Re: Questions re WE

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   What about the fact nothing had been said if Window-Eyes will support 
Edge in the future?  Listening to a fs podcast, I see that jaws plans for 
future support for Edge.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 6:49 AM
To: Karyn Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Questions re WE

Hi Karen,

AI Squared, which is the company which sells Window-Eyes, has made no 
announcement of any kind which suggests that the product is being 
discontinued.
While the VFO Group is the mother company of AI Squared, the lives of the 
child companies are doing business as usual.
Therefore, as it continues to work very well with all versions of Windows, 
and this includes the most recent edition of Windows 10, it makes sense to 
continue to purchase a Software Maintenance Agreement for Window-Eyes.

I know I will continue to buy SMAs as long as they are available.

I hope this helps,

Rod Hutton

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Karyn Campbell via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 9:00 AM
To: Window-Eyes list 
Subject: Questions re WE

Hello all,

I am back after an extended absence from this list. Sorry to come back with
a bang but I need some answers.

At work I am trying to get my employer to upgrade me to the latest version.
That's not really the issue right now. The SMA is the issue though and I
need some answers before I press them for that one.

What is the status of Window-Eyes? If it were to go away, what is the plan
for those of us who use it? Is it even worth getting an SMA right now?

Answers would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
machines.

Join me in supporting the Illinois Council of the Blind through our GoFundMe
page at www.gofundme.com/icb2015.


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Re: Window-Eyes on a Lenovo laptop

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Interesting, I didn't have that issue when installing Window-eyes on my new 
desktop machine.


-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton

Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes on a Lenovo laptop

Not sure about the radio button thing, but, ever since Windows 8, some
installations would say this on the desktop..  It may even be a
configurable option, I'm just not sure.

On 4/25/17, Russ Kiehne via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
I installed Window-Eyes on a Lenovo laptop.  After doing so, on the 
desktop,

Window-eyes says things like: Internet Explorer checkbox checked, Recycle
Bin checkbox checked.  Why is this?

When I went to install a program, Window-Eyes would not speak the status 
of

radio buttons.
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Re: firefox and w/e

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

From Blind Bargains as of ttwo days back:


CAPTCHA Solver WebVisum May Now be Gone for Good with Firefox 53
J.J. Meddaugh

Apr 23, 2017 9:18 PM ET


one of the earliest methods for users to solve visual CAPTCHAs may now be 
obsolete once and for all. WebVisum, a Firefox add-on for solving the pesky 
visual puzzles, seems to no longer work with the latest version of the 
browser.


Indeed, the recent history of WebVisum can be described as murky at best. 
Once the gold standard for solving a CAPTCHA on a website, changes in 
Firefox threatened its existence a year ago. Firefox added a new security 
feature which required that

all extensions be signed by version 43.
This rendered the ad-don unusable until James Scholes
stepped forward with a quick fix
which made the solver work again.

Firefox
introduced new add-on requirements for Firefox 53
and this version became the default for Windows users as of April 18. The 
makers of WebVisum have seemingly not shown much interest in maintaining the 
add-on, and it will take someone to revitalize the code if there is to be 
any future for the add-on. We do not advise you to remain with an older 
version of Firefox just to retain the use of WebVisum, as doing so will 
leave you vulnerable to other security concerns.


Other options

Accessible Apps offers
Captcha be Gone as a service
which is available for a few dollars a month. It supports Firefox, Chrome, 
and Internet Explorer with plans to expand to other browsers.



Rumola
offers Firefox, Chrome, and Safari extensions and works on a credit system, 
where you can spend a small amount of money to solve a number of CAPTCHA 
challenges. The Firefox add-on has not been updated since 2014 and we have 
not tested its functionality on Firefox 53, but other add-ons are available 
in case one stops functioning.



-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 8:49 PM
To: mcleod stinnett ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: firefox and w/e

Perhaps I am missing something. But what info do you have, that
indicates Webvisum no longer to work with Firefox.


I just checked their homepage, and did not find any such indication.
Maybe I did not look carefully enough. Still, if you could please
provide some info on the matter, I would greatly love to know, before
upgrading to newest version of the browser, which was suggested on my
computer this morning.


BTW, would anyone know how to block automatic updates in Firefox? I am
not too eager on doing so, as it does pose a risk, but just wanted to
know in case it should be necessary. Or, alternatively, how do I roll
back an installed update?


Thanks,


David

On 4/25/2017 2:33 AM, mcleod stinnett via Talk wrote:

now that web visum no longer works with f f 53 i went back to f f 455
e s r and w v works fine. however, plain old favorites no longer
works. and, i can't go in to browse mode with w/e, it says browse mode
not availavle, no matter where i go, i have w/e set to go into browse
mode with ctrl shft a, shood i re install w/e?  thanks
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Re: making the switch

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Would you happen to know if the version of voice dream reader for the Kindle 
fire has been updated?


-Original Message- 
From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 1:12 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: making the switch

Hi,

We have had at least two updates to Voice Dream Reader in the last week.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: 07 April 2017 14:11
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Joshua
Kennedy <joshknnd1...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: making the switch

The reason I ask, it's my understanding there hasn't been a update to the
android version in a very long time?

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 7:39 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

I have not tested all those file types, but I think it probably would.



On 4/6/2017 9:18 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:

Does it do all of the following?

With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare, unprotected
epub. Supported File Formats PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0
text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 audiobooks, Zipped MP3 files, such as
LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF), Microsoft Word,
Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML, What's nice
about voice dream reader, you can download books from both bookshare
and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device.  Voice dream reader
is supplied with Acapela.  You have the optionof using Neospeech or Ivona.
I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a
booksense when reading any text based file.

-Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot.


Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:


How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?
I hear that the ios version is much better!

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: making the switch

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA
galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact
I can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses
taking over the system. And I like playing with different apps from
the app store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing
games such as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes
game zone and watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet
even interacts with my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.


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Re: Window-Eyes suddenly invalid?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

And it is beginning to look like there will be no more Window-Eyes 
development?


-Original Message- 
From: Darrell Bowles

Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 7:22 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes suddenly invalid?

I remember those, and I member the how do you do that set of videos. It 
makes me sad to see it all for not, now.



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:34 AM
To: Don H <lmdd...@comcast.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes suddenly invalid?

Yes, wasn't that great!

Any oneremember the Guess what podcasts.

-Original Message-
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 2:29 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes suddenly invalid?

Weren't we spoiled by the past when GW staff monitored the list and answered 
such questions in short order.  Now with the new owners no monitoring is 
done.


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Re: Window-Eyes suddenly invalid?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Yes, wasn't that great!

Any oneremember the Guess what podcasts.

-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 2:29 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes suddenly invalid?

Weren't we spoiled by the past when GW staff monitored the list and
answered such questions in short order.  Now with the new owners no
monitoring is done.

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Re: App updates

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

IN that case, I see no need to update the apps.

-Original Message- 
From: Kevin Huber

Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 6:37 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: App updates

Hi Russ:

As was said, the version numbers for most of the updates have not
change so you have to update manually.

On 4/18/17, Russ Kiehne via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

I haven't received any Window-eyes updates in a long time!

-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 2:17 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: App updates

Hi everyone,

I'm not sure whether anyone has noticed, but many, if not all of the GW
Micro apps are being updated to reflect the merge with AI Squared.

Hth,

Rod
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Re: App updates

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

We still don't know if there will be future development of Window-Eyes? 
Window-eyes users still can't use the Edge browser.


-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 2:02 AM
To: 'Rod Hutton' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Paulette Vickery'
Subject: RE: App updates

I see this as a promising sign, however. If you are about to abandon a
product, why go to all this trouble?



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Re: App updates

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I haven't received any Window-eyes updates in a long time!

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 2:17 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: App updates

Hi everyone,

I'm not sure whether anyone has noticed, but many, if not all of the GW 
Micro apps are being updated to reflect the merge with AI Squared.


Hth,

Rod
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Re: considering updating, have a little question

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I downloaded and ran Windows10Upgrade9252.exe

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 9:36 AM
To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: considering updating, have a little question

its control windows enter now for narrator.
and its the same. you turn it on in about 1 hour after the setup starts.
i don't know if the u s b version of windows 10 will have the self talking
setup or not if you ever need to do a clean install.
the creator version now has a talking install when you need to do a clean
install. i don't know if the creation tool would include this.

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 8:58 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: considering updating, have a little question

Hey listers,

I am considering going ahead and updating to the Creators edition today
instead of waiting until it comes around on the guitar, if some of you
are old enough to know or remember what I mean.

Two things I would like to know.

When I go to update within the settings options, will it take for ever
for the update process to even begin, like it did when updating to
Windows 10. If so, would I be better off using something like a media
creation tool as I finally ended up doing when upgrading to 10, or is
there any such tool, or as I guess I am trying to establish, is that
even an option?

Also, when does Narrator start talking in the process of updating? Or,
do I need to press windows-enter periodically within the process to
start it up?

OK, before I succeed in confusing even myself, I will turn it over you,
patient reader.

Thanks in advance,

Larry
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Re: Windows 10 release

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

And I wonder if Window-Eyes users will ever be able to use the Edge Browser?

-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 6:04 AM
To: Matthew Chao via Talk
Subject: Re: Windows 10 release

It works the same on the new release as it did with the older version of
Win 10.  Same level of bugs that won't be fixed anytime soon if ever.

On 4/11/2017 7:49 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
Question is: is there an update for Window-Eyes, or will our current 
versions work with the new Windows 10 release?--Matthew Chao





On 4/11/2017 8:45 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
It is being rolled out starting today. However you can download it 
yourself if you wish from this link

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
   - Original Message -
   From: Kenneth Son via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 8:19 AM
   Subject: Windows 10 release


   Greetings to the list.

   Has this creators addition

 of win 10 been released?

   If so I want to call in and get a new coppy of the latest update of
   Window Eyes.

   Kenneth Son.


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Re: Windows 10 release

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The current version of Window-Eyes works with the creators update.  I'm 
using it now.  I installed the Creators update a couple of days back.


-Original Message- 
From: Matthew Chao via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 5:49 AM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 release

Question is: is there an update for Window-Eyes, or will our current
versions work with the new Windows 10 release?--Matthew Chao




On 4/11/2017 8:45 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
It is being rolled out starting today. However you can download it 
yourself if you wish from this link

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
   - Original Message -
   From: Kenneth Son via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 8:19 AM
   Subject: Windows 10 release


   Greetings to the list.

   Has this creators addition

 of win 10 been released?

   If so I want to call in and get a new coppy of the latest update of
   Window Eyes.

   Kenneth Son.


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Re: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 Creator Edition

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The only problem I have is, when I start my computer, narrator is running. 
I have to turn it off until the next time I start my computer.  How do you 
keep narrator from running when you start your computer?


-Original Message- 
From: Loy via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 8:29 AM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 Creator Edition

Not experiencing these problems.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

 To: t...@window-eyes.com
 Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 9:19 AM
 Subject: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 Creator Edition


 Hi,
 The creator edition is pretty good, but I have 2 issues.
 First narator won’t work when I press control-windows-enter, but it will 
work when I shut down narrator.
 The second issue is that Window-Eyes won’t speak when I am in the Windows 
Defender program so I have to use Narrator when in that program.

 Anybody experiencing a problem like these?
 Thanks,
 Pastor Gil
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Re: Crossing over to the other side

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I've also been giving jaws a try.  I noticed it doesn't say 1 of 100,  2 of 
100 when arrowing up and down the message list in windows live mail.


-Original Message- 
From: Mike Rogers via Talk

Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 3:27 PM
To: bjn...@windstream.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Crossing over to the other side

Hi.
I have also switched to Jaws.  It works really well with Google  chrome, on 
the internet.  But I switch back to W.E. and firefox, for the bard page, as 
I like it better.  It's a process, as I've been using W.E. since 1998.


Mike



www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 18:01:57 -0400
Brenda via Talk  wrote:


Hello List,


It is with great sadness that today I installed Jaws.


I have noticed a few things I like.  I don't know the Jaws mouse cursor, 
but I was able to use it to read the AVG Zen screen and go to my messages 
within Zen and read them.  Also, in Thunderbird, I was able to read more 
with the mouse with jaws.  The onboard training is pretty nice too.  I 
always hated trying to surf through the W-e manual.



I'm still having issues changing settings like speech rate, etc. I am 
doing a lot of trial and error to get where I need to go. I will have to 
actually read/listen to some of the training stuff.



Of course, Window-eyes Tech Support was the best.  But as much as I love 
Window-Eyes and the former Tech Support, I have to look out for myself as 
all the GW Micro employees did.  They all have other jobs and lives 
outside of GW/window-eyes.  I had gone into vacation mode for the talk 
discussion list, but I was always subscribed to the GW News list and heard 
nothing until the manditory/necessary update was announced this January. 
When I came back to the discussion list it was you kind people who filled 
me in.



I'll still use Window-eyes, but I will be ready to change as change is 
coming (like records to 8-track tapes, to cassettes, floppy disks, and 
on it goes.)



Brenda




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Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing futureofwindow-eyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

This is why I made the comment if there will be any future development of 
window-eyes.


-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 7:59 AM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing 
futureofwindow-eyes


Using the creator update WE still does not work with the Edge browser.
NDVA on the other hand works fairly well.

On 4/7/2017 9:30 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:

The good news is, this latest update 9.5.4.0 is designed to work with
the creators update.   so you'll be covered if you update to that.  I
have never known AI Squared/GW Micro to put a software update out unless
they really need to.  I guess i'm a little more satisfied than some folks.



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As you said, not much was said about Window-Eyes? Nothing said if
there would be future development?

-Original Message- From: Rebecca Lineberger via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 8:29 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future
ofwindow-eyes

Thanks for this podcast.  Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except
that
it would continue.
I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be
ready for
the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked.  I also said
that we
were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the talk about JAWS, and
that
they needed to get information out to Window-Eyes users that would
address
product concerns and rumors.  Window-Eyes is a great product and they
need
to hear from those who appreciate it.  JMO.
Rebecca
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
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Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of
window-eyes

In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed
http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3

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Re: future of WE

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

How  did you get it?  It's my understanding it will be released next week.

-Original Message- 
From: Loy via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:31 AM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: future of WE

Just upgraded to Windows Creator and Window Eyes is working great with it.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Don H via Talk

 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 2:24 PM
 Subject: future of WE


 OK so it seems that the news is that WE will continue to work with the
 next version of Windows 10.  That is good news however nothing is being
 said about making any real updates to WE now or in the future.
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Re: future of WE

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I noticed the same thing?

-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:24 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: future of WE

OK so it seems that the news is that WE will continue to work with the
next version of Windows 10.  That is good news however nothing is being
said about making any real updates to WE now or in the future.
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Re: a question about using touch screens

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   You can get a tactile screen protector for your iphone, ipad or ipod 
touch.  I have one on my ipod touch and ;ipad mini.


-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:13 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: a question about using touch screens

OK folks, I've been wanting to ask this for a long time. Not having ever
attempted to use a tablet, iPhone or any other touch screen device, I
realize just how stupid this question might sound, but bear with me, OK?

I just want to know how a blind user like myself avoids becoming a hunt
and pecker when trying to  type on a touch screen. There obviously can't
be anything like home keys, or a easily recognizable home base for the
fingers, so short of having to buy and use a bluetooth keyboard, how do
you  guys who make use of these screens do it?

Please be nice .

Larry
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Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future ofwindow-eyes

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As you said, not much was said about Window-Eyes?  Nothing said if there 
would be future development?


-Original Message- 
From: Rebecca Lineberger via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 8:29 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future 
ofwindow-eyes


Thanks for this podcast.  Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except that
it would continue.
I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be ready for
the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked.  I also said that we
were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the talk about JAWS, and that
they needed to get information out to Window-Eyes users that would address
product concerns and rumors.  Window-Eyes is a great product and they need
to hear from those who appreciate it.  JMO.
Rebecca
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To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of
window-eyes

In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed
http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3

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Re: making the switch

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The reason I ask, it's my understanding there hasn't been a update to the 
android version in a very long time?


