Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.7 released!

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Bret Busby wrote:

I have not been able to download and install the en-gb dictionary -
whilst I have selected to download the dictionary, and it appears to
happen, the installation appears to not implement. It does not show as
an available language in the spellchecker.

That applies to both this latest version, and, previous versions.


If that's Marco Pinto's British English dictionary, you need to use 
version 2.68 from 
. 
 Newer versions are WebExtensions and, although they appear to install, 
they don't work in SeaMonkey 2.53.


If you've installed a newer version, it might appear in the "Extensions" 
rather than "Dictionaries" section of Add-ons Manager, and you'll 
probably need to remove it from there before installing the older 2.68.


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Re: Google.com difference with SeaMonkey compared to Firefox

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mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:


I think I recall seeing something relatively recently about one of the 
newer versions of SeaMonkey changing the default UA string - or maybe 
I imagined that!  (An extra Firefox-only option was added in the 
preferences dialog, so perhaps that's what I'm thinking of?)


no...@nonospam.org wrote:

Where is the setting for this Firefox-only option in the
preferences dialog?


Edit > Preferences > Advanced > HTTP Networking > User Agent String
There are 3 options:
* Identify as Firefox
* Identify as SeaMonkey
* Identify as SeaMonkey and advertise Firefox compatibility

The "Identify as Firefox" option was added relatively recently, I think 
in SeaMonkey 2.53.  Before that there was just a single checkbox for 
"Advertise Firefox compatibility" to switch between what are now the 2nd 
and 3rd options.


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Re: Google.com difference with SeaMonkey compared to Firefox

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NFN Smith wrote:

no...@nonospam.org wrote:
For the last couple of months, the appearance of the main Google 
website on SeaMonkey has been different from what it has been for 
years. Search results are presented in individual boxes, and the 
website just looks strange.


I think I recall seeing something relatively recently about one of the 
newer versions of SeaMonkey changing the default UA string - or maybe I 
imagined that!  (An extra Firefox-only option was added in the 
preferences dialog, so perhaps that's what I'm thinking of?)  Anyway, if 
the default UA string did change, that might have changed how Google 
appears - as you've found, they return a different layout depending on 
the UA string used.


It could also be that Google changed something on their site recently. 
That could happen at any time, and is completely outside of SeaMonkey's 
(or any other browser's) control.  I don't often use Google at home, so 
wouldn't have noticed when it changed.


I haven't seen any changes recently, but I rarely go to google.com, and 
I also normally leave the scripting for google.com inactive (via 
NoScript) unless I encounter something that requires it (most often, 
other sites that offer search and use Google's searching).


That said, I've found that at www.google.com, if using a standard 
Seamonkey User Agent display, the search bar's display is a little odd, 
where cursor and text is displayed about half a line offset above where 
it should be.  I found that that goes away if I show a stock Firefox UA 
string (rather than Seamonkey's UA of Firefox with Seamonkey's ID tagged 
at the end).


Previously, I'd also found the display better using a SeaMonkey-only UA 
(with no mention of Firefox) - similar look to the SeaMonkey+Firefox UA 
but without the broken alignment of the boxes etc.  Trying just now, 
though, it's not as bad as it used to be with a SeaMonkey+Firefox UA 
either.  I don't know whether that's down to changes in Google's coding 
or the newer version of SeaMonkey.


A Firefox-only UA gives a completely different layout, similar to what 
you get from Firefox itself.


Even though I'm a fan of changing UA with PrefBar, I've found that this 
is one site (among several) where I'd rather not have to remember to 
change the UA when I visit, then remember to change back when I'm done, 
because UA spoofing also changes the User-Agent header in mail.  (I 
notice that your message shows Firefox 86, rather than Seamonkey). Thus, 
for this one, I prefer to do permanent site-specific spoofing, and in 
about:config, I have a line in prefs.js that sets 
general.useragent.override.google.com to show:


    Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/78.0


This is another example of a website which works differently with 
SeaMonkey than it does with Firefox. Changing the user agent string is 
a workaround, but why should this be required?


It's something specific to Google, and why they do it isn't obvious.


Indeed - it's Google serving a different layout depending what UA is 
presented.  It may be that they send more feature-rich content using 
newer features to browsers they specifically recognise as being capable 
of handling it, and a default less-capable version to unrecognised 
browsers since they don't know whether they can handle the newer 
features.  Anyone wanting to know for sure would need to ask them.


Whatever the reason for them doing it, I don't think there's anything 
SeaMonkey can do about it, other than sending a UA string claiming to be 
Firefox.


I've heard indications of issues at YouTube that require similar 
spoofing.  I haven't seen that myself, but I don't do a lot at YouTube.


Although my observation is that a Firefox UA string that includes 
additional text (which is normal for browsers that are derived from 
Firefox but not actually Firefox, such as Seamonkey, PaleMoon and 
Waterfox) seems to confuse Google, I haven't actually tested either 
PaleMoon or Waterfox.


Yeah, with Google it does seem to be the combination of Firefox and 
SeaMonkey that sometimes causes them problems.  Either on its own seems 
to be fine (though different layouts).  My guess is that, with both in 
the UA, they end up detecting Firefox in some places and sending the 
Firefox version of some parts of the content/stylesheets/scripting and 
the SeaMonkey version of other parts, and the mix of the two doesn't 
work right.


In the grand scheme of things, I think it's one of those places where 
the number of people running Firefox browsers is small enough (the 
function equivalent of a rounding error), that Google doesn't really 
care, one way or another.  They'll do the necessary work to make Firefox 
behave correctly, and if it's not Firefox, not worth the effort.


...and if anyone complains, tell them to use Chrome ;o)

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Re: An important site that doesn't work with SeaMonkey

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meagain wrote:

This site will tell you about your browser:
https://www.whatismybrowser.com/

It tells me >  Firefox 60 on Windows 10

✗ Your web browser is out of date
Out of date web browsers can have security problems and may cause 
websites to not work properly.

You have version 60, why not upgrade to 86?


That's because you have SeaMonkey set to only include Firefox in the 
user-agent string, and since current SeaMonkey is most closely 
compatible with Firefox 60 it indicates that version (otherwise sites 
checking the version would assume newer features are supported and try 
using them).  If you set Edit > Preferences > Advanced > HTTP Networking 
> User Agent String to either "Identify as SeaMonkey" or "Identify as 
SeaMonkey and advertise Firefox compatibility", that site will correctly 
identify your browser as SeaMonkey, and show the correct version of 
SeaMonkey.


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Re: Lightning/Calendar in SM 2.53.6

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Daniel wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 4/2/21 10:05 pm:

Daniel wrote:
Today I (finally) updated from SM 2.49.1 to SM 2.53.6 on Linux, as 
shown in my sig file.


On my Win7 installation (updated from SM 2.49.5), after the update, I 
had Lightning starting at SM bootup, but not in Linux which I have 
updated, today, from SM 2.49.1  yes 2.49.1.


Now I seem to recall that in SM 2.49.1, Lightning wasn't "inbuilt" 
but by 2.49.5, it was.


So, when I updated my *Win7* SM from 2.49.5, Lightning worked/works, 
but in Linux (now 2.53.6), checking the Add-ons Manager, Lightning is 
there but I only have the option to "Remove" because "Lightning is 
incompatible with SeaMonkey 2.53.6"


How can I get my Lightning up and running??

(Note: when I say I've updated SM, I mean I have installed Linux SM 
2.53.6 in parallel (new location) with SM 2.49.1, but using the same 
profile!)


 From https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/ 
section "Known Issues":
Lightning or one of the distributed extensions is not showing up or 
is disabled under Add-ons.
If the extension is disabled and can not be enabled deinstall it. If 
it does not show up after restart do the following:


    Enter "about:config" in the location bar.
    Enter "extensions.installedDistroAddon" in the search field.
    Reset the key of the extension not showing up using the popup 
menu with the mouse. If in doubt just reset all keys, but this might 
bring back previously uninstalled distributed Add-ons.

    Restart SeaMonkey.


Thanks for this, Don.

When I entered "extensions.installedDistroAddon" in the search field, I 
had four keys listed 


extensions.installeddistroaddon.debu...@mozilla.org;modified;true;boolean
extensions.installeddistroaddon.inspec...@mozilla.org;modified;true;boolean
extensions.installedDistroAddon.{59c81df5-4b7a-477b-912d-4e0fdf64e5f2};modified;true;true 

extensions.installedDistroAddon.{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103};modified;true;true 



So I reset the third and fourth keys and, when I restarted SeaMonkey, I 
had just the first two keys left  and still no Lightning/Calendar!! ;-(


Should I try resetting the first two (even though they appear to be 
totally disconnected with Lightning/Calendar)??


Did you first uninstall any version of Lightning currently installed in 
your profile?  It might show up as disabled in the Add-ons manager, but 
still needs to be uninstalled so that the new bundled version can be 
installed.  I think once the bundled version has been installed by one 
version of SeaMonkey, it gets automatically updated in future, but not 
sure if that happens if you already have a version installed from before 
SeaMonkey started bundling it.  So uninstall any existing version of 
Lightning, then reset the pref (it looks like 
{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103} is the one for Lightning), 
restart SeaMonkey and hopefully it will install automatically.


If that's still not working, the XPI file for the extension is installed 
along with SeaMonkey, so you might be able to install it into your 
profile from there.  From the add-ons manager, click the cog near the 
top-right corner, choose "Install Add-on From File" and select the XPI 
file.  On my Linux system, it's at 
/opt/seamonkey/distribution/extensions/e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}.xpi, 
so I'd guess on Windows the path would be something like "C:\Program 
Files\SeaMonkey\..." or perhaps "C:\Program Files\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\...".


Lightning is quite closely tied to SeaMonkey, so you need compatible 
versions.  Aside from the other problems with sharing a single profile 
between multiple SeaMonkey versions, you may find that Lightning only 
works in one version, since you can only have one version of Lightning 
installed in that profile.  I think Lightning is also one of a few 
OS-specific extensions, so you might also find that it only works in 
whichever OS you installed Lightning for even if the versions are 
otherwise identical (I'm almost certain that at least used to be the 
case - not entirely sure whether it still is).


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Re: How set default text encoding display in Seamonkey Mail ?

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no one wrote:

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 12:09:55 PM UTC, no one wrote:

After rereading this thread I started from the beginning and noticed on my 
system the only way to get the unicode setting to remain as default
in the composer window is to actually select "default for locale"
unicode is not available as an option in the edit/preferences/mailandnews/textencoding 
and FWIR the original setting was "other(incl western european)"
though i had tried various other options after first coming across this a few 
years ago.
ofc if this rears it's ugly head again i shall make more effort to discover the 
source and report back.


yeah the problem is still there, stemming from incoming unicode emails being detected by 
seamonkey as "western"


Be aware that the start of this thread is nearly 2 years old - some 
details might have changed a bit in that time.


The setting you describe only applies for emails which don't indicate 
the encoding in the message headers.  Most will include that information 
these days.  See my previous reply on 22nd December 2020 for a possible 
workaround and reference to a bug report which may be related to what 
you're seeing (if the workaround doesn't work, you may have a different 
issue, e.g. if the sender's software might have included the wrong 
encoding in the message headers).


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Re: Ctrl-D window size

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Ray Davison wrote:
It appears the function of Ctrl-D has not changed.  The heading has 
changed from "New Bookmark", to "Edit this bookmark".  Which is really 
Edit this Bookmark title.  It used to show the actual link which it 
called Location, but not in the current version.  And, what used to be 
"Save" is now "Done".  Changing New to Edit and Save to Done has made 
those functions labels less intuitive.


I suspect the reasons for the changes to wording are that:
* If you have already bookmarked the page, the same shortcut and dialog 
edits the existing bookmark - so it's not just used for adding new bookmarks
* Changes are applied as soon as you make them - you don't have to click 
that button, and labelling it "Save" would imply that the changes aren't 
saved unless you click it


I don't know whether those aspects of the behaviour have changed, and 
the text changed accordingly, or whether it's always been that way and 
the text just updated to more accurately reflect what it does.


It does, however, make the "Cancel" button somewhat pointless and 
misleading, when any changes are already applied anyway, and remain 
after clicking "Cancel"...


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Re: Composer, edit html access lost with newest download.

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Julia Bolton Holloway wrote:

Please restore this feature.


Composer is still there in the latest version, 2.53.5.1 - Window > 
Composer or, while viewing a page in the browser, File > Edit Page.  I 
don't use it much myself, but gather it doesn't get much attention these 
days, so probably doesn't support the latest HTML/CSS/JavaScript 
features.  The small team of developers are stretched enough maintaining 
the core browser and mail/new parts and keeping up with upstream 
Firefox/Thunderbird changes.


I've previously seen BlueGriffon  mentioned 
here as a similar more up-to-date alternative.  I don't use that myself 
either so can't make a personal recommendation, and there are other 
similar applications around.  Others on this list might have other 
suggestions based on personal experience.  For the small bits of web 
coding I do, I tend to just use a text editor and code it by hand.



Also can no longer search, etc.


Search where?  I have no problem searching in web pages, emails, address 
books, bookmarks manager, composer and various other places.


A couple of things to try:

* Start SeaMonkey in "safe mode" - Help > Restart with Add-ons Disabled. 
 That temporarily disables any extensions and also temporarily resets a 
few other things.  If search works then, it's probably an extension 
interfering with it so, after restarting SeaMonkey normally use Tools > 
Add-ons Manager to disable all extensions and try re-enabling them a few 
at a time (restarting SeaMonkey each time) to narrow down which one is 
causing the problem.


* If search still doesn't work in "safe mode", try a new profile.  Tools 
> Switch Profile > Manage Profiles can be used to create a new profile 
and activate it.  Use the same menu to switch back to your usual 
profile.  If search works in a new profile but not your usual one, 
there's something in your usual profile causing the problem.


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Re: Problem with Twitter in SeaMonkey

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Jonathan Wilson wrote:
When I visit Twitter with SeaMonkey (latest version on Windows) I get 
"Something went wrong." with a "try again" button that does nothing.

It works fine on other browsers on the same machine.

I have tried deleting all the Twitter related cookies and logging in 
again fresh and that didn't work.


Anyone else seen this or got any suggestions?


For me, with SeaMonkey 2.53.5.1 on Linux set to show the user agent as 
just SeaMonkey (no Firefox compatibility), https://twitter.com/ shows 
"This browser is no longer supported".  If I select "Identify as 
SeaMonkey and advertise Firefox compatibility" (which appears to be what 
you have), and enable JavaScript for Twitter's domains, it seems to work 
as expected - at least for the home page and a couple of feeds I looked 
at as a quick check.


From your user-agent header it looks like you're on SeaMonkey 2.53.5, 
so maybe an update to 2.53.5.1 might help.


I don't have an account on Twitter and don't even view it much, so there 
may be other parts which don't work, but their home page looks OK to me.


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Re: Browser: Save and Close

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Ray Davison wrote:
Here is what I get from the X in the upper right corner, which has 
always been the standard way to close any Windows "window".


https://photos.app.goo.gl/wjp9mZg16fW7iw5r8


I've just seen the preference you mentioned in another part of the 
thread (Edit > Preferences > Browser > Tabbed Browsing > Warn me when 
closing a window with multiple tabs).  With that set, I do get a similar 
dialog on closing the last window with multiple tabs.  So it hasn't been 
removed in 2.53, just that I've got that preference set differently.


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Re: Browser: Save and Close

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Ray Davison wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:


Another possibility is that you mentioned in another thread ("32 bit 
vs 64 bit SeaMonkey") that you run multiple SeaMonkey versions using 
the same profile.  This is the kind of strange issue which could 
conceivably be caused by doing that, if the format in which sessions 
are saved changes between versions. 


My point on that thread was, that there was a time when I could do that 
with impunity because things were not changed "quietly" that caused an 
issue.


Apologies, I must have misinterpreted your comments there.  I thought 
you were suggesting that it's still possible and that you do so.  Yes, 
it definitely did used to be much safer to switch back to older versions 
than it is now.


Here is what I get from the X in the upper right corner, which has 
always been the standard way to close any Windows "window".


https://photos.app.goo.gl/wjp9mZg16fW7iw5r8


Ah yes, that is what I vaguely recall seeing in the past.  I might have 
selected "Do not ask next time" at some point, or it might be that 2.53 
now always saves the session so doesn't give the option anyway.  In any 
case, the behaviour to save the session and restore it next time works 
as expected for me on 2.53.5.1.


I'd still say it's worth checking that the preference is set to restore 
the previous session on startup (if you want that to happen 
automatically).  If it still doesn't work, or if even selecting Go > 
Restore Previous Session won't restore the session, try with a clean 
profile.  That'll at least confirm that it *can* work on your version, 
before spending a load of time trying to find something wrong with your 
profile.  If it works in a new profile but not your usual one, the first 
thing I'd try is disabling all extensions and see if it starts working 
then.  Safe mode / Help > Restart with Add-ons Disabled might disable 
session restore anyway (I'm not certain), so that might not be much use 
in this case, but you could perhaps temporarily disable all extensions 
via the add-ons manager to see if that helps.


From your user-agent header it looks like you're still on 2.49.5. 
Upgrading to 2.53 might also help with this, but I know there are issues 
with support for some extensions that people use.  Definitely back up 
your profile before upgrading, and check that any extensions etc. that 
you need still work before doing too much.  If you need to roll back to 
your current version, you'd also need to restore the profile from backup 
- and lose any changes you've made since the backup (e.g. bookmarks 
added, and any emails which aren't still stored on the server unless you 
merge the newer email folders into the restored profile or store them 
separately).


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Re: downloaded 2.49.5 for XP

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Mike wrote:

Using WinXP on one of my many rigs and read that one of the best browsers left was 2.49.3 
- but after I used the posted link to the download saw some stuff I didn't quite 
understand and looked for any "newer" versions that worked on WinXP and that 
led me to the 2.49.5 page.


Be aware that Windows XP is end-of-life and no longer receiving updates 
from Microsoft.  There are known security vulnerabilities which will 
never be fixed, nor will any others discovered in future, so it is 
unwise to connect such a system to the Internet or open untrusted 
content on it (including web pages and emails, particularly downloaded 
files and attachments).


The same applies to SeaMonkey 2.49.5.  There are known vulnerabilities 
which have been fixed in 2.53 but will never be fixed in the 2.49 series 
which is end-of-life.


Most of the popular antivirus products have also dropped support for 
Windows XP, so it'll be difficult if not impossible to find one which 
runs on XP and still receives updates to detect the latest threats.


Even if you don't care about your system becoming infested with viruses 
and ransomware, and the consequent loss or theft of your data, please 
consider the impact on everyone else using the Internet.  Amongst other 
illegal activities, infected systems are often used for sending the huge 
quantities of spam we all loath, so by connecting such an outdated 
system to the Internet you would be contributing to that problem.


Having said all that, there may be legitimate reasons for running a 
browser on an isolated system which is not connected to the Internet, so...



Did the install but weird stuff is showing but since I can't read it I can only 
guess to what functions they mean - but otherwise it's seems to work. How do I 
get rid of the computer-like language fonts used so it reads english completely?

Attached is a jpeg of what I am seeing.
Tried looking for info on your site, struck out. Will try googling also.


As others have mentioned, this list removes attachments, and I'm not 
sure what "computer-like language fonts" are.  A couple of thoughts...


1. Make sure you've downloaded the English version (or whatever your 
preferred language is), and not just the first one listed on the 
downloads page (Chinese).


