Re: FW: vfo

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Um, google and apple already do this and windows phone is about to die.  So
that idea would be kinda pointless.



On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, richard kurlander via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> I had a feeling when gwmicro and aisquared merged that something would
> happen. hope that the new  company could find a way to use touch screen
> phones with some sourt of interface to use touch scren phones.
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[richard kurlander via Talk]

I had a feeling when gwmicro and aisquared merged that something 
would happen. hope that the new  company could find a way to use 
touch screen phones with some sourt of interface to use touch scren phones.


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Re: My thoughts on the buyout

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

I have a feeling that possibly in the not-to-distant future, we will 
find the screen reader will become an outdated concept


On 6/14/2016 11:59 PM, Karyn Campbell via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I've read all of the E-mails on the subject of the buyout of AI Squared, and
that's what I think this is, with interst and  some anger. Anger because, as
many have stated, we likely will lose Window-Eyes, something I'm not a huge
fan of.  I know how to use this screen reader better than JAWS.  This is
also what I have at work and God knows we don't have money to buy the other
one.

I also am angry because I think customer service will suffer.  I've heard
horror stories about that and am real concerned especially for those in the
DeafBlind community who have communication challenges as it is.  Will
customer service be patient in these situations?  I have my doubts based on
what I know. Also, as companies get bigger customer service usually suffers.
Just look at any company out there who has been swallowed up by another.

Will this drive upprices?  Unfortunately I think it will which means that a
screen reader will be out of reach for many, especially if they need a
Braille display.  This will hurt those in the DeafBlind community who do not
qualify  for the National DeafBlind Equipmend  Distribution Program (NDBEDP)
better known as I Can Connect or ICC.What are these people supposed to do?
I don't have numbers so can't say exactly how many people would be affected
in this way.

As someone stated previously, many businesses are afraid of open source
software for security reasons. This means that JAWS could be the only source
for the workplace which is not a good thing.

Will this kil innovation? I think that is likely as bigger requires more
layers in order for a new idea to reach market and layers upon layers is not
a good thing as that means more time which is the enemy of innovation.

As for antitrust concerns, I can see that being a concern due to
anticompetitive concerns and monopoly.  However, I wil just state my
concerns in this area and leave any expansion on it to legal experts among
us.

I further think, as I believe my husband does, that this was done to get
Zoom text as Mag-ic is not doing well for FS and they want into that market.

These are my thoughts for now.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
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Re: Screen readers and monopolies.

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

To stay semi on topic, this merger has the potential to break the whole
blindness at industry, esp. When you talking about braille.  Still say
monopoly. Just wait and see when products start getting axed.

 This really messes stuff up for screen magnifier users. There isn't a
advanced nvda type program for that.



On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Kevin Minor via Talk 
wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I'll be watching what happens with this new merger with interest.  I have
> two main things to mention.
>
> First, congrats to all who kept this quiet.  Apple needs to learn from
> this news.
>
> Second, and my main topic, is the thought that this new company is a
> monopoly.  It's not.  It doesn't stop other companies like NVDA from
> continuing to make a good screen reader.  Sure, the big companies will
> probably combine their resourses, but it's not a monopoly.  If you want to
> talk about a true monopoly, why don't we mention Apple?  What other screen
> access software besides VoiceOver is available for their devices?
>
> Just my thoughts.  I'm looking at this in a positive mode.  I do have my
> concerns, but I'm not upset...yet.
>
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RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Guys. Speaking of getting JAWS being promoted over Window-Eyes, I spoke
to an organisation about Window-Eyes last year, and one of the guys at the
organisation told me that he have had a huge moral problem with cost and
licenceing model of JAWS.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Grant Metcalf via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:35 PM
To: fender...@sbcglobal.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

To those infavor of government intervention, Have you forgotten that the
Shark was highly promoted by governmental involvement? Do you think that
getting the government involved will probably?possibly? and/or impossibly!
help the cause of WindowEyes? I have my sincere doubts!


-Original Message-
From: via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:46 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Great idea. Not!!!
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Karyn Campbell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:21 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Darrell,

I would agree with that due to the anticompetetive nature of this so-called
deal.

Hoepfully the Dept. of Justice will stop this one.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
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My thoughts on the buyout

[Karyn Campbell via Talk]

Hello all,

I've read all of the E-mails on the subject of the buyout of AI Squared, and
that's what I think this is, with interst and  some anger. Anger because, as
many have stated, we likely will lose Window-Eyes, something I'm not a huge
fan of.  I know how to use this screen reader better than JAWS.  This is
also what I have at work and God knows we don't have money to buy the other
one.

I also am angry because I think customer service will suffer.  I've heard
horror stories about that and am real concerned especially for those in the
DeafBlind community who have communication challenges as it is.  Will
customer service be patient in these situations?  I have my doubts based on
what I know. Also, as companies get bigger customer service usually suffers.
Just look at any company out there who has been swallowed up by another.

Will this drive upprices?  Unfortunately I think it will which means that a
screen reader will be out of reach for many, especially if they need a
Braille display.  This will hurt those in the DeafBlind community who do not
qualify  for the National DeafBlind Equipmend  Distribution Program (NDBEDP)
better known as I Can Connect or ICC.What are these people supposed to do?
I don't have numbers so can't say exactly how many people would be affected
in this way.

As someone stated previously, many businesses are afraid of open source
software for security reasons. This means that JAWS could be the only source
for the workplace which is not a good thing.

Will this kil innovation? I think that is likely as bigger requires more
layers in order for a new idea to reach market and layers upon layers is not
a good thing as that means more time which is the enemy of innovation.

As for antitrust concerns, I can see that being a concern due to
anticompetitive concerns and monopoly.  However, I wil just state my
concerns in this area and leave any expansion on it to legal experts among
us.

I further think, as I believe my husband does, that this was done to get
Zoom text as Mag-ic is not doing well for FS and they want into that market.

These are my thoughts for now.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
machines.




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My thoughts on AI Squqred Acquisition by VFO

[Ray Campbell via Talk]

Hello All:

I’ve read through all of the discussion on this list about AI Squared being 
acquired by VFO.  Let me share some thoughts, both as a Window-Eyes user for 
around 20 years who also uses JAWS extensively, and as a former Adaptive 
Technology Specialist who worked in the field with all products for almost six 
years.

Personally, this decision makes me sad and yes, a little angry.  I bet many of 
us chose Window-Eyes over JAWS because we didn’t want to be forced to use JAWS. 
 We chose Window-Eyes because the company which made it, GW Micro, offered 
superior customer service and technical support.  I can tell you that while 
working as Adaptive Tech Specialist, I experienced a few horrible tech support 
calls with clients when calling Freedom Scientific.  I don’t believe I 
experienced any such calls when working with GW Micro.

Many on this list assert this merger is going to lead to a lack of competition 
which will mean higher prices and reduced consumer choice.  Nothing could be 
further from the truth.  Besides JAWS and Window-Eyes, there are many screen 
reader choices out there.  You have NVDA which is free and quite good.  You 
have the Mac with VoiceOver built in, so there’s no additional cost for the 
screen reader.  And you have Dolphin and System Access, as well as solutions 
for those who choose to work with Linux.

If things move forward in a good way for consumers, this merger may not be too 
bad for screen reader users.  Two things I strongly encourage the new company 
to do are first, put together the best of both Window-Eyes and JAWS into a 
robust screen reading solution that works with a wide variety of products.  
While the gap has narrowed significantly, I still believe that JAWS works 
better with at least some of the Microsoft office suite of programs, especially 
Microsoft Access.  JAWS in my opinion works better with Visual Studio, which is 
important to those working in software development fields.  Both programs work 
quite well with several internet browsers including Internet Explorer, Firefox 
and Google Chrome.  Window-Eyes has a far simpler scripting platform to work 
with and allows for development of apps in Visual Basic, which is easier to 
work with than the proprietary language used by Freedom Scientific.  
Window-Eyes also doesn’t require proprietary versions of software synthesizers 
like Eloquence.  So, take the full office suite capabilities and visual studio 
access of JAWs, combine with easier scripting and non-proprietary voice 
synthesizers and you’ll have yourself a pretty darn good screen reader.  Of 
course, let’s not forget, Window-Eyes has always been the more stable of the 
two and that needs to carry over into the new company.

Second, bring over the things that make it possible for people with less means 
or who aren’t being funded by an employer or rehab agency to get a top notch 
screen reader.  This means keep Window-Eyes for Office or whatever the new 
company chooses to call it.  And, maintain the installment plan which GW Micro 
had for many years allowing a customer to pay for Window-Eyes in installments.  
And, maintain the excellent customer service and technical support that has 
been a hallmark of GW Micro and AI Squared.

While I much prefer Window-Eyes personally, both products have a lot to like.  
Personally, I feel this merger is less about the two screen readers and more 
about giving VFO a good Screen Magnification product in ZoomText, since I don’t 
believe Magic has a very large market share in the screen magnification world.

Just a few thoughts on this huge day in the adaptive world.  All of us who are 
Window-Eyes users need to hold the new company’s feet to the fire and let them 
know we won’t stand for unstable products or poor customer service and 
technical support.


Ray Campbell
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Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Grant Metcalf via Talk]

To those infavor of government intervention,
Have you forgotten that the Shark was highly promoted by governmental 
involvement? Do you think that getting the government involved will 
probably?possibly? and/or impossibly! help the cause of WindowEyes? I have 
my sincere doubts!



-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:46 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Great idea. Not!!!
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Karyn Campbell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:21 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Darrell,

I would agree with that due to the anticompetetive nature of this so-called
deal.

Hoepfully the Dept. of Justice will stop this one.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
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Screen readers and monopolies.

[Kevin Minor via Talk]

Hi.

I'll be watching what happens with this new merger with interest.  I have two 
main things to mention.

First, congrats to all who kept this quiet.  Apple needs to learn from this 
news.

Second, and my main topic, is the thought that this new company is a monopoly.  
It's not.  It doesn't stop other companies like NVDA from continuing to make a 
good screen reader.  Sure, the big companies will probably combine their 
resourses, but it's not a monopoly.  If you want to talk about a true monopoly, 
why don't we mention Apple?  What other screen access software besides 
VoiceOver is available for their devices?

Just my thoughts.  I'm looking at this in a positive mode.  I do have my 
concerns, but I'm not upset...yet.

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Re: My Take On things.

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Karyn,

Don't bank on my stupidity for your retort. I have an iPhone. No one 
puts "Sent from my iPhone" on the bottom of their messages so people 
will know they dictated. Apple puts it there by default as an 
advertisement. Users have to figure out how to change or remove it. Most 
don't. That's why you see it on virtually all messages sent from iPhones.


When I dictate I don't want to sound like an idiot. So I check and 
correct. But that's just me. If you don't care, well, that's your choice.


Tom


On 6/14/2016 10:20 PM, Karyn Campbell wrote:

Tom,

That's why many of us with I-phones put that at the  bottom of our messages.
It helps you understand that it was likely dictated and dictation can get
you at time so cool it on this one.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+karyn1421=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:46 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: My Take On things.

No. It wasn't aimed at you, Chris. I agree with your sensible message.

It was Darrell's post:
"I would be more than willing to give them a chance, if they were not in bed
with the double of the system technology.
Sent from my iPhone"

I assume that was supposed to be "the devil of assistive technology."

Tom

On 6/14/2016 5:18 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:

hahahaha, if that was aimed at me, I didn't dictate it. lol!

 Just atempting to offer a bit of perspective and calm people down.
Sorry if it struck a nerve.  I never meant to.



On 6/14/2016 5:07 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Can't you even slow down enough to check the nonsensical results of
your furious dictation?


On 6/14/2016 4:23 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

I would be more than willing to give them a chance, if they were not
in bed with the double of the system technology.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk
 wrote:

I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis
deal just went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already
just assumed to be gone.  It's not.  No announcements on the future
of any products has been made. Please do not jump to conclusions,
call your congressmen or scream until you can't scream no more.
The deal is done folks.  Obviously AI squared had to do this to
survive. what would you rather have, a message saying well folks,
we're brokesville, thanks for your support but due to us not making
enough cash we have to go bye byes.  Then you guys would complain too.
Either way these guys can't win.  Give them a chance!





On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed,
just could be enhanced with scripts/apps.


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m] On Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion
List 
Subject: Re: My Take On things.

I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than
they used to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being
displayed with no osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much
less valuable than it used to be.

Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:


Hi,

I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the
creation of set files was taken away.
Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the
present day.

Hth,

Rod

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] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: My Take On things.

First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes
is cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying
fifty dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two
hundred dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA
is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one
hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred
twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two
upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an
upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA.  An SMA for window
eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades.

Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two 

RE: What keyboard should I get?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Paulette,

Here's a link to a page on the Apple Vista site where you can listen to a
demo of the Apple Magic keyboard, the newest from Apple:

http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/apple-magic-keyboard-unboxing-descr
iption-and-connection

Good luck,

Rod

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Of Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:05 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: What keyboard should I get?

Hi all,

 

I sent this question to another list and got no response. So I thought I
would ask all of you.

I have an iPhone which is a 5 S. What type of apple keyboard should I get to
go with it or a 6. I am considering upgrading. I looked at Apple keyboards
on Amazon and saw a great many to choose from. So, which one should I
purchase. Thanks for your help.

 

Paulette

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RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[via Talk]

Great idea. Not!!!
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Behalf Of Karyn Campbell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:21 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Darrell,

I would agree with that due to the anticompetetive nature of this so-called
deal.

Hoepfully the Dept. of Justice will stop this one.

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Re: My Take On things.

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Don't worry, Nick. There's still a stack of folks having a coronary over 
Windows 10. But this is how soap operas work: one tragedy trumps the 
previous one, and on and on it goes.


Tom


On 6/14/2016 8:56 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Remember the good 'ole days when Windows 10 was all we worried about? Oh
to go back to a simpler time.

On 6/14/2016 5:07 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Can't you even slow down enough to check the nonsensical results of your
furious dictation?


On 6/14/2016 4:23 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

I would be more than willing to give them a chance, if they were not
in bed with the double of the system technology.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk
 wrote:

I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis
deal just went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already just
assumed to be gone.  It's not.  No announcements on the future of any
products has been made.  Please do not jump to conclusions, call your
congressmen or scream until you can't scream no more.  The deal is
done folks.  Obviously AI squared had to do this to survive. what
would you rather have, a message saying well folks, we're
brokesville, thanks for your support but due to us not making enough
cash we have to go bye byes.  Then you guys would complain too.
Either way these guys can't win.  Give them a chance!





