Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
Jens Hatlak wrote: me2 wrote: BTW, who decided the old form manger wasn't needed/used/wanted? The Firefox developers. To be fair, they made that decision for Firefox only. When SeaMonkey made the switch to the common back-end (Toolkit) this is what we got. The old form manager would have had to be reimplemented in the new environment but obviously that didn't happen. Even if someone stepped up to do the work now I don't know whether the old form manager behavior would be accepted for inclusion in newer SeaMonkey versions. Unless someone tries I guess it won't ever happen. But of course there's always the possibility that someone develops an extension that implements something similar. Greetings, Jens Odds are the developer in charge of it at FireFox said to him self , people don't use this anyway do we even need it. You could acquire the code for the Forms history extension and included it already built in as you do ChatZilla, JavaScript Debugger, and DOM inspector. If you don't want to be bothered with actually developing one. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
send a reply sometimes keeps show progress bar after item sent and copy finished.
On occasion I find that after clicking send for a reply or new message Progress bar still indicates sending and not says Copy finished (a copy has been copied to my sent folder). can dismiss the window the message has been copied and I find my post has been sent. Does not happen on every message. Suggestions SM2 Mac OSX.4.11 1MB DSL Up download speed. PB 17 1,67GB Processor. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newsgrops problem with seamonkey 2.0
Rainer Bielefeld wrote: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528192 See Comment I just added to your bug. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newsgrops problem with seamonkey 2.0
Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Rainer Bielefeld schrieb: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528192 Hi, please excuse me for my test posting. After I upgraded to 2.0 I was no longer able to post in the newsgroups, after I deleted my news.mozilla.org account and recreated it, everything works fine here (but my other news.individual.de account still does not work, it seems that I have to recreate it, too. CU Rainer Go to Mail and newsgroup setup from edit menu Click on edit when edit window make sure use secure log in is checked. I experienced the same thing on my Mac. I end up in this position after I manually removing the _msf_ files to newsgroups to clean up some strange problems (Massages being marked as read before I could get to read them and so on.). Its a bug once this is set it should not change for any reason unless you do so yourself So it applies to Mac as well as PC its not just a PC issue. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. Thank you in advance. :) Afraid so. won't even be any new security fixes. They should hashed out bugs for another 2 months. But SM 2 is here and this is what we have. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Save image As ... SM 2.0
JD wrote: Erwin Castellanos wrote: It's a bug? When I tried to save this image to my local hard drive, SM show me the Save Image dialog box but instead of the image's name, (file name) SM show url.html and Save as Type: SeaMonkey Document. But if I do Copy Image and paste it in paint by instance, it works. Here is the link for reference.: http://www.olcsobbat.hu/static/product_images/400x400/10002/1002351.jpg Is there a way to fix it or it's a bug in SM 2.0? When I right mouse click on the image you posted the link to, I get the Save Image dialog box and I can save it as a .jpg. I don't know why it's not working for you. Is this problem on a Mac or PC? ON Mac I can save image in jpeg(jpg), giff (gif), png, Pdf, and other formats. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Locatios in SM 2.x and Windows 7
R.S. Chandgie wrote: On the Mozilla/SM web site, The 'System Requirements' page lists Windows 7 as one of the operating systems for SM 2.x. However, nowhere on the site can I find where the default Profile Folder is installed. The locations are listed for other OS as follows: /This data is stored in your /profile folder/, which is located in one of the following locations depending on your operating system: / Windows Vista Users\UserName\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey Windows 2000, XP, Server 2003 Documents and Settings\UserName\Application Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey Mac OS X~/Library/Application Support/SeaMonkey Linux and Unix systems ~/.mozilla/seamonkey Can someone tell me where the Profile Folder is installed in Windows 7? SM 2.x will be installed on a new laptop that has no previous edition of SM on it. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Bob there is a a slight mistake in the Mac reference. There are three libraries, on Mac OSX. The main Library,is located when you first double click or open the hard drive. Then there is a Library located in Username (username being you gave as your account say you name for example or hoby, or whatever, example: JohnDoughe Library ) Then there is a Library in the System Folder. the proper library Should be Hard drive name/username/Application Support/SeaMonkey There actually is an Application support Directory in both the Main and user Libraries -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0
Hartmut Figge wrote: Bush: I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the TABS. I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences . Do I have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ? I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings: http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB) Hartmut That the exact settings I have and there is no tabs, I too despise to even look at tabs. And to beat it all SM has even added a tab bar for emails as well, what's up with that??? Tabs are a resource hog. everyone of those page snapshots if you will takes up memory. If you have one or two open , no big deal. But if you are over that, it eats away at memory. If I can save up to get one of those machines with 8-16GB of System RAM and fast SAT Drive. I might consider (I doubt it) looking at Tabs. But for now I want my windows to switch from one window to another and back -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newsgrops problem with seamonkey 2.0
Jens Hatlak wrote: Brian D. Symmes: Rainer Bielefeld wrote: please excuse me for my test posting. After I upgraded to 2.0 I was no longer able to post in the newsgroups Check that your default outgoing SMTP server matches the email address you are using to post with. Posting to a news server doesn't use SMTP, the news protocol NNTP handles that itself. Greetings, Jens Must be related some way - I had the same exact problem and only after editing the SMTP Server file to tick the check box on for use *secure authentication* was I able to post in to any newsgroups after I had closed down SM 2 and threw away all the MSF files and trashed them for any newsgroups I had. Now whether it supposed to have an affect/effect. I don't know. I just know if it unchecked I can't post to newsgroups as well -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Once Ya' go to FF 'n' TB, Ya' may, never go back!
Ant wrote: I prefer suite products since I always use e-mails and Web browser when using the Internet. As well as I. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Save image As ... SM 2.0
JD wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: JD wrote: Erwin Castellanos wrote: It's a bug? When I tried to save this image to my local hard drive, SM show me the Save Image dialog box but instead of the image's name, (file name) SM show url.html and Save as Type: SeaMonkey Document. But if I do Copy Image and paste it in paint by instance, it works. Here is the link for reference.: http://www.olcsobbat.hu/static/product_images/400x400/10002/1002351.jpg Is there a way to fix it or it's a bug in SM 2.0? When I right mouse click on the image you posted the link to, I get the Save Image dialog box and I can save it as a .jpg. I don't know why it's not working for you. Is this problem on a Mac or PC? ON Mac I can save image in jpeg(jpg), giff (gif), png, Pdf, and other formats. Wow, my SM2 is on a Windows XP (a PC) and the .jpg is the only option. I either miss read or miss-posted. jpegs will be saved as jpegs But I can also save other formats that come in in their format as well, png/png, gif/gif and so on sorry for confusion -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Richard wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation. Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the latter is the case. Phil So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3? Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that particular disastrous version. Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles? Probably 3.0.1.a gold. At that point we switched to Communicator. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Richard wrote: Rufus wrote: Richard wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation. Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the latter is the case. Phil So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3? Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that particular disastrous version. Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles? SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. Select Switch Profiles after opening SM 2.0, and you'll get the Profile Manager. Once you have more than one, it will come up by default at launch. I spent a week trying to recover my multiple profiles and eventually gave up, how can the developers of sm not see this as an issue and have something in the new version to take care of this? or at the very least warn users of this ISSUE and it is an issue, they really must be stupid. I take it the developers are either Linux users or act like Linux users such egg heads that they believe they are too smart for those of us unable to code! Well, I have sm at multiple sites and will certainly not be upgrading to ver2 and if I can find an alternate multi-profile system I will, even if it means moving to the dreaded ie engine permanently. You certainly won't find an all in on over in MS line. IE has never has an all in one even when it was IE 2 it was IE/OE both of which on the mac were worse than terrible. Opera has a Mail client built in I've never set it up. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. What makes you say that? As another reply to your post says, it still pops up when you have more than one profile. It has never popped up by default when you only have one. It doesn't pop up if there is only one. But, it does after you go to switch Profile. and create one. Then it will as long as there is more than just one Profile. Ages ago it would come up on start up you could then check a box and it would disappear forever until you want to create a new profile. The decided to hide it, but have it so you could get to it by going to switch profiles. It was several versions before this appeared, You had to use a work around to get to it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Ant wrote: On 11/15/2009 6:55 AM PT, Benoit Renard typed: Ant wrote: Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. SeaMonkey 1.1.18 is /not/ based on Firefox 2.0.0.20. It's not even based on Firefox. It's based on Gecko, and a newer version than the Gecko that shipped with Firefox 2.0.0.20, at that. That is what I am referring to. The same engine (Gecko) that Firefox 2.0.0.20. SM2 is based on the Gecko 1.9.1 engine that is in the 3.5.x series of FireFox and possible the 3 version of TB for the mail and news I haven't installed TB on this Machine since I had to replace the HD on this computer. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 1.8 look on SM 2.0
Claude Duvergier wrote: I think he wants the opposite : SeaMonkey Default Theme SeaMonkey 2.0 is now natively using SeaMonkey Modern Actually the default theme has been vastly changed to as what can best be described as Playschool eye candy, and if you using the Mac version the Grippies functions have been removed because supposedly it went against some edict from apple as to how the GUI should look like. Check with https://www.projectit.com/. he has some seriously great themes that both have Grippies Function and and looks decent. https://www.projectit.com/ The developers Name or (Nick Name) is Sailfish. One great looking Theme is SkyPilot. if you don't mind Quote Colors not functioning Correctly. Of Course I haven't tried it with QuoteColors since QuoteColors had come out of Beta and now at version .0.3 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0
Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Bush: I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the TABS. I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences . Do I have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ? I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings: http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB) Hartmut Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I never saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still have the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup. Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the end with 9. Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it, as dd every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am not sure where you are coming from on that one. If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed browsing since its inception as Phoenix. The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise you as to how to avoid it. Lee Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot. send me your email address and I'll show where its not needed -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0
Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Bush: I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the TABS. I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences . Do I have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ? I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings: http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB) Hartmut Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I never saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still have the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup. Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the end with 9. Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it, as dd every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am not sure where you are coming from on that one. If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed browsing since its inception as Phoenix. The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise you as to how to avoid it. Lee Once place its not needed is in mail and news. if don't show tabs if one window is open is not ticked (in Tabbed browsing) a Tab shows up in mail or new I have a screen shot to document it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0
Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Bush: I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the TABS. I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences . Do I have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ? I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings: http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB) Hartmut Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I never saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still have the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup. Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the end with 9. Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it, as dd every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am not sure where you are coming from on that one. If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed browsing since its inception as Phoenix. The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise you as to how to avoid it. Lee Once place its not needed is in mail and news. if don't show tabs if one window is open is not ticked (in Tabbed browsing) a Tab shows up in mail or new I have a screen shot to document it. The implementation does not seem to be there yet, but when it is working correctly, I would certainly like the ability to messages in tabs in Mail/News. For example, viewing a post, then a reply to it in a tab, particularly when the original is snipped drastically. Then again, I can't imagine functioning without tabs in the browser either. I think the advice is the same in either case, just don't use them. My question was, when is a tab opening that you don't want to open? I can open a message in a new tab by middle clicking it. I can open in a new window, (which I never do) by double clicking it, just as 1.1.18 always behaved. Just because the application has a new feature, which I think many will value, doesn't mean that you have to use it if it doesn't work for you. Lee Different Strokes for Different Folks. I can't imagine using Tabs. The concept is as foreign to me as walking around on the moon. And as useless as it is to me in the browser, its absolute nonsense in mail and news. I have enough trouble concentrating on one thing at the time, having to deal with all the tabs I just not as hip as you young folks. At 60 am getting close to being over the hill. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0
Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Bush: I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the TABS. I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences . Do I have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ? I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings: http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB) Hartmut Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I never saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still have the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup. Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the end with 9. Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it, as dd every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am not sure where you are coming from on that one. If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed browsing since its inception as Phoenix. The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise you as to how to avoid it. Lee Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot. send me your email address and I'll show where its not needed Phillip, you have a web site. Why not upload your screenshot to that space, and then link to it? Lee Okay: http://www.phillipmjones.net/NoTabs.png BTW: I've converted most of my html pages to XHTML (XML) 1.0.i Transitional and as far as I can tell those that have been converted do not have any errors. checked through DreamWeaver 8 (yes can't afford the price of update to CS 4, for now) and I've used the code error check built into iCab I am not say everything is perfect but I am working on it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0
Bush wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Bush: I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the TABS. I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences . Do I have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ? I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings: http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB) Hartmut Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I never saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still have the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup. Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the end with 9. Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it, as dd every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am not sure where you are coming from on that one. If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed browsing since its inception as Phoenix. The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise you as to how to avoid it. Lee Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot. send me your email address and I'll show where its not needed Have you tried to get a Free Photobucket Account? I started this post ( subject) And Have come to relize that a select Few like TABS and will defend the fact That 2.0 WILL NOT let you disable Tabs.. Prior to 2.0 Tabs could be Turned off. The 2.0 Tab Turn off in Preference Just Does Not Work, Is This A BUG to Report ? Is this A Bug only with Windows 7 users ? Must be a Windows Bug , Because clicking on hide tab bar if only one page open does hide the tab Bar. But then you have to also click Link open behavior in new window, and links for other applications in New windows. But even then on rare occasions even if you set to windows rather than tabs something will open in a Tab. when they do that I immediately quit that link. One place that this happens is when you install a new version of SM, FF it will always open the You have just load the latest version ... Page in a new tab. despite having set for use existing window. Its as if they are trying to say ... look what tabs look like you bunch of dummies that use windows. Its always been this way since the first mozilla program started with tabs. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SOLVED: Composing in HTML For a Single Message -- 2.0
Bill Davidsen wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Arnie Goetchius wrote: The procedure for composing in HTML for a single message (as opposed to all messages) appears to have changed from 1.1.x. However, the 2.0 Help file still refers to 1.1.x procedures as follows: If while composing a message you realize that one or more recipients may not be able to receive HTML-formatted mail, you can easily convert the message to a different format when you click Send: 1. In the Compose window, open the Options menu and choose Format. 2. Select the format you want to use for sending the message from the submenu: ===snipped That procedure no longer applies to 2.0 as there is no Format in the Options menu in 2.0. Wrong. The part you quoted from Help refers to the case where you are composing an HTML mail. In that case there *is* a Format option under Options and it allows you to change the format of the outgoing mail. It has been like that in SM 1.0, SM 1.1 and it is still like that in SM 2.0. Yes, that misfeature is still with us. People who start in HTML are allowed to change, people who get started in text get to start all over, the option to correct the format is not offered in text mode, and sending in text mode to someone marked as wants HTML doesn't get a useful box to pop up and let you decide. To compose in HTML for a single message, click on the down arrow to the right of the Compose icon. There you will be given the option of composing the current message in plain text or HTML Correct, this option is new. However, it does not replace the other option, it is just a new alternative. Greetings, Jens The way its setup now in SM2 if you have set to Plain Text in a newsgroup you can only post in Plain Text. If you set for HTML you can post either in HTML or Plaintext you'd switch just by holding Shift key down (Mac) to swap to other format. In Email you swap one to the other regardless of which format you in. I suspect because most people here hate worth a passion HTML it was built in not to be able to toggle to HTM if set to Plain text. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: can no longer post in newsgroups
Keith Whaley wrote: Daniel wrote: Alex Strickland wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Rainer Bielefeld: snip When I tried to post a saved newsgroup post that was in drafts, I got a message: This account only supports e-mail recipients. Continuing will ignore newsgroups I wonder if this may help shed some light on the original problem. Regards Alex When a saved message is stored in drafts, which account is the drafts folder on?? My SM 1.1.15 was giving the same sort of message, then I realised that when I saved a message as a draft, it was being saved in the drafts folder of my E-mail account. An email account cannot post using NNTP. Daniel I have a Mac, my SM vers. is 1.1.18, and my Drafts folder is in my Home folder. keith whaley I get this message also. I didn't use to make a difference if it was in Drafts folder in your email you could save a Draft and send it from that folder. there is no Drafts folder news groups and you can't make a sub folder in newsgroups which is what the Drafts folder is. And what if defaults to when setting up. I too, use a Mac. Would using Local Folder allow saving a Draft that could be sent to news?? -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0
Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Bush: I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the TABS. I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences . Do I have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ? I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings: http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB) Hartmut Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I never saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still have the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup. Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the end with 9. Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it, as dd every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am not sure where you are coming from on that one. If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed browsing since its inception as Phoenix. The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise you as to how to avoid it. Lee Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot. send me your email address and I'll show where its not needed Phillip, you have a web site. Why not upload your screenshot to that space, and then link to it? Lee Okay: http://www.phillipmjones.net/NoTabs.png BTW: I've converted most of my html pages to XHTML (XML) 1.0.i Transitional and as far as I can tell those that have been converted do not have any errors. checked through DreamWeaver 8 (yes can't afford the price of update to CS 4, for now) and I've used the code error check built into iCab I am not say everything is perfect but I am working on it. What is this screenshot supposed to show? I see a Mail/News window with no tabs open. How does it relate to the problem of not wanting tabs in Mail/News? Lee Didn't you see the tab bar above the Subject?? -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0
Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Bush: I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the TABS. I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences . Do I have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ? I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings: http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB) Hartmut Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I never saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still have the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup. Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the end with 9. Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it, as dd every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am not sure where you are coming from on that one. If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed browsing since its inception as Phoenix. The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise you as to how to avoid it. Lee Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot. send me your email address and I'll show where its not needed Phillip, you have a web site. Why not upload your screenshot to that space, and then link to it? Lee Okay: http://www.phillipmjones.net/NoTabs.png BTW: I've converted most of my html pages to XHTML (XML) 1.0.i Transitional and as far as I can tell those that have been converted do not have any errors. checked through DreamWeaver 8 (yes can't afford the price of update to CS 4, for now) and I've used the code error check built into iCab I am not say everything is perfect but I am working on it. What is this screenshot supposed to show? I see a Mail/News window with no tabs open. How does it relate to the problem of not wanting tabs in Mail/News? Lee I've Drawn an arrow to point out the tab. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0
Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote: Bush wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Bush: I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the TABS. I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences . Do I have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ? I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings: http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB) Hartmut Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I never saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still have the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup. Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the end with 9. Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it, as dd every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am not sure where you are coming from on that one. If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed browsing since its inception as Phoenix. The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise you as to how to avoid it. Lee Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot. send me your email address and I'll show where its not needed Phillip, you have a web site. Why not upload your screenshot to that space, and then link to it? Lee Okay: http://www.phillipmjones.net/NoTabs.png with Yahoo Widgets easily BTW: I've converted most of my html pages to XHTML (XML) 1.0.i Transitional and as far as I can tell those that have been converted do not have any errors. checked through DreamWeaver 8 (yes can't afford the price of update to CS 4, for now) and I've used the code error check built into iCab I am not say everything is perfect but I am working on it. What is this screenshot supposed to show? I see a Mail/News window with no tabs open. How does it relate to the problem of not wanting tabs in Mail/News? Lee I see a Tab Bar above the message , So why is Tabs available in MAIL ? and for What Reason. to enable opening messages in other full-size-tabs, while retaining the current-window opened in the first-tab, plus the Lightning's calendar-window-tab and Tasks-window-tab use a couple of tabs (if you load the lightning extension into the Add-ons manager). I don't use Lightning. I use a Yahoo Calendar and a Google Calendar and I can get them with Yahoo widgets easily. And I have enough of a problem with concentrating on one message at a time. You folks must toss and turn at night dreaming up useless features. :/ -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0
JAS wrote: Bush wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Bush: I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the TABS. I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences . Do I have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ? I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings: http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB) Hartmut Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I never saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still have the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup. Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the end with 9. Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it, as dd every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am not sure where you are coming from on that one. If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed browsing since its inception as Phoenix. The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise you as to how to avoid it. Lee Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot. send me your email address and I'll show where its not needed Phillip, you have a web site. Why not upload your screenshot to that space, and then link to it? Lee Okay: http://www.phillipmjones.net/NoTabs.png BTW: I've converted most of my html pages to XHTML (XML) 1.0.i Transitional and as far as I can tell those that have been converted do not have any errors. checked through DreamWeaver 8 (yes can't afford the price of update to CS 4, for now) and I've used the code error check built into iCab I am not say everything is perfect but I am working on it. What is this screenshot supposed to show? I see a Mail/News window with no tabs open. How does it relate to the problem of not wanting tabs in Mail/News? Lee I see a Tab Bar above the message , So why is Tabs available in MAIL ? and for What Reason. I find it very useful as I have Lightning's calendar loaded and if I choose to invoke it I can toggle between my mail or my calendar and in my browser I never open a new window just a new tab, much handier in MY opinion. We all have our preferences, there is a lot of things I use and many I do not but I do not insist that those I do not use be taken out just because I do not use them. JAS If I want to look at a Calendar I can through Yahoo widgets. I have two one is a Yahoo Calendar, the other is a Google Calendar I do that so if one crash at main site I can use the other to rebuild a new one. Its one thing if you add on an extension such as lightning have it add the tab. But those of use not interested in keeping track of every second we take a Breath just don't bother us with fluff not needed or wanted. Thank goodness we can still turn off tabs. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0
Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Bush: I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the TABS. I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences . Do I have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ? I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings: http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB) Hartmut Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I never saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still have the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup. Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the end with 9. Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it, as dd every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am not sure where you are coming from on that one. If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed browsing since its inception as Phoenix. The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise you as to how to avoid it. Lee Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot. send me your email address and I'll show where its not needed Phillip, you have a web site. Why not upload your screenshot to that space, and then link to it? Lee Okay: http://www.phillipmjones.net/NoTabs.png BTW: I've converted most of my html pages to XHTML (XML) 1.0.i Transitional and as far as I can tell those that have been converted do not have any errors. checked through DreamWeaver 8 (yes can't afford the price of update to CS 4, for now) and I've used the code error check built into iCab I am not say everything is perfect but I am working on it. What is this screenshot supposed to show? I see a Mail/News window with no tabs open. How does it relate to the problem of not wanting tabs in Mail/News? Lee I see a Tab Bar above the message , So why is Tabs available in MAIL ? and for What Reason. Yes there is a tab bar, but only one tab is open. From here, if I choose to hide the tab bar when only one tab is open, Mail/News honors that, so if tabs are not being used, it should not display. See other messages for possible uses of tabs in Mail/News. Actually, this has been a much asked for feature, and has great possibilities. Lee Here have all these request come from?? Of Course I've not posted her for nearly two years with a few minor exception until SM2 Final came out. I see no valid reason of tabs in email and news. I've pondered the idea and it just seem useless, I read and respond to one email /News post at a time. I just don't see the value. I find if I try to do too many things at one time, I tend to make more mistakes than usual. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 1.8 look on SM 2.0