2. There may be an incompatible extension scrambling the fonts, so try 
starting in "safe mode" which disables add-ons.  There are a few ways to 
do that:
* The easiest is usually Help > Restart with Add-ons Disabled, but 
I'm guessing that may be difficult in your case.
* As I recall, I think the Windows version adds a shortcut to the 
Start menu titled something like "SeaMonkey (safe mode)" which does the 
same thing.
* Otherwise you can start SeaMonkey from the command line, passing 
an option to start in safe mode.  So open a command prompt and run 
something like:

"C:\Program Files\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\bin\seamonkey.exe" --safe-mode
(including the quotes); I might not have got the exact path to 
seamonkey.exe quite correct, so adjust to wherever SeaMonkey is installed.


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Re: Browser: Save and Close

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Ray Davison wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:


Your original post didn't mention that you had multiple tabs open.

As far as I know save only works when there is more than one tab open, 
so I didn't see any reason to mention it.


Apparently no one has anything to offer on the subject?  And it is 
probably not a good feature to depend on anyway.  So for a while I will 
just leave a couple blank pages open and see if I can detect a correlation.


I posted a few thoughts just over an hour after your original post.  I 
don't receive my own emails back via the list, but I can see that post 
in the archive so assumed it had got through.


I don't use that feature much myself, so wasn't entirely certain about 
how it worked, but have tried a few things out and it is pretty much as 
I thought.  I'm using 2.53.5.1, but recall the same behaviour in 2.49 
and earlier versions.


If I exit via File > Close or the "x" in the corner of the window, only 
the last window left open is restored with the session, since that was 
the only window left open when SeaMonkey finally exited.  If I exit via 
File > Quit, all currently open windows are restored with the session. 
Either works even if there is only one tab open in the session at the 
point it's saved.


Preferences can be set to determine whether or not the session is 
automatically restored on started.  Go to Edit > Preferences > Browser. 
Select "Browser Startup" alongside "Display on".  Selecting the "Restore 
Previous Session" option means the previous session is always restored 
on startup.  With other options selected, the session is not 
automatically restored but you can still do it manually via Go > Restore 
Previous Session (which is what I usually do on the occasions when I 
want to get the previous session back).


No matter how I exit, I don't get a prompt asking whether I want to 
"Save and Close".  That might be a difference between versions though, 
as I do have vague recollections of seeing it before.  Or it might be 
provided by some extension you've installed, in which case it would be 
worth trying with that extension disabled as it might be interfering 
with SeaMonkey's built-in ability to do this.


Another possibility is that you mentioned in another thread ("32 bit vs 
64 bit SeaMonkey") that you run multiple SeaMonkey versions using the 
same profile.  This is the kind of strange issue which could conceivably 
be caused by doing that, if the format in which sessions are saved 
changes between versions.  Try with a fresh profile, which has never 
been used with an older version after use with a newer version.


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Re: Browser: Save and Close

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Ray Davison wrote:

Browser: Save and Close

Sometimes it saves and sometimes not.  I have yet to determine a 
pattern/correlation.  Does not seem to be version specific.


What are you trying to "save and close"?  I don't see any menu option 
with that title in 2.53.5.1.  If that's an exact menu title in your 
version, maybe it's changed since 2.49.5 (I don't recall), or maybe it's 
added by some extension?


On the "File" menu, there are options to save the current page, close 
tabs or whole windows or quit SeaMonkey.  If you use the "Quit" option 
is closes all open windows, and when you next start the browser you can 
use Go > Restore Previous Session to restore the pages which were open 
when you quit.  You can have it automatically restore the previous 
session on startup by selecting that option at Edit > Preferences > 
Browser.  Is that what you're looking for?


I think if you exit by individually closing each window, the session 
ends with no windows open - so that's what you get when you restore the 
session (or maybe just the last one to be closed).  You need to "Quit" 
instead to have multiple windows restored next time.


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Re: SeaMonkey doesn't always stop !

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DoctorBill wrote:

Every once in a while, when I Exit SeaMonkey, I can't get back into it
and I get a Message Onscreen that it is ALREADY running and I need to
Exit it..(?)

So I click the "Exit" button presented to me and THEN it starts up again !
This makes no sense to mebut then again most of the World now doesn't
make sense anymore.

What is that all about ?


After the visible window disappears, SeaMonkey runs in the background 
for a bit longer to save everything to your profile.  Trying to start 
SeaMonkey again during that time will indicate that it's already 
running.  Sometimes it's necessary to wait a short time for the previous 
session to close down.  As others have mentioned, having SeaMonkey 
delete private data on shutdown could make that process take a bit longer.


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Re: 32 bit vs 64 bit SeaMonkey

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Ray Davison wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:


As Mark suggested,
- uninstall the 32-bit version (this is essential)
- install the 64-bit version
If you need to go back then you will have to uninstall the 64-bit and 
reinstall the 32-bit versions.


You can have as many versions of SM available on the HDD as you have 
space for.  I currently have ten.  


You *can* do that, provided you just unpack them from zip distributions 
and don't install using the .exe installer.  On Windows, the installer 
registers some components with the system (mainly MAPI I think), and 
having more than one registered at the same time can cause problems.


And, you can run them all from the 
same profile or each from it's own.


The only caveat is, some versions alter the profile so that it does not 
have the same information as the previous and so the previous version 
might not work as expected with a later profile.


Well, it might work given certain caveats, but switching back and forth 
between versions with a single profile is asking for trouble.  There are 
some well-known changes made by newer versions which aren't backwards 
compatible.  There are several more changes which are less well-known 
and less significant or noticeable, but which can cause problems for 
certain use-cases.


Most of the advice in the release notes is there for good reason.  I 
have been known to deliberately go against it, on a separate test system 
so as not to break my day-to-day installation and profile, mainly out of 
curiosity as to what issues are avoided by non-intuitive 
recommendations.  e.g. the advice to remove the master password before 
upgrading between certain versions seems strange, and the upgrade does 
*seem* to work if you don't do that - but only under some conditions and 
there are cases where ignoring that advice can lose all your saved 
passwords - so if you don't want to risk losing them, it's best to 
follow the advice.


If you want to ignore the advice offered in the release notes and here 
(including by those involved in the development, which I'm not) that's 
up to you.  But if you run into strange issues you could be on your own 
when it comes to fixing them.  Those who need to ask about which 
versions can be used on their system and how to switch from one to the 
other should certainly be directed to the supported way, rather than 
unsupported suggestions which seem to work for some people.


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Re: 32 bit vs 64 bit SeaMonkey

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John wrote:
When I go to https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ the "download now" 
always points to the Windows x86 version, in spite of the fact that I am 
running the 64 bit version of Windows 10 Pro.


Is it doing this because it recognizes my currently installed version is 
x86, or is there some other reason? In short, I'm wondering if there is 
any reason why I shouldn't be using the x64 version and what 
complications I might encounter with my existing profile if I try to 
make the switch.


It's probably choosing to offer the x86 version based on the user-agent 
string provided by your browser, which indicates that your current 
browser is an x68 version.


If you have 4GB RAM or less, you're probably better of sticking to the 
x86 (32 bit) version, since there'll be little benefit to using the 64 
bit version.  If you have more than 4GB RAM, an x64 (64 bit) SeaMonkey 
will be able to make use of the additional RAM available.


It's worth reading through the release notes:


As noted there under "System Requirements, Installation and 
Uninstallation", when switching from a 32 bit version to a 64 bit 
version, you need to uninstall your current 32 bit version before 
installing the 64 bit version.  Your profile should not be affected by 
doing that, but it's always a good idea to back it up anyway before 
installing a different version just in case anything goes wrong.


From your user-agent it looks like you're already running 2.53.5.1, 
just the 32 bit rather than 64 bit version, so there shouldn't be any 
issues with profile compatibility.  However, if you are upgrading other 
installations from older versions, do check the related warnings in the 
release notes.  Particularly if upgrading from 2.49.5 or earlier, if you 
have set a "master password" you need to remove it before upgrading (you 
can set it again after the upgrade).  There are also a few issues with 
language packs from certain earlier versions.


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Re: How set default text encoding display in Seamonkey Mail ?

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no one wrote:



this "solution" doesn't make much sense? "1- Enter about:config"
where/what do you mean by this, enter the file? a hidded menu? maybe
a console somewhere..


Dave, if you enter "about:config" (without the double quotes) in the
addressbar and accept the warning, you get to see all sorts of
Preferences, which you can alter (remembering the Warning which you
previously accepted) to change how SeaMonkey appears.

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Silly me, expecting the configuration to be available via seamonkey mail,  I 
mean who wouldn't expect it to be located in the browser ;)
not directed at you Daniel, just pointing out the logic i followed.


It's all part of the same application.  SeaMonkey directly descends from 
the combined Mozilla Suite, which predates the separation of Firefox and 
Thunderbird into separate applications, so there was no expectation to 
have a different set of advanced options for each.  about:config has 
always served both (and the other components of the suite).  It's not 
immediately obvious though if you don't already know how to access it.


I think Thunderbird still has an equivalent to about:config, but with no 
integrated browser I'm not sure offhand how it's accessed there...



Managed to achieve this but still cannot get SMmail to deal with the issue properly, i 
compose and send a mail formatted as unicode and in my "sent" mail box it tries 
to display it in some other format resulting in strange characters  like
"Hi
    I have spent a few hours researching your issues with"

so imagine most other clients will do the same if SM cannot correctly detect 
it's own formatting..


If you're reading in the "message pane", rather than opening each 
message in a separate window, try hiding the message pane and showing it 
again (press F8 twice, or View > Layout > Message Pane on the menu).  It 
seems the message pane sometimes doesn't load messages with the right 
encoding, but hiding and showing it again reloads it correctly.  See bug 
.


There's an added complication with getting Unicode set as the default 
encoding for sending messages, since it's not an option at Edit > 
Preferences > Mail and Newsgroups > Text Encoding > Default Text 
Encoding.  However, it can be selected either by choosing "Default for 
Current Locale" (if Unicode is the default for your current locale) or 
by setting mailnews.send_default_charset to "UTF-8" in about:config 
(that's the underlying preference controlled by the "Default Text 
Encoding" option, and although UTF-8 isn't an option in the dialog, it 
does still work).  That only affects the encoding used for composing 
messages though - nothing to do with displaying messages.  Sounds like 
you've already got this one sorted though if you're sending as Unicode.


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Re: Chatzilla not functioning! SM 2.53.5.1

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Daniel wrote:

Nuno Silva wrote on 17/12/20 22:39:

On 2020-12-16, Daniel wrote:


I recently update my Windows 7 SM 2.49.5 (which I had set up to start
Mail & Chatzilla) to 2.53.5.1 but, when I boot up, Chatzilla is not
starting and is giving the error message 

Quote
XML Parsing Error: undefined entity
Location: chrome://chatzilla/content/chatzilla.xul
Line Number 84, Column 7:
   
--^
End Quote.

Does anyone know how to fix this??

(I haven't installed the update on my Linux, yet. That adventure is
yet to be had!! ;-) )


Do you have any SeaMonkey language pack installed? If so, check whether
all language packs are up to date.


No!! Stock standard installation!


Does it work if you restart SeaMonkey in "safe mode"?  Help > Restart 
with Add-ons Disabled.  Despite the title of the menu option, I think 
that does a bit more than disabling add-ons, so might help even if you 
don't have any add-ons installed.


Failing that, what about if you create a new profile?  Tools > Switch 
Profile > Manage Profiles.  You can switch back to the default profile 
through the same menu.


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Re: Updates: General

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Edmund Wong wrote:

Hi All,

I hope all is well with everyone.

I've been spending a lot of time working on the update system.  When I
started this project some time ago,  I had just wanted to use the
old system and update (pun not intended)it.  Gave up that idea and went
for something else.

Now fast forward a few years to 2020 after working on this on-and-off.
With the release process still being half-manually generated (though
the process has gotten a bit faster), I figured I'd tackle this update
issue once and for all.

I had the intention of setting up the new system such that all versions
(2.0 to 2.53.5.1 etc) can update properly.  After getting a simple
working prototype running, I realized that it's no longer possible to
even update anything <= 2.23.


To be honest, I always thought (probably just assumed) that the main 
problem with updating from older versions was that the Mozilla server 
they were hard-coded to check for updates ceased to exist (or at least 
stopped hosting SeaMonkey updates).  So you were having to set up a new 
server to host updates, but even then older versions wouldn't know about 
it so wouldn't pick up any updates.  I hadn't realised there was any 
possibility that new infrastructure might eventually enable those older 
versions to update as well.


There's bound to come a point, though, where an old version is just too 
old to be able to support updating automatically!


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Re: Updates: General

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WaltS48 wrote:

On 12/7/20 2:43 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Edmund Wong wrote:

Now fast forward a few years to 2020 after working on this on-and-off.
With the release process still being half-manually generated (though
the process has gotten a bit faster), I figured I'd tackle this update
issue once and for all.


The way it works on Linux distros is really much better than I 
remember on Windows where individual apps had their own updaters with 
their own schedules, installers, and admin rights. On Linux distros, 
you run a simple command and the whole o/s (and all apps) offer their 
updates.


The issue for Edmund is trying to ensure that, when SeaMonkey is built 
by a distro and installed via their package manager, SeaMonkey's 
built-in updater doesn't interfere with that.  The system package keeps 
track of files it installs, so that they can be removed as necessary 
when the package is updated or uninstalled.  If SeaMonkey installed an 
update through its own mechanism, that would be outside the control and 
knowledge of the system's package manager and could break future updates 
and uninstalls.


Some applications provide a build-time option to disable automatic 
updates.  I don't know if SeaMonkey has such an option, but if it does 
the onus might be on the people building packages for distros to use 
that option to disable SeaMonkey's updates.  Not sure where that would 
leave Ubuntuzilla though, as I think they simply package the official 
builds, so probably wouldn't be compiled with that option.


SeaMonkey is already in EPEL for example, so it's a ten 
second job to update it. You don't need to run an exe file 
(installer), you just copy a few files, and you can even downgrade.




What is EPEL?


Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux.  It's a non-default repository with 
additional packages for Red Hat (and derivatives such as CentOS).  No 
good for Ubuntu though, as Red Hat uses RPM packages and Ubuntu uses Deb 
packages.



Ubuntu doesn't provide SeaMonkey in its main repo anymore.


For SeaMonkey on Ubuntu (and its derivatives such as Mint), there's the 
Ubuntuzilla repository:

https://sourceforge.net/p/ubuntuzilla/wiki/Main_Page/

I have to download and install each new version over the old. An 
internal app update mechanism would be greatly appreciated.


Even if SeaMonkey's built-in updater did work, personally I'd still use 
Ubuntuzilla since I find it more convenient to manage updates through 
the system's package manager, along with everything else.


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Re: SeaMonkey and Github

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Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:

Hi,

It seems that Github.com does not work with SM correctly in more
frequently used features than before. For instance, I no longer can
edit comments in issues using the Edit menu option at the top right
corner of the comment box. Also, I can't edit checklists in comments.
Changing the UA agent in different ways (through HTTP config and
setting an specific general.useragent.github.com preference) has not
helped.

In the past, the top message warning me of an obsolete browser was
just an annoyance, but I can't find the way to workaround this. Has
anyone been luckier than me with this?


For what it's worth, I've also noticed that trying to show hidden lines 
in diffs no longer works either.  I suspect this is another case of a 
site (GitHub in this case) using newer JavaScript features which aren't 
implemented in SeaMonkey, and not providing polyfills to provide those 
features when unavailable.


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Re: Images don't display on Costco emails

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William Greenwood wrote:

What setting do I need to adjust?


EE wrote:
Have you examined Preferences > Mail & Newsgroups > Message Display?  Is 
"Block images and other content from remote sources" checked?


Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
That's a deliberate policy in my case, but those few mails where I 
actually want to look at the pretty pictures normally come with a link: 
"Open in Browser" or "View this email in your browser".


That's dependent on the sender of the email including such a link, and 
hosting a copy of the email as a web page on their server.  Even when 
they do include such a link, they may not host the copy indefinitely - 
so it might stop working some time in future.


I think the main issue with remote images in emails is that they can 
include unique image URLs in each email they send, even if the emails 
otherwise appear identical (e.g. advertising offers), so they know that 
you've opened the copy they sent to you.  So it is a good idea to block 
them by default, so that you don't reveal anything just by opening the 
email (spammers can use the same trick to work out which addresses are 
actually being read and opened, to target with more spam).  But the same 
applies to the link to open the email in the browser - it will probably 
include a unique ID, so they know it was opened from the email they sent 
to you, as opposed to anyone else.  That's probably not an issue for 
companies you have dealings with anyway - but the point is that using 
the link to open the message in the browser is not really any better 
than allowing remotely hosted images to be shown in that specific email.


Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
Suppressing full html is a security option, some pretty nasty things can 
be spread via html (or MS Word) mails.  I must admit I thought you could 
have exceptions (such as permit full html for costco.com) but I can't 
see how to manipulate them so that could be wrong.


I also have "Block images and other content from remote sources" set. 
When an email contains embedded images from a remote server, SeaMonkey 
displays a green banner saying "To protect your privacy, SeaMonkey has 
blocked remote content in this message" with an "Options" button giving 
the option to show that content.  That shows the content just for that 
email, without having to change the main preference.


That banner also includes options to always allow remote content based 
on the sender or the domain hosting the content.  Those permissions can 
be modified via the "Permissions" settings in Tools > Data Manager 
("Load Images" permissions under the "*" domain for specific senders, or 
the specific domain hosting content).  That might be what you were 
thinking of for setting exceptions.  There's also an option in address 
book entries for whether they prefer to receive messages as plain text 
or HTML - but that's for the format used for outgoing messages you send 
to that address, not how you view messages received from them.


If you don't get that banner, or if selecting the option to show remote 
content still doesn't show the images, there may be something else going 
on.  e.g. the image URLs in the email may be wrong, or the sender may 
have stopped hosting them (I sometimes find that images are no longer 
available if I open an email a couple of months old - depends on the 
sender though).


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Re: Languages & Dictionaries

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rick-shar wrote:

RicklesP wrote:

Mark, etc,
Now that I've had time to try, I've downloaded v2.68 and 
(?)successfully installed it into my wife's laptop.  It shows up in 
the Add-On Mgr screen as a loaded Dictionary, but is not available to 
select anywhere. Whether composing a new email or as the default 
language under Properties - Appearance - Spelling, the only entry in 
her SM v2.53.5 install is for the default English-US.  And of course, 
the link for 'add more dictionaries' takes me to the Thunderbird 
add-ons download page, for what that's worth.


I really don't want to abandon SM, but if my English wife can't 
compose emails in her own language in the mail client, what's the 
point?  I've been a loyal Netscape/Mozilla/SM user for some time, but 
I'm not a developer.  My skill set is in system administration, not 
programming.




My thanks to all who replied with additional suggestions, but it has 
been sorted, finally.  Not only did the v2.68 install didn't work even 
after SM and then the laptop restarts, but attempting to use the 
'download more dictionaries' link didn't do anything--no web page, no 
nothing.  With no other changes, I installed v2.53.5.1 on top of the 
current setup, and the v2.68 English-UK dictionary is now listed as 
such, and is now set as the default.  Composition tests with spell check 
work as you'd expect, that way.
I have no idea what was corrupted, but the latest install did something 
and all is now well.


I suspect when the new version scanned for existing add-ons it perhaps 
had the same effect as removing and re-adding the dictionary add-on (now 
at version 2.68).  Anyway, the main thing is it's working now :)  Thanks 
for getting back - it's always good to know that problems are resolved, 
and the eventual solution can sometimes help others too.


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Re: Languages & Dictionaries

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Mark Bourne wrote:
This seems to be resolved by removing the dictionary (even if it now 
shows as version 2.68), then installing version 2.68:

- Open Add-ons Manager
- Select "Dictionaries" on the left side
- Click "Remove" alongside British English Dictionary (Marco Pinto)
   (if it's not there, look under "Extensions" on the left side instead)


As in Nuno Silva's response, restart SeaMonkey at this point, before 
installing 2.68.