-Original Message- 
From: Joshua Kennedy

Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 7:39 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

I have not tested all those file types, but I think it probably would.



On 4/6/2017 9:18 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:

Does it do all of the following?

With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare, unprotected 
epub. Supported File Formats

PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 audiobooks,
Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF),
Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML,
What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both 
bookshare
and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device.  Voice dream reader is 
supplied with Acapela.  You have the optionof using Neospeech or Ivona.
I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a 
booksense

when reading any text based file.

-Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot.


Sent with AquaMail for Android
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On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne"  wrote:


How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  I
hear that the ios version is much better!

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: making the switch

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA
galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I
can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking
over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app
store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such
as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and
watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with
my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.


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Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of window-eyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed
http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3

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Re: Windows screen readers

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation 
victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini.  I ended up getting 
a ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader 
stream and a lot more.  It has better sound, more volume and better battery 
life than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and 
plextalk pocket.


-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen

Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM
To: Russ Kiehne
Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers

Why do you think I have one of those?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne
wrote:


That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream!

-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers

Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like,
touch screens and so forth, which I'm not.  Just doesn't make sense to
me.  The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it
isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone.  But, it is the
same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years.  Everybody
should use what I use and my way is the only way.  I have an I pod touch
5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue,
4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:


 Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to learn.
 reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on
 turn on voice over and have fun.

 -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM
 To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Windows screen readers

 Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and a
 Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile versions
 of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't?  I have been considering
 purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it is
 really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS.  I have been using
 NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some web
 pages.

 On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
>   Tony,
>
>  I share some of your frustrations.  I had to use JAWS more during the
>  past
>  year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all of 
> what

>  I
>   feel are bugs in JAWS.  It always seemed to me that many JAWS users
>   felt
>   that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs.  On my job, both JAWS and
>   Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while NVDA did
>   not
>   work with it.  While I like my iPhone, I have found myself frustrated
>   there with bugs as well.  The pace of change in technology,
>   particularly
>   web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our access on 
> all
>   platforms in my opinion.  I know of people who have switched to the 
> MAC
>   and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have 
> switched

>   back.  Also, some of your examples are partly due to inconsistent or
>  poor
>   web browser support.  People I have talked to who work on 
> accessibility

>   have told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it needs to be
>   tested with all combinations of screen readers and web browsers to 
> know

>  if
>   the page will work.  There is often even browser-specific code in web
>   sites even without accessibility.  It is very possible, for example,
>  that
>  Netflix is running different code when you access the very same page
>  with
>   a MAC as you access with a Windows browser.  This makes it very hard 
> to

>   determine where problems exist.
>
>   I hope that your switch to Apple works well for you.
>
>   Best regards,
>
>   Steve Jacobson
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Talk
>   [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On

>   Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
>   Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:46 AM
>   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>   Subject: Windows screen readers
>
>  Hello, Before I say anything, let me first say that I was a Jaws user
>  for
>   several years before switching to Window Eyes back in 2004, and I’ve
>   been a faitful WE user ever since. Why is it that everytime someone
>   can’t use a certain website or something like I tunes or Netflix the
>   first thing is they need to fix their website. Why is it that II a
>  person
>   can go to Netflix on an IOS device and using Voice Over can use 
> netflix
>   with no problem. Now we are talking about a free built in screen 
> reader

>  as
>   opposed to an $895 and $1195 third party screen readers? I can’t use
>   Netflix on my PC because both Jaws and Window eyes people have told 
> me

>  it
>   isn’t accessible. However I can go to Netflix 

Re: making the switch

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The Tablet I'm thinking about getting is the Kindle Fire.  This way I can 
get a feel for android and have access to Alexa.


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C

Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:00 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the switch

I think it is really amatter of which one a person becomes proficient with.
I do know the talk Back speeech has quite a few keyboard commands, and that
it reads web pages quite well, it works with the video streaming apps ie:
Netflix, Slink, etc. And for $80 you could hardly go wrong as far as getting
one to try and learn and then later get a bigg nore powerful one.

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:20 AM
To: Joshua Kennedy ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  I
hear that the ios version is much better!

-Original Message- 
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: making the switch

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA
galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I
can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking
over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app
store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such
as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and
watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with
my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.


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Re: making the switch

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Does it do all of the following?

With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare,  unprotected epub. 
Supported File Formats

PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 audiobooks,
Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF),
Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML,
What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both 
bookshare
and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device.  Voice dream reader is 
supplied with Acapela.  You have the optionof using Neospeech or Ivona.

I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a booksense
when reading any text based file.

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot.


Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne"  wrote:


How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  I
hear that the ios version is much better!

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: making the switch

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA
galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I
can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking
over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app
store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such
as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and
watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with
my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.


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Re: making the switch

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  I 
hear that the ios version is much better!


-Original Message- 
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: making the switch

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA
galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I
can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking
over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app
store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such
as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and
watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with
my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.


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Re: Windows screen readers

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream!

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers

Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like,
touch screens and so forth, which I'm not.  Just doesn't make sense to
me.  The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it
isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone.  But, it is the
same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years.  Everybody
should use what I use and my way is the only way.  I have an I pod touch
5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue,
4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:

Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to learn. 
reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on 
turn on voice over and have fun.


-Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers

Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and a
Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile versions
of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't?  I have been considering
purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it is
really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS.  I have been using
NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some web
pages.

On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

 Tony,

 I share some of your frustrations.  I had to use JAWS more during the 
past
 year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all of what 
I

 feel are bugs in JAWS.  It always seemed to me that many JAWS users felt
 that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs.  On my job, both JAWS and
 Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while NVDA did not
 work with it.  While I like my iPhone, I have found myself frustrated
 there with bugs as well.  The pace of change in technology, particularly
 web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our access on all
 platforms in my opinion.  I know of people who have switched to the MAC
 and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have switched
 back.  Also, some of your examples are partly due to inconsistent or 
poor

 web browser support.  People I have talked to who work on accessibility
 have told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it needs to be
 tested with all combinations of screen readers and web browsers to know 
if

 the page will work.  There is often even browser-specific code in web
 sites even without accessibility.  It is very possible, for example, 
that
 Netflix is running different code when you access the very same page 
with

 a MAC as you access with a Windows browser.  This makes it very hard to
 determine where problems exist.

 I hope that your switch to Apple works well for you.

 Best regards,

 Steve Jacobson

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:46 AM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
 Subject: Windows screen readers

 Hello, Before I say anything, let me first say that I was a Jaws user 
for

 several years before switching to Window Eyes back in 2004, and I’ve
 been a faitful WE user ever since. Why is it that everytime someone
 can’t use a certain website or something like I tunes or Netflix the
 first thing is they need to fix their website. Why is it that II a 
person

 can go to Netflix on an IOS device and using Voice Over can use netflix
 with no problem. Now we are talking about a free built in screen reader 
as

 opposed to an $895 and $1195 third party screen readers? I can’t use
 Netflix on my PC because both Jaws and Window eyes people have told me 
it

 isn’t accessible. However I can go to Netflix using my I phone or my I
 Pad Mini and use netflix with the free screen reader? I mean I don’t get
 it, support at both Jaws and WE have said it isn’t accessible and they
 can’t make their screenreaders work with it, but IOS does???
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Re: Windows screen readers

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

My ipad mini 4 is my favorite device for reading books from bookshare, BARD 
and kindle, listening to old time radio shows and watching old tv shows like 
Tales of Wells Fargo, Sea hunt and more.  It now takes the place of my first 
generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and plextalk pocket.


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:25 AM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers

Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to learn.
reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on turn
on voice over and have fun.

-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers

Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and a
Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile versions
of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't?  I have been considering
purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it is
really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS.  I have been using
NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some web
pages.

On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Tony,

I share some of your frustrations.  I had to use JAWS more during the past 
year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all of what I 
feel are bugs in JAWS.  It always seemed to me that many JAWS users felt 
that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs.  On my job, both JAWS and 
Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while NVDA did not 
work with it.  While I like my iPhone, I have found myself frustrated 
there with bugs as well.  The pace of change in technology, particularly 
web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our access on all 
platforms in my opinion.  I know of people who have switched to the MAC 
and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have switched 
back.  Also, some of your examples are partly due to inconsistent or poor 
web browser support.  People I have talked to who work on accessibility 
have told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it needs to be 
tested with all combinations of screen readers and web browsers to know if 
the page will work.  There is often even browser-specific code in web 
sites even without accessibility.  It is very possible, for example, that 
Netflix is running different code when you access the very same page with 
a MAC as you access with a Windows browser.  This makes it very hard to 
determine where problems exist.


I hope that your switch to Apple works well for you.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:46 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Windows screen readers

Hello, Before I say anything, let me first say that I was a Jaws user for 
several years before switching to Window Eyes back in 2004, and I’ve been 
a faitful WE user ever since. Why is it that everytime someone can’t use a 
certain website or something like I tunes or Netflix the first thing is 
they need to fix their website. Why is it that II a person can go to 
Netflix on an IOS device and using Voice Over can use netflix with no 
problem. Now we are talking about a free built in screen reader as opposed 
to an $895 and $1195 third party screen readers? I can’t use Netflix on my 
PC because both Jaws and Window eyes people have told me it isn’t 
accessible. However I can go to Netflix using my I phone or my I Pad Mini 
and use netflix with the free screen reader? I mean I don’t get it, 
support at both Jaws and WE have said it isn’t accessible and they can’t 
make their screenreaders work with it, but IOS does???

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Re: itunes really needs fixing to work with window eyes.

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The only thing I use itunes for is to use itunes file sharing to transfer 
content to voice dream reader.  I haven't tried it as of yet with itunes 
12.6.


-Original Message- 
From: Kevin Huber

Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 7:43 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: CJ  MAY ; Dave
Subject: Re: itunes really needs fixing to work with window eyes.

Hi Russ:

I don't use it often, but I used it yesterday to back up my iphone
and, after a little playing around, I was able to do it successfully.
Kevin Huber


On 4/4/17, Russ Kiehne via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
I would be interested in knowing, how many people are using itunes 12.6 
with


windows 10 and window-eyes?

-Original Message-
From: CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 2:34 AM
To: 'Dave' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: itunes really needs fixing to work with window eyes.

I frequently purchase songs via Itunes using my phone, which allows me to
hear a section before purchasing. I rarely have any problems.

I don't use the Itunes website on my pc but do keep all my music in Itunes
which then enables me to share the song I've purchased with my Iphone but
also on other devices.



Alison





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Re: makeing the switch

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The big test will be when windows 10 Creators update is released.  Will 
window-eyes work with it?


-Original Message- 
From: Loy via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 5:16 AM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: makeing the switch

WE is not dead yet. It still works great for me  and they still respond to a 
support question, although this is not as good as it used to be.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Tony C via Talk

 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 6:04 AM
 Subject: makeing the switch


 Well, I guess I’ve fought it for as long as I can. I’ve refused for 
several years to consider switching to a Mac, but with the apparent demise 
of Window Eyes, and Jaws sucking as it always has, I’m going to be making 
the switch. I’ve been a loyal WE user since 2004, but it seems that it’s 
time to teach an old dog new tricks. lol. I can take my I phone or my I pad 
mini and have no problem using programs like Netflix, Slink, and other 
websites using Voice Over, that WE and Jaws say hey can’t because the sites 
aren’t accessible. I think I’ll keep one of my Windows PC’s with WE on it 
just so I can look back and think of all the money I spent just to be left 
with my thumb up my nose. When I think of the money I’ve spent maintaining a 
screen reader, and now the built in screen reader with the IOS works great 
with all those websites that were called by tech support for Jaws and window 
eyes “inaccessible”.. I know I may catch some flack for this, but it’s the 
truth none the less.I guess VFO thinks they’ve cornered the market on Screen 
readers, but I refuse to do business with them, because of who they are and 
who they are connected with. I started out with Windows 95 and JFW back in 
1995, and I used Jaws up untill 2004 when a friend of mine and myself 
started building a web site, he was a WE user and I a Jaws user. I couldn’t 
do some of the thing with jaws and Freedom Scientific’s tech support told me 
it was because the page builder I was usin was “inaccessible”, but my buddy 
with Window eyes could do it. I started using WE to work on the website and 
as I got used to it I began using is more and more for other things. I found 
that WE worked “out of the box” with more programs than Jaws did. So, in 
2004 I became a Window eyes user. now I’m sad to say that the same type of 
thing has happened, except this time is between Window eyes Windows and 
Voice Over and Mac. I will be buying my first Mac in a couple of months and 
telling WE and Windows goodby.

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Re: itunes really needs fixing to work with window eyes.

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I would be interested in knowing, how many people are using itunes 12.6 with 
windows 10 and window-eyes?


-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 2:34 AM
To: 'Dave' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: itunes really needs fixing to work with window eyes.

I frequently purchase songs via Itunes using my phone, which allows me to
hear a section before purchasing. I rarely have any problems.

I don't use the Itunes website on my pc but do keep all my music in Itunes
which then enables me to share the song I've purchased with my Iphone but
also on other devices.



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Re: itunes really needs fixing to work with window eyes.

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

How is it with using itunes file sharing?

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 6:01 PM
To: groov...@juno.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: itunes really needs fixing to work with window eyes.

12.60 is my latest version on windows 7 and so far it has never crashed.
and since i found out about the shortcut keys it has been alot easier to 
use.

try control 1 through control 8 to get to the different stores.


-Original Message- 
From: Sue J. Ward via Talk

Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 5:44 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: itunes really needs fixing to work with window eyes.

 Hello. has anyone including the AI Squared staff really looked at the
latest version of iTunes lately? I did try the latest version and it
freezes up window eyes. I don't know why. I think in the program files
there are a lot more stuff including stuff about java so someone should
really look at this. I know the app has not been updated in a while. For
now am on an old version 12.5.5. The next version up 12.6.100 could use
fixing or at least if someone could take a look at it on their machine.
I am on a windows7 machine. I don't get it why in version 12.5.5 it
works great with no problems but in 12.6.100 it freezes and locks up my
computer. I even emailed Apple accessibility to let them know what I am
experiencing and we are talking back and forth, but so far nothing that
will resolve anything. I hope the next update will fix those issues.


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Re: Amazon link?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Have you tried
http://www.kindle.com

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 2:59 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Amazon link?

I don't know what amaazon did, but I can't order books either, even
using explorer in seven.  Firefox doesn't work either.  I haven't found
a way to use amazon.smiles for books.  I go to www.amazon.com/access and
in the search box put name of book and the word kindle which generally
gets me where I want to go.
If anyone has figured out an answer to thisk, please advise.
73
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WA0VJR
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Wallace, ks.


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I used to use the m.amazon.com  but when I go to the main Amazon site, 
sometimes I hear Window Eyes say to click here to go the accessible site, 
which is different.  Then again, I can't seem to find this link when I 
want it, so I end up back to the m.amazon.com URL, which does not allow me 
to buy Kindle books.  Can someone please clarify the best URLs to use? 
Also, if I want to use Amazon Smiles, can I do so with the accessible 
version of Amazon after going to smile.amazon.com?  So confused.




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What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Notice in this two part podcast, nothing is said about window-eyes.  Also 
notice what is said about the soon to be windows 10 creators update.
Part 1 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more
http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU032417.mp3?dest-id=68811
Part 2 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more
http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU033117.mp3?dest-id=68811
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Re: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I agree!  If they offer the $75.00 at this years convention, I'll call them 
on the phone and see if I can talk them into selling it to me at the 
convention price.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long

Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 8:52 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

They should give the $75 deal the entire week of convention if your there or
not.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 8:58 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

I'm retired and don't have the funds to buy JAWS.

-Original Message-
From: Vaughan Dodd
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:32 PM
To: 'Russ Kiehne'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

A number of us prioritise and make personal budgets.

