RE: CSquestion regarding CS production
Hello Asif, While the electrode terminals on the SG6 are on 2 cm centers, the electrodes are bent at the top at 90 degrees to make the connection. This brings the electrodes out to the outside edge of the terminals. You end up with electrodes that are spaced 4 cm in the water. Tom -Original Message- From: Asif Nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 4:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSquestion regarding CS production It takes about 2-3 hours to go to from 28 to 6v after which it starts making sludge I am thinking of buying my own distiller so that I can control the process better. I have been brewing only 1 liter batches. I found a 300g coffee jar ideal. Plus it was a glass jar. I cannot increase the width of the electrodes any further than 3.5cm as I have mounted them on the coffee jar lid. Which doesn't give me much real estate after the motor on top. I understand that the silvergen SG6 has it's electrodes 2cm apart and uses 1 ma. ( I remember from a trem's post) I have been wiping the electrodes every 20 mins. The cathodes get black fairly quickly. Although things have improved by using 3 anodes. And distancing the electrodes further to 3.5cm. They seem to make the brew more cleanly. I have run out distilled water. So I will not be able to tweak the setup until then. Also may I ask what voltage and current are you using for your setup? Sent from my iPhone -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSValley Fever
Hello Bob, MMS2 is calcium hypochlorite. Bleach is sodium chlorite. When you add either of these to water you form hypochlorous acid. When you add chlorine gas to water you also form hypochlorous acid. Hypochlorous acid is the active ingredient in chlorination. When hypochlorous acid is exposed to an acid, chlorine gas is released. Swallowing calcium hypochlorite and having it for hypochlorous acid in the presence of stomach acid produces chlorine gas. Chlorine is a wonderful disinfectant, but it reacts with organic material and can form disinfectant by products that are known to cause cancer. Chlorinating the GI tract will disrupt the flora in it, but you have to question if that is in the persons best long term health interests. Tom From: Bob Banever [mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 7:15 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSValley Fever Gayla, I have three alternatives for you to research. Raw unrefined coconutoil...http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/ 4 - 6 tablespoonfulls daily. MMS - 2 drops every two hours. Google Jim Humble/MMS for more info. You might have to add MMS2 as well. Look into it if you choose that option. How about large amounts of ionic/colloidal silver along with blood electrification a la Beck Protocol? Good luck. Bob - Original Message - From: Gayla Roberts mailto:aera...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 8:09 AM Subject: CSValley Fever Has anyone had success in treating valley fever? I talked to someone yesterday with a very bad case of it. His Dr has him on an antifungal, but it is not helping. TIA! Gayla
RE: CS poor immune system
Hello Martsmail53, To wipe out gum disease you need to start strong. If I had that problem I would mix up a mouthwash that has a 30 PPM concentration of free chlorine dioxide. NOTE: this is not what a dose of MMS produces. MMS produced chlorous acid and that can make the infection worse by irritating the tissue of the gums. This solution is made from sodium chlorite, but is activated so that there is very little change in the PH of the water used in the mouthwash. This mouthwash solution is used 4 times a day for 2 - 3 days after brushing and flossing. The proper way to use this is to take a mouth full and swish for 60 seconds. Spit it out, then repeat a second time. It that time the infection will be eliminated from the gum and jaw bone areas. To promote healing after this 2 days of killing off the infection you need to keep infection from getting re-established in the gum area. This time you switch over to a mouthwash that has 1000 PPM of available chlorine dioxide. When you take a mouth full of this solution, only trace amounts of free chlorine dioxide will be released as the solution comes into contact with the acids in the mouth. This keeps infection away, and does not irritate the gum tissue. Take a mouth full of this and swish for 30 - 60 seconds. Do this 2 times a day. Do not rinse after you spit this solution out. This takes care of the topical approach. In addition you can drink some colloidal silver to take care of infection inside the body. Also pay attention to diet and proper hydration. To mix up these mouthwash solutions you will need sodium chlorite and hydrochloric acid. If you tell me the concentrations of those solutions you have I will give you directions on how to mix up the two different mouthwash solutions. Tom From: martsmai...@aol.com [mailto:martsmai...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 6:52 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS poor immune system Please give information for 54 year old woman with infected gum disease. Her teeth are falling out it is so bad. Any ideas on how to help her immune system
RE: CSWet weight?
Hello Neville,
I think you are seeing inaccuracies in your measurements, and/or some drift
in the scale.
I think you may need a pretty concentrated solution to measure the
difference in weight in a small sample. Keep in mind that a 1%
concentration is 1 PPM. If you were able to measure 0.001g at 5000 g
total, and had a highly concentrated sample, you may be able to see a
difference in weight.
Tom
From: Neville Munn [mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 2:39 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSWet weight?
Could someone kindly help me out here?
I've been playing around with some small jewellers scales {0.001g up to 10g}
test weighing some EIS and found I have already observed one EIS solution
that actually weighs *less* than plain DW...???
How can this be so?
Or is this where Density or Specific Gravity of silver comes in, which I
believe is 10.5 {and this is probly SG of powdered silver as well, not the
same form of silver that we produce using electrolysis?} Or perhaps it
indicates different characteristics of ions and/or atomic ion clusters in
solution.
If this is where 'mole' weight comes in then I'll just stick those scales
back in the cupboard again and won't bother going any further cos that's
*well* over my capacity of chemistry/physics understanding.
I'm aware this is a bit of a cowboy method of measuring, and probly won't be
100% accurate, but the scales DO indicate something with a couple of
different solutions I've played around with, which means they certainly
appear to be good enough for my exercise.
N.
RE: CSpH calibration fluid?
Hello Neville, Distilled water has a specific gravity of 1.0. So, if you could measure a specific amount, EIS should have a higher specific gravity. I would have to think about translating between specific gravity and PPM, but there may be something there. Tom From: Neville Munn [mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 2:18 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSpH calibration fluid? Thanks Tom/Frank. I eventually found some information that explained it a little more, that's when I had the 'light bulb moment' and understood that a buffer of 7.01 referred to the testing of a known or preferred pH level one may be aiming for. Until I found that I thought it would be alright to use when the readings never go under 7.0. I only need to range from 7.0 up to 10.0, or praps higher. I had a sample tested shortly after production a while ago and it went 9.0, so I guess their equipment was calibrated to only go up to 9.0. I'm curious to find out how high that pH level would be *immediately* after production...that's why I was looking into getting some sort of metering device. I don't really want to use those litmus strip thingo's, they'd be a tad too 'iffy' for my liking. Pity a refractometer wouldn't work, but it appears they only read glycol and Specific Gravity. Pity a simple hydrometer couldn't be invented for this stuff too, measuring the weight or Specific Gravity of silver in water, now *there's* something that would be very handy, between a TDS/PWT or EC/TEMP meter and a hydrometer one would pretty much have the best of everything. P.S. I just had a quick google and it appears hydrometers are used to measure silver in photography solutions...will go and look a little closer into that. N. _ From: po...@prodigy.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSpH calibration fluid? Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:30:01 -0800 Hello Neville, When using single point calibration you generally use a calibration solution that is close to what you are trying to measure. If your solutions are close to a PH of 7, the 7.01 calibration solution will work well. If you are measuring over a wide range of PH, you would typically do a triple point calibration using calibration solutions of PH 4, PH 7 and PH 10. One nice thing about the triple point calibration is that it alerts you when your PH probe is wearing out. Tom From: Neville Munn [mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSpH calibration fluid? Can someone help me out here re: specifically a *single point* calibration? If one does not need to calibrate below base 7 or below in the acidic range, is a buffer solution of 7.01 adequate? I know one can calibrate to determine ranges between two desired figures, but using two buffer solutions would only be required if measuring both adicity *and* alkalinity would it not? If measuring *above* 7.0 only, or in the alkaline range, I would assume two calibration points would not be necessary as the reading would/should never go below 7 in this instance...Yes/No? Thanks N.
RE: CSpH calibration fluid?
Hello Neville, When using single point calibration you generally use a calibration solution that is close to what you are trying to measure. If your solutions are close to a PH of 7, the 7.01 calibration solution will work well. If you are measuring over a wide range of PH, you would typically do a triple point calibration using calibration solutions of PH 4, PH 7 and PH 10. One nice thing about the triple point calibration is that it alerts you when your PH probe is wearing out. Tom From: Neville Munn [mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSpH calibration fluid? Can someone help me out here re: specifically a *single point* calibration? If one does not need to calibrate below base 7 or below in the acidic range, is a buffer solution of 7.01 adequate? I know one can calibrate to determine ranges between two desired figures, but using two buffer solutions would only be required if measuring both adicity *and* alkalinity would it not? If measuring *above* 7.0 only, or in the alkaline range, I would assume two calibration points would not be necessary as the reading would/should never go below 7 in this instance...Yes/No? Thanks N.
RE: CSVetericyn and Microcyn
Hello Renee, A slight correction. MMS when mixed up makes chlorous acid. To get hypochlorous acid you have to use MMS2. Tom From: Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 6:04 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVetericyn and Microcyn The base problem is figuring out WHY the dog is licking the foot? Pain? Arthritis? Something embedded under the skin? Allergy? Then address that. MMS does make hypochlorous acid, but there's no way to determine how much is being made. There are many good external things you can apply to kill pathogens--like aloe vera, sugar or honey, diluted MMS, tea tree oil, etc. Clearing the infection is going to be the easiest part--figuring out why the dog keeps licking the foot will be the hard part. It may be that they'll have to keep that part of the foot covered. Some dogs eventually get into a habit of foot licking which is hard to break. I had a dog that did it in the spring. There was something growing that he was allergic to. Oddly though, he only licked one foot! But the pads of the foot, and between the toes, was always red and raw from licking. I kept aloe on it, along with Vit. E, and would keep it wrapped. Then when summer came, I could undo the wrapping and he'd leave the foot alone. Next spring, same thing. My dog had long hair so I had to always trim all that hair between the toes to get the cream down to the skin. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- let him out with no cover on it, he licked it raw again. They tried colloidal silver, but they probably didn't spray it on often enough. Or, dab it, rather.he hates spray. This has been going on for months.
RE: CSdistiller/ppm/hanna meter
Hello Beth, Distilling removes impurities from the water. I would try using tap water and distilling that. The only concern would be if there are heavy metals in your tap water, but you should be able to do some research to see if distilling will remove whatever is in your water that makes it not potable. The PWT is very sensitive and should be rinsed with distilled water after every use if you want consistent results. I chased the calibration around a little until I rinsed with distilled water first, then added the calibration solution and adjusted the meter. Afterward, I once again rinsed with distilled water. You may have to buy a jug to start with, but once you get your distiller set up you can just use your own water. Tom -Original Message- From: Beth [mailto:csilverl...@yahoo.ca] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 7:28 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSdistiller/ppm/hanna meter Yes and that means that I use 1.5 gallons of water and it yeilds only .5 gallons after 6-8 hours of distilling. I distilled first batch last night it read 2.8 while still warm however it read .7 this morning after it cooled and sat a while. I will continue to test the batches as they come out and as the distiller gets older it might change. I am on a water system which is not potable. (like being in a cottage) All of our drinking/cooking water is bought so it becomes quite a waste when I start tossing out a gallon of water each time. If it was just coming out of the tap I probably would not mind as much. 1.5 gallons of water and 6-8 hours power for 1/2 gallon also seem like a lot of waste. However I do understand that making the CS is what comes out cheaper in the end no matter what I do. :) I just dont understand how the temperature would make such a difference in the reading. 2.8 down to .7 is quite a difference. The PWT is suppose to take temp into consideration. Beth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMRSA - again
Hello Dan, A word of warning... Muriatic acid is usually around 32%. This is a strong concentration, and when mixed with a high concentration sodium chlorite solution like MMS it can be explosive. Heat is given off during the reaction and boiling is not uncommon. When using HCl as an activator, it is best to dilute the sodium chlorite down to 5% and the HCl down to 6%. You use equal amounts of each and end up with all of the available chlorine dioxide released as free chlorine dioxide. Don't play with this unless you take the proper chemical precautions to protect the area where you are working, yourself, and anyone else that is in the area. Also protect your animals. Tom -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 8:40 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMRSA - again Try Muriatic acid. Hardware store, or internet. Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMRSA - again
Hello Paula, The MMS protocol doesn't produce enough chlorine dioxide to be effective against MRSA. It helps, but it isn't strong enough to eliminate it. If you had hydrochloric acid, a topically mixture could be made that is strong enough, and still not too strong to irritate the skin and surrounding tissue. However, let's work with what you have. Mix up in a glass 1 ml of MMS and add to that 1 ml of 10% citric acid. Let this activate for 10 minutes, then add enough water to make a total solution of 125 ml. Cut a square of paper towel that will fit over the problem area. Dip the paper towel into the solution and apply. Let it sit there for 5 minutes, then repeat 2 more times. This will give you 3 applications in all. This solution has around 100 PPM free chlorine dioxide but is an acid so it may irritate the skin. An application in the morning followed by another application in the evening should eliminate the surface MRSA. You can mix the solution in the morning, use it, and store it out of UV light until evening and use it again then. It probably should be mixed fresh each morning. Re-infection is another issue and you may want to consider disinfecting clothing and sleeping materials to remove that possibility. In your washing machine you can pour 5 ml of MMS into the water and that should help. In order to get a more accurate figure I would need the amount of water it takes to fill up your machine during a typical load. Tom From: Paula Samuels Anthis [mailto:npalacios...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:52 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSMRSA - again I don't know if we are getting healthier and stuff is coming out (which we hope is the case) or is we are just pathogen pits and becoming symptomatic! Has anyone else been dealing with either isolated MRSA or a possible systemic infection? Hubby has his third nickle sized reddened area with the crusty middle but this time he withheld the info and did nothing as we tended to all the effects of my own dynamic wasp sting 10 days ago and all the after shocks my body was screaming about. He had the first area ID's by a doc last Jan on right calf - took months to clear but never opened. Second was on belly about 6-8 weeks ago and likewise was only surface red, crusty middle with a dark spot in the very center - never drained as we zapped and CS'd it and MMS'd it and H2O2'd ( with DMSO added to each)it faithfully until it has almost totally faded away! Victory on that one! Now this third place on his left calf, which he chose to ignore for over a week, apparently started looking out looking the same as the others, but had formed a hard knot beneath it, become painful and the crusty part had already turned yellow and pus looking but was dry when he finally showed it to me two nights ago. I had a fit, so he started zapping with 6 volts foot bath to second foot bath, directly over the site, and also on either side of the site alternating current direction (switching when I would remind him to do so). Also using topical CS and MMS, plus oral H202 (all with DMSO added) every morning and MMS when I can catch him and remind him. (He is the most gentle, kind, loving and patient man I have ever met AND he has absolutely no sense of time or sequencing so my micro managing skills are needed way to frequently). Has anyone dealt with localized or systemic MRSA (online it says that if there are recurrent breakouts that it is definitely systemic). He has had these long lasting reddened spots for several years, but we never connected the dots till he became so ill last Jan. The finding by DaddyBob about the cluster of lymph glands in proximity to the appendix confirmed our suspicion that the MRSA on the leg had traveled to his lower abdomen and was the true cause of all his abdominal distress last Jan, that the doc never pinpointed a reason for after four weeks severe pain and in bed with a 20 pound wt loss. Feedback and suggestion are VERY welcome at this point! Blessings for Paula in Palacios I am going to post on the two other forums that have been such a help also. We need to hit this and make any changes he needs to make before MRSA more seriously affects this wonderful man!
