Mail filters: are conditional actions possible?
Hi All,
I tend to provide unique email addresses to each company with whom I
deal, and so spam allegedly from a particular company is usually sent
to an address not associated with that company. I should be able to
use this to split spam from genuine messages on a 'per company' basis,
move spam to my 'spam' folder and move genuine messages to
company-specific folder.
Here's a pseudocode example:
{the address I use for bloggco is co-blog...@mydomain.com}
if (sender contains bloggco.com)
then
if (recipient is co-blog...@mydomain.com)
then
(move to bloggco folder)
else
(move to spam folder)
endif
endif
I could set up two filters, but I'd rather use just one if possible.
Is this possible?
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Geoff
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Re: "New version available" dialog box
Using The Bat! 5.8.8 on Windows Vista Build 6002 On Sunday, September 6, 2015, 9:22:40 AM, Peter Meyns wrote: > Options - Preferences - Other Options - Confirmations - [ ]Check for > updates when The Bat! starts Arghh! I unchecked this option. I then closed and reopened the Options dialog box to see if it was still unchecked (it was). However, the "New version available" message has since reappeared. On opening the Options dialog box, I noted that the "check for updates" option has somehow been enabled again. I've looked first thing each morning since, and it seems that the option "auto re-enables" every day :( -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: "New version available" dialog box
Using The Bat! 5.8.8 on Windows Vista Build 6002 On Sunday, September 6, 2015, 9:22:40 AM, Peter Meyns wrote: > on Sun, 6 Sep 2015 08:34:14 +0100GMT (06.09.2015, 09:34 +0100GMT here), > Geoff Lane wrote: GL>> Is there a registry hack or other way to stop this dialog box GL>> appearing whenever I open TB? > Options - Preferences - Other Options - Confirmations - [ ]Check for > updates when The Bat! starts Many thanks -- much appreciated. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
"New version available" dialog box
Hi All, Every time I open TB, a "New version available" dialog box appears. This includes a checkbox to check for new versions. However, even when I've clear this before either going to the download page or clicking Cancel in the dialog box, this dialog box still appears each time I open TB! I get the same behaviour when using TB on my Windows 7 computer, so it's not just this one machine. Is there a registry hack or other way to stop this dialog box appearing whenever I open TB? TIA, -- Geoff Using The Bat! Pro 5.8.8 on Windows Vista build 6002 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: "New version available" dialog box
Using The Bat! 5.8.8 on Windows Vista Build 6002 On Sunday, September 6, 2015, 5:00:23 PM, Leonard S. Berkowitz wrote: > I am on 5.2.2. I do not have the Update Entry. What version do I need > for that entry? I'm on 5.8.8 and the update option is there for that version. It wasn't for the version of TB 5 for which I upgrated. IIRC, 5.8.8 was the latest stable version of TB5 last time I checked and I don't want to buy a licence for version 6 or 7. > What would be an upgrade path to the current version? https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/upgrade_policy.php should have the information you seek. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regex to clean up subject
Using The Bat! 5.8.8 on Windows Vista Build 6002
On Monday, August 31, 2015, 4:04:44 AM, Rick Grunwald wrote:
> Someone once gave me an excellent regular expression that would clean
> up the subject of things like [this] and {that}
> I lost it along with all my mail in a hard drive crash
> If someone has it, could you kindly repost it?
Many years ago, Marck Pearlstone sent me the following to clean up
subject lines:
%subject="Re:
%setpattregexp=""(?i)\A\:?(\s*\[.*\])?(\s*(re|ha|rcpt|fwd|fw)(\[\d*\])?:\s*)*(.*)""%RegExpBlindMatch=""%OSubj""%SubPatt=""5"""Hi
%OFROMFNAME,
However, for most purposes, the %singlere macro does an excellent job
with significantly less fuss!
HTH,
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Cornwall, UK
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Re: Should I upgrade?
On 17 November 2013, 10:39, Chris Wilson wrote: I keep seeing references to version 5.8.10 yet my 5.8.8 said it was the current version right up until the release of V6.0~~~ FWIW, I'm still using 5.2 because every time I've clicked on Help-Check for update, I got a message back telling me that my version of TB! is the most current! I've just checked again, and it's still telling me that -- even though v6 seems to have been released and v5 is allegedly at 5.8.10! That said, TB! 5.2 seems to do everything I need it to, and so I'm in no hurry to update. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v5.2 on Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash
On 27 January 2013, 19:30, Gunivortus Goos wrote: Unfortunately they also destroyed the operating system (Windows 8 Pro)at my system disk and erased my second disk with all my data to install Linux for those tests. Acronis was unable to restore a backup from an external harddisk. The excuse from the company doesn't really help.~~~ Unfortunately, I don't know where the registration key is kept, but I suspect it's not with your message bases as each time I've installed TB! I've needed to reload my key from the email I got when I purchased my licence. If you haven't got a backup of your registration email message, perhaps you can persuade Ritlabs technical support to resend that message (if you can give them enough info to verify your entitlement). FWIW, they resent my v5 registration message when the original hadn't arrived over 48 hours after I bought my upgrade, but that's no guarantee they'll do the same in your case. As to why that company managed to erase the data on your second HD ... there really isn't any excuse for that IMO as they could have booted the computer from a Linux live CD. Distros like Puppy Linux exist largely for this reason and most of the major distros have live CDs from which you can boot without needing to change the contents of your hard drive. Unfortunately, many of these companies' TCs put the onus on you to have a valid backup and they disclaim liability for data loss. I assume that you used Acronis to back up (and verify) data that it subsequently can't restore. If you still have the external HD, I suggest contacting Acronis technical support. After all, it's not good for them if they can't provide the very function for which their product exists! HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v5.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Subject line says (see body)
On 23 January 2013, 17:48, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: This method always failed but the message always re-appeared in the SENT mail folder every time I did this. It wasn't until I changed the subject line from PayPal to PP that the recipient finally received it. This suggests that TB! successfully transmitted the message. That is wasn't getting through to the intended recipient suggests it was blocked en-route between the server TB! handed it to and the recipient's email client. I will refrain from making derogatory remarks about PayPay for fear of retribution but does anyone have any idea as to why this would occur? Often ISP's anti-spam filters, both outgoing and incoming, can be a little overzealous IME. The same can be said of desktop anti-spam software. Your messages probably had to pass through three or more such filters. So many pieces of phishing spam claim to be from Paypal, that some false positives are almost inevitable, and I suspect that your message was falsely tagged as spam. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v5.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrade from 1.62r to 5.3x
On 18 January 2013, 16:17, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Someone on the German list has v1.62r running under Windows XP. He asks whether he can upgrade to 5.3x (just install the new version on top of the existing as usual) without problems. Since the database structure was changed several times between these two versions, I am not sure. Does anybody know? FWIW, I went from v1.6 something to version 5.0 under WinXP with no issues. Hopefully, the same ease of upgrading would apply going to 5.3. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v5.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
ERROR: FETCH - could not store message
Using The Bat! v5.2 on Windows XP Home SP3 I have a two-seat licence. I upgraded my wife's copy from 5.0.34 to 5.2 and now she can't download new messages from our server. The Connection Centre reports that it's retrieving all the messages available but then reports an error similar to the following for each: FETCH - could not store message (file name - C:\DOCUME~1\Jan\LOCALS~1\Temp\bat47.tmp) I've checked permissions on the Temp folder and have no problem creating a file from the command prompt with: echo Test C:\Documents and Settings\Jan\Local Settings\Temp\bat47.tmp I've searched the Internet and found several reports of the same issue with various versions of TB! but no solution. Can anyone help? TIA, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ERROR: FETCH - could not store message
On 09 January 2013, 14:45, Roelof Otten wrote: Thaty kind of error is most likely to occur when you're downloading a message that contains a virus. The message gets downloaded to temp, the virus scanner kicks in and deletes the message. TB tries to import it and can't find it. Use either the mail dispatcher (accont - dispatch mail on server) or your ISP's webmail in order to delete the infected message.~~~ Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, I doubt that this is due to a virus for the following reasons: 1. All my wife's messages are 'stuck' this way 2. I used the control panel on my mail server to copy all of her inbox on the server to my account and then downloaded them to TB! on my machine with no issues. 3. The same issue occurs after I accessed her mail on the server and deleted anything I wasn't completely confident of. Thanks again, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ERROR: FETCH - could not store message
On 09 January 2013, 15:48, Roelof Otten wrote: In that case it might a something like a firewall that kicks in when TB tries to do something. Is you're wife using a different firewall or different settings?~~~ Thanks for the suggestion. I tried disabling the firewall on her machine to no avail. The message bases are on a Samba share, so I logged onto the Linux server with her credentials and ensured that the entire directory tree for the account was chmod 777. I also checked message base folder properties in Windows Explorer and ensured that nothing was read-only. The issue is still present. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ERROR: FETCH - could not store message
On 09 January 2013, 20:59, Paul Van Noord wrote: I wonder if it is because a new license is needed to do from 5.0.34 to 5.2.~~~ Thanks for jumping in. The licence email I have says that my key is good to 6.0.99, so that shouldn't have been the reason. That said, this is getting weirder because my wife's copy of TB! has started working with no apparent reason but my copy of TB! seems to have started downloading each message twice (at least, I'm getting two copies of each and for at least one of the messages, the 'received' figure in one copy is a minute later than the other). This makes me suspect that the root cause might be on the server, so I'll reboot that and see if things settle down! -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to stop TB! from displaying external images etc.
