Re: Thunderbird problem

[Mike via Talk]

Hello Larry


Thank you for your reply.  I found Thunderbird became more and more 
difficult to use after version 60.4.0 and so, I eventually went back to 
that version.  It works well with my 64 bit laptop apart from the 
editing problems I mentioned previously.  I agree WE is becoming less 
and less useful but I often find We works with somethings that other 
screen readers cannot cope with.  I am intending to keep it on my 
machines so long as it is useful.



Best wishes


Mike - G0VMG

Mike Gurney

On 30/10/2022 16:50, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Mike,


Although I sure hope that someone has a satisfactory solution to your 
issue, I'm afraid that WE is simply becoming less and less usable as 
time goes on.



As for me and Thunderbird, If I wish to simply read a message, I have 
to select the entire message with ctrl+a, and use the read to end 
combo ctrl+shift+r, but there is really no way to use the editor, all 
of this at least with the 64bit version. Chances are that if I had not 
chosen to upgrade in this way, Thunderbird would be more manageable. 
As it is, I have to move to either The Fish, or NVDA to make any 
significant use of Thunderbird.



Another way to read text in a message is to save to either a text or 
html file, but what a PITA.



Frankly, the thing tha t keeps me attached to WE is the Winamp 
scripts, and not least, WE's version of Eloquence. I really do not 
like the reading pace of Eloquence with JAWS, and increasingly NVDA. I 
will have to admit though, to using an illegal version of IBM 
Eloquence with NVDA, and can't make use of my Code Factory edition of 
same with either screen reader for some reason.



Anyway, that is only my two cents worth on the matter, and I'm quite 
sure that is just about all it is worth .



Have a great day,


Larry

On 10/30/2022 7:46 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Everyone


Continuing the thread of email, I have a different issue.


For a couple of years now Thunderbird is proving almost impossible to 
edit or modify the text I am writing.  Writing continuously there 
isn't any difficulties.  However, if I need to cursor up to check 
what I have written, I then start to get duplicate lines. Usually, 
there is just one additional line but if I need to go up or down 
repeatedly, I will get more and more copies of the same line.



I don't think these extra lines are actually there but WE certainly 
keeps reading them.



Sometimes I have to resort to writing the text in notepad and then 
copying it across.  Since I moved to Windows 11 notepad is also 
becoming a problem.



With thanks


Mike.


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Re: Thunderbird problem

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Mike,


Although I sure hope that someone has a satisfactory solution to your 
issue, I'm afraid that WE is simply becoming less and less usable as 
time goes on.



As for me and Thunderbird, If I wish to simply read a message, I have to 
select the entire message with ctrl+a, and use the read to end combo 
ctrl+shift+r, but there is really no way to use the editor, all of this 
at least with the 64bit version. Chances are that if I had not chosen to 
upgrade in this way, Thunderbird would be more manageable. As it is, I 
have to move to either The Fish, or NVDA to make any significant use of 
Thunderbird.



Another way to read text in a message is to save to either a text or 
html file, but what a PITA.



Frankly, the thing tha t keeps me attached to WE is the Winamp scripts, 
and not least, WE's version of Eloquence. I really do not like the 
reading pace of Eloquence with JAWS, and increasingly NVDA. I will have 
to admit though, to using an illegal version of IBM Eloquence with NVDA, 
and can't make use of my Code Factory edition of same with either screen 
reader for some reason.



Anyway, that is only my two cents worth on the matter, and I'm quite 
sure that is just about all it is worth .



Have a great day,


Larry

On 10/30/2022 7:46 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Everyone


Continuing the thread of email, I have a different issue.


For a couple of years now Thunderbird is proving almost impossible to 
edit or modify the text I am writing.  Writing continuously there 
isn't any difficulties.  However, if I need to cursor up to check what 
I have written, I then start to get duplicate lines. Usually, there is 
just one additional line but if I need to go up or down repeatedly, I 
will get more and more copies of the same line.



I don't think these extra lines are actually there but WE certainly 
keeps reading them.



Sometimes I have to resort to writing the text in notepad and then 
copying it across.  Since I moved to Windows 11 notepad is also 
becoming a problem.



With thanks


Mike.


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Re: Thunderbird

[David via Talk]

Am aware of the issues when comes to composing emails. Why I - near the 
end of my initial message stated that it will need some further 
investigation. Wonder if there might be some kind of an extension, or 
rather perhaps a Theme, for Thunderbird that will bring us closer to a 
solution. Themes, control things like color schemes, font sizes and so 
on. To what extent that is where the bird has its nest, I am not sure, 
but it might be worth playing a bit around.


For those who want a toy store to explore, Thunderbird has their own 
central for releasing all these kinds of extra gadgets for the software. 
Something I for one, was not aware of up till very recently.

The web address is:

     .thunderbird.net

Here you will find extensions, plug-ins, and themes. You will find 
different cattegories, depending of what set of main features you are 
looking for. Unfortunately, it seems to me, not all of he stuff offered 
up there, is compatible with newer versions of Thunderbird. Meaning that 
you might end up finding a promising AddOn, download and install it, 
only to find that it won't start when you fire up Thunderbird. 
Uninstall, and better luck with your next attempt in searching through 
the hundreds of alternatives offered to you on their webpage.


Again, it might be there would be found some nifty little thing within 
the settings of Thunderbird. Never really fooled with it, but if 
Thunderbird is made up on the same basis as its sister program Firefox, 
you've got a whole story in scrolling throuh, and messing around with, 
an untold number of settings, which you might not always have a clue 
what consequences will be.


For the sake of ease, I tried doing some searching on the net, hoping 
that there would be some known tweak to make Thunderbird more accessible 
for screen readers. Well, your choice of search engine might be more 
informative than mine. All I found so far, only lists Thunderbird as one 
of the most accessible Email clients for screen reader users. Amongst 
the top-ten. Sure, I guess we all knew that much, yet what we here are 
looking for, would be how to make it really accessible; not just 90 
percent, kind of. Try a similar search for Firefox, and see how far you 
get.


Sum it all up, unless someone has stumbled on a solution, I don't know 
other than we are seeing WinEyes slowly loosing Terrain in the computing 
landscape of the blind. All knew it would happen, but meanwhile, the 
best solution for your composing issues that I could come up with, is to 
write and edit your messages in something like Notepad, and then 
copy-paste the final result into the composition screen of Thunderbird, 
before you hit the Send-button. At least, that's what has worked for me, 
so far. not a real solution, but you get the job done.



David

On 11/10/2019 11:36 PM, Nick Sarames wrote:
> I wish your advice could be beneficial to me, but my issue is more basic
> and probably won't be solved until I finally upgrade to Windows-10. I
> like Thunderbird a lot. I don't receive a lot of e-mails, so it's easy
> for me to scroll down and find e-mails without keyboard shortcuts. My
> only issue is the same one I've had for months - when I'm composing an
> e-mail, I can only read what I wrote upon pressing the backspace key.
> Surely you can see how that could be an inconvenience (smile). But maybe
> I'll try your solution, maybe, somehow, it will solve other problems.
>
> On 11/10/2019 3:18 PM, David via Talk wrote:
>> Been playing a bit around, and thought to just share one tiny experience
>> with you all.
>>
>>
>> A good while ago, Thunderbird had an update, which included some
>> Calendar functionality. If you were in the list of mails, and started to
>> tab your way on the screen, you ended up with a load of "empty spots".
>> That is, you press the tab-key, and WinEyes reports silence. Going to
>> the View-menu, by Alt-V, you could see an entry named Calendar, usually
>> reported to be grayed out, so you could not really do much about it.
>> Further, you had an entry named "today", and even when you enter this
>> submenu, and make sure it is turned off, it still seems to be in your
>> way somehow, on the main screen.
>>
>>
>> A day or two ago, I decided to explore the features of plugins and
>> extensions for Thunderbird; which in effect, is much what Apps have been
>> for WinEyes. They can extend, or expand the functionality of the
>> program. Or, they could get very much in our way. Smile.
>>
>>
>> I realized, that Thunderbird - by its own mind - have decided to install
>> such a thing on my computer. Likely, this is something that
>> automatically comes bundled with newer versions of the software, and
>> thereby gets installed without the user's agreeing through the upgrade
>> process. Happily, this kind of extra blah-blah can be removed, and I
>> will in short terms show you how.
>>
>>
>> 1. In the main screen of Thunderbird, hit Alt-T, to get to the Tools menu.
>>
>> 2. Arrow down a 

Re: Thunderbird

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

I wish your advice could be beneficial to me, but my issue is more basic 
and probably won't be solved until I finally upgrade to Windows-10. I 
like Thunderbird a lot. I don't receive a lot of e-mails, so it's easy 
for me to scroll down and find e-mails without keyboard shortcuts. My 
only issue is the same one I've had for months - when I'm composing an 
e-mail, I can only read what I wrote upon pressing the backspace key. 
Surely you can see how that could be an inconvenience (smile). But maybe 
I'll try your solution, maybe, somehow, it will solve other problems.

On 11/10/2019 3:18 PM, David via Talk wrote:
> Been playing a bit around, and thought to just share one tiny experience
> with you all.
> 
> 
> A good while ago, Thunderbird had an update, which included some
> Calendar functionality. If you were in the list of mails, and started to
> tab your way on the screen, you ended up with a load of "empty spots".
> That is, you press the tab-key, and WinEyes reports silence. Going to
> the View-menu, by Alt-V, you could see an entry named Calendar, usually
> reported to be grayed out, so you could not really do much about it.
> Further, you had an entry named "today", and even when you enter this
> submenu, and make sure it is turned off, it still seems to be in your
> way somehow, on the main screen.
> 
> 
> A day or two ago, I decided to explore the features of plugins and
> extensions for Thunderbird; which in effect, is much what Apps have been
> for WinEyes. They can extend, or expand the functionality of the
> program. Or, they could get very much in our way. Smile.
> 
> 
> I realized, that Thunderbird - by its own mind - have decided to install
> such a thing on my computer. Likely, this is something that
> automatically comes bundled with newer versions of the software, and
> thereby gets installed without the user's agreeing through the upgrade
> process. Happily, this kind of extra blah-blah can be removed, and I
> will in short terms show you how.
> 
> 
> 1. In the main screen of Thunderbird, hit Alt-T, to get to the Tools menu.
> 
> 2. Arrow down a couple of times, till you get to the AddOn manager, and
> hit Enter.
> 
> 3. You end up in a screen, holding a couple of links. Tab once or twice,
> to land on one of them. Turn off Browse Mode, with Ctrl-Shift-A.
> 
> 4. The screen has several tabs. To move around between them, maybe the
> best way is to tab your way around the screen, til you land on the
> tab-header line, where you can use your arrows, to choose the desired one.
> 
> 5. What you are looking for now, is the extension section of the screen.
> Once you have focused that one, press the tab key till you land on the
> list of installed extensions.
> 
> 6. You are specially interested in an extension named "Lightening".
> Arrow your way down the list, till you have focused that one.
> 
> 7. You've got two choices here. Either tab till you land on REMOVE, or
> hit the App-key (Shift-F10), and arrow till you get to REMOVE; then hit
> Enter.
> 
> 8. You will hear the screen reader telling you that the AddOn will be
> removed upon restart. So, Hit Ctrl-F4, to make sure to close the AddOn
> Manager.
> 
> 9. Close Thunderbird altogether, by hitting Alt-F4, and then upon
> waiting for a scond or two, restart your Email program.
> 
> 
> When restarted, you will find that Thunderbird's main screen, will
> behave a little more like in the "old days". Going to the View menu,
> both the "Today" and "Calendar" entries, will have disappeared
> altogether. And if you use your Tab-key in the main screen, you will no
> longer meet any silent spots. At least one issue has been removed from
> your planet. Smile.
> 
> 
> Now, if we only could have founde a way of setting up Thunderbird in
> such a way that it will let us edit our outgoing messages, and specially
> so our replying to a message, we could actually have seen Thunderbird
> again becoming a fully accessible piece of software; even for WinEyes
> users. Not sure if such a tweak is possible, but my guess is that a
> theme, or some adjustment in the very settings of the software will be a
> couple of places to look. If anyone have ideas, please share.
> 
> 
> Hope this might help some of you.
> 
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Re: Thunderbird repeating

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi, On some occasions I have witnessed TB repeating as I arrowed down 
the list in the inbox and I have also seen it repeat the subjects.  
However, at this time as I write, I am experiencing no such behavior 
even in the subject as you suggested.  For what it is worth, I would 
recommend that when folks experience unusual behavior they should check 
which setfile is loaded.  I have experienced times when I was using TB, 
the proper setfile was not loaded.

On 1/29/2019 10:35 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> If I understand the original thread correctly, Mike and Norene were 
> talking about items repeating when cursoring up and down within a 
> mailbox list.
> The subject being repeated when opening a message is universal because 
> Thunderbird is firing that event multiple times. It happens in NVDA as 
> well.
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 1/29/2019 4:17 AM, Michael via Talk wrote:
>> aws does the same thing when i open an email jaws will repeat the 
>> subject line 2 or 3 times.
>>
>> cheeers Michael.
>>
>> On 29/01/2019 12:30 pm, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>>> Here's a couple things to try.
>>> First, go into General, Other, and turn the trigger delay up. The 
>>> default setting is two. Try turning it way up to something like 
>>> twenty to see if it fixes the problem. If it does, then keep nudging 
>>> it down to the lowest number that will work.
>>> If that doesn't work go back into the same General, Other settings 
>>> and tab down to Allow auto-redraw. If it's on try turning it off.
>>> Hth,
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/28/2019 2:11 PM, Mike via Talk wrote:
 Hello Norene


 I have just realized it is going to same thin wiht Amazon pages.


 Mike.

 On 28/01/2019 01:46, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:
> For what it's worth, I use MS outlook and iI have the same 
> trouble. You are right, it does slow things down.  I have not had 
> time to dig into it as yet.
>
> Norene
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Mike via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 1:57 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: Mike
> Subject: Thunderbird repeating
>
> Hello Everyone
>
>
> Recently, WE is repeating email labels in Thunderbird. Sometimes it
> will repeat an email title twice but somethines it says it three 
> times.
> This is very frustrating when cursoring down a list of emails 
> because it
> takes much longer to work through the list. Does anyone have any idea
> why this might be happening?
>
>
> With thanks in advance
>
>
> Mike.
>
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Re: Thunderbird repeating

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

If I understand the original thread correctly, Mike and Norene were 
talking about items repeating when cursoring up and down within a 
mailbox list.
The subject being repeated when opening a message is universal because 
Thunderbird is firing that event multiple times. It happens in NVDA as well.

