Re: can't load cusrom preference

[Tim Crowson]

Title: Signature

  
  
Thanks, Matt. Makese sense now. Thanks for the extra detail.

-Tim



On 4/20/2012 10:21 PM, Matt Lind wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
  
I
just explained it ;-)
 
1)  Make
a self installing custom property and put it in the
“plugins” folder of any workgroup that can be seen by the
end user.  Set the default values of the parameters to the
values you’d like everybody to have.
 
2)  Create
a command to install the custom property as a custom user
preference.  The command has to do 2 simple things: create
an instance of the custom property at the scene root, then
run InstallCustomPreference() to move that property into the
user’s preferences.  This will automatically generate the
.preset file in the user’s workgroup you’ve been trying to
create manually.
 
3)  If
the user preference ever needs to be modified or updated,
you’ll need a command to uninstall the custom user
preference so it can be replaced with the modified version. 
This is as simple as finding the custom property in the user
preferences and deleting it, then deleting the associated
.preset file in the user’s local workgroup.
 
4)  To
update the custom user preference, modify your
self-installing custom property with the desired changes,
run your uninstall command to remove the custom user
preferences, then run your install command to replace custom
user preference with the new version.  Optionally, this can
be performed in the application startup event if you prefer
to make it automatic.
 
 
That’s
it.
 
 
Matt
 
 
 
 
 

  
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To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: can't load cusrom preference
  

 
I agree and that sounds like a good plan,
  but I'm still unclear on how to get it to install properly. If
  you were creating one from scratch, how would you do this and
  what order would you do it in? I think I've got everything
  where it needs to be (it frankly isn't that complicated). But
  for some reason it insists on not installing.
  
  -Tim
  
  
  
  On 4/20/2012 7:37 PM, Matt Lind wrote: 
I
would advise creating a self installing custom property as
your custom user preference property.
 
I
would then write a self installing command which can manage
the custom user preference property.  The advantage being
you could write something very simple and generic to operate
on any custom user preference if you decide to make more or
perform maintenance on just the one.
 
You
would need to write two commands in support:
 
-  Install:
Creates an instance of the custom user preference property
at the scene root, then calls InstallCustomPreference() to
put it into the user preferences.
 
-  Uninstall:
Deletes the custom user preference from the user’s
preferences, then deletes the .preset file from the hard
drive in the user’s workgroup.
 
That’s
it.
 
Going
your route is the quick n’ dirty way.  While it’ll require
less effort the first time you do it, it’ll also pull the
most hair out of your head when it comes to performing any
kind of maintenance.
 
 
Matt
 
 
 
 
 
 

  
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[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
On Behalf Of Tim Crowson
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:27 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: can't load cusrom preference
  

 
Thanks guys,
  
  In this particular case, I just want to create a preference to
  store the path to an image editor. I was updating my old 'Open
  In PS' script (for nodes in the shader tree)

RE: can't load cusrom preference

[Matt Lind]

I just explained it ;-)


1)  Make a self installing custom property and put it in the "plugins" 
folder of any workgroup that can be seen by the end user.  Set the default 
values of the parameters to the values you'd like everybody to have.


2)  Create a command to install the custom property as a custom user 
preference.  The command has to do 2 simple things: create an instance of the 
custom property at the scene root, then run InstallCustomPreference() to move 
that property into the user's preferences.  This will automatically generate 
the .preset file in the user's workgroup you've been trying to create manually.



3)  If the user preference ever needs to be modified or updated, you'll 
need a command to uninstall the custom user preference so it can be replaced 
with the modified version.  This is as simple as finding the custom property in 
the user preferences and deleting it, then deleting the associated .preset file 
in the user's local workgroup.



4)  To update the custom user preference, modify your self-installing 
custom property with the desired changes, run your uninstall command to remove 
the custom user preferences, then run your install command to replace custom 
user preference with the new version.  Optionally, this can be performed in the 
application startup event if you prefer to make it automatic.



That's it.


Matt





From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:59 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: can't load cusrom preference

I agree and that sounds like a good plan, but I'm still unclear on how to get 
it to install properly. If you were creating one from scratch, how would you do 
this and what order would you do it in? I think I've got everything where it 
needs to be (it frankly isn't that complicated). But for some reason it insists 
on not installing.

-Tim



On 4/20/2012 7:37 PM, Matt Lind wrote:
I would advise creating a self installing custom property as your custom user 
preference property.

I would then write a self installing command which can manage the custom user 
preference property.  The advantage being you could write something very simple 
and generic to operate on any custom user preference if you decide to make more 
or perform maintenance on just the one.

You would need to write two commands in support:


-  Install: Creates an instance of the custom user preference property 
at the scene root, then calls InstallCustomPreference() to put it into the user 
preferences.



-  Uninstall: Deletes the custom user preference from the user's 
preferences, then deletes the .preset file from the hard drive in the user's 
workgroup.

That's it.

Going your route is the quick n' dirty way.  While it'll require less effort 
the first time you do it, it'll also pull the most hair out of your head when 
it comes to performing any kind of maintenance.


Matt






From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:27 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: can't load cusrom preference

Thanks guys,

In this particular case, I just want to create a preference to store the path 
to an image editor. I was updating my old 'Open In PS' script (for nodes in the 
shader tree) and ran into trouble when I tried to move it over to the workgroup 
for the rest of my pals.

One thing puzzles me. I'm supposed to create a self-installing property and 
place it in Data\Preferences but with the extension .Preset. This sounds like I 
just need to rename my extension from .py to .Preset. But is that right? Sorry, 
I'm new to custom prefs this way.

And it's still throwing the warning no matter what order I do things in. 
Cryptic warning too. Wish it gave me a hint as to the reason... Right now it 
might as well be '# WARNING: 3000 - Too much noob detected'

-Tim

On 4/20/2012 6:00 PM, Matt Lind wrote:
In our pipeline we use Custom user Preferences for things that don't change 
much, such as server paths, database schemas, etc..

I wrote a few simple commands which maintain custom user preferences and found 
the best way to manage them is to treat them like self installing Custom 
Properties using a  versioning scheme.

Every custom property I create for our production has a "version" and "type" 
parameter.  When a scene or model is loaded, an event script scans all the 
custom properties and compares the version and type parameters in the custom 
property to the values stored in the custom property's plugin.  If the plugin 
is newer, the custom property is deleted and re-instanced into the scene 
copying the old information across to the new instance.  I extend this same 
process to custom user preferences.  The main diffe

Startup script

[Simon Van de Lagemaat]

We're trying to run a couple of python procedures when Softimage starts up.  
Where should we be placing these functions?  Is there a place where Softimage 
would evaluate python on application load?

Cheers

RE: Startup script

[Matt Lind]

siOnStartup event


Matt



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[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Simon Van de 
Lagemaat
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 6:20 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Startup script

We're trying to run a couple of python procedures when Softimage starts up.  
Where should we be placing these functions?  Is there a place where Softimage 
would evaluate python on application load?

Cheers

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Eric Thivierge]

I'm sure Aloys has some connections to reporting these requests too. Then
again, you could learn to code and write your own damn tools as well! :P


Eric Thivierge
http://www.ethivierge.com


On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Simon Pickard wrote:

> I asked Raf about 4 years ago and he told me to quit moaning if that's
> what you mean? ;)

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Simon Pickard]

I asked Raf about 4 years ago and he told me to quit moaning if that's what
you mean? ;)

On 21 April 2012 11:01, Eric Thivierge  wrote:

> You can always post here and also email support with these things. Better
> to reach out to those branches rather than nothing at all. That said I'm
> sure Simon has some connections and pathways to put in the requests more
> directly as well. :)
>
> 
> Eric Thivierge
> http://www.ethivierge.com
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Eric Turman wrote:
>
>> Wait...is that available outside of the beta cycle?
>
>

Re: can't load cusrom preference

[Tim Crowson]

Title: Signature

  
  
I did. But last I heard, it installed it in the User directory. Is
that still the case? Actually, in my case, since the path is likely
to change from user to user, I guess that's the better way to do it
anyway.

But we also have custom prefs that we all need to share and I'd like
to nail that down as well.

-Tim

On 4/20/2012 8:04 PM, Eric Thivierge wrote:
Have you looked at the InstallCustomPreferences
  command? The 2010 docs says it will take your property and convert
  it to the .preset.
  

Eric Thivierge
http://www.ethivierge.com


On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Tim
  Crowson 
  wrote:
  
 I agree and that
  sounds like a good plan, but I'm still unclear on how to
  get it to install properly. If you were creating one from
  scratch, how would you do this and what order would you do
  it in? I think I've got everything where it needs to be
  (it frankly isn't that complicated). But for some reason
  it insists on not installing.
  
  -Tim
  

  
  
  
  On 4/20/2012 7:37 PM, Matt Lind wrote:
  

  I
  would advise creating a self installing custom
  property as your custom user preference
  property.
   
  I
  would then write a self installing command
  which can manage the custom user preference
  property.  The advantage being you could write
  something very simple and generic to operate
  on any custom user preference if you decide to
  make more or perform maintenance on just the
  one.
   
  You

  would need to write two commands in support:
   
  -  Install:

  Creates an instance of the custom user
  preference property at the scene root, then
  calls InstallCustomPreference() to put it into
  the user preferences.
   
  -  Uninstall:

  Deletes the custom user preference from the
  user’s preferences, then deletes the .preset
  file from the hard drive in the user’s
  workgroup.
   
  That’s

  it.
   
  Going

  your route is the quick n’ dirty way.  While
  it’ll require less effort the first time you
  do it, it’ll also pull the most hair out of
  your head when it comes to performing any kind
  of maintenance.
   
   
  Matt
   
   
   
   
   
   
  

  From:
  softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
  [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
  On Behalf Of Tim Crowson
  Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:27
  PM
  To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
  Subject: Re: can't load cusrom
  preference

  
   
  Thanks guys,

In this particular case, I just want to create a
preference to store the path to an image editor.
I was updating my old 'Open In PS' script (for
nodes in the shader tree) and ran into trouble
when I tried to move it over to the workgroup
for the rest of my pals.

One thing puzzles me. I'm supposed to create a
self-installing property and place it in
Data\Preferences but with the extension .Preset.
This sounds 

Re: can't load cusrom preference

[Eric Thivierge]

Have you looked at the InstallCustomPreferences command? The 2010 docs says
it will take your property and convert it to the .preset.


Eric Thivierge
http://www.ethivierge.com


On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Tim Crowson <
tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com> wrote:

>  I agree and that sounds like a good plan, but I'm still unclear on how to
> get it to install properly. If you were creating one from scratch, how
> would you do this and what order would you do it in? I think I've got
> everything where it needs to be (it frankly isn't that complicated). But
> for some reason it insists on not installing.
>
> -Tim
>
>
>
>
> On 4/20/2012 7:37 PM, Matt Lind wrote:
>
>  I would advise creating a self installing custom property as your custom
> user preference property.
>
> ** **
>
> I would then write a self installing command which can manage the custom
> user preference property.  The advantage being you could write something
> very simple and generic to operate on any custom user preference if you
> decide to make more or perform maintenance on just the one.
>
> ** **
>
> You would need to write two commands in support:
>
> ** **
>
> -  Install: Creates an instance of the custom user preference
> property at the scene root, then calls InstallCustomPreference() to put it
> into the user preferences.
>
> ** **
>
> -  Uninstall: Deletes the custom user preference from the user’s
> preferences, then deletes the .preset file from the hard drive in the
> user’s workgroup.
>
> ** **
>
> That’s it.
>
> ** **
>
> Going your route is the quick n’ dirty way.  While it’ll require less
> effort the first time you do it, it’ll also pull the most hair out of your
> head when it comes to performing any kind of maintenance.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Matt
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Tim Crowson
> *Sent:* Friday, April 20, 2012 5:27 PM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: can't load cusrom preference
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks guys,
>
> In this particular case, I just want to create a preference to store the
> path to an image editor. I was updating my old 'Open In PS' script (for
> nodes in the shader tree) and ran into trouble when I tried to move it over
> to the workgroup for the rest of my pals.
>
> One thing puzzles me. I'm supposed to create a self-installing property
> and place it in Data\Preferences but with the extension *.Preset*. This
> sounds like I just need to rename my extension from *.py* to *.Preset*.
> But is that right? Sorry, I'm new to custom prefs this way.
>
> And it's still throwing the warning no matter what order I do things in.
> Cryptic warning too. Wish it gave me a hint as to the reason... Right now
> it might as well be *'# WARNING: 3000 - Too much noob detected'*
>
> -Tim
>
> On 4/20/2012 6:00 PM, Matt Lind wrote: 
>
> In our pipeline we use Custom user Preferences for things that don’t
> change much, such as server paths, database schemas, etc..
>
>  
>
> I wrote a few simple commands which maintain custom user preferences and
> found the best way to manage them is to treat them like self installing
> Custom Properties using a  versioning scheme.   
>
>  
>
> Every custom property I create for our production has a “version” and
> “type” parameter.  When a scene or model is loaded, an event script scans
> all the custom properties and compares the version and type parameters in
> the custom property to the values stored in the custom property’s plugin.
> If the plugin is newer, the custom property is deleted and re-instanced
> into the scene copying the old information across to the new instance.  I
> extend this same process to custom user preferences.  The main difference
> being that custom user preferences can only use a subset of the available
> parameter value types available for custom properties.
>
>  
>
> My code for managing custom user preferences is in the OnStartUp() event
> and performs the same tasks as described above.  The only difference is
> newly instanced custom properties to be used as custom user preferences
> must be installed at the scene root before calling
> InstallCustomPreference().  When deleting a custom user preference, you
> must first delete the custom property installed in the user preferences,
> then delete the associated .preset file in the user’s workgroup location.
> If you do it in any other order, you’ll get flakey behaviors.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> You may still get the error you report when installing the custom user
> preference for the first time, but it’ll go away in future sessions of the
> application.  However, I have noticed the error is more frequent in 2012
> and 2013.  Appears to be an order-of-operations thing.  Just the other day
> one of our artists 

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Eric Thivierge]

You can always post here and also email support with these things. Better
to reach out to those branches rather than nothing at all. That said I'm
sure Simon has some connections and pathways to put in the requests more
directly as well. :)


Eric Thivierge
http://www.ethivierge.com


On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Eric Turman  wrote:

> Wait...is that available outside of the beta cycle?

Re: can't load cusrom preference

[Tim Crowson]

Title: Signature

  
  
I agree and that sounds like a good plan, but I'm still unclear on
how to get it to install properly. If you were creating one from
scratch, how would you do this and what order would you do it in? I
think I've got everything where it needs to be (it frankly isn't
that complicated). But for some reason it insists on not installing.

