[tw5] Re: file size reduction

[SveRo]

OK, reduced about 50% thankyou

Am Dienstag, 10. April 2018 06:55:12 UTC+2 schrieb SveRo:
>
> Hi all,
>
> i've got TW5 v. 5.15 running.
> No includet PDF's, pics or something like that but the file has > 10Mb.
>
> I've tested some pluginns in the past, but removed the after testing.
> Just the "checklist plugin" is acive!
>
> Is there any possibility to check form what part the file size is comming?
>
> OR...
>
> Can i do "mass -export"of mytiddler to set up a comletely new TW5,
> but with the side-bar configuration i established?
>
> Many thank for your reply's
>
> Best Regards
> Sven
>

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[tw5] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

[Stephan Hradek]

Am Dienstag, 10. April 2018 02:17:59 UTC+2 schrieb TonyM:
>
> JD,
>
> Should we be using a new thread to collaborate otherwise we are somewhat 
> hijacking the thread?
>
Isn't this something for the TiddlyWikiDev group? 

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[tw5] Re: The Performance At Scale Bummer ... Initial Notes

[Mat]

Apropos results-as-you-type, I just (re-)stumbled over this, for anyone is 
interested. Who knows, maybe it has some superior algorithm for big data 
sets or some other useful aspect that we can use: Awesomplete 


<:-)

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[tw5] Re: file size reduction

[Mat]

The matter felt familiar so I checked one of my main TWs for "sizesort" 
and, sure enough;

<$list filter="[!is[system]!is[shadow]!lsort[]]">
<$macrocall $name="length" tiddler={{!!title}}/>
<$link><$view field=title/>


Now, that "length" macro is apparently from this plugin by Thomas Elmiger:

$:/plugins/telmiger/EditorCounter/counter.js


do a search and you'll probably find it.

After those things were made, we now have a "count" filter operator. Maybe 
that can be used instead to not depend on that separate plugin... but on 
the other hand it might be much slower, I have no idea.

<:-)


On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 6:55:12 AM UTC+2, SveRo wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> i've got TW5 v. 5.15 running.
> No includet PDF's, pics or something like that but the file has > 10Mb.
>
> I've tested some pluginns in the past, but removed the after testing.
> Just the "checklist plugin" is acive!
>
> Is there any possibility to check form what part the file size is comming?
>
> OR...
>
> Can i do "mass -export"of mytiddler to set up a comletely new TW5,
> but with the side-bar configuration i established?
>
> Many thank for your reply's
>
> Best Regards
> Sven
>

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[tw5] file size reduction

[SveRo]

Hi all,

i've got TW5 v. 5.15 running.
No includet PDF's, pics or something like that but the file has > 10Mb.

I've tested some pluginns in the past, but removed the after testing.
Just the "checklist plugin" is acive!

Is there any possibility to check form what part the file size is comming?

OR...

Can i do "mass -export"of mytiddler to set up a comletely new TW5,
but with the side-bar configuration i established?

Many thank for your reply's

Best Regards
Sven

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] "Muuri-Touch" plugin

[Morgaine O'Herne]

I've recently discovered TW5, and I'm excited about all the things it can 
do.  I'd like to try the Muuri Alpha, but I can't find the plugin on the 
page.

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 1:55:16 PM UTC-7, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> *An *alpha state *plugin *is now available on 
> http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com
>
> It's meant for you if you like tinkering and testing
>
> If you get it, if you find a solution for something or some errors, I'd 
> ask you to give a short feedback, that'd be great!
>
>
> p.s. there's an error when dragging links with dragging switched on - 
> switch it off to do that
>
> I'm curious about your feedback,
>
> best wishes,
> Simon
>

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[tw5] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

[TonyM]

JD,

Should we be using a new thread to collaborate otherwise we are somewhat 
hijacking the thread?

Of note is I am using filters such as "[tag[WhitePaper]]" where it would be 
nice to either include all tiddlers tagged by the tiddlers that are tagged 
by WhitePaper like the Table of Contents macro

I think there would be value being able to specify more than one filter as 
you suggest.

For the moment I am just thinking will the second filter be wrapped inside 
the first?

Imagine filter1 filter2 filter3 = chapter section paragraph

So when listing paragraphs we only want to be listing those with the same 
chapter and section
And ideally each filter will provide the sort order.

I will return to this soon.

Tony


On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 10:24:26 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>
> Hey Tony, I was thinking of adding "subtiddler" as another optional 
> parameter, then going along these lines:
>
> <$list filter="$filter$" variable="parItem">
> <$transclude tiddler=<> subtiddler="$subtiddler$"/>
> 
>
> As you can see, I'm not quite imaginative enough to think of more than 
> that . Please do share your ideas, and use the code present on the demo 
> site to build something better (we can build them together, too, I just 
> don't know how collabs work).
>
> I'm also still mulling over using the Navigator widget, which requires the 
> creation of additional tiddlers, with the absolute pro of not having to 
> rely on temporary tiddlers... 樂
>
>
> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 7:30:47 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> JD,
>>
>> I just tried this and it is very helpful. Thanks for the demo.
>>
>> I just applied it to a list of issues (items tagged Issues) and realised 
>> It would be helpful to list the sub tiddlers.
>>
>> I have more ideas and some ideas about how to approach it, if you were to 
>> develop it further but as you say this conversation is already under way.
>>
>> It seems a somewhat simpler approach is down this path.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 2:09:28 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> I hastily created a wordy little macro that does the same thing, before 
>>> I read your post, and now I feel stupid lol 
>>>
>>> Still, I created a demo for the "paragraphs" macro, as seen here 
>>> http://j.d.paragraphs.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> But the navigator widget(?) method does look cleaner
>>>
>>> EDIT: corrected URL
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 12:05:45 PM UTC+9, zemoxian wrote:

 Here's a barebones template to start from:
  

 <$navigator story="PE:story" history="PE:history">
 {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}}
 <$list filter="[list[PE:story]]" template="$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate" 
 editTemplate="$:/core/ui/EditTemplate" 
 emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}} />
 

  You can create custom templates to replace $:/core/ui/EditTemplate 
 and $:/core/ui/EditTemplate with simpler templates with the required 
 functionality.
  
