Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:30 PM, Michael I wrote:Uh not to flog a dead horse but I remember some time back when Josh Leo loudly said the same thing...same song, same arugement. Is this something that should be addressed? I do not know the complete tift here but reading Manchessemo's complaint here has been metioned numerous times. Why is this? does it put a black eye the promotion of videoblogging? Do arugements like this leave a bad taste in peoples mouths? With this new "media" are people struggling to stay at the top? and in the mean time does this stiffle the creativity?has it created a hierarchary instead of a anarchy? as a particpant (since August 2004) and observer it seems that it's not making the most positive impression. I am open to any honest and or creative disscussion. If you want to email me to mention any personal feelings I welcome that also.MickFirst of all I have to agree... this is a great topic... or rather when we shift away from talking about something we can't control... the press... something I'm not even sure why we're obsessed about... what with our being our own media and all... this becomes an very interesting topic... one we should talk about from time to time. That said...Well, since Josh Leo went from ranting about "a-list" to being one of the most popular vloggers I don't think it's as big an issue as people would make it out to be. But let's analyze anyway shall we? :)Where does this "a-list" establishment embed itself?1) our vlogrolls?2) directories - most popular?3) FireAnt's 10 default feeds?4) the recycled hot list of names used in previous articles on vloggers in the lexis nexus dbase?5) Where else? Our minds?or is it just active participants in the vlogosphere1) people who post videos a lot?2) people who chat here a lot?3) people who get active in lots of projects?4) or simply people who make videos people love?What else determines visibility... what else embeds the status quo into the system. What else indoctrinates?How can we break the status quo?As an example... Mefeedia is developing things like favoring, tagging, reviewing, and re-vlogging (aka. their "blog this" tool) so that anyone can quickly find and just as easily promote new vlogs and videos. And we're helping you do it because it helps us build a better directory... which is the vision of "social media"... self helping, self made... like wikipedia or any wiki... but different in form.Sure there's still a way to see the most popular video feeds... but we can't deny people that, it has it's utility. What we can do is develop tools that create "churn"... that agitate the status quo... so that the mix of vlogs doesn't become a homogenized flow of same same... and meanwhile you can do the same... the best way of course it revlogging... promote other peoples videos... keep an up to date vlog roll.It's no secrete that re-vlogging is ALL I do with my blog... what's more I seek out other projects like evilvlog.com to "re-contextualize" and challenge norms and expectations... Evilvlog is now a wild and chaotic churn of media coming from all over the vlogosphere and we're going to keep adding adding editors until it implodes.. and/or people start creating their own "evilvlogs"... seek out people of shared interest and start your own multi-person vlog or blog and let's decentralize this conversation on this yahoo group a little... because it in my mind is perhaps the one thing most responsible for this cliquish insider feeling... that new visitors get... it's well beyond it's capacity... that said perhaps I shouldn't even be posting here... but to say... disperse.. find or build new fertile lands for conversation... it's completely within your power.BTW, some other ideas on creating more churn, in addition to AWSOME collaborative re-vlogging.Perhaps mefeedia and fireant should both create _javascript_ objects for dropping in the right hand sidebar of a vlog that would contain a list of vlogs one is currently subscribed to on mefeedia or fire ant... An up to the minute vlog roll.Perhaps also a tool for displaying the items in one's personal queue of media or playlist... to put in the right hand side bar of their vlog.Perhaps also a tool for displaying my recently favorited or tagged videos in the right hand side bar of my vlog.FireANT, Vlogdir, Blip, Audi blog and others might find ways to follow suit.These things like live vlog rolls would have a TREMENDOUS impact on search traffic and traffic flow. I would absolutely love to see what Steve Garfield, Ryanne, and Josh Leo and indeed all my friends are subscribed to at any different moment, what their tagging, what they're favoriting. All this on the face of their vlog. The search engines would go NUTS! I encourage you to look for other ways of promoting the mix and churn.The solution to this issue in my mind lies in ongoing work around the following fundamental systematic / architectural question.How can we drive traffic out to the edges of the network and
[videoblogging] holographic data storage
I remember reading about holographic storage / crystalline data storage in the mid 90s but back then they could write the data but couldn't read it back off. seems like they've fixed the problems according to the tests run last november. looking forward to the personal device using these to be available.. they've been doing tests with broadcasters for hdtv and the like. http://www.hiptechblog.com/2005/11/25/maxell-introduces-groundbreaking-holographic-recording-technology http://www.inphase-technologies.com/ Maxell Introduces Groundbreaking Holographic Recording Technology November 25th, 2005 | Posted in Computer Technology by Leon Huang Up to 1.6-terabytes (or 1,600 1638-gigabytes for those who can't count) and transfer rates reaching 120 MBPS (megabytes, not bits!), Maxell's latest holographic technology is a real breakthrough in optical media. Made possible together with InPhase Technologies, each of these 5¼-inch disks can hold as much data as 63 DVDs. It offers a 50+ years of archive life and is expected to have the lowest cost per gigabyte compared to any other commercial removable storage in the current market. "Combining high storage densities and fast transfer rates with durable, reliable, low cost media, Holographic technology is poised to become a compelling choice for next-generation storage and content distribution needs," said Liz Murphy, vice president of marketing for InPhase Technologies. "Unlike other technologies that record one data bit at a time, holography allows a million bits of data to be written and read in parallel with a single flash of light. This enables transfer rates significantly higher than current optical storage devices." - Maxell-USA.com The first generation of this holographic media will come in only 300-gigabytes of storage capacity, and with a 20 MBPS transfer rate. Scheduled for release in late 2006, this will be one thing pr0n collectors optical storage fanatics will want to look out for. [via OhGizmo!] -- http://www.aliak.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
Phenomenal response! Lets bring this together, expose the trials and triumphs. Your only as good as the tools provided and your only as good as the people around you. What can be done to neutralize the negative emotions around this subject? Is this a medium that can change perception? How easy it for us to find good content and make new people feel welcome? With so many variables, where or how can this been taken to the next level? Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:30 PM, Michael I wrote:Uh not to flog a dead horse but I remember some time back when Josh Leo loudly said the same thing...same song, same arugement.Is this something that should be addressed? I do not know the complete tift here but reading Manchessemo's complaint here has been metioned numerous times.Why is this? does it put a black eye the promotion of videoblogging? Do arugements like this leave a bad taste in peoples mouths? With this new "media" are people struggling to stay at the top? and in the mean time does this stiffle the creativity?has it created a hierarchary instead of a anarchy? as a particpant (since August 2004) and observer it seems that it's not making the most positive impression. I am open to any honest and or creative disscussion. If you want to email me to mention any personal feelings I welcome that also.MickFirst of all I have to agree... this is a great topic... or rather when we shift away from talking about something we can't control... the press... something I'm not even sure why we're obsessed about... what with our being our own media and all... this becomes an very interesting topic... one we should talk about from time to time.That said...Well, since Josh Leo went from ranting about "a-list" to being one of the most popular vloggers I don't think it's as big an issue as people would make it out to be. But let's analyze anyway shall we? :)Where does this "a-list" establishment embed itself?1) our vlogrolls?2) directories - most popular?3) FireAnt's 10 default feeds?4) the recycled hot list of names used in previous articles on vloggers in the lexis nexus dbase?5) Where else? Our minds?or is it just active participants in the vlogosphere1) people who post videos a lot?2) people who chat here a lot?3) people who get active in lots of projects?4) or simply people who make videos people love?What else determines visibility... what else embeds the status quo into the system. What else indoctrinates?How can we break the status quo?As an example... Mefeedia is developing things like favoring, tagging, reviewing, and re-vlogging (aka. their "blog this" tool) so that anyone can quickly find and just as easily promote new vlogs and videos. And we're helping you do it because it helps us build a better directory... which is the vision of "social media"... self helping, self made... like wikipedia or any wiki... but different in form.Sure there's still a way to see the mostpopular video feeds... but we can't deny people that, it has it's utility. What we can do is develop tools that create "churn"... that agitate the status quo... so that the mix of vlogs doesn't become a homogenized flow of same same... and meanwhile you can do the same... the best way of course it revlogging... promote other peoples videos... keep an up to date vlog roll.It's no secrete that re-vlogging is ALL I do with my blog... what's more I seek out other projects like evilvlog.com to "re-contextualize" and challenge norms and expectations... Evilvlog is now a wild andchaotic churn of media coming from all over the vlogosphere and we're going to keep adding adding editorsuntil it implodes.. and/or people start creating their own "evilvlogs"... seek out people of shared interest and start your own multi-person vlog or blog and let's decentralize this conversation on this yahoo group a little... because it inmy mind is perhaps the one thing most responsible for this cliquish insider feeling... that new visitors get... it's well beyond it's capacity... that said perhaps I shouldn't even be posting here... but to say... disperse.. find or build new fertile lands for conversation... it's completely within your power.BTW, some other ideas on creating more churn, in addition to AWSOME collaborative re-vlogging.Perhaps mefeedia and fireant should both create _javascript_ objects for dropping in the right hand sidebar of a vlog that would contain a list of vlogs one is currently subscribed to on mefeedia or fire ant... An up to the minute vlog roll.Perhaps also a tool for displaying the items in one's personal queue of media or playlist... to put in the right hand side bar of their vlog.Perhaps also a tool for displaying my recently favorited or tagged videos in the right hand side bar of my vlog.FireANT, Vlogdir, Blip, Audi blog and others mightfind ways to follow suit.These things like live vlog rolls would have a TREMENDOUS impact on search traffic and traffic flow. I would absolutely love to see what Steve
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[videoblogging] Define Videoblogging
There's been a idea that has been promoted to not define Videoblogging. That it is too soon, that defining it will lock it down and constrain it, and so on. The error is that a model, definition, thesis is required to test if something is viable. You don't discover something by not applying a model to it, but by testing if a proposed model accurately describes the item in question. The video projects that are interesting and successful whether the highly structured Rocket Boom or loosely structured Carp Caviar, have a understandable structure. Experimental films have existed since Edison and others invented the technology of filmmaking. But it became a vibrant media once Griffith found and clearly displayed the 60-120 minute, three act model in Birth of a Nation. Within that clear models of genres and forms -- the science fiction, crime (with subgenre of noire), romance (subgenres of romantic-comedy, etc.), comedy, etc. sub-models --- resolved into modes of film expression. It is a mistake to narrowly define an art form. To say that videoblogging is just personal diaries or citizen journalism or another type of genre expression. This is like saying film is adventure. It may be that adventure (or romantic or crime) films are the most prevalent genres, but they are not the only genres that can exist and are interesting. It is the form of a duration around 90 minutes with three acts that does define the cinematic form. And it is a video with blogging capability that may be the correct model that different genres of videoblogging exist in. That model may be incomplete or innacurate, but it should be proposed and tested against competing models until the correct model is determined. Saying that no model should be tested is quite possibly a recipe for floundering and stagnation. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