RE: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #843
Hello Melly, To get to the same concentration you would use 14 drops. Tom From: Melly Bag [mailto:tita_...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 5:19 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #843 Tom, You said: ...The general dose of stabilized oxygen for illness is 20 drops of the 3.5% solution in 250 ml of water. This ends up at a concentration of about 84 PPM available chlorine dioxide. I have 5% MMS solution. How many drops should i use? Thanks. Melly
RE: CSMMS
Hello Paul, MMS is a 22.4% sodium chlorite solution. People have been using Stabilized Oxygen since the 1940's by adding it to water without activation. Stabilized Oxygen is a 3.5% sodium chlorite solution. Dilute sodium chlorite (what is made when you add small amounts of sodium chlorite to water) will activate when exposed to stomach acid, but it isn't a quick reaction. The theory is that it continues to activate after it passes through the stomach. There is debate as to what causes sodium chlorite solutions to work at all. The chlorine dioxide produced during activation doesn't live for any length of time inside the body. I think most of it is used up by the time it hits the back of your mouth. This leaves the chlorous acid which breaks down into chlorite. If chlorite is what is doing the work, then an un-activated solution would allow for more chlorite to enter the body. In rats, the half life of chlorite is a little over 40 hours, and it collects in all the organs of the body including the brain. Since chlorite is a free radical it could be that this is what is doing the oxidation work. Activated solutions allow a greater concentration of chlorous acid to enter the stomach and the chlorous acid is a little more stable. Un-activated solutions do not shock the stomach, but only tend to be partially activated by the stomach acid. This is an area were more testing is needed to understand and document what is going on. This far we only have some theories. If you search on stabilized oxygen you can find information on how this has been used. Originally, people thought that it supplied the body with additional oxygen and that is where the name came from. It actually does provide the body with a little extra oxygen, but it does this by killing off the older red blood cells and stimulating the production of new ones. If you have a lot of old, infected, and/or dying red blood cells, you will experience a lift as they get eliminated and new ones take their place. 6 drops of 22.4% sodium chlorite (MMS) in 125 ml of water will give you a concentration of about 380 PPM available chlorine dioxide. The general dose of stabilized oxygen for illness is 20 drops of the 3.5% solution in 250 ml of water. This ends up at a concentration of about 84 PPM available chlorine dioxide. Tom -Original Message- From: pste...@yahoo.com [mailto:pste...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 1:12 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSMMS Hi all Question about mms. I meet someone that didn't activate the mms. He reason was that the stomach acid would activate it So he just put 6 drops in water and drank it. He thought klinghart did it this way as well This guy is now well from lyme. Wondering if anyone else has use MMS this way Thx all Paul Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMMS biofilms
Hello PT, Sodium chlorite solutions are very effective both in cleaning up biofilm and keeping it from reforming. The range of applications runs from dental irrigation water, to greenhouse water, to heating systems, to cooling towers, to humidifiers, to piping, to emergency water storage, to smelly washer syndrome, etc. In many cases a shock dose of 25 - 50 PPM is sent through the system in order to break up the biofilm, then the concentration is dropped to 0.25 - 1.0 PPM depending upon the application. In some saltwater aquariums, the level is kept below 0.04 PPM because I believe some shrimp larva can be killed if the concentration exceeds that. In freshwater aquariums the concentration varies depending upon the species of fish, but is usually in the 1 - 3 PPM range. Also, ORP is used together with sodium chlorite solutions to keep the biofilm down in the tank. In general, chlorine dioxide penetrates the biofilm layer and changes to chlorite. As the bacteria grows, the chlorite is transformed back to chlorine dioxide and that kills off the bacteria. This goes on until the biofilm has been eliminated, then the reaction goes on to chloride and the chemical is washed out of the system. What is your application? Tom From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 5:29 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSMMS biofilms Hi, Is there anyone who knows anything about how MMS affects biofilms? Would appreciate your insights, especially if you have had first hand experience. Thanks. PT
RE: CSTumor reduction
Hello Dee, The easiest way would be to put 1/8 teaspoon of MMS in 2.5 gallons of water and use that solution. Tom -Original Message- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:24 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTumor reduction Thank you Tom--the sodium chlorite I have is the one sold as MMS which comes with a bottle of citric acid. This I believe, is 28% so I would need to dilute this quite a lot before I added it to water wouldn't I? Unfortunately, I am mathematically challenged, so if someone could tell me a simple way to do this I would be grateful. dee On 22 Sep 2010, at 03:20, Tom Poast wrote: Hello Dee, We have used 1 ml of 5% sodium chlorite in 500 ml of water with animals and people. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTumor reduction
Hello Dee, A little bit of sodium chlorite in drinking water will be beneficial, but I would approach both issues topically. You don't want to use ASC in any strength near the eye, but a dilute solution of sodium chlorite in water could be used. The same for your dog. The anal area is very sensitive and chlorous acid (ASC) may irritate it. Tom -Original Message- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:37 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTumor reduction Thanks Tom, so as I have just discovered I have shingles in my actual eye, would you suggest drinking say, five drops of ASC in half a glass of water - or - one or two drops of sodium chlorite in a half a glass of water? Also, my dog has infected anal sacs--do you think a couple of drops of sodium chlorite in his water would be ok? many thanks. dee On 20 Sep 2010, at 15:32, Tom Poast wrote: Hello Dee, ASC has a much higher concentration of free chlorine dioxide and a much higher oxidation reduction potential. If your application needs to knock down a rapidly spreading bacteria, ASC may be able to do that but chlorine dioxide may be necessary. If you are trying to control the spread of bacteria or prevent colonies from forming, sodium chlorite in water is a good way to go. A couple of examples... When you butcher a chicken the meat becomes infected with the bacteria from the gut. ASC is sprayed on, or the meat is dunked into a tank with ASC in it. The ASC solution knocks the bacteria load down and the residual keeps it in check. Mold in the bathroom can be killed off with ASC, but once it is removed you can simply spray a sodium chlorite solution around to keep the mold spores from forming new mold areas. Another example has to do with a mouthwash. If you rinse with ASC, you blast the teeth to a rather strong solution that can damage the enamel of the teeth. However, if you use a sodium chlorite solution, it only activates in proportion to the amount of bacteria in the mouth and activates where the bacteria is. In this case the activated solution is working in the biofilm area and it somewhat ignores the other areas. The problem with ingesting these chemicals is that you quickly have levels of chlorite in the body that are higher than what have been found to be safe. This is one of the reasons the FDA, Canadians, and Australians are taking a closer look at the MMS protocol. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTumor reduction
Hello Dee, We have used 1 ml of 5% sodium chlorite in 500 ml of water with animals and people. Tom -Original Message- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:44 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTumor reduction Could you tell me the ratio for topical use in the eye Tom? dee On 21 Sep 2010, at 16:07, Tom Poast wrote: Hello Dee, A little bit of sodium chlorite in drinking water will be beneficial, but I would approach both issues topically. You don't want to use ASC in any strength near the eye, but a dilute solution of sodium chlorite in water could be used. The same for your dog. The anal area is very sensitive and chlorous acid (ASC) may irritate it. Tom - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTumor reduction
Hello Dee, ASC has a much higher concentration of free chlorine dioxide and a much higher oxidation reduction potential. If your application needs to knock down a rapidly spreading bacteria, ASC may be able to do that but chlorine dioxide may be necessary. If you are trying to control the spread of bacteria or prevent colonies from forming, sodium chlorite in water is a good way to go. A couple of examples... When you butcher a chicken the meat becomes infected with the bacteria from the gut. ASC is sprayed on, or the meat is dunked into a tank with ASC in it. The ASC solution knocks the bacteria load down and the residual keeps it in check. Mold in the bathroom can be killed off with ASC, but once it is removed you can simply spray a sodium chlorite solution around to keep the mold spores from forming new mold areas. Another example has to do with a mouthwash. If you rinse with ASC, you blast the teeth to a rather strong solution that can damage the enamel of the teeth. However, if you use a sodium chlorite solution, it only activates in proportion to the amount of bacteria in the mouth and activates where the bacteria is. In this case the activated solution is working in the biofilm area and it somewhat ignores the other areas. The problem with ingesting these chemicals is that you quickly have levels of chlorite in the body that are higher than what have been found to be safe. This is one of the reasons the FDA, Canadians, and Australians are taking a closer look at the MMS protocol. Tom -Original Message- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 1:20 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTumor reduction so does sodium chlorite do the same job as ASC Tom? and if so, why do we use ASC? thanks. dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTumor reduction
Hello Renee, Now, if we could get everyone talking in PPM, there would be no confusion. J Tom From: Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:25 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSTumor reduction Great explanation, as usual, Tom. But--since most people only know MMS, and can not get the flakes--or don't have them and don't want to mess making their own liquid--I think most everyone will stick with the MMS designation. At least when someone says that, we know it's the 28 (22.4)% solution, which we can now say--dilute down to 5%, or 2%. Whereas if a person says ASC, then don't we still have to ask at what percentage the SC was for getting the ASC? I guess because almost everyone will continue to deal with MMS, and call it that despite it being simply liquid sodium chlorite, we need verbiage to keep it clear when talking about dilutions. That's why I liked the MMS5, for MMS at a 5%, rather than typing out 5% sodium chlorite, because most people are going to use their bottle of MMS to make a 5% solution of sodium chlorite. But I totally understand your reasoning and your need, in your line of work, to be as specific as possible. It's like being on an herb list and asking about a plant using the local common name. To give USEFUL help, all the other herbalists from all over the world need to know the Latin name. Otherwise, we can be talking about 10 different unrelated plants! Yet, only herbalists seem to use the Latin names. Everyone else is content with their local name. It can get frustrating sometimes, trying to get that Latin name used, or simply figure out which plant the person, who doesn't know the Latin name, is talking about. Samala, Renee image001.gif
RE: CSTumor reduction
Hello Renee, When I think of MMS, I think of the whole MMS protocol. When I think of sodium chlorite, only one part of the thinking process goes to thinking about MMS. The rest go to the various other uses of sodium chlorite. The confusion can be eliminated simply by referring to the chemical name and leaving the commercial name out of the discussion. Sodium chlorite is referred to as Stabilized Chlorine Dioxide. The early alternative people changed that to Stabilized Oxygen when they reviewed the breakdown process of chlorine dioxide in air. The wrongly assumed that the process would be the same inside the body. In air in the presence of UV light ClO2 breaks down to chlorine and oxygen. The chlorine attaches to hydrogen in the air forming HCl. Under high humidity conditions, acid rain forms. The concentration of sodium chlorite is directly related to the available chlorine dioxide in the solution. 22.4% sodium chlorite has 224000 PPM available chlorine dioxide. 2% sodium chlorite has 2 PPM available chlorine dioxide. Since chlorine dioxide is a strong oxidizer only small amounts are needed. This is why measurements involve parts per million. You don't care what the concentration of the base chemicals are, you are targeting the PPM required to do the job at hand. When dealing with small amounts, low concentration solutions of sodium chlorite allow for more accurate measuring. For example, drops are difficult to accurately measure and are not very repeatable. If you are using a high concentration and dealing in drops, it is much better to dilute the concentration down and use ml or cc for measuring. When you add a weak acid to sodium chlorite, you branch off into Acidified Sodium Chlorite technology (ASC). So, sodium chlorite in water simply can be referred to as a very low percentage sodium chlorite solution. When an acid is added, you have ASC. Tom From: Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:44 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTumor reduction Unactivated MMS, rarely used, is simply the drops from an MMS bottle and no acid added to the drops. It can be used straight from the bottle for burns (But must be washed off in 30 seconds) and some people have put a few drops of straight MMS into a liter of water and sipped on that all day (which tends to be exactly what stabilized oxygen is--just harder to say exactly what percentage of sodium chlorite you are getting this way). Activated MMS is when you take drops of MMS from the bottle, add some form of acid, wait 3 minutes for it to 'activate'. Because Jim Humble always used just MMS for both straight and activated, it was very confusing to some people. I was trying to explain it to a German friend of mine and she just couldn't get his book, and his calling it all simply MMS, whether he meant activated or not. So I took to calling the activated (with acid added) as AMMS, and unactivated as simply MMS. Then she could understand. So a few people picked up the AMMS, but of course, not any of the followers of Jim. So it's still all out there as MMS, whether they are talking about activated or non-activated. It can be confusing. I wish they'd all pick up the AMMS designation just to make it easier for people new to MMS. Samala, Renee
RE: CSanti-microbial???
Hello Tony, Most sodium chlorite flakes or powder are 80%. Are you sure yours is 28%? To make a 5% solution from 80% powder of flakes you would put 62.5 grams of the flakes in a measuring container and add enough water to bring the total volume up to 1000 ml. This will end up being a 6.25%, by weight, solution, but since the flakes are only 80% pure it is actually a 5% sodium chlorite solution. Tom -Original Message- From: Tony Moody [mailto:a...@new.co.za] Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:41 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSanti-microbial??? Hi Tom, I have a small jar of Sodium chlorite flakes. This is a dry crystalline product. I seem to remember that is is assayed at 28%. How do I make a 5% solution from this? Say I want 1 litre of 5% NaClO 1 litre = 1000g and 5% x 1000 = 5/100 x 1000 = 50 so I need 50 g of actual NaClO in 1 litre water to have a 5% solution. Yes? Now the Sod Chlorite flakes only has 28% NaClO . ie There is 0.28 g of NaClO per 1 gram of flakes So to get 50g NaClO I need 50/0.28 = 179 gram of flakes ie 180 g flakes in 1 litre water = 5% solution Or is being too simple ? Ok, rusty Tony On 28 Aug 2010 at 14:36, Tom Poast wrote about : Subject : RE: CSanti-microbial??? Hello PT, Another option is to use a sodium chlorite solution. An excellent mouthwash can be made by adding 16 ml of 5% sodium chlorite to 500 ml of water. After brushing, rinse your toothbrush off with water then dip it into the mouthwash solution and let it air dry. After brushing and rinsing, take a mouthful of the mouth wash and swish for 30 - 60 seconds, then spit it out. You can add a drop of cinnamon or mint if you want a more zestful taste. This solution is technically called chlorous acid, but its PH is actual neutral or slightly alkaline. When the solution encounters acids in the mouth, or on your toothbrush, trace amounts of chlorine dioxide are released that the pathogens are killed off. The nice thing about this is that activation only occurs as needed. If there are no germs, no chlorine dioxide is produced.This reduces oxidative stress, but I am not sure that is much of an issue inside the mouth. If you don´t want to make your own solution, commercial products are available. You would search on mouthwash with sodium chlorite in it. Tom From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 9:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSanti-microbial??? Hi, This is a question for Steve and some of the other chemists on the list... I have read about and been advised to keep my toothbrushes in an antimicrobial between use. The general advise is something like Listerine but I don't really like that so I have used peroxide for a long time. I recently switched to CS.Evidently toothbrushes are *seething* (mild hyperbole) with microbes that just keep reinfecting the mouth and the mouth is one place for focal infections that keep the immune system challenged. My question is, If I mix CS and 3% H2O2 will that increase the germ fighting capability of the liquid or create a whole new chemical that will do something totally different and perhaps not desirable? Thanks for any guidance you can give. PT PS: another good way to sanitize the toothbrush is to put it in the dishwasher every few days when you run it up. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSanti-microbial???
Hello PT, Another option is to use a sodium chlorite solution. An excellent mouthwash can be made by adding 16 ml of 5% sodium chlorite to 500 ml of water. After brushing, rinse your toothbrush off with water then dip it into the mouthwash solution and let it air dry. After brushing and rinsing, take a mouthful of the mouth wash and swish for 30 - 60 seconds, then spit it out. You can add a drop of cinnamon or mint if you want a more zestful taste. This solution is technically called chlorous acid, but its PH is actual neutral or slightly alkaline. When the solution encounters acids in the mouth, or on your toothbrush, trace amounts of chlorine dioxide are released that the pathogens are killed off. The nice thing about this is that activation only occurs as needed. If there are no germs, no chlorine dioxide is produced. This reduces oxidative stress, but I am not sure that is much of an issue inside the mouth. If you don't want to make your own solution, commercial products are available. You would search on mouthwash with sodium chlorite in it. Tom From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 9:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSanti-microbial??? Hi, This is a question for Steve and some of the other chemists on the list... I have read about and been advised to keep my toothbrushes in an antimicrobial between use. The general advise is something like Listerine but I don't really like that so I have used peroxide for a long time. I recently switched to CS. Evidently toothbrushes are *seething* (mild hyperbole) with microbes that just keep reinfecting the mouth and the mouth is one place for focal infections that keep the immune system challenged. My question is, If I mix CS and 3% H2O2 will that increase the germ fighting capability of the liquid or create a whole new chemical that will do something totally different and perhaps not desirable? Thanks for any guidance you can give. PT PS: another good way to sanitize the toothbrush is to put it in the dishwasher every few days when you run it up.
