RE: question

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Anthony, You should also explain if you want to do this on an iPhone or on a 
computer and, if a computer, is it a Windows system with Jaws or a different 
screenreader.
I use a Windows PC with Jaws and I use Outlook for my email client, here is how 
this works for me:
If I want to reply to somebody privately I press Shift+Tab when I am at the 
beginning of the message until I get to the "From" field, probably you have to 
press it 5 or 6 times.
Below is an example of what that looks like using your message to the list:

>From read only edit viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of anthony borg 
>

When you shift+tab into that field your cursor is at the end of the line, you 
can now press left arrow once and the entire name and email address of the 
person who is sending the message will be highlighted, using Jaws speech 
history it sounds like this:

anthony borg 

Now if you press Shift+F10 you get a context menu, the first option in it is 
Cut and if you down arrow once you have Copy. Press enter and you now just 
copied the email address of the person to your clipboard.
Now you can simply use Control+R to reply to the message, press Shift+tab again 
until you get to the "To" field which would have viphone@GoogleGroups.com in 
it, backspace until that is deleted and press Control+V to paste in the address 
in your clipboard which should be the address of the sender of the message and 
at this point you can tab again to the message body and write your reply which 
will only go to the sender of the message.

You can try also to simply press Shift+Control+R, this is a Jaws keystroke 
which is supposed to reply directly to the sender of the message not to the 
list, but I find it doesn't always work or maybe it works on some lists but not 
others, so far I have had no luck with it on the Viphone list. If you use Jaws 
you can easily check what is in the "To" field by pressing Alt+3 when you are 
composing a message, it will read the "To" field, Alt+5 will read the subject 
field and if you press Alt+5 twice quickly it will move the cursor into the 
subject field.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of anthony 
borg
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 2:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: question

Hi sieghard
That's exactly what I need to know. How to get an email address of somebody I 
have on the list and to write privately or not. 
The important thing at this stage is how to get it and then add it to the added 
field. 
Thanks that you have mentioned that outlook is also available for I o s  
because I wouldn't know that. 
Regards
Anthony 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 29 October 2018 16:20
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: question

Outlook is definitely available for iOS, but I agree he should provide more 
information, for example, is he asking how to get the email address for 
somebody from a list message if he wants to reply privately?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Steve 
Matzura
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: question

You're assuming he's using a phone. His mailer in the header says it's Outlook. 
Is Outlook available on a phone? It very well might be, I just don't know, not 
doing anything with email on anything without a real keyboard myself.


On 10/29/2018 7:00 AM, Thom Spittle wrote:
> If you navigate to the field for who you wanted to send it to, start typing 
> in the person’s name, usually just two or three letters should do. Then, 
> swipe to the right and people that fit that criteria will show up so you may 
> have to swipe to the right if you times depending on how many search results 
> you have. Then just double tap on the name.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 6:40 AM, anthony borg  wrote:
>>
>> Hello folks,
>> Could someone explain to me please when I come to compose an email, 
>> how I could search for the persons' address and add it to the added field?
>> With thanks in advance for your help
>> Anthony
>>
>>

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Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes

[Cristobal Munoz]

Um yeah… I don’t need to be seeing anyone’s hairy nipples or pecks or tummy 
fluff.
I am in shape. I work out. Still, I don’t want to see your hairy pits and I’m 
sure you don’t want to see mine. I make sure if I use one of those services 
like BeMyEyes or if it’s anyone other than perhaps my wife, to put a shirt on. 
On Oct 29, 2018, at 7:35 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> I feel it is kind of a novelty, but I am blind. I have been part of
> group video chats before. In the summer, I am shirtless at home
> because I rarely use air conditioning. Some found this off putting.
> also, I may be traveling and connect to these forums wearing
> headphones and the phone in my pocket. I then need to explain I am in
> transit on mobile with the phone in my pocket for hands free mobility.
> the popularity of voice only conference calls remains high. People can
> call in from anywhere from any device and not worry what they are
> wearing if nothing at all.
> 
> Kelly 
> 
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>> On 10/29/18, Mr. Ed  wrote:
>> Hi Mary,
>> Now Mary my response to you was not to harm you in any way but just to get
>> you to think and try things before you give responses. Like Sieghard stated
>> some people are going to have a problem with any type of device or software.
>> So please do not take my response to harm you in any way but if it did I
>> apologize.
>> Have a nice day.
>> Mr. Ed
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 10:13 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes
>> 
>> Hi Ed,
>> I would still rather have the home button. But Apple doesn’t see it that
>> way. So, I feel very fortunate that the Face ID with the attention mode
>> enabled is working for me. That doesn’t negate my concerns about it for
>> those for whom it does not work at all or very well. And I have seen blind
>> people having problems. Or I should say, I have heard of. People who are
>> having problems with it. If you think that is talking out of both sides of
>> my mouth, well I think that is a problem with your perceptions.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Mr. Ed  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary,
>>> I remember back a few months ago you were complaining about not having a
>>> home button on the new iPhones. Also you complained adamantly about the
>>> face ID on numerous emails. Then today or yesterday you said the face ID
>>> was working very well on your new iPhone. You seem to talk out of both
>>> sides of your mouth. LOL
>>> Have a good day.
>>> Mr. Ed
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 11:28 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes
>>> 
>>> Mary,
>>> 
>>> New versions of iOS often did not offer the full feature set to older
>>> devices and in some cases if hardware constraints make this impossible
>>> then that is just how it is. If Apple decides to do this deliberately then
>>> it's a different story, but if that is what they do then that is what they
>>> do. It is their hardware and while you bought it it's definitely their
>>> software which they make available for free and under their license terms
>>> so they can do what they want.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:18 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes
>>> 
>>> Yes. Sure. So it’s OK for phones to be issued now that have last year‘s
>>> operating system and that’s no big deal. But it’s a problem when Apple’s
>>> newest operating system doesn’t have every feature available to older
>>> phones. Right. Bull nuts.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 28, 2018, at 9:13 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
 wrote:
 
