Re: Filter help

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Ian,

On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 you wrote:

IAW> G'day  Jack,


>> Anyone have any idea why the filter caught 39 of them and not any of the 
>> others?

IAW> I have a similar situation where I use the following common filter for 
incoming messages.

IAW> The "members" of the group are set as contacts in an addressbook group.
IAW>  
IAW> I then use \\\Inbox\%AbFromGroup as the destination
IAW> folder and where the members have just one e-mail address, there is
IAW> generally no issue. It is when they have multiple addresses each that there
IAW> appears to be an issue with how the addresses are entered and used.
IAW>  
IAW> I have had to enter a blank line between addresses and even going to the
IAW> start of each address and pressing enter. The extra blank lines get deleted
IAW> (which points to an addressbook issue) so that when you go into the entry
IAW> again the blank lines are no longer there.

IAW> Maybe your issue is similar.

Unfortunately I won't know if Stuart's suggestion bore fruit until I clean out
all the emails that got trapped by the filter because of an error on  my part.
However, if Stuart's suggestion did *not* work as hoped I'll be delighted to try
yours.

Thank you Ian.

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Re: Filter help

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Stuart,

On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 you wrote:

SC> Hello Jack,
SC>   A reminder of what Jack S. LaRosa typed on:
SC>   July 21, 2021 at 12:46:20 GMT -0500

JSL>> It seems so simple and as I mentioned, a "re-filter" action on the source 
folder
JSL>> did find 39 of the emails contained in the block of addresses. But only 
on the
JSL>> first re-filter. Subsequent re-filterings MOVED no more addresses. Even
JSL>> changing the condition ie: SENDER, TEXT, HEADER, MESSAGE SOURCE, or 
HEADER FIELD
JSL>> had no effect. It never did find any more of the multitude of addresses
JSL>> contained in the block.


SC> Did you try Sender "Contains any of" instead of just "Contains"

That MAY have worked Stuart. Un-fortunately, I had a couple of conditions set in
the actual filter from previous tests, and in my haste to try your suggestion I
overlooked them. This caused many emails to get moved to the destination folder
that shouldn't have. I'll have to weed out those inadvertant moves and compare
the final count of emails to the count before the re-filter to see if it has
gone up.

I'll let you know.

Many thanks Stuart.

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Re: Filter help

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Jack,
  A reminder of what Jack S. LaRosa typed on:
  July 21, 2021 at 12:46:20 GMT -0500

JSL> It seems so simple and as I mentioned, a "re-filter" action on the source 
folder
JSL> did find 39 of the emails contained in the block of addresses. But only on 
the
JSL> first re-filter. Subsequent re-filterings MOVED no more addresses. Even
JSL> changing the condition ie: SENDER, TEXT, HEADER, MESSAGE SOURCE, or HEADER 
FIELD
JSL> had no effect. It never did find any more of the multitude of addresses
JSL> contained in the block.


Did you try Sender "Contains any of" instead of just "Contains"

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Re: Filter help

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MAU,

On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 you wrote:

M> Hello Jack,

>> I have a folder which contains multiple unique emails from a particular 
>> group of
>> people. They were originally moved there manually. I wanted to create a 
>> filter
>> for the source folder to look for the characters in their email addresses 
>> which
>> appear before the @ sign, then move those emails to the aforementioned
>> destination folder. When I re-filtered the source folder, only about 39 of 
>> the
>> emails actually got moved. Many more which met the criteria specified in the
>> filter were never moved. I double and tripled checked for typing errors and
>> there were none.

M> It  would  be  much  better that instead of trying to explain what your
M> filter  does,  or  you  think it does, that you copied your filter and
M> pasted it here in the list so that we could really look at the filter,
M> and maybe even test it.

>> I used the block option in the creation of the filter because there were so 
>> many
>> (about 128) addresses I wanted caught.

M> I don't know how you used the block option unless I do see the filter.
M> Anyway,  if you are talking about 128 or so addresses, my own approach
M> would  be  to  put  all  those addresses in an Address Book Group, say
M> '128ers', and the in the filter condition use:

M> Address groups 128ers contains Sender

Thank you Miguel. I'm going to try your suggestion.

However, if this .png makes it through (it's only 4KB), it'll show how the
filter is built. Notice the up/down arrows to the right of the box displaying
"email address 5". clicking those arrows will move you up or down through all
the 127 *actual* addresses entered in the "block".

It seems so simple and as I mentioned, a "re-filter" action on the source folder
did find 39 of the emails contained in the block of addresses. But only on the
first re-filter. Subsequent re-filterings MOVED no more addresses. Even
changing the condition ie: SENDER, TEXT, HEADER, MESSAGE SOURCE, or HEADER FIELD
had no effect. It never did find any more of the multitude of addresses
contained in the block.

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Re: Filter help

[MAU]

Hello Jack,

> I have a folder which contains multiple unique emails from a particular group 
> of
> people. They were originally moved there manually. I wanted to create a filter
> for the source folder to look for the characters in their email addresses 
> which
> appear before the @ sign, then move those emails to the aforementioned
> destination folder. When I re-filtered the source folder, only about 39 of the
> emails actually got moved. Many more which met the criteria specified in the
> filter were never moved. I double and tripled checked for typing errors and
> there were none.

It  would  be  much  better that instead of trying to explain what your
filter  does,  or  you  think it does, that you copied your filter and
pasted it here in the list so that we could really look at the filter,
and maybe even test it.

> I used the block option in the creation of the filter because there were so 
> many
> (about 128) addresses I wanted caught.

I don't know how you used the block option unless I do see the filter.
Anyway,  if you are talking about 128 or so addresses, my own approach
would  be  to  put  all  those addresses in an Address Book Group, say
'128ers', and the in the filter condition use:

Address groups 128ers contains Sender

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Filter help

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello TBUDL'ers,

I have a folder which contains multiple unique emails from a particular group of
people. They were originally moved there manually. I wanted to create a filter
for the source folder to look for the characters in their email addresses which
appear before the @ sign, then move those emails to the aforementioned
destination folder. When I re-filtered the source folder, only about 39 of the
emails actually got moved. Many more which met the criteria specified in the
filter were never moved. I double and tripled checked for typing errors and
there were none.

I can't pinpoint the 39 that were moved because the destination folder had over
a hundred already-read emails and the emails that didn't get moved from the
source folder were also already-read.

I used the block option in the creation of the filter because there were so many
(about 128) addresses I wanted caught. In the re-filter options of the source
folder I chose incoming mail, read mail and replied messages all at once.

Anyone have any idea why the filter caught 39 of them and not any of the others?

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Re: Help w/ upgrading

[Andre Wichartz]

On Saturday, September 16, 2017 11:05:55 PM Richie G wrote:

> Many years ago I used TB! (2.12*) and loved it, then [stuff happened]
> and I find myself now needing TB! more than ever.


When I upgraded from v2 to v6 I just installed v6 over the v2 install.
That  worked  mostly  fine,  except that I lost all my filters. I think v3
introduced a new filtering system so you should probably upgrade to v3
first  and  from  that  to  v7.  I  don't  remember  any problems with
templates.

-- 
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Help w/ upgrading

[Richie G]

Hello Bat Folk,

Many years ago I used TB! (2.12*) and loved it, then [stuff happened]
and I find myself now needing TB! more than ever.

I have the latest ver now installed (7.4.16 - trial mode)
I also have my full old install and a full backup of it.
Let's call this account:
 o...@reallyold.net

I'd like my new install operate just the way I had 2.12 operating.

A major part of what I'm looking for are all the rules (templates?)
that used to auto-populate things like the REPLY-FROM field to always
automatically populate with the email address that the original email
was sent to me at, signatures based on from FROM addresses, etc.
I cannot even remember all the customizations I grew to need!

So, How do I restore from the old backup
http://mudshark.com/Image1.jpg

so that my old 2.12 machinations and environment transpose to the new
account, let's call it:
 new-acco...@newserver.com

Thanks, all

* Yes, I still have the installer for version:
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Re: Help with S P A M

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Sam,

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 you wrote:

SB> Saturday, February 20, 2016, 2:35:54 PM, Jack wrote:

JSL>> Hello TBUDL'ers,

JSL>> Well apparently I've finally downloaded and installed the correct 
AntispamSniper
JSL>> thanks to everybody who helped with this. I now have an ASS toolbar where 
there
JSL>> wasn't one before.

SB> That's a good sign.

JSL>> I'm not quite sure how this is supposed to work however. I used
JSL>> Dispatch-mail-on-server to get the server to download one of the offending
JSL>> emails and when it arrived I selected it and clicked on MARK AS JUNK in 
the ASS
JSL>> toolbar. The email disappeared but DID NOT go into my JUNK folder as I 
thought it
JSL>> would.

SB> When I mark junk it goes to a folder called "Junk mail". I'm not sure how
SB> that gets created or how the routing goes.

JSL>> Thinking that marking the email as junk would set a flag for ASS, I 
downloaded
JSL>> another from the same sender and it simply appeared in my inbox as 
normal. I
JSL>> expected ASS to catch the email and automatically move it to the JUNK 
folder
JSL>> before it ever got to the inbox

JSL>> I'm obviously missing something about how ASS is supposed to work.

SB> You have to train the filters. I don't think there's an exact figure, but
SB> it might be a hundred messages or so before you start seeing somewhat
SB> consistent filtering. Just continue marking spam and check the junk folder 
and mark false positives as not junk.

Thanks Sam. Actually the clothing store email advertisements stopped coming,
perhaps because I clicked on "un-subscribe" so many times. Nothing else has come
in that I would call spam and nothing has appeared in my junk folder either. So
for the moment, I don't have a spam problem anymore. But at least now AntiSpam
Sniper is installed and presumably working.

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Jack

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Re: Help with S P A M

[Sam Brown]

Saturday, February 20, 2016, 2:35:54 PM, Jack wrote:

JSL> Hello TBUDL'ers,

JSL> Well apparently I've finally downloaded and installed the correct 
AntispamSniper
JSL> thanks to everybody who helped with this. I now have an ASS toolbar where 
there
JSL> wasn't one before.

That's a good sign.

JSL> I'm not quite sure how this is supposed to work however. I used
JSL> Dispatch-mail-on-server to get the server to download one of the offending
JSL> emails and when it arrived I selected it and clicked on MARK AS JUNK in 
the ASS
JSL> toolbar. The email disappeared but DID NOT go into my JUNK folder as I 
thought it
JSL> would.

When I mark junk it goes to a folder called "Junk mail". I'm not sure how that 
gets created or how the routing goes.

JSL> Thinking that marking the email as junk would set a flag for ASS, I 
downloaded
JSL> another from the same sender and it simply appeared in my inbox as normal. 
I
JSL> expected ASS to catch the email and automatically move it to the JUNK 
folder
JSL> before it ever got to the inbox

JSL> I'm obviously missing something about how ASS is supposed to work.

You have to train the filters. I don't think there's an exact figure, but it 
might be a hundred messages or so before you start seeing somewhat consistent 
filtering. Just continue marking spam and check the junk folder and mark false 
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Help with S P A M

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello TBUDL'ers,

Well apparently I've finally downloaded and installed the correct AntispamSniper
thanks to everybody who helped with this. I now have an ASS toolbar where there
wasn't one before.

I'm not quite sure how this is supposed to work however. I used
Dispatch-mail-on-server to get the server to download one of the offending
emails and when it arrived I selected it and clicked on MARK AS JUNK in the ASS
toolbar. The email disappeared but DID NOT go into my JUNK folder as I thought 
it
would.