-Tim



On 4/20/2012 7:37 PM, Matt Lind wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
  
I
would advise creating a self installing custom property as
your custom user preference property.
 
I
would then write a self installing command which can manage
the custom user preference property.  The advantage being
you could write something very simple and generic to operate
on any custom user preference if you decide to make more or
perform maintenance on just the one.
 
You
would need to write two commands in support:
 
-  Install:
Creates an instance of the custom user preference property
at the scene root, then calls InstallCustomPreference() to
put it into the user preferences.
 
-  Uninstall:
Deletes the custom user preference from the user’s
preferences, then deletes the .preset file from the hard
drive in the user’s workgroup.
 
That’s
it.
 
Going
your route is the quick n’ dirty way.  While it’ll require
less effort the first time you do it, it’ll also pull the
most hair out of your head when it comes to performing any
kind of maintenance.
 
 
Matt
 
 
 
 
 
 

  
From:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On
  Behalf Of Tim Crowson
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:27 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: can't load cusrom preference
  

 
Thanks guys,
  
  In this particular case, I just want to create a preference to
  store the path to an image editor. I was updating my old 'Open
  In PS' script (for nodes in the shader tree) and ran into
  trouble when I tried to move it over to the workgroup for the
  rest of my pals.
  
  One thing puzzles me. I'm supposed to create a self-installing
  property and place it in Data\Preferences but with the
  extension .Preset. This sounds like I just need to
  rename my extension from .py to .Preset. But
  is that right? Sorry, I'm new to custom prefs this way.
  
  And it's still throwing the warning no matter what order I do
  things in. Cryptic warning too. Wish it gave me a hint as to
  the reason... Right now it might as well be '# WARNING:
3000 - Too much noob detected'
  
  -Tim
  
  On 4/20/2012 6:00 PM, Matt Lind wrote: 
In
our pipeline we use Custom user Preferences for things that
don’t change much, such as server paths, database schemas,
etc..
 
I
wrote a few simple commands which maintain custom user
preferences and found the best way to manage them is to
treat them like self installing Custom Properties using a
 versioning scheme.   
 
Every
custom property I create for our production has a “version”
and “type” parameter.  When a scene or model is loaded, an
event script scans all the custom properties and compares
the version and type parameters in the custom property to
the values stored in the custom property’s plugin.  If the
plugin is newer, the custom property is deleted and
re-instanced into the scene copying the old information
across to the new instance.  I extend this same process to
custom user preferences.  The main difference being that
custom user preferences can only use a subset of the
available parameter value types available for custom
properties.
 
My
code for managing custom user preferences is in the
OnStartUp() event and performs the same tasks as described
above.  The only difference is newly instanced custom
properties to be used as custom user preferences must be
installed at the scene root before calling
InstallCustomPreference().  When deleting a custom user
preferenc

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Eric Turman]

Wait...is that available outside of the beta cycle?

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Eric Turman  wrote:

> Sounds like you need log 10 "request new feature"s into the bug-tracking
> database...They won't take 'em all lumped together :)
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Simon Pickard wrote:
>
>> Off the top of my head..
>>
>> 1. Increase raw playback speed to at least match Maya's.
>> 2. Editable motion paths in the viewport.
>> 3. Thread based envelope ops, or some way to use more than one core when
>> playing back animation. Maya has this now I think? Per character threading?
>> 4. Look into background caching of animation for increased playback.
>> 5. Expand Displayinfo so it's acaully useful as an on screen HUD, it's a
>> good basic idea, but extreamly limited in what it can do.
>> 6. Improve the lineline so it matches the functionality of Maya's at
>> least.
>> 7. Add capture via timeline selection (rip it from Maya).
>> 8. Add a ghosting method that doesn't kill the scenes playback, can't
>> this be more GPU based these days?
>> 9. Build in useful dynamic presets for ragdolls, overlap, tails, ears,
>> trunks, etc, that are stable and work.
>> 10. Look into smart evaluation of rigs. If I'm animating a finger tip why
>> is the whole rig re-evaluated?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21 April 2012 09:50, Eric Thivierge  wrote:
>>
>>> What are you looking for Simon? Speak up so someone knows. Squeaky
>>> wheel...  :)
>>>
>>> 
>>> Eric Thivierge
>>> http://www.ethivierge.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Simon Pickard wrote:
>>>
 "Softimage is already best character animation software"

 In your point of view.
 I haven't seen much love for the animation side of things in Softimage
 in years.
 The focus is ICE, not character animation, I'm sad to say.

>>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> -=T=-
>



-- 




-=T=-

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Eric Turman]

Sounds like you need log 10 "request new feature"s into the bug-tracking
database...They won't take 'em all lumped together :)

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Simon Pickard wrote:

> Off the top of my head..
>
> 1. Increase raw playback speed to at least match Maya's.
> 2. Editable motion paths in the viewport.
> 3. Thread based envelope ops, or some way to use more than one core when
> playing back animation. Maya has this now I think? Per character threading?
> 4. Look into background caching of animation for increased playback.
> 5. Expand Displayinfo so it's acaully useful as an on screen HUD, it's a
> good basic idea, but extreamly limited in what it can do.
> 6. Improve the lineline so it matches the functionality of Maya's at least.
> 7. Add capture via timeline selection (rip it from Maya).
> 8. Add a ghosting method that doesn't kill the scenes playback, can't this
> be more GPU based these days?
> 9. Build in useful dynamic presets for ragdolls, overlap, tails, ears,
> trunks, etc, that are stable and work.
> 10. Look into smart evaluation of rigs. If I'm animating a finger tip why
> is the whole rig re-evaluated?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 21 April 2012 09:50, Eric Thivierge  wrote:
>
>> What are you looking for Simon? Speak up so someone knows. Squeaky
>> wheel...  :)
>>
>> 
>> Eric Thivierge
>> http://www.ethivierge.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Simon Pickard wrote:
>>
>>> "Softimage is already best character animation software"
>>>
>>> In your point of view.
>>> I haven't seen much love for the animation side of things in Softimage
>>> in years.
>>> The focus is ICE, not character animation, I'm sad to say.
>>>
>>
>


-- 




-=T=-

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Simon Pickard]

Off the top of my head..

1. Increase raw playback speed to at least match Maya's.
2. Editable motion paths in the viewport.
3. Thread based envelope ops, or some way to use more than one core when
playing back animation. Maya has this now I think? Per character threading?
4. Look into background caching of animation for increased playback.
5. Expand Displayinfo so it's acaully useful as an on screen HUD, it's a
good basic idea, but extreamly limited in what it can do.
6. Improve the lineline so it matches the functionality of Maya's at least.
7. Add capture via timeline selection (rip it from Maya).
8. Add a ghosting method that doesn't kill the scenes playback, can't this
be more GPU based these days?
9. Build in useful dynamic presets for ragdolls, overlap, tails, ears,
trunks, etc, that are stable and work.
10. Look into smart evaluation of rigs. If I'm animating a finger tip why
is the whole rig re-evaluated?





On 21 April 2012 09:50, Eric Thivierge  wrote:

> What are you looking for Simon? Speak up so someone knows. Squeaky
> wheel...  :)
>
> 
> Eric Thivierge
> http://www.ethivierge.com
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Simon Pickard wrote:
>
>> "Softimage is already best character animation software"
>>
>> In your point of view.
>> I haven't seen much love for the animation side of things in Softimage in
>> years.
>> The focus is ICE, not character animation, I'm sad to say.
>>
>

RE: can't load cusrom preference

[Matt Lind]

I would advise creating a self installing custom property as your custom user 
preference property.

I would then write a self installing command which can manage the custom user 
preference property.  The advantage being you could write something very simple 
and generic to operate on any custom user preference if you decide to make more 
or perform maintenance on just the one.

You would need to write two commands in support:


-  Install: Creates an instance of the custom user preference property 
at the scene root, then calls InstallCustomPreference() to put it into the user 
preferences.



-  Uninstall: Deletes the custom user preference from the user's 
preferences, then deletes the .preset file from the hard drive in the user's 
workgroup.

That's it.

Going your route is the quick n' dirty way.  While it'll require less effort 
the first time you do it, it'll also pull the most hair out of your head when 
it comes to performing any kind of maintenance.


Matt






From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:27 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: can't load cusrom preference

Thanks guys,

In this particular case, I just want to create a preference to store the path 
to an image editor. I was updating my old 'Open In PS' script (for nodes in the 
shader tree) and ran into trouble when I tried to move it over to the workgroup 
for the rest of my pals.

One thing puzzles me. I'm supposed to create a self-installing property and 
place it in Data\Preferences but with the extension .Preset. This sounds like I 
just need to rename my extension from .py to .Preset. But is that right? Sorry, 
I'm new to custom prefs this way.

And it's still throwing the warning no matter what order I do things in. 
Cryptic warning too. Wish it gave me a hint as to the reason... Right now it 
might as well be '# WARNING: 3000 - Too much noob detected'

-Tim

On 4/20/2012 6:00 PM, Matt Lind wrote:
In our pipeline we use Custom user Preferences for things that don't change 
much, such as server paths, database schemas, etc..

I wrote a few simple commands which maintain custom user preferences and found 
the best way to manage them is to treat them like self installing Custom 
Properties using a  versioning scheme.

Every custom property I create for our production has a "version" and "type" 
parameter.  When a scene or model is loaded, an event script scans all the 
custom properties and compares the version and type parameters in the custom 
property to the values stored in the custom property's plugin.  If the plugin 
is newer, the custom property is deleted and re-instanced into the scene 
copying the old information across to the new instance.  I extend this same 
process to custom user preferences.  The main difference being that custom user 
preferences can only use a subset of the available parameter value types 
available for custom properties.

My code for managing custom user preferences is in the OnStartUp() event and 
performs the same tasks as described above.  The only difference is newly 
instanced custom properties to be used as custom user preferences must be 
installed at the scene root before calling InstallCustomPreference().  When 
deleting a custom user preference, you must first delete the custom property 
installed in the user preferences, then delete the associated .preset file in 
the user's workgroup location.  If you do it in any other order, you'll get 
flakey behaviors.


You may still get the error you report when installing the custom user 
preference for the first time, but it'll go away in future sessions of the 
application.  However, I have noticed the error is more frequent in 2012 and 
2013.  Appears to be an order-of-operations thing.  Just the other day one of 
our artists activated "Load last scene at startup" preference, and that 
triggered a bunch of errors.  It seems softimage loads the last scene before 
workgroups are parsed/scanned/loaded.



Matt





From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Thivierge
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 3:40 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: can't load cusrom preference

I stay away from the built in preferences myself because they get a bit hairy 
trying to delete them eventually.

What you could do instead is have a text file holding your pref data which is 
stored as a Python dictionary (as a string) and then creating a plugin for the 
user that reads that string evals it back to a dictionary and builds the UI 
dynamically and allows the users to set the proper prefs. You could either 
store the prefs in the workgroup / addon directory or in the users xsi folder. 
I've found this to be cleaner.

- 2 cents

-

Re: can't load cusrom preference

[Tim Crowson]

Title: Signature

  
  
Thanks guys,

In this particular case, I just want to create a preference to store
the path to an image editor. I was updating my old 'Open In PS'
script (for nodes in the shader tree) and ran into trouble when I
tried to move it over to the workgroup for the rest of my pals.

One thing puzzles me. I'm supposed to create a self-installing
property and place it in Data\Preferences but with the extension .Preset.
This sounds like I just need to rename my extension from .py
to .Preset. But is that right? Sorry, I'm new to custom
prefs this way.

And it's still throwing the warning no matter what order I do things
in. Cryptic warning too. Wish it gave me a hint as to the reason...
Right now it might as well be '# WARNING: 3000 - Too much noob
  detected'

-Tim

On 4/20/2012 6:00 PM, Matt Lind wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
In
our pipeline we use Custom user Preferences for things that
don’t change much, such as server paths, database schemas,
etc..
 
I
wrote a few simple commands which maintain custom user
preferences and found the best way to manage them is to
treat them like self installing Custom Properties using a
 versioning scheme.   
 
Every
custom property I create for our production has a “version”
and “type” parameter.  When a scene or model is loaded, an
event script scans all the custom properties and compares
the version and type parameters in the custom property to
the values stored in the custom property’s plugin.  If the
plugin is newer, the custom property is deleted and
re-instanced into the scene copying the old information
across to the new instance.  I extend this same process to
custom user preferences.  The main difference being that
custom user preferences can only use a subset of the
available parameter value types available for custom
properties.
 
My
code for managing custom user preferences is in the
OnStartUp() event and performs the same tasks as described
above.  The only difference is newly instanced custom
properties to be used as custom user preferences must be
installed at the scene root before calling
InstallCustomPreference().  When deleting a custom user
preference, you must first delete the custom property
installed in the user preferences, then delete the
associated .preset file in the user’s workgroup location. 
If you do it in any other order, you’ll get flakey
behaviors.
 
 
You
may still get the error you report when installing the
custom user preference for the first time, but it’ll go away
in future sessions of the application.  However, I have
noticed the error is more frequent in 2012 and 2013. 
Appears to be an order-of-operations thing.  Just the other
day one of our artists activated “Load last scene at
startup” preference, and that triggered a bunch of errors. 
It seems softimage loads the last scene before workgroups
are parsed/scanned/loaded.
 
 
 
Matt
 
 
 
 
 

  From:
  softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
  [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On
Behalf Of Eric Thivierge
  Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 3:40 PM
  To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
  Subject: Re: can't load cusrom preference

 
I stay away from the built in preferences
  myself because they get a bit hairy trying to delete them
  eventually.

   


  What you could do instead is have a text
file holding your pref data which is stored as a Python
dictionary (as a string) and then creating a plugin for the
user that reads that string evals it back to a dictionary
and builds the UI dynamically and allows the users to set
the proper prefs. You could either store the prefs in the
workgroup / addon directory or in the users xsi folder. I've
found this to be cleaner. 


   


  - 2 cents
  

  
  Eric Thivierge
  http://www.ethivierge.com
  
  

  On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Tim
Crowson

Re: Begin Edit for ICE Trees

[David Barosin]

There is Application.DeactivateAbove( operator, mute )

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Peter Agg  wrote:

> Is there any access to the 'Disable From Here' right-click option from
> scripting? Can't see anything obvious in the SDK unfortunately...
>
>
>
> On 21 April 2012 00:20, David Barosin  wrote:
>
>> Good idea. Thanks Ben.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Ben Houston  wrote:
>>
>>> Two ideas:
>>>
>>> - You could disable the owner of the ICE tree to prevent scene
>>> evaluation.
>>> - You could also disconnect the connections from the main execute
>>> node, do the update and then connect them back to the main execute
>>> node.
>>>
>>> -ben
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:09 PM, David Barosin 
>>> wrote:
>>> > I'm scripting a regex renamer for ICE nodes and I was wondering if
>>> there is
>>> > something that will suspend updating the scene until all the edits are
>>> > done.  Something similar the beginEdit and endEdit option for Fcurves.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >  -Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Ben Houston
>>> Voice: 613-762-4113 Skype: ben.exocortex Twitter: @exocortexcom
>>> http://Exocortex.com - Passionate CG Software Professionals.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: Begin Edit for ICE Trees

[Peter Agg]

Is there any access to the 'Disable From Here' right-click option from
scripting? Can't see anything obvious in the SDK unfortunately...