 The carriers are in the loop, but they're by no means the only culprit
 here. Google pushes out new versions of Android, the manufacturers need
 to pick up these new versions and fold them into their own code bases and
 test them on their own devices and then turn around and make this
 available to the carriers for them to do something similar. 

Re: Good God what a tedious XR experience

[Kelly Pierce]

First, Apple no longer describes its retail locations as stores. Apple
just calls them Apple. The company has redefined itself as seling
experiences through technology rather than a tech hardware company.
the problem with the word store is that it suggests a shopping
experience. someone might visit Apple to buy a device. He might also
visit for a repair, ask a question, attend a class, participate in an
Apple user group, meet other Apple device users to discuss Apple
devices or services, or use the free Wifi.

As for the crowds, welcome to the world of 1.3 billion active Apple
ID's.  Apple has not added locations at the same rate as the expanding
user base. Also, Apple locations here inn Chicago have become tourist
attractions. Many people visit Apple to see products in person or
people watch. They are not there to do anything specific. There is
always a group of folks who walk in a circle around the building for
10 or 15 minutes before leaving.

Kelly 


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On 10/28/18, Cristobal Muñoz  wrote:
> Hey now… We don’t go telling tales out of school.
>
> Booty as in the ghetto fabulous term of broken, on the fritz, crappy,
> busted, etc.
>
> I’m sure though that it’s just the standard line they give people when they
> can’t figure out what’s wrong with it or can’t trouble shoot it in a timely
> manner. All the same to me. They made it super easy and just exchanged the
> device.
>
> The only reason I went ahead and grabbed it at full price was because I
> recently got a credit card with a zero percent intro APR for 15 months and a
> no balance transfer fee. I charged it on my BestBuy Visa to score the points
> and will do the balance transfer once I’m sure that I’m going to keep the
> phone.
>
> My wife’s laptop is getting long in the tooth so the extra BestBuy points
> will come in handy when we go PC deal hunting next month.
>
> So far, the phone’s fine and all, but man… I kind of miss my  tiny SE.
>
>
>
> Cristóbal
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 8:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Good God what a tedious XR experience
>
>
>
> A “bootie display”? I thought that was something your wife would do for you
> in private *smile*
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Cristobal Muñoz
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 4:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Good God what a tedious XR experience
>
>
>
> Well… Went to the Apple store with my wife to get her iPhone’s battery
> replaced and while there, I grabbed the XR. My God. Apple stores are
> soo loud and there were so. Many. People. Ended up spending
> almost three hours there.
>
> Anyway, While she was getting her battery looked at, the Apple guy was
> trying to sell me on an iPad and Apple Music. Yeah, I’m good. This is my
> iPad and for a  few commercials, I’m cool with nice and free Pandora.
> Anyway, I ended up also getting one of those lightening to 3.5 jack adaptors
> for some headphones I always use. I tried talking the guy into hooking me
> up, but nope. So what if you just dropped $1000 on their stuff. Apple’s
> going to squeeze every last drop out of you. Capitalism baby.
>
> Anyway, I got home. Attempted the restore from iCloud and during this
> process, the darn phone bricked. I got stuck on the passcode screen with no
> way to get out of it. An hour later on the phone with Apple support and two
> tech supervisors their suggestion was to simply take it back for an
> exchange. The earliest date they could give me for a “Genius Bar”
> appointment was this Thursday. Whatever.
>
> I showed up this morning at 11:00 when they opened and dear God. There were
> already easily 100 people outside of the place waiting for it to open its
> doors. There were already Apple folks running around with iPads signing
> folks in and crap. I mean seriously? What the hhell? Everyone go home.
>
> I went into full helpless blindy mode and was squeezed in right away. After
> running whatever tests they had to do on my device, they determined that I
> had a lemon. Something to do with a booty display. I’m sure that’s what they
> tell everyone though. Who cares. The end result was that I got the exchange
> and this time, I had them set it up for me and do the iCloud restore there.
> An hour later, I was out of the place.
>
> Man, this 

Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes

[Kelly Pierce]

I feel it is kind of a novelty, but I am blind. I have been part of
group video chats before. In the summer, I am shirtless at home
because I rarely use air conditioning. Some found this off putting.
also, I may be traveling and connect to these forums wearing
headphones and the phone in my pocket. I then need to explain I am in
transit on mobile with the phone in my pocket for hands free mobility.
the popularity of voice only conference calls remains high. People can
call in from anywhere from any device and not worry what they are
wearing if nothing at all.