On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed,
just could be enhanced with scripts/apps.


Ai Squared Support
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(802) 362-3612
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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: My Take On things.

I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than
they used to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being
displayed with no osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much less
valuable than it used to be.

Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:


Hi,

I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the
creation
of set files was taken away.
Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the
present day.

Hth,

Rod

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From: Talk
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Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: My Take On things.

First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is
cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty
dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred
dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for
two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars
if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home
Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific
has
never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an
SMA.  An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades.

Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the
best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the
second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.

Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It
can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display
and making the screen unseeable.

Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing
Explorer
and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.

Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I
switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since
version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To
avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.

Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same
from
either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be
true but it is also an easy out.

Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be
honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be
NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an
SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.

I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for
your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free
version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other
major changes that we might not like.

Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose
which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some
issues 

Re: What keyboard should I get?

[Steve Clower via Talk]

For what it's worth, I really like my Amazon Basics keyboard for the rare times 
I need to use one with my phone. Decently built, nice key travel, and for 
around $20 you can't beat the price.

Steve


> On Jun 14, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Paulette,
> 
> Personally, I'm picky about keyboards. And I don't know what you're looking 
> for in a keyboard. Some want the ultimate portability while others want more 
> ease of use, and so on. So the only thing I can suggest given the amount of 
> keyboards out there is to go to an Apple, Verizon, or whatever retailers you 
> have near you and try them out. Will it be worth it if I say the Kranko XJ27B 
> is the best, you buy one, and hate it?
> 
> Good luck,
> Tom
> 
> 
>> On 6/14/2016 8:04 PM, Paulette Vickery via Talk wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I sent this question to another list and got no response. So I thought I
>> would ask all of you.
>> 
>> I have an iPhone which is a 5 S. What type of apple keyboard should I get to
>> go with it or a 6. I am considering upgrading. I looked at Apple keyboards
>> on Amazon and saw a great many to choose from. So, which one should I
>> purchase. Thanks for your help.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Paulette
>> 
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Re: What keyboard should I get?

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Paulette,

Personally, I'm picky about keyboards. And I don't know what you're 
looking for in a keyboard. Some want the ultimate portability while 
others want more ease of use, and so on. So the only thing I can suggest 
given the amount of keyboards out there is to go to an Apple, Verizon, 
or whatever retailers you have near you and try them out. Will it be 
worth it if I say the Kranko XJ27B is the best, you buy one, and hate it?


Good luck,
Tom


On 6/14/2016 8:04 PM, Paulette Vickery via Talk wrote:

Hi all,



I sent this question to another list and got no response. So I thought I
would ask all of you.

I have an iPhone which is a 5 S. What type of apple keyboard should I get to
go with it or a 6. I am considering upgrading. I looked at Apple keyboards
on Amazon and saw a great many to choose from. So, which one should I
purchase. Thanks for your help.



Paulette

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RE: What keyboard should I get?

[Dennis Long via Talk]

This is not on topic for this list.  There are several I phone lists for the
blind.

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On Behalf Of Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:05 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: What keyboard should I get?

Hi all,

 

I sent this question to another list and got no response. So I thought I
would ask all of you.

I have an iPhone which is a 5 S. What type of apple keyboard should I get to
go with it or a 6. I am considering upgrading. I looked at Apple keyboards
on Amazon and saw a great many to choose from. So, which one should I
purchase. Thanks for your help.

 

Paulette

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RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Karyn Campbell via Talk]

Darrell,

I would agree with that due to the anticompetetive nature of this so-called
deal.

Hoepfully the Dept. of Justice will stop this one.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
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RE: betrayal

[Karyn Campbell via Talk]

And les choices is what willhappen.

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Re: My Take On things.

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Remember the good 'ole days when Windows 10 was all we worried about? 
Oh to go back to a simpler time.


On 6/14/2016 5:07 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Can't you even slow down enough to check the nonsensical results of your
furious dictation?


On 6/14/2016 4:23 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

I would be more than willing to give them a chance, if they were not
in bed with the double of the system technology.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk
 wrote:

I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis
deal just went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already just
assumed to be gone.  It's not.  No announcements on the future of any
products has been made.  Please do not jump to conclusions, call your
congressmen or scream until you can't scream no more.  The deal is
done folks.  Obviously AI squared had to do this to survive. what
would you rather have, a message saying well folks, we're
brokesville, thanks for your support but due to us not making enough
cash we have to go bye byes.  Then you guys would complain too.
Either way these guys can't win.  Give them a chance!





On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed,
just could be enhanced with scripts/apps.


Ai Squared Support
Ai Squared
725 Airport North Office Park
Fort Wayne, IN 46825
(802) 362-3612
www.aisquared.com


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: My Take On things.

I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than
they used to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being
displayed with no osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much less
valuable than it used to be.

Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:


Hi,

I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the creation
of set files was taken away.
Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the
present day.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: My Take On things.

First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is
cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty
dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred
dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for
two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars
if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home
Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has
never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an
SMA.  An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades.

Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the
best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the
second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.

Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It
can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display
and making the screen unseeable.

Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer
and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.

Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I
switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since
version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To
avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.

Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from
either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be
true but it is also an easy out.

Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be
honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be
NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an
SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.

I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for
your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free
version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other
major changes that we might not like.

Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose
which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some
issues but all screen readers always will


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RE: betrayal

[Karyn Campbell via Talk]

Darrell,

I would agree with you.  I know of someone who is DeafBlind who had problems
with Freedom Scientific so I have grave concerns with regard to that and
this community.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
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What keyboard should I get?

[Paulette Vickery via Talk]

Hi all,

 

I sent this question to another list and got no response. So I thought I
would ask all of you.

I have an iPhone which is a 5 S. What type of apple keyboard should I get to
go with it or a 6. I am considering upgrading. I looked at Apple keyboards
on Amazon and saw a great many to choose from. So, which one should I
purchase. Thanks for your help.

 

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Re: betrayal

[net bat via Talk]

why do you think freedom is doing this?
when the free version of window eyes for office came out freedom lost a lot of 
its customers. there just takeing out revenge against aisquared.


-Original Message- 
From: Jim Noseworthy via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:51 AM
To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: betrayal

On the otherhand:  they could simply iraticate Window-Eyes and Magic from
the market place and put all of their efforts in to JAWS and Zoomtext.
Whatever the case, you can bet it will be a business decision.

Cheers.



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m] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:15 PM
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: betrayal

Hi Guys.  I know that some of you guys are upset about this but here is my
thoughts on this.  As we all know, Window-Eyes has been denied its
opertunity in mainstreme blind related computer programs, meaning that in
the days of GWMicro, no agency would fund Window-Eyes even though it had a
price tag similar to JAWS.  As for NVDA, it's a great product as far as it
goes. However, there are business's and employment that I have come across
who don't like OpenSource. The reason is that they fear that OpenSource
solutions can affect their computers with virus's, spyware, etc. Thirdly, it
allows Window-Eyes to become embraced in schools, colleges, universities,
etc as for years it hasn't had a chance to become accepted in schools in the
US or in Canada. Also, there are also JAWS scripts that could easally be
modified to work with Window-Eyes. These include CakeTalking from Dancing
Dots, which I personally use in my recording studio to record music, as well
as the lime notation product to notate scores. All of these packages that I
use are essential for my work as a musician.

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Re: To Doug and the others at GW Micro

[Patricia Krinke via Talk]

Amen!  Thanks for your best, Window-Eyes and A1Squared!

And thanks for the smile, Dave,


Trish

-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:42 PM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: To Doug and the others at GW Micro

Hello Doug,

I am not thrilled about the blending of A I Squared and Freedom
Scientific.  but, it looks like it will be happening, and so I can only
hope for the best.

I have no idea what Trials you and Dan suffered through, all these years
of attempting to provide a very good Screen Reading program, first for
DOS and then for the many flavors of Windows.

People can be Unthankful and still be incredibly Demanding. As many
Comedians might say, the Blind are a hard Crowd to please.

I forget when I bought Vocal eyes, the Dos Screen Reader.  Sometime in
the early to mid 90's.

Before then, I had bought and used two or three other Screen Readers.
Once I started using Vocal eyes and then Window eyes, I was comfortable
with what it provided, and especially with the great Customer Service
and Tech Support.  Perhaps it is the Indiana culture, but almost always,
I felt like those attempting to provide good service to me were doing
the best they could, which is all I was expecting.

Because of your program, I was able to be employed for almost 25 years,
in a real job, doing real work, working for a real Company, and not some
charity or Government job where I filled a Quota for Hiring the
handicapped.

this was important to me, and without a high quality Screen Reader, I
would not have been able to pull my own weight, and be an asset to the
Company.

I would sincerely like to Thank you and Dan, and the others at the old GW
Micro for having an Old Fashiond approach to serving your Customer Base.
I for one, benefitted from all of GW Micro's efforts.

As all of us go forward, I guess time will tell just how smoothly the
blending of Window-eyes and Jaws will turn out.

I have many years of being quite Spoiled with Good Service, and I am a
very Difficult Customer if Quality Control is taken lightly by
Management.  Receiving a Buggy program has never been something that
makes me Happy.


Onward we all go, and I hope for the best when it comes to the future of
Window-Eyes and its Customers.

Grumpy Dave Heilman



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Re: AI Squared has a new parent company

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Agreed

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Kevin Barry via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am quite sure, that the new owners will quickly decide that they do not
> need to keep supporting two screen readers.
> 
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Charles Short via Talk <
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
>> Oh no, does this mean that Window-Eyes won't be available anymore?
>> 
>> 
>> Charlie Short
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+clshort =
>> verizon@lists.window-eyes.com ]
>> On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:53 AM
>> To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> >
>> Subject: AI Squared has a new parent company
>> 
>> Hi Matthew and everyone,
>> 
>> Here is the press release about the acquisition of AI Squared by VFO, the
>> parent company of Freedom Scientific and Optelech:
>> 
>> http://www.vfo-group.com/index.php/press-release-ai-squared-joins-vfo/
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Rod
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton =
>> hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf
>> Of Matthew Chao via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:42 AM
>> To: Darrell Bowles >; Window-Eyes
>> Discussion List
>> >
>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>> 
>> What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>> Let me get this straight:
>>> 
>>> The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? How
>>> are we supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?
>>> 
>>> That is not exactly Freedom Scientific's strong point.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: AI Squared has a new parent company

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

I am quite sure, that the new owners will quickly decide that they do not
need to keep supporting two screen readers.

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Charles Short via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Oh no, does this mean that Window-Eyes won't be available anymore?
>
>
> Charlie Short
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+clshort =
> verizon@lists.window-eyes.com ]
> On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:53 AM
> To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> >
> Subject: AI Squared has a new parent company
>
> Hi Matthew and everyone,
>
> Here is the press release about the acquisition of AI Squared by VFO, the
> parent company of Freedom Scientific and Optelech:
>
> http://www.vfo-group.com/index.php/press-release-ai-squared-joins-vfo/
>
> All the best,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton =
> hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf
> Of Matthew Chao via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:42 AM
> To: Darrell Bowles >; Window-Eyes
> Discussion List
> >
> Subject: Re: betrayal
>
> What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.
>
>
>
>
> On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> > Let me get this straight:
> >
> > The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? How
> > are we supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?
> >
> > That is not exactly Freedom Scientific's strong point.
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RE: AI Squared has a new parent company

[Charles Short via Talk]

Oh no, does this mean that Window-Eyes won't be available anymore?


Charlie Short

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+clshort=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:53 AM
To: mattc...@verizon.net; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: AI Squared has a new parent company

Hi Matthew and everyone,

Here is the press release about the acquisition of AI Squared by VFO, the
parent company of Freedom Scientific and Optelech:

http://www.vfo-group.com/index.php/press-release-ai-squared-joins-vfo/

All the best,

Rod

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Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:42 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: betrayal

What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.




On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> Let me get this straight:
>
> The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? How 
> are we supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?
>
> That is not exactly Freedom Scientific's strong point.
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Re: My Take On things.

[Lynn White via Talk]

I believe that you can spread out payments now.


On 6/14/2016 1:22 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Absolutely not.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:13 PM, Evan Reese via Talk  
wrote:

One thing I can say for GW Micro was that when I needed a new screen reader 
back in 2007, GW Micro let me pay for Window Eyes on installments. I could 
never have afforded it otherwise. As far as I know, Freedom Scientific does 
not, and never has given people that option.
Evan

-Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: My Take On things.

First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is
cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty
dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred
dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for
two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if
you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version
of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never
said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA.  An
SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades.

Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the
best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the
second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.

Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It
can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and
making the screen unseeable.

Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer
and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.

Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I
switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since
version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To
avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.

Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from
either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true
but it is also an easy out.

Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest
about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No
screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one
should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.

I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for
your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free
version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other
major changes that we might not like.

Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose
which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues
but all screen readers always will


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Re: betrayal

[Lynn White via Talk]

Unfortunately the Cakewalk program will not work in Windows 10 nor in 
any versions of Jaws after version 16.



On 6/14/2016 1:15 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hi Guys.  I know that some of you guys are upset about this but here is my
thoughts on this.  As we all know, Window-Eyes has been denied its
opertunity in mainstreme blind related computer programs, meaning that in
the days of GWMicro, no agency would fund Window-Eyes even though it had a
price tag similar to JAWS.  As for NVDA, it's a great product as far as it
goes. However, there are business's and employment that I have come across
who don't like OpenSource. The reason is that they fear that OpenSource
solutions can affect their computers with virus's, spyware, etc. Thirdly, it
allows Window-Eyes to become embraced in schools, colleges, universities,
etc as for years it hasn't had a chance to become accepted in schools in the
US or in Canada. Also, there are also JAWS scripts that could easally be
modified to work with Window-Eyes. These include CakeTalking from Dancing
Dots, which I personally use in my recording studio to record music, as well
as the lime notation product to notate scores. All of these packages that I
use are essential for my work as a musician.

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Re: My Take On things.

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

hahahaha, if that was aimed at me, I didn't dictate it. lol!

 Just atempting to offer a bit of perspective and calm people 
down.  Sorry if it struck a nerve.  I never meant to.