Regards,
Tom


On 1/29/2019 4:17 AM, Michael via Talk wrote:
aws does the same thing when i open an email jaws will repeat the 
subject line 2 or 3 times.


cheeers Michael.

On 29/01/2019 12:30 pm, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Here's a couple things to try.
First, go into General, Other, and turn the trigger delay up. The 
default setting is two. Try turning it way up to something like twenty 
to see if it fixes the problem. If it does, then keep nudging it down 
to the lowest number that will work.
If that doesn't work go back into the same General, Other settings and 
tab down to Allow auto-redraw. If it's on try turning it off.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/28/2019 2:11 PM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Norene


I have just realized it is going to same thin wiht Amazon pages.


Mike.

On 28/01/2019 01:46, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:
For what it's worth, I use MS outlook and iI have the same trouble. 
You are right, it does slow things down.  I have not had time to dig 
into it as yet.


Norene



-Original Message- From: Mike via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 1:57 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Mike
Subject: Thunderbird repeating

Hello Everyone


Recently, WE is repeating email labels in Thunderbird. Sometimes it
will repeat an email title twice but somethines it says it three times.
This is very frustrating when cursoring down a list of emails 
because it

takes much longer to work through the list. Does anyone have any idea
why this might be happening?


With thanks in advance


Mike.

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Re: Thunderbird repeating

[Michael via Talk]

aws does the same thing when i open an email jaws will repeat the 
subject line 2 or 3 times.


cheeers Michael.

On 29/01/2019 12:30 pm, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Here's a couple things to try.
First, go into General, Other, and turn the trigger delay up. The 
default setting is two. Try turning it way up to something like twenty 
to see if it fixes the problem. If it does, then keep nudging it down 
to the lowest number that will work.
If that doesn't work go back into the same General, Other settings and 
tab down to Allow auto-redraw. If it's on try turning it off.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/28/2019 2:11 PM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Norene


I have just realized it is going to same thin wiht Amazon pages.


Mike.

On 28/01/2019 01:46, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:
For what it's worth, I use MS outlook and iI have the same trouble. 
You are right, it does slow things down.  I have not had time to dig 
into it as yet.


Norene



-Original Message- From: Mike via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 1:57 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Mike
Subject: Thunderbird repeating

Hello Everyone


Recently, WE is repeating email labels in Thunderbird. Sometimes it
will repeat an email title twice but somethines it says it three times.
This is very frustrating when cursoring down a list of emails 
because it

takes much longer to work through the list. Does anyone have any idea
why this might be happening?


With thanks in advance


Mike.

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Re: Thunderbird repeating

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Here's a couple things to try.
First, go into General, Other, and turn the trigger delay up. The 
default setting is two. Try turning it way up to something like twenty 
to see if it fixes the problem. If it does, then keep nudging it down to 
the lowest number that will work.
If that doesn't work go back into the same General, Other settings and 
tab down to Allow auto-redraw. If it's on try turning it off.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/28/2019 2:11 PM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Norene


I have just realized it is going to same thin wiht Amazon pages.


Mike.

On 28/01/2019 01:46, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:
For what it's worth, I use MS outlook and iI have the same trouble. 
You are right, it does slow things down.  I have not had time to dig 
into it as yet.


Norene



-Original Message- From: Mike via Talk
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Subject: Thunderbird repeating

Hello Everyone


Recently, WE is repeating email labels in Thunderbird.  Sometimes it
will repeat an email title twice but somethines it says it three times.
This is very frustrating when cursoring down a list of emails because it
takes much longer to work through the list. Does anyone have any idea
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With thanks in advance


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Re: Thunderbird repeating

[Mike via Talk]

Hello Norene


I have just realized it is going to same thin wiht Amazon pages.


Mike.

On 28/01/2019 01:46, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:
For what it's worth, I use MS outlook and iI have the same trouble.  
You are right, it does slow things down.  I have not had time to dig 
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Cc: Mike
Subject: Thunderbird repeating

Hello Everyone


Recently, WE is repeating email labels in Thunderbird.  Sometimes it
will repeat an email title twice but somethines it says it three times.
This is very frustrating when cursoring down a list of emails because it
takes much longer to work through the list. Does anyone have any idea
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With thanks in advance


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Re: Thunderbird repeating

[Norene Trappa via Talk]

For what it's worth, I use MS outlook and iI have the same trouble.  You are 
right, it does slow things down.  I have not had time to dig into it as yet.


Norene



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Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 1:57 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Mike
Subject: Thunderbird repeating

Hello Everyone


Recently, WE is repeating email labels in Thunderbird.  Sometimes it
will repeat an email title twice but somethines it says it three times.
This is very frustrating when cursoring down a list of emails because it
takes much longer to work through the list. Does anyone have any idea
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With thanks in advance


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Re: Thunderbird Question

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Try Alt-V View, L Layout, and arrow down to Folder Pane. If it's not 
checked hit enter to check it.

Hth,
Tom


On 4/26/2018 12:17 PM, L Urie via Talk wrote:
Right, that's where I expected to find it; but it's not there. That's 
what has me puzzled.



Lee



On 2018-04-26 10:55 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
From within the inbox Shift-Tab to go to the folders tree. You should 
land on inbox. When I arrow down from there I go through drafts, sent, 
archives, junk, trash, and then all folders I've created.

Hth,
Tom


On 4/26/2018 10:27 AM, L Urie via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I'm using the latest version of Thunderbird.  I want to check my junk 
folder.  However, I can't find where it is.  If anyone can point me 
in the right direction, it would be much appreciated.


Thanks

Lee


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Re: Thunderbird Question

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Is it called trash?  I seem to have two trash folders, one contains all 
my deleted e-mails and the other seems to be empty.

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> Hi,
> 
> I'm using the latest version of Thunderbird.  I want to check my junk 
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> the right direction, it would be much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
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Re: Thunderbird Question

[L Urie via Talk]

Right, that's where I expected to find it; but it's not there. That's 
what has me puzzled.



Lee



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From within the inbox Shift-Tab to go to the folders tree. You should 
land on inbox. When I arrow down from there I go through drafts, sent, 
archives, junk, trash, and then all folders I've created.

Hth,
Tom


On 4/26/2018 10:27 AM, L Urie via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I'm using the latest version of Thunderbird.  I want to check my junk 
folder.  However, I can't find where it is.  If anyone can point me 
in the right direction, it would be much appreciated.


Thanks

Lee


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Re: Thunderbird Question

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

From within the inbox Shift-Tab to go to the folders tree. You should 
land on inbox. When I arrow down from there I go through drafts, sent, 
archives, junk, trash, and then all folders I've created.

Hth,
Tom


On 4/26/2018 10:27 AM, L Urie via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I'm using the latest version of Thunderbird.  I want to check my junk 
folder.  However, I can't find where it is.  If anyone can point me in 
the right direction, it would be much appreciated.


Thanks

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Re: Thunderbird

[David via Talk]

probably I have lost something here. But please, what is your issue? You 
have got trouble with newest Thunderbird? OK, but could you tell us what 
exactly you are experiencing, it might be possible for us to advice 
where the trouble nests.


Currently running Thunderbird here, updated just about a week ago, and 
have seen no extra issues. So likely something has got messed up in your 
installation, but without knowing exactly what the issue is, it will be 
a guesswork to trace the trouble.


On 1/20/2018 2:02 AM, Robert Martin via Talk wrote:
> Thanks!
> It must be something in my room configuration. Thanks again
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 6:12 PM, Michael Fridey via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Yes i am running the latest bird on 2 laptops.
>> Cheers Michael.
>>
>>> On 20 Jan 2018, at 12:24 am, Robert Martin via Talk 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks!!
>>> Are you using the most recent version of Thunderbird?
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:54 PM, Michael Fridey via Talk 
  wrote:

 I find thunder bird works fine hear.

 cheers Michael.


> On 19/01/18 2:06 PM, Robert via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm wondering if some kind of changes have occurred in Thunderbird.  I 
> have
> used it for some time to download Gmail and it worked adequately.   At 
> home
> I've switched to Outlook which works quite well but at work I have
> Thudnerbird on my machine and it will take a while to get our university
> tech folks to address my issues.   Does  have any idea what the problems
> with thunderbird might be.  It just doesn't work at all as it previously.
> Actually I also use JAWS and have basically the same problems.  Any ideas?
> Suggestions will be helpful.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
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Thanks!
It must be something in my room configuration. Thanks again
Bob

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2018, at 6:12 PM, Michael Fridey via Talk 
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> Yes i am running the latest bird on 2 laptops.
> Cheers Michael. 
> 
>> On 20 Jan 2018, at 12:24 am, Robert Martin via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks!!
>> Are you using the most recent version of Thunderbird?
>> Bob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:54 PM, Michael Fridey via Talk 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I find thunder bird works fine hear.
>>> 
>>> cheers Michael.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 19/01/18 2:06 PM, Robert via Talk wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I'm wondering if some kind of changes have occurred in Thunderbird.  I have
 used it for some time to download Gmail and it worked adequately.   At home
 I've switched to Outlook which works quite well but at work I have
 Thudnerbird on my machine and it will take a while to get our university
 tech folks to address my issues.   Does  have any idea what the problems
 with thunderbird might be.  It just doesn't work at all as it previously.
 Actually I also use JAWS and have basically the same problems.  Any ideas?
 Suggestions will be helpful.
 
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Re: Thunderbird

[Michael Fridey via Talk]

Yes i am running the latest bird on 2 laptops.
Cheers Michael. 

> On 20 Jan 2018, at 12:24 am, Robert Martin via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks!!
> Are you using the most recent version of Thunderbird?
> Bob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:54 PM, Michael Fridey via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I find thunder bird works fine hear.
>> 
>> cheers Michael.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 19/01/18 2:06 PM, Robert via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering if some kind of changes have occurred in Thunderbird.  I have
>>> used it for some time to download Gmail and it worked adequately.   At home
>>> I've switched to Outlook which works quite well but at work I have
>>> Thudnerbird on my machine and it will take a while to get our university
>>> tech folks to address my issues.   Does  have any idea what the problems
>>> with thunderbird might be.  It just doesn't work at all as it previously.
>>> Actually I also use JAWS and have basically the same problems.  Any ideas?
>>> Suggestions will be helpful.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Bob
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Re: Thunderbird

[Robert Martin via Talk]

Thanks!!
Are you using the most recent version of Thunderbird?
Bob

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> On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:54 PM, Michael Fridey via Talk 
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> I find thunder bird works fine hear.
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> cheers Michael.
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>> On 19/01/18 2:06 PM, Robert via Talk wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm wondering if some kind of changes have occurred in Thunderbird.  I have
>> used it for some time to download Gmail and it worked adequately.   At home
>> I've switched to Outlook which works quite well but at work I have
>> Thudnerbird on my machine and it will take a while to get our university
>> tech folks to address my issues.   Does  have any idea what the problems
>> with thunderbird might be.  It just doesn't work at all as it previously.
>> Actually I also use JAWS and have basically the same problems.  Any ideas?
>> Suggestions will be helpful.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
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Re: Thunderbird

[Michael Fridey via Talk]

I find thunder bird works fine hear.

cheers Michael.


On 19/01/18 2:06 PM, Robert via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I'm wondering if some kind of changes have occurred in Thunderbird.  I have
used it for some time to download Gmail and it worked adequately.   At home
I've switched to Outlook which works quite well but at work I have
Thudnerbird on my machine and it will take a while to get our university
tech folks to address my issues.   Does  have any idea what the problems
with thunderbird might be.  It just doesn't work at all as it previously.
Actually I also use JAWS and have basically the same problems.  Any ideas?
Suggestions will be helpful.

Thanks,

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Re: Thunderbird help

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Thanks for the link.
Regards,
Tom


On 10/23/2017 9:59 PM, loy via Talk wrote:

Here is a link to your answer about contacts.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_address_books_between_profiles


On 10/23/2017 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Bernie,
I don't know what file or files the contacts are in. But all I do is 
backup the following folder on a regular basis so I'll have it when I 
need it. For example, I just got a new system a few weeks ago, 
installed TB, renamed the default Thunderbird folder to 
Thunderbird.bak just in case, and then replaced it with the backup.

C:\Users\Tom Kingston\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird
I've done this several times and it always works perfectly.
Good luck,
Tom


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Hi, Recently, having done a complete windows repair, I have had to
reinstall several apps including TB.  I have been able to restore all of
my local folders from a windows backup.  However, I can't seem to find
the file where TB contacts are stored.  Does anyone know wich file that
is?  thanks, Bernie

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Re: Thunderbird help

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

HI, Thanks for that link.  A very good and short article.  I missed that 
one.Bernie


On 10/23/2017 9:59 PM, loy via Talk wrote:
> Here is a link to your answer about contacts.
>
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_address_books_between_profiles
>
>
> On 10/23/2017 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>> Bernie,
>> I don't know what file or files the contacts are in. But all I do is 
>> backup the following folder on a regular basis so I'll have it when I 
>> need it. For example, I just got a new system a few weeks ago, 
>> installed TB, renamed the default Thunderbird folder to 
>> Thunderbird.bak just in case, and then replaced it with the backup.
>> C:\Users\Tom Kingston\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird
>> I've done this several times and it always works perfectly.
>> Good luck,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 10/23/2017 1:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi, Recently, having done a complete windows repair, I have had to
>>> reinstall several apps including TB.  I have been able to restore 
>>> all of
>>> my local folders from a windows backup.  However, I can't seem to find
>>> the file where TB contacts are stored.  Does anyone know wich file that
>>> is?  thanks, Bernie
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Re: Thunderbird help

[loy via Talk]

Here is a link to your answer about contacts.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_address_books_between_profiles


On 10/23/2017 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Bernie,
I don't know what file or files the contacts are in. But all I do is 
backup the following folder on a regular basis so I'll have it when I 
need it. For example, I just got a new system a few weeks ago, 
installed TB, renamed the default Thunderbird folder to 
Thunderbird.bak just in case, and then replaced it with the backup.