A number of people go to their agencies.

Although not true in my case: I do know of employers who have provided site
licenses.

If the tools don't allow a person to do his/her job, then there is no job
for that person and no money anyway.


Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Russ Kiehne [mailto:russ94...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2017 2:09 a.m.
To: Rod Hutton; Vaughan Dodd; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

A number of us don't have the money to buy JAWS!

-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 2:16 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

Hi Vaughan,

I sincerely hope that Jaws really works for you.
You have to go with what works. (smile)

Good luck,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf

Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 4:38 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

Greetings everyone.

Over the weekend, I switched to JFW, and it has come as something of a shock

to realise that Window-eyes is no longer the preferred screen reader.

Yesterday it came off my workstation at work.

JFW meets more of my work requirements than does Window-Eyes.  The braille
support with the Focus line of displays is far better than the support I
could get from Window-eyes.

JFW's extensive help and other training material is for me quite daunting,
but I'll get used to it.

Web browsing at close to JFW default settings gives more information
regarding elements and content.

Outlook is keeping track of open messages more reliably.



Yesterday at work: Window-Eyes crashed four times in three hours.  To be
more accurate: other apps interacting with Window-Eyes crashed, and Outlook
was one of the prime culprits.
The corporate network gets grumpy with respect to some of the Window-eyes
apps.  I am sure that it probably also does with JFW's scripts.


So: it is sad to see an old friend go, but when the tools of the trade no
longer do what is required, hard decisions have to be made with respect to
those tools.

Vaughan.



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Re: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   Last year you could buy JAWS at the conventions for $75.00.  I would 
buy it for that price if they would let you buy it without being at the 
convention.


-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames

Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 4:36 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

Presumably, WE still works, so why do you have to buy Jaws?

On 3/28/2017 9:09 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

A number of us don't have the money to buy JAWS!

-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 2:16 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

Hi Vaughan,

I sincerely hope that Jaws really works for you.
You have to go with what works. (smile)

Good luck,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 4:38 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

Greetings everyone.

Over the weekend, I switched to JFW, and it has come as something of a
shock to realise that Window-eyes is no longer the preferred screen 
reader.


Yesterday it came off my workstation at work.

JFW meets more of my work requirements than does Window-Eyes.  The
braille support with the Focus line of displays is far better than the
support I could get from Window-eyes.

JFW's extensive help and other training material is for me quite
daunting, but I'll get used to it.

Web browsing at close to JFW default settings gives more information
regarding elements and content.

Outlook is keeping track of open messages more reliably.



Yesterday at work: Window-Eyes crashed four times in three hours.  To be
more accurate: other apps interacting with Window-Eyes crashed, and
Outlook was one of the prime culprits.
The corporate network gets grumpy with respect to some of the
Window-eyes apps.  I am sure that it probably also does with JFW's 
scripts.



So: it is sad to see an old friend go, but when the tools of the trade
no longer do what is required, hard decisions have to be made with
respect to those tools.

Vaughan.



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Re: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I'm retired and don't have the funds to buy JAWS.

-Original Message- 
From: Vaughan Dodd

Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:32 PM
To: 'Russ Kiehne'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

A number of us prioritise and make personal budgets.

A number of people go to their agencies.

Although not true in my case: I do know of employers who have provided site 
licenses.


If the tools don't allow a person to do his/her job, then there is no job 
for that person and no money anyway.



Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Russ Kiehne [mailto:russ94...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2017 2:09 a.m.
To: Rod Hutton; Vaughan Dodd; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

A number of us don't have the money to buy JAWS!

-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 2:16 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

Hi Vaughan,

I sincerely hope that Jaws really works for you.
You have to go with what works. (smile)

Good luck,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk

Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 4:38 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

Greetings everyone.

Over the weekend, I switched to JFW, and it has come as something of a shock 
to realise that Window-eyes is no longer the preferred screen reader.


Yesterday it came off my workstation at work.

JFW meets more of my work requirements than does Window-Eyes.  The braille 
support with the Focus line of displays is far better than the support I 
could get from Window-eyes.


JFW's extensive help and other training material is for me quite daunting, 
but I'll get used to it.


Web browsing at close to JFW default settings gives more information 
regarding elements and content.


Outlook is keeping track of open messages more reliably.



Yesterday at work: Window-Eyes crashed four times in three hours.  To be 
more accurate: other apps interacting with Window-Eyes crashed, and Outlook 
was one of the prime culprits.
The corporate network gets grumpy with respect to some of the Window-eyes 
apps.  I am sure that it probably also does with JFW's scripts.



So: it is sad to see an old friend go, but when the tools of the trade no 
longer do what is required, hard decisions have to be made with respect to 
those tools.


Vaughan.



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Re: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

A number of us don't have the money to buy JAWS!

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 2:16 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

Hi Vaughan,

I sincerely hope that Jaws really works for you.
You have to go with what works. (smile)

Good luck,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk

Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 4:38 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer

Greetings everyone.

Over the weekend, I switched to JFW, and it has come as something of a shock 
to realise that Window-eyes is no longer the preferred screen reader.


Yesterday it came off my workstation at work.

JFW meets more of my work requirements than does Window-Eyes.  The braille 
support with the Focus line of displays is far better than the support I 
could get from Window-eyes.


JFW's extensive help and other training material is for me quite daunting, 
but I'll get used to it.


Web browsing at close to JFW default settings gives more information 
regarding elements and content.


Outlook is keeping track of open messages more reliably.



Yesterday at work: Window-Eyes crashed four times in three hours.  To be 
more accurate: other apps interacting with Window-Eyes crashed, and Outlook 
was one of the prime culprits.
The corporate network gets grumpy with respect to some of the Window-eyes 
apps.  I am sure that it probably also does with JFW's scripts.



So: it is sad to see an old friend go, but when the tools of the trade no 
longer do what is required, hard decisions have to be made with respect to 
those tools.


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Re: latest iTunes and Window-eyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   I would like to know the same thing?

-Original Message- 
From: Brenda via Talk

Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 1:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: latest iTunes and Window-eyes

Hi List,


the other day I read a couple posts aboutissues with the latest iTunes
12.6 I believe.  so, I didn't download it when prompted. Are people
having trouble with this latest iTunes and W-E?


Thanks,

Brenda

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Re: future development of window-

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

ON the Blind Hans list there is a member who works for the VFO Group.

From: Loy 
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 7:50 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: future development of window-

Where did you find this information.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
  To: Dennis Long ; 'Dave Basden' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 9:45 AM
  Subject: Re: future development of window-

  Eric Damery from the VFO group will be reporting the future of 
  Window-Eyes in the second quarter of this year.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Dennis Long via Talk
  Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 1:37 AM
  To: 'Dave Basden' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: RE: future development of window-

  What proof do we have about this other then people guessing?

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
  On Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk
  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:52 PM
  To: p.wildcat1...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: future development of window-

  It will supposedly be sometime in the second quarter, which means sometime
  between April and June.

  At 02:18 PM 3/25/2017, you wrote:
  >Hi when will VFO make a statement about the future of window-eyes?
  >Kenny Peyatt
  >
  >Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Re: Eset Antivirus, Version 10

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

What about with NVDA?

-Original Message- 
From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 2:10 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Eset Antivirus, Version 10

Hi,

It does work a lot better with JAWS now Version 10 that is.  I don't think
Eset have paid any attention to other screen readers than JAWS.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: 26 March 2017 14:47
To: net bat <net...@comcast.net>; drlineber...@embarqmail.com; Window-Eyes
Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Eset Antivirus, Version 10

I'm still running version 8.  I keep getting a message from nod32 to upgrade
to the current version.  The message seems to indicate better protection
with the current version.

-Original Message-
From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 4:31 PM
To: drlineber...@embarqmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Eset Antivirus, Version 10

eset has allready told me version 10 is not compatable with window eyes. but
there message was in jan 2017.
there is several places in the program where you have to use the mouse to
read the screens and the mouse to click on some of the control buttons.
so i will still wait for more accessibility reviews.

-Original Message-
From: Rebecca Lineberger via Talk
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 3:02 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Eset Antivirus, Version 10

Until today, I was using Eset Antivirus version 8, since there were problems
with accessibility for the later versions, or so I'd understood.  But today
I upgraded to version 10, and it works beautifully with Window-Eyes.

I'd been waiting for one of the tech geeks on the list to test it out for
me, and post a reassuring message.  Smile.  If someone did, I missed it.  So
here is that reassuring message for anyone else who missed it too and who
has been waiting.

Rumming Windows 10, Window-Eyes version 9.5.4.

Rebecca

Experience is not what happens to you; it's what you do with what happens to
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Re: future development of window-

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   Eric Damery from the VFO group will be reporting the future of 
Window-Eyes in the second quarter of this year.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 1:37 AM
To: 'Dave Basden' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: future development of window-

What proof do we have about this other then people guessing?

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:52 PM
To: p.wildcat1...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: future development of window-

It will supposedly be sometime in the second quarter, which means sometime
between April and June.

At 02:18 PM 3/25/2017, you wrote:

Hi when will VFO make a statement about the future of window-eyes?
Kenny Peyatt

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Re: Eset Antivirus, Version 10

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I'm still running version 8.  I keep getting a message from nod32 to upgrade 
to the current version.  The message seems to indicate better protection 
with the current version.


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 4:31 PM
To: drlineber...@embarqmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Eset Antivirus, Version 10

eset has allready told me version 10 is not compatable with window eyes. but
there message was in jan 2017.
there is several places in the program where you have to use the mouse to 
read

the screens and the mouse to click on some of the control buttons.
so i will still wait for more accessibility reviews.

-Original Message- 
From: Rebecca Lineberger via Talk

Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 3:02 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Eset Antivirus, Version 10

Until today, I was using Eset Antivirus version 8, since there were problems
with accessibility for the later versions, or so I'd understood.  But today
I upgraded to version 10, and it works beautifully with Window-Eyes.

I'd been waiting for one of the tech geeks on the list to test it out for
me, and post a reassuring message.  Smile.  If someone did, I missed it.  So
here is that reassuring message for anyone else who missed it too and who
has been waiting.

Rumming Windows 10, Window-Eyes version 9.5.4.

Rebecca

Experience is not what happens to you; it's what you do with what happens to
you.

Aldous Huxley



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Future of Window-Eyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I just saw the following posted on another list:

Hi All,   
I just confirmed with Eric that VFO will be making a statement about the future 
of Window Eyes in q2, i.e. soon, and Window Eyes users should be happy. 
That’s all I know right now. 
 
Joe 
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Future development of Window-Eyes CSUN coverage podcast

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

In this CSUN coverage podcast, A statement is made there will be no future 
development of Window-eyes.  Can anyone confirm this?
http://accessibleworld.org/sites/default/files/tt-3-20-17-john-and-larry-gassman-discuss-csun-conference-2017.mp3
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Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

There is another screen reader called System Access by Serotek.  I wonder if 
they will be the next one to be aquired by VFO?


-Original Message- 
From: Steve Nutt via Talk

Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 12:36 PM
To: 'Loy' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account

Hi,

I hope not.  It's not a bad screen reader.  Not as good as WE, but not bad.

All the best

steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: 17 March 2017 14:57
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

The only other screen reader I know of is Dolphin and who knows it may be
next on VFO's list of Acquisitions

.
 - Original Message -
 From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
 To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 10:51 AM
 Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account


 I remember when this all went down, I referred to VFO as a monopoly, and
was
 smartly chastized for it.  I don't know why.  To me, it seems like it has
 taken over everything.  Isn't that a monopoly?  Pam.

 -Original Message-
 From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:34 PM
 To: 'Tony C' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account

 Tony, I could not agree more!  It seems to me that blind folks are pretty
 happy being ripped off.  Petitions fall on deaf ears, elements of
deceitful
 dishonesty beat down like hurricanes and tornados, and stun guns are
always
 at the ready to fire and knock the blind out!

 If the goings-on had happened in the mainstream, antitrust law would have
 been cited and everything would have gone under quietly.  With impunity
and
 flagrant disregard, the blind continue to borrow the phrase from Animal
 Farm:  "Four legs good, two legs bad!"  Milk on Freedom Scientific, V F O
 Group, AI Square, ...  Did I miss any?

 Hmm, anyone knows what's holding the U.S. Treasury back from complying
with
 the court order by making the dollar bill more accessible?  The junk
 noteteller they choose to hand me is utterly worthless and useless
 especially in a business environment where I have more prying eyes
watching.

 Sincerely,
 Olusegun
 Denver, Colorado


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Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Don't be surprised if the VFO group tries to acquire Sarotec?

-Original Message- 
From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk

Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 1:14 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

Pam: VFO is very close to a monopoly.  Not quite, as there are other
players but certainly close.


The point is that it may have become so dominant that it prevents other
players from growing their market share or even entering the market.


The opinion that someone has offered whereby perhaps VFO will acquire
Dolphin is interesting and speculatively possible.


Vaughan.




On 3/18/2017 3:51 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
I remember when this all went down, I referred to VFO as a monopoly, and 
was smartly chastized for it.  I don't know why.  To me, it seems like it 
has taken over everything.  Isn't that a monopoly?  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. 
via Talk

Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:34 PM
To: 'Tony C' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account

Tony, I could not agree more!  It seems to me that blind folks are pretty
happy being ripped off.  Petitions fall on deaf ears, elements of 
deceitful
dishonesty beat down like hurricanes and tornados, and stun guns are 
always

at the ready to fire and knock the blind out!

If the goings-on had happened in the mainstream, antitrust law would have
been cited and everything would have gone under quietly.  With impunity 
and

flagrant disregard, the blind continue to borrow the phrase from Animal
Farm:  "Four legs good, two legs bad!"  Milk on Freedom Scientific, V F O
Group, AI Square, ...  Did I miss any?

Hmm, anyone knows what's holding the U.S. Treasury back from complying 
with

the court order by making the dollar bill more accessible?  The junk
noteteller they choose to hand me is utterly worthless and useless
especially in a business environment where I have more prying eyes 
watching.


Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Many blind people can't afford the high price for braille displays and 
notetakers.


-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames

Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 10:33 AM
To: Terri Pannett ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

Remember, most blind persons don't use Braille.

On 3/17/2017 12:41 PM, Terri Pannett via Talk wrote:

Again, braille is not supported the way it should be.  20 cells is just
not enough, especially if you want to use braille exclusively and turn
off speech.  I would never buy an Orbit for that reason.


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Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Look at it this way, buying a APH Orbet Reader 20 display and a ios or 
android device will save you a lot of money over buying a Notetaker.  Many 
blind people can't afford $5000 for a Notetaker!


-Original Message- 
From: Terri Pannett

Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 9:38 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account


From what people have posted on various lists that I belong to, I

understand that using braille on an Apple device would be a challenge.
This is because everything is translated into grade 2 instantly so if
you don't write fast enough, your text will be garbled. People who
prefer braille will still have to use either a braille notetaker or a
braille display to read and write braille with an Apple device.

I not only object to touch screens, I also object to using complicated
Apple and Android devices.

If you like your I device, that's fine, but don't force me to buy one.



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Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

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The APH Orbit Reader 20 will allow you to add a braille display to a smart 
phone, tablet or ipod touch.


-Original Message- 
From: Terri Pannett via Talk

Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 9:22 AM
To: Marcie Chaney ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

I don't think you said anything about braille.  Braille has always been
important to me, and I wonder if the mainstream phones and computers
would support it if the braille notetakers/displays were no longer
around.  Only blind people who read and write braille exclusively can
understand this.



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Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Think about this?

You can get a iphone and APH — Orbit Reader 20 for a lot less money than a 
Notetaker?


-Original Message- 
From: Vaughan Dodd

Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 2:44 PM
To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account

I'm similar: IPhone is the device of choice.  Might actually get an Ipad. 
Add a braille display, which isn't carried if not needed, and for personal 
use - mainstream devices offer so much promise.  Not so for me at work 
though.


Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Friday, 17 March 2017 3:09 a.m.
To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Dennis Long
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

In my case, my ipad mini 4 has taken the place of my victor reader stream 
first generation, Booksense standard and plextalk pocket.  It has more 
volume, better battery life and better sound.  It does everything they do 
and a lot more.


-Original Message-
From: Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account

You know, this gets me thinking esp. With the conversations I've had in the 
past week. We're getting what we wanted for years. We can go into a 
electronics store and buy a iphone, a android phone, a mac, a chromebook and 
soon windows computers  with accessibility out of the box. You don't have to 
spend extra money unless you want to.  While what is happening with zt 
fusion, something I spent my own money to buy makes me mad. I'm seriously 
considering just going fully with mainstream products. I find myself using 
my android devices more and pulling out my laptop less.



"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised 
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho


Reeva

On Mar 16, 2017 1:18 AM, "Dennis Long via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

I agree with you completely!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:12 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

Problem is you i phone users think everyone can use one and can use a touch 
screen.  They are not for everyone.  I think blind folks fall into that 
worse than any group.  if it works for me, it is great for everyone

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:


I really think that in the very near future "adaptive" technology will
become a thing of the past. We aren't there yet, but more and more
things are becoming voice activated, and voice commanded. The market
for such special items as Window-eyes and Jaws is waining. Heck, the I
phone out of the box gives the blind user access to GPS, internet
searches, txt messageing, etc, without the need of an expensive piece
of software that at best in moderately useable. It's just a matter of

time.


-Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:05 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Failure to hold VFO to account

Greetings all.

I've just flicked through the latest edition of Access World from AFB.
We are promised CSUN updates in April.

In the 21st  Century, and with our accessible technology industry
going through significant change, not to mention the demise of the
pony express, the failure of someone to get down and dirty with VFO
leadership suggests to me that we are being let down by credible

information sources.


Quite reasonably, AFB promotes its sponsorship of the Blind Bargain
blogs concerning CSUN events and exhibits, but these don't cut it iehter.

One of the disappointing things about services like Apple Vis is that
although often people exchange useful information, the leadership
fails to critique the shortcomings of Apple with respect to its
developments in the specialty area of access.  The same seems true on
the Windows side of the divide - with no one prepared to critique
VFO's

behaviours.


Vaughan.


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Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I was one of lthose who thought I would never want a touch screen device.  I 
started llistening to a podcast about the ipod touch.  The more I listened, 
I said to myself, I want one.  I was amazed with what Apple  did with 
accessibility on a touch screen device.  So in 2010, I bought a ipod touch 
4th generation and Haven't looked back.  I like the fact I can buy a off the 
shelf device and do everything I would do with a specialized player and a 
whole lot ;more.


-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen

Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:11 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Reeva Webb ; Dennis Long
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

I understand that.  And that is great, for you.  I just can't deal with
touch screens.  Give me buttons to push.  As I said in an earlier note,
the same solution isn't for everyone.  You guys and your i whatevers
think they solve the world's access problems.  Perhaps for some they do.
 I can't figure out how to run my IPod.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2017, Russ Kiehne
via Talk wrote:

In my case, my ipad mini 4 has taken the place of my victor reader stream 
first generation, Booksense standard and plextalk pocket.  It has more 
volume, better battery life and better sound.  It does everything they do 
and a lot more.


-Original Message- From: Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account

You know, this gets me thinking esp. With the conversations I've had in 
the

past week. We're getting what we wanted for years. We can go into a
electronics store and buy a iphone, a android phone, a mac, a chromebook
and soon windows computers  with accessibility out of the box. You don't
have to spend extra money unless you want to.  While what is happening 
with

zt fusion, something I spent my own money to buy makes me mad. I'm
seriously considering just going fully with mainstream products. I find
myself using my android devices more and pulling out my laptop less.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Mar 16, 2017 1:18 AM, "Dennis Long via Talk" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

wrote:

I agree with you completely!

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:12 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

Problem is you i phone users think everyone can use one and can use a 
touch

screen.  They are not for everyone.  I think blind folks fall into that
worse than any group.  if it works for me, it is great for everyone
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:


 I really think that in the very near future "adaptive" technology will
 become a thing of the past. We aren't there yet, but more and more
 things are becoming voice activated, and voice commanded. The market
 for such special items as Window-eyes and Jaws is waining. Heck, the I
 phone out of the box gives the blind user access to GPS, internet
 searches, txt messageing, etc, without the need of an expensive piece
 of software that at best in moderately useable. It's just a matter of

time.


 -Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:05 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: Failure to hold VFO to account

 Greetings all.

 I've just flicked through the latest edition of Access World from AFB.
 We are promised CSUN updates in April.

 In the 21st  Century, and with our accessible technology industry
 going through significant change, not to mention the demise of the
 pony express, the failure of someone to get down and dirty with VFO
 leadership suggests to me that we are being let down by credible

information sources.


 Quite reasonably, AFB promotes its sponsorship of the Blind Bargain
 blogs concerning CSUN events and exhibits, but these don't cut it 
iehter.


 One of the disappointing things about services like Apple Vis is that
 although often people exchange useful information, the leadership
 fails to critique the shortcomings of Apple with respect to its
 developments in the specialty area of access.  The same seems true on
 the Windows side of the divide - with no one prepared to critique VFO's

behaviours.


 Vaughan.

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Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

In my case, my ipad mini 4 has taken the place of my victor reader stream 
first generation, Booksense standard and plextalk pocket.  It has more 
volume, better battery life and better sound.  It does everything they do 
and a lot more.


-Original Message- 
From: Reeva Webb via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account

You know, this gets me thinking esp. With the conversations I've had in the
past week. We're getting what we wanted for years. We can go into a
electronics store and buy a iphone, a android phone, a mac, a chromebook
and soon windows computers  with accessibility out of the box. You don't
have to spend extra money unless you want to.  While what is happening with
zt fusion, something I spent my own money to buy makes me mad. I'm
seriously considering just going fully with mainstream products. I find
myself using my android devices more and pulling out my laptop less.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Mar 16, 2017 1:18 AM, "Dennis Long via Talk" 
wrote:

I agree with you completely!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:12 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

Problem is you i phone users think everyone can use one and can use a touch
screen.  They are not for everyone.  I think blind folks fall into that
worse than any group.  if it works for me, it is great for everyone
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:


I really think that in the very near future "adaptive" technology will
become a thing of the past. We aren't there yet, but more and more
things are becoming voice activated, and voice commanded. The market
for such special items as Window-eyes and Jaws is waining. Heck, the I
phone out of the box gives the blind user access to GPS, internet
searches, txt messageing, etc, without the need of an expensive piece
of software that at best in moderately useable. It's just a matter of

time.


-Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:05 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Failure to hold VFO to account

Greetings all.

I've just flicked through the latest edition of Access World from AFB.
We are promised CSUN updates in April.

In the 21st  Century, and with our accessible technology industry
going through significant change, not to mention the demise of the
pony express, the failure of someone to get down and dirty with VFO
leadership suggests to me that we are being let down by credible

information sources.


Quite reasonably, AFB promotes its sponsorship of the Blind Bargain
blogs concerning CSUN events and exhibits, but these don't cut it iehter.

One of the disappointing things about services like Apple Vis is that
although often people exchange useful information, the leadership
fails to critique the shortcomings of Apple with respect to its
developments in the specialty area of access.  The same seems true on
the Windows side of the divide - with no one prepared to critique VFO's

behaviours.


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Re: #CSUNATC17 Audio: Amazon Rekindles the Fire with Expanded VoiceView

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Here's what we don't know.  Will the VFO group continue support for 
window-eyes?  If not, we will be out of luck.


-Original Message- 
From: Lynn White

Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:29 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: #CSUNATC17 Audio: Amazon Rekindles the Fire with Expanded 
VoiceView


Be careful about this particular observation.  It's not available to
Jaws customers at this point.


While you eventually may be right, it's premature to say that
Window-Eyes customers are definitely SOL.


On 3/15/2017 8:29 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
After listening to the following podcast, it looks like window-eyes users 
are out of luck using the latest Kindle for pc program for windows.


Shelly Brisbin
Monday, 13-Mar-2017 6:22 PM ET

Amazon continues to expand the availability of their VoiceView screen 
reader

for mobile devices while also embarking on a variety of accessibility
initiatives. Shelly is joined by Peter Korn, Accessibility Architect for
Amazon and Jamie Teh, Executive Director for NVAccess for an interview 
which
features two live demos: reading kindle books with NVDA and accessing 
content
with VoiceView for Amazon's Fire TV. Other initiatives from Amazon are 
also discussed in this podcast.


http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/www.blindbargains.com/audio/170301_amazon.mp3
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Re: Just curious

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I sstill would like to know from the VFO group, what the future is for 
Window-Eyes?


-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:47 PM
To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Just curious

Yeah, I'm aware of that.  I myself have the Insider Preview Build 15042,
which I imagine is close, and, am having no serious issues.

Thanks!



-Original Message-
From: Sky Mundell [mailto:s...@shaw.ca]
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 7:46 PM
To: 'Joseph Norton' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Just curious

Hello Joseph.  They're actually testing Window-Eyes out now for windows ten
creaters update, according to a list member who wrote to Doug.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:40 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Just curious

Hi listers:



I pretty much think like the rest of you, but, I am curious if you have
heard if anyone at CSUN directly asked the folks at the VFO booth about
Window-Eyes' future.



I know the next release of Fusion incorporates JAWS; that is clear enough.
But, I have not heard a word on the few podcasts I listened to.



I bet all this is making Doug sick.  This is something he put a good portion
of his life into



Doug has written some other great programs before, also.  I didn't use
Vocal-Eyes, but, I used the heck out of Term-Talk.  That was back in my
Apple II days.  I even tried his competitor modem program, but, found it had
a couple weird glitches with file downloading.  So, Term-Talk was my main
comm program back then.

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Re: CSUN

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I've been listening to the CSUN podcasts from Blind bargains.

-Original Message- 
From: Peter Duran via Talk

Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 2:45 PM
To: 'Kevin Huber' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: CSUN

Hello all,

Take a look at AccessWorld monthly magazine published by the AFB.  This free
online magazine will most assuredly have all the details about the new
products at CSUN.

You can, for instance, just type into the Google search box Accessworld
March 2017 to find that month's issue.  The AFB personnel do a good job on
reviewing new products, and the News column can keep you up-to-date on
stuff.

Peter Duran


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 1:07 PM
To: David; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: CSUN

Hi Dave and bob:

I am glad that I am not the only one that feels that way about their
podcasts.  However, I like the interviews that they do with from
CSUN.  I get as much information as if I was right there, in fact
more, because I do not have to spend a lot of my day trying to find
the booth that I want to get to.
Kevin Huber


On 2/27/17, David via Talk  wrote:

I see a lot of talking about the upcoming CSun this year. I have heard
about a few things introduced there back in earlier years.


I was wondering, if anyone here knows if there is going to be some kind
of a podcast,  or a written article, that in a nutshell would walk those
of us who have no chance of attending, through all the new stuff on the
scene. I really wish there would be anything like that, since it would
help many users to get a touch of what is to be expected for upcoming
technology in the next few months, once all the new stuff hit the market
and reaches a place near you.


At least, if any of the list members would attend, do you mind sending
us a few words about what would be for interesting products on the
Windows front, or anything that could relate to the current situation.
Just please spread rumors. If you do not have all the details, that is
fine. We just want to have a peek under the hood, as to what is new out
there. If you could pick up any links of further info, that might be
just as fine.


If such info usually is posted any other place, would anyone please
point me to where I can get it?


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Re: ZoomText Fusion

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

There is some good news in your message.  Glad to hear that window-eyes is 
being tested with windows 10  creators update.


-Original Message- 
From: Loy via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 2:31 PM
To: kenny Peyatt jr. ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: ZoomText Fusion

The next version will be powered by JAWS says Doug Geoffray. He also told me 
that they are testing WE with the upcoming Creator version of Win10 and 
currently it is working great with it.
 - Original Message - 
 From: kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk

 To: 'Reeva Webb' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 5:21 PM
 Subject: RE: ZoomText Fusion


 If some of you would listen to the blind bargains podcast, what they were
 saying was that zoomtext fussion is only going to have the eloquence 
speech

 sysnthesyzer integrated not jaws for windows.
 Kenny Peyatt jr.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+p.wildcat1234=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 3:15 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; Vaughan Dodd
 Subject: RE: ZoomText Fusion

 Fusion had sma's, i didn't buy one. Thankfully.


 "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
 night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

 Reeva

 On Mar 8, 2017 1:54 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

 wrote:

 > Let's hope Fusion  didn't have a SMA for upgrades programme: taking 
money
 > dishonestly or at least - taking money for a product not to be 
delivered.

 >
 > Vaughan.
 >
 >
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.
 > window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
 > Sent: Thursday, 9 March 2017 3:48 a.m.
 > To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 > Subject: Re: ZoomText Fusion
 >
 > I take it, this means all current users of Zoomtext Fusion using
 > Window-Eyes are out of luck for any future updates?
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Loy via Talk
 > Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 5:38 PM
 > To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 > Subject: Re: ZoomText Fusion
 >
 > Doug from AISquared told me a while back that the next version of Fusion
 > would be powered by JAWS.
 >   - Original Message -
 >   From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
 >   To: 'Singing Sparrow' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 >   Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 8:14 PM
 >   Subject: RE: ZoomText Fusion
 >
 >
 >   Whilst I can't add to this specific topic directly, apart from 
agreeing

 > with comments made so far - I do note the absence to date of news
 regarding
 > Window-Eyes developments.  Fusion was promoted at last year's CSUN by Ai
 > Squared.
 >
 >   I do need to check for new blogs and podcasts, but surely something 
from

 > AI Squared?
 >
 >
 >   Vaughan.
 >
 >
 >
 >   -Original Message-
 >   From: Talk
 > [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

 > Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
 >   Sent: Wednesday, 8 March 2017 2:11 p.m.
 >   To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Russ Kiehne
 >   Subject: Re: ZoomText Fusion
 >
 >   I would like to know this as well; Since window eyes was the one that
 > ordginally was used for the fusion?
 >
 >
 >   On 3/7/2017 8:54 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:
 >   > I refuse to upgrade my zt fusion. They taking away neospeech kate.
 i'm
 >   > trying not to go on swear word filled rant.   Making backup copies 
for

 > sure.
 >   >
 >   >
 >   > "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never
 promised
 >   > night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of
 > Jericho
 >   >
 >   > Reeva
 >   >
 >   > On Mar 7, 2017 8:14 AM, "Russ Kiehne via Talk"
 > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
 >   > wrote:
 >   >
 >   >> I see that a new version of ZoomText Fusion will be released next
 > month.
 >   >> this version which combines ZoomText and JAWS for Windows.  How 
will

 > this
 >   >> effect people using ZoomText Fusion  using Window-Eyes?
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ZoomText Fusion

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I see that a new version of ZoomText Fusion will be released next month.  this 
version which combines ZoomText and JAWS for Windows.  How will this effect 
people using ZoomText Fusion  using Window-Eyes?
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Re: Windows Eyes 9.5.4.0 - Desktop icons not read.

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Do you think it would help to refresh the accessibility library?

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 7:26 AM
To: Support ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Windows Eyes 9.5.4.0 - Desktop icons not read.

Hi,

Also, in Factory Settings, you could re-install the entry named Default 
global settings, and, again, shut down and restart WE.


Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Support via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 9:02 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: RE: Windows Eyes 9.5.4.0 - Desktop icons not read.

Rob
So hoped that I could say it fixed the problem.
What I have done.
I re-installed all the set's that were modified - these included the default 
and explorer set WE set.

I also updated the default set as it was outdated and overwrote (not merge).
Restarted WE, it now reads the WE tree, but still only reads the tooltips 
for the desktop icons.

I am rather frustrated with the situation.