Using The Bat! v5.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 One of the reasons I bought TB! in the first place was that it didn't retrieve external linked images. This behaviour carried forward to 5.0.34. However, I've just updated to 5.2 and now all external images appear and I can't find how to reset TB to the old behaviour. I've gone to Options-Preferences-Viewer/Editor-HTML Viewer and set download of external images to TB's control rather than Internet Explorer (which I don't use) and set Download embedded external images to Configured (reject unknown) and then to Never. However, the external images still appear. Can someone tell me how to stop TB! downloading external images etc? TIA, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to stop TB! from displaying external images etc.
On 29 August 2012, 21:44, I wrote: Can someone tell me how to stop TB! downloading external images etc?~~~ Sorry to reply to my own message, but a few minutes after posting, I discovered the cause of the issue. The 5.2 install had switched from TB's HTML viewer to system viewer (which I suspect is actually IE). Switching back the TB's HTML viewer cured the problem. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v5.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why do people stick to The Bat! when they switch to Linux?
On 28 June 2012, 21:27, MFPA wrote: I was recently looking at a table of suggested Linus equivalents of Windows software at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html. They have an entry for Email client in The Bat style with five suggestions: Sylpheed, Claws Mail, Kmail, Gnus, and Balsa. Are such mail clients really so poor as to merit keeping a Windows client on a Linux machine?~~~ FWIW, reliance on TB! is one of the things that prevent me from going completely over to Linux, so it's good to read that one can run TB! successfully under WINE. To answer your question: In my case there are two reasons:- 1. I have a lot of time and effort invested in my sorting office rules, templates, and address book and have no wish to duplicate that effort. 2. I archive messages rather than just delete them, I'm not sure whether the archive software I use (Mailbag Assistant from Fookes Software) can run successfully under WINE, and I don't want to risk 'losing the lot' if it seems to at first but later turns up a 'gotcha'! HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v5.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Customer Service (was: How to get rid of the X-Priority field)
On 12 March 2012, 19:34, Paul Van Noord wrote: Hi Geoff, On 3/12/2012 Geoff Lane wrote: GL I'm sorry that you feel frustrated. However, while I'm glad of all the GL support that I can get when I need it, I don't take too kindly to GL vendors putting me down -- and I suspect that there are others who GL feel the same way. My post was in no way meant as a personal attack. GL Rather, it was meant to be constructive; to help you and others GL provide better service. FWIW, I would not have made my post if I GL didn't then believe that you were representing Ritlabs or a reseller GL in some official capacity. Hmm... Maybe this is a better example of a put down: You are arrogant, self-centered and do not have a clue... This is meant to be constructive to help you to treat people with respect.~~~ Although you don't know me, you might well be correct. So I'll thank you for your comment and receive it with the spirit in which I infer it was meant. That said, there is a fine line between valid comment and personal attack. I took great care to explain that I was merely pointing out that what Marek wrote probably didn't come out quite the way he meant. Something you conveniently omitted by taking one part of my post out of context. I'll quote the bit you missed below for your convenience: GL I did see your message in entirety. Except for the last two GL paragraphs, it was excellent. That's why I thought that the no GL wasn't meant the way it came out. Perhaps something along the GL lines of, Because of the way TB! handles headers, what you want GL is not possible. might have been better, but a blunt, no is at GL best terse IMO and possibly rude. Now I'm not getting at you GL personally, just explaining that how others interpreted your words GL might not have been what you meant. Since Marek gave the impression that he represented Ritlabs, and since another Ritlabs agent made a similar error when he replied to my earlier email query, I felt it in Ritlab's interest to point out that those remarks could cause offence. It's not in a business's interest to offend it's potential customers. I suspect that a lot of people join TUBDL because they're trialling the software, and such errors might cost Ritlabs their custom. As I wrote, you don't know me. However, know that I have a reasonable amount of experience with localisation issues from which I know that well-intended words can sometimes cause considerable offence. This can happen even between countries whose native tongues are different dialects of the same language. If I've offended you, I apologize. The offence was not intentional. However, unlike Marek, I don't claim to represent anyone other than myself, and you are not my customer. Returning to your post: As I wrote, there is a fine line between valid comment and personal attack. Had you written that my post gave you the impression of arrogance, self-centeredness, and cluelessness, I would have no valid objection as you would have merely pointed out that my words gave that impression. However, you did not. Rather you commented directly upon my character, and so (intentionally or not) engaged in personal attack. Regards, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v5.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Customer Service (was: How to get rid of the X-Priority field)
On 12 March 2012, 11:31, Roelof Otten wrote: Marek Mikus (Czech support of The Bat!): no Do I find such an answer a bit arrogant and so what'ish with regards to Bill's challenge? It's possible that you find it such, but Marek explained that it's an internal field and therefore it cannot be overwritten. I don't know what more you expect, but as moderator of this list I strongly suggest that you keep from personal attacks.~~~ FWIW, I didn't take those words to be personal attack. Don't forget that this is an international forum, even though it is conducted in English. It's very easy to offend even when the language is your native tongue, and even more so when it's someone else's. I assume from Marek's signature block, that he or she is acting as an official representative of Ritlabs or one of their resellers. FWIW, I interpreted Marek's no as blunt and a bit of a put-down. I suspect that Marek didn't actually mean it that way, but even so it's not what I would expect from a customer service representative. So I read the post to which you've taken objection as merely pointing this out. IOW, not a personal attack but a comment about a particular instance of poor customer service that would apply no matter which agent made that remark. FWIW, I suspect that this lack of decent customer service might be rife within Ritlabs from the response I received when I asked by email whether I qualified for a cost upgrade from v1 to v5. Although the reply I received told me what I wanted to know, it also contained an abrupt remark telling me that next time I must register on the web site and use the dedicated form to contact the support team. I have to ask why Ritlabs provide a sales support email address if they don't want us to use it! BTW, that response nearly cost Ritlabs my custom as it prompted me to seriously investigate Thunderbird as an alternative and I would have gone for that if I could have easily migrated all my mail folders and sorting office rules. Personally, I think that St - Musaic.Net was doint Ritlabs a favour by making his post, as that should alert them to the issue of poor customer service and permit them to do something about it. JMHO, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v5.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Customer Service (was: How to get rid of the X-Priority field)
On 12 March 2012, 13:13, Marek Mikus wrote: well, it is really frustrating to see, how thankful users are, if somebody reply them on sunday's night... Yes, i am working for reseller, but I have nothing from You or anybody in this user2user forum and it is my leisure time I am spending here. I'm sorry that you feel frustrated. However, while I'm glad of all the support that I can get when I need it, I don't take too kindly to vendors putting me down -- and I suspect that there are others who feel the same way. My post was in no way meant as a personal attack. Rather, it was meant to be constructive; to help you and others provide better service. FWIW, I would not have made my post if I didn't then believe that you were representing Ritlabs or a reseller in some official capacity. Perhaps you'd consider modifying your From header and signature block to make it clear that your posts are personal rather than on behalf of a Ritlabs reseller? That way, people like me wouldn't make the mistake of taking your posts to be official Ritlabs response. FWIW, I interpreted Marek's no as blunt and a bit of a put-down. hey, did You saw my message? Is there only no there? I have replied in 4 paragraphs and I have not found a solution, so I replied no in fourth of them. I did see your message in entirety. Except for the last two paragraphs, it was excellent. That's why I thought that the no wasn't meant the way it came out. Perhaps something along the lines of, Because of the way TB! handles headers, what you want is not possible. might have been better, but a blunt, no is at best terse IMO and possibly rude. Now I'm not getting at you personally, just explaining that how others interpreted your words might not have been what you meant. I suspect that Marek didn't actually mean it that way, but even so it's not what I would expect from a customer service representative. this is *not* official customer service but user2user forum, I am not representative of Ritlabs, they have their ticket system for registered users.~~~ Again, perhaps it would help if you made it clear that you are not representing Ritlabs or its resellers when you post to this forum. I think my error regarding the status of your post was understandable considering that you claim to be, Czech support of The Bat! Nonetheless, I apologize if my error has caused you offence. I hope this better explains things, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v5.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat and Mac computing
On 17 August 2009, 21:51, Jens Franik wrote: I wouldn't do this, check out http://www.virtualbox.org which is smaller, easier, faster and more stable (my opinion). The exported Machines can be run on other Platforms too. It's availiable for Win, Linux, Unix, Mac. ~~~ FWIW I've switched from MS Virtual Server to Sun VirtualBox. VirtualBox is simple to use and a lot more stable than the MS product. I've run it under Linux (Ubuntu 8.10 and 9.04) and Windows XP Pro and found it lets me run Windows Server 2000 continually for months without requiring reboot. However, I do have one issue with VirtualBox, which is that I have to keep the user account on the host machine logged in. There are allegedly two ways around this: - Use srvany if running under Windows - Run the virtual machines in headless mode Unfortunately, I've not got either method to work for me. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat and Mac computing
On 18 August 2009, 15:37, Jim Kyle wrote: The difference you cite between server and workstation implementation may explain why I have no problem with VMWare Server; I've not attempted to use VMWare's Workstation package. Virtualbox may well be simply a workstation implementation. That difference is good to have pointed out! VirtualBox is used extensively by hosting companies to provide virtual servers. They're usually run under Linux in headless mode - that is with no primary console - and can be accessed via RDP (remote desktop protocol). However, the two virtual machines I have constantly up are running under Windows XP Pro - and I've never got headless mode working on an XP host. All other virtualized machines I have are demo and/or development servers that I only run when I need to use their consoles. So it wouldn't make sense to run those in headless mode even if I could. Hopefully, this explains things a little better. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Saving messages?
