[twitter-dev] about spidering

[Nerrutis Morkunas]

hi, i wrote simple posts, with few special characters, bur google
didn`t spidered any of them. But google didnt spidered them, i cant
find them on that search engine. So what is the reason to use Twitter,
if google doesnt spider?

[twitter-dev] JSON status response gives me negative ID

[AlexanderZn]

Hi all!

I'm writing a twitter-widgets that is based on data formated as JSON.
I get the data from
http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline.json?screen_name=username

Locally this works like a charm, but when i upload the script to my
webserver i get negative ids.

[id] => -1766397267
instead of,
[id] => 2528570029

I get the data with file_get_contents() and turn it into an array with
json_decode($jsondata,true) with php..

Does anybody have a clue why it is like this?

/ Alex

[twitter-dev] Re: stopping bit.ly automatic shortening of urls

[Swaroop]

"However, if you paste in a link that is less than 30 characters,
we'll post it in its entirety.  If it's longer than 30 characters,
we'll convert it to a shorter URL."

Source: http://help.twitter.com/portal

[twitter-dev] tweeting more than 140 words

[twittwit]

hi all,

i notice that hashgoogle http://twitter.com/hashgoogle is tweeting
more than 140words. and it is using api.

anybody know which api methods allow that? or is that a whitelisting
thing?

thanks!


cheers
bryan

[twitter-dev] Re: tweeting more than 140 words

[twittwit]

example is http://twitter.com/hashgoogle/status/2531249931

On Jul 8, 11:01 am, twittwit  wrote:
> hi all,
>
> i notice that hashgooglehttp://twitter.com/hashgoogleis tweeting
> more than 140words. and it is using api.
>
> anybody know which api methods allow that? or is that a whitelisting
> thing?
>
> thanks!
>
> cheers
> bryan

[twitter-dev] Re: JSON status response gives me negative ID

[Stuart]

2009/7/8 AlexanderZn :
>
> Hi all!
>
> I'm writing a twitter-widgets that is based on data formated as JSON.
> I get the data from
> http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline.json?screen_name=username
>
> Locally this works like a charm, but when i upload the script to my
> webserver i get negative ids.
>
>            [id] => -1766397267
> instead of,
>            [id] => 2528570029
>
> I get the data with file_get_contents() and turn it into an array with
> json_decode($jsondata,true) with php..
>
> Does anybody have a clue why it is like this?

You're running on 32-bits and json_decode treats numbers it gets as
numbers, so when converted to a signed 32-bit int it becomes negative.

The easiest solution is to use the pear package Services_JSON instead
of json_decode and ensure your code never treats the ID as a number.
The better solution is to move to 64-bit but obviously that may
involve changing hardware so might not be feasible for you.

-Stuart

-- 
http://stut.net/projects/twitter/

[twitter-dev] Re: about spidering

[Cameron Kaiser]

> hi, i wrote simple posts, with few special characters, bur google
> didn`t spidered any of them. But google didnt spidered them, i cant
> find them on that search engine. So what is the reason to use Twitter,
> if google doesnt spider?

Obviously not SEO. *ahem*

-- 
 personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
  Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com
-- "I'd love to go out with you, but I need to clean my toilet brush." 

[twitter-dev] Re: tweeting more than 140 words

[Nick Arnett]

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:19 AM, twittwit  wrote:

>
> example is http://twitter.com/hashgoogle/status/2531249931
>
>
Huh... that one is 150 characters, which means it won't fit in a
140-character database column.  Strange.

Nick

[twitter-dev] Re: tweeting more than 140 words

[Matt Sanford]

In the vien of "There's an app for that" …

There's a ticket for that: 
http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/detail?id=807

— Matt

On Jul 8, 2009, at 6:57 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:




On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:19 AM, twittwit  wrote:

example is http://twitter.com/hashgoogle/status/2531249931


Huh... that one is 150 characters, which means it won't fit in a 140- 
character database column.  Strange.


Nick

[twitter-dev] Re: Whitelist Limits

[John Kalucki]

You should consider using the Streaming API in conjunction with the
REST API to build such a service, it might make things a little
easier. Currently there are several obstacles for a large-scale
integration with a service that intends to duplicate a desktop
application's functionality. The REST API, in part due to rate
limiting, and in part due to the nature of polling, doesn't make this
particularly easy at small scale, and makes it impractical at large-
scale.

As luck would have it, we've been very casually discussing just this
sort of integration. Feel free to mail me your requirements and I'll
get them to the Platform product manager.

-John Kalucki
twitter.com/jkalucki
Services, Twitter Inc.


On Jul 7, 8:57 pm, whoiskb  wrote:
> From what I can tell, the white list limits are 20,000 calls per
> hour.  I am curious if any app out there has come close to hitting
> that limit yet, and if so could you provide some usage details about
> your application?
>
> I am trying to make a decision about creating a single user desktop
> app vs a multi user web app.  I really want to create it as a web app,
> but I am concerned about the long term viability of the white list
> limit.

[twitter-dev] Re: Spamming via addition of trending words to tweets

[Jeffrey Greenberg]

I'm liking Andrew's thoughts regarding sensitivity to what spam is,
and am thinking about the gmail like vote-if-spam approach.

Wondering if the api community (or really twitterers) would use an api
such as this:  smellsLikeSpam( list_of_tweet_ids )...  Twitter could
aggregate and apply policy to resulting votes.

If you're doing a twitter interface app, then you've got to provide
this unpleasant activity to users which they currentl don't have to do
now.  But gmail is an argument in favor of it working well and not
being too onerous on users in the aggregate.

I think the problem in general is more dire for search-based
functionality than for general tweeting, since search picks up not
only (somewhat) older tweets but new ones and potentially in very
large quantities.  So if I pick up a tweets yesterday and today it
becomes spam, I'll want to know about that and be ale to toss the
tweet (god what phrase), which has implications for apps such as mine
and for twitter too...

.

[twitter-dev] Re: Help with twitter profile.

[Slicey]

Can anyone help?

On Jul 7, 6:25 pm, Slicey  wrote:
> Basically I am trying to make a site where a user come to the site,
> types in their username, song title, artist title, and uploads a song,
> this then gets stored in a database along with a random generated
> code.
> What I am trying to do is make a twitter clone page of the users
> profile. eg. if a user has the username blahblah and the random code
> in the database is 3hr8e I want it so when I go 
> towww.mysite.com/twitter.php?pwd=3hr8e
> This is what I have tried however I can't get anything to show up. Is
> there something I'm doing wrong?
>
>  require ("connect.php");
> require ("functions.php");
> include("template/twitterheader.php");
> // require the twitter library
> require "twitter.lib.php";
>
> $pwd = mysql_real_escape_string($_GET['pwd']);
>         $result = mysql_query("SELECT * FROM songs WHERE pwd='$pwd'");
>         $screen = mysql_fetch_array($result);
>         $username = $screen['username'];
>
> // initialize the twitter class
> $twitter = new Twitter($username);
>
> // fetch your profile in xml format
>
> $xml = $twitter->getUserTimeline();
>
> /* display the raw xml
> echo '';
> echo $xml;
> echo '';*/
>
> $twitter_status = new SimpleXMLElement($xml);
> foreach($twitter_status->status as $status){
>         echo '';
>         foreach($status->user as $user){
>
>         }
>         echo $status->text;
>         echo $user->followers_count;
>         echo '';
>         echo 'Posted at: '.
> $status->created_at.'';
>         echo '';
>
> }
>
> include("template/twitterfooter.php");
> ?>
>
> Function:
>
>         function getUserTimeline($options = array(), $format = 'xml') {
>                 return $this->apiCall('statuses/user_timeline', 'get', 
> $format,
> $options, true);
>         }

[twitter-dev] Re: Help with twitter profile.

[Peter Denton]

I think the absence of responses might be that there are many variables in
your code and "I cant get anything to show up" could mean anything,
including things in your include files, etc
Being much more specific about output makes it easy for the brains to help.


