CSRe:FDA was silver is a legal food additive (used in bakery etc.)
This is the mentality of the FDA: Richard Bandler (the Neurolinguistic Programming guy) tried marketing a placebo, but predictably the FDA didn't like it. The following is from his book Time For A Change: You may have thought a placebo works because the person doesn't know it's a placebo. It works because of belief. In the USA we do an unusual thing. We test all drugs against placebos. That's what a double-blind test does. So we have more information on placebos than we have on all drugs put together. Robert Dilts and I had an idea. We decided to put out a product, tiny empty capsules, called Placebo. No side effects. Robert was my grad student at the time. He reviewed the research on standard problems like headaches. We made plans to publish a little booklet with an index. A person would look up headaches and read, When tested against other drugs, placebos work five out of six times. Then it would say, Take seven when you have a headache. It's a sure thing. The FDA complained. They told us the effects would wear off. Placebo would lose its efficacy. We knew that could happen. Some people would not get the beliefs built in tenaciously the first time. We revealed our backup plan. NEW! PLACEBO PLUS! TWICE THE INERT INGREDIENTS! TWICE AS POWERFUL AS EVER BEFORE! Of course, drug companies run the FDA. So they wouldn't let us do it. They couldn't find any danger. The capsules were empty. There was nothing there. They told us this was illegal and immoral. Besides, they said, it will never work, so we won't let you do it. We had proved that it would work. We had decades of their experimental results from them. We also had our own results. My clients often knew a placebo when they got one. They still do. I actually give them the ability to believe that it works because it is a placebo. I explain that since they already know it for a placebo, it will work forever. It does. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNatural cures
Any one familar with Natural Cures they dpn't want you to know about (book). Bob
CSA combo, CS CZ?
I am curious if one made and mixed Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Zinc, would not that make a viable solution to fight Viruses and bacteria? If so, what pro- portion would one use? I know that zinc is great in fighting colds sore throats. Pete
CSSeeking Alex Torres
If Alex Torres is still on the list, could he please communicate with me off-list to discuss potential skin cancer treatment? Please communicate to: patric...@msn.commailto:patric...@msn.com Many thanks!
RE: CSmercury and heavy metals
I would like an answer to this question also. I worked with heavy metals and radioisotopes for many years? I have just recently sent off a hair sample. Original Message Follows From: Betsy Coffey latimergi...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSmercury and heavy metals Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:19:41 -0800 (PST) Does CS remove mercury or heavy metals? Does it work as a detox agent for other things besides heavy metals? __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Joni Lovegrove
RE: CSproduct on web
Hi Sue; Here is a site about the side effects and precautions http://health.yahoo.com/health/drug/203635/ other name Lipitor. it will lower cholesterol good and bad. It is IMO like throwing out the baby with the bath water. My mother in law suffered liver damage from this drug (she should have had liver levels taken every 6 months but her doctor did not order these tests) She did go and see a doctor that mentioned that she was showing symptoms of liver damage and told her to get off the drug. but when she went back to her family doctor he put her back on with out testing her. I think it contributed to her death. I personally think one is WAY better to increase the good type of fat in ones diet (free range meat, wild cold water sea fish and omega 3 supplements) in Canada seal oil would be the number one supplement IMO. Now most of the time the blockage is from eating too high a carb diet quick releasing refined sugar and starches. Releases a lot of insulin and damages the artery walls sticky cholesterol goes in to add a patch, IF one keeps on with this kind of diet it builds up over time. Changing diet will slowly change this. Higher in veggies (minus the high starch ones) more raw foods and less processed foods high in quick releasing carbs (this included cooked fruits, breads and other grains) Also emotional shocks will cause this problem as well and the body responds with high cholesterol to heal the circulatory system. Louise -Original Message- From: suzy sue [mailto:suzy...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 4:24 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSproduct on web Hi all i have been reading of a product called Angioprim, sounds good, too good does anyone here know anything about it. Claims to clear blocked arteries like a drain cleaner Thought is sounded a bit like DMSO, in little bottles. but much more expensive. Anyone know anything? Sue -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAsthma
The email below was also very helpful to me, I have noticed that cleaning agents with ammonia really set me off, but even vinegar is a trigger, so I mostly have to rely on my husband to clean anything requiring ammonia and I leave the house, scrubbing bubbles seem to be the worst culprit. I have had to quit going to saloon to get my hair cut, the smell of amonia and artificial nail cemet is horrible. I am working on cutting sugar out of my diet, but there are so many food items that have added sugar, you have to be really careful even when you have made the effort not to add sugar to anything. I hadn't thought about cosmetics, especially lipstick, most of my cosmetics are fragrance free, but I must admit I haven't' checked the labels. What about cat liter? We keep it in the basement, but it seems to be a bigger trigger than the cat? I can not go into the basement? You mentioned air fresheners, very interesting, I have noticed that when my husband tries to cover up some of the odor from the liter box, it only makes my breathing worse. Thanks joni Original Message Follows From: John Rigby jrig...@fablor.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAsthma Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:14:19 +1000 At 04:03 AM 23/11/04, you wrote: Changing her diet how? I am wondering what she might be eating that could cause asthma. I have been worried about my 2yo because he had three asthma attacks ( one really bad one ) and they want me to put him on steroids for the next 7 years. Seems excessive to me and if there is a possiblity of keeping him healthy without I'd like to hear it. THanks Sharon Hi Sharon, First - I have no medical licence - I can only repeat observed results - called anecdotal legally. 1. Has he been vaccinated? If so, did the first occur soon after the incursion? 2. There is no practical evidence for the use of steroids except for - like most antibiotics - their anaesthetic effect on the system ( like getting and staying drunk). Their extreme damage potential even to fully grown adults is horrendous. 3. Was the child breastfed? If not, the immune system is already severely compromised. One should try to not introduce any further dangerous substances to the child. 4. You need to research how babies are NATURALLY weaned and whatever you do, do not feed the child any manufactured/processed foods at all. Especially do not feed the child milk, unless it is yours. 5. The list of modern foods that cause the symptoms called asthma is vast. Baby foods are amongst the worse concoctions you can force down their little throats. Then you start on environmental chemicals. A very common cause of childhood asthma is adult cosmetics - perfumes, hairspray, lipstick(quite deadly stuff in them today), so-called deodorants, which are usually vicious chemicals that attack ... nasal capability! 6. If the child is in nappies - what are they being washed in? Try using borax then triple rinse and finally a cup of CS in the last rinse. 7. Is the child distressed during/after bathing? If the water is warm 98F/37C, this can calm almost any state of a child. Chances are it is an adverse chemical reaction: Ammonia in the cleaners, ( remember Ammonia and some cleaning compounds used together are capable of making a pregnant women spontaneously abort) chemicals in the bath soap, so-called soothing rubs, baby oils. 8. Is the child getting some sunshine every day possible - especially not behind glass or wearing baby sunglasses. 9. Is the child being given ANYTHING with white sugar in it? ( 90% of all fast foods) Or hydrolised oil? ( Virtually ALL cheap supermarket oils) 10. Is the environment of the child stressed? A smiling but frightened mother is easily seen thru by a child who is working on pheremones to know what is going on. Are you using fake smells to cover other ones in the home? Auto room deodorizers and toilet ones are very dangerous to your health. It all sounds scary at once, but when it is a case of existing illness, then more effort is needed to determine what the cause is and to maximise the chances of early recovery. The only thing we cannot really regress - yet - is the damage done by vaccination. But tens of thousands of people are working all over the world to stop this insane practise through education. There is no way to stop the enormous moneymaking machine that it is, only to avoid getting caught up in it on a personal level. Just remember - while there is no cure for cancer inside the Medical Business - literally a million people have cured themselves simply by removing themselves from the causes. A simple natural diet and avoidance of these things highlighted and almost anything can be regressed. Cheers, Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post,
Re: CSAsthma / Alternative to Chemical Cleaners
- Original Message - From: Joni Lovegrove haw...@msn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: Re: CSAsthma ...I have noticed that cleaning agents with ammonia really set me off, but even vinegar is a trigger, so I mostly have to rely on my husband to clean anything requiring ammonia and I leave the house, scrubbing bubbles seem to be the worst culprit. I have had to quit going to saloon to get my hair cut, the smell of amonia and artificial nail cemet is horrible. Ammonia and hair salon chemicals are poisonous. The best cleaner I have ever had is Safer Cleaner, from http://www.thesafersolution.com/ It's made entirely from plants, enzymes, minerals, and amino acids. An electrical charge is imbued to make it stronger and able to engulf grease without causing any chemical reactions or undergoing any chemical reactions itself. The stuff is so safe, I can brush my teeth with it. I am working on cutting sugar out of my diet, but there are so many food items that have added sugar, you have to be really careful even when you have made the effort not to add sugar to anything. This is why I make my food from scratch. I hadn't thought about cosmetics, especially lipstick, most of my cosmetics are fragrance free, but I must admit I haven't' checked the labels. What about cat liter? We keep it in the basement, but it seems to be a bigger trigger than the cat? I can not go into the basement? You mentioned air fresheners, very interesting, I have noticed that when my husband tries to cover up some of the odor from the liter box, it only makes my breathing worse. I use Aranizers to clean the air. They are heavy duty, really work, and can be left on 24/7. For moisture control as well as a non-electric way to clean the air, I use bags containing chunks of zeolite, a natural mineral that absorbs moisture and odors. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD Holistic health products, supplements and services http://www.nenahsylver.com Author of newly released The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA combo, CS CZ?
PanAmPete, There isn't any need to mix zinc and silver. Silver alone does the job... at the first sign of a cold and sore throat gargle with CS and use it to cleanse your sinus cavities as well. Put half a dropper full in each nostril as you lie on your back with your head over the edge. Turn gently from side to side for about 3 minutes. Repeat this process 4-5 times a day and your cold/sore throat should disappear in 1-2 days. - Original Message - From: panamp...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:00 AM Subject: CSA combo, CS CZ? I am curious if one made and mixed Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Zinc, would not that make a viable solution to fight Viruses and bacteria? If so, what pro- portion would one use? I know that zinc is great in fighting colds sore throats. Pete
Re: CSAsthma
In a message dated 11/23/04 7:37:36 AM Central Standard Time, haw...@msn.com writes: What about cat liter? We keep it in the basement, but it seems to be a bigger trigger than the cat? I can not go into the basement? You mentioned air fresheners, very interesting, I have noticed that when my husband tries to cover up some of the odor from the liter box, it only makes my breathing worse. Thanks joni Joni, I am almost recovered from MCS. what I have learned from my many years of suffering is that all air freshners are chemicals, and even fabric sofners in the dryer and the liquid ones in the washer. If my grandson walked in the door and his clothing had that in it, I had to make him undress and put on something that I had washed in a no fragrance detergent. It made me ill from across the room. Some people get those ozone air cleaners that destroy the offending thing and not cover it up. This is what I've done. Go here and click on autoimmune. It's an eye opener to alot of problems. http://www.gethealthyagain.com/ Edith
CSRe:Re: CSMilk Expriment
Marshall: Could you identify the difference between EIS Colloidal Silver Ionic Silver Thanks Bill Amos -- OK, I have more information on the milk experiment. This is where we stand now: 1. Plain milk - 42 hours 2. EIS added - 51 hours 3. EIS with a pinch of salt added - 42 hours 4. Ionic silver added - 60 hours 5. colloidal silver added - 41 hours 6. EIS + H2O2 added - 60 hours and still liquid Will post again when the EIS + H2O2 #6 starts clabbering. I believe the earlier clabbering of #5 is due to the milk being a day older and thus having a higher starting bacteria count. Marshall Marshall Dudley wrote: OK, I have started the milk experiment. I have some preliminary results, but am surprised at the results. Here is the test setup: 1. Milk stated out initially at about 2 C. (35 F). 2. ambient temperature is 20 C (69 F). 3. 2 oz. of 2% milk was added to all the glasses. 4. one teaspoon (.167 oz) of test substance was added to each glass, except the first one. 5. The first 3 glasses were slightly larger diameter than the last 3. 6. The ionic has about 1/2 the ion content of the original EIS and about 1/14 the particle content of the original EIS and was generated via freezing. Here are the results thus far, times are length of time to clabbering, longer is better: 1. Plain milk - 42 hours 2. EIS added - 51 hours 3. EIS with a pinch of salt added - 42 hours 4. Ionic silver added - 60 hours 5. colloidal silver added - not yet clabbered but stated 24 hours later 6. EIS + H2O2 added - same as 5 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS
Hi Joni; I would be feeding the cat a raw meaty bone diet (less likelihood to trigger off allergies) the poop has very little smell to it as a bonus. I would suggest ventilation (get humidistat hooked to a fan and put the pipe opening within 2 inches of the lowest part of the basement) this will help lower molds and such growing in the basement. I have had Heilkunst homeopathic treatment for my chemical intolerance and I feel way better at 57 then I was at 26 :o))) It has also helped my dogs as well. Here are some links on why I recommend a Heilkunst type homeopath. They look into the environment, nutrition and emotional trauma's and can treat with remedies or suggest the best alternative treatment and in what order it is best to tackle the changes. Even good changes done too quickly can cause a lot of problems. I use Rudi Verspoor mailto:hchcli...@heilkunst.com or Phone (clinic): 1-613-830-8307 (appointments) 1-613-692-6950 (information and billing) http://www.homeopathy.com/clinic/newpatient.html Heilkunst type homeopaths available at http://www.homeopathy.com/clinic/practitioners.html My friend uses Ati but they are all good :o))) mailto:hchcli...@heilkunst.com or phone 613-830-8307 for appointment Ms. Ati Petrov DMH, HD (RHom.) Homeopathy/Heilkunst 613-830-8307 - East clinic (Orleans at Apple Hill on St. Joseph) 613-761-6405 - West clinic www.applehillclinic.com Catherine Shields catherineshie...@sympatico.ca http://www.arcanum.ca/about_us.html (will also work with email) They work at distance and the homeopathic remedies are included in the consult, but the shipping is extra but minimal as they do not weigh much. http://www.heilkunst.com/directory/index.html http://www.homeopathy.com/clinic/heilkunsttreatment.html http://www.heilkunst.com/ i...@heilkunst.com www.homeopathy.com http://www.homeopathy.com/property_photos.html Louise -Original Message- From: Joni Lovegrove [mailto:haw...@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:35 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAsthma The email below was also very helpful to me, I have noticed that cleaning agents with ammonia really set me off, but even vinegar is a trigger, so I mostly have to rely on my husband to clean anything requiring ammonia and I leave the house, scrubbing bubbles seem to be the worst culprit. I have had to quit going to saloon to get my hair cut, the smell of amonia and artificial nail cemet is horrible. I am working on cutting sugar out of my diet, but there are so many food items that have added sugar, you have to be really careful even when you have made the effort not to add sugar to anything. I hadn't thought about cosmetics, especially lipstick, most of my cosmetics are fragrance free, but I must admit I haven't' checked the labels. What about cat liter? We keep it in the basement, but it seems to be a bigger trigger than the cat? I can not go into the basement? You mentioned air fresheners, very interesting, I have noticed that when my husband tries to cover up some of the odor from the liter box, it only makes my breathing worse. Thanks joni Original Message Follows From: John Rigby jrig...@fablor.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAsthma Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:14:19 +1000 At 04:03 AM 23/11/04, you wrote: Changing her diet how? I am wondering what she might be eating that could cause asthma. I have been worried about my 2yo because he had three asthma attacks ( one really bad one ) and they want me to put him on steroids for the next 7 years. Seems excessive to me and if there is a possiblity of keeping him healthy without I'd like to hear it. THanks Sharon Hi Sharon, First - I have no medical licence - I can only repeat observed results - called anecdotal legally. 1. Has he been vaccinated? If so, did the first occur soon after the incursion? 2. There is no practical evidence for the use of steroids except for - like most antibiotics - their anaesthetic effect on the system ( like getting and staying drunk). Their extreme damage potential even to fully grown adults is horrendous. 3. Was the child breastfed? If not, the immune system is already severely compromised. One should try to not introduce any further dangerous substances to the child. 4. You need to research how babies are NATURALLY weaned and whatever you do, do not feed the child any manufactured/processed foods at all. Especially do not feed the child milk, unless it is yours. 5. The list of modern foods that cause the symptoms called asthma is vast. Baby foods are amongst the worse concoctions you can force down their little throats. Then you start on environmental chemicals. A very common cause of childhood asthma is adult cosmetics - perfumes, hairspray, lipstick(quite deadly stuff in them today), so-called deodorants, which are usually vicious chemicals that attack ... nasal capability! 6. If the child is in nappies - what are they being
Re: CSRe:FDA was silver is a legal food additive (used in bakery etc.)
