RE: using start menu windows 10

[Kurlander Richard via Talk]

Thanks never used to happen in windows 7 

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 11:07 AM
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Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: using start menu windows 10

Hi Richard,

I would say that you are probably in the search edit box, and you can just type 
what you want.
The problem is that perhaps you just can't read it.
If you're using Window-Eyes, this is normal.
Keep in mind that this is a dynamic edit field, such that, the more you type, 
the more search results appear in the list.
You can arrow up and down through the results.
However, using Window-Eyes, each time you arrow up or down, you'll have to 
press the read focus hot key to read the current item, Ctrl-Shift-S.
As I say, this is normal behavior.

Good luck,

Rod

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Sent: February 11, 2019 9:57 AM
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Subject: using start menu windows 10

Everytime I hit the start button it says search windows running applications 
task view can't type anything in search box 
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RE: using start menu windows 10

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Richard,

I would say that you are probably in the search edit box, and you can just type 
what you want.
The problem is that perhaps you just can't read it.
If you're using Window-Eyes, this is normal.
Keep in mind that this is a dynamic edit field, such that, the more you type, 
the more search results appear in the list.
You can arrow up and down through the results.
However, using Window-Eyes, each time you arrow up or down, you'll have to 
press the read focus hot key to read the current item, Ctrl-Shift-S.
As I say, this is normal behavior.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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Sent: February 11, 2019 9:57 AM
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Cc: Kurlander Richard 
Subject: using start menu windows 10

Everytime I hit the start button it says search windows running applications 
task view can't type anything in search box
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using start menu windows 10

[Kurlander Richard via Talk]

Everytime I hit the start button it says search windows running applications 
task view can't type anything in search box
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Re: windows 10 start menu

[net bat via Talk]

you don't have to do this. another way yto do the same thing.
make sure you are on the desktop and press alt f4. this will open the same shut 
down dialog.


-Original Message- 
From: BK via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 5:19 PM
To: gw micro
Subject: windows 10 start menu

Hello, after win 10 updated itself, it left my laptop rearranged. Does
anyone know how to make changes to the start menu, or how to set it back
to its defaults? For example, from the search box, I used to up arrow
twice to get to the power settings menu where I could shut down the
computer, or put it to sleep, etcetera, , but that is no longer on the
menu. All help is appreciated.

Butch

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windows 10 start menu

[BK via Talk]

Hello, after win 10 updated itself, it left my laptop rearranged. Does
anyone know how to make changes to the start menu, or how to set it back
to its defaults? For example, from the search box, I used to up arrow
twice to get to the power settings menu where I could shut down the
computer, or put it to sleep, etcetera, , but that is no longer on the
menu. All help is appreciated.

Butch

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Re: Recent change in Windows7 start menu

[net bat via Talk]

turn off the mouse tracking in the mouse menu in the w e control panel.
this worked for me.
i want mouse tracking on for the desktop. but the start menu uses the same 
explorer.set file
so i had to create a new set file while the start menu is opened and i called 
it explorer2.set and turned mouse tracking off so it does not get stuck on the 
search box when you tab away from it. after you create the set file make sure 
it is associated with the start menu while it is still opened.


-Original Message- 
From: Reg Webb via Talk

Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 4:17 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Recent change in Windows7 start menu

Has anyone else lost the list view in the start menu under Windows7?
If I tab passed the search box, it either gets stuck on repeating
"search box", or the list view with "no selected item".
I don't know when or why this happened, so I'm wondering if it's just me
to whom it has happened.
Any thoughts?

--
Reg
<regw...@btinternet.com>

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RE: Recent change in Windows7 start menu

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Reg,

I'm not seeing this.  Trying moving your mouse pointer out of the way by
routing it to one of the corners of the desktop before you open the start
menu and see if this helps.

Good luck,

Rod

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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Reg Webb via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 7:17 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Recent change in Windows7 start menu

Has anyone else lost the list view in the start menu under Windows7?
If I tab passed the search box, it either gets stuck on repeating "search
box", or the list view with "no selected item".
I don't know when or why this happened, so I'm wondering if it's just me to
whom it has happened.
Any thoughts?

--
Reg
<regw...@btinternet.com>

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Recent change in Windows7 start menu

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Has anyone else lost the list view in the start menu under Windows7?
If I tab passed the search box, it either gets stuck on repeating
"search box", or the list view with "no selected item".
I don't know when or why this happened, so I'm wondering if it's just me
to whom it has happened.
Any thoughts?

-- 
Reg
<regw...@btinternet.com>

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RE: getting my start menu to show up in windows 10

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Make sure you are not in tablet mode. Press windows-a then tab through.
Chris


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Shade via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 5:54 AM
To: Talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: getting my start menu to show up in windows 10

Hello, when I'm using window-eyes, with this new release of windows 10 I
can't get my start menu to show up.  I'll click on the start button, and
nothing will happen.  Or sometimes I'll go to the start menu button, and try
to click on it, and I'll hear start menu and then the word taskbar, as if
the focus is changing.  In either case, I still can't bring up my start menu
to work with my machine.  Can you recommend any suggestions?

Thanks much,

Scott

 

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getting my start menu to show up in windows 10

[Scott Shade via Talk]

Hello, when I'm using window-eyes, with this new release of windows 10 I
can't get my start menu to show up.  I'll click on the start button, and
nothing will happen.  Or sometimes I'll go to the start menu button, and try
to click on it, and I'll hear start menu and then the word taskbar, as if
the focus is changing.  In either case, I still can't bring up my start menu
to work with my machine.  Can you recommend any suggestions?

Thanks much,

Scott

 

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Re: WE with windows 10 start menu search option?

[michael's emails via Talk]

thats normal Russ micro soft is ment to fix it.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 12:37 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: WE with windows 10 start menu search option?

Has anyone run across the problem when doing a search in the windows 10 
start menu that Window Eyes won’t always read the results wen arrowing up 
and down the search results?

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Re: WE with windows 10 start menu search option?

[Tony C via Talk]

Yes, it does it all the time. LOL

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:41 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WE with windows 10 start menu search option?

Yep, happens a lot.  I thought it was something wrong with
my system, but it would appear i'm not alone.


On 6/19/2016 10:37 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
Has anyone run across the problem when doing a search in the windows 10 
start menu that Window Eyes won’t always read the results wen arrowing up 
and down the search results?

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Re: WE with windows 10 start menu search option?

[Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk]

I experience that start menu problem more often than not. Usually, tabbing away 
from and back into the display results edit field makes things talk again.
Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist\/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue
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Re: WE with windows 10 start menu search option?

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

Yep, happens a lot.  I thought it was something wrong with 
my system, but it would appear i'm not alone.



On 6/19/2016 10:37 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

Has anyone run across the problem when doing a search in the windows 10 start 
menu that Window Eyes won’t always read the results wen arrowing up and down 
the search results?
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WE with windows 10 start menu search option?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Has anyone run across the problem when doing a search in the windows 10 start 
menu that Window Eyes won’t always read the results wen arrowing up and down 
the search results?
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Re: holy shit change the subject...Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there GUYS!
Come on now folks and lets remember what the purpose of this list is, 
Need I remind all?  Just back off the nastiness and lets start 
disgussing W.E. andtechnology again..!


Jim, <wohlg...@outlook.com>.
On 23-May-16 18:43, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Gorge,

I suppose if you got my name wrong, then you can put up with me getting
yours wrong. Grin
As for growing up, I'm grown up enough to know how to deal with people who
try to intimidate, thanks very much.
I didn't start this fight.

Peace and prosperity,

Rod


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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of george basioli via Talk
Sent: May 23, 2016 4:52 PM
To: 'Stephen Clark' <sclar...@twcny.rr.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Helen Murphy' <murphyhm...@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: holy shit change the subject...Searching from the start menu
will now only launch Edge for web results

Well like the subject says and then we would not have to hear all this crap
because we would of know it was not reading.

By the way rob, you need to drop it he mailed you off list like the
guidelines say and then you copy it to the list.

Why don't you all grow up, and if to be a mod you only have to be on a list
for a longer time then others we will have a lot of mods and we will let go
at that

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gbmagoo=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 13:43
To: Helen Murphy <murphyhm...@yahoo.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web
results

OK, Mr. moderator Tom, explain why this is not a personal attack against me.

Also, please explain where AI Squared is on all of this. Aren't they the
true moderators? If they were doing their job it would have never reached
this point.


On 5/22/2016 9:49 PM, Helen Murphy via Talk wrote:

WHAT DOES HE WANT A MEDAL HES ONE OF THOSE WE ALL PAID INTO THE SYSTEM
IM GLAD U CLIPPED HIS WINGS THOSE KIND YOU WOULD JUST LOVE TO TELL
THEM TO GO JUMP IN THE LAKE HE JUST RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY TOO TOM GOOD
FOR YOU HELEN MURPHY

  On Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk

<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
   


   Thanks, Rod.

Just for the record: I'm 29, was on the cover of GQ last month, and
paid
1.3 billion in taxes last year.

Regards,
Tom


On 5/22/2016 8:17 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Stephen,

I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an old
man and accused him of being unemployed and living on government cheques.
You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in
calling myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for
quite some time, longer than you, I believe, and add to this the fact
that I count on this list to be a place of safety from personal attack.
I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to
intimidate me by writing to me privately.

Sincerely,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Clark [mailto:sclar...@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM
To: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge
for web results

I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest
that you either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read
what was said to me by another mean and in appropriate list member.


Sincerely,

==Steve

On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:

Stephen,

Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate.  If you find
it difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if
you found some other forum for your comments.

Sincerely,

Rod Hutton

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge
for web results

Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think
really really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some
of us actually work for a living. This means not every one can just
go installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you
never thought about that either while you're sitting there
collecting your government checks. I realize you are not a forward
thinker, but some people can actually see the direction MS is
headed. They can and most certainly will force you to use whatever
they damn well please. Not to mention all the many apps coming out
that are using the Edge browser with

no way to change it.

Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
hav

RE: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Nice one, marc!  I am all behind you, AI Squared!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 3:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; Helen Murphy
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web
results

Stephen and all other list members,
I work for Ai Squared but what I am about to write are my own personal
thoughts. Ai Squared's most important job is making computers, applications
and Web pages accessible for our customers. As you know this is not a
trivial task and requires a team effort and collaboration with many other
organizations. 
We don't have the time or resources to ensure everyone on this last follows
the golden and acts civil towards one another. We depend on the list members
to self moderate and treat each other with decency and respect. 
Before you hit the send button, please ask your self: Will the contents of
this message help the Window-Eyes community or advance the cause of
accessibility and inclusion? If not, it would probably be best to take the
high road, take a deep breath and just let it go.  
In order for us to create positive change in this world, we need to work
together and not let our personel differences stand in the way of progress.
Regards,
Marc

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On May 23, 2016 4:46:29 PM Stephen Clark via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> OK, Mr. moderator Tom, explain why this is not a personal attack against
me.
>
> Also, please explain where AI Squared is on all of this. Aren't they 
> the true moderators? If they were doing their job it would have never 
> reached this point.
>
>
> On 5/22/2016 9:49 PM, Helen Murphy via Talk wrote:
>> WHAT DOES HE WANT A MEDAL HES ONE OF THOSE WE ALL PAID INTO THE 
>> SYSTEM IM GLAD U CLIPPED HIS WINGS THOSE KIND YOU WOULD JUST LOVE TO 
>> TELL THEM TO GO JUMP IN THE LAKE HE JUST RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY TOO 
>> TOM GOOD FOR YOU HELEN MURPHY
>>
>>  On Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>   
>>
>>   Thanks, Rod.
>>
>> Just for the record: I'm 29, was on the cover of GQ last month, and 
>> paid
>> 1.3 billion in taxes last year.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 5/22/2016 8:17 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> Stephen,
>>>
>>> I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an 
>>> old man and accused him of being unemployed and living on government
cheques.
>>> You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in 
>>> calling myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for 
>>> quite some time, longer than you, I believe, and add to this the 
>>> fact that I count on this list to be a place of safety from personal
attack.
>>> I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to 
>>> intimidate me by writing to me privately.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Stephen Clark [mailto:sclar...@twcny.rr.com]
>>> Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM
>>> To: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge 
>>> for web results
>>>
>>> I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest 
>>> that you either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read 
>>> what was said to me by another mean and in appropriate list member.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> ==Steve
>>>
>>> On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:
>>>> Stephen,
>>>>
>>>> Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate.  If you find 
>>>> it difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if 
>>>> you found some other forum for your comments.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Rod Hutton
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk
>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>>> On Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
>>>> Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM
>>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch 
>>>> Edge for web results
>>>>
>>>> Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think 
>>>> really really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as wel

RE: holy poo change the subject...Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

And, just in case my daughter gets hold of my phone, I am modifying the subject 
just slightly in an effort to keep it G. 

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On May 23, 2016 6:56:11 PM Ai2  wrote:

> I second the motion. Keep up the great work Rod.
> Marc
>
> On May 23, 2016 6:55:24 PM Don Smith via Talk  
> wrote:
>
>> Wow, Rod is the last guy that needs advice.  
>>
>> If you chaps and girls look back on the list you will see that Rod has given
>> so much good counsell that I would suggest he does not need any guidance
>> from below.
>> Don
>>
>>
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RE: holy shit change the subject...Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Lol?
What a subject line.


Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 6:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Rod Hutton'
<rod_hut...@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: holy shit change the subject...Searching from the start menu
will now only launch Edge for web results

I second the motion. Keep up the great work Rod.
Marc

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On May 23, 2016 6:55:24 PM Don Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> Wow, Rod is the last guy that needs advice.  
>
> If you chaps and girls look back on the list you will see that Rod has 
> given so much good counsell that I would suggest he does not need any 
> guidance from below.
> Don
>
>
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author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
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RE: holy shit change the subject...Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

I second the motion. Keep up the great work Rod.
Marc

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On May 23, 2016 6:55:24 PM Don Smith via Talk  
wrote:

> Wow, Rod is the last guy that needs advice.  
>
> If you chaps and girls look back on the list you will see that Rod has given
> so much good counsell that I would suggest he does not need any guidance
> from below.
> Don
>
>
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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Stephen and all other list members, 
I work for Ai Squared but what I am about to write are my own personal 
thoughts. Ai Squared's most important job is making computers, applications and 
Web pages accessible for our customers. As you know this is not a trivial task 
and requires a team effort and collaboration with many other organizations. 
We don't have the time or resources to ensure everyone on this last follows the 
golden and acts civil towards one another. We depend on the list members to 
self moderate and treat each other with decency and respect. 
Before you hit the send button, please ask your self: Will the contents of this 
message help the Window-Eyes community or advance the cause of accessibility 
and inclusion? If not, it would probably be best to take the high road, take a 
deep breath and just let it go.  
In order for us to create positive change in this world, we need to work 
together and not let our personel differences stand in the way of progress.
Regards,
Marc

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On May 23, 2016 4:46:29 PM Stephen Clark via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:

> OK, Mr. moderator Tom, explain why this is not a personal attack against me.
>
> Also, please explain where AI Squared is on all of this. Aren't they the 
> true moderators? If they were doing their job it would have never 
> reached this point.
>
>
> On 5/22/2016 9:49 PM, Helen Murphy via Talk wrote:
>> WHAT DOES HE WANT A MEDAL HES ONE OF THOSE WE ALL PAID INTO THE SYSTEM IM 
>> GLAD U CLIPPED HIS WINGS THOSE KIND YOU WOULD JUST LOVE TO TELL THEM TO GO 
>> JUMP IN THE LAKE HE JUST RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY TOO TOM GOOD FOR YOU HELEN 
>> MURPHY
>>
>>  On Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>   
>>
>>   Thanks, Rod.
>>
>> Just for the record: I'm 29, was on the cover of GQ last month, and paid
>> 1.3 billion in taxes last year.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 5/22/2016 8:17 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> Stephen,
>>>
>>> I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an old man
>>> and accused him of being unemployed and living on government cheques.
>>> You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in calling
>>> myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for quite some time,
>>> longer than you, I believe, and add to this the fact that I count on this
>>> list to be a place of safety from personal attack.
>>> I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to intimidate me
>>> by writing to me privately.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Stephen Clark [mailto:sclar...@twcny.rr.com]
>>> Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM
>>> To: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web
>>> results
>>>
>>> I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest that you
>>> either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read what was said to
>>> me by another mean and in appropriate list member.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> ==Steve
>>>
>>> On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:
>>>> Stephen,
>>>>
>>>> Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate.  If you find it
>>>> difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if you
>>>> found some other forum for your comments.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Rod Hutton
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk
>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
>>>> Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM
>>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge
>>>> for web results
>>>>
>>>> Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
>>>> really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
>>>> actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
>>>> installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
>>>> thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
>>>> government checks. I realize you are not a forward

RE: holy shit change the subject...Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Don Smith via Talk]

Wow, Rod is the last guy that needs advice.  

If you chaps and girls look back on the list you will see that Rod has given
so much good counsell that I would suggest he does not need any guidance
from below.
Don


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RE: holy shit change the subject...Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[george basioli via Talk]

Well like the subject says and then we would not have to hear all this crap
because we would of know it was not reading.

By the way rob, you need to drop it he mailed you off list like the
guidelines say and then you copy it to the list.

Why don't you all grow up, and if to be a mod you only have to be on a list
for a longer time then others we will have a lot of mods and we will let go
at that

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gbmagoo=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 13:43
To: Helen Murphy <murphyhm...@yahoo.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web
results

OK, Mr. moderator Tom, explain why this is not a personal attack against me.

Also, please explain where AI Squared is on all of this. Aren't they the
true moderators? If they were doing their job it would have never reached
this point.


On 5/22/2016 9:49 PM, Helen Murphy via Talk wrote:
> WHAT DOES HE WANT A MEDAL HES ONE OF THOSE WE ALL PAID INTO THE SYSTEM 
> IM GLAD U CLIPPED HIS WINGS THOSE KIND YOU WOULD JUST LOVE TO TELL 
> THEM TO GO JUMP IN THE LAKE HE JUST RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY TOO TOM GOOD 
> FOR YOU HELEN MURPHY
>
>  On Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>   
>
>   Thanks, Rod.
>
> Just for the record: I'm 29, was on the cover of GQ last month, and 
> paid
> 1.3 billion in taxes last year.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 5/22/2016 8:17 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Stephen,
>>
>> I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an old 
>> man and accused him of being unemployed and living on government cheques.
>> You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in 
>> calling myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for 
>> quite some time, longer than you, I believe, and add to this the fact 
>> that I count on this list to be a place of safety from personal attack.
>> I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to 
>> intimidate me by writing to me privately.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Stephen Clark [mailto:sclar...@twcny.rr.com]
>> Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM
>> To: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge 
>> for web results
>>
>> I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest 
>> that you either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read 
>> what was said to me by another mean and in appropriate list member.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> ==Steve
>>
>> On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:
>>> Stephen,
>>>
>>> Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate.  If you find 
>>> it difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if 
>>> you found some other forum for your comments.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Rod Hutton
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>> On Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
>>> Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge 
>>> for web results
>>>
>>> Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think 
>>> really really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some 
>>> of us actually work for a living. This means not every one can just 
>>> go installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you 
>>> never thought about that either while you're sitting there 
>>> collecting your government checks. I realize you are not a forward 
>>> thinker, but some people can actually see the direction MS is 
>>> headed. They can and most certainly will force you to use whatever 
>>> they damn well please. Not to mention all the many apps coming out 
>>> that are using the Edge browser with
>> no way to change it.
>>>
>>> Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>>>> Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not 
>>>> having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means 
>>>> absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and depo

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Stephen Clark via Talk]

OK, Mr. moderator Tom, explain why this is not a personal attack against me.

Also, please explain where AI Squared is on all of this. Aren't they the 
true moderators? If they were doing their job it would have never 
reached this point.



On 5/22/2016 9:49 PM, Helen Murphy via Talk wrote:

WHAT DOES HE WANT A MEDAL HES ONE OF THOSE WE ALL PAID INTO THE SYSTEM IM GLAD 
U CLIPPED HIS WINGS THOSE KIND YOU WOULD JUST LOVE TO TELL THEM TO GO JUMP IN 
THE LAKE HE JUST RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY TOO TOM GOOD FOR YOU HELEN MURPHY

 On Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
  


  Thanks, Rod.

Just for the record: I'm 29, was on the cover of GQ last month, and paid
1.3 billion in taxes last year.

Regards,
Tom


On 5/22/2016 8:17 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Stephen,

I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an old man
and accused him of being unemployed and living on government cheques.
You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in calling
myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for quite some time,
longer than you, I believe, and add to this the fact that I count on this
list to be a place of safety from personal attack.
I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to intimidate me
by writing to me privately.

Sincerely,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Clark [mailto:sclar...@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM
To: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web
results

I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest that you
either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read what was said to
me by another mean and in appropriate list member.


Sincerely,

==Steve

On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:

Stephen,

Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate.  If you find it
difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if you
found some other forum for your comments.

Sincerely,

Rod Hutton

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge
for web results

Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser with

no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You
may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we
will all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is
Firefox and chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe
they're the Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.

John Bonham

On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
example,
Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.


On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to
use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied
to Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task
bar and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
Google loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off.
So I press one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've
got my results without anything else in my start menu or on my system.
Yes, it may take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand,
I can activate a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the
search results. I don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture
that's threatening civilization as we know it. ;)

Regards,
Tom


On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other
screen readers. However, m

RE: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Smith, Veronica via Talk]

Oh my goodness, it is a scary thought, but a lot of it might be true.  Thanks 
for sharing! Veronica

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:25 AM
To: Nick Sarames; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web 
results

I can't help but send this message here. It is . . . something, but does
resonate with this topic.
Read and throw away, or ponder it, or store it away, but it is,
fascinating nonetheless.




*Welcome to the exponential age!*



In 1998, Kodak had 170,000 employees and sold 85% of all photo paper
worldwide.



Within just a few years, their business model disappeared and they
went bankrupt.



What happened to Kodak will happen in a lot of industries in the next 10
years - and most people don't see it coming. Did you think in 1998 that 3
years later you would never take pictures on paper film again?



Yet digital cameras were invented in 1975. The first ones only had 10,000
pixels, but followed Moore's law. So as with all exponential technologies,
it was a disappointment for a long time, before it became way superior and
got mainstream in only a few short years. It will now happen with artificial
Intelligence, health, autonomous and electric cars, education, 3D printing,
agriculture, and jobs. Welcome to the 4th Industrial Revolution - The
Exponential Age!



Software will disrupt most traditional industries in the next 5-10 years.



Uber is just a software tool, they don't own any cars, and are now the
biggest taxi company in the world. Airbnb is now the biggest hotel company
in the world, although they don't own any properties.



Artificial Intelligence: Computers become exponentially better in
understanding the world. This year, a computer beat the best player in the
world, 10 years earlier than expected. In the US, young lawyers already
don't get jobs. Because of IBM's Watson, you can get legal advice (so far
for more or less basic stuff) within seconds, with 90% accuracy compared
with 70% accuracy when done by humans. So if you study law, stop
immediately. There will be 90% less lawyers in the future, only specialists
will remain.



Watson already helps nurses diagnosing cancer, 4 times more accurate than
human nurses. Facebook now has a pattern recognition software that can
recognize faces better than humans. In 2030, computers will become more
intelligent than humans.



Autonomous cars: In 2018 the first self-driving cars will appear for the
public. Around 2020, the complete industry will start to be disrupted.
You won't
want to own a car anymore. You will call a car with your phone, it will
show up at your location and drive you to your destination. You will not
need to park it, you will only pay for the driven distance and you can be
productive while driving. Our kids will never get a driver's license and
will never own a car. It will change the cities, because we will need
90-95% less cars for that. We can transform former parking space into
parks. 1.2 million people die each year in car accidents worldwide. We now
have one accident every 100,000km. With autonomous driving that will drop
to one accident in 10 million km. That will save a million lives each year.



Most car companies might become bankrupt. Traditional car companies try the
evolutionary approach and just build a better car, while tech companies
(Tesla, Apple, Google) will do the revolutionary approach and build a
computer on wheels. I spoke to a lot of engineers from Volkswagen and Audi;
they are completely terrified of Tesla.



Insurance companies will have massive trouble because without accidents,
the insurance will become 100x cheaper. Their car insurance business model
will disappear.



Real estate will change. Because if you can work while you commute, people
will move further away to live in a more beautiful neighborhood.



*Won't need as many garages if fewer people have cars, so living in the
city may become more attractive as people like being around other people.
That won't change.*



Electric cars will become mainstream until 2020. Cities will be less noisy
because all cars will run on electric. Electricity will become incredibly
cheap and clean: Solar production has been on an exponential curve for 30
years, but you can only now see the impact. Last year, more solar energy
was installed worldwide than fossil. The price for solar will drop so much
that all coal companies will be out of business by 2025.



With cheap electricity comes cheap and abundant water. Desalination now
only needs 2kWh per cubic meter. We don't have scarce water in most places,
we only have scarce drinking water. Imagine what will be possible if anyone
can have as much clean water as he wants, for nearly no cost.



Health: The Tricorder X price will be announced this year. There will be
companies who will build a medical device

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Jim via Talk]

Hello there FOLKS!
I have been a member of this list for quite some time now.  I do see a 
lot of this sort of nonsense going on with other lists, but this is the 
first time I have actually seen it going on with this one.  Personally I 
could care less what someone's anual income is, I thought the purpose of 
this list was to discuss W.E. and technology.  Why don't we get back to 
that and leave the personal attacks to private eMails if folks really 
wish to do this sort of thing.
If someone has problems with the way W.E. functions then by all means 
tell us about it! Thanks! & Have A Good 1! de

<KF8LT.
On 22-May-16 21:49, Helen Murphy via Talk wrote:

WHAT DOES HE WANT A MEDAL HES ONE OF THOSE WE ALL PAID INTO THE SYSTEM IM GLAD 
U CLIPPED HIS WINGS THOSE KIND YOU WOULD JUST LOVE TO TELL THEM TO GO JUMP IN 
THE LAKE HE JUST RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY TOO TOM GOOD FOR YOU HELEN MURPHY

 On Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
  


  Thanks, Rod.

Just for the record: I'm 29, was on the cover of GQ last month, and paid
1.3 billion in taxes last year.

Regards,
Tom


On 5/22/2016 8:17 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Stephen,

I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an old man
and accused him of being unemployed and living on government cheques.
You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in calling
myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for quite some time,
longer than you, I believe, and add to this the fact that I count on this
list to be a place of safety from personal attack.
I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to intimidate me
by writing to me privately.

Sincerely,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Clark [mailto:sclar...@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM
To: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web
results

I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest that you
either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read what was said to
me by another mean and in appropriate list member.


Sincerely,

==Steve

On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:

Stephen,

Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate.  If you find it
difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if you
found some other forum for your comments.

Sincerely,

Rod Hutton

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge
for web results

Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser with

no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You
may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we
will all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is
Firefox and chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe
they're the Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.

John Bonham

On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
example,
Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.


On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to
use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied
to Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task
bar and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
Google loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off.
So I press one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've
got my results without anything else in my start menu or on my system.
Yes, it may take me a second or two longer.

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for webresults

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Does "read to end" work?

On 5/22/2016 9:59 PM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:

I'm trying to keep this discussion  on topic!


As of this morning, Cortana will now only search using Edge on my
Windows 10 pro desktop.  The interesting thing is that if I search for a
list of entries, not only can I tab through links, I can also arrow
through them.  If I bring up a news story or a web site in Edge, I'm
still not able to use the arrow or mouse keys.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Helen Murphy via Talk]

WHAT DOES HE WANT A MEDAL HES ONE OF THOSE WE ALL PAID INTO THE SYSTEM IM GLAD 
U CLIPPED HIS WINGS THOSE KIND YOU WOULD JUST LOVE TO TELL THEM TO GO JUMP IN 
THE LAKE HE JUST RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY TOO TOM GOOD FOR YOU HELEN MURPHY 

On Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
 

 Thanks, Rod.

Just for the record: I'm 29, was on the cover of GQ last month, and paid 
1.3 billion in taxes last year.

Regards,
Tom


On 5/22/2016 8:17 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Stephen,
>
> I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an old man
> and accused him of being unemployed and living on government cheques.
> You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in calling
> myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for quite some time,
> longer than you, I believe, and add to this the fact that I count on this
> list to be a place of safety from personal attack.
> I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to intimidate me
> by writing to me privately.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen Clark [mailto:sclar...@twcny.rr.com]
> Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM
> To: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web
> results
>
> I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest that you
> either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read what was said to
> me by another mean and in appropriate list member.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> ==Steve
>
> On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:
>> Stephen,
>>
>> Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate.  If you find it
>> difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if you
>> found some other forum for your comments.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Rod Hutton
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
>> Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge
>> for web results
>>
>> Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
>> really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
>> actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
>> installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
>> thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
>> government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
>> people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
>> certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
>> mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser with
> no way to change it.
>>
>>
>> Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.
>>
>>
>> On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>>> Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
>>> having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
>>> absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You
>>> may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we
>>> will all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is
>>> Firefox and chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe
>>> they're the Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.
>>>
>>> John Bonham
>>>
>>> On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>>>> You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
>>>> research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
>>>> example,
>>>> Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
>>>> fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>>>>> This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to
>>>>> use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied
>>>>> to Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task
>>>>> bar and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
>>>>> Google loa

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for webresults

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

On 5/22/2016 9:05 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Prove it.


From 
https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2016/05/12/accessible-ux-with-html5-and-uia/


Building a more accessible user experience with HTML5 and UIA

By Microsoft Edge Team  

Recently, we introduced Microsoft Edge’s new accessibility architecture, 
which inherently supports modern web standards, and provides a 
foundation to make the web platform more accessible than ever. To build 
a comprehensive ecosystem across all products and users of every 
ability, assistive technologies build end user experiences on top of 
accessibility frameworks. In Edge, accessibility information is exposed 
through the UI Automation (UIA) framework. HTML, CSS, and ARIA markup is 
translated to UIA objects that assistive technologies use to provide a 
tailored experience.