C:\Users\Tom Kingston\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird
I've done this several times and it always works perfectly.
Good luck,
Tom


On 10/23/2017 1:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:

Hi, Recently, having done a complete windows repair, I have had to
reinstall several apps including TB.  I have been able to restore all of
my local folders from a windows backup.  However, I can't seem to find
the file where TB contacts are stored.  Does anyone know wich file that
is?  thanks, Bernie

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Re: Thunderbird help

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Tom,  Thanks for your note.  I guess I should have thought to replace 
the entire TB folder but I didn't.  When I reinstalled TB after windows 
repair, both contact and local folders were missing.  I had previously 
used windows backup to save everything on my system.  I noted that after 
reinstalling TB, the identity had changed and I wasn't sure if there 
were an association between messages and the former identity.  But, 
using the backup, I restored the local folders and all local folders 
were in order. For the record, I di find the contacts file, it is 
history.mab and is in the TB folder.  So, again, thanks for your help. 
Bernie



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> Bernie,
> I don't know what file or files the contacts are in. But all I do is 
> backup the following folder on a regular basis so I'll have it when I 
> need it. For example, I just got a new system a few weeks ago, 
> installed TB, renamed the default Thunderbird folder to 
> Thunderbird.bak just in case, and then replaced it with the backup.
> C:\Users\Tom Kingston\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird
> I've done this several times and it always works perfectly.
> Good luck,
> Tom
>
>
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>> Hi, Recently, having done a complete windows repair, I have had to
>> reinstall several apps including TB.  I have been able to restore all of
>> my local folders from a windows backup.  However, I can't seem to find
>> the file where TB contacts are stored.  Does anyone know wich file that
>> is?  thanks, Bernie
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Re: Thunderbird help

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Bernie,
I don't know what file or files the contacts are in. But all I do is 
backup the following folder on a regular basis so I'll have it when I 
need it. For example, I just got a new system a few weeks ago, installed 
TB, renamed the default Thunderbird folder to Thunderbird.bak just in 
case, and then replaced it with the backup.

C:\Users\Tom Kingston\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird
I've done this several times and it always works perfectly.
Good luck,
Tom


On 10/23/2017 1:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:

Hi, Recently, having done a complete windows repair, I have had to
reinstall several apps including TB.  I have been able to restore all of
my local folders from a windows backup.  However, I can't seem to find
the file where TB contacts are stored.  Does anyone know wich file that
is?  thanks, Bernie

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Re: Thunderbird Help

[loy via Talk]

click on link, then tab to choose file


On 10/11/2017 9:32 AM, L Urie via Talk wrote:

Hi,


I'm using Windows 10,with Window-Eyes 9.5.4 and the latest version of 
Thunderbird.  I'm trying to send a file attachment, however, when I go 
to insert in the file menu, that option doesn't seem to be there. I 
see images, table, link, and a few other things but no option to send 
a file.  What am I missing?


Thanks

Lee


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Re: Thunderbird Help

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Lee,
When I open the File menu while composing a message it comes in on New. 
Attach is the next item down. I don't see Insert anywhere.

I'm running the same setup as you.
Good luck,
Tom


On 10/11/2017 9:32 AM, L Urie via Talk wrote:

Hi,


I'm using Windows 10,with Window-Eyes 9.5.4 and the latest version of 
Thunderbird.  I'm trying to send a file attachment, however, when I go 
to insert in the file menu, that option doesn't seem to be there. I see 
images, table, link, and a few other things but no option to send a 
file.  What am I missing?


Thanks

Lee


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Re: Thunderbird

[matthew Dyer via Talk]

Hi,

Go to the view menu and disable the search bar, tool bars etc and make sure 
that the preview pain is off.  HTH.

Matthew



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On 9/15/17, 7:11 PM, "Talk on behalf of Carol and Roger via Talk" 
 wrote:

Hi,

I am trying to help a friend of mine reinstall Thunderbird.  She now has 
email coming and going, but there is no simple way to get to the inbox.  
How does one get rid of the screen that has all of the junk in it like 
filter messages, write messages, search bing, etc. and get to the inbox 
after installing Thunderbird.  We have turned off the splash screen, but 
that does not make any difference.


Neither one of us has any mouse function in Thunderbird any longer and I 
used to doo a simple search for inbox and mouse click it and the inbox 
came right up.  But, with no mouse control, I don't know how to tell her 
to get there.  Thanks for any help.

Carol


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Re: Thunderbird

[David via Talk]

Or, maybe we should all learn to use the search engines on the net. A 
quick search for a term like:

     Setting up thunderbird to open in the inbox

, on Yahoo, gave me a number of results. Among them, this article, which 
might be what you are looking for:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Show_Inbox_when_starting_Thunderbird


If not, try some of the other articles here:

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=setting+up+thunderbird+to+open+in+the+inbox=UTF-8=mozilla=yhs-001


Hope any of this helps you out.


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> Honestly, it's been a few years since I set up my Thunderbird. So this
> will be a total guesswork. But for nothing else, make sure the settings
> in the View menu are correct.
>
>
> Under Toolbars, make sure only the Menu bar, and Status bar are checked.
> All other features should be unchecked.
>
>
> Under Layout, you might want to go for the Classic view.
>
>
> Under Folders, try set it to Unified.
>
>
> Under Today's Pane, make sure it is set to None.
>
>
> Since you have Thunderbird working on your machine, it might be a
> workaround for you to make a copy of your Thunderbird folder, under
> %Appdata% in Windows Explorer. Make sure to delete your mail folders
> from the copy.
>
> Then, let your friend replace her Thunderbird folder, with your copy.
> This should ensure she will get the same setup as you. She might have to
> enter her account details anew.
>
>
> Should you need further steps on the folder copying, let me know, and I
> might be able to pull together some step-by-step instructions on the matter.
>
>
> On 9/16/2017 1:18 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
>> Thanks. I did not see that option and went throught both accounts and
>> options.  The only thing there, which we had already unchecked, was
>> the open the Mozilla start page.  Otherwise, whenever I open my
>> settings, I usually end up wherever I closed TB.  Hers always opens
>> with that screen with all of the options. I will have her try turning
>> off browse mode and see if that helps any.  Thanks for the ideas.
>>
>> Carol
>>
>>
>> On 9/16/2017 3:52 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>> There isn't a way to set it up so that it opens in the inbox?  I know
>>> there is in all the other email programs I have used: outlook
>>> express, windows mail and windows live mail.  Pam.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:33 PM
>>> To: Carol and Roger via Talk
>>> Cc: brice Mijares
>>> Subject: Re: Thunderbird
>>>
>>> I usually hit shift tav once and I'm in the inbox. It all depend where
>>> your at when you close TB.
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Re: Thunderbird

[David via Talk]

Honestly, it's been a few years since I set up my Thunderbird. So this 
will be a total guesswork. But for nothing else, make sure the settings 
in the View menu are correct.


Under Toolbars, make sure only the Menu bar, and Status bar are checked. 
All other features should be unchecked.


Under Layout, you might want to go for the Classic view.


Under Folders, try set it to Unified.


Under Today's Pane, make sure it is set to None.


Since you have Thunderbird working on your machine, it might be a 
workaround for you to make a copy of your Thunderbird folder, under 
%Appdata% in Windows Explorer. Make sure to delete your mail folders 
from the copy.

Then, let your friend replace her Thunderbird folder, with your copy. 
This should ensure she will get the same setup as you. She might have to 
enter her account details anew.


Should you need further steps on the folder copying, let me know, and I 
might be able to pull together some step-by-step instructions on the matter.


On 9/16/2017 1:18 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
> Thanks. I did not see that option and went throught both accounts and 
> options.  The only thing there, which we had already unchecked, was 
> the open the Mozilla start page.  Otherwise, whenever I open my 
> settings, I usually end up wherever I closed TB.  Hers always opens 
> with that screen with all of the options. I will have her try turning 
> off browse mode and see if that helps any.  Thanks for the ideas.
>
> Carol
>
>
> On 9/16/2017 3:52 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> There isn't a way to set it up so that it opens in the inbox?  I know 
>> there is in all the other email programs I have used: outlook 
>> express, windows mail and windows live mail.  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:33 PM
>> To: Carol and Roger via Talk
>> Cc: brice Mijares
>> Subject: Re: Thunderbird
>>
>> I usually hit shift tav once and I'm in the inbox. It all depend where
>> your at when you close TB.
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Re: Thunderbird

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Not that I know of. I wish it was like Outlook Express or Windows mail. 
Windows 10 has the mail app, but I'd rather use TB instead.


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There isn't a way to set it up so that it opens in the inbox?  I know 
there is in all the other email programs I have used: outlook express, 
windows mail and windows live mail.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:33 PM
To: Carol and Roger via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: Thunderbird

I usually hit shift tav once and I'm in the inbox. It all depend where
your at when you close TB.
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Re: Thunderbird

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thanks.  I did not see that option and went throught both accounts and 
options.  The only thing there, which we had already unchecked, was the 
open the Mozilla start page.  Otherwise, whenever I open my settings, I 
usually end up wherever I closed TB.  Hers always opens with that screen 
with all of the options. I will have her try turning off browse mode and 
see if that helps any.  Thanks for the ideas.


Carol


On 9/16/2017 3:52 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
There isn't a way to set it up so that it opens in the inbox?  I know 
there is in all the other email programs I have used: outlook express, 
windows mail and windows live mail.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:33 PM
To: Carol and Roger via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: Thunderbird

I usually hit shift tav once and I'm in the inbox. It all depend where
your at when you close TB.
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Re: Thunderbird

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Rod,

F6 does absolutely nothing.  I will have her try the browse mode and see 
what happens there.  It is like an open message, but all of the links 
are for items available in TB.  Thanks for the suggestion.


Carol


On 9/15/2017 10:51 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Just a shot in the dark, since I don't use TB, but if you're in browse mode, 
can you turn it off with Ctrl-Shift-A; in any case, can you not just F6 over to 
the folders?

Hth,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 15, 2017 7:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Thunderbird

Hi,

I am trying to help a friend of mine reinstall Thunderbird.  She now has
email coming and going, but there is no simple way to get to the inbox.
How does one get rid of the screen that has all of the junk in it like
filter messages, write messages, search bing, etc. and get to the inbox
after installing Thunderbird.  We have turned off the splash screen, but
that does not make any difference.


Neither one of us has any mouse function in Thunderbird any longer and I
used to doo a simple search for inbox and mouse click it and the inbox
came right up.  But, with no mouse control, I don't know how to tell her
to get there.  Thanks for any help.

Carol


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Re: Thunderbird

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

There isn't a way to set it up so that it opens in the inbox?  I know there 
is in all the other email programs I have used: outlook express, windows 
mail and windows live mail.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:33 PM
To: Carol and Roger via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: Thunderbird

I usually hit shift tav once and I'm in the inbox. It all depend where
your at when you close TB.
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Re: Thunderbird

[michael's emails via Talk]

iI did this by going up to tools menu then acount options.
Their is a setting to open thunderbird to in box not the start page.
cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:43 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: Thunderbird

Thanks, but that did not work.


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I usually hit shift tav once and I'm in the inbox. It all depend where 
your at when you close TB.

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RE: Thunderbird

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Carol,

Just a shot in the dark, since I don't use TB, but if you're in browse mode, 
can you turn it off with Ctrl-Shift-A; in any case, can you not just F6 over to 
the folders?

Hth,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 15, 2017 7:11 PM
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Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Thunderbird

Hi,

I am trying to help a friend of mine reinstall Thunderbird.  She now has 
email coming and going, but there is no simple way to get to the inbox.  
How does one get rid of the screen that has all of the junk in it like 
filter messages, write messages, search bing, etc. and get to the inbox 
after installing Thunderbird.  We have turned off the splash screen, but 
that does not make any difference.


Neither one of us has any mouse function in Thunderbird any longer and I 
used to doo a simple search for inbox and mouse click it and the inbox 
came right up.  But, with no mouse control, I don't know how to tell her 
to get there.  Thanks for any help.

Carol


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Re: Thunderbird

[mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo via Talk]

google.com thunder berd

On 9/15/17, Carol and Roger via Talk  wrote:
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Re: Thunderbird

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thanks, but that did not work.


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I usually hit shift tav once and I'm in the inbox. It all depend where 
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Re: Thunderbird

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I usually hit shift tav once and I'm in the inbox. It all depend where 
your at when you close TB.

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Re: Thunderbird message amounts

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Brenda,

I was able to read the information about read and unread and total files 
both from within a specific email folder and from the main inbox 
screen.  Also, I could read the same information from within this email 
composition.  What I did was to press the touch cursor, shift+numpad 
plus key command and then control+end to take me to the very last item 
on the screen.  From there, it was easy to left arrow through the 
numbers.  Once you have the information, simply press the PC cursor, 
numpad plus twice.


I am very happy to have this feature.

Carol


On 6/9/2017 2:03 PM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

Hey Neville,
Using your instructions with jaws in TB I can see how many read and 
unread messages are in a folder, but I have to go into the folder to 
do this.  Once I get to the bottom, activate  the touch cursor and 
right arrow for a while, eventually I come across the read, unread and 
total.


I can't do this prior to entering the folder as you first mentioned 
was doable for you.


"The total number of  messages in the folder can be obtained from the 
folder name prior to

"entering the folder.  "

Perhaps there are some view settings I need to change.

Thank you for this info.  It is a great way for me to get used to the 
touch cursor, and the more I can do with jaws that I used to do with 
Window-eyes the readier I will be for the future.


Brenda

On 6/8/2017 10:42 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi Brenda,
I have verbosity set to intermediate but no desktop icons are indexed 
unfortunately.


Although Jaws does not index the messages in Thunderbird like WE did, 
there is a way to gain the information with Jaws. The total number of 

The number of read and unread messages can be

located at the bottom of the screen with the touch cursor.
1. press control end to go to the bottom of the list of messages.
2. turn on the touch cursor with shift numpad plus.
3.use the right arrow to go down to the bottom where you will find 
the number of read and unread messages. Press numpad plus twice 
quickly to leave the touch cursor.