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On 10/29/18, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> Hi Mary,
> Now Mary my response to you was not to harm you in any way but just to get
> you to think and try things before you give responses. Like Sieghard stated
> some people are going to have a problem with any type of device or software.
> So please do not take my response to harm you in any way but if it did I
> apologize.
> Have a nice day.
> Mr. Ed
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 10:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes
>
> Hi Ed,
> I would still rather have the home button. But Apple doesn’t see it that
> way. So, I feel very fortunate that the Face ID with the attention mode
> enabled is working for me. That doesn’t negate my concerns about it for
> those for whom it does not work at all or very well. And I have seen blind
> people having problems. Or I should say, I have heard of. People who are
> having problems with it. If you think that is talking out of both sides of
> my mouth, well I think that is a problem with your perceptions.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Mr. Ed  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mary,
>> I remember back a few months ago you were complaining about not having a
>> home button on the new iPhones. Also you complained adamantly about the
>> face ID on numerous emails. Then today or yesterday you said the face ID
>> was working very well on your new iPhone. You seem to talk out of both
>> sides of your mouth. LOL
>> Have a good day.
>> Mr. Ed
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 11:28 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes
>>
>> Mary,
>>
>> New versions of iOS often did not offer the full feature set to older
>> devices and in some cases if hardware constraints make this impossible
>> then that is just how it is. If Apple decides to do this deliberately then
>> it's a different story, but if that is what they do then that is what they
>> do. It is their hardware and while you bought it it's definitely their
>> software which they make available for free and under their license terms
>> so they can do what they want.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes
>>
>> Yes. Sure. So it’s OK for phones to be issued now that have last year‘s
>> operating system and that’s no big deal. But it’s a problem when Apple’s
>> newest operating system doesn’t have every feature available to older
>> phones. Right. Bull nuts.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 9:13 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The carriers are in the loop, but they're by no means the only culprit
>>> here. Google pushes out new versions of Android, the manufacturers need
>>> to pick up these new versions and fold them into their own code bases and
>>> test them on their own devices and then turn around and make this
>>> available to the carriers for them to do something similar. This does
>>> take longer, but Google, the manufacturers and the carriers could all do
>>> more to make this process happen more quickly. Google has helped with
>>> Project Treble, where the hardware enablement piece is separate from the
>>> rest of the operating system, but manufacturers and carriers also add
>>> their own skins. Google also makes the new versions of the operating
>>> system available early to the manufacturers, but Google is also pushing
>>> out fixes to this code right up until it's officially 

RE: question

[anthony borg]

Hi folks 
Many thanks for all your replys to my question. 
Anthony 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Thom Spittle
Sent: 29 October 2018 12:00
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: question

If you navigate to the field for who you wanted to send it to, start typing in 
the person’s name, usually just two or three letters should do. Then, swipe to 
the right and people that fit that criteria will show up so you may have to 
swipe to the right if you times depending on how many search results you have. 
Then just double tap on the name.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 6:40 AM, anthony borg  wrote:
> 
> Hello folks,
> Could someone explain to me please when I come to compose an email, 
> how I could search for the persons' address and add it to the added field?
> With thanks in advance for your help
> Anthony
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RE: siri shortcut

[anthony borg]

Hi 
Could you please explain to me how to make siri shortcut from the main screen? 
With thanks in advance 
Anthony 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: 29 October 2018 15:33
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: siri shortcut 

Hi Lee,
There is an app called myTuner. There is also a myTuner Pro, which is the one I 
have. I don’t know the differences anymore. But the app doesn’t support Siri 
shortcuts. For instance, if there is a station you like, once you have tune to 
that station, you can then easily make a Siri shortcut wear from the main 
screen, you can just say your shortcut word or phrase, and myTuner opens to 
that station and starts playing it.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 7:26 AM, Lee Jones  wrote:
> 
> Dear list, I am looking for a radio app that is both accessible and has good 
> support for siri shortcuts.  Can be free or one time purchase.  Any ideas?
> 
> Many Thanks, Lee
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Re: Re:

[Paul Mcgann]

sorry as i tried to cancel, but desktop won't let it cancelled and i let 
go. soryr for it.



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RE: report of missing Sim card

[R Van Lant]

This happened on my mom's Sansung last week.  Not sure why it happened, either, 
since it's in a case.  The guy at Verizon store did something really quick and 
she was back up and running. 



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Eden
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Subject: report of missing Sim card

Hello, I have a six month old iPhone eight, living in an otter box, and 
yesterday it reported no Sim card. When I try to use the phone as a phone, 
it's reporting no signal.

My Apple dealer is 20 miles from me, and it may take some doing to get 
there.

How can I check this myself? Can one of these tiny cards come loose or go 
bad?

Any advice would be helpful.

