Re: [Biofuel] Happy happy!

[MALCOLM MACLURE]

Happy Christmas to you Keith  Midori and everyone on the list...have a good
one!!! If you don't celebrate Christmas...well just have a great time off
while everyone else is!!!

May next year bring some worldwide sanity.

I'll second that!!

Cheers everyone.(supping a dram of Scotland's finest.ah)

Take care

Malcolm



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Keith Addison
Sent: 24 December 2008 09:21
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Happy happy!

... a Happy chrismess to all!

May next year bring some worldwide sanity.

Amen!

Best

Keith

regards Doug

On Wednesday 24 December 2008 04:24:01 am Keith Addison wrote:
  Happy everything to one and all, peace and goodwill to all the world
  and everyone and everything in it.

  (Thankyou Gustl!)

  All very best

   Keith



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Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage

[malcolm maclure]

Hi Mike,  all.

Glad your experience was Ok. I'm in the UK  a few years ago my dad had a
nasty stroke, he waited on an ambulance trolley in AE for 7 hrs for a bed
in a ward,  he devoted his working life to the NHS as a brilliant
ophthalmologist! 

I do have to say that sometimes our NHS may not be perfect all the time, but
we are damn lucky to have it. I've used AE a good few times  I'm glad it's
there - I can't imagine living with the US system, it seems so elitist. The
US spends trillions of $'s warmongering  yet it can't provide healthcare
for all, a basic human right it purports to promote. No offence to you at
all Mike, but I'm glad I'm British ( there are a lot of things British that
I'm not proud of) I wouldn't like the way the US behaves in the world on our
collective conscience.  

Best regards

Malcolm  

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Subject: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage

My Encounter with [Insert Scary Music] ... Socialized Medicine!



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Re: [Biofuel] Tetrasilver

[malcolm maclure]

The drug companies who want to sell AZT and other such big money treatments,
that incidentally have been shown to be much less effective with more severe
side effects than tetrasilvertetroxide.

 

Sad but true!

 

Malcolm

 

  _  

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Sent: 26 January 2007 10:48
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: [Biofuel] Tetrasilver

 

Why is this a suppressed invention? Who benefits? Certainly not AIDS
patients.

 

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5676977-description.html

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Re: [Biofuel] I.D. Cards and Rifers

[malcolm maclure]

Hey D, you missed something out there when you talk about apathy / sleeping,
 that's stupidity! (Not that I would apply that to all in the US 
certainly not those on this list, so no offence intended guys!!) But the
link below is a testament to the successful job a succession of US
governments have made to keep the majority of US citizens dumbed down 
therefore more controllable,  yes before anyone jumps down my throat we
have 'em here in the UK too! We call them Chavs, lol.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY8u54jFubM


Peace indeed  god help us...whoever he is

Regards
Malcolm



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Hi Mike,
  I am just outside MO, 15 miles east of St Louis.
  Yep, if people aren't worried about the way this country is transforming
into corporatism/fascism , they are either asleep/apathetic or have given
up all hope. We do have the ability to reverse the trend. Stop shopping,
avoid prescript drugs/vaccinations, eat organic, do demos, sickouts, 
slowdowns,
marches, keep your kids out of the military, etc. Do not feed the
beast.
Peace, D. Mindock


 Doug, pause the film and write down the various documentation provided to
 substantiate Russo's claims, then check them out for yourself.  Or, even
 easier, Google National I.D. Card or Real ID Act.  Things change
 dramatically in Amerika in May, 2008, Doug.  Things change dramatically.
 After you have checked this out for yourself, please write back.  I'd like
 to hear what you think then.  D and Jason are in Missouri, you're in 
 Kansas.
 I live in Lawrence.  Perhaps what is coming will give us all cause to 
 cross
 paths.  Mike DuPree

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 Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] I.D. Cards and Rifers


 The problem I have with films such is this is that the information flows
 by so fast, and without being provided a transcript one can't really
 study the issue, perhaps that's by design? I have long understood it's
 mostly about the wealth* and who is able to accumulate it, but that's
 been the case ever since humans banded into tribes hasn't?  I do believe
 they are vastly overstating the capabilities of RFID.

 Doug, N0LKK
 Kansas USA inc.
 *IMO wealth is the better term to use, as there are many things other
 than money supply that can be use to extort the populace.



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Re: [Biofuel] Part of atlantic current halted for ten days in 2004 - alarms scientists

[malcolm maclure]

 


Scary stuff -  some are saying we're wrong about global warming! (shakes
head in despair!)


Regards


Malcolm


 


 


http://lotusinthemud.typepad.com/sujatin/2006/10/part_of_atlanti.html


 


Part of atlantic current halted for ten days - alarms scientists


. No new ice age yet, but Gulf Stream is weakening
. Atlantic current came to halt for 10 days in 2004   

James Randerson, science correspondent
FridayOctober   27, 2006  http://www.guardian.co.uk/ The Guardian 
 
 Scientists have uncovered more evidence for a dramatic weakening in the
vast ocean current that gives Britain its relatively balmy climate by
dragging warm water northwards from the tropics. The slowdown, which climate
modellers have predicted will follow global warming, has been confirmed by
the most detailed study yet of ocean flow in the Atlantic.

Most alarmingly, the data reveal that a part of the current, which is
usually 60 times more powerful than the Amazon river, came to a temporary
halt during November 2004.



Warm water brought to Europe's shores raises the temperature by 
as much as 10C in some places and without it the continent would 
be much colder and drier.

Researchers are not sure yet what to make of the 10-day hiatus. 
We'd never seen anything like that before and we don't 
understand it. We didn't know it could happen, said Harry 
Bryden,  at the National Oceanography Centre, in Southampton, 
who presented the findings to a conference in Birmingham 
on rapid climate change.

Is it the first sign that the current is stuttering to a halt? I 
want to know more before I say that, Professor Bryden said. 
Lloyd Keigwin, a scientist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic 
Institution, in Massachusetts, in the US, described the temporary 
shutdown as the most abrupt change in the whole [climate] record.

He added: It only lasted 10 days. But suppose it lasted 30 or 60 
days, when do you ring up the prime minister and say let's start 
stockpiling fuel? How can we rule out a longer one next year?

Prof Bryden's group stunned climate researchers last year with 
data suggesting that the flow rate of the Atlantic circulation 
had dropped by about 6m tonnes of water a second from 1957 
to 1998. If the current remained that weak, he predicted, it would 
lead to a 1C drop in the UK in the next decade. A complete 
shutdown would lead to a 4C-6C cooling over 20 years.

The study prompted the UK's Natural Environment Research 
Council to set up an array of 16 submerged stations spread 
across the Atlantic, from Florida to north Africa, to measure flow 
rate and other variables at different depths. Data from these 
stations confirmed the slowdown in 1998 was not a freak 
observation- although the current does seem to have picked up slightly
since.

 

 

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Re: [Biofuel] Central heating systems using multiple heat sources

[malcolm maclure]

Hi Jim, 

Thanks for your input. You sparked a train of thought that led to some
fruitful searches on the net – the key was “heat exchanger”. The best way to
set up what I want to do is utilise a thermal store type tank with 3
integral heating coils for solar (bottom of tank), wood stove  backup
condensing boiler (middle of tank). This type of tank seems to be the most
efficient way of incorporating all heat sources  utilising the heat for
both hot water  space heating in one unit with minimal pipe work. But an
added advantage is that it will provide mains pressure drinkable hot water
on demand (using a heat exchanger to heat mains water with hot water from
the thermal store) with fast recovery after heat depletion for both hot
water  space heating. 

 

I’ve found a company in the UK that build custom tank units  I may have to
pay £700 for what I want, but with the pipe work costs (including the solar
collector – home build)  the price of the wood stove it should pay itself
off within 2 years. (I’ll do the installation myself)

 

So hopefully I can soon shake off the gas grid dependency, at least for most
of the time!

 

Keep fingers crossed.

I’ll keep you all posted on how things progress.

 

Best regards to all.

Malcolm 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JAMES PHELPS
Sent: 03 December 2006 04:22
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Central heating systems using multiple heat sources

 

Malcome Wrote,

 

But it's not that simple - a combi boiler system is pressurised, but a
gravity fed system isn't. How can the two be combined in a seamless hands
free manor? 

You can either use a Heat exchanger system between them or you have to go to
a pump/regulator/relief system to run together. I don't know of another way
unless you just run the whole system at the higher pressure. if possible

 

If you consider the simple boiler system and how it works then add Heat
source two you just have to have your fuel valves working in harmony so you
don’t overpressure the system.  Another consideration with these systems is
to have a large volume tank so you can get the heat of the solar stored for
the night when it is needed.

 

G'Luk

 

Jim

 

Jim

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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 5:26 PM

Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Central heating systems using multiple heat sources

 

Hello folks, not piped up for a while been busy - but regards to Keith,
Midori and everyone, hope you are all doing well!!

I have searched the archive but I think I may not be using the right
keywords or too many keywords resulting in lots of wvo references etc - I've
searched the net but all I get is companies selling general services  a
small handful advertising what I'm after but as you'd expect they don't
provide diagrams

What I'm trying to do is set up a solar heat collector for hot water, a wood
burner stove with back boiler to run space heating  hot water if there is
no available solar  a condensing combi gas boiler as a backup.

Sounds simple, of sorts, when you first look at it - bit of extra pipework,
a couple of extra copper tanks, a few motorised valves, a controller.

But it's not that simple - a combi boiler system is pressurised, but a
gravity fed system isn't. How can the two be combined in a seamless hands
free manor? 

Does anyone have any good links, ideas or diagrams for such a system, or
anything close. I know it is feasible because I have seen companies selling
duel / triple fuel source systems.

As far as the controller goes, a great friend of mine is a computer /
electronics genius (he used to work for IBM) I mentioned the kind of
controller I'd need  he said it would be a doddle to build it,  he'd be
glad to do so. If any of you are interested in that  depending on how I
manage to progress with the project we would both be more than willing to
share that technology, however it is early days.

I hope someone can help - my brain is in knots with it now!!! Lol

Take care all

Malcolm


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Re: [Biofuel] Central heating systems using multiple heat sources

[malcolm maclure]

Hello folks, not piped up for a while been busy - but regards to Keith,
Midori and everyone, hope you are all doing well!!

I have searched the archive but I think I may not be using the right
keywords or too many keywords resulting in lots of wvo references etc - I've
searched the net but all I get is companies selling general services  a
small handful advertising what I'm after but as you'd expect they don't
provide diagrams

What I'm trying to do is set up a solar heat collector for hot water, a wood
burner stove with back boiler to run space heating  hot water if there is
no available solar  a condensing combi gas boiler as a backup.

Sounds simple, of sorts, when you first look at it - bit of extra pipework,
a couple of extra copper tanks, a few motorised valves, a controller.

But it's not that simple - a combi boiler system is pressurised, but a
gravity fed system isn't. How can the two be combined in a seamless hands
free manor? 

Does anyone have any good links, ideas or diagrams for such a system, or
anything close. I know it is feasible because I have seen companies selling
duel / triple fuel source systems.

As far as the controller goes, a great friend of mine is a computer /
electronics genius (he used to work for IBM) I mentioned the kind of
controller I'd need  he said it would be a doddle to build it,  he'd be
glad to do so. If any of you are interested in that  depending on how I
manage to progress with the project we would both be more than willing to
share that technology, however it is early days.

I hope someone can help - my brain is in knots with it now!!! Lol

Take care all

Malcolm


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Re: [Biofuel] Trash Talk

[MALCOLM MACLURE]

We should render them down for the fat first!! Can't waste good bio. 

Malcolm



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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Trash Talk

How much energy could we get by incinerating politicians? Would that 
make toxic ash?

Poly = many
Tick = blood sucking parasite

ergo

politics = many bloodsuckers.

BURN EM!

Joe





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Re: [Biofuel] Nettle Juice

[MALCOLM MACLURE]

The juice from rhubarb leaves, boiled up  strained, is supposed to make a
good natural insecticide too, just don't use the boiling pan for food again!


Nettles contain methanoic acid (formic acid)- that's the irritant /
insecticide. But rhubarb leaves contain mainly oxalic acid  malic acid.
Oxalic acid is quite toxic!

As far as the wasps go, I think there is plenty more around for them to
find.

Malcolm




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rabello
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bob allen wrote:

 Robert,
 nettles contain histamine-like compounds which cause serious irritation 
 to tissues of higher animals.  I wonder if your steep would be useful as 
 an insect antifeedant on garden plants?

That's an interesting possibility.  I wonder what a foliar spray of 
nettle juice would do to the aphids that have infested my trees in 
years past . . .  (Ah, but then what would happen to the predatory wasps?)


 BTW, I like milkweed buds similarly prepared- they're a little like 
 brussel sprouts.

Really?  I haven't seen any milkweed around here, but I think your 
Gulf Coast climate is warmer than the one I live in.

Thanks for the advice!  I'm going to give it a try!

robert luis rabello
The Edge of Justice
Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

Ranger Supercharger Project Page
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/




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Re: [Biofuel] Small oil press

[MALCOLM MACLURE]

Hi Keith

The blue-green stuff in the other bottle is a lamp oil heater to heat the
press to increase oil extraction.

Malcolm

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Sent: 26 March 2006 15:19
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Hi Jason

Its a piece of gas main with a helix press in it (like whats in a meat
grinder). the hardest part to find would be the press itself, but
everything
else is just off the shelf nickel and dime stuff. i really cant see
spending
100euros on it when i can build it for about 25. and stick a solar heated
Stirling on it, and you could use a bigger hopper and catch-pan and go have
a sandwich or something.

Thankyou!

More or less what I thought. If it's an AT project then why's it so 
expensive and why don't they make free plans available? I saw 
something on their website about tropical use, sure, that's our focus 
too, but not that way. Maybe they see the NGOs and aid agencies as 
their market. Well, maybe, but I think what has to happen to this 
stuff is that you set it free so it can spread like a weed, if it 
works and it's wanted, or die if not.

Could you put some plans together Jason? Made of common bits. As you 
say the helix press is the problem. I've never seen a discarded meat 
grinder in a junk pile or recycling centre, here nor elsewhere. 
Butchers use bigger ones, they must junk them sometimes. I guess they 
take a different route into the waste stream.

Also, how could it be continuous? You'd have to stop every now and 
then to take the cake out, it doesn't look like it comes out the end 
all by itself like a meat grinder. Would a grinder still crush out 
the oil if it came out the end like that? Maybe if you made the holes 
smaller...

Wonder what that blue-green stuff is in the other bottle.

All best

Keith





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Re: [Biofuel] Value of olives olive oil?

[MALCOLM MACLURE]

Does anyone have any idea what the market value of olives  olive oil are at
the farm gate in Euros.

We're looking at buying a place in Spain with 3000 sq m of groves, so I'm
trying to work out the affordability.

I've found lots of great info on growing olives including maintenance costs
but nothing on pricing of the produce. A friend who has a place in Crete
thinks his local farmer there gets E300 per tree - but the figures seem too
good to be true.

Any help (to escape this rat race - lol!) would be appreciated.  

Regards 

Malcolm 



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Re: [Biofuel] Value of olives olive oil?

[MALCOLM MACLURE]

Hi Hakan, thanks for your reply,

The trees are mature, but I have not been told how mature. Given the
productive lifespan of olives there is a good chance they are still
producing well, this is why I am trying to establish the potential income
from the 3K sq m. The information I have to date works out at us being able
to cover the purchase price within about 2 years - hence my scepticism on
the annual return.but then it would be great to have a lucky break...:-)


I had no idea you were based in Spain Hakan, or I would have pestered you
with lots of questions...lol. Out of interest where are you based?

It is early days yet, we really don't know ALL the facts  we have not
viewed the place in the flesh, we just love the look of what we have seen
so far. We're still waiting for more pictures  details. Once we have those
we will be able to decide if it's worth a trip over to see if it's really
for us.

I do know that Spain is a bigger olive producer than Italy  that some
producers in Spain (because of their techniques) get prices comparable to
fine wines. We would love to be in that same league but realise that comes
with experience  knowledge. So we are just interested in a conservative
figure in order to estimate a basic return to see to what extent it would
cover mortgage payments.

Thanks  regards

Malcolm





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Sent: 04 March 2006 16:29
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Value of olives  olive oil?


Malcom,

You have to buy a finished farm with olive trees, so the economics 
will be clear when you buy. They say here in Spain, that you plant 
olive trees for your children, because it takes 20 to 40 years for 
the tree to produce. Then it is things like the quality, etc. and the 
EU quotas on selling olive oil. It is not easy and when Spain joined 
EU, Italy and France managed to get quite hard quotas for Spanish 
olive oil and wine. If you can get a farm (business) with 
transferable and good conditions, then it is a very good business. Be 
carful and check the situation and get guarantees when you buy and it 
can go well, but it is chances that you will be burned if you do not 
do the homework properly.

Hakan




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Re: [Biofuel] Value of olives olive oil?

[MALCOLM MACLURE]

Hi Tom,



I reckoned there would be up to about 150
trees. Im told they are mature but as yet I dont know what type,
exactly how mature, productive etc. All I am trying to do at present is to see
without being greedy, if we can attain a basic theoretical income from the
olives to cover the mortgage, our other work can fund living etc. If, potentially,
it seems feasible  the location is what we are after, we will take a trip
out there to see if it really is what we want, but not until



Thanks for the input



Regards

Malcolm











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Behalf Of Tom Irwin
Sent: 04 March 2006 20:51
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Value of
olives  olive oil?