In this post, we’ll walk through some concrete examples of how our new 
architecture improves the end user’s experience, and specifically how 
markup defines the experience of navigating with assistive technologies 
like screen readers. Our examples focus on Narrator, but any screen 
reader using UIA will be able to take advantage of these improvements.


Measuring success with HTML5Accessibility

As part of our ongoing work to advance Edge’s accessibility, we want to 
make sure developers and users can easily get accurate information on 
platform accessibility across browsers, making it easier to build more 
accessible sites and make informed decisions when using accessibility 
features. For example, we are working closely with HTML5Accessibility’s 
maintainer, Steve Faulkner of the Paciello Group, to update the site and 
refresh its design.


HTML5Accessibility is a popular resource for this information that 
summarizes and rates major browsers’ HTML5 platform accessibility. Some 
of the success criteria include mappings to the accessibility API, 
keyboard accessibility, and the accessibility of error states. The 
upcoming refresh (which you can preview today on GitHub) includes 
changes to clarify pass criteria, add additional tests, and even give 
the site a fresh and modern makeover.


Comparing the old and new HTML5Accessibility.com designs. Note that the 
updated site does not yet reflect the accessibility improvements in 
EdgeHTML 14.


Many of the accessibility APIs discussed in this post are tracked on 
HTML5Accessibility, or were leveraged to build the site’s upcoming 
redesign. Each element or attribute has its own test page, so you can 
use Narrator to try out the user experience and open Inspect or F12 to 
see how they are mapped to UIA.


Note that HTML5Accessibility currently tracks the status of shipping 
versions of the listed browsers, and has not yet been updated with the 
new test criteria. With the work landing in EdgeHTML 14, we look forward 
to a much-improved score for Edge soon! We’ll share more when those 
updates are available.


Read more at 
https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2016/05/12/accessible-ux-with-html5-and-uia/#rXPoCvxQdq5lUl3g.99

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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for webresults

[Stephen Clark via Talk]

Prove it.


On 5/22/2016 8:25 PM, michaels mail via Talk wrote:
Go Rod i am really over this topic Edge will be working for us in good 
time i am in no hurry.

Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 10:17 AM
To: 'Stephen Clark'
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge 
for webresults


Stephen,

I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an old man
and accused him of being unemployed and living on government cheques.
You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in calling
myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for quite some 
time,

longer than you, I believe, and add to this the fact that I count on this
list to be a place of safety from personal attack.
I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to 
intimidate me

by writing to me privately.

Sincerely,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Clark [mailto:sclar...@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM
To: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge 
for web

results

I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest 
that you
either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read what was 
said to

me by another mean and in appropriate list member.


Sincerely,

==Steve

On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:

Stephen,

Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate.  If you find it
difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if you
found some other forum for your comments.

Sincerely,

Rod Hutton

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge
for web results

Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser 
with

no way to change it.



Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You
may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we
will all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is
Firefox and chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe
they're the Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.

John Bonham

On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
example,
Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.


On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to
use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied
to Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task
bar and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
Google loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off.
So I press one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've
got my results without anything else in my start menu or on my 
system.

Yes, it may take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand,
I can activate a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the
search results. I don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture
that's threatening civilization as we know it. ;)

Regards,
Tom


On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other
screen readers. However, my original message is not to be critical
of Win-eyes.
It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going
with Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in
the near future I feel we'll be left behind.

On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you,
but I have one question.
Do any of the other screen reader

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for webresults

[michaels mail via Talk]

Go Rod i am really over this topic Edge will be working for us in good time 
i am in no hurry.

Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 10:17 AM
To: 'Stephen Clark'
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for 
webresults


Stephen,

I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an old man
and accused him of being unemployed and living on government cheques.
You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in calling
myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for quite some time,
longer than you, I believe, and add to this the fact that I count on this
list to be a place of safety from personal attack.
I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to intimidate me
by writing to me privately.

Sincerely,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Clark [mailto:sclar...@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM
To: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web
results

I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest that you
either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read what was said to
me by another mean and in appropriate list member.


Sincerely,

==Steve

On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:

Stephen,

Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate.  If you find it
difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if you
found some other forum for your comments.

Sincerely,

Rod Hutton

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge
for web results

Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser with

no way to change it.



Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You
may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we
will all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is
Firefox and chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe
they're the Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.

John Bonham

On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
example,
Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.


On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to
use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied
to Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task
bar and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
Google loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off.
So I press one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've
got my results without anything else in my start menu or on my system.
Yes, it may take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand,
I can activate a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the
search results. I don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture
that's threatening civilization as we know it. ;)

Regards,
Tom


On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other
screen readers. However, my original message is not to be critical
of Win-eyes.
It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going
with Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in
the near future I feel we'll be left behind.

On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you,
but I have one question.
Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built
into them?
Kevin Huber

On 5/17/16, Steph

RE: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Stephen,

I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an old man
and accused him of being unemployed and living on government cheques.
You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in calling
myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for quite some time,
longer than you, I believe, and add to this the fact that I count on this
list to be a place of safety from personal attack.
I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to intimidate me
by writing to me privately.

Sincerely,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Clark [mailto:sclar...@twcny.rr.com] 
Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM
To: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web
results

I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest that you
either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read what was said to
me by another mean and in appropriate list member.


Sincerely,

==Steve

On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:
> Stephen,
>
> Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate.  If you find it 
> difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if you 
> found some other forum for your comments.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rod Hutton
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
> Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge 
> for web results
>
> Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really 
> really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us 
> actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go 
> installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never 
> thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your 
> government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some 
> people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most 
> certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to 
> mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser with
no way to change it.
>
>
> Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.
>
>
> On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>> Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not 
>> having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means 
>> absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You 
>> may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we 
>> will all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is 
>> Firefox and chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe 
>> they're the Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.
>>
>> John Bonham
>>
>> On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>>> You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual 
>>> research to find out what's really going on in the world? For 
>>> example,
>>> Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a 
>>> fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>>>> This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
>>>>
>>>> Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to 
>>>> use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied 
>>>> to Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task 
>>>> bar and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, 
>>>> Google loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. 
>>>> So I press one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've 
>>>> got my results without anything else in my start menu or on my system.
>>>> Yes, it may take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, 
>>>> I can activate a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the 
>>>> search results. I don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture 
>>>> that's threatening civilization as we know it. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other 
>>>>> screen readers. However, my original message is not to be critical 
>>&

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

OK, I really don't know what he said, but here's the point. While I 
don't know who is righvt, Steve has yet to provide specific evidence to 
support his contension.


On 5/22/2016 4:36 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

I think he said updates, not upgrades, maybe you need to read more
carefully?

On 5/21/2016 4:35 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

I was not going to post anything more on this topic, but I read this and
just couldn't let this go. Tom, you said this is the first time a
Windows upgrade has been free? LOL! This ignorance just proves once
again you have no clue what you're talking about. MS has been releasing
free upgrades since before Win 8!


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

I think he said updates, not upgrades, maybe you need to read more 
carefully?


On 5/21/2016 4:35 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

I was not going to post anything more on this topic, but I read this and
just couldn't let this go. Tom, you said this is the first time a
Windows upgrade has been free? LOL! This ignorance just proves once
again you have no clue what you're talking about. MS has been releasing
free upgrades since before Win 8!


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RE: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom,

You are the wordsmith par excellence. Smile

Keep 'em coming,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: May 18, 2016 10:31 PM
To: Stephen Clark <sclar...@twcny.rr.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web
results

Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not having a
coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely nothing
today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some interest on
it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die one day. And that's a
fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I hear those browsers
are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.

John Bonham

On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual 
> research to find out what's really going on in the world? For example,
> Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a 
> fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
>
>
> On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>> This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
>>
>> Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to 
>> use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
>>
>> Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied to 
>> Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar 
>> and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, 
>> Google loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So 
>> I press one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my 
>> results without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, 
>> it may take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can 
>> activate a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search 
>> results. I don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's 
>> threatening civilization as we know it. ;)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>>> Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen 
>>> readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of Win-eyes.
>>> It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going 
>>> with Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in 
>>> the near future I feel we'll be left behind.
>>>
>>> On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
>>>> Hi Stephen:
>>>>
>>>> I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but 
>>>> I have one question.
>>>> Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built 
>>>> into them?
>>>> Kevin Huber
>>>>
>>>> On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>>>> Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for 
>>>>> Edge, has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do 
>>>>> a search from the start menu and you press enter to search the web 
>>>>> for your result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what 
>>>>> your default web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way 
>>>>> to change this behavior.
>>>>>
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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Stephen Clark via Talk]

I was not going to post anything more on this topic, but I read this and 
just couldn't let this go. Tom, you said this is the first time a 
Windows upgrade has been free? LOL! This ignorance just proves once 
again you have no clue what you're talking about. MS has been releasing 
free upgrades since before Win 8!



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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

I'm no Microsoft fan. For those whose computers were updated to Windows 
10 when they did not want it they had to confirm the process. And they 
had thirty days to revert back. Clicking on OK without reading what's on 
the screen is a common problem in the sighted world as well.


There's a difference between accessibility being part of the 
specification and it being implemented from day one. No business caters 
to a group that constitutes 1% of their customer base. Implementing 
accessibility takes time which delays the launch of products that are 
ready for the masses. And time is money. So no, we are not at the top of 
Microsoft's or any other developers priority list. If we lived in your 
blind utopia where everything had to be accessible for everyone, which 
would have to include all disabilities, the entire world economy would 
crash and technological advances would slow to a crawl.


There are long standing accessibility issues with every computing 
platform and always will be. And then there's the endless list of 
software that computer manufacturers put on their systems that cause 
myriad problems for screen reader users.


No one on this planet lives in a perfect world. We can work with what we 
have or spend all our time and energy complaining about every little 
annoyance, like the Cortana search box using Edge when a different key 
stroke will give us the same thing in whatever browser we want.


Tom


On 5/20/2016 3:29 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

He is drinking the microsoft cool aid.  I have some friends whose
computers were updated to windows ten and they did not want it.  He says
go to another product.   What other product.  Why wasn't accessibiliby
part of the specifications.  Why is it always an after thought.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Fri, 20 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:


Tom, I'm sorry, but you just dont get it. My whole purpose in writing
to the list was to point out an example where they *are* most
definitely forcing you to use Edge. If you want to use Cortana and
find something on the web. Of course you don't have to use this
feature and no, I'm not having a coronary about it as you like to say,
but you are wrong. Microsoft has already done it. You can not change
this behavior. Hell, they were trying to upgrade peoples computer with
Win 10 a while ago whether they wanted it or not. Remember that?


So when you say that MS can't force you to use their browsers or
anything else, that's simply not true! They already have and will
probably do this kind of thing more in the future.



ngston wrote:

 Stephen,

 I apologize for returning your attack. I should have turned the other
 cheek.

 I'll ask you one very simple question. Can you give me one single real
 world reason how lack of access to Edge today is impairing your
ability to
 work or use your computer?

 I'll take your word that some apps can use only Edge. But in the real
 world Windows apps are a joke. And yes, Microsoft can make Edge the
 default for searching using their start menu in their operating system.
 They have every right to do so. It does not hinder anyone in any way.

 Microsoft will eventually make Edge accessible. They cannot force
you to
 use Edge, which they are not doing now. That was settled in court many
 years ago. If you're irate because you can't use an app, what can I
say?
 This is the world of blindness wherein this is common regardless of the
 platform you're on.

 From Microsoft:
 "Internet Explorer 11 will be supported for the life of Windows 7,
Windows
 8.1, and Windows 10."
 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE-support

 It will be years before everyone is on Windows 10. And it's the only
place
 Edge is available.

 Regarding your stream of personal insults? I'm a programmer for the
North
 American division of a German fiber optic company as well as the town I
 live in. This is why I'm on a computer all day. I have compassion for
 those who are unemployed. It is very difficult for a blind person to
find
 work in this world regardless of their qualifications. Life is not and
 never will be fair to all.

 I apologize for the initial statement of my opinion, but only to you. I
 had no idea that such a simple message, prefaced in the way it was,
could
 wreak such havoc. Please hit Delete whenever you see my name on a
message.
 Or better yet, create a filter to dump me in the trash.

 Regards,
 Tom


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

combination, type my text, hit enter, and
    I've got my
results
> >  without anything else in my start menu or on my
system. Yes, it may
> >  take me a second or two longer. but on the other
hand, I can
activate
> >  a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to
the search
results. I
> >  don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture
that's
threatening
> >  civilization as we know it. ;)
> > > >  Regards,
> >  Tom
> > > > > >  On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via
Talk wrote:
> > >  Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know
about other
screen
> > >  readers. However, my original message is not to
be critical of
> > >  Win-eyes.
> > >  It's more out of frustration as to the direction
that MS is
going > > >  with
> > >  Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it
soon with in
the > > >  near
> > >  future I feel we'll be left behind.
> > > > > >  On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
> > > >  Hi Stephen:
> > > > > > > >  I understand what you are saying and I
totally agree
with you, but > > > >  I
> > > >  have one question.
> > > >  Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge
accessibility
built > > > >  into
> > > >  them?
> > > >  Kevin Huber
> > > > > > > >  On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk
    <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > >  Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for
Window-eyes
support for > > > > >  Edge,
> > > > >  has any one noticed the following recent
change? When you
do a > > > > >  search
> > > > >  from the start menu and you press enter to
search the web
for > > > > >  your
> > > > >  result, it will now only bring up Edge
regardless of what
your > > > > >  default
> > > > >  web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is
no way to
change > > > > >  this
> > > > >  behavior.
> > > > > > > > > >  ==Steve
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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Using the Cortana search box is your choice. Upgrading to Windows 10 is 
your choice. If your employer decides to move to Windows 10 that is 
their choice. Microsoft is pushing Windows 10 hard for very good 
business reasons. This is what businesses do and why for the first time 
a Windows upgrade is free.


Tom


On 5/20/2016 1:40 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Tom, I'm sorry, but you just dont get it. My whole purpose in writing to
the list was to point out an example where they *are* most definitely
forcing you to use Edge. If you want to use Cortana and find something
on the web. Of course you don't have to use this feature and no, I'm not
having a coronary about it as you like to say, but you are wrong.
Microsoft has already done it. You can not change this behavior. Hell,
they were trying to upgrade peoples computer with Win 10 a while ago
whether they wanted it or not. Remember that?


So when you say that MS can't force you to use their browsers or
anything else, that's simply not true! They already have and will
probably do this kind of thing more in the future.



ngston wrote:

Stephen,

I apologize for returning your attack. I should have turned the other
cheek.

I'll ask you one very simple question. Can you give me one single real
world reason how lack of access to Edge today is impairing your
ability to work or use your computer?

I'll take your word that some apps can use only Edge. But in the real
world Windows apps are a joke. And yes, Microsoft can make Edge the
default for searching using their start menu in their operating
system. They have every right to do so. It does not hinder anyone in
any way.