-Original Message- From: Paul Holloway p.j.hollo...@btinternet.com Sent: Nov 23, 2004 5:51 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe:FDA was silver is a legal food additive (used in bakery etc.) This is the mentality of the FDA: that, my friend, is the kind of twisted and creative logic that will get us all to heaven. Richard Bandler (the Neurolinguistic Programming guy) tried marketing a placebo, but predictably the FDA didn't like it. The following is from his book Time For A Change: You may have thought a placebo works because the person doesn't know it's a placebo. It works because of belief. In the USA we do an unusual thing. We test all drugs against placebos. That's what a double-blind test does. So we have more information on placebos than we have on all drugs put together. Robert Dilts and I had an idea. We decided to put out a product, tiny empty capsules, called Placebo. No side effects. Robert was my grad student at the time. He reviewed the research on standard problems like headaches. We made plans to publish a little booklet with an index. A person would look up headaches and read, When tested against other drugs, placebos work five out of six times. Then it would say, Take seven when you have a headache. It's a sure thing. The FDA complained. They told us the effects would wear off. Placebo would lose its efficacy. We knew that could happen. Some people would not get the beliefs built in tenaciously the first time. We revealed our backup plan. NEW! PLACEBO PLUS! TWICE THE INERT INGREDIENTS! TWICE AS POWERFUL AS EVER BEFORE! Of course, drug companies run the FDA. So they wouldn't let us do it. They couldn't find any danger. The capsules were empty. There was nothing there. They told us this was illegal and immoral. Besides, they said, it will never work, so we won't let you do it. We had proved that it would work. We had decades of their experimental results from them. We also had our own results. My clients often knew a placebo when they got one. They still do. I actually give them the ability to believe that it works because it is a placebo. I explain that since they already know it for a placebo, it will work forever. It does. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNatural cures
Yes, heard about it this past weekend. I have the phone no. at home. He said acid reflux is a farce, a made up disease. You can prove it by drinking vinegar and it will go away. - Do you Yahoo!? Discover all thats new in My Yahoo!
CSTesting for Mycoplasma
http://www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm TESTING FOR MYCOPLASMAS Testing for mycoplasmas is much harder and more complicated than testing for all other bacteria, which is one of the main reasons conventional medical practitioners mis-diagnose or miss these types infections. The most reliable testing method offered today is with a lab test called a PCR test (Polymerase Chain Reaction). Even performing a PCR lab test on a standard whole blood sample ***may not find the mycoplasma,*** simply because the mycoplasma may be residing in other fluids and tissues in the body and not the blood (i.e.; the fluid in the joints, in the spinal fluid, or in any tissue cell like heart, liver, pancreas, endocrine organs, etc.). A PCR test is generally performed by specific mycoplasma species. These laboratory tests can be expensive, but are insurance reimburseable if ordered by your primary care physician. Specific mycoplasma PCR tests are available through these companies, both of which have more information on mycoplasmas in general and testing at their websites: The Institute for Molecular Medicine 15162 Triton Lane Huntington Beach, CA 92649 714-903-2900 www.immed.org Immunosciences Lab, Inc. 8730 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 305 Beverly Hill, CA 90211 310-657-1077 www.immuno-sci-lab.com -Forwarded Message- From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAsthma Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:22:23 -0600 I don't know if you can test for mycoplasma or not, but if you have mucous you have it. It is around all the time and thrives in mucous. Culturing sputum can tell you something is there but not in what quantity. You can get positives on Candida, Aspergillus, Penicillium and still not know if they are over growing or simply there in a normal ratio, we all have pathogenic organsims in out bodies all the time. The point at which they make us ill is hard to determine since we can't accurately count organisms. Nebulizing with CS and DMSO will knock out all of the above. Add MSM and it will help restore elasticity to the lung tissue. Take MSM orally as well. 2,000-8,000 mg a day divided. I nebulize every hour when I have a lung infection. Garnet On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 14:53, Joni Lovegrove wrote: Diet change: What could I be eating that could cause asthma, I would glady remove anything from my diet, I agree that diet is crucial, but I am not familiar with foods that cause asthma, but I have found that any shellfish, avacodo, and some food additives put me into an asthma attack. What has been coughing and wheezing has now turned into almost totally constricted airways, something has really changed. Is there a book or a website on foods and asthma? Next response to mold: We have lots of trees around our house and lots of rain lately, it seems to worsen the asthma to go outside. I have had a touch of asthma for a few years, seems to be triggered by allergies, dust, mold, cats, etc., we do have a cat in the house, but this has been a very severe acute attack. I cannot be around smoke, dyes or pesticides. No mold that I am aware of in our house, or leaks, we do have a basement, but my husband coated the outside and inside as we built it, along with rubber coating on blocks inside and out of basement. We also use a dehumidifier in the summer. I have a large ion machine in our bedroom. I think after being in the hospital, all the antibiotics, then the final straw was an injection of enbrel, it set me into an immediate asthma attack, it has been very severe for the past two weeks. I finally had to take prednizone because my oxygen flow was less than 20%, I could walk miles, now I can barely breath and walk up the steps, xrays show my lungs are severely enlarged. I have never had anything like this, it is really frightening. You mentioned micoplasms: How can microplasms be checked? As for the neulizing of DMSO and CS, I have been too sick to figure out how to get it. I absolutely cannot get a full breath when I walk or talk. I am really concerened about taking prednizone and the inhaler, but it was all I could do under my present circumstances. I am hoping to get over this acute stage, so I can follow through on some of the suggestions and going to the links that many of you have sent for the differnt health issues I have recently developed. Thanks, -joni Are you in a moist humid climate? Are there any moisture issues in your house or basement? Do you have a crawl space under your house? Do you know of any plumbing leaks? Mold could hide in very hard to find places and be outgassing toxic fumes that cause asthma and immune
Re: CS hep. C
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RE: CSAsthma
ORCHIDS to Sharon for sharing her excellent cry for help! AND ORCHIDS To Himagain for this Masterpiece collection of helpful observations that he has gathered in his several x several years of living, observing and sharing with others! I SALUTE YOU, SIR! John, Thank you for this writing (it's truly a MASTERPIECE!) and I hope and pray that Sharon reads and heeds to help her 2 year old escape from asthma. Please, Might I add a few questions? 1) Do you have NEW drapes or Carpets in your home? These are sources of strong Formaldehyde and it's NOT unusual for those living around them to develop asthma and other bronchial irritations. 2)Do you have pets in the home? Pet dander and fumes and products in their offal boxes can cause many problems. 3) Do you cook incorrect items in microwave oven wrapped in various chemical tissues that can add to problems? 4) Of course, there are other possibilities, but Sharon will need to read and play detective to determine if the causative culprit is right under her nose and correct the problem. If my daughter had the problem, I, too, would be searching for alternative treatments to avoid the side effects of STRONG allopathic medicines that can affect her life for many years. I would be giving CS in ALL her liquids foods in addition to switching to Fresh, natural foods. I join Himagain in wishing for you and your lovely daughter a quick source of relief and delivery from the causitive factors. If I can be of further help, please let me know. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: John Rigby [mailto:jrig...@fablor.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:14 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAsthma At 04:03 AM 23/11/04, you wrote: Changing her diet how? I am wondering what she might be eating that could cause asthma. I have been worried about my 2yo because he had three asthma attacks ( one really bad one ) and they want me to put him on steroids for the next 7 years. Seems excessive to me and if there is a possiblity of keeping him healthy without I'd like to hear it. THanks Sharon Hi Sharon, First - I have no medical licence - I can only repeat observed results - called anecdotal legally. 1. Has he been vaccinated? If so, did the first occur soon after the incursion? 2. There is no practical evidence for the use of steroids except for - like most antibiotics - their anaesthetic effect on the system ( like getting and staying drunk). Their extreme damage potential even to fully grown adults is horrendous. 3. Was the child breastfed? If not, the immune system is already severely compromised. One should try to not introduce any further dangerous substances to the child. 4. You need to research how babies are NATURALLY weaned and whatever you do, do not feed the child any manufactured/processed foods at all. Especially do not feed the child milk, unless it is yours. 5. The list of modern foods that cause the symptoms called asthma is vast. Baby foods are amongst the worse concoctions you can force down their little throats. Then you start on environmental chemicals. A very common cause of childhood asthma is adult cosmetics - perfumes, hairspray, lipstick(quite deadly stuff in them today), so-called deodorants, which are usually vicious chemicals that attack ... nasal capability! 6. If the child is in nappies - what are they being washed in? Try using borax then triple rinse and finally a cup of CS in the last rinse. 7. Is the child distressed during/after bathing? If the water is warm 98F/37C, this can calm almost any state of a child. Chances are it is an adverse chemical reaction: Ammonia in the cleaners, ( remember Ammonia and some cleaning compounds used together are capable of making a pregnant women spontaneously abort) chemicals in the bath soap, so-called soothing rubs, baby oils. 8. Is the child getting some sunshine every day possible - especially not behind glass or wearing baby sunglasses. 9. Is the child being given ANYTHING with white sugar in it? ( 90% of all fast foods) Or hydrolised oil? ( Virtually ALL cheap supermarket oils) 10. Is the environment of the child stressed? A smiling but frightened mother is easily seen thru by a child who is working on pheremones to know what is going on. Are you using fake smells to cover other ones in the home? Auto room deodorizers and toilet ones are very dangerous to your health. It all sounds scary at once, but when it is a case of existing illness, then more effort is needed to determine what the cause is and to maximise the chances of early recovery. The only thing we cannot really regress - yet - is the damage done by vaccination. But tens of thousands of people are working all over the world to stop this insane practise through education. There is no way to stop the
Re: CSNatural cures
Just got the book a couple of days ago, but won't have time to start reading it till this weekend. I'll let you know my opinion early next week ;) -James - Original Message - From: Adie To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:38 AM Subject: Re: CSNatural cures Yes, heard about it this past weekend. I have the phone no. at home. He said acid reflux is a farce, a made up disease. You can prove it by drinking vinegar and it will go away. -- Do you Yahoo!? Discover all that's new in My Yahoo!