Gratefully

Geoff 

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Re: Watch and a step app

[Chris Chaffin]

Hello,

No, there is an app actually called Activity.  It is an app made by Apple and 
is tied to your activity rings and workouts.  On top of having this 
information, it also has the number of steps you have done.  You can look at 
this information by day, month, and maybe even year.  I just usually look at 
mine by day.
If you can not find it, ask Siri to open the Activity app.

Chris


> On Oct 29, 2018, at 7:58 PM, Lea W Langley  wrote:
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> hi Chris,
> When you say you go to the app Activity app on your phone are you talking 
> about the Health app which is which Apple has is that the one you access to 
> count your steps? Thank you very much.
> God bless,
> Wren Langley PS Martin good luck with your new watch and if you have any 
> questions don’t be afraid to ask I’m sure some of us can help you I also have 
> the series four.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> There is an app called StepsApp, I like that one. It is accessible and works 
>> with Apple health. 
>> 
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>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
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>>> 
>>> The activity app does count your steps.  I usually access this information 
>>> on the activity app on my phone.  For example, I have walked 3,810 steps 
>>> today totaling 1.81 miles.
>>> In the activity app, I look at history and make sure today is selected.  
>>> Then go to the bottom of the screen and swipe left and steps is normally 
>>> the first thing.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:22 PM, 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi All
  
 I now have my new Apple Watch series 4 so will be asking you all questions 
 over the coming days.
  
 Firstly, though in the activity app it doesn’t count your steps.
  
 Is there a fully accessable app to download for counting steps on my watch?
  
 Thank you.
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Re: Watch and a step app

[Lea W Langley]

hi Chris,
When you say you go to the app Activity app on your phone are you talking about 
the Health app which is which Apple has is that the one you access to count 
your steps? Thank you very much.
God bless,
Wren Langley PS Martin good luck with your new watch and if you have any 
questions don’t be afraid to ask I’m sure some of us can help you I also have 
the series four.

Sent from my iPhone

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>> 
>> The activity app does count your steps.  I usually access this information 
>> on the activity app on my phone.  For example, I have walked 3,810 steps 
>> today totaling 1.81 miles.
>> In the activity app, I look at history and make sure today is selected.  
>> Then go to the bottom of the screen and swipe left and steps is normally the 
>> first thing.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
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>>> Hi All
>>>  
>>> I now have my new Apple Watch series 4 so will be asking you all questions 
>>> over the coming days.
>>>  
>>> Firstly, though in the activity app it doesn’t count your steps.
>>>  
>>> Is there a fully accessable app to download for counting steps on my watch?
>>>  
>>> Thank you.
>>> Martin
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RE: iPhone 8, iPhone xr battery chargers Question Please.

[Cristobal Muñoz]

Nope. Just the standard cable and wall plug. The 8/8 Plus came with the
lightening adaptor, but not this year's. And while I think it's cheap and
nikcle and dimeish on Apple's part to not include this or even some sort of
USBC charger considering the price of the phone, but don't base your
ultimate choice on whether or not one of these are included. 

Cristóbal

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Hi Everyone,
Well, I'm finally going to take the plunge, and buy  a new iPhone, as I
definitely need one.  I'm not sure yet if I will buy an iPhone 8 or the new
xr yet though.  My question is does a battery charger come with the phone 8
or the xr phone?
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RE: iPhone 8, iPhone xr battery chargers Question Please.

[janet gross]

Hi Aleeha, 
 
Thank you for this.  
Janet 


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To: viPhone
Subject: Re: iPhone 8, iPhone xr battery chargers Question Please.

Hi, 
The charging block and cable come with both phones. 
HTH, 
Aleeha 

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Re: iPhone 8, iPhone xr battery chargers Question Please.

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hi, 
The charging block and cable come with both phones. 
HTH, 
Aleeha 

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 5:16 PM, janet gross  wrote:
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> or the xr phone?
> Thank you all in advance.
> Janet
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iPhone 8, iPhone xr battery chargers Question Please.

[janet gross]

Hi Everyone,
Well, I'm finally going to take the plunge, and buy  a new iPhone, as I 
definitely need one.  I'm not sure yet if I will buy an iPhone 8 or the new xr 
yet though.  My question is does a battery charger come with the phone 8 or the 
xr phone?
Thank you all in advance.
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Re: Watch and a step app

[Feliciano Godoy]

There is an app called StepsApp, I like that one. It is accessible and works 
with Apple health.

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On Oct 29, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Chris Chaffin 
mailto:chaffin102...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The activity app does count your steps.  I usually access this information on 
the activity app on my phone.  For example, I have walked 3,810 steps today 
totaling 1.81 miles.
In the activity app, I look at history and make sure today is selected.  Then 
go to the bottom of the screen and swipe left and steps is normally the first 
thing.

Hope this helps.

Chris


On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:22 PM, 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi All

I now have my new Apple Watch series 4 so will be asking you all questions over 
the coming days.

Firstly, though in the activity app it doesn’t count your steps.

Is there a fully accessable app to download for counting steps on my watch?