Thinking that marking the email as junk would set a flag for ASS, I downloaded
another from the same sender and it simply appeared in my inbox as normal. I
expected ASS to catch the email and automatically move it to the JUNK folder
before it ever got to the inbox

I'm obviously missing something about how ASS is supposed to work.


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Re: Help with S P A M

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Paul,

On Friday, February 19, 2016 you wrote:

PVN> 2/19/2016  9:40 AM

PVN> Hi Jack,

PVN> On 2/18/2016 Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

JSL>> Hello Sam,

JSL>> On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 you wrote:

SB>>> Sorry, I should have been more specific, are you using the 32-bit or 
64-bit
SB>>> version of TB? It shows in the About dialog, looks like: Version 6.8.2 
(64-bit)

JSL>> Hmmm, interesting question for which I do not have an interesting answer.
JSL>> HELP/ABOUT merely shows the version number (6.0.12) and the .msi file 
gives no
JSL>> indication.

JSL>> I recall recently (within the past year) upgrading to this version and I 
surely
JSL>> would have chosen the 64 bit as this is a 64 bit machine.

JSL>> Any other way to tell?

PVN> You can tell which version by looking at the name of the executable. The
PVN> 32 bit versions are thebat.exe or thebat32.exe. The 64 bit version is
PVN> named thebat64.exe.

First, let me thank all who responded to this little problem. Paul you are
correct, I AM running the 32 bit version as the target file of my shortcut is
simply thebat.exe.

So, I think I'll try downloading the 32 bit version of Antispamsniper and see
where that gets me.

Again, my thanks to all.

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Re[2]: Help with S P A M

[Paul Van Noord]

2/19/2016  11:57 AM

Hi Anton,

On 2/19/2016 Anton Belenki wrote:

AB> JSL>> Hmmm, interesting question for which I do not have an interesting 
answer.
AB> JSL>> HELP/ABOUT merely shows the version number (6.0.12) and the .msi file 
gives no
AB> JSL>> indication.

AB> there is no x64 version of 6.0.12. 64-bit versions started from
AB> version 6.8.8:

AB> https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/archive_version.php

AB> --
AB> E-mail: lowtru...@lowtrucks.net
AB> Web site: http://lowtrucks.net/


AB> 
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Agreed! Better to have the knowledge of how to tell
- --
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Re: Help with S P A M

[Anton Belenki]

JSL>> Hmmm, interesting question for which I do not have an interesting answer.
JSL>> HELP/ABOUT merely shows the version number (6.0.12) and the .msi file 
gives no
JSL>> indication.

there is no x64 version of 6.0.12. 64-bit versions started from
version 6.8.8:

https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/archive_version.php

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Re[2]: Help with S P A M

[Paul Van Noord]

2/19/2016  9:40 AM

Hi Jack,

On 2/18/2016 Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

JSL> Hello Sam,

JSL> On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 you wrote:

SB>> Sorry, I should have been more specific, are you using the 32-bit or 64-bit
SB>> version of TB? It shows in the About dialog, looks like: Version 6.8.2 
(64-bit)

JSL> Hmmm, interesting question for which I do not have an interesting answer.
JSL> HELP/ABOUT merely shows the version number (6.0.12) and the .msi file 
gives no
JSL> indication.

JSL> I recall recently (within the past year) upgrading to this version and I 
surely
JSL> would have chosen the 64 bit as this is a 64 bit machine.

JSL> Any other way to tell?

You can tell which version by looking at the name of the executable. The
32 bit versions are thebat.exe or thebat32.exe. The 64 bit version is
named thebat64.exe.

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Re: Help with S P A M

[Sam Brown]

Thursday, February 18, 2016, 10:38:16 AM, Jack wrote:

JSL> On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 you wrote:

FW>>>>>> Did you download the right version for your OS? There is a 32- and a 
64-bit
FW>>>>>> version and your error description is the one I had when using the 
wrong version.

JSL>>>>> Well,START/CONTROL PANEL/SYSTEM shows I'm running Windows 7 on a 64 
bit machine
JSL>>>>> and I downloaded sniper-mui-3.3.2.5_x64.exe so, yeah I guess.

SB>>>> What version of The BAT! are you running, though?

JSL>>> Version 6.0.12. Would that make a difference?

SB>> Sorry, I should have been more specific, are you using the 32-bit or 64-bit
SB>> version of TB? It shows in the About dialog, looks like: Version 6.8.2 
(64-bit)

JSL> Hmmm, interesting question for which I do not have an interesting answer.
JSL> HELP/ABOUT merely shows the version number (6.0.12) and the .msi file 
gives no
JSL> indication.

JSL> I recall recently (within the past year) upgrading to this version and I 
surely
JSL> would have chosen the 64 bit as this is a 64 bit machine.

JSL> Any other way to tell?

I believe if it were the 64-bit version it would say. Also, the installation 
file would look something like this:

thebat_64_6-8-2.msi

So I expect that's the problem you're running into. Looking at the archive of 
available downloads, there isn't a 64-bit version of TB! till 6.8.8 (at least 
available for download). So, you could download that version, or you could 
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Re: Help with S P A M

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Sam,

On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 you wrote:

FW>>>>> Did you download the right version for your OS? There is a 32- and a 
64-bit
FW>>>>> version and your error description is the one I had when using the 
wrong version.

JSL>>>> Well,START/CONTROL PANEL/SYSTEM shows I'm running Windows 7 on a 64 bit 
machine
JSL>>>> and I downloaded sniper-mui-3.3.2.5_x64.exe so, yeah I guess.

SB>>> What version of The BAT! are you running, though?

JSL>> Version 6.0.12. Would that make a difference?

SB> Sorry, I should have been more specific, are you using the 32-bit or 64-bit
SB> version of TB? It shows in the About dialog, looks like: Version 6.8.2 
(64-bit)

Hmmm, interesting question for which I do not have an interesting answer.
HELP/ABOUT merely shows the version number (6.0.12) and the .msi file gives no
indication.

I recall recently (within the past year) upgrading to this version and I surely
would have chosen the 64 bit as this is a 64 bit machine.

Any other way to tell?


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Jack

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Re: Help with S P A M

[Sam Brown]

Wednesday, February 17, 2016, 9:59:37 AM, Jack wrote:

JSL> Hello Sam,

JSL> On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 you wrote:

SB>> Tuesday, February 16, 2016, 8:47:14 AM, Jack wrote:

FW Am 16. Februar 2016 00:32:47 MEZ, schrieb "Jack S. LaRosa" 
:
>Alas, I seem to have some sort of problem with the plug-in. When I try
>to
>install it, TB! reports "Could not initialize the plug-in. It either
>has some
>internal problems or it cannot be qualified as a plug-in."

FW Did you download the right version for your OS? There is a 32- and a 
64-bit
FW version and your error description is the one I had when using the wrong 
version.

JSL>>> Well,START/CONTROL PANEL/SYSTEM shows I'm running Windows 7 on a 64 bit 
machine
JSL>>> and I downloaded sniper-mui-3.3.2.5_x64.exe so, yeah I guess.

SB>> What version of The BAT! are you running, though?

JSL> Version 6.0.12. Would that make a difference?

Sorry, I should have been more specific, are you using the 32-bit or 64-bit 
version of TB? It shows in the About dialog, looks like: Version 6.8.2 (64-bit)



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Re: Help with S P A M

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Sam,

On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 you wrote:

SB> Tuesday, February 16, 2016, 8:47:14 AM, Jack wrote:

FW>>> Am 16. Februar 2016 00:32:47 MEZ, schrieb "Jack S. LaRosa" 
:
Alas, I seem to have some sort of problem with the plug-in. When I try
to
install it, TB! reports "Could not initialize the plug-in. It either
has some
internal problems or it cannot be qualified as a plug-in."

FW>>> Did you download the right version for your OS? There is a 32- and a 
64-bit
FW>>> version and your error description is the one I had when using the wrong 
version.

JSL>> Well,START/CONTROL PANEL/SYSTEM shows I'm running Windows 7 on a 64 bit 
machine
JSL>> and I downloaded sniper-mui-3.3.2.5_x64.exe so, yeah I guess.

SB> What version of The BAT! are you running, though?

Version 6.0.12. Would that make a difference?

-- 
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Jack

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Re: Help with S P A M

[Sam Brown]

Tuesday, February 16, 2016, 8:47:14 AM, Jack wrote:

FW>> Am 16. Februar 2016 00:32:47 MEZ, schrieb "Jack S. LaRosa" 
:
>>>Alas, I seem to have some sort of problem with the plug-in. When I try
>>>to
>>>install it, TB! reports "Could not initialize the plug-in. It either
>>>has some
>>>internal problems or it cannot be qualified as a plug-in."

FW>> Did you download the right version for your OS? There is a 32- and a 64-bit
FW>> version and your error description is the one I had when using the wrong 
version.

JSL> Well,START/CONTROL PANEL/SYSTEM shows I'm running Windows 7 on a 64 bit 
machine
JSL> and I downloaded sniper-mui-3.3.2.5_x64.exe so, yeah I guess.

What version of The BAT! are you running, though?




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Re: Help with S P A M

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Feli,

On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 you wrote:



FW> Hello Jack, 

FW> Am 16. Februar 2016 00:32:47 MEZ, schrieb "Jack S. LaRosa" 
:
>>Alas, I seem to have some sort of problem with the plug-in. When I try
>>to
>>install it, TB! reports "Could not initialize the plug-in. It either
>>has some
>>internal problems or it cannot be qualified as a plug-in."

FW> Did you download the right version for your OS? There is a 32- and a 64-bit
FW> version and your error description is the one I had when using the wrong 
version.

Well,START/CONTROL PANEL/SYSTEM shows I'm running Windows 7 on a 64 bit machine
and I downloaded sniper-mui-3.3.2.5_x64.exe so, yeah I guess.

-- 
Regards,
Jack

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Re: Help with S P A M

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Peter,

On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 you wrote:

PM> Hi Jack,

PM> on  Mon, 15 Feb 2016 17:32:47 -0600GMT (16.02.2016, 00:32 +0100GMT here),
PM> you wrote:

JSL>> If it comes to it I'll just reinstall K9 as I seldom receive large emails.

PM> For large emails you can set a limit in account properties -> Mail
PM> Management by checking "Receive headers only if message size is
PM> greater than XX kB".

Thank you Peter, I'll try that if I have to reinstall it.

-- 
Regards,
Jack

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Re: Help with S P A M

[Feli Wilcke]

Hello Jack, 

Am 16. Februar 2016 00:32:47 MEZ, schrieb "Jack S. LaRosa" 
:
>Alas, I seem to have some sort of problem with the plug-in. When I try
>to
>install it, TB! reports "Could not initialize the plug-in. It either
>has some
>internal problems or it cannot be qualified as a plug-in."

Did you download the right version for your OS? There is a 32- and a 64-bit 
version and your error description is the one I had when using the wrong 
version. 

Regards, 
Feli 



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Re: Help with S P A M

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Jack,

on  Mon, 15 Feb 2016 17:32:47 -0600GMT (16.02.2016, 00:32 +0100GMT here),
you wrote:

JSL> If it comes to it I'll just reinstall K9 as I seldom receive large emails.

For large emails you can set a limit in account properties -> Mail
Management by checking "Receive headers only if message size is
greater than XX kB".