RE: CSMMS email received today
Hello Marshall, You are correct in that the concentration of chlorous acid is dependent upon the PH of the final solution, but the break down actually takes place over several hours. There is no method of measuring chlorine dioxide in the blood, because it doesn't last long enough to make it into the blood stream. Chlorite can be measured, and it does make it into the blood stream, along with all the organs of the body. The overlooked factor is the chlorous acid. Chlorous acid is a biostat. It can result in a 1/2 - 1 log reduction in pathogens, but its intended use is to stabilize the growth of pathogens. Chlorine dioxide, on the other hand, is a biocide that is capable of a 5 - 6 log reduction of pathogens. Since chlorine dioxide is almost immediately converted to chlorite, it may be the chlorite that is doing the work... Chlorous acid has been studied on meat and poultry carcasses, but not in humans. The concentration of chlorous acid is limited to the amount that doesn't cause bleaching. Animal studies seem to indicate that about 70% of the chlorine dioxide breaks down to chlorite, about 30% of a dose is absorbed into the body, and the half life of chlorite is a little over 40 hours. The chlorite is mostly eliminated through urine. I believe the absorption relates both to chlorite from chlorine dioxide and chlorite from sodium chlorite. When sodium chlorite is activated by the stomach acid, it allows a higher percentage of the solution to be available to be absorbed. When you activate it before taking it, some of the available chlorine dioxide is released as free chlorine dioxide which leaves less available chlorine dioxide in the solution. If the problem is up high in the GI tract, activation before ingestion makes sense. However, if the problem is lower, activation within the stomach may deliver more to the problem area. Chlorous acid has been studied and successfully used in oral health products, unactivated. This, along with the successes of the so called stabilized oxygen products, leads me to think that there may actually be something going on when you circulate sodium chlorite in the body and let it activate inside. I am not sure this process will ever be formally studied because of the effect of chlorite on blood cells, but there is always hope. Tom -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:23 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS email received today Renee wrote: Dunno, but there certainly is a difference in the amount of chlorine in the activated MMS, smell and taste wise. You'd have to talk to Tom for more facts about amounts and such. And mostly Tom does not advocate activating it externally either, as he says there's enough stomach acid to activate it. Certainly makes taking it much easier that way--although you can also use full strength drops this way too. There is plenty of stomach acid to activate it. That is not why it is activated externally. The reason is the speed of activation. If you do not activate it initially the level builds up slowly over an extended period of time, and reaches a rather low peak. This might be insufficient to kill what you are taking it for. By external activation, the build up is rapid, the peak high, and the overall duration rather short. Chemically here is what happens: Sodium chlorite reacts with acid and produces chlorus acid. Chlorus acid breaks down at a rate proportional to its concentration to chlorine dioxide. That is, if it is concentrated in a teaspoon of liquid, most of it will convert in the next 5 or so minutes. If it is in a dilute solution, such as 8 oz of water, or stomach acid, the rate is much slower, something like a couple of hours. Comparing the blood concentration of chlorine dioxide between these two for the MMS you will see a sudden rise to a significant level, followed very quickly by a drop off to almost nothing. If you take the sodium chlorite directly the build up in the blood will be over an hour, and it will stay at the peak for several hours, but the peak will be much smaller than the maximum with the MMS. The difference is like comparing putting 70% alcohol on an infection for a minute, or a dilute solution of .1% alcohol on it for several hours. It is quite likely that the latter would not have any affect at all.. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSsinus infection/sinus washing
Hello Sol, If you have someone to help you, and can follow directions exactly, here is a way to deal with your sinus issues. Understand that these are powerful chemicals. If you use them properly, they work great, but don't try to abuse them. You will need a humidifier and 5% sodium chlorite. Mix up a bottle with 1 liter of water in it and add 5 ml (about 1 teaspoon) of the 5% sodium chlorite to it. Put this water into the humidifier and point it away from you. You don't want a direct blast, you just want to have some of this floating in the air. Next you will have to find a way to breathe through your nose. Use the humidifier for 4 hours a day. This is designed for a normal sized room. This is where you will need a helper. Have your helper stand outside for 10 minutes and then walk into the room while the humidifier is running. There should be no detectable odor. If there is an odor detected, add more water to dilute the solution a little. This solution has 150 PPM available chlorine dioxide and virtually no free chlorine dioxide. As the vapors fill the room, you will end up breathing some of those vapors into your sinus area. As the solution encounters infection, trace amounts of chlorine dioxide will be released killing off the infection. This is not a whizz bang production, but is designed to knock the infection down a little bit at a time. After 3 - 4 days of this, you should experience an improvement. Now comes the hard part. The sinus area is supposed to have a beneficial flora in it. Infections form when the flora gets wiped out or out of balance. Chlorine dioxide will probably wipe out the flora along with the infection, so after a few days of using the humidifier, stop using it and find a way to introduce some probiotics into your sinus area. Unfortunately, the re-growth of flora in the sinus area is a slow process, and hopefully you won't get re-infected while you are trying to grow the new flora. This is a 3 - 4 day process. Make sure the level in the room is below the odor threshold, and be sure to add probiotics after the infection has been knocked down. This process (minus the addition of probiotics) has been used with chickens, turkeys, and ducks, and has been very successful in dealing with respiratory problems. In those cases the chicken coop has a lot more ventilation, and the concentration used was about 1000 PPM. The time was reduced to a fogging morning and night. I have tried this inside a house and 1000 PPM is way too high, 500 PPM is about the odor threshold, so 150 PPM should not present a problem. Having the humidifier run for 4 hours will make up for the lower PPM concentration. This is a technical procedure, so make sure you understand all of the instructions. I am not sure what probiotic will work best, but you should be able to find on by doing some research. People introduce the probiotic by using a neti pot, but there are other ways to do this if you are unable to use one. Good luck and here's hoping you achieve better health. Tom -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:22 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsinus infection/sinus washing Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi sol, sorry to hear you are unwell. Do you spray the CS up the nose? Or have you thought of a Medisana (I can't remember if you have one) Also, what about CS and H202? Dee, Well, err, it is embarrassinhg to admit I stopped misting with CS the pain I was in was so all-consuming, it simply drove everything else out of mind. I simply forgot my misting. I am using CS/DMSO nose drops, for that purpose I prefer DMSO as an additicve to H202. I do have a Medisana, that I ran at night with distilled water or CS (it mists rigfht over my face when I'm in my bed, but I haven't been able to lay down for 6 weeks, and can't find a plae to run it near the chair I spend my nights in. I also have a small hand held Omron nebulizer, with an extension tube, you made me remember it. I can get my husband to set it up for me and nebulize CS-MSM-DMSO a couple times a day. I hurry to say that misting CS didn't stop protecting me fdrom sinus infections, etrc, I stopped mistring...this is the firest sinus infection I've had in 8 years or so, and it is not a cold, just tyhe sinus. Pain meds and DMSO applicationhs help with the upper back pain from the discs, but do not help the tingling burning nerve pain in my hands..and I've done about all the tryping I can do today...so may have to postpone further replies to aother day, or keep them to one or two words, very hard for such a wordy person as myself. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives:
RE: CSRingworm
Hello Joy, You can make a very effective spray against ringworm by placing 10 ml of 5% sodium chlorite in a glass, adding 10 ml of 10% citric acid, swirl to mix and let the activation continue for 10 minutes. Put this in a spray bottle and add enough water to make a total of 500 ml. Spray it on and let it air dry. Tom -Original Message- From: beitharmony [mailto:beitharm...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 5:25 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRingworm Hi, My cat has ringworm, everything I've tried has not succeeded. Maybe my CS is not strong enough. Now she has 2 patches on her neck. I need a solution quick because she's going mad with the itching - as soon as it has only begun healing - she digs in again. An E collar won't help as she goes outside. Been there done that. Is there SUPER DUPER HEAVY DUTY CS for sale by anyone here that people can vouch for? Because you just might have a customer. Joy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNeem
Hello Ted, Did you have any doubts...? [big smile icon] Glad to hear you got rid of those pests. Tom - Original Message - From: ted mozell To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:18 PM Subject: Re: CSNeem What the heck i will jump in here!! And thank one of our members for a protocol that really worked for me thank you Poast it does work !!! that is for foot fungus on feet and under nails Sodium Chlorite and hcl you have to break down the mixtures to be able to soak your feet for one hour a day for five days straight it was the only thing that worked for me Be Well Ted On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:15 PM, bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com wrote: I have a fast fungal cure, like instantly.. Cayenne+Garlic capsules.. Cured ringworm in 1 application, and an ear fungus on my son in a couple applications (this was many years ago). I used these (broke open, placed topically): http://www.puritan.com/garlic-supplements-060/deodorized-garlic-cayenne-007700?NewPage=1 brick...@aol.com wrote: I tried Neem for toenail fungus by putting some in a 2 ounce bottle, filled with olive oil and a few eyedroppers of DMSO. I would put it on my toenails twice a day. I used the bottle up and still have toenail fungus. I am now trying 10 eyedroppers of oil of oregano then filled with olive oil. Vicks did not help, used 2 big jars. MMS foot baths and EIS foot baths did not cure the fungus. I even tried one bottle of tee tree and olive oil, no help. My toenails are much better but still have several thick toenails. One problem with Neem is that it stays thick, not in solution. Tough to get it under the toenails. Brickey
Re: CSElectrolyte ratios and amounts
Hello Dan, While I don't know the exact ratio of the various electrolytes to use, I would suggest using a conductivity meter to adjust amounts. Pick up some mineral water and measure its conductivity. Then add your electrolytes and try to come close to matching the conductivity of the mineral water. My son was wanting to drink purified water. We started with distilled water and simply added some sea salt to it. I adjusted the amount to match the conductivity of our tap water. While sea salt has some electrolyte properties, I think you are looking for something a little stronger. However you should get the idea behind this. Tom - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: CSElectrolyte ratios and amounts If one was to mix up a balanced set of electrolytes to add to distilled water for drinking and cooking uses containing, perhaps, bicarbonate of soda, magnesium chloride, and potassium chloride, what ratios would one use, and how much total, say, per gallon? Any thoughts? Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTightening Teeth
Hello Ruth, You can used either activated or unactivated sodium chlorite for oral hygiene. If your mouth is in bad shape, start off with a rinse using activated, then follow it with a swish of unactivated. Take a 500 ml container and fill it with water. Add to that 3.7 ml of 22.4% sodium chlorite. This is your base mouthwash. Take a mouthful of this and swish it around for 30 - 60 seconds, then spit it out. You can start things off using an activated solution. I would suggest putting 0.25 ml of 22.4% sodium chlorite in a glass and add to that 0.25 ml of 10% citric acid. Swirl to mix and let it activate for 10 minutes. Next add 125 ml of water. Take a mouthful of this and swish for 30 - 60 seconds, then spit it out. Repeated until you have used all of the solution up. Next take a mouthful of the unactivated mouthwash solution and rinse your mouth out and spit it out. The reason for the rinse is because the activated solution is highly acidic and the mouthwash will neutralize the acid. You may want to consider using the activated solution 2 times a week, and the unactivated solution 2 times a day. Tom - Original Message - From: Ruth Bertella To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:00 PM Subject: Re: CSTightening Teeth Another question... do I 'have' to activate the MMS to make it effective?? Here is an excerpt of what I have just finally! found on tightening teeth: So this is how to have a healthy mouth in less than one week! Mix up a 10 drop dose of MMS. Put 10 drops in a dry empty glass, add 50 drops or ¾ teaspoon of lemon juice or 10% citric acid solution, swirl to mix, and wait 3 minutes and add ¼ glass of water. Using a soft tooth brush, pour a few drops on the tooth brush and brush your gums at the point where the gums and teeth come together. Keep this up for 5 to 8 minutes or more. Be very thorough; keep adding drops to your tooth brush. Brush so that a little bit of MMS works it way under the gums where they touch the teeth. Of course brush the teeth as well. MMS will not hurt the enamel of the teeth and will kill plaque and other buildups on the teeth. If you gums and mouth is in very bad shape (bleeding, with loose wobbly teeth, aching, and bad smelling) brush as described above three or four times a day for several days. Also floss you teeth while holding small amounts of MMS in you mouth. No matter how bad, if you brush and floss properly, they will be mostly cleared up within a week. Give them three weeks for the gums to be completely cleared up, and hard. It may take up to 2 months until all teeth are solid like they were welded in place. After being treated with MMS it will normally be unnecessary to pull most of the teeth that would otherwise need pulling. However, if there are teeth that you are sure will need to be pulled, don't wait until the teeth are solidly in place. At that point they will be extremely hard to pull as they will become attached to the jaw bone as nature meant them to be. So far all those people who have called to say it didn't work, have also called to say that once they used MMS right, their mouth cleared up. MMS is a weak oxidizer and cannot hurt anything in the mouth or body except pathogens. Once your mouth is completely healthy, you will not need to floss and you will need to brush with MMS only once or twice a week. Thanks Day Steve for your great suggestions... those are being added to my file and/or arsenal as well! Ruth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDecontaminating pickle jars with clay so can use to make colloidal silver in them
Hello Garrick, If that doesn't work, simply add a strong solution of chlorine dioxide to the water in the jar and let it sit overnight. Tom - Original Message - From: Garrick To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:03 AM Subject: CSDecontaminating pickle jars with clay so can use to make colloidal silver in them This is my theory which I am going to test out. I have a former pickle jar that smells even after washing scrubbing with soap and water. I am going to fill it to the top with a thick clay slurry and leave it in the sun for a week My theory is that clay will pull out the food/pickle ions that made their way into the glass. Maybe this process will take a month REASONING-- sometimes you have this ideal jar due to the volume, electrode length and spacing it can accommodate ...You want to make colloidal silver in it but it is a former pickle jar. Ideally you want to make silver in small batches due to the decline in uS that takes place. So you just might have the perfect smaller jar in mind but, dang! dang! dang! it was used for pickles, olives or spaghetti or tomato sauce. Fact is most glass jars you will find in supermarkets have acidic foods in them because these acidic foods would taste like crap if sold in a tin can. Glass resists these foods but still they worm their way into the glass. So supermarket glass is an amusing trap. Lots of glass there but all with acid foods in them that throw off the colloidal silver making If you don't want to buy clay but you have clay in your soil. Just use that in a thick slurry Thanks Garrick
Re: CSBrown EIS concentrate - What is happening? Photographic memory?
Hello Marshall, That was the first test... The second and third tests were done with EIS right out of the bottle. Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:27 AM Subject: Re: CSBrown EIS concentrate - What is happening? Photographic memory? If I recall, you were applying it to your skin. If so then it could be from the oils on your skin or sweat on your skin. In you case I believe it was from oils on your skin. Marshall poast wrote: Hello Marshall, So how did I get hydrogen sulfide, sulfuric acid, or other sulfur compounds into my EIS while I was making it? By the way, I had a sample of Silver Biotics EIS do the same thing. Am I correct in concluding that EIS is photo sensitive? Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:39 PM Subject: Re: CSBrown EIS concentrate - What is happening? Photographic memory? Sepia tone is silver sulfide. Silver will react with active forms of sulfur to get this, hydrogen sulfide (rotten eggs, flatulence), sulfuric acid and other sulfur compounds. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBrown EIS concentrate - What is happening? Photographic memory?
Hello Marshall, So how did I get hydrogen sulfide, sulfuric acid, or other sulfur compounds into my EIS while I was making it? By the way, I had a sample of Silver Biotics EIS do the same thing. Am I correct in concluding that EIS is photo sensitive? Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:39 PM Subject: Re: CSBrown EIS concentrate - What is happening? Photographic memory? Sepia tone is silver sulfide. Silver will react with active forms of sulfur to get this, hydrogen sulfide (rotten eggs, flatulence), sulfuric acid and other sulfur compounds. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBrown EIS concentrate - What is happening?
Hello Ode, OK, that makes sense. Thanks. Tom - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:28 AM Subject: Re: CSBrown EIS concentrate - What is happening? As ionic silver evaporates, the ions oxidize into brown to black silver oxide. They can't survive as ions without the water. It wasn't a photo reaction, it was evaporation. Ode At 03:28 PM 5/12/2010 -0800, you wrote: I have a small abrasion on my forearm. I decided to dip a cotton ball in some of my EIS concentrate and tape it to my arm for a couple of hours. I was out in the sun for part of that time. When I came back in, I noticed that the cotton ball had turned brown. I then took a fresh cotton ball, soaked it with the EIS concentrate and set it outside in the sun. It turned brown in a little over 15 minutes. I then took another fresh cotton ball and soaked it with my EIS and set it outside in the sun. To my surprise, it also turned brown. When I make EIS, I start with distilled water that has a conductivity of less than 0.5 uSeimens, and the EIS comes in at about 14 uSeimens of conductivity. To make the EIS concentrate I put EIS in a stainless pan and warm it up. When the volume is reduced to about half, I stop. In this case the conductivity came in at 34 uSeimens. The solution remains clear and there is no percipitate of silver in the bottom of the bottle that it is stored in. This concentrate is for external use only and I have done this several times without incident. Why is my EIS and my EIS concentrate photo sensitive? Is this normal? The brown is like a dark sepia tone. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBrown EIS concentrate - What is happening?