Thank you.
Martin


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RE: question

[anthony borg]

Hi sieghard 
That's exactly what I need to know. How to get an email address of somebody I 
have on the list and to write privately or not. 
The important thing at this stage is how to get it and then add it to the added 
field. 
Thanks that you have mentioned that outlook is also available for I o s  
because I wouldn't know that. 
Regards 
Anthony 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 29 October 2018 16:20
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: question

Outlook is definitely available for iOS, but I agree he should provide more 
information, for example, is he asking how to get the email address for 
somebody from a list message if he wants to reply privately?


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Steve 
Matzura
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: question

You're assuming he's using a phone. His mailer in the header says it's Outlook. 
Is Outlook available on a phone? It very well might be, I just don't know, not 
doing anything with email on anything without a real keyboard myself.


On 10/29/2018 7:00 AM, Thom Spittle wrote:
> If you navigate to the field for who you wanted to send it to, start typing 
> in the person’s name, usually just two or three letters should do. Then, 
> swipe to the right and people that fit that criteria will show up so you may 
> have to swipe to the right if you times depending on how many search results 
> you have. Then just double tap on the name.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 6:40 AM, anthony borg  wrote:
>>
>> Hello folks,
>> Could someone explain to me please when I come to compose an email, 
>> how I could search for the persons' address and add it to the added field?
>> With thanks in advance for your help
>> Anthony
>>
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Re: Podcast Apps

[Lynn White]

Is there a podcast app that would work with both the iPhone and Applt TV?  I 
love Overcast but it’s not available for Apple TV.  So, I’m still stuck with 
the Apple podcast app because of TV.  Thanks for any suggestions.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 9:18 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
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> 
> Even though you said you are not favorable to Overcast, I think it has 
> probably the most shortcuts available.  On top of being able to play the most 
> current episode of any of the podcast you are subscribed too, you also have 
> shortcuts for play, pause, rewinding, fast forwarding, plus many of the 
> Overcast settings.
> I have tried many of the podcast apps out there over the years, and Overcast 
> is my favorite and what I use now, but in the end, it is a personal 
> preference.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 10:09 AM, Lee Jones  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear List, I wondered what podcast apps people would recommend that are both 
>> accessible, and have good support for siri shortcuts.  I bought downcast 
>> years ago, but I am finding it irritating and so far it has no  support for 
>> siri shortcuts, albeit I can’t get shortcuts to work with voice dream 
>> either.  I know that overcast is the new fashion, but I don’t like the idea 
>> of a rolling subscription.  Are there any other alternatives?
>> 
>> Many Thanks, Lee
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Re: Watch and a step app

[Chris Chaffin]

The activity app does count your steps.  I usually access this information on 
the activity app on my phone.  For example, I have walked 3,810 steps today 
totaling 1.81 miles.
In the activity app, I look at history and make sure today is selected.  Then 
go to the bottom of the screen and swipe left and steps is normally the first 
thing.

Hope this helps.

Chris


> On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:22 PM, 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi All
>  
> I now have my new Apple Watch series 4 so will be asking you all questions 
> over the coming days.
>  
> Firstly, though in the activity app it doesn’t count your steps.
>  
> Is there a fully accessable app to download for counting steps on my watch?
>  
> Thank you.
> Martin
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RE: Getting Taptics to work on my XR

[Cristobal Muñoz]

Just start a new thread. Friends don’t let friends hijack threads.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
r...@startmail.com
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Getting Taptics to work on my XR

 

I changed the subject line since the subject has changed in this thread.

 

I have taptics turned on and volume at 100% and cannot feel a thing.  I also 
noticed that when I mute and unmute the phone there is almost no vibration.  

 

Any more ideas?

 

Thanks.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 11:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

 

First go to settings/sounds and make sure that haptics is turned on for 
interactions.

Secondly, make sure that your sound is set to the highest possible.  The higher 
the sound, the stronger the vibration.

 

Cheers,

 

Cris

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
r...@startmail.com  
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 11:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

 

I don’t feel a thing.  Do I have it turned off or something.  My sense of touch 
is good enough I ought to be able to detect it.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Devin Prater
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 10:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

 

Oh good, thanks Mary for confirming that it has taptic feedback, as that's the 
next phone I'll be getting, the X R. 

Devin Prater

Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

JAWS certified 


On Oct 27, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes, the iPhone XR does have haptic feedback. It does not have 3D Touch. But at 
least on mine, when I slide my finger of the screen or down from the top, I get 
a tactile feedback. Not just the sound.
Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2018, at 8:24 AM, mailto:r...@startmail.com> > 
mailto:r...@startmail.com> > wrote:

The IPhone XR doesn’t have taptic feedbvack.

 

I figured out that when voice over starts reading items on the screen as I move 
my finger from the top or bottom of the screen that I am moving it too slowly.  
When I move my finger a little faster the tones are all that are “spoken”.  

 

I also figured out that if I do not hear the tone at the top or bottom of the 
screen that I have not started my finger movement in the right place.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 9:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

 

You should also have haptic feedback meaning there should be a vibration when 
you reach the first and second point for app switcher and home screen.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
r...@startmail.com  
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

 

I figured out part of my problem is that the app switcher comes up at the third 
plunk, not the first.