Hello Malcolm,











I´d be a bit careful with this one. A hectare is 1 sq
meters and recommmeded stocking density is 300 or so trees per hectare. My
guess is your getting a patch of maybe 100 trees. If they are mature trees they
should produce about 50 kilos per tree. What type of olive trees are they?











Tom Irwin













From: MALCOLM MACLURE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 12:45:43
-0300
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Value of
olives  olive oil?

Does anyone have any idea what the market value of olives  olive
oil are at
the farm gate in Euros.

We're looking at buying a place in Spain with 3000 sq m of groves, so I'm
trying to work out the affordability.

I've found lots of great info on growing olives including maintenance costs
but nothing on pricing of the produce. A friend who has a place in Crete
thinks his local farmer there gets E300 per tree - but the figures seem too
good to be true.

Any help (to escape this rat race - lol!) would be appreciated. 

Regards 

Malcolm 











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Re: [Biofuel] This is not a joke.

[MALCOLM MACLURE]

Perhaps the date falling on April fools
day could be capitalised upon to demonstrate how much of a joke the US
government has become in its standing for democracy, freedom..



Malcolm











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a joke.







Doug - I didn't mean it to offend - I HIGHLY commend what
you're doing - I think it's brilliant. I'm just bringing a potential stumbling
block to your awareness.











I'm wrapped to know there is someone passionate, with a
global awareness, inside the US raising this issue. One of the challenges us
non Americans have is to raise these very issues without being
looked upon as complaining. So thank you.











I also note (and love) the Thomas Jefferson quote you put on
one of your other messages.











The end of
democracy and the defeat of the American revolution will occur when government
falls into the hands of the lending insitutions and moneyed
incorporations.

-President Thomas
Jefferson (a founder of America in condemnation of cartel power. 1743-1826)



Doug - I'm right behand the cause,
the date still concerns me a little because of the confusion it could causeIf
you can find people in the press to publicise what you're up to it'd be
brilliant! Maybe some press coverage (if it's not already arranged) would help
start some conversations across the country.

Good luck

Nigel







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From: Douglas Smith






To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org






Sent: Thursday, March
02, 2006 11:27 PM





Subject: [Biofuel] This is
not a joke.















On Mar 1, 2006, at 8:36 PM, Nigel Kelly wrote:







Let's face it - no-one's going to do
anything like this... en masse on April

1. I (for one) would expect it to be
an April fools joke - I'm not 100%

convinced that it's not right now.







Take my word for it, it's not a joke.











Snigger if you will, but who is doing anything else?











This administration and what they have done to the world is not a joke
either.











I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore with or
without Mr. Kelly.











But I ask all others who have had enough to do it. What's to loose?
Oh..our country.











April 1st. Be Counted. It's simple.
















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Re: [Biofuel] Presidents Ransom

[MALCOLM MACLURE]

Presidents Ransom 



A driver is stuck in a traffic jam on the
highway.

Nothing is moving.

Suddenly a man knocks on the window.

The driver rolls down his window and asks,
What happened



Terrorists kidnapped President Bush and
are asking for a $10 billion ransom. Otherwise they are going to douse him with
gasoline and set him on fire. We are going from car to car taking up a
collection.



The driver asks, How much is everyone
giving on average































About a gallon. 








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Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals

[MALCOLM MACLURE]

Hi all, I'm getting 50kb/s - which means total download time of around 8
days, assuming that rate is maintained which I doubt during the day.

We'll see.

Malcolm

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I'm having the same problems downloading the link, but I'm downloading the
entire web site. I'll see how that goes. So far it's about 30-50kb/s

Logan Vilas



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Re: [Biofuel] Cooking oil isn't just for diesels anymore.

[MALCOLM MACLURE]

Someone should have told them that's not how you make fish  chips





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Subject: [Biofuel] Cooking oil isn't just for diesels anymore.

I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it.  I'm still not sure I 
believe it, frankly.  But if it's a web stunt, then at least it's a 
_good_ web stunt!

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/01/09/strip_out_the_fans/


AP



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Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

[MALCOLM MACLURE]

Hi Joe, 



Sadly, as far as I can gather, only water
is covered. The tables came from the Geigy Scientific Tables 7th edition
 a handy book to have, I used it a lot at uni  but that was a
long time ago J



Im from the UK, but I wouldnt mind living in Ontario..ah well  grass is always greener..



Malcolm











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with vacuum.





Hey Malcolm;

Does it just give VP of water or is it other substances as well??
PS your name sounds very familiar to me. Are you in Ontario?

Joe

MALCOLM MACLURE wrote: 

I have extensive vapour pressure tables prepared by the SmithsonionInstitution, if it's any use to someone.If anyone would like a scan I will e-mail it to you. It should print out okon a standard laser or a good inkjet.RegardsMalcolm




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Re: [Biofuel] NIMBY needs a sock stuffed in it relative to wind/alternative energy

[MALCOLM MACLURE]

I wholeheartedly agree Todd.

At least with wind turbines, should we ever discover the means to harness
cold fusion or similar clean source, all the turbines could be dismantled 
recycled, returning the land back to what it was - relatively unscathed. Not
the same story with nuclear.

Malcolm



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wind/alternative energy

Take a look at the architectural topography in the vicinity of Nantucket 
Sound.

Oddly enough you'll see a belching, coal-fired, power plant.

I suppose that sight, along with all the mercury it emits, is more 
preferable than field of wind turbines?

Betcha' it really increases the property values, eh?

All I can say is that every time I see a new commercial sized turbine 
being installed along another ridge line I get this little surge of hope 
that somebody out there does indeed get it.

Frankly? It wouldn't bother me to see an entire herd of turbines in my 
favorite wilderness places - Alaska, BC, Wyoming, it doesn't matter. 
Anything is better than to continue sucking on the fossil fuel teat 
until we destroy the planet as we once knew it.

Todd Swearingen



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Re: [Biofuel] NIMBY needs a sock stuffed in itrelativeto wind/alternative energy

[MALCOLM MACLURE]

I rest my case Chris

Malcolm



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wind/alternative energy

 At least with wind turbines, should we ever discover the means to harness
cold fusion or similar clean source, all the turbines could be dismantled 
recycled, returning the land back to what it was - relatively unscathed. Not
the same story with nuclear. 

We have decommissioned and cleared are first nuclear sites in the UK and 
they are now part of a business park. It cost the government billions, I 
don't think a private power generating company could have afforded to do it.

Chris




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Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

[MALCOLM MACLURE]

I have extensive vapour pressure tables prepared by the Smithsonion
Institution, if it's any use to someone.

If anyone would like a scan I will e-mail it to you. It should print out ok
on a standard laser or a good inkjet.

Regards

Malcolm



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Jeromie Reeves wrote:

inline
David Miller wrote:

  

[snip]

I'm not sure what you're referring to in I should look for a 50.  I'd 
suggest looking for a dry pump that doesn't require oil lubrication.  
These are commonly used for refridgeration or freeze drying of food, 
should go to the required vacuum levels, and should last a long time.  
Scientific pumps generally don't like that kind of water vapor. 


Would a home grade vacuum sealer (for food bag + jars) be sufficient? I 
have seen many older
units at yard sales (wife wont let me get near her new one that does 
bottles/jars!)
  


Interesting idea, but I doubt it.  It might work for the 1 gallon test 
batches, but I'm not sure I can see it working on a 50 gallon batch.  I 
don't know what they have for vacuum pumps in them, but I doubt they're 
made to run that long.  It wouldn't cost that much to try one though.

The key to the operation is to have the fuel hot and a cool place for it 
to condense.  You don't have to pump all the water vapor out, just 
create the conditions where the water will boil out of the fuel and 
condense in the condensor.  That means a vacuum of 25 - 27 inches. 


That sounds easy enough with a few pipes and some peltiers. How cold 
does the surface need to be
for condensing water in a 25~27 inch vacuum? What about boiling temp? I 
know boiling temp goes
down as the atmospheric pressure goes down but I do not know scale. Is 
there a online chart showing
this? What kind of vessel would be needed for a 25~27 inch vacuum (and 
so I am sure, that is a negative
PSI rating yes?)
  


These numbers have been posted a bunch of times now.

   5 deg. C =  6.5mm Hg
   55 deg. C = appr. 110 mm Hg


As Joe Street said several times on this thread if you keep the fuel hot 
(55C) and have a room temperature condensor (5-10C) you can just run the 
vacuum pump until you get to 27 or so and you're done.  Water can be 
drained out the condensor afterward.

These aren't the only numbers that will work, but they give you an 
idea.  You can do it at atmospheric pressure if you raise the 
temperature enough, or reduce the temp of the fuel by decreasing the 
pressure.  You have to look up vapor pressures of water at different 
temperatures if you want to rigorously engineer something, but these 
look like good rules-of-thumb.

--- David




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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Vegetable oil for machining coolant

[malcolm maclure]

Keith, 

That link doesn't seem to work, Google recognises it but it won't load for
me, shame - I'd be interested to see it.

Best regards

Malcolm


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Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Vegetable oil for machining coolant

Can anyone help Pat Delany with this interesting project?

His website is here:
http://Multimachine.net/
The MULTIMACHINE Works! -- build your own machine shop

Thanks, best wishes

Keith


Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:05:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Delany [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Vegetable oil for machining coolant
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hello Kieth

I have the site Multimachine.net and I run the Yahoo
group multimachine. We have developed and built an
All-in-One Machine Shop that is meant to be used in
developing countries. The machine can can do all the
kinds of operations that a regular machine shop does
and can be totally built from the remains of a
discarded truck and car. It requires no outside
machining and takes just regular hand tools, a drill
and a gringer to complete.

We lack only a few things in the tooling department
before the project can be said to be finished (if
anything like this ever is). One of these things is a
coolant to be used during drilling and milling.

Could vegetable oil,lye and water, or something
similar work? One of our group members thought that
you would be the person to ask because of your
experience witk bio-diesel.

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[Biofuel] Morality test for you all

[malcolm maclure]

  
   This is a tough one Check this - Morality Test: 
   
   
   
   This test only has one question, but it's a very important one. By  
   giving an honest answer, you will discover where you stand morally. The 
   test features an unlikely, completely fictional situation in which you  
   will have to make a decision.   
   
   
   
   Remember that your answer needs to be honest, yet spontaneous.  
   
   
   
   Please scroll down slowly and give due consideration to each line.  
   
   
   
   You are in Florida, Miamito to be specific. There is chaos all around you

   caused by a hurricane with severe flooding. This is a flood of 
   biblical proportions. You are a photojournalist working for a major 
   newspaper, and you're caught in the middle of this epic disaster.   
   
   
   
   The situation is nearly hopeless. You're trying to shoot career-making  
   photos. There are houses and people swirling around you, some   
   disappearing under the water. Nature is unleashing all of its   
   destructive fury.   
   
   

Suddenly you see a man floundering in the water. He is fighting for his 
   life, trying not to be taken down with the debris. You move closer...   
   somehow the man looks familiar. You suddenly realize who it is. It's
   George W. Bush! At the same time you notice that the raging waters are  
   about to take him under ... forever. You have two options--you can save 
   the life of G.W. Bush or you can shoot a dramatic Pulitzer Prize
   winning photo, documenting the death of one of the world's most 
   powerful men.   
   
   
   
   So here's the question, and please give an honest answer:   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 

Re: [Biofuel] Morality test for you all

[malcolm maclure]

Lol Fritz  we wish eh?



Malcolm











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test for you all







Hey Malcolm,





we have got this one alredy a while ago and we came to the
consensus that we would save the Bastard if he would promiss to get out of
politics an recluses him self in a far away Mountainmonastry and keep quiet
there!











F.F.







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From: malcolm maclure 





To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org






Sent: Saturday,
September 17, 2005 3:06 PM





Subject: [Biofuel] Morality
test for you all











 This is a tough one Check this - Morality
Test:







 This test only has one question, but it's a very important one.
By 
 giving an honest answer, you will discover where you stand
morally. The 
 test features an unlikely, completely fictional situation in which
you 
 will have to make a
decision.







 Remember that your answer needs to be honest, yet
spontaneous. 






 Please scroll down slowly and give due consideration to each
line. 






 You are in Florida, Miamito to be specific. There is chaos all
around you

 caused by a hurricane with severe flooding. This is a flood
of 
 biblical proportions. You are a photojournalist working for a
major 
 newspaper, and you're caught in the middle of this epic
disaster. 






 The situation is nearly hopeless. You're trying to shoot
career-making 
 photos. There are houses and people swirling around you,
some 
 disappearing under the water. Nature is unleashing all of
its 
 destructive
fury.







 Suddenly you see a man floundering in the water. He is
fighting for his 
 life, trying not to be taken down with the debris. You move closer...

 somehow the man looks familiar. You suddenly realize who it is.
It's 
 George W. Bush! At the same time you notice that the raging waters
are 
 about to take him under ... forever. You have two options--you can
save 
 the life of G.W. Bush or you can shoot a dramatic Pulitzer
Prize 
 winning photo, documenting the death of one of the world's
most 
 powerful
men.







 So here's the question, and please give an honest
answer:

























































 Would you select high contrast colour film, or would you go with
the 
 classic simplicity of black and
white?

 



Regards to all

Malcolm :-)




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Re: [Biofuel] Bush: What didn't go right?

[malcolm maclure]

Nice one Joe!!! Have passed it on to a
buddy of mine who is a very active bush-basher on the net, so your creation
will surely be flooding round the world, hehe.



Do some more J



Malcolm











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What didn't go right?





As long as we are Bush Bashing...here is a link to
a song I composed for protest purposes. Feel free to save a copy if you
like it and pass it around! ;-) 
(Right click the link and select save target if you want to keep a copy)

http://www.nonprofitfuel.ca/Dubya%20Lies.mp3

I hope you enjoy it
Joe

Richard Littrell wrote:



It also is related to a vote by slightly more than
half of us - or at least slightly more than half of those whose votes were
recorded. I remember in the wake of the election people saying Why
can't you let it go and come together behind the president? What are you
so afraid will happen? Well, look around. This was not just
about a difference in ideology. It's about a frat boy who never grew up
who was drafted for a job that was way to big for him by a group who wanted him
solely because they could control him and get what they wanted from the federal
government in terms of changes in regulations and consideration for the energy
industry. The blind promoted by the self centered and short
sighted. It will take years and the efforts of both parties to recover
from this stupid power grab.

Rick

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the answer to that question goes
all the way back to a certain dec. 12, 2000 supreme court decision. . . .











-chris b.











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Re: [Biofuel] Bush: What didn't go right?

[malcolm maclure]

Keep up the good work



Just as an after thought, have you
considered putting it to video footage including shots of atrocities committed
by US forces in Iraq etc? Could be a powerful message!!



BTW my buddy has stumblebloged
it (as in stumbleupon) So it really is going round the globe now 
in a big way! Lol.



http://www.stumbleupon.com/



Best regards



Malcolm











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What didn't go right?





Yipee! I'm already working on it :-D 

malcolm maclure wrote:



Nice one Joe!!! Have passed it on to a
buddy of mine who is a very active bush-basher on the net, so your creation
will surely be flooding round the world, hehe.



Do some more J



Malcolm











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What didn't go right?





As long as we are Bush
Bashing...here is a link to a song I composed for protest purposes.
Feel free to save a copy if you like it and pass it around! ;-) 
(Right click the link and select save target if you want to keep a copy)

http://www.nonprofitfuel.ca/Dubya%20Lies.mp3

I hope you enjoy it
Joe

Richard Littrell wrote:

It also is related to a
vote by slightly more than half of us - or at least slightly more than half of
those whose votes were recorded. I remember in the wake of the election
people saying Why can't you let it go and come together behind the
president? What are you so afraid will happen? Well, look
around. This was not just about a difference in ideology. It's
about a frat boy who never grew up who was drafted for a job that was way to
big for him by a group who wanted him solely because they could control him and
get what they wanted from the federal government in terms of changes in
regulations and consideration for the energy industry. The blind promoted
by the self centered and short sighted. It will take years and the
efforts of both parties to recover from this stupid power grab.

Rick

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







the answer to that question goes
all the way back to a certain dec. 12, 2000 supreme court decision. . . .











-chris b.











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Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel and diesel engine???

[malcolm maclure]

Hi Karn, 

Sounds like your BD is just right, you may have some water in it so you
should remove it. To test your product do a shake test with water in a 1l
bottle, if it separates ok quickly without the formation of other layers,
your BD is fine. 
What you haven't told us is what year/ make of vehicle you intend to use it
in. In general most people have no problems despite what car manufacturers
say, but always wash your BD is well (3 - 4 washes)

Good luck

Malcolm



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Subject: [Biofuel] biodiesel and diesel engine???

 I was washing my BD with hot water three times and
checking for pH. (it's neutral.) The BD looks
light
yellow clear and translucent. How can I sure that
the
BD does not harm my diesel engine? or any test
method
that I need to do more? Please...need help
regards,
Karn 





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Re: [Biofuel] thanks

[malcolm maclure]

Stelios, 

Many congratulations!! The world needs guys like you  I think you have made
a wise choice for a career. I would wish you all the very best of luck, but
you don't need it - you're well on the way already!! :-)

WELL DONE!!!