 For example the view template could be as simple as:
  

 
 {{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit}}
 {{||move-up button}} {{||move-down button}}
 <$view field=title />
 
 <$transclude />
 
 

  The move-up and down buttons would allow you to move paragraphs or 
 sections up and down.
  
 On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 9:58:26 PM UTC-4, zemoxian wrote:

> You could combine a navigator widget with a list widget and a couple 
> of templates to manipulate multiple tiddlers from one tiddler.  This is 
> actually how the story works in the PageTemplate.  I've done this in the 
> past while fiddling with stuff.  The navigator widget handles 
> manipulation 
> of the story tiddler by handling messages from buttons on the view and 
> edit 
> templates for the sub tiddlers.  You can create, edit, delete, save, etc. 
>  
> You can also create buttons with list operations to sort or reorder the 
> tiddlers. (I.e. move up 1, move down 1, move to top, move to bottom, 
> etc.)  
> So, it is possible to keep each sub tiddler as a single paragraph with 
> its 
> own title, tags, and fields and reorder them as needed.  It just depends 
> on 
> what features you want for a particular story editing app. It is a little 
> tedious creating an app like this because you need to create the various 
> templates and buttons, etc.
>  
> On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 at 12:46:29 PM UTC-4, Vytas wrote:
>
>> I think it is not that important, whether you segment one tiddler by 
>> its fields (if their content can indeed contain longer texts, links, 
>> images..), or by creating new tiddlers within the primary tiddler, AS 
>> LONG 
>> AS you have the ability to EDIT those segments within the edit-window of 
>> that primary tiddler. 
>>
>> Indeed, if you are writing a coherent text, tagging separate 
>> paragraphs by excising those paragraphs into 

[tw5] [OT] Card Design

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi all, 

maybe some of you might find this article helpful, inspiring or interesting:

Pitfalls of Card UIs - daverupert.com 
https://daverupert.com/2018/04/pitfalls-of-card-uis/

Many Wikis I know use the cards metaphor and as a TW user and/or designer you 
might know some of the problems the author describes. 

Cheers, 
Thomas

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[tw5] Re: Preparing for v5.1.16

[PMario]

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 7:21:40 PM UTC+2, TheDiveO wrote:
>
> PMario,
> does this already cover the case where a title contains quotes? Or does 
> this need some escaping?
>

It can do, what a browser can handle. .. NO TW specific stuff here.

eg: title: aa"aa

CSS: 

[data-title="aa\"aa"] {
 border: 4px solid blue; 
}



or

[data-title='aa"aa'] {
 border: 4px solid blue; 
}



-m

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[tw5] Re: Display contents of tiddler as list

[Craig Chandler]

On Monday, 9 April 2018 16:05:04 UTC+9:30, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
> You could also use my pick plugin  
> and use this in your select:
>
> <$select field="Topic:">
> <$list filter="[[Topic List]pick:text[(?gm)^(.+)$]]">
> <$view field='title'/>
> 
> 
>
>
>
Thanks Stephan, checked it out, very handy 

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[tw5] Re: tiddler list with titles and tags

[Jed Carty]

If the reason you want to use {{!!tags}} is formatting than you can make a 
list of tags that is formatted the same way but it is a bit awkward.

In place of {{!!tags}} you can put:

<$list filter='[is[current]tags[]sort[]butlast[]]'><$view 
field='title'/>,<$list 
filter='[is[current]tags[]sort[]last[]]'><$view field='title'/>

I just tried this on tiddlywiki.com and I can see why you want that format 
for the list. It looks much nicer than I expected.

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[tw5] Re: tiddler list with titles and tags

[Captain Packers]

Thanks Jed.

The tags within the string referenced by {{!!tags}} do not seem to be 
sorted. That's what I'd really like to accomplish, but if it's not done by 
the core then we're talking about writing some code to do it, right? I'm 
not sure I'm willing to go that far to have a sorted list of tags. I'm just 
trying to set up a GTD system.

Thanks again for all the feedback.

On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 1:36:42 PM UTC-4, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> No, it isn't possible to sort it using {{!!tags}}, when you do that than 
> you get the string stored in the tags field and the sorting works on items 
> in a list, not on the characters in a string. The tags field should be 
> sorted by title, but there may be times, like when you add a new tag, when 
> it isn't sorted. I am not certain that ever happens. But you can't sort it 
> any other way unless you put it in a list.
>

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[tw5] Tooltips / modals that refer to tiddlers: a static / mobile impasse?

[David Gifford]

Hi all

Experimented today with exporting tiddlers to static html, but tiddlers 
that have popups with content from other tiddlers.

1. At first I tried tooltips on hover. Worked great for my laptop. Got it 
to look and function perfectly. Exported and uploaded it to 
http://giffmex.org/experiments/hier.html, and it worked perfectly accessing 
it online from my laptop. Then tried it on my iPad: no hover. Clicking in 
one browser did nothing. Clicking in another browser opened the tooltip but 
didn't allow me to close it. 

2. So I went back to the drawing board and tried button with on-click 
modals. Again, worked fine in TiddlyWiki. But those don't work when 
exporting to static, because they need the guts of TiddlyWiki to execute 
the action.

Is there a way around this impasse? My goal is to have a bare bones 
outline, with hidden content that is revealed in popups, that works in 
exported static htmls when accessed by mobile devices.

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[tw5] Re: Double sort of filtered list for ToDoNow

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi Mark,

that's it! It works on my Android with AndTidWiki :-))

Thanks a ton!!