Re: CSMilk Expriment
OK, I have more information on the milk experiment. This is where we stand now: 1. Plain milk - 42 hours 2. EIS added - 51 hours 3. EIS with a pinch of salt added - 42 hours 4. Ionic silver added - 60 hours 5. colloidal silver added - 41 hours 6. EIS + H2O2 added - 60 hours and still liquid Will post again when the EIS + H2O2 #6 starts clabbering. I believe the earlier clabbering of #5 is due to the milk being a day older and thus having a higher starting bacteria count. Marshall Marshall Dudley wrote: OK, I have started the milk experiment. I have some preliminary results, but am surprised at the results. Here is the test setup: 1. Milk stated out initially at about 2 C. (35 F). 2. ambient temperature is 20 C (69 F). 3. 2 oz. of 2% milk was added to all the glasses. 4. one teaspoon (.167 oz) of test substance was added to each glass, except the first one. 5. The first 3 glasses were slightly larger diameter than the last 3. 6. The ionic has about 1/2 the ion content of the original EIS and about 1/14 the particle content of the original EIS and was generated via freezing. Here are the results thus far, times are length of time to clabbering, longer is better: 1. Plain milk - 42 hours 2. EIS added - 51 hours 3. EIS with a pinch of salt added - 42 hours 4. Ionic silver added - 60 hours 5. colloidal silver added - not yet clabbered but stated 24 hours later 6. EIS + H2O2 added - same as 5 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmercury and heavy metals
No, try IP6. Marshall Betsy Coffey wrote: Does CS remove mercury or heavy metals? Does it work as a detox agent for other things besides heavy metals? __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSeeking Dr. Alex Torres
If Dr. Alex Torres is still on the CS list, would he please respond to this message. I'm seeking info about treating skin cancer with CS. Please reply to patric...@msn.commailto:patric...@msn.com Many thanks!!
Re: CSadvanced colloidal silver
I would say that if I had stage 3 hep c, I absolutely believe it would work for me... I would buy or make a silver generator and start working my way up in the amount I would take daily, and take for a very long time. I would also do some other things to assist the liver like taking Milk Thistle extract daily and using castor oil packs over the liver area. I definitely would be zapping with a Hulda Clark type zapper (simple one is fine) or some sort of blood electrification unit like the Godzilla zapper, etc. I would try to do a Clark type liver flush after zapping for a while, if I thought I could handle it. Taking the colloidal silver, milk thistle and zapping are very easy things to do... Castor oil packs and liver flushes are messy, but may be very helpful. Dan Re: CSadvanced colloidal silver From: name withheld (view other messages by this author) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:41:12 uh, make your own with the silver puppy. last i looked around 100 bucks. have to buy distilled water. the stuff works against bacteria. hep c maybe. home made works like a charm. On Nov 23, 2004, at 12:46 AM, john joseph wrote: I have been buying cs from the advanced colloidal silver site.I have hepatitis c and what i have read on the site it is suppose to help people with hep c,my question is does this cs work i am at stage 3 or is it all a bunch of lies by a bunch of saleman.I need some help...John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSadvanced colloidal silver
EIS, or electrically isolated silver, which contains about 10 to 20% CS has helped many with hep C. In fact I have heard of many who have cured it rather quickly with large intakes of home made EIS. I am not sure about the stages though. Marshall john joseph wrote: I have been buying cs from the advanced colloidal silver site.I have hepatitis c and what i have read on the site it is suppose to help people with hep c,my question is does this cs work i am at stage 3 or is it all a bunch of lies by a bunch of saleman.I need some help...John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:FDA was silver is a legal food additive (used in bakery etc.)
Paul, thanks for the laugh for the day! Funny, but it's also sad. Sally Paul Holloway p.j.hollo...@btinternet.com wrote: This is the mentality of the FDA: Richard Bandler (the Neurolinguistic Programming guy) tried marketing a placebo, but predictably the FDA didn't like it. The following is from his book Time For A Change: You may have thought a placebo works because the person doesn't know it's a placebo. It works because of belief. In the USA we do an unusual thing. We test all drugs against placebos. That's what a double-blind test does. So we have more information on placebos than we have on all drugs put together. Robert Dilts and I had an idea. We decided to put out a product, tiny empty capsules, called Placebo. No side effects. Robert was my grad student at the time. He reviewed the research on standard problems like headaches. We made plans to publish a little booklet with an index. A person would look up headaches and read, When tested against other drugs, placebos work five out of six times. Then it would say, Take seven when you have a headache. It's a sure thing. The FDA complained. They told us the effects would wear off. Placebo would lose its efficacy. We knew that could happen. Some people would not get the beliefs built in tenaciously the first time. We revealed our backup plan. NEW! PLACEBO PLUS! TWICE THE INERT INGREDIENTS! TWICE AS POWERFUL AS EVER BEFORE! Of course, drug companies run the FDA. So they wouldn't let us do it. They couldn't find any danger. The capsules were empty. There was nothing there. They told us this was illegal and immoral. Besides, they said, it will never work, so we won't let you do it. We had proved that it would work. We had decades of their experimental results from them. We also had our own results. My clients often knew a placebo when they got one. They still do. I actually give them the ability to believe that it works because it is a placebo. I explain that since they already know it for a placebo, it will work forever. It does. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - Do you Yahoo!? Discover all thats new in My Yahoo!
Re: CSAsthma
If you have a crawl space and you are in Western Oregon you have mold, does not require a leak, it is the moisture in the soil, if there is a plastic lining in the crawl space it is behind the plastic, from the soil, the volatile organic compounds diffuse through dirt and plastic into your house. You will need to filter his air heavily, until you can get into a dry house without a crawl space. Austin Air http://www.austinair.com/ makes filters for those with chemical sensitivity, they are pricey but they are the only ones that I know of that really remove the VOCs down to satisfactory level. If you can only afford one at first put it in the room he is in the most or make sure you buy the wheeled base and move it around with him. Dealer Locator http://www.austinair.com/purchase.htm Best Price On-Line Allergy Relief $470 http://www.onlineallergyrelief.com/airpure/austin/austin.html The potassium iodide impregnated in the carbon is essential for removal of one of the biggest air polluters in homes, formaldehyde. It is in so many things -- and it has many names that industry uses to fly under the consumers' radar. http://www.austinair.com/hmplus.htm This is the only unit that has the ability to efficiently remove formaldehyde and ammonia as well as other VOCs produced by molds and house hold materials. Do not let someone sell you an ozonating or ionizing air filter, they will not work to the same efficiency. Do NOT belive the salesmen, they will not tell you the truth of the matter. Ozone can purify air but it can also adsorb into sheet rock and gas out when you are in the room, ozone is toxic to plants and animals, it also combines with other chemicals in your air and makes them more toxic. Do not use ozone. Electrostatic filters are not efficient, like the ones that you see on TV commercials but they look good on the commercials. Don't waste your money. The VOCs can suppress his immunity as well as yours, he is more susceptible. He needs constant detoxing while in this house. If he is in school I don't know what to tell you, as schools even brand new ones can have VOC issues from many sources including mold. Ellensberg, WA ~1999 brand elementary school new shut down because of mold in crawl spaces, and they are on the dry side of the mountains. I will say that homeschooling is one option for some, but you must clean up your home air quality. Some schools will comply and allow air filters but may not buy them, you may have to supply the unit. www.mold.org has good info. If I can answer more questions please feel free to ask. My family was sick for 5 years, my daughter was coughing up blood for over a year, we all developed severe asthma. We lived in four different rent houses. All had mold issues, the first had water leaks, one was a crawl space, the other a dirt floored basement where the HVAC was drawing air and the fourth was in a whole and had no forced air ventilation, just baseboard heaters, three were in Seattle. Forced air (fans) ventilation helps dry out the air, moving furniture away from the walls and checking for mold, have a plumbing test done by a professional, spot check walls and insulation with a moisture meter, should not be over 25% moisture levels, find someone with a super sense of smell and ask them if your house smells the least bit musty. Have mold tests run on your home, but spores are NOT the main problem, they will tell you how much mold you have over background (what is in the air outside the house, should be tested too on the same day for comparision). All sources of VOCs in his environment must be removed. All cleaning products, all scented products, all carpets, all soft plastics -- some people end up in a completely tiled trailer in the middle of Snow Flake Arizona they are so sensitive, it can progress. == http://www.fieldcontrols.com/rpt.uv.html The National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine reports that exposure to indoor pollutants is a key contributor to the asthma problems of this nation. * Most allergy and asthma sources are passed from person to person through the air. * The air in a single room can contain hundreds of thousands of infectious bacteria, viruses, fungal spores, and contaminants, which can only be seen with a microscope. Subscribe to OUR TOXIC TIMES, the best source of current info I know of, ask for pertinent back issues or other helpful info. This is a HUGE learning curve but asthma can kill on short notice. It is obviously worth it. REVERSING ASTHMA by Richard Firshein, DO is an excellent primer on asthma and how to prevent triggers in your environment. Good Luck! Garnet More Info from the Internet: == http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byorg/abbey/an/an23/an23-7/an23-702.html One book that everyone should have access to has just appeared in print: Guidelines on Assessment and Remediation of Fungi in Indoor Environments, available
Re: CSAsthma
I would say yes, but I'm only speaking from my experience and I'm not a doctor. My allergist was a teacher also, and taught me to be my own sleuth when it casme to what would trigger asthma. things that contain mold spores are not only cheese, but anything fermented and even food that is more than two days old. That means watch out for leftovers. Sally Sharon Cooper tala...@teleport.com wrote: That was the second opinion. I suppose I could get a third but I think that I will get a similar line with all the allopathic docs. They seem to think that because they have reduced the dose on inhaled steroids it is o.k. to take them longer. I just had a discussion with DH and we both think we can link all the attacks to episodes of mold exposure. Does this mean he should also avoid foods made with mold such as cheeses? Sharon On Nov 22, 2004, at 2:16 PM, Sally Khanna wrote: My son had asthma really bad for awhile. The doctor we had was really good, and I had to go to the school he attended and get dust from thier vacuum cleaner (this was nore than 15 years ago). They must have thought I was nuts!But it turned out, he was allgeric to the dust and had to leave the school. I tell you, it was worth it, because he regained his health. the doctor only used steroids as an absolute last resort and I really appreciated that. Seven years seems like a terribly long time, have you thought about getting a second opinion? Sally Sharon Cooper wrote: Changing her diet how? I am wondering what she might be eating that could cause asthma. I have been worried about my 2yo because he had three asthma attacks ( one really bad one ) and they want me to put him on steroids for the next 7 years. Seems excessive to me and if there is a possiblity of keeping him healthy without I'd like to hear it. THanks Sharon On Nov 21, 2004, at 10:41 PM, John Rigby wrote: At 02:14 PM 21/11/04, you wrote: I am having a terrible time with asthma, none of the traditonal medications are working, if this something CS could help. I think all the antibiotics have caused more and more allergies which have worsened my asthma, my lungs are extremely enlarged, but very constricted bronchil tubes. I am on two inhalors and prednisone, I ! fought the prednisone, but it was an emergy situation. I am already dealing with MS, Lymes, and the chonic antibiotic resistant kidney infection. I have appreciated all the information supplied by many of you. Thanks, Joni Lovegrove Joni, PLEASE try changing your diet as a critical first step. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Do you Yahoo!? Discover all thats new inMy Yahoo! - Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! Get yours free!