For the record, I don't ever want a *job and yes, vlogging *is in most respects my life. I've been working toward creating things that are served by what vlogging offers since I was but a wee lass in saddle shoes. If you feel on the outside ask yourself this: why do you begrudge folks who make vlogging their life and livlihood and the attention that has brought them? Churn. Yes. Definitely helps to bring new, talented folks to the top of the pot.Most of the directories have restructured their sites to feature new vloggers. What more do you want? As MM points out, becoming part of the community, posting regularly, being active in lots of groups and community effortswill bring you up through the ranks. All the popular vloggers have done this and more, and worked tirelessly to create this community. If you are new here you have no idea the time and effort they have invested. If what you want is to walk through the door and be lifted upon others' shoulders and given a gratuitous round of "For he's a jolly good fellow," forget it. It's not going to happen without work. Lots of work. If you think that "posting" to this or any list community means posting your URL and telling folks to visit your vlog it's not going to work. Share your expertise. Do something. Anything. But make it open source and on some level selfless. As I'm fond of saying, "Work hard; use the proper tools." When did it become a sin to promote friends and family? You want me to promote you? Do some small thing for me and then I will. No question. You want me to promote you? Become my friend. That means talk with me, promote me, help me, console and advise me. I will do the same for you. Videoblogging is not television, nor is it Hollywood. We have yet to discover a vlog-voice in terms of what styles fit best in a 320 x 240 or smaller screen in 3 minutes or less. We have yet to discover a way to have vlog conversations, link-love, and quotations, back-and-forthing as simple as bloggers do that. I think the style will be closeups on faces and things. Good sound design. Good, compact ideas. In short, the short film closer in. It is still very early in the game, folks. Cooperation and community rule. Gettin' off my low pony now. XOXOX, Jan -- "It isn't done alone. Pay more." http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roadnode101/ - Road Node 101http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - motionhttp://blog.urbanartadventures.com - soundhttp://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - communityhttp://the-hold.blogspot.com - literature. - Original Message - From: Michael I To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging Phenomenal response!Lets bring this together, expose the trials and triumphs.Your only as good as the tools provided and your only as good as the people around you. What can be done to neutralize the negative emotions around this subject?Is this a medium that can change perception? How easy it for us to find good content and make new people feel welcome?With so many variables, where or how can this been taken to the next level?Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:30 PM, Michael I wrote: Uh not to flog a dead horse but I remember some time back when Josh Leo loudly said the same thing...same song, same arugement.Is this something that should be addressed? I do not know the complete tift here but reading Manchessemo's complaint here has been metioned numerous times.Why is this? does it put a black eye the promotion of videoblogging? Do arugements like this leave a bad taste in peoples mouths? With this new "media" are people struggling to stay at the top? and in the mean time does this stiffle the creativity?has it created a hierarchary instead of a anarchy? as a particpant (since August 2004) and observer it seems that it's not making the most positive impression. I am open to any honest and or creative disscussion. If you want to email me to mention any personal feelings I welcome that also.Mick First of all I have to agree... this is a great topic... or rather when we shift away from talking about something we can't control... the press... something I'm not even sure why we're obsessed about... what with our being our own media and all... this becomes an very interesting topic... one we should talk about from time to time.That said... Well, since Josh Leo went from ranting about "a-list" to being one of the most popular vloggers I don't think it's as big an issue as people would make it out to be. But let's analyze anyway shall we? :) Where does this "a-list" establishment embed itself? 1) our vlogrolls? 2) directories - most popular? 3) FireAnt's 10
[videoblogging] video guide to Providence
hi folks I am still using my cheap kiddie cam but I have a real camcorder on the way. I have decided to do vlogs about my new hometown Providence RI. I am in love with Providence after living in Nyc for twenty years. Here are my feeble attempts at vlogging about Providence. More to come. http://www.youtube.com/my_videos.php http://dougri.blip.tv/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/.QUssC/izNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it became a vibrant media once Griffith found and clearly displayed the 60-120 minute, three act model in Birth of a Nation. 'The Birth of a Nation' goes for 187 minutes. Just for the record. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is the form of a duration around 90
minutes with three acts that does define the cinematic form.
This is so wrong it's not funny.
The length criterion (not to mention the absurd narrative-biased three
act structure criterion) completely disregards almost the entire
avant-garde movement, many films of which are decidedly more cinematic
than the narrative films you see to think define cinema (see Brakhage,
Breer, Mekas, Deren, VanDerBeek, Fischinger, Richter, and so on). It
also disregards masterpieces like 'Les Vampires' (399 min), Tarr's
'Sátántangó' (450 min), Lanzmann's 'Shoah' (544 min), and Rivette's
'Out 1' (729 min). I can assure you that these are among the most
cinematic films of all time.
The three act structure criterion doesn't just disregard films from
the avant-garde, either, but narrative films with one act (short
films), two acts ('Sleuth'), four ('Shoah'), more ('Playtime'), and so
on, as well. Again, all incredibly cinematic films.
Your definition of cinematic form seems to me to speak only of your
very limited understanding of everything that cinema is and can be.
It's like saying that literature is defined by novels of approximately
four hundred pages in length, as opposed to by words, any number of
them, arranged to make meaning, or to create aesthetic effect, no
more, no less.
It's like saying that music is defined by four quarter time
compositions that run for approximately three or four minutes and have
lyrics, often which rhyme, as opposed to by sounds, arranged by tone,
timbre, quality, and so on, for any length of time, again for some
sort of aesthetic effect, pleasurable or intentionally otherwise.
It's like saying that visual art is defined by one type of paint, on
canvas, hung on a wall somewhere in France, as opposed to by shapes,
colours, textures, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You see where I'm going.
Cinema is not defined--not in any way, shape or form--by films with
ninety minute running times and three act (narrative) structures.
It is defined by moving images (occasionally accompanied by sounds)
existing (they don't even have to be arranged) in time. Cinema is
time-based images.
This post has nothing to do with videoblogging (it could, but I'm
tired and want to go to bed), but I'll stand up for cinema until my
bloody, no doubt premature death. All I can say is that if our
definitions of videoblogging are as restrictive and reductive as this
definition of cinema, then we're simply not the right people to be
developing it--in fact, I'd argue that we'd be hindering it far more
than we'd be helping it.
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Re: [videoblogging] video guide to Providence
Doug, I enjoyed those. I've been driving through Providence for years, stopping only occasionally for breakfast near Brown. Good to see some other parts of the city. You should definately link your videos into the map! http://wayfaring.com/maps/show/2721 (It looks like it's centered on NYC, but only because I've just started linking in my videos. Help grow the map by adding your links.) JSOn 12/17/05, DOUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi folksI am still using my cheap kiddie cam but I have a real camcorder onthe way.I have decided to do vlogs about my new hometown Providence RI. I am inlove with Providence after living in Nyc for twenty years. Here are my feeble attempts at vlogging about Providence. More to come. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
Warning - do not step into the ring with Matt Clayfield
on matters of the cinema. You will get served.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is the form of a duration around 90
minutes with three acts that does define the cinematic form.
This is so wrong it's not funny.
The length criterion (not to mention the absurd narrative-biased three
act structure criterion) completely disregards almost the entire
avant-garde movement, many films of which are decidedly more cinematic
than the narrative films you see to think define cinema (see Brakhage,
Breer, Mekas, Deren, VanDerBeek, Fischinger, Richter, and so on). It
also disregards masterpieces like 'Les Vampires' (399 min), Tarr's
'Sátántangó' (450 min), Lanzmann's 'Shoah' (544 min), and Rivette's
'Out 1' (729 min). I can assure you that these are among the most
cinematic films of all time.
The three act structure criterion doesn't just disregard films from
the avant-garde, either, but narrative films with one act (short
films), two acts ('Sleuth'), four ('Shoah'), more ('Playtime'), and so
on, as well. Again, all incredibly cinematic films.
Your definition of cinematic form seems to me to speak only of your
very limited understanding of everything that cinema is and can be.
It's like saying that literature is defined by novels of approximately
four hundred pages in length, as opposed to by words, any number of
them, arranged to make meaning, or to create aesthetic effect, no
more, no less.
It's like saying that music is defined by four quarter time
compositions that run for approximately three or four minutes and have
lyrics, often which rhyme, as opposed to by sounds, arranged by tone,
timbre, quality, and so on, for any length of time, again for some
sort of aesthetic effect, pleasurable or intentionally otherwise.
It's like saying that visual art is defined by one type of paint, on
canvas, hung on a wall somewhere in France, as opposed to by shapes,
colours, textures, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You see where I'm going.
Cinema is not defined--not in any way, shape or form--by films with
ninety minute running times and three act (narrative) structures.
It is defined by moving images (occasionally accompanied by sounds)
existing (they don't even have to be arranged) in time. Cinema is
time-based images.
This post has nothing to do with videoblogging (it could, but I'm
tired and want to go to bed), but I'll stand up for cinema until my
bloody, no doubt premature death. All I can say is that if our
definitions of videoblogging are as restrictive and reductive as this
definition of cinema, then we're simply not the right people to be
developing it--in fact, I'd argue that we'd be hindering it far more
than we'd be helping it.
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Re: [videoblogging] holographic data storage
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Re: [videoblogging] Define Videoblogging
oxymoron alert! there is no such thing as a correct model otherwise it would not be a model all models are approximations someday even physicist's will realize this and stop looking for the right one once a model is stamped correct, all you have is dogma Enric wrote: That model may be incomplete or innacurate, but it should be proposed and tested against competing models until the correct model is determined. Saying that no model should be tested is quite possibly a recipe for floundering and stagnation. -- Enric -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
It is more useful to have a model that applies somewhat than no model at all. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oxymoron alert! there is no such thing as a correct model otherwise it would not be a model all models are approximations someday even physicist's will realize this and stop looking for the right one once a model is stamped correct, all you have is dogma Enric wrote: That model may be incomplete or innacurate, but it should be proposed and tested against competing models until the correct model is determined. Saying that no model should be tested is quite possibly a recipe for floundering and stagnation. -- Enric -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it became a vibrant media once Griffith found and clearly displayed the 60-120 minute, three act model in Birth of a Nation. 'The Birth of a Nation' goes for 187 minutes. Just for the record. From a comment on Amazon.com on the running time of Birth of a Nation: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6305130949/104-5203272-5767925?v=glancen=130: Amazon offers eight or nine different prints of this film on video. They are of varying prices, and varying run times: I found run times of 124min., 125min., 158min., 159min., 190min., and 207min. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is the form of a duration around 90
minutes with three acts that does define the cinematic form.