Malcolm 



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Dear Prof Allen, Keith, et Al

With your help i made my dream possible.
I received my MSc in Environmental Engineering, and my diploma is titled:
Process development for biodiesel production from waste edible oils and
quality
control of the produced alternative fuel. 
My achivement however which i am really proud of is that i received three
awards
and 2 grants in national level (Greece), and i am waiting for another one
which
i replied lately in France. (very intereresting meeting opportunity to
exchange
ideas there www.innovact.com they have also a agro-meeting section)

My research interest is now on reclaiming biodiesel byproducts ang i am
considering the following: organic fertiliser(compost), natural antioxidants
(polyphenols, mainly from used olive oil),tocopherols, biopolymers,
metabolites
of glycerol (e.x. lactic acid). I think these should be mentioned on the web
site and i could  prepare something about these.

Thank you,
You are all in my heart.

Stelios

Stelios




  bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 You use it just like fossil crude oil.  Further refining will afford 
 just about what ever you want, from low molecular wt gases and 
 distillates up thru asphalt.
 
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RE: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power

[malcolm maclure]

Hakan,



Sorry to here the news of your loss, I
know how you are feeling, we live in a city with our fair share of drug 
crime problems. We have had 3 break-ins  I have lost tools that I use for
work etc. There is nothing worse than that feeling of intrusion  violation;
I hope you can return to normality soon.



All our thoughts are with you



Malcolm






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RE: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, hydrogen energy efficiencies

[malcolm maclure]

Todd, I see what you're saying on the energy output side but the main
problem with methanol is that it has a tendency to attack the  castings in
carburettors. I know because I used methanol in my lawn mower, after a while
the jets became blocked with white stuff, I presume Aluminium oxide. So till
carbs are made from an alternative material, ethanol is the best choice.
 
Malcolm

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efficiencies

Still, all rather sad how ethanol has become the predominate alternative 
fuel of choice for gasoline applications when methanol yields far higher 
outputs per acre with far fewer inputs.

At 75% of the energy content as ethanol, the energy yield per acre (100 
gallons per ton of dry biomass) outstrips corn derived ethanol, even on 
a good day. The real crux of the matter would be to choose crops of high 
seasonal yield, inclusive of those suitable for pre- and post plantings 
of other crops in the same annular cycle.

My book makes ethanol a dinosaur within 20 years.

Todd Swearingen


Keith Addison wrote:

 Hello Bob, Andrew

 Normally I'd agree with you Bob, but not in Pimentel's case, that time 
 was long ago, and now Andrew's response is not inappropriate. Pimentel 
 merits little better than scorn and derision

 Andrew,

 I know you said it in jest, but the unfortunate effect of your 
 sarcasm regarding David Pimentel, one of the nations' outstanding 
 scientists, is to support the ignorant critics of good science who 
 argue that, if I believe in a proposition, then anyone who presents 
 evidence that contradicts my belief is a malicious fool and not to be 
 believed.

 It is true that a few pseudoscientists acting as industry  shills 
 will (for a fee) produce a scientific study supporting any 
 industry-desired conclusion, but your implication that Pimentel is 
 such an Exxon shill is blatant slander, and I am ashamed to see it on 
 the Biofuels site.

 I assume that you wish ethanol's EROEI (energy return over energy 
 input) to be positive, thus making it a useful energy source as we 
 approach the end of fossil fuels. So do I - and so would lots of 
 other folks. I'm sure also that David Pimentel shares that wish. The 
 difference between you and Pimentel is that as a scientist, he says, 
 It's a great idea and I hope it's true, but what if it isn't? So 
 let's run the numbers and seek the truth of the matter. If it turns 
 out the EROEI  is negative, we would be commiting a cruel and 
 expensive hoax on the nation to propose ethanol as an energy solution.


 Not so, sad to say. Pimentel has long been aware that the data he uses 
 is outdated and wrong, but he keeps using it anyway. Implying that 
 he's an Exxon-et al shill is not blatant slander, the question has to 
 be asked why he continues doing this, and asked of his publishers too. 
 This is peer review? I think not. It certainly is not science. It's 
 propaganda.

 I am as disappointed as you must be in his analysis showing a 
 negative EROEI. And I look forward to additional valid studies 
 testing and challenging his conclusion.


 Those have been to hand for a long time, more and more of them, 
 debunking every aspect of Pimentel's claims. Pimentel takes no notice, 
 neither do his publishers.

 But to lampoon his work because you don't like the color of - was it 
 his socks? - is not a worthy act on your part.


 Well, I don't know, I suppose we can take his socks about as seriously 
 as the rest of him.

 Nothing new here - we've been discussing Pimentel's repeated and 
 rather successful disinformation campaign since early 2001. As John 
 said when he posted this latest bout, he does it every year.

 Please see these recent messages, to put it in perspective:

 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg52605.html
 Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel,  hydrogen energy efficien

 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg52756.html
 Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel,  hydrogen energy efficienc

 Best wishes

 Keith


 I'm sure you can do better. I hope you will.

 In all sincerity and hoping that your future jests will be more benign,

 Bob A.
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 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, hydrogen 
 energy efficiencies


 Michael wrote:

 This press release below produced the AP story that follows it.

 July 5, 2005
 Cornell ecologist's study finds that producing ethanol and biodiesel 
 from corn and other crops is not worth the energy

 By Susan S. Lang



Chris Hallman/University Photography

Ecologist David Pimentel, shown here pumping gas, says that his 
 analysis shows that producing ethanol uses more 

RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

[malcolm maclure]

Lol, n1 Mike



J











From:
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New
Blue States/Country











In poor taste?





Maybe. I liked it anyway just because it's different from what I'm used
to hearing.











Mean spirited?





Doubtful. Listen to Rush if you want to hear mean spirited and poor
taste.











God must love you better. and In God we Trust











This must beconfusing to some atheists. Pagans just think your
missing an s. As for agnostics, well, you might have to clarify
exactly which God they need to trust because they're really not sure.











Finally, what's a red neck? That is to say, is it people with a red
neck? I have a sun burn on my neck from working outside so, I must be one. But,
I don't feel like it has caused a major shift in my ideology and I haven't
experienced any discrimination even though people have pointed it out on
several occasions. More importantly, what makesGod love
red necks less?











:-)











Mike






Doug Younker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Ya know I still have to
run across evidence that the Redneck faithful any
less cafeteria Christians, Jews and Muslims than the faithful residing in
the blue states are.
Doug, N0LKK

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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country


 In poor taste. Maybe even mean spirited. God must Love you better than
 us RED NECKS. Oh, that's right, you don't believe In GOD We
Trust.







 I second that emotion...Proud to be a liberal from a BLUE
STATEDB with BD















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RE: [Biofuel] Science Under Siege

[malcolm maclure]

Oh sorry Keith, I couldn't find that one, my apologies, I will endeavour to
search harder next time :-)

Malcolm


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I posted about this in March but I don't think anyone believed me as 
no one seemed to reply.

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg44706.html

I'm still shaking my head in disbeliefŠ..

Regards

Malcolm

I replied Malcolm, for one. It's here:
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/46951/
First-round win against Codex - was: Codex Alimentaris

Best wishes

Keith



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RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

[malcolm maclure]

Lol, nice 1 John. Hadn't noticed that.

Not sure about this tho:

 a) plus Harvard and Yale? Did they get kicked out of the Ivy League 
when I wasn't looking?

Malcolm



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malcolm maclure wrote:
 I couldn't resist posting this.
 
 Malcolm
 
  all the Ivy and *
 *   Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal 
 Tech and MIT. *


a) plus Harvard and Yale? Did they get kicked out of the Ivy League 
when I wasn't looking?

b) And if we get all 8 Ivies, that means we're stuck with Pimentel. :)

jh

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RE: [Biofuel] Science Under Siege

[malcolm maclure]

I posted about this in March but I dont
think anyone believed me as no one seemed to reply.



http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg44706.html



Im still shaking my head in
disbelief..



Regards



Malcolm









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Under Siege







 KISS YOUR HEALTH GOODBYE!


 Carolyn Dean, MD, ND
 July 23, 2005
 NewsWithViews.com

 Thanks to The American Policy Center and
NewsWithViews.com our 
article
with the provocative title, Kiss Your Vitamins Goodbye, flooded the
internet in the last two weeks of June leading up to the Codex 
Alimentarius
meeting in Rome July 4-9, 2005. Millions of readers were on the edge of
their seats waiting to learn what was about to happen. This article is 
a
report on that meeting.

 Just before several members of Friends of
Freedom International 
(FOFI)
left for Rome we were aware that neither the U.S. nor the Canadian
delegations to Codex were going to intercede to stop a restrictive and
compulsory guideline on vitamins and minerals to be adopted that could
overrule U.S. law and Canadian regulations with regard to dietary
supplements.

 And then the moment we were all waiting for - at
3:45 pm on July 
4th
in Rome - we received a slap on the face and a swipe against our
independence. In a stuffy, sweltering room holding about 500 delegates 
from
85 countries and many trade groups only one lone consumer 
Non-Government
Organization (NGO) spoke out -National Health Federation. In that 
instant
history was made and health was unmade -Codex adopted restrictive 
vitamin
and mineral guidelines.

 At a time in history, with the developed world
suffering from bad
nutrition, malnutrition and obesity; with our nutrient-deficient,
factory-farmed food, contaminated by pesticides and herbicides; with
existing regulations favoring packaged, processed, homogenized food; 
and a
developing world not always knowing where their next meal (nutritious 
or
not) is coming from, Codex, under the guidance of Germany and the 
European
 Union, adopted a draconian guideline for dietary supplements that puts
severe restrictions on the trade of nutrients above a certain low 
level.

 It's even worse than that. Delegates from 85
countries adopted a 
blank
piece of paper (risk assessment and safe upper limits for nutrients) to 
be
filled in later when a committee -behind closed doors, decides on what
actual amounts of supplements will be allowed according to so-called 
risk
assessment.

 In my book, Death by Modern Medicine, I make the
point that 
peanuts
are way more dangerous than dietary supplements and include a full 
paper in
the Appendix by Dr. Abram Hoffer attesting to the safety of supplements 
and
exposing the reason why modern medicine and Big Pharma continually 
attacks
them. It boils down to follow the money. The enormous popularity of
dietary supplements is hurting the drug industry -an industry that 
wants to
keep its dangerous drug monopoly over all aspects of our health and 
disease
.

 Something else you need to know is that Dr. Rolf
Grossklaus is 
the
German chairman of the Food and Dietary Supplement Committee of Codex 
and he
just happens to be a risk assessment expert in the German government 
(which
only allows high-potency vitamins and herbs by prescription). His idea 
of
vitamin and mineral risk is whether or not they interfere with drugs!

 As we said in Kiss Your Vitamins
Goodbye, the REAL reason for
promotion of risk assessment is based on two agendas. First, to be 
able to
strip the over-the-counter marketplace of everything but low quality, 
low
dose-level products that won't do much to support or improve health. 
Second
,
to set up the framework to allow Big Pharma to take over the supplement
market as a new form of drugs where prices can be jacked up 
outrageously and
doled out by doctors for a fee.

 Codex also adopted the dietary supplement
guidelines at the same 
time
officials were crying for more money from the WHO and FAO. Incredibly 
the
analogy was made of a child (Codex) asking for more from its parents 
(WHO
and FAO)! I heard it with my own ears!

 Also at that meeting the WHO agenda was rolled
out. A WHO
representative, Dr. Kerstin Leitner, from Germany, Assistant
Director-General for Sustainable Development and Healthy Environments,
promoted the revised International Health Regulations that provided a 
global
regulatory framework for international health in her opening remarks on 
July
4th. Later in the week she admonished the Codex assembly that it was 
doing
very little to support health in its work. You can be sure that she 
will
follow the money. If WHO is going to give more money to Codex, it 
will
likely do so under the banner of Sustainable Development and Healthy
Environments as indicated by Dr. Leitner's title.

 This, I know, will strike a cord with the people
FOFI 

[Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

[malcolm maclure]

I couldnt resist posting this.



Malcolm
















NEW CALIFORNIA BLUE STATES NATION!

Dear
Red States 

We're
ticked off at the way you've treated California, and we've decided 
we're
leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the
other
Blue States with us. 

In
case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington,
Minnesota,
Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe 
this
split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people 
of
the new country of New California.

To
sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get 
stem
cell research and the best beaches. We get Elliot Spitzer. You get 
Ken
Lay. 

We
get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.
We
get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.
We
get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. 

We
get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs.
You
get Alabama. 

We
get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red 
states
pay their fair share.

Since
our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian 
Coalition's,
we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single 
moms.

Please
be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti- war, and 
we're
going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need 
people
to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently
willing
to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don't care if you 
don't
show pictures of their children's caskets coming home. 

We
do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're 
not
willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.

With
the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of
the
country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and 
lettuce,
92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America's 
quality
wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 percent of
all
cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. 
low-sulfur
coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and 
Seven
Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. 

With
the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 
percent
of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92
percent
of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 
percent
of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 
100
percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University,
Clemson
and the University of Georgia. 

We
get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you. 

Additionally,
38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was 
actually
swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless 
we're
discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that 
evolution
is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 
61
percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals 
than
we lefties.

By
the way, we're taking the good pot, too. 
You
can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico. 

Sincerely,

Author
Unknown in New California.








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RE: [Biofuel] Propane - ABio fuel?

[malcolm maclure]

Hi Greg,  all

It's interesting you mention:

Bio Methane generally has to be scrubbed of CO2 and H2S, before it is
useable in any great amount, but, once the H2S and CO2 have been removed,
Bio Methane can be used just like NG (at lower pressure unless you use a
compressor to raise the pressure).

I've started gathering info on Biogas, not for where we are now but for our
planned future move, but I've not seen anything regarding scrubbing the gas.
I had wondered about the need for it. I presume the scrubbing would be done
using absorbent chemicals (trying really hard to remember my inorganic
chemistry but it seems too long ago now!!! Lol) I'd like to know if there
are any innovative solutions to the problem out there. Would water vapour in
the gas cause problems  should it also be removed? Or is all this not
needed when using it as a single domestic supply?

I'd be interested in any comments.

Best regards to all

Malcolm




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Not to cause a problem, but, most of the time, the fuel bought at stores is
Propane ( sometimes MAPP gas or even Butane ) not NG.NG requires special
handling procedures and compressors, that are not common except at NG
terminals ( this is part of why NG powered cars are few and far between ).

I worked security for several years at NG shaving operation, where they
mixed propane with enough air, to bring it down to the same BTU values as
NG, so it could be used in NG appliances.If they didn't do this, the
orifice would have to be changed to one with a smaller opening.If
propane was not mixed with air and the orifice was not one that had a
smaller opening the pilot light in your stove or furnace would be close to 6
inches long ( instead of half an inch or so ), and you would burn out your
stove.

Now, if you lower the pressure of the propane going to the appliance, you
can achieve much the same effect.

The whole idea, is to deliver the same amount of BTU's to the burn area just
outside of the orifice, over the same amount of time.

BioMethane generally has to be scrubbed of CO2 and H2S, before it is useable
in any great amount, but, once the H2S and CO2 have been removed, BioMethane
can be used just like NG ( at lower pressure unless you use a compressor to
raise the pressure ).

Greg H.


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RE: [Biofuel] (no subject)

[malcolm maclure]

Hi Alex, your asking your question in the
right place!



I have a 90 Range Rover Classic that
was converted from 3.9 petrol to 300TDi before I got it, not very well I might
add,  I suspect the previous owner had run it on kero too as the diesel
pump was knackered (clouds of black smoke) Im in the process of a near
complete rebuild (mechanical  bodywork) Any questions you have, feel free
to ask, Id be only too glad to help.



Land Rover recently issued a recall on vehicles
this age group because of fuel line problems. The factory fitted steel pipes
corroded ending in leaks  the recommendation was to replace all fuel
lines with the white plastic type, I think its nylon. Id changed
mine anyway. To connect the new lines at the tank  the pump you use
neoprene tube  jubilee clips that you will get from a diesel rebuild shop,
 it will have fuel use or similar stamped on it, it will be
fine for bioD. I dropped the tank to give it a clean out but it was clean as a
whistle. It sounds like your Discovery has had the lines replaced already, but
to be sure check that the nylon lines run the full length, both ways (mine didnt
 there were 3 different types of tubing!!),  check the black tubing
used to join the lines at either end  if it were me I would change those
for known fuel rated tubing.



As far as filters go, a good place to
start is the diesel rebuild shop, they will be able to advise / supply in line
filters Im sure. I havent installed one as I know my fuel system
is squeaky clean now,  the bio Ill be putting in will be well
filtered to start with. I dont think it makes a difference what fuel
type the filter you have used is, as Keith says its the screen size thats
important.



CAUTION  never use silicon sealant on any part of the fuel system  its a sure fire way to block your newly
fitted lines.



Hope that helps  any questions just
ask.



Regards



Malcolm











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Hello All 

Thanks for all the advice in the past.



After a year of making Biodiesel and not being able
to use it i purchased a 1994 Discovery (at the Right price )

I wanted somthing after 1996 but couldnt afford it so
1994 is it.I have checked for all the normal stuff eg cracked head
,transmission etc and it all seems ok.only some bushes have to be changed and
tyres.



1. My question is about the fuel lines (what seems
like hard plastic of a unknow kind )and fuel system the two pumps. Dose any one
know what type of rubber is in the 1994 Landrover TDI 300 fuel system.Is it
safe to use 100% Biodiesel if not what parts should i change??? 