On 6/14/2016 5:07 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
Can't you even slow down enough to check the nonsensical results of 
your furious dictation?



On 6/14/2016 4:23 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
I would be more than willing to give them a chance, if they were not 
in bed with the double of the system technology.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk 
 wrote:


I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis 
deal just went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already just 
assumed to be gone.  It's not.  No announcements on the future of 
any products has been made. Please do not jump to conclusions, call 
your congressmen or scream until you can't scream no more.  The deal 
is done folks.  Obviously AI squared had to do this to survive. what 
would you rather have, a message saying well folks, we're 
brokesville, thanks for your support but due to us not making enough 
cash we have to go bye byes.  Then you guys would complain too. 
Either way these guys can't win.  Give them a chance!






On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, 
just could be enhanced with scripts/apps.



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-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion 
List 

Subject: Re: My Take On things.

I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than 
they used to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being 
displayed with no osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much 
less valuable than it used to be.


Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:


Hi,

I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the 
creation

of set files was taken away.
Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the
present day.

Hth,

Rod

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: My Take On things.

First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is
cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty
dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred
dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for
two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars
if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home
Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific 
has

never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an
SMA.  An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades.

Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the
best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the
second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.

Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It
can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display
and making the screen unseeable.

Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing 
Explorer

and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.

Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I
switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since
version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To
avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.

Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same 
from

either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be
true but it is also an easy out.

Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be
honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be
NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an
SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.

I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for
your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free
version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other
major changes that we might not like.

Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose
which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some
issues but all screen readers always will


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Re: My Take On things.

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Can't you even slow down enough to check the nonsensical results of your 
furious dictation?



On 6/14/2016 4:23 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

I would be more than willing to give them a chance, if they were not in bed 
with the double of the system technology.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk 
 wrote:

I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis deal just 
went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already just assumed to be gone.  
It's not.  No announcements on the future of any products has been made.  
Please do not jump to conclusions, call your congressmen or scream until you 
can't scream no more.  The deal is done folks.  Obviously AI squared had to do 
this to survive. what would you rather have, a message saying well folks, we're 
brokesville, thanks for your support but due to us not making enough cash we 
have to go bye byes.  Then you guys would complain too. Either way these guys 
can't win.  Give them a chance!





On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, just could 
be enhanced with scripts/apps.


Ai Squared Support
Ai Squared
725 Airport North Office Park
Fort Wayne, IN 46825
(802) 362-3612
www.aisquared.com


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: My Take On things.

I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they used to 
be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed with no osm 
makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than it used to be.

Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:


Hi,

I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the creation
of set files was taken away.
Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the
present day.

Hth,

Rod

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Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: My Take On things.

First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is
cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty
dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred
dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for
two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars
if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home
Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has
never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an
SMA.  An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades.

Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the
best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the
second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.

Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It
can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display
and making the screen unseeable.

Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer
and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.

Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I
switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since
version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To
avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.

Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from
either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be
true but it is also an easy out.

Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be
honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be
NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an
SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.

I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for
your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free
version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other
major changes that we might not like.

Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose
which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some
issues but all screen readers always will


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RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Hi Doug and list.

I need to thank you Doug for the positive perspective and the sincerity of what 
you have said.

I just hope that internally, there is product design collaboration, and if that 
is so, user concern, (including mine) will of course disipate.

You are one of those great software engineers in this industry, so I'm trusting 
your judgement.  I note the emphasis on changes in corporate xstructure.  So 
hopefully - that includes proper international support, the opening up of 
better braille support across screen reader products, and the leadership 
commitment to direct interaction with customers, such as you and Dan created 
way back in the Vocal-Eyes days.

Vaughan.



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Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 4:19 a.m.
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Hello everyone,

I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell 
released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific and 
Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad thing, I 
just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.

I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great number 
of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There are lots of 
legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to everyone's minds.  But 
honestly, nobody knows the answers at this point.  We are just starting the 
discussions internally of how best to take all our new resources, talent, 
products, etc. and meld them together to give the best customer experience.  
For the next 6 months or so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, 
who knows at this point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the 
results.  
Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed with 
John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the customer.

Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about it, we 
now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.  
Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate. 
Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I started GW 
Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their engineers.  Okay, I've 
had questions about their corporate leadership, a certain lawsuit comes to mind 
(smile), but that was a completely different leadership team.  That was a 
different owner and a different CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  
John Blake has shown great leadership and concern for the customer. Under this 
new leadership and available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever 
it takes to have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low 
vision and blind person out there.

People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and 
quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is still 
plenty of competition out there, including free options but we have the 
determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all they way down to 
provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes, this will take some time 
to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there will give us that opportunity. 
Again, I'm putting everything I have into this venture and I wouldn't do that 
if I didn't believe in it.

Regards,
Doug
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Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Say what you want, but when a leveraged buyout firm purchases a bunch of
businesses in an industry, the customers are in real trouble.
The absolute last thing they have in mind is benefiting the customer.

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Darrell Bowles via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> As long as freedom scientific lets them.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:32 PM, RJ Sandefur via Talk <
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com > wrote:
> >
> > I just got a message from AIsquared, and they said they're going to
> continue support for all products. RJ
> >
> >
> >> On 6/14/2016 4:29 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
> >> It won't work
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982 =
> gmail@lists.window-eyes.com ]
> >> On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:28 PM
> >> To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
> >>
> >> I'm going to do it anyway.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Rick Thomas via Talk
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> Hi: After calmer consideration, I don't think contacting government
> >>> will do any good since I believe they had no choice but to sell.
> >>> I hope the members of this and the scripting list will get the new
> >>> list addresses to sign up to before this list or the scripting list go
> >> away.
> >>> Also, if the office / WindowEyes payment agreement is nullifyed I hope
> >>> we will be notified well in advance so we can make other plans.
> >>> Good luck to the folks who have managed, built and provided us support
> >>> all these years with our favorite screen reader.
> >>> Rick USA
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Re: betrayal

[Dave via Talk]

NVDA is not a Free Screen Reader.  You can use it for Free, but those
guys do appreciate a little feed back in the form of Cash for their
efforts and to show how much you like their work.   Without Cash, even
the NVDA screen Reader that you think is Free will go away too.  




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RE: betrayal

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

And add that hideous copy protection system.   

The old GW Micro always behaved ethically in my opinion, and although I have 
always been forthright regarding some aspects of how customer sales and service 
is delivered to those of us outside the U.S., Window-eyes has always been a 
good performer in my life since 1998.

Change is always inevitable - but squashing of competitors who try to provide 
consumer choice, and who just have to also make a living seems destructive to 
me.


Vaughan.



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Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 4:56 a.m.
To: Chris Skarstad; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

you already know what is going to happen.
virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice. you will 
pay there price or do without.
it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies that are 
in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put them out of 
business. to aquire there buildings and land.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will make big 
deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared couldn't get things done 
on their own. I hope this won't ruin the quality of the products.  Remember, 
folks, free alternatives are out there, and

they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...

On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
>
>
> Darrell Bowles
> Assistive Technology Trainer
> Pelissippi State Community College
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Dave via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
> To: Ray Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: betrayal
>
> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
>
> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things these 
> days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of it.
>
> Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to 
> Jaws, without having to pay full price.
>
> I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I 
> Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting, 
> Interesting in a not so good way.
>
> I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech Support.
>
>
> Guess we will all see in time.
>
>
> Grumpy Dave
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Re: betrayal

[Dave via Talk]

Contacting the Federal Trade Commission?And you are doing this for
what reason?  

Geez!  Some of you make me laugh!  

involving the Government is rarely a good idea.  The reason for this is
because the Federal Government tends to make worse just about everything
it touches.  

So do you really want to get the Government involved?  

grumpy Dave


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RE: betrayal

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Yes: and I suggest that people go and check out AI Squared presentation from 
CSUN - url not readily available to me.   Lots of optimism, and plenty of talk 
about Fusion, and the rewriting of braille support.  Good things: now possibly 
trashed.

Against my better judgement, I renewed my SMA.  I believed that supporting 
Window-Eyes was still a good thing.  Sometimes we make wrong purchasing 
decisions.

There are glimpses of how Freedom Scientific will behave.  They recently merged 
with Optelec, but when I last looked less than a week ago, products off the 
Main FS site did not draw me to Alva braille displays - one of which I have.  
Why would FS promote Window-eyes alongside JAWS, when Window-Eyes's market 
share is so small?  And: FS filed an unsuccessful lawsuit against GW Micro.;

This is the inevitable concentration of all resources available to a small 
market place into the hands of a monopoly.

My perhaps forlorn hope is that maybe Humanware will launch a new screen 
reader, because for me at least, NVDA doesn't cut it.

Window-eyes will clealry still function on existing instalations, but we 
eventually replace our hardware and software, and things will just start to 
break.

I guess we are all speculating, and maybe some positive things are just around 
the corner, which for reasons of commercial sensitivity, cannot yet be 
disclosed.


Vaughan.

 

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 5:10 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

This whole thing is a lose lose situation for screen reader and screen 
magnification users. I need and use both.



On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Darrell Bowles via Talk < 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
>
> Darrell Bowles
> Assistive Technology Trainer
> Pelissippi State Community College
> 8656613917
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles = 
> msn@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf Of multi 85 
> via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
> To: net bat >; Window-Eyes 
> Discussion List >
> Subject: Re: betrayal
>
> I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, 
> Zoomtext and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less 
> because only one magnifier? We still have small companies competing, 
> brave NVDA, Dolphin and System Access. I wonder if any other hardware 
> will come out to challenge Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead 
> failure.
>
> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  >
> wrote:
> > you already know what is going to happen.
> > virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
> > when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
> > you will pay there price or do without.
> > it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
> > look at what many companies have done. they usually look for 
> > companies that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the 
> > dollar. then put them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
> > To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: betrayal
> >
> > Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow 
> > will make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared 
> > couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the 
> > quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out 
> > there, and
> >
> > they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
> >
> > On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> >> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
> >>
> >>
> >> Darrell Bowles
> >> Assistive Technology Trainer
> >> Pelissippi State Community College
> >> 8656613917
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Talk
> >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles =
> msn@lists.window-eyes.com ]
> >> On
> >> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
> >> To: Ray Campbell >; Window-Eyes
> Discussion List
> >> >
> >> Subject: Re: betrayal
> >>
> >> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
> >>
> >> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things 
> >> these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack 
> >> of it.
> >>
> >> Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to 
> >> Jaws, without having to pay full price.
> >>
> >> I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A 
> >> I Squared has been 

To Doug and the others at GW Micro

[Dave via Talk]

Hello Doug,  

I am not thrilled about the blending of A I Squared and Freedom
Scientific.  but, it looks like it will be happening, and so I can only
hope for the best.  

I have no idea what Trials you and Dan suffered through, all these years
of attempting to provide a very good Screen Reading program, first for
DOS and then for the many flavors of Windows.  

People can be Unthankful and still be incredibly Demanding. As many
Comedians might say, the Blind are a hard Crowd to please.  

I forget when I bought Vocal eyes, the Dos Screen Reader.  Sometime in
the early to mid 90's.  

Before then, I had bought and used two or three other Screen Readers. 
Once I started using Vocal eyes and then Window eyes, I was comfortable
with what it provided, and especially with the great Customer Service
and Tech Support.  Perhaps it is the Indiana culture, but almost always,
I felt like those attempting to provide good service to me were doing
the best they could, which is all I was expecting.  

Because of your program, I was able to be employed for almost 25 years,
in a real job, doing real work, working for a real Company, and not some
charity or Government job where I filled a Quota for Hiring the
handicapped.  

this was important to me, and without a high quality Screen Reader, I
would not have been able to pull my own weight, and be an asset to the
Company.  

I would sincerely like to Thank you and Dan, and the others at the old GW
Micro for having an Old Fashiond approach to serving your Customer Base.  
I for one, benefitted from all of GW Micro's efforts.  

As all of us go forward, I guess time will tell just how smoothly the
blending of Window-eyes and Jaws will turn out.  

I have many years of being quite Spoiled with Good Service, and I am a
very Difficult Customer if Quality Control is taken lightly by
Management.  Receiving a Buggy program has never been something that
makes me Happy.  


Onward we all go, and I hope for the best when it comes to the future of
Window-Eyes and its Customers.  

Grumpy Dave Heilman



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RE: My Take On things.

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Hi Chris: It was my fault mentioning trade regulations - didn't think about
the possibility they were in financial trouble - should have since I have
thought that for several years now but panic seems to temporarily block
rational thinking sometimes.
I said it would likely do no good contacting government in my last post
after a calmer reflection on the situation.
Had the folks at WindowEyes not done this they may have had to just turn off
the lights, lock the door and go home sooner rather than later.
At least this way there may be a smooth transition for us clients into
whatever the future will hold.
Doug, Aaron and Dan will do what they can - of that I am confident.
We have known them for many, many years and they are pretty good people me
thinks and quite professional.
Rick USA

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Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

As long as freedom scientific lets them.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:32 PM, RJ Sandefur via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I just got a message from AIsquared, and they said they're going to continue 
> support for all products. RJ
> 
> 
>> On 6/14/2016 4:29 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>> It won't work
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:28 PM
>> To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
>> 
>> I'm going to do it anyway.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Rick Thomas via Talk
>>>  wrote:
>>> Hi: After calmer consideration, I don't think contacting government
>>> will do any good since I believe they had no choice but to sell.
>>> I hope the members of this and the scripting list will get the new
>>> list addresses to sign up to before this list or the scripting list go
>> away.
>>> Also, if the office / WindowEyes payment agreement is nullifyed I hope
>>> we will be notified well in advance so we can make other plans.
>>> Good luck to the folks who have managed, built and provided us support
>>> all these years with our favorite screen reader.
>>> Rick USA
>>> 
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>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
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RE: My Take On things.

[Steve Clower via Talk]

Thanks for that, Chris.

Two thoughts that I'd like to throw out there for consideration are these:

1. we now have the top talent in the AT industry working under one umbrella. 
Thus, instead of competing, we have the opportunity to cooperate with each 
other. Yes; this means the Window-Eyes and JAWS groups could potentially 
collaborate on projects, sharing the expertise and knowledge we have eachgained 
over the past 20+ years. From that standpoint, all of our customers benefit.