Re: CSAsthma
Most fragrances have pthlates in them. Even vinegar is a lung irritant. Formaldehyde is in many household substances and in carpets, particularly the padding, paints are loaded with VOCs unless you buy a safer pain. Mastiks under tile or vinyl floors never stop outgassing. There are so many sources it is almost impossible to even build non-toxic but it can be done. Will cost 30% more at least, materials must be shipped and stored away from toxic materials or they will adsorb chems. Just be glad you are not ultra sensitive, like some Multiple Chemical Sensitivity sufferers and must live in a tiled trailer with nothing and I do mean nothing more than very old outgassed materials, most of these folks can not read their own mail, own electronic applicances that are impregnated with pesticides, that includes your computer! Buy a MacIntosh, at least they are more contained. Use an air filter in eveyroom, be sure you calculate square footage accurately and buy enough filters to efficiently filter your air. Buy a personal dry sauna to detox daily. It must heat to 109* to get oil glands to dump. Do liver detox frequently. Eat ONLY pure organically grown food, or better yet grow your own. Drink ONLY distilled water (www.wholesalewaterdistillers.com has a $99 unit that works like a charm). Bake out anything that you suspect has chems including clothes. Never wear clothes before they have been detoxed they are full of formaldehyde. Never buy wrinkle free cotton, it is impregnated with formaldehyde and you can not get it out. Learn about Environmental Illness. Debra Dadd has some good source books on where to buy toxin free products and how to assess your house for sources. NONTOXIC, NATURAL AND EARTHWISE is an older book of hers you might find in a used books store. Or ask the library to order it on inter-library loan, they can get any book through this program and it is usually free, you can keep the book for 3 weeks, they will tell you two but call and ask for an extention after the first two are up. Study Baubiology and Non-toxic building for more sources in your home. Welcome to Twentieth Century Disease. smile Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 07:35, Joni Lovegrove wrote: The email below was also very helpful to me, I have noticed that cleaning agents with ammonia really set me off, but even vinegar is a trigger, so I mostly have to rely on my husband to clean anything requiring ammonia and I leave the house, scrubbing bubbles seem to be the worst culprit. I have had to quit going to saloon to get my hair cut, the smell of amonia and artificial nail cemet is horrible. I am working on cutting sugar out of my diet, but there are so many food items that have added sugar, you have to be really careful even when you have made the effort not to add sugar to anything. I hadn't thought about cosmetics, especially lipstick, most of my cosmetics are fragrance free, but I must admit I haven't' checked the labels. What about cat liter? We keep it in the basement, but it seems to be a bigger trigger than the cat? I can not go into the basement? You mentioned air fresheners, very interesting, I have noticed that when my husband tries to cover up some of the odor from the liter box, it only makes my breathing worse. Thanks joni Original Message Follows From: John Rigby jrig...@fablor.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAsthma Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:14:19 +1000 At 04:03 AM 23/11/04, you wrote: Changing her diet how? I am wondering what she might be eating that could cause asthma. I have been worried about my 2yo because he had three asthma attacks ( one really bad one ) and they want me to put him on steroids for the next 7 years. Seems excessive to me and if there is a possiblity of keeping him healthy without I'd like to hear it. THanks Sharon Hi Sharon, First - I have no medical licence - I can only repeat observed results - called anecdotal legally. 1. Has he been vaccinated? If so, did the first occur soon after the incursion? 2. There is no practical evidence for the use of steroids except for - like most antibiotics - their anaesthetic effect on the system ( like getting and staying drunk). Their extreme damage potential even to fully grown adults is horrendous. 3. Was the child breastfed? If not, the immune system is already severely compromised. One should try to not introduce any further dangerous substances to the child. 4. You need to research how babies are NATURALLY weaned and whatever you do, do not feed the child any manufactured/processed foods at all. Especially do not feed the child milk, unless it is yours. 5. The list of modern foods that cause the symptoms called asthma is vast. Baby foods are amongst the worse concoctions you can force down their little throats. Then you start on environmental chemicals. A very common cause of childhood
Re: CSAsthma
Joni, Have you tried using a vinegar solution for cleaning? It's very effective and might not affect you as much. Sally Joni Lovegrove haw...@msn.com wrote: The email below was also very helpful to me, I have noticed that cleaning agents with ammonia really set me off, but even vinegar is a trigger, so I mostly have to rely on my husband to clean anything requiring ammonia and I leave the house, scrubbing bubbles seem to be the worst culprit. I have had to quit going to saloon to get my hair cut, the smell of amonia and artificial nail cemet is horrible. I am working on cutting sugar out of my diet, but there are so many food items that have added sugar, you have to be really careful even when you have made the effort not to add sugar to anything. I hadn't thought about cosmetics, especially lipstick, most of my cosmetics are fragrance free, but I must admit I haven't' checked the labels. What about cat liter? We keep it in the basement, but it seems to be a bigger trigger than the cat? I can not go into the basement? You mentioned air fresheners, very interesting, I have noticed that when my husband tries to cover up some of the odor from the liter box, it only makes my breathing worse. Thanks joni Original Message Follows From: John Rigby Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAsthma Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:14:19 +1000 At 04:03 AM 23/11/04, you wrote: Changing her diet how? I am wondering what she might be eating that could cause asthma. I have been worried about my 2yo because he had three asthma attacks ( one really bad one ) and they want me to put him on steroids for the next 7 years. Seems excessive to me and if there is a possiblity of keeping him healthy without I'd like to hear it. THanks Sharon Hi Sharon, First - I have no medical licence - I can only repeat observed results - called anecdotal legally. 1. Has he been vaccinated? If so, did the first occur soon after the incursion? 2. There is no practical evidence for the use of steroids except for - like most antibiotics - their anaesthetic effect on the system ( like getting and staying drunk). Their extreme damage potential even to fully grown adults is horrendous. 3. Was the child breastfed? If not, the immune system is already severely compromised. One should try to not introduce any further dangerous substances to the child. 4. You need to research how babies are NATURALLY weaned and whatever you do, do not feed the child any manufactured/processed foods at all. Especially do not feed the child milk, unless it is yours. 5. The list of modern foods that cause the symptoms called asthma is vast. Baby foods are amongst the worse concoctions you can force down their little throats. Then you start on environmental chemicals. A very common cause of childhood asthma is adult cosmetics - perfumes, hairspray, lipstick(quite deadly stuff in them today), so-called deodorants, which are usually vicious chemicals that attack ... nasal capability! 6. If the child is in nappies - what are they being washed in? Try using borax then triple rinse and finally a cup of CS in the last rinse. 7. Is the child distressed during/after bathing? If the water is warm 98F/37C, this can calm almost any state of a child. Chances are it is an adverse chemical reaction: Ammonia in the cleaners, ( remember Ammonia and some cleaning compounds used together are capable of making a pregnant women spontaneously abort) chemicals in the bath soap, so-called soothing rubs, baby oils. 8. Is the child getting some sunshine every day possible - especially not behind glass or wearing baby sunglasses. 9. Is the child being given ANYTHING with white sugar in it? ( 90% of all fast foods) Or hydrolised oil? ( Virtually ALL cheap supermarket oils) 10. Is the environment of the child stressed? A smiling but frightened mother is easily seen thru by a child who is working on pheremones to know what is going on. Are you using fake smells to cover other ones in the home? Auto room deodorizers and toilet ones are very dangerous to your health. It all sounds scary at once, but when it is a case of existing illness, then more effort is needed to determine what the cause is and to maximise the chances of early recovery. The only thing we cannot really regress - yet - is the damage done by vaccination. But tens of thousands of people are working all over the world to stop this insane practise through education. There is no way to stop the enormous moneymaking machine that it is, only to avoid getting caught up in it on a personal level. Just remember - while there is no cure for cancer inside the Medical Business - literally a million people have cured themselves simply by removing themselves from the causes. A simple natural diet and avoidance of these things highlighted and almost anything can be regressed. Cheers, Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for
Re: CSAsthma / Alternative to Chemical Cleaners
Zeolite is not adequate to adsorb VOCs Nenah, it helps but without the potassium iodide impregnated into the zeolite it will miss alot of formaldehyde, ammonia and other VOCs Aranizers produce Ozone (O3) which will depot in sheet rock. Ozone in small amounts will combine with other toxic VOCs in the air and make a more potent chemical cocktail. Ozone is toxic to humans, plants and animals. In minute amounts it is not so noticeable but when you consider the Total Load of toxins you are dealing with plus the above mentioned facts you are poisoning yourself. Sorry to be the harbinger of bad news Nina but this is something I am intimately familiar with as Neuro-pharmacologist and one who has been gravely ill, no pun intended, with MCS and EI. You must remember that we know NOTHING about the pharmacology of these substances in combination, NOTHING. No one tests this. The governement does not require it nor do they enforce the EPA and other legislation that requires toxicity testing of the millions of chemicals on the market. The mfgs certainly do not test volutarily and in most instances much prefer to pay the fines and court costs involved. It is simply factored into the cost of doing business and the expense is passed on to the unwitting consumer. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 07:50, Nenah Sylver wrote: - Original Message - From: Joni Lovegrove haw...@msn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: Re: CSAsthma ...I have noticed that cleaning agents with ammonia really set me off, but even vinegar is a trigger, so I mostly have to rely on my husband to clean anything requiring ammonia and I leave the house, scrubbing bubbles seem to be the worst culprit. I have had to quit going to saloon to get my hair cut, the smell of amonia and artificial nail cemet is horrible. Ammonia and hair salon chemicals are poisonous. The best cleaner I have ever had is Safer Cleaner, from http://www.thesafersolution.com/ It's made entirely from plants, enzymes, minerals, and amino acids. An electrical charge is imbued to make it stronger and able to engulf grease without causing any chemical reactions or undergoing any chemical reactions itself. The stuff is so safe, I can brush my teeth with it. I am working on cutting sugar out of my diet, but there are so many food items that have added sugar, you have to be really careful even when you have made the effort not to add sugar to anything. This is why I make my food from scratch. I hadn't thought about cosmetics, especially lipstick, most of my cosmetics are fragrance free, but I must admit I haven't' checked the labels. What about cat liter? We keep it in the basement, but it seems to be a bigger trigger than the cat? I can not go into the basement? You mentioned air fresheners, very interesting, I have noticed that when my husband tries to cover up some of the odor from the liter box, it only makes my breathing worse. I use Aranizers to clean the air. They are heavy duty, really work, and can be left on 24/7. For moisture control as well as a non-electric way to clean the air, I use bags containing chunks of zeolite, a natural mineral that absorbs moisture and odors. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD Holistic health products, supplements and services http://www.nenahsylver.com Author of newly released The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:FDA was silver is a legal food additive (used in bakery etc.)
Placebos can definitely work. I went to a drug store one time to get something that would help my wife with a problem she was having. The pharmacist said there was nothing for that. So I had him give me some sugar pills and put them in a bottle that said to take them for that problem. I gave them to my wife, and the problem went away completely after the first pill never to return. Marshall Sally Khanna wrote: Paul, thanks for the laugh for the day! Funny, but it's also sad. Sally Paul Holloway p.j.hollo...@btinternet.com wrote: This is the mentality of the FDA: Richard Bandler (the Neurolinguistic Programming guy) tried marketing a placebo, but predictably the FDA didn't like it. The following is from his book Time For A Change: You may have thought a placebo works because the person doesn't know it's a placebo. It works because of belief. In the USA we do an unusual thing. We test all drugs against placebos. That's what a double-blind test does. So we have more information on placebos than we have on all drugs put together. Robert Dilts and I had an idea. We decided to put out a product, tiny empty capsules, called Placebo. No side effects. Robert was my grad student at the time. He reviewed the research on standard problems like headaches. We made plans to publish a little booklet with an index. A person would look up headach! es and read, When tested against other drugs, placebos work five out of six times. Then it would say, Take seven when you have a headache. It's a sure thing. The FDA complained. They told us the effects would wear off. Placebo would lose its efficacy. We knew that could happen. Some people would not get the beliefs built in tenaciously the first time. We revealed our backup plan. NEW! PLACEBO PLUS! TWICE THE INERT INGREDIENTS! TWICE AS POWERFUL AS EVER BEFORE! Of course, drug companies run the FDA. So they wouldn't let us do it. They couldn't find any danger. The capsules were empty. There was nothing there. They told us this was illegal and immoral. Besides, they said, it will never work, so we won't let you do it. We had proved that it would work. We had decades of their experimental results from them. We also had our own results. My clients often knew a placebo when they got one. They still! do. I actually give them the ability to believe that it works because it is a placebo. I explain that since they already know it for a placebo, it will work forever. It does. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour --- Do you Yahoo!? Discover all thats new in My Yahoo!