 

Thanks for the idea of the assist gestures.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:31 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

 

Hello,

 

Yes you can set up the assistive touch option and have menu options. This will 
show up as a small dot on the screen that you can actually set to utilize the 
home gesture, app switcher, Notification Center and control center. It’s not 
ideal but it could work as a work around in noisy situations.

 

Please let me know if you need or want any further assistance setting this 
option up. You can email me off list at e...@overhereconsulting.net 
 

 

Thanks,

 

Ed Worrell

CEO/Co-Founder OverHere Consulting LLP

 

On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:31 PM, mailto:r...@startmail.com> > 
mailto:r...@startmail.com> > wrote:

 

Are there any alternative ways to bring up the home screen or the app switcher?

Part of my problem is hearing the tones 

Getting Taptics to work on my XR

[rhs]

I changed the subject line since the subject has changed in this thread.

 

I have taptics turned on and volume at 100% and cannot feel a thing.  I also 
noticed that when I mute and unmute the phone there is almost no vibration.  

 

Any more ideas?

 

Thanks.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 11:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

 

First go to settings/sounds and make sure that haptics is turned on for 
interactions.

Secondly, make sure that your sound is set to the highest possible.  The higher 
the sound, the stronger the vibration.

 

Cheers,

 

Cris

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
r...@startmail.com  
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 11:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

 

I don’t feel a thing.  Do I have it turned off or something.  My sense of touch 
is good enough I ought to be able to detect it.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Devin Prater
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 10:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

 

Oh good, thanks Mary for confirming that it has taptic feedback, as that's the 
next phone I'll be getting, the X R. 

Devin Prater

Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

JAWS certified 


On Oct 27, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes, the iPhone XR does have haptic feedback. It does not have 3D Touch. But at 
least on mine, when I slide my finger of the screen or down from the top, I get 
a tactile feedback. Not just the sound.
Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2018, at 8:24 AM, mailto:r...@startmail.com> > 
mailto:r...@startmail.com> > wrote:

The IPhone XR doesn’t have taptic feedbvack.

 

I figured out that when voice over starts reading items on the screen as I move 
my finger from the top or bottom of the screen that I am moving it too slowly.  
When I move my finger a little faster the tones are all that are “spoken”.  

 

I also figured out that if I do not hear the tone at the top or bottom of the 
screen that I have not started my finger movement in the right place.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 9:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

 

You should also have haptic feedback meaning there should be a vibration when 
you reach the first and second point for app switcher and home screen.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
r...@startmail.com  
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

 

I figured out part of my problem is that the app switcher comes up at the third 
plunk, not the first.

 

Thanks for the idea of the assist gestures.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:31 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

 

Hello,

 

Yes you can set up the assistive touch option and have menu options. This will 
show up as a small dot on the screen that you can actually set to utilize the 
home gesture, app switcher, Notification Center and control center. It’s not 
ideal but it could work as a work around in noisy situations.

 

Please let me know if you need or want any further assistance setting this 
option up. You can email me off list at e...@overhereconsulting.net 
 

 

Thanks,

 

Ed Worrell

CEO/Co-Founder OverHere Consulting LLP

 

On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:31 PM, mailto:r...@startmail.com> > 
mailto:r...@startmail.com> > wrote:

 

Are there any alternative ways to bring up the home screen or the app switcher?

Part of my problem is hearing the tones because they seem pretty quiet.  Is 
there a way to change the sound to something I can hear better?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Maria Reyes
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: 

Watch and a step app

['Martin Maidment' via VIPhone]

Hi All

 

I now have my new Apple Watch series 4 so will be asking you all questions
over the coming days.

 

Firstly, though in the activity app it doesn't count your steps.

 

Is there a fully accessable app to download for counting steps on my watch?

 

Thank you.

Martin

 

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RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

[Cris Ali]

First go to settings/sounds and make sure that haptics is turned on for 
interactions.
Secondly, make sure that your sound is set to the highest possible.  The higher 
the sound, the stronger the vibration.

Cheers,

Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
r...@startmail.com
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 11:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

I don’t feel a thing.  Do I have it turned off or something.  My sense of touch 
is good enough I ought to be able to detect it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Devin 
Prater
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 10:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

Oh good, thanks Mary for confirming that it has taptic feedback, as that's the 
next phone I'll be getting, the X R.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind
JAWS certified

On Oct 27, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes, the iPhone XR does have haptic feedback. It does not have 3D Touch. But at 
least on mine, when I slide my finger of the screen or down from the top, I get 
a tactile feedback. Not just the sound.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2018, at 8:24 AM, mailto:r...@startmail.com>> 
mailto:r...@startmail.com>> wrote:
The IPhone XR doesn’t have taptic feedbvack.

I figured out that when voice over starts reading items on the screen as I move 
my finger from the top or bottom of the screen that I am moving it too slowly.  
When I move my finger a little faster the tones are all that are “spoken”.

I also figured out that if I do not hear the tone at the top or bottom of the 
screen that I have not started my finger movement in the right place.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 9:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

You should also have haptic feedback meaning there should be a vibration when 
you reach the first and second point for app switcher and home screen.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
r...@startmail.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

I figured out part of my problem is that the app switcher comes up at the third 
plunk, not the first.