2. VFO combined really does have accessibility covered across the entire low 
vision/blind spectrum. Not only do we have the best magnification and screen 
reading products, but hardware as well. As a staunch supporter of Braille, I 
personally am excited that we once more have Braille display technology 
expertise in-house.

Some of you have already assumed the worst that this entire venture was done to 
kill off the Window-Eyes and ZoomText brands. While only time can tell when and 
how our product lines evolve, VFO has recognized that each product fills a 
certain nitch. People choose Window-Eyes over JAWS for a reason; likewise MagIC 
versus ZoomText. These reasons are important, and I'm confident they will be 
considered as our leadership moves forward. But let's give them a chance to do 
that.

Finally, while I can understand and sympathize with how much of a shock this 
news brings, yelling and writing angry messages (while everyone's right) isn't 
productive. I would ask that we get back to helping one another with 
Window-Eyes, as this is the main purpose of the Talk list. Rest assured that 
the appropriate people have read your thoughts, both positive and negative.

Thanks,
Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:19 PM
To: Chris Grabowski ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: My Take On things.

I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis deal just 
went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already just assumed to be gone.  
It's not.  No announcements on the future of any products has been made.  
Please do not jump to conclusions, call your congressmen or scream until you 
can't scream no more.  The deal is done folks.  
Obviously AI squared had to do this to survive. what would you rather have, a 
message saying well folks, we're brokesville, thanks for your support but due 
to us not making enough cash we have to go bye byes.  
Then you guys would complain too. Either way these guys can't win.  Give them a 
chance!




On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
> One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, just could 
> be enhanced with scripts/apps.
>
>
> Ai Squared Support
> Ai Squared
> 725 Airport North Office Park
> Fort Wayne, IN 46825
> (802) 362-3612
> www.aisquared.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM
> To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: My Take On things.
>
> I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they used 
> to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed with no osm 
> makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than it used to be.
>
> Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the 
>> creation of set files was taken away.
>> Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the 
>> present day.
>>
>> Hth,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Subject: My Take On things.
>>
>> First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is 
>> cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty 
>> dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred 
>> dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for 
>> two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars 
>> if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home 
>> Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific 
>> has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy 
>> an SMA.  An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades.
>>
>> Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the 
>> best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the 
>> second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more 

Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[RJ Sandefur via Talk]

I just got a message from AIsquared, and they said they're going to 
continue support for all products. RJ



On 6/14/2016 4:29 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

It won't work

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:28 PM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

I'm going to do it anyway.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Rick Thomas via Talk

 wrote:

Hi: After calmer consideration, I don't think contacting government
will do any good since I believe they had no choice but to sell.
I hope the members of this and the scripting list will get the new
list addresses to sign up to before this list or the scripting list go

away.

Also, if the office / WindowEyes payment agreement is nullifyed I hope
we will be notified well in advance so we can make other plans.
Good luck to the folks who have managed, built and provided us support
all these years with our favorite screen reader.
Rick USA

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Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

I'm going to do it anyway.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Rick Thomas via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi: After calmer consideration, I don't think contacting government will do
> any good since I believe they had no choice but to sell.
> I hope the members of this and the scripting list will get the new list
> addresses to sign up to before this list or the scripting list go away.
> Also, if the office / WindowEyes payment agreement is nullifyed I hope we
> will be notified well in advance so we can make other plans.
> Good luck to the folks who have managed, built and provided us support all
> these years with our favorite screen reader.
> Rick USA
> 
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RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Hi: After calmer consideration, I don't think contacting government will do
any good since I believe they had no choice but to sell.
I hope the members of this and the scripting list will get the new list
addresses to sign up to before this list or the scripting list go away.
Also, if the office / WindowEyes payment agreement is nullifyed I hope we
will be notified well in advance so we can make other plans.
Good luck to the folks who have managed, built and provided us support all
these years with our favorite screen reader.
Rick USA

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Re: My Take On things.

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

I would be more than willing to give them a chance, if they were not in bed 
with the double of the system technology.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis deal just 
> went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already just assumed to be 
> gone.  It's not.  No announcements on the future of any products has been 
> made.  Please do not jump to conclusions, call your congressmen or scream 
> until you can't scream no more.  The deal is done folks.  Obviously AI 
> squared had to do this to survive. what would you rather have, a message 
> saying well folks, we're brokesville, thanks for your support but due to us 
> not making enough cash we have to go bye byes.  Then you guys would complain 
> too. Either way these guys can't win.  Give them a chance!
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
>> One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, just 
>> could be enhanced with scripts/apps.
>> 
>> 
>> Ai Squared Support
>> Ai Squared
>> 725 Airport North Office Park
>> Fort Wayne, IN 46825
>> (802) 362-3612
>> www.aisquared.com
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM
>> To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: My Take On things.
>> 
>> I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they used 
>> to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed with no 
>> osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than it used to 
>> be.
>> 
>> Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the creation
>>> of set files was taken away.
>>> Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the
>>> present day.
>>> 
>>> Hth,
>>> 
>>> Rod
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>> Subject: My Take On things.
>>> 
>>> First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is
>>> cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty
>>> dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred
>>> dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for
>>> two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars
>>> if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home
>>> Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has
>>> never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an
>>> SMA.  An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades.
>>> 
>>> Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the
>>> best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the
>>> second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.
>>> 
>>> Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It
>>> can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display
>>> and making the screen unseeable.
>>> 
>>> Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer
>>> and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.
>>> 
>>> Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I
>>> switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since
>>> version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To
>>> avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.
>>> 
>>> Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from
>>> either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be
>>> true but it is also an easy out.
>>> 
>>> Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be
>>> honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be
>>> NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an
>>> SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.
>>> 
>>> I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for
>>> your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free
>>> version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other
>>> major changes that we might not like.
>>> 
>>> Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose
>>> which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some
>>> issues but all screen readers always will
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: My Take On things.

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I agree.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:19 PM
To: Chris Grabowski; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: My Take On things.

I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis deal
just went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already just assumed to
be gone.  It's not.  No announcements on the future of any products has been
made.  Please do not jump to conclusions, call your congressmen or scream
until you can't scream no more.  The deal is done folks.  
Obviously AI squared had to do this to survive. what would you rather have,
a message saying well folks, we're brokesville, thanks for your support but
due to us not making enough cash we have to go bye byes.  
Then you guys would complain too. Either way these guys can't win.  Give
them a chance!




On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
> One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, just
could be enhanced with scripts/apps.
>
>
> Ai Squared Support
> Ai Squared
> 725 Airport North Office Park
> Fort Wayne, IN 46825
> (802) 362-3612
> www.aisquared.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM
> To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: My Take On things.
>
> I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they
used to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed with
no osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than it used
to be.
>
> Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the 
>> creation of set files was taken away.
>> Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the 
>> present day.
>>
>> Hth,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Subject: My Take On things.
>>
>> First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is 
>> cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty 
>> dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred 
>> dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for 
>> two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars 
>> if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home 
>> Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific 
>> has never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy 
>> an SMA.  An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades.
>>
>> Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the 
>> best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the 
>> second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.
>>
>> Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It 
>> can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display 
>> and making the screen unseeable.
>>
>> Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing 
>> Explorer and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.
>>
>> Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I 
>> switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since 
>> version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To 
>> avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.
>>
>> Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same 
>> from either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could 
>> be true but it is also an easy out.
>>
>> Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be 
>> honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be 
>> NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an 
>> SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.
>>
>> I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for 
>> your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free 
>> version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other 
>> major changes that we might not like.
>>
>> Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose 
>> which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some 
>> issues but all screen readers always will
>>
>>
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>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
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Re: My Take On things.

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

I can't believe how crazy some of you are getting over thisthis deal 
just went down, and all of a sudden Window-eyes is already just assumed 
to be gone.  It's not.  No announcements on the future of any products 
has been made.  Please do not jump to conclusions, call your congressmen 
or scream until you can't scream no more.  The deal is done folks.  
Obviously AI squared had to do this to survive. what would you rather 
have, a message saying well folks, we're brokesville, thanks for your 
support but due to us not making enough cash we have to go bye byes.  
Then you guys would complain too. Either way these guys can't win.  Give 
them a chance!





On 6/14/2016 4:14 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, just could 
be enhanced with scripts/apps.


Ai Squared Support
Ai Squared
725 Airport North Office Park
Fort Wayne, IN 46825
(802) 362-3612
www.aisquared.com


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: My Take On things.

I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they used to 
be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed with no osm 
makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than it used to be.

Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:


Hi,

I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the creation
of set files was taken away.
Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the
present day.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: My Take On things.

First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is
cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty
dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred
dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for
two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars
if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home
Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has
never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an
SMA.  An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades.

Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the
best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the
second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.

Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It
can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display
and making the screen unseeable.

Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer
and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.

Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I
switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since
version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To
avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.

Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from
either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be
true but it is also an easy out.

Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be
honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be
NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an
SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.

I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for
your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free
version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other
major changes that we might not like.

Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose
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RE: My Take On things.

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

One can still create set files, that functionality wasn't removed, just could 
be enhanced with scripts/apps.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: My Take On things.

I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they used to 
be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed with no osm 
makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than it used to be.

Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the creation 
> of set files was taken away.
> Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the 
> present day.
> 
> Hth,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: My Take On things.
> 
> First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is 
> cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty 
> dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred 
> dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for 
> two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars 
> if you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home 
> Version of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has 
> never said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an 
> SMA.  An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades.
> 
> Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the 
> best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the 
> second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.
> 
> Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It 
> can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display 
> and making the screen unseeable.
> 
> Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer 
> and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.
> 
> Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I 
> switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since 
> version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To 
> avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.
> 
> Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from 
> either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be 
> true but it is also an easy out.
> 
> Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be 
> honest about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be 
> NVDA. No screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an 
> SMA one should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.
> 
> I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for 
> your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free 
> version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other 
> major changes that we might not like.
> 
> Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose 
> which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some 
> issues but all screen readers always will
> 
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Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Don H via Talk]

Although I am not a Apple user I understand their voice over works 
pretty well.  Maybe our hope should be that Microsoft adds a voice over 
to Windows and I am not talking about Narrator.

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RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Hi:
So would you contact the Justice Department or the FTC to file a complaint?
There are allot of scriptors out here who have put allot of time and effort
into work that wont be used under jaws and the folks who have purchassed the
office product to get hthe low-cost version of WindowEyes will be hurt as
well if, when, WindowEyes is cancelled.
I thought about calling but jaws actually works a little better than
WindowEyes in Visual Studio, my main work platform, for now, so the loss of
WindowEyes will only cost me if the Microsoft /  WindowEyes pricing
structure is deprecated and I am forced to buy a full copy of jaws.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kim Lingo via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:39 PM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

It's been a while since I've had to have any knowledge of this, as this was 
not my area of legal expertise.  However, I think Anti-trust suits are 
usually brought by the Justice Department, and as this really affects only a

very small smidgeon of the overall computer market, I wouldn't look for any 
action by DOJ. on this.  There may be a private right of action, by 
stockholders, but I don't know for sure, and since I'm now retired--you 
know--a recovering attorney--LOL, I'm not really interested in finding 
out.but since there are other options including Narrator which I believe has

no cost, I doubt this would fly either.  Also, you would have to show that 
the public, even a segment of the public has been harmed by this 
acquisition, and since it has just happened, that would be difficult to 
prove.

I haven't kept up with all these developments much since I still use XP, and

Windows 8.4.  I've been thinking about upgrading to Windows 7, since I've 
read so many people experiencing difficulty of one kind or another in using 
windows X.  Maybe I should make the switch to Apple.

Kim Lingo
- Original Message - 
From: "Darrell Bowles via Talk" 
To: "'Rick Thomas'" ; "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared


> It has antitrust lawsuit written all over it.
>
> Darrell Bowles
> Assistive Technology Trainer
> Pelissippi State Community College
> 8656613917
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:41 PM
> To: 'Doug Geoffray' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
> List'
> 
> Subject: RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
>
> Hi Doug:
> Have you been contacted about anti-trust considerations?
> Seems like with only the JAWS company ownership owning both Jaws and
> WindowEyes there are not any other major competitiors out there and thus
> this combination would be anti-competitive in nature.
> I don't know if that applies to the current combination but has it been
> bought up in discussions?
> Rick USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:19 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell
> released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific and
> Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad 
> thing,
> I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.
>
> I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great
> number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There are
> lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to everyone's 
> minds.
> But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this point.  We are just 
> starting
> the discussions internally of how best to take all our new resources,
> talent, products, etc. and meld them together to give the best customer
> experience.  For the next 6 months or so, it will be business as usual.
> After the 6 months, who knows at this point but I can guarantee the
> customers will benefit from the results.
> Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed
> with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the
> customer.
>
> Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about it,
> we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.
> Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
> Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I 
> started
> GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their engineers. 
> 

Re: My Take On things.

[via Talk]

I think due to uia, and osm issues, set files are less useful than they
used to be, not anyones fault, just the way things are being displayed
with no osm makes a lot of what is in a set file much less valuable than
it used to be.

Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the creation of
> set files was taken away.
> Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the present
> day.
> 
> Hth,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: My Take On things.
> 
> First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper
> than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the
> newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the
> last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two
> versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one
> hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two
> upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between
> major versions or buy an SMA.  An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars
> for two upgrades.
> 
> Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best
> features were. The first is the creation of set files and the second is to
> be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.
> 
> Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It can
> also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and making
> the screen unseeable.
> 
> Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer and
> other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.
> 
> Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I switched
> to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since version 9 there
> seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To avoid dealing with the
> crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.
> 
> Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from
> either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true but
> it is also an easy out.
> 
> Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest
> about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No
> screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one should
> be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.
> 
> I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for your
> products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free version. Maybe
> we should have seen at that time there would be other major changes that we
> might not like.
> 
> Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose which
> problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues but all
> screen readers always will
> 
> 
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Re: what choice?