This is so wrong it's not funny.
The length criterion (not to mention the absurd narrative-biased three
act structure criterion) completely disregards almost the entire
avant-garde movement, many films of which are decidedly more cinematic
than the narrative films you see to think define cinema (see Brakhage,
Breer, Mekas, Deren, VanDerBeek, Fischinger, Richter, and so on). It
also disregards masterpieces like 'Les Vampires' (399 min), Tarr's
'Sátántangó' (450 min), Lanzmann's 'Shoah' (544 min), and Rivette's
'Out 1' (729 min). I can assure you that these are among the most
cinematic films of all time.
The three act structure criterion doesn't just disregard films from
the avant-garde, either, but narrative films with one act (short
films), two acts ('Sleuth'), four ('Shoah'), more ('Playtime'), and so
on, as well. Again, all incredibly cinematic films.
Your definition of cinematic form seems to me to speak only of your
very limited understanding of everything that cinema is and can be.
It's like saying that literature is defined by novels of approximately
four hundred pages in length, as opposed to by words, any number of
them, arranged to make meaning, or to create aesthetic effect, no
more, no less.
It's like saying that music is defined by four quarter time
compositions that run for approximately three or four minutes and have
lyrics, often which rhyme, as opposed to by sounds, arranged by tone,
timbre, quality, and so on, for any length of time, again for some
sort of aesthetic effect, pleasurable or intentionally otherwise.
It's like saying that visual art is defined by one type of paint, on
canvas, hung on a wall somewhere in France, as opposed to by shapes,
colours, textures, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You see where I'm going.
Cinema is not defined--not in any way, shape or form--by films with
ninety minute running times and three act (narrative) structures.
It is defined by moving images (occasionally accompanied by sounds)
existing (they don't even have to be arranged) in time. Cinema is
time-based images.
Well, there's a definition of cinema, I would say too loosely defined.
But a start. I'm not proposing a restrictive defintion of
videoblogging. Just that it is more useful to have a workable
definition than none.
-- Enric
This post has nothing to do with videoblogging (it could, but I'm
tired and want to go to bed), but I'll stand up for cinema until my
bloody, no doubt premature death. All I can say is that if our
definitions of videoblogging are as restrictive and reductive as this
definition of cinema, then we're simply not the right people to be
developing it--in fact, I'd argue that we'd be hindering it far more
than we'd be helping it.
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Re: [videoblogging] block by block video
Joshua, it is so rare to have someone else take your idea and turn it into reality. I've always been one with many ideas and not enough time or energy or money for follow-through. This is a great idea! In fact, I've always toyed with the idea of having a "travel" TV show in which people who had visited a place would just sit on a panel and discuss what the place was like (with video and pictures). You have that here, in a way, but it has an "on demand" feature universal to vlogs! I'll certainly set out and do a short piece on Hoboken, NJ--which is a bedroom community for Manhattan and has become the Ft. Lauderdale of New Jersey where all the young people gather to party. I've always been amazed at how difficult it really is to get a feeling for a place from travel guides and brochures, etc. Vlogs will be especially good. I certainly got a feeling for what Providence, RI is like from Doug's vlogs. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Joshua Seiden To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:43 PM Subject: [videoblogging] block by block video I'd like to invite you all to help create a collaborative videoblog neighborhood guide. I've kicked it off here: http://wayfaring.com/maps/show/2721A few weeks ago, Randy Wicker shared an idea to create a video guide to our cities, towns, and neighborhoods. I thought, why not? I found a site that allows you to create community maps, and I've created one and linked to a few of my more place-based videos.A couple of thoughts:1. Right now, I've made no attempt to be "guide-like" in any way. I've just linked to some videos that I think give a sense of place. So it's more of an evocative guide than a factual one. But who knows how/if this will evolve?2. This seems like an obvious extension of vlogmap. I love vlogmap, but since it only maps entire vlogs not individual posts, it didn't seem as if it could accomplish the same thing. Perhaps someday...So...do you know something about a place? Add it to the map! (Just get yourself a free account on wayfaring.com, then edit the map.)I hope you'll all participate and/or share your thoughts.JS---http://more3.blogspot.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] block by block video
Glad you like it! Hope we can get some momentum going. It would be cool to be out on a trip in some anonymous city, (NY, Providence, Hoboken, Davis) staying in a hotel, and to be able to go to the map and see what different neighborhoods are like, based on the videos people have posted to the map. JSOn 12/17/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua, it is so rare to have someone else take your idea and turn it into reality. I've always been one with many ideas and not enough time or energy or money for follow-through. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] block by block video
On 12/17/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll certainly set out and do a short piece on Hoboken, NJ--which is a bedroom community for Manhattan and has become the Ft. Lauderdale of New Jersey where all the young people gather to party. You make it sound much more exciting than it is :) The Hoboken I know isn't really a place to party. It's where I work, go to Biaggio's Deli for pastrami sandwiches at lunch, buy cheap fruit and veggies at the greengrocer on 3rd and Washington, and generally get along with the older Italian and Jewish inhabitants better than I get along with the Ugg-wearing fashionistas or the strutting Wall Street greasers that pour out of the PATH station between 6 and 7 every evening. I do agree that young people gather to party here though. And this idea is a good one. I just signed up for wayfaring.com. I'll try to get something together. AQ bullemhead.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
Enric wrote: It is more useful to have a model that applies somewhat than no model at all. -- Enric i can't say i agree with that enric i think vlogs are more like canvas... i looked up the definition of canvas a few times all the ones i found were pretty lame and they have no bearing on what i might do artistically canvas is important to me for what it supports and how it can be used, not for how it's defined i am constantly finding new interpretations and uses of canvas attempting to model what i can do with canvas just seems limiting however, if you want a good definition of videoblogging, then listen to jonny goldstein's recent interview with Douglass Rushkoff videoblogging is the opportunity missed by current tv LOL http://wearethemedia.com/2005/12/16/rushkoff-on-videoblogging/ markus -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] just wanted to share this / found it in my lifehackers feed.
Thanks for this lead to a free program for converting MPEG AVI files. I've never understood what/why the reasons are for people putting "free programs" on the Internet. I understand some Linux users who passionately like the idea of open-source sharing. However, what is the reason for someone making iSquint available? There has to be an "economic game plan" involved in all of this. Likewise, I wonder what the economic game plan is for these sites that offer free hosting of videos or free services aggregating? Randolfe (Randy) Wickerhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: DOUG To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 7:36 AM Subject: [videoblogging] just wanted to share this / found it in my lifehackers feed. Free program iSquint converts your AVI and MPEG video files to iPod-compatible MP4 files.http://homepage.mac.com/tylerl82/ SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Define Videoblogging
I don't understand the need to "strictly define" videoblogging except to separate individually (or collectively) produced "independent"video from advertising trailers promoting a commercial product (movie trailers, etc.) The independence of unfettered personal _expression_ is key to defining vlogging in my mind. Randolfe (Randy) Wickerhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: Enric To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 7:57 AM Subject: [videoblogging] Define Videoblogging There's been a idea that has been promoted to not defineVideoblogging. That it is too soon, that defining it will lock itdown and constrain it, and so on. The error is that a model,definition, thesis is required to test if something is viable. Youdon't discover something by not applying a model to it, but by testingif a proposed model accurately describes the item in question.The video projects that are interesting and successful whether thehighly structured Rocket Boom or loosely structured Carp Caviar, havea understandable structure. Experimental films have existed sinceEdison and others invented the technology of filmmaking. But itbecame a vibrant media once Griffith found and clearly displayed the60-120 minute, three act model in "Birth of a Nation". Within thatclear models of genres and forms -- the science fiction, crime (withsubgenre of noire), romance (subgenres of romantic-comedy, etc.),comedy, etc. sub-models --- resolved into modes of film _expression_. It is a mistake to narrowly define an art form. To say thatvideoblogging is just personal diaries or citizen journalism oranother type of genre _expression_. This is like saying film isadventure. It may be that adventure (or romantic or crime) films arethe most prevalent genres, but they are not the only genres that canexist and are interesting. It is the form of a duration around 90minutes with three acts that does define the cinematic form. And itis a video with blogging capability that may be the correct model thatdifferent genres of videoblogging exist in. That model may beincomplete or innacurate, but it should be proposed and tested againstcompeting models until the correct model is determined. Saying thatno model should be tested is quite possibly a recipe for flounderingand stagnation. -- Enric YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
I want to second all that Jan has said. When I first stumbled onto the world of vlogging, she was one of the first people to take the trouble to respond to my questions about cameras, computers, etc. She is someone who has slaved selfishly to help build this community. And she, so far as I know, has gotten little attention or public appreciation for her efforts. Her reward has been in the warm good feelings she has earned in helping others and being part of this community. She talks about riding a horse. I think of her as modern day Joan of Arc. Let's just hope they don't burn her at the stake someday in one of these ugly flame wars. Randolfe (Randy) Wickerhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: Jan To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging For the record, I don't ever want a *job and yes, vlogging *is in most respects my life. I've been working toward creating things that are served by what vlogging offers since I was but a wee lass in saddle shoes. If you feel on the outside ask yourself this: why do you begrudge folks who make vlogging their life and livlihood and the attention that has brought them? Churn. Yes. Definitely helps to bring new, talented folks to the top of the pot.Most of the directories have restructured their sites to feature new vloggers. What more do you want? As MM points out, becoming part of the community, posting regularly, being active in lots of groups and community effortswill bring you up through the ranks. All the popular vloggers have done this and more, and worked tirelessly to create this community. If you are new here you have no idea the time and effort they have invested. If what you want is to walk through the door and be lifted upon others' shoulders and given a gratuitous round of "For he's a jolly good fellow," forget it. It's not going to happen without work. Lots of work. If you think that "posting" to this or any list community means posting your URL and telling folks to visit your vlog it's not going to work. Share your expertise. Do something. Anything. But make it open source and on some level selfless. As I'm fond of saying, "Work hard; use the proper tools." When did it become a sin to promote friends and family? You want me to promote you? Do some small thing for me and then I will. No question. You want me to promote you? Become my friend. That means talk with me, promote me, help me, console and advise me. I will do the same for you. Videoblogging is not television, nor is it Hollywood. We have yet to discover a vlog-voice in terms of what styles fit best in a 320 x 240 or smaller screen in 3 minutes or less. We have yet to discover a way to have vlog conversations, link-love, and quotations, back-and-forthing as simple as bloggers do that. I think the style will be closeups on faces and things. Good sound design. Good, compact ideas. In short, the short film closer in. It is still very early in the game, folks. Cooperation and community rule. Gettin' off my low pony now. XOXOX, Jan -- "It isn't done alone. Pay more." http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roadnode101/ - Road Node 101http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - motionhttp://blog.urbanartadventures.com - soundhttp://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - communityhttp://the-hold.blogspot.com - literature. - Original Message - From: Michael I To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging Phenomenal response!Lets bring this together, expose the trials and triumphs.Your only as good as the tools provided and your only as good as the people around you. What can be done to neutralize the negative emotions around this subject?Is this a medium that can change perception? How easy it for us to find good content and make new people feel welcome?With so many variables, where or how can this been taken to the next level?Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:30 PM, Michael I wrote: Uh not to flog a dead horse but I remember some time back when Josh Leo loudly said the same thing...same song, same arugement.Is this something that should be addressed? I do not know the complete tift here but reading Manchessemo's complaint here has been metioned numerous times.Why is this? does it put a black eye the promotion of videoblogging? Do arugements like this leave a bad taste in peoples mouths? With this new "media" are people struggling to stay at the top? and in