Thanks for the idea of the assist gestures.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:31 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

Hello,

Yes you can set up the assistive touch option and have menu options. This will 
show up as a small dot on the screen that you can actually set to utilize the 
home gesture, app switcher, Notification Center and control center. It’s not 
ideal but it could work as a work around in noisy situations.

Please let me know if you need or want any further assistance setting this 
option up. You can email me off list at 
e...@overhereconsulting.net

Thanks,

Ed Worrell
CEO/Co-Founder OverHere Consulting LLP

On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:31 PM, mailto:r...@startmail.com>> 
mailto:r...@startmail.com>> wrote:

Are there any alternative ways to bring up the home screen or the app switcher?

Part of my problem is hearing the tones because they seem pretty quiet.  Is 
there a way to change the sound to something I can hear better?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Maria 
Reyes
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

Not Greg but to power off the phone you have to press and hold the power and 
one of the volume buttons until the power off screen comes up.

My group:
marias-chat+subscr...@googlegroups.com
On Oct 26, 2018, at 3:37 PM, Cris Ali 
mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Greg,
The side button is the power button, right?  I thought if you long press the 
power button it will turn the phone off.  Or is turning off the phone is now 
done differently?

Sorry for these basic questions.

Cheers,

Cris

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 

RE: Screen Brightness Annoyance When Rebooting iPhone 8 Plus

[Cristobal Muñoz]

I had autobrightness turned on, but founda  few times where it was still going 
anywhere from 40% to 60% or whatever even with screen curtain on. 
Didn't feel like dealing with the hassle of always checking to make sure the 
feature worked as it should and simply went back to disabling autobrightness 
all together. 

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen Brightness Annoyance When Rebooting iPhone 8 Plus

That is exactly what auto brightness is supposed to do, but at some point Apple 
did make it so that when screencurtain was turned on brightness would get set 
to 0% regardless whether auto brightness was turned on or not. This makes 
complete sense, Apple has full control over their hardware and software and 
obviously if somebody turns on screencurtain they couldn't care less if 
brightness was kept up at 30% or whatever, it only uses more battery and just 
as certain behaviours are triggered when Voiceover is turned on I am sure Apple 
can trigger certain behaviours when screen curtain is turned on such as setting 
brightness to 0% and overwriting the auto brightness setting.
If of course this doesn't work as it should then Apple needs to figure out why.

Regards,
Sieghard
 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen Brightness Annoyance When Rebooting iPhone 8 Plus

Hi Chris,
It seems to me that if you have auto brightness turned on, it’s not going to 
stay at zero, because the whole point of auto brightness is to adjust the 
brightness depending on the surrounding like conditions. At least, that’s my 
understanding. I always have it off, and I turn it up if I need sighted 
assistance with something.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 7:04 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark,
> 
> I am running the latest ios on an iPhone 8, and I have seen many brightness 
> issues ever since I have updated to ios 12.  And I have tested it, it does 
> not matter whether screen curtain is on or off.
> Here is what I have seen:
> 
> *  Ever time I restart my phone, and I just tested this again, my phone 
> brightness is set to 100%.  And this happens whether screen curtain is on or 
> off and if auto brightness is on or off.
> * If I have auto brightness on, my brightness will increase from time to 
> time, even if I have screen curtain on.  For example, I would turn it down to 
> 0, and check later on, sometimes it would still be at 0, and sometimes I 
> found it at 35%.  If I turned it back down to 0, things would just repeat 
> itself after some time.  So I was forced to turn auto brightness off.
> 
> I understand that not everybody and all phones see this behavior, but it is 
> happening.  I do not understand why, and even though I would guess that Apple 
> would have a hard time reproducing it, I have submitted the problem to them 
> in hopes that it might be resolved in a future update.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:36 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mary,
>> 
>> Since posting my original message on this, I have restarted my phone 3 times 
>> and cannot get the problem to reoccur.  Mind you, it's been automatically 
>> dimming at start-up for about the past 5 days.  
>> 
>> Now, it restarts with the correct brightness level.  
>> 
>> Wow!
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 5:31 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Screen Brightness Annoyance When Rebooting iPhone 8 Plus
>> 
>> Interesting, Mark. I have seen the exact opposite. I want minute zero. I set 
>> it to her. And sometimes it doesn’t stick. Go figure.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 5:18 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I think I saw something about this, on-list, a while ago but cannot 
>>> remember.  So I'll ask:
>>> 
>>> When I reboot my iPhone 8 Plus, running iOS 12.01, the screen 
>>> brightness resets to zero or as low as it can go.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know why this is happening?  I have rebooted the phone 
>>> with and without VoiceOver enabled and the behavior of the screen 
>>> brightness, at reboot, remains the same.
>>> 
>>> I have spent some time researching Google but, aside from one or two 
>>> comments, dated back at the beginning of the year, I cannot locate 
>>> any reason/solution for this.
>>> 
>>> I don't remember this being a problem before the iOS 12.01 update.
>>> 
>>> As always, all replies greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Mark
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Re: VO Continuous Reading of PDF

[Richard Turner]

Great. Yes, Books is the new name for iBooks under iOS 12.
Richard



"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books 
which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:50 AM, Vivian Conger 
mailto:blazie.g...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks Richard.  She is using her new iPhone XR which she loves by the way.  
After I sent the message to the list, I mentioned that I thought iBooks would 
read PDF documents.  She said there isn’t iBooks but there is Books so she 
copied the document into it and it worked like a charm.