-- 
Cheers
Peter

Aibohphobia - Fear of palindromes



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Re: Help with S P A M

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Feli,

On Sunday, February 14, 2016 you wrote:

FW> Hello Jack, 

FW> have a look at http://www.antispamsniper.com/thebat_plugin.htm
FW> works on my desktop computer pretty well.
FW>

Alas, I seem to have some sort of problem with the plug-in. When I try to
install it, TB! reports "Could not initialize the plug-in. It either has some
internal problems or it cannot be qualified as a plug-in."

If it comes to it I'll just reinstall K9 as I seldom receive large emails.

-- 
Regards,
Jack

Using TB! ver6.0.12 with Windows 7






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Re: Help with S P A M

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Feli,

On Sunday, February 14, 2016 you wrote:

FW> Hello Jack, 

FW> have a look at http://www.antispamsniper.com/thebat_plugin.htm
FW> works on my desktop computer pretty well.

Thank you Feli. I will take a look at that.

-- 
Regards,
Jack

Using TB! ver6.0.12 with Windows 7






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Re: Help with S P A M

[Paul Berger]

Hello TBUDL@thebat.,

Monday, February 15, 2016, 9:23:28 AM, you wrote:

JSL> Hello TBUDL'ers,

JSL> I've been pretty much free of spam for a couple of years now but just 
lately
JSL> I've started getting it from clothing stores. No idea why as I don't buy 
clothes
JSL> online. I used to use K9 but eventually discovered that K9 was preventing 
me
JSL> from receiving large messages. I probably could have tweaked K9 to allow 
large
JSL> messages but I really didn't need it anymore so I ditched it.

JSL> So, can I get some recommendations on what plays nice with TB and is an
JSL> effective spam blocker?



Cannot help directly but I use https://mailnull.com/ to create
disposable addresses.

Avast does a good job but it is commercial and sets your payment
details to automatically renew. Also slows down everything.


-- 



Paul

-
 Using The Bat! v7.1.6.0 (Christmas Edition) on Windows 7
6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1  

...You can't have everything...where would you put it? 



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Re: Help with S P A M

[Feli Wilcke]

Hello Jack, 

have a look at http://www.antispamsniper.com/thebat_plugin.htm
works on my desktop computer pretty well. 

Regards, 
Feli 

Am 14. Februar 2016 23:23:28 MEZ, schrieb "Jack S. LaRosa" 
:
>Hello TBUDL'ers,
>
>I've been pretty much free of spam for a couple of years now but just
>lately
>I've started getting it from clothing stores. No idea why as I don't
>buy clothes
>online. I used to use K9 but eventually discovered that K9 was
>preventing me
>from receiving large messages. I probably could have tweaked K9 to
>allow large
>messages but I really didn't need it anymore so I ditched it.
>
>So, can I get some recommendations on what plays nice with TB and is an
>effective spam blocker?
>
>-- 
>TIA,
>Jack LaRosa
>
>:usflag: :alabamaflag: Central Alabama
>
>Using TB! 6.0.12
>OS: Safely back to Windows 7, Service Pack 1
>
>
>
>Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
>http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

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Help with S P A M

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello TBUDL'ers,

I've been pretty much free of spam for a couple of years now but just lately
I've started getting it from clothing stores. No idea why as I don't buy clothes
online. I used to use K9 but eventually discovered that K9 was preventing me
from receiving large messages. I probably could have tweaked K9 to allow large
messages but I really didn't need it anymore so I ditched it.

So, can I get some recommendations on what plays nice with TB and is an
effective spam blocker?

-- 
TIA,
Jack LaRosa

:usflag: :alabamaflag: Central Alabama

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REGEX Help

[Rick Grunwald]

> I think I need a regex to pull out the address correctly.
I didn't want to hijack David's thread (actually I did) but I could use some 
help with regex

I need something to clean up my subject line removing some specific items. Some 
people have posted some ones that cleanup RE:  but I need a bit more than that

I am not rich but I could pay a fee for that


-- 
Rick

Windows, , 6,, 3
Version 7.1.12 (Christmas Edition) (64-bit)




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Re: Feature laundry list from administration - help!

[MFPA]

Hi


On Thursday 26 February 2015 at 6:21:53 PM, in
mid:1403208895.20150226192...@otten.tv, Roelof Otten wrote:


 Put it above the quote in in the template and skip the
 signature delimiter in your signature

My suggestion would be to include the signature delimiter right at the
end, so that any crud added in transit follows it. (For example, some
email systems add adverts or messages about what anti-virus scanning.)


-- 
Best regards

MFPAmailto:2014-667rhzu3dc-lists-gro...@riseup.net

ETHERNET(n): device used to catch the Ether bunny

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Re: Feature laundry list from administration - help!

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo TBUDL, 

Op woensdag 25 februari 2015, 22:04:58, schreef Diana Calder:

 - Presentation of email to be received or sent without bracket lead

Use %Text instead of %Quotes

 - Footnote contact information remains with the body of the email.
 (presently the footnote is at the bottom of the page under the email trail)

Put it above the quote in in the template and skip the signature
delimiter in your signature

 - Able to link directly to websites or online forms

That should be possible

 - Able to accept meeting invitations (outlook)
 - Able to link directly to a calendar function
 - Sharable calendar for admin staff

Can't be done, TB isn't integrated with a PIM like Outlook

 - Able to save email in word document file

Can't be done, however TB supports plain text and so does Word

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof



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Re: Feature laundry list from administration - help!

[MFPA]

Hi


On Wednesday 25 February 2015 at 9:04:58 PM, in
mid:1873503538.20150225160...@essexcountylibrary.ca, Diana Calder
wrote:


 Hello Tbudl,

 We have new administration. They are used to Outlook
 and quite dissatisfied with The Bat!. 

I was going to direct you to Macro and QT repository at 
http://cgi.silverstones.com/library.php? but there seems to be an 
error loading that page just at the moment. Maybe Marck still lurks 
here and will take a look? There is a macro there to Emulate Outlook 
Reply look  feel. I have not tried it, as I don't like Outlook's 
way.



 - Able to save email in word document file

One of the easiest ways from Outlook to do this is to copy and paste
from the message viewer into a word document. Presumably this works
from TB! as well.



 In addition to the main laundry list, I've been asked
 for a way to prevent The Bat! from automatically
 filling in addresses/groups from the history of typed
 addresses (should use address book only, so no one
 types addre...@example.com and ends up with
 addre...@example.com, addre...@example.com,
 addre...@example.com automatically filled in simply
 because the previous message that they sent had all of
 those addresses in the TO field).

I may just be lucky, but TB! doesn't do this for me. Or it might be my 
settings at Options | Preferences | Address History.

  Collect addresses from: 
Outgoing mail ticked, 
Incoming mail not ticked.

  Track history of these accounts only
only ticked one account, that I rarely use

  Do-not-Track list
*@

  Folders to scan
one of my Outboxes

  Limit History by
1 days

  Purge exceeding entries from history on exit
Ticked





-- 
Best regards

MFPAmailto:2014-667rhzu3dc-lists-gro...@riseup.net

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Feature laundry list from administration - help!

[Diana Calder]

Hello Tbudl,

We have new administration. They are used to Outlook and quite dissatisfied 
with The Bat!. I have a laundry list of items that they wish to have changed in 
order to keep using The Bat!; otherwise, they want to look into other options 
(i.e. Outlook). Some things, I can figure out - they want all email replies to 
default to top-posting, for example, and they want the library logo included in 
the footer as well as social networking links and a privacy statement. Those, I 
have figured out. Other things, however, I haven't figured out. Also, I'm 
hoping that there's an easy way to duplicate profiles/template settings between 
accounts and computers as I don't want to have to manually make all of these 
changes on each individual computer. Hopefully, I can get some assistance with 
these items from the list, as I really, really do not want to have to move to 
Outlook.

Outstanding items quoted directly from the laundry list:

- Presentation of email to be received or sent without bracket lead

- Footnote contact information remains with the body of the email. (presently 
the footnote is at the bottom of the page under the email trail) 

- Able to link directly to websites or online forms

- Able to accept meeting invitations (outlook)

- Able to link directly to a calendar function

- Sharable calendar for admin staff

- Able to save email in word document file


I can easily change what is added before the angle brackets when quoting but I 
haven't been able to figure out how to get rid of the angle brackets entirely.

I can move the quotation section below the footer in the reply template but 
that makes it part of the footer and changes its formatting accordingly. Does 
someone have a trick to override that?

In addition to the main laundry list, I've been asked for a way to prevent The 
Bat! from automatically filling in addresses/groups from the history of typed 
addresses (should use address book only, so no one types addre...@example.com 
and ends up with addre...@example.com, addre...@example.com, 
addre...@example.com automatically filled in simply because the previous 
message that they sent had all of those addresses in the TO field).

Note: Please don't tell me that some of these are non-standard ways to 
configure email or that they are not the preferred practice. I know this but 
have been told that these are acceptable business practice. I've been given the 
task of fulfilling the laundry list with The Bat! or moving to an email program 
that *will* fulfill the list. If someone happens to have excellent references 
to evidence that an item is NOT an acceptable practice, I'd love to have said 
references. 

We're currently on 6.0.12 - upgrading is an option ONLY if I can fulfill most 
if not all of the laundry list. Obviously, The Bat! does not have a sharable 
calendar included in it but I'd be grateful for suggestions of ones that work 
well in conjunction with The Bat!, either hosted or self-hosted.


-- 
Best regards,
Diana Calder mailto:dcal...@essexcountylibrary.ca
Automation Technician(519) 776-5241 x.131
Essex County Library   
Essex, ON

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Re: unable to open help file from within The Bat

[MFPA]

Hi


On Wednesday 1 October 2014 at 6:26:04 AM, in
mid:365879798.20141001002...@gmail.com, Achdut18 wrote:



 Yes, the_bat.chm is located in Program Files (x86)\The
 Bat!, the same folder in which TheBat.exe is located.

 Any ideas as to what the problem is?  

Unfortunately I have no idea.

Maybe closing down The Bat!, renaming the_bat.chm and going to
Add/Remove programs, selecting The Bat!, then change, then repair
might sort it. But maybe not. And if it isn't bothering you, do you
want to bother?




-- 
Best regards

MFPAmailto:2014-667rhzu3dc-lists-gro...@riseup.net

Alcohol and Calculus don't mix. Never drink and derive.

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Re: unable to open help file from within The Bat

[MFPA]

Hi


On Monday 22 September 2014 at 10:44:17 PM, in
mid:172630305.20140922164...@gmail.com, Achdut18 wrote:


 I cannot open the Help Topics file from within The Bat!

Do you get an error message or does nothing happen?



 I CAN open the file by clicking on the file,
 The_bat.chm, in Windows Explorer. But, why am I not able 
 to do so anymore from within the The Bat? 

Is The_bat.chm still in the right place? (For my TB! version, that's 
the same foder as me thebat.exe, in %programfiles%\The Bat!.)




-- 
Best regards

MFPAmailto:2014-667rhzu3dc-lists-gro...@riseup.net

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unable to open help file from within The Bat

[Achdut18]

I cannot open the Help Topics file from within The Bat!I CAN open the file 
by clicking on the file,  The_bat.chm, in Windows Explorer.  But, why am I not 
able to do so anymore from within the The Bat?(I used to be able to do it, 
but probably haven't tried for quite some time.)