Microsoft will eventually make Edge accessible. They cannot force you
to use Edge, which they are not doing now. That was settled in court
many years ago. If you're irate because you can't use an app, what can
I say? This is the world of blindness wherein this is common
regardless of the platform you're on.

From Microsoft:
"Internet Explorer 11 will be supported for the life of Windows 7,
Windows 8.1, and Windows 10."
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE-support

It will be years before everyone is on Windows 10. And it's the only
place Edge is available.

Regarding your stream of personal insults? I'm a programmer for the
North American division of a German fiber optic company as well as the
town I live in. This is why I'm on a computer all day. I have
compassion for those who are unemployed. It is very difficult for a
blind person to find work in this world regardless of their
qualifications. Life is not and never will be fair to all.

I apologize for the initial statement of my opinion, but only to you.
I had no idea that such a simple message, prefaced in the way it was,
could wreak such havoc. Please hit Delete whenever you see my name on
a message. Or better yet, create a filter to dump me in the trash.

Regards,
Tom


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Stephen Clark via Talk]

Good for you, but you must not have the latest update or something. When 
I hit enter to go to the web from the start menu, the title bar says 
"Core Input" and Win-eyes will not read anything except the links when I 
tab around. I have checked and double checked that Internet Explorer is 
my default.Maybe you should check your updates.




On 5/19/2016 11:00 PM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:

Steve,


I just tried searching from the start menu by both typing in to the 
search menu and by using voice.  Both methods brought up results in 
internet explorer which I have set as my default on my Windows 10 pro 
machine.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

OK, I think I understand.  You are not forced to use Windows. If you do 
use windows, you are not forced to upgrade (for a while).  If you do 
upgrade, you do not have to use Cortana. Yet MS is forcing you to use edge?


On 5/20/2016 1:40 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Tom, I'm sorry, but you just dont get it. My whole purpose in writing to
the list was to point out an example where they *are* most definitely
forcing you to use Edge. If you want to use Cortana and find something
on the web. Of course you don't have to use this feature and no, I'm not
having a coronary about it as you like to say, but you are wrong.
Microsoft has already done it. You can not change this behavior. Hell,
they were trying to upgrade peoples computer with Win 10 a while ago
whether they wanted it or not. Remember that?


So when you say that MS can't force you to use their browsers or
anything else, that's simply not true! They already have and will
probably do this kind of thing more in the future.



ngston wrote:

Stephen,

I apologize for returning your attack. I should have turned the other
cheek.

I'll ask you one very simple question. Can you give me one single real
world reason how lack of access to Edge today is impairing your
ability to work or use your computer?

I'll take your word that some apps can use only Edge. But in the real
world Windows apps are a joke. And yes, Microsoft can make Edge the
default for searching using their start menu in their operating
system. They have every right to do so. It does not hinder anyone in
any way.

Microsoft will eventually make Edge accessible. They cannot force you
to use Edge, which they are not doing now. That was settled in court
many years ago. If you're irate because you can't use an app, what can
I say? This is the world of blindness wherein this is common
regardless of the platform you're on.

From Microsoft:
"Internet Explorer 11 will be supported for the life of Windows 7,
Windows 8.1, and Windows 10."
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE-support

It will be years before everyone is on Windows 10. And it's the only
place Edge is available.

Regarding your stream of personal insults? I'm a programmer for the
North American division of a German fiber optic company as well as the
town I live in. This is why I'm on a computer all day. I have
compassion for those who are unemployed. It is very difficult for a
blind person to find work in this world regardless of their
qualifications. Life is not and never will be fair to all.

I apologize for the initial statement of my opinion, but only to you.
I had no idea that such a simple message, prefaced in the way it was,
could wreak such havoc. Please hit Delete whenever you see my name on
a message. Or better yet, create a filter to dump me in the trash.

Regards,
Tom


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Stephen Clark via Talk]

Tom, I'm sorry, but you just dont get it. My whole purpose in writing to 
the list was to point out an example where they *are* most definitely 
forcing you to use Edge. If you want to use Cortana and find something 
on the web. Of course you don't have to use this feature and no, I'm not 
having a coronary about it as you like to say, but you are wrong. 
Microsoft has already done it. You can not change this behavior. Hell, 
they were trying to upgrade peoples computer with Win 10 a while ago 
whether they wanted it or not. Remember that?



So when you say that MS can't force you to use their browsers or 
anything else, that's simply not true! They already have and will 
probably do this kind of thing more in the future.




ngston wrote:

Stephen,

I apologize for returning your attack. I should have turned the other 
cheek.


I'll ask you one very simple question. Can you give me one single real 
world reason how lack of access to Edge today is impairing your 
ability to work or use your computer?


I'll take your word that some apps can use only Edge. But in the real 
world Windows apps are a joke. And yes, Microsoft can make Edge the 
default for searching using their start menu in their operating 
system. They have every right to do so. It does not hinder anyone in 
any way.


Microsoft will eventually make Edge accessible. They cannot force you 
to use Edge, which they are not doing now. That was settled in court 
many years ago. If you're irate because you can't use an app, what can 
I say? This is the world of blindness wherein this is common 
regardless of the platform you're on.


From Microsoft:
"Internet Explorer 11 will be supported for the life of Windows 7, 
Windows 8.1, and Windows 10."

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE-support

It will be years before everyone is on Windows 10. And it's the only 
place Edge is available.


Regarding your stream of personal insults? I'm a programmer for the 
North American division of a German fiber optic company as well as the 
town I live in. This is why I'm on a computer all day. I have 
compassion for those who are unemployed. It is very difficult for a 
blind person to find work in this world regardless of their 
qualifications. Life is not and never will be fair to all.


I apologize for the initial statement of my opinion, but only to you. 
I had no idea that such a simple message, prefaced in the way it was, 
could wreak such havoc. Please hit Delete whenever you see my name on 
a message. Or better yet, create a filter to dump me in the trash.


Regards,
Tom


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

 the iPhone.
> >>
> >> On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> >>>  Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
> >>>  upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was
> >>>  trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
> >>>  logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I
> >>>  finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked
> >>> at me
> >>>  about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep
> >>>  drinking that ms cool aid.
> >>>  73
> >>>  Butch
> >>>  WA0VJR
> >>>  Node 3148
> >>>  Wallace, ks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >  Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think
> >>> really
> >>> >  really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
> >>> >  actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
> >>> >  installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you
> >>> never
> >>> >  thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
> >>> >  government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
> >>> >  people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
> >>> >  certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please.
> >>> Not to
> >>> >  mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
> >>> >  with no way to change it.
> >>> > > >  Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.
> >>> > > >  On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> >>> > >  Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
> >>> > >  having
> >>> > >   a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
> >>> absolutely
> >>> > >   nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may
> >>> get some
> >>> > >   interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die
> >>> > >  one day.
> >>> > >   And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome.
> >>> And I > >   hear
> >>> > >   those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven
> >>> > >  Zeppelin
> >>> > >   was referring to.
> >>> > > > >   John Bonham
> >>> > > > >   On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> >>> > > >   You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any
> >>> actual
> >>> > > >   research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
> >>> > >  example,
> >>> > > >   Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer.
> >>> That's > > >   a
> >>> > > >   fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
> >>> > > > > >   On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> >>> > > > >   This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's
> >>> worth.
> >>> > > > > > >   Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to
> >>> > >  force us to
> >>> > > > >   use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
> >>> > > > > > >   Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that
> >>> > >  is tied to
> >>> > > > >   Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the
> >>> Task > > > >   bar
> >>> > > > >   and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE
> >>> opens,
> >>> > >  Google
> >>> > > > >   loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off.
> >>> So I
> >>> > >  press
> >>> > > > >   one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my
> >>> > >  results
> >>> > > > >   without anything else in my start menu or on my system.
> >>> Yes, it > > > >   may
> >>> > > > >   take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can
> >>> > >  activate
> >>>

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

You are acting as if you are required to purchase a Microsoft product. 
I'm sorry that not everything in our world is accessible to us.  If you 
don't like what MS is doing you can look for another option.


On 5/20/2016 2:29 AM, Kevin Barry via Talk wrote:

you insist that Microsoft will eventually make edge accessible. Do you know
this? And please, I am not asking for your wishful thinking.
You know nothing of the kind, you were speaking out of a part of your body
lower than your mouth.
It is inexcusable, and really contrary to law, that this browser is allowed
to exist in its current form.


On Friday, May 20, 2016, Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:


Butch,

We still have mouse keys in Internet Explorer. It's one of the reasons IE
is my default browser. So I'm not sure what you're missing.

Yes, Amazon has become a bit dicey over the years. Then again, they have
their accessible site as well.

Regards,
Tom


On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:


Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was
trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I
finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked at me
about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep
drinking that ms cool aid.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really

really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
with no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:


 Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having
 a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely
 nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some
 interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die
one day.
 And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I hear
 those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven
Zeppelin
 was referring to.

 John Bonham

 On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

 You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
 research to find out what's really going on in the world? For

example,

 Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
 fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.

 On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

 This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

 Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to

force us to

 use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

 Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that

is tied to

 Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
 and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,

Google

 loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I

press

 one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my

results

 without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
 take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can

activate

 a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search

results. I

 don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's

threatening

 civilization as we know it. ;)

 Regards,

 Tom

 On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

 Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other

screen

 readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
 Win-eyes.
 It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is

going > > >  with

 Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in

the > > >  near

 future I feel we'll be left behind.

 On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

 Hi Stephen:

 I understand what you are saying and I totally agree

with you, but > > > >  I

 have one question.
 Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility

built > > > >  into

 them?
 Kevin Huber

 On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk

<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > > > >  wrote:

 Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes

support for > > > > >  Edge,

 has any one noticed the following recent change? When you

d

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

you insist that Microsoft will eventually make edge accessible. Do you know
this? And please, I am not asking for your wishful thinking.
You know nothing of the kind, you were speaking out of a part of your body
lower than your mouth.
It is inexcusable, and really contrary to law, that this browser is allowed
to exist in its current form.


On Friday, May 20, 2016, Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> Butch,
>
> We still have mouse keys in Internet Explorer. It's one of the reasons IE
> is my default browser. So I'm not sure what you're missing.
>
> Yes, Amazon has become a bit dicey over the years. Then again, they have
> their accessible site as well.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
>
>> Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
>> upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was
>> trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
>> logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I
>> finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked at me
>> about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep
>> drinking that ms cool aid.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>>
>> Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
>>> really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
>>> actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
>>> installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
>>> thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
>>> government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
>>> people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
>>> certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
>>> mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
>>> with no way to change it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
>>>> having
>>>>  a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely
>>>>  nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some
>>>>  interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die
>>>> one day.
>>>>  And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I hear
>>>>  those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven
>>>> Zeppelin
>>>>  was referring to.
>>>>
>>>>  John Bonham
>>>>
>>>>  On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>>>> >  You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
>>>> >  research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
>>>> example,
>>>> >  Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
>>>> >  fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
>>>> > > >  On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>>>> > >  This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
>>>> > > > >  Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to
>>>> force us to
>>>> > >  use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
>>>> > > > >  Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that
>>>> is tied to
>>>> > >  Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
>>>> > >  and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
>>>> Google
>>>> > >  loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I
>>>> press
>>>> > >  one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my
>>>> results
>>>> > >  without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
>>>> > >  take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can
>>>> activate
>>>> > >  a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search
>>>> results. I
>>>> > >  don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's
>>>> threatening
>>>> > >  ci

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Butch,

We still have mouse keys in Internet Explorer. It's one of the reasons 
IE is my default browser. So I'm not sure what you're missing.


Yes, Amazon has become a bit dicey over the years. Then again, they have 
their accessible site as well.


Regards,
Tom


On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was
trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I
finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked at me
about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep
drinking that ms cool aid.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:


Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
with no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

 Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having
 a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely
 nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some
 interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die
one day.
 And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I hear
 those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven
Zeppelin
 was referring to.

 John Bonham

 On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>  You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
>  research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
example,
>  Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
>  fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
> > >  On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> >  This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
> > > >  Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to
force us to
> >  use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
> > > >  Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that
is tied to
> >  Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
> >  and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
Google
> >  loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I
press
> >  one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my
results
> >  without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
> >  take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can
activate
> >  a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search
results. I
> >  don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's
threatening
> >  civilization as we know it. ;)
> > > >  Regards,
> >  Tom
> > > > > >  On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> > >  Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other
screen
> > >  readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
> > >  Win-eyes.
> > >  It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is
going > > >  with
> > >  Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in
the > > >  near
> > >  future I feel we'll be left behind.
> > > > > >  On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
> > > >  Hi Stephen:
> > > > > > > >  I understand what you are saying and I totally agree
with you, but > > > >  I
> > > >  have one question.
> > > >  Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility
built > > > >  into
> > > >  them?
> > > >  Kevin Huber
> > > > > > > >  On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > >  Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes
support for > > > > >  Edge,
> > > > >  has any one noticed the following recent change? When you
do a > > > > >  search
> > > > >  from the start menu and you press enter to search the web
for > > > >

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Stephen,

I apologize for returning your attack. I should have turned the other cheek.

I'll ask you one very simple question. Can you give me one single real 
world reason how lack of access to Edge today is impairing your ability 
to work or use your computer?


I'll take your word that some apps can use only Edge. But in the real 
world Windows apps are a joke. And yes, Microsoft can make Edge the 
default for searching using their start menu in their operating system. 
They have every right to do so. It does not hinder anyone in any way.


Microsoft will eventually make Edge accessible. They cannot force you to 
use Edge, which they are not doing now. That was settled in court many 
years ago. If you're irate because you can't use an app, what can I say? 
This is the world of blindness wherein this is common regardless of the 
platform you're on.


From Microsoft:
"Internet Explorer 11 will be supported for the life of Windows 7, 
Windows 8.1, and Windows 10."

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE-support

It will be years before everyone is on Windows 10. And it's the only 
place Edge is available.


Regarding your stream of personal insults? I'm a programmer for the 
North American division of a German fiber optic company as well as the 
town I live in. This is why I'm on a computer all day. I have compassion 
for those who are unemployed. It is very difficult for a blind person to 
find work in this world regardless of their qualifications. Life is not 
and never will be fair to all.


I apologize for the initial statement of my opinion, but only to you. I 
had no idea that such a simple message, prefaced in the way it was, 
could wreak such havoc. Please hit Delete whenever you see my name on a 
message. Or better yet, create a filter to dump me in the trash.


Regards,
Tom


On 5/19/2016 10:39 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
with no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You
may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will
all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and
chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the
Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.

John Bonham

On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
research to find out what's really going on in the world? For example,
Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.


On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to
use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied to
Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, Google
loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I press
one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my results
without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can activate
a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search results. I
don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's threatening
civilization as we know it. ;)

Regards,
Tom


On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen
readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
Win-eyes.
It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going with
Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in the near
future I feel we'll be left behind.

On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but I
have one question.
Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built
into
them?
Kevin Huber

On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk <talk

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Not strange at all.  From the beginning of man's existance, he has tried 
to manipulate his environment to suit his wants and needs.  Man will 
continue to "progress" regardless of what each individual does.  Maybe 
in 20 years, the internet as we know it, won't exist.