On 21 April 2012 00:20, David Barosin  wrote:

> Good idea. Thanks Ben.
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Ben Houston  wrote:
>
>> Two ideas:
>>
>> - You could disable the owner of the ICE tree to prevent scene evaluation.
>> - You could also disconnect the connections from the main execute
>> node, do the update and then connect them back to the main execute
>> node.
>>
>> -ben
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:09 PM, David Barosin 
>> wrote:
>> > I'm scripting a regex renamer for ICE nodes and I was wondering if
>> there is
>> > something that will suspend updating the scene until all the edits are
>> > done.  Something similar the beginEdit and endEdit option for Fcurves.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >  -Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Ben Houston
>> Voice: 613-762-4113 Skype: ben.exocortex Twitter: @exocortexcom
>> http://Exocortex.com - Passionate CG Software Professionals.
>>
>>
>

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Eric Thivierge]

What are you looking for Simon? Speak up so someone knows. Squeaky
wheel...  :)


Eric Thivierge
http://www.ethivierge.com


On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Simon Pickard wrote:

> "Softimage is already best character animation software"
>
> In your point of view.
> I haven't seen much love for the animation side of things in Softimage in
> years.
> The focus is ICE, not character animation, I'm sad to say.
>

Re: Begin Edit for ICE Trees

[Eric Thivierge]

Another shining example of the need for a simple "Mute" parameter on the
ICE Tree node so no disconnecting is needed.


Eric Thivierge
http://www.ethivierge.com


On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 9:20 AM, David Barosin  wrote:

> Good idea. Thanks Ben.
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Ben Houston  wrote:
>
>> Two ideas:
>>
>> - You could disable the owner of the ICE tree to prevent scene evaluation.
>> - You could also disconnect the connections from the main execute
>> node, do the update and then connect them back to the main execute
>> node.
>>
>> -ben
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:09 PM, David Barosin 
>> wrote:
>> > I'm scripting a regex renamer for ICE nodes and I was wondering if
>> there is
>> > something that will suspend updating the scene until all the edits are
>> > done.  Something similar the beginEdit and endEdit option for Fcurves.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >  -Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Ben Houston
>> Voice: 613-762-4113 Skype: ben.exocortex Twitter: @exocortexcom
>> http://Exocortex.com - Passionate CG Software Professionals.
>>
>>
>

Re: Begin Edit for ICE Trees

[David Barosin]

Good idea. Thanks Ben.

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Ben Houston  wrote:

> Two ideas:
>
> - You could disable the owner of the ICE tree to prevent scene evaluation.
> - You could also disconnect the connections from the main execute
> node, do the update and then connect them back to the main execute
> node.
>
> -ben
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:09 PM, David Barosin  wrote:
> > I'm scripting a regex renamer for ICE nodes and I was wondering if there
> is
> > something that will suspend updating the scene until all the edits are
> > done.  Something similar the beginEdit and endEdit option for Fcurves.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >  -Dave
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Ben Houston
> Voice: 613-762-4113 Skype: ben.exocortex Twitter: @exocortexcom
> http://Exocortex.com - Passionate CG Software Professionals.
>
>

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Simon Pickard]

"Softimage is already best character animation software"

In your point of view.
I haven't seen much love for the animation side of things in Softimage in
years.
The focus is ICE, not character animation, I'm sad to say.

Re: Begin Edit for ICE Trees

[Ben Houston]

Two ideas:

- You could disable the owner of the ICE tree to prevent scene evaluation.
- You could also disconnect the connections from the main execute
node, do the update and then connect them back to the main execute
node.

-ben

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:09 PM, David Barosin  wrote:
> I'm scripting a regex renamer for ICE nodes and I was wondering if there is
> something that will suspend updating the scene until all the edits are
> done.  Something similar the beginEdit and endEdit option for Fcurves.
>
> Thanks,
>  -Dave



-- 
Best regards,
Ben Houston
Voice: 613-762-4113 Skype: ben.exocortex Twitter: @exocortexcom
http://Exocortex.com - Passionate CG Software Professionals.

Begin Edit for ICE Trees

[David Barosin]

I'm scripting a regex renamer for ICE nodes and I was wondering if there is
something that will suspend updating the scene until all the edits are
done.  Something similar the beginEdit and endEdit option for Fcurves.

Thanks,
 -Dave

RE: can't load cusrom preference

[Matt Lind]

In our pipeline we use Custom user Preferences for things that don't change 
much, such as server paths, database schemas, etc..

I wrote a few simple commands which maintain custom user preferences and found 
the best way to manage them is to treat them like self installing Custom 
Properties using a  versioning scheme.

Every custom property I create for our production has a "version" and "type" 
parameter.  When a scene or model is loaded, an event script scans all the 
custom properties and compares the version and type parameters in the custom 
property to the values stored in the custom property's plugin.  If the plugin 
is newer, the custom property is deleted and re-instanced into the scene 
copying the old information across to the new instance.  I extend this same 
process to custom user preferences.  The main difference being that custom user 
preferences can only use a subset of the available parameter value types 
available for custom properties.

My code for managing custom user preferences is in the OnStartUp() event and 
performs the same tasks as described above.  The only difference is newly 
instanced custom properties to be used as custom user preferences must be 
installed at the scene root before calling InstallCustomPreference().  When 
deleting a custom user preference, you must first delete the custom property 
installed in the user preferences, then delete the associated .preset file in 
the user's workgroup location.  If you do it in any other order, you'll get 
flakey behaviors.


You may still get the error you report when installing the custom user 
preference for the first time, but it'll go away in future sessions of the 
application.  However, I have noticed the error is more frequent in 2012 and 
2013.  Appears to be an order-of-operations thing.  Just the other day one of 
our artists activated "Load last scene at startup" preference, and that 
triggered a bunch of errors.  It seems softimage loads the last scene before 
workgroups are parsed/scanned/loaded.



Matt





From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Thivierge
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 3:40 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: can't load cusrom preference

I stay away from the built in preferences myself because they get a bit hairy 
trying to delete them eventually.

What you could do instead is have a text file holding your pref data which is 
stored as a Python dictionary (as a string) and then creating a plugin for the 
user that reads that string evals it back to a dictionary and builds the UI 
dynamically and allows the users to set the proper prefs. You could either 
store the prefs in the workgroup / addon directory or in the users xsi folder. 
I've found this to be cleaner.

- 2 cents


Eric Thivierge
http://www.ethivierge.com

On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Tim Crowson 
mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>> wrote:
The warning in my first email is all I get.
-Tim


On 4/20/2012 4:26 PM, Stephen Blair wrote:

Works for me.

Do you have the actual error message?





From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson

Sent: April-20-12 4:36 PM

To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com

Subject: can't load cusrom preference



Gents,



I created a custom property in Python to house a single string and want to 
install it in our workgroup as a custom preference. I have placed it in the 
workgroup in \Addons\myTool\Data\Preferences\myCustomPref.Preset But when I run 
Application.RefreshCustomPreferences() I get the following warning:



# WARNING : 3000 - Not able to load a custom preference: 
Path\to\my\customPref.Preset



Any of you Jedis have insight into what might be wrong? I'm using 2012 SAP on 
Windows, FWIW.

--







Tim Crowson

Lead CG Artist





[cid:image001.gif@01CD1F1A.C10D56A0]





Magnetic Dreams Animation Studio, Inc.

2525 Lebanon Pike, Building C. Nashville, TN 37214

Ph  615.885.6801 | Fax  615.889.4768 | 
www.magneticdreams.com

tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com



--



Tim Crowson
Lead CG Artist


[cid:image001.gif@01CD1F0D.E55D3820]

Magnetic Dreams Animation Studio, Inc.
2525 Lebanon Pike, Building C. Nashville, TN 37214
Ph  615.885.6801 | Fax  615.889.4768 | 
www.magneticdreams.com
tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com



<>

Re: can't load cusrom preference

[Eric Thivierge]

I stay away from the built in preferences myself because they get a bit
hairy trying to delete them eventually.

What you could do instead is have a text file holding your pref data which
is stored as a Python dictionary (as a string) and then creating a plugin
for the user that reads that string evals it back to a dictionary and
builds the UI dynamically and allows the users to set the proper prefs. You
could either store the prefs in the workgroup / addon directory or in the
users xsi folder. I've found this to be cleaner.

- 2 cents


Eric Thivierge
http://www.ethivierge.com


On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Tim Crowson  wrote:

>  The warning in my first email is all I get.
> -Tim
>
>
> On 4/20/2012 4:26 PM, Stephen Blair wrote:
>
> Works for me.
> Do you have the actual error message?
>
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson
> Sent: April-20-12 4:36 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: can't load cusrom preference
>
> Gents,
>
> I created a custom property in Python to house a single string and want to 
> install it in our workgroup as a custom preference. I have placed it in the 
> workgroup in \Addons\myTool\Data\Preferences\myCustomPref.Preset But when I 
> run Application.RefreshCustomPreferences() I get the following warning:
>
> # WARNING : 3000 - Not able to load a custom preference: 
> Path\to\my\customPref.Preset
>
> Any of you Jedis have insight into what might be wrong? I'm using 2012 SAP on 
> Windows, FWIW.
> --
>
>
>
> Tim Crowson
> Lead CG Artist
>
>
> [cid:image001.gif@01CD1F1A.C10D56A0]
>
>
> Magnetic Dreams Animation Studio, Inc.
> 2525 Lebanon Pike, Building C. Nashville, TN 37214
> Ph  615.885.6801 | Fax  615.889.4768 | 
> www.magneticdreams.com 
> tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com
>  
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> *Tim Crowson
> **Lead CG Artist*
>
>   *Magnetic Dreams Animation Studio, Inc.
> *
> 2525 Lebanon Pike, Building C. Nashville, TN 37214
> *Ph*  615.885.6801 | *Fax*  615.889.4768 | www.magneticdreams.com
> tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com
>
>
>
<>

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Daniel H]

Much respect for you Chinny, Luc-Eric, Guillaume, and team. Your
programming genius will live on through SI... hard-coded.

Daniel
VFXM

Re: can't load cusrom preference

[Tim Crowson]

Title: Signature

  
  
The warning in my first email is all I get.
-Tim

On 4/20/2012 4:26 PM, Stephen Blair wrote:

  Works for me.
Do you have the actual error message?


From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson
Sent: April-20-12 4:36 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: can't load cusrom preference

Gents,

I created a custom property in Python to house a single string and want to install it in our workgroup as a custom preference. I have placed it in the workgroup in \Addons\myTool\Data\Preferences\myCustomPref.Preset But when I run Application.RefreshCustomPreferences() I get the following warning:

# WARNING : 3000 - Not able to load a custom preference: Path\to\my\customPref.Preset

Any of you Jedis have insight into what might be wrong? I'm using 2012 SAP on Windows, FWIW.
--



Tim Crowson
Lead CG Artist


[cid:image001.gif@01CD1F1A.C10D56A0]


Magnetic Dreams Animation Studio, Inc.
2525 Lebanon Pike, Building C. Nashville, TN 37214
Ph  615.885.6801 | Fax  615.889.4768 | www.magneticdreams.com
tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com




-- 
  
  
   
  

  

  Tim Crowson
  Lead CG
Artist


  

  

  
  Magnetic Dreams Animation
Studio, Inc.
  2525
  Lebanon Pike, Building C. Nashville, TN 37214
  Ph  615.885.6801 | Fax  615.889.4768 |
  www.magneticdreams.com
  tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com
   

  

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[David Saber]

Cheers to the Singapore team,
But I’m not really enchanted with how things unfold, can’t help being worried.
 We ‘d need an XSI super hero ... <>

RE: can't load cusrom preference

[Stephen Blair]

Works for me.
Do you have the actual error message?


From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson
Sent: April-20-12 4:36 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: can't load cusrom preference

Gents,

I created a custom property in Python to house a single string and want to 
install it in our workgroup as a custom preference. I have placed it in the 
workgroup in \Addons\myTool\Data\Preferences\myCustomPref.Preset But when I run 
Application.RefreshCustomPreferences() I get the following warning:

# WARNING : 3000 - Not able to load a custom preference: 
Path\to\my\customPref.Preset

Any of you Jedis have insight into what might be wrong? I'm using 2012 SAP on 
Windows, FWIW.
--



Tim Crowson
Lead CG Artist


[cid:image001.gif@01CD1F1A.C10D56A0]


Magnetic Dreams Animation Studio, Inc.
2525 Lebanon Pike, Building C. Nashville, TN 37214
Ph  615.885.6801 | Fax  615.889.4768 | 
www.magneticdreams.com
tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com

<>

RE: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Simon Van de Lagemaat]

"Multivac, what will happen to Softimage"



"THERE IS INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER."

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Bradley Gabe
Sent: April-20-12 11:42 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

There are too many variables at play with giant, multi-person projects like 
software or, for the sake of example, movies:

George Lucas made the Star Wars movies.
He then went on to make Howard the Duck.

Conversely, while Lucas directed "A New Hope", Irvin Kirshner directed Empire.

There are many more options than a & b from your list. We should deal with the 
ones we have control over.
Do the best you can with what you have, and hope for the best while hedging 
your bets. :-)

Cheers!

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Rob Chapman 
mailto:tekano@gmail.com>> wrote:
So, lets try and reach some logical clarity then, for I am still
somewhat confused and in a dilemma over this brash move with the
development of my application of choice.

Is Autodesk implying here that as an existing Softimage customer I should:-

a)  Stick with Softimage even though the entire original development
team has been moved to Maya or left and replaced

b) Move to Maya, as it is the lead application of choice in M & E
division and all the best developers are attracted here through AD
internal strategies

?