Surya



Am Montag, 9. April 2018 03:16:58 UTC+2 schrieb Mark S.:
>
> Hi Surya,
>
> Good news! I think I got my original approach to work:
>
> <$set name="listfilter" value="""[tag[ToDo]][tag[ToDoNow]] 
> +[has[todo-deadline]days:todo-deadline[7]eachday[todo-deadline]sort[todo-deadline]]""">
> <$set name="listfilter2" 
> value="""[tag[ToDo]has[todo-deadline]sameday:todo-deadline{!!todo-deadline}] 
> [tag[ToDoNow]has[todo-deadline]sameday:todo-deadline{!!todo-deadline}] 
> +[sort[]]""">
>
> 
> <$list filter=<> emptyMessage="< 'Relax-Nothing-to-do'>>
> ">
> <$view field="todo-deadline" format="date" template="-0MM-0DD"/>
> <$list filter=<> >
>
><>
>
> 
> 
> 
>
> 
>
> You'll probably want to make it look better. 
>
> As it turned out, the documentation for "sameday" is wrong. It says to use 
> a date like mmdd but you actually appear to need the full nine digit 
> date-stamp. OR, maybe you can get away with mmdd IF you're living in 
> Greenwich.
>
> HTH!
>
> -- Mark
>

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[tw5] Re: Announcing Apps Folder access

[Miroslav Kalous]

Just wanted to point the the fact that tiddlywiki.com links (here 
) to 
the older version of Arlen's TW5 in the Sky. So if this reads anyone able 
to change that, it'd be great to point users to the newer version: 
https://twcloud.github.io/tw5-dropbox/.

Btw as of today this newer version also supports autosave! Thanks to Arlen.


On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 5:34:32 AM UTC+2, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Over the weekend, as you know, I upgraded 
> https://twcloud.github.io/tw5-dropbox/ to the new Dropbox API. I also 
> took the opportunity to add apps folder access, since it involved about 4 
> extra lines of code (and a little UI). 
>
> So now when you go to the link above, it will ask you which one you want. 
> If you already were using TW5 in the Sky, just click Full Dropbox Access, 
> and you get it the same as always. If you want to only give the app access 
> to its own folder in Dropbox, click Apps Folder Access.
>
> The buttons are just styled hyperlinks, so you can drag them directly to 
> your bookmarks bar if you always want to go straight to one or the other. 
>
> The Dropbox stats page shows that some people have already noticed, but 
> since this has been a requested feature, I thought I would announce it to 
> let everyone know. 
>
> Unfortunately, TWC is not supported. You may be able to TWC files, but 
> won't be able to save them. Pull requests or Issues with instructions on 
> what needs to be done are definitely welcome. 
>
> So here's the link again: https://twcloud.github.io/tw5-dropbox/
>
> And here's the Github repo: https://github.com/twcloud/tw5-dropbox
>
> Enjoy,
> Arlen
>

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[tw5] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

[BurningTreeC]

>
> @JD ... I tried my idea with the moveable button - an error happened that 
> should now be solved with an update on the pan widget - set $refresh="no" 
> in <$pan ...>
>
> also, my css was wrong, it should be position: fixed;
>
>
> My FAB button is moving all over the screen now, pretty cool
> The secondary buttons though are still on their place - I'm still using 
> your previous fab buttons, without the swipe
>
> No the error isn't solved, unlucky try

If you're trying and you get an error at pan-end, I think there are other 
ways to do it

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[tw5] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

[BurningTreeC]

@JD ... I tried my idea with the moveable button - an error happened that 
should now be solved with an update on the pan widget - set $refresh="no" 
in <$pan ...>

also, my css was wrong, it should be position: fixed;


My FAB button is moving all over the screen now, pretty cool
The secondary buttons though are still on their place - I'm still using 
your previous fab buttons, without the swipe


BTC


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[tw5] Re: How to gracefully transclude tiddlers with titles?

[Mat]

I think you can create a stylesheet that cover the cases you expect, 
because I do think you must predefine it manually. You can try this just to 
see an example for how to target things.
In your Maintopic tiddler, put this at the bottom of it;


h1 ~ h1 {background:red;}
h1 ~ h1 ~ h2 {background:green;}


<:-)
 

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[tw5] Re: The Performance At Scale Bummer ... Initial Notes

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I perceive the results-as-you-type thing as more of a toy -- not a 
usability development. Not just TW, but anywhere it's used. It may make 
sense when it's attached to  a powerful back-end server database, but not 
so much when you have a local, non-indexed data source. In the case of TW, 
it interferes with usability particularly on small devices. Re-rendering 
with each keystroke is another related problem that affects all TW's 
performance. I can only assume most users are not touch typists, have very 
powerful machines, have small TW's, or are using screen keyboards.

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On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 4:11:39 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Mark S.
>
> I guess part of the issue is that "usability" developments can have 
> consequences unforeseen at the time???
>
> J.
>
> Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> > Such as a search that responds keystroke by keystroke.
>>
>> I would love to turn that feature off. You don't need 85,000 tiddlers to 
>> have it slow things down -- even a few hundred is enough on a tablet. I'd 
>> much rather type and enter without the performance and interference hit.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

[JD]

I just got acquainted with this plugin (PMarios's Bundler). Thanks for the 
info! 