Hi,

In the WE control panel, if you open the File menu and select Factory 
Settings, pressing W will bring you down to Window-Eyes user interface.
If you then tab over to the Install button, you can re-install the default 
set filees so that the Window-Eyes control panel will track properly.
If you notice the set files associated with this option, this should also 
re-install a number of set files, such as the global settings which are 
contained in wineyes.set.
I believe you'll need to confirm overwriting the settings in order to 
proceed.
In order to reload the settings properly, you'll need to shut down WE and 
then restart it.
If this works on one PC, then you'll have to do the grunt work and repeat 
the process for all your affected computers.

Sorry, there's no easy way. (smile)

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Support via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 6:27 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: RE: Windows Eyes 9.5.4.0 - Desktop icons not read.

Hi Rod
Thanks for the reply.
Explorer.set is the active set.
Something that I have noticed now - not using the mouse but the keyboard to 
navigate the WE tree is that it also does not read the tree entries.

Using the mouse it does read the entries.
Thanks for the assist.

Hi,
If you focus the desktop, and then call up the WE control panel using 
Control-backslash, is explorer.set the active set file?

If not, then we can proceed to associate this set file with the desktop.
hth,
Rod


Thanks Nick
That is kind of part of the problem, pressing Windows/d gets me to the 
desktop but then instead of reading the desktop icons WE reads the tooltips 
but not the icons.

If I move the mouse over the icon it works fine.
If I switch off tooltip reading in WE - I get silence.


I don't know if this will help, but I press windows/d when I want to go to 
my desktop.


On 3/1/2017 4:32 AM, Support via Talk wrote:

Hi
I recently ran into the following problem.
On some of my computers in the classroom WE has stopped reading the 
desktop icons.

It does however read the tooltips.
I don't know if this is just a setting that some of the students have 
managed to change or a bug related to a display driver or something else.
All the computers in the classroom are the same, and it is only happening 
on some of them so I suspect a setting change or hotkey.

Hope you can assist.
Thanks
Support for South African National council for the blind.
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Re: CSUN

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I thought Seroteck stopped doing podcasts?

-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,Inc. via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:23 PM
To: 'David' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: CSUN

Well, David, between Blind Bargains, System Access's podcasts, and ACB
Radio, there will be a plethora of discussions about what transpired at
CSUN.  All of these will be online, Google can and will fish them out in no
time.

There's possibly a secret agent that will present for CSUN spying on
Window-Eyes continued existence or demise.  In any case, give it all a few
days, may be several weeks, you know, for editing and such.  'cause there
will be a need to edit out what you and I shouldn't be hearing!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Window Eyes and the List are Dead?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The reason I ask, you probably didn't hear about the latest release of Nvda 
and the Kindle for Pc program.  From the nvda notes:
Support for reading and navigating books in Kindle for PC version 1.19, 
including access to links, footnotes, graphics, highlighted text and user 
notes. Please see the Kindle for PC section of the NVDA User Guide for 
further information.


-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell

Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 9:29 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne'
Subject: RE: Window Eyes and the List are Dead?

No

-Original Message-
From: Russ Kiehne [mailto:russ94...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 6:05 AM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window Eyes and the List are Dead?

   Can Window-Eyes read the Kindle books like NVDA?

-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 10:05 AM
To: bjn...@windstream.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window Eyes and the List are Dead?

Yeah they could indeed.  I am using NVDA right now and one of the new
features that it has is the abillity to read Kindle books with browse mode.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 10:02 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window Eyes and the List are Dead?

Would it be possible for someone to transfer this list to another host
should VFO decide to discontinue it here?


I suspect window-eyes will work for a while, and it would be nice to
have a place to ask questions, especially with the current state of
phone tech support  from VFO (with folks that had to learn W-e only
recently for the take-over).


NVDA just had an update, and the list is very active.  There appears to
be a tech person from NVDA who is very good at answering questions along
with a bunch of helpful users.  You have to pay to talk to a human from
NVDA, but since the list is very responsive that doesn't appear to be as
big an issue as I thought it would be.  Still clinging to Window-eyes,
but good to know.


I'm wondering what will become of our SMAs and if vfo will transfer the
many, many Window-eyes users to jowls.


Remember word Perfect?  I owned the program, but when I switched to
windows, I didn't spend the money for an upgrade.  Maybe that is what
will happen with window-eyes.


This is all very depressing, and the lack of any info from vfo makes it
worse.  they could at least communicate with us.

Brenda




.




On 2/24/2017 10:56 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Well, for what it is worth, the future of Window eyes does look on the
Bleak side.   So the actual Death of Window Eyes could be a Real Deal
happening.  So far, everyone has had a hopeful wait and see attitude.
And while I have my doubts, I too am hoping for the Best, but I am
preparing for the worst.

In some Circles, this is recognized as Wisdom.

As for this list being Dead.  It too might come to an end, but the fact
that everyone here are still able to post, means this list is still
alive and active.  So the list is not yet Dead.


But here too, I am hopeful it will continue, but again, I must look for
other Tech oreinted Mailing Lists that provide Suport for userws of
Computers, who happen to be Blind.

Anyone know of other Tech lists that are set up for the Blind Computer
user?

Grumpy Dave







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Re: Window Eyes and the List are Dead?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   Can Window-Eyes read the Kindle books like NVDA?

-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 10:05 AM
To: bjn...@windstream.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window Eyes and the List are Dead?

Yeah they could indeed.  I am using NVDA right now and one of the new
features that it has is the abillity to read Kindle books with browse mode.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 10:02 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window Eyes and the List are Dead?

Would it be possible for someone to transfer this list to another host
should VFO decide to discontinue it here?


I suspect window-eyes will work for a while, and it would be nice to
have a place to ask questions, especially with the current state of
phone tech support  from VFO (with folks that had to learn W-e only
recently for the take-over).


NVDA just had an update, and the list is very active.  There appears to
be a tech person from NVDA who is very good at answering questions along
with a bunch of helpful users.  You have to pay to talk to a human from
NVDA, but since the list is very responsive that doesn't appear to be as
big an issue as I thought it would be.  Still clinging to Window-eyes,
but good to know.


I'm wondering what will become of our SMAs and if vfo will transfer the
many, many Window-eyes users to jowls.


Remember word Perfect?  I owned the program, but when I switched to
windows, I didn't spend the money for an upgrade.  Maybe that is what
will happen with window-eyes.


This is all very depressing, and the lack of any info from vfo makes it
worse.  they could at least communicate with us.

Brenda




.




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Well, for what it is worth, the future of Window eyes does look on the
Bleak side.   So the actual Death of Window Eyes could be a Real Deal
happening.  So far, everyone has had a hopeful wait and see attitude.
And while I have my doubts, I too am hoping for the Best, but I am
preparing for the worst.

In some Circles, this is recognized as Wisdom.

As for this list being Dead.  It too might come to an end, but the fact
that everyone here are still able to post, means this list is still
alive and active.  So the list is not yet Dead.


But here too, I am hopeful it will continue, but again, I must look for
other Tech oreinted Mailing Lists that provide Suport for userws of
Computers, who happen to be Blind.

Anyone know of other Tech lists that are set up for the Blind Computer
user?

Grumpy Dave







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Re: Where are the informed comentators?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I did run across the following podcast.  I haven't listened to it as of yet. 
I hope someone asks the VFO group about the future of window-eyes at CSUN 
next week?


In news from VFO, FSCast Episode #137 features news about Freedom 
Scientific's presence at next week's CSUN conference and lots of talk about 
promised  future developments:

https://www.freedomscientific.com/About/FSCast


-Original Message- 
From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:07 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Where are the informed comentators?

Hi all.

List member comments regarding VFO support once again raise the question
as to the future of Window-Eyes.  For those who do not like this thred -
hit delete "now."

But for me - the burning question for sometime has been the absence of
critical, informed insider comment.  We are in need of an informed
adaptive technology press, which by way of blog posts, interviews with
leaders and knowledgeable opinion expression, shed light on what is
happening in this access technology market place.

I have not seen evidence of anyone running an in-depth interview with
the executives of VFO.  Neither have I seen inciteful comment on VFO's
behaviours in areas such as customer relationships, product research and
development, and the appropriateness of private equity funding of access
technology.

Based solely on the evidence i've gleaned from personal observation and
the comments of fellow list members - VFO has no intention of
rejuvenating Window-eyes.  If the intentions were different, the"other
software" option that people have referred to when talking about
telephone support would say "Window-Eyes.  VFO has not contacted me as a
payed license holder to let me know of new offers and fancy tricks to
have me spend more money.  FS Podcasts are for the purposes of FS - not VFO.

Oh well: time to put on the armour against the flaming I might get.

Vaughan.


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Re: iTunes accessibility

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Apple ssure hasn't done anything to make Itunes file sharing eassy to use. 
Has anyone from AI Squared tried it to see if the Window-Eyes app can be 
updated to make Window-Eyes work with it?


-Original Message- 
From: Doug Geoffray via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 6:19 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: iTunes accessibility

Hello everyone,

Apple has asked me to post the list of accessibility fixes they put into 
iTunes version 12.5.4.  The current version of iTunes is 12.5.5.  Each 
release they typically fix a few accessibility issues.  The list of fixes to 
the 12.5.4 release are:


iTunes 12.5.1 for Windows Fault with column browser
can't interact with each speakers when selected
no longer reads out the name of Airplay speakers
not reading selections from syncing panes
skips Lyrics text area in Up Next and Get Info
Unable to add multiple airplay speakers
Unable to install apps from iTunes > iOS device with iTunes 12.5.1 for 
Windows

Video listed as static box when played in iTunes Window
Get Info hangs when
does not read out star rating control
does not read volume slider (or any slider) changes
Unable to navigate to check/plus button in Airplay popup
calls out the "+" as "button" instead of "Add to Library button" after 
selecting CMA

calls out "Season" section in TV Shows as "Unknown"
found two hidden items in the LCD labeled as "unknown"
should announce "Pause 'album title' button" when selected album is playing
skips over Artist / Album info in LargeArtwork MP
does not read out the label of the movie ratings (G, PG-13, etc) or the 
movie quality (HD)


I realize this list is cryptic but this does show they are working at it. 
If you have Window-Eyes or JAWS issues with iTunes, Apple has asked that you 
write up a very detailed description of the problem and email it to:


mailto:accessibil...@apple.com

The more specific you are to your issues the more likely they will be 
resolved.


Regards,
Doug

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Re: the VFOExpereince

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I hope some one from Blind Bargains will ask someone from the VFO group what 
the future status is of Window-Eyes at CSUN?


-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:04 PM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: the VFOExpereince

Hello,

Yeah, with  no mention ofWindow Eyes on the Menus, unless you choose,
"Other Software", it does make you wonder.At least it does me.

I know, I know, some on here are Susie SunShines when it comes to the
future of Window Eyes. And Honestly, I hope all of youSparkeling
Examples ofRadiant Positivism are so Right and the Doubting Dogthat I am,
will turn out to be so Wrong. I DO Like Window Eyes and I am sorry, that
the Staff has been dismantled and scattered to the four winds.

It is a Shame,because as a Group, they provided very good Service and
Support.  And their Products Vocalize and Window Eyes were often very
very good.

My own VFO experience was not as useful or Helpful as Brenda's.

Mine ended uptaking about 45 minutes, and ending with getting ZeroHelp.

Spoke with one guy who knew nothing about Window Eyes. He said he would
transfer me to someone who did. I was disconnected.

Called back. Went through the Menus,and again, spoke with someone
different, who also knew nothing about Window Eyes. By this time I had
to go myself, and so could not stay around as this person attempted to
transfer me to someone else.

I ended up solving my own problem eventually.

Grumpy Dave


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Kindle for PC accessibility

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I see the following is coming to NVDA.  I wonder if someone can write a app to 
make Window-Eyes do the same thing?

The Next Update to NVDA will Bring Major Access Improvements to Kindle Books 

Scott Davert 
yesterday 12:42 PM ET

Over the years, many blind users have wanted to use Kindle for PC just as 
easily as their sighted counterparts. This is especially true in the field of 
education. Though the 
Kindle for Accessibility Plug-in 
exists, it only permits the user to read text out loud and to configure basic 
speech settings. Last year, James Scholes released his latest tool, 
Codex, 
a conversion tool which permitted both braille and speech access to the Kindle 
library once the book was converted to a more useable format.

With the next release of NVDA, version 2017.1 due out this spring, NV-Access is 
expecting to bring direct access to Kindle books via the Kindle for PC 
application using NVDA. Not only will the user have access to the text, which 
has already been available using the above listed methods, but NV-Access 
reports that the user will have access to links, footnotes, graphics, 
highlighted text and user notes. The ability to have pages turn automatically 
will also be possible. Once the Release Candidate comes out, look for a review 
of this feature on Blind Bargains. 

Source:

NV-Access 
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Re: latest version Nod 32 question

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The question I would ask, does version 8 provide the same protection as 
version 10?


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 10:10 AM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: latest version Nod 32 question

not so.
this is from last week.


Update for Case #8168 - "version 10 accessibility"

An ESET Customer Care Representative has updated this case with the 
following

information:

Hello,

Thank you for contacting ESET North America Customer Care.

At the moment, version 10 of your ESET software is not yet compatible with
Window Eyes.

Thank you for using ESET security products,
ESET Customer Care
North America

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Re: making the change

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I started out with a 4th generation ipod touch.  Later I got a 5th 
generation ipod touch.  A couple years back, I got a great buy on a ipad 
mini.  I like it much better than my ipod touch 5th generation.  It has 
better sound, more volume and better battery life than my ipod touch.  I now 
use it in place of my first generation victor reader stream, booksense 
standard and plextalk pocket.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 2:30 PM
To: grimwoodpi...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: making the change

Hi Robert,

I have an iPod Touch, 6th generation, which is the current version.
It's about the size of a typical iPhone.
It weighs less than an iPhone since it doesn't have cellular telephone 
capability.

Like the iPhone, it has a single, small speaker on the front edge.
iPads are generally much bigger, since there greatest feature for the 
sighted is their larger displays.

Being larger, they come with two speakers, providing stereo sound.
iPads can come with cellular capability, like iPhones, but these are a bit 
more expensive.
These days, All iPhones, iPads and iPods come with Bluetooth connectivity, 
and the ability to connect to wifi networks for internet access.
All of them also run IOS, Apple's mobile operating system, which is very, 
very powerful.
With a machine like these, there is almost nothing you can't do, especially 
if you connect a Bluetooth keyboard.
VoiceOver is the screen reader  which runs on all IOS-based devices, and it 
is very good, allowing you to perform literally all functions of thee 
devices.
A 16GB 6th generation iPod Touch, which, again, is the current version of 
this device, can be purchased for $299 here in Canada, and you can buy a 
128GB model if you like.
With a Bluetooth braille display, you can even type and read in braille with 
IOS devices.
What more can I say except that I respect these little babies very much, and 
everyone should have one. (smile)


Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Robert Grimwood via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 5:11 PM
To: Kim Lingo ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: Re: making the change

What is the difference between an Ipod touch and an Ipad?


Regards,

Robert


On 2/5/2017 8:46 PM, Kim Lingo via Talk wrote:

With that also work with I am iPhone? Kim Lingo

Kim Lingo

On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk 
 wrote:


Hi Don,

I wanted to point out that, with a Bluetooth keyboard, an inexpensive 
iPod Touch is a less expensive, yet equally powerful, alternative to a 
Mac, and it puts you within the Apple world, with access using VoiceOver.


Good luck,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Don H via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 7:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: making the change

So for someone who uses their computer for Email and web surfing how
hard is to make the change to a Mac laptop?
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Re: making the change

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The ipad is a tablet and the ipod is much smaller.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Grimwood via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 2:11 PM
To: Kim Lingo ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the change

What is the difference between an Ipod touch and an Ipad?