On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Slicey  wrote:

>
> Can anyone help?
>
> On Jul 7, 6:25 pm, Slicey  wrote:
> > Basically I am trying to make a site where a user come to the site,
> > types in their username, song title, artist title, and uploads a song,
> > this then gets stored in a database along with a random generated
> > code.
> > What I am trying to do is make a twitter clone page of the users
> > profile. eg. if a user has the username blahblah and the random code
> > in the database is 3hr8e I want it so when I go
> towww.mysite.com/twitter.php?pwd=3hr8e
> > This is what I have tried however I can't get anything to show up. Is
> > there something I'm doing wrong?
> >
> >  > require ("connect.php");
> > require ("functions.php");
> > include("template/twitterheader.php");
> > // require the twitter library
> > require "twitter.lib.php";
> >
> > $pwd = mysql_real_escape_string($_GET['pwd']);
> > $result = mysql_query("SELECT * FROM songs WHERE pwd='$pwd'");
> > $screen = mysql_fetch_array($result);
> > $username = $screen['username'];
> >
> > // initialize the twitter class
> > $twitter = new Twitter($username);
> >
> > // fetch your profile in xml format
> >
> > $xml = $twitter->getUserTimeline();
> >
> > /* display the raw xml
> > echo '';
> > echo $xml;
> > echo '';*/
> >
> > $twitter_status = new SimpleXMLElement($xml);
> > foreach($twitter_status->status as $status){
> > echo '';
> > foreach($status->user as $user){
> >
> > }
> > echo $status->text;
> > echo $user->followers_count;
> > echo '';
> > echo 'Posted at:
> '.
> > $status->created_at.'';
> > echo '';
> >
> > }
> >
> > include("template/twitterfooter.php");
> > ?>
> >
> > Function:
> >
> > function getUserTimeline($options = array(), $format = 'xml') {
> > return $this->apiCall('statuses/user_timeline', 'get',
> $format,
> > $options, true);
> > }
>



-- 
Peter M. Denton
www.twibs.com
i...@twibs.com

Twibs makes Top 20 apps on Twitter - http://tinyurl.com/bopu6c

[twitter-dev] Re: Spamming via addition of trending words to tweets

[Duane Roelands]

I didn't even know that there was a way to report tweet spam to
Twitter.  I'll definitely add a "Report Spam" feature to my
application.

On Jul 8, 11:28 am, Jeffrey Greenberg 
wrote:
> I'm liking Andrew's thoughts regarding sensitivity to what spam is,
> and am thinking about the gmail like vote-if-spam approach.
>
> Wondering if the api community (or really twitterers) would use an api
> such as this:  smellsLikeSpam( list_of_tweet_ids )...  Twitter could
> aggregate and apply policy to resulting votes.
>
> If you're doing a twitter interface app, then you've got to provide
> this unpleasant activity to users which they currentl don't have to do
> now.  But gmail is an argument in favor of it working well and not
> being too onerous on users in the aggregate.
>
> I think the problem in general is more dire for search-based
> functionality than for general tweeting, since search picks up not
> only (somewhat) older tweets but new ones and potentially in very
> large quantities.  So if I pick up a tweets yesterday and today it
> becomes spam, I'll want to know about that and be ale to toss the
> tweet (god what phrase), which has implications for apps such as mine
> and for twitter too...
>
> .

[twitter-dev] Re: Help with twitter profile.

[Slicey]

Can anyone help?

On Jul 7, 6:25 pm, Slicey  wrote:
> Basically I am trying to make a site where a user come to the site,
> types in their username, song title, artist title, and uploads a song,
> this then gets stored in a database along with a random generated
> code.
> What I am trying to do is make a twitter clone page of the users
> profile. eg. if a user has the username blahblah and the random code
> in the database is 3hr8e I want it so when I go 
> towww.mysite.com/twitter.php?pwd=3hr8e
> This is what I have tried however I can't get anything to show up. Is
> there something I'm doing wrong?
>
>  require ("connect.php");
> require ("functions.php");
> include("template/twitterheader.php");
> // require the twitter library
> require "twitter.lib.php";
>
> $pwd = mysql_real_escape_string($_GET['pwd']);
>         $result = mysql_query("SELECT * FROM songs WHERE pwd='$pwd'");
>         $screen = mysql_fetch_array($result);
>         $username = $screen['username'];
>
> // initialize the twitter class
> $twitter = new Twitter($username);
>
> // fetch your profile in xml format
>
> $xml = $twitter->getUserTimeline();
>
> /* display the raw xml
> echo '';
> echo $xml;
> echo '';*/
>
> $twitter_status = new SimpleXMLElement($xml);
> foreach($twitter_status->status as $status){
>         echo '';
>         foreach($status->user as $user){
>
>         }
>         echo $status->text;
>         echo $user->followers_count;
>         echo '';
>         echo 'Posted at: '.
> $status->created_at.'';
>         echo '';
>
> }
>
> include("template/twitterfooter.php");
> ?>
>
> Function:
>
>         function getUserTimeline($options = array(), $format = 'xml') {
>                 return $this->apiCall('statuses/user_timeline', 'get', 
> $format,
> $options, true);
>         }

[twitter-dev] Re: Help with twitter profile.

[Duane Roelands]

Well, it doesn't look like you ever give the user's password to the
Twitter object.  It's probably failing on authentication.

On Jul 8, 12:02 pm, Slicey  wrote:
> Can anyone help?
>
> On Jul 7, 6:25 pm, Slicey  wrote:
>
> > Basically I am trying to make a site where a user come to the site,
> > types in their username, song title, artist title, and uploads a song,
> > this then gets stored in a database along with a random generated
> > code.
> > What I am trying to do is make a twitter clone page of the users
> > profile. eg. if a user has the username blahblah and the random code
> > in the database is 3hr8e I want it so when I go 
> > towww.mysite.com/twitter.php?pwd=3hr8e
> > This is what I have tried however I can't get anything to show up. Is
> > there something I'm doing wrong?
>
> >  > require ("connect.php");
> > require ("functions.php");
> > include("template/twitterheader.php");
> > // require the twitter library
> > require "twitter.lib.php";
>
> > $pwd = mysql_real_escape_string($_GET['pwd']);
> > $result = mysql_query("SELECT * FROM songs WHERE pwd='$pwd'");
> > $screen = mysql_fetch_array($result);
> > $username = $screen['username'];
>
> > // initialize the twitter class
> > $twitter = new Twitter($username);
>
> > // fetch your profile in xml format
>
> > $xml = $twitter->getUserTimeline();
>
> > /* display the raw xml
> > echo '';
> > echo $xml;
> > echo '';*/
>
> > $twitter_status = new SimpleXMLElement($xml);
> > foreach($twitter_status->status as $status){
> > echo '';
> > foreach($status->user as $user){
>
> > }
> > echo $status->text;
> > echo $user->followers_count;
> > echo '';
> > echo 'Posted at: '.
> > $status->created_at.'';
> > echo '';
>
> > }
>
> > include("template/twitterfooter.php");
> > ?>
>
> > Function:
>
> > function getUserTimeline($options = array(), $format = 'xml') {
> > return $this->apiCall('statuses/user_timeline', 'get', 
> > $format,
> > $options, true);
> > }

[twitter-dev] Re: Spamming via addition of trending words to tweets

[Blaine Garrett]

Outside of trends, another area where this could be handy is when
using Twitter as a sort of OpenId style authentication method. i.e.
"Sign in with your twitter account".

Our service we have a lot of tools and algorithms in place to
eradicate spam. A few months ago, we offered twitter authentication as
an alternate means to create an account on our site (in addition to
Facebook, OpenId, and regular password signup). As such a small subset
of our users are also Twitter users and early adopters of the
alternate login seemed to be spammers based on our algorithms. I
assume if they are a spammer on our service they are likely a spammer
on Twitter... and vice versa. A smellLikeSpam(user_id) api call to
inform Twitter and a sort of X-Spam style header in the user
information details would be great. Reciprocating this information
might be valuable in nipping spam at the bud.

IPs and URL tie ins with other Blacklists would be great as well, but
might be overkill at first.