Re: CSAsthma
It is not so much the mold as the VOCs, but avoiding eating molds is helpful when you are in a very sensitive mode. This means eating ONLY freshly cooked foods, no left overs at all. Mold can grow 10 million colonies in 24 hours at the proper humidity and temperature. Some molds grow in the arctic and at very low moisture levels. Allergies and Candida by Stephen Rochlitiz PhD (Physics) is and excllent source of information on avoiding mold allergies and the Candida overgrowth / dysbiosis that can come from immune suppression or meridian switching. He has test points and correction anyone can do at home to correct the switching. He says this is the difference between those who get deathly ill and may progress to chronic fatigue and other serious degenerative diseases and those who simply get a slight case of candida somewhere in the body. The book is out of print but Kind County Library (Seattle) has it and your library can request it on interlibrary loan. Dr Rochlitz does seminars and has a website that sells some products. I know this is too much information to absorb, so do take frequent breaks, breathe deeply and KNOW that you can make these changes over a period of time. Do NOT try to alter your lifestyle all at once. The stress and cortisol induction that will occur is further immune supressing and is known to induce allergies. Catch 22 Breathe In . . . . Breathe Out . . . . Breathe In Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 10:13, Sally Khanna wrote: I would say yes, but I'm only speaking from my experience and I'm not a doctor. My allergist was a teacher also, and taught me to be my own sleuth when it casme to what would trigger asthma. things that contain mold spores are not only cheese, but anything fermented and even food that is more than two days old. That means watch out for leftovers. Sally Sharon Cooper tala...@teleport.com wrote: That was the second opinion. I suppose I could get a third but I think that I will get a similar line with all the allopathic docs. They seem to think that because they have reduced the dose on inhaled steroids it is o.k. to take them longer. I just had a discussion with DH and we both think we can link all the attacks to episodes of mold exposure. Does this mean he should also avoid foods made with mold such as cheeses? Sharon On Nov 22, 2004, at 2:16 PM, Sally Khanna wrote: My son had asthma really bad for awhile. The doctor we had was really good, and I had to go to the school he attended and get dust from thier vacuum cleaner (this was nore than 15 years ago). They must have thought I was nuts!But it turned out, he was allgeric to the dust and had to leave ! the school. I tell you, it was worth it, because he regained his health. the doctor only used steroids as an absolute last resort and I really appreciated that. Seven years seems like a terribly long time, have you thought about getting a second opinion? Sally Sharon Cooper wrote: Changing her diet how? I am wondering what she might be eating that could cause asthma. I have been worried about my 2yo because he had three asthma attacks ( one really bad one ) and they want me to put him on steroids for the next 7 years. Seems excessive to me and if there is a possiblity of keeping him healthy without I'd like to hear it. THanks Sharon On Nov 21, 2004, at 10:41 PM, John Rigby wrote: At 02:14 PM 21/11/04, you wrote: I am having a terrible time! with asthma, none of the traditonal medications are working, if this something CS could help. I think all the antibiotics have caused more and more allergies which have worsened my asthma, my lungs are extremely enlarged, but very constricted bronchil tubes. I am on two inhalors and prednisone, I ! fought the prednisone, but it was an emergy situation. I am already dealing with MS, Lymes, and the chonic antibiotic resistant kidney infection. I have appreciated all the information supplied by many of you. Thanks, Joni Lovegrove Joni, PLEASE try changing your diet as a critical first step. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsub! scribing are posted
Re: CSAsthma
We've started using a product called Feline Pine. It is entirely made from white pine. Comes in little pellets that get dissolved by the acid in the cat pee, ending up with saw dust. The pine completely neutralizes the urine smell. You do get more smell from the solids - but scooping those out solves the problem. No deoderizes, no silica dust as you get from traditional kitty litter. My lungs are so much happier since we changed to this product. Its also been great for my flowers - I use the saw dust to fertilize them. Have never had more beautiful flowers. It takes the cats a while to adjust to the new product, but both our cats are very happy, and the bag carries instructions as to how to help them adjust. Some Wal-Mart's carry this brand, some grocery stores, some Targets. You can go to http://www.naturesearth.com for more information and to find out what retailers in your state carry the product. Joy What about cat liter? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Silver Breeze
I would not combine DMSO and H2O2 since DMSO is an anti-oxidant and H2O2 is an oxidizing agent - they would simply nullify each other. I would also be cautious about consuming DMSO mixed with flavorings. At this point I only combine it with CS made with distilled water that I make myself from pure well water, I know what is in there because I have the well water tested for organics and inorganics. Although I might orally consume DMSO-extracted pure organic herbs after carefully reseraching that the herb would not be harmful were it to cross the blood brain barrier which DMSO does by pass. Garnet On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 11:53, Ed Kasper wrote: a few posts ago there was a discussion regarding Hulda Clarks product combining colloidal silver and H2O2. Should / Could DMSO be added to that as well. Maybe scented with ginger or peppermint ? Ed -Original Message- Hulda Clark just came out with this stuff Silver Breeze. Its ingredients are Silver Hydrogen Peroxide. It comes in a spay bottle.You use it like you would use a can of disenfectant.Is there any paticular way of mixing these two ingrediants together ? It sounds good. www.drclark.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAsthma
Does the product have a pine oil odor? Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 10:45, Joy wrote: We've started using a product called Feline Pine. It is entirely made from white pine. Comes in little pellets that get dissolved by the acid in the cat pee, ending up with saw dust. The pine completely neutralizes the urine smell. You do get more smell from the solids - but scooping those out solves the problem. No deoderizes, no silica dust as you get from traditional kitty litter. My lungs are so much happier since we changed to this product. Its also been great for my flowers - I use the saw dust to fertilize them. Have never had more beautiful flowers. It takes the cats a while to adjust to the new product, but both our cats are very happy, and the bag carries instructions as to how to help them adjust. Some Wal-Mart's carry this brand, some grocery stores, some Targets. You can go to http://www.naturesearth.com for more information and to find out what retailers in your state carry the product. Joy What about cat liter? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCilantro [Re: CSmercury and heavy metals]
Cilantro, the cooking herb chelates mercury. This was discovered serendipitously by a practitioner who was treating someone who was eating a lot of soup made with cilantro. There is a protocol published on the web. google cilantro +mercury You can buy cilantro extract, make your own tincture, or just eats lots of it. It grows very fast so you can grow your own in pots on the patio, or in a warm sunny window. Some people are sensitive to cilantro so start with a small amount. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 09:35, Marshall Dudley wrote: No, try IP6. Marshall Betsy Coffey wrote: Does CS remove mercury or heavy metals? Does it work as a detox agent for other things besides heavy metals? __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIs electrolysis noisy?
Hi Matthew, I suspect that you have discovered a pretty good random number generator. You have set up a classic 50% source and 50% load impedance system and the minute changes in the surface area of the electrodes will be changing as the anions and cations are formed, causing variations in the impedance of the cell, thus the current. The use of true current regulation rather than simply limiting current with a resistor should effectively eliminate this effect to a degree depending on the gain/bandwidth of the circuit. Best regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Matthew McCann To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 1:39 PM Subject: CSIs electrolysis noisy? I use a critically damped analog microammeter to monitor the electrolysis current, and a rheostat set to match the (initial) interelectrode resistance to limit the current. I notice that when shut off the current at the end of a brewing cycle and turn it on again, the current reading bounces around for many cycles. My microammeter oscillates at a rate of roughly 2 hertz. Investigators of electrolysis in corrosion phenomena sometimes make use of the noise in electrolysis current, to extract more information about what's happening at the electrodes' surfaces. Has anybody tried using headphones, or earphones to listen to the EIS as it is being generated? Thanks in advance for your input! Matthew -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.1 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.1 - Release Date: 11/19/2004
Re: CSAsthma and Litter Boxes
In a message dated 11/23/04 8:37:36 AM EST, haw...@msn.com writes: I have noticed that when my husband tries to cover up some of the odor from the liter box, it only makes my breathing worse. You can resolve this very easily -- sprinkle a thin layer of Arm Hammer baking soda in the bottom of the litter box, before adding new litter. At one time, I had to have my cat's litter box in the (very small) den where I watched TV. Even though I sat a few feet away from that litter box, I could never smell cat urine. I did take the added precaution of buying a litter box with a cover -- but the baking soda does a remarkable job. MA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSA combo, CS CZ?
Hi Pete, I like the CS gargled for 2 minutes swallowed every 1 hour; plus mist in eyes ears, plus fill nostrils with head lowered according to these directions. Plus use Zinc Lozenges in between. Hopefully this would even speed up to 1 day suffering treating; however, continue CS several times a day misting on a daily basis to prevent recurrence. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: bbanever [mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:56 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSA combo, CS CZ? PanAmPete, There isn't any need to mix zinc and silver. Silver alone does the job... at the first sign of a cold and sore throat gargle with CS and use it to cleanse your sinus cavities as well. Put half a dropper full in each nostril as you lie on your back with your head over the edge. Turn gently from side to side for about 3 minutes. Repeat this process 4-5 times a day and your cold/sore throat should disappear in 1-2 days. - Original Message - From: panamp...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:00 AM Subject: CSA combo, CS CZ? I am curious if one made and mixed Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Zinc, would not that make a viable solution to fight Viruses and bacteria? If so, what pro- portion would one use? I know that zinc is great in fighting colds sore throats. Pete
CStea tree oil and ozone
I use a cleaner with tea tree oil that I get from the health food store and it doesnt bother my allergies at all. I had a question about ozone. Someone posted that it is toxic. They use ozone to clean the smells alike tobacco in motel rooms now. Is this toxic? Or, are you referring to something else? Some doctors are now also using it. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:Re: CSMilk Expriment
Typically EIS is 80 to 90% ionic silver and 10 - 20% colloidal silver. Ionic silver are silver ions (atoms with one or more electrons missing) which when made with distilled water are associated with the OH- radical. It is highly reactive, reacting with table salt for instance to produce silver chloride. Colloidal silver are clumps of silver atoms 2 to several thousand, which remain suspended in the water via thermal agitation, and by virtue of have a charge on them, which is commonly called the zeta potential. Marshall William Amos wrote: Marshall: Could you identify the difference between EIS Colloidal Silver Ionic Silver Thanks Bill Amos -- OK, I have more information on the milk experiment. This is where we stand now: 1. Plain milk - 42 hours 2. EIS added - 51 hours 3. EIS with a pinch of salt added - 42 hours 4. Ionic silver added - 60 hours 5. colloidal silver added - 41 hours 6. EIS + H2O2 added - 60 hours and still liquid Will post again when the EIS + H2O2 #6 starts clabbering. I believe the earlier clabbering of #5 is due to the milk being a day older and thus having a higher starting bacteria count. Marshall Marshall Dudley wrote: OK, I have started the milk experiment. I have some preliminary results, but am surprised at the results. Here is the test setup: 1. Milk stated out initially at about 2 C. (35 F). 2. ambient temperature is 20 C (69 F). 3. 2 oz. of 2% milk was added to all the glasses. 4. one teaspoon (.167 oz) of test substance was added to each glass, except the first one. 5. The first 3 glasses were slightly larger diameter than the last 3. 6. The ionic has about 1/2 the ion content of the original EIS and about 1/14 the particle content of the original EIS and was generated via freezing. Here are the results thus far, times are length of time to clabbering, longer is better: 1. Plain milk - 42 hours 2. EIS added - 51 hours 3. EIS with a pinch of salt added - 42 hours 4. Ionic silver added - 60 hours 5. colloidal silver added - not yet clabbered but stated 24 hours later 6. EIS + H2O2 added - same as 5 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSIs electrolysis noisy?
Hello, Arnold, I replaced my current regulation circuit with a Thevenin element with the Thevenin resistance matching load resistance, with the idea of doing wheatstone bridge-type potentiometry later on. The rheostat proved so convenient to set the scale of the microammeter, I decided to stick with current limitation instead of current regulation. The latter may give more uniformity in particulate size, but who knows whether size uniformity is better or worse for product potency? Keeping the current low (500 uA) keeps the size range low anyway. As you note, there is a trade-off. Current regulation makes a more uniform product. But current limitation makes transients measurable that may help elucidate processes occurring at the electrodes. I like the latter feature more because it is more of a research-grade circuit. There is a relatively new research method called Electrochemical Impedance Spectroscopy (abbreviated EIS, by coincidence) that is used to investigate electrolytic phenomena, especially corrosion phenomena, based on frequency response ranging from 1 millihertz to 100 kilohertz, which includes audible tones. Sophisticated analysis of the noise-laden current leads to equivalent RLC circuits that reveal quite a bit about what's happening at and near the electrodes. Ordinary people cannot afford the specialized apparatus used for Electrochemical Impedance Spectroscopy, but the human ear is a marvelous instrument and maybe could detect a lot. Noisy signals can contain a large amount of useful information - a good example is star static, the nuisance RFI that became Radio Astronomy. Best regards, Matthew
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone
Ozone is toxic to plants and animals, including humans. The toxic dose is higher than most ozone generating air filters. But the problem is that even at low concentrations it can be adsorbed by sheet rock and concentrate there, where it can being to out gas and affect those in the room. Some treatments involve removing plants, animals and people from the rooms, these involve higher concentration of ozone and these are at higher risk of adsorping into the sheet rock. As well even in very low concentrations ozone can combine with other chemicals and form more toxic compounds. It depends on what is in the air you are breathing with the low concentrations of ozone. The bottom line is that ozone is not a safe substance to play around with if you do not know exactly what is in the air and the concentration of ozone in that air. This information is not widely acknowledged or even known. Most people selling ozone generating machines or services just go by what the manufacturers tell them. They do not have the technical training to check it out for themselves. Nor do they even know it is something that needs to be investigated. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 13:07, Betsy Coffey wrote: I use a cleaner with tea tree oil that I get from the health food store and it doesnt bother my allergies at all. I had a question about ozone. Someone posted that it is toxic. They use ozone to clean the smells alike tobacco in motel rooms now. Is this toxic? Or, are you referring to something else? Some doctors are now also using it. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAsthma
Not really - frankly I haven't noticed any odor at all, other than when solids needs to be scooped out. Joy Garnet wrote: Does the product have a pine oil odor? Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAsthma and Litter Boxes
That can help take care of the smell, but it still doesn't resolve the dust from the litter, even with a cover, which we also used. Whenever cats scratch to cover their bsiness, it raises dust from the litter into the air, is full of silica and other chemicals, very unhealthy for anyone's lungs - including the cats - and fairly common trigger for those of us who have struggled with asthma. Joy You can resolve this very easily -- sprinkle a thin layer of Arm Hammer baking soda in the bottom of the litter box, before adding new litter. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNutrition and Physical Degeneration
I have been reading Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston Price. He felt that rather than look exclusively at the sick and diseased and what could be done to help them, he should look at the healthy and what made them that way. He studied isolated people who were just starting to be affected by the world commercial civilization. This book is supremely depressing on one hand yet gives hope on the other. Depressing, in that he chronicles the degeneration of the native people as they stray from their native diets and lifestyles and adopt that easier commercial diet and lifestyle which causes physical degeneration and disease because of its deficiencies. The misery caused by dental disease alone is shocking. Hopeful, in that he shows that isolated people without much modern medical care and living on simple diets can thrive and be extremely healthy, having high resistance to many diseases and apparently few, if any, degenerative diseases. On reading the Silver List postings, one is struck by the multitude of postings by sick people and the often bizarre and extreme symptoms and illnesses that they have. Considering this, one wonders if one is making a mistake in the approach. Condemning modern medicine as allopathic, ie treating only symptoms, yet at the same time, we adopt the same paradigm, searching for a silver bullet, a special substance to cure us. Occasionally, we hear from someone such as John Rigby, like 'a voice crying out in the wilderness,' exhorting us to make diet and lifestyle changes that would affect the cause of disease and immunity rather than treating its symptoms. While I do not agree completely with John's insistence on vegetarianism (which, in my view, is philosophically rather than factually based, and is not born out by Weston Price's research) this approach does seems to be actually curative of disease. That is, health is mostly based on proper nutrition - and we are not really eating the right stuff. Along with that is the problem of eating things which are not really good for us but taste so good, such as refined and processed flour, sugars, and oils; literally 'junk' foods. As one who has had this diet to a certain extent, and also displays some of the degeneration he identifies with respect to dental arch, crowded and decayed teeth (albeit with fillings and crowns), and a not particularly robust constitution, the start of some degenerative disease such as (mild) arthritis etc, and a lover of sweet things, refined foods, alcohol, stimulants, etc this is a problem* -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNutrition and Physical Degeneration
Yes, I heard that you can strengthen the host so much (build up your immune system) that the viruses, etc. have nothing to feed on and go dormant. - Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! Get yours free!