- Install British English Dictionary (Marco Pinto) version 2.68 (either 
by going to the add-ons page, or if you've already downloaded the .xpi 
file click the cog icon at the top and select "Install Add-on From File".


And restart SeaMonkey again after installing 2.68.

After doing that, I see an "English/United Kingdom" option in 
Preferences > Appearance > Spelling.


I did restart SeaMonkey at those points when trying this out, but forgot 
to include them in the steps above.  Apologies for the omission - it 
probably does make a difference!


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Re: Languages & Dictionaries

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rick-shar wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

rick-shar wrote:
Just upgraded 2 Win10 laptops to SM 2.53.5 (thanks loads, devs!), in 
the UK. On my own laptop, I have the British English Dictionary 
(Marco Pinto) v2.68, which lists in the Add-On Mgr under the category 
'Dictionaries'.  On my wife's laptop, before the SM version update, 
she'd complained about only having the English (US) language 
available for spell-checking, which causes issues whenever composing 
emails for UK recipients.


On that laptop, I've added the latest Marco Pinto Dictionary v2.90 
from the Add-Ons site, but it only lists as an Extension, not a 
Dictionary, so can't be selected for spell-checking. 


That happens if you install a WebExtension-based dictionary in 
SeaMonkey, as mentioned under "Extensions (Add-ons) and Themes" in the 
release notes.  It seems even the ones hosted on 
addons.thunderbird.net may be WebExtensions now but don't work with 
SeaMonkey - see e.g. 
.


I'm currently using v2.68 of British English Dictionary (Marco Pinto). 
You can download older versions by following the "See complete version 
history" link near the bottom of 
. 
  There, 2.68 is explicitly mentioned as being a legacy extension, and 
there's mention of this 2.70 already being a WebExtension.  It's not 
clear which 2.69 is, so that might perhaps work, or it might be that 
2.68 is the last that works in current SeaMonkey.


If you right-click the "Download Now" button, you can select "Save 
Link Target As..." to download the .xpi file for the extension rather 
than immediately installing it.  That way you've got it in case you 
need to install it again in future.  From about:addons, you can 
install an extension from an .xpi file by clicking the cog icon near 
the top right and selecting "Install Add-on From File..."


On my own laptop, the v2.68 installed doesn't appear to have any 
means of updating as-is, but it is working as expected.


It might be that's the latest which actually works with SeaMonkey.  Or 
it may be related to the fact that update checks for the main 
application don't work.  As far as I can see, 2.69 is the only newer 
version which might possibly work - so you could try downloading and 
installing that as above, but be prepared to revert back to 2.68 if it 
doesn't work.



So it looks like I have 2 separate issues.  Any suggestions?



Mark, etc,
Now that I've had time to try, I've downloaded v2.68 and (?)successfully 
installed it into my wife's laptop.  It shows up in the Add-On Mgr 
screen as a loaded Dictionary, but is not available to select anywhere. 
Whether composing a new email or as the default language under 
Properties - Appearance - Spelling, the only entry in her SM v2.53.5 
install is for the default English-US.  And of course, the link for 'add 
more dictionaries' takes me to the Thunderbird add-ons download page, 
for what that's worth.


I've just experimented a bit on a virtual machine.  I can reproduce what 
you're seeing if I install a newer version of the dictionary, then 
install 2.68 over the top without removing the older version.  2.68 then 
shows up under "Dictionaries" in the Add-ons Manager, but isn't 
available under Preferences > Appearance > Spelling.


This seems to be resolved by removing the dictionary (even if it now 
shows as version 2.68), then installing version 2.68:

- Open Add-ons Manager
- Select "Dictionaries" on the left side
- Click "Remove" alongside British English Dictionary (Marco Pinto)
  (if it's not there, look under "Extensions" on the left side instead)
- Install British English Dictionary (Marco Pinto) version 2.68 (either 
by going to the add-ons page, or if you've already downloaded the .xpi 
file click the cog icon at the top and select "Install Add-on From File".


After doing that, I see an "English/United Kingdom" option in 
Preferences > Appearance > Spelling.


If it still doesn't show up, a few things I can think of to check:
- Check that "British English Dictionary (Marco Pinto)" is showing up 
under "Dictionaries", not "Extensions", in the Add-ons Manager.
- Click "More" alongside the dictionary and check that it shows 2.68 in 
the heading.
- Make sure it's not disabled; if it is, click the "Enable" button next 
to the dictionary in add-ons manager.
- If you have multiple profiles, make sure it's installed in the profile 
you're trying to use it in; add-ons are installed separately for each 
profile.  If you've previously installed the newer version in other 
profiles, you'll probably have to remove and reinstall the older version 
in each profile.


SeaMonkey add-ons are hosted on Thunderbird's website, since Mozilla 
stopped hosting them, so it's normal that you'd be taken there. 
Unfortunately, it seems to offer the latest WebExtension dictionaries to 
SeaMonkey even though SeaMonkey doesn't 

Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.5 released!

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 Mr. Ed  via support-seamonkey wrote:

The long list of "Know Issues" for 2.53.5 will keep me from upgrading.
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/


As far as I can see, it's exactly the same as the list for 2.53.4 
 - which is 
the version your user-agent header indicates you're currently using.



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Re: Problems W/Profile SM 2.53.5 Win 10 Pro

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Samuel S wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Samuel S wrote:
Hello all, my issue today is that I have two (2) profiles on my 
2.53.5, one business and one personal.


My business profile will not reload as I last left it when returning 
from personal profile, while the personal profile always returns to 
the previous state.


Browser and suite settings are the same in both profiles.

At a loss as to what to try next or how I arrived to this state of 
operation for my business profile.


Any suggestions or ideas are welcomed.


Edit > Preferences > Browser > Display on: Browser Startup > Select 
"Restore Previous Session"?




Mark,

Thank you for the suggestion. I have tried this and it does not change 
the results.


Might a re-install be my next move to try and correct this situation???


A reinstall probably won't help, particularly as it works as expected 
with one profile.  The difference is somewhere in the profile, and 
reinstalling won't affect that.


After switching back to the business profile, does Go > Restore Previous 
Session restore the session as you'd expect?  Might give some clue as to 
whether the problem is with the state not being saved, or just not 
automatically restoring it.


Also try disabling extensions, particularly any which might have 
anything to do with things like history or browser tabs.  It could be 
that one of those is interfering with restoring the session.


It may be worth looking through about:config in both profiles, or least 
compare the prefs.js files (and user.js if you use those), but there 
will probably be quite a lot of differences to be expected (things like 
email accounts, folder paths, printer settings, etc.)


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Re: Problems W/Profile SM 2.53.5 Win 10 Pro

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Samuel S wrote:
Hello all, my issue today is that I have two (2) profiles on my 2.53.5, 
one business and one personal.


My business profile will not reload as I last left it when returning 
from personal profile, while the personal profile always returns to the 
previous state.


Browser and suite settings are the same in both profiles.

At a loss as to what to try next or how I arrived to this state of 
operation for my business profile.


Any suggestions or ideas are welcomed.


Edit > Preferences > Browser > Display on: Browser Startup > Select 
"Restore Previous Session"?


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Re: Languages & Dictionaries

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rick-shar wrote:
Just upgraded 2 Win10 laptops to SM 2.53.5 (thanks loads, devs!), in the 
UK. On my own laptop, I have the British English Dictionary (Marco 
Pinto) v2.68, which lists in the Add-On Mgr under the category 
'Dictionaries'.  On my wife's laptop, before the SM version update, 
she'd complained about only having the English (US) language available 
for spell-checking, which causes issues whenever composing emails for UK 
recipients.


On that laptop, I've added the latest Marco Pinto Dictionary v2.90 from 
the Add-Ons site, but it only lists as an Extension, not a Dictionary, 
so can't be selected for spell-checking.  


That happens if you install a WebExtension-based dictionary in 
SeaMonkey, as mentioned under "Extensions (Add-ons) and Themes" in the 
release notes.  It seems even the ones hosted on addons.thunderbird.net 
may be WebExtensions now but don't work with SeaMonkey - see e.g. 
.


I'm currently using v2.68 of British English Dictionary (Marco Pinto). 
You can download older versions by following the "See complete version 
history" link near the bottom of 
. 
 There, 2.68 is explicitly mentioned as being a legacy extension, and 
there's mention of this 2.70 already being a WebExtension.  It's not 
clear which 2.69 is, so that might perhaps work, or it might be that 
2.68 is the last that works in current SeaMonkey.


If you right-click the "Download Now" button, you can select "Save Link 
Target As..." to download the .xpi file for the extension rather than 
immediately installing it.  That way you've got it in case you need to 
install it again in future.  From about:addons, you can install an 
extension from an .xpi file by clicking the cog icon near the top right 
and selecting "Install Add-on From File..."


On my own laptop, the v2.68 
installed doesn't appear to have any means of updating as-is, but it is 
working as expected.


It might be that's the latest which actually works with SeaMonkey.  Or 
it may be related to the fact that update checks for the main 
application don't work.  As far as I can see, 2.69 is the only newer 
version which might possibly work - so you could try downloading and 
installing that as above, but be prepared to revert back to 2.68 if it 
doesn't work.



So it looks like I have 2 separate issues.  Any suggestions?


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Re: Mozilla Sources for SM 2.49.4 and SM 2.49.5

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Henrik37 via support-seamonkey wrote:

Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:

On 30/10/2020 21:24, Henrik37 wrote:
What are the underlying Mozilla sources for SM 2.49.4 (browser and 
mail) and SM 2.49.5 (browser and mail)?


Have you studied this page ?

/df


Yes, but I couldn't find the info I was looking for.


Are you looking for the source code, or do you just want to know which 
Firefox/Thunderbird versions SeaMonkey is based on?


If you're looking for the source code, the page Dirk mentioned refers to 
the mozilla.org wiki, and links to a specific page "that explains how to 
get the comm-central source code, which includes the current SeaMonkey 
development code".  Although there's a warning at the top of that page 
saying it's out of date, so I'm not sure how useful it is.


The downloads page for each release includes a download for the source 
code for that release, and also a "readme" file describing how to check 
out the source code from the various repositories (might be more 
accurate than the wiki above, but I haven't tried it myself).  e.g. the 
page for SeaMonkey 2.53.4 is 
.


If you just want to know the corresponding Firefox/Thunderbird version 
numbers, the release notes for each SeaMonkey release include that. 
e.g. the release notes for SeaMonkey 2.53.4 at 
 say:

 SeaMonkey 2.53.4 uses the same backend as Firefox and contains the relevant 
Firefox 60.6 security fixes.

SeaMonkey 2.53.4 shares most parts of the mail and news code with Thunderbird. 
Please read the Thunderbird 60.0 release notes for specific changes and 
security fixes in this release.

Additional important security fixes up to Current Firefox 78.1 ESR and a few enhancements have been backported. We will continue to enhance SeaMonkey security in subsequent 2.53.x beta and release versions as fast as we are able to. 


So apparently it's Firefox 60.6 plus some security fixes and 
enhancements from Firefox 78.1, and Thunderbird 60.0.


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Re: how do i backup my profile

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Jim wrote:
I installed SeaMonkey when I bought my PC in 2011.  Like others, I am 
having problems with SeaMonkey now.  I have so many questions, so I'll 
ask one at a time.


I am using version 2.49.4 -- I stopped doing updates, because they 
seemed to be getting worse.  I see that SM has released version 2.53.4.
The instructions warn:  "You MUST absolutely do a full backup of your 
profile before trying SeaMonkey 2.53.4."


How do I do that?  I want to keep my emails, bookmarks, and passwords 
intact.


BTW, I'm running Windows 10, 12 GB of RAM, and an I7 CPU.


As well as backing up the profile, also take note of the following 
paragraph near the top of the release notes if you use a master password:
Important only if you upgrade from 2.49.5 or an earlier version: Due to changes in the user profile, if you have set a master password, you will have to remove it before upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.53.4. After a successful upgrade, don't forget to manually remove the files key3.db and cert8.db in your profile afterwards, as they include credentials and passwords no longer protected by a master password. You can find the path to your profile folder entering the special about:support URL in a SeaMonkey browser window. 
You can remove your master password by providing an empty password in the "Change Master Password" dialog. Do not use the "Reset Password" function. You will lose all stored passwords this way.


key3.db and cert8.db might not exist after SeaMonkey has updated the 
profile.  Check the numbers in those file names - DO NOT delete key4.db 
and cert9.db, since those are the versions in the new format.


After starting SeaMonkey for the first time and allowing it to convert 
the profile, you can set the master password again.  It just needs to be 
cleared before upgrading and running the new version for the first time 
so that it can do the conversion.


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Re: SM 2.53.4 not loading Bissell website

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EE wrote:

flyguy wrote:

EE wrote on 10/7/2020 11:40 AM:

flyguy wrote:
SM 2.53.4 won't load https://www.bissell.com/ - the status message 
is Read www.bissell.com


Chrome loads it immediately. What could the problem be?

Here's another one that won't load, yet works properly in Chrome:

https://wingsandwheels.com/

Instead of the website, "403 Forbidden nginx" is displayed. The 
website worked in SM a couple months ago, but hasn't recently, with 
either 2.53.4 or 2.49.3


That first item is not even a web page.  It is a script.
The second one gives me the same result: forbidden.


Chrome and Edge both load a website for the first, so it seems to be 
real.


I suspected the second one (wingsandwheels) was ignoring SM, and that 
appears to be the case.




The bissel.com item is not regular HTML.  The first tag was a script 
tag, and the last line had an end script tag.  It was not proper HTML code.


It seems to depend on whether JavaScript is enabled.  With NoScript 
blocking all scripts on the page, at least some content shows up (but no 
images).  Although there is a lot of scripting on the page, it's got the 
usual general structure:

  
  
  
  ...
  
  
  ...
  
  

However, if I enable scripting for bissell.com and adobedtm.com, it 
fails to complete loading.  Viewing the source at that point does just 
show one big ... element, as you describe.  Strangely, 
if I close the source view and reopen it, it's then blank.


Looking at the "Network" tab of developer tools while loading the page, 
it seems to first load the same main page as I see without scripting 
enabled (though I never see it actually appear in the browser) and then 
a load of script and CSS files.  That's only visible briefly (unless I 
quickly cancel loading the page), and then the network log is cleared as 
if it's redirected to another page, but nothing else shows up.


It seems to redirect to a wyciwyg:// URL, which fails to load.  I have 
vague recollection of some discussion about those causing issues some 
time ago (or at least showing up as a side-effect of issues; from what I 
recall they might exist internally but shouldn't generally be actually 
seen?)  Perhaps one of those newer things that's been refined in newer 
versions of Firefox, but the version SeaMonkey is based on doesn't 
handle particularly well.


As well as that site being completely overkill on JavaScript!  After 
all, why just use an HTML tag to include an image when you can use 500 
lines of JavaScript to do it...


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Re: Problem viewing commits on gitlab.com with SeaMonkey.

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Jonathan Wilson wrote:
If I try to view a commit on gitlab.com such as 
https://gitlab.com/w3dhub/a-path-beyond-sdk/-/commit/a615e4d328a3f4ab1c60c3371308b28272489ccd 
with SeaMonkey, I see no output. Works fine for the same commit on the 
Chrome-based version of Edge as well as version 81.0 of Firefox 
(FirefoxPortable specifically if that makes a difference).


Is there something I can do (say, a useragent override) that would get 
the page working again or is this a site that just won't work in 
SeaMonkey (I have 2.53.4) anymore?


It looks OK to me with SeaMonkey 2.53.4 on Linux.  Might be related to 
settings for cookies, JavaScript etc.?  Try in "safe mode" (Help > 
Restart with Add-ons Disabled), or a clean profile (Tools > Switch Profile)?


Under the one file changes in that commit it shows "No preview for this 
file type", but that's normal for binary files.  I'd be surprised if 
that's any different in other browsers, as I think it's more to do with 
GitLab's support for generating a preview of the file rather than the 
browser.


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Re: No vertical scroll bar ...

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Paul Bergsagel wrote:

Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 9/2/2020 7:34 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

No vertical scroll bar ...

https://fr.surveymonkey.com/mp/legal/cookies/

Works ok with Google Chrome.

Again you will say that the problem is at te webmaster of the site :-)



Well, yes.  The "body" stanza of the site CSS includes the rule:
 overflow:  -moz-scrollbars-none;

If I disable that rule using Developer Tools the scrollbar re-appears.

I have no idea what they are trying to accomplish with that.

Lem Johnson
Maybe this is to passively "force" users not to use SeaMonkey. Survey 
Monkey may be wanting to reduce the number of browsers they have to test 
their web page with so they make the web page display incorrectly for 
any other browser than Chrome (chrome variations also) or Firefox. The 
hope is that users will switch to either a Chrome variation or Firefox. 
This tactic is not something I thought a professional company would use 
to reduce the number of browsers they need to test with their site.


I had been thinking it looked fine for me, with SeaMonkey 2.53.3 on 
Linux Mint MATE.  Then just realised that NoScript was blocking scripts 
from running.  Allowing the scripts leads to the scrollbar disappearing. 
 So seems to be something in their scripting that leads to the 
scrollbar being removed.


Firefox 80.0 indicates that "-moz-scrollbars-none" is an invalid value 
for the "overflow" property.  So presumably it works on Firefox because 
the newer version has dropped support for that Mozilla-specific value. 
Probably a case of SurveyMonkey having left that bit of CSS in following 
some other change, checking that it works OK on the latest Firefox, and 
not noticing the effect of the left-over CSS on older versions which 
still recognise it.


You /might/ get somewhere reporting to SurveyMonkey that the latest 
Firefox indicates that this is an invalid value (and by the way, its 
presence happens to break the page on some other browsers they don't 
support, so getting rid of the invisible error in Firefox would also 
help users of those other browsers).  But they probably don't care about 
underlying errors anyway as long as it looks OK on the limited set of 
browsers they test with, and almost certainly don't care if it doesn't 
work on "unsupported" browsers.


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Re: Does 'K' really killfile a thread??

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Daniel wrote:
Over on one of my UseNet groups, one of the posters wants to become the 
greatest poster to that group  and one of the other posters, who is 
currently the greatest poster to that group.


So Poster A will post about anything with the slightest connection to 
that group (Actors Birthdays, Deaths, Anniversary, etc) which usually 
then draws a post from Poster B telling Poster A to stop Spamming the 
group.


I'm sure I have previously pressed 'K' in my SM 2.49.5 to Killfile such 
threads ... but they keep coming back or, at least, I think they are 
coming back next Birthday, Death Anniversary, whatever.


Are the new posts definitely in the same thread, or do these posters 
keep starting new threads (or replying in various different threads)? 
Even if the subject line is the same that doesn't necessarily make it 
the same thread - threading is based on message headers (Message-ID, 
In-Reply-To and References for emails, not sure if it's the same headers 
for newsgroups).  Outlook and perhaps others do attempt to use the 
subject to thread messages, but personally I find that a right pain, 
e.g. when it decides an email titled "Meeting today" is a reply to an 
email titled "Meeting today" from 3 years ago!  SeaMonkey and (as far as 
I know) Thunderbird thankfully don't do that.



Where is the Killfile stasis of the threads in a UseNet group stored??

Or am I wrong in my impression that when I press 'K' on a thread that 
thread should disappear from my sight forever  or at least until I 
take some remedial action to make a thread come alive again??


If they do keep starting new threads or posting in various other 
threads, it may be more effective to just ignore messages from these 
particular posters?  I don't use newsgroups (I post here via the mailing 
list) so not familiar with the exact filtering options for them, but 
there may be an option to ignore or mark as read messages from 
particular senders (and perhaps also to ignore the rest of the thread or 
subthread as well).  If they're trying to be recognised as frequent 
posters on the group, presumably they're posting with consistent names 
and addresses, so should be relatively easy to filter - unlike spammers 
who post from randomised IDs to evade filtering.