Leonidas Jones wrote: S. Beaulieu wrote: Claude Duvergier wrote: I think he wants the opposite : SeaMonkey Default Theme SeaMonkey 2.0 is now natively using SeaMonkey Modern Not on my system. It automatically picked the default theme (which would be expected) and I had to revert to Modern to get it back... Maybe this behaviour changes according to what OS one is using? S. Yes it does, it is the Default after all. ;) It seems to be the default on Windows and Linux, as well as OS X. The default theme is geared to the OS, and looks rather different depending on the OS, but it is the default. Modern Theme is available. You might check Sailfish's site for some others: http://www.projectit.com/ From communicating with Pat, Simple Green and Cold Fusion are not going to be ported to SeaMonkey. They are based on browser only versions of Netscape, and cannot be ported easily to the suite. However, there are several other options, Sky Pilot, and Modern Mozillium as a couple of examples. I have become very fond of the Venerable Modern theme. I also hove a fondness for KaiRo's Star Trek theme, though I admit it is a bit of an acquired taste. Lee I wish Pat would respond to my question in the projectit forum about the conflict with SkyPilot and QuoteColors extension I've emailed and put a post on there forum at least a week ago if not more. They act like as if Sailfish is on vacation or quit fooling with it. Or its been abandoned. I even have setup to email me when a response given. if SkyPilot is used for each | there is there is an equal number of . The author of QuoteColors has tried it on a Mac and determined it because of the SkyPilot theme. And I have verified it using the modern theme. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0
Hartmut Figge wrote: Phillip Jones: Leonidas Jones wrote: What is this screenshot supposed to show? I see a Mail/News window with no tabs open. How does it relate to the problem of not wanting tabs in Mail/News? I've Drawn an arrow to point out the tab. I don't read here every day or every posting and i'm too lazy to reread the thread. Seems, you don't like the tabs in MailNews. Well, setting browser.tabs.autoHide to true may be what you want. Or not. ;) Hartmut I have. But I should have to do that. It shouldn't be there to begin with. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0
Leonidas Jones wrote: Lou wrote: George Carden wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 11/15/2009 8:24 AM, Bush wrote: /snip/ He's probably talking about the new tabs within the e-mail reader. I don't care for them either. Can anyone point out to me the advantage of tabs in an e-mail reader? And...the setting hide tab when only one is open does work. That's my solution. -George I can't live without tabs in my browser. And I have started to really like the tabs on the Mail application too! Much better than having a bunch of different windows laying around. I quite agree, a tabless browser would be pretty much useless to me at this point. I see the same advantage in Mail/News. But, it is so easy to hide the tab bar and just not use it, that I can't see why this has become anything even like an issue. Lee Its not an issue for now as long as it can be removed. when the command are removed to allow turning tabs off. then it will become one. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0
Leonidas Jones wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Phillip Jones: Leonidas Jones wrote: What is this screenshot supposed to show? I see a Mail/News window with no tabs open. How does it relate to the problem of not wanting tabs in Mail/News? I've Drawn an arrow to point out the tab. I don't read here every day or every posting and i'm too lazy to reread the thread. Seems, you don't like the tabs in MailNews. Well, setting browser.tabs.autoHide to true may be what you want. Or not. ;) Hartmut There is a ui pref for it, as I stated in another mesage in htis thread, no eed to use about:config. Lee there is also one force hide for browser tabs as well. Maybe this will stop the tab coming up when you install a new version of SM or FF. I'll have to set that as well in FireFox. to get rid of them forever. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0
Bill Davidsen wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Bush: I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the TABS. I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences . Do I have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ? I haven't tested much, but you could try these settings: http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm091115.png (16 KB) Hartmut Same settings I have Here . Just maybe it is a Windows 7 thing? I never saw any Tabs since Netscape 1.1 until Mozilla 2.0. And Yes I still have the 1.44 Floppy that contained 1.1 setup. Netscape had tabbed browsing starting with 6.0, and continued to the end with 9. Mozilla Suite had tabbed browsing from the beginning. 1.0 had it, as dd every other version released, There was never a Mozilla 2.0, so I am not sure where you are coming from on that one. If you are talking about Firefox 2.0. well Firefox has also had tabbed browsing since its inception as Phoenix. The simplest answer is just don't use them. Maybe you could post an example of when a tab opens when you don't want it to, so we can advise you as to how to avoid it. Lee Now that screen shots is abandoned where do I send screenshot. send me your email address and I'll show where its not needed Phillip, you have a web site. Why not upload your screenshot to that space, and then link to it? Lee Okay: http://www.phillipmjones.net/NoTabs.png BTW: I've converted most of my html pages to XHTML (XML) 1.0.i Transitional and as far as I can tell those that have been converted do not have any errors. checked through DreamWeaver 8 (yes can't afford the price of update to CS 4, for now) and I've used the code error check built into iCab I am not say everything is perfect but I am working on it. What is this screenshot supposed to show? I see a Mail/News window with no tabs open. How does it relate to the problem of not wanting tabs in Mail/News? Lee I see a Tab Bar above the message , So why is Tabs available in MAIL ? and for What Reason. Yes there is a tab bar, but only one tab is open. From here, if I choose to hide the tab bar when only one tab is open, Mail/News honors that, so if tabs are not being used, it should not display. See other messages for possible uses of tabs in Mail/News. Actually, this has been a much asked for feature, and has great possibilities. Lee Here have all these request come from?? Of Course I've not posted her for nearly two years with a few minor exception until SM2 Final came out. I see no valid reason of tabs in email and news. I've pondered the idea and it just seem useless, I read and respond to one email /News post at a time. I just don't see the value. I find if I try to do too many things at one time, I tend to make more mistakes than usual. Did you forget the option to omit the tab line if only one tab is open. See the examples: http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/SM2-tabs/ I've set up so no tabs. and there is another in about:config I set. I hope will stop each new update of SM/FF show my ISP in one tab and the Mozilla window in another. even though I had tabs set to off. hide tab Force hide -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 1.8 look on SM 2.0
Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: S. Beaulieu wrote: Claude Duvergier wrote: /snip/ I wish Pat would respond to my question in the projectit forum about the conflict with SkyPilot and QuoteColors extension I've emailed and put a post on there forum at least a week ago if not more. They act like as if Sailfish is on vacation or quit fooling with it. Or its been abandoned. I even have setup to email me when a response given. if SkyPilot is used for each | there is there is an equal number of . The author of QuoteColors has tried it on a Mac and determined it because of the SkyPilot theme. And I have verified it using the modern theme. I haven't heard from him in a while either. From what I understand, he has been very occupied with other aspects of his life, but is not abandoning his projects. Obviously no one is making money from SeaMonkey themes, so we need to be understanding. :) Actually, I think it was over a year ago that I asked about the idea of porting Simply Green and Simply Blue to the suite, and the answer was no. Being at base browser only themes, extending them to work in all the components of the suite is a far from trivial matter. Sky Pilot is a different matter, I'm sure he will get around to it when he is able to. Lee I hope so I miss using It. Tried the new walnut. its not ready for prime time there are a lot of Icons missing. ans some of the menus are funny looking. It does have grippies though. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SOLVED: Composing in HTML For a Single Message -- 2.0
Bill Davidsen wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Arnie Goetchius wrote: The procedure for composing in HTML for a single message (as opposed to all messages) appears to have changed from 1.1.x. However, the 2.0 Help file still refers to 1.1.x procedures as follows: If while composing a message you realize that one or more recipients may not be able to receive HTML-formatted mail, you can easily convert the message to a different format when you click Send: 1. In the Compose window, open the Options menu and choose Format. 2. Select the format you want to use for sending the message from the submenu: ===snipped That procedure no longer applies to 2.0 as there is no Format in the Options menu in 2.0. Wrong. The part you quoted from Help refers to the case where you are composing an HTML mail. In that case there *is* a Format option under Options and it allows you to change the format of the outgoing mail. It has been like that in SM 1.0, SM 1.1 and it is still like that in SM 2.0. Yes, that misfeature is still with us. People who start in HTML are allowed to change, people who get started in text get to start all over, the option to correct the format is not offered in text mode, and sending in text mode to someone marked as wants HTML doesn't get a useful box to pop up and let you decide. To compose in HTML for a single message, click on the down arrow to the right of the Compose icon. There you will be given the option of composing the current message in plain text or HTML Correct, this option is new. However, it does not replace the other option, it is just a new alternative. Greetings, Jens The way its setup now in SM2 if you have set to Plain Text in a newsgroup you can only post in Plain Text. If you set for HTML you can post either in HTML or Plaintext you'd switch just by holding Shift key down (Mac) to swap to other format. In Email you swap one to the other regardless of which format you in. I suspect because most people here hate worth a passion HTML it was built in not to be able to toggle to HTM if set to Plain text. Since I don't see a setting for that at the newsgroup level, I assume that I still need to have two profiles, and have two entries for the server, one for groups which allow, even encourage it, and a totally separate one for the text groups. Does that sound like a convenient user interface or what? Or you can set the whole server to HTML posting, forget half the time, and piss off most of your readers. Well, at least it is a deliberately chosen limitation not a bug. I'm old and Cranky but I am not that senile yet ;) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore the old Form Manager!
Leonidas Jones wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:56:15 -0600, me2 wrote: Restore the old Form Manager! ...please... We discussed this in the SeaMonkey Status Meeting yesterday. https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings:2009-11-17#SeaMonkey_2.0_Final Look under the feedback section. Phil Thanks, Philip, its good to see that the issues are being discussed. Lee Yes I am glad to see consideration of putting a legitimate Forms Manager Back. I would prefer one that worked similar to the one in SM1.1.8; But one based on the form History Manager Plugin would do. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Walnut theme
chicagofan wrote: JAS wrote: Alfred Kaiser sent me an email and has posted an experimental Walnut theme, I am using it now, he wishes people to use it and his others and write reviews on them. Get it here : at addons.mozilla https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/50034 It is easy on my eyes, I notice no tab bar in mail/news so it is hard er for me to switch between mail and calendar. JAS I've never used any add-ons and since 2.0 is working well for me I don't want to do anything to jeopardize that, but I'd really like to have the Walnut theme. How do you install it? Literally. ;) Also I don't have a PayPal account, is that the only way to contribute, to this and is there a way to contribute to the SM team for their work? bj I tried the walnut theme and I found it not ready for Prime time. One the window menu for example the were no icons representing Browser, Mail/News, Composer, address, IRC Many drop down menus look like __aaa bbb __ccc __ddd fff and so on. I love the theme but there many bugs. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Eliminating long To: lists when printing
Mr. Cheese wrote: I receive emails from organizations that use long distribution lists. Is there a way to print these emails without showing the list of ID's other than cutting and pasting into a text file. Often the ID list is longer than the email content... what a waste You can choose to forward in-line that way you can snip everything but the message. Normally a Forward is set up as an attachment. That way it just forwards the message in its entirety, and tacks on your header Info. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Download Progress Dialog...
Daniel wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: NoOp wrote: My apologies; I've also been informed by jens that the bug is related to where the file has been downloaded *locally*. Sorry, never paid much attention to that feature as I set downloads to go to only one folder can find the file by a search if I'm not paying attention and it goes astray. Is this feature really such a deal breaker for you for moving on to 2.0? I mean, it seems pretty simple/logical to create a 'download' folder and then set Edit|Preferences|Browser|Downloads|When saving a file: Save files to... or keep the 'Always ask me where to save files' default. I'd have to vote for 'WONTFIX' as it seems to me that the feature just adds unecessary bloat (clutter?) to the interface. Please don't adopt the Firefox mentality. If such an option is considered bloat, a lot of options in SeaMonkey can be considered bloat. Talk about Bloat!! In SM 1.x you could just install the SM browser if that was all you wanted...Now some bright spark has decided that you MUST install every bit of SM (browser, mail/news, composer, chatzilla, etc.) or no bits at all. Now that is bloat!!! (Mind you, I don't understand why someone might want to just install the browser only!but what would I know!!) Daniel I could do without the Chatzilla. I believe its a extension. I'm thinking about removing it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Eliminating long To: lists when printing
Mr. Cheese wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Mr. Cheese wrote: I receive emails from organizations that use long distribution lists. Is there a way to print these emails without showing the list of ID's other than cutting and pasting into a text file. Often the ID list is longer than the email content... what a waste You can choose to forward in-line that way you can snip everything but the message. Normally a Forward is set up as an attachment. That way it just forwards the message in its entirety, and tacks on your header Info. Forward inline still adds the email as an attachment??? Does this have something to do with the way that the email was sent to me? No. Clicking forward inline insert everything from the mail you want to Forward in a new post. This includes the header info. If you click Forward as attachment a new window opens and if you have three Pane mode set you see an attachment in the Attachments Window. In Inline all you need to do is highlight all the header stuff and hit delete. You can send it as if its your own. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: ID Passwords
JohnW-Mpls wrote: For my various browser accounts (bank, etc), SM 2 requires that I first manually enter my ID for that account before it pastes in the password. SM 1.x did all of that automatically - both ID and password got pasted in when arriving at a controlled site. Is that an SM 2 failing or is there some option setting I'm missing? Do what's in this URL and it will return the SM1.1.8 style. http://cybernetnews.com/firefox-remember-passwords/ -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: ID Passwords
BeeNeR wrote:
On or about 11/19/2009 8:23 PM, Phillip Jones typed the following:
JohnW-Mpls wrote:
For my various browser accounts (bank, etc), SM 2 requires that I
first manually enter my ID for that account before it pastes in the
password.