Regards,

Robert


On 2/5/2017 8:46 PM, Kim Lingo via Talk wrote:

With that also work with I am iPhone? Kim Lingo

Kim Lingo

On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk 
 wrote:


Hi Don,

I wanted to point out that, with a Bluetooth keyboard, an inexpensive 
iPod Touch is a less expensive, yet equally powerful, alternative to a 
Mac, and it puts you within the Apple world, with access using VoiceOver.


Good luck,

Rod

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Don H via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 7:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: making the change

So for someone who uses their computer for Email and web surfing how
hard is to make the change to a Mac laptop?
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Re: making the change

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   You can use a bluetooth keyboard on a ipod touch, ipad and iphone.

-Original Message- 
From: Kim Lingo via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 12:46 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the change

With that also work with I am iPhone? Kim Lingo

Kim Lingo

On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk 
 wrote:


Hi Don,

I wanted to point out that, with a Bluetooth keyboard, an inexpensive iPod 
Touch is a less expensive, yet equally powerful, alternative to a Mac, and 
it puts you within the Apple world, with access using VoiceOver.


Good luck,

Rod

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Don H via Talk

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To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: making the change

So for someone who uses their computer for Email and web surfing how
hard is to make the change to a Mac laptop?
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Re: Window Eyes recap

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

It was at that time I bought my Booksense standerd from GW Micro.  I still 
have all of the GW Micro training mp3 files they did.


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 6:50 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window Eyes recap

I remember when HIMS was part of GW Micro.  I was surprised when they
disconnected.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 1:42 PM
To: bjn...@windstream.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window Eyes recap

Brenda, your post sheds more light on the fears that have gripped my tiny
soul since the current situation unfolded.  I would never have known that GW
Micro was highly instrumental in getting HIMS, Inc. started in the United
States!

Like you, the help I have gotten from GW Micro has been stellar.  When my
wee, small company offered money transfer services through Moneygram, it was
Mr. Marc Solomon, now gone, who helped me gain some reasonable access to the
poorly written Moneygram software that I had to use.  Moneygram did have a
blind young man in their technical support department who was a Jaws user.
Note that I used the verb "was" because I'm not certain whether or not the
young man still works for Moneygram!  Sufficing to say, he was unable to
help me with any issues pertaining to the accessibility of the Moneygram
software.  I wondered what sort of services he was providing in tech
support, but I didn't ask him during our many conversations.

I do recall that Mr. Solomon and I spent several hours on the phone with
Moneygram whereby he was explaining to the company what it could do
differently to make its software fully accessible.  Sadly, Moneygram WAS NOT
WILLING to make the necessary changes contending that it would require a
rewrite of the software from the ground up!  I recall Mr. Solomon indicating
to the official we were in contact with that a rewrite of the software would
not be necessary and he did his best to point out the tweaks that could have
been made to their software with relative ease.  In the end, Moneygram would
not budge and I had to terminate whatever contracts my company had with it.

I realise that I am an ancient wine repouring myself into a bottomless
bottle!  Be that as it may, I've never heard, in this industry, of a
similarly situated corporation that goes over and perhaps beyond the call of
duty like GW Micro did for and with me.  My fears are not allayed; rather,
they remain in place!  The writing on the wall seems clear enough but
perhaps I should quit reading it, or else learn to indulge in false
pretense!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Here's one thing to think about.  Microsoft will be coming out with windows 
10 creative update around April.  Will window-eyes work with it?


-Original Message- 
From: Mike Bernard via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 1:03 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I couldn't agree more Jim. In fact, just to add my own two cents worth to
the pot, for those who are so worried about Window-Eyes's demise, here's an
idea; If you have a current version of Window-Eyes on your Windows 8, 8.1,
or 10 computer, and it just happens to be functioning fine regardless of the
fact that it may be outdated, why not just stick with that version for now?
Even if the program does end up going down the tube some day, at least you'd
still have a copy of WE that actually works. Just a thought.

Mike

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Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   I would be interested in knowing, did you try the current version of 
window-eyes in  build 15002 of windows?  If so,  did you find any problems?


-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 12:02 PM
To: 'Stan Gowin' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Dave'
Subject: RE: Circling and Circling Round and Round

Hi:

Well, I've played with Narrator, even the one in the build 15002 of Windows, 
and, it has a long way to go to come close to even NVDA, System Access, Jaws 
or Window-Eyes.


I hope we still have a few choices, because, I would be very upset if 
Narrator was the only game in town.


The speech engines from Microsoft are about as responsive as an old serial 
synthesizer running at about 10 baud.  In short, they suck, as far as 
responsiveness is concerned.  Sure, they sound ok, but, they're falling 
short of the mark in everything else.


On the Mac platform, I was blown away by Alex's responsiveness.  Alex is a 
great voice, and, if you've never used a Mac, you just won't believe how 
responsive Alex is.  And, with the Mac even being faster, I imagine Alex is 
even more responsive.


Anyway, with all due respect, Microsoft would have a lot of catching up to 
do before they can even touch NVDA, let alone the paid screen-readers.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Stan Gowin via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 2:16 PM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: Re: Circling and Circling Round and Round

Dave,

Thank you for your thoughtful email.

As you will see from my signature I have moved much of my personal computing 
to the Apple platform. However, for my job I still use Windows and several 
of the screen readers/magnifiers on that platform.


The evolution of computing for individuals continues and the support  of 
Window Eyes is just part of a larger phenomenon, exemplified by cheaper 
adaptive solutions for the blind and vision-impaired. If Microsoft follows 
Apple and improves Narrator to the point where it competes favorably with 
the expensive screen readers we have used for the last 25 years or so, it 
won’t be just WE that fades away. The economic model of the thousand dollar 
screen reader will be untenable.



Regards,
Stan

Sent from my Mac Mini

On Jan 29, 2017, at 9:52 AM, Dave via Talk  
wrote:


Sorry, as this subject comes around again, I had to laugh when I read
that someone was going to change the negativity by re-titling the
Subject line.Sounds like some Butt Hurt SJW who is looking for a
Safe Place after getting their Feelings Hurt.

I wish my conclusions were different, but my own thoughts run along the
same lines as Vaughn's.   There are some disturbing signs, that all has
not been well at GW Micro, or for the future of Window Eyes.

BW Micro had a great staff and many had been their for years.  When
that staff, in a very short amount of time, start leaving, this is not
a Good Sign.

I feel for Doug, as it seems he is one of the last  still standing at
what is left of the old GW Micro.

Now that a much larger Company has came along and Swallowed up A I
Squared, and GW Micro.  We will all need to wait and see what the Big
New Company does with its new acquisitions.

The personal service we all received from GW Micro is probably gone
for good. Large companies tend to be less caring, and do not allow
their employees to have the same amount of liberty as the staff of a
much smaller company might experience.

Large Companies tend to move slower, and fix problems when they get
around to it.  usually when the problem is causing a loss in money
coming in.

I am Thankful for the Support I was given when the most recent update
was made available.  Without this, all of us would be using NVDA today.

I do expect Window Eyes will be continuing, but at a much slower pace
than before.

There may come a time when Microsoft does a new Windows 11, or 12,  that
makes Window Eyes un=usable.The folks at the top of this Big New
Company will need to decide whether to invest the money and resources
to update Window Eyes, or just push Window Eyes into the Trash Bin,
and make all of us an offer to upgrade to JAWS.

Speculations are nothing more than responding to signs of impending
change to come.

We all have seen changes in the staff, and other issues that were slow
to be addressed.  And so the speculations begin, and will continue.
Call in Human Nature.  Few of us like Surprises.

And lets face it, all of us here have invested a fair amount of cash
into Window Eyes, and to start over With JAWS or something else isn't
something I really want to do, unless I find myself with no other
choices.

All of us are along for the ride, where ever it might go.  If Window
Eyes lives on, Great!  And if Not, then Not so Great, but we all will
adjust as changes come.As 

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

And AI Squared has not said anything if there will be support for windows 10 
Creators update coming shortly.


-Original Message- 
From: Mike Pietruk via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 4:06 AM
To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Nick

That's exactly Peter's point -- and both of you have said it in different
ways with the same meaning.
Effectively, future development of WE is no more.  Granted, the PR side of
it could have been handled better; but that's a completely different
issue.
The question I have is this:  the acquiring entity now has a customer base
wwhich you would expect they would want to bring over to JFW.
The way you would want to do it, I would expect, is by some nominal charge
-- or remaining SMA's -- and get that userbase onboard.
At least at my end, this hasn't happened as of   yet.
That is what surprises me, not what has happened to WE which is entirely
expected given the marketplace.
Products come and go-- and this one, sad to say, appears, from all
indications, has gone.



From this day forward, it's going to be only America First, America First.

President Donald Trump, Inaugural Address, 1/20/17


On Sun, 29 Jan 2017, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:


So what's your point? In business, people come and go.

On 1/28/2017 7:26 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> Hello again,
>
> As I mentioned before, when the people who do the work go away, then the 
> company and its products suffer.

>
> All the great people who made Window-Eyes the best are apparently gone.
>
> Peter Duran
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Re: does this certificate problem affect anything before 9.53

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

it effects Window-Eyes v9.5 Build numbers 9.5.1 and 9.5.3

-Original Message- 
From: Lee Hodgson via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:13 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: does this certificate problem affect anything before 9.53

Hi
I wondered, if I am using an older version of we 9.4 with windows 7,
will my copy still be ok, seem to remember they said the issue was
with 9.51 and above, but can someone confirm please thanks.
smiles.
Lee, Emily my guiding furry snowflake and Chester and Simba the feline 
fellas.


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Re: Returning to list - what's going on with GW and AISquared

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I'm also hoping that Window-eyes will be able to support the soon to be 
released Windows 10 creative update?


-Original Message- 
From: Brenda via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:05 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Returning to list - what's going on with GW and AISquared

Hey Mike and Dave, and anyone else...


Thanks for the quick replies.  This is horrible - Window eyes might be
no more?  I searched January list archieves and found nothing so far.
It seems the market having two quality screen readers would be
difficult, just wish it was JAWS leaving.


I think I will have to learn to use NVDA.


I did update to 9.5.4 on my 10 laptop and win 7 machine. Hopefully they
will have a disk available for anyone who doesn't get updated in time or
for folks that purchase new computers.


I wonder if W-e is no more if users will be given JAWS subscriptions.  I
prefer window eyes, and I just recently purchased another SMA.Everybody
gone - Jeremy Curry too?  this is really sad and depressing - what a way
to start the year.


Thanks,

brenda

On 1/25/2017 11:52 AM, Mike Rogers wrote:
Both readers are under Freedom.  Much talk of W.E. going out, but nothing 
definite.  Many of the I-A folks have left the company and no answers.  If 
you have W.E. 9.5.3, best update to 4, as it's necessary to keep working 
after Jan. 26.




www.harmonicaworkshops.com
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 11:46:16 -0500
Brenda via Talk  wrote:


Hello List

I've been out and about, and had put my subscription in vacation mode. 
since the list format has changed, I just signed up as a new user, same 
email address but different user name.  Not sure if this was the right 
way to do things, but didn't know what else to do.


Then today I called tech support for Window Eyes and was connected to 
florida and found out Window Eyes (GW-Micro, AI Squared) is now part of 
VFO.


Kind of sad to see the changes.  It was nice dealing directly with The 
folks at GW who knew all about Window Eyes.  Feels weird that W-E and 
Jaws are under the same ownership umbrella.


Can someone catch me up on recent happenings?

Thanks
Brenda
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Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I didn't have that problem.

My only question is, do you need a 9.5.4 cd if you want to install it on a 
new computer or reinstall it?


-Original Message- 
From: Peter Duran via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 10:22 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

Hello

I just installed this update.  There is a minor problem.  After the download 
completes, you are asked to allow Windows to install this program.  You need 
to activate the Yes button, but Window-Eyes does not speak the option, as it 
did in the past; sighted help is necessary.


Peter Duran
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Question regarding Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Do we need a window-eyes 9.5.4 cd to install window-eyes on a new computer 
or to reinstall?


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Re: certificate revoked message from Ai Squared

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The next question is, will there be a window-eyes update when the windows 10 
creative update is released?


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:44 PM
To: Neville ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: certificate revoked message from Ai Squared

Well, the point is, it made it here and we all know what's going on.
You all wanted to know the status of Window-eyes, now you do.




On 1/18/2017 12:30 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:
No need to apologize Vaughan because I was just as confused as everybody 
else.  That is why I asked if anyone knew anything about it.


I am astounded that someone from Ai Squared did not make an announcement 
on this listand explain just what it all meant and what actions members 
would need to take. It is very disappointing that the info was posted on 
another list first.


Neville.



On 18/01/2017 11:48 AM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:



-Original Message-
From: Vaughan Dodd
Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2017 2:40 p.m.
To: 'Sky Mundell'
Subject: RE: certificate revoked message from Ai Squared

Thanks Sky, and my sincere apologies to Neville and the list members.  I 
was wrong!


However: would have been helpful if AI Squared put the news out through 
its various distribution mechanisms - including this list.


So: lets all be ready - and once again, just confirming my apology.


Vaughan.

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Re: Called JAWS the other day

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I can't get any of the add ons to install with the current version of NVDA?

-Original Message- 
From: Bryan Peterson

Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 7:22 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; mcommerf...@comcast.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

Agreed. And I will not go back to JAWS. Now if I could just get the
Eloquence add-on to work properly we'd be fine, but it won't save my voice
settings.

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 7:15 AM
To: mcommerf...@comcast.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

It relates because it's beginning to look like window-eyes will be a thing
of the past.

-Original Message- 
From: Marvin Commerford

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 8:04 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

Google's great for this.  For example in a google search put in nvda dec
access and results will be there.  I wonder if Google would have a
result explaining how Dec Access for NVDA relates in any way to Window-Eyes.


On 1/16/2017 8:46 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

I'd like to find the access32 add on for nvda.

-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:24 PM
To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

oh cool, then reverse that last answer i gave, sorry for the
incorrect info!

How cool is that?!

On 1/15/2017 3:14 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hi, Yes you can use your dectalk express with NVDA.  You have to
download an
addon for it.

http://jeff.tdrealms.com/NVDA.htm
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

Can I use my Dec-talk Express with NVDA?

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 7:00 AM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

Where does one get the access32 addon?  I have a friend who has started
using NVDA.

-Original Message-
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 5:04 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

As far as NVDA voices I am currently using the Access32 add on and NVDA
sounds just like WE with the Decaccess32 voice for Window Eyes.
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Re: Called JAWS the other day

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

It relates because it's beginning to look like window-eyes will be a thing 
of the past.


-Original Message- 
From: Marvin Commerford

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 8:04 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

Google's great for this.  For example in a google search put in nvda dec
access and results will be there.  I wonder if Google would have a
result explaining how Dec Access for NVDA relates in any way to Window-Eyes.


On 1/16/2017 8:46 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

I'd like to find the access32 add on for nvda.

-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:24 PM
To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

oh cool, then reverse that last answer i gave, sorry for the
incorrect info!

How cool is that?!

On 1/15/2017 3:14 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hi, Yes you can use your dectalk express with NVDA.  You have to
download an
addon for it.

http://jeff.tdrealms.com/NVDA.htm
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

Can I use my Dec-talk Express with NVDA?

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 7:00 AM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

Where does one get the access32 addon?  I have a friend who has started
using NVDA.

-Original Message-
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 5:04 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

As far as NVDA voices I am currently using the Access32 add on and NVDA
sounds just like WE with the Decaccess32 voice for Window Eyes.
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Windows 10 Creative update podcast from Main Menu

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Here’s the Windows 10 creative update podcast from Main Menu.  I sure hope 
Window-Eyes will work with it when it’s released
http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-01-13.mp3
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Re: windows 10 cmd command

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Yes, the same thing happens with me.

-Original Message- 
From: Jim Ruby via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 10:41 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: windows 10 cmd command

Hi,

Using the latest version of windows 10 and window-eyes when I use the cmd
command everything just repeats over and over in the command shell, Is this
happening to anyone else? Any suggestions on a resolution?