(I am slowly introducing biodiesl at around 5---10%
so far )but i dont want to go any higher till i get some advice about the fuel
lines etc.I am just cleaning out the system slowly.but dont want to do any
damage.



2. Also what is the effect of using a Petrol
fuel filter but with a mix of Diesel/Biodiesel is it safeI am driving
around with a 2nd new landrover filter incase my filter gets blocked but
i havent found a in line filter for diesel so i am unsure if it is safe to us a
Petrol filter.



Thanks in advance for any advice

Alex.








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RE: [Biofuel] Corolla's Fuel Pump

[malcolm maclure]

Hello Filipe, Keith, Doug  all.

If your BioD is properly made (i.e. a complete reaction) , more importantly
well washed (typically 3 or 4 washes) I see no reason to fear pump failure
even in early pumps. The car companies say otherwise to cover their backs, 
likewise the oil companies want you to keep buying their diesel.

Having the pump rebuilt with a Viton kit in my mind is not necessary. I had
a bosch pump for a ford transit rebuilt (at a cost of £150 on the cheap 
I provided the kit) so it would take bioD, that van then failed its mot on a
badly corroded chassis, I then got another van in the meantime that had not
been converted  that's been running fine for 2 years nearly, admittedly not
on B100, but approx B30. (I hope to use the old engine with the rebuilt pump
as a co-gen system running on B100 - but that’s a project I'm still trying
to make time for - where have we heard that before..lol)

If you choose to have your pump rebuilt with a Viton kit you will have to
take it to a diesel specialist  you may have to get your rebuild kit from
the USA (no one here in the UK had heard of Viton but I guess that may have
changed now, I don't know. It's not a job for the DIY'er - once rebuilt the
pump has to be calibrated on a special machine. Without calibration the pump
will either over fuel, under fuel or be mistimed.

Hope that helps  good luck with it, let us know how you get on.

Best regards

Malcolm



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Hello Doug

Keith Addison wrote:

Hello Filipe

I doubt it very much. Okay, no, it's not true. By 1993 Japanese 
fuel pumps did not contain any rubber, especially not those 
exported to Europe - compatability issues with the 
European ULSD diesel fuel had already ensured that. Our Toyota 
diesel is dated 1990, it's been running on nothing else but 100% 
biodiesel for two and a half years and there is no problem with the 
injector pump seals, nor with anything else.

In fact we've never heard of a real, certifiable, genuine problem 
with biodiesel causing failure of injector pump seals. Fuel line 
problems are rare enough, and seal problems apparently non-existent 
- an industry myth, we think. Well, perhaps they have to be 
over-cautious. We can afford to be more realistic (and to both make 
and wash our fuel properly, which the biodiesel industry certainly 
doesn't always do).

Also I don't think it's true that the pump seals aren't replaceable.

Go ahead and do it Filipe, I'm sure you'll be just fine, and so 
will the Corolla.

Best wishes

Keith

I've spent weeks since my first batch of corn-based BD came out of 
the processor trying to determine what will need to be done to my 
Datsun pickup  before I get to use B-100 in it.  It's a 1981, and 
although it's running alright on B-20, I  have gotten the lengths of 
fuel line I'll need to replace to run on 100%.  I do have the manual 
for this vehicle, but only sketchy information on the fuel pump, and 
seals aren't mentioned.  It's my only vehicle, so I will have 
difficulty removing the seals for comparison at the auto parts 
store, unless I disassemble it in their parking lot.

Has anyone else out there done a conversion on the same engine 
(vintage) as I'm dealing with?  What parts are needed to complete? 
Do I just need a new pump?  Are there rubber impeller seals inside 
it?  (manual says that the pump should not be disassembled by anyone 
less than a certified Datsun Diesel mechanic.  and I'm not one of 
those...)

The manual indicates that I have a Diesel KIKI-Bosch In-line type 
and gives a somewhat cut-away diagram of it, but no exploded view, 
and very few of its parts are labeled or numbered...

Anyone with experience on this, or knows of a connection to Datsun 
that can give me the answer I need will be greatly appreciated, and 
sought after!

doug swanson

If you have a parts number for the pump you should be able to get 
Viton seals for it. Have you looked for KIKI-Bosch information 
online? I think any good diesel workshop should be able to do the job 
for you, shouldn't need to be specifically Datsun, though of course 
they'd say that. Maybe not if all they've ever seen is Stanadynes, 
but that probably wouldn't be the case.

BUT there are plenty of old Japanese diesels that people have used 
and are using B100 in, and we still don't hear of a rotten pump seal 
except in fairytales. Why don't you just do it? In the apparently 
unlikely event that you actually do succeed in producing a failed 
pump seal after all this time it's unlikely to be a sudden 
catastrophe, you should have warning enough to take remedial action.

Does anyone here disagree with this? Pipe up, if so, please do - if 
you think I'm being too optimistic please say so (and why).

All best

Keith


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RE: [Biofuel] bubble WASHING and oxidation.

[malcolm maclure]

Hi Shane,

Good idea, in principle, however the energy used by the gas Co. to compress
 distribute your N2 or CO2 is really a waste when simple agitation washing
would suffice, assuming your fuel to be washed is well made of course. Don't
forget, unless you have your own water supply, energy has already been
consumed to process  pump the water to your tap. We don't want to add to
the energy problem more than we have to.

Regards

Malcolm


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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] bubble WASHING and oxidation.

I'm a NewB to Biodiesel and never even considered
oxidation.  

What would happen if you purged your mixing chamber
with N2 or CO2 and used it as the bubble supply? 
Course you would need to keep everything sealed and/or
purged from dewater to fuel tank.  

Just thinking out loud.

Shane

--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Since I am not a chemist by any means,
 
 Very few of us are. So what.
 
 I was wondering why I should be concerned about
 oxidation?
 
 You don't know? It's been discussed a lot since you
 joined. See:
 

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg46511.html
 [Biofuel] Stirring and aeration - was: re: Stir vs
 Pump Processing
 
 I could see a problem if I was trying to store the
 fuel perhaps,but 
 I use up to 50 gal a week.
 
 How long has your motor had biodiesel in the
 tank/fuel system/IP? Do 
 you think it's all less than a week old? Maybe.
 
 I have only noticed oxidation being a problem in my
 best tequila 
 after many months if I don't drink it fast enough .
 It affects the 
 flavor but doesn't ruin it and I bet it would still
 burn like it 
 should...
 
 Your tequila is indeed highly unlikely to turn into
 polyester resin 
 or something like it. If you're using high-IV oil to
 make your 
 biodiesel you might not be so lucky, especially if
 you bubble-wash it.
 
 Keith
 
 
 DB
 - Original Message - From: DERICK
 GIORCHINO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:21 AM
 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] WASHING
 
 
 Not sure I will talk to you on the week end on the
 phone.. love me.
 
 Huh?
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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 Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:23 PM
 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WASHING
 
 Hello Vince
 
 Bubble washing might not be the best method
 anyway. We still use it,
 but mostly we stir-wash - faster and better, and
 it doesn't oxidise
 your fuel. But you have to process it properly in
 the first place,
 with good completion. Well, you have to do that
 anyway, don't you?
 
 See:
 

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg37251.html
 Re: [biofuel] Questions Speed-up washing biodiesel
 
 Best wishes
 
 Keith
 
 
 hello all,
 
 justa few questions about washing, i have bought
 an aquarium pump
 with two different settings on it Hi \ Lo and am
 wondering if hi is
 to many bubbles. i haven't read anything about to
 many bubbles and
 was wondering. i am washing 40 gallons of BioD i
 will use about 10 -
 15 gallons of water. Also wondering about hard
 and soft water. we
 have soft water here in Vancouver BC and had read
 something about it
 making the soap foam up more. what can i do about
 this or has anyone
 experienced anything to do with soft water?
 
 
 thanks you all
 
 vince zadworny
 
 
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[Biofuel] RE:Confessions of an American Ex-Patriot - Interesting essay

[malcolm maclure]

Long but worth the read - food for thought for the entire developed
world!!


http://www.eoni.com/~visionquest/library/confessions.html


Confessions of an American Ex-Patriot

It all began about a year ago.  I had just finished watching the morning
news over a cup of coffee, and nothing felt quite right.  Having dutifully
pecked the cheek of my wife with a kiss, I stood beside my sporty new car
with mug in hand. The engine was purring away before my drive to work, and
my favorite bumper sticker caught my eye.  ?Proud to be an American? it
read.  I paused for a moment, reflecting upon this.  For some reason it just
didn?t set well, like a lunch eaten too fast.  On the way to the office I
was at a loss to explain, in fact, why it began to seriously irritate me.  I
see statements like these on countless other cars every day, and I wondered
how many people think for themselves these days.  Then the question
arose?What are we so proud of?  As I asked myself this question over and
over again, I suddenly couldn?t think of a single response.  So why did I
have this proclamation on my bumper, if I didn?t know what it meant?  Why
does everyone else seem to have one too, (or a flag or sticker in the window
and yard). Do they know something I don?t??  

My day at work was pretty much the same as always, except for one thing.  I
seemed to raise a few eyebrows over lunch with my question, ?Why are you
proud to be an American??  The immediate reactions were about the same as
mine. There was also obvious irritation about being asked a question to
which everyone is expected to know the answer.  Each person I asked had no
immediate response, and their confusion reminded me of my own.  But then to
my relief the answer that was provided one way or another, was something to
the effect of??Well, we?re a free country.  We?re a democracy, and the
people decide how they want to believe, and you know, that?s a lot better
than any place else in the world, right??   But my sense of relief at this
answer did not last.  I kept the thought that came to mind secret, which
was, ?Yeah, you?re free to believe whatever you want, so long as it?s
politically correct?.  Recalling recent events and the sorry shape the world
is in right now, such responses seemed very shallow.  They sounded like tape
recordings being played on cue.  It was a little eerie how everybody
answered in the same basic way, using the same words I?d heard on television
so many times.  It would be interesting to know if everyone would talk
differently if the television and newspapers were taking a different stand.
I suspect they would be. 

When I got home that evening, I made my wife nervous by talking about how
the last presidential election was a farce.  George W. Bush is president
today, but not by a vote of the people.  I said, ?Yes, don?t you
remember?nobody ever talks about this now, as though it?s ancient history.
But George W. was put in office by the Supreme Court, while the recount of
votes in Florida was actually prevented.  How can a court decide who wins
the presidency in a democracy?  She did not seem to appreciate my new
fascination with being politically incorrect, and offered no answers. 

Afterwards, other questions arose in my mind.  If we?re a democracy, then
why is it that the important decisions of running this country and how our
tax dollars are spent, are rarely a matter of public knowledge, let alone
votes?  Do we really live in a free country or a police state?  Are we
really promoting democracy around the world as the television claims we are,
or are we just installing puppets who do our economic bidding?  I thought of
recent police suppression of demonstrations in Seattle, Portland and
elsewhere.  Images of pepper spray, riot gear, Nazi insignias, and countless
people in prison cells filled my mind. I thought about how the Justice
Department locks people up indefinitely now, without charges, even if they
are American citizens. Bank accounts are frozen and lives are destroyed,
just because George and company says they have ?ties? to so and so.  Our
words speak  of ?nation building? but our actions speak more loudly of.
nation destroying. I remembered hearing how the CIA meddles in governments
the world over, staging armed rebellions and the like, yet without a single
vote from the people involved. How does one establish a democracy by
installing puppet dictators who are on the CIA payroll? I thought about the
?Patriot Act? which makes wire taps, e-mail interception and house searches
without warrants ?legal?.  So much for the Bill of Rights.  I considered how
it?s becoming more and more accepted that neighbors report each other to the
government for ?suspicious behavior?.  What is ?suspicious? behavior anyway,
not wearing green on St. Patrick?s Day??  How will this new ?Homeland
Security? office be used against our citizens? Perhaps it should be called
?The Office of Suspicious Behavior?.  I thought about college professors
being fired and 

RE: [Biofuel] This will make you smile

[malcolm maclure]

http://storewars.org/flash/index.html

Malcolm


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RE: [Biofuel] This will make you smile

[malcolm maclure]

http://storewars.org/flash/index.html

Malcolm


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RE: [Biofuel] Fwd: Acetone as gasoline additive tests - Phase II

[malcolm maclure]

Well I have a result for you all - but not as you would expect:



NO ACETONE

39.4l petrol used

Miles covered = 186.9

mpg = 21.35


WITH ACETONE

42.73l petrol used

Miles covered = 185.6

Mpg = 19.55


Obviously measuring over 186 miles is nowhere near sufficient in terms of
scientific sampling  really there are too many variables in every day
driving that would need to be eliminated to get a more accurate result.
One point I have to admit is that I have been dashing here there 
everywhere in the last week getting ready for our holiday so I could easily
have been more heavy footed this week than last week.

As I said before though, the engine did seem to run better, quieter with a
bit more power  did not seem to be running rich as before.

When I get back I'll have another go  see what happens.

Till then - take care

Malcolm

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RE: [Biofuel] Fwd: Acetone as gasoline additive tests - Phase II

[malcolm maclure]

Doing an mpg test at the moment Keith, another 130 miles to do before I can
report back. What I will say is that the engine seems to be running a little
smoother, quieter with a bit more power - not very quantitative I know.

One observation I've made is that the engine before was running rich - with
acetone as an additive the distinctive sweetness of the exhaust fumes has
gone,  they smell more like that of a well tuned engine. Again not very
quantitative.

Hope to have an mpg comparison next week

Take care 

Malcolm

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Any further results from Biofuel list members yet?

Regards

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RE: [Biofuel] Fwd: Acetone as gasoline additive tests - Phase II

[malcolm maclure]

Hello Keith, Mike et al

It goes well thanks...busy as ever.

Acetone's a better subject than acetylene eh? LOL! (Phew!) By the 
way, we took that tank back to that engineer, and he wasn't at all 
perturbed by what we told him. Oh, he said. Hm. Beware of certain 
engineers bearing gifts.


Yes, thankfully the boom is IN the cylinders  not on the outside. Phew
indeedy!! Bloody engineers...give 'em a few spanners  they think they know
it all!! 

What motor is that Malcolm?

Sorry - should have said. The Range Rover is off the road at the moment, the
flex plate (links torque converter to crank) shattered so while I had the
auto transmission off to replace the flex plate I thought I'd swap the trans
for a diesel matched one I got on ebay (when the conversion was done they
left the petrol matched trans in  the shifts were never right) I've just
finished rebuilding the new trans as it had water in it, so hope to try it
out next week.

In the meantime we bought the current runabout from my niece for £250
because it needed a few bits doing to it  she just couldn't afford the
repairs - usual story £150 in parts but £650 in labour. She was given a
later model by her mum  dadaren't parents great!

It's a 1989 Volvo 740 GLE - 2.3l petrol, non turbo. It's a bit thirsty for
my liking but hopefully we won't be using it as the main vehicle for too
much longer. We mainly do school runs, weekly shop, pick up  drop off
customer's furniture etc. So it's town driving with about 10 - 15% motorway.

My initial mpg without acetone (measured over 186.9 miles) = 21.346
As I said it was running rich.

110 miles left to cover on the acetone mpg test so I should have a result by
mid week, hope so as I'm off to Spain for a week on Thursday. :-)

I'll keep you posted.

Regards

Malcolm





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Sent: 30 April 2005 10:49
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Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Fwd: Acetone as gasoline additive tests - Phase II

Hi Malcolm, how goes?

Acetone's a better subject than acetylene eh? LOL! (Phew!) By the 
way, we took that tank back to that engineer, and he wasn't at all 
perturbed by what we told him. Oh, he said. Hm. Beware of certain 
engineers bearing gifts.

Doing an mpg test at the moment Keith, another 130 miles to do before I can
report back. What I will say is that the engine seems to be running a
little
smoother, quieter with a bit more power - not very quantitative I know.

I think nearly everyone's said that, interesting in itself, 
quantitative or not.

One observation I've made is that the engine before was running rich - with
acetone as an additive the distinctive sweetness of the exhaust fumes has
gone,  they smell more like that of a well tuned engine. Again not very
quantitative.

What motor is that Malcolm?

Hope to have an mpg comparison next week

Take care

You too, and thanks!

Regards

Keith


Malcolm

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Any further results from Biofuel list members yet?

Regards

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RE: [Biofuel] biofuel, waste engine oil

[malcolm maclure]

I take all my used oil, be it engine, or transmission oil to our local dump,
now renamed recycling centre lol, well it's a step in the right direction
I guess. They have a large tank  you just pour it in. It's then reprocessed
to be used again - a far better more efficient  environmental approach to
what is a finite resource, better I think than burning it.

Malcolm



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Subject: [Biofuel] biofuel, waste engine oil

Hello everyone!

Finding a good use for used engine oil, has been on my mind for a while, 
I came across this revolting (sorry) bit of info that someone posted on 
ebay as he was selling his Mercedes. He had apparently fueled it 
occasionally with filtered waste motoroil, which he had obtained free, 
or so he claimed, from service stations.The poor thing wouldn't go 
faster  than 60 mph when fed this gourmet fuel

I've been part of our forum now for a while, and surprisingly the 
subject hasn't come up so I've checked around, and there is an 
interesting piece of machinery
www.clarustechnologies.com/manufacturing_services/oilcat/index.html
this item apparently filters wasteoil and mixes it a preset low 
percentage in with  the fuel, supposedly with no ill effects. Seems like 
a good idea to me except for the price of course, any comments or 
ideas.(Ihope the link works)



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RE: [Biofuel] 2 - Mother Earth News burners and glycerine by-product

[malcolm maclure]

Hello Keith, I'm glad I piped up there, one health scare in a month is
enough for anybody eh? :-)

I think there isn't really a sound plan here unless you intend to cut it
under water, scuba gear  all.