On 14 August 2009, 17:34, Susanne wrote: is there an easy way to save a bunch of messages all at once, to the same folder, instead of one at a time? I'm still using TB version 1, but I'd be surprised if Ritlabs had removed the following functionality: 1. In the message list, select the messages you want to save. To select a contiguous set of messages, click the first then shift+click the last. To select a non-contiguous set, click the first then ctrl+click each additional message. 2. To move the messages to a TB folder, drag them to the appropriate folder in the account tree (or ctrl-drag them to copy). 3. To export the messages to a Windows folder, from the Tools menu point to Export Messages, and click the appropriate item. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Saving messages?
On 14 August 2009, 18:25, tracer wrote: I used a v1 I think 10 years ago... Are you sure you don't like to have a more up to date version??? To be honest I used v1 and then v2 and then v3 and now v4 and if you ask me if it improved a lot I cannot remember what v1 did or didn't... ~~~ I'm using v1 because it does what I need and I'm a great believer in the axiom that if it isn't broke there's no need to fix it. I have three licences and can't justify paying almost $100 to upgrade to v4. Also, AIUI, later versions of TB aren't as strict as v1 about not retrieving external images etc. Further, I have a lot of sorting office filters and custom templates that I consider essential and that I don't want to risk compromising by upgrading. I know that v1 won't work with Vista - but that's OK because I don't use my one Vista machine for email. Sooner or later I know that I'll have to change my operating system - but I'm more likely to switch to Linux than to Vista or Windows 7, and Thunderbird is thus more likely than TB v4 to replace TB v1! -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Saving messages?
On 14 August 2009, 18:13, Susanne wrote: What I'm looking for is a bulk way of saving several hundred messages as txt files in a windows folder. .eml and .msg are just text files. So you could bulk export as either and then run a VBScript (or whichever language you preferred) utility to strip the unwanted headers (or live with the extraneous info if not too onerous). -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Trashed common folder
Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 I've got (at least, had) a common folder that I used like a PIM to record all sorts of stuff. Unfortunately, the folder has disappeared from my Account Tree. I recreated the folder to point to the same physical folder and all the subfolders, complete with TBB and TBI files still exist. However, in TB my common folder is empty. Is there a way to quickly import all the old subfolders, complete with contents, back into the top-level common folder? TIA, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Trashed common folder
On 21 March 2009, 20:51, Roelof Otten wrote: GL Is there a way to quickly import all the old subfolders, complete with GL contents, back into the top-level common folder? Set focus to the account tree pane and press Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L ~~~ Thanks for that - worked like a charm. Much appreciated. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Missing content
Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Increasingly, I've been getting email messages (most of which I suspect are spam) with no content. When I check the headers, they all have this feature: The content-type header is split over two lines, e.g: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary1233586719ICEmail Server=== The content type can be multipart/alternative or mixed. The content is truncated immediately after the first boundary marker, e.g: --===1233586719ICEmail Server===-- Unfortunately, the BBC is the latest to send these mal-formed messages to me. It's an issue because more and more organisations are sending messages with split boundary markers and TB doesn't seem able to handle them. Is this a known issue with TB! version 1, and if so is there a work-around? TIA, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tb! loosing focus
On 12 November 2008, 19:50, Luc wrote: when i click on a link in a message to open it in my browser, the browser opens thus hiding TB! ~~~ If you press Alt+Tab Windows should bring back the window that just lost focus. If you hold down Alt then press Tab, Windows should open a ribbon with icons for all open applications. Repeated pressing of Tab cycles the selection among those icons. When you release the Alt key, Windows gives the focus to the window corresponding to the selected icon. Not a setting in TB!, but it might make life easier by letting you quickly bring the focus back to TB! HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard disk? Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mailing / Discussion List
On 16 October 2008, 19:57, Jeff Gaines wrote: Any thoughts? Anybody doing something like this and able to suggest something better? ~~~ Have you taken a look at http://www.freecycle.org/ ? The Freecycle Network sounds like what you're trying to do and if it is they can offer support to help you set up your own group. They use Yahoo Groups both for the recycling and for group owners/moderators to communicate. http://www.freecycle.org/group/UK/South%20East gives a list of existing groups in the South East and there may be one or more near you that your village could join - for example, there are two for the New Forest. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard disk? Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters: Run External Process
On 11 September 2008, 10:23, Simon wrote: When I run my converter, it creates a couple of temp files and folders in the system temp folder. When run manually I can see these being created and removed as the program executes and ends. I also tried this with TB! executing the .exe and TB! is executing it because the temp files and folders are appearing and disappearing. However, the exe isn't running in the voicemail folder, and I know that for certain because the exe unpacks 4 files into the folder it is run in, runs the script then clears up afterwards. You can see these files appear when run manually, but they do not appear in my voicemail folder. ~~~ I suspect that you might need to map \\[obfuscated] to a network drive and change to that early in your script. Assuming that you don't use Z: for anything (if you do, use an alternative drive letter) you can do this with: net use Z: \\[obfuscated] Z: cd \Voicemail Then clean up at the end with: C: net use Z: /delete Alternatively, you can permanently map the drive so that you don't need to create and destroy the mapping each time you run the filter. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Insanity is hereditary ... you get it from your kids! Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with a filter
On 03 September 2008, 05:07, O. Martin Moran wrote: If SENDER is [EMAIL PROTECTED] delete the message Unless SUBJECT is SUBJECT THAT I WANT ~~~ In TB! version 1, you add a second condition to the rule by pressing Alt+Insert. This lets you create a compound rule with the semantics: Sender contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the subject is not SUBJECT THAT I WANT These are the two lines of a suitable filter String: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Field: Sender / Presence: Yes String: SUBJECT THAT I WANT / Field: Subject / Presence: No Hopefully, it'll be similar in later versions. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Word Happens Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Speaking of signatures
On 29 August 2008, 03:07, Rick wrote: Interesting ... I have thought it would be interesting to have a counter - count down to an event for instance or count up (how many days since) in a cookie. I have not thought it a serious enough enough feature to suggest it :)) ~~~ That's fairly easily done if you have an application that can independently maintain a text file that contains the cookie. You then use a PUT macro to insert the content of the text file into your message. For example, for a countdown to Christmas you could use the following VBScript: Dim Christmas, DaysToGo, Cookie, fso, f Christmas = CDate(25 December 2008) DaysToGo = DateDiff(d, Now, Christmas) If DaysToGo 0 Then Cookie = DaysToGo days until Christmas ElseIf DaysToGo 0 Then Cookie = DaysToGo days since Christmas Else Cookie = Happy Christmas! End If Set fso = CreateObject(Scripting.FileSystemObject) Set f = fso.CreateTextFile(C:\temp\countdown.txt, True) f.Write Cookie f.Close Set f = Nothing Set fso = Nothing If you save that as (say) C:\temp\countdown.vbs you can call this with the command wscript c:\temp\countdown.vbs //B (//B suppresses any dialog boxes the script might show) You can run this as a scheduled task under Windows. In your template, include the macro: %PUT=C:\temp\countdown.txt This should be easy to modify to get a countdown cookie for your own purposes. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 UK and USA - two countries divided by a common language Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Speaking of signatures
On 28 August 2008, 12:33, MAU wrote: The macro set MyMacros for The Bat! includes two macros specific for Winamp: %WinAmpStatus %WinAmpTitle You can download them from http://thebat.zetema.de/zip/mymacros.zip The ZIP file includes a 'readme' and a Help file which explains all macros available in the set and how to use them. ~~~ Excellent - thanks Miguel. I don't normally run with VTitleSpy enabled and just did it there to illustrate how the PUT macro can insert text from an external program since it seemed relevant to the OP's question. Unfortunately, as you can see from my sig, I'm running a very old version of TB! and it seems that MyMacros doesn't work with TB version 1? -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Major coffee failure - operator halted. Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Speaking of signatures
On 28 August 2008, 16:36, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I see. I hadn't caught the gist of your question. I don't see how an external command could technically do that, I think the macro needs a command that requests the information. However, I don't know how the macros and templates really work behind the scenes, so I am not sure it's impossible. Personally, I cannot imagine a need for this though. Can you help my imagination and describe a scenario? ~~~ I know that the sorting office filters can create a temporary text file to contain the message content and pass the name of that file to an external command as the first formal parameter. As I write, I've no idea whether the external command can modify the message content so I've set up a small experiment to pause processing to let me modify the file by hand and see what happens. If this text goes through unaltered, it means that an external command set in an outgoing filter won't be able to modify message text. In the meantime, as I wrote upthread, there are uses for this sort of thing. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Speaking of signatures