On 5/20/2016 12:46 AM, Butch Bussen wrote:

Strange comparison.  Well, same old same old.  Just because some folks
love their i phones, they think it is the answer for every one.  I don't
think my car would go very far if I replaced its wheels with i phones.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 19 May 2016, Nick Sarames wrote:


This applies to everyone.  It's how we got from the wheel to the iPhone.

On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

 Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
 upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was
 trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
 logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I
 finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked
at me
 about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep
 drinking that ms cool aid.
 73
 Butch
 WA0VJR
 Node 3148
 Wallace, ks.


 On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

>  Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think
really
>  really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
>  actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
>  installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you
never
>  thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
>  government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
>  people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
>  certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please.
Not to
>  mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
>  with no way to change it.
> > >  Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.
> > >  On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> >  Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
> >  having
> >   a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
absolutely
> >   nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may
get some
> >   interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die
> >  one day.
> >   And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome.
And I > >   hear
> >   those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven
> >  Zeppelin
> >   was referring to.
> > > >   John Bonham
> > > >   On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> > >   You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any
actual
> > >   research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
> >  example,
> > >   Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer.
That's > > >   a
> > >   fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
> > > > >   On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> > > >   This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's
worth.
> > > > > >   Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to
> >  force us to
> > > >   use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
> > > > > >   Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that
> >  is tied to
> > > >   Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the
Task > > > >   bar
> > > >   and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE
opens,
> >  Google
> > > >   loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off.
So I
> >  press
> > > >   one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my
> >  results
> > > >   without anything else in my start menu or on my system.
Yes, it > > > >   may
> > > >   take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can
> >  activate
> > > >   a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search
> >  results. I
> > > >   don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's
> >  threatening
> > > >   civilization as we know it. ;)
> > > > > >   Regards,
> > > >   Tom
> > > > > > > >   On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> > > > >   Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about
other
> >  screen
> > > > >   readers. However, my original message is not to be
critical of
> > > > >   Win-eyes.
> > > > >   It's more out of fr

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Strange comparison.  Well, same old same old.  Just because some folks 
love their i phones, they think it is the answer for every one.  I don't 
think my car would go very far if I replaced its wheels with i phones.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On 
Thu, 19 May 2016, Nick Sarames wrote:



This applies to everyone.  It's how we got from the wheel to the iPhone.

On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

 Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
 upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was
 trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
 logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I
 finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked at me
 about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep
 drinking that ms cool aid.
 73
 Butch
 WA0VJR
 Node 3148
 Wallace, ks.


 On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

>  Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
>  really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
>  actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
>  installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
>  thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
>  government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
>  people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
>  certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
>  mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
>  with no way to change it.
> 
> 
>  Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.
> 
> 
>  On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

> >  Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
> >  having
> >   a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely
> >   nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some
> >   interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die
> >  one day.
> >   And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I 
> >   hear

> >   those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven
> >  Zeppelin
> >   was referring to.
> > 
> >   John Bonham
> > 
> >   On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

> > >   You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
> > >   research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
> >  example,
> > >   Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's 
> > >   a

> > >   fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
> > > > >   On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> > > >   This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
> > > > > >   Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to
> >  force us to
> > > >   use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
> > > > > >   Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that
> >  is tied to
> > > >   Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task 
> > > >   bar

> > > >   and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
> >  Google
> > > >   loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I
> >  press
> > > >   one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my
> >  results
> > > >   without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it 
> > > >   may

> > > >   take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can
> >  activate
> > > >   a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search
> >  results. I
> > > >   don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's
> >  threatening
> > > >   civilization as we know it. ;)
> > > > > >   Regards,
> > > >   Tom
> > > > > > > >   On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> > > > >   Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other
> >  screen
> > > > >   readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
> > > > >   Win-eyes.
> > > > >   It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is
> > going > > >   with
> > > > >   Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in
> > the > > >   near
> > > > >   future I feel we'll be left behind.
> > > > > > > >   On 5/18/2016

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

This applies to everyone.  It's how we got from the wheel to the iPhone.

On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was
trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I
finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked at me
about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep
drinking that ms cool aid.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:


Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
with no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

 Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having
 a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely
 nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some
 interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die
one day.
 And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I hear
 those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven
Zeppelin
 was referring to.

 John Bonham

 On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>  You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
>  research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
example,
>  Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
>  fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
> > >  On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> >  This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
> > > >  Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to
force us to
> >  use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
> > > >  Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that
is tied to
> >  Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
> >  and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
Google
> >  loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I
press
> >  one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my
results
> >  without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
> >  take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can
activate
> >  a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search
results. I
> >  don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's
threatening
> >  civilization as we know it. ;)
> > > >  Regards,
> >  Tom
> > > > > >  On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> > >  Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other
screen
> > >  readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
> > >  Win-eyes.
> > >  It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is
going > > >  with
> > >  Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in
the > > >  near
> > >  future I feel we'll be left behind.
> > > > > >  On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
> > > >  Hi Stephen:
> > > > > > > >  I understand what you are saying and I totally agree
with you, but > > > >  I
> > > >  have one question.
> > > >  Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility
built > > > >  into
> > > >  them?
> > > >  Kevin Huber
> > > > > > > >  On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > >  Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes
support for > > > > >  Edge,
> > > > >  has any one noticed the following recent change? When you
do a > > > > >  search
> > > > >  from the start menu and you press enter to search the web
for > > > > >  your
> > > > >  result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what
your > > > > >  default
> > >

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for webresults

[net bat via Talk]

that won't last long. microsoft itself says bing and edge will be the only 
choice for the cortana search engine you will have. no matter which browser you 
use as the default.
it sounds like you haven't got all the recommended or optional updates 
installed yet.


-Original Message- 
From: Bob Tinney via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:00 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for 
webresults


Steve,


I just tried searching from the start menu by both typing in to the
search menu and by using voice.  Both methods brought up results in
internet explorer which I have set as my default on my Windows 10 pro
machine.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade, 
upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was 
trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get 
logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I 
finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked at me 
about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep 
drinking that ms cool aid.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk 
wrote:


Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really really 
hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us actually work for 
a living. This means not every one can just go installing whatever browser we 
want on our machine. I'm sure you never thought about that either while 
you're sitting there collecting your government checks. I realize you are not 
a forward thinker, but some people can actually see the direction MS is 
headed. They can and most certainly will force you to use whatever they damn 
well please. Not to mention all the many apps coming out that are using the 
Edge browser with no way to change it.



Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

 Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not having
 a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely
 nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some
 interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die one day.
 And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I hear
 those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin
 was referring to.

 John Bonham

 On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>  You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
>  research to find out what's really going on in the world? For example,
>  Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
>  fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
> 
> 
>  On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

> >  This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
> > 
> >  Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to

> >  use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
> > 
> >  Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied to

> >  Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
> >  and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, Google
> >  loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I press
> >  one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my results
> >  without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
> >  take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can activate
> >  a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search results. I
> >  don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's threatening
> >  civilization as we know it. ;)
> > 
> >  Regards,

> >  Tom
> > 
> > 
> >  On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

> > >  Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen
> > >  readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of 
> > >  Win-eyes.
> > >  It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going 
> > >  with
> > >  Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in the 
> > >  near

> > >  future I feel we'll be left behind.
> > > 
> > >  On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

> > > >  Hi Stephen:
> > > > 
> > > >  I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but 
> > > >  I

> > > >  have one question.
> > > >  Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built 
> > > >  into

> > > >  them?
> > > >  Kevin Huber
> > > > 
> > > >  On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >  Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for 
> > > > >  Edge,
> > > > >  has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a 
> > > > >  search
> > > > >  from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for 
> > > > >  your
> > > > >  result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your 
> > > > >  default
> > > > >  web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change 
> > > > >  this

> > 

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Well at least we're having a rational discussion.

On 5/19/2016 10:39 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
with no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You
may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will
all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and
chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the
Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.

John Bonham

On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
research to find out what's really going on in the world? For example,
Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.


On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to
use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied to
Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, Google
loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I press
one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my results
without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can activate
a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search results. I
don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's threatening
civilization as we know it. ;)

Regards,
Tom


On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen
readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
Win-eyes.
It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going with
Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in the near
future I feel we'll be left behind.

On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but I
have one question.
Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built
into
them?
Kevin Huber

On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for
Edge,
has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a
search
from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your
default
web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this
behavior.

==Steve
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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Steve,


I just tried searching from the start menu by both typing in to the 
search menu and by using voice.  Both methods brought up results in 
internet explorer which I have set as my default on my Windows 10 pro 
machine.


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not 
having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means 
absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may 
get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all 
die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and 
chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the 
Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.


John Bonham

On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
research to find out what's really going on in the world? For example,
Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.


On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to
use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied to
Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, Google
loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I press
one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my results
without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can activate
a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search results. I
don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's threatening
civilization as we know it. ;)

Regards,
Tom


On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen
readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of Win-eyes.
It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going with
Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in the near
future I feel we'll be left behind.

On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but I
have one question.
Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built into
them?
Kevin Huber

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Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for Edge,
has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a search
from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your default
web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this
behavior.

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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

The edge browser is inaccessible to every screen reader thanks to Microsoft
forward thinking.
I also cannot see how your question is at all relevant to this problem.

On Thursday, May 19, 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual research
> to find out what's really going on in the world? For example, Win10 is the
> last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a fact, jack. Look it
> up if you don't believe me.
>
>
> On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>
>> This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
>>
>> Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to use
>> only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
>>
>> Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied to
>> Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar and my
>> home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, Google loads, I'm
>> in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I press one key
>> combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my results without
>> anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may take me a
>> second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can activate a link and then
>> hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search results. I don't know why this
>> fly is turning into a vulture that's threatening civilization as we know
>> it. ;)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>>
>>> Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen
>>> readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of Win-eyes.
>>> It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going with
>>> Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in the near
>>> future I feel we'll be left behind.
>>>
>>> On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Stephen:
>>>>
>>>> I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but I
>>>> have one question.
>>>> Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built into
>>>> them?
>>>> Kevin Huber
>>>>
>>>> On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for Edge,
>>>>> has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a search
>>>>> from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
>>>>> result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your default
>>>>> web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this
>>>>> behavior.
>>>>>
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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


I have Internet Explorer set as my default browser in Windows 10 pro and 
when I search for a topic, internet explorer comes up with several 
answers.  One place that always brings up Edge is when I try to use the 
Microsoft news app.  I can read all of the headlines, but when I click 
on one, an edge window comes up and I can not read anything with any of 
the screen readers that I currently have.



I contacted the Microsoft accessibility office about this problem and 
was told again, and again, and again that "they are aware of the problem 
and are working on it".


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen 
readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of 
Win-eyes. It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is 
going with Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with 
in the near future I feel we'll be left behind.


On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but I
have one question.
Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built 
into them?

Kevin Huber

On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for Edge,
has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a search
from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your default
web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this
behavior.

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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to use 
only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.


Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied to 
Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar and 
my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, Google 
loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I press 
one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my results 
without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may take 
me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can activate a link 
and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search results. I don't 
know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's threatening 
civilization as we know it. ;)


Regards,
Tom


On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen
readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of Win-eyes.
It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going with
Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in the near
future I feel we'll be left behind.

On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but I
have one question.
Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built into
them?
Kevin Huber

On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for Edge,
has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a search
from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your default
web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this
behavior.

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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Stephen Clark via Talk]

Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen 
readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of Win-eyes. 
It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going with 
Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in the near 
future I feel we'll be left behind.


On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but I
have one question.
Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built into them?
Kevin Huber

On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for Edge,
has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a search
from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your default
web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this
behavior.

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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for webresults

[Stephen Clark via Talk]

While it is true you can turn the web searching feature off, that's far 
from the point. Microsoft has publically stated that there will be no 
more versions of Internet Explorer after the current version. App 
developers (including desktop apps and universal apps can and probably 
will use MS Edge as their built-in browsers instead of Explorer. I'm 
sure this won't happen over night, but it's just another reason why it's 
so important we are able to get access to Edge.


Just stating the facts.

On 5/17/2016 6:03 PM, net bat wrote:
i turned the option to search on the net from the cortana search box. 
i don't want it searching on the net when i am looking for a setting 
on my computer. for now i still use firefox and google to do searches 
on the net.

this is a so called windows improvement.
the windows search will also only use bing. no matter what default search
engine you have.
microsoft also wants to block the use of all web browsers except edge.
this is pland for the upgrade after july.


-Original Message- From: Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 1:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for 
webresults


Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for Edge,
has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a search
from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your default
web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this 
behavior.


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for webresults

[net bat via Talk]

i turned the option to search on the net from the cortana search box. i don't 
want it searching on the net when i am looking for a setting on my computer. 
for now i still use firefox and google to do searches on the net.

this is a so called windows improvement.
the windows search will also only use bing. no matter what default search
engine you have.
microsoft also wants to block the use of all web browsers except edge.
this is pland for the upgrade after july.


-Original Message- 
From: Stephen Clark via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 1:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for webresults

Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for Edge,
has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a search
from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your default
web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this behavior.

==Steve
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Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Stephen Clark via Talk]

Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for Edge, 
has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a search 
from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your 
result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your default 
web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this behavior.


==Steve
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Easy access to the AI Squared audio archive was RE: Windows 10 start menu tutorial.

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Steve,

I've been thinking for quite a while now that it would be very helpful if
all of your audio tutorials and podcasts could be subscribed to via a feed
so that we could have access to them in our favorite podcast player.
Indeed, this was the incentive behind my creation of my Itunes Enhance app,
namely, to be able to use Itunes effectively to play such podcasts, and the
web has tons of them.
I would certainly appreciate it if the quite extensive AI Squared audio
archive could be accessed via Itunes.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Clower via Talk
Sent: March 1, 2016 4:35 AM
To: Tom Kingston <tom.kings...@charter.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu tutorial.

The official Window-Eyes tutorial on our website for free streaming and
download also goes over the Windows 10 start menu as well as a few other
important topics (like how to change the default browser to something which
isn't Edge).