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Re: Feed Reader problems on particular website ❔

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RainerBielefeldNG wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com schrieb:

1.  ... Is that what you're expecting to see?



Hi Mark,

yes, it is. Here I had a different problem: The Page with the dropbox 
had gone, I cant tell whether I accidentally checked "always use" or 
whether there was some unexpected influence ...


I "about:config" I modified "browser.feeds.handler" to "ask", and the 
missing page with the dropbox has reappeared


I think that's probably the preference behind the helper application 
setting I mentioned.  So looks like it had someone been set to always 
use a particular option.



2. Posting Feed


That looks similar to what I see: no feed appears in "Blogs and 
News-Feeds". Might be related to missing Title or something else, I 
haven't a clue how to test that. But there is a fact which changes my 
suspect: There has been a change on , now we have

"ÖPNV Braunschweig"    instead of
""
on https://www.oepnvbs.de/feed/ in source code. And now subscribing 
works fine.


I will file a Bug for that.

Thx for your assistance,


No problem.  With a bit of experimentation, SeaMonkey fails to add the 
feed if both title and description are missing or empty (the feeds at 
 both have an empty description).  I've posted 
more detail and examples in a reply to your bug 1661726, but from a 
quick look at the RSS specs, it looks like title and description are 
both required.  So although silently failing to add the feed as it does 
in my case is not really right, the error message you got might be 
correct - the feed wasn't really valid (if "required" means a value is 
required as well, not just an empty element).  The other readers you 
tried might just be more tolerant of invalid feeds.  Though that doesn't 
necessarily mean SeaMonkey couldn't be more tolerant as well ;o)


If that particular feed was working earlier today, then was broken, and 
is now working again, it sounds like perhaps oepnvbs.de broke it somehow 
and have since fixed it.  I notice the title of the comments feed also 
makes more sense now - "Kommentare für ÖPNV Braunschweig" rather than 
"Kommentare für".  Looks like they somehow dropped "ÖPNV Braunschweig" 
from both feed titles, leaving one empty and the other looking a bit odd.


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Re: SM Mail/News doesn't always focus selection from folder pan

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surname wrote:
In 2.53.3 (Linux LXLE x86, Ubuntu 16.04), I have Layout: Wide View with 
the folder and thread panes visible. These issues appear that are new 
compared with 2.49.5 and earlier.


#1    There is a strange horizontal striping (alternate lines) at the 
RHS of the folder pane behind the scroll-bar. Presumably some off-by-N 
theme issue?


So which theme are you using?  Does it still happen with the "SeaMonkey 
Default" theme?  Does it happen in a new profile (Tools > Switch Profile 
> Manage Profiles) - creating a new profile doesn't affect your 
existing profile, which you can get back to via the same menu.


It's fine for me using the default theme with SeaMonkey 2.53.3 in Linux 
Mint MATE.


#2    About 1 in 3 clicks on a folder in the folder pane fail to change 
the thread pane to the newly highlighted folder. Cursor navigation 
appears to work reliably. Something is swallowing clicks?


First thing I'd suggest is replace the batteries in the mouse (if it 
takes batteries), or try a different mouse.  It might seem like only 
SeaMonkey is affected, but I've often seen these kinds of problems 
reported against one frequently-used application, where it just hasn't 
been noticed in other applications.


Several times in the past, I've seen people report issues with typing in 
LibreOffice, or mouse jumping around in GIMP, or SeaMonkey scrolling 
unexpectedly etc.  They're always adamant that the issue only occurs 
with the one particular application, doesn't occur in anything else so 
it can't possibly be the keyboard or mouse, but once persuaded to just 
try replacing it the problem often goes away.  They just hadn't noticed 
an issue in other applications because they don't use the mouse/keyboard 
in the same way.  I'm not guaranteeing that's your problem, but I've 
seen it often enough that it's not really worth looking for anything 
else until that's ruled out.


#3    Possibly related to #2? The Error Console reports "Too much 
recursion" for certain lines in 
chrome://calendar/content/calendar-ui-utils.js (at or in function 
setElementValue()) - some event handler is being churned?


I don't see that, and I do actively use Lightning (the calendar add-on). 
 I'm no expert on SeaMonkey's internals, so no idea what might be 
causing that or what effect that might have (I might even be mistaken 
about that script being related to Lightning).  It may be worth making 
sure you've got the right version of Lightning installed for your 
version of SeaMonkey.  It's bundled with SeaMonkey now and installed by 
default, but as I understand it the copy installed within each profile 
doesn't always get upgraded correctly when upgrading SeaMonkey.  Usually 
it gets disabled if it's the wrong version, so shouldn't cause problems 
if you don't use it, but may be worth checking anyway.


Lightning 5.8.3 appears to be the version bundled with 2.53.3, so if you 
don't have that version it's probably worth removing it from your 
profile and adding the bundled version.  See "Lightning or one of the 
distributed extensions is not showing up or is disabled under Add-ons" 
under "Known Issues" in the release notes:



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Re: Feed Reader problems on particular website ❔

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RainerBielefeldNG wrote:

Hi all,

on  I observe a problem with subscribing to a 
feed.


1. Kommentar-Feed
---
Comment feed works, click on the feed symbol and selecting 
"Kommentar-Feed" subscribes to feed, it appears in Feed List with name 
"Kommentare für". That's an unintuitive name, but it works.
Strange: I have been used to see a list of entries and a button 
[Subscribe] which needs to be clicked to subscribe, that one ismissing 
here.


I don't usually use RSS feeds, so no idea whether what I see is the 
expected behaviour.  SeaMonkey 2.53.3 on Linux Mint...


Following the steps above, I get a page of posts, titled "Kommentare 
für".  Above that is a yellow box with options to subscribe:

- A dropdown to use News & Blogs, Live Bookmarks, etc.
- A tick-box to "always use  to subscribe to feeds"
- A button to "Subscribe Now"

Is that what you're expecting to see?  Clicking "Subscribe Now" with 
"News & Blogs" selected adds a "Blogs & News Feeds" account in Mail & 
News, with a "Kommentare für" folder into which posts are downloaded.


Maybe you'd previously selected the "always use" box, so now you don't 
get offered the option?  Check the action for "Web Feed" at Edit > 
Preferences > Browser > Helper Applications.  "Preview in SeaMonkey" 
seems to be the default.


Or perhaps this has changed in SeaMonkey 2.53.5 (going by your 
user-agent header).  I think Firefox was dropping support for RSS feeds, 
so perhaps that's had some effect (though I think it was removed from a 
later Firefox version than SeaMonkey 2.53 is based on).



2. Posting Feed

Click on the feed symbol and selecting "Feed" does not subscribe to 
feed, I get message "https://www.oepnvbs.de/feed/ is not a valid feed". 
I believe that that worked 1 time this morning, but may be I made a 
mistake?
Strange: I have been used to see a list of entries and a button 
[Subscribe] which needs to be clicked to subscribe, that one ismissing 
here.


Here I get the same as I did above - a list of posts and an option to 
subscribe.  However, clicking the option to subscribe adds the "Blogs & 
News Feeds" account in Mail & News but *doesn't* add a folder for this 
feed.  I guess that could, as you suggest below, be because the feed has 
no title for it to use as the folder name.


I don't get any message about it not being a valid feed, but perhaps 
your current default handler is something other than "News & Blogs".  Or 
perhaps your slightly newer version shows an error message, rather than 
just silently failing to add the feed.



Comparison with other feed readers:
---
WINDOWS standalone feed reader QuietRSS subscribes to both feeds and 
lists plausible number of entries


blogtrottr.com is able to subscribe to both feeds, because of hourly 
update I will have to wait for results. Here the Posting feed is listed 
as  "(Untitled feed)", may be that missing title causes the problem for 
SeaMonkey?


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Re: SeaMonkey mail and Gmail - starting today

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NFN Smith wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:
So, my mom, has an "upstairs Mac" and "downstairs Mac" both set-up for 
SeaMonkey to "get messages" from the same @gmail.com  address.


They both retrieve all the same messages every day (for years now), to 
help her remember things, and save her the precariousness of carrying 
a computer up or down stairs.


Today she tells me the downstairs Mac didn't get any of the messages 
that the upstairs one did.


Did Google change something or was this a glitch in the matrix today, 
Sat Aug 22, 2020?



Are you using IMAP or POP?  If IMAP, then both machines should be seeing 
the exact same thing.


If you're using POP, it is possible for sharing among multiple machines 
(at least for the Inbox), but if you're doing that, you really want to 
adjust your mail retention settings so that one POP client isn't 
deleting stuff from the server when downloading, and the other machine 
doesn't get to see that stuff.  I do POP on my primary profile, and set 
mail retention to not delete for 2 weeks, which allows any other 
profiles I use (all IMAP) to always have the last 2 weeks of received 
mail available.


Although it's possible that Google may have have had some sort of 
temporary glitch, the other possibility would be that the upstairs 
machine may have gotten its mail retention settings changed, somehow.


I don't recall for certain, and no longer have a GMail account to check, 
but when I did I think GMail ignored the client's setting to delete or 
retain messages downloaded via POP.  Instead, there was a setting 
somewhere in GMail's web interface to set what it would do with messages 
downloaded by POP (delete or retain).  So check that too.  It could also 
be that they've changed that behaviour to honour the client's setting 
(which might have been set to delete messages all along, but ignored by 
GMail until now) or changed the options on their side in some other way.


It's also possible that somehow, on the downstairs machine, the tracking 
of POP status got confused.  I don't remember the file name for that, so 
I won't suggest what you could do to check.


Also possible, though my experience has usually been that something 
going wrong there leads to duplicate copies of previous messages being 
downloaded from the server.


Back up your profile before messing with it!

Still assuming you are using POP and not IMAP...  There's a popstate.dat 
file in the local message storage directory for the account.  You could 
try deleting it (with SeaMonkey closed), but be aware that will lead to 
any messages still on the server being downloaded again, leading to 
duplicates or restoring previously deleted messages.  Before doing this, 
you may want to apply a tag to all messages currently in the local 
inbox, so that you can tell which ones are newly downloaded (and 
possible duplicated) and which were already in the local folder.


At this point, you do want to take a look at the mailbox from a web 
client, and see what's on the server.


That's always useful to help see what's going on!  If the messages are 
still on the server, the question is why the second client hasn't 
downloaded them.  If they're not still on the server, the question is 
why they've been deleted after the first client received them.


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Re: Selecting/displaying desired messages conveniently - Feasible feature request?

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Richard Owlett wrote:

On 08/20/2020 10:35 AM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

...

SECOND problem.
When searching a directory for key words in subject line [with 
perhaps a date boundary], I'll get a dozen or more hits that have to 
tagged individually.
I would like to tag or mark as un-read all the hits the search has 
found.


Ctrl+A selects all messages,


Understood.


or you can hold Ctrl to select multiple specific messages


I use that routinely in anothewr context.


or Shift to select a range of messages.


I do not understand that phrase.


You can click on one message in the list, then hold the Shift key while 
clicking on another message.  The two messages clicked and all messages 
in between will be selected.  If you use Ctrl to select multiple items 
in other contexts, you'll probably find you can use Shift there too.



*HOWEVER*, the two preceding options seem to cover ALL my needs.


Then the shortcuts to toggle read/unread (M) or tags (1, 2, 3, etc.)
affect all selected messages.


I think I understand using "M" to toggle read/unread.



This works from within the thread pane (e.g. if filtered using the 
search bar), in which case the menus can also be used, and also from 
the advanced search dialog, although the menus aren't available there 
so you need to know the relevant keyboard shortcuts.  You can use the 
menus from the main window to work out what the shortcuts are, e.g. 
Message > Tag to see which number corresponds to which tag.  I'm not 
sure whether you get shortcuts for tags beyond the first 9, so you 
might need to order them so that your frequently used tags come within 
the first 9 to ensure there are shortcuts for them.


That paragraph [PLUS toggling tags] I do *NOT* GROK.
What should I have read that I do not recall ever having seen ;/


Sorry, I was a bit too brief with that (lack of) explanation!

If you look on the Message > Tag menu (in the main window), there is a 
number next to each tag.  Although it looks like just the key to select 
the option from the menu, you can also use it as a separate shortcut key 
to add/remove the tag from a message (like how "M" toggles read/unread 
status).  e.g. with the default set of tags, pressing "1" will 
add/remove the red "Important" tag on selected messages, pressing "2" 
will add/remove the orange "Work" tag, etc.  Only the first 9 tags get 
shortcut keys (1 to 9) - I just added a few more tags to confirm last 
night's guess since I don't usually have that many.


I honestly don't know where I saw that you could just use the number 
keys to toggle tags without going through the menu.  I've been using 
them for a long time as a quick way to toggle tags on messages in the 
thread/message panes of the main window, or from a separate message window.


If you've used the search bar in the main window, the results are shown 
in the main thread pane and you can access the menus (Message > Tag, 
etc.) or use the keyboard shortcuts.  If you've used the advanced search 
(Tools > Search Messages or "Advanced" button on the search bar), the 
menus are not available, but the keyboard shortcuts still work if you 
know them.  I'm not sure that I saw that documented anywhere; probably 
just tried it and found it works, or used the shortcuts in the advanced 
search results without even thinking about it since I use them quite a 
lot anyway.


As far as I can tell, you can only apply the first 9 tags from the 
advanced search results, since they're the only ones with shortcut keys 
(1 to 9) and the menus aren't available there.  So if you want to be 
able to apply your frequently-used custom tags from the advanced search 
results, they need to be in the first 9 tags, and you need to remember 
which numbers they are to use the shortcuts.  You can change the order 
of existing tags at Edit > Preferences > Mail & Newsgroups > Tags or 
Message > Tag > Customise (select a tag and use the Raise/Lower 
Importance buttons).



I've been acound since Communicator days 


I don't go back quite that far.  Started using Mozilla Suite around 
2003, and then switched to SeaMonkey when Mozilla split the suite into 
Firefox and Thunderbird.


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Re: Selecting/displaying desired messages conveniently - Feasible feature request?

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Richard Owlett wrote:

SeaMonkey can already perform the required tasks.
But it clashes with desired workflow.

I make extensive use of custom tags .
The two most used tags are for:
   1. color coding the subject line of messages I wrote.
   2. a general tag for things I find to be of long-term interest.
Under "View:" my standard is to display all subject lines:
   associated with the second tag above
   or
   marked as unread

FIRST problem.
When a specific view is selected, SeaMonkey defaults to expanding the 
view in the "Thread" pane. As the purpose of the second tag is 
_long-term_ interest I have to scroll a long way to see today's posts.

Is there any way to collapse *ALL* threads?
[Collapsing individually is inconvenient.]


View > Threads > Collapse All Threads, or backslash (\) on the keyboard.


SECOND problem.
When searching a directory for key words in subject line [with perhaps a 
date boundary], I'll get a dozen or more hits that have to tagged 
individually.

I would like to tag or mark as un-read all the hits the search has found.


Ctrl+A selects all messages, or you can hold Ctrl to select multiple 
specific messages or Shift to select a range of messages.  Then the 
shortcuts to toggle read/unread (M) or tags (1, 2, 3, etc.) affect all 
selected messages.


This works from within the thread pane (e.g. if filtered using the 
search bar), in which case the menus can also be used, and also from the 
advanced search dialog, although the menus aren't available there so you 
need to know the relevant keyboard shortcuts.  You can use the menus 
from the main window to work out what the shortcuts are, e.g. Message > 
Tag to see which number corresponds to which tag.  I'm not sure whether 
you get shortcuts for tags beyond the first 9, so you might need to 
order them so that your frequently used tags come within the first 9 to 
ensure there are shortcuts for them.


The un_satisfactory option SeaMonkey provides of creating a "saved 
search" for later display is inconvenient.


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Re: Programming question: 8-9-20

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Information Services@DIASYS wrote:


*Dear Sea monkey:

Once again, I have been a avid supporter and user of the SM email app 
since Netscape went out of business


I recently had to have my operation system reinstalled as a result of 
bad win10 update and lost my  some of my SM email profile.


Some months ago I came across the a feature in the app that when 
replying to an email placed the date and time in the header of the email 
to be replied to ( i.e. On 8-9-20 4:10 PM Jon Doe wrote)


Search as I have I cannot seem to find where the feature is in the app 
and how to turn it back on.


Could you please direct and assist me?


Edit > Preferences > Mail & Newsgroups > Composition, there's a 
drop-down for "Select reply header type" with a few options.  It sounds 
like you want "On [date], [author] wrote:"


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Re: Yahooo/AT Webmail Access

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Lemuel Johnson via support-seamonkey wrote:
Yahoo/AT seems to implemented off-site authentication so a useragent 
override in about:config for just yahoo.com doesn't work (for me, at 
least) anymore.


Use Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> HTTP Networking to select Firefox 
(only), User Agent Switcher or your spoofer of choice to get past the 
guards at the door.


 pages load some scripts and other resources from , 
so you might need to set a user-agent override for that domain as well. 
Otherwise, if you're up for it, you could try having the "Network" tab 
of of the web development tools (Tools > Web Development > Toggle Tools) 
open as you try logging in, to see if any other domains are being 
accessed.  I don't have a Yahoo account, so can't get that far.


From a quick search, it looks like AT is at , so might need 
an override for that domain for AT's site to work.


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Re: Twitter will not show any pictures ✔

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RainerBielefeldNG wrote:

Hi,

the root of the problem was in file "permissions.sqlite" in the User 
Profile. The problem with twitter and also other pages in between became 
healed by renaming "permissions.sqlite" to "permissions.sqlite.bak" 
before I launched SeaMonkey.


Currently no problems with that "quick and dirty" trick. But the 
question is which changes (damages) in the file might have caused the 
missing pictures? In the Settings-Dialogs all pictures related settings 
were ok.


Various domain-specific permissions can be set under Tools > Data 
Manager.  I'm not sure if any of those might have been set to block 
images from those domains?


If interested, I guess you should be able to:
* Restore your original permissions.sqlite (with SeaMonkey closed)
* Start SeaMonkey
* Open Data Manger
* Select "Permissions only" in the top-left box (to show only domains 
with specific permissions set)
* See whether there are any image-related permissions set for the 
affected domains


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Re: Access Denied - CarMax.com

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Danny Kile wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:

Going to carmax.com I get the following error:

Access Denied
You don't have permission to access "http://www.carmax.com/; on 
this server.


Reference #18.2d891ab8.1596029342.1765be0e

I works just fine with Chrome.

What is my solution? Thank you!


This is a Seamonkey forum and your user-agent claims you are using 
Firefox 63.0.3, no trace of Seamonkey at all.
btw, I can also access that site with my geriatric version of 
Seamonkey.




I have tried several user-agents strings and none seem to make a 
deference. Right now I am using the following:


Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.3


And it dose the same thing Access Denied.

I have tried a different user profile and that seem to work. However 
I am not willing to switch user profile to get one site to work. I 
would like to get this one working.


Thank you to all that have replied to this message. Ant other 
suggestions.


Does it work with your normal profile if started in "safe mode" (Help 
> Restart with Add-ons Disabled)?  Which extensions do you have?


I've seen that error a while ago when blocking JavaScript on sites 
protected by Akamai.  Having said that, I'm not seeing any problem 
with http://www.carmax.com/, even though I have NoScript blocking 
scripts, so perhaps it's something else in this case - but probably 
worth checking anyway.
* Make sure you have JavaScript enabled (Edit > Preferences > Advanced 
> Scripts & Plugins)
* Disable any extensions which block JavaScript (NoScript, uMatrix, 
uBlock, etc.); if it works with them disabled, you'll need to work out 
which domains to allow scripts for before re-enabling the extensions
* Delete any cookies for carmax.com (Tools > Data Manager, enter 
"carmax.com" in "Search Domains", and delete any cookies); it seems 
having got the error, something gets set in a cookie so it continues 
to fail even after enabling JavaScript





  * Make sure you have JavaScript enabled (Edit > Preferences > Advanced 
  Scripts & Plugins)


Yes, JavaScript is enabled and has been from the beginning.