[videoblogging] Bi-Weekly Vlog Videoconference, 12/17/2005, 3:00 pm
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Re: [videoblogging] Define Videoblogging
On 12/17/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand the need to strictly define videoblogging except to separate individually (or collectively) produced independentvideo from advertising trailers promoting a commercial product (movie trailers, etc.) The independence of unfettered personal _expression_ is key to defining vlogging in my mind. And that is where it should stay, in your mind. There are videoblogs that do not rely on personal _expression_. MediaMatters. Crooks and Liars. ScienCentral. There are many genres of videoblogs. By the way, Sciencentral is great. I'm not sure if it's been mentioned before here. http://www.sciencentral.com/ http://www.sciencentral.com/feed.rss (no enclosures, just excerpts) AQ google.comRandolfe (Randy) Wicker http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: Enric To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 7:57 AM Subject: [videoblogging] Define Videoblogging There's been a idea that has been promoted to not defineVideoblogging. That it is too soon, that defining it will lock itdown and constrain it, and so on. The error is that a model,definition, thesis is required to test if something is viable. Youdon't discover something by not applying a model to it, but by testingif a proposed model accurately describes the item in question.The video projects that are interesting and successful whether thehighly structured Rocket Boom or loosely structured Carp Caviar, havea understandable structure. Experimental films have existed sinceEdison and others invented the technology of filmmaking. But itbecame a vibrant media once Griffith found and clearly displayed the60-120 minute, three act model in Birth of a Nation. Within thatclear models of genres and forms -- the science fiction, crime (withsubgenre of noire), romance (subgenres of romantic-comedy, etc.),comedy, etc. sub-models --- resolved into modes of film _expression_. It is a mistake to narrowly define an art form. To say thatvideoblogging is just personal diaries or citizen journalism oranother type of genre _expression_. This is like saying film isadventure. It may be that adventure (or romantic or crime) films arethe most prevalent genres, but they are not the only genres that canexist and are interesting. It is the form of a duration around 90minutes with three acts that does define the cinematic form. And itis a video with blogging capability that may be the correct model thatdifferent genres of videoblogging exist in. That model may beincomplete or innacurate, but it should be proposed and tested againstcompeting models until the correct model is determined. Saying thatno model should be tested is quite possibly a recipe for flounderingand stagnation. -- Enric YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] block by block video
It will be interesting to see different perspectives on living somewhere. I'm hardly a fan of the Wall Street greasers you describe. However, when some of them died on 9/11, the town built a monument to them. I see we do patronize the same green grocer at 3rd Washington Street. Ever compare grocery prices in Manhattan with those at the Hoboken Shoprite? You'll save enough to pay your Cable, Internet phone bill right there. Young people partying in Hoboken translate into no parking places, people pissing in the parks, screams and slamming car doors all hours of the night. I see them lined up to get into the club opposite the Post Office (the one with steroid-inflated bouncers) and shudder to think they're capable of reproducing. My interactions with locals (since 1976) has always surprised me. Some of them might as well have been living in Ohio. I remember several telling me that they hadn't been to Manhattan (7 minutes 30 cents to $1.50 away) in twenty years. Randolfe (Randy) WickerHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: Adam Quirk To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] block by block video On 12/17/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll certainly set out and do a short piece on Hoboken, NJ--which is a bedroom community for Manhattan and has become the Ft. Lauderdale of New Jersey where all the young people gather to party. You make it sound much more exciting than it is :)The Hoboken I know isn't really a place to party. It's where I work, go to Biaggio's Deli for pastrami sandwiches at lunch, buy cheap fruit and veggies at the greengrocer on 3rd and Washington, and generally get along with the older Italian and Jewish inhabitants better than I get along with the Ugg-wearing fashionistas or the strutting Wall Street greasers that pour out of the PATH station between 6 and 7 every evening.I do agree that young people gather to party here though.And this idea is a good one. I just signed up for wayfaring.com. I'll try to get something together. AQbullemhead.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
I always appreciate hearing Jan's voice of sanity. I'm the laughing woman, who would be laughing more had anything of substance I told the reporter showed up in the piece. Don't get me wrong -- any publicity is good publicity. The traffic spike has been just enough to tick off my host and mess with my head. For 15 seconds, I was almost famous! A good half hour talking to the reporter about participatory media and how vlogging is changing the business landscape results in the routine "look at this new thing called vlogging" story. How foolish of me to think the WSJ would actually put a business spin on the topic. I was idealistic enough to think that the story might prompt companies to seek out vloggers to advise them on how to leverage this new medium for bottom-line value such as creating relationships with customers, and demonstrating their products. I realize that it may be all her editor wanted/would accept. Fingers crossed that at some point, when there's a dearth of real stories, she'll revisit that material with a deeper view. The early days of evolution and revolution are going to be filled with the churn that's been mentioned. It's a good thing that some of you get ticked enough to say "what about me?". That way we'll all get represented somehow. I was only in that story because of a kind mention by someone else. The story needed an opening act, and they chose a clown. Not necessarily bad, that's my mission after all, but don't take it as a rejection of the serious vlogging many of you do. I am continually in awe of the talent, insight, skill, and vision of my fellow vloggers. I'd be more active in this group if not for the overwhelming pressure of my current (paid!) work. I'm keeping an eye on y'all though! Vlog on, people. I love ya! Laugh every day. Laugh for no reason. Laugh your stress away. --Beth - - Beth Agnew, Professor of Mirth laughpractice.blogspot.com http://tinyurl.com/83u5u YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/17/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand the need to strictly define videoblogging except to separate individually (or collectively) produced independent video from advertising trailers promoting a commercial product (movie trailers, etc.) The independence of unfettered personal expression is key to defining vlogging in my mind. And that is where it should stay, in your mind. Untested in peer review, not competing against other models, evolving slowly if at all. Disapearing should Randolfe not reach immortality. -- Enric There are videoblogs that do not rely on personal expression. MediaMatters. Crooks and Liars. ScienCentral. There are many genres of videoblogs. By the way, Sciencentral is great. I'm not sure if it's been mentioned before here. http://www.sciencentral.com/ http://www.sciencentral.com/feed.rss (no enclosures, just excerpts) AQ google.com Randolfe (Randy) Wicker http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - *From:* Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* videoblogging@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 7:57 AM *Subject:* [videoblogging] Define Videoblogging There's been a idea that has been promoted to not define Videoblogging. That it is too soon, that defining it will lock it down and constrain it, and so on. The error is that a model, definition, thesis is required to test if something is viable. You don't discover something by not applying a model to it, but by testing if a proposed model accurately describes the item in question. The video projects that are interesting and successful whether the highly structured Rocket Boom or loosely structured Carp Caviar, have a understandable structure. Experimental films have existed since Edison and others invented the technology of filmmaking. But it became a vibrant media once Griffith found and clearly displayed the 60-120 minute, three act model in Birth of a Nation. Within that clear models of genres and forms -- the science fiction, crime (with subgenre of noire), romance (subgenres of romantic-comedy, etc.), comedy, etc. sub-models --- resolved into modes of film expression. It is a mistake to narrowly define an art form. To say that videoblogging is just personal diaries or citizen journalism or another type of genre expression. This is like saying film is adventure. It may be that adventure (or romantic or crime) films are the most prevalent genres, but they are not the only genres that can exist and are interesting. It is the form of a duration around 90 minutes with three acts that does define the cinematic form. And it is a video with blogging capability that may be the correct model that different genres of videoblogging exist in. That model may be incomplete or innacurate, but it should be proposed and tested against competing models until the correct model is determined. Saying that no model should be tested is quite possibly a recipe for floundering and stagnation. -- Enric -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Remember when videoblogging was...
...independent journalism? ...connecting people? ...the occasional interesting artistic tidbit? ...criticized for being too banal? ...an endless debate on what it really was? Now it's just myspace.com with video. And it's worse than blogging, with all the self promotion. People seem to act like the more they throw their link around, the better chance they have of being famous. It wasn't about that. Or maybe I was just being naive to think that something interesting/important like this would not be marketed from within by a bunch of sellouts. I see a few projects with a purpose coming together, and perhaps the communications part is still a major use of videoblogging. Maybe there's hope. I was never part of an old boy's network, but I was videoblogging when there were a handful of people on this list. I have seen this whole thing get transformed into something I don't like. I even once left this list because I was causing trouble by criticizing folks who spammed up the place with pseudo-philosophical ramblings about the nature of videoblogging rather than simply making content. It was kinda funny how some people who never really made anything had the energy and insight to define it... Well what do I know, my RSS feed shows only a handful of the glorious number of subscribers I once had (when I cared and tried), who wants to listen to me? I guess I will just scour fireant for the occasional gem, and stay subscribed to some of the stalwarts who crank out decent stuff. Bottom line: you videoblog, don't quit your day job. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
Ha, I had mistakenly thought this conversation was dead. Here's something to think about for those that demand definition. Perhaps defintions are for those who can't simply enjoy something, or just plain don't get it? Definitions are a crutch. Go do something. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, chris_koehn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha, I had mistakenly thought this conversation was dead. Here's something to think about for those that demand definition. Perhaps defintions are for those who can't simply enjoy something, or just plain don't get it? Definitions are a crutch. Go do something. Or perhaps they are not. There's no contradiction between having a model and putting it in action (doing). -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Bi-Weekly Vlog Videoconference, 12/17/2005, 3:00 pm
My Groups | videoblogging Main Page Reminder from the Calendar of videoblogging Bi-Weekly Vlog Videoconference Saturday December 17, 2005 3:00 pm - 5:00 pm This event repeats every week. Event Location: Online Notes: http://www.voxmedia.org/wiki/Videoblogger_VideoconferencesCheck above link for GMT time and vidconference link. ADVERTISEMENT Copyright 2005 Yahoo! Inc.All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Remember when videoblogging was...