I have a small abrasion on my forearm. I decided to dip a cotton ball in some of my EIS concentrate and tape it to my arm for a couple of hours. I was out in the sun for part of that time. When I came back in, I noticed that the cotton ball had turned brown. I then took a fresh cotton ball, soaked it with the EIS concentrate and set it outside in the sun. It turned brown in a little over 15 minutes. I then took another fresh cotton ball and soaked it with my EIS and set it outside in the sun. To my surprise, it also turned brown. When I make EIS, I start with distilled water that has a conductivity of less than 0.5 uSeimens, and the EIS comes in at about 14 uSeimens of conductivity. To make the EIS concentrate I put EIS in a stainless pan and warm it up. When the volume is reduced to about half, I stop. In this case the conductivity came in at 34 uSeimens. The solution remains clear and there is no percipitate of silver in the bottom of the bottle that it is stored in. This concentrate is for external use only and I have done this several times without incident. Why is my EIS and my EIS concentrate photo sensitive? Is this normal? The brown is like a dark sepia tone. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIonic silver in plastic
Hello Beth, I am under the impression that HDPE and PET plastic is stable for use with ionic silver concentrations of 20 PPM or lower. Tom - Original Message - From: Bethany Methven To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:09 AM Subject: CSIonic silver in plastic If anyone has some info on how ionic silver acts when stored in plastic, I would appreciate some help. I usually store and sell ICS in amber glass, but have started offering people a gallon in a plastic jug. I have been telling them it is best to trasfer it to a glass container for long term storage. So, I am curious, does the ionic silver react instantly with the plastic? What amount of time is considered safe to store it in plastic before it is trasfered to a glass storage container? I have heard that the plastic chemicals will bind with the ions and destabalize the suspension. Is this true? Thanks for any help you can give me. - Beth Methven Colloidal Silver - Try a natural antibiotic that has been used for thousands of years! (907) 357-8954 or methvencolloidalsil...@yahoo.com --- On Thu, 5/6/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #485 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 7:38 AM
Re: CSNasal spray (UNCLASSIFIED)
Hello PT, Mix up a glass of chlorine dioxide and dunk the shower head into it and hold it for 30 seconds. No more bugs. Tom - Original Message - From: needling around To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:30 PM Subject: Re: CSNasal spray (UNCLASSIFIED) I recently listened to an NPR report on how there is a microbe that lives in plastic shower heads. They recommended a brass shower head. I couldn't find one that didn't have plastic inserts where the water jets exit! PT
Re: CSNasal spray (UNCLASSIFIED)
Hello Bodhisattva, Yes, D3 is used to kill rodents... However, did you happen to notice the amounts needed? I believe the LD50 for rats is around 43 mg/kg of weight. The standard dose of D3 recommended for people is 5000 IU. D3 resin has 2800 IU per gram, or 28000 IU per milligram. If a rat weighs 90 kg, it would take 4050 mg of D3 to achieve killing half of the population you are testing. 4050 mg is 11340 IU. This is a lot more than the 5000 IU recommended. I believe the old adage is that water will kill you if you drink enough. I wonder what the LD50 is to kill rodents by filling them with water... While this is an interesting use of D3, it is nothing to be alarmed about concerning taking D3 to build your serum levels to a therapeutic range. Tom - Original Message - From: bodhisattva To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:21 AM Subject: Re: CSNasal spray (UNCLASSIFIED) I'm not mixing up the D's, look at the MHDS yourself, it's for D3. D3 is a STRONG acidic, oxidising agent. It's D3 that makes the most effective Rat Poison, along with ZyclonB and Fluoride of course. http://ull.chemistry.uakron.edu/erd/Chemicals/8000/7235.html Chronic ingestion may cause effects similar to those of acute ingestion. Ingestion May be fatal if swallowed. May cause irritation of the digestive tract. May cause kidney damage. May cause cardiac disturbances. Ingestion may lead to mental retardation. Hazard class 6.1 Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Yes but some articles have said more or less the same of colloidal silver. Are you sure you are not mixing up your D's--because I believe D2 is harder to assimilate. dee On 21 Apr 2010, at 02:52, bodhisattva wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodenticide Remember, Fluoride, ZyclonB and VitaminD are potent rodent killers, and as a consequence, the first two were used to great effect to gas humans in mass quantities. Look at the other fun Rodenticides, and discover where those are added to the things in your life. Some contrail tests claim they always find a lot of barium, which of course is another rat poison. Seems to be a trend these days, you know? http://ull.chemistr y.uakron. edu/erd/Chemical s/8000/7235. html VITAMIN D - EC Classvery toxic RTECS class Reproductive Effector; Human Data Poison_Class2 Exposure effects
Re: CSNasal spray (UNCLASSIFIED)
Hello Tina, No. It is difficult to get enough light from LED's to do much good, unless you get a whole pannel of them. Stick with the D3 suppliments. Tom - Original Message - From: Christina Mattson To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:24 PM Subject: Re: CSNasal spray (UNCLASSIFIED) OK, now you guy's are scaring me, I have been told by by a holistic doctor and it was also recommended by a Pediatrician who also is a geneticist and specialist on children with Down syndrome to give vitamin D to my son. One said to increase vitamin D supplements to 1000 IU and the other said to give him up to 5000 IU because we don't get near enough here in Alaska especially when there's only a few hours of daylight in winter. Does anyone think Red LED light would be a suitable substitute? Tina
Re: CSSilver for astmatics
Hello Bodhisattva, Do you happen to know what your blood levels of vitamin D are? You may be in an area that has the proper sun and may spend enough time outside to get all the D you need. If that is the case, you don't need to worry about D. On the other hand, if your vitamin D levels are low, you may need more than a tin or two of sardines and may want to consider a vacation in the tropics. Tom - Original Message - From: bodhisattva To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:30 PM Subject: Re: CSSilver for astmatics Sardines are about $1.00 a can in most locations, olive oil based are the best in my opinion, and I like the ones with the skin and bones. They aren't cheap. Since they are very small, usually young, the toxic content of them is extremely minute, or in many cases, non-existent. Sardines are pretty safe, and are a super food, lots of magnesium in them too! Regardless of what they tell us, I absolutely do not believe D3 is a precursor to whatever you'd get from the sun, or sardines, I don't think the so-called experts are all that authoritative, especially with nature.. It's just not natural in my opinion, and I tend to go with the most natural solution to any problems when possible. Often, food is our medicine, and simple diet adjustments can offer some pretty measurable improvements in health. You can only trash your body so long before it starts to rebel, it works very hard to keep you healthy, against all odds at times! I don't believe anyone needs 15K IU of synthetic D a day, that just sounds ridiculous to me. But I'm not about to tell anyone what to do with their free will, it is your body and I have nothing but respect for you.. For me, I don't even like D in my milk, I'd love for raw milk to not be Illegal in this country (people are arrested in this country for selling real milk, can you believe that?), it's considered a super-powered food. Yogas have lived for decades with perfect health just consuming heated milk with a dash of ginger. Very good stuff, but over cooking it destroys a whole lot of the goodness in it. If you pay attention to trends, you'll see a whole lot of really beneficial things eventually get stuff done to them so they aren't so beneficial. Much of this we can thank our so-called govt. that represents the people. Milk - Hormones, overcooked, fortified with D, Antibiotics, watered down, etc. Almonds - Superfood when raw, govt passed a law requiring them all to be Radiated. Not so good anymore. Camphor - Incredible amounts of uses, very medicinal, banned in it's pure form, and over 10% concentration. Water - Chlorinated w/nasty byproducts, fluoridated (toxin), and reprocessed very quickly from waste. (we're energetically consuming our own feces) Tobacco - Very medicinal, anti-parasitic, but commercial tobacco has too many additives, and is radioactive. Seeds - GMO, Animal DNA, Pesticide Enzymes, it's all a big mess, you know? Fortified is a joke. The list is huge, I will stop here for now, suffice it to say, these people contaminate everything they get involved in.
Re: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold
Hello Leslie, MMS is a particular concentration of sodium chlorite and a protocol for ingesting it. There are many different concentrations of sodium chlorite that are used in industry. One industrial use involves keeping mold and mildew from forming in areas like walk in coolers. MMS is too high a concentration to be safely used in an application like that. Tom - Original Message - From: Leslie To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold Isn't that MMS?
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hello Roger, I made 2 calibration solutions. I first used the supplied calibration solution to calibrate my meter. Then I mixed my solutions and tested them. This gives me a primary calibration, and two secondary check points. I put 1 ml of PH 7 test solution in 499 ml of my tap water. This gives me 123 uS. I then put 1 ml of PH 7 test solution in 499 ml of distilled water. This gives me 30 uS. Since I use PH meters a lot, I have a lot of the test solutions and keep them fresh. I don't know if the conductivity will vary from batch to batch, but I will have to go through a liter of my test solution before I will find out. Tom - Original Message - From: Roger Barker rbar...@clear.net.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 7:36 PM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Just as a matter of interest. Does anyone know how to make/mix the calibration solution for a pH meter? Cheers, Roger B NZ On 19/04/2010, at 2:24 PM, poast wrote: Hello Malcolm, While I totally agree with you, it is just too much fun to simply stop. This batch will be played with to death and never consumed. The saga continues. I decided to add some baking soda to the solution to balance the PH. The PH had dropped to about 3 and I brought it back up to 6.8. Next I added some ascorbic acid and it turned brown, then almost immediately turned clear again. I added more and the same thing happened. More is added and the same thing happens again. Finally I ended up with a gray layer at the bottom of the jar, but the rest of the solution is clear. I just shook it up to see what happens. The PH is now back to 4.6. Very interesting stuff. I hold it up to the light with the sun at my back and it looks bluish gray. When I turn around and look at the sun through the solution it looks dark amber. I find it interesting that I still have a great Tyndal effect and that the solution is staying clear. Oh well, I will exercise (or as Dok commented exOrcise) it a few more times and see what happens. Thanks for your help in trying to figure this out. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hello Tony, Yes, this could turn into a major project... I will have to think about this before I decide if it has any real value. I was very pleased to see the reaction reverse, and was even more pleased to see reverse several times. Right now I am stuck with a solution that keeps using up the ascorbic acid, then turns clear again. More head scratching. Tom - Original Message - From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:15 PM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS OKay, ! So it looks like if you add stuff to the distilled water then conductivity jumps. :-) I haven't got graph paper at hand but sketching that looks like a nice smooth curve through the ends of the jumps. Adding citric acid seems to increase by about 1.35 of previous citric acid jump and adding h2o2 seem to be about 22% of the previous citric acid jump, except the pegged data may be a bit cramped. It doesn't seem to go backwards like you said I think! !? Hmm, its all a bit hectic and interesting. Where does it stop? ( my guess is that it levels off at about 300 after about 6 to 8 AddAdds ; something like that.) Does working with diluted reagents make a difference? Do the numbers change with time? ( if you keep a sample of each jump does it change with time? ) Thinks: To see if there is a difference I'd maybe do a bunch of runs with distilled water as a control and the EIS , and see if there is a difference between the two. Then you'd have to do another set on each AddAdd, of what happens with time. That's what we are looking for yes? Have fun, Tony On 18 Apr 2010 at 17:24, poast wrote about : Subject : Re: CSYO YO EIS Hello Tony, My distilled water starts at 0.3 uS. Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 80 uS. Add H2O2 and it jumps up to 98 uS. Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 146 uS. Add H2O2 and it jumps up to 161 uS. Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 191 uS. Add H202 and it goes just over 200 uS. 200 uS is the upper limit of my meter. Tom - Original Message - From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:51 PM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Hi Tom, How about do the same exercise with distilled water with respect to the conductivity OK, tony On 16 Apr 2010 at 21:09, poast wrote about : Subject : CSYO YO EIS I have been exercising some EIS over the past few days. I started out with a solution that had a conductivity of about 15 uS. I added a very small amount of ascorbic acid. The solution turned amber brown, then went to grey. However, when I held it up to sunlight, it was more amber, but under the kitchen light it was grey. I then added some H2O2 and didn't think it was going to do anything, but the next day the solution was clear, with a good Tyndale effect. Conductivity is up to 25 uS. I then added some more ascorbic acid, and once again ended up with a grey solution. Add more H2O2 and after a while it clears back up. At this point the conductivity of the solution was about 75 uS. Once again I add some ascorbic acid. This time there wasn't much of a reaction. I added a little more, and after some time the solution turned to a light grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is now up to 115 uS. Added more ascorbic acid and nothing happened. Added more and finally the reaction started. Let it sit for a few hours, and once again the solution is slightly grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is up to 185 uS. Questions... What is going on? Have I worn this solution out, or is it still good for something? Is the increase in conductivity due to the addition of the ascorbic acid? Or am I chemically making a higher concentration? Is this similar to what goes on inside the body? Is this of any use to anyone? It was a fun experiment, but I am not sure if it has value. I have to confess that I am having too much fun. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH202 - again
Hello Ode, Oh my, where have I been... I totally missed out on that. Raised 3 boys and never once had them bring this up. Wow. I am going to have to try it out. Tom - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 3:18 AM Subject: Re: CSH202 - again Where have you BEEN? Google mentos and soda Mentos rockets etc Ode At 05:28 PM 4/18/2010 -0800, you wrote: Hello Ode, Mentos and soda pop...? Is there a story that goes with that? Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold
Hello Garrick, Assuming that you need 4 liters for your fogger and you are simply trying to prevent mold and mildew from forming... Place 80 ml of 5% sodium chlorite in a container and add 16 ml of 50% citric acid. Swirl together and let this activate for 10 minutes. Then add it to the 4 liters of water in your fogger. You want to set the fogger to a very fine mist and then you fog from one end of the room, then move the fogger to the other end of the room and fog back to were the fogger was initially. You can also fog around the perimeter of the room. You have to be mindful to avoid the fumes. This solution has 600 PPM available chlorine dioxide (it should not bleach but it is best to take care not to spill any) and 120 PPM of that is free chlorine dioxide. The chlorous acid residual will offer protection against further mold and mildew growth for 2 - 6 weeks depending on atmospheric conditions. When you are done, be sure to run some water through your fogger. The chlorous acid solution will make the plastic of the fogger brittle and it will break if it is not rinsed out. Tom - Original Message - From: Garrick To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 4:51 AM Subject: Re: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold Hi I would be interested in mixing instructions for future reference. I have MMS, I have citric acid which is cheap on eBay. I even know a sodium chlorite supplier. My take on MMS is that it disrupts digestion of cooked foods. Might be better on a raw diet or juice fast or a mix of the two. Thanx G __ __ On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:30 PM, poast po...@prodigy.net wrote: Hello Lisa, I would suggest mixing up a chlorous acid solution and fogging it in. If you don't have a fogger, a garden sprayer will work. Chlorous acid is made by adding citric acid to sodium chlorite. Do you have access to these chemicals or know anything about them? When you apply this to the room, it will stabilize the situation. It will keep mold and mildew from forming, and kill off any that is just starting to form. Let me know if you want to go this way and I can give you the mixing instructions and all the help you need in applying it. Tom - Original Message - From: Lisa To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:18 PM Subject: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold Hi All, Our boiler died on Friday leaving us with several inches of water in the basement which traveled to carpeted areas. We have vacuumed and also have a dehumidifier running…and it’s lots better but definitely still damp. It wasn’t caught right away so there was steam everywhere and condensation on the walls (almost like a sauna etc.). The boiler will be fixed this week (hopefully…funds are low blah blah blah) but my major concern is mold and mildew. Does anybody have any ideas on how to PREVENT mold from starting? Anything would be helpful as I’m just about clueless…we can’t afford Serve Pro or any other professional to come in and help. I do have a pretty good sized fan (it sounds like an airplane) that I can use…but it’s been raining all weekend (yea…NOT!) and didn’t think it made any sense opening up the windows to potentially allow any more moisture IN. Anybody? Please? And I thank you for even the silliest idea as aside from running the dehumidifier (which by no means is commercial) – I honestly don’t have a clue. Thanks SO much. Lisa -- Gurdjieff-- How can you expect fairness and decency on a planet of sleeping people?
Re: CSH202 - again
Hello Leslie, It is the PWT by Hanna. There are several sources for it, but I got mine from Trem at SilverGen. I think he is selling for around $77 with the calibration solution. Tom - Original Message - From: leslie leslie1...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: Re: CSH202 - again How much does that meter cost? My batteries are out of that TDS (?) meter and it takes 4 or 6 which is 6.75 at Utopia. I am not sure that is a really good meter either, so thinking to get another kind. thanks, Leslie - Original Message - From: poast po...@prodigy.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:32 AM Subject: Re: CSH202 - again Hello Leslie, My son complains of the drinking water in his city. We took the PWT meter and checked our water, which is absolutely great, and then added sea salt to distilled water to get the same conductivity reading. We came up with adding 0.6 grams of the sea salt to 1 gallon of distilled water. Tom - Original Message - From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:12 AM Subject: Re: CSH202 - again I have started drinking distilled water only. Should I be taking extra minerals?? Our water is terrible and bad things added also like Chlorine. - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:22 PM Subject: Re: CSH202 - again Dee, I would personally use distilled, but then I use distilled for nearly everything, to avoid the contaminants in the tap water. But the way to decide would be to consider what you plan to use that H202 for, and whether tap water minerals and contaminants are going to be undesireable for those uses. sol Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Can anyone (Tony?) tell me if I should use tap water or distilled water when making my 3% H202. If it is alright to use tap I would rather do this, but if it is *really* necessary to use DW then I will do that. I noticed on the H202 site it just mentions water. dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH202 - again
Hello Leslie, You are going to laugh at this, but we are using Aquarium salt. My son just went to the pet store and that is what he came back with. I have no idea how it stacks up to the other salts, but fish love it. I figure if it doesn't kill the fish it is probably OK to use. Tom - Original Message - From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 8:53 PM Subject: Re: CSH202 - again Did you use that Himalaya salt or plain sea salt from the health food store? I use that anyway. - Original Message - From: poast po...@prodigy.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:32 AM Subject: Re: CSH202 - again Hello Leslie, My son complains of the drinking water in his city. We took the PWT meter and checked our water, which is absolutely great, and then added sea salt to distilled water to get the same conductivity reading. We came up with adding 0.6 grams of the sea salt to 1 gallon of distilled water. Tom - Original Message - From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:12 AM Subject: Re: CSH202 - again I have started drinking distilled water only. Should I be taking extra minerals?? Our water is terrible and bad things added also like Chlorine. - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:22 PM Subject: Re: CSH202 - again Dee, I would personally use distilled, but then I use distilled for nearly everything, to avoid the contaminants in the tap water. But the way to decide would be to consider what you plan to use that H202 for, and whether tap water minerals and contaminants are going to be undesireable for those uses. sol Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Can anyone (Tony?) tell me if I should use tap water or distilled water when making my 3% H202. If it is alright to use tap I would rather do this, but if it is *really* necessary to use DW then I will do that. I noticed on the H202 site it just mentions water. dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hello Tony, My distilled water starts at 0.3 uS. Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 80 uS. Add H2O2 and it jumps up to 98 uS. Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 146 uS. Add H2O2 and it jumps up to 161 uS. Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 191 uS. Add H202 and it goes just over 200 uS. 200 uS is the upper limit of my meter. Tom - Original Message - From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:51 PM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Hi Tom, How about do the same exercise with distilled water with respect to the conductivity OK, tony On 16 Apr 2010 at 21:09, poast wrote about : Subject : CSYO YO EIS I have been exercising some EIS over the past few days. I started out with a solution that had a conductivity of about 15 uS. I added a very small amount of ascorbic acid. The solution turned amber brown, then went to grey. However, when I held it up to sunlight, it was more amber, but under the kitchen light it was grey. I then added some H2O2 and didn't think it was going to do anything, but the next day the solution was clear, with a good Tyndale effect. Conductivity is up to 25 uS. I then added some more ascorbic acid, and once again ended up with a grey solution. Add more H2O2 and after a while it clears back up. At this point the conductivity of the solution was about 75 uS. Once again I add some ascorbic acid. This time there wasn't much of a reaction. I added a little more, and after some time the solution turned to a light grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is now up to 115 uS. Added more ascorbic acid and nothing happened. Added more and finally the reaction started. Let it sit for a few hours, and once again the solution is slightly grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is up to 185 uS. Questions... What is going on? Have I worn this solution out, or is it still good for something? Is the increase in conductivity due to the addition of the ascorbic acid? Or am I chemically making a higher concentration? Is this similar to what goes on inside the body? Is this of any use to anyone? It was a fun experiment, but I am not sure if it has value. I have to confess that I am having too much fun. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH202 - again
Hello Ode, Correction... Distilled water is like rain water before it falls through all the dust and other crap in the air. Tom - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:36 PM Subject: Re: CSH202 - again Distilled is like...rain water. I'd think that most of your minerals come from food anyhow...but sure, take minerals in either case if you think you need them. ode At 02:12 PM 4/17/2010 -0500, you wrote: I have started drinking distilled water only. Should I be taking extra minerals?? Our water is terrible and bad things added also like Chlorine. - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:22 PM Subject: Re: CSH202 - again Dee, I would personally use distilled, but then I use distilled for nearly everything, to avoid the contaminants in the tap water. But the way to decide would be to consider what you plan to use that H202 for, and whether tap water minerals and contaminants are going to be undesireable for those uses. sol Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Can anyone (Tony?) tell me if I should use tap water or distilled water when making my 3% H202. If it is alright to use tap I would rather do this, but if it is *really* necessary to use DW then I will do that. I noticed on the H202 site it just mentions water. dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH202 - again