SM 1.x did all of that automatically - both ID and password got pasted
in when arriving at a controlled site.
Is that an SM 2 failing or is there some option setting I'm missing?
Do what's in this URL and it will return the SM1.1.8 style.
http://cybernetnews.com/firefox-remember-passwords/
Tried that (see my thread in this news group: Multiple user/passwords).
Didn't work.
In addition go save this as a BookMarklet: Create new blank Bookmark
give title as Remember Password.
javascript:(function(){var%20ca,cea,cs,df,dfe,i,j,x,y;function%20n(i,what){return%20i+%22%20%22+what+((i==1)?%22%22:%22s%22)}ca=cea=cs=0;df=document.forms;for(i=0;idf.length;++i){x=df[i];dfe=x.elements;if(x.onsubmit){x.onsubmit=%22%22;++cs;}if(x.attributes[%22autocomplete%22]){x.attributes[%22autocomplete%22].value=%22on%22;++ca;}for(j=0;jdfe.length;++j){y=dfe[j];if(y.attributes[%22autocomplete%22]){y.attributes[%22autocomplete%22].value=%22on%22;++cea;}}}alert(%22Removed%20autocomplete=off%20from%20%22+n(ca,%22form%22)+%22%20and%20from%20%22+n(cea,%22form%20element%22)+%22,%20and%20removed%20onsubmit%20from%20%22+n(cs,%22form%22)+%22.%20After%20you%20type%20your%20password%20and%20submit%20the%20form,%20the%20browser%20will%20offer%20to%20remember%20your%20password.%22)})();
Put this on the bookmarks Bar. Then just before you aim to save as
password click on this.
the combination of this and the other will get you back almost to 1.1.8
action
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Re: Multiple user/passwords
John Boyle wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: BeeNeR wrote: On or about 11/11/2009 9:57 PM, Hartmut Figge typed the following: BeeNeR: Neither yours or George Carden's solution works for me. The page I use multiple log-ins on is http://www.mail.com/ I have a couple of e-mail addresses that I use and I no longer get the drop down selection choice. Maybe a case of autocomplete=off? https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/forms.html#remember_password Hartmut I don't think so since it does complete if I only enter the first letter. ie if I have two users starting with 'e' and I enter 'e' a drop down box appears with both users that start with 'e'. In 1.x versions I didn't have to enter anything. If I clicked on the user entry box I received a dropdown box with ALL users no matter what the spelling and I could click on the user I wanted. And BTW: anyone using username/passwords for Banks or CC companies shoul be using a Master password and have encryption turned on. This include even in your own house. To Newsgroup: Does one HAVE to use passwords at all? That is the basic question I have. If so, is there any good guidelines as to which to apply them to , outside of the obvious one of banks? O:-) No. No one has to use a Master Password. But in order to encrypt your passwords you must. If you live in a City that never ever has any break-ins (Home invasions), and the neighbor on each side of you would trust with you Banking a Credit cards, you don't have to use a Mater Password. Suppose someone breaks into your house and swipes your Computers. If they can't get into your Browser, They can get your passwords. In fact its not a bad idea to put a secure Password on your Computer. I have two computers, and I have usernames and passwords on the computers and on each Browser I use. And my 85 year old mother is the only one that lives with me other than our cat. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Eliminating long To: lists when printing
jean-francois.per...@laposte.net wrote: Mr. Cheese a écrit : Rick Merrill wrote: Mr. Cheese wrote: I receive emails from organizations that use long distribution lists. Is there a way to print these emails without showing the list of ID's other than cutting and pasting into a text file. Often the ID list is longer than the email content... what a waste Tell them you are concerned about your privacy and ask them to make the list a BCC list (Blind Carbon Copy). That way there will be No Long List. I know about bcc: that's the method I use. I don't mind seeing the long address lists cause I sometimes add an entry to my address book), I just don't want to print them. what about copy / paste the whole body ? That would work -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Eliminating long To: lists when printing
Bill Davidsen wrote: Mr. Cheese wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Mr. Cheese wrote: I receive emails from organizations that use long distribution lists. Is there a way to print these emails without showing the list of ID's other than cutting and pasting into a text file. Often the ID list is longer than the email content... what a waste Tell them you are concerned about your privacy and ask them to make the list a BCC list (Blind Carbon Copy). That way there will be No Long List. I know about bcc: that's the method I use. I don't mind seeing the long address lists cause I sometimes add an entry to my address book), I just don't want to print them. Don't know about the Windows version, but on the Linux version I can Forward as inline and edit out what I don't want to see, then just print the text. Macs are same as Linux and Unix, so far as this goes. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Newsgroup 2 copies
Bush wrote: Cedar wrote: Why am I seeing at least 2 copies of every message in this newsgroup? Could not Resist Asking you When was the last time you had your Eyes Checked . Seriously I do not have an Answer for you I am seeing that the last couple of days as well. Years ago I had that problem with email from AOL (bask when it was strictly AOL) and it turned out to be bad header info. The only cure for that was wiping out my email accounts wait over night then My ISP would rebuild my mailboxes. I had to have them killed and resurrected 3 times before AOL fixed the problem. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problems with SeaMonkey 2.0
Paul wrote: Campy wrote: I am running SeaMonkey 2.0 on an HP computer with an I7 chip and the upgrade to Windows 7. The problems: 1. I have to click on a bookmark between 5 and 15 times before it will finally go to the web site and not say Site not found, could not connect or something similar. These are sites such as Yahoo, Google, etc. How does IE work compared to SM? That's a Loaded question. I and others here that use SM day to day; will swear its the greatest thing since Sliced Bread. OE people will say the same about IE. The advantages to SM over IE; is that Web Browsing, Mail, news, IRC (chat), even light web page design or repair; is built all in one. Where IE, is a One trick Pony, it does Web only. OE on PC Or Outlook on PC, or Entourage on Mac does the rest. Entourage at best could be absolute atrocious, and clunky to use. I would recommend it to my worst enemy. You can do newsgroups but its royal PIA to set up. it Forte is email only. It does have an advantage in that the address portion and Dictionary/Thesaurus is shared with Word and Excel so you can get mailing addresses from your emails to send letters and do mailing list in word. But its not worth the pain to use it. Supposedly Outlook is supposed to come to the Mac Platform but I will believe it when I actually see it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Send Link and Word Wrap in SM2
art wrote: On 11/21/09 5:02 AM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:37:11 -0500, /art/: When sending a hyperlink, SM2 treats the / character as a word break delimiter and subsequently wraps the link if it is longer than the plain text word wrap setting. Thus, the recipient may have to cut/paste/edit the link before using it instead of just clicking on it. The wrap is only visual. If you observe the source of the message you'll see the link text is continuous. Copying and pasting it in a simple plain text editor should also show the text is not broken. The new wrapping behavior is in effect since Firefox 3.0/Gecko 1.9.0, if I'm not mistaken. Previously Mozilla wrapped text only at white space which made tables containing such links expand too wide, for example. That's certainly a good rationale for modifying the wrapping. So as links are never stored/transmitted with hard breaks, there should be no problems with messages composed in SM2 being read by any well-behaved mail client. Operative term is well-behaved :-). Thus, to summarize, SM2 will: during message compose - 1) hard break text in the message pane based on wrap text setting using white space used as the wrapping delimiter. 2) soft break links in the message pane using special characters (e.g. , /) for the wrapping delimiters for links. during message reading - 3) soft break links/text in the message pane based on pane width. Same delimiters as #1 for text, #2 for links. Are you talking about in SM1.18 and TB if you provided a Link you could type an unlimited amount of characters and it would no break and when you read a reply that had you link was hot (would work). On SM 2 if you get to a certain amount of character while you type it breaks at what ever number of Characters you have set but when you view the item after sent remains hot sometimes I notice that as well. IN SM 1.x URL's and Mailto: were treated as unique items and they were not broken. in SM2 sometimes it is sometimes it isn't. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Website problems
NoOp wrote: On 11/20/2009 11:34 PM, Cedar wrote: When I go to this website with SM 2: www.cattlenetwork.com, I get the following error message: XML Parsing Error: mismatched tag. Expected:/meta. Location: http://www.cattlenetwork.com/ Line Number 36, Column 449:meta name=google-site-verification content=OaEYk1WjScjIOpwuOyxCWyPJhJk0F9byX3q7s6cgtOQ /link href=/App_Themes/Theme/CSSHandler.axd?page=JGiJdDpvd5mqQf4kon3jcktmlugEgTLeXrO97BQ6_M0zuv2f1x9gDI74u0-Lq79G0amp;t=-enbEn1smA5dIAmLvd63r98KRSZX9FhMgM3HF72lIjk1amp;p=11Ir3EFxTdMkv009Q5tOcQ2 type=text/css rel=stylesheet /meta name=description content=Up To The Minute Beef Cattle Newsamp; Information Ranging From Ranch To Retail //head ^ Any ideas what this might be about? If someone else would be so kind as to try this website and see if you get the same would be appreciated. Thanks. Works for me. However note that I have the 'NOT Firefox' in my UI: # Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 NOT Firefox/3.5 Lightning/1.0pre SeaMonkey/2.0 Let's take it out try again to see if they are browser sniffing... Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 Lightning/1.0pre SeaMonkey/2.0 Whoops... that get's the same error as your's. Put the 'NOT Firefox/3.5' back in it now works. So they *are* browser sniffing. was able to go to it with no problem. I use on a Mac, OSX.4.11 and Flash 10 plugin No alteration of my user agent. (Mas OSX 4.11 SM2) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
click on next unread page doesn't necessarily do so
When reading emails (I have multiple sub folders in my email Boxes) and news groups when I click on the*next Button (next unread message) it goes to to next folder and in fact a out line shows around topic but is no highlighted an no message shows up. IN SM1.x click next would actually switch you to the next unread message in next folder (if no more in Folder you are in) the message would be highlighted and you could actually read the text. Is this a Bug, or new feature?? -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: click on next unread page doesn't necessarily do so
Martin Freitag wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: When reading emails (I have multiple sub folders in my email Boxes) and news groups when I click on the*next Button (next unread message) it goes to to next folder and in fact a out line shows around topic but is no highlighted an no message shows up. IN SM1.x click next would actually switch you to the next unread message in next folder (if no more in Folder you are in) the message would be highlighted and you could actually read the text. Is this a Bug, or new feature?? Works for me. try to validate in safe-mode. If it occurs too consider filing a bug. regards Martin How is it you go to safe mode on a Mac? -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: click on next unread page doesn't necessarily do so
Phillip Jones wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: When reading emails (I have multiple sub folders in my email Boxes) and news groups when I click on the*next Button (next unread message) it goes to to next folder and in fact a out line shows around topic but is no highlighted an no message shows up. IN SM1.x click next would actually switch you to the next unread message in next folder (if no more in Folder you are in) the message would be highlighted and you could actually read the text. Is this a Bug, or new feature?? Works for me. try to validate in safe-mode. If it occurs too consider filing a bug. regards Martin How is it you go to safe mode on a Mac? Never Mind there is no safe Mode for Mac without going into -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: click on next unread page doesn't necessarily do so
Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: When reading emails (I have multiple sub folders in my email Boxes) and news groups when I click on the*next Button (next unread message) it goes to to next folder and in fact a out line shows around topic but is no highlighted an no message shows up. IN SM1.x click next would actually switch you to the next unread message in next folder (if no more in Folder you are in) the message would be highlighted and you could actually read the text. Is this a Bug, or new feature?? Works for me. try to validate in safe-mode. If it occurs too consider filing a bug. regards Martin How is it you go to safe mode on a Mac? Never Mind there is no safe Mode for Mac without going into The above should have said: Never mind there is no safe Mode for Mac without going into Console. In any event. I've posted a Bug. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: click on next unread page doesn't necessarily do so
Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: When reading emails (I have multiple sub folders in my email Boxes) and news groups when I click on the*next Button (next unread message) it goes to to next folder and in fact a out line shows around topic but is no highlighted an no message shows up. IN SM1.x click next would actually switch you to the next unread message in next folder (if no more in Folder you are in) the message would be highlighted and you could actually read the text. Is this a Bug, or new feature?? Works for me. try to validate in safe-mode. If it occurs too consider filing a bug. regards Martin How is it you go to safe mode on a Mac? Never Mind there is no safe Mode for Mac without going into Phillip, with SM 2.0, simply hold down the Option key while clicking your Dock icon. This will open in Safe mode, works also for FF 3.5 and TB 3.0. For SM 1.1.18, there is a Terminal command that will open Safe Mode. Lee OK Tried in safe mode. No Change I will have to go back to Bugzilla and add a another screen shot. Its been that way ever since I have switched to SM 2 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: RoboForm adapter will not install in Seamonkey 2.0