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 9:15:21 PM UTC+9, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> JD, related to my last ... IF the overhead in total is low then mixed 
> package. IF the functionality of each "bit" is discrete: separate.
>
> A way to deal with keeping track and being able to provide "packages" is 
> to use PMario's BUNDLER tool 
> 
>  
> to assemble complete packages for those who want them.
>
> EDIT: By which I mean packages of plugins.
>
> JD wrote:
>>
>> ... Or together are they small enough to be packaged together? I'm 
>> thinking of folks who have a lot of plugins installed who might get 
>> confused over which plugin is dependent on which plugin. The hurdles of 
>> keeping track!
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: HammerWidgets - Actions on Swipe, Pan, Press, Tap and Pinch

[BurningTreeC]

... and the Pinch widget is online, too

some small changes may be made the next days on some widgets the next days. 
nothing big - cleaning up and looking for errors

BTC

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[tw5] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

[JD]

Hey Tony, I was thinking of adding "subtiddler" as another optional 
parameter, then going along these lines:

<$list filter="$filter$" variable="parItem">
<$transclude tiddler=<> subtiddler="$subtiddler$"/>


As you can see, I'm not quite imaginative enough to think of more than that 
. Please do share your ideas, and use the code present on the demo site 
to build something better (we can build them together, too, I just don't 
know how collabs work).

I'm also still mulling over using the Navigator widget, which requires the 
creation of additional tiddlers, with the absolute pro of not having to 
rely on temporary tiddlers... 樂


On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 7:30:47 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:
>
> JD,
>
> I just tried this and it is very helpful. Thanks for the demo.
>
> I just applied it to a list of issues (items tagged Issues) and realised 
> It would be helpful to list the sub tiddlers.
>
> I have more ideas and some ideas about how to approach it, if you were to 
> develop it further but as you say this conversation is already under way.
>
> It seems a somewhat simpler approach is down this path.
>
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 2:09:28 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>>
>> I hastily created a wordy little macro that does the same thing, before I 
>> read your post, and now I feel stupid lol 
>>
>> Still, I created a demo for the "paragraphs" macro, as seen here 
>> http://j.d.paragraphs.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> But the navigator widget(?) method does look cleaner
>>
>> EDIT: corrected URL
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 12:05:45 PM UTC+9, zemoxian wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's a barebones template to start from:
>>>  
>>>
>>> <$navigator story="PE:story" history="PE:history">
>>> {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}}
>>> <$list filter="[list[PE:story]]" template="$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate" 
>>> editTemplate="$:/core/ui/EditTemplate" 
>>> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}} />
>>> 
>>>
>>>  You can create custom templates to replace $:/core/ui/EditTemplate and 
>>> $:/core/ui/EditTemplate with simpler templates with the required 
>>> functionality.
>>>  
>>> For example the view template could be as simple as:
>>>  
>>>
>>> 
>>> {{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit}}
>>> {{||move-up button}} {{||move-down button}}
>>> <$view field=title />
>>> 
>>> <$transclude />
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>  The move-up and down buttons would allow you to move paragraphs or 
>>> sections up and down.
>>>  
>>> On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 9:58:26 PM UTC-4, zemoxian wrote:
>>>
 You could combine a navigator widget with a list widget and a couple of 
 templates to manipulate multiple tiddlers from one tiddler.  This is 
 actually how the story works in the PageTemplate.  I've done this in the 
 past while fiddling with stuff.  The navigator widget handles manipulation 
 of the story tiddler by handling messages from buttons on the view and 
 edit 
 templates for the sub tiddlers.  You can create, edit, delete, save, etc.  
 You can also create buttons with list operations to sort or reorder the 
 tiddlers. (I.e. move up 1, move down 1, move to top, move to bottom, etc.) 
  
 So, it is possible to keep each sub tiddler as a single paragraph with its 
 own title, tags, and fields and reorder them as needed.  It just depends 
 on 
 what features you want for a particular story editing app. It is a little 
 tedious creating an app like this because you need to create the various 
 templates and buttons, etc.
  
 On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 at 12:46:29 PM UTC-4, Vytas wrote:

> I think it is not that important, whether you segment one tiddler by 
> its fields (if their content can indeed contain longer texts, links, 
> images..), or by creating new tiddlers within the primary tiddler, AS 
> LONG 
> AS you have the ability to EDIT those segments within the edit-window of 
> that primary tiddler. 
>
> Indeed, if you are writing a coherent text, tagging separate 
> paragraphs by excising those paragraphs into different tiddlers makes the 
> editing very cumbersome: you have to jump to those new tiddlers to edit 
> them and then come back to the primary tiddler to see the integral 
> result. 
>


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[tw5] Re: Preparing for v5.1.16

[BurningTreeC]

>
> Sorry I dont have enough time and all the required skills to update it in 
> due time for v5.1.16 release, but I promise I'll go on working on it for 
> next one.
> (I just started learning JavaScript, D3 and TW in January... my coding 
> efficiency is still limited)
>
> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 11:30:52 AM UTC+2, BurningTreeC wrote:
>>
>> @Jeremy Ruston 
>>
>> about the d3 plugin: I think we won't make it in time to adjust the new 
>> widgets so that they can be used in a productive way - they're still in a 
>> demo-state
>>
>> We can leave the plugin as it is, or remove the widgets and have just the 
>> library updated - adding some infos and links to the readme
>>
>>
>> Sorry @Silverfox , I didn't want to make you feel forced to act on this

Here I'm just trying to see if it can make it in as it is - it's not worse 
than the one before, but up to date
 

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[tw5] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

[@TiddlyTweeter]

JD, related to my last ... IF the overhead in total is low then mixed 
package. IF the functionality of each "bit" is discrete: separate.

A way to deal with keeping track and being able to provide "packages" is to 
use PMario's BUNDLER tool 

 
to assemble complete packages for those who want them.

JD wrote:
>
> ... Or together are they small enough to be packaged together? I'm 
> thinking of folks who have a lot of plugins installed who might get 
> confused over which plugin is dependent on which plugin. The hurdles of 
> keeping track!
>

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[tw5] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

[JD]

That was a refreshing video, Josiah, thanks  

Yeah, I was wondering about modularity as well. With all the other amazing 
folks who are using BTC's widgets, separated widgets might be the best way 
to go. Although it might be trickier for the devs to keep all those modular 
plugins in sync with each other (this is just speculation, I've no 
experience with modular stuff)...