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks
using The Bat Pro ver. 6.0.0.28 on Win 7 Pro

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Regex help

[Stuart]

Hello TBUDL,

  I am looking for help with regex. I need to export the text from an e-mail to 
a text file. When I receive the email it looks like this.

asd, sdf, dfg, asd

Unfortunately when I export this is ends up like this.

asd,  sdf,   dfg,  asd

This seems to be the way the program sending the file represents it.

Is there a way using the macro %REGEXPTEXT= to fix this?

TIA

-- 
Best regards,
 Stuart  mailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm



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Re: Regex help

[jb_lists_tb]

Hello Stuart,

On Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 2:50:22 PM, Stuart wrote:

 I am looking for help with regex. I need to export the text from an
 e-mail to a text file. When I receive the email it looks like this.

 asd, sdf, dfg, asd

 Unfortunately when I export this is ends up like this.

 asd,  sdf,   dfg,  asd

 This seems to be the way the program sending the file represents it.

What is in the whitespace between the groups of characters in the
original email? Tabs or spaces? It looks like tabs being expanded so
perhaps the export process is turning tabs into spaces?

How are you exporting the email? Save As?

-- 
   Julian  

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Re: Regex help

[Stuart]

Hello jb,

Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 10:25:49 AM, you wrote:

 What is in the whitespace between the groups of characters in the
 original email? Tabs or spaces? It looks like tabs being expanded so
 perhaps the export process is turning tabs into spaces?

The original e-mail shows up with spaces, but if you look at the message source 
it looks like this:  (except there are 11 spaces between each row.

asd, 

 sdf,  

 dfg,  

asd

 How are you exporting the email? Save As?

I am using a filter. It exports the text to a text file on the desktop. I was 
hoping that the regex could be used in the format message part.

-- 
Best regards,
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Need serious help with upgrade to B-Pro 6.2.2

[Robert D.]

I had version 5.9  on one computer a 5.8 on the other. Bought (without
the
discount cuz I didn't see it available) 6.2

installed it on both Win7-64 bit computers.
Now all email accounts think they are POP3 when they are , or were,
IMAP4 .

I can not D/L emails from 1and1 nor GMX. The fail message is related to
TLS
refuses ... and/or another version of failure is Disconnected.
If I try to send an email, the message is not sent and the log show See
log for
details. That's funny an circular logic but does not help me guess
what's
wrong.

If I try to make repairs to any email account, TB-Pro shows the email
account as
POP3 no matter what I try. Thus, the new versions seemed to have
converted all
accounts to POP3.

So I was forced to delete all accounts and make new ones. At that point,
I
elected to not delete the files and folder. This as incorrect choice as
TBP
still made the new account POP3 and that was unchangeable as long as the
previous files and folders where there.

I had no choice but to delete them in order to be able to re-create
IMAP4. AND,
it seems then that all files containing the previous emails were
destroyed.

O how to I set up an imap4 for 1and1.

How do I set up a POP3 for GMX?

I have tried all variations of what each site publishes for Port
numbers. They
both claim SSL and there's no way I can see to make that choice in TBP.

if I am able once again to get and send email, what is the way to
re-introduce
any Restored Versions of past folders from all the email accounts?

I have been using TB for over ten ears. This us the one and only time an
upgrade
has brought my systems to a standstill. I will guess that the root of
the
problem is mine. But I can't for the life of me guess where I messed up
two
computers on one upgrade.

--
Regards,
Robert


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Help with TB Editor

[Cesar Santos]

Hello TheBat-L,


  I  am puzzled trying to find out which configuration I should change
  in order to use Reply Quoting Selected Text from the menu or after
  highlighting text and click on F4.

  Some messages seems to work and some don't. I suspect that html text
  is not working and I don't know the reason.

  I am running the latest TheBat Home Edition along Linux WINE.

  Thanks for your time.

-- 
Cheers

Cesar



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Mod: Top posting (was: Help with removing old email addresses)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Mike,

On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:19:43 -0700GMT (26-8-2011, 5:19:43, where I
live), you wrote:

MG Rick,

MG At first I didn't see any tabs at all, but I went into the View
MG menu, found Display Folder Tabs, and was able to remove them exactly as you 
suggested.

MG Thanks very much!!!


MG Mike

 Where do I go to select the addresses?  They appear as choices when I'm 
 typing in the
moderator
Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Mike.

  '

This posting violated the list rules regarding
top posting.

Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your
message and following it with all quoted text below, is not
encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list
because

a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the
   top of the message

and

b) It encourages excessive quoting.

We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to
which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to,
and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're
responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each
part separately and follow each part with your response.

Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that
you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much
respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active
members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being
asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership
here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group
when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and
understand.

To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of
private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you
subscribed.

Thank you.
/moderator

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof

A moderator for a *tagline* echo?  Talk about useless.

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Help with removing old email addresses

[Mike Greenbaum]

I haven't been here in a long time, but I'm having a problem with old email 
addresses which appear when I begin to address an email.

For example, if I start to write to John Smith, I may get the following choices 
in the To: line--

johnsm...@yahoomail.com
johnsm...@googlemail.com
johnsm...@someotheraddress.com

I know how to change an address if it's in my address book, but these are 
people to whom I've written in the past, and The Bat is giving me the choice of 
using them. But some of those addresses might be old ones which are no longer 
active, and I don't know how to delete them.

Consequently, I often choose the wrong address, and then the email gets bounced 
back to me.

Can anyone help with deleting addresses which are not in my address book but 
are suggested by The Bat from my history?

-- 
Mike

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Re: Help with removing old email addresses

[...listen2reason... - Musaic.Net]

 Can anyone help with deleting addresses which are not in my address book
 but are suggested by The Bat from my history?

  Use Arrows Up/Down to select the address, then Delete-button to delete.
  
-- 
  Regards
  ...listen2reason... - Musaic.Net mailto:listen2rea...@musaic.net



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Re: Help with removing old email addresses

[Mike Greenbaum]

Where do I go to select the addresses?  They appear as choices when I'm typing 
in the To: line. I can arrow up and down the choices, but the delete key 
doesn't do anything.

Sorry for being so dense.


 Can anyone help with deleting addresses which are not in my address book
 but are suggested by The Bat from my history?

   Use Arrows Up/Down to select the address, then Delete-button to delete.
   

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Re: Help with removing old email addresses

[. . . listen2reason . . . - Musaic . Net]

 Where do I go to select the addresses?  They appear as choices when I'm 
 typing in the
 To: line. I can arrow up and down the choices, but the delete key doesn't do 
 anything.

 Sorry for being so dense.

  No problem - if you don't get it to work, then it's cumbersome. :) But the 
procedure
  works here on my machine (using version 4.2.42). When I start typing, TheBat! 
suggests
  what's in history (the recent addresses). If there are entries I know I won't 
need I
  just arrow down to the ones I want to erase - and pressing the Delete-button 
executes
  my wish. To me it's as easy as that.

  So I am not sure how to suggest anything different or a more correct way to 
do it.
  
-- 
  Regards
  ...listen2reason... - Musaic.Net listen2rea...@musaic.net



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Re: Help with removing old email addresses

[Rick]

 Where do I go to select the addresses?  They appear as choices when I'm 
 typing in the
 To: line. I can arrow up and down the choices, but the delete key doesn't do 
 anything.

 Sorry for being so dense.

   No problem - if you don't get it to work, then it's cumbersome. :) But the 
 procedure
   works here on my machine (using version 4.2.42). When I start typing, 
 TheBat! suggests
   what's in history (the recent addresses). If there are entries I know I 
 won't need I
   just arrow down to the ones I want to erase - and pressing the 
 Delete-button executes
   my wish. To me it's as easy as that.

   So I am not sure how to suggest anything different or a more correct way 
 to do it.
   

That is not working in v5
What  you  CAN  do is go to the lower left and click the ADDRESSES tab
and purge out any you don't want
-- 
Rick
There is no snooze button for a cat that wants breakfast.
-Anonymous

v5.0.22.12 (ALPHA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build  2600
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Re: Help with removing old email addresses

[Mike Greenbaum]

Rick,

At first I didn't see any tabs at all, but I went into the View menu, found 
Display Folder Tabs, and was able to remove them exactly as you suggested.  

Thanks very much!!!


Mike

 Where do I go to select the addresses?  They appear as choices when I'm 
 typing in the
 To: line. I can arrow up and down the choices, but the delete key doesn't 
 do anything.

 Sorry for being so dense.

   No problem - if you don't get it to work, then it's cumbersome. :) But the 
 procedure
   works here on my machine (using version 4.2.42). When I start typing, 
 TheBat! suggests
   what's in history (the recent addresses). If there are entries I know I 
 won't need I
   just arrow down to the ones I want to erase - and pressing the 
 Delete-button executes
   my wish. To me it's as easy as that.

   So I am not sure how to suggest anything different or a more correct way 
 to do it.
   

 That is not working in v5
 What  you  CAN  do is go to the lower left and click the ADDRESSES tab
 and purge out any you don't want
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Re: POPFile help please

[Costas Papadopoulos]

I wrote:

 Considering  the  available  options,  I  uninstalled  and  reinstalled
 POPFile, hoping that this may finally solve the problem.

Update: The reinstallation has helped solved the problem.

-- 
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Re: POPFile help please

[Costas Papadopoulos]

Hello Roelof,

Saturday, September 25, 2010, 8:32:37 PM, you wrote (possibly edited):
 Can't help you any further than by saying that it's a popfile setting,
 not something you do in Windows or TB.

The  subject  header  modification  was the setting that I had set, but it 
wasn't
working.

Replying to Raymund, I don't see a serious problem about having this 
modification
to the subject of emails, in my particular circumstances.

Considering  the  available  options,  I  uninstalled  and  reinstalled
POPFile, hoping that this may finally solve the problem.

-- 
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POPFile help please

[Costas Papadopoulos]

After changing to Windows 7 from XP and installing POPFile which I use
to  identify  spam, somehow I cannot find a way to prepend the subject
of spam messages with the word [spam], which was the case with Windows
XP.

Does  anybody  know how to do that? Is it a problem with Windows 7 and
The Bat, or do I just don't know/don't remember how to do it?

Thanks for any assistance.

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Re: POPFile help please

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Costas,

On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:01:31 +0300GMT (25-9-2010, 16:01 , where I
live), you wrote:

CP Does  anybody  know how to do that? Is it a problem with Windows 7 and
CP The Bat, or do I just don't know/don't remember how to do it?

Can't help you any further than by saying that it's a popfile setting,
not something you do in Windows or TB.

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof

Never lean forward to push an invisible object.
http://www.voormijalleen.nl/
The Bat! 5.0.0.78 ALPHA
Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2
6 pop3 accounts, 1 imap account
OTFE enabled
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Re: POPFile help please

[Robin Anson]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 at 17:01:31 +0300,Costas wrote:
 After changing to Windows 7 from XP and installing POPFile which I use
 to  identify  spam, somehow I cannot find a way to prepend the subject
 of spam messages with the word [spam], which was the case with Windows
 XP.

 Does  anybody  know how to do that? Is it a problem with Windows 7 and
 The Bat, or do I just don't know/don't remember how to do it?

Open the Popfile control center, go to the Buckets tab and in the
buckets configuration for your Spam bucket, tick Subject Header
Modification

-- 
Robin

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  Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 
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Re: Missing folders - ctrl+shift+alt+L does not help

[Petr Laznovsky]

Yes


Is the focus on the account tree pane when you try Ctrl Alt Shift L?