  * Disable any extensions which block JavaScript (NoScript, uMatrix, 
uBlock, etc.); if it works with them disabled, you'll need to work out 
which domains to allow scripts for before re-enabling the extensions


AdBlock Plus is Disabled for CarMax.com

  * Delete any cookies for carmax.com (Tools > Data Manager, enter
"carmax.com" in "Search Domains", and delete any cookies); it seems
having got the error, something gets set in a cookie so it continues to
fail even after enabling JavaScript

All cookies have been deleted several different times.

One more thing to mention is than I can get to the main CarMax.com web 
site without error it is when in type anything in the search line and 
then click search that I get the error.


That sounds like what I found a while back with other sites protected by 
Akamai if scripting was blocked.  It would initially load fine, but 
following any links to other pages on the same site would give an error 
like the one you're seeing.  And then it would continue to give that 
error even after enabling scripting, unless I cleared cookies after 
enabling scripting.


Did you try safe mode with your usual profile?  Did that work? 
Apologies if that's already been mentioned before.


It may be worth temporarily disabling AdBlock Plus entirely (and then 
delete cookies again), in case the problem may be triggered by some 
other domain from which carmax.com loads content.


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Re: Access Denied - CarMax.com

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Danny Kile wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:

Going to carmax.com I get the following error:

Access Denied
You don't have permission to access "http://www.carmax.com/; on this 
server.


Reference #18.2d891ab8.1596029342.1765be0e

I works just fine with Chrome.

What is my solution? Thank you!


This is a Seamonkey forum and your user-agent claims you are using 
Firefox 63.0.3, no trace of Seamonkey at all.

btw, I can also access that site with my geriatric version of Seamonkey.



I have tried several user-agents strings and none seem to make a 
deference. Right now I am using the following:


Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 
SeaMonkey/2.53.3


And it dose the same thing Access Denied.

I have tried a different user profile and that seem to work. However I 
am not willing to switch user profile to get one site to work. I would 
like to get this one working.


Thank you to all that have replied to this message. Ant other suggestions.


Does it work with your normal profile if started in "safe mode" (Help > 
Restart with Add-ons Disabled)?  Which extensions do you have?


I've seen that error a while ago when blocking JavaScript on sites 
protected by Akamai.  Having said that, I'm not seeing any problem with 
http://www.carmax.com/, even though I have NoScript blocking scripts, so 
perhaps it's something else in this case - but probably worth checking 
anyway.
* Make sure you have JavaScript enabled (Edit > Preferences > Advanced > 
Scripts & Plugins)
* Disable any extensions which block JavaScript (NoScript, uMatrix, 
uBlock, etc.); if it works with them disabled, you'll need to work out 
which domains to allow scripts for before re-enabling the extensions
* Delete any cookies for carmax.com (Tools > Data Manager, enter 
"carmax.com" in "Search Domains", and delete any cookies); it seems 
having got the error, something gets set in a cookie so it continues to 
fail even after enabling JavaScript


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Re: SM 2.53.3 Access Denied

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Doors wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 12:28:36 +0100,
mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:


Doors wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 19:15:39 +0100, "Nuno Silva"
 wrote:

Any chance this one said the following?:

"Access Denied

You don't have permission to access "[address]" on this server.

Reference #[number].[number].[number]"



That'd be blacklisting by Akamai:

https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/197753
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15688362


That looks correct.
Confusing part is I could pull up the same page on FF no problem.
That was annoying.
Fail on SM, work on FF, same address, same minute.
Load root of newegg, works.
Go anywhere on site, fail.

Really started bugging me.


Do you block JavaScript, or use an extension which blocks it, on
SeaMonkey?  I had similar issues some time ago with a couple of sites I
use, with NoScript in my case blocking scripts by default.  I think they
turned out to be using Akami.  Allowing the domain to run scripts
resolved the problem.

It was no good loading the site and then temporarily allowing scripting
for it though, as they seemed to decide on loading the first page that I
was going to be blocked for any further requests (even just reloading
the home page I was already looking at lead to access denied).  As I
recall, I think I could enable scripting and then delete cookies set for
the domain, so seems something was stored in cookies on that first load,
which caused the problem for subsequent requests even if scripts were
then enabled.  But it was easier to just permanently allow JavaScript
for those domains.


I rebuilt the profile by creating a clean one, then manually importing
pieces one by one.
Now it works, but no idea why.

My plugins are simple.

DOM inspector, epubreader, restart, show password, & umatrix.

Everything is the same as it was before, only now it works.
Really weird.


I'd suspect something different in the configuration of uMatrix between 
the two profiles.  That allows you to control which sites can run 
scripts (amongst other things).  I thought it blocked scripts by 
default, but perhaps somehow in your new profile it's allowing scripts 
to run for the sites you have problems with, while in your old profile 
it's blocking them (or perhaps one of the other things it blocks).


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Re: SM 2.53.3 Access Denied

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meagain wrote:
https://www.ag.ndsu.edu/accs/maintenance/windows-7-computers-to-be-blocked-january-14-2020 



This explains why some sites and others are blocking Win7.


Only if you're at North Dakota State University, otherwise it's 
completely irrelevant.  That page is describing their policy of blocking 
Windows 7 from connecting within their network.


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Re: SM 2.53.3 Access Denied

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Doors wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 19:15:39 +0100, "Nuno Silva"
 wrote:

Any chance this one said the following?:

"Access Denied

You don't have permission to access "[address]" on this server.

Reference #[number].[number].[number]"



That'd be blacklisting by Akamai:

https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/197753
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15688362


That looks correct.
Confusing part is I could pull up the same page on FF no problem.
That was annoying.
Fail on SM, work on FF, same address, same minute.
Load root of newegg, works.
Go anywhere on site, fail.

Really started bugging me.


Do you block JavaScript, or use an extension which blocks it, on 
SeaMonkey?  I had similar issues some time ago with a couple of sites I 
use, with NoScript in my case blocking scripts by default.  I think they 
turned out to be using Akami.  Allowing the domain to run scripts 
resolved the problem.


It was no good loading the site and then temporarily allowing scripting 
for it though, as they seemed to decide on loading the first page that I 
was going to be blocked for any further requests (even just reloading 
the home page I was already looking at lead to access denied).  As I 
recall, I think I could enable scripting and then delete cookies set for 
the domain, so seems something was stored in cookies on that first load, 
which caused the problem for subsequent requests even if scripts were 
then enabled.  But it was easier to just permanently allow JavaScript 
for those domains.


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Re: Migrating files to 2.53.3

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Paul Marwick wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
I thought bookmarks were stored in places.sqlite, but you've already 
mentioned copying that across...




:)  Found it - there are two other files places.sqlite-shm and -wal. 
Missed them the first time. Copied them over and I've got the bookmarks 
back as well.


I thought those were temporary files created while the SQLite database 
is open, and deleted when it's closed.  So if they're there it might 
indicate that you had SeaMonkey running when you copied the profile, or 
perhaps it had crashed.  I usually close SeaMonkey while copying / 
backing up the profile, to help ensure everything is captured in a 
consistent state.


Apart from one email account which is timing out, everything is now 
working. I'll have to check that mail server, but otherwise things are 
back to normal. Liking the new version so far. If nothing else, a fresh 
profile gets me a few things I've not seen.


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Re: Migrating files to 2.53.3

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Paul Marwick wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote:
Just got the Arch Linux update. I'm glad to say I did archive my 
existing profile, since when I started the new version, I got a blank 
pane with nothing working.


Is this updating from an older 2.53.x to 2.53.3?  If so, and if you 
have a language pack installed, that could be the problem causing the 
blank panes.  There's some issue with the version compatibility 
indicated in the older 2.53.x language packs, so SeaMonkey doesn't 
realise they're incompatible with the newer version and automatically 
disable them.  I gather from previous discussion here that the 
language packs for 2.53.3 should have this fixed - but that only helps 
when upgrading FROM 2.53.3 to a newer version.


Yes, upgrade from 2.53.2.



Start in safe mode (`seamonkey --safe-mode` from the command-line if 
you can't do it via the UI) using your original profile.  Then open 
Tools > Add-ons Manager, select "Languages" on the left side and 
remove any language pack there.  You can then install the 
corresponding language pack for the new version (at the bottom of the 
page at  for 2.53.3).


Thanks for the suggestion. Tried it, removed the english_UK language 
pack, removed Adblock+ and the old pdf reader, disabled a few other 
things. Unfortunately, when I restarted in normal mode, no change at all 
- still a blank pane. The command I use should have started the mail 
client, but it came up with the calendar instead, but nothing working. 
So for the moment, I'm back with the new profile. I do seem to have 
managed to get the saved passwords migrated. Well, all but one of them 
for some reason.


If it works in safe mode, that does suggest some add-on, or perhaps some 
other setting causing a problem (I gather safe mode also temporarily 
resets some other things, not just disabling add-ons, but not certain of 
the details).


You say it comes up with the calendar, which suggests Lightning is still 
enabled.  Have you tried disabling that?  It's quite tightly coupled to 
the version of SeaMonkey.  Being bundled with SeaMonkey now, I'd expect 
Lightning to get updated at the same time, but just wondering if for 
reason it hasn't been updated in the profile, and perhaps an older 
version of Lightning might be breaking the newer version of SeaMonkey...


I've created a new profile and it is working well. Now all I need is 
my bookmarks and saved passwords.


Trouble is, I'm not sure which files I need to restore from the 
backup. I _think_ I need places.sqlite and logins.json, but I'm not 
sure, nor am I sure if I need anything else. Long time since I last 
had to do this...


Can anyone tell me what files I need to copy over? Thanks.


As above, it might be possible to fix your existing profile, saving 
the need to port anything to a new profile.




:( So far, no go with the old profile. Still need to know if there is 
any way of bringing the old bookmarks back.


I thought bookmarks were stored in places.sqlite, but you've already 
mentioned copying that across...


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Re: Migrating files to 2.53.3

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Paul Marwick wrote:
Just got the Arch Linux update. I'm glad to say I did archive my 
existing profile, since when I started the new version, I got a blank 
pane with nothing working.


Is this updating from an older 2.53.x to 2.53.3?  If so, and if you have 
a language pack installed, that could be the problem causing the blank 
panes.  There's some issue with the version compatibility indicated in 
the older 2.53.x language packs, so SeaMonkey doesn't realise they're 
incompatible with the newer version and automatically disable them.  I 
gather from previous discussion here that the language packs for 2.53.3 
should have this fixed - but that only helps when upgrading FROM 2.53.3 
to a newer version.


Start in safe mode (`seamonkey --safe-mode` from the command-line if you 
can't do it via the UI) using your original profile.  Then open Tools > 
Add-ons Manager, select "Languages" on the left side and remove any 
language pack there.  You can then install the corresponding language 
pack for the new version (at the bottom of the page at 
 for 2.53.3).


I've created a new profile and it is working 
well. Now all I need is my bookmarks and saved passwords.


Trouble is, I'm not sure which files I need to restore from the backup. 
I _think_ I need places.sqlite and logins.json, but I'm not sure, nor am 
I sure if I need anything else. Long time since I last had to do this...


Can anyone tell me what files I need to copy over? Thanks.


As above, it might be possible to fix your existing profile, saving the 
need to port anything to a new profile.


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Re: Tab in v2.53.3's Mail & Newsgroup windows.

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Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Ant wrote:


MESSAGE IN SUBJECT LINE: Tab in v2.53.3's Mail & Newsgroup windows.


tisk, tisk, Ant you should know better ;-)


I see this is new. Is there a way to turn it off?


Nope not new, been around for some time. So long so that I cannot
remember when the feature was added...v2.x maybe?


I think what's new is that the tab bar is now shown by default when 
there's only one tab, whereas it was previously hidden by default until 
more tabs were opened.  In Mail & News, unless you use Lightning or 
specifically opened messages or folders in separate tabs, you'd probably 
never have had more than the initial tab, so the tab bar was previously 
hidden by default but is now shown by default.



I couldn't find its option. I don't use tabs in them, only web
browsers.


Not sure there is one.


Edit > Preferences > Browser > Tabbed Browsing > Hide the tab bar when 
only one tab is open


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Re: Reset email passwords

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Richard Owlett wrote:

On 07/07/2020 03:22 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
Well, you can always delete the entry in the password manager.  It 
will then ask you for a password (along with your email user-name).  
Since the exact form of the user-name varies between email providers, 
make sure you remember what it is supposed to look like.
In my case, the user-name could be hyperspace.flyover or 
hyperspace.flyo...@vogon.gov.




Didn't work.
Never got a chance to enter password. Received error message:

Sending of username did not succeed. Mail server ** responded:
Invalid format for plain response. 


It could be that the port, connection security or authentication method 
need to be updated in SeaMonkey's account settings (Edit > Mail & 
Newsgroups Account Settings > [Account Name] > Server Settings).


Although you may not have changed anything in SeaMonkey, mail providers 
sometimes change what they require.  It might not be a recently 
announced change either, if they brought in new settings some time ago, 
but still supported the old method until recently.  Most providers give 
the details needed somewhere on their support pages.


Also, as others have mentioned, check that the username is definitely in 
the right format - depending on the provider, sometimes it needs to be 
the whole email address, sometimes only the part before the "@" (I even 
once had an account which needed the whole address but with "@" replaced 
with "#"!)  Again, providers sometimes change what they expect, so worth 
checking even if it's previously been working.


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Re: 2.53.2 wrong day of week in events

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Mark Bourne wrote:

Mark Bourne wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

My Events shows 23 Jun 2020 CW 26  when it should be ?  Why?


It took me a bit to work out exactly what you were looking at.  This 
is the events part of the "Today Pane" (right-hand sidebar), right?  
Having just started SeaMonkey, mine was showing 24 Jun 2020 as Mon.  
After clicking one of the left/right arrows to change the day, and 
then back to today, it correctly shows the day as Wed.


Looks like it might initialise to "Mon" on startup, rather than the 
correct day of the week?


After restarting SeaMonkey it was showing "Mon" again.  Just clicking 
"Go to Today" (circle between the left/right arrows) also corrects the 
day of week displayed.


Today (Thu 25 Jun 2020) it started up showing "Tue", so not just stuck 
on "Mon", but not right anyway.  The same happens with a new profile. 
I've filed bug 1648580: 
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Re: 2.53.2 wrong day of week in events

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Mark Bourne wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

My Events shows 23 Jun 2020 CW 26  when it should be ?  Why?


It took me a bit to work out exactly what you were looking at.  This is 
the events part of the "Today Pane" (right-hand sidebar), right?  Having 
just started SeaMonkey, mine was showing 24 Jun 2020 as Mon.  After 
clicking one of the left/right arrows to change the day, and then back 
to today, it correctly shows the day as Wed.


Looks like it might initialise to "Mon" on startup, rather than the 
correct day of the week?


After restarting SeaMonkey it was showing "Mon" again.  Just clicking 
"Go to Today" (circle between the left/right arrows) also corrects the 
day of week displayed.


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Re: 2.53.2 wrong day of week in events

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David H. Durgee wrote:

My Events shows 23 Jun 2020 CW 26  when it should be ?  Why?


It took me a bit to work out exactly what you were looking at.  This is 
the events part of the "Today Pane" (right-hand sidebar), right?  Having 
just started SeaMonkey, mine was showing 24 Jun 2020 as Mon.  After 
clicking one of the left/right arrows to change the day, and then back 
to today, it correctly shows the day as Wed.


Looks like it might initialise to "Mon" on startup, rather than the 
correct day of the week?


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Re: Are Filters supposed to work in SM 2.49.5??

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Daniel wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 17/06/2020 10:12 PM:

Daniel wrote:
(I thought I might have asked this recently, but, checking back 
through Thread Subjects back as far as 1st April draws a blank so )


Are Filters supposed to be working in SM 2.49.5??

On several of my UseNet groups, I see posts offering "Solution 
Manuals" so I have made Filters, with various combinations of capital 
'S' and 'M', to 'Mark as Read' and 'Ignore Thread' across ALL of my 
UseNet groups, but, still, I'm finding these Subjects appearing, not 
daily but probably more than weekly.


I do seem to recall, somewhere in the dark recesses of my grey 
matter, that some versions of SM 2.49.x were released without Filters 
functioning ... but this may have just been for the Beta versions or 
some such.


So . Are Filters supposed to be working in SM 2.49.5?? (Note: 
Version details shown in my Sig file!)


Or . Are Filters supposed to be working in SM 2.53.x??


You posted that question approximately 2 hours 15 minutes less that 5 
days before your repost.  There were two replies.


OH!! No!! A message not remaining visible on this server!! Who would of 
thunk it?? :-P


Enabling View-> Threads -> All fails to show any thread begun by me back 
as far as my "Getting posts out of the Outbox" thread on 1st June ... 
but thanks for confirming I'm not going stupid ... at least in this case!


If I can't 'see' my OP in that thread or the two replies. I wonder what 
they said!! ;-)


Thanks for replying, Don.


They're still visible in the Google Groups archive at 
. 
 Basically they confirm that filters worked in 2.49.4 and 2.53.2.  I'm 
not sure if those responses were referring to mail filters though, nor 
whether the situation may be different for newsgroup filters.


For my part, I can also say that mail filters worked in 2.49.5, and 
still do in 2.53.2.  No idea about newsgroup filters though, since I 
don't subscribe to any.


I find it more convenient to receive emails from the lists I subscribe 
to, in the same mailbox as other emails (but sorted into folders by 
filters).  Tried the newsgroups for a while, but kept forgetting to 
check them (particularly being buried at the bottom of the folders list, 
below about all my local folders), so when I did there'd be hundreds of 
new messages.  Also with the mailing list I can keep the ones which 
might be useful later and delete those of no future interest (and they 
don't randomly disappear from my mailbox! ;o))


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Re: Sent folder not recording my outgoing messages in SeaMonkey....Why?

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Daniel wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 4/06/2020 12:48 AM:

Frog wrote:

Why are my outgoing messages not being recorded in the Sent folder?

Frog


Why are you opening new threads?

Make a complete Windows backup
Deinstall Seamonkey x86
Deinstall Seamonkey x64
Deinstall Thunderbird.
Reboot
Make sure that nothing is left in

C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey
C:\Program Files (x86)\SeaMonkey

Install SeaMonkey 2.53.2 x64.


Frank-Rainer, I don't know if this would effect Frog at all  but 
should Frog be installing an x64 program on a WOW64 OS ... or might he 
be better off if he switched to the 32 bit SeaMonkey installer??


WOW64 is not an OS.  It is the subsystem of 64-bit Windows used to run 
32-bit applications, mainly for cases where a 64-bit version of the 
application is not available.  If something shows up as running on 
"WOW64", it means it's a 32-bit application running on a system which is 
capable of running 64-bit applications (64-bit Windows on a 64-bit CPU). 
 While that should work, Windows does a number of strange things for 
compatibility when running 32-bit applications under WOW64, so it's 
probably better to run the native 64-bit version if one is available 
(which it is for recent versions of SeaMonkey).


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Re: SM 2.53.2 doanload dialogs not showing speed, and save to not keeping destinations.

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Doors wrote:
...

Download progress dialogs no longer show details.
Just transferred so far, and time.
It used to show speed, which I miss greatly, it is enormessly useful in
keeping track of how my conection is doing.