On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 7:25:44 PM UTC+9, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Dear Dynamic Duo, BTC (Batman) and JD (Robin) :-)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK4H-LkrQjQ
>
> A small plea from Gotham City inhabitants.
>
> When you come to decide how the various pieces of this jigsaw are 
> finalised into plugins *I wish for modularity*. So that I could use parts 
> of your wholes without having to import stuff I won't use ... :-).
>
> For instance...
>
> -- the FAB buttons are so fab I think they could work alone--as well as 
> part of a bigger theme change.
>
> -- the TOUCHY stuff: pan, zoom, pinch, slide and crunch--some issues come 
> up cross platform. Ideally it would be good if they all work on touch and 
> non-touch screens. But I think, practically, some bits won't. I think 
> modularity can part help with this issue--so end users can be clearer what 
> will and won't. I very much appreciate that designing for desktop, tablet 
> and smart-phone simultaneously is a challenge that your Duo is playing with 
> in excellent ways.
>
> Just thoughts, best wishes
> Josiah
>

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[tw5] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

[JD]

Whaa this is a really cool idea... that might even result into a 
separate FAB plugin. I see this being usable even outside of Material 
theme! I'll start working on a demo. 

Btw, as more and more people use your widgets in their plugins/theme, do 
you think it's better if the widgets remain separate, to be pulled from the 
official plugin library? Or together are they small enough to be packaged 
together? I'm thinking of folks who have a lot of plugins installed who 
might get confused over which plugin is dependent on which plugin. The 
hurdles of keeping track!

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 6:54:39 PM UTC+9, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Oh man, by using that feature of the dynaview plugin, it looks like I 
>> indeed have to top-fix something. Thanks for the recommendation! 
>>
>> I'll look more into it, but as of now it's not bothering me at all on 
>> Noteself Android. It's just Chrome (for Android) that's showing some kinks
>>
>
> Just letting you know about that feature, it's a bit hidden
>
> I got an idea for your FAB button if you want to make it movable
>
> you can use the <$press> and <$pan> widget on it and set the $time 
> interval of the press widget higher, so that one needs to press for an 
> amount of time to trigger the action
> then the action would be to set the pan widget state on: 
> $state={{$:/a-tiddler-for-on-off}}
> then the fab button could be moved around
> the endactions of the pan widget then can set the state of 
> $:/a-tiddler-for-on-off to "off"
>
> then with some css:
>
> <$list filter="[[$:/state/fab-pan-statetiddler]!is[missing]]">
>
> .tc-fab-button {
> position: absolute;
> left: {{$:/state/fab-pan-statetiddler!!center-x}}px;
> top: {{$:/state/fab-pan-statetiddler!!center-y}}px;
> bottom: inherit;
> right: inherit;
> }
>
> 
>

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[tw5] Re: I love TiddlyWiki because...

[@TiddlyTweeter]

"... It is an AMAZING tool -- exactly what I need!"

@ELMShuman 

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[tw5] Re: Preparing for v5.1.16

[Silverfox]

Sorry I dont have enough time and all the required skills to update it in 
due time for v5.1.16 release, but I promise I'll go on working on it for 
next one.
(I just started learning JavaScript, D3 and TW in January... my coding 
efficiency is still limited)

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 11:30:52 AM UTC+2, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> @Jeremy Ruston 
>
> about the d3 plugin: I think we won't make it in time to adjust the new 
> widgets so that they can be used in a productive way - they're still in a 
> demo-state
>
> We can leave the plugin as it is, or remove the widgets and have just the 
> library updated - adding some infos and links to the readme
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Will do. Give me a few days so I can be precise.

BurningTreeC wrote:
>
>
>> Ciao Josiah, may I ask you to report over on the HammerWidgets thread 
> which things don't work on which browser with which type of pointer 
> (mouse/touch)?
>

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[tw5] Re: The Performance At Scale Bummer ... Initial Notes

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mark S.

I guess part of the issue is that "usability" developments can have 
consequences unforeseen at the time???

J.

Mark S. wrote:
>
> > Such as a search that responds keystroke by keystroke.
>
> I would love to turn that feature off. You don't need 85,000 tiddlers to 
> have it slow things down -- even a few hundred is enough on a tablet. I'd 
> much rather type and enter without the performance and interference hit.
>

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[tw5] Re: The Performance At Scale Bummer ... Initial Notes

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao TonyM & all interested

I do think that a "Rules Of Thumb" note on SCALABILITY could be very useful.

The issue is expressing it correctly. 

So much of performance is an EMPIRICAL issue, that without testing variant 
use cases, you can make TW look worse than it is. That is not a good idea.

To give an example: Whilst 8,000 Tiddlers of Tweets with tags that rely on 
filtering gets very slow, a TW with addresses for 8,000 external images of 
which the next displayed is calculated via a random number it is fine. In 
the first case you got a lot of processing & rendering. In the second you 
don't.

To be useful guidance on Scalability I think needs informing by testing by 
USE CASE.

Best wishes
Josiah

TonyM wrote:
>
> ... Perhaps we should start a discussion specifically on settings and 
> tools for large wikis?
>
> ... When it come to scale there are a number of performance issue's, one 
> of which NoteSelf solved by showing the  "Loading" message before TW can 
> respond at all.  What I quickly realised is when you have a lot of 
> tiddlers, quite a few assumptions made in a regular tiddlywiki's, for 
> features and responsiveness are no longer valid. Such as a search that 
> responds keystroke by keystroke.
>
> There is no reason why we can't supply some tools to support such large 
> data-sets. 
>

> ... What I suggest is we bundle a range of settings together, perhaps in a 
> plugin designed to reconfigure TiddlyWiki for larger data sets...
>
 

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[tw5] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

[BurningTreeC]

>
> -- the TOUCHY stuff: pan, zoom, pinch, slide and crunch--some issues come 
> up cross platform. Ideally it would be good if they all work on touch and 
> non-touch screens. But I think, practically, some bits won't. I think 
> modularity can part help with this issue--so end users can be clearer what 
> will and won't. I very much appreciate that designing for desktop, tablet 
> and smart-phone simultaneously is a challenge that your Duo is playing with 
> in excellent ways.
>
> Ciao Josiah, may I ask you to report over on the HammerWidgets thread 
which things don't work on which browser with which type of pointer 
(mouse/touch)?

