronouncement -- that tread and
 rubber quality are more important than width.

 Come to think of it, I also commuted with 26X32 mm Paselas and, while I
 did not find these sturdy, they posed no problem in the rain. Note that I
 don't ride often in the rain, but when I do, it tends to be in downpours,
 and our runoff system is deliberately primitive, meaning that when it
 rains, water gushes down the sides of streets.


 On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.orgwrote:

 I would ride the biggest Schwalbe Marathon's you can. I currently run
 700C x 38, but I think your C-dale will probably only take up to 28s? In
 either case, I've done some accidental test runs, and they're pretty good
 (as long as you stay on the tread--the sidewalls don't corner too well on
 wet cobblestones :)


 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Peter peterdavid...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone.  Please tell me what tire and width of tire you'd
 recommend for a novice commuter riding on wet (rainy) and poor city
 streets. I find that I don't feel very safe on wet streets and thus suffer
 a loss of confidence unless I ride quite slowly--obviously I want to keep
 riding and improve my skills. At the moment I'm gearing up to buy a new
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Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!