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Re: Missing folders - ctrl+shift+alt+L does not help

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Petr,

On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:56:02 +0200GMT (1-9-2010, 12:56 , where I
live), you wrote:

PL ctrl+shift+alt+L solution does not help (Number of finded losts
PL folders are: 0)

PL Any ideas??

Is the focus on the account tree pane when you try Ctrl Alt Shift L?

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Missing folders - ctrl+shift+alt+L does not help

[Petr Laznovsky]

The folder tree on HDD under %APPDATA%\The Bat! is OK, but there are
few missed folders in TB folder list. There are also unnamed folder,
which receive new mails, which normally should be filtered into missed
folders.

ctrl+shift+alt+L solution does not help (Number of finded losts
folders are: 0)

Any ideas??

Win7, TB 4.0.38, Standard instalation

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Re: Address book help

[Stephane Bouvard]

Hi Jack,

Two points...

1. Creating an image of your running system is a good solution, but never 
forget : it allow you to restore the whole working system, but on the same or 
similar computer...  when you need to move to a new system (another hardware / 
another OS), you should reinstall from scratch your apps and reconfigure from 
scratch, only restoring datas  there's of course a lot of solutions 
allowing you to (partly) restore settings, but you would have a much better 
system if you do not try to adapt your old settings on the new system, but 
directly adapt your datas for the new settings of the new system.

2. You may migrate a fat partition to NTFS without the need to reformat and 
thus without loosing the datas on it...  have a look at convert.exe 
commandline utility  what you need to know before : if you convert your USB 
HDD to NTFS it could not be used anymore on something else than Windows...  it 
means you cannot use it anymore to connect to a PS3, DVD Player, TV, Photo 
Frame, audio car system,...  and it could be much more difficult to revert to 
FAT than converting to NTFS, as windows itself does not allow natively to FAT32 
format a partition bigger than 32GB...



Le mardi 20 juillet 2010 à 14:37:47, vous écriviez :

 In light of your obviously superior knowledge of Windows, I'd like to ask 
 what you think of it's ability to create an image of whatever computer it's 
 running on. I discovered this ability of the 64 bit OS when I was setting up 
 the backup routine on the new machine.  I'm pretty sure this ability didn't 
 exist in the 32 bit version.  Unfortunately, the USB HDD I'm using for backup 
 is currently formatted as FAT32 and must be formatted to NTSF in order for 
 the image to be created.  As soon as I am comfortable that I have a good 
 Carbonite backup I'm going to re-format the USB HDD to NTSF and try to create 
 an image of this new machine.



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Re: Address book help

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Raymund,

On Wednesday, July 21, 2010 you wrote:

RT Hi Jack,

RT as I don't think this is of general interest to TBUDL, I send a personal 
message.

 didn't exist in the 32 bit version.  Unfortunately, the USB HDD I'm
 using for backup is currently formatted as FAT32 and must be formatted
 to NTSF in order for the image to be created.  As soon as I am
 comfortable that I have a good Carbonite backup I'm going to re-format
 the USB HDD to NTSF and try to create an image of this new machine.

RT You should be able to do that using the command line and call the program 
convert x: /FS:NTFS. No need to reformat (if you have enough free space left).

RT To make a backup first is a good idea though.

I appreciate the info Raymund.  As you can probably see Stephanie replied with 
similar information but as I stated to her, since the USB HDD isn't used for 
anything other than backups on the laptop, I wouldn't be losing anything.

I just re-read your post and now I'm confused.  What's the difference between 
convert x:/FS:NTFS and the format program?  It seems like the command line 
convert x is going to convert the entire x: drive just as the format 
program would.

-- 
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Re: Address book help

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Stephane,

On Wednesday, July 21, 2010 you wrote:

SB Hi Jack,

SB Two points...

SB 1. Creating an image of your running system is a good solution, but never 
forget : it allow you to restore the whole working system, but on the same or 
similar computer...  when you need to move to a new system (another hardware / 
another OS), you should reinstall from scratch your apps and reconfigure from 
scratch, only restoring datas  there's of course a lot of solutions 
allowing you to (partly) restore settings, but you would have a much better 
system if you do not try to adapt your old settings on the new system, but 
directly adapt your datas for the new settings of the new system.

Understood.

If I had had an image of the old laptop I could have simply replaced the blown 
HDD and restored the image.  However, since neither I nor my wife ever trusted 
the old laptop (erratic operation), we felt safer buying a brand new laptop.  
My problems (read confusion) came about because as I mentioned, the old laptop 
had been upgraded from native Win XP to Win 7.  My lack of knowledge of native 
Win 7 caused me considerable consternation in trying to figure out how I had 
managed to cause two PROGRAM FILES folders to appear on the C: drive.

If a similar HDD crash were to occur on this new laptop and I had an image of 
the HDD before the crash, I would simply replace the HDD and restore from the 
image. That would be my reasoning for creating an image of this new laptop. I 
would create images, perhaps weekly, and then continue doing regular daily 
routine (not image) backups.

SB 2. You may migrate a fat partition to NTFS without the need to reformat and 
thus without loosing the datas on it...  have a look at convert.exe 
commandline utility  what you need to know before : if you convert your USB 
HDD to NTFS it could not be used anymore on something else than Windows...  it 
means you cannot use it anymore to connect to a PS3, DVD Player, TV, Photo 
Frame, audio car system,...  and it could be much more difficult to revert to 
FAT than converting to NTFS, as windows itself does not allow natively to FAT32 
format a partition bigger than 32GB...

The Western Digital Passport USB drive we use for backups on the laptop isn't 
used for anything else so I wouldn't be losing any functionality by converting 
to NTFS. But that information is good to know.

Thanks again for your help. 

-- 
Jack LaRosa  mailto:jlar...@charter.net

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Re: Address book help

[Stephane Bouvard]

Hi Jack,

From your message, i could point some errors you've made...

Your old laptop and your new one does not use the same system (32 bits vs 64 
bits,...), and thus you cannot just restore any file/settings like that (and 
certainly not any executable)...

\PROGRAM FILES folder is for program running natively on the system (on your 
new system, 64 bits programs), when \PROGRAM FILES(x86) is for old 32 bits 
programs...

Now you've placed some files of a 32bits program (The Bat!) in the 64 bits 
folder, just the right way to have mistakes...


When you reinstall a new computer, you could of course restore your own data, 
but you should not restore settings as settings are partly dependent of the 
system.  Settings from your old computer may not be adapted to your new 
computer (it's the case here with the PF directory name).

For TheBat!, you have a backup/restore function to do what you want, much more 
easily and without the need to pay HP for the support :)

Easy : on the old computer, you do a backup, on the new computer, you install 
thebat, then you restore the backup.  done :)


Le mercredi 14 juillet 2010 à 23:59:46, vous écriviez :

 This next point perhaps should be addressed to TBOT but it may have some 
 bearing here.  The new laptop's HDD has two folders; one named PROGRAM FILES 
 and one named PROGRAM FILES(x86).  Each folder contains a TB! folder but the 
 TB.exe is in the PFx86 folder. All of the .abd files are in the PF folder.  I 
 copied her .abd file to the PF(x86) folder and selected it to be opened while 
 I was in in the address book window.  I wound up with two identical address 
 books, both of which MALfunction exactly the same.




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Re: Address book help

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Stephane,

Thank you so very much for replying.

On Tuesday, July 20, 2010 you wrote:

SB Hi Jack,

SB From your message, i could point some errors you've made...

SB Your old laptop and your new one does not use the same system (32 bits vs 
64 bits,...), and thus you cannot just restore any file/settings like that (and 
certainly not any executable)...

I did not know this.  We bought the new laptop knowing that it would come with 
Windows 7 installed but *NOT* realizing that it would be the 64 bit version.  
Even had we known about it being 64 bit I would have automatically assumed that 
it would function as the old 32 bit version did.

SB \PROGRAM FILES folder is for program running natively on the system (on 
your new system, 64 bits programs), when \PROGRAM FILES(x86) is for old 32 
bits programs...

When I was attempting to restore the old backup onto the new  machine, the 
Windows backup I had on my USB HDD didn't seem to work so I used the Carbonite 
off-site backup to do the restore.  Then when I had trouble getting TB! to work 
I looked at the folders on the C: drive and was surprised to find a PROGRAM 
FILES folder *AND* a PROGRAM FILES(x86) folder.  Since I had no knowledge of 
the structure of the 64 bit OS, I assumed I had somehow accidently created the 
PF(x86) by first trying to do the restore with the old Windows backup, 
abandoning that method and going with the Carbonite backup.

SB Now you've placed some files of a 32bits program (The Bat!) in the 64 bits 
folder, just the right way to have mistakes...

Perhaps, but at least TB! now seems to be working properly.  I have not yet 
done a TB! backup but I'm thinking that might be a good idea and once 
completed, flag the TB! backup as a file which should be included in the 
on-going Carbonite backup.  That way presumably I would have a TB! backup 
stored off-site.

SB When you reinstall a new computer, you could of course restore your own 
data, but you should not restore settings as settings are partly dependent of 
the system.  Settings from your old computer may not be adapted to your new 
computer (it's the case here with the PF directory name).

As I have painfully found out.

SB For TheBat!, you have a backup/restore function to do what you want, much 
more easily and without the need to pay HP for the support :)

Silly me.  I thought the Windows backup would be sufficient.  Thank goodness 
for the Carbonite backup.  In defence of the Windows backup however; I might 
have gotten it to work had I more time to fool with it but I was under 
tremendous pressure to get the new machine up and running as soon as possible.

SB Easy : on the old computer, you do a backup, on the new computer, you 
install thebat, then you restore the backup.  done :)

Words to remember.

In light of your obviously superior knowledge of Windows, I'd like to ask what 
you think of it's ability to create an image of whatever computer it's 
running on. I discovered this ability of the 64 bit OS when I was setting up 
the backup routine on the new machine.  I'm pretty sure this ability didn't 
exist in the 32 bit version.  Unfortunately, the USB HDD I'm using for backup 
is currently formatted as FAT32 and must be formatted to NTSF in order for the 
image to be created.  As soon as I am comfortable that I have a good 
Carbonite backup I'm going to re-format the USB HDD to NTSF and try to create 
an image of this new machine.

Again, thank you for taking the time to educate me in the intricacies  of this 
new (to me) OS.

-- 
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Re: Address book help

[Raymund Tump]

Hi Jack,

as I don't think this is of general interest to TBUDL, I send a personal 
message.

 didn't exist in the 32 bit version.  Unfortunately, the USB HDD I'm
 using for backup is currently formatted as FAT32 and must be formatted
 to NTSF in order for the image to be created.  As soon as I am
 comfortable that I have a good Carbonite backup I'm going to re-format
 the USB HDD to NTSF and try to create an image of this new machine.

You should be able to do that using the command line and call the program 
convert x: /FS:NTFS. No need to reformat (if you have enough free space left).

To make a backup first is a good idea though.
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Re: Address book help

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Hajdú,

On Friday, July 16, 2010 you wrote:

HZ Thursday, July 15, 2010, 11:34:44 PM, you wrote:

 to have them tell me that that's the way the OS is designed.  

HZ Actually, this a very good thing. Imagine how upset the virus/malware 
vendors were, when they found out that neither they can do this :)

HZ Cheers

HZ Z.