Blaine




On Jul 8, 10:28 am, Jeffrey Greenberg 
wrote:
> I'm liking Andrew's thoughts regarding sensitivity to what spam is,
> and am thinking about the gmail like vote-if-spam approach.
>
> Wondering if the api community (or really twitterers) would use an api
> such as this:  smellsLikeSpam( list_of_tweet_ids )...  Twitter could
> aggregate and apply policy to resulting votes.
>
> If you're doing a twitter interface app, then you've got to provide
> this unpleasant activity to users which they currentl don't have to do
> now.  But gmail is an argument in favor of it working well and not
> being too onerous on users in the aggregate.
>
> I think the problem in general is more dire for search-based
> functionality than for general tweeting, since search picks up not
> only (somewhat) older tweets but new ones and potentially in very
> large quantities.  So if I pick up a tweets yesterday and today it
> becomes spam, I'll want to know about that and be ale to toss the
> tweet (god what phrase), which has implications for apps such as mine
> and for twitter too...
>
> .

[twitter-dev] Re: stopping bit.ly automatic shortening of urls

[sull]

this is a topic of interest to me for a long while.
been meaning to start a thread.

i'm often bothered by the automatic shortening of urls when in fact
the url does not need to be shortened.  in these cases, i of course do
not want to hide the real url by using a forced 3rd party service like
bit.ly.
i have use cases where all that is posted is a url.  and the url
includes a long detailed description of the link.  this, in my
opinion, is smart as the only object to maintain is the url itself
which provides a hyperlink and a short message combined.  sometimes,
these use cases are using natural language vanity urls to form short
sentences.

ie. 
http://john.tot.al.ly/wiped-out-on-this-huge-wave-in-hawaii-at-the-Surf-Hawaii-Surf-School-on-the-island-of-Oahu

the other annoying thing that is related to the twitter UI is how long
urls are cut-off//trimmed even if they dont need to be.  the above
example would be destroyed because it would result in something
like:

http://john.tot.al.ly/wip

actually, i'm not certain if that is still the case as it seems to me
that every url is shortened with bit.ly now.  i grok the value in
tracking urls and bit.ly may be bought by twitter at some point and
this notion of url tracking will be fully integrated but the
debate about url shortners in general how they can break the
natural web, are vulnerable to massive broken links and simply thr
cryptic format itself that hides the true location are all to be
considered and continued to be debated.

at the very least, 3rd party developers should get an override
toggle.
that is something i think we all need to start demanding.

and yes, an official doc explaining the current and future
impementations of url shortening on twitter is definitely needed now.

http://plea.se/twitter-dont-shorten-this-url-with-bitly-since-it-does-not-need-to-be-shortened-with-8-available-characters-remaining

http://twitter.com/sull/status/2534470050

@sull

On Jul 8, 4:50 am, Swaroop  wrote:
> "However, if you paste in a link that is less than 30 characters,
> we'll post it in its entirety.  If it's longer than 30 characters,
> we'll convert it to a shorter URL."
>
> Source:http://help.twitter.com/portal

[twitter-dev] Re: Help with twitter profile.

[Slicey]

Can anyone help?

On Jul 7, 6:25 pm, Slicey  wrote:
> Basically I am trying to make a site where a user come to the site,
> types in their username, song title, artist title, and uploads a song,
> this then gets stored in a database along with a random generated
> code.
> What I am trying to do is make a twitter clone page of the users
> profile. eg. if a user has the username blahblah and the random code
> in the database is 3hr8e I want it so when I go 
> towww.mysite.com/twitter.php?pwd=3hr8e
> This is what I have tried however I can't get anything to show up. Is
> there something I'm doing wrong?
>
>  require ("connect.php");
> require ("functions.php");
> include("template/twitterheader.php");
> // require the twitter library
> require "twitter.lib.php";
>
> $pwd = mysql_real_escape_string($_GET['pwd']);
>         $result = mysql_query("SELECT * FROM songs WHERE pwd='$pwd'");
>         $screen = mysql_fetch_array($result);
>         $username = $screen['username'];
>
> // initialize the twitter class
> $twitter = new Twitter($username);
>
> // fetch your profile in xml format
>
> $xml = $twitter->getUserTimeline();
>
> /* display the raw xml
> echo '';
> echo $xml;
> echo '';*/
>
> $twitter_status = new SimpleXMLElement($xml);
> foreach($twitter_status->status as $status){
>         echo '';
>         foreach($status->user as $user){
>
>         }
>         echo $status->text;
>         echo $user->followers_count;
>         echo '';
>         echo 'Posted at: '.
> $status->created_at.'';
>         echo '';
>
> }
>
> include("template/twitterfooter.php");
> ?>
>
> Function:
>
>         function getUserTimeline($options = array(), $format = 'xml') {
>                 return $this->apiCall('statuses/user_timeline', 'get', 
> $format,
> $options, true);
>         }

[twitter-dev] Re: JSON status response gives me negative ID

[AlexanderZn]

On Jul 8, 2:26 pm, Stuart  wrote:
> 2009/7/8 AlexanderZn :
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi all!
>
> > I'm writing a twitter-widgets that is based on data formated as JSON.
> > I get the data from
> >http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline.json?screen_name=username
>
> > Locally this works like a charm, but when i upload the script to my
> > webserver i get negative ids.
>
> >            [id] => -1766397267
> > instead of,
> >            [id] => 2528570029
>
> > I get the data with file_get_contents() and turn it into an array with
> > json_decode($jsondata,true) with php..
>
> > Does anybody have a clue why it is like this?
>
> You're running on 32-bits and json_decode treats numbers it gets as
> numbers, so when converted to a signed 32-bit int it becomes negative.
>
> The easiest solution is to use the pear package Services_JSON instead
> of json_decode and ensure your code never treats the ID as a number.
> The better solution is to move to 64-bit but obviously that may
> involve changing hardware so might not be feasible for you.
>
> -Stuart
>
> --http://stut.net/projects/twitter/

Thanks!

Solved my problem. Since im planning on releasing my widget to the
public i would like it to work on most of the systems..
My solution was easy.
I just added a preg_replace and converted the int to a string:

preg_replace('#"id"\:([0-9]+)#i','"id":"$1"',file_get_contents($url))

Thanks for the pointer!

/ Alex

[twitter-dev] Re: stopping bit.ly automatic shortening of urls

[sull]

ironically, my example urls are shortened here ;)

On Jul 8, 12:20 pm, sull  wrote:
> this is a topic of interest to me for a long while.
> been meaning to start a thread.
>
> i'm often bothered by the automatic shortening of urls when in fact
> the url does not need to be shortened.  in these cases, i of course do
> not want to hide the real url by using a forced 3rd party service like
> bit.ly.
> i have use cases where all that is posted is a url.  and the url
> includes a long detailed description of the link.  this, in my
> opinion, is smart as the only object to maintain is the url itself
> which provides a hyperlink and a short message combined.  sometimes,
> these use cases are using natural language vanity urls to form short
> sentences.
>
> ie.http://john.tot.al.ly/wiped-out-on-this-huge-wave-in-hawaii-at-the-Su...
>
> the other annoying thing that is related to the twitter UI is how long
> urls are cut-off//trimmed even if they dont need to be.  the above
> example would be destroyed because it would result in something
> like:
>
> http://john.tot.al.ly/wip
>
> actually, i'm not certain if that is still the case as it seems to me
> that every url is shortened with bit.ly now.  i grok the value in
> tracking urls and bit.ly may be bought by twitter at some point and
> this notion of url tracking will be fully integrated but the
> debate about url shortners in general how they can break the
> natural web, are vulnerable to massive broken links and simply thr
> cryptic format itself that hides the true location are all to be
> considered and continued to be debated.
>
> at the very least, 3rd party developers should get an override
> toggle.
> that is something i think we all need to start demanding.
>
> and yes, an official doc explaining the current and future
> impementations of url shortening on twitter is definitely needed now.
>
> http://plea.se/twitter-dont-shorten-this-url-with-bitly-since-it-does...
>
> http://twitter.com/sull/status/2534470050
>
> @sull
>
> On Jul 8, 4:50 am, Swaroop  wrote:
>
> > "However, if you paste in a link that is less than 30 characters,
> > we'll post it in its entirety.  If it's longer than 30 characters,
> > we'll convert it to a shorter URL."
>
> > Source:http://help.twitter.com/portal

[twitter-dev] updating follow/shadow/birddog list of users

[braver]

Uf you have thousands of users, do you really have to cook up a
following file with comma-separated say 100,000 user IDs?  Should it
all be on one line?  Now what happens if we want to drop some and add
some IDs -- do we have to restart and re-upload all that list again?
I see when the curl -d @following ... starts up, it does that.
Restarting with huge lists sounds like data loss...