BTC

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[tw5] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Dear Dynamic Duo, BTC (Batman) and JD (Robin) :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK4H-LkrQjQ

A small plea from Gotham City inhabitants.

When you come to decide how the various pieces of this jigsaw are finalised 
into plugins *I wish for modularity*. So that I could use parts of your 
wholes without having to import stuff I won't use ... :-).

For instance...

-- the FAB buttons are so fab I think they could work alone--as well as 
part of a bigger theme change.

-- the TOUCHY stuff: pan, zoom, pinch, slide and crunch--some issues come 
up cross platform. Ideally it would be good if they all work on touch and 
non-touch screens. But I think, practically, some bits won't. I think 
modularity can part help with this issue--so end users can be clearer what 
will and won't. I very much appreciate that designing for desktop, tablet 
and smart-phone simultaneously is a challenge that your Duo is playing with 
in excellent ways.

Just thoughts, best wishes
Josiah

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Re: [tw5] Re: HammerWidgets - Actions on Swipe, Pan, Press, Tap and Pinch

[Jan Johannpeter]

Hello Simon,
I will need some time to see what is best.
I think I will change the story-left with that techinque.

Yours Jan

2018-04-09 10:47 GMT+02:00 BurningTreeC :

> Hi Simon,
>> very good that this seems to be possible...But I would like to see the
>> sidebar being dragged before snapping back or snapping away when lifting
>> the finger.
>> The whole thing ist not vitally necessary of course but it feels better
>> in the user experience...
>>
>> Regarding the div to drag/pan in the menu when it is turned off... I
>> thought about that, the problem is that it is either so small that you risk
>> accidentally triggering the jump-back-in-history-mechanism which is
>> implemented in most of the mobile browsers...or it is takink to much space.
>> I would like to use the entire story-river to drag in the menu on a
>> mobile screen. On bigger screens I would take the left margin of the
>> tiddler - as you did for the slidebar
>>
>> Herzliche Grüße
>> Jan
>>
>> Hi Jan ,
>
> The problem here is not if it's possible or not, but that it's possible to
> do in so many different ways
> It's a combination of two/three plugins and some css calculations all
> working together
>
> The first thing one should understand here is, that the pan widget gives
> you the coordinates in pixels in the state tiddler (center-x field)
> By transcluding that field in a stylesheet you can pan on an element and
> set the position of that element or another element to that new position
>
> for example:
>
> .tc-tiddler-frame {
> position: absolute;
> left: {{$:/state/pan!!center-x}}px;
> }
>
> now if you add the <$pan $targets="tc-tiddler-frame"> in the
> $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate before the >> then you
> should be able to move tiddlers left/right
> If not, then it needs only some css adjustments
>
>
>
> What I want to say is, that it's important to first understand how these
> parts work together,
> then it's an easy thing to realize your ideas
>
> Simon
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[tw5] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

[BurningTreeC]

>
> Oh man, by using that feature of the dynaview plugin, it looks like I 
> indeed have to top-fix something. Thanks for the recommendation! 
>
> I'll look more into it, but as of now it's not bothering me at all on 
> Noteself Android. It's just Chrome (for Android) that's showing some kinks
>

Just letting you know about that feature, it's a bit hidden

I got an idea for your FAB button if you want to make it movable

you can use the <$press> and <$pan> widget on it and set the $time interval 
of the press widget higher, so that one needs to press for an amount of 
time to trigger the action
then the action would be to set the pan widget state on: 
$state={{$:/a-tiddler-for-on-off}}
then the fab button could be moved around
the endactions of the pan widget then can set the state of 
$:/a-tiddler-for-on-off to "off"

then with some css:

<$list filter="[[$:/state/fab-pan-statetiddler]!is[missing]]">

.tc-fab-button {
position: absolute;
left: {{$:/state/fab-pan-statetiddler!!center-x}}px;
top: {{$:/state/fab-pan-statetiddler!!center-y}}px;
bottom: inherit;
right: inherit;
}



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[tw5] Re: Preparing for v5.1.16

[BurningTreeC]

@Jeremy Ruston 

about the d3 plugin: I think we won't make it in time to adjust the new 
widgets so that they can be used in a productive way - they're still in a 
demo-state

We can leave the plugin as it is, or remove the widgets and have just the 
library updated - adding some infos and links to the readme


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[tw5] Re: Preparing for v5.1.16

[PMario]

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 11:16:29 AM UTC+2, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> I read the whole thing @pmario 
>
on the prerelease page you can see that data-tiddler-title is already in 
> the viewtemplate
>

..ok, .. I missed that one ;)

-m

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[tw5] Re: Preparing for v5.1.16

[BurningTreeC]

I read the whole thing @pmario 

on the prerelease page you can see that data-tiddler-title is already in 
the viewtemplate

 

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[tw5] Re: Preparing for v5.1.16

[PMario]

--- Off Topic warning -

TLDR;

So having all those discussions and implementations in place, I would 
suggest to add 1 more thing, to the view template, for ultimate 
flexibility, *without *increasing complexity. 