Congratulations on your newborn by the way Sidharth!

can't load cusrom preference

[Tim Crowson]

Title: Signature

  
  
Gents,

I created a custom property in Python to house a single string and
want to install it in our workgroup as a custom preference. I have
placed it in the workgroup in \Addons\myTool\Data\Preferences\myCustomPref.Preset
But when I run Application.RefreshCustomPreferences() I get the
following warning:

# WARNING : 3000 - Not able to load a custom preference:
  Path\to\my\customPref.Preset

Any of you Jedis have insight into what might be wrong? I'm using
2012 SAP on Windows, FWIW.
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Re: OT: ICE demo suggestions for a usergroup

[Byron Nash]

Yeah, it's a presentation to a mixed group of professionals here so not
everyone will even be 3D artists. I do plan on explaining how it's way
beyond a particle system and show some simple yet useful things I've used
it for over the years that are non-sim related.

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Fabricio Chamon  wrote:

> well, first thing I'd do is to let clear ICE is a platform and not a
> particle simulator.
> We all have it embed into our heads, but many who see soft from another
> perspective don't, so I think it's crucial to let them know.
>
> other than that it depends: are you presenting ICE or teaching its basics
> ? The two require very different approaches in my opinion.
>
> if you are presenting, there are tons of user videos over the internet
> that do a really good job at marketing ice: Paul's rendering nodes and
> facial rigs, lagoa, ice syflex, crowd fx, motion graphics experiments, etc.
>
> if you are teaching, you can start simple: explain a bit about data types,
> locations, arrays and contexts (spend some time at contexts giving
> practical examples). Always interchange between theory and practice, so it
> is more pleasing to your audience. Example exercises: a simple scatter,
> particles moving to goals, simple strand emission to create hair, etc
> debugging is also an important thing to show.
>
>
>

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Kiril Aronofski]

>There are too many variables at play with giant, multi-person projects
like software or,
>for the sake of example, movies:
>
>George Lucas made the Star Wars movies.
>He then went on to make Howard the Duck.
>
>Conversely, while Lucas directed "A New Hope", Irvin Kirshner directed
Empire.

So, basically, what you're saying is, you need a great team around you in
order to make a great product. Or else, you make Howard the Duck.
Subsequently, you go on to make 3 more episodes proving once and for all
you are really just a bad director who had a bit of luck the first time
around. Essentially, you are better off letting people who know what they
are doing, do the job you arent capable of doing yourself... Ah, there! You
can fill in the blanks if you like. I'll give you a hint; mayans had no
idea how to direct a movie. ;)

On a more serious note (although, I'm not sure how significant my opinion
is here), I'd have to agree with Rob on this whole uncertainty afair with
Softimage. As a student, I chose to invest my time in learning Softimage
despite a huge presure all around not to do so and instead spend time in
front of Maya. I saw the quality and was assured by the fact that upon
acquisition Autodesk did not dismantle the product or the team behind it.
This last couple of weeks have taken a huge toll on that certainty and made
me very uncomfortable about my decision. I wonder how many newcomers are
here to feel the same. This company have done everything in its power to
discourage people who do not comply to the "maya philosophy".

It's not the end of the world, but the signs are not looking good.


On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Bradley Gabe  wrote:

> There are too many variables at play with giant, multi-person projects
> like software or, for the sake of example, movies:
>
> George Lucas made the Star Wars movies.
> He then went on to make Howard the Duck.
>
> Conversely, while Lucas directed "A New Hope", Irvin Kirshner directed
> Empire.
>
> There are many more options than a & b from your list. We should deal with
> the ones we have control over.
> Do the best you can with what you have, and hope for the best while
> hedging your bets. :-)
>
> Cheers!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Rob Chapman  wrote:
>
>> So, lets try and reach some logical clarity then, for I am still
>> somewhat confused and in a dilemma over this brash move with the
>> development of my application of choice.
>>
>> Is Autodesk implying here that as an existing Softimage customer I
>> should:-
>>
>> a)  Stick with Softimage even though the entire original development
>> team has been moved to Maya or left and replaced
>>
>> b) Move to Maya, as it is the lead application of choice in M & E
>> division and all the best developers are attracted here through AD
>> internal strategies
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Congratulations on your newborn by the way Sidharth!
>>
>
>

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[David Gallagher]

I haven't read all the posts carefully enough probably. So I just read 
his post about moving to MayaFX. Not sure what that is even.



On 4/20/2012 3:39 PM, Bradley Gabe wrote:
Didn't Luc-Eric already explain this in a prior post, in a different 
thread?


On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 3:35 PM, David Gallagher 
mailto:davegsoftimagel...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:



It doesn't seem like we've been discussing a likely scenario: The
Softimage developers are being tapped for a new 3D application
entirely. Maya is definitely showing its age -- if they try to
shoehorn ICE in there, is it really going to work well? Maybe they
are starting a new app. Of course they have to keep it secret
because they can't undercut existing sales.

If they were doing that, they would want to involve all the key
people from Softimage since they have built the most modern/recent
core out there, and it clearly has tech advantages.

Possible?

Dave G

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Eric Turman]

Yeah I thought that they were enticed over to the new project because the
new project had cookies. Makes perfect sense :)

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Bradley Gabe  wrote:

> Didn't Luc-Eric already explain this in a prior post, in a different
> thread?
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 3:35 PM, David Gallagher <
> davegsoftimagel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> It doesn't seem like we've been discussing a likely scenario: The
>> Softimage developers are being tapped for a new 3D application entirely.
>> Maya is definitely showing its age -- if they try to shoehorn ICE in there,
>> is it really going to work well? Maybe they are starting a new app. Of
>> course they have to keep it secret because they can't undercut existing
>> sales.
>>
>> If they were doing that, they would want to involve all the key people
>> from Softimage since they have built the most modern/recent core out there,
>> and it clearly has tech advantages.
>>
>> Possible?
>>
>> Dave G
>>
>
>


-- 




-=T=-

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Bradley Gabe]

Didn't Luc-Eric already explain this in a prior post, in a different thread?

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 3:35 PM, David Gallagher <
davegsoftimagel...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> It doesn't seem like we've been discussing a likely scenario: The
> Softimage developers are being tapped for a new 3D application entirely.
> Maya is definitely showing its age -- if they try to shoehorn ICE in there,
> is it really going to work well? Maybe they are starting a new app. Of
> course they have to keep it secret because they can't undercut existing
> sales.
>
> If they were doing that, they would want to involve all the key people
> from Softimage since they have built the most modern/recent core out there,
> and it clearly has tech advantages.
>
> Possible?
>
> Dave G
>

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[David Gallagher]

It doesn't seem like we've been discussing a likely scenario: The 
Softimage developers are being tapped for a new 3D application entirely. 
Maya is definitely showing its age -- if they try to shoehorn ICE in 
there, is it really going to work well? Maybe they are starting a new 
app. Of course they have to keep it secret because they can't undercut 
existing sales.


If they were doing that, they would want to involve all the key people 
from Softimage since they have built the most modern/recent core out 
there, and it clearly has tech advantages.


Possible?

Dave G

Re: What are the specific API limitations on the background render thread?

[Ben Houston]

Hi Kamen,

Thanks so much for the pointers!

Based on your feedback and another response off list, Helge identified
the error.  Our Alembic plugin can provide geometry to the renderer
directly and we were trying to call a Softimage Command via the
Softimage Command framework to do a task prior to providing the
geometry on a background render thread.  This turns out to just not be
possible.  Once we stopped trying to call a Softimage Command on a
background render thread, the freeze went away.

Best regards,
-ben

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Kamen Lilov  wrote:
> Ben,
>
> What are you doing with these commands?
>
> SI can, and in fact _will_ consistenly lock up if you modify any aspects of
> the scene (param values, custom properties, etc) in a thread other than the
> main or renderer threads. Also, it will lock up if you change stuff on the
> renderer thread _while_ you are holding the global scene lock.
>
> Welcome to the wonderful world of SI plug-in development and all its
> undocumented goodness!
>
>
> On 4/19/2012 9:25 PM, Ben Houston wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Welcome new SI team!
>>
>> I've got a question for you.  I am debugging a renderer integration
>> issue.  The issue is that Softimage is locking up when I try to
>> execute a Command (a command exposed via Softimage's Command plugin
>> framework)  within a preview render update.  Softimage does not lock
>> up when I render the frame via the "Render>  Current Frame."
>> Currently, my suspicion is that executing "Commands" is not allowed on
>> this specific preview render thread because it is a background thread.
>>
>> If this is the case, then the recommended solution is to should move
>> the calling of these commands to the "siOnBeginFrame" event?  My
>> suspicion is that this event (siOnBeginFrame) is guaranteed to happen
>> on the main thread via some magic even if ctxt.TriggerEvent(
>> siOnBeginFrame, ... ) is called from the background preview render
>> thread.
>>
>



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Voice: 613-762-4113 Skype: ben.exocortex Twitter: @exocortexcom
http://Exocortex.com - Passionate CG Software Professionals.

Re: OT: ICE demo suggestions for a usergroup

[Fabricio Chamon]

well, first thing I'd do is to let clear ICE is a platform and not a
particle simulator.
We all have it embed into our heads, but many who see soft from another
perspective don't, so I think it's crucial to let them know.

other than that it depends: are you presenting ICE or teaching its basics ?
The two require very different approaches in my opinion.

if you are presenting, there are tons of user videos over the internet that
do a really good job at marketing ice: Paul's rendering nodes and facial
rigs, lagoa, ice syflex, crowd fx, motion graphics experiments, etc.

if you are teaching, you can start simple: explain a bit about data types,
locations, arrays and contexts (spend some time at contexts giving
practical examples). Always interchange between theory and practice, so it
is more pleasing to your audience. Example exercises: a simple scatter,
particles moving to goals, simple strand emission to create hair, etc
debugging is also an important thing to show.

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Bradley Gabe]

There are too many variables at play with giant, multi-person projects like
software or, for the sake of example, movies:

George Lucas made the Star Wars movies.
He then went on to make Howard the Duck.

Conversely, while Lucas directed "A New Hope", Irvin Kirshner directed
Empire.

There are many more options than a & b from your list. We should deal with
the ones we have control over.
Do the best you can with what you have, and hope for the best while hedging
your bets. :-)

Cheers!


On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Rob Chapman  wrote:

> So, lets try and reach some logical clarity then, for I am still
> somewhat confused and in a dilemma over this brash move with the
> development of my application of choice.
>
> Is Autodesk implying here that as an existing Softimage customer I should:-
>
> a)  Stick with Softimage even though the entire original development
> team has been moved to Maya or left and replaced
>
> b) Move to Maya, as it is the lead application of choice in M & E
> division and all the best developers are attracted here through AD
> internal strategies
>
> ?
>
> Congratulations on your newborn by the way Sidharth!
>

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Rob Chapman]

So, lets try and reach some logical clarity then, for I am still
somewhat confused and in a dilemma over this brash move with the
development of my application of choice.

Is Autodesk implying here that as an existing Softimage customer I should:-

a)  Stick with Softimage even though the entire original development
team has been moved to Maya or left and replaced

b) Move to Maya, as it is the lead application of choice in M & E
division and all the best developers are attracted here through AD
internal strategies

?

Congratulations on your newborn by the way Sidharth!

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Christian Gotzinger]

You've made your point a billion times over, and I'm quite sick of it to be
honest.
I think we all know by now that you go with the flow in your company and
don't have any issues with these other applications. I do, so please stop
telling me how wonderful the world outside of SI is. I go there every day
for at least 15 to 30 minutes, and I'm always glad when I'm back in SI
territory.

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Stefan Andersson wrote:

> But good news everyone! There are actually a lot of softwares out there
> which is just longing for your expertise and knowledge. And lots of black
> frames that needs content, and the frames doesn't give a  what kind of
> software you used :)
>
>

RE: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Siddharth Bolurker]

 Took me a while to chime in, cause i`ve been on leave this week having just 
had a baby girl earlier this week :)
I know some of y`all on this list for those who I dont, i`ve been with 
Softimage up in montreal in various roles in QA and support, and post 
aquisition after having spent a while with Adsk support have moved to Singapore 
last year as the AE for APAC (atleast in this part of the world i`m doing my 
bit to make sure Soft is out there and well repped).

  With regards to the changes the you`ve become aware of, sure its sad to see 
some experienced hands moving onto other stuff, but rest assured from what i`ve 
heard, some of them will still be guiding hands to the new team. The new team, 
who incidently are in the in nxt bldg from mine (@Brad : Its a fair bit from 
Chinatown), is more than capable of carrying on the good work done in the past 
, and more importantly highly motivated about working on Soft. In terms of 
numbers, the staff announced are just the core and there are more guys on the 
team as well(Infact right now in terms of numbers i feel more confident than 
the past 2 years). Being a passionate soft user for many years and also someone 
who has a look into the inside I can safely say that I feel confident about 
these guys taking Soft forward. Like Chun Pong said earlier feel free to ping 
the dev guys or me if your ever in the region, and like always keep extending 
your support to the new team, they`ll do well!!
<>

Re: Scripting: Opening ICE Tree View Inside a Specific Compound

[David Barosin]

Thanks.  That is a fun one.

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Bradley Gabe  wrote:

> Here's a fun one.
>
> I've got a GUI for a custom operator, and a button for opening an ICE Tree
> to display the insides of a specific Compound. This allows the user to use
> the sliders in the GUI for basic controls, but also provides quick access
> to the guts of an ICE Tree for advanced controls.
>
> To make this work, all you need is the address to the specific Compound
> you want to open. So for a custom compound (MyCompound) in an ICE Operator
> (MyICEOperator) use the following:
>
>
> nodeAddress = oSimCloud.FullName+".pointcloud.MyICEOperator.MyCompound"
> Application.SelectObj(nodeAddress)
> Application.OpenView("ICE Tree")
>

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Raffaele Fragapane]

I'm surprised it took this long, and honestly can't blame Rob for taking it
there. It is a Godwin worthy thread if there ever has been one on the list
this year :p

On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Bradley Gabe  wrote:

> And the thread has reached Godwin's Law status...
>
>
>

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Rob Chapman]

Its OK I didn't have an argument or any credibility to start with , so
nothing lost here :)

but apologies for derailing the thread, nothing to see here, back to
the topic at hand



On 20 April 2012 16:27, Alan Fregtman  wrote:
> Godwin's Law proves true yet again...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law :P

RE: OT: ICE demo suggestions for a usergroup

[Grahame Fuller]

> unless maybe you freeze your cloud.

Nope, not even then.

gray

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Alan Fregtman
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:22 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: OT: ICE demo suggestions for a usergroup

Some handy basic topics I'd recommend you tried to cover:

- Understanding how to debug data. Learn to use "Show Values".
- Remembering about ICE "optimizations", such as "if you don't use a custom 
attribute, it doesn't really exist for reals, yo" -- unless maybe you freeze 
your cloud.
- States and machines!
- Understanding context to some extent; realising that if you put your cursor 
on top of a plug/input it will hint you the context it wants to be.
- How to manipulate arrays, merge arrays and select from them.
- Using Filter nodes.
- Understanding the difference between an array and a set.
- Understanding what a location is, knowing that it sticks to geo really well 
automagically, how to use built-in ones (like self.NodeLocation) vs creating 
them with lookups, that Raycast is faster than Get Closest Location and 
realising that locations are the solution to most of the context woes.
- Simulation substeps and why you might need to increase them for some 
simulations.