My acetylene bottle is 140cm tall x 24cm diam = 64l in volume (approx)

Say 2/3 of the bottle is wadding  the rest acetone - that gives around 21l
of acetone. But not just acetone. It may seem empty but it will still have
some acetylene in solution.

Yep you could drill it carefully  safely but you want an open ended tube
out of it, that means cutting it with an angle grinder...lots of hot
sparks!!

Acetone has a flash point (closed cup) of -18 deg C / 0 deg F (According to
Merck Index)

My advice would be take it back to your engineer friend  see if he has an
empty Argoshield bottle (for mig welding) this would have no wadding inside
 the gas inside is a pretty inert mix of Argon, Co2  a touch of O2.

Failing that  I know you are in a remote location, but you could splash out
on some steel tube from a steel stockholder, after all the East is where
it's all made these days  it should be cheap.

Sorry to put a dampener on the weekend project Keith - but I would really
advise against chopping up that acetylene bottle.

Best regards

Malcolm




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Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 2 - Mother Earth News burners and glycerine
by-product

Hi Malcolm

Damn, now I won't get that Darwin award I was hoping for... :-)

Thanks very much! A timely warning, I was planning to do it at the 
weekend. (Phew!)

I asked the engineer who gave it to me and he wasn't very concerned. 
He knew I wanted to cut it up and gave it to me for that purpose.

The bottle is outside, it's allegedly empty, and what I was planning 
to do was to drill a very small hole, very carefully and slowly, into 
the top, prepared all the while to drop the drill and run like hell. 
I've done that before, but admittedly not with an acetylene tank.

You don't think that's a sound plan then?

The trouble is it's really hard to lay your hands on empty tanks 
here. There should be loads of empty gas tanks around that have 
passed their use-by date but we haven't got anywhere trying to locate 
a source for them.

Point of safety

 I'll build another burner unit like the adapted Mother Earth burner
described in the previous post, with a forced-air supply like the first
one,
but much smaller. I've got an empty acetylene tank

 (oxy-acetylene) about 9 diameter, and I'll use that, cut down,

I wouldn't recommend cutting up an acetylene bottle!!

Acetylene cannot be compressed safely to any useful degree on its own - in
fact the first attempt to compress it actually killed those working on the
project!!! BANG

To get the acetylene to compress it is dissolved in acetone. The bottle
actually contains felt wadding soaked in acetone that's why acetylene
bottles, when you tap them, don't ring like oxygen bottles.

PLEASE LEAVE ACETYLENE BOTTLES ALONE

Safety first!!

Indeed!

Thanks again Malcolm

Keith



Malcolm


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RE: [Biofuel] 2 - Mother Earth News burners and glycerine by-product

[malcolm maclure]

Hi Keith,

I'm glad to hear you've decided against doing a bit of backyard bomb
disposal!!!

Nothing's cheap in Japan, it's either expensive or free (gomi, junk). 
Actually not quite true, there's quite a lot of stuff from China here 
now, good quality, low prices, made for Japanese companies that 
sub-contract there. I don't think it's such a good idea to buy this 
stuff, considering the working conditions in some (many) of those 
factories, and it's taking work from small local companies here, 
which are suffering. Same story everywhere! But how do you resist a 
high-quality angle cutter for $15 when you need an angle cutter and 
the others are $50? We're not exactly rich, pennies really count. I 
badly needed a new vice (vise, LOL!) and found one yesterday for $10, 
a third of the price of the others, and again, good quality. So we 
bought it, of course. Nice piece of kit.

It's the old globalisation thingy - an uncomfortable position for all but
inevitable. Who can blame China for wanting to get in on the act. Our or for
that matter any nations history has its fair share of exploitation in its
quest for market share. I don't know the ideal answer  to be honest I don't
think there is one. Whatever the approach someone somewhere looses out, some
more than others.

If you buy British, workers here keep their jobs, but the Chinese workers
have to endure non existent health  safety for longer. Buy from China 
health  safety can be introduced sooner as their economy grows, but jobs
are lost in Britain. 

Anyway, I'm no economist, as my bank manager will confirm, so I'll have to
leave that debate for others, before I get out of my depth.

Suffice it to say I've been in a similar dilemma when needing to buy a piece
of kit - it's a hard choice to make.

 I've got some steel tube, but it's a little too small for this, only 
7. And I think that inward curve at the top if you cut a 5 or 6 
hole in the top of a 9 bottle is useful. I'll keep looking, I'll 
come up with something. There's no great hurry. Perhaps time for 
another bash at defunct homegas bottles, fruitless as it's been 
before.

Couple of other ideas:

Would boiler / stove flue or the galvanised steel ducting that's used in
sawdust extraction systems in woodworking shops be of any use?

I'm sure something will turn up - it usually does if you hunt around enough.

Good luck with it

Take care!!

Malcolm




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Sent: 08 April 2005 08:53
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by-product

Hello Malcolm

Hm, much as I feared.

Hello Keith, I'm glad I piped up there, one health scare in a month is
enough for anybody eh? :-)

Yes! You've saved my bacon. On the other hand, there are no regrets 
with a Darwin award, considering you ain't around anymore, or not in 
one piece anyway. :-)

I'm very glad you piped up Malcolm.

I think there isn't really a sound plan here unless you intend to cut it
under water, scuba gear  all.

My acetylene bottle is 140cm tall x 24cm diam = 64l in volume (approx)

Say 2/3 of the bottle is wadding  the rest acetone - that gives around 21l
of acetone. But not just acetone. It may seem empty but it will still have
some acetylene in solution.

So I feared.

Yep you could drill it carefully  safely but you want an open ended tube
out of it, that means cutting it with an angle grinder...lots of hot
sparks!!

Yikes! :-( I'd perhaps have managed the little hole okay, but then 
I'd have probed it somehow or another, and might not have continued 
if I'd hit anything but emptiness.

Acetone has a flash point (closed cup) of -18 deg C / 0 deg F (According to
Merck Index)

Not a job for a warm spring day then.

My advice would be take it back to your engineer friend

Um, yes, I'd already decided that, we'll be visiting him next weekend.

 see if he has an
empty Argoshield bottle (for mig welding) this would have no wadding inside
 the gas inside is a pretty inert mix of Argon, Co2  a touch of O2.

I don't think he has any other bottles, but I'll try.

Failing that  I know you are in a remote location, but you could splash
out
on some steel tube from a steel stockholder, after all the East is where
it's all made these days  it should be cheap.

Nothing's cheap in Japan, it's either expensive or free (gomi, junk). 
Actually not quite true, there's quite a lot of stuff from China here 
now, good quality, low prices, made for Japanese companies that 
sub-contract there. I don't think it's such a good idea to buy this 
stuff, considering the working conditions in some (many) of those 
factories, and it's taking work from small local companies here, 
which are suffering. Same story everywhere! But how do you resist a 
high-quality angle cutter for $15 when you need an angle cutter and 
the others are $50? We're not exactly rich, pennies really count. I 
badly needed a new vice (vise, LOL!) 

RE: [Biofuel] 2 - Mother Earth News burners and glycerine by-product

[malcolm maclure]

Hello Tim,

They have a porous plug at the top of the cylinder to contain the acetylene.
But no complete liner to my knowledge, the books I have are old though so
things may have changed. In one respect for sure cylinders have changed, the
old cylinders used to have a safety valve at the base, but mine hasn't, I
think they are incorporated in the valve at the top these days.

In case anyone is interested: (taken from Welding by S M Algar pub 1962 An
Arco Handybook) Also confirmed in The BOC Handbook for Oxy Acetylene Welders
pub 1943)

Acetylene cannot be compressed safely above 30 - 40 lb/sq in. Above this
pressure it decomposes  often explodes. British law prevents it being
compressed higher than 22 lb/sq in. Then it was discovered acetone at
atmospheric pressure will dissolve 25 times its own volume of acetylene 
375 times its volume at 15 atmospheres. The packing material within the
cylinder can be charcoal, balsa wood, kapok or special porous cements (I
presume nowadays that means ceramic fibre wadding) The purpose of the filler
material is to effectively reduce the volume into smaller pockets to help
prevent an explosion wave from forming. All this enables acetylene cylinders
to be filled to 225 - 250 lb/sq in. (15 - 16 atmospheres) Cylinders should
be stored upright. Laying them on their side or in the sun can result in a
fountain of acetone coming from the valve rather than the desired acetylene.

Regards

Malcolm


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Malcom,

If memory serves me correctly...acetylene tanks are also made with a
somewhat porous inner wall to aid in containing the acetone.

Am I correct on this?


Best wishes,
Tim

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RE: [Biofuel] 2 - Mother Earth News burners and glycerine by-product

[malcolm maclure]

Hi Bob,

Although acetone is miscible with water I think the packing material in the
cylinder would prevent the water reaching anywhere significant into it, let
alone the bottom of the cylinder, leaving an unflushed pocket of unknown
size. Still risky in my view. Not recommended.

Regards

Malcolm

 

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Sent: 08 April 2005 19:37
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by-product

Couldn't one just purge the tank with a couple dozen volumes of water to 
remove any residual acetone/acetylene and then start cutting, drilling 
etc. ?


Tim Ferguson wrote:
 Malcom,
 
 If memory serves me correctly...acetylene tanks are also made with a
somewhat porous inner wall to aid in containing the acetone.

-- 
Bob Allen
http://ozarker.org/bob

Science is what we have learned about how to keep
from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman

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RE: [Biofuel] Kerosene

[malcolm maclure]

Hi Chris,

Certainly blend it with bioD - I would tend to have a higher proportion of
bioD than 50/50 though, just to be safe.

On no account use straight kero - in time it will wreck your diesel pump as
it does not have the lubrication properties of dinoD or bioD.

Kero will not work in a petrol engine because of its low carburetion
properties - my father  a fellow student however, during post war
rationing, had an Austin 7  regularly had to drive to  from Leicester to
St. Andrews where he was at uni studying medicine. The journey would have
used up a years worth of petrol rations. So they begged extra petrol from
family  blended it with kero  acetone to make up the volume. He said it
ran really well on the mix but tended to billow clouds of white smoke under
power. I don't suppose modern petrol engines would be quite so forgiving for
such a mix.
 
Cheers

Malcolm



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Subject: [Biofuel] Kerosene

I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres of
free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when the
fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it.

They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it.

Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If not
I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO
Chris Kelly

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RE: [Biofuel] Kerosene

[malcolm maclure]

Lol Keith!

Sorry, it's a symptom of being a member of such a multi cultural list :-)

Malcolm



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Sent: 07 April 2005 16:02
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Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Kerosene

Hi Malcolm and all

What's all this then Malcolm, an Englishman talking of kero??? LOL! 
Pond? What pond? The only thing on the other side is the edge of the 
world, not as is alleged a whole bunch of folks who talk of kerosene 
when they mean paraffin - they all fell off. World not flat, hmphh.

Anyway, from a previous message about using, um, kero:

I'm told it's done in Sri Lanka, probably in other countries. Maybe 
they start up on petrol (gasoline) (in America they haven't spoken 
it for years), but anyway they run a paraffin (kerosene) fuel line 
round the exhaust manifold to heat it up first. I think that means 
hot, not just warm. I guess they know just how to do it, and how 
not to do it too - probably not something to chuck guesses at.

Best

Keith


Hi Chris,

Certainly blend it with bioD - I would tend to have a higher proportion of
bioD than 50/50 though, just to be safe.

On no account use straight kero - in time it will wreck your diesel pump as
it does not have the lubrication properties of dinoD or bioD.

Kero will not work in a petrol engine because of its low carburetion
properties - my father  a fellow student however, during post war
rationing, had an Austin 7  regularly had to drive to  from Leicester to
St. Andrews where he was at uni studying medicine. The journey would have
used up a years worth of petrol rations. So they begged extra petrol from
family  blended it with kero  acetone to make up the volume. He said it
ran really well on the mix but tended to billow clouds of white smoke under
power. I don't suppose modern petrol engines would be quite so forgiving
for
such a mix.

Cheers

Malcolm



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Sent: 07 April 2005 09:02
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Subject: [Biofuel] Kerosene

I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres
of
free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when
the
fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it.

They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it.

Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If
not
I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO
Chris Kelly

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RE: [Biofuel] 2 - Mother Earth News burners and glycerine by-product

[malcolm maclure]

Point of safety

 

I'll build another burner unit like the adapted Mother Earth burner
described in the previous post, with a forced-air supply like the first one,
but much smaller. I've got an empty acetylene tank

(oxy-acetylene) about 9 diameter, and I'll use that, cut down,

 

 

I wouldn't recommend cutting up an acetylene bottle!!

 

Acetylene cannot be compressed safely to any useful degree on its own - in
fact the first attempt to compress it actually killed those working on the
project!!! BANG

 

To get the acetylene to compress it is dissolved in acetone. The bottle
actually contains felt wadding soaked in acetone that's why acetylene
bottles, when you tap them, don't ring like oxygen bottles.

 

PLEASE LEAVE ACETYLENE BOTTLES ALONE

 

Safety first!!

 

Malcolm

 

 

 

 

 

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Sent: 07 April 2005 16:03
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Biofuel] 2 - Mother Earth News burners and glycerine by-product

 

The problem, as such, remains - what to do with the by-product? We 

have about 500 litres of it that we were hoping against hope to use 

as a winter heating fuel, but that seems to be out (see previous).

 

First of all, this Turk-type burner here:

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html

Journey to Forever 90-litre processor

 

Scroll down a bit more than halfway to The pre-heating tank.

 

On the right is our Turk-type burner, which burns raw by-product 

from the biodiesel process. It burns very hot! It's made out of a 

sawn-off fire-extinguisher, 4 in diameter, a stainless steel mug 

(the wick), and a curry can. The fuel reservoir is salvaged from a 

dead kerosene space heater, the squirrel-cage fan from a dead 

kerosene water heater. It takes less than an hour to heat 60 litres 

and uses 700 ml of by-product to do so. The outlet (lid) of the fuel 

tank has a valve that keeps a constant level of fuel in the reservoir 

below; connected by a 1/4 copper pipe, the same fuel level is 

maintained in the burner.

 

The fuel tank level solves the problem of continuous feed, but it 

doesn't really help - it burns for about 45 minutes or so, which is 

enough to pre-heat the oil, but then it gets so gunged up with sticky 

black stuff that it chokes itself to death and has to be cleaned out 

before you can continue. Which is why there's not more information 

about it at our site - useful, but limited.

 

I don't think any Turk burner can get hot enough to burn this stuff 

without getting gunged up.

 

I see lots of talk about Babington burners, but, please tell me if 

I'm wrong, from what I can make out what those people mostly seem to 

do is fiddle about with them. At any rate I don't plan to fiddle with 

Babington burners and tiny holes in doorknobs and so on.

 

I'll build another burner unit like the adapted Mother Earth burner 

described in the previous post, with a forced-air supply like the 

first one, but much smaller. I've got an empty acetylene tank 

(oxy-acetylene) about 9 diameter, and I'll use that, cut down, with 

the air-pipe going in the side instead of the top and a 6 hole cut 

in the top for the heat to emerge so it can be used as a stove. I'll 

use it with 5% meth biodiesel to heat the by-product for methanol 

reclamation. You get most of the methanol back by the time the temp 

reaches about 105 deg C; to get all of it you'd probably have to take 

it up to about 150 deg C. Up to now, for us at any rate, even 105 deg 

C has meant more energy input than the reclamation is worth. But this 

way it's more or less free, so it would be worth it. Our biodiesel is 

an economic proposition anyway, even without reclaiming the methanol, 

so any methanol reclaimed is jam on the top, if it can be done 

cheaply. We should get enough methanol back to make about 600 litres 

of 5% biodiesel, lots of winter heat for nothing.

 

We might also use the stove for pre-heating the oil for biodiesel, 

but on the other hand our roarer pressure stove running on 

biodiesel does that very well, and probably with less fuss - there's 

not a lot of room there at the pre-heating tank, and the burner will 

be much bigger than the pressure stove, especially with its fuel tank 

and the fan.

 

So much for the methanol, but the question remains of what to do with 

the rest of the by-product.

 

Separating it into its components with phosphoric acid would give us 

FFAs (which might burn well in the forced-air burner), plus 

industrial grade glycerin, plus potassium phosphate salts - chemical 

fertiliser, but we don't have any use for chemical fertiliser, we 

don't have a market for the glycerine, and phosphoric acid is 

expensive. And we'll have removed the methanol by then, so it won't 

separate anyway (though we could separate it first and reclaim the 

methanol from the glycerine portion). Separation's here, by the way:

RE: [OFF TOPIC] Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come

[malcolm maclure]

Won't argue with your figures,  I ain't a historian so please if anyone
knows different please say so, but to my knowledge the assistance provided
by the US to Britain during WWII was not free. It had to be paid back, at
least in part, which is why rationing continued in Britain for so long, well
after the end of the war.