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

One thing for sure is that jfw and window-eyes will become a homogeneous
product, with features of both incorporated into the other, kind of like
milk, you know. :)
And, the price will be? which? pay more for the screen reader than a new
computer, has always been the case except at the very beginning.
Now if the screen solution would be about a hundred bux or so or let's
say $149.95, for example, within the realm of sanity, then, maybe the
solution would be ok, but just that, ok, since corporate solutions will
always outweigh the individual or small consortium needs.
-- 
Curtis Delzer 

On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 14:08:56 -0500
Reeva Webb via Talk  wrote:

> If you actually think we will continue to exist much longer now that it's
> under the same roof as the shark. I have a bridge i wanna sell you.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Dennis Long via Talk 
> wrote:
> 
> > You don't know that.  No one knows what products will stay or go.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982 =
> > gmail@lists.window-eyes.com ]
> > On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:51 PM
> > To: RJ Sandefur; via Talk
> > Subject: what choice?
> >
> > if you don't like free speech delete it.
> > i have used window eyes over jaws for 25 years. it was then and is now much
> > easier to use and configure myself which i couldn't do with jaws. now this
> > choice will be gone and jaws will be the only choice i have.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: RJ Sandefur via Talk
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:28 AM
> > To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
> >
> > Will you please stop wining like children!
> >
> >
> > On 6/14/2016 1:53 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> > > Of course I do.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Does anyone know the word "Monopoly???"
> > >>
> > >> -Bob Ringwald
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message- From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:18 AM
> > >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > >> Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
> > >>
> > >> Hello everyone,
> > >>
> > >> I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the
> > >> bombshell released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom
> > >> Scientific and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I
> > >> don't mean a bad thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.
> > >>
> > >> I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a
> > >> great number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling
> > >> betrayed. There are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm
> > >> sure come to everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the
> > >> answers at this point.  We are just starting the discussions
> > >> internally of how best to take all our new resources, talent,
> > >> products, etc. and meld them together to give the best customer
> > >> experience.  For the next 6 months or so, it will be business as
> > >> usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this point but I can guarantee
> > the customers will benefit from the results.
> > >> Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very
> > >> impressed with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in
> > >> this for the customer.
> > >>
> > >> Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think
> > >> about it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one
> > roof.
> > >> Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
> > >> Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I
> > >> started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their
> > >> engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate
> > >> leadership, a certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a
> > >> completely different leadership team.  That was a different owner and
> > >> a different CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake
> > >> has shown great leadership and concern for the customer. Under this
> > >> new leadership and available resources, I'm ready to take that and do
> > >> whatever it takes to have the best possible solutions for our
> > >> customers, for every low vision and blind person out there.
> > >>
> > >> People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation
> > >> and quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There
> > >> is still plenty of competition out there, including free options but
> > >> we have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level
> > >> all they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.
> > >> Yes, this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping 

Re: betrayal

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

Bye Bye Window-Eyes. Bye Bye Zoomtex


-Original Message- 
From: Ray Campbell via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:56 AM
To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Darrell:  I'm thinking many of those same thoughts on initially
reading about this.  Kind of looks on the surface like AT they were
broken up in the 80's because they were a monopoly, then have
gradually built themselves back into the huge company they were.
Looks on the surface, also, like typical business dealing, you can't
beat the competition, so you, in the case of Freedom/VFO, buy them out
to get rid of them.

Please, AI Squared staff, shed lite on why you're jumping in bed with
the enemy so to speak.

Ray Campbell
ray153...@gmail.com


On 6/14/16, Reeva Webb via Talk  wrote:

What's going on? Ai2 got eaten by the shark?



On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Matthew Chao via Talk

wrote:


What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.




On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:


Let me get this straight:

The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? How are
we
supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?

That is not exactly Freedom Scientific's strong point.


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Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Jesse via Talk]

Its a strange thing when change happens and maybe, a bit daunting.  That 
said, all we can do is move on and simply remember in other events out 
there where life is on the line makes this news small play.  I somehow 
doubt many in-or around Orlando could give a damn so which is more 
important?  Like them, we'll to move on.


Jesse


On 6/14/2016 12:30 PM, multi 85 via Talk wrote:

Look forward to Mosen spinning it for the FS Cast soon. This is also
bad, because what about the situation where sometimes one screenreader
is good for some situations or works with one program and then you use
another for a different situation? Less screenreaders = could be
problematic.

On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:

wishful thinking.
look for another job. when aisquared murges with freedom most aisquared
employees will be fired.
this happened with both my parents when humble oil bought out signal oil.
they
promised all the signal oil employees would be retained.
that lasted for 6 months then all signal people were fired. they only wanted

humble oil employyees working for them that would remain loyal to the
company.


-Original Message-
From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Hello everyone,

I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell
released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific
and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad
thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.

I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great
number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There
are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to
everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this
point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to
take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them
together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or
so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this
point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.
Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed
with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the
customer.

Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about
it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.
Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I
started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their
engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a
certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely
different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different
CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great
leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and
available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to
have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision
and blind person out there.

People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and
quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is
still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we
have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all
they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes,
this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there
will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into
this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.

Regards,
Doug
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RE: My Take On things.

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi,

I'm not certain precisely what you mean when you say that the creation of
set files was taken away.
Set files are still used and can be created in Window-Eyes to the present
day.

Hth,

Rod

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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: My Take On things.

First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper
than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the
newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the
last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two
versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one
hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two
upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between
major versions or buy an SMA.  An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars
for two upgrades.

Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best
features were. The first is the creation of set files and the second is to
be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.

Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It can
also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and making
the screen unseeable.

Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer and
other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.

Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I switched
to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since version 9 there
seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To avoid dealing with the
crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.

Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from
either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true but
it is also an easy out.

Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest
about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No
screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one should
be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.

I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for your
products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free version. Maybe
we should have seen at that time there would be other major changes that we
might not like.

Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose which
problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues but all
screen readers always will


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Re: My Take On things.

[evelyn weckerly via Talk]

Hi, Evan,

Someone on this list told about contacting FS for the same 
arrangement, and he was told to contact his rehab counselor-all 
very well and good if you're going through rehab.  Otherwise it's 
utterly inane.


Evelyn



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Discussion List" 

Re: what choice?

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

If you actually think we will continue to exist much longer now that it's
under the same roof as the shark. I have a bridge i wanna sell you.



On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Dennis Long via Talk 
wrote:

> You don't know that.  No one knows what products will stay or go.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982 =
> gmail@lists.window-eyes.com ]
> On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:51 PM
> To: RJ Sandefur; via Talk
> Subject: what choice?
>
> if you don't like free speech delete it.
> i have used window eyes over jaws for 25 years. it was then and is now much
> easier to use and configure myself which i couldn't do with jaws. now this
> choice will be gone and jaws will be the only choice i have.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: RJ Sandefur via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:28 AM
> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
>
> Will you please stop wining like children!
>
>
> On 6/14/2016 1:53 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> > Of course I do.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone know the word "Monopoly???"
> >>
> >> -Bob Ringwald
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:18 AM
> >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> >> Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
> >>
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the
> >> bombshell released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom
> >> Scientific and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I
> >> don't mean a bad thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.
> >>
> >> I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a
> >> great number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling
> >> betrayed. There are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm
> >> sure come to everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the
> >> answers at this point.  We are just starting the discussions
> >> internally of how best to take all our new resources, talent,
> >> products, etc. and meld them together to give the best customer
> >> experience.  For the next 6 months or so, it will be business as
> >> usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this point but I can guarantee
> the customers will benefit from the results.
> >> Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very
> >> impressed with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in
> >> this for the customer.
> >>
> >> Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think
> >> about it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one
> roof.
> >> Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
> >> Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I
> >> started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their
> >> engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate
> >> leadership, a certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a
> >> completely different leadership team.  That was a different owner and
> >> a different CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake
> >> has shown great leadership and concern for the customer. Under this
> >> new leadership and available resources, I'm ready to take that and do
> >> whatever it takes to have the best possible solutions for our
> >> customers, for every low vision and blind person out there.
> >>
> >> People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation
> >> and quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There
> >> is still plenty of competition out there, including free options but
> >> we have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level
> >> all they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.
> >> Yes, this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone
> >> out there will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting
> >> everything I have into this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't
> believe in it.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Doug
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RE: win 10 w.e 9.4 folder details alt v how?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi,

Specifically, press Alt-V, then L, whereupon you will be in a list box and
you can up or down arrow to the display preference you wish.

Hth,

Rod

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Of tt8 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:45 PM
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Subject: Fwd: win 10 w.e 9.4 folder details alt v how?




 Forwarded Message 
Subject:win 10 w.e 9.4 folder details alt v how?
Date:   Tue, 14 Jun 2016 14:42:25 -0400
From:   tt8 
To: Ai Squared Support 



I am trying to change folder details using windoww 10 64 with w.e 9.4

when I push alt v I hear context menu dubut nothing is on screen

how does the ribbon in win 10 work?

Thanks

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Re: vfo

[RJ Sandefur via Talk]

Chris, Will windows eyes for office be done away with under VFO group?


On 6/14/2016 3:00 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

The correct address is
t...@lists.window-eyes.comm this is why it failed.



Ai Squared Support
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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:43 PM
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what choice?

[net bat via Talk]

if you don't like free speech delete it.
i have used window eyes over jaws for 25 years. it was then and is now much 
easier to use and configure myself which i couldn't do with jaws. now this 
choice will be gone and jaws will be the only choice i have.


-Original Message- 
From: RJ Sandefur via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:28 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Will you please stop wining like children!


On 6/14/2016 1:53 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Of course I do.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk 
 wrote:


Does anyone know the word "Monopoly???"

-Bob Ringwald


-Original Message- From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Hello everyone,

I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell
released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific
and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad
thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.

I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great
number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There
are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to
everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this
point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to
take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them
together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or
so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this
point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.
Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed
with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the
customer.

Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about
it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.
Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I
started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their
engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a
certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely
different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different
CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great
leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and
available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to
have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision
and blind person out there.

People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and
quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is
still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we
have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all
they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes,
this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there
will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into
this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.

Regards,
Doug
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RE: vfo

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

The correct address is
t...@lists.window-eyes.comm this is why it failed.



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On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:43 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: FW: vfo



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RE: what choice?

[Dennis Long via Talk]

You don't know that.  No one knows what products will stay or go.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:51 PM
To: RJ Sandefur; via Talk
Subject: what choice?

if you don't like free speech delete it.
i have used window eyes over jaws for 25 years. it was then and is now much
easier to use and configure myself which i couldn't do with jaws. now this
choice will be gone and jaws will be the only choice i have.

-Original Message-
From: RJ Sandefur via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:28 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Will you please stop wining like children!


On 6/14/2016 1:53 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> Of course I do.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know the word "Monopoly???"
>>
>> -Bob Ringwald
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:18 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the 
>> bombshell released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom 
>> Scientific and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I 
>> don't mean a bad thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.
>>
>> I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a 
>> great number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling 
>> betrayed. There are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm 
>> sure come to everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the 
>> answers at this point.  We are just starting the discussions 
>> internally of how best to take all our new resources, talent, 
>> products, etc. and meld them together to give the best customer 
>> experience.  For the next 6 months or so, it will be business as 
>> usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this point but I can guarantee
the customers will benefit from the results.
>> Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very 
>> impressed with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in 
>> this for the customer.
>>
>> Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think 
>> about it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.
>> Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
>> Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I 
>> started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their 
>> engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate 
>> leadership, a certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a 
>> completely different leadership team.  That was a different owner and 
>> a different CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake 
>> has shown great leadership and concern for the customer. Under this 
>> new leadership and available resources, I'm ready to take that and do 
>> whatever it takes to have the best possible solutions for our 
>> customers, for every low vision and blind person out there.
>>
>> People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation 
>> and quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There 
>> is still plenty of competition out there, including free options but 
>> we have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level 
>> all they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  
>> Yes, this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone 
>> out there will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting 
>> everything I have into this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't
believe in it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Doug
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RE: betrayal

[Jim Noseworthy via Talk]

On the otherhand:  they could simply iraticate Window-Eyes and Magic from
the market place and put all of their efforts in to JAWS and Zoomtext.
Whatever the case, you can bet it will be a business decision.

Cheers.



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m] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:15 PM
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: betrayal

Hi Guys.  I know that some of you guys are upset about this but here is my
thoughts on this.  As we all know, Window-Eyes has been denied its
opertunity in mainstreme blind related computer programs, meaning that in
the days of GWMicro, no agency would fund Window-Eyes even though it had a
price tag similar to JAWS.  As for NVDA, it's a great product as far as it
goes. However, there are business's and employment that I have come across
who don't like OpenSource. The reason is that they fear that OpenSource
solutions can affect their computers with virus's, spyware, etc. Thirdly, it
allows Window-Eyes to become embraced in schools, colleges, universities,
etc as for years it hasn't had a chance to become accepted in schools in the
US or in Canada. Also, there are also JAWS scripts that could easally be
modified to work with Window-Eyes. These include CakeTalking from Dancing
Dots, which I personally use in my recording studio to record music, as well
as the lime notation product to notate scores. All of these packages that I
use are essential for my work as a musician.

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RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Armando Maldonado via Talk]

Well said Tom. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+armando.maldonado0767=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 AM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

We heard you the first 72 times!

When are you going to take a break to call the Federal Trade Commission, 
the president, the United Nations, and NATO? Filing law suits, 
negotiations, legislative actions, and nuclear war all take time.

On 6/14/2016 2:27 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> I have confidence in people, I do not haveconfidence in corporate giants.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Bill Tillery via Talk
 wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Doug,
>>
>> As always you bring a commen sense and calming approach to inevitable
>> changing in the field of accessibility.  I, for one, am certainly willing
to
>> give the new venture a chance to work for everyone and, as always, have
>> total confidence in all of you in this field to give it your best.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+trbft=mediacombb@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:19 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell
>> released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific
>> and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad
>> thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.
>>
>> I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great
>> number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There
>> are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to
>> everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this
>> point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to
>> take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them
>> together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or
>> so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this
>> point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.
>> Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed
>> with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the
>> customer.
>>
>> Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about
>> it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.
>> Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
>> Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I
>> started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their
>> engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a
>> certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely
>> different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different
>> CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great
>> leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and
>> available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to
>> have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision
>> and blind person out there.
>>
>> People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and
>> quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is
>> still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we
>> have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all
>> they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes,
>> this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there
>> will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into
>> this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Doug
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Re: win 10 w.e 9.4 folder details alt v how?