John Doue wrote: Serge Popper wrote: John Doue wrote: Serge Popper wrote: When attempting to install the RoboForm adapter, which worked fine in 1.18, the following message was displayed - Incompatible Extension. AI RoboForm Toolbar for Seamonkey will not be installed because it does not provide secure up dadates. I went into EDITPREFERENCESADVANCEDSOFTWARE INSTALLATIONMANAGE SOFTWARE NSTALLATION AND UPDATESALLOWED SITES There I inserted Roboform.com and made it an allowed site. I attempted to install the Adapter again and again, the same message came up as is listed above. I went back into Software installations and RoboForm was no longer there. I went through the same procedure, re-inserted RoboForm.com, tried again and got the same denial message. I tried once more but the Software Installations wouldn't accept roboform.com at all this time. How do I get around this? Thanks, Serge Popper Roboforms does not work in SM 2.0. I contacted the company to see if and when they intended to have an extension for it, and go a terse answer saying in not so many words, if and when there is one, it will posted on our Web site. Wait and see. But until there is one, I use SM 2.0 for experimenting only, I miss too much its convenience. Thanks for your response. I did the same thing and got the same answer. I'm ging to roll back to 1.18 and wait for the adapter. Thanks, Serge This might also be a chance for you to play a little with FF 3.5x. Although I prefer SM, Roboform working perfectly with FF, I now use it as an alternate. One site I visit regularly does not work very well any more with SM 1.1.18 because of some elaborate scripts. Since I am the belt and suspender type, I also have TB installed, and with the right extension installed to kind of connect them, the duo FF and TB come close to the convenience of SM, which I still prefer, probably because it still has something I liked in Netscape's early versions. One thing that makes you like SM the best, is that when you click a Mailto: It doesn't open a Blank web page in FireFox and open a Blank email window with no address. In SM it simply switches email and the address is ready. Never has worked from day one in FF/TB. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: RoboForm adapter will not install in Seamonkey 2.0
MikeyG wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: John Doue wrote: Serge Popper wrote: John Doue wrote: Serge Popper wrote: When attempting to install the RoboForm adapter, which worked fine in 1.18, the following message was displayed - Incompatible Extension. AI RoboForm Toolbar for Seamonkey will not be installed because it does not provide secure up dadates. I went into EDITPREFERENCESADVANCEDSOFTWARE INSTALLATIONMANAGE SOFTWARE NSTALLATION AND UPDATESALLOWED SITES There I inserted Roboform.com and made it an allowed site. I attempted to install the Adapter again and again, the same message came up as is listed above. I went back into Software installations and RoboForm was no longer there. I went through the same procedure, re-inserted RoboForm.com, tried again and got the same denial message. I tried once more but the Software Installations wouldn't accept roboform.com at all this time. How do I get around this? Thanks, Serge Popper Roboforms does not work in SM 2.0. I contacted the company to see if and when they intended to have an extension for it, and go a terse answer saying in not so many words, if and when there is one, it will posted on our Web site. Wait and see. But until there is one, I use SM 2.0 for experimenting only, I miss too much its convenience. Thanks for your response. I did the same thing and got the same answer. I'm ging to roll back to 1.18 and wait for the adapter. Thanks, Serge This might also be a chance for you to play a little with FF 3.5x. Although I prefer SM, Roboform working perfectly with FF, I now use it as an alternate. One site I visit regularly does not work very well any more with SM 1.1.18 because of some elaborate scripts. Since I am the belt and suspender type, I also have TB installed, and with the right extension installed to kind of connect them, the duo FF and TB come close to the convenience of SM, which I still prefer, probably because it still has something I liked in Netscape's early versions. One thing that makes you like SM the best, is that when you click a Mailto: It doesn't open a Blank web page in FireFox and open a Blank email window with no address. In SM it simply switches email and the address is ready. Never has worked from day one in FF/TB. It just, now, Worked for me; FF 3.5.5 / TB 2.0.0.23. MikeyG unless the finally fixed the problem in the 3.5 series I hadn't previously. I think I I even had an old Bugzilla Bug report on it in the past. I settle down to using SM of mail/news, and email. And using FireFox or Camino for web browser only when I want just go to a web page for a second or two. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: HTML validator for SM 2.0
Steve B. wrote: David E. Ross wrote: Why not use the W3C validator athttp://validator.w3.org/? The SeaMonkey accessory (plug-in?? is much more convenient since it gives me validation of any page it opens. Steve Don't have this for Mac OSX -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 is buggy as hell and I'm not going to use it anymore
jim wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:29:08 -0800 (PST), Jim jlong...@jaguar1.usouthal.edu in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote: I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs are too severe to warrant continued use. ... Until the major bugs are fixed, I'll stick with version 1.18. I agree. jim One bug they have fixed on the Mac side was clicking command -S to bring up Save menu and the Command -S again actually saving the file. It had been broken since SM 1.1.2 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
can't resend a message in newsgroup.
on a rare occasion I have the need/desire send a message created ina newsgroup over again. Years ago I was able to do so, I noticed in SM1.1.8 and lower and SM 2 I can 't do this whether its saved in sent directory either in email Directory or the Local Directory. It didn't use to make any an difference in the Mozilla series. Anyone know where to save so If the need arises you can. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Didn't news.mozilla.org used to have a secured port?
Ant wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: IIRC, it was port 563 SSL. Or is that no longer there for news.mozilla.org? Thank you in advance. :) I think you are thinking of the old support location secnews.netscape.com That server is still there, with its groups, by the way, Ah that was it. How come Mozilla.org doesn't use SSL when Netscape does? The reason that secnews was configured as SSL was so it could be used as a test base for Netscape's Corporate Enterprise customers. That's the only reason BTW. Port 563 users can see all ports but port 119 users cannot see the 563 groups. Interesting. Is that still even used? Isn't Netscape dead? Netscape may be officially but the server lives on we still have the NTTM newsgroups still running. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey and U.S. Government site does not work
Bush wrote: A US A site is not accessible with Seamonkey 2.0 http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ This is what I see on SM2 Mac: Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a000d' Type mismatch: 'CDbl' /Frameworks\Classes\Browser.cls, line 134 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't log into MyCokeRewards.com with SeaMonkey v2.0, but can with v1.1.18 and Firefox v2.0.0.20?
Ant wrote: Hello! http://www.mycokerewards.com/home.do doesn't seem to let me log in with SeaMonkey v2.0, but will for old v1.1.18 and Firefox v2.0.0.20. I already tried allowing referrers and changing User Agent to Firefox v2.0.0.20 Linux. Any ideas? Thank you in advance. :) I tried with 2.0 and was able to sign in okay -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Didn't news.mozilla.org used to have a secured port?
Jay Garcia wrote: On 26.11.2009 19:44, Ant wrote: --- Original Message --- Leonidas Jones wrote: IIRC, it was port 563 SSL. Or is that no longer there for news.mozilla.org? Thank you in advance. :) I think you are thinking of the old support location secnews.netscape.com That server is still there, with its groups, by the way, Ah that was it. How come Mozilla.org doesn't use SSL when Netscape does? The reason that secnews was configured as SSL was so it could be used as a test base for Netscape's Corporate Enterprise customers. That's the only reason BTW. Port 563 users can see all ports but port 119 users cannot see the 563 groups. One advantage is using a Secure Server is No Spam! in the entire 3-4 ran there were maybe two pieces a spam. Where periodically here we my see batches of spam. All news servers should be either Secure or Authenticated. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...
Daniel wrote: Ant wrote: Hi! Does outbox always go in Local Folders? I use various e-mail accounts and servers. I'd like to have it each account use their own outbox that I send later. They all ended up in Local Folder's outbox. There are no outbox settings I see in preferences and accounts to change this. I didn't have this issue in v1.1.18. Thank you in advance. :) Sorry, Ant, where do you get outbox from??? Sent Mail should get posted to your mail accounts Sent folder. If your asking about posts to NG's, that is set in the Copies Folders screen of the news account on Edit|MailNewsgroup Account Settings. HTH Daniel In the past You use to be able resend a message in the news by going to sent folder and do edit as new. Then simple click send now I receive message to the affect: this account is for email only, if you continue newsgroup message will be ignored. How you resend to a newsgroup? -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey and U.S. Government site does not work
Bush wrote: JAS wrote: Bush wrote: A US A site is not accessible with Seamonkey 2.0 http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ I am using Windows and XP PRO and SM2 and have browsed around the site with no problem. JAS Win 7 Win 7 pro and seamonkey 2.0 and the site doesnot Work... I was able to view the site when I had Xp Home and seamonkey 1.1.18 Was able to get in using iCab, Safari, FireFox 3.5.5, OmniWeb, Opera Mac. But not SM2 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: donotcall.gov
Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: Cannot view Donotcall.gov because of the following . And there are other sites that give me the same error What is causing this Seamonkey 2.0 or Win 7 pro _ donotcall.gov uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is not trusted. (Error code: sec_error_untrusted_issuer) Comes up with no problem here. Lee works4me.SM2 Macintosh -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Daniel wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:00:23 -0700, Rufus wrote: 5) If I customize the Toolbar for Mail and Newsgroups by adding the Delete button, the button is hidden upon exit from Customize - again, this is only true when using the default theme. If you select/highlight a mail message in the thread pane, the delete button should re-appear. This is the same behaviour as 1.1.18. Phil ...interesting - it does that for Mail, but not for Newsgroups. When I go from a message in my Mail Inbox to a message in a Newsgroup, the Delete button hides completely and stays hidden until I go back to a message in my Mail Inbox. Dunno if that's as intended, but thanks. As you cannot delete a message from a news group (except your own post, in some circumstances), why would you need a delete button?? Daniel You can't. Only the header info is actually downloaded to your computer unless you download to read offline. You actually read Newsgroup messages directly from the news server. If it was done otherwise the first one that downloaded the messages would remove the messages from the server. To get rid of header right click or control-click on the highlighted newsgroup click on properties and choose rebuild summary File that dumps all but the amount you want left on I have 100. I have to do this often as sometimes messages counts may go down 8-10 post. And sometimes it shows zero messages yet there may be 8 or 10 messages showing as unread, yet the don't show up as unread in window that shows the the group names or email box names. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey v2 extension replacements
Leonidas Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: John Boyle wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Mike C wrote: Sqwertz wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:11:15 -0800, Ant wrote: /snip/ To whom it may concern: I am wondering whatever happened to the calendar that was supposed to be either an extension or an add-in to SM2? :-) The next version of Lightning should be compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0. Indeed, I have a nightly build installed now, and have a tab in Mail/News open with my calendar. You can wait for the release, or try one of the nightlies. http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/ It seems very stable, but, if you prefer, you can wait for the release version Lee By the way John, please don't send me provate email along with the newsgroup post. I'll see it in the newsgroup. I have made this request several times in the past. Lee Just tried to install the nightly. received message extension Lightning was prevented from install because it incompatible with SM 2 (use Mac) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Ray_Net wrote: Bush wrote: Please post in this newsgroup, When a Good working version of seamonkey 2.X is available . 2.0 is real Buggy . It needs to be Marked as BETA Time for me to go back to 1.1.18 The best attitude you can do is to avoid trying to use a new version/design ... too earlier. Problem is they drop support and updates on 1.1.8 as soon as 2 went gold. so if there are any security problems, it won't be updated. Yes 2.0 crashed more for me, than the 1 series did for me in about 5 years. But usually it will the first two versions after a major release that everything settles down. I miss the forms Manager and the old downloads Manager but I've found extensions that work around those _defects_. I am happy about one fix for a bug that's been around since SM 1.1. I save copies of a lot of emails and in Mac version you could hit command-S to bring up save as window. Then hit command-S again and it would save the file. That was broke in 1.1 and no offer was made to fix it even though it was documented. Happy to report That that bug has been removed in Version 2.0 at long last. (Mac version). Even now reading newsgroups post suddenly become read as soon as I click on the group It should not be marked as read until click on it. Besides the Mozilla newsgroups it does it in secnews.netscape, Annexcafe, and msnews.microsoft (follow groups associated with MS Office Mac). when you click on the server there might be 20 unread messages showing. as soon as you actually click on the individual newsgroup it will suddenly jump 10. Never had that problem in SM 1.x -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fedex Page does not load
Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi David: Clearning the cache did not make any difference. Note that I just make a new profile, which allowed the browser to work. I can see images on other web pages, but not on the Fedex page. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com go back to original and see if View Message Body As Original HTML is set. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Problem is they drop support and updates on 1.1.8 as soon as 2 went gold. so if there are any security problems, it won't be updated. Please spell the version number correctly. It's 1.1.18, the 18th security and stability update. SeaMonkey 1.1.x hasn't been pronounced dead yet. Sometime in December it will be looked at, and a decision will be made. Your Right it is 1.1.18. It may not be as of yet, but no new activity is being done to it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Inbox oddities...