If you use the "Download Manager", that has a column for speed (you 
might need to add it by clicking the down-arrow at the right-hand end of 
the column headings).  Using the Download Manager can be selected in the 
preferences under Edit > Preferences > Browser > Downloads.  The 
"Progress Dialog" doesn't seem to show the speed though.



If in restoring them the ability to see sizes in bytes could be added,
it would be greatly appreciated.


As far as I can see, both the progress dialog and Download Manager show 
the total size.  Whether that can actually be shown before the download 
is complete depends on the server you're downloading from including the 
size in the response headers - some just don't, and sometimes data is 
generated on-the-fly so the server might not know in advance how big it 
will be.  Or were you specifically wanting to see the size in bytes as 
opposed to KB/MB even for larger files?  I don't think there's an option 
for that, though I may be wrong.



The other oddity is that 'save image' & 'save page as' are no longer
consistently keeping the destinations I set.
Sometimes they work, others they do not, no real pattern so far.


I'm not sure offhand about saving the page or images, but certainly the 
last-used location for downloads is remembered on a per-site basis. 
That can get a bit confusing if downloads are automatically redirected 
to one of several mirrors (like SourceForge do), since the actual domain 
you're downloading from might change from one download to another, and 
the default destination will depend on which mirror you get redirected 
to for each individual download.  That may or may not be relevant to 
what you're seeing.



I should note that I have NOTHING in my user profile that I can put
elsewhere, even my SM profile is placed elsewhere.
Everything on 'C:' is disposable, nothing of any value what so ever goes
there at all.


That shouldn't be a problem as far as I'm aware.

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Re: Contents of mails in inbox are lost

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k.weber wrote:

SM 2.53.1 Windows 10

Around 100 mails within a time span of 20 days are indicated in the 
inbox list properly but the content is lost. I wonder what has happened 
and how I can restore them.


Before doing anything more, close SeaMonkey and back up your profile. 
It's possible that the mailbox file might be corrupted, and some 
attempts to "repair" it might delete the content you're after.


It may be that the content is gone from the mailbox folder anyway, but 
for some reason the index still includes the header data to show in the 
list.  You could try right-clicking the folder, select "Properties" and 
click the "Repair Folder" button.  You might find those emails are then 
gone though - hence backing it up first - although that would probably 
indicate that the content isn't actually there anyway.


Depending on the server type, SeaMonkey can be set to only download the 
headers, and leave the content on the server.  Make sure you're not 
working "offline" - File > Offline, there should be no tick next to 
"Work Offline" - if that's set, it won't attempt to download the content 
to view even if your network is connected.  You may then want to check 
the settings for each account under Edit > Mail & Newsgroups Account 
Settings - particularly the "Server Settings" and "Disc Space" / 
"Synchronisation & Storage" sections for each account.


Failing that, it may be a case of manually inspecting the mailbox file 
to see whether there's any data there which can be recovered.  I once 
(about 15 years ago) had a mailbox file somehow corrupted in such a way 
that the boundaries between messages weren't correctly recognised, 
leading to the headers of some emails appearing appended to the text of 
others, and the content of other emails not showing anywhere even though 
it was in the file.  In some cases, deleting one email would also delete 
part of the next email in the file.


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Re: Password Manager in SeaMonkey 2.53.2

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Frog wrote:

On 5/18/2020 10:00 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

Frog wrote:
How do you make SeaMonkey ask whether or not your want Password 
Manager to save a password?


Frog


You aren't getting asked when you log into a site for the first time?

I just logged into my mozillaZine account for the first time and was 
asked if I wanted to save the username and password.



I should have told you where I was having my problem in my earlier 
message.  The problem is...the first time I previously used a new 
password on my system it would ask me if I wanted to save my password 
(subsequently recorded in Password Manager if I click yes).  The asking 
about saving new passwords no longer occurs. I'm trying to understand 
why this is occurring and how to fix this problem.


FYI, Password Manager is a lifesaver to me when it comes my 
forgetfulness of many things including passwords.


Saving passwords doesn't work for some websites, depending on how 
they're coded.  Some web developers seem to consider that a feature and 
deliberately do everything they can to stop password managers 
recognising and filling in their password fields - it's almost like they 
want you to reuse a short, easily remembered (and easily guessed) 
password rather than one which is unique, complex and difficult to guess!


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Re: Large memory usage by email ... or is SM in general?

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EE wrote:

Richard Alan wrote:

EE wrote:


flyguy wrote:

Windows 10, SM 2.49.4

Task Manager showed SM using 32% memory with email and one browser
window open. The browser had only one tab with the Washington Post
front page. Closing the browser reduced memory use to 24%; after
closing the email then reopening it, it used only 7%. I've noticed this
high memory usage before. Is there a way to avoid it, or to reduce it
without closing the program? I don't mind closing/reopening the email,
but often I have several windows and tabs open, so it's a nuisance to
close the browser, too.


If you read your email as plain text, it should not take as much room.


Choosing to read only the plain text will not change the size of the 
email
or the memory usage of the window. If the email contains an "HTML 
half" it

still loads. Do a Crtl-U and see it all.

That is only if the email is multipart.  If the sender uses only HTML 
and you read that as plain text, the tidied content does not take much 
space.  I read all my email as plain text.  Even if I deal with 20 
messages, I delete them when I have finished, then compact the folders. 
The compaction tells me how much space I saved afterwards, and it is on 
the order of kilobytes, not megabytes.


The space saved by compacting is the disk space saved by deleting the 
emails from the mailbox file on disk.  Nothing to do with memory usage. 
And that is the size of the full emails, including headers and all parts 
(including any attachments) and not affected by how you view them - 
you'll be seeing that space saved even if you delete the email without 
ever viewing it.


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Re: Unable to continue when a HTTPS connection is untrusted?

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Ant wrote:

On 5/9/2020 7:13 AM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
Exactly. I looked and i think it was SiteSecurityServiceState.txt 
which just needed to be edited to allow the override again.


I noticed after posting that you'd mentioned something similar (should 
have read the whole thread first, but it seemed to have deteriorated 
into "works for me", "me too", "doesn't work for me"...).


SiteSecurityServiceState.txt looks like the one.  It might be 
necessary to completely exit SeaMonkey before editing it, as I think 
otherwise it will get rewritten from an in-memory version.  Find the 
line for the affected site and just delete it.


Bear in mind that the site had set an HSTS policy to indicate that 
browsers should only ever connect securely, and that failure to do so 
might indicate that the site or your connection to it has been 
compromised (although it's also possible the site has broken the 
implicit promise to ensure you'll always be able to connect securely, 
for example by letting their certificate expire).  You may be OK with 
this for a site which you only view, but should be suspicious if such 
errors occur on your bank's site.


The real issue is websites setting an HSTS policy, and then not 
maintaining their own security configuration, although a UI to bypass 
it (with appropriate warnings) might be useful.


Ah, thanks. I see two of these in my profile's SiteSecurityServiceState 
file:


antville.org:HSTS    44    18391    1620529497904,1,1,2
videos.antville.org:HSTS    46    18391    1620529497913,1,1,2

So, do I just delete these two lines to let me in it with its risks 
alert option (with SeaMonkey process not running)?


Probably just the videos.antville.org one will be enough, since that's 
the site you're trying to access, although antville.org might be 
relevant if it loads and resources from that domain and it wouldn't 
really hurt to delete both anyway.  But didn't you say they'd fixed 
their certificate now anyway?  If that's the case, there's no point 
deleting the entries, since they'll probably be added back next time you 
visit the site.


Also, when did SM start using this list? I have never seen and heard of 
this one before. :)


I don't know exactly.  Searching my email archives (not every message on 
this list, only threads I had an interest in) I find mention of HSTS and 
SiteSecurityServiceState.txt in relation to SeaMonkey 2.40 back in 2016 
- so at leat that long ago.


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Re: Can't use Seamonkey 2.53.2

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Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Holger wrote:

Yamo' schrieb:

Hi,

I cannot use the latest version there must be something that happen
during the upgrade...

Black screen on the web module and I cannot post on usenet.


How can I redo the upgrade (there may be a file to remove or edit).


I'm on linux debian 10 amd64bits.



Hello, Stéphane,

i had a similar behaviour (no menu, browser area etc.) after the update.
The reason was the missing language pack.

The installation of the downloaded language pack xpi file was possible
without problems by opening the file in "--safe-mode".

Afterwards I restarted Seamonkey and everything worked again.



It it was/is the language pack should be fixed in 2.53.4. Actually 
2.53.3 but given that the 2.53.2 language packs have the wrong max 
version the fix will only be effective in 2.53.4.


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635413


It looks like the language pack is a good contender.  I've just upgraded 
from 2.53.1 to 2.53.2 myself and had the same thing happen.  With the 
2.53.1 en-GB language pack installed, the browser window showed the 
toolbar but no menus and the content area was grey.


Had to start in safe mode to install the updated 2.53.2 en-GB langpack. 
All was then fine restarting in normal mode.  For anyone not aware, 
updated language packs can be downloaded from 
.


Should this be added to the release notes?  Or is this what is described 
under known issues as:

Previous versions of Language Packs should be removed or disabled otherwise XML 
errors will be shown instead of parts of the application.


I didn't see any XML errors - just no menus and no content.

It sounds like the same thing is likely to happen on upgrade from 2.53.2 
to 2.53.3 if I've understood correctly?


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Re: Can't use Seamonkey 2.53.2

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Yamo' wrote:

Hi,


mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com a tapoté le 09/05/2020 16:31:

Yamo' wrote:




It could be an add-on which doesn't work correctly with Seamonkey
2.53.2.  Try running in safe mode - Help > Restart with Add-ons
Disabled.  If you can't get even see the menus, exit all SeaMonkey
windows and then start with the command `seamonkey --safe-mode`.



Sorry, I've totally forgotten the "--safe-mode" !
With this argument it's working!

Many thanks!


Something in the profile then.  Now the challenge is working out what ;o)


Check the release notes at
 - they
mention known issues with some particular add-ons, and also important
detail if you use a master password and upgrade from 2.49.5 or earlier.

Which version are you upgrading from?  If you're upgrading from
SeaMonkey 2.49.5 or earlier, redoing the upgrade will require restoring
your profile to before you upgraded.  If it's a very old version, you
might need to restore your previous profile, update to some intermediate
version and start once with that version to update your profile to that
state, before updating to the latest.  But from your later post it looks
like you don't back up your profile, so let's hope that doesn't become
necessary!


I sometimes backup it but not daily...


Backing up the profile before any upgrade of SeaMonkey is strongly 
recommended.  It's quite common (more common than is usually noticed) 
for the format of files in the profile to change from one version to the 
next.  A newer version will upgrade the profile to the newer format when 
first used, but having done so older versions will no longer be able to 
correctly use that profile.  So if you encounter problems with the new 
version, it might not be possible to go back to the previous version if 
you don't have a backup of the profile from before the upgrade.  I'm not 
aware of any such issues between 2.53.1 and 2.53.2, but doesn't hurt to 
be cautious.



I was upgrading from 2.53.1.

I will find the bad addon or bad users.css or something else...


I wouldn't expect issues with add-ons between 2.53.1 and 2.53.2 but, 
since it's an easy check, the first thing I'd try is to just disable all 
the add-ons via the add-ons manager, start normally and see if the issue 
persists.  If that fixes it, you can re-enable the add-ons a few at a 
time (restart SeaMonkey each time) to narrow down which it is.


The release notes mention some changes to scrollbar styling and some of 
the dialogs between 2.53.1 and 2.53.2, so not sure if that might have an 
impact on custom CSS.


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Re: OT Development sequesce releases)

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Daniel wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 8/05/2020 8:18 PM:



Basically only the browser works right in 2.57. Various problems with 
the other components. Usually use it only when I encounter a web site 
broken in 2.53 to check, when I find some time for a few 2.57 fixes or 
test 2.53 to 2.57 ports.


FRG


Frank-Rainer, If you don't mind, what is the sequence used when 
producing newer versions??


In my little bit I knowledge, I would have thought one version was 
basically an improvement on the previous version, e.g.


1.   Version ! of a program is produced and distributed.
2.   Users of Version 1 find some problems with that version.
3.   Version 2 includes some corrections (but code basically the same) 
and released.

4.   Users of Version 2 find some problems
5.   Version 3 includes some corrections (but code basically the same) 
and released.


etc, etc, etc.

Basically, once a version is "Out the door", all work on it ceases and 
full resources are dedicated to production of the Newer, Improved 
version. Well, O.K., maybe if there is a complete change of coding there 
might be "Spill" version of the already "Out the door", 'current' 
version, but nothing big!


It's not unusual to maintain one version while working on the next. 
e.g. while implementation of major improvements or new features are in 
progress for version 2, some critical issue (security vulnerability, 
data corruption, or whatever) may be found in version 1.  So a version 
1.1 is released to fix that issue, rather than leaving users with the 
bug until version 2 is ready.


As FRG mentioned, it does pretty much work as you suggest for the 
maintenance of one version (1 -> corrections -> 1.1 -> corrections -> 
1.2 -> etc.).  But in parallel with that, work needs to progress on 
version 2, otherwise you'll never get those new features or improvements.


SeaMonkey has the added complication that it's based on the same backend 
as Firefox and Thunderbird, but with a different UI (and perhaps some 
other things).  SeaMonkey 2.49 was based on Firefox 52, SeaMonkey 2.53 
on Firefox 60 (I thought 56, but release notes imply 60).  So a lot of 
work is needed to account for changes to the Firefox backend, which is 
apparently rapidly changing from one version to the next as Firefox rip 
out features, change/implement new APIs, etc., out of the control of 
SeaMonkey developers.


With a small'ish workforce of Volunteers, I would think this model might 
make best use of the limited resources! *IMHO* of course. ;-)


The trouble is, you'd be stuck with critical security vulnerabilities in 
SeaMonkey 2.53 until 2.57 is ready.  And those would be known issues, 
possibly being actively exploited, with fixes in Firefox but which the 
latest SeaMonkey would still be vulnerable to.


I really wish I had enough time to meaningfully help, but with the 
little time I'd be able to commit I'd probably be more of a drain on the 
existing team than a help.



But what would I know?? ;-P Not much!


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Re: Can't use Seamonkey 2.53.2

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Yamo' wrote:

Hi,

I cannot use the latest version there must be something that happen
during the upgrade...

Black screen on the web module and I cannot post on usenet.


How can I redo the upgrade (there may be a file to remove or edit).


I'm on linux debian 10 amd64bits.


It could be an add-on which doesn't work correctly with Seamonkey 
2.53.2.  Try running in safe mode - Help > Restart with Add-ons 
Disabled.  If you can't get even see the menus, exit all SeaMonkey 
windows and then start with the command `seamonkey --safe-mode`.


Check the release notes at 
 - they 
mention known issues with some particular add-ons, and also important 
detail if you use a master password and upgrade from 2.49.5 or earlier.


Which version are you upgrading from?  If you're upgrading from 
SeaMonkey 2.49.5 or earlier, redoing the upgrade will require restoring 
your profile to before you upgraded.  If it's a very old version, you 
might need to restore your previous profile, update to some intermediate 
version and start once with that version to update your profile to that 
state, before updating to the latest.  But from your later post it looks 
like you don't back up your profile, so let's hope that doesn't become 
necessary!


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Re: Unable to continue when a HTTPS connection is untrusted?

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Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

I think the bit about the site using HSTS explains it:
This site uses HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS) to specify that 
SeaMonkey only connect to it securely. As a result, it is not 
possible to add an exception for this certificate.


When you've visited the site before, it's indicated that it uses HSTS, 
so SeaMonkey won't allow insecure connections in future.


You probably haven't visited the site before in Firefox, so that 
doesn't know the site uses HSTS and allows the exception.  Either that 
or Firefox allows exceptions despite HSTS - if that is the case, it 
might have been changed in a newer version than SeaMonkey is based on.




Exactly. I looked and i think it was SiteSecurityServiceState.txt which 
just needed to be edited to allow the override again.


I noticed after posting that you'd mentioned something similar (should 
have read the whole thread first, but it seemed to have deteriorated 
into "works for me", "me too", "doesn't work for me"...).


SiteSecurityServiceState.txt looks like the one.  It might be necessary 
to completely exit SeaMonkey before editing it, as I think otherwise it 
will get rewritten from an in-memory version.  Find the line for the 
affected site and just delete it.


Bear in mind that the site had set an HSTS policy to indicate that 
browsers should only ever connect securely, and that failure to do so 
might indicate that the site or your connection to it has been 
compromised (although it's also possible the site has broken the 
implicit promise to ensure you'll always be able to connect securely, 
for example by letting their certificate expire).  You may be OK with 
this for a site which you only view, but should be suspicious if such 
errors occur on your bank's site.


The real issue is websites setting an HSTS policy, and then not 
maintaining their own security configuration, although a UI to bypass it 
(with appropriate warnings) might be useful.


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Re: Unable to continue when a HTTPS connection is untrusted?

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Ant wrote:

Hello.

https://videos.antville.org web site (not mine) currently says:

"This Connection is Untrusted

You have asked SeaMonkey to connect securely to videos.antville.org, but 
we can't confirm that your connection is secure.


Normally, when you try to connect securely, websites will present 
trusted identification to prove that you are going to the right place. 
However, this website's identity can't be verified.

What Should I Do?

If you usually connect to this website without problems, this error 
could mean that someone is trying to impersonate the website, and you 
shouldn't continue.


This site uses HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS) to specify that 
SeaMonkey only connect to it securely. As a result, it is not possible 
to add an exception for this certificate.

Technical Details

videos.antville.org uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate expired on Thursday, May 07, 2020, 5:06 PM. The current 
time is Thursday, May 07, 2020, 9:42 PM.


Error code: SEC_ERROR_EXPIRED_CERTIFICATE".


In the past, SeaMonkey web browser used to ask me to continue or not. I 
did not see any continue on it even though I know the risks. In Firefox 
v76 web browser, it lets me continue. Why did SeaMonkey remove this 
while Firefox still has it?


Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)



I think the bit about the site using HSTS explains it:
This site uses HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS) to specify that 
SeaMonkey only connect to it securely. As a result, it is not possible 
to add an exception for this certificate.


When you've visited the site before, it's indicated that it uses HSTS, 
so SeaMonkey won't allow insecure connections in future.


You probably haven't visited the site before in Firefox, so that doesn't 
know the site uses HSTS and allows the exception.  Either that or 
Firefox allows exceptions despite HSTS - if that is the case, it might 
have been changed in a newer version than SeaMonkey is based on.


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Re: Reply to who or what?

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Ray Davison wrote:
Most of the email lists I subscribe to, "reply" goes to the list.  But 
on a few - like this one - it goes only to the person that posted the 
message being replied to.  So I reply and wonder why it didn't post.  So 
I use "reply all" and delete the person and leave the list address.


On one list it was explained as a function of the list server and to 
live with it.  Is that as good as it gets?


This has come up numerous times in the past, but off the top of my head 
the main arguments are...


The way this list is set up is how email normally works - "Reply" sends 
a response to the individual person who sent the message, and "Reply 
All" sends a response to everyone (there's also "Reply List" to send 
only to the list, so the original sender doesn't get two copies, but as 
has been mentioned it's not quite so convenient to access, at least in 
SeaMonkey).


Mailing lists which set the "Reply-To" address to the list's address 
makes it more difficult if you want to reply to the individual, since 
"Reply", "Reply All" and "Reply to List" all just go back to the list. 
Furthermore, the original sender might have set their own Reply-To 
address at which they expect to receive messages, so even if you go to 
the extra effort to manually copy the "From" address to send a reply, 
that might not be the right address.  Although it's generally considered 
good form to keep discussion on-list, there are sometimes cases where 
individual responses are warranted.


Mailing lists which set the "From" address to the list's address have 
similar problems, and it that case it's not even possible to see the 
individual's address if you want to send a private reply.