Hmmm. Well, I never thought about that but you're probably right.  Thanks for 
pointing that out.

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Re: Address book help

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello fellow Bats,

On Thursday, July 15, 2010 I wrote:

JSL Fellow list members,

JSL My wife's laptop just died and I have tried (almost successfully) to get 
the new laptop up and running the way the old one was.

Yada, yada, yada.

Fortunately I was able to solve this problem on my own and I only wasted $60 on 
HP tech support.

It finally dawned on me that I might try exporting my wife's existing faulty 
address book to a CSV file, clean up any oddball address problems (the 
aforementioned blank contact) and then import it into a brand new address book. 
 However, silly me, I wanted to save the new address book in the same folder 
the TB executable is in.  Why? Oh I don't know.  Maybe to keep all things BAT 
together?  OH! No, no, no.  Bill Gates won't let me do that with his new 64bit 
Windows 7 OS.  I kept getting an error message that said I couldn't do that and 
I had to contact the system administrator.  I AM the system administrator.  
Hence the $60 wasted on HP tech support only to have them tell me that that's 
the way the OS is designed.  Great, thanks a pantload.

Fortunately (I guess) Mr. Gates deigned to allow me to create a folder in the 
C:\PROGRAM FILES(x86) folder, where the TB executable is located, and I called 
it TB!-ADBs. Once that folder was created I then created a new address book and 
saved it in that folder.  I was then able to import from the cleaned-up CSV 
file into the new address book and everything seems to be working just peachy 
fine.

My apologies to the list for burdening everybody with a problem I was a bit too 
hasty in crying about.  One lives and one learns I guess.

Many thanks to all who spent any time on this.

-- 
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Re: Address book help

[Hajdú Zoltán]

Thursday, July 15, 2010, 11:34:44 PM, you wrote:

 to have them tell me that that's the way the OS is designed.  

Actually, this a very good thing. Imagine how upset the virus/malware vendors 
were, when they found out that neither they can do this :)

Cheers

Z.


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Address book help

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Fellow list members,

My wife's laptop just died and I have tried (almost successfully) to get the 
new laptop up and running the way the old one was.  I had been backing up the 
old laptop using Carbonite and also using the Windows 7 backup utility backing 
up to an external HDD thru a USB port.  Neither Carbonite nor the MS backup was 
saving everything but by performing a restore from the MS backup first and then 
from the Carbonite backup (which took a couple of days to complete), I was able 
to retrieve what I assumed to be most of the TB! files.  Since the .exe file 
was never backed up (apparently neither Carbonite nor the MS backup saves those 
types of files) I had to re-install TB! from a copy I retained the last time we 
upgraded (to 4.0.38).  After the install I added her name as an account and 
voila!, everything appeared to be back the way it was on the old laptop.  All 
of her folders and emails were there.

It was only later that I learned that new contacts added to the address book 
are not retained the next time TB! is started.  In addition, there's a 
mysterious blank contact at the top of the list which can be deleted (it takes 
several seconds to perform the delete) but will be there again the next time 
TB! is started.

I have searched both the HDD backup files and the Carbonite backup files to no 
avail.  I cannot find her original .abd file in either of those two locations 
so I am at a loss to even understand from where the file materialized in the 
first place and yet, there it is.

This next point perhaps should be addressed to TBOT but it may have some 
bearing here.  The new laptop's HDD has two folders; one named PROGRAM FILES 
and one named PROGRAM FILES(x86).  Each folder contains a TB! folder but the 
TB.exe is in the PFx86 folder. All of the .abd files are in the PF folder.  I 
copied her .abd file to the PF(x86) folder and selected it to be opened while I 
was in in the address book window.  I wound up with two identical address 
books, both of which MALfunction exactly the same.

I don't know if it makes any difference but the old laptop was running XP and 
was upgraded to Windows 7 while the new laptop came with Windows 7 already 
installed.  Does an OEM Windows 7 have two PF folders?

If there's someone out there who has been able to follow this convoluted 
description and might have some ideas, I'd appreciate all the help I can get.

-- 
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Jack LaRosa  mailto:jlar...@charter.net

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Re: Please help me understand the Pros and Cons of MicroEd (many, many wrapping issues)

[Dwight Corrin]

On Saturday, August 22, 2009, 12:32:20 PM, Bill McQuillan wrote:
 
 Now I have figured the reason is that RitLabs considers that the Windows
 Editor is to be normally used with proportional fonts and that the number
 of characters is not an appropriate measurement (although they seem to
 handle it fine during editing). If there was an option to specify the final
 width by inches, cm, picas, points,... and if I choose a fixed pitch font
 so I could get that 75 character line, I would be very pleased.
 
When one posts plain text messages, one doesn't specify a font at all. 
It's  all  up  to the recipient with what font they are rendering the 
mesage.
  
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Re: Please help me understand the Pros and Cons of MicroEd (many, many wrapping issues)

[AC]

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:46:58 +0200, Roelof Otten
ro...@otten.tv wrote:

A Question #2:
A What does Auto-Format do?  Please be detailed, I don't get it.

I don't know everything. ;-)
It  doesn't  like  new  lines,  when  hit enter and continue typing it
continues  on  the same line. To really start a new line you've got to
start  a new paragraph: hit enter twice so you've got an empty line in
between.
When  you start typing in the middle of some text it keeps on wrapping
everything correctly instead of what you experience with question 5.

Thanks for the response (thanks to everyone else also).  Now you've
hit on the issue that I really want to resolve.  Why can't the
developers add an extra option (checkbox) so that you don't have to
press enter twice to start a new line?  Why can't I start a new line
by pressing it once?  All it would be is a simple little option, and
it takes nothing away from the other features, it just adds to it.

When I asked for this as a support ticket, the answer I got was this:
Hello,

I am sorry to say, but this is not a bug, it's a feature of MicroEd.
Auto-Format works that way for years and we do not intend to change
that...


I don't quite understand why they would refuse to add an option for
this.  Like I said, it doesn't take anything away.  It just adds a
little feature to get rid of the nuisance of pressing enter twice.
Often times in an email, I have to make lists lik this:
item1
item2
item3

But I can't do it without either turning auto-format off or pressing
enter twice and then going back and deleting the extra lines.  I mean,
is it really a big deal to add that option?  i don't want to turn off
auto-format, because I want the wrapping to automatically adjust when
I go back to edit a paragraph.  It just doesn't seem reasonable to me
to take such a stubborn stance with something so simple and helpful.
It's not like I'm asking for a lot and i think it's a pretty practical
issue.  I don't feel it deserves a That's just the way it is and
we're not going to change it attitude.

My follow up response was this:
But couldn't there be an additional option added where we can have
all the features of auto-format and reflowing, but also be able to
press enter without it skipping back to the previous line?  It
wouldn't take anything away from anything else, it would only add a
feature.  please consider it.  All it would have to be is another
checkbox like, Allow single carriage return.


Would anyone here support me in adding this feature?  I need some
backup.  Again, remember, nothing would change, it will just be an
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Re: Please help me understand the Pros and Cons of MicroEd (many, many wrapping issues)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo AC,

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:23:04 -0700GMT (22-8-2009, 9:23 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

A Thanks for the response (thanks to everyone else also).  Now you've
A hit on the issue that I really want to resolve.  Why can't the
A developers add an extra option (checkbox) so that you don't have to
A press enter twice to start a new line?  Why can't I start a new line
A by pressing it once?  All it would be is a simple little option, and
A it takes nothing away from the other features, it just adds to it.

Basically, because we're using plain text in the message, no fancy
coding like Word or other text editors. And in plain text it isn't
possible to differentiate to a line break that's inserted manually or
one that's inserted automatically.

That's  why  one  line  break  is  ignored and why two line breaks are
processed.

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Re: Please help me understand the Pros and Cons of MicroEd (many, many wrapping issues)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello AC,

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:23:04 -0700 GMT (22/Aug/09, 14:23 PM +0700 GMT),
AC wrote:

A When I asked for this as a support ticket, the answer I got was this:
A Hello,

A I am sorry to say, but this is not a bug, it's a feature of MicroEd.
A Auto-Format works that way for years and we do not intend to change
A that...

A I don't quite understand why they would refuse to add an option for
A this.

They added the option many versions ago: You can use the Windows
editor. Many people were unhappy with the way MicroEd works, because
most editors under Windows (notably the ones from Microsoft) behave in
a certain way and people just wanted to stick with what they were used
to. The Windows editor complies with that.

I myself prefer MicroEd, the way it is, but that is my personal choice.

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Re: Please help me understand the Pros and Cons of MicroEd (many, many wrapping issues)

[MFPA]

Hi

On Saturday 22 August 2009 at 4:48:54 PM, in
mid:333266767.2009084...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de, Thomas Fernandez
wrote:


 I myself prefer MicroEd, the way it is, but that is my
 personal choice.


We all work slightly differently and have different preferences. I
like MicroEd with Auto-Format turned off so that a line ends when I
say it ends if that is sooner than I have chosen for default wrapping.
On the odd occasion that I edit a paragraph, it is no bother to
re-wrap it with ALT+L.


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Re: Please help me understand the Pros and Cons of MicroEd (many, many wrapping issues)

[Bill McQuillan]

On Sat, 2009-08-22, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
 They added the option many versions ago: You can use the Windows
 editor. Many people were unhappy with the way MicroEd works, because
 most editors under Windows (notably the ones from Microsoft) behave in
 a certain way and people just wanted to stick with what they were used
 to. The Windows editor complies with that.

 I myself prefer MicroEd, the way it is, but that is my personal choice.

I, on the other hand, much prefer the Windows editor.

However, it has a problem for me that could be cured with a simple
checkbox.

When I am composing, the editor wraps lines in a paragraph at my specified
margin (75 chars). Unfortunately, when the message is transmitted, the
paragraphs are sent *without* wrapping. Thus my correspondents see lines
that either wrap at *their* window edges or extend off the window to the
right and must be scrolled to be seen depending on their particular email
client.

I have gotten into the habit of 1) separating paragraphs with a blank line
and 2) just before sending the message I select Options  Message Format
 Plain Text (MicroEd) (which causes all paragraphs to become one long
line each). I then select each paragraph like that and hit Alt-L to
reformat it and *then* click the send button.

Now I have figured the reason is that RitLabs considers that the Windows
Editor is to be normally used with proportional fonts and that the number
of characters is not an appropriate measurement (although they seem to
handle it fine during editing). If there was an option to specify the final
width by inches, cm, picas, points,... and if I choose a fixed pitch font
so I could get that 75 character line, I would be very pleased.

BTW, as you can see by my sig, I am using TB v2.11 and it *is* possible
that some such feature has been incorporated into a more recent version. If
so, I might (might!) be tempted to upgrade.

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Re: Please help me understand the Pros and Cons of MicroEd (many, many wrapping issues)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Bill,

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:32:20 -0700 GMT (23/Aug/09, 0:32 AM +0700 GMT),
Bill McQuillan wrote:

 They added the option many versions ago: You can use the Windows
 editor. Many people were unhappy with the way MicroEd works, because
 most editors under Windows (notably the ones from Microsoft) behave in
 a certain way and people just wanted to stick with what they were used
 to. The Windows editor complies with that.

 I myself prefer MicroEd, the way it is, but that is my personal choice.

BM I, on the other hand, much prefer the Windows editor.

That's fine. TB! offers both editors so that the users have a choice.

BM However, it has a problem for me that could be cured with a simple
BM checkbox.