Thanks.

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Re: Called JAWS the other day

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I'd like to find the access32 add on for nvda.

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:24 PM
To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

oh cool, then reverse that last answer i gave, sorry for the
incorrect info!

How cool is that?!

On 1/15/2017 3:14 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
Hi, Yes you can use your dectalk express with NVDA.  You have to download 
an

addon for it.

http://jeff.tdrealms.com/NVDA.htm
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

Can I use my Dec-talk Express with NVDA?

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 7:00 AM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

Where does one get the access32 addon?  I have a friend who has started
using NVDA.

-Original Message-
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 5:04 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

As far as NVDA voices I am currently using the Access32 add on and NVDA
sounds just like WE with the Decaccess32 voice for Window Eyes.
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Re: Called JAWS the other day

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I have no idea.

-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries

Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:10 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

Can I use my Dec-talk Express with NVDA?

Pastor Gil

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 7:00 AM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

Where does one get the access32 addon?  I have a friend who has started
using NVDA.

-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 5:04 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

As far as NVDA voices I am currently using the Access32 add on and NVDA
sounds just like WE with the Decaccess32 voice for Window Eyes.
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Re: Called JAWS the other day

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Unfortunately, you have to be at the convention to get that pricing.

-Original Message- 
From: Steve Jacobson via Talk

Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 9:31 PM
To: 'Dave' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Called JAWS the other day

Dave,

Often VFO runs extreme discounts around the consumer conventions in July.  I
received my home edition of JAWS 16 for $75 in 2015, and the same thing was
offered last summer.  I was able to upgrade it for $250 to the professional
version that could run on a corporate computer.  If you are interested, I
would watch for promotions around the conventions next summer and perhaps
even around CSUN.  There is no guarantee, of course, and you are right to be
concerned about the price.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


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[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 4:45 PM
To: A I Squared Support 
Subject: Called JAWS the other day

Had too much time on my hands the other day, so decided to Call the
folks over at JAWS to see what their current pricing would be for a new
copy of JAWS 18.

I was told $1100

then I asked if I would receive a discount if I owned Window eyes.  Theguy
told me, No, the price for a new copy of JAWS 18 would be $1100.

For you Sun is always Shining Optimists, perhaps this will change in the
future.   And for those of you who see the Window Eyes Sky Falling, best
start saving up your spare change.  $1100 firm.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Called JAWS the other day

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Where does one get the access32 addon?  I have a friend who has started 
using NVDA.


-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 5:04 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

As far as NVDA voices I am currently using the Access32 add on and NVDA
sounds just like WE with the Decaccess32 voice for Window Eyes.
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Re: Going Backward in Accessibility?

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And lets take a look at what Apple did with the current version of Itunes. 
It's not nearly as accessible as it was in version 11.


-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 7:58 AM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Hi Jim,

There are all kinds of examples.  In Becky, I once had the ability to
Read to End, and now I no longer have this ability.

Numerous Web Sites that once were reasonably accessible, now require
more effort on my part to find the same information.

Ebay is a simple example.  I once could easily type in the item I was
looking for and run a search.  Now I need to take a few extra steps to
do the same thing, and then, sometimes, the reading of the search
results is quite flaky.

This is probably due more to Ebay changing something than Window Eyes
doing something wrong.  But the bottom line is that I now am working
harder to get where I once could go fairly easily.

The other day, I was on a web site, I was attempting to create an
account, I could not because some where on that screen I was leaving a
Field open, and try as I might, I could never find the field, and I
could not create the account.  I'll need to get sighted help to do this
in the next day or two.

Operating Systems and programs all have multiplied the number of
features, and a program that once had 50 features, now has 200.  My
screen reader might read many of these new menu choices, and then again,
it might not.

Oh, I can still use the basic features, but I find that I don't always
have the ability to go into some of those new areas, and be able to read
all the selections, choices and options.

This is partly due to multiple factors, and I am not holding Window Eyes
responsible for the two steps backwards.

Frankly, I would think it is almost impossible for a Screen reading
company to give 100 per cent access to Windows, or Office, or many other
programs.

Outside of Screen Readers, I think the Blind are given fewer and fewer
choices.  I bought a brand new Top of the Line Washer and Dryer for my
Wife.  I thought I might be able to continue to help do the wash from
time to time.  The machines had buttons.  Well, it turns out, even
though there are buttons, the user needs to read a screen to select the
exact cycle wanted for that load of wash.  And the dryer isn't any
easier.  It too has a screen and it requires the user to read the screen
in order to choose the desired dryer setting, time temp etc.

I now need to read from a Braille card, the number of buttons to push
and in which order, to do a simple load of wash.

There are many Kitchen appliances that require sight to use them
accurately.

The phone system where I work is almost impossible for me to use.  I can
pick up calls and dial out, but it requires sight to see another one of
those screens to pick the person you wish to transfer a call.

customer Service Data bases, my Screen reader doesn't read well.  Not
well enough to effectively use it.  Same with the Tech Data base.

I may have said that accessibility is taking one step forwards, and two
back.  Perhaps I should have said, that accessibility is not keeping up
with what accessibility is needed, which ends up meaning the same thing
for most Blind.  We can't use the equipment, or navigate the Web page,
or create an account, or do some type of editing, because we can't get
to the feature to use it.


I am older, and some my want to say, that I am just an old dude who is
stuck in the past.

However, what I see, is the typical consumer has a load of Electronic
equipment, and very very few know much more than the bare basics when it
comes to using it.Hundreds of features are there, for the few who
might need to use them.  But most features go un used, and yet, the
manufacturers can say their phone has more features, or our program has
more choices etc. etc. etc.


So, I do believe we the Blind are losing the level of accessibility we
once had in the past.

Grumpy Dave


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Will Window-Eyes work with Microsoft releases new, improved version of Windows 10 to Windows Insider testers

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Microsoft releases new, improved version of Windows 10 to Windows Insider 
testers
Has anyone tested Window-Eyes with the following?

Microsoft releases new, improved version of Windows 10 to Windows Insider 
testers
Although the next major Windows 10 update ("Creators Update") is expected in 
spring 2017, Microsoft has released a new and improved version of its operating 
system (Build 15002) for testers signed up to the Windows Insider program. It 
features a host of improvements and new features, notably for the Cortana 
intelligent personal assistant and the Edge internet browser.

Microsoft just can't leave the "Start" menu alone, it seems. This latest update 
lets users create custom folders filled with the tiles of their choice. The 
Cortana intelligent personal assistant gets a host of new functions in the 
update. It can, for example, start playing a radio station or a movie, search 
for recipes, and handle recurring time-based reminders ("every month" or "every 
year"), which can be handy for paying bills or remembering birthdays. The 
update also brings Touchpad improvements, adding audio volume controls and 
greater flexibility in touch settings and controls.

Finally, this update brings its share of corrections, fixing brightness 
settings issues, improving Coraina pop-ups in Edge, and fixing crashes when 
browsing folders on the OneDrive cloud storage facility.

Note that this version doesn't bring any major changes to interface design and 
doesn't yet integrate any elements of "Projet Neon," a fresh and streamlined 
redesign that uses transparency and blurring.

Installation media (ISO) for Build 15002 should be made available in the week 
beginning January 16 to members of the Windows Insider program, allowing 
interested users to try out the update before it rolls out to consumers.

Sign up to the Windows Insider program: insider.windows.com   


https://www.yahoo.com/tech/microsoft-releases-improved-version-windows-10-windows-insider-095439830.html
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Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

You are right, I talked to Access Solutions and they told me it's no problem 
using the TripleTalk without a battery.


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:50 AM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

There shouldn't be any reason why you can't take the battery out of your
tripple talk.  I have a dec-talk express whose battery has been dead for a
long time.  If it got unpluged, it would make this motorboating noise.
Everybody said you had to have a battery in there.  Well, I sent mine to get
worked on, and it no longer has a battery in it, and it works just fine.
Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Curtis Delzer via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:08 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

The battery in my tripple talk will run the synthesizer for a little
while, but then, after no power from the usb connection for about 4 or
so hours, it begins to make noise! :)
If our power goes off during the night, I get a rude awakening from my
wife, I guarantee!
Tempting to take out the battery because who knows whether or not it may
leak? or corrode? causing other issues.

-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 06:31:45 -0800
Russ Kiehne via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

The Battery in my TripleTalk usb died a long time back, I had a friend of 
mine take out the battery.  It turns onn and off when I turn on and off 
the computer.


-Original Message- From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:28 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

because turning it off with a power strip only turns off the battery 
charger.

the battery would stay on until it completely drains.

-Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 9:36 AM
To: Neville ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

Why wouldn't the battery turn off if you turned everything off with the
power strip?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Neville via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 1:43 AM
To: net bat ; Window Eyes
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

I also use a power strip to turn off all the equipment but the Double
Talk had a hard wired builtin battery whichneeded to be turned off at
the unit.  This, over time, stuffed it up.

Neville.


On 5/12/2016 4:38 PM, net bat wrote:
> i use  a power strip to turn everything off. i would rather wear out the
> power strip then the power buttons on my equipment
>
> -Original Message- From: Neville via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 10:32 PM
> To: Casey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB
>
> Hi,
> Over the years, I have used both the external Double Talk and the
> Tripple Talk syns and would never bother with an external unit again.
> These units were of the serial type and both were quite expensive for
> what they were.
>
> The Double talk needed to be turned off with the on off volume switch at
> the end of each session to save the internal battery.  In time, the
> volume control became quite scratchy and eventually I gave it up.
>
> The Tripple Talk went the same way but in a much shorter time frame. In
> comparison, I found the Tripple Talk to be not worth the money.  Maybe
> the later versions have improved.
>
>
> For some time now I have used a Creative usb external sound card costing
> around $60 connected to a pair of speakers with a volume control. If the
> volume ever becomes scratchy, it is an inexpensive solution just to
> replace the speakers. This setup has been working for years without any
> problems.
>
> I mainly use Eloquence as my software syn and find it very responsive.
> The other benefit to using a software syn is that there are many good
> free voices which can be easily obtained.
>
> Currently I have WE and Eloquence running through the external sound
> card and have another  voice setup to run through the internal sound
> card if required. NVDA also is setup to run through the internal
> cardwhich gives me a way of tracing any problems if WE will not talk
> through the external card.
>
> In short, save your money and get an external sound card as mentioned
> above. With the modern fast computers, lack of responsiveness is not a
> big a problem as it once was.
>
> Neville.
>
> On 5/12/2016 2:42 PM, Casey via Talk wrote:
>> Hi I am thinking about maybe getting one of these synthesizers.
>> The triple talk USB or the dectalk USB.
>> Witch is the better one that will give the fastest response time and
>> work the best with window-ey

Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Mine did the same thing.  I took out the battery.

-Original Message- 
From: Curtis Delzer

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:08 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

The battery in my tripple talk will run the synthesizer for a little
while, but then, after no power from the usb connection for about 4 or
so hours, it begins to make noise! :)
If our power goes off during the night, I get a rude awakening from my
wife, I guarantee!
Tempting to take out the battery because who knows whether or not it may
leak? or corrode? causing other issues.

-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 06:31:45 -0800
Russ Kiehne via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

The Battery in my TripleTalk usb died a long time back, I had a friend of 
mine take out the battery.  It turns onn and off when I turn on and off 
the computer.


-Original Message- From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:28 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

because turning it off with a power strip only turns off the battery 
charger.

the battery would stay on until it completely drains.

-Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 9:36 AM
To: Neville ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

Why wouldn't the battery turn off if you turned everything off with the
power strip?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Neville via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 1:43 AM
To: net bat ; Window Eyes
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

I also use a power strip to turn off all the equipment but the Double
Talk had a hard wired builtin battery whichneeded to be turned off at
the unit.  This, over time, stuffed it up.

Neville.


On 5/12/2016 4:38 PM, net bat wrote:
> i use  a power strip to turn everything off. i would rather wear out the
> power strip then the power buttons on my equipment
>
> -Original Message- From: Neville via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 10:32 PM
> To: Casey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB
>
> Hi,
> Over the years, I have used both the external Double Talk and the
> Tripple Talk syns and would never bother with an external unit again.
> These units were of the serial type and both were quite expensive for
> what they were.
>
> The Double talk needed to be turned off with the on off volume switch at
> the end of each session to save the internal battery.  In time, the
> volume control became quite scratchy and eventually I gave it up.
>
> The Tripple Talk went the same way but in a much shorter time frame. In
> comparison, I found the Tripple Talk to be not worth the money.  Maybe
> the later versions have improved.
>
>
> For some time now I have used a Creative usb external sound card costing
> around $60 connected to a pair of speakers with a volume control. If the
> volume ever becomes scratchy, it is an inexpensive solution just to
> replace the speakers. This setup has been working for years without any
> problems.
>
> I mainly use Eloquence as my software syn and find it very responsive.
> The other benefit to using a software syn is that there are many good
> free voices which can be easily obtained.
>
> Currently I have WE and Eloquence running through the external sound
> card and have another  voice setup to run through the internal sound
> card if required. NVDA also is setup to run through the internal
> cardwhich gives me a way of tracing any problems if WE will not talk
> through the external card.
>
> In short, save your money and get an external sound card as mentioned
> above. With the modern fast computers, lack of responsiveness is not a
> big a problem as it once was.
>
> Neville.
>
> On 5/12/2016 2:42 PM, Casey via Talk wrote:
>> Hi I am thinking about maybe getting one of these synthesizers.
>> The triple talk USB or the dectalk USB.
>> Witch is the better one that will give the fastest response time and
>> work the best with window-eyes?
>> now I know it maybe personal choice.
>> But I know A few of you out hear of used either one of both of these
>> units so all comments and suggestions are welcome.
>> And if you like one over the other please tell us why that is.
>>
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Re: All phone calls now directed to VFO

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   I would be interested in knowing what the status of Window-Eyes is?

The reason I ask, I understand there will be a major update to windows 10 in
April.  Will Window-Eyes work with it?


-Original Message- 
From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:15 AM
To: 'David' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: All phone calls now directed to VFO

I agree with much of what David has said below, but it seems to me that VFO 
could still be much more up front and direct about the changes being 
implemented and VFO's expectation that such changes will be beneficial to 
all of its customers.  Some corporate generated "spin" would be helpful.


It is confusing to mere mortals who have paid for our Window-Eyes to read 
comments about dealers being withdrawn, but when I look here in New Zealand, 
I notice that VFO has two dealers, but neither of them historically at least 
deals with all products.  And in fact - I have an optelec braille display, 
purchased through a dealer who is not VFO.  So to whom has my Window-eyes 
record gone if I want support - which I don't and never get anyway? VFO as 
the front for Freedom Scientific has discouraged direct contact from 
customers outside of the U.S., whereas after much discussion I did have 
direct contact with the old GW Micro and the more recent AI Squared.   What 
happens if my Optelec product needs to be serviced?  So whilst mergers, 
takeovers, buy-outs etc inevitably bring changes as to how things are done, 
finding out through users being surprised at what they discover is simply 
bad public relations.
Regarding Window-eyes and my braille display: VFO still fronts Freedom 
Scientific far more vigourously than it does AI Squared and Optelec.  Given 
this - my uninformed, speculative logic indicates to me that perhaps Alva 
displays will be discontinued in preference to Focus displays, and that 
Window-Eyes will compete with NVDA as a free product, (but please donate if 
you like it) and so forth.  VFO's wall of death silence contributes to our 
uninformed speculation.


Finally: why do we rant about this when VFO is not even having the decency 
of responding with at least some reassuring words prepared at great expense 
by the marketing and public relations team?


My answer: we just like talking to ourselves and venting, which is  the 
alternative to much more destructive courses of action.



Vaughan.




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of David via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, 10 January 2017 10:31 p.m.
To: Chris Skarstad; Window-Eyes Discussion List; ukekearu...@valtdnet.com
Subject: Re: All phone calls now directed to VFO

Excuse me, please, but what is all the desperation about?