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

With the ribbon and windows 10, after hitting all TV, you will need to press 
the tab key to find the setting that you wish to change, and then press enter.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:44 PM, tt8 via Talk  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject:win 10 w.e 9.4 folder details alt v how?
> Date:Tue, 14 Jun 2016 14:42:25 -0400
> From:tt8 
> To:Ai Squared Support 
> 
> 
> 
> I am trying to change folder details using windoww 10 64 with w.e 9.4
> 
> when I push alt v I hear context menu dubut nothing is on screen
> 
> how does the ribbon in win 10 work?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Fwd: win 10 w.e 9.4 folder details alt v how?

[tt8 via Talk]

 Forwarded Message 
Subject:win 10 w.e 9.4 folder details alt v how?
Date:   Tue, 14 Jun 2016 14:42:25 -0400
From:   tt8 
To: Ai Squared Support 



I am trying to change folder details using windoww 10 64 with w.e 9.4

when I push alt v I hear context menu dubut nothing is on screen

how does the ribbon in win 10 work?

Thanks

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FW: vfo

[Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk]

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The following message to  was undeliverable.
The reason for the problem:
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Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

We heard you the first 72 times!

When are you going to take a break to call the Federal Trade Commission, 
the president, the United Nations, and NATO? Filing law suits, 
negotiations, legislative actions, and nuclear war all take time.


On 6/14/2016 2:27 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

I have confidence in people, I do not haveconfidence in corporate giants.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Bill Tillery via Talk  
wrote:

Thank you Doug,

As always you bring a commen sense and calming approach to inevitable
changing in the field of accessibility.  I, for one, am certainly willing to
give the new venture a chance to work for everyone and, as always, have
total confidence in all of you in this field to give it your best.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+trbft=mediacombb@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:19 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Hello everyone,

I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell
released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific
and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad
thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.

I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great
number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There
are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to
everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this
point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to
take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them
together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or
so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this
point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.
Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed
with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the
customer.

Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about
it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.
Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I
started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their
engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a
certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely
different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different
CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great
leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and
available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to
have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision
and blind person out there.

People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and
quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is
still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we
have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all
they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes,
this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there
will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into
this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.

Regards,
Doug
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Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[RJ Sandefur via Talk]

Will you please stop wining like children!


On 6/14/2016 1:53 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Of course I do.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk 
 wrote:

Does anyone know the word "Monopoly???"

-Bob Ringwald


-Original Message- From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Hello everyone,

I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell
released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific
and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad
thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.

I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great
number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There
are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to
everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this
point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to
take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them
together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or
so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this
point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.
Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed
with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the
customer.

Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about
it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.
Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I
started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their
engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a
certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely
different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different
CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great
leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and
available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to
have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision
and blind person out there.

People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and
quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is
still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we
have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all
they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes,
this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there
will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into
this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.

Regards,
Doug
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Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

I have confidence in people, I do not haveconfidence in corporate giants.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Bill Tillery via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Doug,
> 
> As always you bring a commen sense and calming approach to inevitable
> changing in the field of accessibility.  I, for one, am certainly willing to
> give the new venture a chance to work for everyone and, as always, have
> total confidence in all of you in this field to give it your best.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+trbft=mediacombb@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:19 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell 
> released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific 
> and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad 
> thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.
> 
> I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great 
> number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There 
> are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to 
> everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this 
> point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to 
> take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them 
> together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or 
> so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this 
> point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.  
> Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed 
> with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the 
> customer.
> 
> Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about 
> it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.  
> Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate. 
> Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I 
> started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their 
> engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a 
> certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely 
> different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different 
> CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great 
> leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and 
> available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to 
> have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision 
> and blind person out there.
> 
> People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and 
> quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is 
> still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we 
> have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all 
> they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes, 
> this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there 
> will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into 
> this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.
> 
> Regards,
> Doug
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RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I agree.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Bill Tillery via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:27 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Thank you Doug,

As always you bring a commen sense and calming approach to inevitable
changing in the field of accessibility.  I, for one, am certainly willing to
give the new venture a chance to work for everyone and, as always, have
total confidence in all of you in this field to give it your best.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+trbft=mediacombb@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:19 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Hello everyone,

I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell
released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific and
Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad thing,
I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.

I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great
number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There are
lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to everyone's minds.
But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this point.  We are just starting
the discussions internally of how best to take all our new resources,
talent, products, etc. and meld them together to give the best customer
experience.  For the next 6 months or so, it will be business as usual.
After the 6 months, who knows at this point but I can guarantee the
customers will benefit from the results.  
Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed
with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the
customer.

Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about it,
we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.  
Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate. 
Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I started
GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their engineers.  Okay,
I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a certain lawsuit comes
to mind (smile), but that was a completely different leadership team.  That
was a different owner and a different CEO.  Vector has an outstanding
reputation.  John Blake has shown great leadership and concern for the
customer. Under this new leadership and available resources, I'm ready to
take that and do whatever it takes to have the best possible solutions for
our customers, for every low vision and blind person out there.

People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and
quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is still
plenty of competition out there, including free options but we have the
determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all they way down
to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes, this will take some
time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there will give us that
opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into this venture and I
wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.

Regards,
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RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Bill Tillery via Talk]

Thank you Doug,

As always you bring a commen sense and calming approach to inevitable
changing in the field of accessibility.  I, for one, am certainly willing to
give the new venture a chance to work for everyone and, as always, have
total confidence in all of you in this field to give it your best.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+trbft=mediacombb@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:19 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Hello everyone,

I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell 
released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific 
and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad 
thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.

I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great 
number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There 
are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to 
everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this 
point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to 
take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them 
together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or 
so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this 
point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.  
Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed 
with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the 
customer.

Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about 
it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.  
Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate. 
Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I 
started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their 
engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a 
certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely 
different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different 
CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great 
leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and 
available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to 
have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision 
and blind person out there.

People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and 
quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is 
still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we 
have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all 
they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes, 
this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there 
will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into 
this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.

Regards,
Doug
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Re: My Take On things.

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Absolutely not.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:13 PM, Evan Reese via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> One thing I can say for GW Micro was that when I needed a new screen reader 
> back in 2007, GW Micro let me pay for Window Eyes on installments. I could 
> never have afforded it otherwise. As far as I know, Freedom Scientific does 
> not, and never has given people that option.
> Evan
> 
> -Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: My Take On things.
> 
> First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is
> cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty
> dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred
> dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for
> two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if
> you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version
> of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never
> said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA.  An
> SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades.
> 
> Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the
> best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the
> second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.
> 
> Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It
> can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and
> making the screen unseeable.
> 
> Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer
> and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.
> 
> Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I
> switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since
> version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To
> avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.
> 
> Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from
> either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true
> but it is also an easy out.
> 
> Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest
> about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No
> screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one
> should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.
> 
> I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for
> your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free
> version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other
> major changes that we might not like.
> 
> Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose
> which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues
> but all screen readers always will
> 
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RE: betrayal

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Guys.  I know that some of you guys are upset about this but here is my
thoughts on this.  As we all know, Window-Eyes has been denied its
opertunity in mainstreme blind related computer programs, meaning that in
the days of GWMicro, no agency would fund Window-Eyes even though it had a
price tag similar to JAWS.  As for NVDA, it's a great product as far as it
goes. However, there are business's and employment that I have come across
who don't like OpenSource. The reason is that they fear that OpenSource
solutions can affect their computers with virus's, spyware, etc. Thirdly, it
allows Window-Eyes to become embraced in schools, colleges, universities,
etc as for years it hasn't had a chance to become accepted in schools in the
US or in Canada. Also, there are also JAWS scripts that could easally be
modified to work with Window-Eyes. These include CakeTalking from Dancing
Dots, which I personally use in my recording studio to record music, as well
as the lime notation product to notate scores. All of these packages that I
use are essential for my work as a musician.

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Re: My Take On things.

[Evan Reese via Talk]

One thing I can say for GW Micro was that when I needed a new screen reader 
back in 2007, GW Micro let me pay for Window Eyes on installments. I could 
never have afforded it otherwise. As far as I know, Freedom Scientific does 
not, and never has given people that option.

Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Singing Sparrow via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: My Take On things.

First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is
cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty
dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred
dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for
two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if
you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version
of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never
said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA.  An
SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades.

Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the
best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the
second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.

Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It
can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and
making the screen unseeable.

Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer
and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.

Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I
switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since
version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To
avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.

Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from
either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true
but it is also an easy out.

Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest
about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No
screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one
should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.

I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for
your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free
version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other
major changes that we might not like.

Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose
which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues
but all screen readers always will


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Re: betrayal

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

As long as there are other screen readers available, especially free 
ones, it's difficult to imagine one has a case.


On 6/14/2016 1:39 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Rest of shored, I will be contacting the Federal Trade Commission.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Paulette Vickery via Talk 
 wrote:

It was a sad day when Hims stopped making the Voice Sense. Now if I want to
replace mine, I will have to get a braille display, whether I want one or
not.

About the swallowing whole of Aye Squared/GWMicro; it is so sad that I can
barely think about it. I am beginning to think that no matter what we spout
in public, blind people are slowed being screwed on many fronts. Have any of
you guys tried to buy a stove lately? Finding one that is totally accessible
is impossible. And now the competition between companies that say they want
to sell to the blindness market and keep their needs in mind  has been
compromised yet again. Being blind these days is becoming harder rather than
easier, no matter how you slice it.

Paulette
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:11 PM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ



On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: betrayal

I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, Zoomtext
and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only one
magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin

and

System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.


On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:
you already know what is going to happen.
virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
you will pay there price or do without.
it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
there, and

they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...


On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
It's worse than the Munich Agreement.


Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




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On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
To: Ray Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: betrayal

Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?

Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
it.

Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
Jaws, without having to pay full price.

I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
Interesting in a not so good way.

I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
Support.


Guess we will all see in time.


Grumpy Dave



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Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Complaining is not the same as taking action.

On 6/14/2016 1:49 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

I am tired of waiting to see what happens. I am going to take action.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Long via Talk  
wrote:

Let's just wait and see what happens.  We don't know the inner workings of
the agreement.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:25 PM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

"nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of" I respect you a lot and
it's great that your optimistic about this, as far as I'm concerned
lollollollollollollol I'll believe it when I see it.



On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Doug Geoffray via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hello everyone,

I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the
bombshell released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom
Scientific and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I
don't mean a bad thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.

I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a
great number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed.
There are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to
everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this
point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to
take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them
together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months
or so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at
this point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the

results.

Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very
impressed with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in
this for the customer.

Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about
it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.
Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I
started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their
engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership,
a certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely
different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different
CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown
great leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new
leadership and available resources, I'm ready to take that and do
whatever it takes to have the best possible solutions for our
customers, for every low vision and blind person out there.

People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation
and quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There
is still plenty of competition out there, including free options but
we have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level
all they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.
Yes, this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone
out there will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything
I have into this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.

Regards,
Doug
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Re: betrayal

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

You will not support NVDA, because you do not get a profit from it. Never mind 
if the product works or not.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:56 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> First you or noone else knows what will happen this might be good.  Second I
> won't ever support nvda.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:18 PM
> To: RJ Sandefur; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: betrayal
> 
> Yeah, NVDA will be all that stands between us and total domination and
> stagnation and lack of innovation for us. At least we have the whole rest of
> world's brainpower, so we all work together and it will be a totally
> universal screenreader if we help keep it going, because it will be the
> little mouse trying to avoid being squished by the FS elephant foot.
> 
>> On 6/14/16, multi 85  wrote:
>> The lads on the NVDA list must be giddy with celebration. One less 
>> screenreader, they can channel the goodwill and skills of loads more 
>> free developers round the world.
>> 
>>> On 6/14/16, RJ Sandefur via Talk  wrote:
>>> Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ
>>> 
>>> 
 On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
 Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
 
 Darrell Bowles
 Assistive Technology Trainer
 Pelissippi State Community College
 8656613917
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
 [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
 On
 Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
 To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
 
 Subject: Re: betrayal
 
 I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, 
 Zoomtext and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less 
 because only one magnifier? We still have small companies competing, 
 brave NVDA, Dolphin and System Access. I wonder if any other 
 hardware will come out to challenge Hims and Humanware, since Pac 
 Mate was dead failure.
 
> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:
> you already know what is going to happen.
> virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
> when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
> you will pay there price or do without.
> it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
> look at what many companies have done. they usually look for 
> companies that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the 
> dollar. then put them out of business. to aquire there buildings and
> land.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: betrayal
> 
> Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow 
> will make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI 
> Squared couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't 
> ruin the quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free 
> alternatives are out there, and
> 
> they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
> 
>> On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
>> 
>> 
>> Darrell Bowles
>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>> Pelissippi State Community College
>> 8656613917
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
>> To: Ray Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion 
>> List 
>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>> 
>> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
>> 
>> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things 
>> these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack 
>> of it.
>> 
>> Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to 
>> Jaws, without having to pay full price.
>> 
>> I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if 
>> A I Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting, 
>> Interesting in a not so good way.
>> 
>> I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech 
>> Support.
>> 
>> 
>> Guess we will all see in time.
>> 
>> 
>> Grumpy Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Dave 
>> 
>> 

RE: betrayal

[Dennis Long via Talk]

First you or noone else knows what will happen this might be good.  Second I
won't ever support nvda.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:18 PM
To: RJ Sandefur; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Yeah, NVDA will be all that stands between us and total domination and
stagnation and lack of innovation for us. At least we have the whole rest of
world's brainpower, so we all work together and it will be a totally
universal screenreader if we help keep it going, because it will be the
little mouse trying to avoid being squished by the FS elephant foot.

On 6/14/16, multi 85  wrote:
> The lads on the NVDA list must be giddy with celebration. One less 
> screenreader, they can channel the goodwill and skills of loads more 
> free developers round the world.
>
> On 6/14/16, RJ Sandefur via Talk  wrote:
>> Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ
>>
>>
>> On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>> Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
>>>
>>> Darrell Bowles
>>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>>> Pelissippi State Community College
>>> 8656613917
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk 
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
>>> To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>
>>> I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, 
>>> Zoomtext and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less 
>>> because only one magnifier? We still have small companies competing, 
>>> brave NVDA, Dolphin and System Access. I wonder if any other 
>>> hardware will come out to challenge Hims and Humanware, since Pac 
>>> Mate was dead failure.
>>>
>>> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:
 you already know what is going to happen.
 virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
 when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
 you will pay there price or do without.
 it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
 look at what many companies have done. they usually look for 
 companies that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the 
 dollar. then put them out of business. to aquire there buildings and
land.