On 28 August 2008, 17:08, Geoff Lane wrote: I know that the sorting office filters can create a temporary text file to contain the message content and pass the name of that file to an external command as the first formal parameter. As I write, I've no idea whether the external command can modify the message content so I've set up a small experiment to pause processing to let me modify the file by hand and see what happens. If this text goes through unaltered, it means that an external command set in an outgoing filter won't be able to modify message text. ~~~ Ah well, I experimented to see whether the original or the changed text would be sent - and the unmodified version of my message made it. So, it looks like the answer could be the %Run macro (from MyMacros). -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 RamDisk is *not* an installation procedure Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Speaking of signatures
On 27 August 2008, 02:33, Thomas Fernandez wrote: JF Is it possible to have a external Command executed and the Output of it JF inserted into the Template? Would be interesting... JF (i never did this) An internal command (%Cookie=) will insert the cookie. Why would you want to use an external command for that? ~~~ You might want to include some time-variable information, such as how many days remain to an epic trip, or something as mundane as what is currently playing on Winamp. See the last line of my sig? This was created with a Winamp plugin called VTitleSpy that generates a text file containing just that last line, which it keeps up to date so that you know I was actually listening to Afro Celt Sound System while typing this message. To insert the text output from an external command, use the PUT macro, in my case it's: %PUT=c:\temp\vtitlespy.txt Thinking about it, another reason you might want to insert the ouptut from an external command is to mark each message with a hash of the current date/time so that your mail server can detect whether bounces are from you or whether they're backscatter from the activities of spammers etc. At least one firewall device uses this method to filter out backscatter, so I suspect it'd be worthwhile if you get lots of that. I suspect there are many other reasons why someone might want to include the output of an external program, and that I've merely scratched the surface. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 squawkpieces of eight; squawkpieces of eight; squawkpieces of nine; SYSTEM HALTED parroty error Winamp now playing Afro Celt Sound System - Even In My Dreams Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Speaking of signatures
On 26 August 2008, 18:20, Gunivortus Goos wrote: There's a handy program for generating random cookies. It's called cookie jar and it's free. http://sourceforge.net/projects/kookiejar/ But in TB you don't need that, TB has a built-in option for cookies. Just gather your favourite cookies in a plain ASCII file (a .txt file, f.i. made with notepad) and save that somewhere, f.i. in your The Bat directory. Then rightclick the mouse on a folder in the folder tree. Choose 'Properties', then under Template 'New message'. Put the cursor in the right window near above your sig delimiter, where you want to appear the cookie, Then rightclick again and choose: 'Cookie from a file' Then led the upcoming window to your cookies file. ~~~ TB (at least my early version of TB) also lets you insert random cookies into messages using a folder or contact template. Just place a cookie macro: %COOKIE=C:\Mail\Cookies.txt (where C:\Mail\Cookies.txt is the path of a text file with one cookie per line) at the point where you want the cookie to appear. This is how the cookie (tag line) got into the end of my sig. Since you can configure this only for folders and or groups for which you want to use cookies, and also use different sets of cookies for different recipients, I suspect this might be more flexible than KookieJar. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Press any button to continue, any other button to quit Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office filters - again
On 23 August 2008, 02:33, Roelof Otten wrote: In that case check your condition again, might be a matter of a trailing space that's been copied along while it shouldn't have been. Happened once to me, I couldn't understand why my filter didn't get triggered.. ~~~ Thanks again Roelof, That's one of the first things I checked but my filters still don't work. AFAICT, these two are the only one that do not - but then they are the only filters I have that don't filter on either the sender or subject line. I'm going to change my mail delivery route soon to bypass the server that added the certain header, so I've now deleted that filter leaving only the one that should filter on date. Unfortunately, as you say, TB seems to assess the age of a message from the date received not the date apparently created, and I need to filter on the latter. Spammers send a lot of messages with the creation date in the past. I suspect they do this to get past spam reporting tools that won't report messages more than a few days old. Whatever, I sort messages by date created, not date received. So these old messages get shoved to down the list and I need to use Ctrl+Alt+Right to get to the next to delete it. Unfortunately, I've just changed laptop and the video driver intercepts Ctrl+Alt+Right and interprets this as an instruction to change the orientation of the screen image so that it's on its side! I know there are work-arounds, but this is infuriating and I can't find a way to turn it off in the video driver :( -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sorting Office filters - again
Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Sorry for this, but yet another issue with SO filters. I'm trying to dump incoming messages that are apparently older than 30 days to my spam bin. The filter is the topmost in the list. In the Advanced tab, I selected Message is older than and set the days to 30 but the filter didn't work. So I tried setting the rule for this filter that Sender included '@', but it still didn't work so I tried changing this to Sender not containing 'zzz' (both rules were in addition to the Advanced setting). It still doesn't work and TB still isn't directing to my spam bin messages apparently created as far back as 1980. A filter that I tried to set up to dump messages that contained a certain header in the Kludges also didn't work, so is there an issue with TB v1 and XP, am I missing something about how filters are supposed to work, something else? (BTW, including the two that don't work I have 96 SO filters) TIA, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office filters - again
On 22 August 2008, 17:26, Roelof Otten wrote: I don't know whether you're missing something about how filters are working nor do I know about any issues between TB v1 and Windows XP. However, what I do know is that when you're using 92 filters, it's easy to have some other filter interfering with the one that you're trying. So whenever a filter doesn't deliver, the first thing I do is moving it to the top of the list and try it again. ~~~ Thanks. For info, I already did as you suggested without success. The two filters I'm having trouble with are the top two in the list. I've also tried moving them down a couple of places in case the number of filters was causing an issue. Unfortunately, that didn't work either :( -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sorting Office filter doesn't work
Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Although I've used TB for years (as you can probably tell from the version I'm using), I'm having trouble with one particular Sorting Office filter. My ISP adds a special header on which I want to filter. Pressing F9 to show the entire message including headers tells me that this is: X-pstn-xfilter: y I've copied this and pasted it into the signal string cell of the filter, set Presence to Yes, and tried setting the location to Kludges and then, when that failed, to Anywhere. This is an alternative set for this filter and the other alternative sets work as expected. Can someone tell me where I'm going wrong? TIA, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office filter doesn't work
On 14 August 2008, 15:04, Roelof Otten wrote: The first thing that comes to mind is that you might have something like a trailing space in your condition string. Kludges would be the right location. ~~~ Thanks for that. I checked and there are no trailing spaces. I copied the header to the Windows Clipboard and pasted it directly into the Strings cell at first. I've also tried pasting the header into a text editor and copying from there to ensure I don't carry over an EOL etc. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fookes' Mailbag Assistant and TB!
On 28 July 2008, 07:44, The Janitor wrote: Which folder do I select to tell MA to include all messages (if possible) or one account's messages otherwise? ~~~ I'm using a very old version of TB but the latest version of MBA and I have to navigate to and open the TBB file for each folder. The All Mailboxes option in the Open Mailbox dialog of MBA is just to let you choose which mailbox type (e.g. Outlook, TB, Mozilla) to open and for The Bat! each TBB or MSB file is a mailbox. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?
On 05 February 2005, 10:46, Tony Boom wrote: To be honest, I'm easy either way. I have no problem with displaying html images direct from the web in email, it can't hurt can it? ~~~ I, for one, am very glad that TB won't display external images, and it's the main reason why I was prepared to pay for TB rather than use one of the numerous freebie MUAs. External images can be used for malevolent purposes. For example, as web beacons to track your usage, or for spammers to verify your e-mail address. So, yes, displaying html images direct from the web in e-mail can hurt. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Pedestrian: A motorist who found a parking space Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?
On 05 February 2005, 14:07, Thomas Fernandez wrote: GL FWIW, I didn't claim it to be either a security or a privacy issue - GL just something that I don't want. Others may want it. It is requested as an option only. GL However, there are known security issues with html images that can GL cause buffer overruns and, in the right (or should that be wrong!) GL circumstances, give an attacker control over your computer. [...] I agree with everything you say. However, there are some newsletters I trust, and I would whitelist only those. It is my own responsibility to choose membership in the whitelist reasonably, but it is not my MUA's responsibility to nanny me. It wouldn't effect you, Geoff, if I, Thomas, made a mistake and allowed malicious code on my computer. It would be my own problem entirely. ~~~ I'm not saying for one moment that these things should not be available for those who want it - just that you should have the option to turn them off if you don't. Someone suggested that opening external images directly couldn't hurt. I just wanted to point out that it can -- with that information it should be up to each to assess the risk and act accordingly. That said, you can retrieve the entire message, external images and all, even in 1.62. All you have to do is double-click the icon for the HTML page to open it in your default browser. So, if you want to subscribe to newsletters that you trust and that contain external images, you can even with TB 1.x HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Tagline theft ... the sincerest form of flattery Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?