BM When I am composing, the editor wraps lines in a paragraph at my specified
BM margin (75 chars). Unfortunately, when the message is transmitted, the
BM paragraphs are sent *without* wrapping. Thus my correspondents see lines
BM that either wrap at *their* window edges or extend off the window to the
BM right and must be scrolled to be seen depending on their particular email
BM client.

Yes, that's the way the Windows editor works.

BM I have gotten into the habit of 1) separating paragraphs with a blank line
BM and 2) just before sending the message I select Options  Message Format
 Plain Text (MicroEd) (which causes all paragraphs to become one long
BM line each). I then select each paragraph like that and hit Alt-L to
BM reformat it and *then* click the send button.

Now I'm confused. Are you using MicroEd? If so, there is no need to
hit format first, just alt-click. It's necessary for me only if I
added some words into a paragraphm as I have auto-format off. Oh, you
can set auto-format on, then you don't need to hit alt-L, as you
prefer.

And yes, a new paragraph starts after 2 line feeds, that's normal
(IMHO). Also in Windows editors (for example in MS-Word) I hit enter
twice to mark a new paragraph. It doesn't look good otherwise. Maybe
there is even a grammar rule about it.

BM Now I have figured the reason is that RitLabs considers that the Windows
BM Editor is to be normally used with proportional fonts and that the number
BM of characters is not an appropriate measurement (although they seem to
BM handle it fine during editing). If there was an option to specify the final
BM width by inches, cm, picas, points,... and if I choose a fixed pitch font
BM so I could get that 75 character line, I would be very pleased.

I don't know about this.

BM BTW, as you can see by my sig, I am using TB v2.11 and it *is* possible
BM that some such feature has been incorporated into a more recent version. If
BM so, I might (might!) be tempted to upgrade.

I don't think MicroEd has changed since TB! v1.x, except for the
ability to use UTF. I don't know about the Windows editor.

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Please help me understand the Pros and Cons of MicroEd (many, many wrapping issues)

[AC]

I cannot get my head around MicroEd.  I want to like it, but I always
have problems with wrapping issues.  Please help me answer some
questions:

Question #1:
What are the differences between MicroEd and Plain Windows?

Question #2:
What does Auto-Format do?  Please be detailed, I don't get it.

Question #3:
Why can't the paragraphs wrap to the window size rather than a certain
number of characters?

Question #4:
Sometimes I write an email, it looks fine.  But when the other person
recieves it, the wrapping is all crazy with alternating long/short
lines.  As if one of my lines was being wrapped before it should be
and the leftover spills over to the next line.

Question #5:
Why do we have to use Alt-L to reformat the wrapping if you go back
and edit?  All other editors everywhere in the world do this
automatically.  Is this a MicroEd thing, or does it happen with the
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Re: Please help me understand the Pros and Cons of MicroEd (many, many wrapping issues)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo AC,

On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:58:00 -0700GMT (21-8-2009, 8:58 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

A Question #1:
A What are the differences between MicroEd and Plain Windows?

Mainly  the  wrapping and the free caret (in MicroEd you can place the
cursor  anywhere and start typing, with the Windows editor you need to
insert  the  correct  number  of empty lines and the correct number of
spaces)
Also the Windows editor starts a new line at the beginning and MicroEd
starts it at the same 'tab' as the previous line.
   More like this
   and this

A Question #2:
A What does Auto-Format do?  Please be detailed, I don't get it.

I don't know everything. ;-)
It  doesn't  like  new  lines,  when  hit enter and continue typing it
continues  on  the same line. To really start a new line you've got to
start  a new paragraph: hit enter twice so you've got an empty line in
between.
When  you start typing in the middle of some text it keeps on wrapping
everything correctly instead of what you experience with question 5.

A Question #3:
A Why can't the paragraphs wrap to the window size rather than a certain
A number of characters?

That  way your contact will see what you see as the size of his window
and yours don't have to be the same. Kinda nice for tables and such.
It's  also  for  compatibility  with  text  mode  systems and prevents
problems with PGP for instance.
You can set the length of the lines yourself.

A Question #4:
A Sometimes I write an email, it looks fine.  But when the other person
A recieves it, the wrapping is all crazy with alternating long/short
A lines.  As if one of my lines was being wrapped before it should be
A and the leftover spills over to the next line.

If  your  contact  sees  things  different from what you see then he's
probably  using  a font that doesn't have all characters with the same
width. (Google for proportional and non-proportional fonts) TB alligns
with spaces and if your contact sees those with a different width...


A Question #5:
A Why do we have to use Alt-L to reformat the wrapping if you go back
A and edit?  All other editors everywhere in the world do this
A automatically.  Is this a MicroEd thing, or does it happen with the
A Windows editor also?

It doesn't happen with the Windows editor, nor does it happen when you
enable auto-format.

A 
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Re: Please help me understand the Pros and Cons of MicroEd (many, many wrapping issues)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Roelof,

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:46:58 +0200 GMT (21/Aug/09, 15:46 PM +0700 GMT),
Roelof Otten wrote:

A Question #4:
A Sometimes I write an email, it looks fine.  But when the other person
A recieves it, the wrapping is all crazy with alternating long/short
A lines.  As if one of my lines was being wrapped before it should be
A and the leftover spills over to the next line.

RO If  your  contact  sees  things  different from what you see then he's
RO probably  using  a font that doesn't have all characters with the same
RO width. (Google for proportional and non-proportional fonts) TB alligns
RO with spaces and if your contact sees those with a different width...

I think the long/short lines appear when you use CR in the middle of a
line.

@AC: When you type in MicroEd, there is not need to hit enter at the
end of the line, just continue typing. MicroEd should wrap it nicely,
and if it doesn't, use alt-L.

At the end of a paragraph, hit enter twice.

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Re: Please help me understand the Pros and Cons of MicroEd (many, many wrapping issues)

[Peter Meyns]

Hi AC,

on  Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:58:00 -0700GMT (21.08.2009, 08:58 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

A ...

A Question #5:
A Why do we have to use Alt-L to reformat the wrapping if you go back
A and edit?  All other editors everywhere in the world do this
A automatically...

This doesn't mean that it is the best way. MicroEd leaves the decision
to you if you want to wrap your edited message or keep that extra-long
line. I prefer this. :)

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Re: Please help me understand the Pros and Cons of MicroEd (many, many wrapping issues)

[MFPA]

Hi

On Friday 21 August 2009 at 3:03:12 PM, in
mid:1614134956.20090821210...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de, Thomas
Fernandez wrote:


 I think the long/short lines appear when you use CR in
 the middle of a line.

Maybe the person is reading the message in an application that wraps
at the window edge. If the line length in the message is a bit longer
than his window width, the rest of that line spills onto the next line
of his display. Then another new line starts on his screen where the
message text begins a new line.

Alternatively, look at these messages in the Outbox or the Sent folder
to see if your copy has alternating long and short lines, too. If it
is a message you have gone back and edited but not reformatted with
ALT+L (assuming you are not using auto-format) then TB! will have
wrapped any excessively long lines but maybe not to the width in your
editor settings. I have TB! set to wrap at 70 characters but in the
case just outlined, overly long lines are wrapped at something like 96
characters when the message is sent or saved to Outbox.

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Re: Please help me understand the Pros and Cons of MicroEd (many, many wrapping issues)

[MFPA]

Hi

On Friday 21 August 2009 at 7:13:56 PM, in
mid:524980689.20090821201...@nosuchdomain.com, Peter Meyns wrote:


 MicroEd leaves the decision to you if you want to wrap your edited
 message or keep that extra-long line.


I have wrapping set to 70 characters. I can keep the extra-long line
in the editor window but when I put the message in the outbox any
extra-long lines are wrapped at 96 characters.


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Can anyone help with MSN

[MikeD]

Hello Guys,

Has anyone gotten TB to work with msn.com? I can get it to read,
but I have not been able to figure out a config that works to get
it   to   send   messages.   Any  help  or  suggestions  would  be
appreciated.

  

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Re: Can anyone help with MSN

[MFPA]

Hi

On Wednesday 29 July 2009 at 5:52:58 PM, in
mid:786730490.20090729125...@verizon.net, MikeD wrote:


 Hello Guys,

 Has anyone gotten TB to work with msn.com? I can
 get it to read, but I have not been able to figure
 out a config that works to get it   to   send
 messages.   Any  help  or  suggestions  would  be
 appreciated.


Do you have to enable it on the account via their website first, like
with gmail and yahoo?


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Re: MACRO list in TB! help file

[Simon]

'Ello Thomas,

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:48:49 -0300 (your time) you said:

 There is one in German available, perhaps it helps a bit.
 http://www.thebatworld.de/system/sections/index.php?op=viewarticleartid=108

Yes, thanks, I'll look through that very comprehensive list :-)

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Re: MACRO list in TB! help file

[Simon]

'Ello Dan,

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:05:31 -0700 (your time) you said:

 Unless they repackaged the 4.2.6 with a newer helpfile and failed to
 update the date of the package on the website I would say no. At least it
 misses the %Postpone macro.

Thought as much, but asked anyway.

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MACRO list in TB! help file

[Privateofcourse]

Hello TBUDL,

 Does anyone know whether the MACRO list in the latest help file distributed
 with TB! is current and exhaustive?

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Re: MACRO list in TB! help file

[Dan Perez]

Hello Privateofcourse,

Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 7:46:37 AM, you wrote:

 Hello TBUDL,

  Does anyone know whether the MACRO list in the latest help file distributed
  with TB! is current and exhaustive?


Unless  they  repackaged the 4.2.6 with a newer helpfile and failed to
update the date of the package on the website I would say no. At least
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Re: MACRO list in TB! help file

[Thomas Martin]

Hello Privateofcourse,

on Tuesday, 14.
July 2009, at 17:03:33 [GMT +0200] you wrote regarding MACRO list in
TB! help file:

  Does anyone know whether the MACRO list in the latest help file distributed
  with TB! is current and exhaustive?

There is one in German available, perhaps it helps a bit.
http://www.thebatworld.de/system/sections/index.php?op=viewarticleartid=108

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Re: OT Help request

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Rick,

R There are some windows gurus on here and I think the answer if known
R would benefit all

R Here's what I want to do
R I want certain folders, when opened from ANY APPLICATION to always
R open with thumbnails enabled the way MY PICTURES does.

R This can be set to happen in windows explorer or My Computer but it
R will not carry over to other programs such as The Bat

R I have a specific folder I use for my animations and it always
R opens as a list even though it is set in windows as a photo album.
R Does anyone know the setting or registry entry so I don't have to
R constantly change this to Thumbnails each time I access the folder from a 
program?

Here using Win XP pro I go to START  CONTROL PANEL  FOLDER OPTIONS
and click on the VIEW tab. Near the bottom of the folder options is a
one which says Remember each folder's view settings.

Although for me that selection was already ticked, I too had been
having problems with photo folders opening showing DETAILS instead of
thumbnails regardless of which state they were in when I last closed
them. I un-ticked the option and then re-ticked it which caused the
APPLY button to become active. I clicked on APPLY and closed CONTROL
PANEL. I then went to a pictures folder and opened it (it opened in
DETAILS view) and changed the view to THUMBNAILS and closed the
folder. When I re-opened the folder, it was still set to THUMBNAILS. I
changed the VIEW to DETAILS, closed the folder and then re-opened it
to find that it was still set to DETAILS. I changed the VIEW again
back to THUMBNAILS, closed the folder and then re-opened it to find
the view still set to THUMBNAILS.