 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
 To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: betrayal

 Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow 
 will make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI 
 Squared couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't 
 ruin the quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free 
 alternatives are out there, and

 they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...

 On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
>
>
> Darrell Bowles
> Assistive Technology Trainer
> Pelissippi State Community College
> 8656613917
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
> To: Ray Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion 
> List 
> Subject: Re: betrayal
>
> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
>
> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things 
> these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack 
> of it.
>
> Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to 
> Jaws, without having to pay full price.
>
> I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if 
> A I Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting, 
> Interesting in a not so good way.
>
> I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech 
> Support.
>
>
> Guess we will all see in time.
>
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
>
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My Take On things.

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is 
cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty 
dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred 
dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for 
two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if 
you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version 
of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never 
said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA.  An 
SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades.


Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the 
best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the 
second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.


Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It 
can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and 
making the screen unseeable.


Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer 
and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.


Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I 
switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since 
version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To 
avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.


Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from 
either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true 
but it is also an easy out.


Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest 
about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No 
screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one 
should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.


I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for 
your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free 
version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other 
major changes that we might not like.


Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose 
which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues 
but all screen readers always will



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Re: betrayal

[Edward Green via Talk]

FS also prevented manufacturers from supporting JAWS with their older displays, 
effectively rendering perfectly serviceable displays obsolete for JAWS users, 
even though they still worked with other screen readers' latest versions.  
Presumably this was designed to encourage people non too gently down the Focus 
route.

We don't need to wait to see how this plays out to know that lower prices and 
more innovation are seldom achieved through reduced competition, particularly 
in such a small and overpriced market.

At least Microsoft appear finally to be taking Narrator development seriously, 
and other platforms are becoming increasingly viable.

Cheers,

Ed
> On 14 Jun 2016, at 18:20, multi 85 via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> Any of you also remember the 64-bit braille display driver controversy
> as well, where FS forced braille companies to pay to secure their
> drivers? GW stood against that, now what? Maybe braille companies will
> get in the act again like Papenmeier did with early Windows if FS try
> impose other things onto braille companies.
> 
> On 6/14/16, Tom Kingston via Talk  wrote:
>> Darrell,
>> 
>> With all due respect, what is sitting there all day bombarding this list
>> with rants going to accomplish? Go out into the woods, scream, and
>> uproot a redwood to burn off your fury. There's nothing we can do about
>> this decision. It's a done deal. And speculating is a waste of time
>> because only time will tell.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>> Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
>>> 
>>> Darrell Bowles
>>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>>> Pelissippi State Community College
>>> 8656613917
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
>>> To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>> 
>>> I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean,
>>> Zoomtext
>>> and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only
>>> one
>>> magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin
>>> and
>>> System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
>>> Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.
>>> 
>>> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:
 you already know what is going to happen.
 virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
 when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
 you will pay there price or do without.
 it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
 look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
 that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
 them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
 To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: betrayal
 
 Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
 make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
 couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
 quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
 there, and
 
 they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
 
 On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
> 
> 
> Darrell Bowles
> Assistive Technology Trainer
> Pelissippi State Community College
> 8656613917
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
> To: Ray Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: betrayal
> 
> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
> 
> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
> these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
> it.
> 
> Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
> Jaws, without having to pay full price.
> 
> I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
> Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
> Interesting in a not so good way.
> 
> I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
> Support.
> 
> 
> Guess we will all see in time.
> 
> 
> Grumpy Dave
> 
> 

Re: betrayal

[multi 85 via Talk]

Are you sure Darrell? Even though I'm not exactly happy about this, I
wouldn't say it is a monopoly. We must just make sure that colleges,
universities and governments know there are alternatives such as SA,
Baum Cobra, Dolphin screenreader and NVDA. The problem will be if the
company or screenreader becomes totally dominant in the open market
and puts others out of business, but until then, is this really
antitrust? Of course, I'm not in the US or know your laws, but they
will argue there is enough competition as far as what I can see.
Won't trade commission be waste of time for whatever objective you want?
Maybe they must just merge and we see if there might be interesting
new products, although I think large companies, if there is only one,
innovation could become slower.
We maybe all upset or worked up now, but when the dust settles, at
least it isn't a giant with no alternative for those of us who want
alternative.
The only thing scaring me is, I hope Microsoft will then not just work
with this company and will work with the other screenreaders and we
don't end up with monopoly mega.

On 6/14/16, Darrell Bowles via Talk  wrote:
> Rest of shored, I will be contacting the Federal Trade Commission.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Paulette Vickery via Talk
>>  wrote:
>>
>> It was a sad day when Hims stopped making the Voice Sense. Now if I want
>> to
>> replace mine, I will have to get a braille display, whether I want one or
>> not.
>>
>> About the swallowing whole of Aye Squared/GWMicro; it is so sad that I
>> can
>> barely think about it. I am beginning to think that no matter what we
>> spout
>> in public, blind people are slowed being screwed on many fronts. Have any
>> of
>> you guys tried to buy a stove lately? Finding one that is totally
>> accessible
>> is impossible. And now the competition between companies that say they
>> want
>> to sell to the blindness market and keep their needs in mind  has been
>> compromised yet again. Being blind these days is becoming harder rather
>> than
>> easier, no matter how you slice it.
>>
>> Paulette
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:11 PM
>> To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>
>> Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ
>>
>>
>>> On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>> Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
>>>
>>> Darrell Bowles
>>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>>> Pelissippi State Community College
>>> 8656613917
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
>>> To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>
>>> I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean,
>>> Zoomtext
>>> and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only
>>> one
>>> magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin
>> and
>>> System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
>>> Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.
>>>
 On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:
 you already know what is going to happen.
 virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
 when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
 you will pay there price or do without.
 it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
 look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
 that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
 them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.


 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
 To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: betrayal

 Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
 make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
 couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
 quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
 there, and

 they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...

> On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
>
>
> Darrell Bowles
> Assistive Technology Trainer
> Pelissippi State Community College
> 8656613917
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On
> Behalf 

Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Of course I do.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know the word "Monopoly???"
> 
> -Bob Ringwald
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:18 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell
> released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific
> and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad
> thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.
> 
> I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great
> number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There
> are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to
> everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this
> point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to
> take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them
> together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or
> so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this
> point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.
> Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed
> with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the
> customer.
> 
> Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about
> it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.
> Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
> Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I
> started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their
> engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a
> certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely
> different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different
> CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great
> leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and
> available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to
> have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision
> and blind person out there.
> 
> People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and
> quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is
> still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we
> have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all
> they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes,
> this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there
> will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into
> this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.
> 
> Regards,
> Doug
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Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

I am tired of waiting to see what happens. I am going to take action.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Let's just wait and see what happens.  We don't know the inner workings of
> the agreement.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:25 PM
> To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
> 
> "nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of" I respect you a lot and
> it's great that your optimistic about this, as far as I'm concerned
> lollollollollollollol I'll believe it when I see it.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Doug Geoffray via Talk <
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the 
>> bombshell released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom 
>> Scientific and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I 
>> don't mean a bad thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.
>> 
>> I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a 
>> great number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. 
>> There are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to 
>> everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this 
>> point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to 
>> take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them 
>> together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months 
>> or so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at 
>> this point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the
> results.
>> Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very 
>> impressed with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in 
>> this for the customer.
>> 
>> Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about 
>> it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.
>> Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
>> Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I 
>> started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their 
>> engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, 
>> a certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely 
>> different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different 
>> CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown 
>> great leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new 
>> leadership and available resources, I'm ready to take that and do 
>> whatever it takes to have the best possible solutions for our 
>> customers, for every low vision and blind person out there.
>> 
>> People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation 
>> and quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There 
>> is still plenty of competition out there, including free options but 
>> we have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level 
>> all they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  
>> Yes, this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone 
>> out there will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything 
>> I have into this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Doug
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>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
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RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Let's just wait and see what happens.  We don't know the inner workings of
the agreement.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:25 PM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

"nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of" I respect you a lot and
it's great that your optimistic about this, as far as I'm concerned
lollollollollollollol I'll believe it when I see it.



On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Doug Geoffray via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the 
> bombshell released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom 
> Scientific and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I 
> don't mean a bad thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.
>
> I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a 
> great number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. 
> There are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to 
> everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this 
> point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to 
> take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them 
> together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months 
> or so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at 
> this point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the
results.
> Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very 
> impressed with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in 
> this for the customer.
>
> Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about 
> it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.
> Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
> Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I 
> started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their 
> engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, 
> a certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely 
> different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different 
> CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown 
> great leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new 
> leadership and available resources, I'm ready to take that and do 
> whatever it takes to have the best possible solutions for our 
> customers, for every low vision and blind person out there.
>
> People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation 
> and quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There 
> is still plenty of competition out there, including free options but 
> we have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level 
> all they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  
> Yes, this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone 
> out there will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything 
> I have into this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.
>
> Regards,
> Doug
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Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Kim Lingo via Talk]

It's been a while since I've had to have any knowledge of this, as this was 
not my area of legal expertise.  However, I think Anti-trust suits are 
usually brought by the Justice Department, and as this really affects only a 
very small smidgeon of the overall computer market, I wouldn't look for any 
action by DOJ. on this.  There may be a private right of action, by 
stockholders, but I don't know for sure, and since I'm now retired--you 
know--a recovering attorney--LOL, I'm not really interested in finding 
out.but since there are other options including Narrator which I believe has 
no cost, I doubt this would fly either.  Also, you would have to show that 
the public, even a segment of the public has been harmed by this 
acquisition, and since it has just happened, that would be difficult to 
prove.


I haven't kept up with all these developments much since I still use XP, and 
Windows 8.4.  I've been thinking about upgrading to Windows 7, since I've 
read so many people experiencing difficulty of one kind or another in using 
windows X.  Maybe I should make the switch to Apple.


Kim Lingo
- Original Message - 
From: "Darrell Bowles via Talk" 
To: "'Rick Thomas'" ; "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 


Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared



It has antitrust lawsuit written all over it.

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:41 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List'


Subject: RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Hi Doug:
Have you been contacted about anti-trust considerations?
Seems like with only the JAWS company ownership owning both Jaws and
WindowEyes there are not any other major competitiors out there and thus
this combination would be anti-competitive in nature.
I don't know if that applies to the current combination but has it been
bought up in discussions?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:19 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Hello everyone,

I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell
released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific and
Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad 
thing,

I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.

I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great
number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There are
lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to everyone's 
minds.
But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this point.  We are just 
starting

the discussions internally of how best to take all our new resources,
talent, products, etc. and meld them together to give the best customer
experience.  For the next 6 months or so, it will be business as usual.
After the 6 months, who knows at this point but I can guarantee the
customers will benefit from the results.
Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed
with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the
customer.

Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about it,
we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.
Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I 
started
GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their engineers. 
Okay,
I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a certain lawsuit 
comes
to mind (smile), but that was a completely different leadership team. 
That

was a different owner and a different CEO.  Vector has an outstanding
reputation.  John Blake has shown great leadership and concern for the
customer. Under this new leadership and available resources, I'm ready to
take that and do whatever it takes to have the best possible solutions for
our customers, for every low vision and blind person out there.

People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and
quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is still
plenty of competition out there, including free options but we have the
determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all they way down
to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes, this will take 
some

time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there will give us that
opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into this venture and I
wouldn't do that if I didn't 

Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Amen, and amen.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:30 PM, multi 85 via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> Look forward to Mosen spinning it for the FS Cast soon. This is also
> bad, because what about the situation where sometimes one screenreader
> is good for some situations or works with one program and then you use
> another for a different situation? Less screenreaders = could be
> problematic.
> 
>> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:
>> wishful thinking.
>> look for another job. when aisquared murges with freedom most aisquared
>> employees will be fired.
>> this happened with both my parents when humble oil bought out signal oil.
>> they
>> promised all the signal oil employees would be retained.
>> that lasted for 6 months then all signal people were fired. they only wanted
>> 
>> humble oil employyees working for them that would remain loyal to the
>> company.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:18 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell
>> released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific
>> and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad
>> thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.
>> 
>> I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great
>> number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There
>> are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to
>> everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this
>> point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to
>> take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them
>> together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or
>> so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this
>> point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.
>> Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed
>> with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the
>> customer.
>> 
>> Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about
>> it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.
>> Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
>> Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I
>> started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their
>> engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a
>> certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely
>> different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different
>> CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great
>> leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and
>> available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to
>> have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision
>> and blind person out there.
>> 
>> People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and
>> quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is
>> still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we
>> have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all
>> they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes,
>> this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there
>> will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into
>> this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Doug
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Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[multi 85 via Talk]

Look forward to Mosen spinning it for the FS Cast soon. This is also
bad, because what about the situation where sometimes one screenreader
is good for some situations or works with one program and then you use
another for a different situation? Less screenreaders = could be
problematic.

On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:
> wishful thinking.
> look for another job. when aisquared murges with freedom most aisquared
> employees will be fired.
> this happened with both my parents when humble oil bought out signal oil.
> they
> promised all the signal oil employees would be retained.
> that lasted for 6 months then all signal people were fired. they only wanted
>
> humble oil employyees working for them that would remain loyal to the
> company.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:18 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell
> released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific
> and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad
> thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.
>
> I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great
> number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There
> are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to
> everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this
> point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to
> take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them
> together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or
> so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this
> point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.
> Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed
> with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the
> customer.
>
> Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about
> it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.
> Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
> Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I
> started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their
> engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a
> certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely
> different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different
> CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great
> leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and
> available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to
> have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision
> and blind person out there.
>
> People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and
> quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is
> still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we
> have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all
> they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes,
> this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there
> will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into
> this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.
>
> Regards,
> Doug
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Re: betrayal

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

I think Tom's got it 100% correct.  Sure, people are pissed about this 
and I can respect that. But sending hundreds of emails isn't going to 
change anything.


It's not as if the parties involved are gonna go well gosh, so and so on 
the email lists think this is a really bad idea. Lets


 not do this.  These guys gotta make money and keep the lights on and 
food on the table. Obviously these guys have to join forces or nothing's 
gonna get done.





On 6/14/2016 1:15 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Darrell,

With all due respect, what is sitting there all day bombarding this 
list with rants going to accomplish? Go out into the woods, scream, 
and uproot a redwood to burn off your fury. There's nothing we can do 
about this decision. It's a done deal. And speculating is a waste of 
time because only time will tell.