Hello Ode, Mentos and soda pop...? Is there a story that goes with that? Tom - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:02 AM Subject: Re: CSH202 - again Your mouth dried out because you slept with it open all night and blew wind across everything...leaving the minerals behind. The bodies membranes work like intelligent reverse osmosis filters to maintain balances. I suppose they can be overloaded, but underloaded is questionable. I seriously doubt you'll lose anything by drinking pure water, nor do you have any control over how much of *what* minerals are in impure water. ..and try getting pure Broccoli or Spinach or deer burger..'tain't no such a thang. although, it has been rumored that eating too much eggplant WILL make you cluck in your sleep all night and grow feathers. Oh yea..diluting H2O2 with tap water will probably make the stuff go flat faster, like Mentos and soda pop. Surface nucleation of bubbles...not to mention oxidizing any organic content. ode At 02:36 PM 4/17/2010 -0500, you wrote: WOW. I was wondering as at night my mouth gets dry like I am dehydrated. Thanks for responding. Leslie - Original Message - From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 2:29 PM Subject: Re: CSH202 - again I have read that distilled water not only does not provide the body with minerals but actually acts as a magnet and draws them out of the body. I read this a long time ago and it seemed plausible. PT - Original Message - From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 3:12 PM Subject: Re: CSH202 - again I have started drinking distilled water only. Should I be taking extra minerals?? Our water is terrible and bad things added also like Chlorine. - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:22 PM Subject: Re: CSH202 - again Dee, I would personally use distilled, but then I use distilled for nearly everything, to avoid the contaminants in the tap water. But the way to decide would be to consider what you plan to use that H202 for, and whether tap water minerals and contaminants are going to be undesireable for those uses. sol Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Can anyone (Tony?) tell me if I should use tap water or distilled water when making my 3% H202. If it is alright to use tap I would rather do this, but if it is *really* necessary to use DW then I will do that. I noticed on the H202 site it just mentions water. dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hello Malcolm, While I totally agree with you, it is just too much fun to simply stop. This batch will be played with to death and never consumed. The saga continues. I decided to add some baking soda to the solution to balance the PH. The PH had dropped to about 3 and I brought it back up to 6.8. Next I added some ascorbic acid and it turned brown, then almost immediately turned clear again. I added more and the same thing happened. More is added and the same thing happens again. Finally I ended up with a gray layer at the bottom of the jar, but the rest of the solution is clear. I just shook it up to see what happens. The PH is now back to 4.6. Very interesting stuff. I hold it up to the light with the sun at my back and it looks bluish gray. When I turn around and look at the sun through the solution it looks dark amber. I find it interesting that I still have a great Tyndal effect and that the solution is staying clear. Oh well, I will exercise (or as Dok commented exOrcise) it a few more times and see what happens. Thanks for your help in trying to figure this out. Tom - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:11 AM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Hi Tom, We've reached (and surpassed!) the limits of my chemistry education; I'd stick with either the citric acid protocol that Steve Norton has put forth, or straight EIS. I doubt there's anything to be gained by titrating higher concentrations of Ascorbic acid against hydrogen peroxide with a vague grey cloud of silver-whatever-ide as an indicator; stick to plain silver citrate. Adding H2O2 to EIS? I dunno, some people do, some don't. I make mine as clean as I can and take it straight. I, nor most people have much real knowledge of what goes on inside the body - there could be twenty different reaction intermediates between what goes in, and what comes out, and most of us none the wiser. Check out the Wiki article for just how weird ascorbic acid reactions are as a tiny example of that! Take care, Malcolm On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 21:21 -0800, poast wrote: Hello Malcolm, OK, so I am seeing a build up on ascorbic acid ions. Do you think this solution is good for anything? Would you drink it? Does a reaction something like this go on inside the body? Tom - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:01 PM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Hi, My best guess; you're measuring the conductivity of a weak acid, ascorbic. It likes to interact with hydrogen peroxide. Here's the story from wiki, and I suspect the silver ion is just getting booted around becoming an oxide, then an ion, etc. Dunno; Marshall or Steve are the chemists, but the reaction between H2O2 and ascorbic stops the classic free-radical 'Jacob's ladder' of monoatomic oxygen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid Take care, Malcolm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold
Hello Lisa, I would suggest mixing up a chlorous acid solution and fogging it in. If you don't have a fogger, a garden sprayer will work. Chlorous acid is made by adding citric acid to sodium chlorite. Do you have access to these chemicals or know anything about them? When you apply this to the room, it will stabilize the situation. It will keep mold and mildew from forming, and kill off any that is just starting to form. Let me know if you want to go this way and I can give you the mixing instructions and all the help you need in applying it. Tom - Original Message - From: Lisa To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:18 PM Subject: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold Hi All, Our boiler died on Friday leaving us with several inches of water in the basement which traveled to carpeted areas. We have vacuumed and also have a dehumidifier running.and it's lots better but definitely still damp. It wasn't caught right away so there was steam everywhere and condensation on the walls (almost like a sauna etc.). The boiler will be fixed this week (hopefully.funds are low blah blah blah) but my major concern is mold and mildew. Does anybody have any ideas on how to PREVENT mold from starting? Anything would be helpful as I'm just about clueless.we can't afford Serve Pro or any other professional to come in and help. I do have a pretty good sized fan (it sounds like an airplane) that I can use.but it's been raining all weekend (yea.NOT!) and didn't think it made any sense opening up the windows to potentially allow any more moisture IN. Anybody? Please? And I thank you for even the silliest idea as aside from running the dehumidifier (which by no means is commercial) - I honestly don't have a clue. Thanks SO much. Lisa
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hello Malcolm, OK, so I am seeing a build up on ascorbic acid ions. Do you think this solution is good for anything? Would you drink it? Does a reaction something like this go on inside the body? Tom - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:01 PM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Hi, My best guess; you're measuring the conductivity of a weak acid, ascorbic. It likes to interact with hydrogen peroxide. Here's the story from wiki, and I suspect the silver ion is just getting booted around becoming an oxide, then an ion, etc. Dunno; Marshall or Steve are the chemists, but the reaction between H2O2 and ascorbic stops the classic free-radical 'Jacob's ladder' of monoatomic oxygen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid Take care, Malcolm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hello Dee, I would like to know what I ended up with too. The problem is that I only seem to be able to make clear EIS. Clear can be boring at times, so I thought I would spice things up a little... :) Actually I was just interested to see if the process was reversible. That part of the test was successful. The problem with testing is that while you do answer some questions, you often are left with may unanswered ones. Tom - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 3:36 AM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS I would love to know what you ended up with Tom! and I worry about a couple of drops of H202 and a slightly yellow solution! lol dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH202 - again
Hello Dee, I would recommend using distilled water. That way you know what you have. Sometimes tap water can contain things that can reduce the strength of your solution. Distilled water is usually free from impurities. Tom - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 3:46 AM Subject: CSH202 - again Can anyone (Tony?) tell me if I should use tap water or distilled water when making my 3% H202. If it is alright to use tap I would rather do this, but if it is *really* necessary to use DW then I will do that. I noticed on the H202 site it just mentions water. dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH202 - again
Hello Leslie, My son complains of the drinking water in his city. We took the PWT meter and checked our water, which is absolutely great, and then added sea salt to distilled water to get the same conductivity reading. We came up with adding 0.6 grams of the sea salt to 1 gallon of distilled water. Tom - Original Message - From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:12 AM Subject: Re: CSH202 - again I have started drinking distilled water only. Should I be taking extra minerals?? Our water is terrible and bad things added also like Chlorine. - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:22 PM Subject: Re: CSH202 - again Dee, I would personally use distilled, but then I use distilled for nearly everything, to avoid the contaminants in the tap water. But the way to decide would be to consider what you plan to use that H202 for, and whether tap water minerals and contaminants are going to be undesireable for those uses. sol Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Can anyone (Tony?) tell me if I should use tap water or distilled water when making my 3% H202. If it is alright to use tap I would rather do this, but if it is *really* necessary to use DW then I will do that. I noticed on the H202 site it just mentions water. dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
It has been about a month now, and I decided to check my 100% colloidal solution. I opened the lid, and the solution is brown. Maybe closer to reddish brown. It has a weak tyndale effect. This is the solution that I added baking soda to in an effort to raise the PH to neutral. Is brown good? Any ideas? Tom - Original Message - From: poast po...@prodigy.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS Hello Steve, Original color was clear, upon adding the ascorbic acid the solution turned cloudy but the color was still clear, after a few days most of the cloudiness cleared up and it is still clear in color. The tyndall effect is much stronger after adding the ascorbic acid. Tom - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:58 AM Subject: RE: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS Tom, What was the color of your solution before and after adding ascorbic acid? Did the color change after the precipitated occurred? Thanks, Steve N - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSYO YO EIS
I have been exercising some EIS over the past few days. I started out with a solution that had a conductivity of about 15 uS. I added a very small amount of ascorbic acid. The solution turned amber brown, then went to grey. However, when I held it up to sunlight, it was more amber, but under the kitchen light it was grey. I then added some H2O2 and didn't think it was going to do anything, but the next day the solution was clear, with a good Tyndale effect. Conductivity is up to 25 uS. I then added some more ascorbic acid, and once again ended up with a grey solution. Add more H2O2 and after a while it clears back up. At this point the conductivity of the solution was about 75 uS. Once again I add some ascorbic acid. This time there wasn't much of a reaction. I added a little more, and after some time the solution turned to a light grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is now up to 115 uS. Added more ascorbic acid and nothing happened. Added more and finally the reaction started. Let it sit for a few hours, and once again the solution is slightly grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is up to 185 uS. Questions... What is going on? Have I worn this solution out, or is it still good for something? Is the increase in conductivity due to the addition of the ascorbic acid? Or am I chemically making a higher concentration? Is this similar to what goes on inside the body? Is this of any use to anyone? It was a fun experiment, but I am not sure if it has value. I have to confess that I am having too much fun. Tom
Re: CSSolid sodium chlorite mold killer
Hello Kathy, To kill off a fungus using chlorine dioxide you need a CT of around 100. A high concentration would cause respiratory distress, so you would have to increase the time at a lower concentration. There has been some anecdotal evidence that in addition to removing mold and mildew from a room, the 30 day release packets have also help with asthma. I think the key here is to start small. If you detect the chlorine dioxide odor, the concentration is too high. It is difficult to measure the concentration of chlorine dioxide in air, but the threshold of detection is in the 0.4 - 0.6 PPM range. The CT of 100 would require being in a room with this concentration for about 200 hours. The body works differently than industrial applications, so I would probably double the amount of time. That brings the total up to 400 hours, or almost 17 days. Since you may only spend half of your time in the house, figure a month. That works out very convenient... you need about 30 days, and the packets last about 30 days. I usually use the medium packets, but you may want to pick up some of the small and medium packets. This will allow you to adjust the concentration as needed. Now, IF your body can tolerate this, IF the problem is actually a fungus, and IF this allows the chlorine dioxide to come into contact with the fungus, it should work. A lot of IF's. It is important to pay close attention to your body and at the slightest hint of adverse reaction to remove the packets and open the doors for a few minutes. There is a very fine line here so you have to be somewhat adapt at tightrope walking. Chlorine dioxide may not be the best method of dealing with this, but this information should help you evaluate it use. Tom - Original Message - From: Kathy Tankersley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 4:03 AM Subject: Re: CSSolid sodium chlorite mold killer Hello Tom, I have no idea how to go about identifying the bacteria, fungus or virus. When I get an infection in my lungs, I'm told that I could have a fungus, always given anti-botics (Maybe several doses0 and prednisone. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks, Kathy - Original Message - From: poast To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 10:34 PM Subject: Re: CSSolid sodium chlorite mold killer Hello Kathy, I was just wondering... Have you been able to identify the bacteria, fungus, or virus that causes asthma? Chlorine dioxide is used to kill off bacteria, fungi and viruses. If you can identify the one that you are dealing with, you can get an idea of what it takes to kill if off. Tom - Original Message - From: Kathy Tankersley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 11:00 AM Subject: Re: CSSolid sodium chlorite mold killer I wanted to ask Richard Loyd what he thinks of a person taking MMS internally for asthma? I got Jim Humbles's book and now I'm halfway afraid of taking it. Comment?Thanks...Kathy
Re: CSNail Fungus Treatment with Chlorine Dioxide revised for PH balancing.
Oops... I forgot to mention that this solution has a PH of around 3. If you add about 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda to it, the PH is raised to about 6.5. Tom - Original Message - From: poast po...@prodigy.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:06 PM Subject: Re: CSKid does an experiment with CS and wins sxience fair award Hello Ode, You may find this interesting to read... http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2006088790IA=US2006005024DISPLAY=DESC Using a 5% sodium chlorite solution and 6% HCl as the activator you can mix up this solution by placing 5 ml (1 teaspoon) of 5% sodium chlorite in a glass and add 5 ml of the 6% HCl to activate it. Activation time is about 30 seconds. Next you add enough water to make 1 liter of total solution and use this for the bath for the nails (finger or toes). This solution is slightly stronger than the one listed in the patent, but it is still below any adverse effects for dermal exposure. The solution I have used ends up with 150 PPM free chlorine dioxide. As mentioned in the patent, chlorine d ioxide is capable of penetrating the nail to destroy the fungus living in it. It can also penetrate through the nail into the nail bed where it takes care of business there as well. To be effective, you need to stick to the 1 hour soak time, and repeat this every day for a week. The fungus is killed rather quickly, but the search and destroy mission takes a little longer. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSolid sodium chlorite mold killer
Hello Kathryn, That is exactly why chlorine dioxide is so superior to chlorine. While they are in the same family, their mode of action is very different. Chlorine acts by coming into contact with the mold. While in contact, it oxidizes it, and at the same time chlorinates it leaving a disinfection by product. It have very little penetration power, so you have to actively apply it to every piece of mold in order for it to have a chance at being effective. Also, you need a much stronger solution than what is currently recommended for use with mold. When you use that strong a concentration, you end up with bleach damage. Chlorine dioxide, on the other hand, remains as a gas, even when it is in solution. As a gas it penetrates structures and kills not only the surface mold, but also the root structure of the mold. It does not chlorinate the spores, it simply oxidizes them. I totally agree that you should first do your best to eliminate the moisture source, and then clean up any mold that is present. However, beyond that chlorine dioxide has the ability to penetrate dry wall, furniture, books, the wood work in closets, grout in the shower, and so on. This penetrating power kills the mold that is left after cleaning. Chlorine dioxide at high concentrations does have a strong odor, but I am surprised at how well people who are odor sensitive tolerate it use when the proper concentrations are used. There is a fine line between an effective concentration and one that is an irritant, however, if you follow the proper instructions the side effects are eliminated. Also, there are ways to incorporate chlorine dioxide without any odor at all. Tom - Original Message - From: Kathryn Clayton To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 8:37 AM Subject: Re: CSSolid sodium chlorite mold killer Of course if one is going to kill mold, the area needs to be aired out. The problem is that whatever is causing the mold smell is an active growth of mold, a colony somewhere. To understand that, one needs an awareness of how fungal colonies grow. To grow shitake mushrooms, for instance, one farm puts a plug of spores into an oak log, and leaves it for a couple of years. By the time it sprouts the fruiting body ( a mushroom), the entire large area inside the log is shot through with the mycelium- that needs a critical mass to be able to reproduce. So to kill the surface mold will not do any good in the long run, esp if a person has a toxin mediated illness. And I am not going to nit pick chlorine dioxide vs bleach, etc- they are all chlorine compounds and should work similarly. For a person who is brain fogged from toxins, I would not suggest using something like that since many also react to strong odors, even if they are usually benign, which any kind of chlorine compound is not. ymmv, Kathryn
Re: CSSolid sodium chlorite mold killer
Hello Kathy, I was just wondering... Have you been able to identify the bacteria, fungus, or virus that causes asthma? Chlorine dioxide is used to kill off bacteria, fungi and viruses. If you can identify the one that you are dealing with, you can get an idea of what it takes to kill if off. Tom - Original Message - From: Kathy Tankersley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 11:00 AM Subject: Re: CSSolid sodium chlorite mold killer I wanted to ask Richard Loyd what he thinks of a person taking MMS internally for asthma? I got Jim Humbles's book and now I'm halfway afraid of taking it. Comment?Thanks...Kathy
Re: CSSolid sodium chlorite mold killer
Hello Renee, This product is highly recommend and works very well. http://www.biocidesystems.com/room-shocker-30-day-time-release--medi30.html You can mix your own, but when you mix the two chemicals together, the reaction kicks in and it ends up being a little stronger than you planned. The 30 day time release keeps the chemicals separated, but still allow the gases to mix. This is a very clever design, and it works very well. Unfortunately, they have to pay for the patient, so it is also more expensive. You can separate the chemicals using a paper towel, but there is a potential fire hazard should the solution get wet, dry out, and sunlight hit it. On the shady side of the house, it probably would be OK, but I am not recommending this until I can complete more testing on it. I have several set up, they seem to be working fine, and I have had no fires so far, but I still can't recommend doing this. I have also taken a used up 30 day time release packet and refilled it with new chemicals. That works fine. With normal humidity (40 - 60%) there is no need to leave the house, but if the humidity gets to 90% or above, there are some fumes. Also, keep in mind that chlorine dioxide is a disinfectant and not a detergent. To eliminate mold you first need to clean it up, then eliminate the cause of the mold, then you can use chlorine dioxide to keep it from forming again. If you don't clean it up, you end up with dead mold spores floating around in the house. It is not known if dead spores are a health problem, but why take a chance. Tom - Original Message - From: Renee To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 8:18 AM Subject: CSSolid sodium chlorite mold killer Someone was asking about killing mold in their home and I remembered the talk about the solid sodium chlorite products that mix with moisture in the air and make chlorine dioxide which penetrates walls, closets, etc and kills mold. I've looked through my saved messages and can't find it. Must have a different subject line that I can come up with. There was also mention of a web site that sells the same type product to rid boats of mold. I've googled boats and mold but have only come up with sites that teach about making your own TSP/bleach solutions to paint on. The lady that is asking about this is too ill to mix this up and paint or spray it on. So I thought perhaps she could use some of the solid products, leave the house for a few days, and get someone to go open the house and air it out. Anyone remember which sites those products were on? Good--bad idea? samala, Renee www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt Chronic pain does NOT belong in your body. The Am Wand helps you get rid of it quickly and easily. Get the wand here
Re: CSFun with improved soap
Hello Dan, Let's see now... about 2 months and then it is gone... :) OK, back from kidding you, it should last a long time. The only caution would be to keep it out of direct UV light and to keep the temperature of it below somewhere around 120 F. I suppose it would also be good to keep the minimum temperature above 30 F. I generally make is as I use it, but I was able to find a bottle that I mixed up about 6 months ago. It lathered up just like new stuff. I haven't done any testing beyond that. Tom - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 6:48 AM Subject: Re: CSFun with improved soap How long will this keep? Dan On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:19 PM, poast po...@prodigy.net wrote: One of my favorite soaps is Dr. Bonners Pure Castile Soap. Now while it is very good, there is always room for improvement... :) Here is my version of an anti bacterial version of this soap. Place 8 ml of 5% sodium chlorite in a glass and add 25 ml of roughly 10 PPM EIS. Swirl to mix and add this to a 250 ml bottle. Next, add Dr. Bonners soap to fill it up to a total of 250 ml swirling to mix as you add the soap. This ends up with a soap that has about 1 PPM EIS, and 1000 PPM available chlorine dioxide. The acids on your skin activate the sodium chlorite during washing, so be sure to lather for awhile before rinsing. I am amazed at how nice a lather works up from this solution. It is silky smooth. The 1 PPM EIS may linger under the finger nails, it's hard to rinse all of the soap out from there, and may offer some timed release protection. I have used this while camping as a whole body wash and also to wash out dishes. The only downside that I can come up with is that it is not as thick as the original formula. I don't find this much of a problem, but others may prefer something thicker. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFun with improved soap
One of my favorite soaps is Dr. Bonners Pure Castile Soap. Now while it is very good, there is always room for improvement... :) Here is my version of an anti bacterial version of this soap. Place 8 ml of 5% sodium chlorite in a glass and add 25 ml of roughly 10 PPM EIS. Swirl to mix and add this to a 250 ml bottle. Next, add Dr. Bonners soap to fill it up to a total of 250 ml swirling to mix as you add the soap. This ends up with a soap that has about 1 PPM EIS, and 1000 PPM available chlorine dioxide. The acids on your skin activate the sodium chlorite during washing, so be sure to lather for awhile before rinsing. I am amazed at how nice a lather works up from this solution. It is silky smooth. The 1 PPM EIS may linger under the finger nails, it's hard to rinse all of the soap out from there, and may offer some timed release protection. I have used this while camping as a whole body wash and also to wash out dishes. The only downside that I can come up with is that it is not as thick as the original formula. I don't find this much of a problem, but others may prefer something thicker. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSEIS and mold
I happen to have two waxed milk cartons that we used up the milk in. We usually rinse the carton out to avoid the odor that comes from milk aging. This time, instead of rinsing I simply put a splash of EIS into each carton. The cartons were left on the counter and they did recieve afternoon sun, when it was not raining. A week later, there is no odor, and no mold growing inside the cartons. While I suppose this is old hat to most of you, I find it truely remarkable. At any rate, I just thought I would share. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma
Hello Kathy, Chlorine dioxide is a respiratory irritant. People who are exposed to it developed asthma like symptoms. I am not sure if it behaves the same from the inside out, but I would advise extreme caution should you actually decide to take this route. Tom - Original Message - From: Kathy Tankersley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: CSasthma I want thank all you wonderful caring people for answering my plea for help with asthma, each hint/tip I am researching. I'm really leaning toward MMS as a start, does anyone have a comment on this?Thanks you so much for your help, ...Kathy
Re: CSFall out and Sediment
Hello Neville, Thanks. Do you target a specific uS reading while brewing, or simply note what you end up with? I seem to get repeatable uS readings right after the batch is finished, but there seems to be some variation in how the batch settles out. The one variable I haven't tracked is temperature. After all, it's all at room temperature and the room doesn't vary that muck... does it. :) OK, I will add another column to the spreadsheet. Tom - Original Message - From: Neville Munn To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: RE: CSFall out and Sediment From a home producer using my own units. I time my process throughout and stop the process at regular pre-determined timed intervals to remove electrodes from solution to wipe clean, then resubmerge them. I repeat this process til I get the uS or ppm reading I desire. I have no problems and nil fallout or gravel on the bottom of my storage vessels after days/weeks or months in storage. I check and record uS and ppm readings, TE, colour of solution, observation of any mud etc every day til the solution reaches a point of stabilization, then I check periodically ever after to make sure gravity hasn't pulled any silver out of solution. My experience shows readings can fluctuate *minimally* even after stabilization point has been reached, water temperature on the day being one reason for this. N.