Do you really think videoblogging ISN'T those things, anymore? Has it really changed that much in such a brief period of time? The first three points on your list are exactly why I watch videoblogs, and the last one is why I avoid this yahoo group. Every day in my little aggregator I find gems in independent journalism, people connecting and MORE than the occasional artistic tidbit. Bigger than tidbits. Whole pieces, really. Mondo chunks. Mega slabs. You get the idea. Bekah --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, chris_koehn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...independent journalism? ...connecting people? ...the occasional interesting artistic tidbit? ...criticized for being too banal? ...an endless debate on what it really was? Now it's just myspace.com with video. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Remember when videoblogging was...
It has changed quite a bit. it hasn't gone way of mySpace otherwise we'd all be rich. I think it is harder now to find what you want...you have to filter. This is what happens when things be come pop then culture. --- missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you really think videoblogging ISN'T those things, anymore? Has it really changed that much in such a brief period of time? The first three points on your list are exactly why I watch videoblogs, and the last one is why I avoid this yahoo group. Every day in my little aggregator I find gems in independent journalism, people connecting and MORE than the occasional artistic tidbit. Bigger than tidbits. Whole pieces, really. Mondo chunks. Mega slabs. You get the idea. Bekah --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, chris_koehn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...independent journalism? ...connecting people? ...the occasional interesting artistic tidbit? ...criticized for being too banal? ...an endless debate on what it really was? Now it's just myspace.com with video. MIck I http://www.idvfilms.blogspot.com http://www.idvfilms.com Aloha __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Define Videoblogging
In my opinion vlogging is not a modele ( there is x modele of vlogging) may be a spirit the feeling of the media's mastering Loiez Le 17 déc. 05 à 20:03, Enric a écrit : Or perhaps they are not. There's no contradiction between having a model and putting it in action (doing). -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] what is vlogging...
In our corporate dominated culture, everyone has the right to free speech but not too many of us have the right to be heard. Well, that is going to change, my friends. Vlogging and blogging are going to allow anyone to be heard. Vlogging and blogging are our bullhorns, our pamphlets, our theaters, and our town halls. If we hang on to them, they will give us all the right to be heard. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] what is vlogging...
I would amend this to the opportunity to be heard or maybe the right to the opportunity... Remember, there is nothing obligating anyone to view your content just because you publish it. Viewers will always have the right to tune you out. -josh On 12/17/05, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In our corporate dominated culture, everyone has the right to free speech but not too many of us have the right to be heard. Well, that is going to change, my friends. Vlogging and blogging are going to allow anyone to be heard. Vlogging and blogging are our bullhorns, our pamphlets, our theaters, and our town halls. If we hang on to them, they will give us all the right to be heard. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/.QUssC/izNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] what is vlogging...
Le 17 déc. 05 à 21:03, Ron Watson a écrit : In our corporate dominated culture, everyone has the right to free speech but not too many of us have the right to be heard. Well, that is going to change, my friends. Vlogging and blogging are going to allow anyone to be heard. Vlogging and blogging are our bullhorns, our pamphlets, our theaters, and our town halls. If we hang on to them, they will give us all the right to be heard. My proposition Vlogging International Manifesto Since we refuse (say no to) the obviousnesses of formatted cultures, the domination of cultural patterns and the distorted connivence game between all the authorities, since we yearn for more solidarity in the representation of the world and its mutations, we — voluntary citizens —, pioneers of the new territories, artists, poets of our days and historians of our emotions, accountable for our viewpoints and thoughts, we claim our collective and shared place as major actors of the reflection of our societies. We commit ourselves to watering the fields of knowledge and history with a poetry grown in our daily life. Through solidarity, skills transfer, the capitalization of technologies, the pooling of our resources and a deep longing to attest for the lives we live, the groups we belong to, our tribes, our differences and everything which gathers us in a free and deeply human movement. Peacefully armed with our only video cameras and ourstill fresh will to be where there is never anybody, neither major TV company nor producers of stolen images for the benefit of profitable aims or the shade, we will only be present in the movement of our lives to reinvent art and the material for the media of the new worlds. All united, all media, to multiply our glances and our thoughts, the exchanges and confrontations of ideas in the respect of the others, of their culture and their perception of a one and only one earth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] what is vlogging...
This can only be enforced with STRICT and REGULAR purges and TESTS of the impure. I urge you to begin them immediately. Chris Weagel www.human-dog.com On Dec 17, 2005, at 3:16 PM, Loiez D. wrote: Le 17 déc. 05 à 21:03, Ron Watson a écrit : In our corporate dominated culture, everyone has the right to free speech but not too many of us have the right to be heard. Well, that is going to change, my friends. Vlogging and blogging are going to allow anyone to be heard. Vlogging and blogging are our bullhorns, our pamphlets, our theaters, and our town halls. If we hang on to them, they will give us all the right to be heard. My proposition Vlogging International Manifesto Since we refuse (say no to) the obviousnesses of formatted cultures, the domination of cultural patterns and the distorted connivence game between all the authorities, since we yearn for more solidarity in the representation of the world and its mutations, we — voluntary citizens —, pioneers of the new territories, artists, poets of our days and historians of our emotions, accountable for our viewpoints and thoughts, we claim our collective and shared place as major actors of the reflection of our societies. We commit ourselves to watering the fields of knowledge and history with a poetry grown in our daily life. Through solidarity, skills transfer, the capitalization of technologies, the pooling of our resources and a deep longing to attest for the lives we live, the groups we belong to, our tribes, our differences and everything which gathers us in a free and deeply human movement. Peacefully armed with our only video cameras and ourstill fresh will to be where there is never anybody, neither major TV company nor producers of stolen images for the benefit of profitable aims or the shade, we will only be present in the movement of our lives to reinvent art and the material for the media of the new worlds. All united, all media, to multiply our glances and our thoughts, the exchanges and confrontations of ideas in the respect of the others, of their culture and their perception of a one and only one earth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Loiez D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion vlogging is not a modele ( there is x modele of vlogging) may be a spirit the feeling of the media's mastering i like the sounds of that! i'm not one for dogma or definitions. but i've always been a sucker for manifestos. yes, let the purges begin. the pure of vlog need not worry! the judge: ManCheeseMo. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a comment on Amazon.com on the running time of Birth of a Nation: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6305130949/104-5203272-5767925?v=glancen=130: Amazon offers eight or nine different prints of this film on video. They are of varying prices, and varying run times: I found run times of 124min., 125min., 158min., 159min., 190min., and 207min. -- Enric Amazon.com is NOT an authority. Check the IMDb if you have to check anything. It's 187 minutes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Using feedburner's new feature feedflare to fix itunes
Howdy Rick, My compliments on the new features Feedflare. http://www.burningdoor.com/feedburner/archives/001543.htmlThis is an open letter to ask if you and the guys at feedburner would be willing to fix itunes.What specifically I mean is itunes supports plain-text ONLY, no formating, no links in their silly comments box. They do in fact NOT have any links anywhere back to the permalink page on which the podcast or video was posted.I find this a slap in the face of podcasters and vloggers everywhere as podcasting and video blogging have the opportunity to be much more than simply a broadcast medium. In fact many would say being able to comment is an essential feature of videoblogging and podcasting. Which is why EVERY OTHER RSS READER HAS CLICKABLE PERMALINKS. Sorry, I just wanted to be clear about that.Anyway, my friends try to console me in my constant bitching that it's not that apple is evil, but just that they didn't have a good mechanism for displaying rich text, that they're sort of clueless. And so I've waited. However it's been to long, I would have thought they'd fix it by now in one of the many version updates that have come out. In fact apple has now put in links back to the homepage of the blog for every post, right near the podcast title, but STILL no link directly to the permalink page... I'm beginning to find it impossible that they're that clueless and am beginning to wonder if it's not part of some diabolical plan to either undermine the success of podcasting, or just to see if they can't piss absolutely everyone in this community off. Well, I'm pissed off, but I don't get made I find solutions... and maybe get even. ;)So how can you help? Simple... you should, might, could, add in plain-text permalinks into a feed at the end of the description field.. it would then be readable and copyable right from itunes info box. Easy for you to implement in a feed and much better than thousands of users having to go to a blog and browse around and look for the right post so they can read or comment upon it. Example below.Comment! http://permalink.com/blog/post.htmlWell, you get the idea, i just wish apple did. Of course you could add your other features of your FeedFlair like emailing and delicious too. Just as long as your urls aren't to long. And of course you have control of that too.How to do this... 1) Well the easiest way would just be to put a switch into the feed and just allow people to turn it on.. call it the "fix itunes" switch. I'm sure it'll not only get peoples attention, but get blogged about a bit too. ;)2) Option two, detect feed calls from itunes... would work great, but requires some spryness on your part... then just put in the permalink at the very end of the post no matter what. Won't get you much publicity though, just help out the community.I suggest option one, you might put have an optional checkbox put in where people can add the additional feature as follows.Tell apple to fix these permalinks in iTunes!http://feedburner.com/form/to/email/apple/supportBe as nice or evil about it as you like, but if nothing else all the attention and publicity you'll get out of it will help you, help your customers and give apple a wake up call so maybe they'll fix it a little sooner.Thanks!-MikeMichael Meiser[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuffhttp://mmeiser.com/backchannel - del.icio.us link bloghttp://evilvlog.com - serious lunacy has a new domainhttp://mefeedia.com - I love mefeedia YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Remember when videoblogging was...