Cheers,
Alexy

[twitter-dev] Re: Trying very hard to use OAuth - need help!

[Doug Williams]

Abraham Williams has a great PHP sample here that is simple and easy to use:
http://twitter.abrah.am/

Thanks,
Doug



On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Echieo  wrote:

>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I'd really like to use OAuth for my new twitter application, as I know
> Twitter is trying to move in that direction, but I can't for the life
> of me figure out how. I've been over the wiki documentation and I
> understand the theory but have no idea how to implement it. I see
> there are several libraries out there but they are all very complex.
>
> Can someone give me a simple PHP example what to do with my consumer
> key and consumer secret? I can't find a clear explanation of oauth
> syntax anywhere. How do I actually send the request?
>
> Attempting to be compliant,
> Echieo
>

[twitter-dev] Trying very hard to use OAuth - need help!

[Echieo]

Hey everyone,

I'd really like to use OAuth for my new twitter application, as I know
Twitter is trying to move in that direction, but I can't for the life
of me figure out how. I've been over the wiki documentation and I
understand the theory but have no idea how to implement it. I see
there are several libraries out there but they are all very complex.

Can someone give me a simple PHP example what to do with my consumer
key and consumer secret? I can't find a clear explanation of oauth
syntax anywhere. How do I actually send the request?

Attempting to be compliant,
Echieo

[twitter-dev] Re: Trying very hard to use OAuth - need help!

[Echieo]

I've been over his example but it doesn't explain how to use oauth,
only how to use his library. I'm having trouble figuring out what to
send via curl to twitter to create my own. I could always use his
library but I'd like to create one myself. I've been trying to
deconstruct all of the objects he builds to set up his curl string but
no luck yet.

On Jul 8, 3:34 pm, Doug Williams  wrote:
> Abraham Williams has a great PHP sample here that is simple and easy to 
> use:http://twitter.abrah.am/
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Echieo  wrote:
>
> > Hey everyone,
>
> > I'd really like to use OAuth for my new twitter application, as I know
> > Twitter is trying to move in that direction, but I can't for the life
> > of me figure out how. I've been over the wiki documentation and I
> > understand the theory but have no idea how to implement it. I see
> > there are several libraries out there but they are all very complex.
>
> > Can someone give me a simple PHP example what to do with my consumer
> > key and consumer secret? I can't find a clear explanation of oauth
> > syntax anywhere. How do I actually send the request?
>
> > Attempting to be compliant,
> > Echieo

[twitter-dev] Re: Trying very hard to use OAuth - need help!

[Abraham Williams]

I would advise reading: http://oauth.net/documentation/getting-started

And looking over the OAuth PHP lib:
http://code.google.com/p/oauth/source/browse/#svn/code/php

Abraham

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 14:56, Echieo  wrote:

>
> I've been over his example but it doesn't explain how to use oauth,
> only how to use his library. I'm having trouble figuring out what to
> send via curl to twitter to create my own. I could always use his
> library but I'd like to create one myself. I've been trying to
> deconstruct all of the objects he builds to set up his curl string but
> no luck yet.
>
> On Jul 8, 3:34 pm, Doug Williams  wrote:
> > Abraham Williams has a great PHP sample here that is simple and easy to
> use:http://twitter.abrah.am/
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Doug
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Echieo  wrote:
> >
> > > Hey everyone,
> >
> > > I'd really like to use OAuth for my new twitter application, as I know
> > > Twitter is trying to move in that direction, but I can't for the life
> > > of me figure out how. I've been over the wiki documentation and I
> > > understand the theory but have no idea how to implement it. I see
> > > there are several libraries out there but they are all very complex.
> >
> > > Can someone give me a simple PHP example what to do with my consumer
> > > key and consumer secret? I can't find a clear explanation of oauth
> > > syntax anywhere. How do I actually send the request?
> >
> > > Attempting to be compliant,
> > > Echieo
>



-- 
Abraham Williams | Community Evangelist | http://web608.org
Hacker | http://abrah.am | http://twitter.com/abraham
Project | http://fireeagle.labs.poseurtech.com
This email is: [ ] blogable [x] ask first [ ] private.

[twitter-dev] Illegal byte sequence 0x00 in UTF8

[braver]

I'm loading twits into PostgreSQL, and get a few hundreds of errors
for illegal sequence 0x00 in UTF8, e.g. (each leading . is 10,000
gardenhose twits):

.org.postgresql.util.PSQLException: ERROR: invalid byte sequence for
encoding "UTF8": 0x00 [loving the weather here in sunny birmingham uk
at the moment but its hard to sleep in when imfeeling lazy lol]
com.tfitter.db.DBError: CANNOT PUT TWIT 2283513311
ROLLBACK uid=21490127 tid=2283513311
org.postgresql.util.PSQLException: ERROR: invalid byte sequence
for encoding "UTF8": 0x00 F?9H^f'??%???p?{^]
com.tfitter.db.DBError: CANNOT PUT TWIT 2283842814
ROLLBACK uid=30029372 tid=2283842814
...org.postgresql.util.PSQLException: ERROR: invalid byte sequence for
encoding "UTF8": 0x00 [...@andycrofford 　まだ脱ぐな。そろそろこのこと考えるのは最後にされると、5エ譛ォ遶ッ
縺ョ譁ケ縺ッ蜃コ鬘後＆繧後腟蕭⒢㎢⒢⒢]

Anybody knows how to get rid of those 0x00s cleanly in Scala/Java?
Cheers,
Alexy

[twitter-dev] Re: Trying very hard to use OAuth - need help!

[Petermdenton]

Hey Echieo
You can ping me off the list and I can help you get something working.

On Jul 8, 2009, at 12:56 PM, Echieo  wrote:



I've been over his example but it doesn't explain how to use oauth,
only how to use his library. I'm having trouble figuring out what to
send via curl to twitter to create my own. I could always use his
library but I'd like to create one myself. I've been trying to
deconstruct all of the objects he builds to set up his curl string but
no luck yet.

On Jul 8, 3:34 pm, Doug Williams  wrote:
Abraham Williams has a great PHP sample here that is simple and  
easy to use:http://twitter.abrah.am/


Thanks,
Doug



On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Echieo  wrote:


Hey everyone,


I'd really like to use OAuth for my new twitter application, as I  
know
Twitter is trying to move in that direction, but I can't for the  
life

of me figure out how. I've been over the wiki documentation and I
understand the theory but have no idea how to implement it. I see
there are several libraries out there but they are all very complex.



Can someone give me a simple PHP example what to do with my consumer
key and consumer secret? I can't find a clear explanation of oauth
syntax anywhere. How do I actually send the request?



Attempting to be compliant,
Echieo

[twitter-dev] Re: stopping bit.ly automatic shortening of urls

[whoiskb]

I am curious if there has ever been an official response from twitter
on why some simple HTML has not been allowed in a tweet?  If we were
able to use an anchor tag, and the HTML did not count against the 140
character limit, then the need for a URL shortener service would not
be needed.