> On Mar 1, 2016, at 2:48 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Press the Windows key.
> You should hear "Cortana, search box, edit."
> 
> You can start typing the name of a program you wish to access. If it's
working correctly the choices should automatically be spoken. For example,
if you type "set" you should hear "Settings, Trusted Windows store app."
> If that's not what you want you should be able to continue typing or arrow
down through the list of suggestions and they should speak as you do so.
Press the Enter key to activate the highlighted item.
> If they don't automatically speak you can hit the Read line hot key after
each arrow key.
> 
> This is a Windows bug. The folks at GW Micro (now AI Squared) can correct
me if I'm wrong, but it has been my impression for many years that their
policy is to try to get Microsoft to fix bugs first so they don't have to
spend the time doing it this week only to see it fixed in the next Windows
update. They already have enough workarounds to write for things that are
completely inaccessible let alone every inconvenience, which by the way,
sighted users have a fair share of as well.
> 
> Okay. Sermon over. Let's access the start menu.
> 
> Press the Windows key and do not enter any text in the search edit box.
> Arrow up once. You should land on the "All Apps" button. Press Enter or
Space bar to activate it.
> 
> This will place you at the top of your programs list. On my system the
current entry is 3D Builder.
> You can arrow down through the list. Currently all items say unselected.
But whatever you are on is selected. Press Enter to activate it.
> 
> There is no first letter jump to handling in this list. But there is an
alternative.
> 
> From any entry in the list Tab once. You will land on a group list. For
instance, if I tab from 3D Builder I land on 0 - 9 group, and if I tab from
calender I land on C group.
> Arrow down or up to the group you want.
> Press Shift-Tab to return to the main list. You will be on the first item
in the group you selected. Arrow up or down as needed.
> 
> Folders will say Program name folder collapsed, unselected, closed, e.g.
Window-Eyes folder, collapsed, unselected, closed.
> Press Enter to open the folder. It will say "Window-Eyes unselected,
expanded." Arrow down and up within that folder.
> To close that folder you must arrow back up to "Window-Eyes folder,
expanded" and press Enter to collapse it.
> If you collapse a folder you can then again arrow up and down the main
list.
> 
> What about Windows apps?
> Press the Windows key, up arrow to the Apps button, and arrow right.
> Apps are in a grid and we currently have no indication to the amount of
apps present or the layout. But it is a simple row and column grid. So you
can simply arrow right or down until you hit the wall and nothing is voiced.
This will show you how many rows and columns there are.
> If you arrow left to the first column and then arrow left again you will
go back into the main start menu. Depending on which row of apps you were in
you may go back to the Apps button, the Power button, or the Account picture
button.
> By the way, I've never used that power button. From the desktop the old
fashioned Alt-F4 still works and gives you all the options, i.e. shutdown,
sleep, restart, etc.
> 
> Whether you're on an app or a program the Application key or Shift-F10
will open a context menu with various options.
> 
> There's probably something I've forgotten. But hopefully this will get you
started and more comfortable with the Windows 10 start menu. Yes, I went
into it kicking and screaming. But now that I know how to use it I don't
mind it at all. Although I am still h

Re: Windows 10 start menu tutorial.

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Sorry, Steve.

I knew it was there somewhere. But of course fate would not allow me to 
find it prior to writing this message. And of course course of course I 
just went back, gave it another shot, and there it was. So for anyone 
interested, here's the link to the entire list of Window-Eyes audio 
tutorials.

http://www.gwmicro.com/Audio_Video_Archive/Window-Eyes_Tutorials/

Regards,
Tom


On 3/1/2016 4:34 AM, Steve Clower wrote:

The official Window-Eyes tutorial on our website for free streaming and 
download also goes over the Windows 10 start menu as well as a few other 
important topics (like how to change the default browser to something which 
isn't Edge).



On Mar 1, 2016, at 2:48 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:

Press the Windows key.
You should hear "Cortana, search box, edit."

You can start typing the name of a program you wish to access. If it's working correctly the 
choices should automatically be spoken. For example, if you type "set" you should hear 
"Settings, Trusted Windows store app."
If that's not what you want you should be able to continue typing or arrow down 
through the list of suggestions and they should speak as you do so. Press the 
Enter key to activate the highlighted item.
If they don't automatically speak you can hit the Read line hot key after each 
arrow key.

This is a Windows bug. The folks at GW Micro (now AI Squared) can correct me if 
I'm wrong, but it has been my impression for many years that their policy is to 
try to get Microsoft to fix bugs first so they don't have to spend the time 
doing it this week only to see it fixed in the next Windows update. They 
already have enough workarounds to write for things that are completely 
inaccessible let alone every inconvenience, which by the way, sighted users 
have a fair share of as well.

Okay. Sermon over. Let's access the start menu.

Press the Windows key and do not enter any text in the search edit box.
Arrow up once. You should land on the "All Apps" button. Press Enter or Space 
bar to activate it.

This will place you at the top of your programs list. On my system the current 
entry is 3D Builder.
You can arrow down through the list. Currently all items say unselected. But 
whatever you are on is selected. Press Enter to activate it.

There is no first letter jump to handling in this list. But there is an 
alternative.

 From any entry in the list Tab once. You will land on a group list. For 
instance, if I tab from 3D Builder I land on 0 - 9 group, and if I tab from 
calender I land on C group.
Arrow down or up to the group you want.
Press Shift-Tab to return to the main list. You will be on the first item in 
the group you selected. Arrow up or down as needed.

Folders will say Program name folder collapsed, unselected, closed, e.g. 
Window-Eyes folder, collapsed, unselected, closed.
Press Enter to open the folder. It will say "Window-Eyes unselected, expanded." 
Arrow down and up within that folder.
To close that folder you must arrow back up to "Window-Eyes folder, expanded" 
and press Enter to collapse it.
If you collapse a folder you can then again arrow up and down the main list.

What about Windows apps?
Press the Windows key, up arrow to the Apps button, and arrow right.
Apps are in a grid and we currently have no indication to the amount of apps 
present or the layout. But it is a simple row and column grid. So you can 
simply arrow right or down until you hit the wall and nothing is voiced. This 
will show you how many rows and columns there are.
If you arrow left to the first column and then arrow left again you will go 
back into the main start menu. Depending on which row of apps you were in you 
may go back to the Apps button, the Power button, or the Account picture button.
By the way, I've never used that power button. From the desktop the old 
fashioned Alt-F4 still works and gives you all the options, i.e. shutdown, 
sleep, restart, etc.

Whether you're on an app or a program the Application key or Shift-F10 will 
open a context menu with various options.

There's probably something I've forgotten. But hopefully this will get you 
started and more comfortable with the Windows 10 start menu. Yes, I went into 
it kicking and screaming. But now that I know how to use it I don't mind it at 
all. Although I am still hoping for quick letter jump to handling. Perhaps one 
day.

Regards,
Tom

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Re: Windows 10 start menu tutorial.

[Steve Clower via Talk]

The official Window-Eyes tutorial on our website for free streaming and 
download also goes over the Windows 10 start menu as well as a few other 
important topics (like how to change the default browser to something which 
isn't Edge).


> On Mar 1, 2016, at 2:48 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Press the Windows key.
> You should hear "Cortana, search box, edit."
> 
> You can start typing the name of a program you wish to access. If it's 
> working correctly the choices should automatically be spoken. For example, if 
> you type "set" you should hear "Settings, Trusted Windows store app."
> If that's not what you want you should be able to continue typing or arrow 
> down through the list of suggestions and they should speak as you do so. 
> Press the Enter key to activate the highlighted item.
> If they don't automatically speak you can hit the Read line hot key after 
> each arrow key.
> 
> This is a Windows bug. The folks at GW Micro (now AI Squared) can correct me 
> if I'm wrong, but it has been my impression for many years that their policy 
> is to try to get Microsoft to fix bugs first so they don't have to spend the 
> time doing it this week only to see it fixed in the next Windows update. They 
> already have enough workarounds to write for things that are completely 
> inaccessible let alone every inconvenience, which by the way, sighted users 
> have a fair share of as well.
> 
> Okay. Sermon over. Let's access the start menu.
> 
> Press the Windows key and do not enter any text in the search edit box.
> Arrow up once. You should land on the "All Apps" button. Press Enter or Space 
> bar to activate it.
> 
> This will place you at the top of your programs list. On my system the 
> current entry is 3D Builder.
> You can arrow down through the list. Currently all items say unselected. But 
> whatever you are on is selected. Press Enter to activate it.
> 
> There is no first letter jump to handling in this list. But there is an 
> alternative.
> 
> From any entry in the list Tab once. You will land on a group list. For 
> instance, if I tab from 3D Builder I land on 0 - 9 group, and if I tab from 
> calender I land on C group.
> Arrow down or up to the group you want.
> Press Shift-Tab to return to the main list. You will be on the first item in 
> the group you selected. Arrow up or down as needed.
> 
> Folders will say Program name folder collapsed, unselected, closed, e.g. 
> Window-Eyes folder, collapsed, unselected, closed.
> Press Enter to open the folder. It will say "Window-Eyes unselected, 
> expanded." Arrow down and up within that folder.
> To close that folder you must arrow back up to "Window-Eyes folder, expanded" 
> and press Enter to collapse it.
> If you collapse a folder you can then again arrow up and down the main list.
> 
> What about Windows apps?
> Press the Windows key, up arrow to the Apps button, and arrow right.
> Apps are in a grid and we currently have no indication to the amount of apps 
> present or the layout. But it is a simple row and column grid. So you can 
> simply arrow right or down until you hit the wall and nothing is voiced. This 
> will show you how many rows and columns there are.
> If you arrow left to the first column and then arrow left again you will go 
> back into the main start menu. Depending on which row of apps you were in you 
> may go back to the Apps button, the Power button, or the Account picture 
> button.
> By the way, I've never used that power button. From the desktop the old 
> fashioned Alt-F4 still works and gives you all the options, i.e. shutdown, 
> sleep, restart, etc.
> 
> Whether you're on an app or a program the Application key or Shift-F10 will 
> open a context menu with various options.
> 
> There's probably something I've forgotten. But hopefully this will get you 
> started and more comfortable with the Windows 10 start menu. Yes, I went into 
> it kicking and screaming. But now that I know how to use it I don't mind it 
> at all. Although I am still hoping for quick letter jump to handling. Perhaps 
> one day.
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
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Windows 10 start menu tutorial.

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Press the Windows key.
You should hear "Cortana, search box, edit."

You can start typing the name of a program you wish to access. If it's 
working correctly the choices should automatically be spoken. For 
example, if you type "set" you should hear "Settings, Trusted Windows 
store app."
If that's not what you want you should be able to continue typing or 
arrow down through the list of suggestions and they should speak as you 
do so. Press the Enter key to activate the highlighted item.
If they don't automatically speak you can hit the Read line hot key 
after each arrow key.


This is a Windows bug. The folks at GW Micro (now AI Squared) can 
correct me if I'm wrong, but it has been my impression for many years 
that their policy is to try to get Microsoft to fix bugs first so they 
don't have to spend the time doing it this week only to see it fixed in 
the next Windows update. They already have enough workarounds to write 
for things that are completely inaccessible let alone every 
inconvenience, which by the way, sighted users have a fair share of as well.


Okay. Sermon over. Let's access the start menu.

Press the Windows key and do not enter any text in the search edit box.
Arrow up once. You should land on the "All Apps" button. Press Enter or 
Space bar to activate it.


This will place you at the top of your programs list. On my system the 
current entry is 3D Builder.
You can arrow down through the list. Currently all items say unselected. 
But whatever you are on is selected. Press Enter to activate it.


There is no first letter jump to handling in this list. But there is an 
alternative.


From any entry in the list Tab once. You will land on a group list. For 
instance, if I tab from 3D Builder I land on 0 - 9 group, and if I tab 
from calender I land on C group.

Arrow down or up to the group you want.
Press Shift-Tab to return to the main list. You will be on the first 
item in the group you selected. Arrow up or down as needed.


Folders will say Program name folder collapsed, unselected, closed, e.g. 
Window-Eyes folder, collapsed, unselected, closed.
Press Enter to open the folder. It will say "Window-Eyes unselected, 
expanded." Arrow down and up within that folder.
To close that folder you must arrow back up to "Window-Eyes folder, 
expanded" and press Enter to collapse it.

If you collapse a folder you can then again arrow up and down the main list.

What about Windows apps?
Press the Windows key, up arrow to the Apps button, and arrow right.
Apps are in a grid and we currently have no indication to the amount of 
apps present or the layout. But it is a simple row and column grid. So 
you can simply arrow right or down until you hit the wall and nothing is 
voiced. This will show you how many rows and columns there are.
If you arrow left to the first column and then arrow left again you will 
go back into the main start menu. Depending on which row of apps you 
were in you may go back to the Apps button, the Power button, or the 
Account picture button.
By the way, I've never used that power button. From the desktop the old 
fashioned Alt-F4 still works and gives you all the options, i.e. 
shutdown, sleep, restart, etc.


Whether you're on an app or a program the Application key or Shift-F10 
will open a context menu with various options.


There's probably something I've forgotten. But hopefully this will get 
you started and more comfortable with the Windows 10 start menu. Yes, I 
went into it kicking and screaming. But now that I know how to use it I 
don't mind it at all. Although I am still hoping for quick letter jump 
to handling. Perhaps one day.


Regards,
Tom

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Re: silent start menu in win10

[michaels mail via Talk]

Yes i get this happen some times Dave.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Dave Bahr via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:38 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: silent start menu in win10

Hi. Anyone else getting the start menu, particularly the search box, without
speech in win10? I can see things on my braille display if I type in a
keyword and then arrow down, but don't have any speech. Using 9.3 of
window-eyes and win10 64 bit. Is there a setting on window-eyes kb article
I'm missing somewhere?



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Re: silent start menu in win10

[Martha Reaney via Talk]

While my initial use of the search edit box works when I first boot up, it 
often goes silent after I have had made several entries in the edit box.   I am 
also using Win 10 64 bit with WE 9.3.

AISquared staff, is this a WE bug, user error, Windows 10 bug?

Thanks.

Martha
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RE: silent start menu in win10

[Steve Clower via Talk]

Martha,

It's a timing issue related to Windows 10. We have alerted Microsoft to the 
problem, and they are working on it.

Regards,
Steve


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Martha Reaney via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 9:12 AM
To: Dave Bahr <dcba...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Window-Eyes Support <wesupp...@aisquared.com>
Subject: Re: silent start menu in win10

While my initial use of the search edit box works when I first boot up, it 
often goes silent after I have had made several entries in the edit box.   I am 
also using Win 10 64 bit with WE 9.3.

AISquared staff, is this a WE bug, user error, Windows 10 bug?

Thanks.

Martha
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Re: silent start menu in win10

[Martha Reaney via Talk]

Thanks very much for the prompt and informative reply, Steve.

Martha
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Re: silent start menu in win10

[via Talk]

Restarting WE fixes this problem.

michaels mail via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Yes i get this happen some times Dave.
> Cheers Michael.
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Dave Bahr via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:38 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: silent start menu in win10
> 
> Hi. Anyone else getting the start menu, particularly the search box, without
> speech in win10? I can see things on my braille display if I type in a
> keyword and then arrow down, but don't have any speech. Using 9.3 of
> window-eyes and win10 64 bit. Is there a setting on window-eyes kb article
> I'm missing somewhere?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks, Dave
> 
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silent start menu in win10

[Dave Bahr via Talk]

Hi. Anyone else getting the start menu, particularly the search box, without
speech in win10? I can see things on my braille display if I type in a
keyword and then arrow down, but don't have any speech. Using 9.3 of
window-eyes and win10 64 bit. Is there a setting on window-eyes kb article
I'm missing somewhere? 