Regards

Malcolm


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Hakan, you are not well informed.

World War II killed and missing
...armed forces KM... total population of country

Australia26,976.6 million

New Zealand..11,625.2 million

Canada...42,04211 million

Britain.357,11645 million

France..210,00045 million

USA.405,399...125 million

USSR..low est.6,115,000...170 million?

Germany...3,500,00065 million

Japan.1,270,00080 million

Finland..80,000.3 million


The initial landings of the Normandy invasion comprised
Infantry divisions 2 USA, 2 British, 1 Canadian
Airborne divisions 2 USA, 1 British
By the end of the war in Europe the Americans had about 2.5 million men
on the continent, the British about 850,000.

In the Pacific, the way from Pearl Harbor to Okinawa was a hard
bloody slog. The U.S. Navy and Marines alone had about 60,000 killed and
missing, almost all in the Pacific. The U.S. navy had 5 fleet carriers
sunk, at least one other was never returned to service after being
damaged, and lost many other lesser warships. In August 1945 Japan was
incapable of doing anything except resisting am invasion with existing
stockpiles; it could acquire or make no fuel and little in the way of
weapons or ammunition. It could not threaten its enemies seriously.
The atomic bombs were a political weapon useful in persuading the insane
Japanese army-controlled government to surrender, as well as in
intimidating the USSR. The Allies could have blockaded the Japanese home
islands until the Japanese surrendered, but the American people and
politicians weren't willing to wait.

The USA, once the Japanese and Germans insisted that it join the war, made
a tremendous military and naval effort. In addition the Soviet war effort
was heavily dependent on American supplies for everything from food to
aluminum. The mobility of the Red Army depended largely on tens of
thousands of American trucks.

The British war effort also depended heavily on supplies and
equipment provided free by the U.S. - after the British had
bankrupted themselves carrying on the war almost single-handed.

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada


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RE: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device

[malcolm maclure]

Lol, love it...ermI'm a misguided prattI'll subscribe where
do I sign..:-)

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Sent: 01 April 2005 20:43
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Hi Craig

Keith,
I haven't laughed that hard in the past 74 3/8 hours! Oh well I put 
a stop payment on my $1,000 check just to get in line to order the 
15:1 energy unit! Still looking for that cold fusion guy from RONCO!

:-) Great, isn't it? Humans, you gotta love 'em!

While you've got your checkbook handy... Never mind the guy from 
RONCO, I've developed this wonderful technique of producing cold 
fusion in a Dr Pepper bottle, just add the secret ingredients and 
shake it 3.5 times... Interested?

Keith


  - Original Message -
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  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device


  I see why they call it down under now.Perpetural motion isn't
possible
  on this planet.   I think not in this universe.This guy has slid
over
  into another dimension or what?
  
  JD2005


  Eric Krieg lists 78 free energy scams here, doesn't seem to get into
  the zero-point stuff and instant cold fusion, so there's all that
  besides:
  http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.htmlhttp://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html
  Eric's history of Perpetual Motion and Free Energy Machines

  Plus:
  How to become a Free Energy con man
  http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htmhttp://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm

  And:
  The Museum of Unworkable Devices
 
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htmhttp://www.lhup.edu/~d 
simanek/museum/unwork.htm

  Enjoy!

  Keith



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  To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:45 AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device
  
  
  This device (see attached pic) is due for release, starting in Australia
  where Lutec Pty Ltd is located...

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RE: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?

[malcolm maclure]

Hi Keith, I've been away doing a few pre Easter antique fairs - didn't find
out about your trip to H till tonight - you being overdoing it again? Tut
tut!!at your age:-)^

Seriously, hope you're feeling better  on the road to recovery - powered by
BioD I hope...:-)

Take care friend - take it easy! - light duties only for a while methinks!!!

Best regards

Malcolm

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RE: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list

[malcolm maclure]

Martin, don't be so hard on yourself m8!!!

As others have said you have done what you could with what you had - isn't
that what we here are all well accustomed to do? If something doesn't work
quite right - we adapt.

I feel a sense of responsibility now for the fact that the web space I had
promised, through Mike, has taken so long to be set up merely due to lack of
proper communication, through no ones fault. 

As far as the quality of content of discussion on the list - this is not
down to you - it is the list members that enrich this aspect. The fact that
you, Keith  all the rest of us may be preoccupied with projects, work,
family etc to be able to contribute to the list on current or new topics of
discussion is irrelevant. Lists have quiet times just like any other
organisation you can imagine.

Chill out - you are doing a grand job -  whilst you may think this just
ain't working right! - everything will fall into place - we all work to
this principle by the nature of what we do - you are a big part of that so
stick with it - you are needed!

I need to know if the mirror server we offered is set up  working ok - if
not I will chase it up - but please spam me till we have it set up, there
is no reason why this should all be on your shoulders, so speak up m8y.

We have a critical job to do - we can't give up now!

Best regards

Malcolm






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RE: [Biofuel] Goodbye to two friends BP Amoco Texas City Refinery

[malcolm maclure]

Mike, my thoughts are with you!

I lost a family friend, more of an uncle in the Piper Alpha disaster when
I was in my teens. Then a couple of years later lost a cousin who fell from
a crane, again working on a rig.

It's a dangerous business  all too often lessons are learned when it's too
late for loved ones, friends or workmates.

Hope you are ok

Malcolm 




 AntiFossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I received word this morning that two of the people
 killed in the
 explosion at the BPA/TC Refinery were longtime
 friends of mine. One
 going back to the days when I worked at that same
 plant, and the other
 going back to our high school days. I find it
 astonishing every time
 something like this happens, whether in Texas City,
 or a little
 further north on the Houston ship channel itself,
 that the entire
 southeast corner of Texas doesn't simply implode. If
 John Q. Public
 knew exactly what quantities of flammables,
 explosives, corrosives,
 and oxidizers alone where stored within 1 mile of
 this most recent
 explosion alone, I think he/she would simply pass
 out from fear once
 that information was made known to them.
 
 I have been gathering every news story I can find
 on this event. I
 have seen quite a few references to could this have
 been a terrorist
 attack? Not being someone who believes in starting
 rumors, and
 hating those who enjoy fostering panic, I will say
 this, For this
 particular explosion/series of explosions to have
 been a terrorist
 attack 1) it would have had to have been initiated
 from inside the
 plant, due to the location of the unit involved, and
 2) that would
 have been virtually impossible to accomplish without
 being witnessed
 by someone, either on view, or via security cameras.
 
 I will be leaving this evening for Houston, so that
 I can be at the
 ceremonies, both planned for Saturday. I humbly ask
 for your prayers,
 your blessings, your encouragements, and your
 condolences for the
 families of all those killed in this tragedy, as
 well as for those
 still fighting their battles to live. My thoughts
 and prayers will be
 with them during my travels.
 
 Thank you fellow list members,
 Mike Krafka

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RE: [Biofuel] Biofuel and my home oil furnace.

[malcolm maclure]

Hi Tim,

Something I did forget to mention

You might want to look into changing the jet aperture on the burner (should
be a simple case of buying a correct sized part  swapping) The reason being
the viscosity difference between heating Dino oil  BioD. Sorry I can't give
exact specs - I've seen a superb link somewhere for what you need, I just
can't find it. If I find it I'll post it for you. I'm working towards a BioD
heated home myself, but I'm just so far behind compared to where I wanted to
be by now - I should start turning work away!

Regards

Malcolm



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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel and my home oil furnace.

Thanks everyone. This looks promising and something I will be looking
into with a bail hay barn I'm planning on.

Jules, I found some great info after I googled. 
http://www.google.com/search?q=biodiesel+home+heating+fuel

By the way Ray, $1.19 is what I remember it being at... I prepay for
my oil during the summer and haven't had a refill in a long time, so I
could be wrong. Your $1.89 could be closer to what I actually paid.
It's one of those things I like to try and forget.

Cheers,
Tim

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RE: [Biofuel] testing

[malcolm maclure]

Got it m8y

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this is a test
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RE: [Biofuel] Diesel engines

[malcolm maclure]

Yep, just seen a Nissan engine  box to fit a Range Rover go for £200 on
Ebay. Not bad considering Land Rover 300TDi's can go for 2 or 3 times that.

Malcolm



Let me add my 2 cents. Ebay has had a  few of the below mentioned engines
for sale recently. Keep an eye open there.
- Original Message - 
From: Anthony Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:51 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Diesel engines


 If you really want a diesel vehicle and are not satisfied with what's
 available, find a small pickup with a blown engine and replace it with a
 diesel out of a junkyard.  In the eighties, Toyota, Nissan, Isuzu, and
Mazda
 all made diesels for small trucks, and some of them can still be found.
 Maxima had a fine 6 cylinder with a 5 speed manual, if you can fine one -
it
 was a dynamite road car, able to cruise at 70 or above effortlessly...Tony
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[Biofuel] CODEX ALIMENTARIS ENDS U.S. SUPPLEMENTS IN JUNE 2005

[malcolm maclure]

Off topic in a way  - but another instance of Big Business set hell bent at
fleecing us all even more. Greed really does know no limits does it? 

 

*shakes head in despair*

 

Regards to all

 

Malcolm

 

 

 

CODEX ALIMENTARIS ENDS U.S. SUPPLEMENTS IN JUNE 2005

 

 

 

 

By Dr. James Howenstine, MD.

March 6, 2005

NewsWithViews.com

 

Working stealthily BIG PHARMA has rapidly pushed their legislative program
(Codex Alimentaris) in Europe that will eliminate the free choice Americans
now have to purchase vitamins, herbs, minerals, homeopathic remedies,
aminoacids and nutritional supplements. This elimination of all competition
for the pharmaceutical industry will produce an enormous increase in the
already exorbitant profits earned by the pharmaceutical firms. Of even
greater significance the lack of free choice to stay well by taking
effective nutritional substances will promptly be followed by a sharp
increase in illnesses that will only be treated in the future with
pharmaceutical drugs.

 

The new Codex Alimentaris adopted in a secret meeting in Europe in November
2004 is scheduled to take effect in June 2005. Because the United States
belongs to the World Trade Organization WTO any changes approved in Europe
automatically become law in the United States superceding our own laws (we
are no longer a sovereign nation). Failure to comply with these changes
institutes lawsuits which can not be won as they are settled in
international courts which care nothing about U.S. laws. Incidentally,
Europe has been very leery of genetically modified foods because of serious
concerns about their safety. By this same WTO mechanism Europe will be
forced to accept importation of U.S. GMO foods even if they know they are
bad for health.

 

The features of Codex Alimentaris are:

 

*

  No supplements can be sold for preventative or therapeutic use.

*

  Any potency higher than RDA levels (pathetically low) is a drug that
requires a prescription and must be produced by drug companies.

*

  Codex regulations are binding internationally

*

  New supplements are banned unless given Codex testing and approval
(certain to expensive and lacking in scientific merit). Norway and Germany
are already operating under the new Codex regulations. The price of zinc
tablets has gone from $4 to $52. Echinacea has risen from $14 to $153.

*

  Codex regulations are not based on science or research findings. These
regulations were developed by 11 appointed persons. Guess who appointed
them?

 

Why Haven't I Heard About This?

 

The controlled press has been instructed to avoid commenting on this issue
until it becomes a fait accomplis. At that time your congressional
legislators will say they are sorry but there is nothing they can do to
reverse the Codex. The truth is they were, all but a few, bought and paid
for back when the World Trade Organization was ratified by the U.S.
Congress.

 

Can Anything Be Done To Stop This Codex?

 

I hope so but the remaining time is miniscule and the enemy has carried out
a brilliant strategy. There is no reason for any optimism about the
possibility of reversing the Codex regulations. A brilliant English lawyer
(Anderson), considered to be the top lawyer in that nation, has agreed to
fight the Codex in court because he thinks he can win. This fight needs
money because it is against the incredible financial resources of the
pharmaceutical industry. Two other sinister Directives need to be reversed
in Brussels as well as the implemented Codex Directive. Donations to the
http://alliance-natural-health.org are vital. These funds will be used to
try to overturn Codex and hire lobbyists to oppose the other 2 Directives.

 

Contacting your congressman and senator is desirable. If millions of persons
get involved the legislators may take notice. The New World Order leaders
were shocked when meetings in Seattle in 1999 and Quebec City in 2001
resulted in riots. When the responsible U.S. citizens that have kept
themselves well with intelligent use of supplements learn that there is
nothing available from now on they are likely to be very angry. For many
persons this may crystallize the realization that they are living in a
police state and that there is no longer any power in the hands of private
citizens.

 

What Can Concerned Individuals Do To Preserve Good Health?

 

If our donations do not stop this pharmaceutical juggernaut some planning
may still be worthwhile. Many large natural health product providers seem to
be oblivious to this danger. Perhaps they are planning on selling out to BIG
PHARMA at the last minute.

 

Buying a stock of the supplements that have helped you seems wise. Remember
the expiration date on a bottle is simply an educated guess. Manufacturers
want to error on the side of public safety and setting dates close to the
time of manufacture encourages increased sales volume. The U.S. military has
taken advantage of the 

RE: [Biofuel] WVO in central heating burners

[malcolm maclure]

How about stainless steel?

Malcolm





-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Andreas W Ohnsorge
Sent: 18 February 2005 11:39
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Biofuel] WVO in central heating burners

Currently I am running my central heating on WVO in a modified Mannesman 
(blue) burner. Modified because the material used in the nozzle, the 
filter and in the pre-heater (sintered bronze, brass) oxidizes over time 
and cloggs the nozzle.

Because of these problems I have been speaking to several experts from the 
nozzle / pump / burner producers and they told me that I should get rid of 
all devices that contain copper in any form (means: housings of filters, 
valves, pipes,...) which I am currently doing. 

In addition their comment was that in some of their long term experiments 
even iron seemed to corrode under the influence of the organic acids of 
vegetable oil.

Does anyone out there has any knowledge where to get the proper equipment 
that is suitable for such an operation (means heat resitant up to 120 - 
150 degrees Celsius, resistant against organic acids, works with pressures 
of about 20 - 30 bar - and: is not too expensive)?

I would really appreciate a discussion about experiences in this area...

Regards

Andreas 

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RE: [Biofuel] water wash emulsification

[malcolm maclure]

Fox, 

What rate of salt do you use?  how many washes containing salt do you use
per batch.

I only ask because I can get WVO / animal fats mixed, by the barrel but
shyed away from it because of soaps  gelling probs in winter. 

Malcolm

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Sent: 31 January 2005 09:30
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] water wash emulsification

 --- anibal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 hello!
  thanks again for the wonderful support.!
 i just did a batch of Bio from a thick paste and
 solid fats from fast
 food restaurant..
 the reaction came out well , with a little layer of
 soap on the top
 is this because the oil has water? or was it a bit
 too much catalyst?
 
 anywyays i scooped the soap on top , and proceeded
 to water wash the bio
 when i add water the once clear biodiesel becomes 
 like an
 emulsification...an d you can't se through it..
 
  how can solve this ?
  would boiling the biodiesel solve anything?
 has anybody thrown some not very clear biodiesel in
 an engine..?
 what do ou recommend i do with my 10 liter batch of
 not clear biodiesel...?
  best
 and thank you very much!!!
 anibal
  hi anibal
emulsification occurs because of soap- formation.
especially if you have a lot of animal fat. 
add salt to the water i. e. wash with salty water.
this should form scum with the soap and deposit.

fox


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RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] aboutGod

[malcolm maclure]

Well said Todd!!

I'm not religious,  have nothing against people that are. I just think
god, Darwin and all such contentious issues that people have a
tendency to form distinct opinions on should kept them just as that -
opinions. Not some sort of power to coerce others with differing
thoughts to fall into line with them.

It's no wonder with this level of mentality going around that the world
is looking increasingly scary to those with clearer vision

.may the omnipotent being be merciful.




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Subject: Bible, Koran  Torah Thumping,not to mention other general
sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] aboutGod

Amazingly blind and foolish, humans are.

Cobb County Georgia School Board puts stickers on their biology books 
stating that evolution is only a theory, all at the behest of a few 
screaming meamies, and two thousand petition signers.

They're rationale? God is real but evolution is unproven.

Well now..., one must ask the question: If sufficient proof of evolution
is 
requisite, shouldn't the existance of God, gods or goddesses be held to
the 
same standard? Would someone please show me the irrefutable proof that
God 
exists?

Now, now. You can't rely upon semi-contemporary interpretations of
written 
words from thousands of years ago. That's hearsay and second hand at
best. 
That would be no different than anyone quoting from Darwin's Origin of
the 
Species. Just because someone wrote it doesn't make it fact anymore
than 
just declaring it.

What is required is first hand knowledge that is repeatable and
provable, 
given the correct set of circumstances of course.

So given enough time (millenia or just a few biologic cycles), it's
rather 
easy to prove the selectivity of nature for specific traits that are
best 
suited to certain environmental characteristics. Rather kind of mindless

work. Perfectly amazing, but none-the-less simple.

But given the same amount of time, all that is evidenced relative to
God's 
existance is more hearsay, first hand, second hand and off-hand tales of

miracles and magnificent radiance, but nothing tangible, nothing
repeatable, 
and in many respects nothing at all.

It's really rather easy to feel some degree of sympathy for those who 
believe but can't prove the existance of what it is they believe in. 
Frustrating it must be for them. Of course, there is the age-old and 
failure-proof standby that If you don't believe me, you must be an
agent 
from hell. That usually gets most people to leave them alone in their 
dither.