On 05 February 2005, 18:08, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: But it doesn't disqualify HTML email either just because one or the other programmer screwed up and built code vulnerable to attacks. I have trust in RITlabs to make their code as best as possible. ~~~ FWIW, I strongly suspect that Microsoft didn't intentionally foist vulnerable code on its users - and I'm confident that RitLabs won't either. Notwithstanding that, if you don't support a particular function, you can't be susceptible to vulnerabilities of that function. Now, TB may well have undiscovered vulnerabilities with respect to off-page images: we don't know. Also, because TB has a fewer users than the MS MUAs, I suspect that most potential attackers won't bother. That said, if you never retrieve off-page images, you won't be vulnerable to attacks they may permit. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Floggings will continue until moral improves! Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version compatibility
On 16 January 2005, 23:20, Roelof Otten wrote: That's neither a bug in TB or Windows, but it's another program that keeps associating itself with .eml You might get a clue by checking which program is associating itself with the extension. ~~~ Hi Roelof, and thanks. There's a bug. If I reboot my computer and then, before starting TB, check in My Computer-Folder Options for the settings for .eml, Windows reports that it is associated with The Bat!. When I start TB, I get a message saying that TB is no longer associated with .eml files and asking whether I want to remake the association. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version compatibility
On 16 January 2005, 23:46, Marek Mikus wrote: There were many changes in file structure, there was changed account configuration format (file changed from ACCOUNT.CFG to ACCOUNT.CFN), format for storing folders structure (file changed from ACCOUNT.FLX to ACCOUNT.FLB), format for storing filters (file changed from ACCOUNT.SRX to ACCOUNT.SRB) etc. Format for storing messages (MESSAGES.TBB) is unchanged from version 1.42, so they will not be changed. ~~~ Thanks. Taking Marek and Roelof's posts together, it would appear that if I install TB3 on another machine and use that with my live account files, any changes to the message bases (TBB and TBI) will be available in 1.62 provided that I don't change the filters, folder structure, etc. TB3 will create some new files that I may want to delete if I choose not to upgrade. Because the account files are stored on the network, I can trial TB on the spare machine while leaving 1.62 installed on my normal computer and I can switch between the two provided that I don't make structural etc. changes and I close TB on one machine before opening it on the other. Is that correct? TIA, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Do radioactive cats have 18 half-lives? Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version compatibility
On 17 January 2005, 11:48, Roelof Otten wrote: GL There's a bug. If I reboot my computer and then, before starting TB, GL check in My Computer-Folder Options for the settings for .eml, GL Windows reports that it is associated with The Bat!. When I start TB, GL I get a message saying that TB is no longer associated with .eml files GL and asking whether I want to remake the association. That's odd. Can't remember that from my 1.62 days, though I never used that with XP. What hasppens when you tell TB to stop checking whether it's properly associated? ~~~ Hi Roelof, To be honest, I don't know what happens if I configure TB not to check. I assume that the message would go away and, hopefully, double-clicking an .eml file would open that file in TB. FWIW, my computer stays on all the time notwithstanding rebooting once per week as part of my maintenance plan. I have a three-user business license with TB installed on additional machines. All the computers that have TB run XP SP1 but my workstation is the only that exhibits this behaviour. With all that said, it's a minor annoyance only, so I haven't given any time to its resolution. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard disk? Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Version compatibility
Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 I've been a satisfied TB users for a few years and suspect that it may be time to upgrade from version 1! However, I'd like to trial the latest version before committing, hence the following questions: - Will using v3 on existing account files render them unusable in the 1.62i? - If I install v3 Professional over an existing 1.62i installation, is it possible to easily revert to 1.62i? If so, does the reversion just entail uninstalling v3, or do I have to go through a reinstallation and reconfiguration of 1.62i? TIA, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version compatibility
On 16 January 2005, 11:23, Raymund Tump wrote: - Will using v3 on existing account files render them unusable in the 1.62i? As far as I know, they changed the account files at some stage of development. - If I install v3 Professional over an existing 1.62i installation, is it possible to easily revert to 1.62i? If so, does the reversion just entail uninstalling v3, or do I have to go through a reinstallation and reconfiguration of 1.62i? You can try the v3 in a separate directory with its own account structure. There is a special command line parameter for it. ~~~ Thanks, Raymund. I was afraid of the change in account files. I have a spare computer on which I can install TB3 for trial purposes. Unfortunately, that'll only be feasible if I can think of some way of testing it without corrupting my existing account files. I could back up the account, try TB3, then restore the old account files. Unfortunately, that would lose all messages sent and received while working with TB3. I could export to .msg all messages sent/received in TB3 but I have nearly a hundred folders and the export/import would take too long. I suspect the best way to do the trial would be to find a throwaway freebie mail account that allowed POP3 access and sign up that account to a mailing list or two ... unless someone else can think of a better idea? -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Keyboard not connected. Think F1 to continue. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version compatibility
On 16 January 2005, 15:17, Mary Bull wrote: Anyway, I guess my question is, why are you thinking about changing to v. 3.xx from v. 1.62 just at this particular time? ~~~ Several reasons: 1. There's a bug in either Windows or TB that keeps disassociating TB from the .eml extension, which means that I need to remake the association each time I reboot the computer. I know that it only takes one click to do, but it's annoying. 2. There's a bug in the message list pane on my main computer where bold text (indicating that a message is unread) varies in boldness from not much heavier than normal text to very heavy. This means that some unread messages look read in the message list. 3. I'm using SpamPal for anti-spam purposes. Unfortunately, I'm finding it keeps dumping ham into my spambin. I would like to relax the filters a little in SpamPal and do some extra filtering in my MUA. Hopefully, that will give me more flexibility and be easier to fine-tune. AIUI, TB! v 3 has spam filtering capabilities that 1.62 has not. 4. Occasionally, I need to send HTML mail (i.e. when formatting of tables, lists, etc. is needed). v 1.62 can't send HTML natively, so I use a kludge that Allie described some time ago and alter the headers in a text editor. 5. My mail server has an available upgrade that provides IMAP to more-elegantly resolve my client-server with occasional remote working business model. At present, I keep account files on the server and TB is configured on each machine with account files at P:\Mail (where P: maps to the user's home folder on the network). When I'm remote working, I copy the account files to a local folder that I then use the SUBST command to map that folder to drive P: If my understanding of IMAP is correct, I should be able to specify certain key account folders to mirror locally and thus avoid the need for the manual copy. Of course, I shall stay with v 1.62 if v 3 doesn't meet my expectations, which is why I want to be sure I have a reversion path. Thanks, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Vitual Folders
On 17 April 2004, 06:11, rich gregory wrote: The trash will not delete messages older than X days for me even though I seem to have everything set right. :( ~~~ I couldn't see which version you're using but in TB 1.62, I need to purge the folder before the expired mail goes. (either select the folder then from the Folder menu, choose Purge+Compress; or from the Folder menu, choose Purge All Folders). HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 squawkpieces of eight; squawkpieces of eight; squawkpieces of nine; SYSTEM HALTED parroty error Current version is 2.10.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Euro character
On 25 July 2003, 09:30, Jan Oetjen wrote: what - in return - produces an empty black border rectangle unless the font you are using is support the ? character in it's font table. ;) ~~~ Just like other characters, the euro symbol is only available when the font includes it. All the Windows main fonts (arial, TNR, etc.) now have euro symbols, but you may need to update the fonts on your system to get that symbol. IIRC, you can get the update fonts from the Windows Update site. That said, I didn't tell the full story. AltGr+4 gives the euro symbol on my machine, but some need AltGr+e or another combination. The full story can be found at: https://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/itsolutions/techsol/euro/symbol.asp HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 All I did was press this button and !$!(()%^%!... Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Euro character
On 25 July 2003, 11:01, Tim wrote: What is AltGr? ~~~ AltGR is the Alt key to the right of the spacebar. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 A procrastinator's work is never done. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Euro character
On 24 July 2003, 18:50, Peter Kerekes wrote: I can get a number of off-key-characters using Altletter or AltShiftletters but not the euro. ~~~ ? can be obtained on keyboards that have a font that includes the Euro by pressing AltGr+4 (which is how I produced the ?'s in this paragraph). HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Help ... I can't find my Any key! Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: I've Asked Several Times
On 21 July 2003, 20:46, Paul Cartwright wrote: JA That would be because it's an auto-responder, he's not doing it, he's JA sending mail to /dev/null, and bouncing a message. As he is being JA ignorant to instructions it might just be better for a moderator to JA drop the address. I might also add, you can always send a copy to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ I sent this clown a private message telling him how to unsubscribe. That also got an auto-reponse telling me that my message was deleted unread. My only option now appears to be to send a LART via his upstream provider ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 I procrastinate, therefore I will be. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I've Asked Several Times
On 21 July 2003, 22:51, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: It might, but I can be as childish as the next guy when riled. I've put the guy on moderated and written him a shirty private mail. So he'll still get all the message but his posts won't get through anymore. I'll probably let him out in a couple of days once I get over the indignation at the level of ignorance shown :-). ~~~ He's set up his auto-responder to delete messages unread. He won't see the messages from the list. Similarly, he's set up an auto-responder to delete unread any direct mail about his TBUDL subscription. When I wrote asking him to use the subscription management web page or, should that fail, ask you or Allie to unsubscribe him, I got an auto-response just like the Non-response Notifications he sent to the list. I've complained to his ISP and asked them to forward instructions for unsubscribing. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 All I did was press this button and !£$!(()%^£%!£... Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: archiving