God, you're right. Call in the UN. A great tragedy has befallen this once great giant. I sob for those days when it was just Jay and I in a tent together working on our novels. Jesus. This has caused me to really look into my life and really question things. As a result I'm going to go off into the forest for a few months and get re-acquainted with the video-blogging I knew. Thanks for this awakening. You have any workbooks or seminars that I could buy/attend? Chris Weagel www.human-dog.com On Dec 17, 2005, at 1:53 PM, chris_koehn wrote: ...independent journalism? ...connecting people? ...the occasional interesting artistic tidbit? ...criticized for being too banal? ...an endless debate on what it really was? Now it's just myspace.com with video. And it's worse than blogging, with all the self promotion. People seem to act like the more they throw their link around, the better chance they have of being famous. It wasn't about that. Or maybe I was just being naive to think that something interesting/important like this would not be marketed from within by a bunch of sellouts. I see a few projects with a purpose coming together, and perhaps the communications part is still a major use of videoblogging. Maybe there's hope. I was never part of an old boy's network, but I was videoblogging when there were a handful of people on this list. I have seen this whole thing get transformed into something I don't like. I even once left this list because I was causing trouble by criticizing folks who spammed up the place with pseudo-philosophical ramblings about the nature of videoblogging rather than simply making content. It was kinda funny how some people who never really made anything had the energy and insight to define it... Well what do I know, my RSS feed shows only a handful of the glorious number of subscribers I once had (when I cared and tried), who wants to listen to me? I guess I will just scour fireant for the occasional gem, and stay subscribed to some of the stalwarts who crank out decent stuff. Bottom line: you videoblog, don't quit your day job. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, there's a definition of cinema, I would say too loosely defined. But a start. I'm not proposing a restrictive defintion of videoblogging. Just that it is more useful to have a workable definition than none. -- Enric Oh, come off it. The moment you add anything to that description you're essentially disregarding whole groups of very cinematic films. Do you know anything about scientific names? Well, cinema is a phylum, not a species. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Remember when videoblogging was...
chris_koehn wrote: ...independent journalism? ...connecting people? ...the occasional interesting artistic tidbit? ...criticized for being too banal? ...an endless debate on what it really was? Ah, the good ole' days. Strange the compressed time schedule these days. It used to be something had to be around for more than a couple of years before we started talking about good ole' days. Oh well. Clint -- Clint Sharp New Media Guy Technologist ClintSharp.com Contact Info: http://clintsharp.com/contact/ We are the media. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Remember when videoblogging was...
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, chris_koehn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...an endless debate on what it really was? Sure, but right now I'm feeling like I have to argue on behalf of cinema in general. Crazy stuff... I even once left this list because I was causing trouble by criticizing folks who spammed up the place with pseudo-philosophical ramblings about the nature of videoblogging rather than simply making content. It was kinda funny how some people who never really made anything had the energy and insight to define it... I agree with a lot of what you have to say about people videoblogging for self-serving purporses (but, then, a lot of people do a lot of things for self-serving purposes; it's the nature of people), but I think this here is a little wrongheaded. Non-practicing critics, academics, and so on, are to some extent--a great extent, I would argue--required. You might not think so, but videoblogs are ripe for academic study (I'm going to be writing a thesis on them soon, and am currently preparing a paper on 'Chasing Windmills'; I'm also a practicing videoblogger, however, so perhaps that doesn't count). Sometimes the people in the midst of a movement lack the skills or, in your case, desire to theorise it in the context of art history, socio-political history, psychoanalysis, feminism, all these various fields of thought. You might think it wank, but so be it. Remember, Chris, the videoblogger isn't an island. While we might develop and further the form from within, we ourselves are influenced from without. Academic discourse, criticism, and so on, can help us to see where we've come from and where we might go. Pseudo-philosophical ramblings are worth something. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] what is vlogging...
You tell em Josh! Chris Weagel www.human-dog.com On Dec 17, 2005, at 3:07 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: I would amend this to the opportunity to be heard or maybe the right to the opportunity... Remember, there is nothing obligating anyone to view your content just because you publish it. Viewers will always have the right to tune you out. -josh On 12/17/05, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In our corporate dominated culture, everyone has the right to free speech but not too many of us have the right to be heard. Well, that is going to change, my friends. Vlogging and blogging are going to allow anyone to be heard. Vlogging and blogging are our bullhorns, our pamphlets, our theaters, and our town halls. If we hang on to them, they will give us all the right to be heard. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/.QUssC/izNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: what is vlogging...
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would amend this to the opportunity to be heard or maybe the right to the opportunity... And that's what counts. The read-write web has turned negative liberties into positive liberties. At least for some. I don't think we should ever stop reminding ourselves that while, yes, while we now have a very real opportunity to be heard, there still exists a very real digital divide, in developed countries as much as anywhere else. It's one thing for us to shoot those people's stories and upload them, but it's another to erode that divide and let them do it themselves. That should be the goal, in which case our focus needs to be not only on videoblogging, but in the real world, offline, as well, where the right to the opportunity to be heard still isn't actually a right, but a privelage. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: what is vlogging...
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Weagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This can only be enforced with STRICT and REGULAR purges and TESTS of the impure. I urge you to begin them immediately. Chris Weagel www.human-dog.com Videobloggers of the world, unite! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: what is vlogging...
We were the media --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Weagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This can only be enforced with STRICT and REGULAR purges and TESTS of the impure. I urge you to begin them immediately. Chris Weagel www.human-dog.com Videobloggers of the world, unite! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/.QUssC/izNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: what is vlogging...
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We were the media Actually, I've always had a problem with the term we are the media. I mean, do we really want to be the media? The media are evil. I personally think the 'the' should have been removed. We are media. (Hear us roar.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Using feedburner's new feature feedflare to fix itunes
My reply to Michael (sent privately earlier, hadn't realized he'd posted in the group as well): Michael - I actually met for a few hours with the iTunes podcasting team this week in San Francisco, and better rendering of show notes, links to items, comments, etc. was high on my list of requests. As soon as I have an ETA, I'll be sure to let you know. For what it's worth, I think Apple's turning a corner with respect to the communication on this (podcast support, that is). They recognize that their engagement with the community has been lacking, and are working hard to fix it. One early indicator of this is that Apple is now supporting ping notifications of podcast updates - something that they had never done before (despite requests from us and no doubt many others). They're now a default ping recipient for all FeedBurner ping updates. There's more coming, which we'll work hard to communicate proactively as we're able. I also anticipate that Apple will do a much better job of communicating its priorities and developments. Keep in touch, and let me know how I can help. Regards, Rick Rick Klau VP, Business Development FeedBurner - http://www.feedburner.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM/Y!/Skype: RickKlau office: 312.756.0022 x2012 direct: 312.239-0727 cell: 630.362.8911 Breathe more life into your content with FeedBurner's latest offering, FeedFlare. Let subscribers email, tag and share your content in the wild. http://www.burningdoor.com/feedburner/archives/001543.html --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Rick, My compliments on the new features Feedflare. http://www.burningdoor.com/feedburner/archives/001543.html This is an open letter to ask if you and the guys at feedburner would be willing to fix itunes. What specifically I mean is itunes supports plain-text ONLY, no formating, no links in their silly comments box. They do in fact NOT have any links anywhere back to the permalink page on which the podcast or video was posted. I find this a slap in the face of podcasters and vloggers everywhere as podcasting and video blogging have the opportunity to be much more than simply a broadcast medium. In fact many would say being able to comment is an essential feature of videoblogging and podcasting. Which is why EVERY OTHER RSS READER HAS CLICKABLE PERMALINKS. Sorry, I just wanted to be clear about that. Anyway, my friends try to console me in my constant bitching that it's not that apple is evil, but just that they didn't have a good mechanism for displaying rich text, that they're sort of clueless. And so I've waited. However it's been to long, I would have thought they'd fix it by now in one of the many version updates that have come out. In fact apple has now put in links back to the homepage of the blog for every post, right near the podcast title, but STILL no link directly to the permalink page... I'm beginning to find it impossible that they're that clueless and am beginning to wonder if it's not part of some diabolical plan to either undermine the success of podcasting, or just to see if they can't piss absolutely everyone in this community off. Well, I'm pissed off, but I don't get made I find solutions... and maybe get even. ;) So how can you help? Simple... you should, might, could, add in plain-text permalinks into a feed at the end of the description field.. it would then be readable and copyable right from itunes info box. Easy for you to implement in a feed and much better than thousands of users having to go to a blog and browse around and look for the right post so they can read or comment upon it. Example below. Comment! http://permalink.com/blog/post.html Well, you get the idea, i just wish apple did. Of course you could add your other features of your FeedFlair like emailing and delicious too. Just as long as your urls aren't to long. And of course you have control of that too. How to do this... 1) Well the easiest way would just be to put a switch into the feed and just allow people to turn it on.. call it the fix itunes switch. I'm sure it'll not only get peoples attention, but get blogged about a bit too. ;) 2) Option two, detect feed calls from itunes... would work great, but requires some spryness on your part... then just put in the permalink at the very end of the post no matter what. Won't get you much publicity though, just help out the community. I suggest option one, you might put have an optional checkbox put in where people can add the additional feature as follows. Tell apple to fix these permalinks in iTunes! http://feedburner.com/form/to/email/apple/support Be as nice or evil about it as you like, but if nothing else all the attention and publicity you'll get out of it will help you, help your customers and give apple a wake up call so maybe
Re: [videoblogging] Re: what is vlogging...
we will be "the" media ?Le 17 déc. 05 à 22:47, Chuck Olsen a écrit : We were the media --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Clayfield" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Weagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This can only be enforced with STRICT and REGULAR purges and TESTS of the impure. I urge you to begin them immediately. Chris Weagel www.human-dog.comVideobloggers of the world, unite! YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: what is vlogging...
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Loiez D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we will be the media? A media, among many. There will be no 'the.' Now, *this* is absurd... :D Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: what is vlogging...
Désolé, j'ai peut-être fait un contresens et il serait plus facile pour moi de m'exprimer en français ;-(LoiezWhy you don't speak french ? and spanish, turkish, german..Le 17 déc. 05 à 23:07, Matthew Clayfield a écrit : --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Loiez D." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we will be "the" media? A media, among many. There will be no 'the.' Now, *this* is absurd... :D SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: what is vlogging...
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Loiez D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why you don't speak french ? and spanish, turkish, german.. Because I can't! Puisque je ne peux pas! Weil ich nicht kann! ¡Porque no puedo! And so on and so forth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/.QUssC/izNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: what is vlogging...
Sorry for this thread i was angry ;-n because it's difficult to be a citizen of the world But I think vlogging could be a way for that Peace, love, and vlogging for all !!! Loiez Le 17 déc. 05 à 23:29, Matthew Clayfield a écrit : And so on and so forth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, there's a definition of cinema, I would say too loosely defined. But a start. I'm not proposing a restrictive defintion of videoblogging. Just that it is more useful to have a workable definition than none. -- Enric Oh, come off it. The moment you add anything to that description you're essentially disregarding whole groups of very cinematic films. Do you know anything about scientific names? Well, cinema is a phylum, not a species. RSS, OPML, HTTP are imperfect standards. But they're quite useful. A model not need to be general to the point that it must fit every possibility present and to the future. Some models are more useful when defining the general qualities of a subject and leaving out the outliers. It's not a crime to have models (or to skateboard.) -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: what is vlogging...
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We were the media Actually, I've always had a problem with the term we are the media. I mean, do we really want to be the media? The media are evil. I personally think the 'the' should have been removed. We are media. (Hear us roar.) For now we are human beings that produce and consume media through tools. Have to wait for nanotechnology and genetical capabilities to be media. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] PAL vs NTSC Cameras for vlogging...does it really matter?