For what it's worth, the other lists I mainly interact with are the 
LibreOffice and GIMP users' lists, and they're both set up the same as 
this one, where replies go to the individual.  So from my point of view, 
your argument of "most of the email lists I subscribe to" supports the 
way this list is set up.


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Re: YouTube Problems

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Thomas Pamin wrote:
YouTube is still giving me issues. Lots of blank pages and no video 
icons. Here's the latest page that is blank on SM, but works fine on 
Edge. Any help?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL772AE94FA6BA3D6E


I think it's your user-agent override.  From your mail header, I see:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0

If I set that as my user-agent, I get a mostly blank page at that URL.

With the default user-agent, it looks fine.  The layout is slightly 
different depending whether or not "Advertise Firefox compatibility" is 
enabled, but the content is there in either case.


It also looks OK if I use your user-agent, but with "Firefox/60.0" 
instead of "Firefox/68.0" - SeaMonkey 2.53.1 is based on Firefox 60, not 
68.  I'm guessing they're detecting that you have Firefox 68, and trying 
to use features which are not supported in the older version SeaMonkey 
is currently based on.  If you're still on SeaMonkey 2.49 series, you 
might need "Firefox/52.0", since that's the version SeaMonkey 2.49 is 
based on.


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Re: Do you use the default "Advertise Firefox compatiblity" option in your SeaMonkey?

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Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
The option to add Lightning to the UA was recently removed in 
Thunderbird and we did it too starting with 2.53.2. Beta 1 is now in 
tmp/release and should show up soon.


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1625750


That one does seem to have caused a number of problems lately, and 
doesn't seem particularly useful.



We have some discussions about UA compatibility in Bug 1242294.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1242294

A new option will allow for a Firefox only string to please some sites. 
Advertizing Firefox and SeaMonkey will be the default.


We are still not sure if the third option dropping Firefox from the UA 
is useful. Imho too many sites break without showing Firefox.


For what it's worth, I have "Advertise Firefox compatibility" off, so my 
default UA is SeaMonkey-only, and don't have problems with many sites. 
I'm not a heavy user of social media or streaming sites though, which 
seems to be where a lot of the problems reported recently are.  The 
banks I use are fine with the SeaMonkey-only UA, but from posts here it 
seems American banks are more fussy about it than UK banks are.


The few site-specific overrides I do use all include both Firefox and 
SeaMonkey (i.e. they're what I'd get from having "Advertise Firefox 
compatibility" on):
- bbc.co.uk (I think it was needed for iPlayer to work properly; one of 
the few streaming sites I do use regularly)

- bing.com (probably for their maps; I don't often use Bing anyway)
- mail.google.com (most of Google seems better without Firefox in the 
UA, but GMail was better with it; I no longer use it anyway)
- a couple of domains related to my employment which are accessible 
externally

- a couple of Scouting-related domains

Personally I think Firefox plus SeaMonkey show be the default and 
"Strict Firefox" the only other choice. For sites disliking both a 
domain override via about:config or a ua switcher would probably be best.


No final decision yet.


Another thought for the mix - Would it make sense to configure separate 
UAs for the browser and for mail/news?  Particularly if Firefox-only is 
one of the standard options, which doesn't really make sense in mail 
headers.  The options to advertise Firefox/Lightning are currently both 
under "HTTP Networking" in the preferences, but they affect mail/news as 
well - i.e. they affect SMTP and NNTP, not just HTTP.  It might make 
sense to decouple them, so that these options really do only affect 
HTTP, while mail/news always uses the SeaMonkey-only UA? (or perhaps 
optionally claims to be Thunderbird, although there doesn't seem to be 
so much need to mess with the mail/news UA).  I don't know how much work 
would be involved in decoupling the browser and mail/news UAs, and 
appreciate the team is already stretched - just a thought while you're 
talking about changes to UA handling anyway.


Google sites will probably all break soon until we implement Custom 
Elements and Shadow Dom. Planned but not around the corner.


Google don't seem to need an excuse to break ;o)

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Re: Not able to send messages.

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Frog - f...@pond.com wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/9/20 1:48 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:



Snippy, snip, snip...


Are you sure that the SMTP for AOL is identical to the SMTP for 
Verizon?



smtp.aol.com for AOL
smtp.verizon.net for Verizon

That what I get from Thunderbird's account setup wizard.


Exactly.  We don't know what Frog is trying to do.


Thanks for helping this 83 yr old beginner level technician solve a 
problem with his out-going mail situation.  Here is what my Mail & 
Newsgroup Account Settings > Server Settings are:


Verizon
Server type - POP Mail Server
Server Name: smpt.verizon.net  Port:995 Default:995
User Name: My complete email address is listed here.
Security Settings
Connection Security: SSL/TLS
Authentication method   Normal password

AOL
Server type - POP Mail Server
Server Name: mail.aol.com  Port:995 Default:995
User Name: My complete email address is listed here.
Security Settings
Connection Security: SSL/TLS
Authentication method   Password transmitted insecurely

Please Note: Both settings have worked for a year, and the Verizon setup 
suddenly stopped working.


Those are the settings for receiving mail from each account.  Since 
you're having trouble sending mail, you need to check the outgoing 
(SMTP) settings.  This has been quite a long thread, but I think I 
recall somewhere that AOL and/or Verizon recently changed to requiring 
the full email address as username?  In that case, it may be that you've 
changed the username for the incoming servers, but not for the outgoing 
ones.


As I mentioned in a previous post, it's also possible that both accounts 
are attempting to use the same outgoing server configuration, but that 
they now should be using different usernames (even if the server address 
is the same) corresponding to the different email addresses.


Only one SMTP server configuration will be default, so if both accounts 
have been left set to use the default server, one of them might be 
attempting to send mail using the other's address as the login.  From 
Edit > Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings:
- Select the AOL account in the left-hand panel and see what the 
"Outgoing Server (SMTP)" is set to near the bottom of the dialog.

- Do the same for the Verizon account.
- Select "Outgoing Server (SMTP)" in the left-hand panel and see which 
servers you have configured.


If the AOL and Verizon accounts are both set to use the same server, 
that may be the problem.  If not, double-check the settings for both 
servers:

- Are all the addresses, ports and authentication details correct?
- In particular, is the one used by the AOL account using the AOL email 
address as the username, and the one used by the Verizon account using 
the Verizon address as the username?


I don't have an account with either AOL or Verizon, so can't help with 
specifics of the configuration for each, but I think others here have 
mentioned the necessary settings which are working for them.


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Re: Problem with Data Manager

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Mark B wrote:

Windows 10
SM 23.49.5

The SM Data Manager on my wife's machine isn't working right.  When it's 
called up, there's a long period of not allowing any entry in the 
'Search Domains' field, followed by more time where it says (Not 
Responding) when it goes dim, then after about 45 seconds, allowing 
entry in the 'Search Domains' field, and everything is working.  This 
happens every time it is called.


Any ideas?


From the release notes 
:



If you experience a hang and/or get a message box that a script is busy when 
opening the Data Manager try deleting the webappsstore.* files from your 
profile folder when SeaMonkey is not running. These files contain data stored 
by web sites and will be recreated during the next start. If you are unsure if 
the information is needed please back up the files before deleting them. The 
problem is tracked in bug 1305624 but so far no coding error has been found. 
This problem is been reported frequently when trying to manage passwords. But 
the problem will generally happen just after you open the Data Manager, because 
this component is also used for managing cookies, site preferences permissions 
and other settings.


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Re: Not able to send messages.

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Frog wrote:
My AOL account and my Verizon account have have always had two different 
passwords. My Verizon mail is the one I can't access to send a message. 
The AOL account will now let me send email messages.


I don't have an account with either AOL or Verizon, so can't help with 
specifics of the configuration for each.  However, seeing this, I wonder 
whether the accounts might both be configured to use the same SMTP 
server configuration?


Even though the server details might be exactly the same for AOL and 
Verizon, you might need to ensure that your AOL address is used as the 
username when sending from your AOL address, and that the Verizon 
address is used as the username when sending from your Verizon address. 
Some servers only allow you to send mail from the address you used to 
log in.  This may not have mattered if they previously allowed only the 
part before the "@" to be used, particularly if that was the same for 
both accounts, but it might matter now if they've changed that.


Only one SMTP server configuration will be default, so if both accounts 
have been left set to use the default server, one of them might be 
attempting to send mail using the other's address as the login.  From 
Edit > Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings:
- Select the AOL account in the left-hand panel and see what the 
"Outgoing Server (SMTP)" is set to near the bottom of the dialog.

- Do the same for the Verizon account.
- Select "Outgoing Server (SMTP)" in the left-hand panel and see which 
servers you have configured.


If the AOL and Verizon accounts are both set to use the same server, 
that may be the problem.  If not, double-check the settings for both 
servers:

- Are all the addresses, ports and authentication details correct?
- In particular, is the one used by the AOL account using the AOL email 
address as the username, and the one used by the Verizon account using 
the Verizon address as the username?


I might on completely the wrong track with this.  There have been a lot 
of suggestions in this thread, so apologies if this has already been 
covered.


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Re: Did anyone notice SM v2.53.1's IMAP folders vanished locally after upgrading from v2.49.5?

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Ant wrote:
I had to reconnect to IMAP servers to get them back. They were there in 
v2.49.5 and earlier. :/


Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


No problem for me, having upgraded from SeaMonkey 2.49.5 to 2.53.1 last 
weekend (on Linux Mint, in case the OS makes a difference to the issue). 
 I only have one account using IMAP, with about 10 folders nested a 
couple of levels deep, but they were all still there after upgrading.


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Re: Master Password in new SeaMonkey 2.53.1

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d.e.r.b wrote:

I uninstalled v. 2.53.1, replaced the profile from a backup with v. 2.49.5, 
installed v. 2.49.5, set master pw empty, upgraded to v. 2.53.1, so I did it 
the described right way. But even this did not resolve the problem of two 
prompts for the pw.
What I observed is that I have to enter the pw only the first time and press on 
the second prompt just enter without filling in a pw.


Have you tried restarting SeaMonkey with addons disabled (aka "safe 
mode")?  Help > Restart with Add-ons Disabled (or on Windows, I think 
there's usually a "SeaMonkey (Safe Mode)" entry on the start menu. 
There's no need to make any of the changes permanent yet.


I don't know if it's possible, but maybe some extension is triggering a 
second password prompt before you've had a chance to respond to the 
first one.  But once you've responded to the first one, the database is 
unlocked so it doesn't actually matter whether you enter the password 
the second time.


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Re: Master Password in new SeaMonkey 2.53.1

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d.e.r.b wrote:

Am Sonntag, 29. März 2020 18:07:08 UTC+2 schrieb Frank-Rainer Grahl:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

d.e@mail.pcom.de wrote:

When launching new SeaMonkey 2.53.1 I will be prompted two times to enter
the master password for the security device. This was not the case in the
previous version. Moreover, I am only using one security the device, the
software devicie. For the Generic Crypto Services I have not set a password.

Any explanation and how could I overcome this since in the long term it is
laboriously, tedious and cumbersome to enter every launch of Seamonkey two
times the same pw?

Thanks



Is the old key3.db and cart8.db still in the profile folder?


On my 2.53.1 system, they is (assuming you mean cErt8.db), along with the old
key4.db and the new cert9.db. Can't speak for the OP.



New pair is key4.db and cert9.db. Please remove the old key3.db and cert8.db.

FRG


The old files are not in the profile folder.

But unfortunately, I did not remove the master password before upgrading to 
SeaMonkey 2.53.1

Should I do an uninstallation and a new one?


Although not the recommended procedure, I've found that the passwords 
are converted to the new format even with a master password set PROVIDED 
you enter the master password when prompted the first time you start 
2.53.1.  If for any reason (distraction, crash, power outage, etc.) you 
don't enter the password during that first run, the old password 
database key is deleted without being converted to the new format - so 
it's safer to remove the master password before upgrading, and reinstate 
it afterwards.


Check whether your passwords are still shown at Tools > Data Manager. 
If they are, you're probably OK even if you didn't remove the master 
password before updating as recommended.  If not, the old passwords key 
will have already been deleted from your profile even though it wasn't 
converted, so the older version won't be able to read your passwords 
anyway.  You'd need to restore your profile from a backup, as well as 
ideally going back to the previous version to remove the master password 
before updating again.


I've also found that the old key3.db is sometimes automatically deleted 
after that initial conversion (leaving only the new key4.db), but the 
old cert8.db is not deleted (leaving both cert8.db and the new 
cert9.db).  So it might only be necessary to delete cert8.db (DO NOT 
delete key4.db - that's the key for your password database).


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Re: No empty master password allowed in FIPS Software Security Device

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Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Steve Dunn wrote:
 Can a master password be set after the upgrade has been 
completed, or must all saved passwords be left insecure until 
whenever this bug is fixed? The release notes don't actually say - 
they just say you have to remove the master password before upgrading 
and them delete two files with unencrypted passwords in them after 
upgrading.


The way I interpret it is not that it's a bug, but that the format of 
the files is changed in the new version and can't be converted on 
first use of the new version if a master password is set.


Correct. Thunderbird did track this in
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1510212

I am not sure if it has been fully solved but the issue does not occur 
if the
master password is removed before migration so we still think this is 
the best way. You can set it afterwards and now with a better 
encryption. Just make sure to delete the old key3.db and cert8.db.


The discussion on that bug fits with what I've experienced.  In 
particular, from comment 4:

The bug happens, if the old (pre-60) NSS DB (key3):
- contains keys
- has a master password set
- is not unlocked during the first program session of a 60.x version


If I enter my master password at some point during the FIRST EVER 
session of 2.53.1, the passwords are converted.  If I don't, the old 
key3.db file is deleted without converting into the new format, and the 
passwords are lost.


As you say, it seems it is not fully solved in SeaMonkey 2.53.1, and 
there is a risk of losing passwords and certificates if the master 
password is not removed before migrating (even if intending to enter it 
during the first session, interruptions/crashes/hangs/power outages can 
happen).  Removing the master password first, as recommended, is the 
easy and safe option.


- There doesn't seem to be any problem setting a master password in 
2.53.1 once the profile has been converted.  Having done so, I assume 
it is actually encrypting the saved passwords (though it would be good 
to have that confirmed).


Yes and hopefully with better encryption.


Great, thanks for confirming that.

I will, of course, be backing up my profile before upgrading SeaMonkey 
on my live system!


That is really recommended.


Having a backup has got me out of a few issues before.  Usually all goes 
well, but it's better to be safe.  I don't usually go as far as testing 
it in a VM, but this time wanted to check that I wouldn't lose all the 
saved passwords by deleting key3.db and cert8.db (and having taken the 
time to set that up, figured I may as well experiment with a few more 
risky options).


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Re: Lightning 'Events and..' menu item gone

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Rick & Sharon wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
It seems that for some reason the bundled version doesn't get 
installed for some people.  It sounds like you've uninstalled the 
incompatible version of Lightning, but try the about:config edit.  I 
think the one to reset for Lightning is 
"extensions.installedDistroAddon.{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}".


Thanks, Mark, that 'reset' trick worked.  All the items under that 
config area are showing boolean 'true' which I took to mean 'enabled', 
but using the Reset context-menu action cleared it back to default, and 
now all is well again.


I think it indicates that the distributed (bundled) extension has 
previously been installed in the profile, so it doesn't get installed 
again if you manually remove it.  Otherwise SeaMonkey can't tell whether 
the bundled extension is missing from your profile because it was never 
installed or because it had been but you deliberately removed it.  In 
this case, you want the bundled extension to be reinstalled, so need to 
reset the flag.


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Re: No empty master password allowed in FIPS Software Security Device

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Steve Dunn wrote:

On 2020-03-05 15:17, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
Check the password manager in the upgraded install. At least until 
recently this didn't work.


I tested only on Windows and left the new password blank e.g no chars 
entered. This worked fine for me.


 Can a master password be set after the upgrade has been completed, 
or must all saved passwords be left insecure until whenever this bug is 
fixed?  The release notes don't actually say - they just say you have to 
remove the master password before upgrading and them delete two files 
with unencrypted passwords in them after upgrading.


The way I interpret it is not that it's a bug, but that the format of 
the files is changed in the new version and can't be converted on first 
use of the new version if a master password is set.


Having experimented with upgrading from 2.49.5 to 2.53.1 in a Linux Mint 
VM today...


- Deleting key3.db and cert8.db doesn't seem to result in losing any 
data (I wasn't sure just reading the release notes).  On first start, 
2.53.1 creates two new files key4.db and cert9.db, presumably containing 
the same data but in the new format.  The upgrade seems to remove the 
old key3.db anyway, and deleting cert8.db doesn't seem to lose anything 
(all my saved passwords are still there, and nothing noticeably missing 
from the Certificate Manager).


- There doesn't seem to be any problem setting a master password in 
2.53.1 once the profile has been converted.  Having done so, I assume it 
is actually encrypting the saved passwords (though it would be good to 
have that confirmed).


- I also tried just starting the new version without first removing the 
master password in 2.49.5 (against the advice of the release notes).  As 
others have mentioned, that also seemed to work fine - provided you 
enter the master password when prompted on first starting 2.53.1.  If 
you cancel that prompt and exit SeaMonkey, next time there is no prompt 
for the master password and all the passwords are gone!  I wouldn't 
recommend going against the advice of the release notes though; this was 
just out of interest, working with a copy of my profile which I didn't 
mind trashing.  Although it seemed to work for me, there might be some 
issue I haven't noticed, and for all I know it might also depend on the 
OS, exactly which version the upgrade is from, installed extensions, 
configuration settings, the day of the week...


I will, of course, be backing up my profile before upgrading SeaMonkey 
on my live system!


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Re: Lightning 'Events and..' menu item gone

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Rick & Sharon wrote:

A long-time Netscape/Mozilla/SeaMonkey user, but not a web developer.

Recently installed 2.53.1, and all bookmarks/tab and emails/subfolders 
are in place.  However, my previous install of 2.49.x had Lightning 
installed, so I had the 'Events and..' menu bar item visible, to select 
calendar from, etc.  It is no longer displaying.   It's not just 
invisible and taking up space, it's not on the menu bar at all.


My install was performed while a real-time backup tool was also running, 
which has a job assigned to keep my profile info updated, as it changes. 
  Hoping this was a minor hiccup, I restarted the PC, killed the backup 
software and re-ran the installer.  No errors, but still no Lightning 
module items.


My profile folder still contains a 'calendar-data' subfolder, and there 
are 3 sqlite database files inside.  Looking at the Add-ons Mgr screen, 
there was an entry for a version of Lightning that was never removed but 
marked as incompatible, so I uninstalled that and re-tried the new 
installer once more.  No joy.


Everything appears to work normally, other than my inability to utilize 
the Lightning components that have been included in this distribution.


Any suggestions on how to at least regain access to the menus for 
Lightning?


See under "Known Issues" in the release notes at 
:

Lightning or one of the distributed extensions is not showing up or is disabled 
under Add-ons.
If the extension is disabled and can not be enabled deinstall it. If it does 
not show up after restart do the following:
* Enter "about:config" in the location bar.
* Enter "extensions.installedDistroAddon" in the search field.
* Reset the key of the extension not showing up using the popup menu with the 
mouse. If in doubt just reset all keys, but this might bring back previously 
uninstalled distributed Add-ons.
* Restart SeaMonkey.


It seems that for some reason the bundled version doesn't get installed 
for some people.  It sounds like you've uninstalled the incompatible 
version of Lightning, but try the about:config edit.  I think the one to 
reset for Lightning is 
"extensions.installedDistroAddon.{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}".


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Re: size of profile

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alexyu wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote, on 01 Feb 20 16:19:


alexyu wrote:


NFN Smith wrote, on 31 jan 20 13:44:
For me, one minor annoyance is that there's no way of discarding 
graphical content that's embedded in a message body.