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity
- Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:49 PM Subject: Re: CStea tree oil and ozone Ozone is toxic to plants and animals, including humans. The toxic dose is higher than most ozone generating air filters. But the problem is that even at low concentrations it can be adsorbed by sheet rock and concentrate there, where it can being to out gas and affect those in the room. Some treatments involve removing plants, animals and people from the rooms, these involve higher concentration of ozone and these are at higher risk of adsorping into the sheet rock. As well even in very low concentrations ozone can combine with other chemicals and form more toxic compounds. It depends on what is in the air you are breathing with the low concentrations of ozone. The bottom line is that ozone is not a safe substance to play around with if you do not know exactly what is in the air and the concentration of ozone in that air. This information is not widely acknowledged or even known. Most people selling ozone generating machines or services just go by what the manufacturers tell them. They do not have the technical training to check it out for themselves. Nor do they even know it is something that needs to be investigated. Garnet Garnet, I generally love your posts and respect your considerable knowledge, but I have to vehemently disagree with your stance on ozone. Time constraints prevent me from writing as much as I'd like. But briefly, if ozone were toxic, it would not be used as an approved and SUCCESSFUL medical therapy in Europe and other locations. I have medical grade ozone equipment obtained from Plasmafire in Canada and use it for many purposes. When ozone is inhaled through olive oil (or tea tree and other essential oils), an entirely new compound is created. THIS IS VERY HEALING FOR THE LUNGS. Insufflated through the ears, ozone helps clear sinus infections, ear infections, and the brain fog of candida. Insufflated through the vagina, ozone gets into the lymph system and helps clear out toxins. Ozone scavenges toxins. In the proper amounts it does not harm normal, healthy tissue. The myth that ozone is toxic is based on studies done over 50 years ago that never distinguished between PURE ozone and CONTAMINATED ozone -- i.e., ozone that was **combined with pollutants.** The pollutants were produced when ozone was made improperly, period. And, it was the pollutants that were toxic, NOT THE OZONE ITSELF. There is some great documentation about this in Appendix A of my new book on sauna therapy. Ozone must be used properly and in the right concentrations. Of course it will irritate your lungs if it's at too high a concentration -- but that doesn't mean ozone is toxic. Carrot juice will turn your skin orange if you drink IT at too high a concentration; but it doesn't mean that carrot juice is poisonous, it just means that you need to know how much to ingeset! Ozone has proven tremendously healing for me and for many, many others with whom I have personal contact. I urge the more openminded of you to see for yourself what this amazing therapy can do. For more information, you can join the Oxyplus list at Yahoo. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD Holistic health products, supplements and services http://www.nenahsylver.com Author of newly released The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIs electrolysis noisy?
Well, I continue to learn something new almost every day. I would have it no other way If you wish to keep a constant current and still observe impedance variations within the cell you could AC couple after the regulation into op amps. Then into your sound card. You could then listen to it or save the waveforms and look for some correlations. I'm going to look into this. Thanks for the info. Best regards, Arnold Beland - Original Message - From: Matthew McCann To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: CSIs electrolysis noisy? Hello, Arnold, I replaced my current regulation circuit with a Thevenin element with the Thevenin resistance matching load resistance, with the idea of doing wheatstone bridge-type potentiometry later on. The rheostat proved so convenient to set the scale of the microammeter, I decided to stick with current limitation instead of current regulation. The latter may give more uniformity in particulate size, but who knows whether size uniformity is better or worse for product potency? Keeping the current low (500 uA) keeps the size range low anyway. As you note, there is a trade-off. Current regulation makes a more uniform product. But current limitation makes transients measurable that may help elucidate processes occurring at the electrodes. I like the latter feature more because it is more of a research-grade circuit. There is a relatively new research method called Electrochemical Impedance Spectroscopy (abbreviated EIS, by coincidence) that is used to investigate electrolytic phenomena, especially corrosion phenomena, based on frequency response ranging from 1 millihertz to 100 kilohertz, which includes audible tones. Sophisticated analysis of the noise-laden current leads to equivalent RLC circuits that reveal quite a bit about what's happening at and near the electrodes. Ordinary people cannot afford the specialized apparatus used for Electrochemical Impedance Spectroscopy, but the human ear is a marvelous instrument and maybe could detect a lot. Noisy signals can contain a large amount of useful information - a good example is star static, the nuisance RFI that became Radio Astronomy. Best regards, Matthew -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.1 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.1 - Release Date: 11/19/2004
CSRe:Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxic
Ozone (O3) can combine with hydrogen (H) and Nitrogen (N) in the atmosphere and form small concentrations of Nitric Acid (HNO3). under the right conditions. Bill Amos -- Nenah, I made it very clear that in low concentrations ozone by itself is not toxic. Please include all of my statements when replying to what I post. I will repeat myself, ozone used in air filters or in higher concentrations to treat houses can adsorb in sheet rock and out gas over a period of time where it can mix with various impurities in the air there by forming unknown chemical cocktails. We do know that ozone can make some compounds toxic. It is not a safe substance for most people to be using. It is a very reaction compound. And it can be very risky. Personally I will not use it. But then I tend to be rather cautious. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 16:26, Nenah Sylver wrote: - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:49 PM Subject: Re: CStea tree oil and ozone Ozone is toxic to plants and animals, including humans. The toxic dose is higher than most ozone generating air filters. But the problem is that even at low concentrations it can be adsorbed by sheet rock and concentrate there, where it can being to out gas and affect those in the room. Some treatments involve removing plants, animals and people from the rooms, these involve higher concentration of ozone and these are at higher risk of adsorping into the sheet rock. As well even in very low concentrations ozone can combine with other chemicals and form more toxic compounds. It depends on what is in the air you are breathing with the low concentrations of ozone. The bottom line is that ozone is not a safe substance to play around with if you do not know exactly what is in the air and the concentration of ozone in that air. This information is not widely acknowledged or even known. Most people selling ozone generating machines or services just go by what the manufacturers tell them. They do not have the technical training to check it out for themselves. Nor do they even know it is something that needs to be investigated. Garnet Garnet, I generally love your posts and respect your considerable knowledge, but I have to vehemently disagree with your stance on ozone. Time constraints prevent me from writing as much as I'd like. But briefly, if ozone were toxic, it would not be used as an approved and SUCCESSFUL medical therapy in Europe and other locations. I have medical grade ozone equipment obtained from Plasmafire in Canada and use it for many purposes. When ozone is inhaled through olive oil (or tea tree and other essential oils), an entirely new compound is created. THIS IS VERY HEALING FOR THE LUNGS. Insufflated through the ears, ozone helps clear sinus infections, ear infections, and the brain fog of candida. Insufflated through the vagina, ozone gets into the lymph system and helps clear out toxins. Ozone scavenges toxins. In the proper amounts it does not harm normal, healthy tissue. The myth that ozone is toxic is based on studies done over 50 years ago that never distinguished between PURE ozone and CONTAMINATED ozone -- i.e., ozone that was **combined with pollutants.** The pollutants were produced when ozone was made improperly, period. And, it was the pollutants that were toxic, NOT THE OZONE ITSELF. There is some great documentation about this in Appendix A of my new book on sauna therapy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMilk Expriment
Ok, it is now 68 hours and counting, and the milk with EIS with a few drops of H2O2 added is still liquid, and does not even smell like it is souring. This may take a LONG time. At any rate, it does seem to confirm the increased effectiveness of adding H2O2 to the EIS. I wish I had done one with just H2O2 now for a control. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSsore throats
For sore throats, peroxide in each ear for 15 min. each and the sore throat is gone in 30 min. flat. Nearly always. pj __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAsthma
From my personal experience: Soya sauce, vinegars, any store juices (freshly squeezed are OK), some spices (black pepper for example), food additives like MSG and the newer inosinates and sodium guanylate, dried fruit and peanut butter. I only react to blue cheeses, thankfully. An exclusion diet for a while then reintroducing suspect foods one by one is the only practical way to find out for sure. Paul H - Original Message - From: Sally Khanna To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:13 PM Subject: Re: CSAsthma I would say yes, but I'm only speaking from my experience and I'm not a doctor. My allergist was a teacher also, and taught me to be my own sleuth when it casme to what would trigger asthma. things that contain mold spores are not only cheese, but anything fermented and even food that is more than two days old. That means watch out for leftovers. Sally Sharon Cooper tala...@teleport.com wrote: That was the second opinion. I suppose I could get a third but I think that I will get a similar line with all the allopathic docs. They seem to think that because they have reduced the dose on inhaled steroids it is o.k. to take them longer. I just had a discussion with DH and we both think we can link all the attacks to episodes of mold exposure. Does this mean he should also avoid foods made with mold such as cheeses? Sharon
CSIs electrolysis noisy?
Hello, Arthur, Thanks for the idea about using opamps to gain the advantages of both types of current control. The opamp is certainly a versatile device for applications like this. I'll look into it further, too. Incidentally, the analogy with radioastronomy could be pursued further, perhaps. The extraction of useful information from static has been incorporated into a comprehensive signal-processing software package developed and supported by the NSF. It's called AIPS, is openly source-coded and freely available under the GNU-type license. It has already being adapted to biomedical imaging aplications. Best regards, Matthew
CSConstant Currant CS
Can some of you help me to build a Constant Currant Colloidal Silver maker (not with Batterie) Is it a difficult job? I have a very simple CS maker and use it with distilled Water. But the quality is not up to standard and I would like to improve. Any suggestions? Are most of you buying it? Which one? Johannes -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNutrition and Physical Degeneration
On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 15:53, Dan Nave wrote: Considering this, one wonders if one is making a mistake in the approach. Condemning modern medicine as allopathic, ie treating only symptoms, yet at the same time, we adopt the same paradigm, searching for a silver bullet, a special substance to cure us. Not really, because silver is a normal constituent of the human body and is a trace mineral. It is not an allopathic or symptomatic agent but a nutrient that many are not acquiring in the Standard American Diet. It is like many other nutrients that are missing because of factory farming and imbalanced diets. Many of the nutrients that are missing and resulting in degnerative diseases are minerals. Magnesium and Silicon come to mind. Both are implicated in Thyroid, Immune System and other disorders. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity
Nenah, I made it very clear that in low concentrations ozone by itself is not toxic. Please include all of my statements when replying to what I post. I will repeat myself, ozone used in air filters or in higher concentrations to treat houses can adsorb in sheet rock and out gas over a period of time where it can mix with various impurities in the air there by forming unknown chemical cocktails. We do know that ozone can make some compounds toxic. It is not a safe substance for most people to be using. It is a very reaction compound. And it can be very risky. Personally I will not use it. But then I tend to be rather cautious. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 16:26, Nenah Sylver wrote: - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:49 PM Subject: Re: CStea tree oil and ozone Ozone is toxic to plants and animals, including humans. The toxic dose is higher than most ozone generating air filters. But the problem is that even at low concentrations it can be adsorbed by sheet rock and concentrate there, where it can being to out gas and affect those in the room. Some treatments involve removing plants, animals and people from the rooms, these involve higher concentration of ozone and these are at higher risk of adsorping into the sheet rock. As well even in very low concentrations ozone can combine with other chemicals and form more toxic compounds. It depends on what is in the air you are breathing with the low concentrations of ozone. The bottom line is that ozone is not a safe substance to play around with if you do not know exactly what is in the air and the concentration of ozone in that air. This information is not widely acknowledged or even known. Most people selling ozone generating machines or services just go by what the manufacturers tell them. They do not have the technical training to check it out for themselves. Nor do they even know it is something that needs to be investigated. Garnet Garnet, I generally love your posts and respect your considerable knowledge, but I have to vehemently disagree with your stance on ozone. Time constraints prevent me from writing as much as I'd like. But briefly, if ozone were toxic, it would not be used as an approved and SUCCESSFUL medical therapy in Europe and other locations. I have medical grade ozone equipment obtained from Plasmafire in Canada and use it for many purposes. When ozone is inhaled through olive oil (or tea tree and other essential oils), an entirely new compound is created. THIS IS VERY HEALING FOR THE LUNGS. Insufflated through the ears, ozone helps clear sinus infections, ear infections, and the brain fog of candida. Insufflated through the vagina, ozone gets into the lymph system and helps clear out toxins. Ozone scavenges toxins. In the proper amounts it does not harm normal, healthy tissue. The myth that ozone is toxic is based on studies done over 50 years ago that never distinguished between PURE ozone and CONTAMINATED ozone -- i.e., ozone that was **combined with pollutants.** The pollutants were produced when ozone was made improperly, period. And, it was the pollutants that were toxic, NOT THE OZONE ITSELF. There is some great documentation about this in Appendix A of my new book on sauna therapy. Ozone must be used properly and in the right concentrations. Of course it will irritate your lungs if it's at too high a concentration -- but that doesn't mean ozone is toxic. Carrot juice will turn your skin orange if you drink IT at too high a concentration; but it doesn't mean that carrot juice is poisonous, it just means that you need to know how much to ingeset! Ozone has proven tremendously healing for me and for many, many others with whom I have personal contact. I urge the more openminded of you to see for yourself what this amazing therapy can do. For more information, you can join the Oxyplus list at Yahoo. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD Holistic health products, supplements and services http://www.nenahsylver.com Author of newly released The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMegaHydrate
Just wondering what list member's current opinions are about the effectiveness of Patrick Flanagan's Silica Hydride products such as MegaHydrate (he keeps changing the name: aka Microhydrin, MegaHydrin, MegaH, etc.) These are allegedly the world's most potent anti-oxidants and sources of hydrogen for cells. (For those who have never heard of his products, there is some info at www.flantech.com.) To keep this barely within topic, any opinions on the good, bad or indifferent results of a combination of his product with CS/EIS? Thanks, --Steve Y. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity
On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 16:26, Nenah Sylver wrote: Ozone must be used properly and in the right concentrations. Of course it will irritate your lungs if it's at too high a concentration -- but that doesn't mean ozone is toxic. Carrot juice will turn your skin orange if you drink IT at too high a concentration; but it doesn't mean that carrot juice is poisonous, it just means that you need to know how much to ingeset! The definition of toxic is that which is dangerous to health or injurious to life. In sufficient concentration pure ozone will kill plants, animals and humans. In combination with other substances the toxic dose is lower. Your statements about needing to know how much to ingest are confounding to your assertion that ozone is not toxic Nenah. Many substances are non-toxic at low doses or dosed alone but very toxic at higher doses or in combination. This point was well made in my original post but you seem to have chosen to ignore the specificity of the information I presented in order to present a different spin. That is what I mean about practitioners who really don't even know enough to know how to determine the toxicity of a practice. Check the Therapeutic Index and the LD 50 of ozone, that is if you even know how to look that up. If not then you are at great risk and so are your clients. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe:FDA was silver is a legal food additive (used in bakery etc.)