On 09 July 2003, 01:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of weeks ago I asked about the best way to archive TB mail. Someone was kind enough to reply with a third party app that seemed like the best option. Unfortunately I misplaced the email with the link. Would someone be kind enough to reply with that link? Also...I'd like to switch my email address for this mailing list from this crappy AOL address...to one on my own domain. How can I make the change? ~~~ At a guess, that would be Mailbag Assistant, by George Fookes (http://www.fookes.com/) The easiest way that I can think of to change subscription e-mail address is to sign off the list then sign on with the required address. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Floggings will continue until moral improves! Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB listed as Bulk Mailer
On 30 June 2003, 11:27, Terry wrote: A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SMTP error from remote mailer after end of data: host mail.abc.com [xxx.xxx.34.130]: 554 5.7.1 Content filter bulk mailer rejection ~~~ Are you sure that it's because of TB! being listed? I only ask because I got a spate of these a few months ago that turned out to be due to another customer of my ISP running an open relay. Some DSBLs had blacklisted the entire netblock, which contained my ISPs SMTP relay server. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Help ... I can't find my Any key! Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proxy servers
On 29 June 2003, 01:09, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: By definition, a proxy server should be on a LAN. An ISP would not be running a proxy server for users. I've never heard of that setup. Of course, I could be wrong, but it makes no sense to me. ~~~ FWIW, my ISP (Plusnet) runs a proxy for its users. However, they do give the option whether to use the proxy. Does the OP have a similar choice? -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Press any button to continue, any other button to quit Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spammers Using TheBat
On 27 June 2003, 04:54, Greg Strong wrote: ,- [ 4 line from the bottom of your headers ] | X-MSMail-Priority: Normal `- Looks like a forgery to me. ~~~ However, these headers guarantee that the message is spam. FWIW, I've just set up a filter to delete without downloading anything that has both X-Mailer: The Bat! and X-MSMail-Priority: in the headers. Perhaps it should be published that any message with both these headers is guaranteed to be spam so that SA, Spampal, POPFile, et al. can wipe them out of inboxes World-wide? -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Just when I hit bottom, someone hands me a shovel. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Detecting HTML Spam
Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 A significant amount of spam is getting past my anti-spam service and the filters in TB Sorting Office. The spam has these characteristics: 1. HTML format 2. Addressed to me (i.e. my address is in the To: field) 3. In the HTML source, the content is broken up by HTML comments. Presumably to get around keyword filters. If I can find some way of detecting the opening HTML comments (less-than exclamation-mark dash dash), I can use spammy's ploy to get around keyword filters to dump the spam. However, TB seems to ignore these characters when testing the Text against an entered string. Is there a way to detect the HTML comments in a Sorting Office filter? TIA, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK Do radioactive cats have 18 half-lives? Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Detecting HTML Spam
On 26 June 2003, 14:01, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: TB's filter system won't let you look at attachments in that way, more's the pity. You could take Mike Apsey's somewhat extreme but clearly effective recommendation to reject all HTML mail out of hand. ~~~ I agree -- I'll have to see if I can tag these upstream with some pre-processing on the mail server. A suitable header would let TB filter these messages with ease. Unfortunately, I can't afford to reject all HTML mail because a lot of work comes my way via e-mail and I have no control over how my potential clients set up their MUAs. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Tagline theft ... the sincerest form of flattery Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Detecting HTML Spam
On 26 June 2003, 14:00, Tim wrote: Any reason why you're not using POPFile? I've been getting a few of this type of spam, and POPFile is correctly identifying them all as spam. ~~~ I use another anti-spam filter with very good effect on my server. Currently, I'm dealing with over 300 UCE messages per day sent to the five domains for which I'm postmaster. Most spam gets stopped at the server. On a typical day, maybe a dozen get past the filter on my server. That said, the filter has rather conservative settings (i.e. it doesn't use aggressive DSBLs), so I can expect a few to slip through that net. Perhaps I'll look at POPFile -- but I have enough already in the chain between the outside World and my inbox and would rather tackle this irritation in TB if possible. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 This tagline is false Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
New message using template
Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 In the Address Book, if I select an entry and then choose File-New Message Using Template-(name of template), the default template for the AB group is used. However, if I do a mass mailing for the selected entry, the text appears as expected. Am I doing something wrong? Is this a know bug fixed in a later version? TIA, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK UK and USA - two countries divided by a common language Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message using template
On 21 June 2003, 11:34, Allie Martin wrote: Not fixed in the current beta, so I'd submit a bug report: ~~~ Thanks, I've submitted a report using Help-Feedback. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 No wonder I never get any calls: Every time I call myself its busy! Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing subjects of incoming msg
On 19 June 2003, 12:03, DZ-Jay wrote: I suspect that removing the prefix from the subject lines will do the trick, but how do I do that? ~~~ While it's a PITA if a lot of messages are affected, you can change the subject line like this: 1. Move the message to the Outbox 2. Open the message then edit the subject line 3. Save then close the message 4. Move the message back to the original folder. However, doing this also alters the date/time stamp. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Word Happens Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Incorrect creation dates
Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 I sort messages in most folders by the date of creation. Often, I see messages in the Message List with the value in the Created column at some time in the future. Until now, I'd assumed that there was something wrong with the sender's config, but now I'm unsure because I can't find the incorrect date anywhere in the message headers. For example, here's partial headers from a message that was apparently created on 28 Jan 2010 at 00:59 Received: from localhost (UIDL=2:1048850728.9327.everards) by colossus (VPOP3) with POP3 (Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:00:41 -); 28 Mar 2003 11:25:28 - Received: (qmail 9318 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2003 11:25:28 - Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Mar 2003 11:25:28 - Received: (qmail 16877 invoked by uid 10001); 28 Mar 2003 11:25:27 - Received: from gate10.itr2.co.uk (HELO 10.250.201.103) (62.189.223.170) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Mar 2003 11:25:27 - X-Open-Relay: X-Fake-HELO: 10.250.201.103 X-SQ: I Date: March 28, 2003, 10:00 am I'm currently in BST, which is GMT with daylight saving, but have noticed the same issue while operating in GMT. Can anyone shed some light on this? BTW, I was trying to find a test so that I could identify, and reset the creation date of, all messages created in the future. TIA, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Incorrect creation dates
On 01 April 2003, 13:34, Edvinas Matiusaitis wrote: Well, this is not correct way to write date and time of message, it does not comply to RFC2822. Sender should change his/her misbehaving mail client. BTW, Outlook Express also did not display correct date. ~~~ Thanks. Unfortunately, many of these messages come from services to which I subscribe; some come from mailing lists. It would be extremely rude of me to *demand* that the senders change their messages to comply with RFC822 -- particularly since I'm probably the only person who's noticed and to who it makes a difference. So, I must deal with this issue. At present, I move these messages to my Outbox, insert then delete one space, save the message, then move it back to the folder from whence it came. This effectively modifies the creation/time to the time of saving. Is there an easier way to correct the creation date, preferably automatically? TIA, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Hire teenagers while they THINK they still know everything. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mail Merge take 2
Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 A few days ago, someone else asked about mail merge. I have a related question: I store numeric information about contacts in a database. I can export this to a CSV, but have no idea how to use that in a mail merge. For example, one field gives the number of times an event occurred, which is different for each contact. Are such merge variables possible with TB? If so, how should I go about using them? TIA, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK Psychoceramics ... the study of crackpots. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail Merge take 2
On 30 March 2003, 17:25, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Now compose a QT macro for the Mass Mail you want to do and use the %ABtoFax macro to refer to the data in question. Query it with a construct like this: %If:'%ABtoFax'='1':' first time ':' not the first time ' Does that help? ~~~ Thanks, that was the part I was missing. When I clicked the Macros button, I couldn't find anything for the address book fields. Now that you've mentioned it, I've found the full list in the Help. Thanks again, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 I procrastinate, therefore I will be. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folders
On 09 March 2003, 20:27, steve wrote: Can I sort my folders automatically ?? or do I have to do it manually? ~~~ To sort alphabetically, click the Name column header in the Account Tree and then click OK to confirm that you want to rearrange the folders. You can also rearrange manually. Alt-Drag to move at the same hierarchical level; Ctrl+Alt-Drag to make the folder a child of another folder. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Need a solution? ... just add water. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Accessing mail from two computers
On 07 March 2003, 19:59, Ian Grant wrote: Is it possible to put your E-mail folders on a separate network share and access them from two separate computers. So for example when I'm working on my notebook, i can have access to the e-mail i have here on my desktop, and i can use it as if i was using this copy here. ~~~ I'm doing exactly that. All my users have drive P: mapped to personal network filespace and all installations of TB have P:\Mail as their default message base. All users can access their mail from any computer that has TB installed. However, you do need a fast network and roaming profiles. While this strategy works wonderfully over 100-base-TX, it was painfully slow (i.e. unworkable) over 10-base-T. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Insanity is hereditary ... you get it from your kids! Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Antivirus
On 06 March 2003, 09:00, Mark Partous wrote: According to Webster's the plural is viruses. The Oxford Illustrated does not mention a plural form. ~~~ Oxford Reference Shelf, Science volume (circa 1999) repeatedly uses viruses as the plural. So, lexicographers on both sides of the pond appear to agree. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 UK and USA, two countries divided by a common language Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mark thread read ...