 - We have a "color" field to define tag-colors
 - We can have a "class" field that's added to a tiddler and the view 
tempate like this: 


\define frame-classes()
tc-tiddler-frame tc-tiddler-view-frame $(missingTiddlerClass)$ $(
shadowTiddlerClass)$ $(systemTiddlerClass)$ $(tiddlerTagClasses)$ $(
userClass)$
\end
\define folded-state()
$:/state/folded/$(currentTiddler)$
\end
<$vars storyTiddler=<> tiddlerInfoState=<> userClass={{!!class}}><$tiddler tiddler=<<
currentTiddler data-tags={{!!tags}} 
class=<>><$list filter=
"[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/ViewTemplate]!has[draft.of]]" variable=
"listItem"><$transclude tiddler=<>/>



I think, this will create the ultimate flexibility about tiddler body 
styling, in a performant and backwards compatible way. 




On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 9:38:19 PM UTC+2, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> The new *data-tiddler-title* isn't mentioned anywhere in the release 
> notes or the docs
>

That's not merged yet. IMO because we couldn't find a consensus, how it 
should be implemented. ... See link to the discussions later in the post.

And your "data-tiddler-x" or "data-tiddler-type" example shows, that we 
may need a more generic solution. ... keep on reading ;)



My initial pull-request had only 1 intention: To fix the 
"tc-tagged-Working%20with%20TiddlyWiki" problem. ... I think you can see 
the problem here. 

The CSS definition is a bit complicated for spaces. ... BUT imo it is 
completely broken for languages, that use the Cyrillic or other alphabets. 

eg: a tag like: сломанный
would be tc-tagged-%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9 

Creating and maintaining these type of CSS rules, imo is a completely 
broken user experience. My initial PR could nicely fix this issue. 

The whole PR consists of about 17 tiddlers, where *16 are documentation* 
about the new possibilities. 

*ONLY 1 line in the ViewTemplate had to be changed* to: 

<$set name="storyTiddler" value=<>><$set 
name="tiddlerInfoState" value=<>><$tiddler 
tiddler=<>>> 
data-tags={{!!tags}} class=<>><$list 
filter="[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/ViewTemplate]!has[draft.of]]" 
variable="listItem"><$transclude tiddler=<>/>



Discussions can be seen at my 1st 
 and 2nd PR 
 at GitHub. ... Be 
warned there are 2 "Walls of text"

Especially this post may be interesting: 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3038#issuecomment-349011301
It defines a way to dynamically define a stylesheet, based on any field. 
... The problem here is. It may have a negative performance impact. ... 
see: "may have" ... 


If you need special handling for a tiddler with a field: rank and the 
> value: species you can do this:
>
 

> title: myStyles
> tags: $:/tags/Stylesheet
>
 

> <$list filter="[rank[species]]"> 
> [data-title^="<$view field=title/>"] .tc-tiddler-body {
> column-count: 2;
> }
>  
>
> And you are good to go.
>

This is a very similar mechanism as you explained with "data-tiddler-type" 
___without___ the need to change the ViewTemplate and the exact same 
performance characteristic. ... 

Conclusion!

If you made it that far ... Go up and read the TLDR;

 OT END ---

Have fun!
mario

PS: I'll update my PR. Add data-tags and data-title attributes to the 
ViewTemplate #3038 
 
and the doc at: http://2737.tiddlyspot.com accordingly.
PPS: tiddlyspot contains the proposed ViewTemplate for further testing!


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Re: [tw5] Re: HammerWidgets - Actions on Swipe, Pan, Press, Tap and Pinch

[BurningTreeC]

>
> Hi Simon,
> very good that this seems to be possible...But I would like to see the 
> sidebar being dragged before snapping back or snapping away when lifting 
> the finger. 
> The whole thing ist not vitally necessary of course but it feels better in 
> the user experience...
>
> Regarding the div to drag/pan in the menu when it is turned off... I 
> thought about that, the problem is that it is either so small that you risk 
> accidentally triggering the jump-back-in-history-mechanism which is 
> implemented in most of the mobile browsers...or it is takink to much space.
> I would like to use the entire story-river to drag in the menu on a mobile 
> screen. On bigger screens I would take the left margin of the tiddler - as 
> you did for the slidebar
>
> Herzliche Grüße
> Jan
>
> Hi Jan , 

The problem here is not if it's possible or not, but that it's possible to 
do in so many different ways 
It's a combination of two/three plugins and some css calculations all 
working together 

The first thing one should understand here is, that the pan widget gives 
you the coordinates in pixels in the state tiddler (center-x field)
By transcluding that field in a stylesheet you can pan on an element and 
set the position of that element or another element to that new position

for example:

.tc-tiddler-frame {
position: absolute;
left: {{$:/state/pan!!center-x}}px;
}

now if you add the <$pan $targets="tc-tiddler-frame"> in the 
$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate before the >> then you 
should be able to move tiddlers left/right
If not, then it needs only some css adjustments 



What I want to say is, that it's important to first understand how these 
parts work together,
then it's an easy thing to realize your ideas

Simon

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Re: [tw5] Re: HammerWidgets - Actions on Swipe, Pan, Press, Tap and Pinch

[Jan Johannpeter]

 Hi Simon,
very good that this seems to be possible...But I would like to see the
sidebar being dragged before snapping back or snapping away when lifting
the finger.
The whole thing ist not vitally necessary of course but it feels better in
the user experience...