On Jul 8, 10:27 am, sull  wrote:
> ironically, my example urls are shortened here ;)
>
> On Jul 8, 12:20 pm, sull  wrote:
>
>
>
> > this is a topic of interest to me for a long while.
> > been meaning to start a thread.
>
> > i'm often bothered by the automatic shortening of urls when in fact
> > the url does not need to be shortened.  in these cases, i of course do
> > not want to hide the real url by using a forced 3rd party service like
> > bit.ly.
> > i have use cases where all that is posted is a url.  and the url
> > includes a long detailed description of the link.  this, in my
> > opinion, is smart as the only object to maintain is the url itself
> > which provides a hyperlink and a short message combined.  sometimes,
> > these use cases are using natural language vanity urls to form short
> > sentences.
>
> > ie.http://john.tot.al.ly/wiped-out-on-this-huge-wave-in-hawaii-at-the-Su...
>
> > the other annoying thing that is related to the twitter UI is how long
> > urls are cut-off//trimmed even if they dont need to be.  the above
> > example would be destroyed because it would result in something
> > like:
>
> >http://john.tot.al.ly/wip
>
> > actually, i'm not certain if that is still the case as it seems to me
> > that every url is shortened with bit.ly now.  i grok the value in
> > tracking urls and bit.ly may be bought by twitter at some point and
> > this notion of url tracking will be fully integrated but the
> > debate about url shortners in general how they can break the
> > natural web, are vulnerable to massive broken links and simply thr
> > cryptic format itself that hides the true location are all to be
> > considered and continued to be debated.
>
> > at the very least, 3rd party developers should get an override
> > toggle.
> > that is something i think we all need to start demanding.
>
> > and yes, an official doc explaining the current and future
> > impementations of url shortening on twitter is definitely needed now.
>
> >http://plea.se/twitter-dont-shorten-this-url-with-bitly-since-it-does...
>
> >http://twitter.com/sull/status/2534470050
>
> > @sull
>
> > On Jul 8, 4:50 am, Swaroop  wrote:
>
> > > "However, if you paste in a link that is less than 30 characters,
> > > we'll post it in its entirety.  If it's longer than 30 characters,
> > > we'll convert it to a shorter URL."
>
> > > Source:http://help.twitter.com/portal

[twitter-dev] Re: stopping bit.ly automatic shortening of urls

[Joel Strellner]

It goes back to the root of twitter originally being a SMS  
application. I recall hearing or reading someone on the Twitter team  
saying that.


-Joel

On Jul 8, 2009, at 1:31 PM, whoiskb  wrote:



I am curious if there has ever been an official response from twitter
on why some simple HTML has not been allowed in a tweet?  If we were
able to use an anchor tag, and the HTML did not count against the 140
character limit, then the need for a URL shortener service would not
be needed.


On Jul 8, 10:27 am, sull  wrote:

ironically, my example urls are shortened here ;)

On Jul 8, 12:20 pm, sull  wrote:




this is a topic of interest to me for a long while.
been meaning to start a thread.



i'm often bothered by the automatic shortening of urls when in fact
the url does not need to be shortened.  in these cases, i of  
course do
not want to hide the real url by using a forced 3rd party service  
like

bit.ly.
i have use cases where all that is posted is a url.  and the url
includes a long detailed description of the link.  this, in my
opinion, is smart as the only object to maintain is the url itself
which provides a hyperlink and a short message combined.  sometimes,
these use cases are using natural language vanity urls to form short
sentences.


ie.http://john.tot.al.ly/wiped-out-on-this-huge-wave-in-hawaii-at- 
the-Su...


the other annoying thing that is related to the twitter UI is how  
long

urls are cut-off//trimmed even if they dont need to be.  the above
example would be destroyed because it would result in something
like:



http://john.tot.al.ly/wip


actually, i'm not certain if that is still the case as it seems to  
me

that every url is shortened with bit.ly now.  i grok the value in
tracking urls and bit.ly may be bought by twitter at some point and
this notion of url tracking will be fully integrated but the
debate about url shortners in general how they can break the
natural web, are vulnerable to massive broken links and simply thr
cryptic format itself that hides the true location are all to be
considered and continued to be debated.



at the very least, 3rd party developers should get an override
toggle.
that is something i think we all need to start demanding.



and yes, an official doc explaining the current and future
impementations of url shortening on twitter is definitely needed  
now.


http://plea.se/twitter-dont-shorten-this-url-with-bitly-since-it-does 
...



http://twitter.com/sull/status/2534470050



@sull



On Jul 8, 4:50 am, Swaroop  wrote:



"However, if you paste in a link that is less than 30 characters,
we'll post it in its entirety.  If it's longer than 30 characters,
we'll convert it to a shorter URL."



Source:http://help.twitter.com/portal

[twitter-dev] Re: updating follow/shadow/birddog list of users

[Alex Payne]

Yes, it's a bit of a pain right now. Long term, we intend on providing
methods in the REST API that you can call from another process, while
connected to the Streaming API. Those methods will allow you to add and
remove user IDs from the list of users you're getting streaming updates
from.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:17, braver  wrote:

>
> Uf you have thousands of users, do you really have to cook up a
> following file with comma-separated say 100,000 user IDs?  Should it
> all be on one line?  Now what happens if we want to drop some and add
> some IDs -- do we have to restart and re-upload all that list again?
> I see when the curl -d @following ... starts up, it does that.
> Restarting with huge lists sounds like data loss...
>
> Cheers,
> Alexy
>



-- 
Alex Payne - Platform Lead, Twitter, Inc.
http://twitter.com/al3x

[twitter-dev] Pull email address after authentication?

[Dave Hensley]

If a Twitter user has authenticated my app, is it possible for me to
view their email address?

>From what I can tell through the O'Reilly book and Google searches,
the answer is currently "no" due to, I'm assuming, security
concerns...  But I can think of several reasons why the user may want
to allow me to have this information. For example, they could use my
app to set up email alerts for themselves that would be triggered by
various events, or use it to send them compiled reports, etc. Being
able to read their email address could be very useful, and I would
love to have it as a feature in the API.

Yes, I could also use it to send them spam, but that's why they should
block my app if they don't trust me. People put their email address
into forms all over the Internet all the time, probably hundreds of
times per year, so it seems silly for me not to be able to read it
even with the user's permission.

One feature that should _definitely_ be removed, however, is the
ability to _change_ the user's email addresss. For instance, if a
person authorizes my app and I do this:

$to->OAuthRequest('https://twitter.com/account/update_profile.xml',
array('email' => 'iame...@hotmail.com'), 'POST');

then all I have to do is fill out the Forgotten Password form, check
the confirmation code that gets sent to _my_ hotmail address, and then
suddenly I've got full control over the poor user's account and the
ability to spam all of their followers. Watch out, Ashton!

I can't believe that the Twitter API permits this, but doesn't allow
me to do something simple and useful like emailing the person a list
of their followers. Am I missing something?

Dave.

[twitter-dev] Re: Pull email address after authentication?

[JDG]

*Yes, I could also use it to send them spam, but that's why they should
block my app if they don't trust me.*

Shouldn't you be applying the same logic to why they would trust you not to
update their email address?

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 15:47, Dave Hensley  wrote:

>
> If a Twitter user has authenticated my app, is it possible for me to
> view their email address?
>
> From what I can tell through the O'Reilly book and Google searches,
> the answer is currently "no" due to, I'm assuming, security
> concerns...  But I can think of several reasons why the user may want
> to allow me to have this information. For example, they could use my
> app to set up email alerts for themselves that would be triggered by
> various events, or use it to send them compiled reports, etc. Being
> able to read their email address could be very useful, and I would
> love to have it as a feature in the API.
>
> Yes, I could also use it to send them spam, but that's why they should
> block my app if they don't trust me. People put their email address
> into forms all over the Internet all the time, probably hundreds of
> times per year, so it seems silly for me not to be able to read it
> even with the user's permission.
>
> One feature that should _definitely_ be removed, however, is the
> ability to _change_ the user's email addresss. For instance, if a
> person authorizes my app and I do this:
>
> $to->OAuthRequest('https://twitter.com/account/update_profile.xml',
> array('email' => 'iame...@hotmail.com'), 'POST');
>
> then all I have to do is fill out the Forgotten Password form, check
> the confirmation code that gets sent to _my_ hotmail address, and then
> suddenly I've got full control over the poor user's account and the
> ability to spam all of their followers. Watch out, Ashton!
>
> I can't believe that the Twitter API permits this, but doesn't allow
> me to do something simple and useful like emailing the person a list
> of their followers. Am I missing something?
>
> Dave.
>



-- 
Internets. Serious business.