So it would seem that somewhere along the way that option became
corrupted. It appears that un-ticking and re-ticking the Remember
each folder's view settings has fixed the corruption.

Thanks for your question, it's helped me and might help you.

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Re: OT Help request

[Rick]

 Hello Rick,

R There are some windows gurus on here and I think the answer if known
R would benefit all

R Here's what I want to do
R I want certain folders, when opened from ANY APPLICATION to always
R open with thumbnails enabled the way MY PICTURES does.

R This can be set to happen in windows explorer or My Computer but it
R will not carry over to other programs such as The Bat

R I have a specific folder I use for my animations and it always
R opens as a list even though it is set in windows as a photo album.
R Does anyone know the setting or registry entry so I don't have to
R constantly change this to Thumbnails each time I access the folder from a 
program?

 Here using Win XP pro I go to START  CONTROL PANEL  FOLDER OPTIONS
 and click on the VIEW tab. Near the bottom of the folder options is a
 one which says Remember each folder's view settings.

 Although for me that selection was already ticked, I too had been
 having problems with photo folders opening showing DETAILS instead of
 thumbnails regardless of which state they were in when I last closed
 them. I un-ticked the option and then re-ticked it which caused the
 APPLY button to become active. I clicked on APPLY and closed CONTROL
 PANEL. I then went to a pictures folder and opened it (it opened in
 DETAILS view) and changed the view to THUMBNAILS and closed the
 folder. When I re-opened the folder, it was still set to THUMBNAILS. I
 changed the VIEW to DETAILS, closed the folder and then re-opened it
 to find that it was still set to DETAILS. I changed the VIEW again
 back to THUMBNAILS, closed the folder and then re-opened it to find
 the view still set to THUMBNAILS.

 So it would seem that somewhere along the way that option became
 corrupted. It appears that un-ticking and re-ticking the Remember
 each folder's view settings has fixed the corruption.

 Thanks for your question, it's helped me and might help you.

Thanks for the reply. I'm glad it fixed your issue. I am trying to get
a totally unrelated folder to show thumbnail. There has to be a way -
I'll find it eventually. I smell a registry issue :))

-- 
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When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world

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OT Help request

[Rick]

There are some windows gurus on here and I think the answer if known
would benefit all

Here's what I want to do
I want certain folders, when opened from ANY APPLICATION to always open with 
thumbnails enabled the way MY PICTURES does.

This can be set to happen in windows explorer or My Computer but it
will not carry over to other programs such as The Bat

I have a specific folder I use for my animations and it always opens as a list 
even though it is set in windows as a photo album. Does anyone know the setting 
or registry entry so I don't have to constantly change this to Thumbnails each 
time I access the folder from a program?

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In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - 
George Orwell

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Filter Help needed

[Tom]

Hello Everyone,

I am hoping for some clarification re filter rules.

I would like to streamline emails generated on a website to different
accounts ( in my bat and external) depending on who works on them.
I set up some filter but I am afraid I have not fully understood the
way they should work in sequence.
My current set up is:

1) known _ if address book contains sender move to inbox known
2) subject contains skipped move to folder A
3) subject contains mail delivery or header contains mailer daemon
or text contains  successful delivery notifications or text contains
fatal error move to Folder Bounce
4) text contains new address or text contains new account info
forward message to other email address A
5) recipient contains xyz forward to email address B

All filters are set to continue processing with other filters.

Should I use forward message to other email or redirect? What is the
difference? Does forward just mean a copy will be sent but the
original email is still going into the folder and then will be
processed by the next filter? My idea is to direct the emails to
whoever is working on them without creating duplicates or cluttering
the original mailbox. So if filter rule 3 is met, the journey ends in
folder Bounce but otherwise rule 4 should apply. 

  

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Re: Filter Help needed

[MAU]

Hello Tom,

 All filters are set to continue processing with other filters.

snipped

 So if filter rule 3 is met, the journey ends in folder Bounce but
 otherwise rule 4 should apply.

You should then set filter 3 to NOT continue processing with other 
filters

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Re[2]: Help-Partial message loss!

[Jeff Gaines]

Hello List,

On Saturday, November 15, 2008, 11:46:02 PM, Jack wrote:

 Do you mean your TB is installed and runs on the D: drive, not the
 C:drive?

Yes, about 50% of the apps I use are on the D drive - they either
don't need to be installed or it's a simple process of backing them up
and exporting the registry - like with TheBat. Gets me back up to
speed quickly after a re-install. Installing apps on the D drive gets
round a lot of Vista issues as well, it means my PC still belongs to
me, not MSFT.


 Well, that's good to know. But doesn't REGEDIT's export/import
 function overwrite the registry when you import from a previously
 exported registry file?

Yes, it over-writes the tree of the registry. It doesn't contain the
actual messages though, just pointers to the folders and preferences.

--
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Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK
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Help-Partial message loss!

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Fellow list members,

My wife had messages dated from 10-31 to 11-13 disappear from her
inbox. All other messages seem to be there. There are only 5 messages
currently residing in the inbox with a received date of Nov. and all
were from yesterday the 14th.

I did a search of *all* TB! folders for the string Bob in the header
because she remembers a message having come from Bob yesterday the
14th but it couldn't be found.

I looked on her C: drive in the folder called The Bat! contained in
the program files folder but I don't see anything in the The Bat!
folder which would seem to contain all messages.

I use Carbonite as a backup for this computer so presumably Carbonite
has a copy of the missing messages but again, I can't see where
they're stored. The Carbonite The Bat! folder contains exactly the
same things as the The Bat! folder on her C: drive. Where does TB!
keep all it's messages?

Assuming the location of the messages is known, can I simply copy the
messages from the Carbonite backup to the same location on her C:
drive?

Her computer is running the Vista OS with version 3.99.3 of TB!
installed.

-- 
TIA,
Jack LaRosa  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3
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Re: Help-Partial message loss!

[MFPA]

Hi

On Saturday 15 November 2008 at 2:36:40 PM, in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


 My wife had messages dated from 10-31 to 11-13
 disappear from her inbox. All other messages seem to be
 there. There are only 5 messages currently residing in
 the inbox with a received date of Nov. and all were
 from yesterday the 14th.

Strange. And worrying. I take it not accidentally deleted and residing
in the trash folder? Or in the folder they disappeared from if not
compressed since - check by selecting browse deleted messages from
the folder menu.

[...]

 I looked on her C: drive in the folder called The
 Bat! contained in the program files folder but I
 don't see anything in the The Bat! folder which would
 seem to contain all messages.

I think in very early versions of TB! the mail was there. Since I
discovered TB! at version 2.x the default has been %appdata%\The Bat!,
which might even equate to %email%. For each mail folder you should
find a messages.tbb and messages.tbi file (different extensions if you
use OTFE). The TBB file is the message base and the TBI is the index

 I use Carbonite as a backup for this computer so
 presumably Carbonite has a copy of the missing messages

I know nothing about carbonite but I would expect so if a backup was
made when the messages were present, unless the backup was overwritten
since they disappeared.

 Assuming the location of the messages is known, can I
 simply copy the messages from the Carbonite backup to
 the same location on her C: drive?

I would suggest renaming the message.tbb and .tbi files currently in
the folder (in case you need to revert to them) and copying the ones
from your backup into the folder, then firing up TB! and seeing what
messages you have.


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MFPA

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Re: Help-Partial message loss!

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

Saturday, November 15, 2008, 9:26:37 AM, you wrote:

M Hi

M On Saturday 15 November 2008 at 2:36:40 PM, in
M mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


 My wife had messages dated from 10-31 to 11-13
 disappear from her inbox. All other messages seem to be
 there. There are only 5 messages currently residing in
 the inbox with a received date of Nov. and all were
 from yesterday the 14th.

M Strange. And worrying. I take it not accidentally deleted and residing
M in the trash folder? Or in the folder they disappeared from if not
M compressed since - check by selecting browse deleted messages from
M the folder menu.

When I try that I get There are no deleted messages in this message
base.

M [...]

 I looked on her C: drive in the folder called The
 Bat! contained in the program files folder but I
 don't see anything in the The Bat! folder which would
 seem to contain all messages.

M I think in very early versions of TB! the mail was there. Since I
M discovered TB! at version 2.x the default has been %appdata%\The Bat!,
M which might even equate to %email%. For each mail folder you should
M find a messages.tbb and messages.tbi file (different extensions if you
M use OTFE). The TBB file is the message base and the TBI is the index

The folder %appdata% contains nothing relating to TB! and the folder
%email% doesn't exist. I'm assuming both folders should be accessed
from Windows Explorer which is how I searched the %appdata% folder.

 I use Carbonite as a backup for this computer so
 presumably Carbonite has a copy of the missing messages

M I know nothing about carbonite but I would expect so if a backup was
M made when the messages were present, unless the backup was overwritten
M since they disappeared.

Understood, and a concern since Carbonite backs up everything OTF.

 Assuming the location of the messages is known, can I
 simply copy the messages from the Carbonite backup to
 the same location on her C: drive?

M I would suggest renaming the message.tbb and .tbi files currently in
M the folder (in case you need to revert to them) and copying the ones
M from your backup into the folder, then firing up TB! and seeing what
M messages you have.

Love to try it if I can ever locate the messages. Thanks for trying to
help.

--

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 Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Help-Partial message loss!

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

Wait a minute, I may have found where the messages are stored. I have
to go to her computer to check.

Back in a few minutes
--

Best regards,
 Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Help-Partial message loss!

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

Something very strange here. If I look in *my* computer under PROGRAM
FILES-THE BAT! there is a folder called MAIL which when opened shows
folders for all accounts. If an account folder is opened it shows
everything pertaining to that account including .TBB and .TBI folders.

However, on my wife's computer the MAIL folder is completely missing
even though TB seems to function normally. Now I don't understand how
TB would continue to work without her MAIL folder. I'll check the
Carbonite backup for her missing MAIL folder.

I'll write back with an update.

--

Best regards,
 Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Using TB! v3.99.3 with K9 v1.28 anti spam
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Re: Help-Partial message loss!

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Saturday, November 15, 2008, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

 Something very strange here. If I look in *my* computer under PROGRAM
 FILES-THE BAT! there is a folder called MAIL which when opened shows
 folders for all accounts. If an account folder is opened it shows
 everything pertaining to that account including .TBB and .TBI folders.

 However, on my wife's computer the MAIL folder is completely missing
 even though TB seems to function normally. Now I don't understand how
 TB would continue to work without her MAIL folder. I'll check the
 Carbonite backup for her missing MAIL folder.

check Documents and Settings in C drive, if data are there, in this case,
name of folder can be The Bat! and not MAIL.

-- 

Bye

Marek Mikus
Czech support of The Bat!
http://www.thebat.cz

Using the best The Bat! 4.0.34.22 (ALPHA)
under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3
with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.1
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Re: Help-Partial message loss!

[Jernej Simončič]

On Saturday, November 15, 2008, 18:35:01, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

 However, on my wife's computer the MAIL folder is completely missing
 even though TB seems to function normally. Now I don't understand how
 TB would continue to work without her MAIL folder. I'll check the
 Carbonite backup for her missing MAIL folder.

Look in %APPDATA%\The Bat (or %APPDATA%\RIT\The Bat) instead, as newer
versions store mail in per-user locations.

-- 
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The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that, you've got it made.
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