Regarding the div to drag/pan in the menu when it is turned off... I
thought about that, the problem is that it is either so small that you risk
accidentally triggering the jump-back-in-history-mechanism which is
implemented in most of the mobile browsers...or it is takink to much space.
I would like to use the entire story-river to drag in the menu on a mobile
screen. On bigger screens I would take the left margin of the tiddler - as
you did for the slidebar

Herzliche Grüße
Jan



2018-04-09 9:17 GMT+02:00 BurningTreeC :

> @Jan ... with my example, when the left bar is hidden, there's nothing to
> bring it back by panning
>
> It's better to create a div that's always there, like the slidebar, and
> assign the pan widget to that div
>
> when the left bar is off, it should be at the left screen border, when the
> bar is on, it should be where the bar ends
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Re: [tw5] Re: HammerWidgets - Actions on Swipe, Pan, Press, Tap and Pinch

[BurningTreeC]

@Jan ... with my example, when the left bar is hidden, there's nothing to 
bring it back by panning

It's better to create a div that's always there, like the slidebar, and 
assign the pan widget to that div

when the left bar is off, it should be at the left screen border, when the 
bar is on, it should be where the bar ends


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Re: [tw5] Re: Preparing for v5.1.16

[BurningTreeC]

>
> Hi Simon, Hi Jeremy,
> it would be great to be able to style tiddlers by type like 
> [data-tiddler-type="text/plain"] { background-color: #33; } 
> text/plain.
>
> Could you make this possible?
>
> Jan
>
>
> @Jan, you can accomplish that by editing the $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate:

after the data-tiddler-title=... add your data-tiddler-type=...

I think most of the tiddlers won't have any type assigned, that's why I 
would do it like this:

<$set name="dataTiddlerType" 
filter="[{!!type}regexp[^$]addprefix[text/vnd.tiddlywiki]]">> ... data-tiddler-type=<>>

... don't forget to close the <$set> after the closing  ... take care 
that you don't add new lines


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Re: [tw5] Re: HammerWidgets - Actions on Swipe, Pan, Press, Tap and Pinch

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>
> Hi Simon,
> I am absolutely amazed how much you accomplished ... and I am proud you 
> linked smarties.tiddlyspot.com as a reference. I would like to update 
> which plugins and tiddlers will be necessary for the sidebar after the 
> great update of TW.
>
> Looking at the great UX of the SlideBar, I would I would like to switch to 
> the pan widget for the left menu as well because it explains itself so much 
> better in the experience. 
>
> But I think I still would like to have a feature that could enhance the 
> widget for this:
>
> I would like to have a threshold for the endaction to have this effect:
>
> If I pan the menu it beginns to move out. If pan less then 100px it snaps 
> back, if I pan more than 100px it snaps out completely.
>
> Could you make this possible?
>
> -Jan
>
>>
>> Hi Jan, yes that's possible to accomplish

You can use the whole left bar as a pan element

then the endactions will look like this: 

<$vars snapLimit="100" pointerPosition={{pan-state-tiddler!!center-x}}>
<$vars positionBelowLimitCheck=<>, 
<>)">>>
<$list filter="[regexp[^TRUE$]]">
set left bar off

<$list filter="[!regexp[^TRUE$]]">
set left bar on




this will not move the left bar with the pointer, it will just jump from on 
to off and vice-versa


Is that what you want to accomplish?
 
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[tw5] Re: Display contents of tiddler as list

[Stephan Hradek]

You could also use my pick plugin  
and use this in your select:

<$select field="Topic:">
<$list filter="[[Topic List]pick:text[(?gm)^(.+)$]]">
<$view field='title'/>




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[tw5] Re: Display contents of tiddler as list

[Craig Chandler]

On Monday, 9 April 2018 15:49:16 UTC+9:30, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
> Yes if this is your Topic List:
>
> [[Topic 1]]
> [[Topic 2]]
> [[Topic 3]]
>
>
>
Ahh thanks, does that mean a plain text list can not be made to work? 

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[tw5] How to gracefully transclude tiddlers with titles?

[Luca Dorigo]

Maybe I'm not using the feature as intended but at the moment titles really 
mess up my tiddlers. 

For example, say I have a tiddler "Subtopic" containing the following 
wikitext:

Some intro text, blablablablabla, nothing important, 

! First Section
 
Some more explanation, blablablablablablabla

!! First Subsection

Some more explanation, blablablablablablabla

!! Second Subsection

Some more explanation, blablablablablablabla

If I transclude it in this other tiddler ("Maintopic"): 

Some intro text, blablablablabla, nothing important, 

! First Main Section

Some more explanation, blablablablablablabla

{{Subtopic}}

The transcluded tiddler will start with a `h1` title , which will screw up 
the flow of the "Maintopic" tiddler. How do you handle this? 

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[tw5] Re: Display contents of tiddler as list

[Stephan Hradek]

Yes if this is your Topic List:

[[Topic 1]]
[[Topic 2]]
[[Topic 3]]


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[tw5] Re: [TW5]] Regexp to find tiddlers with a title of max length

[Luca Dorigo]

(you probably know it, but if you want /any/ character and not only 
alphanymeric ones, it should be /^.{1,4}$/ :-) )

Le samedi 7 avril 2018 19:15:22 UTC+2, Matthew Petty a écrit :
>
> I had missed out the ^, so that fixed it, thank you!
>
> To explain what I'm doing, just in case you're interested, I have a table 
> of missing tiddlers, with a set of checkboxes for common tags. This filter 
> will find the short ones that might be more likely to be tagged 
> "abbreviation".
>
> (of course, is it valuable to create empty tiddlers just to have fewer 
> missing tiddlers? debatable)
>
> On Thursday, 5 April 2018 18:07:34 UTC+4, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>>
>> I do not completely understan your question.
>>
>> But this is an explanation for regexp:
>>
>>
>>- [\w{1,4}$]
>>
>>
>>-   This would match almost ANY title, because you say: Find 1-4 
>>   characters at the end of the title.
>>
>>
>>- [^\w{1,4}$]
>>   - This would match titles having 1-4 characters
>>   
>>
>>

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[tw5] Display contents of tiddler as list

[Craig Chandler]

Hi, is it possible to display contents of a tiddler as a list, specifically 
for use in a selection list

ie. have a tiddler "Topic List"

Topic 1
Topic 2
Topic 3

Then in another tiddler be able to Select a topic with something like

<$select field="Topic:">
<$list filter={{Topic List}}>
<$view field='title'/>



(above code completely made up)

Cheers

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