Re: CSSodium Chlorite and Nail Fungus
Hello Marshall, The theory is that the chlorous acid is formed during the activation process. Depending on the PH, some free chlorine dioxide is released into the solution. There is a rough stability at this point, but as the free chlorine dioxide is used up the chlorous acid breaks down releasing more chlorine dioxide in an effort to balance things again. In actual use things aren't quite that simple. In use the PH can fluctuate which will speed up or slow down the breakdown process of the chlorous acid. In addition there can be a large organic load that soaks up all the free chlorine dioxide as fast as it is produced. Also, the oxidizing solution can become polluted with other fluids changing the reaction properties again. I am not convinced that there is anyone in industry that really understands what is going on with this, but they have demonstrated that it is very effective. I believe the emphasis has shifted a little from chlorine dioxide to the properties of chlorous acid. An easy way to demonstrate the properties of the chlorous acid/chlorine dioxide equilibrium is to mix up a chlorous acid solution and disrupt the balance. You can do this by putting 3 ml of 5% sodium chlorite into a glass and activating it with 3 ml of 10% citric acid. Let the activation continue for 10 minutes, then add 200 ml of water. Note the color and odor of the solution. Next, add 50 mg of ascorbic acid to the solution. What has happened to the color and odor of the solution? Next, set the container aside and come back to it in about 60 minutes. What has happened to the color and odor of the solution this time? I believe HACH has reagent kits available for chlorine dioxide testing, but they may be limited to lower concentrations. Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 7:56 AM Subject: Re: CSSodium Chlorite and Nail Fungus Cool. I am going to read through that stuff and try to learn some more. From my limited knowledge I was under the impression that when you mix an acid with sodium chlorite the reaction is pretty well instantaneous, regardless of which acid is used. However it makes chlorous acid, not chlorine dioxide. The the chlorous acid converts to chlorine dioxide, the rate of conversion being something close to being proportional to the concentration squared. Now, thinking about it, it seems that adding the two teaspoons to 8 ounces of water first is not correct, they should be added together first with no dilution to get as much conversion as possible. That could be part of the problem. Another thought comes to mind as well. Since the rate of conversion goes up dramatically with concentration of chlorous acid it is possible that the rate is dependent on the level of chlorine ions and not chlorous acid specifically. In that case the use of hydrochloric acid adds additional chlorine ions and that might increase the conversion as well. So maybe if one were to use citric acid, but add some additional sodium chloride, the conversion might go up as well. This is all supposition and will require experimental testing to confirm or deny. I hope I can test for chlorine dioxide levels after reading the materials, of so, then I should be able to give information that is conjecture but rather experimentally confirmed. I do have a HACH scanning photospectrometer, so maybe I can use it to get some very good information, if I can figure out how to calibrate it for chlorine dioxide. Maybe I can use the test strips for calibration, they may not be as accurate as desired, but once I have a calibration point, it will all be relative. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSStopping part way through
I have noticed that near the end of brewing a batch there are some deposites that form on the electrodes. Some say that indicates that the batch is done and you should stop brewing. Others say that you can stop the process, clean off the electrodes, and then continue on until the machine shuts off. Is there any issues involved with starting and stopping a batch? Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFall out and Sediment
I am using an SG6 to make my EIS. I have the dial turned almost all the way to maximum, but just under full stop. When I am fininshed with a batch, I let it sit for a day, then measure the conductivity of the solution. It is comming in at about 14 uS. I use white HDPE bottles for storage and opened one up and noticed that after a month there was a little silver on the bottom of the bottle. Another bottle done at the same time has no fall out. The weird thing is that the conductivity is now showing about 15 uS. I thought the conductivity was supposed to drop a little during storage? And, yes the meter is in calibration. Along the same line, if I let the SG6 shut off and clean off the electrodes and let the solution sit for half a day, I find that it wants to generate more when I turn it back on. After doing this a couple of times I end up with some sediment at the bottom of the jar. My current practice is to decant the EIS out of the jar leaving the sediment behind. I then wash the sediment out of the jar and get it ready for the next batch. Is there any problems with this, or is it OK just to leave the sediment in the jar and let it age like that? Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSodium Chlorite and Nail Fungus
Hello Marshall, They are actual measurements. Here is a link to a label for a sodium chlorite/chlorine dioxide product. You should begin to get a feel for the difference between available and free chlorine dioxide in solutions. http://www.sanivex.com/pdf/EPA_Label.pdf There are a lot of variables involved with mixing, so we usually use theory to get into the ballpark, and then adjust according to actual measurements. I have found the Brix scale in a refractometer is an accurate way to determine the concentrations of citric acid and sodium chlorite solutions. A calibrated PH meter is used to monitor the activation process, and from that information tables can be produced to estimate the amount of free chlorine dioxide released during the activation. Unfortunately these tables are proprietarily so they are very difficult to find. Free chlorine dioxide is best determined with a colorimeter, but they do make test strips that give a very good approximation of what you have. I believe LaMotte makes them in the 0 - 10 PPM and 0 - 500 PPM ranges. Please note that these are different than chlorine test strips. Just to touch on the general rules... Sodium chlorite powder is only 80% pure. This means that you have to mix a 6.25% by weight solution to end up with a 5% sodium chlorite solution. Sodium chlorite solutions activated with acids only yield about 60% of the available chlorine dioxide. This means that a 5% sodium chlorite solution that should have 5 PPM available chlorine dioxide actually only ends up having 3 PPM available for use. In general, activation with 10% citric acid will result in about 10% of the available chlorine dioxide released as free chlorine dioxide. The proper activation ratio when using 10% citric acid is 1:1, and the optimum activation time is 10 minutes. In general, activation with 50% citric acid will result in about 20% of the available chlorine dioxide released as free chlorine dioxide. The proper activation ratio when using 50% citric acid is 1:5. That is 1 part 50% citric acid to 5 parts sodium chlorite. Once again the optimum activation time is 10 minutes. Activation with HCl is a little different. The concentration of HCl needs to be 1.2 times the concentration of the sodium chlorite you are going to activate. This means that if you have 5% sodium chlorite you would use 6% HCl. The activation ratio is 1:1, and the activation time is under 30 seconds. HCl drives the PH of the sodium chlorite low enough to release all of the available chlorine dioxide as free chlorine dioxide. Those are some of the basics. From there you can explore a number of possibilities and design a disinfecting system that fits your needs. Chlorine dioxide can be used to stabilize bacterial growth, or it can be used to kill off the bacteria. In water purification it is used as a biocide whereas in food processing it is used as a biostat. In general, chlorine dioxide technology deals in biocide applications and acidified sodium chlorite technology deals in biostat applications. Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:25 PM Subject: Re: CSSodium Chlorite and Nail Fungus Please advise. Are the numbers you give below actual measurements, or computed theoretical numbers? Where did you get the information that only about 10% will convert under those conditions? Can you refer me to a paper, or url which discusses this? I was unaware of the incomplete conversion with weak acids, and if correct, then you are correct that the use of citric acid would be ineffective. If you actually measured the chlorine dioxide content, can you tell me what instrument or protocol you used? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSodium Chlorite Source
Hello Steve, I get my NaClO2 powder from GFS chemicals. It comes in 2.5 kg bottles, and I go through about 5 kg a year unless I have some special projects going on. I believe the price was around $200 for 5 kg with shipping adding another $30 for the total 5 kg package. http://www.gfschemicals.com/search_prm_p.aspx?whichsearch=EntireSitesearchcontent=sodium%20chlorite Tom - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:05 PM Subject: CSSodium Chlorite Source I just came across a relatively inexpensive source for Sodium Chlorite or MMS if you are looking for larger quantities. They are located in Florida. The minimum shipping cost to CA is $14 but the cost doesn't go up too quickly when you add more items. My last purchase of powdered Sodium Chlorite was from a producer in Canada and the cost was significantly higher. Does anyone know of a lower cost source? I need to get some more. BTW, their bentonite clay is inexpensive too but I don't know what the quality is like. http://sodium-chlorite-supplier.com/order.html?gclid=CLjju42i0qACFQhYbQo dXBIu0Q - Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSodium Chlorite and Nail Fungus
Hello Marshall, Your method will be ineffective because it is not strong enough. I believe I followed your instructions properly, but please double check my efforts. I mixed 1.75 teaspoons of sodium chlorite powder in 8 ounces of water. I then mixed 2.5 teaspoons of citric acid powder in 8 ounces of water. I then placed 1 teaspoon of each in a glass, let it activate, then added enough water to make 1 liter. When I measure the sodium chlorite solution I find that it is a 2% solution. When I measure the citric acid solution I find that it is a 5% solution. When I mix a teaspoon of each together, let them activate, and add to make a liter of foot bath solution, I end up with about 6 PPM free chlorine dioxide. 100 - 150 PPM free chlorine dioxide is needed to penetrate the nail and nail bed, so 6 PPM is going to fall short of the goal. Sodium chlorite releases chlorine dioxide when its PH is lowered. The reason HCl is used in this case is because we want to release all of the available chlorine dioxide as free chlorine dioxide. I believe all of the HCl is used up in the reaction, so we don't really have to worry about HCl in the final solution. HCl is capable of reducing the PH of the sodium chlorite to a point where all of the available chlorine dioxide is released as free chlorine dioxide. In this case, the free chlorine dioxide is needed in order to kill off the fungus infection. We don't need a residual, we need penetrating power during the bath. The bath is repeated several times to make sure the fungus is eliminated. Citric acid is used when you are interested in making chlorous acid and only releasing a small portion of the available chlorine dioxide as free chlorine dioxide. When you add 5 ml of 5% citric acid to 2% sodium chlorite, the PH is driven down to about 2.8 releasing about 10% of the available chlorine dioxide as free chlorine dioxide. This is pretty much what happened. Now, if citric acid is all that you have, you can still achieve 100 PPM free chlorine dioxide. In order to do this you would need about 83 ml, or about 17 teaspoons, of each. 17 teaspoons would be 85 ml and that would give you a concentration of 1020 PPM available chlorine dioxide and 102 PPM of that would be free chlorine dioxide. This would put you in the range that would work with nail fungus. Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: Re: CSSodium Chlorite and Nail Fungus HCl is rather corrosive. I would suggest using citric acid for the activation (just like adding MMS to lemon juice) instead. This is what I figure: molecular weight of sodium chlorite = 90.44 molecular weight of chlorine dioxide = 67.45 molecular weight of citric acid = 192.14 So if we have a liter of water, we need to make 100 ppm which requires 100 mg of chlorine dioxide. This will require 100*90.44/67.75 mg of sodium chlorite and 100*192.75/67.25 mg of citric acid. Thus we need 133.5 mg of sodium chlorite and 286.6 mg of citric acid per liter of water. However most sodium chlorite is only 80% NaClO2, so we have to use 25% more, or 166.875 mg of commercially available stuff. Now measuring the effective density of both, I find that one level teaspoon of sodium chlorite weights 4.4 g and one level teaspoon of citric acid (NOW brand) weights 5.5 g. Thus using volume measurements I find that we need .038 teaspoon of sodium chlorite and .052 teaspoon of citric acid. Now if we multiply both of these by 48 (48 teaspoons) we get 1.824 and 2.495 teaspoons per cup of water. This can be approximated by using 1 + 1/2 + 1/4 teaspoon for the sodium chlorite, and 2 1/2 teaspoons of the citric acid in a cup of water each. If you bottle each of these, then use 1 teaspoon of each in a liter of water for the bath, that should come pretty close to what is needed for the 100 ppm of chlorine dioxide. As for proper activation, I would do what is said below, use 1 teaspoon each in a glass of water, wait 30 seconds for activation, then add water to make one liter for the final bath. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSKid does an experiment with CS and wins sxience fair award
Hello Ode, You may find this interesting to read... http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2006088790IA=US2006005024DISPLAY=DESC Using a 5% sodium chlorite solution and 6% HCl as the activator you can mix up this solution by placing 5 ml (1 teaspoon) of 5% sodium chlorite in a glass and add 5 ml of the 6% HCl to activate it. Activation time is about 30 seconds. Next you add enough water to make 1 liter of total solution and use this for the bath for the nails (finger or toes). This solution is slightly stronger than the one listed in the patent, but it is still below any adverse effects for dermal exposure. The solution I have used ends up with 150 PPM free chlorine dioxide. As mentioned in the patent, chlorine d ioxide is capable of penetrating the nail to destroy the fungus living in it. It can also penetrate through the nail into the nail bed where it takes care of business there as well. To be effective, you need to stick to the 1 hour soak time, and repeat this every day for a week. The fungus is killed rather quickly, but the search and destroy mission takes a little longer. Tom - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:59 AM Subject: Re: CSKid does an experiment with CS and wins sxience fair award It's both. The easy one to treat is the nail bed as it has a blood interface that can be drugged But the fungus also makes literal tunnels in the nail itself..that's why they thicken and change color. It's really hard to get anything into a nail though, apparently, enough silver can be deposited to slow down the fungus enough so the nail can out grow it. [ if your nails grow fast enough ] At first I had huge success with it and got very close to where I could clip off the infection, but looks like I selected out a strain that has some resistance and/or grows faster, or my toe nails slowed down. It's not nearly as bad as it was, but it's still there. Ode At 05:53 AM 3/23/2010 -0700, you wrote: Ode -- I thought nail fungus was an infection beneath the nail, in the nail bed -- not in the nail itself. ??? MA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: drinking quart of water, and argryia cure, was Re: CSkidney stones Herbal Tea Cure
Hello Carol, Straight and placed right on the tongue. Tom - Original Message - From: carolG To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 6:59 PM Subject: Re: drinking quart of water, and argryia cure, was Re: CSkidney stones Herbal Tea Cure Tom, bitters in water or straight? Thanks. It's like a tincture right? Gallstones/kidney stones: lots of alternative stuff to look into and curezone.com has lots of help or google: natural alternatives for gallstones, natural alternatives for kidney stones. Oh, what about dietary changes? See http://www.hacres.com, see testimonies that are great to read..think they still have link there or check their archives...tons of health tips; free too. HTH carol From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 6:01:50 PM Subject: Re: drinking quart of water, and argryia cure, was Re: CSkidney stones Herbal Tea Cure Would you give an example of what you consider bitters? Thanks. PT
Re: CSKid does an experiment with CS and wins sxience fair award
Hello Ode, I wonder if the results would have been different if he used a solution with more ionic silver in it. Tom - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:41 AM Subject: Re: CSKid does an experiment with CS and wins sxience fair award His main error was using Agar which only shows why CS doesn't kill everything in the gut. The small ring of sterilization around the Copper penny is probably due to the penny corroding some, releasing Copper ions...but they couldn't travel very far in the Agar Silver doesn't corrode as easily, but both Silver and Copper ions will kill germs [and Zinc ] But Zinc and Copper are also micro nutrients where too much is harmful, but not so with Silver. Like with nail fungus [in the nail], silver deposited in the nail can't move around, but may force the fungus to grow around the deposits slowing down that growth enough for the nail to out grow the fungus. Ode At 07:41 PM 3/22/2010 -0500, you wrote: This is a PDF file and a download window will pop up when you click on the link, you need a PDF reader to view the article. :) The experiment and results are very interesting. :) http://www.wateroz.com/resources/rediscovering-silver-article.pdf Annie -- Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: drinking quart of water, and argryia cure, was Re: CSkidney stones Herbal Tea Cure
Hello Tina, I have heard that bitters are an excellent way to rebuild the gallbladder. You have to remember to drink a lot of water, but that seems to be easy to do. Take a half a dropper of bitters 15 - 30 minutes before meals. Tom - Original Message - From: Christina Mattson To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:50 PM Subject: Re: drinking quart of water, and argryia cure, was Re: CSkidney stones Herbal Tea Cure I don't know about the cure but i wanted to let you know that a chiropractor once told me that with my low blood pressure i should not try to drink large amounts of water because it could be harmful, i don't remember why but i too get dizzy and lightheaded among other things if i drink too much water, especially after physical exertion. Something to think about if you have low blood pressure. I am currently on remedy for gallstones, i wonder if anyone knows if the same remedies that work for kidney stones will work for gallstones if so i'd be happy to share it. Take Care and good luck Tina --- On Sun, 3/21/10, Sara Mandal-Joy smjl...@wavewls.com wrote: From: Sara Mandal-Joy smjl...@wavewls.com Subject: Re: drinking quart of water, and argryia cure, was Re: CSkidney stones Herbal Tea Cure To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 9:55 AM I too have trouble glugging water, or any liquids, that quickly - and can get nauseus, and even develop chills from doing so - it throws something out of balance, I consider it being water-drunk. But I got about half the quart down in one sitting, then sipped the rest as I could tolerate it. It worked for me. Sara out of personal curiosity, how fast did you drink the quart of water? - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: drinking quart of water, and argryia cure, was Re: CSkidney stones Herbal Tea Cure