HTH
Neville.
On 8/06/2017 10:25 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

Hey Neville,

I have Jaws set to read the desktop that way (e.g. 15 of 26)but it 
doesn't work in TB.  I think I found the setting in the help menu 
under start-up options - I changed the verbosity to intermediate.  
I'm pretty sure that is when the deskitop started reading 15 of 26 
etc..


hth (if that is in fact what caused the change)
Brenda

On 6/7/2017 8:01 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
I know exactly what you are saying Brenda because I am missing this 
feature as well.


In one of Raul's mp3 tutorials on making the switch, the desktop 
icons read out their index number as he arrows around the screen.  
e.g. 15 of 26.

  Has anyone been able to duplicate this and if so, how did you do it?

Thanks
Neville.

On 8/06/2017 1:34 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

In Window-eyes the number of messages in a folder is read.
with Jaws is there a way to do this?

At least jaws reads how many unread messages in a folder, but I 
could have lots and lots of messages in my inbox and have no way 
to know it with jaws.


Also, with Jaws is there a way to find out "message 10 of 125" etc 
to know where you are in the message list?


what are Window-Eyes migrants doingabout these issues?

Thanks for any help.
Brenda
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Re: Thunderbird message amounts

[Brenda via Talk]

Hey Neville,
Using your instructions with jaws in TB I can see how many read and 
unread messages are in a folder, but I have to go into the folder to do 
this.  Once I get to the bottom, activate  the touch cursor and right 
arrow for a while, eventually I come across the read, unread and total.


I can't do this prior to entering the folder as you first mentioned was 
doable for you.


"The total number of  messages in the folder can be obtained from the 
folder name prior to

"entering the folder.  "

Perhaps there are some view settings I need to change.

Thank you for this info.  It is a great way for me to get used to the 
touch cursor, and the more I can do with jaws that I used to do with 
Window-eyes the readier I will be for the future.


Brenda

On 6/8/2017 10:42 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi Brenda,
I have verbosity set to intermediate but no desktop icons are indexed 
unfortunately.


Although Jaws does not index the messages in Thunderbird like WE did, 
there is a way to gain the information with Jaws. The total number of 

The number of read and unread messages can be

located at the bottom of the screen with the touch cursor.
1. press control end to go to the bottom of the list of messages.
2. turn on the touch cursor with shift numpad plus.
3.use the right arrow to go down to the bottom where you will find the 
number of read and unread messages. Press numpad plus twice quickly to 
leave the touch cursor.



HTH
Neville.
On 8/06/2017 10:25 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

Hey Neville,

I have Jaws set to read the desktop that way (e.g. 15 of 26)but it 
doesn't work in TB.  I think I found the setting in the help menu 
under start-up options - I changed the verbosity to intermediate.  I'm 
pretty sure that is when the deskitop started reading 15 of 26 etc..


hth (if that is in fact what caused the change)
Brenda

On 6/7/2017 8:01 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
I know exactly what you are saying Brenda because I am missing this 
feature as well.


In one of Raul's mp3 tutorials on making the switch, the desktop 
icons read out their index number as he arrows around the screen.  
e.g. 15 of 26.

  Has anyone been able to duplicate this and if so, how did you do it?

Thanks
Neville.

On 8/06/2017 1:34 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

In Window-eyes the number of messages in a folder is read.
with Jaws is there a way to do this?

At least jaws reads how many unread messages in a folder, but I 
could have lots and lots of messages in my inbox and have no way to 
know it with jaws.


Also, with Jaws is there a way to find out "message 10 of 125" etc 
to know where you are in the message list?


what are Window-Eyes migrants doingabout these issues?

Thanks for any help.
Brenda
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Re: Thunderbird message amounts

[Neville via Talk]

Hi Brenda,
I have verbosity set to intermediate but no desktop icons are indexed 
unfortunately.


Although Jaws does not index the messages in Thunderbird like WE did, 
there is a way to gain the information with Jaws. The total number of 
messages in the folder can be obtained from the folder name prior to 
entering the folder.  The number of read and unread messages can be 
located at the bottom of the screen with the touch cursor.

1. press control end to go to the bottom of the list of messages.
2. turn on the touch cursor with shift numpad plus.
3.use the right arrow to go down to the bottom where you will find the 
number of read and unread messages. Press numpad plus twice quickly to 
leave the touch cursor.



HTH
Neville.
On 8/06/2017 10:25 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

Hey Neville,

I have Jaws set to read the desktop that way (e.g. 15 of 26)but it 
doesn't work in TB.  I think I found the setting in the help menu under 
start-up options - I changed the verbosity to intermediate.  I'm pretty 
sure that is when the deskitop started reading 15 of 26 etc..


hth (if that is in fact what caused the change)
Brenda

On 6/7/2017 8:01 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
I know exactly what you are saying Brenda because I am missing this 
feature as well.


In one of Raul's mp3 tutorials on making the switch, the desktop icons 
read out their index number as he arrows around the screen.  e.g. 15 
of 26.

  Has anyone been able to duplicate this and if so, how did you do it?

Thanks
Neville.

On 8/06/2017 1:34 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

In Window-eyes the number of messages in a folder is read.
with Jaws is there a way to do this?

At least jaws reads how many unread messages in a folder, but I could 
have lots and lots of messages in my inbox and have no way to know it 
with jaws.


Also, with Jaws is there a way to find out "message 10 of 125" etc to 
know where you are in the message list?


what are Window-Eyes migrants doingabout these issues?

Thanks for any help.
Brenda
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Re: Thunderbird message amounts

[Brenda via Talk]

Hey Neville,

I have Jaws set to read the desktop that way (e.g. 15 of 26)but it 
doesn't work in TB.  I think I found the setting in the help menu under 
start-up options - I changed the verbosity to intermediate.  I'm pretty 
sure that is when the deskitop started reading 15 of 26 etc..


hth (if that is in fact what caused the change)
Brenda

On 6/7/2017 8:01 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
I know exactly what you are saying Brenda because I am missing this 
feature as well.


In one of Raul's mp3 tutorials on making the switch, the desktop icons 
read out their index number as he arrows around the screen.  e.g. 15 of 26.

  Has anyone been able to duplicate this and if so, how did you do it?

Thanks
Neville.

On 8/06/2017 1:34 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

In Window-eyes the number of messages in a folder is read.
with Jaws is there a way to do this?

At least jaws reads how many unread messages in a folder, but I could 
have lots and lots of messages in my inbox and have no way to know it 
with jaws.


Also, with Jaws is there a way to find out "message 10 of 125" etc to 
know where you are in the message list?


what are Window-Eyes migrants doingabout these issues?

Thanks for any help.
Brenda
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Re: Thunderbird message amounts

[Neville via Talk]

I know exactly what you are saying Brenda because I am missing this 
feature as well.


In one of Raul's mp3 tutorials on making the switch, the desktop icons 
read out their index number as he arrows around the screen.  e.g. 15 of 26.

 Has anyone been able to duplicate this and if so, how did you do it?

Thanks
Neville.

On 8/06/2017 1:34 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

In Window-eyes the number of messages in a folder is read.
with Jaws is there a way to do this?

At least jaws reads how many unread messages in a folder, but I could 
have lots and lots of messages in my inbox and have no way to know it 
with jaws.


Also, with Jaws is there a way to find out "message 10 of 125" etc to 
know where you are in the message list?


what are Window-Eyes migrants doingabout these issues?

Thanks for any help.
Brenda
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Re: Thunderbird message amounts

[Brenda via Talk]

Hi Marvin,

Wow, you use 3 screen readers.  I'm having enough trouble learning jaws. 
 I keep trying to use W-E commands in jaws.


Fortunately, Window-eyes doesn't freeze (hhh) with TB. I have had an 
occasional issue with FF and W-E freezing.  I'm finding jaws is 
confusing with FF.  Probably need to practice more but W-E is just so 
smooth it makes it hard to switch.


Brenda



On 6/7/2017 12:26 PM, Marvin Commerford via Talk wrote:
Hi.  I don't know of a way to do this.  WE and NVDA do this without 
making changes but Jaws just doesn't seem to handle this list in the 
same way.  I've actually stopped using Jaws with TB because there are 
also other issues that are there.  At this point in time it seems to me 
that NVDA works the best with TB since on my system WE crashes NVDA if 
you go too fast with key presses.  For me WE is still better with TB 
than Jaws even with WE's instability with it.




On 6/7/2017 10:34 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

In Window-eyes the number of messages in a folder is read.
with Jaws is there a way to do this?

At least jaws reads how many unread messages in a folder, but I could 
have lots and lots of messages in my inbox and have no way to know it 
with jaws.


Also, with Jaws is there a way to find out "message 10 of 125" etc to 
know where you are in the message list?


what are Window-Eyes migrants doingabout these issues?

Thanks for any help.
Brenda
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Re: Thunderbird message amounts

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Hi.  I don't know of a way to do this.  WE and NVDA do this without 
making changes but Jaws just doesn't seem to handle this list in the 
same way.  I've actually stopped using Jaws with TB because there are 
also other issues that are there.  At this point in time it seems to me 
that NVDA works the best with TB since on my system WE crashes NVDA if 
you go too fast with key presses.  For me WE is still better with TB 
than Jaws even with WE's instability with it.




On 6/7/2017 10:34 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

In Window-eyes the number of messages in a folder is read.
with Jaws is there a way to do this?

At least jaws reads how many unread messages in a folder, but I could 
have lots and lots of messages in my inbox and have no way to know it 
with jaws.


Also, with Jaws is there a way to find out "message 10 of 125" etc to 
know where you are in the message list?


what are Window-Eyes migrants doingabout these issues?

Thanks for any help.
Brenda
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Re: Thunderbird Question

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

I am not a Thunderbird user, but try Insert+Tab. in JAWS.

-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 9:04 AM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Thunderbird Question

If using window eyes, yes on first question, and for attachments, alt M
and arrow down to attachments. So far using Jaws with limited use, it
will tell you read or unread, but I can't get it to tell me what message
 Good Luck.number it is. For instance, one of 40.
On 5/26/2017 6:38 AM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:

Hi,
I have 2 Thunderbird questions.
The first one is does Thunderbird indicate email unread,  read, reply, and 
attachment?

Second question is how do you get to attachments in Thunderbird?
Thanks,

Pastor Gil
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Re: Thunderbird Question

[Brenda via Talk]

Using Window-Eyes with TB I get unread.  Once it is read it just says 
the message header.  I forget what Jaws does.

Brenda

On 5/26/2017 10:53 AM, Don H via Talk wrote:
It seems that the read and unread notification doesn't work with WE or 
Jaws or Nvda.  Usjually a message will have the indication of a 
attachment.  To get to the attachments go to the menu under messages and 
arrow down to attachments.


On 5/26/2017 8:38 AM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:

Hi,
I have 2 Thunderbird questions.
The first one is does Thunderbird indicate email unread,  read, reply, 
and attachment?

Second question is how do you get to attachments in Thunderbird?
Thanks,

Pastor Gil
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Re: Thunderbird Question

[Don H via Talk]

It seems that the read and unread notification doesn't work with WE or 
Jaws or Nvda.  Usjually a message will have the indication of a 
attachment.  To get to the attachments go to the menu under messages and 
arrow down to attachments.


On 5/26/2017 8:38 AM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:

Hi,
I have 2 Thunderbird questions.
The first one is does Thunderbird indicate email unread,  read, reply, and 
attachment?
Second question is how do you get to attachments in Thunderbird?
Thanks,

Pastor Gil
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Re: Thunderbird Question

[brice Mijares via Talk]

If using window eyes, yes on first question, and for attachments, alt M 
and arrow down to attachments. So far using Jaws with limited use, it 
will tell you read or unread, but I can't get it to tell me what message 
 Good Luck.number it is. For instance, one of 40.

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Hi,
I have 2 Thunderbird questions.
The first one is does Thunderbird indicate email unread,  read, reply, and 
attachment?
Second question is how do you get to attachments in Thunderbird?
Thanks,

Pastor Gil
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Re: Thunderbird accounts

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Neville,
Deleting messages and emptying the trash folder does not actually delete 
anything. It only removes them from view. You need to compact folders. 
I've been using TB for years, have countless folders and messages, and 
my %AppData%\Thunderbird folder is 59.5 Mb.
There is a threshold you can set to be prompted to compact folders in 
one of the menus, but it rarely seems to fire for me. So I've gotten 
into the habit of just doing it manually via the File menu every month 
or so when I perform other system cleanup tasks.
I have two email accounts, close the tree up to the top level of each, 
e.g. tom.kings...@charter.net (27) closed, Alt-F File, F Compact 
folders. Wait a bit and the status bar will display how much data was 
deleted.

Here's a link to Mozilla's article on compacting.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/compacting-folders#main-content
Hth,
Tom


On 5/23/2017 2:24 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi Raul,

Thanks for your reply on saving the Thunderbird folder.  Unfortunately
Tbird saves a lot of old messages in the Profile folder which can go
back years even though the trash folder can be kept clear.

My Profile folder grew to around 6 gb  although theTools, erase
recent history option was used from time to time. While doing a scan
with a newly installed Bullguard, old messages from years in the past
were displayed on the screen as they were scanned.  These messages even
included those from an old email address which had been previously
removed from the system.

The fact that old messages, which I thought had been removed when
deleted, were still around came as quite a shock.

I used the Mozilla backup tool without saving emails but with address
settings and with a fresh install of Thunderbird, the new Profile folder
with three account settings came to under 20 mb.

The Tools, remove recent history option is used more frequently these
days but my Profile folder continues to grow.  It is currently around
140 mb and when it gets to around 150 mb, the process mentioned above
will be used again.

This is why I asked if there was a simple way of saving the account
settings in a similar way to saving the address book. It would make the
setting up of a new clean Profile folder easier.

Cheers
Neville.




On 23/05/2017 3:43 AM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk wrote:

Neville, if you open the %appdata% folder, look for the Thunderbird
folder and save that. Please note the percent symbols around
%appdata%. I hope this helps.


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On 5/18/2017 11:19 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi Raul,

In a previous message, you mentioned a file in Thunderbird which
contains the address book but is there a file or folder which
contains all the account settings?  This would make a backup simple.