[twitter-dev] Re: Pull email address after authentication?

[Dave Hensley]

Yes, which is why I think it's silly that I can change their email
address but can't view it. I really think it should be the other way
around, don't you?.

Dave.

On Jul 8, 6:00 pm, JDG  wrote:
> *Yes, I could also use it to send them spam, but that's why they should
> block my app if they don't trust me.*
>
> Shouldn't you be applying the same logic to why they would trust you not to
> update their email address?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 15:47, Dave Hensley  wrote:
>
> > If a Twitter user has authenticated my app, is it possible for me to
> > view their email address?
>
> > From what I can tell through the O'Reilly book and Google searches,
> > the answer is currently "no" due to, I'm assuming, security
> > concerns...  But I can think of several reasons why the user may want
> > to allow me to have this information. For example, they could use my
> > app to set up email alerts for themselves that would be triggered by
> > various events, or use it to send them compiled reports, etc. Being
> > able to read their email address could be very useful, and I would
> > love to have it as a feature in the API.
>
> > Yes, I could also use it to send them spam, but that's why they should
> > block my app if they don't trust me. People put their email address
> > into forms all over the Internet all the time, probably hundreds of
> > times per year, so it seems silly for me not to be able to read it
> > even with the user's permission.
>
> > One feature that should _definitely_ be removed, however, is the
> > ability to _change_ the user's email addresss. For instance, if a
> > person authorizes my app and I do this:
>
> > $to->OAuthRequest('https://twitter.com/account/update_profile.xml',
> > array('email' => 'iame...@hotmail.com'), 'POST');
>
> > then all I have to do is fill out the Forgotten Password form, check
> > the confirmation code that gets sent to _my_ hotmail address, and then
> > suddenly I've got full control over the poor user's account and the
> > ability to spam all of their followers. Watch out, Ashton!
>
> > I can't believe that the Twitter API permits this, but doesn't allow
> > me to do something simple and useful like emailing the person a list
> > of their followers. Am I missing something?
>
> > Dave.
>
> --
> Internets. Serious business.

[twitter-dev] Re: Pull email address after authentication?

[JDG]

if we're going with "shoulds", i think it should be both or neither.
personally, i'd like it to be both, with the option that the user be able to
completely hide his or her email address from everyone except the twitter
DB. i can see the obvious benefit to the current architecture though. i may
be in a situation -- say, on a smartphone -- where the twitter site doesn't
necessarily render well in my browser, but still want to update my email
address right there and then, or maybe I've got a desktop application and I
just don't want to fire up a browser. In either situation, I like the fact
that the API gives me a way to change my email address. It also prevents an
app owner from getting my email address without my explicit permission --
what is stopping you from simply asking users for their email address if
they want you to send them whatever data you want to send them?

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 16:15, Dave Hensley  wrote:

>
> Yes, which is why I think it's silly that I can change their email
> address but can't view it. I really think it should be the other way
> around, don't you?.
>
> Dave.
>
> On Jul 8, 6:00 pm, JDG  wrote:
> > *Yes, I could also use it to send them spam, but that's why they should
> > block my app if they don't trust me.*
> >
> > Shouldn't you be applying the same logic to why they would trust you not
> to
> > update their email address?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 15:47, Dave Hensley 
> wrote:
> >
> > > If a Twitter user has authenticated my app, is it possible for me to
> > > view their email address?
> >
> > > From what I can tell through the O'Reilly book and Google searches,
> > > the answer is currently "no" due to, I'm assuming, security
> > > concerns...  But I can think of several reasons why the user may want
> > > to allow me to have this information. For example, they could use my
> > > app to set up email alerts for themselves that would be triggered by
> > > various events, or use it to send them compiled reports, etc. Being
> > > able to read their email address could be very useful, and I would
> > > love to have it as a feature in the API.
> >
> > > Yes, I could also use it to send them spam, but that's why they should
> > > block my app if they don't trust me. People put their email address
> > > into forms all over the Internet all the time, probably hundreds of
> > > times per year, so it seems silly for me not to be able to read it
> > > even with the user's permission.
> >
> > > One feature that should _definitely_ be removed, however, is the
> > > ability to _change_ the user's email addresss. For instance, if a
> > > person authorizes my app and I do this:
> >
> > > $to->OAuthRequest('https://twitter.com/account/update_profile.xml',
> > > array('email' => 'iame...@hotmail.com'), 'POST');
> >
> > > then all I have to do is fill out the Forgotten Password form, check
> > > the confirmation code that gets sent to _my_ hotmail address, and then
> > > suddenly I've got full control over the poor user's account and the
> > > ability to spam all of their followers. Watch out, Ashton!
> >
> > > I can't believe that the Twitter API permits this, but doesn't allow
> > > me to do something simple and useful like emailing the person a list
> > > of their followers. Am I missing something?
> >
> > > Dave.
> >
> > --
> > Internets. Serious business.
>



-- 
Internets. Serious business.

[twitter-dev] /search ending service for unsupported HTTP methods after July 15, 2009

[Doug Williams]

The documentation for the /search method [1] specifies that all queries
should be performed with an HTTP GET. On or after July 15, 2009, we will
begin enforcing the use of HTTP GET for all queries. Requests sent to the
/search method which are not performed with an HTTP GET will be met with an
HTTP 403 response.

Please check your code and make any necessary updates before this change is
deployed.

1. http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Twitter-Search-API-Method%3A-search

Thanks,
Doug

[twitter-dev] /search ending service for unsupported HTTP methods after July 15, 2009

[Doug Williams]

The documentation for the /search method [1] specifies that all queries
should be performed with an HTTP GET. On or after July 15, 2009, we will
begin enforcing the use of HTTP GET for all queries. Requests sent to the
/search method which are not performed with an HTTP GET will be met with an
HTTP 403 response.

Please check your code and make any necessary updates before this change is
deployed.

1. http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Twitter-Search-API-Method%3A-search

Thanks,
Doug

[twitter-dev] Re: Pull email address after authentication?

[Doug Williams]

It is not possible to view a user's email address. Additionally, it is not
possible to perform a user lookup based on an email address. If you do not
trust an application enough to not change your email address, we suggest you
not use that application.

As always, please email a...@twitter.com if you have found an application
behaving poorly.

Thanks,
Doug




On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 3:34 PM, JDG  wrote:

> if we're going with "shoulds", i think it should be both or neither.
> personally, i'd like it to be both, with the option that the user be able to
> completely hide his or her email address from everyone except the twitter
> DB. i can see the obvious benefit to the current architecture though. i may
> be in a situation -- say, on a smartphone -- where the twitter site doesn't
> necessarily render well in my browser, but still want to update my email
> address right there and then, or maybe I've got a desktop application and I
> just don't want to fire up a browser. In either situation, I like the fact
> that the API gives me a way to change my email address. It also prevents an
> app owner from getting my email address without my explicit permission --
> what is stopping you from simply asking users for their email address if
> they want you to send them whatever data you want to send them?
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 16:15, Dave Hensley  wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, which is why I think it's silly that I can change their email
>> address but can't view it. I really think it should be the other way
>> around, don't you?.
>>
>> Dave.
>>
>> On Jul 8, 6:00 pm, JDG  wrote:
>> > *Yes, I could also use it to send them spam, but that's why they should
>> > block my app if they don't trust me.*
>> >
>> > Shouldn't you be applying the same logic to why they would trust you not
>> to
>> > update their email address?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 15:47, Dave Hensley 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > If a Twitter user has authenticated my app, is it possible for me to
>> > > view their email address?
>> >
>> > > From what I can tell through the O'Reilly book and Google searches,
>> > > the answer is currently "no" due to, I'm assuming, security
>> > > concerns...  But I can think of several reasons why the user may want
>> > > to allow me to have this information. For example, they could use my
>> > > app to set up email alerts for themselves that would be triggered by
>> > > various events, or use it to send them compiled reports, etc. Being
>> > > able to read their email address could be very useful, and I would
>> > > love to have it as a feature in the API.
>> >
>> > > Yes, I could also use it to send them spam, but that's why they should
>> > > block my app if they don't trust me. People put their email address
>> > > into forms all over the Internet all the time, probably hundreds of
>> > > times per year, so it seems silly for me not to be able to read it
>> > > even with the user's permission.
>> >
>> > > One feature that should _definitely_ be removed, however, is the
>> > > ability to _change_ the user's email addresss. For instance, if a
>> > > person authorizes my app and I do this:
>> >
>> > > $to->OAuthRequest('https://twitter.com/account/update_profile.xml',
>> > > array('email' => 'iame...@hotmail.com'), 'POST');
>> >
>> > > then all I have to do is fill out the Forgotten Password form, check
>> > > the confirmation code that gets sent to _my_ hotmail address, and then
>> > > suddenly I've got full control over the poor user's account and the
>> > > ability to spam all of their followers. Watch out, Ashton!
>> >
>> > > I can't believe that the Twitter API permits this, but doesn't allow
>> > > me to do something simple and useful like emailing the person a list
>> > > of their followers. Am I missing something?
>> >
>> > > Dave.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Internets. Serious business.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Internets. Serious business.
>

[twitter-dev] Re: updating follow/shadow/birddog list of users

[John Kalucki]

Alexy,

First, curl isn't the best approach for developing against the
Streaming API. It's fine for prototyping, but it only goes so far.

Yes, the comma separated list should be all on one line if you are
using curl.

If you want to change the user set, you should connect with the new
set and then disconnect the old set immediately once the data starts
to flow. This will be hard to coordinate using curl. In some cases,
Twitter will throw the first user off once the second user connects.
In other cases it will be more lenient. But, beware: if you want to
avoid running into various abuse limits, you'd best be sure that your
coordination between the first and second streams are quite solid and
that the first stream is always terminated in a timely manner.

You can also avoid data loss by using the count parameter, available
on some, but not all, methods.

Please email me with your use case and I'll forward it on to the
Platform PM to help prioritize the better solution, as outlined by
Alex.

-John Kalucki
twitter.com/jkalucki
Services, Twitter Inc.



On Jul 8, 12:17 pm, braver  wrote:
> Uf you have thousands of users, do you really have to cook up a
> following file with comma-separated say 100,000 user IDs?  Should it
> all be on one line?  Now what happens if we want to drop some and add
> some IDs -- do we have to restart and re-upload all that list again?
> I see when the curl -d @following ... starts up, it does that.
> Restarting with huge lists sounds like data loss...
>
> Cheers,
> Alexy

[twitter-dev] Re: stopping bit.ly automatic shortening of urls

[sull]

yes, twitter is after all a text based service.
anyway, adding html to a tweet opens up a can of worms.
it wont happen.  it shouldnt happen.

yes, twtr could provide, via the web UI at least, a way to add
metadata to a tweet that is extra (not the text message itself, but
associated data that can be exposed on certain UIs.  but thats a
different topic and i'd like to improve the current issue of short
urling.

also of interest - http://twitterdata.org

On Jul 8, 4:42 pm, Joel Strellner  wrote:
> It goes back to the root of twitter originally being a SMS  
> application. I recall hearing or reading someone on the Twitter team  
> saying that.
>
> -Joel
>
> On Jul 8, 2009, at 1:31 PM, whoiskb  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I am curious if there has ever been an official response from twitter
> > on why some simple HTML has not been allowed in a tweet?  If we were
> > able to use an anchor tag, and the HTML did not count against the 140
> > character limit, then the need for a URL shortener service would not
> > be needed.
>
> > On Jul 8, 10:27 am, sull  wrote:
> >> ironically, my example urls are shortened here ;)
>
> >> On Jul 8, 12:20 pm, sull  wrote:
>
> >>> this is a topic of interest to me for a long while.
> >>> been meaning to start a thread.
>
> >>> i'm often bothered by the automatic shortening of urls when in fact
> >>> the url does not need to be shortened.  in these cases, i of  
> >>> course do
> >>> not want to hide the real url by using a forced 3rd party service  
> >>> like
> >>> bit.ly.
> >>> i have use cases where all that is posted is a url.  and the url
> >>> includes a long detailed description of the link.  this, in my
> >>> opinion, is smart as the only object to maintain is the url itself
> >>> which provides a hyperlink and a short message combined.  sometimes,
> >>> these use cases are using natural language vanity urls to form short
> >>> sentences.
>
> >>> ie.http://john.tot.al.ly/wiped-out-on-this-huge-wave-in-hawaii-at-
> >>> the-Su...
>
> >>> the other annoying thing that is related to the twitter UI is how  
> >>> long
> >>> urls are cut-off//trimmed even if they dont need to be.  the above
> >>> example would be destroyed because it would result in something
> >>> like:
>
> >>>http://john.tot.al.ly/wip
>
> >>> actually, i'm not certain if that is still the case as it seems to  
> >>> me
> >>> that every url is shortened with bit.ly now.  i grok the value in
> >>> tracking urls and bit.ly may be bought by twitter at some point and
> >>> this notion of url tracking will be fully integrated but the
> >>> debate about url shortners in general how they can break the
> >>> natural web, are vulnerable to massive broken links and simply thr
> >>> cryptic format itself that hides the true location are all to be
> >>> considered and continued to be debated.
>
> >>> at the very least, 3rd party developers should get an override
> >>> toggle.
> >>> that is something i think we all need to start demanding.
>
> >>> and yes, an official doc explaining the current and future
> >>> impementations of url shortening on twitter is definitely needed  
> >>> now.
>
> >>>http://plea.se/twitter-dont-shorten-this-url-with-bitly-since-it-does
> >>> ...
>
> >>>http://twitter.com/sull/status/2534470050
>
> >>> @sull
>
> >>> On Jul 8, 4:50 am, Swaroop  wrote:
>
>  "However, if you paste in a link that is less than 30 characters,
>  we'll post it in its entirety.  If it's longer than 30 characters,
>  we'll convert it to a shorter URL."
>
>  Source:http://help.twitter.com/portal

[twitter-dev] Changing domains for image hosting

[Doug Williams]

Folks --
We are going to be moving images to a new domain (twimg.com) to streamline
our image hosting and offer better performance. We hope this will have
limited impact as will only change the image URL. Example URLs include:

Profile images:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitter_production/profile_images/35240332/2929920.gif

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/35240332/2929920.gif
Background images:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitter_production/profile_background_images/18156348/jessica_tiled.jpg.jpeg

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_background_images/18156348/jessica_tiled.jpg.jpeg

Thanks,
Doug

[twitter-dev] Re: stopping bit.ly automatic shortening of urls

[Dean Collins]

Yeh we have the same problem with www.LiveBaseballChat.com
  

 

Even though we keep the messages under 140 characters and put the CHurl
links at the start of the message Twitter still truncates the urls into
bitly links. which wouldn't be so bad if it was just a URL but our
CHurls are structured links eg this fake link below.

 

*   
>
> Made up of the following constitute parts
>
> URL/ Live Baseballchat.com
>
> CHurl/ Word
>
> 09/ Year
>
> 04/ Month
>
> 11/ Date
>
> 10/ Room number
>
> A1234FG/ Message number

 

 

I'm hoping that eventually once Twitter starts offering commercial
accounts that 'non bitly' truncation is one of the features that paid
accounts will be able to pay for.

 

Regards,

Dean Collins
Cognation Inc
d...@cognation.net
 +1-212-203-4357   New York
+61-2-9016-5642   (Sydney in-dial).
+44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial).



From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com
[mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Abraham
Williams
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:11 AM
To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: stopping bit.ly automatic shortening of urls

 

There is no way to turn URL shortening off.