Hi, I am considering buying a camera and am curious if it really matters which format I use if my video is going to end up online. I will be filming in Kenya, which is in the PAL half of the world and my friends tell me I should get a PAL camera. Does it really matter? regards,vincent SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not a crime to have models... And I'm not saying it is. And I'm still not talking about videoblogging. You didn't say that a certain form was or could be a model for a certain type of cinema, Enric, you said that a certain form defined cinema. Whether you like it or not, this is wrong. If nothing else, you're confusing models and definitions. A definition is a statement conveying the fundamental character of a thing. The fundamental character of the cinema is images existing in time, not ninety minute narratives with three acts. That's the fundamental character of but one of many possible models for many possible types of cinema, not cinema itself, which is what you said. A model is work, construction, or in this case, schema, that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made. It has nothing to do with fundamental characteristics of a thing, but with the imposition of paradigmatic reductions and limitations on those characteristics, with specifics. I agree that models--both in practice and in theory--can be valuable to videoblogging as to any art, as long as they remain models and don't, as Markus wisely warns, ossify into dogmas. But models are not definitions, Enric. And your definition of cinema was wrong. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: what is vlogging...
Define mediaEnric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Clayfield" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Olsen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:We were the mediaActually, I've always had a problem with the term "we are the media." I mean, do we really want to be the media? The media are evil.I personally think the 'the' should have been removed.We are media. (Hear us roar.) For now we are human beings that produce and consume media through tools. Have to wait for nanotechnology and genetical capabilities to be media. -- Enric MIck Ihttp://www.idvfilms.blogspot.comhttp://www.idvfilms.comAloha__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: what is vlogging...
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For now we are human beings that produce and consume media through tools. Have to wait for nanotechnology and genetical capabilities to be media. Sigh. Enric, that remains true with or without the 'the'. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a comment on Amazon.com on the running time of Birth of a Nation: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6305130949/104-5203272-5767925?v=glancen=130: Amazon offers eight or nine different prints of this film on video. They are of varying prices, and varying run times: I found run times of 124min., 125min., 158min., 159min., 190min., and 207min. -- Enric Amazon.com is NOT an authority. Check the IMDb if you have to check anything. It's 187 minutes. From IMDB.COM, http://imdb.com/title/tt0004972/: 190 min (16 fps) / USA:125 min (video version) / USA:187 min (DVD) My 1992 video version is 187 minutes. Birth of a Nation has had different running times depending on what the various distibutors over time thought worked best. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
Amazon offers eight or nine different prints of this film on video. They are of varying prices, and varying run times: I found run times of 124min., 125min., 158min., 159min., 190min., and 207min. Wow, what a great idea. I'd love to be able to order a film at the length I prefer. Imagine King Kong at around 5 minutes. It might even be interesting enough to actually watch. Regards, Richard -- Vlog: http://www.kashum.com Feed: http://www.kashum.com/rss2.xml Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: what is vlogging...
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:00:09 +0100, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For now we are human beings that produce and consume media through tools. Have to wait for nanotechnology and genetical capabilities to be media. Since I managed to bring up McLuhan in the video conference today: We don't consume media. Media are extension of ourselves (that's why that one book is titled understanding media - the extensions of man). I'll go to bed now. I'm not even that much of a McLuhan fan (sorry, Schlomo!) - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not a crime to have models... And I'm not saying it is. And I'm still not talking about videoblogging. You didn't say that a certain form was or could be a model for a certain type of cinema, Enric, you said that a certain form defined cinema. Whether you like it or not, this is wrong. If nothing else, you're confusing models and definitions. A definition is a statement conveying the fundamental character of a thing. The fundamental character of the cinema is images existing in time, not ninety minute narratives with three acts. That's the fundamental character of but one of many possible models for many possible types of cinema, not cinema itself, which is what you said. A model is work, construction, or in this case, schema, that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made. It has nothing to do with fundamental characteristics of a thing, but with the imposition of paradigmatic reductions and limitations on those characteristics, with specifics. I agree that models--both in practice and in theory--can be valuable to videoblogging as to any art, as long as they remain models and don't, as Markus wisely warns, ossify into dogmas. But models are not definitions, Enric. And your definition of cinema was wrong. This is correct. I should have used the word model and it's synonyms. (Though finding the definition providing the fundatmental characteristic of videoblogging will also be useful.) -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:21:47 +0100, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazon offers eight or nine different prints of this film on video. They are of varying prices, and varying run times: I found run times of 124min., 125min., 158min., 159min., 190min., and 207min. Wow, what a great idea. I'd love to be able to order a film at the length I prefer. Imagine King Kong at around 5 minutes. It might even be interesting enough to actually watch. For my very first videoblog entry I used book-a-minute to create a 30 second version of Shakespeare's Julius Ceasar: URL: http://www.solitude.dk/archives/20040626-1828/ I see there's a movie-a-minute website now. Maybe it's time to get cranking. :o) URL: http://rinkworks.com/movieaminute/ Maybe The Professional can be the first project? URL: http://rinkworks.com/movieaminute/m/professional.shtml - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imagine King Kong at around 5 minutes. There's a vlog entry in that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Birth of a Nation has had different running times depending on what the various distibutors over time thought worked best. Oh, so cinema became, as you say, a vibrant media once the *distributors* found and clearly displayed the 60-120 minute, three act model in 'Birth of a Nation', *not* Griffith, the artist, who you originally cited, and whose cut was 187 minutes long. Okay, cool. I see where you're coming from now. I was obviously unaware that the distributors were the ones who were determining what forms define cinema. And here I was thinking that artists develop art forms! Just a statement of fact, not value. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [videoblogging] PAL vs NTSC Cameras for vlogging...does it really matter?
Hi, I am considering buying a camera and am curious if it really matters which format I use if my video is going to end up online. I will be filming in Kenya, which is in the PAL half of the world and my friends tell me I should get a PAL camera. Does it really matter? regards, vincent SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though finding the definition providing the fundatmental characteristic of videoblogging will also be useful. The fundamental characteristic of videoblogging is time-based images exisiting in a more or less permeable network context. The more permeable the better. It's a shame more people don't listen to Adrian Miles. If cinema is a phylum, videoblogging is a genus. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/.QUssC/izNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a statement of fact, not value. You were contradicting yourself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
Amazon.com is NOT an authority. Check the IMDb if you have to check anything. i think Amazon owns IMDB. -Josh Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Remember when videoblogging was...
Make some more p-money bird vids while you're at it ;) Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Weagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God, you're right. Call in the UN. A great tragedy has befallen this once great giant. I sob for those days when it was just Jay and I in a tent together working on our novels. Jesus. This has caused me to really look into my life and really question things. As a result I'm going to go off into the forest for a few months and get re-acquainted with the video-blogging I knew. Thanks for this awakening. You have any workbooks or seminars that I could buy/attend? Chris Weagel www.human-dog.com On Dec 17, 2005, at 1:53 PM, chris_koehn wrote: ...independent journalism? ...connecting people? ...the occasional interesting artistic tidbit? ...criticized for being too banal? ...an endless debate on what it really was? Now it's just myspace.com with video. And it's worse than blogging, with all the self promotion. People seem to act like the more they throw their link around, the better chance they have of being famous. It wasn't about that. Or maybe I was just being naive to think that something interesting/important like this would not be marketed from within by a bunch of sellouts. I see a few projects with a purpose coming together, and perhaps the communications part is still a major use of videoblogging. Maybe there's hope. I was never part of an old boy's network, but I was videoblogging when there were a handful of people on this list. I have seen this whole thing get transformed into something I don't like. I even once left this list because I was causing trouble by criticizing folks who spammed up the place with pseudo-philosophical ramblings about the nature of videoblogging rather than simply making content. It was kinda funny how some people who never really made anything had the energy and insight to define it... Well what do I know, my RSS feed shows only a handful of the glorious number of subscribers I once had (when I cared and tried), who wants to listen to me? I guess I will just scour fireant for the occasional gem, and stay subscribed to some of the stalwarts who crank out decent stuff. Bottom line: you videoblog, don't quit your day job. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a statement of fact, not value. You were contradicting yourself. You're correct on that point. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think Amazon owns IMDB. Really? Wow. I had no idea. What u$e could they po$$ibly have with a $ite like that, I wonder? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please explain and/or example permeable network context. The multidirectional communication flow of the internet. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please explain and/or example permeable network context. The multidirectional communication flow of the internet. OK, what about the blog part of videoblogging -- linking, serial content and immediate comments? -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please explain and/or example permeable network context. The multidirectional communication flow of the internet. OK, what about the blog part of videoblogging -- linking, serial content and immediate comments? -- Enric Oops, that's a subset of multidirectional communication flow of the internet. Nevermind. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
At 0:03 + 18/12/05, Enric wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you guys having fun with this? I hope so, because its starting to drag on a little... Maybe you should do a video about it? :-) Regards Richard Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 0:03 + 18/12/05, Enric wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you guys having fun with this? I hope so, because its starting to drag on a little... Maybe you should do a video about it? :-) Regards Richard Meta is useful at times. I learned something. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you guys having fun with this? I hope so, because its starting to drag on a little... Starting? A little? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
At 0:12 + 18/12/05, Matthew Clayfield wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you guys having fun with this? I hope so, because its starting to drag on a little... Starting? A little? It's all about the tension over time. We'll come to that later in our series. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
which would make videobloggers all gen(i)uses ;-/ On Dec 17, 2005, at 6:42 PM, Matthew Clayfield wrote: If cinema is a phylum, videoblogging is a genus. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/.QUssC/izNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Define....
This is just too much... I liked this group the first week but you all seem so worried about nothing... OH Richard nice Rocketboom !! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's all about the tension over time. We'll come to that later in our series. :-) Actually, I can't think of a worse example of storytelling than discussion list topics! They suck hard when it comes time to move from action to conclusion... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Define....
Don't judge us all over a zealous conversation b/n a few people some conversations are better carried on off-list. -Josh On 12/17/05, jeffrey_harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is just too much... I liked this group the first week but you all seem so worried about nothing... OH Richard nice Rocketboom !! Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which would make videobloggers all gen(i)uses ;-/ Ha ha. Seriously, though, we might say that if videoblogging is a genus, then the various types of videoblogging (personal, citizen journalism, experimental, fictional, etc.) are species (which can cross-breed, obviously) and genres within those types (the usual ones, such as comedy, drama, etc.) are races, though race isn't really an aspect of scientific classification (and I wouldn't like to think that it could be). Maybe videoblogging isn't a genus, but a family, in which case the type of videoblogging is the genus and genres are species. Regardless, the analogy doesn't need to be perfect, and, needless, can't be. It's just fun to talk about videoblogging as if it were a living creature. Which, of course, it is. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define....