Thanks
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Re: Thunderbird accounts

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

Neville, if you open the %appdata% folder, look for the Thunderbird 
folder and save that. Please note the percent symbols around %appdata%. 
I hope this helps.



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On 5/18/2017 11:19 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi Raul,

In a previous message, you mentioned a file in Thunderbird which 
contains the address book but is there a file or folder which contains 
all the account settings?  This would make a backup simple.


Thanks
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Re: thunderbird questions

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

I usually uncheck the compose in html option, and set new messages to 
open in a new tab. I install the esc to close add-on and the Google 
Contacts sync add-on, but that's about it.



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On 5/12/2017 3:27 PM, Dennis Long wrote:

Is there any particular options that should  be changed?

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:08 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: thunderbird questions

Hi, sorry, but no, I will not be recording updated Thunderbird files.
Using Thunderbird with Window-Eyes still works pretty much out of the box and 
as long as you learn how to use Thunderbird itself, there is really no need.

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On 5/11/2017 11:10 PM, Dennis Long wrote:

Hi, could you please possibly record updated files?  Also where can
you get the version your using?

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Subject: Re: thunderbird questions

Hi, I'm the one who recorded those audio files. However, they are so
outdated that ti's not even funny. I can get you guys copies if you
like, but it's for such an older version that it might not be relevant any more.


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On 5/11/2017 8:30 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

There use to be a couple MP3 files on the GW web site on setting up
TB, thats all I can offer. HTH.

On 5/11/2017 12:55 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

Hi, is there an article on how to best configure Thunderbird for
screen readers?

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RE: thunderbird questions

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Is there any particular options that should  be changed?

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Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:08 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: thunderbird questions

Hi, sorry, but no, I will not be recording updated Thunderbird files. 
Using Thunderbird with Window-Eyes still works pretty much out of the box and 
as long as you learn how to use Thunderbird itself, there is really no need.

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On 5/11/2017 11:10 PM, Dennis Long wrote:
> Hi, could you please possibly record updated files?  Also where can 
> you get the version your using?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:30 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: thunderbird questions
>
> Hi, I'm the one who recorded those audio files. However, they are so 
> outdated that ti's not even funny. I can get you guys copies if you 
> like, but it's for such an older version that it might not be relevant any 
> more.
>
>
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> "Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be." - 
> David Thornburg
>
>
> On 5/11/2017 8:30 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>> There use to be a couple MP3 files on the GW web site on setting up 
>> TB, thats all I can offer. HTH.
>>
>> On 5/11/2017 12:55 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi, is there an article on how to best configure Thunderbird for 
>>> screen readers?
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Re: thunderbird questions

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

Hi, sorry, but no, I will not be recording updated Thunderbird files. 
Using Thunderbird with Window-Eyes still works pretty much out of the 
box and as long as you learn how to use Thunderbird itself, there is 
really no need.


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On 5/11/2017 11:10 PM, Dennis Long wrote:

Hi, could you please possibly record updated files?  Also where can you get
the version your using?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:30 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: thunderbird questions

Hi, I'm the one who recorded those audio files. However, they are so
outdated that ti's not even funny. I can get you guys copies if you like,
but it's for such an older version that it might not be relevant any more.


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On 5/11/2017 8:30 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

There use to be a couple MP3 files on the GW web site on setting up
TB, thats all I can offer. HTH.

On 5/11/2017 12:55 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

Hi, is there an article on how to best configure Thunderbird for
screen readers?

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RE: thunderbird questions

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Hi, could you please possibly record updated files?  Also where can you get
the version your using?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:30 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: thunderbird questions

Hi, I'm the one who recorded those audio files. However, they are so
outdated that ti's not even funny. I can get you guys copies if you like,
but it's for such an older version that it might not be relevant any more.


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> There use to be a couple MP3 files on the GW web site on setting up 
> TB, thats all I can offer. HTH.
>
> On 5/11/2017 12:55 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>> Hi, is there an article on how to best configure Thunderbird for 
>> screen readers?
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Re: thunderbird questions

[brice Mijares via Talk]

There use to be a couple MP3 files on the GW web site on setting up TB, 
thats all I can offer. HTH.


On 5/11/2017 12:55 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

Hi, is there an article on how to best configure Thunderbird for screen
readers?

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Re: thunderbird?

[Linette Sukup via Talk]

Reboot and try again. There is no scientific basis for this; it just 
very often works.


Peace.
Linette



On 2/28/2017 2:27 PM, James Wohlgamuth via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!
For some reason I have been totally unable to use ThunderBird.  This
appears to have started several days ago because before then all
worked well.  As I have stated in earlier messages, I okasionally
receive the message that thunderbird is not responding- wait on the
program to respond, or close it out.  I generally select the 'wait on
program to respond' and it eventually will.  Well now it seems to not
respond at all?  I have let it sit there fore 30 minutes and it does
nothing..?  Any suggestions on what I might try?  P.S. I have tried it
using my main screen reader Window-Eyes, NVDA and even Narator with
the same exact results.  I find it much easier to read and compose
mail using thunderbird rather than using a browser to perform these
tasks.  Any suggestions on what I might try?  Any help would be
greatly appreciated! de
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Re: Thunderbird filter construction problem

[Donald L. Roberts via Talk]

After posting my request about Thunderbird filter construction, I 
subsequently located the below message from April of 2016 by Rod 
Hutton.  Needless to say, please disregard my previous request, and 
thanks Rod for your prior assistance.


Don Roberts


On 4/18/2016 5:03 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I believe the keystroke to pull down a combo box in the filter creation wizard 
used to be Alt-DownArrow, and, also, I recall that, if the keystroke didn't 
work, you had to press spacebar on the control in order to get the darn thing 
to drop down. Smile

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Terry Bartlett via Talk
Sent: April 18, 2016 4:01 PM
To: Donald L. Roberts <donald.robert...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Thunderbird filter construction problem

Hi there, when creating a filter it should say as you tab through the options 
choose folder.
press control and down arrow and the list of folders will appear.
Use the down arrow key and you will hear local folders etc.

go to the folder you wish to have the email sent too and press enter.

Tab across to okay and this will create the filter you are making.

You can now also have email that you send to somewhere filtered.

This feature is handy!



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On 19/04/16 04:55 a.m., Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:

I have the same issue on a Windows 7 Asus laptop and a Windows 10 HP
desktop.  On each of these machines, I am running Window-eyes 9.4.

I know that this can or previously could be done as I have done it
previously although not recently.  I am constructing a filter in the
latest version of Thunderbird which will monitor incoming email
messages so as to move them into specified folders.  The process goes
fine until I get to the step where I am asked to select the folder
into which I want the messages to be moved.  I can see the list of
email accounts from which to choose.  But if I left click on any of
them, I am unceremoniously kicked back to the message list. Just what
am I missing?  I know with absolute certainty that this could be done
in previous versions of Window-eyes after which I could select using
the same method the folder into which I wanted the messages to be
moved.  So Tom or other Thunderbird users, please tell me the secret
as I frankly don't remember it.

Thanks in advance for assistance.

Don Roberts

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Re: Thunderbird question

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Or control L, or alt home key to go to your home page.

On 1/11/2017 8:23 AM, Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote:

do alt d and type in your web site address. and prwess enter.


On 1/11/2017 10:13 AM, Albert Sanchez via Talk wrote:

I mean FireFox in my previous message,
Thanks, Albert Sanchez
- Original Message - From: "Albert Sanchez via Talk"

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:00 AM
Subject: Thunderbird question



Hi List,
I am using Thunderbird on my Windows 7 system with WE 9.0 and have
the following problem. Whenever I open Tbird and enter a website to
go to it opens a website that is full of Add-ons, how do I get rid of
that so that I can open whatever website I want without this
difficulty, thanks,
Albert Sanchez
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Re: Thunderbird question

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

do alt d and type in your web site address. and prwess enter.


On 1/11/2017 10:13 AM, Albert Sanchez via Talk wrote:

I mean FireFox in my previous message,
Thanks, Albert Sanchez
- Original Message - From: "Albert Sanchez via Talk" 


To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:00 AM
Subject: Thunderbird question



Hi List,
I am using Thunderbird on my Windows 7 system with WE 9.0 and have 
the following problem. Whenever I open Tbird and enter a website to 
go to it opens a website that is full of Add-ons, how do I get rid of 
that so that I can open whatever website I want without this 
difficulty, thanks,

Albert Sanchez
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Re: Thunderbird question

[Albert Sanchez via Talk]

I mean FireFox in my previous message,
Thanks, Albert Sanchez
- Original Message - 
From: "Albert Sanchez via Talk" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:00 AM
Subject: Thunderbird question



Hi List,
I am using Thunderbird on my Windows 7 system with WE 9.0 and have the 
following problem. Whenever I open Tbird and enter a website to go to it 
opens a website that is full of Add-ons, how do I get rid of that so that 
I can open whatever website I want without this difficulty, thanks,

Albert Sanchez
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Re: Thunderbird

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I hit control w to close and then the delete key if I want to delete it 
or down

 arrow if I want to go to the next message.

On 12/14/2016 10:25 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

I'm not sure this applies, but I generally hit escape after I read a message

On 12/14/2016 9:55 AM, Michael via Talk wrote:

Hi, all.  Well, I have figured out how to change the sort order of messages.
I am now deleting unwanted messages, but I am also trying to keep certain
messages.  When I read a message and try to close it, I can't figure out how
to close it so that when I open thunderbird from the shortcut, the message
opens but I don't want it to open.How do I get the inbox to open when I
launch thunderbird.  How do I keep the message from coming up that this
message is protected, yada yada yada.



Mike M.

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Re: Thunderbird

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

I'm not sure this applies, but I generally hit escape after I read a message

On 12/14/2016 9:55 AM, Michael via Talk wrote:
> Hi, all.  Well, I have figured out how to change the sort order of messages.
> I am now deleting unwanted messages, but I am also trying to keep certain
> messages.  When I read a message and try to close it, I can't figure out how
> to close it so that when I open thunderbird from the shortcut, the message
> opens but I don't want it to open.How do I get the inbox to open when I
> launch thunderbird.  How do I keep the message from coming up that this
> message is protected, yada yada yada.
>
>
>
> Mike M.
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Re: Thunderbird

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there MIKE!

When I close Thunderbird and open it again, it generally opens in the 
last folder I was in.  One thing you might try is Shift tabbing back to 
the list of folders.  My only real issue with ThunderBird is that the 
W.E. focus tends to jump around.  Oh, I did find a solution to the 
problem of ThundrBird not responding.  I simply have to remember to keep 
each particular mailbox at a reasonable size.  I hate to say it but some 
of my mailboxes had litterally thousands of messages in them and I think 
this was causing some real issues.  Just a bit of advice.  Catch 
Ya Later! de


.i ca


On 14-Dec-16 09:55, Michael via Talk wrote:

Hi, all.  Well, I have figured out how to change the sort order of messages.
I am now deleting unwanted messages, but I am also trying to keep certain
messages.  When I read a message and try to close it, I can't figure out how
to close it so that when I open thunderbird from the shortcut, the message
opens but I don't want it to open.How do I get the inbox to open when I
launch thunderbird.  How do I keep the message from coming up that this
message is protected, yada yada yada.

  


Mike M.

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RE: Thunderbird CC Question

[Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk]

Hi,

When you're in the combo box, just press the down arrow to goto the cc or down 
arrow twice to switch to bcc.

Thanks,





Michael Micallef
Officer in charge of ICT Accessibility Certification 
and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment

Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)

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Subject: Thunderbird CC Question

I've never been able to figure out how to employ CC.  When I'm writing a 
e-mail message, and I'm in the "to" field, I pressed shift tab, and it 
says to pulldown combox closed.  I then arrowed down and it says CC 
combox closed.  Am I correct in assuming that the combo box has to be 
opened? I tried things like pressing enter or space bar and even alt-enter
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Re: Thunderbird CC Question

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Thanks, I just tried it and I think it worked.

On 12/14/2016 12:04 AM, Neville wrote:
> Hi,
> Do the following:
> From the 'To' field, press shift tab and you will reach the combo box.
>
> Press the down arrow until you reach the "cc" field and press tab.
>
> Type in the start of the email addressand press the down arrow to check
> if this is the address you want. If so, press the enter key and do the
> same for the next address.
>
> When done, hit the tab until you reach the subject line or the message
> body.
>
> This also works for the BCC field.
>
>
> HTH
> Neville.
>
> On 14/12/2016 2:46 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> I've never been able to figure out how to employ CC.  When I'm writing a
>> e-mail message, and I'm in the "to" field, I pressed shift tab, and it
>> says to pulldown combox closed.  I then arrowed down and it says CC
>> combox closed.  Am I correct in assuming that the combo box has to be
>> opened? I tried things like pressing enter or space bar and even
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Re: Thunderbird CC Question

[Neville via Talk]

Hi,
Do the following:
From the 'To' field, press shift tab and you will reach the combo box.

Press the down arrow until you reach the "cc" field and press tab.

Type in the start of the email addressand press the down arrow to check 
if this is the address you want. If so, press the enter key and do the 
same for the next address.


When done, hit the tab until you reach the subject line or the message body.

This also works for the BCC field.


HTH
Neville.

On 14/12/2016 2:46 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

I've never been able to figure out how to employ CC.  When I'm writing a
e-mail message, and I'm in the "to" field, I pressed shift tab, and it
says to pulldown combox closed.  I then arrowed down and it says CC
combox closed.  Am I correct in assuming that the combo box has to be
opened? I tried things like pressing enter or space bar and even alt-enter
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Re: Thunderbird CC Question

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Apologies - my previous message ended abruptly because I inadvertently 
sent it.  Anyway, feel free to e-mail me off list if this is not 
relevant to this discussion group.

nicksara...@msn.com

On 12/13/2016 11:46 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
> I've never been able to figure out how to employ CC.  When I'm writing a
> e-mail message, and I'm in the "to" field, I pressed shift tab, and it
> says to pulldown combox closed.  I then arrowed down and it says CC
> combox closed.  Am I correct in assuming that the combo box has to be
> opened? I tried things like pressing enter or space bar and even alt-enter
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Re: thunderbird, yet again not focusing

[Jim via Talk]

Donald, this might  be a slightly indirect way of resolving your issue, 
but when I encounter it, I simply exit W.E. and restart it by pressing 
the 'CTRL-ALT-W' and all seems to work well after this.  Wish I could 
give you a better solution but I haven't found any as of yet.  Good Luck 
& Have A Good 1! de


.