Great story, Paul! An acquaintance chortles: If you want to test efficacy, what do you use as a control for a placebo? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity
I'm having a hard time trying to figure out why there is an argument over the benefits/drawbacks to ozone. In my experience, the varied uses of ozone---as *recommended* by the purveyors of quality generators, are of incredible benefit. When Hurricane Floyd turned my basement (with carpeting) into a swimming pool, I purchased an Aranizer to deal with the inevitable mold that could/would follow such an event. Of course the carpeting was ripped up and thrown out asap, but that was no assurance that mold wasn't already growing behind walls and baseboards. The Aranizer saved my house, as far as I am concerned. There is someone who sleeps in this room and has no problems remotely related to mold. Then in 2001 I came down with Lyme disease. Since I already was aware of the potential long range effect, I used almost every measure ever heard of to make sure I got this bacteria out of my body. In addition to 4 weeks of Doxycycline, I used CS many times a day AND I got the highest quality ozonator known, the Plasmafire. I drank *properly* ozonated water several times a day, and I also used the recommended lowest setting to insufflate my ears daily. This ozonator was used in an open setting by an open window as I'd be a fool to let ozone build up in closed quarters. I'm convinced that ozone, used according to medically established recommendations, is a godsend for many infectious problems. As long as it's used in low doses and not breathed (other than through oil in a special device, designed to go with the generator) freely, then it shouldn't be controversial. I also recognize that ozone cannot be used carelessly as it certainly could be caustic! This is a healing modality to be used with care and respect, and above all, knowledge derived from study. Sharon Morrissey CNC From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 16:26, Nenah Sylver wrote: Ozone must be used properly and in the right concentrations. Of course it will irritate your lungs if it's at too high a concentration -- but that doesn't mean ozone is toxic. Carrot juice will turn your skin orange if you drink IT at too high a concentration; but it doesn't mean that carrot juice is poisonous, it just means that you need to know how much to ingeset! The definition of toxic is that which is dangerous to health or injurious to life. In sufficient concentration pure ozone will kill plants, animals and humans. In combination with other substances the toxic dose is lower. Your statements about needing to know how much to ingest are confounding to your assertion that ozone is not toxic Nenah. Many substances are non-toxic at low doses or dosed alone but very toxic at higher doses or in combination. This point was well made in my original post but you seem to have chosen to ignore the specificity of the information I presented in order to present a different spin. That is what I mean about practitioners who really don't even know enough to know how to determine the toxicity of a practice. Check the Therapeutic Index and the LD 50 of ozone, that is if you even know how to look that up. If not then you are at great risk and so are your clients. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFYI: CS in Washington Post archives
Recently filled out the on-line registration at http://www.washingtonpost.com , which allows for searching their archives back to 1877. Entering colloidal silver (quotation marks necessary), yields 2 free abstracts: *Feb 28, 1939 I get a good many letters asking about sinus disease, a bout its cause and whether or not it can, be cured. The answer to the latter question depends on what kind of sinus trouble is present and what sinus is involved. Nobody can answer the question dogmatically because it requires an examination by an experienced nose and throat man to determine the type and location... * Jan 23, 1944 I am a cold-susceptible person, and have not had a cold for more than three years. I used a sulfa spray or nose drops... There is a $2.95 fee per full article. The above two articles are in the 1877-1986 Historical section; there are 7 articles in the 1987-Present Current section that have mostly to do with FTC actions, 'unreasonable' product claims, etc. Didn't pay the fees, so don't know what's in the full texts. Interesting-looking abstract found by not using the quotation marks in the Search field: Oct 6, 1934 New York, Oct. 5 (AP). -- Recovery of the first actual gold and silver ever taken from sea water, tapping the storehouse of metal everywhere dissolved in ocean water, was announced here tonight by Dr. Willard H. Dow, of the Ethyl-Dow Chemical Co... Now THAT might be worth the $2.95! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 16:26, Nenah Sylver wrote: Garnet, I generally love your posts and respect your considerable knowledge, but I have to vehemently disagree with your stance on ozone. Love and respect are valuable to me Nenah and I thank you for that. But truth is my only interest here. I will give you a ten second warning that when you call me out you should know by now that I will not hold back in order to avoid hurting your feelings. This is not personal, it is purely professional. As I have stated to others I am an equal opportunity bull hockey caller. Time constraints prevent me from writing as much as I'd like. But briefly, if ozone were toxic, it would not be used as an approved and SUCCESSFUL medical therapy in Europe and other locations. Toxic as defined in Stedman's Medical Dictionary means poisonous. Poisonous is defined as injurious or dangerous to health. Even aspirin is an approved and successful medical therapy, this does not mean it has no toxicity. I have medical grade ozone equipment obtained from Plasmafire in Canada and use it for many purposes. When ozone is inhaled through olive oil (or tea tree and other essential oils), an entirely new compound is created. Do you know what that compound is? If not how do you know if it is toxic? Not all toxic effects are immediately apparent. Olive Oil is often not pure and may contain hexane or lye. How do you know that the olive oil you are using is actually pure -- do you have it assayed, do you know batch numbers in case there is a recall? Tee Tree oil if it is an inferior grade can contain toxic compounds -- again do you use assayed numbered batches? THIS IS VERY HEALING FOR THE LUNGS. Insufflated through the ears, ozone helps clear sinus infections, ear infections, and the brain fog of candida. Insufflated through the vagina, ozone gets into the lymph system and helps clear out toxins. Many substances have a therapeutic effect at low doses and are toxic at higher concentrations or when mixed with other substances. Ammonia and bleach come to mind. Used seprately in low concentrations they are very safe and even have therapeutic benefits in insect stings, the prevention of infection in wound care, and to sterilize water and objects. But in higher concentrations are toxic or when if safe levels are mixed will kill you because they release a very toxic chlorine gas. This is the nerve gas used during World War I to kill people. Ozone scavenges toxins. In the proper amounts it does not harm normal, healthy tissue. Ozone may scavenge toxins but it also produces toxins. What are the amounts that you consider proper Nenah. Do you even know the ppm of the treatments you administer? Or what blood levels they produce? If not then you are treading on very risky ground. The myth that ozone is toxic is based on studies done over 50 years ago Absolutely not true Nenah, there are many studies since the 50's that demonstrate toxic effects of pure ozone. See this is what I mean by practitioners who take someone else's word for the safety of a practice without actually doing their own checking -- you have simply demonstrated my point very well. Do you even know how to look up this information Nenah? If so why have you not done so. Here is one refernce for you: It is important to note that pulmonary toxicity has been observed in experimental animals after relatively short exposures to concentrations of ozone . . . (Lippmann, 1989) that never distinguished between PURE ozone and CONTAMINATED ozone -- i.e., ozone that was **combined with pollutants.** The pollutants were produced when ozone was made improperly, period. And, it was the pollutants that were toxic, NOT THE OZONE ITSELF. There is some great documentation about this in Appendix A of my new book on sauna therapy. It was the ozone itself. Here is another reference that you can find in most medical libraries and many public libraries. What are the citations in your new book Nenah. I would certainly like to see their data! Can you provide those references please? Ozone is a primary oxidant and thus is a lung irritant that is capable of causing __death from pulmonary edema__. Gross pulmonary edema is evident in mice exposed to concentrations above 2 ppm. Ozone causes desquamation of the epithelium throughout the ciliated airways and produces degenerative changes in type I cells and swelling or rupture of the capillary endothelium in the alveoli. The type I cells are later replaced by type II cells; this type II cell proliferation is a hallmark of ozone toxicity. . . . Chronic bronchitis, fibrosis, and emphysematous changes are observed in a variety of species exposed to ozone concentrations slightly above 1 ppm. Ozone at concentrations of 0.25 to 0.75 ppm causes shallow, rapid breathing, a decrease in pulmonary compliance . . . Ozone also increases the sensitivity of the lung to bronchoconstrictors . . . It increases the incidence of infection in
Re: CSMegaHydrate
Hi Steve, I have followed this extensively since 98. I have also had personal contact with Flanagan. These are evolutions of the same product. The Microhydrin name changed because of the legal battle with RBC. MegaHydrate has less H- compared to Megahydrin/MegaH, it may be the original Microhydrin formula that is not available anymore under that name. I had incredible experiences back in 99-02 with the original in terms of energy, cognitive expansion and overall wellbeing, this stuff made me feel normal while I still suffered from mercury poisoning from amalgam dental fillings (now removed) but had some really weird side effects with the new Megahydrin/MegaH formula, had a very synthetic feeling to it and it kept building up. The continued ingestion of the extremely low surfaced tension of the altered water can lead to forced intracellular hydration, this is also my experience from extended use of Flanagan's original water catalyst. I am yet to try the latest evolution of his product, where magnesium is used as a carrier of H- instead of silica. I believe it is only available in Europe through GOH, I dont understand why it has not yet been introduced in the US. Will let you know if I find out more about it. I am planning to test it next month. (I am in Denmark) Feel free to contact me privately about this, if you want more details. Regards, Ole - ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!
RE: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity
Garnet: No need to be sarcastic I think Nenah made her position very clear to thinking people She seemed to say exactly what you attempted to say in an effort to clarify her statement... Toxicity of nearly everything is dose related...didn't she say that? Didn't you say that? Even water is toxic at a high enough dose. Anyway, let's try to learn from each other...not cut them apart. I have always said that any statement presented is good...no matter how exotic or perhaps ridiculous. If everyone feels free to state their opinions...without your cutting them to shreds...then someone is going to learn something. The person who wrote the opinionor perhaps, even you. Dr. Kenney -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:02 PM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 16:26, Nenah Sylver wrote: Ozone must be used properly and in the right concentrations. Of course it will irritate your lungs if it's at too high a concentration -- but that doesn't mean ozone is toxic. Carrot juice will turn your skin orange if you drink IT at too high a concentration; but it doesn't mean that carrot juice is poisonous, it just means that you need to know how much to ingeset! The definition of toxic is that which is dangerous to health or injurious to life. In sufficient concentration pure ozone will kill plants, animals and humans. In combination with other substances the toxic dose is lower. Your statements about needing to know how much to ingest are confounding to your assertion that ozone is not toxic Nenah. Many substances are non-toxic at low doses or dosed alone but very toxic at higher doses or in combination. This point was well made in my original post but you seem to have chosen to ignore the specificity of the information I presented in order to present a different spin. That is what I mean about practitioners who really don't even know enough to know how to determine the toxicity of a practice. Check the Therapeutic Index and the LD 50 of ozone, that is if you even know how to look that up. If not then you are at great risk and so are your clients. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConstant Currant CS
Johannes, I tried to send you an email, but it bounced, I can help you with a circuit diagram if you want one, but you will have to give me an email address that works.. John in Australia - Original Message - From: johan...@cft.org.za john...@cft.org.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: CSConstant Currant CS Can some of you help me to build a Constant Currant Colloidal Silver maker (not with Batterie) Is it a difficult job? I have a very simple CS maker and use it with distilled Water. But the quality is not up to standard and I would like to improve. Any suggestions? Are most of you buying it? Which one? Johannes -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAsthma
: things that contain mold spores are not only cheese, but anything According to Hulda Clark bread, peanuts, popcorn, flour are mold sources. Best bread for low mold is unwrapped like the bread sold in Mexico. Bread wrapped in plastic is most likely moldy. Question, Is it OK to use a compressor type nebulizer for CS? The asthma med people on local TV told me they are having problems with ultra sonic nebulizers and better luck with compressor type nebulizers. A compressor nebulizer seems to be similar to the air brush recommended by Brooks Bradley. My Omron compressor type nebulizer using the mixture for sinus flushes has not stopped my wheezing from asthma. I increased my sinus flushes from 100 ml CS to 500ml CS and mixed MSM, DMSO, Xylitol, GSE, and H2O2. The CS was cooked till it turned brown like 30 PPM. More black mold flushed from my sinus. Good clear CS did not show the mold being flushed out. Brickey
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone
I have what I consider to be a good air purifier from Sharper Image. I don't smell any ozone. Recently, a friend gave me a larger (does the entire house) purifier. It has such a strong odor, neither my husband nor I can stand it, both of us ended up coughing from it. We stopped using it after a few uses. I strongly suspect the ozone levels aren't acceptable, but how to find out? Sally Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net wrote: Ozone is toxic to plants and animals, including humans. The toxic dose is higher than most ozone generating air filters. But the problem is that even at low concentrations it can be adsorbed by sheet rock and concentrate there, where it can being to out gas and affect those in the room. Some treatments involve removing plants, animals and people from the rooms, these involve higher concentration of ozone and these are at higher risk of adsorping into the sheet rock. As well even in very low concentrations ozone can combine with other chemicals and form more toxic compounds. It depends on what is in the air you are breathing with the low concentrations of ozone. The bottom line is that ozone is not a safe substance to play around with if you do not know exactly what is in the air and the concentration of ozone in that air. This information is not widely acknowledged or even known. Most people selling ozone generating machines or services just go by what the manufacturers tell them. They do not have the technical training to check it out for themselves. Nor do they even know it is something that needs to be investigated. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 13:07, Betsy Coffey wrote: I use a cleaner with tea tree oil that I get from the health food store and it doesnt bother my allergies at all. I had a question about ozone. Someone posted that it is toxic. They use ozone to clean the smells alike tobacco in motel rooms now. Is this toxic? Or, are you referring to something else? Some doctors are now also using it. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
Re: CSAsthma
No offense intended, but how do you know it was mold being flushed out? Couldn't it have been dried blood? Sally brick...@aol.com wrote: : things that contain mold spores are not only cheese, but anything According to Hulda Clark bread, peanuts, popcorn, flour are mold sources. Best bread for low mold is unwrapped like the bread sold in Mexico. Bread wrapped in plastic is most likely moldy. Question, Is it OK to use a compressor type nebulizer for CS? The asthma med people on local TV told me they are having problems with ultra sonic nebulizers and better luck with compressor type nebulizers. A compressor nebulizer seems to be similar to the air brush recommended by Brooks Bradley. My Omron compressor type nebulizer using the mixture for sinus flushes has not stopped my wheezing from asthma. I increased my sinus flushes from 100 ml CS to 500ml CS and mixed MSM, DMSO, Xylitol, GSE, and H2O2. The CS was cooked till it turned brown like 30 PPM. More black mold flushed from my sinus. Good clear CS did not show the mold being flushed out. Brickey - Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! Try it today!