 

Thanks, Dave

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RE: Windows 10 start menu

[RajTribhuwan via Talk]

Hello guys, for those of you who are having a problem grasping the start menu, 
would suggest you place a shortcut of the programs you use frequently on the 
desktop, or task bar area or what ever it is called in win10.
If you don't want your desktop to be cluttered, you can also create a folder 
there and give it a name that will tell you it is programs from the start menu.
You can also search for the program you are looking for in the start menu in 
the search area by typing the first few letters, and arrow down, and when you 
hear the one you want, just hit enter, and should open.
Hope this helps for now.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rtrib=rogers@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Simon Cavendish via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:38 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and down, 
although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are not 
automatically selected as it would have been before.  You need to press enter 
on an item to select it and only then do you have choices to tab along.  So 
select an item in the menu, press enter, and now as you press tab, you will see 
the sub-items of the item you have selected.

I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips as well.

Simon
> On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win 
> xp and stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of 
> the start menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to 
> navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how 
> tonavigate the start menu and what the heck “selected and unselected” 
> items in the menus... Crap. LOL Any help will be great...Tony C 
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Steve,

From the cortana search box just arrow up once to the All Apps button.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/19/2016 10:26 AM, Steve Sweeney via Talk wrote:

Hi,
When I press the Windows key on my Wincows 10 machine I get the Cortana box but 
no other items in a list.  How do I fix this so I have a start menue?
Thx -Steve


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+n4ofl2=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:01 PM
To: window-eyes <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Windows 10 start menu

Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win xp and 
stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of the start menus 
and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, 
Now I gotta try and figure out how tonavigate the start menu and what the heck 
“selected and unselected” items in the menus... Crap. LOL Any help will be 
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Alan Siman via Talk]

I had the same problem and a purchased an app called start 10 which 
converted the win 10 menu to a modified win7 version and we 9 reads it 
perfectly.


I still cannot read the notification menu without using the mouse pointer.
On 1/19/2016 7:26 AM, Steve Sweeney via Talk wrote:

Hi,
When I press the Windows key on my Wincows 10 machine I get the Cortana box but 
no other items in a list.  How do I fix this so I have a start menue?
Thx -Steve


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+n4ofl2=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:01 PM
To: window-eyes <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Windows 10 start menu

Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win xp and 
stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of the start menus 
and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, 
Now I gotta try and figure out how tonavigate the start menu and what the heck 
“selected and unselected” items in the menus... Crap. LOL Any help will be 
great...Tony C ___
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Don H via Talk]

The Classic shell start menu works very well with Windows 10.

On 1/19/2016 2:08 PM, tt8 via Talk wrote:

can the classic start menu be used in windows 10 ?

On 1/19/2016 10:26, Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk wrote:

another useful tool is AutoHotKey.  This will allow you to make short
cut keys all over the place.  Thus allowing you to start programs
quickly.  You can also turn your scripts in to executable   files if
you should want to.  A good reason for this is as follows.  I created
a short cut script to run on a computer.  I don't need the program on
this system.  I just put the .exe file on the system told it to run at
start up and it was good to go.
Another nice tool is classic  shell.  It allows you to use the classic
start menu interface.  This means you don't have to bother with the
new start menu if you don't want to.
In windows 8 and 8.1 I had a tool that works to remove the silly
ribbon in windows explorer and go back to the simple menu system.  Why
Microsoft thought the ribbon was a good idea I don't know.  How they
decided where they were going to put things is lost on me.
Any way hope that helps.  I will not say I know everything there is to
know either but I will say this is a wonderful operating system.  Yes
it is a work in progress but I am very happy with it so far and I
expect to get better.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:30 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

In Windows 7 or 10, I place a few frequently-used programs on the
taskbar.
This can be done by finding the program by means of a search or
locating it within the start menu, then using the Applications key,
also known as the context menu key, to the left of the right-hand
control key, or with shift-F10, and using the context menu that
appears to select "pin to taskbar."
Once a program has been pinned to the taskbar, you can get to the
taskbar with Windows-T, then use left or right arrow keys to select
that program, then the Applications key again to start the program
from a recently used file or song or website. You can also use the
taskbar to start a program (with no parameters) by pressing the
Windows key with a number from 1 to 0, which represents the position
of the program along the taskbar.
I can't say that I have Windows 10 all figured out, but with tricks
like these you can get to a lot of functionality very quickly.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: RajTribhuwan via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:04 AM
To: 'Simon Cavendish' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Windows 10 start menu

Hello guys, for those of you who are having a problem grasping the
start menu, would suggest you place a shortcut of the programs you use
frequently on the desktop, or task bar area or what ever it is called
in win10.
If you don't want your desktop to be cluttered, you can also create a
folder there and give it a name that will tell you it is programs from
the start menu.
You can also search for the program you are looking for in the start
menu in the search area by typing the first few letters, and arrow
down, and when you hear the one you want, just hit enter, and should
open.
Hope this helps for now.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rtrib=rogers@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Simon Cavendish via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:38 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and
down, although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are
not automatically selected as it would have been before.  You need to
press enter on an item to select it and only then do you have choices
to tab along.  So select an item in the menu, press enter, and now as
you press tab, you will see the sub-items of the item you have selected.

I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips
as well.

Simon

On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win
xp and stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of
the start menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to
navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how
tonavigate the start menu and what the heck “selected and unselected”
items in the menus... Crap. LOL Any help will be great...Tony C
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[tt8 via Talk]

can the classic start menu be used in windows 10 ?

On 1/19/2016 10:26, Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk wrote:

another useful tool is AutoHotKey.  This will allow you to make short cut keys 
all over the place.  Thus allowing you to start programs quickly.  You can also 
turn your scripts in to executable   files if you should want to.  A good 
reason for this is as follows.  I created a short cut script to run on a 
computer.  I don't need the program on this system.  I just put the .exe file 
on the system told it to run at start up and it was good to go.
Another nice tool is classic  shell.  It allows you to use the classic start 
menu interface.  This means you don't have to bother with the new start menu if 
you don't want to.
In windows 8 and 8.1 I had a tool that works to remove the silly ribbon in 
windows explorer and go back to the simple menu system.  Why Microsoft thought 
the ribbon was a good idea I don't know.  How they decided where they were 
going to put things is lost on me.
Any way hope that helps.  I will not say I know everything there is to know 
either but I will say this is a wonderful operating system.  Yes it is a work 
in progress but I am very happy with it so far and I expect to get better.



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:30 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

In Windows 7 or 10, I place a few frequently-used programs on the taskbar.
This can be done by finding the program by means of a search or locating it within the 
start menu, then using the Applications key, also known as the context menu key, to the 
left of the right-hand control key, or with shift-F10, and using the context menu that 
appears to select "pin to taskbar."
Once a program has been pinned to the taskbar, you can get to the taskbar with 
Windows-T, then use left or right arrow keys to select that program, then the 
Applications key again to start the program from a recently used file or song 
or website. You can also use the taskbar to start a program (with no 
parameters) by pressing the Windows key with a number from 1 to 0, which 
represents the position of the program along the taskbar.
I can't say that I have Windows 10 all figured out, but with tricks like these 
you can get to a lot of functionality very quickly.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: RajTribhuwan via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:04 AM
To: 'Simon Cavendish' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Windows 10 start menu

Hello guys, for those of you who are having a problem grasping the start menu, 
would suggest you place a shortcut of the programs you use frequently on the 
desktop, or task bar area or what ever it is called in win10.
If you don't want your desktop to be cluttered, you can also create a folder 
there and give it a name that will tell you it is programs from the start menu.
You can also search for the program you are looking for in the start menu in 
the search area by typing the first few letters, and arrow down, and when you 
hear the one you want, just hit enter, and should open.
Hope this helps for now.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rtrib=rogers@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Simon Cavendish via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:38 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and down, 
although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are not automatically selected 
as it would have been before.  You need to press enter on an item to select it and only 
then do you have choices to tab along.  So select an item in the menu, press enter, and 
now as you press tab, you will see the sub-items of the item you have selected.

I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips as well.

Simon

On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win
xp and stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of
the start menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to
navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how
tonavigate the start menu and what the heck “selected and unselected”
items in the menus... Crap. LOL Any help will be great...Tony C
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

In Windows 7 or 10, I place a few frequently-used programs on the taskbar. 
This can be done by finding the program by means of a search or locating it 
within the start menu, then using the Applications key, also known as the 
context menu key, to the left of the right-hand control key, or with 
shift-F10, and using the context menu that appears to select "pin to 
taskbar."
Once a program has been pinned to the taskbar, you can get to the taskbar 
with Windows-T, then use left or right arrow keys to select that program, 
then the Applications key again to start the program from a recently used 
file or song or website. You can also use the taskbar to start a program 
(with no parameters) by pressing the Windows key with a number from 1 to 0, 
which represents the position of the program along the taskbar.
I can't say that I have Windows 10 all figured out, but with tricks like 
these you can get to a lot of functionality very quickly.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: RajTribhuwan via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:04 AM
To: 'Simon Cavendish' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Windows 10 start menu

Hello guys, for those of you who are having a problem grasping the start 
menu, would suggest you place a shortcut of the programs you use frequently 
on the desktop, or task bar area or what ever it is called in win10.
If you don't want your desktop to be cluttered, you can also create a folder 
there and give it a name that will tell you it is programs from the start 
menu.
You can also search for the program you are looking for in the start menu in 
the search area by typing the first few letters, and arrow down, and when 
you hear the one you want, just hit enter, and should open.

Hope this helps for now.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rtrib=rogers@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Simon Cavendish via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:38 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and down, 
although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are not 
automatically selected as it would have been before.  You need to press 
enter on an item to select it and only then do you have choices to tab 
along.  So select an item in the menu, press enter, and now as you press 
tab, you will see the sub-items of the item you have selected.


I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips as 
well.


Simon
On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:


Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win
xp and stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of
the start menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to
navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how
tonavigate the start menu and what the heck “selected and unselected”
items in the menus... Crap. LOL Any help will be great...Tony C
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RE: Windows 10 start menu

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

another useful tool is AutoHotKey.  This will allow you to make short cut keys 
all over the place.  Thus allowing you to start programs quickly.  You can also 
turn your scripts in to executable   files if you should want to.  A good 
reason for this is as follows.  I created a short cut script to run on a 
computer.  I don't need the program on this system.  I just put the .exe file 
on the system told it to run at start up and it was good to go.  
Another nice tool is classic  shell.  It allows you to use the classic start 
menu interface.  This means you don't have to bother with the new start menu if 
you don't want to.  
In windows 8 and 8.1 I had a tool that works to remove the silly ribbon in 
windows explorer and go back to the simple menu system.  Why Microsoft thought 
the ribbon was a good idea I don't know.  How they decided where they were 
going to put things is lost on me.  
Any way hope that helps.  I will not say I know everything there is to know 
either but I will say this is a wonderful operating system.  Yes it is a work 
in progress but I am very happy with it so far and I expect to get better.  



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:30 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

In Windows 7 or 10, I place a few frequently-used programs on the taskbar. 
This can be done by finding the program by means of a search or locating it 
within the start menu, then using the Applications key, also known as the 
context menu key, to the left of the right-hand control key, or with shift-F10, 
and using the context menu that appears to select "pin to taskbar."
Once a program has been pinned to the taskbar, you can get to the taskbar with 
Windows-T, then use left or right arrow keys to select that program, then the 
Applications key again to start the program from a recently used file or song 
or website. You can also use the taskbar to start a program (with no 
parameters) by pressing the Windows key with a number from 1 to 0, which 
represents the position of the program along the taskbar.
I can't say that I have Windows 10 all figured out, but with tricks like these 
you can get to a lot of functionality very quickly.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: RajTribhuwan via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:04 AM
To: 'Simon Cavendish' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Windows 10 start menu

Hello guys, for those of you who are having a problem grasping the start menu, 
would suggest you place a shortcut of the programs you use frequently on the 
desktop, or task bar area or what ever it is called in win10.
If you don't want your desktop to be cluttered, you can also create a folder 
there and give it a name that will tell you it is programs from the start menu.
You can also search for the program you are looking for in the start menu in 
the search area by typing the first few letters, and arrow down, and when you 
hear the one you want, just hit enter, and should open.
Hope this helps for now.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rtrib=rogers@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Simon Cavendish via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:38 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and down, 
although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are not 
automatically selected as it would have been before.  You need to press enter 
on an item to select it and only then do you have choices to tab along.  So 
select an item in the menu, press enter, and now as you press tab, you will see 
the sub-items of the item you have selected.

I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips as well.

Simon
> On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> wrote:
>
> Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win 
> xp and stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of 
> the start menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to 
> navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how 
> tonavigate the start menu and what the heck “selected and unselected”
> items in the menus... Crap. LOL Any help will be great...Tony C 
> ___
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> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
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> For subscription option

RE: Windows 10 start menu

[Steve Sweeney via Talk]

Hi,
When I press the Windows key on my Wincows 10 machine I get the Cortana box but 
no other items in a list.  How do I fix this so I have a start menue?
Thx -Steve


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+n4ofl2=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:01 PM
To: window-eyes <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Windows 10 start menu

Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win xp and 
stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of the start menus 
and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, 
Now I gotta try and figure out how tonavigate the start menu and what the heck 
“selected and unselected” items in the menus... Crap. LOL Any help will be 
great...Tony C ___
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Tony C via Talk]

Thanks, Yeah I'm impressed with windows 10 it's pretty stable and works 
smooth most of the time. lol. Just working on getting used to the new menus 
and navigating.  Thanks again..I'll make use of the auto hotkey..


-Original Message- 
From: Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:26 AM
To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Windows 10 start menu

another useful tool is AutoHotKey.  This will allow you to make short cut 
keys all over the place.  Thus allowing you to start programs quickly.  You 
can also turn your scripts in to executable   files if you should want to. 
A good reason for this is as follows.  I created a short cut script to run 
on a computer.  I don't need the program on this system.  I just put the 
.exe file on the system told it to run at start up and it was good to go.
Another nice tool is classic  shell.  It allows you to use the classic start 
menu interface.  This means you don't have to bother with the new start menu 
if you don't want to.
In windows 8 and 8.1 I had a tool that works to remove the silly ribbon in 
windows explorer and go back to the simple menu system.  Why Microsoft 
thought the ribbon was a good idea I don't know.  How they decided where 
they were going to put things is lost on me.
Any way hope that helps.  I will not say I know everything there is to know 
either but I will say this is a wonderful operating system.  Yes it is a 
work in progress but I am very happy with it so far and I expect to get 
better.




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:30 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

In Windows 7 or 10, I place a few frequently-used programs on the taskbar.
This can be done by finding the program by means of a search or locating it 
within the start menu, then using the Applications key, also known as the 
context menu key, to the left of the right-hand control key, or with 
shift-F10, and using the context menu that appears to select "pin to 
taskbar."
Once a program has been pinned to the taskbar, you can get to the taskbar 
with Windows-T, then use left or right arrow keys to select that program, 
then the Applications key again to start the program from a recently used 
file or song or website. You can also use the taskbar to start a program 
(with no parameters) by pressing the Windows key with a number from 1 to 0, 
which represents the position of the program along the taskbar.
I can't say that I have Windows 10 all figured out, but with tricks like 
these you can get to a lot of functionality very quickly.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
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-Original Message-
From: RajTribhuwan via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:04 AM
To: 'Simon Cavendish' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Windows 10 start menu

Hello guys, for those of you who are having a problem grasping the start 
menu, would suggest you place a shortcut of the programs you use frequently 
on the desktop, or task bar area or what ever it is called in win10.
If you don't want your desktop to be cluttered, you can also create a folder 
there and give it a name that will tell you it is programs from the start 
menu.
You can also search for the program you are looking for in the start menu in 
the search area by typing the first few letters, and arrow down, and when 
you hear the one you want, just hit enter, and should open.