On 12-Nov-16 12:02, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Jed, that is precisely the issue which I experience. Some reading this 
thread may erroneously think that we are talking about reading 
messages when in fact we are talking about editing and re-reading 
messages which we are composing.



Don Roberts



On 11/11/2016 7:26 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,
ok, so this just makes no sense why those of you are having no 
issues. Let me explain the issue a little bit better.  As i type a 
message, i arow up and down, and i can not read the message, and can 
not edit the message.  I have no idea why
I believe browse mode is off.  There are times when i'll put browse 
mode on and it says not a valid key press after i do it.. In iother 
words i will arrow up and down and it says not a valid key press.  
Any ideas what all of this nonsense could be


On 11/11/2016 7:10 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
Yes Casey, the latest TBird works well with the latest WE.  I have 
never

used the TB app for long apart from trying it out.

Do searches for Thunderbird download and Mozilla backup utility .

As for backing up Thunderbird settings, just copy the Profile
folder,location mentioned in my original message,  which contains all
the settings.  Unfortunately this folder contains copies of previously
deleted messages and continues to grow.  Check the size occasionally 
and

you will see what I mean.

Use the Mozilla utility to get rid of these old messages.

HTH
Neville.

On 12/11/2016 3:20 AM, Casey wrote:

Hi where do you get the latest version of Thunderbird from?
Also do you use it with window-eyes the latest version of window-eyes?
If so do you have when you open A message when it starts reading.
Deos it start reading and then repete the first few words of the 
message

again or the first line of the message when it was already reading?
Now you say to bacfk up your Thunderbird.
Can you please give step by step instructions on how to do that.
thank you and have A nice day.



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Re: thunderbird, yet again not focusing

[Donald L. Roberts via Talk]

Jed, that is precisely the issue which I experience.  Some reading this 
thread may erroneously think that we are talking about reading messages 
when in fact we are talking about editing and re-reading messages which 
we are composing.



Don Roberts



On 11/11/2016 7:26 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,
ok, so this just makes no sense why those of you are having no issues. 
Let me explain the issue a little bit better.  As i type a message, i 
arow up and down, and i can not read the message, and can not edit the 
message.  I have no idea why
I believe browse mode is off.  There are times when i'll put browse 
mode on and it says not a valid key press after i do it.. In iother 
words i will arrow up and down and it says not a valid key press.  Any 
ideas what all of this nonsense could be


On 11/11/2016 7:10 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Yes Casey, the latest TBird works well with the latest WE.  I have never
used the TB app for long apart from trying it out.

Do searches for Thunderbird download and Mozilla backup utility .

As for backing up Thunderbird settings, just copy the Profile
folder,location mentioned in my original message,  which contains all
the settings.  Unfortunately this folder contains copies of previously
deleted messages and continues to grow.  Check the size occasionally and
you will see what I mean.

Use the Mozilla utility to get rid of these old messages.

HTH
Neville.

On 12/11/2016 3:20 AM, Casey wrote:

Hi where do you get the latest version of Thunderbird from?
Also do you use it with window-eyes the latest version of window-eyes?
If so do you have when you open A message when it starts reading.
Deos it start reading and then repete the first few words of the 
message

again or the first line of the message when it was already reading?
Now you say to bacfk up your Thunderbird.
Can you please give step by step instructions on how to do that.
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Re: thunderbird, yet again not focusing

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Jed,

Here's a few suggestions.

first, never turn on browse mode in a composition window. that puts it 
in a strange state and you have to close and reopen TB to get it back to 
normal.


Make the following changes.
Alt-T Tools, O Options.
Arrow down to Advanced.
Tab once and make sure you're on the General tab. If not arrow left to it.
Tab down to Use hardware acceleration when available and uncheck it if 
it's checked.

Tab again to the Config editor button and press the spacebar.
If a dialog pops up with a warming just tab to the I'll be careful 
button and press the spacebar.

You should land in a search edit box.
If by any chance you discover that browse mode is on here toggle it off.
Enter direct2d.disabled
Tab to the list of entries.
You should see gfx.direct2d.disabled true or false.
If it's false press the application key to open the context menu and 
press enter on Toggle to change it to true.

Shift-Tab back up to the search edit box.
 Enter layers.acceleration.disabled
Tab back down into the list.
 You should see layers.acceleration.disabled true or false.
Again if it's false press the application key and toggle it to true.
Control-W to close the editor.
Tab to the OK button and press spacebar.
This should return you to the main TB window.
Cross your fingers, say a prayer, knock on wood, throw salt over your 
shoulder, then close TB, take a shot of Irish whiskey, and reopen TB


Hth,
Tom


On 11/11/2016 10:26 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,
ok, so this just makes no sense why those of you are having no issues.
Let me explain the issue a little bit better.  As i type a message, i
arow up and down, and i can not read the message, and can not edit the
message.  I have no idea why
I believe browse mode is off.  There are times when i'll put browse mode
on and it says not a valid key press after i do it..  In iother words i
will arrow up and down and it says not a valid key press.  Any ideas
what all of this nonsense could be

On 11/11/2016 7:10 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Yes Casey, the latest TBird works well with the latest WE.  I have never
used the TB app for long apart from trying it out.

Do searches for Thunderbird download and Mozilla backup utility .

As for backing up Thunderbird settings, just copy the Profile
folder,location mentioned in my original message,  which contains all
the settings.  Unfortunately this folder contains copies of previously
deleted messages and continues to grow.  Check the size occasionally and
you will see what I mean.

Use the Mozilla utility to get rid of these old messages.

HTH
Neville.

On 12/11/2016 3:20 AM, Casey wrote:

Hi where do you get the latest version of Thunderbird from?
Also do you use it with window-eyes the latest version of window-eyes?
If so do you have when you open A message when it starts reading.
Deos it start reading and then repete the first few words of the message
again or the first line of the message when it was already reading?
Now you say to bacfk up your Thunderbird.
Can you please give step by step instructions on how to do that.
thank you and have A nice day.



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Re: thunderbird, yet again not focusing

[Neville via Talk]

Larry,
You are not risking anything by trying the Mozilla backup utility if 
first you make a copy of your existing Profile folder.   If you don't 
like the results made by the utility then just copy back the Profile 
folder and you are back where you started.

 Neville.


On 12/11/2016 10:28 AM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Nevil, thanks for that helpful info. I am at a stage where I guess if it
aint broke, don't fix it. However, I just don't like the thought of that
file growing like the blob, and eating up an inordinate amount of space.
I have a tarabite, but it is just the principle of the thing ya know.
.



On 11/11/2016 5:56 PM, Neville wrote:

Hi Larry,

Yes the Mozilla backup utility is out of date but it worked perfectly
for me just a couple of months ago.  If the backup utility is not used,
I don't know how to back up the settings in the Profile folder.  The
Profile folder itself can be backed up and used if necessary but then
all the old messages are included.  This is why mine grew to 6 gb in
size.
But, if you are in doubt about using  the utility, then backup the
Profile folder and if the utility screws things up, then just copy the
Profile back and you are back in business.
HTH
Neville.

On 12/11/2016 1:26 AM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Nevil,

I went looking for the Mozilla backup utility, and one of the  sites  I
visited, it said that the utility was no longer being supported, so use
at one's own risk.

I took a look at my own profiles folder, and found that it was up to
1.02gb, so would like to have a means of reducing its size, or something
 like it, but not sure about the utility since the Mozilla people are no
longer standing behind it.

Any other ideas, or could you or anyone else some how reassure me that I
am not taking a big chance on this one?

Thanks,

Larry
On 11/11/2016 12:37 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi,
I have been using Thunderbird for years wityhout the problems you
mention.  As I don't know what you have already tried,here are some
suggestions.
Download the latest version of TBird and save it somewhere
handy.Install
it if you are not using the latest version.

Some time ago I heard there were problems using speech with the 64 bit
version so I use the 32 bit version on my 64 bit system whithout any
dramas.

Remove or turn off the Thunderbird  app.  It works well without it.

Get a pair of eyes to check out the screen while loading and also while
in Thunderbird to see if there is some message or other blocking the
screen.

If all fails,save the existing Profile folder elsewhere just for safe
keeping. You could just rename the three files or folders if desired.


use the Mozilla backup utility to save the Profile contents without
backing up the emails.  This will reduce the size of the file
dramatically and hopefully get rid of problems.
Regardless of what you do, the Profile folder continues to grow.
Recently mine grew to 6 g b after years of use and after the Mozilla
backup utility was used, it fell down to under 20 mb.

If you have got nowhere with your problem, then un-installTB and make
sure the profile folder is gone.  i.e. user, appdata, roaming,
Thunderbird.

Reboot your system.

Then using the TB programme  copy you downloaded previously, install TB
creating a new empty Profile folder.  Run the Mozilla backup utility
which will prompt for the previously backed up file. This file contains
all your email settings etc. If you are not sure about which setting to
check or uncheck when making the backup, then make a few backup files
with different settings.

Remember,  I suggested you backup the Profile folder earlier in case
something goes wrong.


HTH
Neville.



On 11/11/2016 3:20 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,

I can not take this thunderbird problem any more.  It is completely
and
utterly unacceptable, it totally baffles me why this is happening.
Thunderbird has some very serious issues.  it is costing me many hours
throughout the course of a week, because the stupi program can't even
focus on a message i am typing.
Does anyone have a clue, any clue at all?  It's not acceptable at all,
totally inexcusable why a simple email program isn't focusing.  I
shouldn't have to shift tab and tab to re-focus the window at all.
Has anyone gotten it work work somewhat reliably?  I am using
window-eyes the latest version, windows 10 and the latest
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Re: thunderbird, yet again not focusing

[Jed Barton via Talk]

Hey guys,
ok, so this just makes no sense why those of you are having no issues. 
Let me explain the issue a little bit better.  As i type a message, i 
arow up and down, and i can not read the message, and can not edit the 
message.  I have no idea why
I believe browse mode is off.  There are times when i'll put browse mode 
on and it says not a valid key press after i do it..  In iother words i 
will arrow up and down and it says not a valid key press.  Any ideas 
what all of this nonsense could be


On 11/11/2016 7:10 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Yes Casey, the latest TBird works well with the latest WE.  I have never
used the TB app for long apart from trying it out.

Do searches for Thunderbird download and Mozilla backup utility .

As for backing up Thunderbird settings, just copy the Profile
folder,location mentioned in my original message,  which contains all
the settings.  Unfortunately this folder contains copies of previously
deleted messages and continues to grow.  Check the size occasionally and
you will see what I mean.

Use the Mozilla utility to get rid of these old messages.

HTH
Neville.

On 12/11/2016 3:20 AM, Casey wrote:

Hi where do you get the latest version of Thunderbird from?
Also do you use it with window-eyes the latest version of window-eyes?
If so do you have when you open A message when it starts reading.
Deos it start reading and then repete the first few words of the message
again or the first line of the message when it was already reading?
Now you say to bacfk up your Thunderbird.
Can you please give step by step instructions on how to do that.
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Re: thunderbird, yet again not focusing

[Neville via Talk]

Yes Casey, the latest TBird works well with the latest WE.  I have never 
used the TB app for long apart from trying it out.


Do searches for Thunderbird download and Mozilla backup utility .

As for backing up Thunderbird settings, just copy the Profile 
folder,location mentioned in my original message,  which contains all 
the settings.  Unfortunately this folder contains copies of previously 
deleted messages and continues to grow.  Check the size occasionally and 
you will see what I mean.


Use the Mozilla utility to get rid of these old messages.

HTH
Neville.

On 12/11/2016 3:20 AM, Casey wrote:

Hi where do you get the latest version of Thunderbird from?
Also do you use it with window-eyes the latest version of window-eyes?
If so do you have when you open A message when it starts reading.
Deos it start reading and then repete the first few words of the message
again or the first line of the message when it was already reading?
Now you say to bacfk up your Thunderbird.
Can you please give step by step instructions on how to do that.
thank you and have A nice day.



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Re: thunderbird, yet again not focusing

[Neville via Talk]

Hi Larry,

Yes the Mozilla backup utility is out of date but it worked perfectly 
for me just a couple of months ago.  If the backup utility is not used, 
I don't know how to back up the settings in the Profile folder.  The 
Profile folder itself can be backed up and used if necessary but then 
all the old messages are included.  This is why mine grew to 6 gb in size.
But, if you are in doubt about using  the utility, then backup the 
Profile folder and if the utility screws things up, then just copy the 
Profile back and you are back in business.

HTH
Neville.

On 12/11/2016 1:26 AM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Nevil,

I went looking for the Mozilla backup utility, and one of the  sites  I
visited, it said that the utility was no longer being supported, so use
at one's own risk.

I took a look at my own profiles folder, and found that it was up to
1.02gb, so would like to have a means of reducing its size, or something
 like it, but not sure about the utility since the Mozilla people are no
longer standing behind it.

Any other ideas, or could you or anyone else some how reassure me that I
am not taking a big chance on this one?

Thanks,

Larry
On 11/11/2016 12:37 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi,
I have been using Thunderbird for years wityhout the problems you
mention.  As I don't know what you have already tried,here are some
suggestions.
Download the latest version of TBird and save it somewhere handy.Install
it if you are not using the latest version.

Some time ago I heard there were problems using speech with the 64 bit
version so I use the 32 bit version on my 64 bit system whithout any
dramas.

Remove or turn off the Thunderbird  app.  It works well without it.

Get a pair of eyes to check out the screen while loading and also while
in Thunderbird to see if there is some message or other blocking the
screen.

If all fails,save the existing Profile folder elsewhere just for safe
keeping. You could just rename the three files or folders if desired.


use the Mozilla backup utility to save the Profile contents without
backing up the emails.  This will reduce the size of the file
dramatically and hopefully get rid of problems.
Regardless of what you do, the Profile folder continues to grow.
Recently mine grew to 6 g b after years of use and after the Mozilla
backup utility was used, it fell down to under 20 mb.