Two ways you could handle this though are:
1) Keep the URLs short enough that Twitter does not turn them into bitly
links. I don't think the exact size/composition is published so you
would have to experiment to see where that line is.
2) Shorten it yourself so you can control what comes after the /. It
would not be a direct link but you could parse it.

Abraham

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 06:42, infopete  wrote:


we're writing an application to do live gps tracking with Twitter.

We'd like to be able to have a full url in a message which we could
parse or use as a direct web link.

GPS logging will be done on pocket pc based phones and we already have
a test application available (Twittrack).

We're extending the functionality of our silverlight application
http://tweepware.infonote.com to be able to display live gps updates
from Twitter.

But..

When we post to Twitter using the api our url is always shrunk to a
bit.ly url.

How can we stop this?

Regards

Pete




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[twitter-dev] Re: Changing domains for image hosting

[Wynn Netherland]

Hi, Doug,
Thanks for the heads up and all the hard work to keep us in the loop.

Any plans to offer something like:

http://twimg.com/pengwynn so people can always have my latest avatar
regardless of the filename?

Thanks,

Wynn Netherland
@pengwynn

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Doug Williams  wrote:

> Folks --
> We are going to be moving images to a new domain (twimg.com) to streamline
> our image hosting and offer better performance. We hope this will have
> limited impact as will only change the image URL. Example URLs include:
>
> Profile images:
>
>
> http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitter_production/profile_images/35240332/2929920.gif
>
> http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/35240332/2929920.gif
> Background images:
>
> http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitter_production/profile_background_images/18156348/jessica_tiled.jpg.jpeg
>
> http://a0.twimg.com/profile_background_images/18156348/jessica_tiled.jpg.jpeg
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
>
>


-- 
Wynn Netherland
twitter: pengwynn

[twitter-dev] Re: [twitter-api-announce] Changing domains for image hosting

[Lachlan Hardy]

Got a rough timeline for this change, Doug?

[twitter-dev] Re: Pull email address after authentication?

[Scott Haneda]

On Jul 8, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Doug Williams wrote:

It is not possible to view a user's email address. Additionally, it  
is not possible to perform a user lookup based on an email address.


This is not entirely true, though can not be done through the API.  I  
had friends find me on twitter, and for month, never knew why.  It is  
quote simple to load an email into gmail, and add that to twitter and  
it will look up any user with that email.


I wish this feature was able to be disabled.  I have had to create a  
junk email account in twitter, just so I have some privacy.  I get  
that the posts are not private, but I had an account that was not  
something I wanted people to connect with me.  That is too late now.


No where on the twitter Web site is it explained that your email  
address can be used as a way for users to locate you.


I personally believe, this should be explained in detail on the join  
page where you enter in your email address.  And I should be able to  
opt out of this feature.

--
Scott * If you contact me off list replace talklists@ with scott@ *

[twitter-dev] Re: OAuth and "native" clients

[Zach]

I'm going to 3rd Sebastian's POV.  This is a serious problem that
needs to be addressed now.  Mobile app developers want to integrate
their native apps with sites like Twitter and Facebook, but the
current user experience is so unacceptable that no one is going to use
it in its current form.

For more on the topic:

http://www.hueniverse.com/hueniverse/2009/02/beyond-the-oauth-web-redirection-flow.html

Kudos to the Twitter team for actually starting to think about a
reasonable solution to this problem.  Facebook has the Connect for
iPhone library, but even that is just their terrible JavaScript-based
Connect login shown in an embedded browser.  And forget about trying
to authenticate with Facebook from something like a BlackBerry app.

We are anxiously awaiting a "OAuth for Mobile" option for the Twitter
API (as are a lot of other developers).  Our app missed the "from
[MyApplication] using Basic Auth" cutoff so now every status update we
push says "from Twitter4J"... not the best for marketing purposes.  We
would also love not having to store passwords on the device and send
them over the wire every time a user clicks the "Share" button.



On Jun 30, 4:42 pm, morefromalan  wrote:
> Just wanted to second Sebastian's POV here.  UserExperience is a key
> revenue driver for us, andOAuthfor nativemobileapps is really
> painful for the user.
>
> On Jun 19, 5:41 am, Sebastian  wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the pointer... I did some searches, but they were all
> > focused onmobileclients.
>
> > In my case, I'm not worried about the complexity of implementing
> >OAuth. I can deal with that, and once it's done, it's gone from the
> > picture. It's the user experience that worries me, as exposed on that
> > thread by the TTYtter example.
>
> > "Well, since people are asking, the workflow doesn't significantly
> > differ
> > from otherOAuthapplications and depends on the fact that access
> > tokens
> > don't expire. When people start TTYtter up for the first time without
> > an
> > access token (or TTYtter tries the access token and it fails), it asks
> > for
> > the usual request token, prints the access URL with the request token
> > it
> > wants the user to authorize, and waits for the user to authorize.
> > Twitter,
> > presumably, will say, "ok, tell your program to continue." Back on
> > TTYtter's
> > side, the user hits ENTER, and TTYtter exchanges its request token for
> > an
> > access token *and caches it* once it has verified it can successfully
> > hit
> > the user timeline for data. So far, this is not significantly
> > different than
> > any otherOAuthapp. "
>
> > Is there any other way to doOAuthand at the same time, behave like a
> > sensible application?
>
> > Could Twitter implement a basic auth api call to perform theoauth
> > authorization in the first place? Such a call would only be allowed
> > from clients that prove they need it, and could be revoked for rogue
> > clients. I know this lowers the security ofOAuth, but it only
> > officializes a hack many apps will try to implement.
>
> > On Jun 19, 12:39 am, Cameron Kaiser  wrote:
>
> > > > Or is the door for basic auth really closing forever?
>
> > > This has been discussed in a number of threads and an exact determination
> > > has not yet been made. However, this might give you some context:
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/browse_thread...
>
> > > --
> > >  
> > > personal:http://www.cameronkaiser.com/--
> > >   Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems *www.floodgap.com*ckai...@floodgap.com
> > > -- The cost of living has not adversely affected its popularity. 
> > > --- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>

[twitter-dev] Re: [twitter-api-announce] Changing domains for image hosting

[Doug Williams]

At the moment there is no internal interest in offering a programmatic URL
scheme to locate user images. One of the easiest cache breaking strategies
is to change the URL for the image which works across browsers,
applications, etc., which is why we like the unique URLs. Additionally, we
want to ensure that clients have to go through the API to get image data; we
do not want to end up a harvesting target.

We recommend clients serve images through a local cache when possible. As
new API data enters the system, the client should periodically perform a
lookup on the URL-based hash in the image cache. In the event that the
URL-based hash is not valid cache key, the client can assume the image has
not been loaded or has changed. This should trigger the client to update the
cached version of the avatar or background image. This straight forward
strategy to allows clients to control the quality of service and ensures
timely image updates.

The change should come within the next day or two. It is owned by another
team and they are being pretty aggressive about moving forward with the
deploy.

Thanks,
Doug




On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Lachlan Hardy wrote:

> Got a rough timeline for this change, Doug?
>

[twitter-dev] Re: Changing domains for image hosting

[Doug Williams]

Andrew Stone asked a great question off list and I wanted to share the  
answer here.


Images will be hosted from a number of sub-domains of twimg.com.  
Therefore you should not expect all images to be served from a0.twimg.com 
 as in the examples provided, but instead should expect an aribitrary  
sub-domain (*.twimg.com).


Thanks,
Doug


On Jul 8, 2009, at 6:20 PM, Doug Williams  wrote:


Folks --
We are going to be moving images to a new domain (twimg.com) to  
streamline our image hosting and offer better performance. We hope  
this will have limited impact as will only change the image URL.  
Example URLs include:


Profile images:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitter_production/profile_images/35240332/2929920.gif

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/35240332/2929920.gif

Background images:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitter_production/profile_background_images/18156348/jessica_tiled.jpg.jpeg
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_background_images/18156348/jessica_tiled.jpg.jpeg
Thanks,
Doug