On 4/20/2012 10:53 AM, Byron Nash wrote:
I lead a local usergroup in my city (cavemode.com)  and am 
on tap for the next meeting to discuss ICE. I wondered what aspects you all 
think would be most beneficial to a crowd who has no experience with it? I have 
a few scenes I plan on showing and will hit some high points of all the 
different areas it covers. I'm not an expert like most of you on this list so I 
can't (competently) get into a Bradley Gabe style exercise in awesome maths. ;-)

Any feedback appreciated.

Byron

<>

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Bradley Gabe]

And the thread has reached Godwin's Law status...

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Rob Wuijster  wrote:

>  I was wondering when that one would pop up, this thread has been going
> on for a while now.. ;-)
>
> Rob
>
> \/-\/\/
>
>
> On 20-4-2012 17:08, Rob Chapman wrote:
>
>  I don't see how anything that has been said so far would lead you to this 
> conclusion.
>
>
>
> sorry, I was attempting some sarcasm.  maybe it went down more like
> this at Autodesk HQ
> http://youtu.be/kR7UWImpG54
>
>
> :D   so that was a joke ok, some of us are just more resistant to
> change than others, no hard feelings to the (ex) soft devs at all
>
>
> -
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4947 - Release Date: 04/19/12
>
>
>
>

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Alan Fregtman]

/*Godwin's Law* proves true yet again.../ 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law 
 :P



On 4/20/2012 11:12 AM, Rob Wuijster wrote:
I was wondering when that one would pop up, this thread has been going 
on for a while now.. ;-)

Rob

\/-\/\/

On 20-4-2012 17:08, Rob Chapman wrote:

I don't see how anything that has been said so far would lead you to this 
conclusion.

sorry, I was attempting some sarcasm.  maybe it went down more like
this at Autodesk HQ

http://youtu.be/kR7UWImpG54

:D   so that was a joke ok, some of us are just more resistant to
change than others, no hard feelings to the (ex) soft devs at all


-
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Scripting: Opening ICE Tree View Inside a Specific Compound

[Bradley Gabe]

Here's a fun one.

I've got a GUI for a custom operator, and a button for opening an ICE Tree
to display the insides of a specific Compound. This allows the user to use
the sliders in the GUI for basic controls, but also provides quick access
to the guts of an ICE Tree for advanced controls.

To make this work, all you need is the address to the specific Compound you
want to open. So for a custom compound (MyCompound) in an ICE Operator
(MyICEOperator) use the following:


nodeAddress = oSimCloud.FullName+".pointcloud.MyICEOperator.MyCompound"
Application.SelectObj(nodeAddress)
Application.OpenView("ICE Tree")

Re: OT: ICE demo suggestions for a usergroup

[Alan Fregtman]

Some handy basic topics I'd recommend you tried to cover:

- Understanding how to debug data. Learn to use "Show Values".
- Remembering about ICE "optimizations", such as "if you don't use a 
custom attribute, it doesn't really exist for reals, yo" -- unless maybe 
you freeze your cloud.

- States and machines!
- Understanding context to some extent; realising that if you put your 
cursor on top of a plug/input it will hint you the context it wants to be.

- How to manipulate arrays, merge arrays and select from them.
- Using Filter nodes.
- Understanding the difference between an array and a set.
- Understanding what a location is, knowing that it sticks to geo really 
well automagically, how to use built-in ones (like self.NodeLocation) vs 
creating them with lookups, that Raycast is faster than Get Closest 
Location and realising that locations are the solution to most of the 
context woes.
- Simulation substeps and why you might need to increase them for some 
simulations.



On 4/20/2012 10:53 AM, Byron Nash wrote:
I lead a local usergroup in my city (cavemode.com 
)  and am on tap for the next meeting to discuss 
ICE. I wondered what aspects you all think would be most beneficial to 
a crowd who has no experience with it? I have a few scenes I plan on 
showing and will hit some high points of all the different areas it 
covers. I'm not an expert like most of you on this list so I can't 
(competently) get into a Bradley Gabe style exercise in awesome maths. 
;-)


Any feedback appreciated.

Byron

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Rob Wuijster]

I was wondering when that one would pop up, this thread has been going 
on for a while now.. ;-)



Rob

\/-\/\/


On 20-4-2012 17:08, Rob Chapman wrote:

I don't see how anything that has been said so far would lead you to this 
conclusion.


sorry, I was attempting some sarcasm.  maybe it went down more like
this at Autodesk HQ

http://youtu.be/kR7UWImpG54

:D   so that was a joke ok, some of us are just more resistant to
change than others, no hard feelings to the (ex) soft devs at all


-
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4947 - Release Date: 04/19/12

JOB: ModusFx looking for a Character rigger for our upcoming high-end projects, starting now

[Bruno Blain]

Hi everyone,

I am the lead rigger at ModusFx, and we are currently looking for a 
talented character rigger for exiting new projects.
We would be pleased to have someone reliable, a good communicator, team 
worker with a strong understanding of softimage, anatomy, good skills in 
skinning, deformation, facial setup, dynamics, ICE and python / pyQt.


If you are interested in joining our team or if you know someone who 
might be,

please send your resume / demoreel via our website, www.modusfx.com

Thank you !

--
Best regards,
Bruno Blain

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Mirko Jankovic]

So creating another ICE in maya instead of using Sotimage as ICE addon to
maya :)

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Rob Chapman]

> I don't see how anything that has been said so far would lead you to this 
> conclusion.


sorry, I was attempting some sarcasm.  maybe it went down more like
this at Autodesk HQ

http://youtu.be/kR7UWImpG54

:D   so that was a joke ok, some of us are just more resistant to
change than others, no hard feelings to the (ex) soft devs at all

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Peter Agg]

"Time spent fixing [software I don't use] would be better spent polishing
[software I use] and making it even better."

To be honest both Soft and Maya still need a fair amount of work done to
them: they each have their own weird blind-spots. I think the case for
using some of Soft's UI/ICE guys giving some of their expertise to Maya is
pretty strong, whichever way you look at it - not every Maya user has an
rnd team behind them, after all..



On 20 April 2012 15:39, Mirko Jankovic wrote:

> Time spent fixing Maya would be better spent polishing Softimage
> and making it even better.
> Big studios using Maya are doing their fixes on top of it anyway so...
>
> Softimage is already best character animation software. Strengthen it in
> architecture and gaming areas and you would never need another piece of
> software.
> And replace Mental Ray with Arnold or even better remove
> rendering completely and left it optional to pay with licence for Arnold or
> even VRay.
>
> Now, who wouldn't like you to buy one software and be set for all your
> production need...
>
> Let's not be kids. We all know that financially speaking best option would
> be to have every single part of production covered with different program.
> Modeling in one, texturing in other *yes they would separate that too and
> so on.
> That is already on the way for years now.
> Before we had and needed 1 piece of software for all 3d work now you go
> from sketching software, to modeling software, over to animation and so on.
> Maya had sculpting started back in version 2.5 if I remember... it really
> couldn't evolved in something like zbrush or mudbox inside it?
> Separating production is what gives more money back and that is how
> everything will keep evolving.
>
> It is not in interest of company to evolve all parts in one software and
> use one Softimage for all your 3d needs.
> Simple as that..
>
> What is next.. remove any other rendering completely and leave only real
> time shader.. convert it to game engine...
> For any other rendering buy maya / max
>
>
>

OT: ICE demo suggestions for a usergroup

[Byron Nash]

I lead a local usergroup in my city (cavemode.com)  and am on tap for the
next meeting to discuss ICE. I wondered what aspects you all think would be
most beneficial to a crowd who has no experience with it? I have a few
scenes I plan on showing and will hit some high points of all the different
areas it covers. I'm not an expert like most of you on this list so I can't
(competently) get into a Bradley Gabe style exercise in awesome maths. ;-)

Any feedback appreciated.

Byron

RE: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Brent McPherson]

> Oh and am expected to believe all of the previous Soft Dev team collectively 
> came up with
> the idea of working on Maya themselves did they? and they suggested it to the 
> powers that
> be at AD and they said - wow what a fantastic idea, lets do it!

I don't see how anything that has been said so far would lead you to this 
conclusion.
--
Brent

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Rob Chapman
Sent: 20 April 2012 14:33
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

Thanks Brent, I'm not sure what to believe, still pretty shocked, from my 
perspective it looks right now like things are changing for the better of Maya 
and for worse for Softimage. Survival of the fittest and all that,  is this why 
we got a dinosaur primitive in the last SAP release - a not so subtle hint of 
things to come.

Oh and am expected to believe all of the previous Soft Dev team collectively 
came up with the idea of working on Maya themselves did they? and they 
suggested it to the powers that be at AD and they said
- wow what a fantastic idea, lets do it!  Cynical and glass half empty perhaps, 
but you really expect us last remaining folk who work within a Softimage only 
based pipeline to be happy and optimistic about this?

A smooth transition to what?



On 20 April 2012 14:11, Brent McPherson  wrote:
> Things change. It is a simple fact of life.
>
> Sometimes change is good and sometimes it is bad. You can believe what you 
> want but some of us are optimistic and have done everything we can to try and 
> make this a smooth transition.
>
> Now excuse me while I go and refill my half-full coffee cup... ;-)
> --
> Brent
>
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Rob 
> Chapman
> Sent: 20 April 2012 13:57
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)
>
> 'Until you manage to reverse the information flow, then the people 
> will remain subjected to the sick message dished out from the top'  , 
> Noam Chomsky
>
>
>
> On 20 April 2012 13:35, Stefan Andersson  wrote:
>> hahaha!! So the whole team is gone, and replaced by games people in 
>> Singapore. Do you actually believe that WE will believe that nothing 
>> will change?? Excuse me but... what?
>>
>> Yeah right
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Brent McPherson 
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Ummm, all the devs are moving on to the new project and we are 
>>> keeping the team together.
>>>
>>> All the Softies have had a hand in training the Singapore team to 
>>> make sure the transition is a smooth one. They have not been scared 
>>> to jump into such a large product so I'm excited to see what they 
>>> can do. As Chun-Pong mentioned there are some very experienced 
>>> Softimage devs in the consulting team in Montreal that still work on 
>>> Softimage and many of their fixes get rolled into each release. 
>>> Everyone involved with Softimage over the past few years is still around so 
>>> the knowledge is not going anywhere.
>>> --
>>> Brent
>>>
>>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Steven 
>>> Caron
>>> Sent: 19 April 2012 22:41
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>>> Subject: Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)
>>>
>>> stay calm, there are others still around... unless they are leaving too.
>>> sean, marc-andre, yanick, brent... those are just off the top of my head.
>>>
>>> dont forget all the support guys too! stephen, graham, siddarth, matthew..
>>> i am sure i am missing someone...
>>>
>>> s
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Rob Chapman 
>>> mailto:tekano@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> incredulous, absolve the the entire known dev team ( except Brent 
>>> stays
>>> yes?) into fecking Maya, plan it for over year, whilst denying 
>>> everything and that nothing is going to happen to Softimage.  seriously?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> STEFAN ANDERSSON // Creative Director // Mad Crew AB // 
>> http://www.madcrew.se
>>
>>
>

<>

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Mirko Jankovic]

Time spent fixing Maya would be better spent polishing Softimage
and making it even better.
Big studios using Maya are doing their fixes on top of it anyway so...

Softimage is already best character animation software. Strengthen it in
architecture and gaming areas and you would never need another piece of
software.
And replace Mental Ray with Arnold or even better remove
rendering completely and left it optional to pay with licence for Arnold or
even VRay.

Now, who wouldn't like you to buy one software and be set for all your
production need...

Let's not be kids. We all know that financially speaking best option would
be to have every single part of production covered with different program.
Modeling in one, texturing in other *yes they would separate that too and
so on.
That is already on the way for years now.
Before we had and needed 1 piece of software for all 3d work now you go
from sketching software, to modeling software, over to animation and so on.
Maya had sculpting started back in version 2.5 if I remember... it really
couldn't evolved in something like zbrush or mudbox inside it?
Separating production is what gives more money back and that is how
everything will keep evolving.

It is not in interest of company to evolve all parts in one software and
use one Softimage for all your 3d needs.
Simple as that..

What is next.. remove any other rendering completely and leave only real
time shader.. convert it to game engine...
For any other rendering buy maya / max

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Bradley Gabe]

To the team in Singapore, are you fellas located far from Chinatown and
Food Street?

RE: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Williams, Wayne]

Oh, and another request I forgot!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnhxPMAXiVY&hd=1

This ties in with #3.

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Williams, Wayne
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:07 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

Stefan,
You predominantly use the product the majority of the Softimage dev team just 
switched over to developing for so not quite sure what you’re going on about ☺ 
I’m working in games at this point so am very, very excited to see what the 
Singapore team brings to the table. If you guys are taking requests Chun Pong 
I’d personally love to see:


1.   http://xoliulshader.com/   Something akin to the Xouli shader that is 
available to the max crowd. It’s easy to use and get great results.

2.   http://www.8monkeylabs.com/toolbag  An easy to set up lighting system 
as found in Marmoset.

3.   Better baking functionality than what ultimapper provides. i.e. Cages, 
baking FG, etc.

4.   Tighter export functionality with Cryengine/UDK/Unity. (not sure if 
this is on autodesk dev side or something the engine makers have to sort 
themselves)

5.   Fix the obj exporter. That thing is broke as hell. The file sizes it 
exports are way bigger than the same object coming from max and you can’t get 
your user normals out with your uv’s unless you do some workaround dragging 
things about in the explorer view.

6.   A more streamlined methodology for creating hair/wig alpha cards.
This is just off the top of my head. It shouldn’t have to be like jumping 
through flaming hoops while doused in gasoline when I try to view a real time 
asset in Softimage or get those things to a game engine but that’s what it 
feels like right now. Please, extinguish my pain!

As for the Soft guys and gals that are leaving, you will surely be missed. A 
heartfelt thanks for all the years of your life you dedicated towards Softimage 
and to providing us end users with the help we needed every single day of the 
week on this list. Respect.

-wayne

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Andersson
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:36 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

hahaha!! So the whole team is gone, and replaced by games people in Singapore. 
Do you actually believe that WE will believe that nothing will change?? Excuse 
me but... what?