Daniel wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: I'm working with Mac OS 10.6.2, and SM 1.1.18. In the last several days, my _Inbox_ shows message count discrepancies with what the upper left folder window indicates (say 15 messages unread, and 2484 total messages) and what actually shows up in the main message window, when I select to display only unread messages, is perhaps 5 unread messages and 828 messages total!) If I shut down Inbox and Home Account, then SeaMonkey, and after 10 seconds or so, reopen each folder, my messages revert to actual ~ 5 and 828. Soon, it reverts (as I move from folder to folder, and visit URLs on the 'net, then return to Inbox. It's never done this before. No, I have no idea what I might have recently done, or downloaded that might have interfered with smooth operations of SM. I have opened Disk Utility App. and repaired Disk Permissions, to little avail. Who has an idea what I might try next? A literal map leading me to go delete the Inbox.msf file might work, I guess. Any help much appreciated. keith whaley Keith, it annoys me when I open a news server in SM and one of the groups might show as 8 unread from 265 messages, then as the server gets updated, the figures might switch to 15 unread out of 835 messages, then when I actually select the group the figures might change to 8 unread out of 265 messages again, but thats not your problem. Have you tried compacting your inbox (File|Compact Folders)? Works best after File|Empty Trash If you want to delete your inbox.msf, either 1. (I was going to tell you to do a Windows Find Files and Folder, but as your using Mac, I don't know what the equivalent is!) Then I was going to suggest doing a search for *.msf (without the quotes) and then suggest just deleting any and all .msf files. They are rebuilt as needed. 2. In SeaMonkey, have a look at Edit|MailNewsgroup Account Settings, select Server Settings of your mail account, and at the bottom of this screen is the location of your profile (Local Directory). This should give you a bit of an indication as to where the .msf files are. HTH Daniel To cure that Problem: 1 - go to Edit Mail newsgroups synchronization Storage. 2 set the following items to 60 days. a. Messages more than: (Disk Space) b. Messages more then: (Recover Disk Space) B. Remove bodies from ... :(Recover Disk Space) have just those items checked. Now go to each newsgroup and items should stick. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...
Ant wrote: On 12/1/2009 2:40 AM PT, Daniel typed: Sorry, Martin, where do you get outbox from??? Is this something new for version 2.0?? It doesn't appear, natively, in my SM 1.1.15 (and older) profile!! When you use Send Later, where does it go? Drafts. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Ant wrote: On 12/1/2009 2:40 AM PT, Daniel typed: Sorry, Martin, where do you get outbox from??? Is this something new for version 2.0?? It doesn't appear, natively, in my SM 1.1.15 (and older) profile!! When you use Send Later, where does it go? Drafts. On my system, it's always gone to Unsent Messages. No such thing as Outbox, though that's an understandable description of what Unsent Messages is. Drafts is just a temporary holding area for messages you're working on. If you do File | Send Unsent Messages, anything in Drafts will stay there. on Mac there is no unsent messages even in Local directory. There evidently is an outbox in SM2. There never was such as thing in the Mac version SM 1.1.x . -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...
Martin Freitag wrote: Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Phillip Jones wrote: Ant wrote: On 12/1/2009 2:40 AM PT, Daniel typed: Sorry, Martin, where do you get outbox from??? Is this something new for version 2.0?? It doesn't appear, natively, in my SM 1.1.15 (and older) profile!! When you use Send Later, where does it go? Drafts. On my system, it's always gone to Unsent Messages. No such thing as Outbox, though that's an understandable description of what Unsent Messages is. Yeah, used to be unsent messages in my SM1.x too, it's outbox now (either because of SM2 or because it's due to my change to IMAP), should be the same. Drafts is just a temporary holding area for messages you're working on. If you do File | Send Unsent Messages, anything in Drafts will stay there. cooorect :-) Martin Templates is the one where anything put in it stays in it. Drafts is just that, it where you put your draft and then when you choose Edit Message as new and send it. it is sent and move to sent messages. It will stay as long as you do nothing with it . But once acted on its moved. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0
David Wilkinson wrote: Bush wrote: It is not that she is using SeaMonkey 1.1.14, but rather that the user agent string is apparently not spoofing FireFox (unlike yours, which does). Please follow what I said ... We both Can see what the other is seeing on those web sites ... They say hers is Not Spoofed with 1.1.14 And they say Mine is spoofed with 1.1.18 Both of our computer can See What Seamonkey 2.0 cannot See . I think there is a site called photobucket . I may just create an account and Upload Screen shots from Each Computer . Start up 2 incidents of seamokey 1.1.14 on my wifes computer . One page will have that TV guide site in the background and I will Shrink the 2nd incident with About seamonkey in Front of the TV guide page ... Do a Screen shot and Upload that Screen shot to Photobucket . And likewise Do the Same with my Computer That is runnung What they are saying as SPOOFED Ver 1.1.18 And put a link to Each screenshot here . This will be Done Tomorrow . Will this Satified All of YOU ? I am not saying I do not believe you. I am saying that I am puzzled by what you are reporting. Everybody else with an unaltered version of 1.x or 2.0 says the TVGuide site does not work correctly. I went to TV Guide site works for me. SM 2.0 Mac OSX.4.11 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Collapsing threads
Daniel wrote: Currently using SM 1.1.15, but the situation has been ongoing. When viewing threads here, I can tap the * sign and all threads are expanded. How do I go the other way, i.e. collapse the threads?? Logically tapping the - should be the answer but nothing happens. Tapping the / does nothing. Anyone?? Daniel On Mac clicking home key or left pointing arrow collapses thread, end or right pointing arrow key un-collapes (expands) thread. I say on Mac - because I don't know if this is specific to the Mac Platform or built in to SM in general. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 ?
question wrote: Is 2.0 a beta ? At this point official no. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Collapsing threads
Martin Freitag wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Daniel wrote: Currently using SM 1.1.15, but the situation has been ongoing. When viewing threads here, I can tap the * sign and all threads are expanded. How do I go the other way, i.e. collapse the threads?? Logically tapping the - should be the answer but nothing happens. Tapping the / does nothing. Anyone?? Daniel On Mac clicking home key or left pointing arrow collapses thread, end or right pointing arrow key un-collapes (expands) thread. I say on Mac - because I don't know if this is specific to the Mac Platform or built in to SM in general. Left/right arrows work everywhere with the desired effect. Home sends you to the beginning of all messages on Windows. regards Martin on Mac PowerBook Page up and up arrow are the same key, page down and Down arrow use same, home and left are same, and end and right are the same.On the PowerBook to shift operation you hold down function key. hold down function key and press the arrow key changes it to home,page up, end, page down. Now on my Desktop home, end, page up and page down ; and the up down, left and right arrows are separate keys. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sniffing and Spoofing
David E. Ross wrote: Two recent threads in mozilla.support.seamonkey on this issue resulted in very lengthy discussions. See SeaMonkey and U.S. Government site does not work at news://news.mozilla.org:119/so-dntlowokak43wnz2dnuvz_r6dn...@mozilla.org and Web site work in IE but not in SeaMonkey 2.0 at news://news.mozilla.org:119/xfadnab_io4m4inwnz2dnuvz_oodn...@mozilla.org. I can view the the TVGuide site with no problem and I do not have any spoofing set up. I can not view the Government site in SM 2 as I do not have any spoofing set. as shown here: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0 These are just more examples of errors being asserted in a Gecko browser when the real problem are invalid sniffing for UA strings by Web servers. These problems are not new. Tracking bug #334967 for these problems was written on 21 Apr 2006. The earliest bug tracked by #334967 was bug #166261, written on 2 September 2002 and now closed. Novice users of SeaMonkey and other non-Firefox browsers that use Gecko are often confused about what sniffing and spoofing are. This was readily noticed in the two threads cited above, where one user repeatedly claimed that he could not be spoofing because he didn't even know what that meant. He very strongly stated that SeaMonkey 2.0 was broken but SeaMonkey 1.1.18 was not because he could view two web sites with the latter but not with the former. When instructed how to report his UA strings for both versions of SeaMonkey in mozilla.support.seamonkey, it was seen that his SeaMonkey 1.1.18 was spoofing Firefox 2.0.0.7. When he migrated to SeaMonkey 2.0, the user-set preference variable to continue such spoofing was not included. The problem is usually attributed to invalid sniffing for Firefox when Web servers should sniff for Gecko. The real problem is that servers should not sniff at all. Interesting, informative, entertaining, aesthetically pleasing Web sites can be created that can be appropriately viewed by any modern browser without sniffing, providing those sites fully comply with the W3C specifications. To deal with this issue, I suggest the following: 1. Every detected instance of invalid sniffing must result in a bug report blocking bug #334967. Documenting the problem via Bugzilla makes it easier to communicate the problem to the Web site owner. 2. Today, much sniffing still excludes Opera, Safari, Konqueror, and Chrome let alone non-Firefox Gecko browsers. When dealing with a bug report tracked by bug #334967, Web site owners should be strongly urged not to sniff at all because sniffing is excluding potential audiences for their sites. 3. When helping users to defeat invalid sniffing, they should be advised to treat spoofing as a temporary measure. Permanent sniffing lends credence to assertions by Web developers that Firefox is the only Gecko browser visiting their sites and that no one uses SeaMonkey. Extensions such as PrefBar or User Agent Switcher should be recommended because they revert the UA string back to the browser's true UA when terminating or starting. Further, any spoofing must include the actual SeaMonkey UA string with Firefox mere added; this is required so that humans reviewing raw server logs will see that SeaMonkey is an actual browser visiting their Web sites. 4. Users must be urged to contact the site owner with a complaint about invalid sniffing, referring both to the bug report and to Gecko is Gecko athttp://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Sardisson/Gecko_is_Gecko. 5. Management at both the Mozilla Foundation and the Mozilla Corporation should make similar contacts via postal mail with executives of the companies and agencies whose Web sites are causing problems. (Many executives are still more responsive to postal mail than to E-mail.) Such contacts to U.S. companies should mention that sniffing might yield Web sites that violate the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA); contacts with U.S. federal agencies should mention that sniffing might yield Web sites that violate Section 508 of the U.S. Rehabilitation Act of 1986 (as amended in 1998). 6. If any complaint (#4 or #5 above) results in a response that no one uses SeaMonkey, the responder should be asked to review the raw server logs to see if SeaMonkey appears among the UA strings (see #3 above). -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 ?