Hello PT, There are grape bitters, Swedish bitters and angostura bitters. The angostura bitters are used in mixed drinks and are available in the mixer section of a store. The others are available at health food stores. The favored is grape bitters, but all will work. Tom - Original Message - From: needling around To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 4:01 PM Subject: Re: drinking quart of water, and argryia cure, was Re: CSkidney stones Herbal Tea Cure Would you give an example of what you consider bitters? Thanks. PT - Original Message - From: poast To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: Re: drinking quart of water, and argryia cure, was Re: CSkidney stones Herbal Tea Cure Hello Tina, I have heard that bitters are an excellent way to rebuild the gallbladder. You have to remember to drink a lot of water, but that seems to be easy to do. Take a half a dropper of bitters 15 - 30 minutes before meals. Tom - Original Message - From: Christina Mattson To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:50 PM Subject: Re: drinking quart of water, and argryia cure, was Re: CSkidney stones Herbal Tea Cure I don't know about the cure but i wanted to let you know that a chiropractor once told me that with my low blood pressure i should not try to drink large amounts of water because it could be harmful, i don't remember why but i too get dizzy and lightheaded among other things if i drink too much water, especially after physical exertion. Something to think about if you have low blood pressure. I am currently on remedy for gallstones, i wonder if anyone knows if the same remedies that work for kidney stones will work for gallstones if so i'd be happy to share it. Take Care and good luck Tina --- On Sun, 3/21/10, Sara Mandal-Joy smjl...@wavewls.com wrote: From: Sara Mandal-Joy smjl...@wavewls.com Subject: Re: drinking quart of water, and argryia cure, was Re: CSkidney stones Herbal Tea Cure To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 9:55 AM I too have trouble glugging water, or any liquids, that quickly - and can get nauseus, and even develop chills from doing so - it throws something out of balance, I consider it being water-drunk. But I got about half the quart down in one sitting, then sipped the rest as I could tolerate it. It worked for me. Sara out of personal curiosity, how fast did you drink the quart of water? - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
Hello Marshall, It has been a couple of days now, and there is some silver that is now covering the bottom of my bottle. I added some baking soda to the solution and brought the PH up to 6.7. The ORP now reads around 20. I believe the earlier reading was around 186, so there seems to be some relationship to PH. While 20 is not quite 0, it is pretty close, and I am still a little acidic with the solution. The amount of silver on the bottom of the bottle looks to be about the same as was observed in the other bottle. Tom - Original Message - From: poast po...@prodigy.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:35 AM Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS Hello Marshall, In theory you are correct. IF all of the silver oxide has been converted to silver metal, the ORP should read 0. However, I have found that ORP measurement can be less than exact under certain conditions. I use it as a general indicator and to monitor change. For example, if you have a pond with some fish in it and the ORP of the pond water drops below around 250 algae will begin to form. However, if you raise the ORP of the water to above around 550, you will kill the fish. You can use the same numbers for the water for cut flowers or for a cut Christmas tree. When the ORP of the water drops below 250, stemic rot will form and a biofilm will form in the container. This will block the plants ability to absorb water and the flower or tree will quickly dry out. If you use water that has an ORP much above 550, you will poison the flowers or tree, and they will quickly dry out. If you use water in the sweet range, you will double the life of the flowers or tree. H2O2 starts out with an ORP of around 450. This level drops as the H2O2 ages. When purifying water with chlorine or chlorine dioxide you want the ORP to be above 650. I seem to remember that there may be a loose relationship between ORP and PH. I may be above 0 because the PH of the solution is below neutral. I'll add some baking soda to the solution to bring the PH to 7 and measure the ORP again. Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:19 AM Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS So, if I am understanding this correctly, the more positive the ORP is, the more oxidative it is. Thus the drop in the ORP would indicate that something that was oxidative (silver oxide) has been reduced (now silver metal). Unless I am misinterpreting, that is what I would expect. However if all the silver was reduced though, the question for me is, what is still there that is oxidizing, that is why is the ORP not 0? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
Hello Marshall, In theory you are correct. IF all of the silver oxide has been converted to silver metal, the ORP should read 0. However, I have found that ORP measurement can be less than exact under certain conditions. I use it as a general indicator and to monitor change. For example, if you have a pond with some fish in it and the ORP of the pond water drops below around 250 algae will begin to form. However, if you raise the ORP of the water to above around 550, you will kill the fish. You can use the same numbers for the water for cut flowers or for a cut Christmas tree. When the ORP of the water drops below 250, stemic rot will form and a biofilm will form in the container. This will block the plants ability to absorb water and the flower or tree will quickly dry out. If you use water that has an ORP much above 550, you will poison the flowers or tree, and they will quickly dry out. If you use water in the sweet range, you will double the life of the flowers or tree. H2O2 starts out with an ORP of around 450. This level drops as the H2O2 ages. When purifying water with chlorine or chlorine dioxide you want the ORP to be above 650. I seem to remember that there may be a loose relationship between ORP and PH. I may be above 0 because the PH of the solution is below neutral. I'll add some baking soda to the solution to bring the PH to 7 and measure the ORP again. Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:19 AM Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS So, if I am understanding this correctly, the more positive the ORP is, the more oxidative it is. Thus the drop in the ORP would indicate that something that was oxidative (silver oxide) has been reduced (now silver metal). Unless I am misinterpreting, that is what I would expect. However if all the silver was reduced though, the question for me is, what is still there that is oxidizing, that is why is the ORP not 0? Marshall poast wrote: Hello Marshall, Oxygen reduction potential (ORP) is measured using equipment similar to that used to measure PH. The probe is constructed differently from the PH probe, but the measurement process is similar. Here is an introductory article on ORP. http://www.rhtubs.com/ORP.htm My interest in ORP comes from exploring the concept of using EIS to disinfect raw water for drinking, and to explore its use to disinfect waste water for emergency sanitation in the event of a natural (or unnatural) disaster. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
Hello Marshall, Some additional information... My EIS ends up with a PH of 6.5. The solution that I added the ascorbic acid to ended up with a PH of 3.5. I know that some reactions are sensitive to PH, so an idea would be to pick a PH target and add only as much ascorbic acid as is needed to reduce the PH of the solution to the target value. I used a pinch of ascorbic acid in 250 ml of EIS. I have measuring spoons that measure a drop, smidgen, pinch, dash, and tad. In liquid measurement a pinch is 0.3125 ml. I just measured a pinch of ascorbic acid and it came in at 0.31 grams. Too much? Too little? Normal reaction? Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS That is some good information. I was wondering if the addition of ascorbic acid would cause 1 and 2 atom colloid, or if it would precipitate out on the particles that are already there, that indicates that at least some of them precipitate out on other particles making the rather large. The other possibility would be that the remaining ascorbic acid made the solution acid enough to make the colloid unstable. I need to test and see if I neutralize the free acid if the same thing happens. Marshall poast wrote: Hello Marshall, 3 days ago I put a pinch of ascorbic acid in some EIS and have stored this solution in a white 250 ml HDPE bottle. I took the lid off this morning and noticed that some of the silver had precipitated out. I shook the bottle and it went back into solution. There wasn't a large quantity, but against the white bottom it was evident that there was some. I am using the SG6. My EIS comes out at around 15 uS, then settles down to about 11.5 uS in a few days. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
Hello Marshall, Another interesting observation... The oxidation reduction potential of my EIS is around 0.550 mV. The solution that I added the ascorbic acid to comes in at around 0.186 mV. I don't know if this is significant, but it is interesting. I just mixed up another 250 ml bottle of EIS using 0.27 grams of ascorbic acid this time. The PH of this solution is 3.7. It will take a couple of days to see if anything settles out. Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:55 AM Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS poast wrote: Hello Marshall, Some additional information... My EIS ends up with a PH of 6.5. The solution that I added the ascorbic acid to ended up with a PH of 3.5. I know that some reactions are sensitive to PH, so an idea would be to pick a PH target and add only as much ascorbic acid as is needed to reduce the PH of the solution to the target value. Actually the target value for the best stability for colloidal silver is 7.0. I used a pinch of ascorbic acid in 250 ml of EIS. I have measuring spoons that measure a drop, smidgen, pinch, dash, and tad. In liquid measurement a pinch is 0.3125 ml. I just measured a pinch of ascorbic acid and it came in at 0.31 grams. Too much? Too little? Normal reaction? Well, let's see. If you have 8 oz of 10 ppm CS, and 90% of that is ionic, you would need the same molar quantity to react with it of ascorbic acid b(I think this is a valid assumption). That would be 8*10*.9/(108 (108 is the molecular weight of silver) mol. Since citric acid has a molecular weight of 192, that would require that amount to be multiplied by 192 which gives .0128 ounce of ascorbic acid, which equals 0.36288 grams. That yours ended up with that low of a pH requires some rethinking. We have approximately the same proportion of both Ag2O2 and AgOH. If it only takes one molecule of ascorbic acid to break apart Ag2O2, then that would mean you only need half as much for that part, or in general only 75% of what I figured above. this works out to .272 grams. Now if you actually used less ascorbic acid, the pH may still be low due to the following possibilities: 1. Any absorbed CO2 is released and becomes carbonic acid. 2. Ascorbic acid may act as a catalyst instead of getting involved in the reaction. Good research, we need to keep trying things. Marshall Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
Hello Steve, Original color was clear, upon adding the ascorbic acid the solution turned cloudy but the color was still clear, after a few days most of the cloudiness cleared up and it is still clear in color. The tyndall effect is much stronger after adding the ascorbic acid. Tom - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:58 AM Subject: RE: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS Tom, What was the color of your solution before and after adding ascorbic acid? Did the color change after the precipitated occurred? Thanks, Steve N - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
Hello Marshall, Oxygen reduction potential (ORP) is measured using equipment similar to that used to measure PH. The probe is constructed differently from the PH probe, but the measurement process is similar. Here is an introductory article on ORP. http://www.rhtubs.com/ORP.htm My interest in ORP comes from exploring the concept of using EIS to disinfect raw water for drinking, and to explore its use to disinfect waste water for emergency sanitation in the event of a natural (or unnatural) disaster. Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:58 PM Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS poast wrote: Hello Marshall, Another interesting observation... The oxidation reduction potential of my EIS is around 0.550 mV. The solution that I added the ascorbic acid to comes in at around 0.186 mV. I don't know if this is significant, but it is interesting. Can you elaborate on this? How do you do the measurement? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
Hello Marshall, 3 days ago I put a pinch of ascorbic acid in some EIS and have stored this solution in a white 250 ml HDPE bottle. I took the lid off this morning and noticed that some of the silver had precipitated out. I shook the bottle and it went back into solution. There wasn't a large quantity, but against the white bottom it was evident that there was some. I am using the SG6. My EIS comes out at around 15 uS, then settles down to about 11.5 uS in a few days. Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:09 AM Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS I believe the effect would be the same, except there might be a difference in the particle sizes generated. I have no experimental evidence at this time though to support this hypothesis. Marshall Dan Nave wrote: Marshall, this is quite interesting. Is the effect of adding the ascorbic acid after the EIS is made the same as the effect of adding the ascorbic acid to the brewing water, and then brewing up a batch? It would be an interesting experiment. Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVitamin D
Hello Pat, I just completed a round to raise my D levels, and had the test done yesterday. I will find out tonight how well I am doing. I started at 17, after a month on 2000 IU a day the level rose to 25. At this point my doctor put me on a prescription of 5 IU for 12 weeks while I continued the 2000 IU a day. I hope I am closer to 50 now. Tom - Original Message - From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:50 PM Subject: CSVitamin D I was disappointed today to find out that my 25-hydroxy vitamin D test showed my vitamin D level to be only 25. I was so sure it would be high that I almost didn't request one. Since last fall I've been taking at least 1,000 units D3 plus the D3 in my multivitamin and calcium pills. When the day is warm enough, I go out with a jacket and shorts to get some sun. It's been a very cold winter for here, though. I'd gotten my level up two years ago from 14 in February to a near ideal 55 in the summer by taking 2,000 units D3 and then lying in the sun 20 minutes two or three times a week as soon as weather allowed. Have any of you had the vitamin D blood test? I've heard that in the north in the winter, even if you lie outside naked at noon, you can't get any vitamin D because of the angle of the sun. (Plus you'd be a popsicle!) Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVitamin D
Hello Pat, I believe there are kits available and the test runs about $75. You draw your own blood and send it in. Tom - Original Message - From: Pat Lawrie To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 6:33 AM Subject: Re: CSVitamin D What is the cost of the Vit D test in the US? I live in Mexico and was going to get the test till they told me it would cost like $260 dollars, so didn't get it. Pat -- From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com To: silver silver-list@eskimo.com list Sent: Thu, March 11, 2010 9:50:29 PM Subject: CS Vitamin D I was disappointed today to find out that my 25-hydroxy vitamin D test showed my vitamin D level to be only 25. I was sure it would be so high that I almost did not request one. Since last fall I've been taking at D3 least 1.000 units plus the D3 in my multivitamin and calcium pills. When the day is warm enough, I go out with a jacket and shorts to get some sun. It's been a very cold winter for here, though. I'd gotten my level up two years ago from 14 in February to a near perfect 55 in the summer by taking 2.000 units D3 and then lying in the sun 20 minutes two or three times a week as soon as weather allowed. Have any of you had the vitamin D blood test?'ve Heard that in the north in the winter, even if you lie naked outside at noon, you can not get any vitamin D Because of the angle of the sun. (Plus you'd be a popsicle!) Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.comsubject = unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list @ eskimo.com / maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVitamin D
Hello Marshall, Doctors have a bias against supplements. They point out that there is no regulation for purity or quantity of therapeutic agent with them. In addition, he had just become aware of the vitamin D issues this last summer and is still sorting through all of the information. At the time he thought that my levels were slow in rising which brought into question the quality of the supplement I was taking. I also think he was being a little impatient and wanted to see my go levels up---RIGHT NOW. He became aware of vitamin D when his nurse recently stubbed her toe against a file cabinet, cracked her toe, and it wouldn't heal. When he tested her for vitamin D, she was at 7. He was very aggressive in quickly getting her levels up and she healed quickly once her levels were in a therapeutic range. This prompted him to check everyone that was involved in his practice, and he found that about 90% of there were low. When I asked him why this wasn't checked last year, or the year before, he very sheepishly said that he didn't realize how much of an issue this was. He is very aggressive in keeping me healthy, as well as looking after everyone else that he is taking care of. I think the main reason was that my levels were not increasing at a rate that he was expecting, so he decided to kick them up a little with the prescription. Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:14 AM Subject: Re: CSVitamin D Why a prescription? To be able to put it on insurance? We have bottles of 5,000 IE at the drug and grocery store pretty cheaply. Marshall poast wrote: Hello Pat, I just completed a round to raise my D levels, and had the test done yesterday. I will find out tonight how well I am doing. I started at 17, after a month on 2000 IU a day the level rose to 25. At this point my doctor put me on a prescription of 5 IU for 12 weeks while I continued the 2000 IU a day. I hope I am closer to 50 now. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVitamin D
Hello Shannah, I did not experience any die off of any kind during the weekly 5 IU along with my daily 2000 IU. I just heard back from the lab and I am now up to 35 ng/dl. Still below my target of 50, but no longer technically low. Tom - Original Message - From: brf To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:03 AM Subject: Re: CSVitamin D Hi Tom, I'll be interested in hearing how much it has risen. I'm just curious at the 50,000 IU weekly did you have any die-off or other symptoms? shannah From: poast po...@prodigy.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 10:33:57 AM Subject: Re: CSVitamin D Hello Pat, I just completed a round to raise my D levels, and had the test done yesterday. I will find out tonight how well I am doing. I started at 17, after a month on 2000 IU a day the level rose to 25. At this point my doctor put me on a prescription of 5 IU for 12 weeks while I continued the 2000 IU a day. I hope I am closer to 50 now. Tom