Yeah right



On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Brent McPherson 
mailto:brent.mcpher...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
Ummm, all the devs are moving on to the new project and we are keeping the team 
together.

All the Softies have had a hand in training the Singapore team to make sure the 
transition is a smooth one. They have not been scared to jump into such a large 
product so I'm excited to see what they can do. As Chun-Pong mentioned there 
are some very experienced Softimage devs in the consulting team in Montreal 
that still work on Softimage and many of their fixes get rolled into each 
release. Everyone involved with Softimage over the past few years is still 
around so the knowledge is not going anywhere.
--
Brent

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 On Behalf Of Steven Caron
Sent: 19 April 2012 22:41
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

stay calm, there are others still around... unless they are leaving too. sean, 
marc-andre, yanick, brent... those are just off the top of my head.

dont forget all the support guys too! stephen, graham, siddarth, matthew.. i am 
sure i am missing someone...

s

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Rob Chapman 
mailto:tekano@gmail.com>>>
 wrote:
incredulous, absolve the the entire known dev team ( except Brent stays yes?) 
into fecking Maya, plan it for over year, whilst denying everything and that 
nothing is going to happen to Softimage.  seriously?



--

STEFAN ANDERSSON // Creative Director // Mad Crew AB // 
http://www.madcrew.se

RE: Python in 2012

[Stephen Blair]

Hi Helge

I just tried 2012 SAP with Python 2.7.2, and I was able to run scripts in the 
script editor (64-bit Windows 7 btw).

Just to make sure it isn't something simple, did you run runonce.bat ?


From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Helge Mathee
Sent: April-20-12 10:26 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Python in 2012

The code is not executed at all for me. Actually this repros on two machines 
here.
So typing up wrong code doesn't give an error either.

Regards from Sebastian Kowalski by the way. Same on his box on 2013.

-H

On 4/20/2012 14:00, Martin Chatterjee wrote:
Never had that.  I think there's an issue with Python's print() not working 
inside the Script Editor when using a standalone Python install though.

Cheers, -M
--
Martin Chatterjee

[ Freelance Technical Director ]
[http://www.chatterjee.de]


On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Stefan Kubicek 
mailto:s...@tidbit-images.com>> wrote:
Never happened to mee either, though I've been mostly using the built-in Python 
version that ships with Softimage for some time now, which is version 2.6.4. I 
believe to remember that this was the only
officially supported and working version, others have this or that issue. Any 
particular reason you need to use 2.7.2 over 2.6.4?

Maybe ask Steven Caron, he seems to favour 2.7.2 too (PyQt for Softimage is 
compiled against it afaik)



Hey folks,

I have installed 2.72 x64 as well as pywin32 for the right version.
Python is showing up in the script editor as an option, python plugins
work (such as custom commands and operators) but the code in the script
editor itself is not executed when using python. Is this a known issue?

-H

--
---
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---
  keyvis digital imagery
 Wehrgasse 9 - Grüner Hof
  1050 Vienna  Austria
Phone:+43/699/12614231
--- www.keyvis.at  
ste...@keyvis.at ---
--  This email and its attachments are
--confidential and for the recipient only--


<>

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Ben Beckett]

If it takes the soft boys and girls to fix maya than that can't be a bad
thing, we know we love the way they made soft work. let hope no one from
the Maya team is trying to better soft!

Ben
On 20 April 2012 14:33, Rob Chapman  wrote:

> Thanks Brent, I'm not sure what to believe, still pretty shocked, from
> my perspective it looks right now like things are changing for the
> better of Maya and for worse for Softimage. Survival of the fittest
> and all that,  is this why we got a dinosaur primitive in the last SAP
> release - a not so subtle hint of things to come.
>
> Oh and am expected to believe all of the previous Soft Dev team
> collectively came up with the idea of working on Maya themselves did
> they? and they suggested it to the powers that be at AD and they said
> - wow what a fantastic idea, lets do it!  Cynical and glass half empty
> perhaps, but you really expect us last remaining folk who work within
> a Softimage only based pipeline to be happy and optimistic about this?
>
> A smooth transition to what?
>
>
>
> On 20 April 2012 14:11, Brent McPherson 
> wrote:
> > Things change. It is a simple fact of life.
> >
> > Sometimes change is good and sometimes it is bad. You can believe what
> you want but some of us are optimistic and have done everything we can to
> try and make this a smooth transition.
> >
> > Now excuse me while I go and refill my half-full coffee cup... ;-)
> > --
> > Brent
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Rob Chapman
> > Sent: 20 April 2012 13:57
> > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> > Subject: Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)
> >
> > 'Until you manage to reverse the information flow, then the people will
> remain subjected to the sick message dished out from the top'  , Noam
> Chomsky
> >
> >
> >
> > On 20 April 2012 13:35, Stefan Andersson  wrote:
> >> hahaha!! So the whole team is gone, and replaced by games people in
> >> Singapore. Do you actually believe that WE will believe that nothing
> >> will change?? Excuse me but... what?
> >>
> >> Yeah right
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Brent McPherson
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ummm, all the devs are moving on to the new project and we are
> >>> keeping the team together.
> >>>
> >>> All the Softies have had a hand in training the Singapore team to
> >>> make sure the transition is a smooth one. They have not been scared
> >>> to jump into such a large product so I'm excited to see what they can
> >>> do. As Chun-Pong mentioned there are some very experienced Softimage
> >>> devs in the consulting team in Montreal that still work on Softimage
> >>> and many of their fixes get rolled into each release. Everyone
> >>> involved with Softimage over the past few years is still around so the
> knowledge is not going anywhere.
> >>> --
> >>> Brent
> >>>
> >>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> >>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Steven
> >>> Caron
> >>> Sent: 19 April 2012 22:41
> >>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)
> >>>
> >>> stay calm, there are others still around... unless they are leaving
> too.
> >>> sean, marc-andre, yanick, brent... those are just off the top of my
> head.
> >>>
> >>> dont forget all the support guys too! stephen, graham, siddarth,
> matthew..
> >>> i am sure i am missing someone...
> >>>
> >>> s
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Rob Chapman
> >>> mailto:tekano@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>> incredulous, absolve the the entire known dev team ( except Brent
> >>> stays
> >>> yes?) into fecking Maya, plan it for over year, whilst denying
> >>> everything and that nothing is going to happen to Softimage.
>  seriously?
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> STEFAN ANDERSSON // Creative Director // Mad Crew AB //
> >> http://www.madcrew.se
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: Python in 2012

[Martin Chatterjee]

All right - I'm not on 2013 yet... :-/

-M
--
Martin Chatterjee

[ Freelance Technical Director ]
[http://www.chatterjee.de]



On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Helge Mathee  wrote:

>  The code is not executed at all for me. Actually this repros on two
> machines here.
> So typing up wrong code doesn't give an error either.
>
> Regards from Sebastian Kowalski by the way. Same on his box on 2013.
>
> -H
>
>
> On 4/20/2012 14:00, Martin Chatterjee wrote:
>
> Never had that.  I think there's an issue with Python's print() not
> working inside the Script Editor when using a standalone Python install
> though.
>
>  Cheers, -M
> --
> Martin Chatterjee
>
> [ Freelance Technical Director ]
> [http://www.chatterjee.de]
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Stefan Kubicek wrote:
>
>> Never happened to mee either, though I've been mostly using the built-in
>> Python version that ships with Softimage for some time now, which is
>> version 2.6.4. I believe to remember that this was the only
>> officially supported and working version, others have this or that issue.
>> Any particular reason you need to use 2.7.2 over 2.6.4?
>>
>> Maybe ask Steven Caron, he seems to favour 2.7.2 too (PyQt for Softimage
>> is compiled against it afaik)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Hey folks,
>>>
>>> I have installed 2.72 x64 as well as pywin32 for the right version.
>>> Python is showing up in the script editor as an option, python plugins
>>> work (such as custom commands and operators) but the code in the script
>>> editor itself is not executed when using python. Is this a known issue?
>>>
>>> -H
>>>
>>>
>>
>>   --
>> ---
>> Stefan Kubicek   Co-founder
>> ---
>>   keyvis digital imagery
>>  Wehrgasse 9 - Grüner Hof
>>   1050 Vienna  Austria
>> Phone:+43/699/12614231
>> --- www.keyvis.at  ste...@keyvis.at ---
>> --  This email and its attachments are
>> --confidential and for the recipient only--
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Rob Chapman]

Thanks Brent, I'm not sure what to believe, still pretty shocked, from
my perspective it looks right now like things are changing for the
better of Maya and for worse for Softimage. Survival of the fittest
and all that,  is this why we got a dinosaur primitive in the last SAP
release - a not so subtle hint of things to come.

Oh and am expected to believe all of the previous Soft Dev team
collectively came up with the idea of working on Maya themselves did
they? and they suggested it to the powers that be at AD and they said
- wow what a fantastic idea, lets do it!  Cynical and glass half empty
perhaps, but you really expect us last remaining folk who work within
a Softimage only based pipeline to be happy and optimistic about this?

A smooth transition to what?



On 20 April 2012 14:11, Brent McPherson  wrote:
> Things change. It is a simple fact of life.
>
> Sometimes change is good and sometimes it is bad. You can believe what you 
> want but some of us are optimistic and have done everything we can to try and 
> make this a smooth transition.
>
> Now excuse me while I go and refill my half-full coffee cup... ;-)
> --
> Brent
>
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Rob Chapman
> Sent: 20 April 2012 13:57
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)
>
> 'Until you manage to reverse the information flow, then the people will 
> remain subjected to the sick message dished out from the top'  , Noam Chomsky
>
>
>
> On 20 April 2012 13:35, Stefan Andersson  wrote:
>> hahaha!! So the whole team is gone, and replaced by games people in
>> Singapore. Do you actually believe that WE will believe that nothing
>> will change?? Excuse me but... what?
>>
>> Yeah right
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Brent McPherson
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Ummm, all the devs are moving on to the new project and we are
>>> keeping the team together.
>>>
>>> All the Softies have had a hand in training the Singapore team to
>>> make sure the transition is a smooth one. They have not been scared
>>> to jump into such a large product so I'm excited to see what they can
>>> do. As Chun-Pong mentioned there are some very experienced Softimage
>>> devs in the consulting team in Montreal that still work on Softimage
>>> and many of their fixes get rolled into each release. Everyone
>>> involved with Softimage over the past few years is still around so the 
>>> knowledge is not going anywhere.
>>> --
>>> Brent
>>>
>>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Steven
>>> Caron
>>> Sent: 19 April 2012 22:41
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>>> Subject: Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)
>>>
>>> stay calm, there are others still around... unless they are leaving too.
>>> sean, marc-andre, yanick, brent... those are just off the top of my head.
>>>
>>> dont forget all the support guys too! stephen, graham, siddarth, matthew..
>>> i am sure i am missing someone...
>>>
>>> s
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Rob Chapman
>>> mailto:tekano@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> incredulous, absolve the the entire known dev team ( except Brent
>>> stays
>>> yes?) into fecking Maya, plan it for over year, whilst denying
>>> everything and that nothing is going to happen to Softimage.  seriously?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> STEFAN ANDERSSON // Creative Director // Mad Crew AB //
>> http://www.madcrew.se
>>
>>
>

Re: Python in 2012

[Helge Mathee]

The code is not executed at all for me. Actually this repros on two 
machines here.

So typing up wrong code doesn't give an error either.

Regards from Sebastian Kowalski by the way. Same on his box on 2013.

-H

On 4/20/2012 14:00, Martin Chatterjee wrote:
Never had that.  I think there's an issue with Python's print() not 
working inside the Script Editor when using a standalone Python 
install though.


Cheers, -M
--
Martin Chatterjee

[ Freelance Technical Director ]
[ http://www.chatterjee.de]



On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Stefan Kubicek > wrote:


Never happened to mee either, though I've been mostly using the
built-in Python version that ships with Softimage for some time
now, which is version 2.6.4. I believe to remember that this was
the only
officially supported and working version, others have this or that
issue. Any particular reason you need to use 2.7.2 over 2.6.4?

Maybe ask Steven Caron, he seems to favour 2.7.2 too (PyQt for
Softimage is compiled against it afaik)




Hey folks,

I have installed 2.72 x64 as well as pywin32 for the right
version.
Python is showing up in the script editor as an option, python
plugins
work (such as custom commands and operators) but the code in
the script
editor itself is not executed when using python. Is this a
known issue?

-H



-- 
---

Stefan Kubicek   Co-founder
---
  keyvis digital imagery
 Wehrgasse 9 - Grüner Hof
  1050 Vienna  Austria
Phone: +43/699/12614231 
--- www.keyvis.at  ste...@keyvis.at
 ---
--  This email and its attachments are
--confidential and for the recipient only--

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Daniel Sweeney]

i do look at the glass is half full, so i hope that only good will come
from this.

i can only hope and imagine Autodesk has been planning this for a while so
everything should be planned to the smallest detail. dont know if they have
shipped any of there other software developement out to the east. so maybe
this is a test and they have decided to try this with a recent acquisition.

some one said in the studio that it may have been moved east bound because
there is a large market share for soft.
but also i see a lot of bigger companies, from all different industries
having a stab at moving operations to countries that have cheaper labour.
and this may be another factor in the decision by Autodesk. but then again
i dont know what the rate of pay is in Singapore. so apologies if this
comment means nothing.

Its a shame the seasoned soft developers are moving on, (thanks for all the
hard work and keeping in touch with the community) but nothing can be done
about this and you just have to embrace change. and hopefully its for the
best.

I do hope the new team keeps in touch with the community like the old, and
you guys definately have some big boots to fill. Work hard guys!

I just hope Autodesk is doing this for the right reasons...and not greed.

my two cent.



Daniel Sweeney
3D Generalist

*Mobile:* +44 (0)7743429771
*Email:* danielbswee...@gmail.com **



On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Rob Chapman  wrote:

> 'Until you manage to reverse the information flow, then the people
> will remain subjected to the sick message dished out from the top'  ,
> Noam Chomsky
>
>
>
> On 20 April 2012 13:35, Stefan Andersson  wrote:
> > hahaha!! So the whole team is gone, and replaced by games people in
> > Singapore. Do you actually believe that WE will believe that nothing will
> > change?? Excuse me but... what?
> >
> > Yeah right
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Brent McPherson
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> Ummm, all the devs are moving on to the new project and we are keeping
> the
> >> team together.
> >>
> >> All the Softies have had a hand in training the Singapore team to make
> >> sure the transition is a smooth one. They have not been scared to jump
> into
> >> such a large product so I'm excited to see what they can do. As
> Chun-Pong
> >> mentioned there are some very experienced Softimage devs in the
> consulting
> >> team in Montreal that still work on Softimage and many of their fixes
> get
> >> rolled into each release. Everyone involved with Softimage over the
> past few
> >> years is still around so the knowledge is not going anywhere.
> >> --
> >> Brent
> >>
> >> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> >> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Steven
> Caron
> >> Sent: 19 April 2012 22:41
> >> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> >> Subject: Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)
> >>
> >> stay calm, there are others still around... unless they are leaving too.
> >> sean, marc-andre, yanick, brent... those are just off the top of my
> head.
> >>
> >> dont forget all the support guys too! stephen, graham, siddarth,
> matthew..
> >> i am sure i am missing someone...
> >>
> >> s
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Rob Chapman
> >> mailto:tekano@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> incredulous, absolve the the entire known dev team ( except Brent stays
> >> yes?) into fecking Maya, plan it for over year, whilst denying
> everything
> >> and that nothing is going to happen to Softimage.  seriously?
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > STEFAN ANDERSSON // Creative Director // Mad Crew AB //
> > http://www.madcrew.se
> >
> >
>
>

RE: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Brent McPherson]

Things change. It is a simple fact of life.