On 04 March 2003, 10:02, Stuart Hemming wrote: Now, if I were reading the root and pressed ctrl-shift-m I rightly see all the messages below it marked as read. However, if I am reading, say, message (2) and did the same thing, I would /expect/ only message (2) and its children to be marked as read when, in fact all of root's messages are so marked. ~~~ IME it depends on whether the message list or the account tree has the focus. If the account tree has the focus, the object that you're applying Mark all as read to is the folder and I would expect all messages in that folder to be so marked. However, if the focus is on the message list, I expect the current thread to be marked. FWIW, this is the behaviour on my system. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 No wonder I never get any calls: Every time I call myself its busy! Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More SPAM fighting
On 27 February 2003, 11:36, Jamie Dainton wrote: Send a mail to Jungle and they will unsubscribe you as they are a proper company (division of argos). ~~~ However, bargain-jungle.com may not be the same company as Jungle.com Pinging: www.bargain-jungle.com returns 216.35.70.238 www.jungle.com returns 129.35.77.19 Additionally, while Jungle.com proudly display their affiliation to Argos, bargain-jungle.com do not. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Floggings will continue until moral improves! Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default E-Mail Client Problem
On 17 February 2003, 02:08, Mary Bull wrote: That little dog takes forever to hunt out a file, and sometimes it will deny that it exists--when I put the file there myself, and by going to Windows Explorer can locate it. ~~~ Now, I've suffered that one and had to suffer a rather humiliating call to the computer manufacturers to resolve it. By the time that I discovered the issues, both my wife and I had spent several hours redoing work because Windows XP failed to find files that we knew we'd created. In my case, there were two issues: 1. The files that I sought were within the Program Files tree. Windows XP now considers Program Files and all it contains to be system folders and doesn't search there by default. To include these folders, in the Search Companion expand Search Options, then Advanced Options, and select System Folders. 2. An Index Server index had become corrupted. To rebuild a corrupted index, go to Administrative Tools - Computer Management (which you can access by right-clicking My Computer in the Start Menu and choosing Manage). Now Expand Services and Applications, then Indexing Service, then System. Now click Directories. Right click the entry for the Directory that you know contains your file and choose All Tasks - Rescan (Full). Returning to the original poster's query: I had something similar when I first started with TB (at 1.53d). In my case, it was because the Registry had no entry for TB, which occurred because I didn't have sufficient permissions when I first installed TB. If you search the archives for this list, you should find my cries of woe and the very informed resolution. However, to put it in a nutshell, I needed to log on as an administrator and then reinstall TB, after which all went well. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Tagline theft ... the sincerest form of flattery Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Installing the Bat! on XP
On 09 February 2003, 09:51, Mike Phillipson wrote: When I try I can get TB working in one user account OK but when I try to run it in any other XP account I get --- The Bat! Cannot access directory C:\DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS\user name\!C:\DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS\ALL USERS\DESKTOP\MAIL ~~~ To me, this suggests that your default mail store is in Documents and Settings and that TB has stored the absolute path to that store. Back up the relevant data then try logging on as the user for which TB does work, then moving the default message store to somewhere that all users can access (e.g., C:\Mail) HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 This tagline is false Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending mail from MS Excel
On 07 February 2003, 10:45, Nick Dutton wrote: I get the following: Run-time error '438': Object doesn't support this property or method Is there something extra that I need to install? ~~~ Unfortunately, I'm stumped. The test that I suggested uses an intrinsic method of the Word.Application object to check whether MAPI is correctly installed. The method failed, which may indicate that your Office installation is somehow corrupt. This may sound silly, but you could try using Remind Me (an excellent shareware calendar thingy from http://www.beiley.com/) to send a reminder email. If nothing else, that will tell you whether your problem is due to Office or MAPI. I tried checking the MS Knowledge Base for MAPI and Run time error '438' but didn't get anything that looked like your problem. Sorry that I can't help further, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 No wonder I never get any calls: Every time I call myself its busy! Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail Ticker
On 07 February 2003, 19:43, chinchi wrote: Is it possible to enable TB mail ticker for particular accounts? It gets enabled for all or disabled for all the accounts. I want to do it for only my main account. ~~~ You can do this on a folder-by-folder basis by right-clicking the folder, choosing Properties, then clicking the General tab, and then selecting or clearing show unread messages on MailTicker(tm) Unfortunately, I don't think that there's a way to do this on a per-account basis. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Keyboard not connected. Think F1 to continue. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending mail from MS Excel
On 06 February 2003, 10:42, Nick Dutton wrote: Can anyone tell me how to make this work please? ~~~ FWIW, I tried the following in the Immediate window of Excel 2000: ActiveWorkbook.SendMail Recipients:=email, Subject:=Test Message and it worked without problems. However, your comment that it works when Outlook is selected as the default mail client but not when TB is selected gives me a clue. Outlook and TB require different versions of the MAPI DLL to act as default simple MAPI handler and I suspect that, while you switched default client, you did not configure TB as the default simple MAPI handler. Outlook is brain dead and can't (IME) act as simple MAPI handler unless it is also the default mail client -- so simple MAPI has no valid handler on your system. Caveat: setting TB as your default MAPI handler may render Outlook unserviceable. To set TB as your simple MAPI Handler: 1. From the Options menu, choose Preferences. 2. Click the Applications tab. 3. Click Install The Bat! as the simple MAPI request hander HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Word Happens Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question about greyed out signatures
On 06 February 2003, 13:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of the messages I see on this list have the signtaure and footer in a light greyed out text. It looks quite sharp. When I send myself a message I am unable to duplicate this effect. Is this a function of The Bat! (something I'm missing), or is it something out illustrious moderator is doing? Thanks. ~~~ The issue is probably that your signature doesn't have a cut line. This is something that many mail clients, including TB, use to determine where the signature starts. Everything below the cut line is considered part of the sig and is greyed out. A cut line consists of two dashes (minus signs) followed by a space. The space character is essential. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Need a solution? ... just add water. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending mail from MS Excel
On 06 February 2003, 15:36, Nick Dutton wrote: Hmmm again. I've done this and still no joy. Is there anything that I should be looking at to check that it's working OK? ~~~ Just a thought, did you reboot after installing TB as your default simple MAPI handler? You can check whether MAPI is configured in Word by issuing the following command in the Immediate window: MsgBox MAPI is IIf(Application.MAPIAvailable, available, not available) (all the above command should be on one line) Because you're working with Excel macros, I assume you know how to access the Immediate window in Word. However, if you don't, here's how: 1. Start Word 2. Press Alt+F11 3. If the Immediate window isn't visible, press Ctrl+G 4. type the MsgBox command above. You should see a message box that tells you whether MAPI is available. Another thought -- AIUI, Windows 2000 and XP are self-healing and can restore essential system files when overwritten. Thus, Windows could (unhelpfully) retore the Outlook version of MAPI. Try running OL after you've set TB as the handler for simple MAPI. If OL starts without complaining, its MAPI library is still installed, in which case, someone else can hopefully enlighten us on preventing Windows restoring that DLL after TB replaces it. Other than that, I'm stumped. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Insanity is hereditary ... you get it from your kids! Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SOT: Winamp
On 29 January 2003, 14:02, chinchi wrote: How does some people's signatures contain the text saying some audio file is being played with Winamp? I first thought this was a feature in the bat 1.63 beta but later saw someone with 1.62 also had it. I can't find any such option in the Perferences or in the Options menu. Can someone tell me how to do that? Is it using some macro? ~~~ It comes courtesy of a plugin for WinAmp. I used to use VTitleSpy, which you can get from the Nulsoft website. Configure VTitleSpy to maintain a text file that shows what is currently playing, then use a %PUT macro in your template to automatically insert the text that VTitleSpy creates. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Antibiotics ... for the man who has everything Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Forwarding messges - cursor jumps to bottom
On 28 January 2003, 12:46, mm Meister wrote: When I forward an email, I like to top post a note along with it. Why does the cursor first jump to the bottom? The second time I try to click in front of the forwarded portion, it works fine. I realize this probably is a feature, not a bug, but can someone tell me how to turn it off? ~~~ The position of the cursor is controlled entirely by the template used when forwarding. If you have a special Forward template enabled for the user, group, or mail folder you must edit that; otherwise, edit the default Forward template for the account like this: 1. From the Account menu, choose Properties. 2. Expand Templates. 3. Click the Forward template. 4. Search for the text, %Cursor 5. Relocate %Cursor to the cursor position you prefer. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Word Happens Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Renaming Short-Cuts?