Now please don't get me wrong. I'd bet good money that there's something
out 
there that's bigger than me, and you as well. Just that virtually no-one
has 
any proof as to exactly what that is. It's all theory. And while
theory 
is all rather nice and no doubt necessary, especially when considering
the 
needy, foolish and frail mental capacities of humanity in general (see 
the 
dismal, human propensity to punch time clocks and afford governments 
opportunity to cast bullets, muzzles and bombs and then put them in the 
hands of their children to unleash on whomever they wish), it remains 
nothing more than that.

So, while the world waits for an irrefutable appearance of the cosmos'
most 
premier water walker, perhaps we oughta' either take all the stickers
off 
the books, or at minimum eliminate the double standard and put two
stickers 
on everything, declaring that God and evolution are both theories,
giving 
evidence to a little honesty in advertising for a change.

I know. Jeers, virtual athiesm tomatos and fatwahs all around.

Must often times be depressing, disconcerting and demoralizing for those
who 
have a belief and no proof...other than the proof of their belief, of 
course.

Circular logic, that. A record stuck playing in the same groove, never 
letting the listener/audience hear the rest of the song, much less 
experience it as fully as they could...

Todd Swearingen


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RE: [Biofuel] Problems with List

[malcolm maclure]

Keith, I received a mail today with an attachment, it was just for the
links to JTF, archives etc. But I did think it odd.

Bestest regards

Malcolm

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Very puzzling.

Well kids,

It's been nice knowing you, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to
unsubscribe.  I'm really unhappy with the new format of this list.  The
so-called daily digest comes in about 10 e-mails a day, with topics
in
one attachment, and EVERY SINGLE OTHER MESSAGE in a separate
attachment.

This just isn't right. There aren't any attachments. It's a 
completely normal, common-or-garden Daily Digest.

The only thing about it that might be special is that it comes in 
separate sections, of less than 30 kb each. Those are the default 
settings and we left it like that because it's probably more 
convenient to most people than one very long message, as it sometimes 
would be.

However, each segment is self-contained, with Today's Topics listed 
at the top, as usual, with numbers, and each message following in 
full below, in sequence, according to the numbers. Each segment is 
also numbered very clearly, so there's no confusion.

unsubscribe.  I'm really unhappy with the new format of this list.  The
so-called daily digest comes in about 10 e-mails a day, with topics
in
one attachment, and EVERY SINGLE OTHER MESSAGE in a separate
attachment.

I don't know which list you're on, but it can't be this one.

So what is the point of getting a daily digest?

Apparently I don't understand what the problem was with Yahoo groups,
which were infinitely more to my satisfaction.

Yahell? :-) To each his/her own I guess. We had very good reason for 
leaving Yahoo and I said what they were, apart from the fact that 
list members have been complaining about Yahoo for three years.

I receive an
overwhelming enough amount of e-mail every day (upwards of 200), so
having a list that can't satisfy a simple request is more than I can
handle.

That's not very overwhleming. Do you use message filters and separate 
mailboxes?

All that said, however, I'll change the settings so the Daily Digest 
segments are less than 60kb, 30kb is probably a bit small, some 
messages are longer than that sometimes. The Digests will still be 
self-contained though, never fear, not with the topic list in one and 
separate messages all over the place.

Best

Keith


Have fun.

Capra

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RE: [biofuel] Conversion of Nissan UD truck for biodiesel

[malcolm maclure]

Rick,
 
Not sure about Nissan's compatibility, but a 1999 model I would have
thought would be. I'm sure there are a few here that have experience
with them. IMO the diesel pump will be ok. There are many using BD that
haven't changed fuel lines  had no trouble. If you want to change these
you can get Viton from Scientific suppliers, have a look at:
 
http://www.fisher.co.uk/index.htm
 
The consensus seems to be that provided your BD is well made  well
washed it poses no greater danger than petro diesel, especially at the
ratio you will be using it at.
 
The only thing you will have to watch is the gell point of the BD in
winter.
 
Good luck
 
Malcolm
 
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Sent: 29 July 2004 23:58
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Conversion of Nissan UD truck for biodiesel
 
I recently purchased a New 1999 Nissan UD1800HD cab-forward diesel
from a Nissan dealer in Arizona.  I live in Anchorage, Alaska and there
are no Nissan dealerships here.  I contacted the National Nissan
represenative who state that the truck is not compatible with biodiesel.
I currently have the flatbed off the truck and it would be a good
opportunity to change out the fuel hoses to something that is
compatible.

Here is my problem, no one seems to know what type of hoses are
compatible with biodiesel.  Some of the hoses are labeled and some are
not.  I have a call and an E-Mail into Goodyear to see if the Insta-Grip
hose, ties in auxillary tank, is compatible.  There does not seem to be
any Viton fuel hose on the market.

What type of diesel fuel filters work with biodiesel?  The Nissan rep.
also stated that these had rubber in them?

Is all of this necessary if I am only going to be burning a 20%
biodiesel in the fuel?

Thanks,

Rick Abbott
Anchorage, Alaska

 


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RE: [biofuel] A Good Example

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Thanks for that Chris
 
Good to see younger generations involved in a big way with biofuels,
we're going to need them  more!
 
Malcolm
 
 
 
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Sent: 12 July 2004 21:24
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] A Good Example
 
* I was cruising around for Canadian biodiesel sites (especially
in the
Vancouver area), and I found this one;

http://www.eya.ca/biodiesel/

I found it especially interesting because the company I work for
(Methanex)
donates methanol to this project (and I didn't even know it!)

I find it nice that there is project close to home that is working
well.

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RE: [biofuel] used book for sale????

[malcolm maclure]

Mac, 
 
To be honest you will find the information at JTF site far more helpful
 comprehensive, as well as the infoarchive which is the sum of years of
experience of many people.
If you ever need to ask any questions there are many here more than
willing to help.
 
Malcolm
 
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Subject: [biofuel] used book for sale
 
Does any1 has the book From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank for sale?
I try to orther from Amazon on the web and they don't have it, I 
checked my city library and they don't have either
Plese respont at once!
recards
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RE: [biofuel] generator/refrigerator

[malcolm maclure]

Neat device - I want one!
 
* 
 A GENERATOR THAT DOUBLES AS A REFRIGERATOR

 http://www.napa.ufl.edu/2001news/solar.htm



 UF professor generates new, cheaper solar energy system

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 Optimization of a Novel Combined Power/Refrigeration Thermodynamic
 Cycle

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RE: [biofuel] engine problem

[malcolm maclure]

Chris,
 
Sounds like blown head gasket - if so it should not be too serious, just
take the head off  replace with a new head gasket. You might want to
take the opportunity to reseat the valves while the head is off. Make
sure you follow the recommended tightening sequence  torque settings
for the head bolts. 
 
More seriously you might have a cracked block - not much you can do
there except scrap it.
 
Hope that helps
 
Malcolm
 
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From: Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 05 July 2004 02:28
To: Biofuel
Subject: [biofuel] engine problem
 
* Hi Guys:

This is a question to all you mechanic types out there.

I have an engine just like Terry McMcGleish's.
http://www.eline2000.com/eline/articles/biogen/biogenset.htm
It died on me and when I looked to see what is the matter, I found that
the
oil floated into the radiator and water sank into the oil sump. What
could
be the cause of this problem? I have decided that I will fix(or ruin)the
engine myself. Could anyone help me out and point me to the right
direction?

Thank you so much.

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RE: [biofuel] engine problem

[malcolm maclure]

I did consider that afterwards Martin - fingers crossed it hasn't 
 
Malcolm
 
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From: Martin Klingensmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 04 July 2004 17:20
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] engine problem
 
 Chris,

 Sounds like blown head gasket - if so it should not be too serious,
just
 take the head off  replace with a new head gasket. You might want to
 take the opportunity to reseat the valves while the head is off. Make
 sure you follow the recommended tightening sequence  torque settings
 for the head bolts.

 More seriously you might have a cracked block - not much you can do
 there except scrap it.

 Hope that helps

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RE: [biofuel] Are we back to normal yet?

[malcolm maclure]

 
After the deluge of old mails, my inbox has been near empty the last 2
days since I got back. Are things back to normal or have we all taken a
vow of silence?
 
Btw Keith, hope the move was smooth, looks a nice tranquil place you
have there, lucky guy!
 
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RE: [biofuel] Raschig rings

[malcolm maclure]

Try copper or stainless kitchen scrubbers, available at most hardware /
household stores. Ordinary steel wool might cause problems.
 
Good luck
 
Malcolm
 
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Subject: [biofuel] Raschig rings
 
Greetings all,
  I'm planning to build a small ethanol still (http://www.moonshine-
still.com/still.pdf). Anyone know of a reputable source of raschig 
rings, or have any other recommendations for still packing material? 
(steel wool?)

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RE: [biofuel] Methanol in UK - £20 for 25L

[malcolm maclure]

Mark, where are you getting your methanol from  what spec is it.
 
Iâm based in the NE (UK)
 
Cheers 
 
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Subject: [biofuel] Methanol in UK - £20 for 25L
 
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Where are you based? I still have methanol at £20
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RE: [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans

[malcolm maclure]

NaOH  also attacks aluminium.
 
Copper is easy to solder but aluminium isn't
 
Stick with copper - the difference in conductivity, for our purposes I
think, would be slight.
 
Malcolm
 
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plans
 
Luc,

Aluminum and methanol don't mix. Stick with copper.

Todd Swearingen

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 I ran this question for a condenser by my brother-in-law who did a 
 course in refrigerants ect... and he suggested that I use aluminium 
 tubing instead of copper as the aluminium will transfer the cold 
 from the water quicker than copper and the condensation will happen 
 faster and more complete. Same as the 5 gal idea, but substitute 
 aluminium piping instead of copper. Any second thoughts on this ?
 Made sense to me at the time (but then I don't know anything about 
 it so it would, ha!)
 
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RE: [biofuel] Hello

[malcolm maclure]

Amanda,
 
I'm from the UK so I can't really advise on the funding situation as 
well as some of the US guys on here, but I'm sure someone will point 
you in the right direction.
 
Anyway, I wish you all the very best in what you're doing, I hope you 
do well.
 
Regards
 
Malcolm
 
 
 
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Subject: [biofuel] Hello
 
I am very new to the biodiesel scene and have happened upon this VERY 
informative website.  So first, I'd like to say hello.  

My name is Amanda and I am doing some research into starting a small 
business in East TN processing and selling biodiesel to farming 
communities.  As I said, I'm pretty new to this and have so far found 
loads of very helpful info from this Yahoo Group in addition to the 
Journey to Forever website.

A couple of questions - 

Is anyone else here trying the commercial angle of biodiesel?  If so, 
do you have any advice on where to start (other than to obtain 
funding, etc, etc like you would for any business)?

I have also been thinking of applying for a research grant to test 
the feasability of medium-scale biodiesel production and its effects 
on my mountain community - feel out just what the real benefits would 
be (economically, strategically, politically, etc) - do you have any 
recommendations of who I need to be talking to for this?  I have 
researched grants from the USDA/EPA but that's about it.

Thanks so much!

Sincerely, 
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RE: [biofuel] Re: US poll about Iraq war

[malcolm maclure]

Keith, sorry I've not got back to you, been working away.
 
Thanks for the links  lengthy reply, very interesting reading!  Took a
while to get through but enlightening. I appreciate the time  trouble
you took to put that together! Thanks. You're a clever guy, wish I had
lecturers like you when I was at Uni, could have been a lot more
interesting.
 
 Anyway the work you do  the time you spend for the benefit of the rest
of us is appreciated  by many, so don't be too racked off when the odd
one shows up to be a fly in the ointment
 
Best regards
 
Malcolm
 
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From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 20 May 2004 18:27
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: US poll about Iraq war
 
Dear Malcolm

Dear Kieth, thanks for the warm welcome back, good to be back!

:-) Good to have you.

I read the links you sent - fine, eloquent words.

I think I must have become synical about certain aspects of life, 
especially here in the UK.

Well then let's see if we can cheer you up a little over the general
prospect.

We have a massive drugs problem brewing here, and with that an 
increase in related crime, as well as a huge influx of economic 
migrants  reffugees from Eastern Europe, Iraq etc. We have an ever 
growing population of Asian people, a very hard working 
successful group in our society. All these factors are dramatically 
changing the way many look at things here, society is becomming 
fragmented too quickly for many to adjust to comfortably. The UK is 
a small Island compared to
the US, so it is easy to understand how selfishness and greed can 
creep into the phsychy of the nation as a whole

But many Americans are most bothered about how that's happening 
there, along with the fragmentation you mention, more usually seen in 
the US case as a polarisation (though with more sides than two, as 
yet).

 - as the land  resources run out, panic sets in  people become 
deffensive  possessive over what they have.

That state of mind has many potential routes of arrival. Again in the 
US, what many blame is the exploitation and engendering of fear (the 
emotion, as opposed to actual risk and danger). Perhaps we have to 
look further for the true causes.

This
situation has led many Brits to upsticks  move to Spain  elsewhere 
- perhaps that's what they mean when they say globalisation?

Or dislocation? Yes, I know they call it relocation.

I guess you're right. Maybe inherrant was a bad choice of wording. 
However, whilst cooperation for mutual benefit goes on around us all 
the time as with this forum and more, there are traits of greed 
that pervade our lives also. This starts at a basic level, involving 
everyday people,  goes right to the top with our politicians, some 
of
the biggest greed offenders of all time, vested interests  all
that.

Ah, now, would you mind if I rearranged things a little? How about: 
This starts at the top with our politicians, some of  the biggest 
greed offenders of all time, vested interests  all that,  goes 
right to a basic level, involving everyday people. Now try seeing it 
as a ploy rather than a (natural) phenomenon, so you can ask Who 
benefits?, and then ask How and Why. If it's the result of a more or 
less successful ploy, and a very heavily funded one at that, then you 
can see it as imposed rather than inherent. Comparisons that confirm 
that are quite easy to find.

Collectively we are all subscribing to a greed ellement in our 
lives, we vote for politicians.

Do you vote for the choice you're presented with? ... scrawled 
wisdom in the men's loo at a Brighton pub, circa 1980 - 'If voting 
could change anything it would be illegal'. Gore Vidal says of the 
US that the two parties are really one party representing 4% of the 
people. The 4% is probably optimistic. Chomsky talks of the two 
branches of the business party. It's much the same in the UK. Did you 
vote for that?

As consumers, we are fuelling the greed of corporations who want to 
profit from us.

Yup. How do you think it is that they manage to kick you and 
society into the best shape to enable that? As we naturally are 
wouldn't work all that well, and indeed it didn't.

Advertising is now a $435 billion business. But that's a conservative 
estimate of annual global expenditures. If all forms of marketing are 
included, the figure rises to nearer $1 trillion. This is a little 
simplistic, but nonetheless it's true to say that advertising has one 
major purpose - to make people feel dissatisfied with what they've 
got. That figure of $1 trillion probably doesn't include much of the 
huge amounts spent on manipulating opinion (manufacturing consent) 
via the PR industry, the right-wing foundations and the think-tanks 
they fund so heavily, the corporate and other support for politicians 
and political campaigns, which comes in many forms, subversion of the 
media via ownership and concentration...

Another quote -- Australian social scientist Alex Carey says  

RE: [biofuel] Received a message from biofuel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com biofuel-unsubscribe

[malcolm maclure]

Unfortunately folks, no matter what Microsoft or any third party s/w
company produce to counter this situation, it will be hacked in a very
short time.
 
A similar situation exists for online gamers, a world dogged by a
minority of people who cheat using hacks to give them an unfair
advantage over honest just wanna have fun players. Many anti-cheat
software systems have been developed to counter the problem but all are
hacked within days of release and are rendered useless. There is a new
anticheat being released shortly, written by a very clever programmer,
it could be a big breakthrough in the gaming world, if it works. The
problem is there are very clever hackers who just love the challenge of
cracking a new system - what a waste of amazing talent  intellect. If
only these people could direct their energies to contribute rather than
abuse.
 
 
The best advice would be:
 
Keep your Windows system updated
 
Run antivirus software, regularly updated
 
Run a firewall, regularly updated - Best of all - get a router with a
built-in hardware firewall 
 
Run anti-adware software so you're not broadcasting your IP or e-mail
addresses 
 
 
 
None of these will truly protect you from the most determined hacker,
but the harder you make it the more likely they will move on to an
easier target.
 
If anyone needs any advice with any of the above, I'd be glad to lend a
hand, just mail me. Between myself, my stepson  his co-workers we have
quite a wealth of knowledge on internet security  programming (one
co-worker has written system control software for Powergen, the QE2 etc)
 
Cheers
 
Malcolm
 
 
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Sent: 20 May 2004 20:04
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Received a message from
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I received a message from that email address.  The email contains an
attachment.  Being the suspicious type, I expect it's an attempt to
infect me with a virus, since I have not yet unsubscribed from this
list.  Anyone else seen such emails?

Bryan

False sender's address, can't be helped. Certainly a virus. We've had 
quite a few viruses purporting to come from Yahoo. We've even had 
viruses purporting to come from Journey to Forever, even from us 
personally, doing things like warning us that our email service is 
going to be closed down, please see the attachment (not!). It's 
happening to everyone, including a lot of the big environment groups, 
NGOs, businesses, all sorts of people. Keep your system properly 
patched and protected, keep your virus gear up to date, be a 
suspicious type.