M van Ketel wrote: John Boyle wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: question wrote: Is 2.0 a beta ? At this point official no. To the newsgroup: But from a USERS standpoint, a definite YES! :-( Only to a minority groups point of view I think. Mark (no real problems with SM 2 so far) no really true forms manager built in. Newsgroup post that suddenly mark themselves as read but you even read the first post, having to constantly rest the the msf files in newsgroups. Download manger that works but does not activate show up on top as did in SM 1.1.18 hit either N key or next button while in email or news does go to Director but does not open first message (I have a bug filled on this) Default Theme does not have grippies where you can click and drop to topic list so you can mass mark as read then click again so you can reopen the text box to read messages (in Mac version) because designers wanted to follow to the letter some stupid guideline Apple put out for look and feel). Simple email messages take for ever and a day to load. progress bar keeps running until I hit reload. Sending messages Progress bar keeps running then shows message copied successfully but I have to dismiss the window. Not knowing until it shows up whether it was sent. This is to name but a few. I could find some others or think of some others but I don't have time or inclination. It is faster, though -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Collapsing threads
Daniel wrote: Daniel wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: Daniel schrieb: Currently using SM 1.1.15, but the situation has been ongoing. When viewing threads here, I can tap the * sign and all threads are expanded. How do I go the other way, i.e. collapse the threads?? Logically tapping the - should be the answer but nothing happens. Tapping the / does nothing. Anyone?? Use the \ (see the View Menu = threads ;-) ) regards Martin Thank you, Martin. Of course I should have looked at the View menu...just didn't think about it!! Where is the logic though?? If the multiplication key * expands the threads, wouldn't it be logical for the division key / to collapse the threads?? So why was the \ key chosen?? Might check into bugzilla and see if I can find anything. Daniel Added my suggestion to bug (RFE) 215826 Quote I was originally going to ask if the Collapse Thread key could be changed from the \ to the / key, as this sort of makes sense, * to expand, / to collapse, but if the / key is used for other functions, would it be difficult to change the * key function from Expand Thread to Toggle Open/Close Thread?? UnQuote Daniel I believe I am not sure / and \ is not allowed in file names its one of a few special characters. and may be a problem associated with newsgroups and email. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sniffing and Spoofing
David E. Ross wrote: On 12/2/2009 5:09 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: I previously wrote [in part]: Two recent threads in mozilla.support.seamonkey on this issue resulted in very lengthy discussions. See SeaMonkey and U.S. Government site does not work at news://news.mozilla.org:119/so-dntlowokak43wnz2dnuvz_r6dn...@mozilla.org and Web site work in IE but not in SeaMonkey 2.0 at news://news.mozilla.org:119/xfadnab_io4m4inwnz2dnuvz_oodn...@mozilla.org. I can view the the TVGuide site with no problem and I do not have any spoofing set up. I can not view the Government site in SM 2 as I do not have any spoofing set. as shown here: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0 The issue was not about viewing the TV Guide home page. It was about viewing individual scheduled programs. I haven't tried the TV Guide site myself. I merely followed the discussion. Doesn't function correctly on: SM2 FF3.5 Camino Opera, iCab OmniWeb Safari 4.0.4 other than the the log in page and the items below the listings Its bad coding all the way around. on all it looks and operates identically. So whether Webkit or Gecko makes no difference. I don't have access to chrome for Mac won't be out for another 3-4 months in an alpha version and and there hasn't been a version of IE since 5.2.3 for the mac. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sniffing and Spoofing
Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: Two recent threads in mozilla.support.seamonkey on this issue resulted in very lengthy discussions. See SeaMonkey and U.S. Government site does not work at news://news.mozilla.org:119/so-dntlowokak43wnz2dnuvz_r6dn...@mozilla.org and Web site work in IE but not in SeaMonkey 2.0 at news://news.mozilla.org:119/xfadnab_io4m4inwnz2dnuvz_oodn...@mozilla.org. I can view the the TVGuide site with no problem and I do not have any spoofing set up. I can not view the Government site in SM 2 as I do not have any spoofing set. as shown here: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0 These are just more examples of errors being asserted in a Gecko browser when the real problem are invalid sniffing for UA strings by Web servers. These problems are not new. Tracking bug #334967 for these problems was written on 21 Apr 2006. The earliest bug tracked by #334967 was bug #166261, written on 2 September 2002 and now closed. Novice users of SeaMonkey and other non-Firefox browsers that use Gecko are often confused about what sniffing and spoofing are. This was readily noticed in the two threads cited above, where one user repeatedly claimed that he could not be spoofing because he didn't even know what that meant. He very strongly stated that SeaMonkey 2.0 was broken but SeaMonkey 1.1.18 was not because he could view two web sites with the latter but not with the former. When instructed how to report his UA strings for both versions of SeaMonkey in mozilla.support.seamonkey, it was seen that his SeaMonkey 1.1.18 was spoofing Firefox 2.0.0.7. When he migrated to SeaMonkey 2.0, the user-set preference variable to continue such spoofing was not included. The problem is usually attributed to invalid sniffing for Firefox when Web servers should sniff for Gecko. The real problem is that servers should not sniff at all. Interesting, informative, entertaining, aesthetically pleasing Web sites can be created that can be appropriately viewed by any modern browser without sniffing, providing those sites fully comply with the W3C specifications. To deal with this issue, I suggest the following: 1. Every detected instance of invalid sniffing must result in a bug report blocking bug #334967. Documenting the problem via Bugzilla makes it easier to communicate the problem to the Web site owner. 2. Today, much sniffing still excludes Opera, Safari, Konqueror, and Chrome let alone non-Firefox Gecko browsers. When dealing with a bug report tracked by bug #334967, Web site owners should be strongly urged not to sniff at all because sniffing is excluding potential audiences for their sites. 3. When helping users to defeat invalid sniffing, they should be advised to treat spoofing as a temporary measure. Permanent sniffing lends credence to assertions by Web developers that Firefox is the only Gecko browser visiting their sites and that no one uses SeaMonkey. Extensions such as PrefBar or User Agent Switcher should be recommended because they revert the UA string back to the browser's true UA when terminating or starting. Further, any spoofing must include the actual SeaMonkey UA string with Firefox mere added; this is required so that humans reviewing raw server logs will see that SeaMonkey is an actual browser visiting their Web sites. 4. Users must be urged to contact the site owner with a complaint about invalid sniffing, referring both to the bug report and to Gecko is Gecko athttp://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Sardisson/Gecko_is_Gecko. 5. Management at both the Mozilla Foundation and the Mozilla Corporation should make similar contacts via postal mail with executives of the companies and agencies whose Web sites are causing problems. (Many executives are still more responsive to postal mail than to E-mail.) Such contacts to U.S. companies should mention that sniffing might yield Web sites that violate the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA); contacts with U.S. federal agencies should mention that sniffing might yield Web sites that violate Section 508 of the U.S. Rehabilitation Act of 1986 (as amended in 1998). 6. If any complaint (#4 or #5 above) results in a response that no one uses SeaMonkey, the responder should be asked to review the raw server logs to see if SeaMonkey appears among the UA strings (see #3 above). Phillip, the TV Guide site *looks* like it displays fine in SM 2.0 or 1.1.18, but not all of the functions work. Specifically, if you go to the program listing and click onone of the shows, you are supposed to get a box with information on that show. If your UA is not spoofed, you get a blank box. If you spoof the UA as Firefox, you get the information. Please test this and report back. Lee Just saw this: Not SM 2 specific Tried in SeaMonkey 2, FireFox 3.5, Camino, Opera, iCab,OmniWeb, and Safari. They all look the same then act the same. Don't have access
Re: Sniffing and Spoofing
Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 12/2/2009 5:09 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: I previously wrote [in part]: /snip/ I can't see the individual listing's either using a Mac and SM 1.1.18...but I have a question - do you have to log into the TV Guide site in order to see the individual listings?..i.e.; have a subscription? No, you just need to spoof as FF. Lee I couldn't get it to even function correctly on FF 3.5.5 now the links bellow the listings work fine. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sniffing and Spoofing
Arnie Goetchius wrote: David E. Ross wrote: 5. Management at both the Mozilla Foundation and the Mozilla Corporation should make similar contacts via postal mail with executives of the companies and agencies whose Web sites are causing problems. (Many executives are still more responsive to postal mail than to E-mail.) Excellent point. Some of today's top executives are not comfortable having anyone see them typing at a keyboard. For them typing is for administrative assistants, not for top management. Harumph!! That hearkens back to the Fifties when when if a Male took Typing classes, his manhood was question. I considered taking Typing, but didn't want to be labeled a Q. Home Ec, an Typing was the domain of girls and Day Trades such as wood working,Auto Mechanics Sheet Metal Works/welding, Electronics were the domain of Males. Pottery/and leather working was the one trade in which both were okay to go to. If ether crossed the line people question whether you were Q or not. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 ?
S. Beaulieu wrote: Phillip Jones a écrit : no really true forms manager built in. That seems to be a feature people liked that not discontinued. I won't deny it's frustrating when it's something one uses constantly. That being said, considering the number of times it's been mentioned, either they'll re-add in a later version or someone will create an add-on for it. Doesn't make SM2.0 a beta. Newsgroup post that suddenly mark themselves as read but you even read the first post, having to constantly rest the the msf files in newsgroups. I don't have that problem. Newsgroups behave as they should. Maybe some of your settings are causing this? Download manger that works but does not activate show up on top as did in SM 1.1.18 The download manager acts as it should over here. There are some settings for it in Preferences, so you might want to look into that. hit either N key or next button while in email or news does go to Director but does not open first message (I have a bug filled on this) That I confirm. It's inconvenient, true, but I'd hardly call it a major bug. Wasn't in SM 1.1.18 I'd consider it a bug. Default Theme does not have grippies where you can click and drop to topic list so you can mass mark as read then click again so you can reopen the text box to read messages (in Mac version) because designers wanted to follow to the letter some stupid guideline Apple put out for look and feel). Well, then the Apple guideline is to blame, not SM itself. No the blame is following the guideline to the letter to the point of destroying a useful feature. thing is any add on themes have them. Is Apple jumping up and down. No. what they are more interested in its that items such a File, edit. view, options, tools, window, and help and other items on main menu are in exactly the same place and that the control items on each of the menus are in the exact same Place. Simple email messages take for ever and a day to load. progress bar keeps running until I hit reload. Sending messages Progress bar keeps running then shows message copied successfully but I have to dismiss the window. Not knowing until it shows up whether it was sent. No such problems here. Didn't show up in SM1.1.18. This is to name but a few. I could find some others or think of some others but I don't have time or inclination. I'm sorry you seem to have such a miserable time of it, but it seems to be mostly a matter of preference about how things do work versus what you'd like them to (and I,m wondering if something in your systen or your settings might not explain some other of the problems you are experiencing). It doesn't make SM a bad or inadequate product. It more than mostly works as it should. It is faster, though Definitely! That's the first thing I noticed about it. And on my Win2K P4, it was much appreciated! S. I've checked all my settings and they are carbon copies of setting I used in 1.1.18 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 ?