If you have got nowhere with your problem, then un-installTB and make
sure the profile folder is gone.  i.e. user, appdata, roaming,
Thunderbird.

Reboot your system.

Then using the TB programme  copy you downloaded previously, install TB
creating a new empty Profile folder.  Run the Mozilla backup utility
which will prompt for the previously backed up file. This file contains
all your email settings etc. If you are not sure about which setting to
check or uncheck when making the backup, then make a few backup files
with different settings.

Remember,  I suggested you backup the Profile folder earlier in case
something goes wrong.


HTH
Neville.



On 11/11/2016 3:20 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,

I can not take this thunderbird problem any more.  It is completely and
utterly unacceptable, it totally baffles me why this is happening.
Thunderbird has some very serious issues.  it is costing me many hours
throughout the course of a week, because the stupi program can't even
focus on a message i am typing.
Does anyone have a clue, any clue at all?  It's not acceptable at all,
totally inexcusable why a simple email program isn't focusing.  I
shouldn't have to shift tab and tab to re-focus the window at all.
Has anyone gotten it work work somewhat reliably?  I am using
window-eyes the latest version, windows 10 and the latest
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Re: thunderbird, yet again not focusing

[Casey via Talk]

Hi where do you get the latest version of Thunderbird from?
Also do you use it with window-eyes the latest version of window-eyes?
If so do you have when you open A message when it starts reading.
Deos it start reading and then repete the first few words of the message 
again or the first line of the message when it was already reading?

Now you say to bacfk up your Thunderbird.
Can you please give step by step instructions on how to do that.
thank you and have A nice day.


--
Casey
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Re: thunderbird, yet again not focusing

[Donald L. Roberts via Talk]

I certainly agree with Jed's comments although unfortunately I do not 
have a solution.



Don Roberts



On 11/10/2016 9:20 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,

I can not take this thunderbird problem any more.  It is completely 
and utterly unacceptable, it totally baffles me why this is happening.
Thunderbird has some very serious issues.  it is costing me many hours 
throughout the course of a week, because the stupi program can't even 
focus on a message i am typing.
Does anyone have a clue, any clue at all?  It's not acceptable at all, 
totally inexcusable why a simple email program isn't focusing.  I 
shouldn't have to shift tab and tab to re-focus the window at all.
Has anyone gotten it work work somewhat reliably?  I am using 
window-eyes the latest version, windows 10 and the latest

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Re: thunderbird, yet again not focusing

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Nevil,

I went looking for the Mozilla backup utility, and one of the  sites  I 
visited, it said that the utility was no longer being supported, so use 
at one's own risk.


I took a look at my own profiles folder, and found that it was up to 
1.02gb, so would like to have a means of reducing its size, or something 
 like it, but not sure about the utility since the Mozilla people are 
no longer standing behind it.


Any other ideas, or could you or anyone else some how reassure me that I 
am not taking a big chance on this one?


Thanks,

Larry
On 11/11/2016 12:37 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi,
I have been using Thunderbird for years wityhout the problems you
mention.  As I don't know what you have already tried,here are some
suggestions.
Download the latest version of TBird and save it somewhere handy.Install
it if you are not using the latest version.

Some time ago I heard there were problems using speech with the 64 bit
version so I use the 32 bit version on my 64 bit system whithout any
dramas.

Remove or turn off the Thunderbird  app.  It works well without it.

Get a pair of eyes to check out the screen while loading and also while
in Thunderbird to see if there is some message or other blocking the
screen.

If all fails,save the existing Profile folder elsewhere just for safe
keeping. You could just rename the three files or folders if desired.


use the Mozilla backup utility to save the Profile contents without
backing up the emails.  This will reduce the size of the file
dramatically and hopefully get rid of problems.
Regardless of what you do, the Profile folder continues to grow.
Recently mine grew to 6 g b after years of use and after the Mozilla
backup utility was used, it fell down to under 20 mb.

If you have got nowhere with your problem, then un-installTB and make
sure the profile folder is gone.  i.e. user, appdata, roaming, Thunderbird.

Reboot your system.

Then using the TB programme  copy you downloaded previously, install TB
creating a new empty Profile folder.  Run the Mozilla backup utility
which will prompt for the previously backed up file. This file contains
all your email settings etc. If you are not sure about which setting to
check or uncheck when making the backup, then make a few backup files
with different settings.

Remember,  I suggested you backup the Profile folder earlier in case
something goes wrong.


HTH
Neville.



On 11/11/2016 3:20 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,

I can not take this thunderbird problem any more.  It is completely and
utterly unacceptable, it totally baffles me why this is happening.
Thunderbird has some very serious issues.  it is costing me many hours
throughout the course of a week, because the stupi program can't even
focus on a message i am typing.
Does anyone have a clue, any clue at all?  It's not acceptable at all,
totally inexcusable why a simple email program isn't focusing.  I
shouldn't have to shift tab and tab to re-focus the window at all.
Has anyone gotten it work work somewhat reliably?  I am using
window-eyes the latest version, windows 10 and the latest
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Re: thunderbird, yet again not focusing

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I've been using TB for about a month now on a laptop running windows 
ten. I haven't experienced the issue you've described. Make sure the 
window eyes TB app is loaded when using TB. Good Luck.


On 11/10/2016 9:20 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,

I can not take this thunderbird problem any more.  It is completely and
utterly unacceptable, it totally baffles me why this is happening.
Thunderbird has some very serious issues.  it is costing me many hours
throughout the course of a week, because the stupi program can't even
focus on a message i am typing.
Does anyone have a clue, any clue at all?  It's not acceptable at all,
totally inexcusable why a simple email program isn't focusing.  I
shouldn't have to shift tab and tab to re-focus the window at all.
Has anyone gotten it work work somewhat reliably?  I am using
window-eyes the latest version, windows 10 and the latest
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Re: thunderbird, yet again not focusing

[Neville via Talk]

Hi,
I have been using Thunderbird for years wityhout the problems you 
mention.  As I don't know what you have already tried,here are some 
suggestions.
Download the latest version of TBird and save it somewhere handy.Install 
it if you are not using the latest version.


Some time ago I heard there were problems using speech with the 64 bit 
version so I use the 32 bit version on my 64 bit system whithout any 
dramas.


Remove or turn off the Thunderbird  app.  It works well without it.

Get a pair of eyes to check out the screen while loading and also while 
in Thunderbird to see if there is some message or other blocking the screen.


If all fails,save the existing Profile folder elsewhere just for safe 
keeping. You could just rename the three files or folders if desired.



use the Mozilla backup utility to save the Profile contents without 
backing up the emails.  This will reduce the size of the file 
dramatically and hopefully get rid of problems.
Regardless of what you do, the Profile folder continues to grow. 
Recently mine grew to 6 g b after years of use and after the Mozilla 
backup utility was used, it fell down to under 20 mb.


If you have got nowhere with your problem, then un-installTB and make 
sure the profile folder is gone.  i.e. user, appdata, roaming, 
Thunderbird.


Reboot your system.

Then using the TB programme  copy you downloaded previously, install TB 
creating a new empty Profile folder.  Run the Mozilla backup utility 
which will prompt for the previously backed up file. This file contains 
all your email settings etc. If you are not sure about which setting to 
check or uncheck when making the backup, then make a few backup files 
with different settings.


Remember,  I suggested you backup the Profile folder earlier in case 
something goes wrong.



HTH
Neville.



On 11/11/2016 3:20 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,

I can not take this thunderbird problem any more.  It is completely and
utterly unacceptable, it totally baffles me why this is happening.
Thunderbird has some very serious issues.  it is costing me many hours
throughout the course of a week, because the stupi program can't even
focus on a message i am typing.
Does anyone have a clue, any clue at all?  It's not acceptable at all,
totally inexcusable why a simple email program isn't focusing.  I
shouldn't have to shift tab and tab to re-focus the window at all.
Has anyone gotten it work work somewhat reliably?  I am using
window-eyes the latest version, windows 10 and the latest
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Re: Thunderbird problems

[Jim via Talk]

Don, when I experience this issue, I do the ctrl + bacslash  turn off 
the speech and then simply restart it by pressing the CTRL+ALT+W


 to restart the speech and it works for me about 95 percent of the 
time.  Just a suggestion, Good Luck and Have A Good 1! de.

On 04-Nov-16 18:05, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
I'm running Window-eyes 9.5.3 on an HP desktop with an operating 
system of Windows 1511.



My version of Thunderbird is 45.4 although this problem goes back at 
least to 45.0 if not earlier.  Although I have no problems reading 
messages, whenever I compose a message, I am not able to re-read the 
text which I have written.  It's as if the message being composed were 
completely blank except for the subject and the to field.  I am 
seeking opinions from persons who have actually experienced this 
rather than from someone speculating about it.  Is there a fix rather 
than just changing to a different email reader?  I have tried two 
other screen readers with similar results.  I am also wondering 
whether the issue is something peculiar to this Windows 10 machine, or 
is it something to do with the way Thunderbird is written?



Thanks for listening.


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Re: thunderbird not able to focus

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Agreed.


My braille display also simply says "autoblank"


I'm guessing that as Thunderbird seems to default for message write to 
html, something naughty is happening with the interaction Browse Mode.



I can arrow through and edit composed text.


Vaughan.




On 10/29/2016 12:33 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,

OK, it's a serious problem with the latest window-eyes and 
thunderbird. I can not focus on any of my message text that i am 
typing in an email. I arrow up and down, and it's just blank.  Can 
anyone help?  This is super annoying.

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Re: thunderbird not able to focus

[Jim via Talk]

Hi!

Not certain of when you get this issue, but when I do, I simply reload 
Window-Eyes by turning it off with the CTRL-backslash and then the alt 
F-4 then restarting the speech with the ctrl+alt+W.   and this usually 
takes care of the problem.  Good Luck & 73 de .



On 28-Oct-16 19:33, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,

OK, it's a serious problem with the latest window-eyes and 
thunderbird. I can not focus on any of my message text that i am 
typing in an email. I arrow up and down, and it's just blank.  Can 
anyone help?  This is super annoying.

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Re: Thunderbird

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

I have found that simply hitting the delete key works, you could also 
try hitting the letter A.

On 10/14/2016 10:16 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
> For the past 20 years I've used control D to delete email messages as I
> go through them, so it's hard to make a change as it's become an
> automatic reaction.   Is there a different key combo the will delete the
> message other than lifting my hand to  the top of the laptop where the
> Del key is located on my laptop? Windows ten, window eyes 9.5.3.0 and
> Thunderbird. Thanks
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Re: Thunderbird -- setting up a group message

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Not sure if this applies, but hit enter instead of space or coma, once 
you hear the first name repeated.

On 10/4/2016 11:47 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
> Hello, ,
>
> I want to set up a group mailing list for perhaps eight persons.  I
> can't figure out how to do this in Thunderbird.  I went to the address
> book list, hit alt n, named the list book club, tabbed past description
> to the edit box and entered a name in my address book.  But where do I
> go from here?  I tried following the name with a comma and a space after
> which I repeated this procedure with five or six other names in my
> address book.  Still only the first name listed shows.  What am I missing?
>
>
> On a related topic, has anyone come up with a viable solution to the
> problem of repetition of the subject line during the reading of a
> message in Thunderbird?  Frankly, although I haven't tested extensively,
> this is not unique to Window-eyes.  What do the rest of you think?
>
>
> Don Roberts
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Re: ThunderBird and Window-Eyes

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

I also notice that when I tab to an email address, I can't cursor over 
it character by charactor so as to copy the address, or get an 
understanding of what it exactly is.  In Eudora, we could cursor through 
the message on everything.  Any workarounds?--Matthew Chao





On 9/30/2016 9:03 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
I am only having problems using the mouse pointer in TB. But, its 
seems as if it don't work in most apps in windows ten.


On 9/30/2016 5:25 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi Richard and Matt!

I am running the latest version of ThunderBird and W.E. on a Win10
machine,and the only real issue I continue to have is with ThunderBird
just quitting whenever it feels like it.  I have no idea of just
what to do to resolve this issue,  I have reloaded ThunderBird and  W.E.
several times over, with the same results.  Aside from that very
annoying issue I have had no other problems serious or otherwise.  If
someone has a solution to the ThundrBird not responding issue, I would
greatly appreciate hering it! BTW, I have had this ThunderBird Issue
since a few weeks before I upgraded to Win10.Thanks & 73 de
.


On 30-Sep-16 16:26, Richard Jarvis via Talk wrote:

I have the latest thunderbird and win-eyes and have no problems at all.
I listened to the pod cast from Mark Solomon and set up t-bird like he
said and it has worked just fine ever since.  I hope you find your
answers soon.

On 9/29/2016 11:40 AM, Brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

It seems as if all thunderbird users are on vacation. I and a couple
others asked questions yesterday with little or no response.
- Original Message - From: "Matthew Chao via Talk"

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 9:30 AM
Subject: WE Not Working Right Using Thunderbird


Hi, Folks.  I'm noticing that when I try to read emails in 
Thunderbird

that I can't read them either using ctrl-shift-r or using the cursor.
Sometimes when I reboot the system it works, sometimes not.  Besides
Jed, has anyone else experienced this problem?  Very frustrating.  Am
using Windows 10.  Thanbkks in advance.--Matthew Chao


P.S.  I can write and send emails, and am using the most current
version of window-Eyes.


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Re: ThunderBird and Window-Eyes

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I am only having problems using the mouse pointer in TB. But, its seems 
as if it don't work in most apps in windows ten.


On 9/30/2016 5:25 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi Richard and Matt!

I am running the latest version of ThunderBird and W.E. on a Win10
machine,and the only real issue I continue to have is with ThunderBird
just quitting whenever it feels like it.  I have no idea of just
what to do to resolve this issue,  I have reloaded ThunderBird and  W.E.
several times over, with the same results.  Aside from that very
annoying issue I have had no other problems serious or otherwise.  If
someone has a solution to the ThundrBird not responding issue, I would
greatly appreciate hering it! BTW, I have had this ThunderBird Issue
since a few weeks before I upgraded to Win10.Thanks & 73 de
.