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't judge us all over a zealous conversation b/n a few people some conversations are better carried on off-list. Or maybe it's better not to talk about such things at all! Surely it's important for videobloggers to talk about what it is they're doing, not only in a practical sense, but in a theoretical sense as well. If we can work out where we are and how we got here, we can develop ways of moving forward. If we're not going to discuss what videoblogging is, how are we going to know what it can be? The idea of just letting things go and letting the chips fall where they may is in my mind a reactionary position. Practice and theory should coexist. I'm sure the notion that theory is all that matters is one that everyone here, almost without exception, would object to. Well, the notion that practice is all that matters--or that zealous conversations should be kept off-list--is just as wrongheaded. Sure, I could always make a video, but it seems to me that meta-vlogging isn't really all that popular. I'd probably be better off making the obligatory cooking video. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Remember when videoblogging was...
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Make some more p-money bird vids while you're at it ;)
Susan
http://vlog.kitykity.com
Susan, I think you have Bottom Union mixed up with Human Dog. We have nothing
to do
with Human Dog and the flith they're spewing over there.
Erik Nelson
www.bottomunion.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Weagel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
God, you're right.
Call in the UN. A great tragedy has befallen this once great giant.
I sob for those days when it was just Jay and I in a tent together
working on our novels.
Jesus. This has caused me to really look into my life and really
question things.
As a result I'm going to go off into the forest for a few months and
get re-acquainted with the video-blogging I knew.
Thanks for this awakening.
You have any workbooks or seminars that I could buy/attend?
Chris Weagel
www.human-dog.com
On Dec 17, 2005, at 1:53 PM, chris_koehn wrote:
...independent journalism?
...connecting people?
...the occasional interesting artistic tidbit?
...criticized for being too banal?
...an endless debate on what it really was?
Now it's just myspace.com with video. And it's worse than blogging,
with all the self
promotion. People seem to act like the more they throw their link
around, the better
chance they have of being famous. It wasn't about that. Or maybe I
was just being naive to
think that something interesting/important like this would not be
marketed from within by
a bunch of sellouts.
I see a few projects with a purpose coming together, and perhaps
the communications
part is still a major use of videoblogging. Maybe there's hope. I
was never part of an old
boy's network, but I was videoblogging when there were a handful of
people on this list. I
have seen this whole thing get transformed into something I don't
like. I even once left
this list because I was causing trouble by criticizing folks who
spammed up the place with
pseudo-philosophical ramblings about the nature of videoblogging
rather than simply
making content. It was kinda funny how some people who never really
made anything had
the energy and insight to define it...
Well what do I know, my RSS feed shows only a handful of the
glorious number of
subscribers I once had (when I cared and tried), who wants to
listen to me? I guess I will
just scour fireant for the occasional gem, and stay subscribed to
some of the stalwarts
who crank out decent stuff.
Bottom line: you videoblog, don't quit your day job.
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[videoblogging] Re: Define....
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't judge us all over a zealous conversation b/n a few people some conversations are better carried on off-list. Or maybe it's better not to talk about such things at all! Surely it's important for videobloggers to talk about what it is they're doing, not only in a practical sense, but in a theoretical sense as well. If we can work out where we are and how we got here, we can develop ways of moving forward. If we're not going to discuss what videoblogging is, how are we going to know what it can be? The idea of just letting things go and letting the chips fall where they may is in my mind a reactionary position. Practice and theory should coexist. I'm sure the notion that theory is all that matters is one that everyone here, almost without exception, would object to. Well, the notion that practice is all that matters--or that zealous conversations should be kept off-list--is just as wrongheaded. Sure, I could always make a video, but it seems to me that meta-vlogging isn't really all that popular. I'd probably be better off making the obligatory cooking video. And a journalist who asks question like -- isn't videobloging just diaries and narcissism -- can be pointed to a workable defintion and models for types of videoblogs. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
This is a very controversial film. No doubt there are several different cuts floating around out there. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazon offers eight or nine different prints of this film on video. They are of varying prices, and varying run times: I found run times of 124min., 125min., 158min., 159min., 190min., and 207min. Wow, what a great idea. I'd love to be able to order a film at the length I prefer. Imagine King Kong at around 5 minutes. It might even be interesting enough to actually watch. Regards, Richard -- Vlog: http://www.kashum.com Feed: http://www.kashum.com/rss2.xml Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
Bill - You just nailed it. Well done.On 12/17/05, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a very controversial film. No doubt there are several different cuts floating around out there. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazon offers eight or nine different prints of this film on video. They are of varying prices, and varying run times: I found run times of 124min., 125min., 158min., 159min., 190min., and 207min. Wow, what a great idea. I'd love to be able to order a film at the length I prefer. Imagine King Kong at around 5 minutes. It might even be interesting enough to actually watch. Regards, Richard -- Vlog: http://www.kashum.com Feed: http://www.kashum.com/rss2.xml SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ted Tagamitagami.comU N I V E R S U S YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] such a Simpleton! Compression
I just decided to learn how to vblog. It actually doesn't look to bad except that I can't get past a very basic step. I went to the Free Vlog tutorial at: http://freevlog.org/#compress I am using a Dell 4550 PC and have Windows Movie Maker. So I opened WMM and dragged and dropped an video clip (.avi) onto it while I was watching the tutorial video on compressing with WMM. On the tutorial it says to click on Save Movie and then go to other and to NTSC 768 etc. Well for the life of me I can't seem to find the Save Movie button and options to do the other and NTSC 768. [in fact that whole row is missing I see the menu items -file-edit-view- like in the tutorial and I see the row of items below that has undo, redo, tasks, collections and that window, BUT the row with Save Movie Send Record is completely missing). I did a get info about Movie Maker and it says Microsoft Windows Movie Maker Version 5.1 (Build 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519: Service Pack 2) Copyright 1981-2001 Microsoft Corp. Windows Movie Maker Version 2.1.4026.0 Do I have an old version that needs updating? Or am I just blind (probably)? I can't get past step .5 on the compression of the video so I can then upload to ourmedia/internetarchive. Can someone please help me here? thanks, Joseph Puentes http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Remember when videoblogging was...
Useful email tip: Set the junk mail filters in your mail program to exclude and automatically delete mail from distasteful posters. Chris Weagel www.human-dog.com On Dec 17, 2005, at 8:08 PM, bottomunion wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make some more p-money bird vids while you're at it ;) Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com Susan, I think you have Bottom Union mixed up with Human Dog. We have nothing to do with Human Dog and the flith they're spewing over there. Erik Nelson www.bottomunion.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Weagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God, you're right. Call in the UN. A great tragedy has befallen this once great giant. I sob for those days when it was just Jay and I in a tent together working on our novels. Jesus. This has caused me to really look into my life and really question things. As a result I'm going to go off into the forest for a few months and get re-acquainted with the video-blogging I knew. Thanks for this awakening. You have any workbooks or seminars that I could buy/attend? Chris Weagel www.human-dog.com On Dec 17, 2005, at 1:53 PM, chris_koehn wrote: ...independent journalism? ...connecting people? ...the occasional interesting artistic tidbit? ...criticized for being too banal? ...an endless debate on what it really was? Now it's just myspace.com with video. And it's worse than blogging, with all the self promotion. People seem to act like the more they throw their link around, the better chance they have of being famous. It wasn't about that. Or maybe I was just being naive to think that something interesting/important like this would not be marketed from within by a bunch of sellouts. I see a few projects with a purpose coming together, and perhaps the communications part is still a major use of videoblogging. Maybe there's hope. I was never part of an old boy's network, but I was videoblogging when there were a handful of people on this list. I have seen this whole thing get transformed into something I don't like. I even once left this list because I was causing trouble by criticizing folks who spammed up the place with pseudo-philosophical ramblings about the nature of videoblogging rather than simply making content. It was kinda funny how some people who never really made anything had the energy and insight to define it... Well what do I know, my RSS feed shows only a handful of the glorious number of subscribers I once had (when I cared and tried), who wants to listen to me? I guess I will just scour fireant for the occasional gem, and stay subscribed to some of the stalwarts who crank out decent stuff. Bottom line: you videoblog, don't quit your day job. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM --- - ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] such a Simpleton! Compression
Hey Joseph, Sorry about that. The tutorial uses Movie Maker from Service Pack 1 Here's how you do it with the current version (the one you have): 1. File Save Movie File... 2. Choose My Computer, click Next 3. Give your file a name and choose a place to save it. click next 4. Choose Other Settings. Select Video for broadband (512kbps) from the dropdown. click next. 5. When it's finished compressing, click Finish. That's it. Verdi -- Me: http://michaelverdi.com RD: http://graymattergravy.com Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org On Dec 17, 2005, at 9:08 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote: I just decided to learn how to vblog. It actually doesn't look to bad except that I can't get past a very basic step. I went to the Free Vlog tutorial at: http://freevlog.org/#compress I am using a Dell 4550 PC and have Windows Movie Maker. So I opened WMM and dragged and dropped an video clip (.avi) onto it while I was watching the tutorial video on compressing with WMM. On the tutorial it says to click on Save Movie and then go to other and to NTSC 768 etc. Well for the life of me I can't seem to find the Save Movie button and options to do the other and NTSC 768. [in fact that whole row is missing I see the menu items -file-edit-view- like in the tutorial and I see the row of items below that has undo, redo, tasks, collections and that window, BUT the row with Save Movie Send Record is completely missing). I did a get info about Movie Maker and it says Microsoft Windows Movie Maker Version 5.1 (Build 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519: Service Pack 2) Copyright 1981-2001 Microsoft Corp. Windows Movie Maker Version 2.1.4026.0 Do I have an old version that needs updating? Or am I just blind (probably)? I can't get past step .5 on the compression of the video so I can then upload to ourmedia/internetarchive. Can someone please help me here? thanks, Joseph Puentes http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [videoblogging] such a Simpleton! Compression
On Behalf Of Joseph Puentes Well for the life of me I can't seem to find the Save Movie button and options to do the other and NTSC 768. [in fact that whole row is missing I see the menu items -file-edit-view- like in the tutorial and I see the row of items below that has undo, redo, tasks, collections and that window, BUT the row with Save Movie Send Record is completely missing). You can get to Save Movie one of two ways: 1) File Save Movie File 2) On the toolbar below File, Edit, View click on the button that says Tasks and expand the Finish Movie section. You can also reveal the Tasks list from View Tasks. Jake Ludington Author - Easy Digital Home Movies http://iMakeMedia.com http://www.jakeludington.com http://www.sync2play.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