It is several months now, we have been aware VFO has bought AISquared, who 
in turn bought GWMicro a couple of years ago. So, would it not be simple as 
natural, to expect them to use their company name, when a customer calls in. 
If I changed my name to John, would you then be comfortable with me 
answering calls saying:


"Hello, you are speaking to Peter!"?

Of course, if you are calling some department of VFO, it will be VFO and 
noone else who is rightfully answering the phone.



All you old-timers want them to still present themselves as GWMicro,
when you call in. But if I was a new customer, or at least relatively
new, calling a long-distance number for the first time - I sure would be
confused if I know the manufacturer of my screen reader to be VFO, and
someone comes on and say:

"GWMicro, how may I help you?"


And since they are all one big company now, it is time for us to realize
that their merging has been more fully completed. Gone are the days,
when a front-desk operator had to be physically located in the same
building as his employer. Who knows, when you call in now aday, the
operator that answers the phone, might be sitting in his living room,
back home in California, Texas, Virginia, or even in New England -
simply just transfering your call to the actual department and personel.


Do you all know, that some companies even have dismissed their
front-desk operator altogether these days? They buy the service from
another company, who has specialized in that kind of services. So,
calling a company, talking to some customer care personel, does no
longer dictate that this person even is employed by the company he is
representing when talking to you. He just sees which number you are
calling, and knows what to answer accordingly.


Nope, I am by no means telling this to be the case here, but just
because the company happens to use their real and updated name when
answering the phone, does tell nothing as to whether they have stopped
supporting their long-time customers.


Let's just finalize this message, with a scenario, and you all make up
your mind. Imagine that GWMicro had never been sould out. They would
have stayed exactly the same 

Re: Microsoft Ending Support For WLM

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Great, I'll be saving it.
Thanks.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 10:54 AM
To: Talk
Subject: Fw: Microsoft Ending Support For WLM

Here is a link to M/S offline Windows Essentials 2012 installer.
http://g.live.com/1rewlive5-all/en/wlsetup-all.exe

Download the file now and save it for future needs, in case they need it, 
after WLM  is no longer available.



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Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
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Re: Microsoft Ending Support For WLM

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I wonder if one can get the installer software for future use?

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 11:33 AM
To: Talk
Subject: Microsoft Ending Support For WLM

Microsoft will end support for the Windows Essentials 2012 suite on January 
10, 2017. If you use any of the suite’s component apps—Movie Maker, Photo 
Gallery, OneDrive, Family  Safety, Windows Live Mail, or Live Writer—here’s 
what you need to know.
Windows Essentials 2012 has been a popular suite of apps since its release, 
and a surprising number of people still use some of those component apps 
today. On January 10, 2017, Microsoft will end official support for the 
suite. You’ll still be able to use it, of course, but the apps will no 
longer receive updates of any kind, including security updates. You also won’t 
be able to download the installer software anymore, either. If you still use 
Windows Essentials 2012, read on to find out what the end of official 
support means to you and where you can look for alternatives.

You Can Keep Using Windows Essentials 2012
Official support for Windows Essentials 2012 will end, but that doesn’t mean 
you have to quit using it. If you’ve already got it installed, you can keep 
on using it just like you always have. Just be aware that there will be no 
future updates, including security updates. For users of Windows Live Mail, 
having no security updates will matter the most. For  the other apps in the 
suite, it’s less important.



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Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
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Re: Wayning Window-eyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Ask yourself why Earle Harrison from Triumph Technology was ask by the VFO 
group to no longer be able to sell Window-Eyes?  It looks like the only 
place to buy Window-Eyes is from Ai Squared.


-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:51 AM
To: Jo Taliaferro ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Wayning Window-eyes

Hi Joe And Folks!

I don't think Window-Eyes is going anywhere in the near future, they are
still sellin SMAs and according to what they said to me about 3 to 4
days ago they will be selling them for the near future.  I guess
anything could happen between now and then, but I am certainly not going
to spend my time speculating about something that might or might not
happen.  You know the world might get struck by an astroid and all this
discussion would be for not.  Enjoy Window-Eyes while it is here
and if for some reason it happens to go away, we will just have to find
another screen reader.  Have A Good 1! de

.


On 19-Dec-16 09:08, Jo Taliaferro via Talk wrote:
Yes, I hear you loud and clear. I was around when when the lies was just 
beginning and I was swayed by the very helpful people who had me sitting 
in the chair using vocalize instead of just "preaching about its merits. 
What a great day that was for me I believe it was at one of the major 
summer convention.


Jo Taliaferro

On Dec 19, 2016, at 4:12 AM, Brandon Miller via Talk 
 wrote:


All I can definitively tell you is this folks, I work full time 
professionally as an assistive technology instructor with a blindness 
agency every day. At a recent retreat, the thinking throughout the room 
did most certainly seem to be that VFO most likely does have plans to 
quote unquote, kill off, Window-eyes, either now or in the not too distant 
future. The question I asked was, why are we, that is the assistive tech 
department, going to officially be promoting the use of NVDA as a free 
screen reader, and not Window-eyes? My logic being that Window-eyes can 
also essentially be free as well. That's when several replies came back 
that gave me the distinct impression that Window-eyes' days may in truth 
be numbered. I hope that's not the case; I've been a customer of Gw Micro 
since the Vocal-eyes days! Anyone here remember those days? Back when it 
used to be Jaws for Dos, versus Vocal-eyes? I remember when it used to be 
Arkenstone who sold Openbook, not Freedom Scientific. I

 d
  o feel that Gw Micro personnel do need to innovate, and do need to 
perhaps learn new ways of becoming freshly and aggressively competitive. I 
certainly hope the shark doesn't gobble up everybody, yuck!


Brandon Miller

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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai 
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.


-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest upgrade,
and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has trouble
installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for $250.

We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests them
and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of JAWS
is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program?After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of DOS to
just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good.  And there were
times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
including Windows Itself  to be the culprit before I considered the
Screen Reader.   That is the very high level of reliability I came to
expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years.

Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW Micro.
And I do not know if this is only because some of the old staff are now
gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or if what I sense
is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how those who still work
at GW Micro do their jobs.  And now that A I Squared has been swallowed
by the Parent Company of JAWS, there is even a greater distance theTop
decision makers  have from the every day user of Window Eyes.So it
takes longer and longer to fix problems, or to make alterations to
Window Eyes etc.

Personally, I need a powerful 

Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The Battery in my TripleTalk usb died a long time back, I had a friend of 
mine take out the battery.  It turns onn and off when I turn on and off the 
computer.


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:28 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

because turning it off with a power strip only turns off the battery 
charger.

the battery would stay on until it completely drains.

-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 9:36 AM
To: Neville ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

Why wouldn't the battery turn off if you turned everything off with the
power strip?  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Neville via Talk

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 1:43 AM
To: net bat ; Window Eyes
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

I also use a power strip to turn off all the equipment but the Double
Talk had a hard wired builtin battery whichneeded to be turned off at
the unit.  This, over time, stuffed it up.

Neville.


On 5/12/2016 4:38 PM, net bat wrote:

i use  a power strip to turn everything off. i would rather wear out the
power strip then the power buttons on my equipment

-Original Message- From: Neville via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 10:32 PM
To: Casey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

Hi,
Over the years, I have used both the external Double Talk and the
Tripple Talk syns and would never bother with an external unit again.
These units were of the serial type and both were quite expensive for
what they were.

The Double talk needed to be turned off with the on off volume switch at
the end of each session to save the internal battery.  In time, the
volume control became quite scratchy and eventually I gave it up.

The Tripple Talk went the same way but in a much shorter time frame. In
comparison, I found the Tripple Talk to be not worth the money.  Maybe
the later versions have improved.


For some time now I have used a Creative usb external sound card costing
around $60 connected to a pair of speakers with a volume control. If the
volume ever becomes scratchy, it is an inexpensive solution just to
replace the speakers. This setup has been working for years without any
problems.

I mainly use Eloquence as my software syn and find it very responsive.
The other benefit to using a software syn is that there are many good
free voices which can be easily obtained.

Currently I have WE and Eloquence running through the external sound
card and have another  voice setup to run through the internal sound
card if required. NVDA also is setup to run through the internal
cardwhich gives me a way of tracing any problems if WE will not talk
through the external card.

In short, save your money and get an external sound card as mentioned
above. With the modern fast computers, lack of responsiveness is not a
big a problem as it once was.

Neville.

On 5/12/2016 2:42 PM, Casey via Talk wrote:

Hi I am thinking about maybe getting one of these synthesizers.
The triple talk USB or the dectalk USB.
Witch is the better one that will give the fastest response time and
work the best with window-eyes?
now I know it maybe personal choice.
But I know A few of you out hear of used either one of both of these
units so all comments and suggestions are welcome.
And if you like one over the other please tell us why that is.



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Re: still selling it and still using it

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

To make Window-Eyes work better with tablets, it needs to support touch 
screen.


-Original Message- 
From: Marcie Brink-Chaney via Talk

Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 2:52 PM
To: Carol and Roger ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: still selling it and still using it

I really think people are making mountains out of mole hills. I just got 
fusion for my students to learn because most of them have low vision and 
this program is a combination of the best of two great programs Window Eyes 
and Zoom YText. If Magic and Jaws are so great, why isn't Fs developed a 
combination product like fusion? I think this makes a case for Window Eyes. 
WE works well with tablets and you don't think Microsoft didn't give he 
micro something for the deal for WE to be free? And why was it WE?

I've finished and will now get off my soap box.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk 
 wrote:


Personally, I feel that the program is not dead as long as I can use it on 
my PC.  It would be nice to have continuing support and so long as there is 
a talk list, I think we should be able to share information between us and 
keep Window-Eyes alive.  There is enough negativism around without trying to 
stir up extra and, of course, this is just my opinion, but I will continue 
to use the program as I have been using some form of Window-Eyes/Vocalize 
product since the late 80s.


Carol

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Re: RUMORS

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I would be very interested in knowing why the VFO group has instructed the 
dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes?


-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 1:47 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RUMORS

Hi there FOLKS!

Just got off the phone with AI-Squared about 45 minutes ago, and talked
to a living breathing human being who told me that Window-Eyes was going
nowhere in the near future. In other words no decision has been made on
this issue.  The other thing is that they are still selling SMAs and yes
they are still supporting W.E.  BTW, I have talked to two different
people in the last two to three weeks and as far as updates go, I think
that a major update is generally done after a major update to windows.
So I personally think it would be nice to get back to discussing
Window-Eyes issues related to the actual functionality of the
program-which I have had no real problems with! Just my 2-SENSE worth
whatever that might be worth these days.  Have A Good 1! de

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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

And how about the following!  To me this means the end of Window-Eyes
It is true that this former AI Squared dealer and several others has been 
kicked to the curb by the new owners like so much trash after years of 
faithful service.


Best regards, Earle Harrison President Triumph Technology, LLC. 4110 Central 
Ave. NE. Suite 201 Columbia Heights, MN 55421 Ph: 651-636-5184 ext 801 Fx: 
866-347-8249 Em:

ea...@attriumph.com

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 5:32 AM
To: Kenny Peyatt jr. ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

If you think those voices are free to use, go back and look at the price of
Jaws, and then the price of update plans.

-Original Message- 
From: Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:18 PM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

That could be true too, what would be neat, is if VFO made it where all
the vocalizer voices are free to use with window-eyes like they are with
jaws.

Kenny Peyatt jr.


On 11/30/2016 9:02 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
All the people in the know thought Hillary was to be the President, but 
not so. Might be the same with Window Eyes, everyone thinks it is dead, 
but no one knows.

   - Original Message -
   From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
   To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:40 PM
   Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!


   There are people who do know: they are the various decision makers who 
are setting the direction for all the companies in the group.  They are 
just not telling the paying customers.


   Vaughan.


   -Original Message-
   From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk

   Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:25 p.m.
   To: 'Tony C'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Pamela Dominguez'
   Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   Well nobody knows for sure if its truly dead or not. Its all just 
speculation.


   -Original Message-
   From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk

   Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:43 PM
   To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   I guess the Jaws people will be going crazy now because they wiped out 
window eyes. Even if it hurts the blind community as a whole.


   -Original Message-
   From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
   Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:32 PM
   To: Stephen Clark ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   I think there was something a few months ago.  Pam.

   -Original Message-
   From: Stephen Clark via Talk
   Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:22 PM
   To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   Here's another thing. When was the last time there was an update to any 
of the Window-eyes apps? There used to be constant improvements/updates 
for the apps, but I can't even remember the last time I was prompted for 
an update. Has app development been discontinued?

   I hope not, but it sure seems that way.

   On 11/27/2016 2:51 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
   > But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a
   > screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating system
   > and third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases,
   > the rest of software world still marches on.  And: there are long
   > standing bugs which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the
   > old GW Micro are organisationally very different in character.
   >
   > AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO.
   > Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to
   > Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to
   > give us

   > some official goss.
   >
   >
   > Vaughan.
   >
   >
   >
   > Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to
   > emailing

   > or faxing any new referrals.
   >
   >

http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/a
   uckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
   >
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk
   > 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com

   > ] On

   > Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
   > Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
   > To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
   >
   > Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the
   > functionality of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is
   > create fear, and uncertainty when this topic is discussed.
   >
   >
   >
   > From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
   > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
   > To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   > Subject: 

Re: Future of WE

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

With several employees leaving AI Squared and VFO instructing dealers to no 
longer sell Window Eyes, that should tell you something?


-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 3:10 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; 'Dave'
Subject: Re: Future of WE

I'm not sure I understand why some here feel this urgent need to switch
to another screen reader at this moment.

On 11/26/2016 6:03 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

Jaws 18 is out and should have a demo.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 1:51 PM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: Future of WE

I must admit, the Future of Window Eyes does look like it could be very
limited, as in soon to be Discontinued.   But, who knows for sure.  The
Parent Company might be slow and Cumbersome which makes them slow to do
anything that gets back to the customersSlow to announce new stuff,
slow to bring out Updates, slow to Fix problems etc.

I too am starting to use NVDA a bit more.   On my System, NVDA is just a
touch slower, and I am still not understanding it way of reading parts of
the screen, at least not consistently.

email, MS Word and the Internet all seem to read well enough.  Some times 
a
bit too much is spoken, and I am still learning how to make NVDA speak 
less.



And to be fair, NVDA is not Free, but you can obtain it for Free, use it,
and if you like it, then the owners and creators of NVDA would love to see 
a

Donation come their way.  Money does motivate the continued improvement of
their product.

If more money had been coming into GW Micro, then A I Squared would not
have bought GW Micro.   and this discussion would never have taken place.

I doubt if any of us would work for Free indefinitely.   And the guys
who have put NVDA together would not put in so much effort into NVDA if 
they

did not receive enough to make it worth their time and energy.

The thing about NVDA is that you can donate $50 and the guys will be
grateful.  $50 is cheaper than $1300 for JAWS.

NVDA doesn't do everything JAWS does, but to be honest, I do not need
NVDA to do everything JAWS does.Each person will need to find out if
NVDA will do everything they need it to do.  If it doesn't, and we all 
find

out that Window Eyes is truly Dead, then those needing more will need to
start saving up for their copy of JAWS, whether they like it or not.

I have two programs that NVDA will not read.  Window Eyes will read one of
them, and when JAWS 18 has a Demo, I intend to try it, to see if it
will read both of these programs.   If it does, against my will, I will
need to purchase a copy of JAWS.I might object, but if I wish to use
these programs, then I have no choice.

Time will tell what the Future of Window Eyes will be, and whether or not 
we

each need to see what we can find to replace a decent and respectable
Screen Reader.

There are other choices than NVDA and JAWS, although, I know nothing
about them.And since I rarely hear of them, I assume they are not
all that good.Maybe some of you here have experience with some of
the other choices in Screen Readers?

Grumpy Dave


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