On 30-Sep-16 16:26, Richard Jarvis via Talk wrote:

I have the latest thunderbird and win-eyes and have no problems at all.
I listened to the pod cast from Mark Solomon and set up t-bird like he
said and it has worked just fine ever since.  I hope you find your
answers soon.

On 9/29/2016 11:40 AM, Brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

It seems as if all thunderbird users are on vacation. I and a couple
others asked questions yesterday with little or no  response.
- Original Message - From: "Matthew Chao via Talk"

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 9:30 AM
Subject: WE Not Working Right Using Thunderbird



Hi, Folks.  I'm noticing that when I try to read emails in Thunderbird
that I can't read them either using ctrl-shift-r or using the cursor.
Sometimes when I reboot the system it works, sometimes not.  Besides
Jed, has anyone else experienced this problem?  Very frustrating.  Am
using Windows 10.  Thanbkks in advance.--Matthew Chao


P.S.  I can write and send emails, and am using the most current
version of window-Eyes.


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Re: ThunderBird frustrations continued

[Casey via Talk]

Hi where can you get this tool and how easy is it do use with window-eyes?
--
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Re: ThunderBird frustrations continued

[Neville via Talk]

Hi,
Have you tried compacting found on the file menu.  Also removing the 
history found under the Tools menu


As a desperate measure,  you could try the following.
It would be worth taking a copy of the profile folder before doing the 
following.  This is only in case something goes wrong.


1.  Backup your Thunderrbird settings with the Mozbackup utility. Don't 
just take a copy of the Profile folder and paste it back later. The 
profile folder continues to grow regardless of what you do. My Profile 
folder grew to around 6.5 gb but when backed up with the Mozback utility 
without emails and history, it came down to around 13 mb.



2.  Un-install Tbird making sure the old profile folder is gone. 
Install the latestThunderbird with an empty profile folder.  Use 
theMozbackup utility to put back the settings.


I recently did this to get rid of the huge profile folder.


HTH
Neville.


On 14/09/2016 10:56 AM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there GROUP!

It seems as though no matter what I try, including trying other
screenreaders, I continue to get ttotally frustrated with ThunderBird.
While reading messages thunderbird just stops.  I press the 'ctrl+w' to
reactivate W.E. and then I have to press 'alt+F4' to wait on the program
to respond or tab to "end program'.  And if I wait on the program to
retrieve new mail, this will usually unlock ThunderBird.I have tried
everything I could think of to try and fix this problem  but absolutely
nothing appears to resolve this issue..? I guess I am going to have to
brake down and get Becky-eMail.  Hopefully this will resolve my
issue..!  Can anyone think of anything elease I can try?  THANKS MUCH! de

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Re: Thunderbird and it repeting the first few lines of A message

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

I was able to do that for a while, but it seems as though it moves to 
the middle of the message now, instead of reading from the top.  Of 
course, if I use my way of using control-alt-w, and close Thunderbird, 
it is back like I had not closed Window-eyes. It loads so fast that I 
don't mind waiting for WE to reload as it has made my email work much 
better.


Carol


On 8/19/2016 7:26 AM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:

Hi,


Rather than restarting Window-Eyes, I just stop W-E from reading the 
message and restart reading with control-shift-R.  That works for me.  
I hope that this thunderbird problem gets fixed soon!



Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 8/18/2016 11:45 PM, Casey via Talk wrote:

Hi thanks to another Lister hear.
I tried the suggestion of when I open Thunderbird and after right is 
open.

Hit my ALT control w and of course window-eyes reloads again.
But yes the repeating the first line or few words in an e-mail 
message is gone.

So why is this?
And maybe in the next release of window-eyes Thunderbird can be taken 
A look and at and find out why it is doing what it does.

And maybe we will get A fix for it.
Thank you all and hope this can be corrected soon.




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Re: Thunderbird and it repeting the first few lines of A message

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

This happens whether you are using thunderbird or windows live mail.  And 
then it interrupts the message to tell you how many links there are.  It 
would have been nice if it had said all that before it started to read the 
message at all.  I haven't tried reloading window eyes to see if it stopped, 
but I have the feeling it doesn't on my computer using windows live mail. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Casey via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:45 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Thunderbird and it repeting the first few lines of A message

Hi thanks to another Lister hear.
I tried the suggestion of when I open Thunderbird and after right is open.
Hit my ALT control w and of course window-eyes reloads again.
But yes the repeating the first line or few words in an e-mail message
is gone.
So why is this?
And maybe in the next release of window-eyes Thunderbird can be taken A
look and at and find out why it is doing what it does.
And maybe we will get A fix for it.
Thank you all and hope this can be corrected soon.


--
Casey
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Re: Thunderbird and it repeting the first few lines of A message

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


Rather than restarting Window-Eyes, I just stop W-E from reading the 
message and restart reading with control-shift-R.  That works for me.  I 
hope that this thunderbird problem gets fixed soon!



Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 8/18/2016 11:45 PM, Casey via Talk wrote:

Hi thanks to another Lister hear.
I tried the suggestion of when I open Thunderbird and after right is 
open.

Hit my ALT control w and of course window-eyes reloads again.
But yes the repeating the first line or few words in an e-mail message 
is gone.

So why is this?
And maybe in the next release of window-eyes Thunderbird can be taken 
A look and at and find out why it is doing what it does.

And maybe we will get A fix for it.
Thank you all and hope this can be corrected soon.




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Re: Thunderbird Focus issues

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

Ok, when using nvda, and Jaws they work just fine with thunderbird.

Window eyes is the problem the thunderbird set files aren't even loaded 
you have to manually unload and thenload them before they are active.


But that does not fix the back space issue when ereasing what you have 
written.


I Know several people who are strong window eyes users that switched 
either to nvda or jaws.


Because of thunderbird issues, and browse mode issues.

Ihave been a window eyes user for more then ten years but as of late use 
window eyes very seldomly.



On 5/25/2016 8:38 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:

Hi Jed,
Well, like you, I do experience many problems with TB.  In fact, not 
sure why so many think it is so great, I don't but I am using it.  I 
also think that there are a few problems with WE and focus both with 
TB and other programs.  One thing I have noticed is that often, WE 
does not have the proper set file loaded.  Just before writing this 
note, I was in TB with the mailbox list opened and I went to the WE 
control panel only to find that the active set file was Wineyes.set.  
I have witnessed this behavior in other situations including when I 
write a reply to an email.  It is not consistent.  I just interrupted 
my composing to see if I could use arrow and numpad keys.  The left 
arrow and right arrow keys do move but not the up and down arrows.  
Interestingly enough, the numpad keys do nothing except giving the 
frustyrating ding. However, If I use the shift with numpad keys they 
seem to work properly and text is either selected or deselected.
I am currently running the latest version of TB and WE on a new 
Toshiba Satellite laptop.  I have been wondering if there is some 
peculiarity with the system settings for the keyboard.  I have found a 
setting that says "use the numpad keys to move the mouse".  I did 
change this setting but can't figure out what changes occurred.  
Unlike my previous laptop, this new one has the numpad on the keyboard 
whereas before, I used and external numpad.  In that situation, I was 
able to use the keys on the external numpad to move around on the 
desktop but with the new machine, I cannot.  However, if I hold down 
the shift key, then the numpad keys do allow the reading of items on 
the desktop and I can move up and down as well as left to right.  So, 
I think there is something amiss. Another reason I think there are 
focus problems with WE is that often WE will speak things from recent 
past, that is, it will speak either something from a previous web page 
or from another message.  So, I continue to have the same frustrations.


On 5/25/2016 1:35 AM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,

OK, my frustration is getting bigger with thunderbird.  I am running the
latest TB, we 9.4, and eyt again on a brand new computer, still having
the issues where i can't read up and down with my arrow keys in TB.  I
have to keep re-focusing.  Is anyone else having this problem? This is
getting very old, and i'm pretty tired of it. It's quite frankly
unacceptable  While writing this message, i just tried going left and
right with the arrow keys, and it literally says nothing.  Any ideas?
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Re: Thunderbird Focus issues

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Jed,
Well, like you, I do experience many problems with TB.  In fact, not 
sure why so many think it is so great, I don't but I am using it.  I 
also think that there are a few problems with WE and focus both with TB 
and other programs.  One thing I have noticed is that often, WE does not 
have the proper set file loaded.  Just before writing this note, I was 
in TB with the mailbox list opened and I went to the WE control panel 
only to find that the active set file was Wineyes.set.  I have witnessed 
this behavior in other situations including when I write a reply to an 
email.  It is not consistent.  I just interrupted my composing to see if 
I could use arrow and numpad keys.  The left arrow and right arrow keys 
do move but not the up and down arrows.  Interestingly enough, the 
numpad keys do nothing except giving the frustyrating ding.  However, If 
I use the shift with numpad keys they seem to work properly and text is 
either selected or deselected.
I am currently running the latest version of TB and WE on a new Toshiba 
Satellite laptop.  I have been wondering if there is some peculiarity 
with the system settings for the keyboard.  I have found a setting that 
says "use the numpad keys to move the mouse".  I did change this setting 
but can't figure out what changes occurred.  Unlike my previous laptop, 
this new one has the numpad on the keyboard whereas before, I used and 
external numpad.  In that situation, I was able to use the keys on the 
external numpad to move around on the desktop but with the new machine, 
I cannot.  However, if I hold down the shift key, then the numpad keys 
do allow the reading of items on the desktop and I can move up and down 
as well as left to right.  So, I think there is something amiss. 
Another reason I think there are focus problems with WE is that often WE 
will speak things from recent past, that is, it will speak either 
something from a previous web page or from another message.  So, I 
continue to have the same frustrations.


On 5/25/2016 1:35 AM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,

OK, my frustration is getting bigger with thunderbird.  I am running the
latest TB, we 9.4, and eyt again on a brand new computer, still having
the issues where i can't read up and down with my arrow keys in TB.  I
have to keep re-focusing.  Is anyone else having this problem?  This is
getting very old, and i'm pretty tired of it. It's quite frankly
unacceptable  While writing this message, i just tried going left and
right with the arrow keys, and it literally says nothing.  Any ideas?
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RE: Thunderbird Focus issues

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Go to accounts options composition and addressing.  Uncheck compose messages in 
html.

Chris


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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Jed Barton via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 1:36 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Thunderbird Focus issues

Hey guys,

OK, my frustration is getting bigger with thunderbird.  I am running the 
latest TB, we 9.4, and eyt again on a brand new computer, still having 
the issues where i can't read up and down with my arrow keys in TB.  I 
have to keep re-focusing.  Is anyone else having this problem?  This is 
getting very old, and i'm pretty tired of it. It's quite frankly 
unacceptable  While writing this message, i just tried going left and 
right with the arrow keys, and it literally says nothing.  Any ideas?
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Re: Thunderbird thinks this message is junk.

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there Folks!
I have this problem from time to time, and I simply highlight the 
offending message and press the 'Windows Context Menu Key' and arrow 
down to 'Not Junk' And press enter.  Problem dismissed! Good Luck! de

.

On 03-May-16 14:08, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Actually I had the same issue, but it seemed to resolve itself.


On 5/3/2016 1:35 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
You talk about thunderbird thinking something is junk, and you act as 
if we will see what you are talking about underneath that, and we 
don't.  So how can we reply to it?  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 11:33 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Thunderbird thinks this message is junk.

I got no response when I posted this on techtalk, so I hope someone on
this list might have an answer.


Although Thunderbird is my preferred email client, this message drives
me nuts, specifically "thunderbird thinks this  message is junk." Does
anyone know how to reliably squelch this?  It typically shows on
messages which have multiple recipients.


Thanks for ideas.


Don Roberts

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Re: Thunderbird thinks this message is junk.

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Actually I had the same issue, but it seemed to resolve itself.


On 5/3/2016 1:35 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
You talk about thunderbird thinking something is junk, and you act as 
if we will see what you are talking about underneath that, and we 
don't.  So how can we reply to it?  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 11:33 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Thunderbird thinks this message is junk.

I got no response when I posted this on techtalk, so I hope someone on
this list might have an answer.


Although Thunderbird is my preferred email client, this message drives
me nuts, specifically "thunderbird thinks this  message is junk." Does
anyone know how to reliably squelch this?  It typically shows on
messages which have multiple recipients.


Thanks for ideas.


Don Roberts

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Re: Thunderbird thinks this message is junk.

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

You talk about thunderbird thinking something is junk, and you act as if we 
will see what you are talking about underneath that, and we don't.  So how 
can we reply to it?  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 11:33 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Thunderbird thinks this message is junk.

I got no response when I posted this on techtalk, so I hope someone on
this list might have an answer.


Although Thunderbird is my preferred email client, this message drives
me nuts, specifically "thunderbird thinks this  message is junk."  Does
anyone know how to reliably squelch this?  It typically shows on
messages which have multiple recipients.


Thanks for ideas.


Don Roberts

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Re: Thunderbird thinks this message is junk.

[Jim via Talk]

There is another way to do this.  I highlight the offending message, 
press the context menu key and arrow to 'not junk' and press enter.  
This will usuallly illiminate this issue. Just another suggestion to 
try! Catch Ya Later! de

.
On 02-May-16 23:52, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi,
Have a look under Tools, Options, security.  There are check boxes 
dealing with junk messages.


HTH
Neville.


On 3/05/2016 1:33 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:

I got no response when I posted this on techtalk, so I hope someone on
this list might have an answer.


Although Thunderbird is my preferred email client, this message drives
me nuts, specifically "thunderbird thinks this  message is junk."  Does
anyone know how to reliably squelch this?  It typically shows on
messages which have multiple recipients.


Thanks for ideas.


Don Roberts

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Re: Thunderbird thinks this message is junk.

[Linette Sukup via Talk]

If you go into the Junk folder, there should be a menu with which you 
can change the status of a message. I only did this once, so I don't 
remember exactly what it says. It's easy, and since I did it, I have had 
no problem with Thunderbird looking out for me.



Peace.

Linette




On 5/2/2016 10:33 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
I got no response when I posted this on techtalk, so I hope someone on 
this list might have an answer.



Although Thunderbird is my preferred email client, this message drives 
me nuts, specifically "thunderbird thinks this  message is junk."  
Does anyone know how to reliably squelch this?  It typically shows on 
messages which have multiple recipients.



Thanks for ideas.


Don Roberts

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