S. Beaulieu wrote: ---snip--- Features that people liked that got discontinued—it's definitely annoying, but it's not a problem or a bug. It is when people depend upon them. ---snip--- -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Phillip Jones wrote: Ant wrote: On 12/1/2009 2:40 AM PT, Daniel typed: Sorry, Martin, where do you get outbox from??? Is this something new for version 2.0?? It doesn't appear, natively, in my SM 1.1.15 (and older) profile!! When you use Send Later, where does it go? Drafts. On my system, it's always gone to Unsent Messages. No such thing as Outbox, though that's an understandable description of what Unsent Messages is. Yeah, used to be unsent messages in my SM1.x too, it's outbox now (either because of SM2 or because it's due to my change to IMAP), should be the same. Drafts is just a temporary holding area for messages you're working on. If you do File | Send Unsent Messages, anything in Drafts will stay there. cooorect :-) Martin Templates is the one where anything put in it stays in it. Drafts is just that, it where you put your draft and then when you choose Edit Message as new and send it. it is sent and move to sent messages. It will stay as long as you do nothing with it . But once acted on its moved. In version 1 (correct me if there are changes in v.2), I can explicitly save a message as a draft, and it stays there indefinitely until I take some explicit action like deleting or sending it. Additionally, the program automatically saves the message I'm currently composing as a draft every five minutes (default, I can set a different interval), as a backup measure. So if I take more than five minutes to compose, there's a backup copy until I hit Send. If transmission succeeds, SM moves it to Sent, otherwise it keeps it in Drafts and notifies me of the problem. correct the way it supposed to work, Now templates whatever is there is permanent until you remove it. when you send something you send a copy not the original. If I manually save a message as a draft more than once, I get a series of drafts in the Drafts folder, and when I finally send it, only the latest version is moved to Sent. I must delete the previous versions manually. But autosaved drafts overwrite the previous version. On Mac if you save as another Draft another copy is added with the exact same name just the date and time is different. In one case, I had a troublesome message in Drafts for several weeks as I went back and forth over how to compose it. Eventually, I thought better of it and deleted it. But SM never bothered it. It stayed put just as if it were in any other folder. As noted above, Send Unsent Messages does not affect the contents of Drafts. It only looks in Unsent Messages (v.1) or Outbox (v.2). The advantage of Templates is that if I open one, compose and send it, the original stays put and I can reopen it and draft another message based on that same template. Each modified version, when sent, is copied to Sent, but the untouched original stays put. And finally, messages saved in user-created folders stay put, too, until the user moves or deletes them. Where do you copy message that may need to be resent to newsgroups. In previous SM and Mozilla You could have seamonkey copy a message and if it needed to be resent (problem at the newsgroup or whatever) you could go to that copy choose edit massage as new. then choose send and it would. Now if you try a message comes up message was not sent, and something about for email only and if you continued command will be ignored. this is regardless if copied to email directory or to the Local Directory. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 ?
Robert Kaiser wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: In a wor, yes. The form manager was left out, ant Phil Chee explained why. He also posted here that the form manager is being reconsidered, which is a good thing. Just as a note, I think it's clear to most people here, but I want to clearly state that we're of course not bringing the old form manager back - what we are considering (and we talked about that from the first minute, releasing 2.0 at all was just higher priority) is to integrate/adopt/build a new form data management that allows viewing, searching and deleting stored form data, similar (perhaps basing on) that existing add-on out there (can't remember the name right now) - you probably know which one I'm talking about. Also, we might look into possibilities to fill out multiple form fields with saved data at once, but we can't guarantee we find or adopt a good solution for that. I think that's exactly what Philip explained, just wanted to make that clear to put into perspective what is being reconsidered means here. And, this is of course stuff for a 2.1, which still has a few months until it comes out, and, also of course, help from you in the community is highly wanted on this! Robert Kaiser I am not say bring back the old code. That's silly. What I am saying is for two or three sit down and run SM 1.1.18 and the Forms Manager (and other options) and see what it actually does. If I could figure out how to open a copy without downloading some emails I would have to copy over, I'd open the old forms Manager and takes some screen shots. I am all for progress and if you can come up with new code to mimic it great. What gets at my craw is because the developers don't use a Feature they assume no one use that feature. What needs to be done is when creating a design is a year before the new design is to hit the air waves is is for the old version be opened and each menu item and preference be documented on paper and Items that would be useful for the messes of users figure out a way to do the same or similar in the new one. The forum Manager must have been useful for even FireFox, or some enterprising young person (or creaky old man for that matter) would not have come up with an extension. As soon as I found out about forms history Manager I downloaded it and installed it, in a Heart beat. It is not quite as easy to use as the previous, but I will make do. I have no choice. The problem with software design is everyone takes a meat axe approach whacking way and removing anything and everything the developers don't like, or don't use and see no use for. when the should be using a scalpel approach. Features were originally put in for a purpose. To make the user life better when using a browser or email Client. Developers should think like end users. Especially open Source developers where they are coding for the users; as opposed to the investors, and BOD, rather than the customers for purchased software. One reason I am such a poster boy for Forms Manager. Is I unlike most here are, I am not perfect. I make typing mistakes all the time. especially since I am a hunt and peck typist. I went to school back in the day when your manhood was question if you took typing, and I never was any great shakes at English, composition, and especially spelling. So it very easy and quite common to make mistakes in spelling. In fact with the Forms history extension I've already corrected a bunch of mistakes and need to run it again to tweak some more as I've added more entries. As an example I was a big fan of intuits Quicken from the day it was first introduced. I have quit using it in last few years when they changed the file format the banks were suppose to use to send and receive information about my accounts, to my quicken software. Well my bank is many of the 100's if not thousands of Banks that have refused to switch over. First because that means new software they must deploy and previously Intuit was just supplying it now they have to pay hundreds of dollars for it. Quicken has lost a big following. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: any way to collapse news servers......
Daniel wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Daniel: If I set the preference news.persist_server_open_state_in_folderpane to TRUE, I would expect the *news* *server* in the *folderpane* to appear *in* the *open* *state*!! No, the open_state of the newsservers, expanded or collapsed, is persistent. ;) Hartmut O.K., so if I leave a server open, the next time I open the mail Newsgroup panel, that server will be open and begin to update the numbers of messages in the news groups. O.K. Daniel No not necessarily. Depends up how you have server settings set in the Mail Newsgroup Server setting set need to turn on each tine first three times I would set 15 minutes as the least time to check. Need to do this each news group. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: any way to collapse news servers......
Daniel wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Daniel: If I set the preference news.persist_server_open_state_in_folderpane to TRUE, I would expect the *news* *server* in the *folderpane* to appear *in* the *open* *state*!! No, the open_state of the newsservers, expanded or collapsed, is persistent. ;) Hartmut O.K., so if I leave a server open, the next time I open the mail Newsgroup panel, that server will be open and begin to update the numbers of messages in the news groups. O.K. Daniel No not necessarily. Depends up how you have server settings set in the Mail Newsgroup Server setting set need to turn on each tine first three times I would set 15 minutes as the least time to check. Need to do this each news group. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: POLITICO coming up blank in SM 1.1.18
cmcadams wrote: But not in IE. For the first time in my experience. Anyone else? http://www.politico.com/ Works for me. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Forwarding and Wrapping
Martin Freitag wrote: Sqwertz schrieb: When I post long URLs they are wrapping. In previous versions this did not happen. It left the complete URL in tact on one line. It is unacceptable to wrap URL's. This has always been like that, afaik. Just enclose your url in brackets and common mail/news-readers will be able to recognize multilined links/urls. example: http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3campid=5336224516toolid=10001customid=tiny-hpext=unicyclesatitle=unicycle Also, I can't seem to find the setting Forward messages as inline|attachment. It's defaulting to attachments, which is also ugly. I've been over all the options in the UI and can't find any settings to be able to change either of these behaviors. Maybe you're getting old and in the need of glasses ;-) http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2882/inline.png SM 2.0 is beginning to seem like a step backward more and more. No, it's you ;-P regards Martin In SM 1.1.18 and below typing or copying a link as long as above would not break and would be a continuous line such as above. I have noticed though SM2 does break it but remains active or if it breaks while typing it does show at destination as one continuous link. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Forwarding and Wrapping
S. Beaulieu wrote: Sqwertz wrote: Also, I can't seem to find the setting Forward messages as inline|attachment. It's defaulting to attachments, which is also ugly. Edit -- Preferences -- Mail Newsgroups -- Composition S. Also from Main Menu choose Message then mouse down to Forward Inline. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Using small toolbar icons size...
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 4/12/2009 12:54, Ant told the world: On 12/4/2009 1:29 AM PT, Martin Freitag typed: Is it me or is it hard to click those down arrow buttons sometimes when using small toolbar icon size? It seems like the areas for them are not very accurate. This is when using SeaMonkey v2.0. No problems here. (using Classic theme) Ah, I forgot to mention I use modern theme. I can't stand the classic theme. You might wish to try Johannes Schellen's Pinball theme. It has its roots in the Modern theme, but it's compact and very good-looking. http://mozilla-themes.schellen.net/ Try venerable modern by SailFish. It pretty good. the best ever theme for SM is SkyPilot but it interferes with the extension quote Colors. If you don't use Quote Colors then it would be ideal. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0
Daniel wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: Danny Kile wrote: Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0. However, it did not work in Seamonkey 1.1.18 either. When looking and the program listing if you click on a show it will display a opening that show a description. However, in Seamonkey if just show a blank. The link is: http://www.tvguide.com/listings/default.aspx Works correctly here Seamonkey 1.1.18 Win7 pro It only works because your user agent string reports Firefox, not SeaMonkey. Heck, here it is from your headers: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090825 Firefox/2.0.0.7 Blast it, it says Firefox, not SeaMonkey. That is the only reason it works for you. Open 1.1.18, click ToolsSwitch Profile. Use that to open Profile Manager. Create a new profile, call it Test. Open 1.1.18 in that test profile, and try to get into the sites you say work. You will fail. Click About SeaMonkey and check the string. It will say SeaMonkey 1.1.18, not Firefox 2.0.0.7. Try it and lets put this nonsense to rest. Lee Better yet I will try it on my Wifes computer , Then on my Daughters computer Unless someone has reset the ua on them. Check the about:config pref to see if iit is also marked userset. Lee Or Help:About SeaMonkey up on the top line to see what version you are telling the world you are using. Daniel First page shows up correctly but clicking on items (Listing items) other than topic items at bottom don't. Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
I kept wondering why the download manager didn't kick in and come to front when you start a download. well I had to change this setting: browser.download.manager.focusWhenStarting;true It originally set to false which means you don't know you've even started a download until you actually open the Manager. In SM 1.1.18 this was set to true so that as soon as the download kicked in the Manger would pop up on the screen. Shows the people designing the program don't even use it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Shows the people designing the program don't even use it. Shows you don't know what you are talking about (sorry if it sounds offensive, but not any more than your statement is the other way round, think about that). The Download Manager is used by almost everybody, including developers, of course. Oh, and I was under the impression that this pref is set to true by default, but I might be wrong, like every so often. Robert Kaiser No offense taken. Not in SM2. In SM 1 yes. The Download manger doesn't even let you know anything is going on until The the dmg starts opening. You actually have to manually open the Download Manager to see what's going on even if you have set in Preferences Downloads open Download Manager You actually have option to open Download Manger or Progress Dialog. neither shows up. Unless you set this config to true. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Found reason Dowload Manager doesn't come up right.
Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Shows the people designing the program don't even use it. Shows you don't know what you are talking about (sorry if it sounds offensive, but not any more than your statement is the other way round, think about that). The Download Manager is used by almost everybody, including developers, of course. Oh, and I was under the impression that this pref is set to true by default, but I might be wrong, like every so often. Robert Kaiser No offense taken. Not in SM2. In SM 1 yes. The Download manger doesn't even let you know anything is going on until The the dmg starts opening. You actually have to manually open the Download Manager to see what's going on even if you have set in Preferences Downloads open Download Manager You actually have option to open Download Manger or Progress Dialog. neither shows up. Unless you set this config to true. I've just found out what I set doesn't work. so its broke. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