On 19 January 2003, 10:58, mm Meister wrote: Anyway, this new piece of equipment, which is *almost* perfect, has an unfortunate keyboard. And one that isn't at all like my other machines. They've surely messed up the Alt keys. ~~~ Is this a quirk of Toshiba keyboards, or has your machine not got your preferred keyboard layout installed? If the latter, I suspect you'd be better off changing your keyboard definition to match your other machines. You can change it (on XP Pro) like this: Open the Control Panel and then the Regional and Language Options utility. Click the Languages tab and, in the Text services group, click Details. Check that you have the correct keyboard installed and selected in the Installed services group. You can add another language (and hence keyboard) definition by clicking Add in that group. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Pedestrian: A motorist who found a parking space Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I want to clarify I few things here
On 18 January 2003, 10:12, Robert Silver wrote: Also it makes a product look hoky when graphics com up as square [X] ~~~ Strange enough, those [X]'s give me a warm, fuzzy feeling because I know that another spammer cannot use that potential web bug to verify my e-mail address and I know that some inconsiderate explicative hasn't succeeded in causing me additional costs by getting my router to re-dial to collect their off-page (usually) garbage. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Pedestrian: A motorist who found a parking space Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I want to clarify I few things here
On 18 January 2003, 12:37, Victor B. Gonzalez wrote: The Xs give me a fuzzy feeling too but doesn't necessarily mean X out everything... I should be able to allow viewing HTML in its entirety or be able to choose who can send me HTML formatted mail at least... ~~~ Those [X]'s only appear when the image isn't sent with the message. I don't care if the download is only 2 bytes, the link can be coded to allow the sender to verify your address, which can then become a saleable resource on spam lists. It also allows the sender to verify that you're accessible on-line, and thus a suitable target for a trojan or two. Immunity from such exploits was a major factor in persuading me to part with the cost of business licenses for all users at my site. While I wouldn't abandon TB, I wouldn't upgrade to v2 if it downloaded off-page resources by default. FWIW, you can choose to view HTML in its entirety -- just open the message.htm icon. However, you cannot choose who can send you HTML formatted mail -- if they send it, you must download the whole thing, garbage and all, or delete it from the server after viewing only the header. WRT your likening HTML mail to the heater of a car: The heater on a car (at least, a conventional one that forms part of the cooling system) uses no additional resources. Contrast that with HTML mail, which takes up over the twice my bandwidth and storage than plain text requires. Having said that, I have no objection to TB growing an ability to write HTML mail provided that it does not become the default. Cheers, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Daddy, what does Formatting Drive C: mean? Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Freezing on XP
On 17 January 2003, 19:37, James Van Horn wrote: I know this has been discussed before, but I was hoping to see some results by now. When toggling between windows, 95% of the time, my Bat hangs for about 2-5 seconds before the window shows. The other 5% of the time it will hang completely. ~~~ FWIW, this happened to me on an earlier version. However, I was then storing my mail in a network share on a 10Mb/s network. The initial solution was to store the mail on a local drive and do a daily copy to the server for backing up. Since then, I've upgraded my network to 100Mb/s and TB runs acceptably with the data on a network drive. Grasping at straws, but HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Word Happens Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
On 14 January 2003, 15:11, Andy Holt wrote: 1. Is it worth it? (OK, I know you're all going to say yes!) --- This very much depends on your priorities. If you need all the bells and whistles that Outlook provides (such as HTML, Outlook Forms, or WordMail), then No. If you need the security of an MUA that resolutely refuses to execute malignant code or fetch offsite resources, then Outlook is a non-starter. This is where I came in. 2. (for ex-Outlook 2000 users) Being honest, are there any things that OL 2000 does that you cannot do in TB!, that you miss? --- - Built in calendar functions - Notes (OK, you can fake notes, but it's not the same!) But ... there are things in TB that Outlook can't match. For example, TB's filtering is much more powerful than Outlook's rules; you can attach templates to address book groups and contacts, to message folders and to accounts. Some small examples seem to be that: - I cannot open different folders at once in different windows --- Yes you can. Try this: 1. Double click a message. The folder opens with current message selected. 2. If required, from the View menu of the folder window, choose Message List. 3. Repeat steps 1 and 2 for all other folders you want to view. - I cannot save searches and thus make explorer short cuts to them --- Maybe not, but Edit-Use previous conditions in the Message Finder lets you re-use the last nine searches. - I cannot import OL filter rules (OK that's a one shot problem, but I do have loads) --- As you say, this is a one-off. You also have a bit of a learning curve because the TB Sorting Office makes Outlook look pretty sickg - I cannot export folders back to OL .PST files - this makes a migration more risky ~~~ You can't. However, many of us use a relatively cheap shareware product called Mailbag Assistant (http://www.fookes.com/) to manage archives. This gives much of the benefits of multiple Outlook PST files. AFAIK, the only standard mail format that Outlook understands is individual emails. This does make reverting to Outlook onerous. It's easy to do (export from TB or MBA as individual emails), but time-consuming. FWIW, I've had a few crashes from TB. However, they only affect TB. Contrast this with Outlook, which used to crash far more regularly and take the OS with it, leaving an ungraceful shutdown the only option. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Indent a section of text?
On 09 January 2003, 09:10, Gavin Sinclair wrote: Thank you very much. I wonder how you found that out? My investigation only consisted of all editor menus and the help index (no indent), but I thought that might be enough. ~~~ This is in the help at: Working with The Bat! Message Editor Text Editor Text Editor then follow the link to Block and format commands. That said, because the index and search functions returned nothing for indent, it took a search on keystroke to unearth this information. TB is one application where the Table of Contents is king ;-) HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Just when I hit bottom, someone hands me a shovel. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to ged rid of attachments from message base ?
On 02 January 2003, 11:36, Roelof Otten wrote: Don't know about a trick or a separate program, but you can do that with TB. First select the message, then select the attachment, then delete the attachment (by pressing Delete) ~~~ I haven't tried this, but it could be worth an experiment. In Account Properties / Files Directories, there is an option to store attachments in a separate directory (that is, outside the message base). Would TB apply this to existing messages? If so, could you then use the TBB file apart from the attachment directory? HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Psychoceramics ... the study of crackpots. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version of The Bat! is Obsolete
On 30 December 2002, 09:43, Roelof Otten wrote (of Grisoft AVG): To use their plug-in with TB 1.62, you need to use version 10 of their plug-in ~~~ I installed the AVG plugin before upgrading TB to 1.62. Does this mean that I need to uninstall the existing plugin and install version 10? TIA, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Daddy, what does Formatting Drive C: mean? Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [lost 500 messages][27/12/2002-13:59 GMT]
On 27 December 2002, 16:13, Joseph N. wrote: I personally think it tempts fate to keep that many messages in a mail client, so I use Mailbag Assistant, as do some others on this list. However, FWIW, I'll pass on reports from others here that 1700 messages is not too many for TB! to manage capably. ~~~ I'll second that -- until recently, my archive of this list (a TB message base in a dedicated Archive account) was over 26,000 messages. Although TB still coped, things were slowing up a little -- but then my message bases are on a network drive. If you search the archives for this list, you'll see that I too lost some messages in November when I suffered a system crash. In my case, deleting the TBI files, so forcing TB to reindex, solved the issue. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 All I did was press this button and !£$!(()%^£%!£... Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SOT: Can any one suggest a calendar that works with The Bat!
On 23 December 2002, 06:18, Victor B. Gonzalez wrote: Is anyone using a calendar that works well with TB? I would like to be reminded through e-mail about important events, meetings, etc. I am just looking for a suggestion, sorry for being OT. ~~~ I asked the same question some time ago on this list and someone recommended Remind Me (http://www.beiley.com/remind-me/index.html) One of its features is to send email reminders to whatever address you care to choose. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (SOT?) Double proxies with TB
On 21 December 2002, 00:34, Peter Fjelsten wrote: I have decided to test how good the anti-spamming tools available today are. Therefore I have installed POPfile (an content-based anti-spam agent) and SpamPal (a blocklist-lookup agent). My question goes as to how to set these 2 tools up as they both want TB to have localhost/127.0.0.1 as the POP3 server. I can set the listening port in both agents. I imagine something like: TheBat - POPFile - SpamPal. Is this possible? ~~~ It should be possible to do TheBat-SpamPal-POPFile-ISP. FWIW, I had Norton Antivirus 2001 working with Spampal, and both wanted 127.0.0.1 (localhost). AFAICT, the trick is to get Spampal to use a non-standard port (it configured itself to use port 1110 in my case). You then need to tell TB to connect to localhost on port 1110 with username whatever_POPFile_needs@isp_pop3_server Alternatively, if you can configure POPFile to use a non standard port, you can do it your way around. See the Spampal docs about how to pass the non-standard port info. Check out the Spampal documentation for the a more detailed explanation. The Installation page is quite thorough. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Just when I hit bottom, someone hands me a shovel. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New TB! Release Notification.
On 10 December 2002, 06:12, Chris Weaven wrote: I don't know how many others of you added your e-mail address to the 'new release notification' on the support page on the TB! website, but I've still not heard anything about the Crimbo Edition. When 1.61 came out, I was told by TB! about 2 weeks later! ~~~ FWIW, I subscribed to that list when 1.53d was current. I have yet to receive notification of any new release. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Psychoceramics ... the study of crackpots. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Maximizing TB! using command line...can you?
On 10 December 2002, 01:14, Adam wrote: I don't see options like above. Using Windows XP. ~~~ Windows XP Pro SP1 (my machine): 1. Right-click the Start menu, choose Explore All Users 2. Browse to Programs, which contains the shortcut for TB 3. Right-click The Bat!, choose Properties 4. If necessary, click the Shortcut tab 5. From the Run list, choose Maximized. FWIW, I have a mix of Windows 98, Windows 2000, and Windows XP Pro on my network; they all let you view and modify shortcut properties in a similar way *provided you have the required permissions* If you can't inspect the shortcuts in your Start menu, try logging on with Administrator privileges. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Pedestrian: A motorist who found a parking space Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