Sometimes change is good and sometimes it is bad. You can believe what you want 
but some of us are optimistic and have done everything we can to try and make 
this a smooth transition.

Now excuse me while I go and refill my half-full coffee cup... ;-)
--
Brent

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Rob Chapman
Sent: 20 April 2012 13:57
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

'Until you manage to reverse the information flow, then the people will remain 
subjected to the sick message dished out from the top'  , Noam Chomsky



On 20 April 2012 13:35, Stefan Andersson  wrote:
> hahaha!! So the whole team is gone, and replaced by games people in 
> Singapore. Do you actually believe that WE will believe that nothing 
> will change?? Excuse me but... what?
>
> Yeah right
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Brent McPherson 
>  wrote:
>>
>> Ummm, all the devs are moving on to the new project and we are 
>> keeping the team together.
>>
>> All the Softies have had a hand in training the Singapore team to 
>> make sure the transition is a smooth one. They have not been scared 
>> to jump into such a large product so I'm excited to see what they can 
>> do. As Chun-Pong mentioned there are some very experienced Softimage 
>> devs in the consulting team in Montreal that still work on Softimage 
>> and many of their fixes get rolled into each release. Everyone 
>> involved with Softimage over the past few years is still around so the 
>> knowledge is not going anywhere.
>> --
>> Brent
>>
>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Steven 
>> Caron
>> Sent: 19 April 2012 22:41
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> Subject: Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)
>>
>> stay calm, there are others still around... unless they are leaving too.
>> sean, marc-andre, yanick, brent... those are just off the top of my head.
>>
>> dont forget all the support guys too! stephen, graham, siddarth, matthew..
>> i am sure i am missing someone...
>>
>> s
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Rob Chapman 
>> mailto:tekano@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> incredulous, absolve the the entire known dev team ( except Brent 
>> stays
>> yes?) into fecking Maya, plan it for over year, whilst denying 
>> everything and that nothing is going to happen to Softimage.  seriously?
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> STEFAN ANDERSSON // Creative Director // Mad Crew AB // 
> http://www.madcrew.se
>
>

<>

RE: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Williams, Wayne]

Stefan,
You predominantly use the product the majority of the Softimage dev team just 
switched over to developing for so not quite sure what you’re going on about ☺ 
I’m working in games at this point so am very, very excited to see what the 
Singapore team brings to the table. If you guys are taking requests Chun Pong 
I’d personally love to see:


1.   http://xoliulshader.com/   Something akin to the Xouli shader that is 
available to the max crowd. It’s easy to use and get great results.

2.   http://www.8monkeylabs.com/toolbag  An easy to set up lighting system 
as found in Marmoset.

3.   Better baking functionality than what ultimapper provides. i.e. Cages, 
baking FG, etc.

4.   Tighter export functionality with Cryengine/UDK/Unity. (not sure if 
this is on autodesk dev side or something the engine makers have to sort 
themselves)

5.   Fix the obj exporter. That thing is broke as hell. The file sizes it 
exports are way bigger than the same object coming from max and you can’t get 
your user normals out with your uv’s unless you do some workaround dragging 
things about in the explorer view.

6.   A more streamlined methodology for creating hair/wig alpha cards.
This is just off the top of my head. It shouldn’t have to be like jumping 
through flaming hoops while doused in gasoline when I try to view a real time 
asset in Softimage or get those things to a game engine but that’s what it 
feels like right now. Please, extinguish my pain!

As for the Soft guys and gals that are leaving, you will surely be missed. A 
heartfelt thanks for all the years of your life you dedicated towards Softimage 
and to providing us end users with the help we needed every single day of the 
week on this list. Respect.

-wayne

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Andersson
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:36 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

hahaha!! So the whole team is gone, and replaced by games people in Singapore. 
Do you actually believe that WE will believe that nothing will change?? Excuse 
me but... what?

Yeah right



On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Brent McPherson 
mailto:brent.mcpher...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
Ummm, all the devs are moving on to the new project and we are keeping the team 
together.

All the Softies have had a hand in training the Singapore team to make sure the 
transition is a smooth one. They have not been scared to jump into such a large 
product so I'm excited to see what they can do. As Chun-Pong mentioned there 
are some very experienced Softimage devs in the consulting team in Montreal 
that still work on Softimage and many of their fixes get rolled into each 
release. Everyone involved with Softimage over the past few years is still 
around so the knowledge is not going anywhere.
--
Brent

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 On Behalf Of Steven Caron
Sent: 19 April 2012 22:41
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

stay calm, there are others still around... unless they are leaving too. sean, 
marc-andre, yanick, brent... those are just off the top of my head.

dont forget all the support guys too! stephen, graham, siddarth, matthew.. i am 
sure i am missing someone...

s

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Rob Chapman 
mailto:tekano@gmail.com>>>
 wrote:
incredulous, absolve the the entire known dev team ( except Brent stays yes?) 
into fecking Maya, plan it for over year, whilst denying everything and that 
nothing is going to happen to Softimage.  seriously?



--

STEFAN ANDERSSON // Creative Director // Mad Crew AB // 
http://www.madcrew.se

Re: Python in 2012

[Martin Chatterjee]

Never had that.  I think there's an issue with Python's print() not working
inside the Script Editor when using a standalone Python install though.

Cheers, -M
--
Martin Chatterjee

[ Freelance Technical Director ]
[http://www.chatterjee.de]



On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Stefan Kubicek wrote:

> Never happened to mee either, though I've been mostly using the built-in
> Python version that ships with Softimage for some time now, which is
> version 2.6.4. I believe to remember that this was the only
> officially supported and working version, others have this or that issue.
> Any particular reason you need to use 2.7.2 over 2.6.4?
>
> Maybe ask Steven Caron, he seems to favour 2.7.2 too (PyQt for Softimage
> is compiled against it afaik)
>
>
>
>
>  Hey folks,
>>
>> I have installed 2.72 x64 as well as pywin32 for the right version.
>> Python is showing up in the script editor as an option, python plugins
>> work (such as custom commands and operators) but the code in the script
>> editor itself is not executed when using python. Is this a known issue?
>>
>> -H
>>
>>
>
> --
> --**-
> Stefan Kubicek   Co-founder
> --**-
>   keyvis digital imagery
>  Wehrgasse 9 - Grüner Hof
>   1050 Vienna  Austria
> Phone:+43/699/12614231
> --- www.keyvis.at  ste...@keyvis.at ---
> --  This email and its attachments are
> --confidential and for the recipient only--
>
>

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Rob Chapman]

'Until you manage to reverse the information flow, then the people
will remain subjected to the sick message dished out from the top'  ,
Noam Chomsky



On 20 April 2012 13:35, Stefan Andersson  wrote:
> hahaha!! So the whole team is gone, and replaced by games people in
> Singapore. Do you actually believe that WE will believe that nothing will
> change?? Excuse me but... what?
>
> Yeah right
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Brent McPherson
>  wrote:
>>
>> Ummm, all the devs are moving on to the new project and we are keeping the
>> team together.
>>
>> All the Softies have had a hand in training the Singapore team to make
>> sure the transition is a smooth one. They have not been scared to jump into
>> such a large product so I'm excited to see what they can do. As Chun-Pong
>> mentioned there are some very experienced Softimage devs in the consulting
>> team in Montreal that still work on Softimage and many of their fixes get
>> rolled into each release. Everyone involved with Softimage over the past few
>> years is still around so the knowledge is not going anywhere.
>> --
>> Brent
>>
>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Steven Caron
>> Sent: 19 April 2012 22:41
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> Subject: Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)
>>
>> stay calm, there are others still around... unless they are leaving too.
>> sean, marc-andre, yanick, brent... those are just off the top of my head.
>>
>> dont forget all the support guys too! stephen, graham, siddarth, matthew..
>> i am sure i am missing someone...
>>
>> s
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Rob Chapman
>> mailto:tekano@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> incredulous, absolve the the entire known dev team ( except Brent stays
>> yes?) into fecking Maya, plan it for over year, whilst denying everything
>> and that nothing is going to happen to Softimage.  seriously?
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> STEFAN ANDERSSON // Creative Director // Mad Crew AB //
> http://www.madcrew.se
>
>

Re: Friday Flashback

[Gustavo Eggert Boehs]

too late, lol :)

Em 20 de abril de 2012 09:28, Gerbrand Nel  escreveu:

> Well that's one way to make everyone go look at the picture before it gets
> taken down ;P
>
>
> On 2012/04/20 02:22 PM, Luc-Eric Rousseau wrote:
>
>> Please take this down, the people in it have not given you permission
>> to publish this on the internet
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Stephen Blair
>>   wrote:
>>
>>> Friday Flashback #66
>>> #Softimage XSI team pictures from 2000 and 2008
>>> http://wp.me/powV4-1My
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: 
>>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com[mailto:
>>> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
>>> Sent: April-13-12 10:43 AM
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>>> Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>>>
>>> Friday Flashback #65
>>> 1997 DreamWorks chooses Softimage for Shrek
>>> http://wp.me/powV4-1LD
>>>
>>>
>>> From: 
>>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com[mailto:
>>> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
>>> Sent: April-06-12 10:35 AM
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>>> Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>>>
>>> Friday Flashback #64
>>> Softimage show-me-the-team Easter Egg
>>> http://wp.me/powV4-1KL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: 
>>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com[mailto:
>>> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
>>> Sent: March-30-12 11:13 AM
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>>> Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>>>
>>> Friday Flashback #63
>>> Microsoft buys Softimage - the press release and some news clippings
>>> about the 14 Feb 1994 acquisition
>>> http://wp.me/powV4-1Jw
>>>
>>>
>>> From: 
>>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com[mailto:
>>> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
>>> Sent: March-23-12 10:33 AM
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>>> Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>>>
>>> Friday Flashback #62
>>> Building #Softimage
>>> http://wp.me/powV4-1Ip
>>>
>>>
>>> From: 
>>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com[mailto:
>>> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
>>> Sent: March-16-12 7:28 AM
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>>> Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>>>
>>> Friday Flashback #61
>>> 16 March 2000
>>> #Softimage invites you to the launch of the next generation of
>>> SOFTIMAGE|3D tools. Animation R3Defined .
>>>
>>> http://wp.me/powV4-1Hh
>>>
>>>
>>> From: 
>>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com[mailto:
>>> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Raffaele Fragapane
>>> Sent: March-11-12 7:57 PM
>>> To: tak...@earthlink.net; 
>>> softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com
>>> Subject: Re: Friday Flashback
>>>
>>> If I remember it right Flesh was actually used on Charlotte's Web for
>>> UVing and painting guides in because it was the only really linux friendly
>>> thing around for what we needed to do (Sony possibly had a linux build of
>>> bodypaint, but that was it).
>>>
>>> I think at the time licensing was a bit murky because it wasn't even
>>> being sold anymore. Yes, that was DNASoft, and it had been around for quite
>>> a while.
>>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 4:02 AM,>> tak...@earthlink.net>>  wrote:
>>> Wow, blast from the past.
>>>
>>> Wasn't Taarna somehow ancestral to DNAsoft?  I vaguely recall a paint
>>> software too, Taarna Flesh or something...
>>>
>>> -T
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>>
 From: Stephen 
 Blair
 >
 Sent: Mar 9, 2012 11:44 AM
 To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com
 "
 >
 Subject: RE: Friday Flashback

 #Softimage Friday Flashback #60
 A key event: Tony de Peltrie (1985)
 http://wp.me/powV4-1FY

 -Original Message-
 From: 
 softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com
 
  
 [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com
 ]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
 Sent: March-02-12 8:59 AM
 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
 
 Subject: RE: Friday Flashback

 Friday Flashback #59:
 A 1997 vision of a Sumatra-DS integration...
 http://wp.me/powV4-1F1


 -Original Message-
 From: 
 softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com
 
  
 [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com
 ]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
 Sent: February-24-12 11:19 AM
 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
 
 Subject: RE: Friday Flashback

 Friday Flashback #58
 "5 + 64 ->  3d love"
 http://wp.me/powV4-1DG

Re: Python in 2012

[Stefan Kubicek]

Never happened to mee either, though I've been mostly using the built-in Python 
version that ships with Softimage for some time now, which is version 2.6.4. I 
believe to remember that this was the only
officially supported and working version, others have this or that issue. Any 
particular reason you need to use 2.7.2 over 2.6.4?

Maybe ask Steven Caron, he seems to favour 2.7.2 too (PyQt for Softimage is 
compiled against it afaik)




Hey folks,

I have installed 2.72 x64 as well as pywin32 for the right version.
Python is showing up in the script editor as an option, python plugins
work (such as custom commands and operators) but the code in the script
editor itself is not executed when using python. Is this a known issue?

-H




--
---
Stefan Kubicek   Co-founder
---
   keyvis digital imagery
  Wehrgasse 9 - Grüner Hof
   1050 Vienna  Austria
 Phone:+43/699/12614231
--- www.keyvis.at  ste...@keyvis.at ---
--  This email and its attachments are
--confidential and for the recipient only--

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Stefan Andersson]

hahaha!! So the whole team is gone, and replaced by games people in
Singapore. Do you actually believe that WE will believe that nothing will
change?? Excuse me but... what?