Frequently, you can get rid of such content using this option:

View / Message Body As / All Body Parts

That way, items which are not considered "attachments" can be still 
'deleted' (or perhaps 'detached'), and then you can compact the message.


I'm intrigued, since I occasionally want to do similar (even more 
occasionally, in extreme cases, I've resorted to manually editing the 
mailbox file).  However, on SeaMonkey 2.49.5, the only options I see 
under View / Message Body As are Original HTML, Simple HTML and Plain 
Text.  Is "All Body Parts" a new addition in 2.53 or perhaps added by 
an extension?


It's been a part of SM for a long time, but it's not a default.
In 'about:config', just set: "mailnews.display.show_all_body_parts_menu" 
to 'true'.


All these years and I didn't know about that one.  Thanks for that.  I 
just happened to have need to do this again.  Enabling that option and 
deleting the "attachment" for an inline image has exactly the same 
effect as what I'd done manually a few times - but much quicker, easier 
and less error-prone!  I'd even been manually tweaking the MIME parts 
for the deleted images so that they show up as "Deleted: ..." in the 
attachments list like normal deleted attachments do.


To edit messages' headers, or even their full source, there is an 
extension:


"Header Tools Lite", by Paolo "Kaosmos"


That could be useful on the odd occasion.  I don't often want to edit 
existing messages other than to delete large attachments - which take 
less space saved as separate files and avoids huge mailbox files.


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Re: Twitter will not show any pictures

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RainerBielefeldNG wrote:

Hi,

since today my unofficial (by wg9s) De SeaMonkey 2.53.2 beta 1 pre 
Mozilla/5.0  (NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 
Build 20200131130001  (Default Classic Theme, newly created User 
Profile) on German WIN7 64bit

has stopped to show Pictures on Twitter:


a) Other Web pages not affected, Imgur, Instagram, ... work without 
problems


b) Related to my SeaMonkey User Profile. Using a different User Profile 
the problem isnot visible.


c) Not related to my Twitter Profile: Using different Twitter Profile 
does not heal the problem


d) Safe Mode does not help.

e) Error console shows many Errors

and Warnings


No Errors shown in different SM User Profile


f) 
contains one of the very few pictures which will work

g) also happens with older 2.53 SM versions, also 32 bit.

I am helpless. Any ideas from your side?


A few thoughts, which may or may not help...

Make sure you're not blocking images or JavaScript from twitter.com or 
twimg.com (check for site-specific permissions in the Data Manager and 
any ad/script-blocking add-ons, as well as the global preferences).


Try deleting any cookies for twitter.com and twimg.com.  I've 
occasionally had sites break after something is updated at their end, 
but only if you have cookies which were set by their old version - it 
works if there are no cookies to start with (so they think there's no 
problem, since it all works fine from a clean state).


It might also be worth clearing the cache, in case you're picking up an 
old cached version of one of their scripts.


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Re: size of profile

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alexyu wrote:

NFN Smith wrote, on 31 jan 20 13:44:
For me, one minor annoyance is that there's no way of discarding 
graphical content that's embedded in a message body.




Frequently, you can get rid of such content using this option:

View / Message Body As / All Body Parts

That way, items which are not considered "attachments" can be still 
'deleted' (or perhaps 'detached'), and then you can compact the message.


I'm intrigued, since I occasionally want to do similar (even more 
occasionally, in extreme cases, I've resorted to manually editing the 
mailbox file).  However, on SeaMonkey 2.49.5, the only options I see 
under View / Message Body As are Original HTML, Simple HTML and Plain 
Text.  Is "All Body Parts" a new addition in 2.53 or perhaps added by an 
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Re: Is this a SM effect or Windows ?

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DoctorBill wrote:
My Browser (SM using Windows 7) is working VERY slowlyessentially 
stops.


So I started the Task Manager and found a LONG LIST of 'stuff' running
in the background !   Junk unrelated to what should be there !
No viruses or Malware found with Malaware Bytes.

What could cause my system to load up 20 or 30 'programs' to be loaded ?


There are two tabs on Windows' Task Manager which show running "stuff". 
Which are you looking at?  The first tab is "Applications" which just 
shows the main visible applications you use, and is usually quite a 
short list unless you're aware you're running a lot of applications. 
The second is "Processes" which shows all the background services and 
other processes which are running.  There can be a surprising number 
even when you're seemingly not doing anything, and even more if you tick 
the box to show processes from all users (a freshly installed VM is 
showing around 8 processes under my account and 35 in total).  They're 
not necessarily a problem unless they're using a lot of CPU or memory or 
accessing the disk or network a lot.



If this is not SM related, is there a Windows 7 "News Group" I could ask ?


There used to be newsgroups for Windows (and other MS products) at 
msnews.microsoft.com.  I'm not certain, but I have a feeling they did 
away with the news server some time back, and it's all web forums now 
(e.g. )


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Re: Problem following links if JavaScript enabled

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Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm running SeaMonkey version 2.49.4 [Build identifier: 20180711182954]
under Debian 9.8 [Stretch]

I routinely surf with JavaScript disabled without problems.

I have problems following *ANY* link from https://manpages.debian.org/
*IF AND ONLY IF* JavaScript is enabled.

The symptoms are:
   1. Destination link is promptly displayed in URL bar.
   2. The page never loads/displays.


I see the same, but only if the link is opened in a new tab.  Just 
clicking the link (to open in the same tab) or opening in a new window 
works.  Opening in a new tab (either via context menu, Ctrl+click or 
middle-click) behaves as you describe.  Attempting to reload the page 
doesn't help, but clicking in the address bar and pressing "Enter" does 
load the page.


Having opened in a new tab, attempting to view the page source has 
"Source of: wyciwyg://14/https://manpages.debian.org/...; in the title 
bar - truncation is mine, but the "wyciwyg://14/" looks odd.


Viewing source of a successfully loaded page shows "Source of: 
https://manpages.debian.org/...; as would be expected.



Is this a:
  1. site problem?
  2. SeaMonkey failure?
  3. an unidentified local problem?

Suggestions?


Not sure.  The presence of "wyciwyg" in the page source when it's 
failing to load looks like it could be some interaction between caching 
and something JavaScript is doing on those pages.


I'm using SeaMonkey 2.49.5 on Linux Mint.

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Re: Highly Confusing "Print To File" - Where does it go ?

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DoctorBill wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

I am asking here because a Google Search brought up implications that
this is a specific Browser thing and not applicable to Windows 
(7).(?)


Some applications provide their own options for exporting to PDF.  From 
a quick search it looks like Google's Chrome browser has such an option 
integrated with it's "Print" menu (I don't have it installed to check), 
so that's probably what claims that it's a browser-specific feature are 
based on.


The "print to file" option you describe is a Windows feature.  As others 
have mentioned, that basically just saves the data which would have been 
sent to the printer, which is usually in a printer-specific proprietary 
format and not really much use for anything.



I was on my wife's Health Insurance web site (Fidelity) and found her
"Claims Activity" link.   That goes to a HUGE List (she had cancer) which
has a "Print" button.  Clicking THAT sends me to the print Options.
One "Option" is  - PRINT TO FILE.
Here is the problem . . . . . WHERE does the file get printed to ?
NO choices are given to place - just File Name

Looking for information on this on Google just brings up ALL SORTS of
Gobble-De-Gook !  One opinion after another !   Mostly rubbish.

Searching for the file name gets me no-where !

Can someone point me in the right direction ?  I know it is OFF TOPIC.
Sorry for that !

DoctorBill

.
This is Posted AFTER I fingered out how to do what I want on THIS 
Windows 7 machine.

Most of the answers did not apply to what I am experiencing HERE.


It looks like there was initially a lot of confusion with differences 
between Linux and Windows!  The "Print" dialog of the GTK library used 
by some popular Linux applications provides a "Print to File" option to 
output to a PDF or Postscript file.  I think Windows 10 has a PDF 
virtual printer built in, which is seen by any application which can 
print as being just another printer.  Windows 7 doesn't have one built 
in (I'm not sure about Windows 8/8.1).


So - I looked up "Virtual Printers" on Google and found "Dopdf" - a FREE 
program to write
pdf files whan you check "Print to File".   I downloaded it and 
installed it.


Yep, that's the kind of thing you need for printing to PDF on Windows. 
Another I've used is CutePDF.


I've also used PDFCreator in the past, but that one's probably best 
avoided now - last time I looked it was making the bundled adware and 
browser toolbars more and more difficult to avoid.


When I went to my Wife's Health Insurance Web Site and went to the 
Claims Page,
I invoked the list of claims and clicked "Print This" and got the 
Windows 7 Print Menu.

I chose as the printer "doPDF" which was now on the list of printers.
I clicked "Save to File" and got that same LINE - 'File Name'.. to 
fill in.


With these virtual printers, it's not usually necessary to select "Save 
to File" since that's what it does anyway.  The virtual printer driver 
itself will prompt for the filename, usually with the normal file save 
dialog which makes it easier to browse directories, and often provides 
other options to control the output format.



I entered C:/mywifesclaimfile and hit enter.

The List I wanted was saved as a pdf to the C:/  (root)  directory.

IT WORKED !  Probably work the same way on Windows 10.


It would be similar, but I think Windows 10 already includes a PDF 
virtual printer so may not be necessary to install one first.  You 
probably still can though, if another one provides features you want 
which aren't included in the built-in one.


So.I fingered all this out myself.    Just had to educate myself (I 
have a PhD in Biochemistry) so I know how to do research - that's what a 
PhD Degree means.


Thanks for the journey together guys !

DoctorBill


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Re: dotted emails

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Klaus Weber wrote on 22/11/2019 2:18 AM:

Yes, I have a lot of two copies of one email in the 'Sent' folder.

Klaus


Is your 'Sent' folder on an IMAP server?

If so, it might be that both SeaMonkey and your mail provider are both 
storing a copy of emails you send there.  If SeaMonkey is configured to 
store a copy there (under Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings), it would 
do so when you send an email from SeaMonkey.  Some mail providers put a 
copy of emails you send via their outgoing (SMTP) server in a 'Sent' 
folder.  So if both are storing a copy in the same folder on an IMAP 
server, you'd end up with two copies of every email you send from 
SeaMonkey Mail via their outgoing server.


You could disable SeaMonkey storing a copy for that account, and just 
rely on your mail provider saving emails you send in your 'Sent' folder. 
 But then you might not get a copy saved if for any reason you send an 
email via a different outgoing server (may not be a concern if you never 
do that).  You'd also be relying on your mail provider continuing to 
store a copy - if they stop doing it, you wouldn't get copies saved 
until you notice and re-enable SeaMonkey storing them.


Your mail provider might also provide an option to disable saving a copy 
from their side.  But then you might not get a copy saved if you use 
webmail or a different mail client (again, may not be a concern if you 
never do that).


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Re: Question marks

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Frog wrote:
I have been informed that my messages sometimes include a series of 
??.  I'm not sure why this happening and if in fact is is me or 
something going on with the recipient computer.  It has been suggested 
to me that it has to do with two different operating systems being 
involved in the process (Microsoft and Apple).  Any thoughts how this is 
happening and how I can stop the ?? would be appreciated.


There was something similar on a thread titled "Invalid Characters" 
starting 16th August 2019.  Possibly related to incorrect handling by 
Verizon/AOL/Yahoo (and others in the same group) SMTP servers.


Suggestion from Nuno Silva on that thread:

Try setting (for example, in about:config) the mail.strictly_mime
preference to true, which, if I understand correctly, will make
Mail use quoted-printable for outgoing messages.


I've noticed extra "?"s in email from my father, using Thunderbird to 
send through AOL, so need to see if that fix works for him... but I 
haven't got around to trying it yet.


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Re: Re[plying to message here got me an email from the "The fork"

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Ray Davison wrote:

At 10/23/2019 11:22 AM I replied to "Google search messed up".

At 10/23/2019 11:25 AM I got the email below.

What does "TheFork, a TripAdvisor Company" have to do with "Google 
search messed up"?


I've had similar following the last few messages I've sent to the list. 
It looks like "The Fork" (whoever they are) have got a helpdesk system 
which automatically responds to every email it receives, assigning a 
reference number for the request, and for some reason the email address 
for that is subscribed to the SeaMonkey mailing list.


I'm not sure if anyone can forcibly remove it from the mailing list, or 
we just have to wait until they get fed up of all the tickets being 
raised on their system and unsubscribe it...


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gContactSync 2.1.13 breaks SeaMonkey 2.49.5 address book manager

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In case it catches anyone else out, I've just found that version 2.1.13 
of the gContactSync extension breaks the Address Book component in 
SeaMonkey 2.49.5 (may also affect previous SeaMonkey versions - I've 
only tried with 2.49.5).


With gContactSync 2.1.13 installed, the Address Book component (Window > 
Address Book, Ctrl+5, or icon on the status bar) doesn't show any 
address books.  However, when composing an email, existing address books 
are still shown in "Select Addresses" and are picked up by address 
autocompletion.


Reverting to gContactSync 2.0.13 restored the address books in Address 
Book manager as well.


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Re: Keyboard shortcuts do not work in OnlyOffice documents

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Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hi,

in August a strange effect started for me using SeaMonkey to edit 
Onlyoffice cloud documents:


Instead of doing the appropriate function, a character will be typed.

Example: Click cell in spreadsheet and then  for "copy"
Expected: cell contents -> Clipboard
Actual: "c" typed into cell.

Workarounds:
a) FF User String activated with UserAgent Switcher addon
b) Newly created user profile.

More details and sample document:
https://cloud.onlyoffice.org/viewtopic.php?f=16=16080=25083#p25083

Any idea where in my User Profile the reasons for the problem might be 
hidden?


I can confirm the same behaviour.  "Advertise Firefox Compatibility" 
seems to be what makes the difference.  It's enabled in a new profile, 
but not in my usual profile.  So another case of dodgy browser detection 
on the website's part.  Presumably they changed something around August 
which introduced the problem.


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Re: I'm scared

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crogonint wrote:

Ok, I spent a LOT. LOT.. or time hacking these add-ons and getting them all to 
work in current version SeaMonkey. I think the couple of tiny updates might 
have mucked up a couple of them, but I am petrified that if I do this update to 
x64, I might hopelessly break any of them that I NEED, that can't be found in 
current browsers.

Can any of you sages look at this list and give me an educated guess on whether 
or not they'll still work in the new update and/or after I uninstall / install 
the x64 version? (My GreaseMonkey scripts are for third party websites, not 
terribly concerned about the scripts..if the engine will still work.

Application: SeaMonkey 2.49.4 (20180713174829)
Operating System: WINNT (x86-msvc)


I don't use many extensions, so can't help with most of them. However...


- DOM Inspector 2.0.17.1 (Disabled)


You may not need the DOM Inspector extension. Tools > Web Development > 
Toggle Tools opens a panel of several tools at the bottom of the window 
which provide a lot of the features DOM Inspector does (and more). Most 
obviously the "Inspector" tab, but from memory I think DOM Inspector 
also allowed inspection of styles and JavaScript, which are on the 
"Style Editor" and "Debugger" tabs of the Web Development Tools.



- Lightning 5.4


I haven't got around to installing 2.49.5 yet, but I believe it's 
supposed to include the appropriate version of Lightning so you no 
longer need to install it separately. If it doesn't work, it may be due 
to the older version still being installed in your profile - see 
"Lightning or one of the distributed extensions is not showing up or is 
disabled under Add-ons" under "Known Issues" in the release notes for 
the solution.



- Live HTTP headers 0.17 (Disabled)


Again, the Web Development Tools included in recent versions might 
provide what you need, in this case on the "Network" tab.



- NoScript 5.1.8.4


I believe a non-WebExtension version of NoScript is still being 
maintained, available from .


Hope that helps, at least for these few.

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SeaMonkey website certificate expired

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It looks like the certificate for  
has expired:

Technical Details
www.seamonkey-project.org uses an invalid security certificate.
The certificate expired on 12/09/19 13:00. The current time is 12/09/19 19:21.
Error code: SEC_ERROR_EXPIRED_CERTIFICATE


Looks like someone else has already reported this on Bugzilla 1580858:


And SeaMonkey doesn't allow an exception to load the page anyway, since 
the site uses HSTS.


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Re: Site-specific UA -- is it working?

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On 9/5/2019 9:02 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Based on info received here, I created a user.js (never had one before)
so I could pass a different UA to one particular problem site. But I
can't tell if it's working. Is there a way to confirm that the site's
getting what I'm feeding it? Help | About just reports the standard UA.

I placed the file here:
C:\Users\(Windows
Username)\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\(profilename).default\


The part you've replaced with "(profilename)" is usually just random. 
The "default" part is typically what you see as the name in profile 
manager. If you've never created additional profiles there's probably 
only the one default directory there anyway, but just mentioning in case 
not.



And here's the content, did I get it right?

# Mozilla User Preferences

user_pref("general.useragent.override.viki.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows
NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0");


As a quick check that you've correctly edited the correct file:
- From within SeaMonkey open  and accept the warning
- Type "override" in the search box at the top
- Does your override preference show up there?

Personally I don't usually bother with directly editing the prefs files, 
and just update them via about:config. There are pros and cons though, 
so whichever way you prefer is fine.


David E. Ross wrote:

1.  Go to the Web site of your concern.

2.  With the Web page for the site still in SeaMonkey's window, on the
SeaMonkey menu bar, select [Help > About SeaMonkey] or [Help >
Troubleshooting Information].

Either of those will display your current user agent string.


I don't think that picks up site-specific overrides. Certainly for me, 
if I go to a site for which I know the override is working (otherwise 
the site doesn't render correctly), both of those still show my default UA.



A more complicated method involves installing the "Live HTTP headers"
extension and capturing the headers sent (and also received) when you go
to the site.


There's not really any need for the extension any more, since similar 
functionality is built in:
- Go to Tools > Web Development > Toggle Tools; the tools open at the 
bottom of the window

- Select the "Network" tab
- Load (or reload) the target page (viki.com)
- Select the top request in the list on the left of the "Network" tab
- The request and response headers are listed on the "Headers" tab on 
the right
- Check the "User-Agent" request header; if your override works you 
should see that string (with no mention of SeaMonkey), otherwise you'll 
see the default one with the SeaMonkey version


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Re: Bug 1525528 Dead Link on "SeaMonkey Documentation" 

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Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hello,

anybody here who can tell to where the linked contents mentioned in



has been moved?


It seems to be available at:

(change www.mozilla.org to www-archive.mozilla.org)

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Re: Thread display in mail/news -- _NOT a bug_, just an annoying feature

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Richard Owlett wrote:
Not only is it a feature, but typically a feature  desired by most users 
most of the time [EVEN me ;].


I make heavy use of customized tags (currently ~50). One frequent tag 
indicates that the thread's content is of long term interest (tag title 
is "my quest"). My default view is "my quest" OR "unread".


If View: is set to "All", the thread pane displays one line per thread 
colored to match the highest priority tag in that thread.

Otherwise the thread pane displays one line per message in it's tag color.
Excellent choice *USUALLY* ;/

However I'm subscribed to several large mailing list (the general list 
for my OS of choice is currently >100k posts of which ~1k satisfy

{"my quest" OR "unread"}.
I would like those threads to be displayed as one line per thread 
colored to match the highest priority tag in that thread.


As far as I can tell trying out a couple of the default views (View > 
Messages > Tags > Personal and View > Messages > Custom Views > Recent 
Mail), it does still show them as threaded. If not, you may be able to 
set that at View > Sort by > Threaded. However, all threads are 
initially expanded to show all the messages. View > Threads > Collapse 
All Threads (or "\" on the keyboard) collapses each thread to a single 
line. Does that work for your custom view?


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