Re: CSSilver Oxide Formation
Hello Ode, If I am understanding you correctly, that would indicate that all of the silver partials in EIS are oxidized... I was really looking forward to putting the EIS into the force field generator and letting the dialithium crystals take a shot at oxidizing them. Oh well, it's best to keep things simple, just brew and use. Tom - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:40 AM Subject: Re: CSSilver Oxide Formation It's electrolysis of the water. Hydrogen and Oxygen. ode At 01:32 PM 3/10/2010 -0800, you wrote: Hello Steve, It may also be important to figure out what oxidizes silver to form these oxides. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
Hello Marshall, When I add ascorbic acid to distilled water my PWT meter goes off of the charts. Does the ascorbic acid add ions to the water, or what am I measuring? Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS Here is a link with a picture I just made. It's not very good, I had to have the room pretty dark with no flash to even see a hint of the Tyndall in the EIS glass. From left to right, 15 ppm EIS with a pinch of ascorbic acid added, pure15 ppm EIS, distilled water with a pinch of ascorbic acid added. Note that the colors are not true. The laser beam is actually red, but appears yellow because it is so overexposed. Then the reflection of the beam off other particles gives the entire left hand glass a red color, which is really only red because the laser light is red. The actual color is more of a yellow if white light comes in from the side, but somewhat murky due to the large number of particles. Viewing on a white background and illuminated from the rear it is more bluish. http://silver-lightning.com/ascorbic-cs.jpg Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver Oxide Formation
Hello Steve, It may also be important to figure out what oxidizes silver to form these oxides. Tom - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: CSSilver Oxide Formation Several studies I have seen attribute most, if not all, of the antimicrobial activity of silver particles to the formation of silver oxide on the particle in the bloodstream. One example: http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf2004/fpl_2004_dorau001.pdf Note that all these mechanisms relate to solvated silver ions, Ag+. The antibacterial properties of any metal come from its ions, which are generated from the neutral metal (1 5). In the presence of oxygen, metallic silver can be bactericidal because silver (I) oxide is soluble enough to release free silver ions (18). When dealing with metallic silver, though, it is important to note that antimicrobial activity depends on the extent of the active silver surface. Would it not then be desirable to form silver oxide on the particles that do form in EIS? - Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSany help dealing with MRSA, please
Hello Rainie, I would consider a multiple approach, especially if the MRSA is evident on the surface of the skin. Home brewed EIS is generally in the 10 PPM range, or a little higher. You can use this, but it may also be worth it to purchase some Mesosilver or Utopia CS to add some additional partials into the body. I have no idea how much a good dose is, and will leave that to others here. If there are skin sores an acidified sodium chlorite solution can eliminate the infection and penetrate the skin. You will need a solution with about 600 PPM available chlorine dioxide and about 60 PPM of that as free chlorine dioxide. This solution will have an acid PH of about 3, so you will have to add some baking soda to adjust the PH to about 6. The solution wants to be slightly acidic, but there is no reason to irritate the skin with a strong acid. The procedure is to get a cotton ball or square of bandage material that will cover the sore. Soak the bandage in the acidified sodium chlorite solution and tape it in place over the soar. When the solution evaporates out it is time to change the bandage. This time soak it in CS or EIS and reapply. When the silver solution dries out, wet it down again. Do this 3 - 4 times, then change the bandage out and start with the acidified sodium chlorite solution again. The rational behind this is that the chlorous acid/chlorine dioxide solution will rapidly kill off the MRSA, and then the EIS or CS solution will hold off any opportunistic pathogens and promote healing. If there are no sores on the skin, just ignore the last couple of paragraphs... Good luck. Tom - Original Message - From: Rainie Cole To: silver-list@eskimo.com ; Mike Devour (CS) Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: CSany help dealing with MRSA, please My friend's sister has contacted this. Can anyone offer any help on if silver would work and a good starting dosage point. I thought I remembered reading somewhere that silver was good for MRSA. I thank you; my friend thanks you. -- Rainie
Re: CSSilver Meter
Hello Gary,
Until someone comes up with the relationship between conductivity and PPM of
silver, it is all a ballpark best guess.
However, the meter has a lot of other uses beside trying to guess at the
concentration of EIS.
If you purchase distilled water, how do you know it is of high quality?
If you distill your own water, how do you know its quality?
When you rinse out your jar and are ready to brew a batch, how do you know
there is no contamination in the jar?
If you bottle your EIS, how do you know the bottles you use don't add extra
things to your EIS?
How stable are the ions in your EIS over time?
All of these questions can be addressed with a meter. The most important one
is the purity of the water followed by the purity of the jar you are making
your EIS in.
Tom
- Original Message -
From: GARY ABEL
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: CSSilver Meter
Thank you. I will use the information I got from the man who schooled me on
making EIS and just go with the amount of time. Ballpark is good for me.
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From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 7:38:27 PM
Subject: RE: CSSilver Meter
[Any comments on this is appreciated]
-Sure, here's my thoughts on the subject...
[...basiclly has the same component inside as the Hanna PWT.]
-That'd be their way of saying there isn't a meter 'off the shelf' that is
specifically designed to measure EIS {without actually saying it!} cos to my
knowledge...there isn't. Meters used for EIS purposes are...'guesswork using a
measuring instrument'.
I got three meters and none of them are 'accurate?', but they get me in the
ballpark, which is only where I need to be. I know from laboratory analysis
that I got more *total* silver content than all my meters show, but the meters
fool me into determining *roughly* what silver content I have and that's all I
need to know g.
My question would be...How 'accurate' do you wanna be, or *need* to be?
Without laboratory analysis meters are only going to get you *in* the
ballpark, *you'll* have to pick the seat you think is the *best* seat once you
get *in* {using all that information about meters, calculations etc etc
available in the public domain}.
N.
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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 04:40:56 -0800
From: gajo...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSSilver Meter
Hello,
I'm looking for any thoughts on meters to check the ppm. Someone told me you
needed the Hanna PWT that costs about $60. I found a Hanna Primo for half
that. The fellow that told me about the PWT says he checked the Primo and it
wasn't accurate. I contacted the company that sold it to me and they said it
basiclly has the same component inside as the Hanna PWT. I would like to be
able to be fairly certain what ppm I'm making. Any comments on this is
appreciated.
-ThanksGary
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Re: CSScientists find why sunshine vitamin D is crucial
I am on a crusade when it comes to vitamin D. I am asking everyone to check and know what their blood levels of vitamin D are. Once you know where you stand, then you can visit www.vitamindcouncil.org and figure out where you should be. To check the blood levels of vitamin D, you need to have blood drawn and then ask your doctor to run the test for vitamin D. Vitamin D effects so many functions in the body that having an adequate amount directly influences your quality of life. This is an action item! Get off of your duff and have it checked... :) Tom - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:13 AM Subject: Re: CSScientists find why sunshine vitamin D is crucial Brilliant stuff! I have the spray form. dee On 8 Mar 2010, at 22:10, Annie B Smythe wrote: Very Interesting Steve :) Thank you. That might explain why with proper levels of vitamin D cancers don't develop. Another tick on the cancer is an immune system problem side. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Norton, Steve wrote: http://www.discoveryon.info/2010/03/vitamin-d.html The researchers found that immune systems' killer cells, known as T cells, rely on vitamin D to become active and remain dormant and unaware of the possibility of threat from an infection or pathogen if vitamin D is lacking in the blood. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver wire
Hello Ode, Just trying to understand this a little bit more and thinking out loud... I have a SG6 generator that uses flat strips of silver. If I bent the flat strips (just a little) so the edges were slightly further away from each other would that help to minimize the edge effects? Also, could you expand a little on why we are interested in reducing edge effects? Thanks. Tom - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:24 AM Subject: Re: CSSilver wire The ridges on the edge concentrate edge discharge, limiting current density without overloading the Nernst Diffusion layer and the centers and backside do almost nothing. Those ridges will dissolve pretty fast making them somewhat better, however. A bit fiddly to mount. IOW It'll take longer to do it right, but you can do it for a very long time...and even if done wrong, the EIS/CS still works. In a pinch with a glass of rainwater and a half dead car battery? I'd use the heck out of them. Ode At 05:12 AM 3/3/2010 -0800, you wrote: I dunno too much about the prices on silver wire. I've been kind of looking around and thinking of making with the wire as someone told me there is more contact or something. But for now using coins is much cheaper. They last a long time too. The person who first told me about making CS said they'd probably last me forever. Not sure what it takes to wear them down.Does anyone know any drawbacks to using the silver coins? Thanks, Gary -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHow to make gels?
Hello Lisa, Not a gell but... I fortified some Dr Bonners soap. Does that count? I concentrated some EIS from about 10 uS to about 30 uS then added that to the soap. I would think you could do something similar for the gell. I concentrated the solution by heating it and evaporating some of the water off. I don't have a way to measure PPM so I am just giving measurements in conductivity. The idea is that the more ions in the water the more conductive it will be. Tom - Original Message - From: Lisa To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:32 AM Subject: CSHow to make gels? Hi All, With the last post (regarding hemorrhoids) and the use of a gel.the question I have is how to make one? I know that folks are using CS as a gel.and I would love to know how to go about doing so? I've got a variety of different ingredients around that may work but would love to know what folks are using and doing to accomplish theirs? Thanks in advance. Lisa
Re: CSBuffered MMS answer from Tom
Hello Renee, Since MSM has a sulphur component and chlorine dioxide scrubs sulphur from the air and in solutions, I would guess that the MSM us being oxidized by the chlorine dioxide. Unfortunately, I am not set up to test for residual MSM, so I can't fully answer the question. Roy's success may be due to some extra MSM being left over after the chlorine dioxide in the solution is used up. The MMS protocol does not produce an efficient chlorous acid solution due to the excess activation. It appears that some of the chlorine dioxide may be used up by the excess citric acid in the solution. Tom - Original Message - From: Renee To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:07 PM Subject: CSBuffered MMS answer from Tom I passed your info on and this came back, Tom. Samala, Renee
Re: CSBuffered MMS question for Tom
Hello Renee, I would love to join up and chat with the people on the other list. How do I find it? Birds pick the galvanizing off of the wire in their cages and poison themselves. Adding some sodium chlorite to their drinking water chelates the metals out of their system and they no longer suffer damage from chewing on their cages. I advocate putting small amounts of sodium chlorite in pets drinking water. It will keep biofilm from forming, keeps the pets teeth clean, and can have remarkable restorative effects at just slightly higher concentrations. Chlorous acid is actually a well kept industry secret. Everyone, including the EPA and FDA, jump up and down about chlorine dioxide and only pay lip service to chlorous acid in passing. There are some aspects of food processing where efforts are made to minimize the production of chlorine dioxide upon activation. It is considered a waste product. You have to keep in mind that different jobs require different tools. Under certain conditions chlorine dioxide is the best technology to use. Under other conditions acidified sodium chlorite (including chlorous acid) works better. The challenge is knowing which tool to use. Tom - Original Message - From: Renee To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 7:51 AM Subject: Re: CSBuffered MMS question for Tom Great info, as usual, Tom. Thanks. I know there are several on the MMS list that will appreciate your specific measurements on this, and your conclusions.
Re: CSBuffered MMS question for Tom
Hello Renee, I finally got around to picking up some MSM and running some tests. It looks like MSM neutralizes about 92 - 100% of the free chlorine dioxide in the MMS-Lite mixture when you add chlorine dioxide to the solution. It also seems to inhibit the release of chlorine dioxide when you add chlorous acid to the solution. My tests only ran for 4 hours, and there are probably more combinations that could be checked out, but the initial results indicate that MSM and chlorine dioxide don't mix well. I really don't have a good way to test how much MSM is left after the chlorine dioxide is used up. Roy may be getting some results from the MSM, from drinking more fluids, or he may simply believe that this solution will help him and it does. There is also the possibility that unactivated sodium chlorite doesn't bind completely with MSM, and it may break off and be able to have some effect away from the MSM. In 1 liter of water, I added 1000 mg of MSM and I started with 0.88 ml (15 drops) of MMS activated with 0.88 ml of 10% citric acid. I let the activation continue for 10 minutes before adding this mixture to the MSM solution. In 1 liter of water this produces about 120 PPM available chlorine dioxide with about 24 PPM of that as free chlorine dioxide. When this was added to the MSM solution, there was no indication of any free chlorine dioxide initially, or after 4 hours of sitting on the counter. I then mixed up a chlorine dioxide solution of 120 PPM. I put 4 ml of 5% sodium chlorite in a glass and activated it with 4 ml of 6% hydrochloric acid. I then added this to the 1 liter of water that had 1000 mg MSM dissolved in it. When I measured the free chlorine dioxide it was 10 PPM. After waiting 4 hours the concentration of chlorine dioxide remained at about 10 PPM, so that would indicate that all of the anti-oxidant capability of the MSM could have been used up. I repeated each of these tests 4 times and the results were consistent each time. From this limited testing it would appear that MMS Lite is light on MMS... :) Tom
Re: CSMore questions for Tom
Hello Renee, That is a very good question, and I don't know the answer. However, I have always found it odd that a person will choke their head off while smoking their first cigarette, then end up smoking a pack, or several packs, a day without hardly choking at all. It could be something similar to this. Tom - Original Message - From: Renee To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:10 AM Subject: Re: CSMore questions for Tom Thanks again Tom. Since we've been discussing your great information on the MMS list, someone brought up the question of nausea levels. If AMMS is actually a poison that the body reacts to, causing nausea and diarrhea--rather than pathogen die-off as Jim says--why is it that once a certain level is reached, the body quits reacting that way? Meaning (and I have found this to be true for me also) that when I first started AMMS I could take 6 drops without nausea. At 7 drops nausea hit. I backed off, stayed at 6 for a few more days, then went back to 7 and no nausea. Same at each level. The person asking about this has worked up to the full 15 drops twice a day, and no longer has any nausea. Since we have been told this is because the AMMS has killed the pathogens so that there are no more death toxins in our system, and therefore we are no longer nauseated, how do we reconcile this with the fact that it's a poison and that our stomach/bowels were simply reacting to the poison? Is it because our bodies become use to the poison? I do know that MMS is an extreme product, causing the exact opposite reactions in different people. So I don't see a large problem with believing that MMS is both a poison that causes stomach distress, and yet can also NOT cause stomach distress after a while. :-) But there are others who have such faith in MMS and what Jim says, that it's hard for them to believe that their stomach only reacted because it is a poison, but is no longer reacting to it. If once a poison, always a poison. Sodium chlorite--such an interesting chemical! Samala, Renee
Re: CSMore questions for Tom
Hello Renee, While I have no experience with liposomal vitamin C, the answer is very simple. If the PH of the solution ends up acidic, it will activate sodium chlorite. Now, what happens afterward may need to be explored. Remember the basics. To activate sodium chlorite you have to reduce the PH of the sodium chlorite to below around 8. As a matter of fact, some people use vinegar as an activator... :) To bring this a little closer to being on topic, I am wondering what the reaction between EIS and sodium chlorite or acidified sodium chlorite or chlorine dioxide is. Tom - Original Message - From: Renee To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: CSMore questions for Tom Sigh--I think I've opened up a can of worms. :-) Another question. The person that is asking this question was the one who asked about the HCI with sodium chlorite. He told me to thank you for him for all your help. Here's his next question--and if you don't know about the encapsulation process, and don't have time for yet more experimentation to learn about it, we all understand. Your answer will be I don't know--and that's good enough for us. (Oh--and now I'm wondering--since this is SO not about CS, should we take it off list? I know certain other subjects are ok, to an extent, but this seems to be too ongoing?) Now, can you ask him about the possibility of creating a liposomal MMS/VitC combo? He may not have any knowledge of the process used to create liposomal Vit c, so here is a link to the post from Brooks explaining the process: www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3t=7499start=15