Yeah right




On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Brent McPherson <
brent.mcpher...@autodesk.com> wrote:

> Ummm, all the devs are moving on to the new project and we are keeping the
> team together.
>
> All the Softies have had a hand in training the Singapore team to make
> sure the transition is a smooth one. They have not been scared to jump into
> such a large product so I'm excited to see what they can do. As Chun-Pong
> mentioned there are some very experienced Softimage devs in the consulting
> team in Montreal that still work on Softimage and many of their fixes get
> rolled into each release. Everyone involved with Softimage over the past
> few years is still around so the knowledge is not going anywhere.
> --
> Brent
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Steven Caron
> Sent: 19 April 2012 22:41
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)
>
> stay calm, there are others still around... unless they are leaving too.
> sean, marc-andre, yanick, brent... those are just off the top of my head.
>
> dont forget all the support guys too! stephen, graham, siddarth, matthew..
> i am sure i am missing someone...
>
> s
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Rob Chapman  tekano@gmail.com>> wrote:
> incredulous, absolve the the entire known dev team ( except Brent stays
> yes?) into fecking Maya, plan it for over year, whilst denying everything
> and that nothing is going to happen to Softimage.  seriously?
>
>


-- 

*STEFAN ANDERSSON* // *Creative Director* // *Mad Crew AB* //
http://www.madcrew.se

Re: Friday Flashback

[Gerbrand Nel]

Well that's one way to make everyone go look at the picture before it 
gets taken down ;P


On 2012/04/20 02:22 PM, Luc-Eric Rousseau wrote:

Please take this down, the people in it have not given you permission
to publish this on the internet

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Stephen Blair
  wrote:

Friday Flashback #66
#Softimage XSI team pictures from 2000 and 2008
http://wp.me/powV4-1My



From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: April-13-12 10:43 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Friday Flashback

Friday Flashback #65
1997 DreamWorks chooses Softimage for Shrek
http://wp.me/powV4-1LD


From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: April-06-12 10:35 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Friday Flashback

Friday Flashback #64
Softimage show-me-the-team Easter Egg
http://wp.me/powV4-1KL



From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: March-30-12 11:13 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Friday Flashback

Friday Flashback #63
Microsoft buys Softimage - the press release and some news clippings about the 
14 Feb 1994 acquisition
http://wp.me/powV4-1Jw


From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: March-23-12 10:33 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Friday Flashback

Friday Flashback #62
Building #Softimage
http://wp.me/powV4-1Ip


From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: March-16-12 7:28 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Friday Flashback

Friday Flashback #61
16 March 2000
#Softimage invites you to the launch of the next generation of SOFTIMAGE|3D 
tools. Animation R3Defined .

http://wp.me/powV4-1Hh


From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele Fragapane
Sent: March-11-12 7:57 PM
To: tak...@earthlink.net; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Friday Flashback

If I remember it right Flesh was actually used on Charlotte's Web for UVing and 
painting guides in because it was the only really linux friendly thing around 
for what we needed to do (Sony possibly had a linux build of bodypaint, but 
that was it).

I think at the time licensing was a bit murky because it wasn't even being sold 
anymore. Yes, that was DNASoft, and it had been around for quite a while.
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 4:02 
AM,mailto:tak...@earthlink.net>>  wrote:
Wow, blast from the past.

Wasn't Taarna somehow ancestral to DNAsoft?  I vaguely recall a paint software 
too, Taarna Flesh or something...

-T

-Original Message-

From: Stephen 
Blairmailto:stephen.bl...@autodesk.com>>
Sent: Mar 9, 2012 11:44 AM
To: 
"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com"mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>
Subject: RE: Friday Flashback

#Softimage Friday Flashback #60
A key event: Tony de Peltrie (1985)
http://wp.me/powV4-1FY

-Original Message-
From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
  
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: March-02-12 8:59 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Friday Flashback

Friday Flashback #59:
A 1997 vision of a Sumatra-DS integration...
http://wp.me/powV4-1F1


-Original Message-
From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
  
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: February-24-12 11:19 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Friday Flashback

Friday Flashback #58
"5 + 64 ->  3d love"
http://wp.me/powV4-1DG


-Original Message-
From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
  
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: February-17-12 6:21 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Friday Flashback

#Softimage Friday Flashback #57
SOFTIMAGE|3D custom dialogs
http://wp.me/powV4-1Cj

-Original Message-
From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
  
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: February-10-12 10:09 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com

Re: Friday Flashback

[Luc-Eric Rousseau]

Please take this down, the people in it have not given you permission
to publish this on the internet

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Stephen Blair
 wrote:
> Friday Flashback #66
> #Softimage XSI team pictures from 2000 and 2008
> http://wp.me/powV4-1My
>
>
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
> Sent: April-13-12 10:43 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>
> Friday Flashback #65
> 1997 DreamWorks chooses Softimage for Shrek
> http://wp.me/powV4-1LD
>
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
> Sent: April-06-12 10:35 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>
> Friday Flashback #64
> Softimage show-me-the-team Easter Egg
> http://wp.me/powV4-1KL
>
>
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
> Sent: March-30-12 11:13 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>
> Friday Flashback #63
> Microsoft buys Softimage - the press release and some news clippings about 
> the 14 Feb 1994 acquisition
> http://wp.me/powV4-1Jw
>
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
> Sent: March-23-12 10:33 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>
> Friday Flashback #62
> Building #Softimage
> http://wp.me/powV4-1Ip
>
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
> Sent: March-16-12 7:28 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>
> Friday Flashback #61
> 16 March 2000
> #Softimage invites you to the launch of the next generation of SOFTIMAGE|3D 
> tools. Animation R3Defined .
>
> http://wp.me/powV4-1Hh
>
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele 
> Fragapane
> Sent: March-11-12 7:57 PM
> To: tak...@earthlink.net; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: Friday Flashback
>
> If I remember it right Flesh was actually used on Charlotte's Web for UVing 
> and painting guides in because it was the only really linux friendly thing 
> around for what we needed to do (Sony possibly had a linux build of 
> bodypaint, but that was it).
>
> I think at the time licensing was a bit murky because it wasn't even being 
> sold anymore. Yes, that was DNASoft, and it had been around for quite a while.
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 4:02 AM, 
> mailto:tak...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
> Wow, blast from the past.
>
> Wasn't Taarna somehow ancestral to DNAsoft?  I vaguely recall a paint 
> software too, Taarna Flesh or something...
>
> -T
>
> -Original Message-
>>From: Stephen Blair 
>>mailto:stephen.bl...@autodesk.com>>
>>Sent: Mar 9, 2012 11:44 AM
>>To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" 
>>mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>
>>Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>>
>>#Softimage Friday Flashback #60
>>A key event: Tony de Peltrie (1985)
>>http://wp.me/powV4-1FY
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: 
>>softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>> 
>>[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
>> On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
>>Sent: March-02-12 8:59 AM
>>To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>>Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>>
>>Friday Flashback #59:
>>A 1997 vision of a Sumatra-DS integration...
>>http://wp.me/powV4-1F1
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: 
>>softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>> 
>>[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
>> On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
>>Sent: February-24-12 11:19 AM
>>To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>>Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>>
>>Friday Flashback #58
>>"5 + 64 -> 3d love"
>>http://wp.me/powV4-1DG
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: 
>>softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>> 
>>[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
>> On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
>>Sent: February-17-12 6:21 AM
>>To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>>Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>>
>>#Softimage Friday Flashback #57
>>SOFTIMAGE|3D custom dialogs
>>http://wp.me/powV4-1Cj
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: 
>>softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>> 
>>[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com

RE: Friday Flashback

[Stephen Blair]

Friday Flashback #66
#Softimage XSI team pictures from 2000 and 2008
http://wp.me/powV4-1My



From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: April-13-12 10:43 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Friday Flashback

Friday Flashback #65
1997 DreamWorks chooses Softimage for Shrek
http://wp.me/powV4-1LD


From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: April-06-12 10:35 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Friday Flashback

Friday Flashback #64
Softimage show-me-the-team Easter Egg
http://wp.me/powV4-1KL



From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: March-30-12 11:13 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Friday Flashback

Friday Flashback #63
Microsoft buys Softimage - the press release and some news clippings about the 
14 Feb 1994 acquisition
http://wp.me/powV4-1Jw


From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: March-23-12 10:33 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Friday Flashback

Friday Flashback #62
Building #Softimage
http://wp.me/powV4-1Ip


From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: March-16-12 7:28 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Friday Flashback

Friday Flashback #61
16 March 2000
#Softimage invites you to the launch of the next generation of SOFTIMAGE|3D 
tools. Animation R3Defined .

http://wp.me/powV4-1Hh


From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele Fragapane
Sent: March-11-12 7:57 PM
To: tak...@earthlink.net; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Friday Flashback

If I remember it right Flesh was actually used on Charlotte's Web for UVing and 
painting guides in because it was the only really linux friendly thing around 
for what we needed to do (Sony possibly had a linux build of bodypaint, but 
that was it).

I think at the time licensing was a bit murky because it wasn't even being sold 
anymore. Yes, that was DNASoft, and it had been around for quite a while.
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 4:02 AM, 
mailto:tak...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
Wow, blast from the past.

Wasn't Taarna somehow ancestral to DNAsoft?  I vaguely recall a paint software 
too, Taarna Flesh or something...

-T

-Original Message-
>From: Stephen Blair 
>mailto:stephen.bl...@autodesk.com>>
>Sent: Mar 9, 2012 11:44 AM
>To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" 
>mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>
>Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>
>#Softimage Friday Flashback #60
>A key event: Tony de Peltrie (1985)
>http://wp.me/powV4-1FY
>
>-Original Message-
>From: 
>softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> 
>[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
> On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
>Sent: March-02-12 8:59 AM
>To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>
>Friday Flashback #59:
>A 1997 vision of a Sumatra-DS integration...
>http://wp.me/powV4-1F1
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: 
>softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> 
>[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
> On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
>Sent: February-24-12 11:19 AM
>To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>
>Friday Flashback #58
>"5 + 64 -> 3d love"
>http://wp.me/powV4-1DG
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: 
>softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> 
>[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
> On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
>Sent: February-17-12 6:21 AM
>To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>
>#Softimage Friday Flashback #57
>SOFTIMAGE|3D custom dialogs
>http://wp.me/powV4-1Cj
>
>-Original Message-
>From: 
>softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> 
>[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
> On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
>Sent: February-10-12 10:09 AM
>To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>Subject: RE: Friday Flashback
>
>Friday Flashback #56
>Moondust, a visual-programming approach to building FX
>Particle graph mock up from 2006
>http://wp.me/powV4-1BM
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: 
>softimage-boun..

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Steffen Dünner]

Interestingly Chinny didn't say that he works on Maya now but instead "on
something new".

Cheers
Steffen

P.S.: It's just my wish that so much Softimage talent and passion doesn't
get sucked up completely by the evil Mayans! ;)
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RE: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Brent McPherson]

Ummm, all the devs are moving on to the new project and we are keeping the team 
together.

All the Softies have had a hand in training the Singapore team to make sure the 
transition is a smooth one. They have not been scared to jump into such a large 
product so I'm excited to see what they can do. As Chun-Pong mentioned there 
are some very experienced Softimage devs in the consulting team in Montreal 
that still work on Softimage and many of their fixes get rolled into each 
release. Everyone involved with Softimage over the past few years is still 
around so the knowledge is not going anywhere.
--
Brent

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Steven Caron
Sent: 19 April 2012 22:41
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

stay calm, there are others still around... unless they are leaving too. sean, 
marc-andre, yanick, brent... those are just off the top of my head.

dont forget all the support guys too! stephen, graham, siddarth, matthew.. i am 
sure i am missing someone...

s

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Rob Chapman 
mailto:tekano@gmail.com>> wrote:
incredulous, absolve the the entire known dev team ( except Brent stays yes?) 
into fecking Maya, plan it for over year, whilst denying everything and that 
nothing is going to happen to Softimage.  seriously?

<>

RE: Python in 2012

[Stephen Blair]

What about the Python that ships with Softimage? Does it work?

I did use 2.7 for awhile, but that was months ago.

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Blair 
Sent: April-20-12 7:09 AM
To: 'softimage@listproc.autodesk.com'
Subject: RE: Python in 2012

No, not to me.

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Helge Mathee
Sent: April-20-12 7:53 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Python in 2012

Hey folks,

I have installed 2.72 x64 as well as pywin32 for the right version. 
Python is showing up in the script editor as an option, python plugins 
work (such as custom commands and operators) but the code in the script 
editor itself is not executed when using python. Is this a known issue?

-H
<>

RE: Python in 2012

[Stephen Blair]

No, not to me.

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Helge Mathee
Sent: April-20-12 7:53 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Python in 2012

Hey folks,

I have installed 2.72 x64 as well as pywin32 for the right version. 
Python is showing up in the script editor as an option, python plugins 
work (such as custom commands and operators) but the code in the script 
editor itself is not executed when using python. Is this a known issue?

-H
<>

Python in 2012

[Helge Mathee]

Hey folks,

I have installed 2.72 x64 as well as pywin32 for the right version. 
Python is showing up in the script editor as an option, python plugins 
work (such as custom commands and operators) but the code in the script 
editor itself is not executed when using python. Is this a known issue?


-H

Re: Intro to the new team (was RE: Softimage development)

[Paul Griswold]

So this means an equal number of people were taken off Maya and moved
somewhere else, right?  It's a big game of musical chairs!

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

Paul

On Apr 20, 2012, at 2:23 AM, Juhani Karlsson 
wrote:

Nah, fresh blood is good.
Anyone who has worked on a same project for 10 years knows that its gets to
you. Changing to Maya team is then again not that different, but who cares.
: )
I believe the new guys can deliver, maybe even better. Game development is
not easy you know ; )


2012/4/20 Stefan Andersson 

> Then leave to go to work for sidefx ;)
>
>
>
> On Apr 20, 2012, at 8:05, Raffaele Fragapane 
> wrote:
>
> Open up houdini half way through and shout at them "see? DO YOU ING
> SEE WHAT I MEAN?!".
> Please.
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 3:24 PM, guillaume laforge <
> guillaume.laforge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Time to go to bed Luc-Eric, we've got a Maya meeting tomorrow!
>>
>> Guillaume Laforge
>>
>> Sorry, could not resist ;)
>>
>> Sent from my phone
>>
>> On 2012-04-19, at 21:53, Luc-Eric Rousseau  wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Kiril Aronofski 
>> wrote:
>> >> Am I wrong in thinking that those who moved over to maya FX project are
>> >> people largely responsible for ICE work in Softimage? Seeing how most
>> of the
>> >> new guys come with a strong game software engineering background,
>> >
>> > We've trained new people in ICE, they've been co-developing the ICE
>> > features with us for two releases now.
>> > ICE development will continue.  Chun Pong did not list the full staff
>> > on the product
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it
> and let them flee like the dogs they are!
>
>

Re: What are the specific API limitations on the background render thread?

[Stephan Woermann]

Maybe you can put the command in the abort callback.
But then you must use a switch because the abort is called several times.
Have used this after a forced preview close to open a custom renderviewport.

Sephan