Hope this helps for now.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rtrib=rogers@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Simon Cavendish via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:38 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and down, 
although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are not 
automatically selected as it would have been before.  You need to press 
enter on an item to select it and only then do you have choices to tab 
along.  So select an item in the menu, press enter, and now as you press 
tab, you will see the sub-items of the item you have selected.


I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips as 
well.


Simon

On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win
xp and stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of
the start menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to
navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how
tonavigate the start menu and what the heck “selected and unselected”
items in the menus... Crap. LOL

Windows 10 start menu

[Tony C via Talk]

Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win xp and 
stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of the start menus 
and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, 
Now I gotta try and figure out how tonavigate the start menu and what the heck 
“selected and unselected” items in the menus... Crap. LOL Any help will be 
great...Tony C
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Edward Green via Talk]

hi Tony,

Take a look at 
http://www.blind.training/free-training/windows-training/windows-10-start-menu.

It’s not specific to Window-Eyes, though is aimed at blind people.

Cheers,

Ed
> On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win xp and 
> stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of the start 
> menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to navigate the damn 
> ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how tonavigate the start menu 
> and what the heck “selected and unselected” items in the menus... Crap. LOL 
> Any help will be great...Tony C
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Simon Cavendish via Talk]

Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and down, 
although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are not 
automatically selected as it would have been before.  You need to press enter 
on an item to select it and only then do you have choices to tab along.  So 
select an item in the menu, press enter, and now as you press tab, you will see 
the sub-items of the item you have selected.

I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips as well.

Simon
> On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win xp and 
> stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of the start 
> menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to navigate the damn 
> ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how tonavigate the start menu 
> and what the heck “selected and unselected” items in the menus... Crap. LOL 
> Any help will be great...Tony C
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Helen Murphy via Talk]

HI SIMON DO YOU KNOW OF A ANTI VIRUS WHERE I CAN PAY ONCE AND HAVE IT FOR EVER 
? WHAT IS THE ADDRESS NAM PHONE NUMBER SO I CAN KEEP IT FOR FUTURE REFRENCE 
THANK YOU HELEN M MURPHY 

On Monday, January 18, 2016 10:37 PM, Simon Cavendish via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
 

 Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and down, 
although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are not 
automatically selected as it would have been before.  You need to press enter 
on an item to select it and only then do you have choices to tab along.  So 
select an item in the menu, press enter, and now as you press tab, you will see 
the sub-items of the item you have selected.

I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips as well.

Simon
> On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win xp and 
> stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of the start 
> menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to navigate the damn 
> ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how tonavigate the start menu 
> and what the heck “selected and unselected” items in the menus... Crap. LOL 
> Any help will be great...Tony C
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Not that I know of. As far as I know they're all subscription-based.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Helen Murphy via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: Simon Cavendish ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

HI SIMON DO YOU KNOW OF A ANTI VIRUS WHERE I CAN PAY ONCE AND HAVE IT FOR 
EVER ? WHAT IS THE ADDRESS NAM PHONE NUMBER SO I CAN KEEP IT FOR FUTURE 
REFRENCE THANK YOU HELEN M MURPHY


   On Monday, January 18, 2016 10:37 PM, Simon Cavendish via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:



Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and down, 
although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are not 
automatically selected as it would have been before.  You need to press 
enter on an item to select it and only then do you have choices to tab 
along.  So select an item in the menu, press enter, and now as you press 
tab, you will see the sub-items of the item you have selected.


I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips as 
well.


Simon
On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:


Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win xp 
and stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of the 
start menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to navigate the 
damn ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how tonavigate the start 
menu and what the heck “selected and unselected” items in the menus... 
Crap. LOL Any help will be great...Tony C

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windows 10 and we 9.3.1.0 and the start menu search field

[Jim Ruby via Talk]

We will stop reading results as you type after a while when in the start
menu search field.

You must restart we to get this functionality back.


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changing the start menu in windows 7

[Butch K via Talk]

Hello, in windows 7, when I go into start menu properties and click customize, 
the customize dialog pops up, but I can't access the list of programs that you 
can add to the start menu. The only list boxes I can access are the one's that 
say, show as a link, show as a menu, don't show this item. Can someone tell me 
how to access the list of programs, so I can check and uncheck the programs I 
want to add or remove. Any help is appreciated. 

Butch

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disregard message about changing start menu in windows 7

[Butch K via Talk]

Hello, I have found out how to access the programs that I want to add to the 
start menu. Please disregard my previous message asking how to do this. Sorry 
for any inconvenience. 

Butch

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Re: FW: opening programs and having to alt tab into them anyway solution: remove desktop shortcut and run from start menu or

[manny via Talk]

Hi,
I removed the desktop shortcut and from the start menu, I press context 
key on the program and press r for property

tab to shortcut and created a hot key,
then press ok,
 and now I don't have to alt tab   to get to the password entry.

Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my 
stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. ** 
** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** ** 
computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.2, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home 
premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad 
core drivers and software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver 
Booster, which sighted assistance is needed, but other than that Driver 
Booster is a great program. Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird, 
Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security: 
Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform, 
Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag

On 11/3/2015 1:15 PM, Scott VanDeWalle via Talk wrote:

Hello.
For me, yes it works fine then.


On 11/3/2015 2:54 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Do programs open and focus fine if you do so from the start menu?

Regards,
tom


On 11/3/2015 2:37 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Scot and Tom,

The behaviour described by Scot below has also been happening to me and
started at around the same time.

I am using Windows 7 Pro 64 bit with all updates.
Currently with WE 9.2.1

I did not report it as there were other issues going on which struck 
me as

more important.

Regards, John


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Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 6:19 PM
To: Scott VanDeWalle; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: opening programs and having to alt tab into them anyway

I've never seen this or heard of anyone else seeing it. They'd all be
screaming if this were a common problem. Unfortunately I can't imagine
why launching a program from the desktop doesn't bring it into focus.

Tom


On 11/3/2015 12:03 PM, Scott VanDeWalle via Talk wrote:

Hello everyone.
Hope all is well.

Here is my problem, and it has been going on for a while now,
deffinately since the 9.0 days until today 9.2.
Whenever I open a program, it doesn't matter which one from the 
desktop,

I need to alt tab to get to the program I just opened.
Is this fixable with window eyes.
I do not have this problem in any other screen reader.
I'm using windows ten.
But I believe this also was an issue with 8.1
Thank you.

Scott
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Re: FW: opening programs and having to alt tab into them anyway solution: remove desktop shortcut and run from start menu or

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

For anyone running Windows 10 and wanting a hot key instead of the 
desktop shortcut it's a little different.


Do as Manny said and open the context menu while on the item in the 
start menu. Arrow up once to Open file location. This will land you on 
the shortcut file in the start menu folder. Then open the context menu 
and R for properties.


Hth,
Tom


On 11/3/2015 7:51 PM, manny via Talk wrote:

Hi,
I removed the desktop shortcut and from the start menu, I press context
key on the program and press r for property
tab to shortcut and created a hot key,
then press ok,
  and now I don't have to alt tab   to get to the password entry.

Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my
stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** **
computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.2, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad
core drivers and software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver
Booster, which sighted assistance is needed, but other than that Driver
Booster is a great program. Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird,
Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security:
Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform,
Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
On 11/3/2015 1:15 PM, Scott VanDeWalle via Talk wrote:

Hello.
For me, yes it works fine then.


On 11/3/2015 2:54 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Do programs open and focus fine if you do so from the start menu?

Regards,
tom


On 11/3/2015 2:37 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Scot and Tom,

The behaviour described by Scot below has also been happening to me and
started at around the same time.

I am using Windows 7 Pro 64 bit with all updates.
Currently with WE 9.2.1

I did not report it as there were other issues going on which struck
me as
more important.

Regards, John


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Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 6:19 PM
To: Scott VanDeWalle; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: opening programs and having to alt tab into them anyway

I've never seen this or heard of anyone else seeing it. They'd all be
screaming if this were a common problem. Unfortunately I can't imagine
why launching a program from the desktop doesn't bring it into focus.

Tom


On 11/3/2015 12:03 PM, Scott VanDeWalle via Talk wrote:

Hello everyone.
Hope all is well.

Here is my problem, and it has been going on for a while now,
deffinately since the 9.0 days until today 9.2.
Whenever I open a program, it doesn't matter which one from the
desktop,
I need to alt tab to get to the program I just opened.
Is this fixable with window eyes.
I do not have this problem in any other screen reader.
I'm using windows ten.
But I believe this also was an issue with 8.1
Thank you.

Scott
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Start Menu

[Pastor Gil Pries via Talk]

I reinstalled Windows 10.  That is what happened when I reset windows 10.

Pastor Gil
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Start Menu

[Pastor Gil Pries via Talk]

Hi,
Went back to Windows 10 and there was no change.  So I reset Windows 10. Now my 
start menu reads just fine.
Window-eyes is working well.

Pastor Gil
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WE Not Reading Start Menu

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

Windows 7
WE 9.2
Del Lap Top

WE not reading start menu. 

Windows D will allow me to read desk top but not the start menu.


Bob Ringwald Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet
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Amateur (ham) Radio K6YBV

The reason Mayberry was so peaceful and quiet was because nobody was married. 
Andy, Aunt Bea, Barney, Floyd, Howard, Goober, Gomer, Sam, 
Earnest T Bass, Helen, Thelma Lou, Clara, and of course Opie, all single. 
The only married person was Otis, and he stayed drunk. 
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Re: WE Not Reading Start Menu

[manny via Talk]

Hi Robert,
Try
rebooting
I have found that WE9.2, seems to get lost and disoriented.
I call this becoming corrupted, and just rebooting does the trick.
If after the reboot you still have the problem, then check the set file 
being associated with the start menu.

I would associate the explorer set to the start menu.
the
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my stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. 
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** computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.2 , Dell xps420 Windows 7 home 
premium, with dual boot to windows 10 with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad 
core drivers and software updated. Software recommended: Firefox, 
Thunderbird, security: Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, 
Win Patrol, Roboform, Ninite updater, and Driver buster (which you need 
sighted help because it is all graphic, but works great for updating 
drivers.)

On 8/16/2015 8:32 AM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Windows 7
WE 9.2
Del Lap Top

WE not reading start menu.

Windows D will allow me to read desk top but not the start menu.


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The reason Mayberry was so peaceful and quiet was because nobody was married. 
Andy, Aunt Bea, Barney, Floyd, Howard, Goober, Gomer, Sam,
Earnest T Bass, Helen, Thelma Lou, Clara, and of course Opie, all single.
The only married person was Otis, and he stayed drunk.
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Start Menu

[Pastor Gil Pries via Talk]

Hi Chris,
Were you asking me to send something to you guys?
If so, can you tell me again?
Thanks,

Pastor Gil
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WE is not reading my start menu

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

WE 9.2
Windows 7
Del lap top
64 bit

What should I do?




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The reason Mayberry was so peaceful and quiet was because nobody was married. 
Andy, Aunt Bea, Barney, Floyd, Howard, Goober, Gomer, Sam, 
Earnest T Bass, Helen, Thelma Lou, Clara, and of course Opie, all single. 
The only married person was Otis, and he stayed drunk. 
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Re: WE is not reading my start menu

[net bat via Talk]

try looking in the settings then to check to see if maybe it is useing tablet 
mode.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:39 AM
To: Talk
Subject: WE is not reading my start menu

WE 9.2
Windows 7
Del lap top
64 bit

What should I do?




Bob Ringwald Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet
Fulton Street Jazz Band
916/ 806-9551
www.ringwald.com
Amateur (ham) Radio K6YBV

The reason Mayberry was so peaceful and quiet was because nobody was married. 
Andy, Aunt Bea, Barney, Floyd, Howard, Goober, Gomer, Sam,

Earnest T Bass, Helen, Thelma Lou, Clara, and of course Opie, all single.
The only married person was Otis, and he stayed drunk.
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RE: win 10 start menu

[Richard Petty via Talk]

Is there no longer a task bar where first letter navigation can be used?

Is it possible to use first letter navigation in the user-created desktops?

Is first letter navigation possible anywhere in Windows 10?

Thanks.

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 12:07 PM
To: Christopher-Mark Gilland; Window-Eyes Discussion List; William
Vandervest
Subject: RE: win 10 start menu

Hi Chris,
I would recommend you check out the Windows 10 audio tutorial we recorded as
it contains an overview of the new Start menu. Here is the direct link:
http://getwindoweyes.com/Audio_Video_Archive/Window-Eyes_Tutorials/tutorial_
sections/10-Windows%2010.mp3.
Thanks,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 11:53 AM
To: William Vandervest timelor...@hotmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: win 10 start menu

I've actually heard that the W10 start menu is quite different in some
respects, so yeah, if someone could describe how to navigate it, that would
be very! very very appreciated!

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: William Vandervest via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 11:40 AM
Subject: win 10 start menu


 running we9.2 on win 10 pro desktop with 32 bit cpu and my start menu only

 says cortana when I open it, and tabing says nothing at all, but narater 
 and nvda both work just fine on the start menu
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RE: win 10 start menu

[Steve Clower via Talk]

Richard,

Aside from the change to the Start menu itself, everything else, including 
navigating the task bar and desktop are exactly the same as in Windows 7 and 8, 
including the ability to use first-letter navigation.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 8:44 AM
To: Marc Solomon msolo...@aisquared.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com; 'Christopher-Mark Gilland' 
clgillan...@gmail.com; 'William Vandervest' timelor...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: win 10 start menu

Is there no longer a task bar where first letter navigation can be used?

Is it possible to use first letter navigation in the user-created desktops?

Is first letter navigation possible anywhere in Windows 10?

Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 12:07 PM
To: Christopher-Mark Gilland; Window-Eyes Discussion List; William
Vandervest
Subject: RE: win 10 start menu

Hi Chris,
I would recommend you check out the Windows 10 audio tutorial we recorded as
it contains an overview of the new Start menu. Here is the direct link:
http://getwindoweyes.com/Audio_Video_Archive/Window-Eyes_Tutorials/tutorial_
sections/10-Windows%2010.mp3.
Thanks,
Marc

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Of Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 11:53 AM
To: William Vandervest timelor...@hotmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: win 10 start menu

I've actually heard that the W10 start menu is quite different in some
respects, so yeah, if someone could describe how to navigate it, that would
be very! very very appreciated!

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: William Vandervest via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 11:40 AM
Subject: win 10 start menu


 running we9.2 on win 10 pro desktop with 32 bit cpu and my start menu only

 says cortana when I open it, and tabing says nothing at all, but narater 
 and nvda both work just fine on the start menu
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