You can't get a virus via the group, by the way, it just can't 
happen. But you can get a virus from a false address pretending to be 
from the group, though you should be able to see the difference, as 
you did with this.

Dear old Micro$oft, what a disaster. Yes, sure, if you keep it all 
squeaky-clean then there's no problem, right. Maybe it's even true, 
but during the most recent virus onslaught something like 70 million 
Windoze computers were infected and spewing out viruses and spam, the 
owners all cheerfully unaware. A security survey of a million 
computers in businesses in the US found an *average* infection rate 
of 28 viruses and worms per machine. It won't get better until M$ 
wakes up to the idea that maybe a secure OS might be something to 
think about. Holding your breath is contraindicated. Dumbo system 
administrators who set up protection systems that automatically send 
the damned things *back* to where they almost certainly didn't come 
from don't exactly help, but it seems to be their default mode.

:-(

Keith

 


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RE: [biofuel] Making bio on the cheap

[malcolm maclure]

Nice story Kitch, good on ya, good luck with everything.
 
Malcolm UK
 
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To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Making bio on the cheap
 
Hello all,

Thought I'd add my 2 cents worth. Been making our own fuel for about a
year and a half. Here's our story. I made my own processor out of a 55
ga metal drum. (People will GIVE these to you or you can buy them
cheaply) Used the removable lid as the botton and cut out half of the
old bottom to be the new top. Welded up a stand out of 2x2 angle and
made a small lean towards the drain I installed in the bottom. I
also welded in a piece I got at the local home center that allows me
to screw in a 110volt H2O heater element. I make 40 gallonas at a
time. I mix the Red devil lye in the meth in 5 gallon buckets and just
pour it in. STIR OUT IN THE OPEN or wear a good resperator. I mix the
batches up using a 1/3 HP sump pump that I just lower down in the
soup. After mixing, I pull it out and set it on top of the uncut old
bottom that is now the top. Then it drains right back into the mix.

GETTING OIL: I have made contacts with some small restaurants. Some
call mke and I pick up the 35lb containers from them and I have left
55 gal drums with some of the others. I bought a Honda 4 hp engine
with a 1:6 reduction gear and it drives a gear pump. All mounted on a
angle steel frame. (Ther IS no life without a mig welder) I bought
some gas station hose at Grainger. So, when my people with the 55
galopon drums call, I just run over in the most beat-up discusting
diesel vanagon with a barrel in it and pump the good stuff from their
drum to mine.

RAW OIL: I get cruddy soil oil and cruddy Canola oils. They both make
great fuel, but titrate out VERY differently, so I save each until I
have 40 gallons then either make a Canola batch or a soy batch.
The soy fuel is light gold in color, the Canola fuel turns out darker.

TEST BATCHES: I tried the blender method and found it to ba a BIG pain
in the ass, so I use the diet coke method. I do my titration and then
add a litre of raw to the diet coke bottle followed by 22 ml of
metanol with the appropriate amount of lye mixed in. Shake well (put
the cap back on first...) Let it set a few hours.  ALWAYS ALWAYS
ALWAYS make test batches! Best to screw up a litre versus 40
gallons!!

FILTERS: I looked at the cost of the diesel fuel filters and about
chocked!! So, I use water sedimant filters that fit in this neato $19
plastic container with inlet and outlet ports on it. The filters last
a long time and get EVERYTHING out of the finished fuel. They cost
about 2-3 a piece and I find a LOT of them sat yard sales. I use a
tallow pump which is a gear drive pump for emptying fryers.
(perfect) It is 110 volt and I use it to move the fuel to storasge
containers etc. I use metal 5 gallojn fuel cans to fill the Wittle
Wellow Wabbit and the discusting Vanagon, a 99 Golf and a soon to be
ready to go to the beach diesel Vanagon Westy.

I was priviledged to be asked to do a presentation at the Sol Fest
here in Scottsdale last April. Giving up a nice Real Estste career to
go back to school to get my teaching certificate. REALLY want to end
up teaching alt energy and environmental issues to kids..

So if you have not ytried making any bio yet, GET TO IT!! Don't wait
for the Government to fix the energy problem with their tax
incentives etc. This is OUR country and WE have to save it. I feel the
whole energy thing is a major crisis.

RIDE YOR BIKE everywhere you can and then drive your bio car when you
NEED it.You run into a nice class of people on the bike lanes

PEACE,

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Re: [biofuel] Re: US poll about Iraq war

[MALCOLM MACLURE]

Dear Kieth, thanks for the warm welcome back, good to be back!
 
I read the links you sent - fine, eloquent words.
 
I think I must have become synical about certain aspects of life, especially 
here in the UK. We have a massive drugs problem brewing here, and with that an 
increase in related crime, as well as a huge influx of economic migrants  
reffugees from Eastern Europe, Iraq etc. We have an ever growing population of 
Asian people, a very hard working  
successful group in our society. All these factors are dramatically changing 
the way many look at things here, society is becomming fragmented too quickly 
for many to adjust to comfortably. The UK is a small Island compared to 
the US, so it is easy to understand how selfishness and greed can creep into 
the phsychy of the nation as a whole - as the land  resources run out, panic 
sets in  people become deffensive  possessive over what they have. This 
situation has led many Brits to upsticks  move to Spain  elsewhere - perhaps 
that's what they mean when they say globalisation?
 
I guess you're right. Maybe inherrant was a bad choice of wording. However, 
whilst cooperation for mutual benefit goes on around us all the time as with 
this forum and more, there are traits of greed that pervade our lives also. 
This starts at a basic level, involving everyday people,  goes right to the 
top with our politicians, some of 
the biggest greed offenders of all time, vested interests  all that.
 
Collectively we are all subscribing to a greed ellement in our lives, we vote 
for politicians. As consumers, we are fuelling the greed of corporations who 
want to profit from us. As biofuel advocates, yes we are striving to save us 
all from environmental ruin, but at the same time we rub our hands in glee that 
we could be providing fuel for 
our own use without lining the coffers of corporations and governments.
 
We are all subscribing to a greed culture of sorts, but that in itself is no 
bad thing as long as it ensures healthy competition, choice,  benefit to all, 
leaving no one out of the equation. Unfortunately there are many in the world 
that are left out, which was really my point. As a biologist I see it as more 
of a case of parasitism or symbiosis, 
where the current emphasis, endorsed by politicians  corporations is of a 
parasitic nature - take what you can no matter what the consequences - that's 
the next generation's problem or, the symbiotic approach, take what you need, 
use it wisely  don't take anymore untill you know there's plenty more to take 
from again
 
I'm not racist or fiercly nationalistic, I'm pro globalisation, it would help 
pull down the barriers between  nations if we learned to share resources for 
the common good, but I just don't think we have learnt enough yet, as a 
species, to take things to that level, why? Because greed places that element 
of doubt  suspicion that triggers 
the selfish side of mankind. We have still a long way to go, and much to learn 
before we shrug off our greatest burdon.
 
If I sound like I'm spouting a load of uneducated twaddle - please say so  
I'll put on my sombraro and sod off to Spain with everyone else. Lol
 
Regards 
 
Malcolm

Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Malcolm, by the way, welcome back! Glad you're okay.

Regards

Keith


Hello Malcolm

Interesting views aired, and valid too. But no nation is without 
guilt at some point in its history, in its treatment of its own 
nationals and those of other nations, past or present.
The universal word that applies to us all, whatever nationality, is 
greed. As soon as we all loose this seemingly inherrant trait - the 
world will become something towards true freedom. I doubt I will 
see that day in my lifetime - but we have to hope, for the sake of 
our children.

I don't agree with you that greed is a universal trait inherent to 
all. It's an aberration, not at all normal. The major activity of 
humans in society is cooperation. It's so common, ingrained in so 
much that we do, and for so long, that we mostly fail to notice it, 
like water to a fish.

Please have a look at these two previous posts:

http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30675/

http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30694/

Best wishes

Keith


Kindest regards

Malcolm

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, balaji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Colonisation was not however an unmitigated disaster for
  India and had many positives.

We are bringing them to Christianity said Slater on the slave ship.

An upright and honest judicial system that
  continued to dispense humane justice in spite of the many black
laws enacted
  by the administration.

The British judicial system was only intent upon ensuring the smooth
exploitation of India - contracts law - that is what it was all
about.  Entire generations of Brahman were transformed from being
spiritual non-materialistic beacons into judges who would ensure
transactions that bled India of its resources.

Re: [biofuel] [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war

[MALCOLM MACLURE]

Interesting views aired, and valid too. But no nation is without guilt at some 
point in its history, in its treatment of its own nationals and those of other 
nations, past or present.
The universal word that applies to us all, whatever nationality, is greed. As 
soon as we all loose this seemingly inherrant trait - the world will become 
something towards true freedom. I doubt I will see that day in my lifetime - 
but we have to hope, for the sake of our children.
 
Kindest regards
 
Malcolm

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, balaji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Colonisation was not however an unmitigated disaster for
 India and had many positives. 

We are bringing them to Christianity said Slater on the slave ship.

An upright and honest judicial system that
 continued to dispense humane justice in spite of the many black 
laws enacted
 by the administration. 

The British judicial system was only intent upon ensuring the smooth 
exploitation of India - contracts law - that is what it was all 
about.  Entire generations of Brahman were transformed from being 
spiritual non-materialistic beacons into judges who would ensure 
transactions that bled India of its resources.

The many voices of conscience from Britain that spoke
 up for the natives. 

Churchill's voice rose above them all: naked little fakhir.  Voices 
were raised around the world.  Yet the British kept electing racist 
imperialistic governments

The excellent education system which was mostly secular
 with little attempt at religious proselytisation. 

To transform Indians into good little servants - engineers, technical 
workers, etc. to better exploit the nation.  Indians left alone would 
nevertheless have an excellent school system.  They have no one to 
thank.

Proselytisation would have spelled an unmanageable jihad against the 
occupiers.  It was a practical choice, nothing more.

The basic railroad that
 has mushroomed
 into the largest in the world.

The railroad was built to move resources and workers.  It was a 
system designed to rob Indians of their resources as efficiently as 
possible.  What Indians did with it after the Brits were booted out 
is a testament to Indians, not to the British.

 
 I think it had partly to do with the British sense of justice and 
fairplay
 (it wasn't cricket) and the rule of law most of them abided by back 
in
 Britain. 

What a crock.  Where is the fair play in keeping an entire nation 
subjugated by force of arms?.  The fairplay myth is just that, a 
myth.  It may have existed on a coventry cricket field, but it did 
not exist in any colony of any empire.

That's possibly why slave trading initiated by the British in the
 Americas,
 was abolished in 1807, long before it happened in the USA.

more likely from the extreme guilt associated with being the world's 
number one and most ruthless slave traders.  

 
 Regards.
 
 balaji


good reading on the matter:

Freedom struggle
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
/8173044422/qid=1084999512/sr=8-15/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i15_xgl14/103-
3251336-7764659?v=glances=booksn=507846



Pierre








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[biofuel] Range Rover '89 TDi conversion

[malcolm maclure]

Dear Rawls,

I saw your post on the Biofuel group.

We have a G reg RR, a tdi conversion (from a 4.9 petrol)
I'd love to chat. I'm very interested in biodiesel  ethanol production
 use! 

So do get in touch!

Cheers

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Re: [biofuel] Need for viton!

[malcolm maclure]

Dear Martin 

Thanks for your offer, but Steve Spence very kindly jumped in first.

I have had other offers as well, which are all gratefully received!

It is so nice to know there are still people out there more than willing
to help out a complete stranger.

Thanks!

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[biofuel] Need for viton!

[malcolm maclure]

Can any of you guys in the US help me out?

I've posted requests for info on suppliers of lucas / Cav rebuild kits
containing Viton Seals. The only supplier I can find will only accept
credit cards and will not export to the UK. Most of the UK must be
driving around in the Ark because none has heard of Viton.

I know it's a lot to ask but would anyone be willing, if I send the cash
up front for the two kits I need plus postage, to order the kits and
forward them to me?

If anyone could, I would be so grateful. My pump is on its way out, and
I want it biodiesel ready so I figured - rebuild it now with Viton seals
and kill two birds... 
But at £230 a rebuild, its a job I only want to do once, for at least
50K.

So if anyone over The Pond can help, let me know.

Cheers

Malcolm

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[biofuel] Re: Need for viton

[malcolm maclure]

Dear Steve,

You Gem!! You have made my day!! And my girlfriend is chuffed, I've been
driving her mad over it!

Thanks Steve, I'll get back to you with all the details as soon as I
can. It's late in the UK now so I'd better get some sleep.

Speak soon, and thanks again!

A very grateful...


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[biofuel] Re: Need for viton!

[malcolm maclure]

Dear Jeff,

Thanks for your offer of help.

The items I'm after are sold as complete factory rebuild kits for a
specific pump and I have no idea of the spec on any of the components, I
was just going to hand over the defective pump plus rebuild kit to a
Diesel pump service agent and pay the £250. That way I know the pump
will be set up right and calibrated, I hope!!

However I'm glad you contacted me, I'm setting up my own Biodiesel
production system and I hadn't really considered it before but you made
me think that Viton would be good to have for the system as well as my
diesel pump!

Can I get in touch in the future when I'll be at the assembly stage, I
could give accurate dimensions of what I might need by then.

Thanks again, 

Cheers

Malcolm

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[biofuel] Remember White smoke!

[malcolm maclure]

You may remember a while ago I posted a request for help on a problem
with a ford transit spewing white smoke, after doing a clutch change and
replacing main oil seals.

You will be glad to know I now have it running again, however its not
perfect. I have had to advance the timing (about 1.5 teeth on the
toothed belt) So it runs but is a bit noisy and smokes a little
(greyish).

A mechanic friend of mine suggested that the pump (Lucas / Cav) might be
over pumping hence the need to advance the timing so much. Could this be
the case?

If so, can anyone tell me how to turn down the pump, I've taken a look
at the adjuster and it looks more complicated than a simple mixture
adjustment screw on a petrol carb!

This is only a temporary measure as I am getting this pump and another
for a spare engine, rebuilt with Viton seals; which brings me to another
question, can anyone give me the name of a company that can supply
factory rebuild kits containing Viton seals who will export to the UK?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!

Malcolm

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[biofuel] Viton seal suppliers

[malcolm maclure]

Dear all, 

I sent in a question recently regarding white smoke to which many of
you sent some helpful suggestions as to the probable cause. Really, I'm
new to diesels but I'm learning fast!

At the moment I have the engine partially stripped down (in vehicle) and
whilst in this state I've taken the opportunity to replace the crank and
cam oil seals and the sump and  rocker cover gaskets, all of which were
leaking. I'm also renewing the oil and water pump seals just in case, as
well as checking the oil pump for excess wear.

I have managed to get hold of a replacement set of injectors and a
diesel pump, which brings me to my question: On asking local
reconditioning outlets if they could rebuild and calibrate my Lucas /
Cav pump (for a 2.5l Ford Transit) with Viton seals, all I get is blank
faces! We have no information on that was the reply! Some of us here
in the UK must be very backward!! Not only that, they were going to
charge, on average, £250 to do the work! That's half what the van cost
me in the first place!!

I decided to look up Viton on the internet - all references seem to
originate in the good old US of A!

I sent a couple of e-mails to see what came back and a company called
[EMAIL PROTECTED] kindly replied:

We do offer the factory rebuild kit which some seals are viton other
seals
in the package are not.  We would have to have the Part # off the
injection
pump to give you a price.

However, I would surely need entirely Viton seals to be biodiesel ready?

Can anyone point me to a supplier for a complete rebuild kit including
100% Viton or equivalent seals?

And can I, with care, successfully do the rebuild myself, without
calibration equipment?

Look forward to hearing your thoughts

Malcolm

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[biofuel] Re: White smoke!

[malcolm maclure]

Thanks to all for the advice on the above problem.

I've got the head off (to knock a stuck injector out)I'll be getting
recon injectors and have just aquired a spare diesel pump which I'm
getting reconditioned with Viton seals (Biodiesel ready!!) I'll fit a
new fuel filter and purge all the fuel lines. This way I hope to
eliminate all possibilities in one fell swoop!

I'll let you know how I get on, till then...

Thanks again!

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[biofuel] White smoke!

[malcolm maclure]

Can anyone help me with a bit of a problem?

I have just done a clutch change on our 2.5l diesel Ford transit, and
while the gearbox was off I had decided to change the crank oil seals
and sump gasket to cure the oil slick on the driveway! Everything seemed
to go back OK.

I checked the timing to try to get to the bottom of the moderately heavy
black smoking under load - timing is spot on.

On starting up (after the clutch change etc), tick-over sounded smooth
(as smooth as a high-ish mileage diesel would!) but when I open up the
throttle he (Buster - Loud  Brash!) starts spewing white smoke that
smells unmistakably like unburnt diesel.

I tried slackening the 4 injector pipes in turn to try to isolate a
deffective injector but he still poured out white smoke in every
combination.

Has anyone any idea what might be causing this? I have a few ideas, but
can't be sure on any of them, so if any of you have had this happen
before, let me know - I'm a bit stumped

I'm not running on BD yet, I will be soon, I've done some test batches
to cut my teeth so I'm well on my way! But I have found the group very
helpfull and informative - thanks to all!

Cheers! Malcolm (England)

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