Regards,
Tom


On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On

Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: betrayal

I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, 
Zoomtext
and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because 
only one
magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, 
Dolphin and

System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.

On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:

you already know what is going to happen.
virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
you will pay there price or do without.
it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
there, and

they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...

On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

It's worse than the Munich Agreement.


Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
To: Ray Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: betrayal

Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?

Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
it.

Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
Jaws, without having to pay full price.

I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
Interesting in a not so good way.

I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
Support.


Guess we will all see in time.


Grumpy Dave



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Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[net bat via Talk]

wishful thinking.
look for another job. when aisquared murges with freedom most aisquared 
employees will be fired.
this happened with both my parents when humble oil bought out signal oil. they 
promised all the signal oil employees would be retained.
that lasted for 6 months then all signal people were fired. they only wanted 
humble oil employyees working for them that would remain loyal to the company.



-Original Message- 
From: Doug Geoffray via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Hello everyone,

I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell
released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific
and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad
thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.

I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great
number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There
are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to
everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this
point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to
take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them
together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or
so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this
point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.
Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed
with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the
customer.

Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about
it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.
Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I
started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their
engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a
certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely
different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different
CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great
leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and
available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to
have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision
and blind person out there.

People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and
quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is
still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we
have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all
they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes,
this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there
will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into
this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.

Regards,
Doug
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Re: betrayal

[Lynn White via Talk]

I actually like Jaws.  You are finding more and more third party support 
for Jaws.



I have been a Window-Eyes user since the days of Windows 95. When 
Freedom Scientific began the HUP with my former employer, I bought a 
Jaws license and now I use both.



With free or low-cost screen readers, the writing for two screen readers 
was on the wall.  We'll see what happens.




On 6/14/2016 10:58 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will 
make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared 
couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the 
quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out 
there, and


they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...

On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

It's worse than the Munich Agreement.


Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On

Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
To: Ray Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: betrayal

Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?

Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things 
these days,

it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of it.

Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to Jaws,
without having to pay full price.

I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting, 
Interesting

in a not so good way.

I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech 
Support.



Guess we will all see in time.


Grumpy Dave



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Re: betrayal

[multi 85 via Talk]

Any of you also remember the 64-bit braille display driver controversy
as well, where FS forced braille companies to pay to secure their
drivers? GW stood against that, now what? Maybe braille companies will
get in the act again like Papenmeier did with early Windows if FS try
impose other things onto braille companies.

On 6/14/16, Tom Kingston via Talk  wrote:
> Darrell,
>
> With all due respect, what is sitting there all day bombarding this list
> with rants going to accomplish? Go out into the woods, scream, and
> uproot a redwood to burn off your fury. There's nothing we can do about
> this decision. It's a done deal. And speculating is a waste of time
> because only time will tell.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
>>
>> Darrell Bowles
>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>> Pelissippi State Community College
>> 8656613917
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
>> To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> 
>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>
>> I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean,
>> Zoomtext
>> and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only
>> one
>> magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin
>> and
>> System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
>> Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.
>>
>> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:
>>> you already know what is going to happen.
>>> virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
>>> when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
>>> you will pay there price or do without.
>>> it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
>>> look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
>>> that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
>>> them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
>>> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>
>>> Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
>>> make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
>>> couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
>>> quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
>>> there, and
>>>
>>> they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
>>>
>>> On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
 It's worse than the Munich Agreement.


 Darrell Bowles
 Assistive Technology Trainer
 Pelissippi State Community College
 8656613917




 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
 On
 Behalf Of Dave via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
 To: Ray Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 
 Subject: Re: betrayal

 Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?

 Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
 these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
 it.

 Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
 Jaws, without having to pay full price.

 I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
 Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
 Interesting in a not so good way.

 I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
 Support.


 Guess we will all see in time.


 Grumpy Dave



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Re: betrayal

[multi 85 via Talk]

Yeah, NVDA will be all that stands between us and total domination and
stagnation and lack of innovation for us. At least we have the whole
rest of world's brainpower, so we all work together and it will be a
totally universal screenreader if we help keep it going, because it
will be the little mouse trying to avoid being squished by the FS
elephant foot.

On 6/14/16, multi 85  wrote:
> The lads on the NVDA list must be giddy with celebration. One less
> screenreader, they can channel the goodwill and skills of loads more
> free developers round the world.
>
> On 6/14/16, RJ Sandefur via Talk  wrote:
>> Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ
>>
>>
>> On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>> Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
>>>
>>> Darrell Bowles
>>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>>> Pelissippi State Community College
>>> 8656613917
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
>>> To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>
>>> I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean,
>>> Zoomtext
>>> and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only
>>> one
>>> magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin
>>> and
>>> System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
>>> Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.
>>>
>>> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:
 you already know what is going to happen.
 virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
 when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
 you will pay there price or do without.
 it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
 look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
 that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
 them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.


 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
 To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: betrayal

 Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
 make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
 couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
 quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
 there, and

 they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...

 On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
>
>
> Darrell Bowles
> Assistive Technology Trainer
> Pelissippi State Community College
> 8656613917
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
> To: Ray Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: betrayal
>
> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
>
> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
> these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
> it.
>
> Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
> Jaws, without having to pay full price.
>
> I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
> Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
> Interesting in a not so good way.
>
> I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
> Support.
>
>
> Guess we will all see in time.
>
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
>
> --
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>>> 

Re: betrayal

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Darrell,

With all due respect, what is sitting there all day bombarding this list 
with rants going to accomplish? Go out into the woods, scream, and 
uproot a redwood to burn off your fury. There's nothing we can do about 
this decision. It's a done deal. And speculating is a waste of time 
because only time will tell.


Regards,
Tom


On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: betrayal

I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, Zoomtext
and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only one
magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin and
System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.

On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:

you already know what is going to happen.
virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
you will pay there price or do without.
it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
there, and

they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...

On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

It's worse than the Munich Agreement.


Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
To: Ray Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: betrayal

Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?

Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
it.

Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
Jaws, without having to pay full price.

I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
Interesting in a not so good way.

I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
Support.


Guess we will all see in time.


Grumpy Dave



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Re: betrayal

[multi 85 via Talk]

The lads on the NVDA list must be giddy with celebration. One less
screenreader, they can channel the goodwill and skills of loads more
free developers round the world.

On 6/14/16, RJ Sandefur via Talk  wrote:
> Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ
>
>
> On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
>>
>> Darrell Bowles
>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>> Pelissippi State Community College
>> 8656613917
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
>> To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> 
>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>
>> I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean,
>> Zoomtext
>> and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only
>> one
>> magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin
>> and
>> System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
>> Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.
>>
>> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:
>>> you already know what is going to happen.
>>> virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
>>> when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
>>> you will pay there price or do without.
>>> it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
>>> look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
>>> that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
>>> them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
>>> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>
>>> Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
>>> make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
>>> couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
>>> quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
>>> there, and
>>>
>>> they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
>>>
>>> On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
 It's worse than the Munich Agreement.


 Darrell Bowles
 Assistive Technology Trainer
 Pelissippi State Community College
 8656613917




 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
 On
 Behalf Of Dave via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
 To: Ray Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 
 Subject: Re: betrayal

 Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?

 Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
 these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
 it.

 Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
 Jaws, without having to pay full price.

 I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
 Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
 Interesting in a not so good way.

 I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
 Support.


 Guess we will all see in time.


 Grumpy Dave



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Re: betrayal

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

I'm seeing a large donartion to N.V.D.a. in my future.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 13:11:10 -0400
RJ Sandefur via Talk  wrote:

> Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ
> 
> 
> On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> > Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
> >
> > Darrell Bowles
> > Assistive Technology Trainer
> > Pelissippi State Community College
> > 8656613917
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> > Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
> > To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > 
> > Subject: Re: betrayal
> >
> > I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, Zoomtext
> > and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only one
> > magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin and
> > System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
> > Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.
> >
> > On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:
> >> you already know what is going to happen.
> >> virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
> >> when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
> >> you will pay there price or do without.
> >> it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
> >> look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
> >> that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
> >> them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
> >> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: betrayal
> >>
> >> Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
> >> make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
> >> couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
> >> quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
> >> there, and
> >>
> >> they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
> >>
> >> On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> >>> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Darrell Bowles
> >>> Assistive Technology Trainer
> >>> Pelissippi State Community College
> >>> 8656613917
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Talk
> >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
> >>> On
> >>> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
> >>> To: Ray Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> >>> 
> >>> Subject: Re: betrayal
> >>>
> >>> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
> >>>
> >>> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
> >>> these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
> >>> it.
> >>>
> >>> Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
> >>> Jaws, without having to pay full price.
> >>>
> >>> I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
> >>> Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
> >>> Interesting in a not so good way.
> >>>
> >>> I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
> >>> Support.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Guess we will all see in time.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Grumpy Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
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Re: betrayal

[RJ Sandefur via Talk]

Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ


On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: betrayal

I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, Zoomtext
and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only one
magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin and
System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.

On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:

you already know what is going to happen.
virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
you will pay there price or do without.
it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
there, and

they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...

On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

It's worse than the Munich Agreement.


Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




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On
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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
To: Ray Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: betrayal

Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?

Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
it.

Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
Jaws, without having to pay full price.

I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
Interesting in a not so good way.

I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
Support.


Guess we will all see in time.


Grumpy Dave



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Re: betrayal

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

This whole thing is a lose lose situation for screen reader and screen
magnification users. I need and use both.



On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Darrell Bowles via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
>
> Darrell Bowles
> Assistive Technology Trainer
> Pelissippi State Community College
> 8656613917
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles =
> msn@lists.window-eyes.com ] On
> Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
> To: net bat >; Window-Eyes Discussion
> List
> >
> Subject: Re: betrayal
>
> I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, Zoomtext
> and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only one
> magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin and
> System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
> Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.
>
> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk >
> wrote:
> > you already know what is going to happen.
> > virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
> > when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
> > you will pay there price or do without.
> > it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
> > look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
> > that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
> > them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
> > To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: betrayal
> >
> > Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
> > make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
> > couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
> > quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
> > there, and
> >
> > they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
> >
> > On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> >> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
> >>
> >>
> >> Darrell Bowles
> >> Assistive Technology Trainer
> >> Pelissippi State Community College
> >> 8656613917
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Talk
> >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles =
> msn@lists.window-eyes.com ]
> >> On
> >> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
> >> To: Ray Campbell >; Window-Eyes
> Discussion List
> >> >
> >> Subject: Re: betrayal
> >>
> >> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
> >>
> >> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
> >> these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
> >> it.
> >>
> >> Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
> >> Jaws, without having to pay full price.
> >>
> >> I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
> >> Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
> >> Interesting in a not so good way.
> >>
> >> I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
> >> Support.
> >>
> >>
> >> Guess we will all see in time.
> >>
> >>
> >> Grumpy Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
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Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

So we should be encouraging this type of behavior?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Curtis Delzer via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Doug, I believe as many on this list, you had no choice, so it is more
> proffitable to go along than resist, so hey since you, cannot beat em,
> you join em, simple as that.
> Company man! go for it and leave the ideals of those who have spent over
> 30 years now supporting your, company. Now it is a huge agency combined
> with multi-fragmented support to their own agenda, not ours. Money
> drives, we don't thrive, we pay, and continue to pay.
> Let us all support NVDA and pray they don't get absorbed as well.
> They do more than Window-Eyes and JFW concerning many aspects of windows
> ten right now.
> -- 
> Curtis Delzer 
> 
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 16:18:46 +
> Doug Geoffray via Talk  wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell 
>> released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific 
>> and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad 
>> thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.
>> 
>> I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great 
>> number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There 
>> are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to 
>> everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this 
>> point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to 
>> take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them 
>> together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or 
>> so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this 
>> point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.  
>> Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed 
>> with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the 
>> customer.
>> 
>> Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about 
>> it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.  
>> Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate. 
>> Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I 
>> started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their 
>> engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a 
>> certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely 
>> different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different 
>> CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great 
>> leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and 
>> available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to 
>> have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision 
>> and blind person out there.
>> 
>> People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and 
>> quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is 
>> still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we 
>> have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all 
>> they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes, 
>> this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there 
>> will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into 
>> this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Doug
>> ___
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Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

Doug, I believe as many on this list, you had no choice, so it is more
proffitable to go along than resist, so hey since you, cannot beat em,
you join em, simple as that.
Company man! go for it and leave the ideals of those who have spent over
30 years now supporting your, company. Now it is a huge agency combined
with multi-fragmented support to their own agenda, not ours. Money
drives, we don't thrive, we pay, and continue to pay.
Let us all support NVDA and pray they don't get absorbed as well.
They do more than Window-Eyes and JFW concerning many aspects of windows
ten right now.
-- 
Curtis Delzer 

On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 16:18:46 +
Doug Geoffray via Talk  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell 
> released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific 
> and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad 
> thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.
> 
> I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great 
> number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There 
> are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to 
> everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this 
> point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to 
> take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them 
> together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or 
> so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this 
> point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.  
> Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed 
> with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the 
> customer.
> 
> Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about 
> it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.  
> Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate. 
> Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I 
> started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their 
> engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a 
> certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely 
> different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different 
> CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great 
> leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and 
> available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to 
> have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision 
> and blind person out there.
> 
> People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and 
> quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is 
> still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we 
> have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all 
> they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes, 
> this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there 
> will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into 
> this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.
> 
> Regards,
> Doug
> ___
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RE: betrayal

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: betrayal

I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, Zoomtext
and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only one
magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin and
System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.

On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:
> you already know what is going to happen.
> virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
> when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice. 
> you will pay there price or do without.
> it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
> look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies 
> that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put 
> them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: betrayal
>
> Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will 
> make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared 
> couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the 
> quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out 
> there, and
>
> they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
>
> On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
>>
>>
>> Darrell Bowles
>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>> Pelissippi State Community College
>> 8656613917
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
>> To: Ray Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>
>> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
>>
>> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things 
>> these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of 
>> it.
>>
>> Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to 
>> Jaws, without having to pay full price.
>>
>> I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I 
>> Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting, 
>> Interesting in a not so good way.
>>
>> I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech 
>> Support.
>>
>>
>> Guess we will all see in time.
>>
>>
>> Grumpy Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dave 
>>
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>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
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