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity
- Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity Nenah, I made it very clear that in low concentrations ozone by itself is not toxic. Please include all of my statements when replying to what I post. I will repeat myself, ozone used in air filters or in higher concentrations to treat houses can adsorb in sheet rock and out gas over a period of time where it can mix with various impurities in the air there by forming unknown chemical cocktails. We do know that ozone can make some compounds toxic. Ozone does not make compounds or single elements toxic. It cleans up the ill effects of the compounds. It is not a safe substance for most people to be using. It is a very reaction compound. And it can be very risky. Personally I will not use it. But then I tend to be rather cautious. Garnet On the aforementioned Oxyplus egroup at yahoo, should you decide to join, you'll have the benefit of Saul Pressman's expertise. I consider him among the foremost experts on ozone in North America. Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCilantro [Re: CSmercury and heavy metals]
Hi, Dr. Y. Omura, M.D,, made the discovery himself, while testing himself for mercury after having dental amalgam removed, I believe. He noted a dramatic change from a previous test and narrowed down the possible causes. Omura was the first to identify cilantro as a heavy-metal precursor. He is also the man who advocates EPA/DHA fish oil as one of the most powerful anti-viral/bacterial agents known to man. Omura is a genius who is undeservedly obscure. JBB On Wednesday, Nov 24, 2004, at 02:11 Asia/Tokyo, Garnet wrote: Cilantro, the cooking herb chelates mercury. This was discovered serendipitously by a practitioner who was treating someone who was eating a lot of soup made with cilantro. There is a protocol published on the web. google cilantro +mercury You can buy cilantro extract, make your own tincture, or just eats lots of it. It grows very fast so you can grow your own in pots on the patio, or in a warm sunny window. Some people are sensitive to cilantro so start with a small amount. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 09:35, Marshall Dudley wrote: No, try IP6. Marshall Betsy Coffey wrote: Does CS remove mercury or heavy metals? Does it work as a detox agent for other things besides heavy metals? __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity
What I said was not intended to be sarcasm David. I truly do not think Nenah knows how to look up a Therapeutic Index or an LD 50, if she does she has certainly not demonstrated this ability. Nor the knowledge of the terms she uses such as toxicity. She actually said that ozone is an lung irritant but this does not mean it is toxic. HUH??? And Spin Doctoring is so rampant these days that it is becoming an accepted art form. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 23:24, David W Kenney wrote: Garnet: No need to be sarcastic I think Nenah made her position very clear to thinking people She seemed to say exactly what you attempted to say in an effort to clarify her statement... Toxicity of nearly everything is dose related...didn't she say that? Didn't you say that? Even water is toxic at a high enough dose. Anyway, let's try to learn from each other...not cut them apart. I have always said that any statement presented is good...no matter how exotic or perhaps ridiculous. If everyone feels free to state their opinions...without your cutting them to shreds...then someone is going to learn something. The person who wrote the opinionor perhaps, even you. Dr. Kenney -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:02 PM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CStea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 16:26, Nenah Sylver wrote: Ozone must be used properly and in the right concentrations. Of course it will irritate your lungs if it's at too high a concentration -- but that doesn't mean ozone is toxic. Carrot juice will turn your skin orange if you drink IT at too high a concentration; but it doesn't mean that carrot juice is poisonous, it just means that you need to know how much to ingeset! The definition of toxic is that which is dangerous to health or injurious to life. In sufficient concentration pure ozone will kill plants, animals and humans. In combination with other substances the toxic dose is lower. Your statements about needing to know how much to ingest are confounding to your assertion that ozone is not toxic Nenah. Many substances are non-toxic at low doses or dosed alone but very toxic at higher doses or in combination. This point was well made in my original post but you seem to have chosen to ignore the specificity of the information I presented in order to present a different spin. That is what I mean about practitioners who really don't even know enough to know how to determine the toxicity of a practice. Check the Therapeutic Index and the LD 50 of ozone, that is if you even know how to look that up. If not then you are at great risk and so are your clients. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Ozone
- Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:11 AM Subject: CS Toxic as defined in Stedman's Medical Dictionary means poisonous. Poisonous is defined as injurious or dangerous to health. I know what poisonous means, Garnet. Ozone is not poisonous. Even aspirin is an approved and successful medical therapy, this does not mean it has no toxicity. I am not equating ozone to aspirin. Aspirin is frankly toxic at most doses, and I wouldn't take it. I have medical grade ozone equipment obtained from Plasmafire in Canada and use it for many purposes. When ozone is inhaled through olive oil (or tea tree and other essential oils), an entirely new compound is created. Do you know what that compound is? If not how do you know if it is toxic? Not all toxic effects are immediately apparent. Olive Oil is often not pure and may contain hexane or lye. How do you know that the olive oil you are using is actually pure -- do you have it assayed, do you know batch numbers in case there is a recall? Tee Tree oil if it is an inferior grade can contain toxic compounds -- again do you use assayed numbered batches? This is a spurious argument. If I spent my time getting substances assayed, I wouldn't be living. I am satisfied that the substances I'm using with ozone are pure. Many substances have a therapeutic effect at low doses and are toxic at higher concentrations or when mixed with other substances. Yes, like hydrochloric acid, which people take to augment their own supply when the stomach is not making enough. Ozone may scavenge toxins but it also produces toxins. What are the amounts that you consider proper Nenah. Do you even know the ppm of the treatments you administer? Or what blood levels they produce? If not then you are treading on very risky ground. There are settings on my units. I don't have the ppm conversion chart handy at the moment. The myth that ozone is toxic is based on studies done over 50 years ago Absolutely not true Nenah, there are many studies since the 50's that demonstrate toxic effects of pure ozone. See this is what I mean by practitioners who take someone else's word for the safety of a practice without actually doing their own checking -- you have simply demonstrated my point very well. And so I have medical references for the opposite. What does that prove? It proves that you follow your sources and I follow mine. I use ozone and get positive results and you do not use it because you follow your sources. It was the ozone itself. Here is another reference that you can find in most medical libraries and many public libraries. What are the citations in your new book Nenah. I would certainly like to see their data! Can you provide those references please? I will provide ONE reference here. There are more in my book. www.thefinchleyclinic.co.uk/nojavascript/therapies/ozone/safe.htm The copyright date 2001 indicates it is quite up to date. The information is meticulously reviewed by a world renowed board of editors and specialists in their respective fields. This is the 10th edition of this standard reference work published over the past 64 years. Many experts who are considered standard reading in their field say that colloidal silver is bad for you but that doesn't make them right. Ozone must be used properly and in the right concentrations. Of course it will irritate your lungs if it's at too high a concentration -- but that doesn't mean ozone is toxic. Yes actually it does mean that ozone is toxic because the definition of toxic is injurious to health. Spurious. My point above about hydrochloric acid still stands. You can take water. People need water to live but too much will kill you. It also matters whether you drink it or put your face under it. Ozone has proven tremendously healing for me and for many, many others with whom I have personal contact. I urge the more open minded of you to see for yourself what this amazing therapy can do. For more information, you can join the Oxyplus list at Yahoo. My posts on this list speak for my open minded nature. But open minded does not mean unquestioning or unable to discern truth or validity. I never said that ozone was without therapeutic benefit. Resorting to spin and disinformation to sell or defend a practice is however an indication of being closed minded -- close to the truth. An inability to discern safety in therapeutics is a very dangerous quality for anyone particularly a health care practitioner, author or consultant. But as usual when I refute the erroneous information you post Nenah you will disappear from the list for a period of time until you presume the list has forgotten your poorly researched and misleading information, also known in the vernacular as spin. But you see these are the exact types of posts that I do not forget and that
Re: CStea tree oil and ozone
Coughing is a symptom of lung irritation and is known to occur from ozone exposure. I think that is enough to tell you that it is probably putting out too much ozone. Headaches are another indicator. As far as measuring output that would be expensive as it requires expensive equipment. You could close it up in a small room with a fast growing plant you don't care about for about a month and see if the plant starts to die or starts turning yellow, be sure the plant is getting enough sunlight and water. Sharper Image air purifiers are electrostatic and do not output ozone at all. The collection plates do collect dust but I can wipe the same amount of dust from my bookshelf every few days. I had four of them in one large room and took them back within the 60 day refund period. I asked an Indoor Air Quality Specialist about the Sharper Image units when he was here testing my house for mold after a water leak from a heavy wind and rain strom. He had tested them and said that the unit they sell for a large size room is more appropriate to a small bathroom. They really don't do much but they look good. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 00:12, Sally Khanna wrote: I have what I consider to be a good air purifier from Sharper Image. I don't smell any ozone. Recently, a friend gave me a larger (does the entire house) purifier. It has such a strong odor, neither my husband nor I can stand it, both of us ended up coughing from it. We stopped using it after a few uses. I strongly suspect the ozone levels aren't acceptable, but how to find out? Sally Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net wrote: Ozone is toxic to plants and animals, including humans. The toxic dose is higher than most ozone generating air filters. But the problem is that even at low concentrations it can be adsorbed by sheet rock and concentrate there, where it can being to out gas and affect those in the room. Some treatments involve removing plants, animals and people from the rooms, these involve higher concentration of ozone and these are at higher risk of adsorping into the sheet rock. As well even in very low concentrations ozone can combine with other chemicals and form more toxic compounds. It depends on what is in the air you are breathing with the low concentrations of ozone. The bottom line is that ozone is not a safe substance to play around with if you do not know exactly what is in the air and the concentration of ozone in that air. Th! is information is not widely acknowledged or even known. Most people selling ozone generating machines or services just go by what the manufacturers tell them. They do not have the technical training to check it out for themselves. Nor do they even know it is something that needs to be investigated. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 13:07, Betsy Coffey wrote: I use a cleaner with tea tree oil that I get from the health food store and it doesnt bother my allergies at all. I had a question about ozone. Someone posted that it is toxic. They use ozone to clean the smells alike tobacco in motel rooms now. Is this toxic? Or, are you referring to something else? Some doctors are now also using it. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
Re: CSAsthma
In a message dated 11/23/2004 10:15:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, khann...@yahoo.com writes: No offense intended, but how do you know it was mold being flushed out? Couldn't it have been dried blood? Paul Holloway reported in a post earlier that brown CS helps to get rid of mold from sinusus. He identified the mold as Aspergillus from his experience working in a Lab. I have seen blood several times and it is very different from the mold. The black stuff is in clusters and tied together. Brickey
Re: CSproduct on web
Do a search on this stuff.Its suppose to clean you out and more. Serrapeptase Its a enzyme - Original Message - From: suzy sue suzy...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:24 AM Subject: CSproduct on web Hi all i have been reading of a product called Angioprim, sounds good, too good does anyone here know anything about it. Claims to clear blocked arteries like a drain cleaner Thought is sounded a bit like DMSO, in little bottles. but much more expensive. Anyone know anything? Sue -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