Vivian



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 5:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VO Continuous Reading of PDF

Is she using a Mac? I have not heard of doing that on an iPhone or iPad. I do 
not have a Mac, but on an iPhone or iPad, I just double tap on the attachment 
and it will download the file, double tap again and it will be in viewing mode, 
at which point a two finger flick down will read it through unless there are 
some odd codes that stop it reading.
Then I flick right with one finger, and then down with two and it will pick up 
reading again.

Richard


"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books 
which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Oct 28, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Vivian Conger 
mailto:blazie.g...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi All,

I have a friend who normally doesn’t use VO as she has enough site to read the 
screen but wanted to read a large PDF document with VO.  She got the document 
as an attachment to an email and dragged it to her home screen.  She double 
tapped to open it.  She then turned VO on and did a 2-finger swipe down for 
continuous reading and it only reads to the bottom of the screen.  She’s not 
sure how to get it to read the rest of the 30-page document.

Any suggestions?

Many thanks for any assistance.

Vivian
blazie.g...@gmail.com

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RE: VO Continuous Reading of PDF

[Vivian Conger]

Thanks Richard.  She is using her new iPhone XR which she loves by the way.  
After I sent the message to the list, I mentioned that I thought iBooks would 
read PDF documents.  She said there isn’t iBooks but there is Books so she 
copied the document into it and it worked like a charm.

 

Vivian

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 5:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VO Continuous Reading of PDF

 

Is she using a Mac? I have not heard of doing that on an iPhone or iPad. I do 
not have a Mac, but on an iPhone or iPad, I just double tap on the attachment 
and it will download the file, double tap again and it will be in viewing mode, 
at which point a two finger flick down will read it through unless there are 
some odd codes that stop it reading. 

Then I flick right with one finger, and then down with two and it will pick up 
reading again.

 

Richard

 

 

"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books 
which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 


On Oct 28, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Vivian Conger mailto:blazie.g...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi All,

 

I have a friend who normally doesn’t use VO as she has enough site to read the 
screen but wanted to read a large PDF document with VO.  She got the document 
as an attachment to an email and dragged it to her home screen.  She double 
tapped to open it.  She then turned VO on and did a 2-finger swipe down for 
continuous reading and it only reads to the bottom of the screen.  She’s not 
sure how to get it to read the rest of the 30-page document.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Many thanks for any assistance.

 

Vivian

blazie.g...@gmail.com  

 

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RE: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Mary,
Now Mary my response to you was not to harm you in any way but just to get you 
to think and try things before you give responses. Like Sieghard stated some 
people are going to have a problem with any type of device or software. So 
please do not take my response to harm you in any way but if it did I apologize.
Have a nice day.
Mr. Ed

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 10:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes

Hi Ed,
I would still rather have the home button. But Apple doesn’t see it that way. 
So, I feel very fortunate that the Face ID with the attention mode enabled is 
working for me. That doesn’t negate my concerns about it for those for whom it 
does not work at all or very well. And I have seen blind people having 
problems. Or I should say, I have heard of. People who are having problems with 
it. If you think that is talking out of both sides of my mouth, well I think 
that is a problem with your perceptions.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> I remember back a few months ago you were complaining about not having a home 
> button on the new iPhones. Also you complained adamantly about the face ID on 
> numerous emails. Then today or yesterday you said the face ID was working 
> very well on your new iPhone. You seem to talk out of both sides of your 
> mouth. LOL
> Have a good day. 
> Mr. Ed 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 11:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes
> 
> Mary,
> 
> New versions of iOS often did not offer the full feature set to older devices 
> and in some cases if hardware constraints make this impossible then that is 
> just how it is. If Apple decides to do this deliberately then it's a 
> different story, but if that is what they do then that is what they do. It is 
> their hardware and while you bought it it's definitely their software which 
> they make available for free and under their license terms so they can do 
> what they want.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes
> 
> Yes. Sure. So it’s OK for phones to be issued now that have last year‘s 
> operating system and that’s no big deal. But it’s a problem when Apple’s 
> newest operating system doesn’t have every feature available to older phones. 
> Right. Bull nuts.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 9:13 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> 
>> The carriers are in the loop, but they're by no means the only culprit here. 
>> Google pushes out new versions of Android, the manufacturers need to pick up 
>> these new versions and fold them into their own code bases and test them on 
>> their own devices and then turn around and make this available to the 
>> carriers for them to do something similar. This does take longer, but 
>> Google, the manufacturers and the carriers could all do more to make this 
>> process happen more quickly. Google has helped with Project Treble, where 
>> the hardware enablement piece is separate from the rest of the operating 
>> system, but manufacturers and carriers also add their own skins. Google also 
>> makes the new versions of the operating system available early to the 
>> manufacturers, but Google is also pushing out fixes to this code right up 
>> until it's officially released, causing the manufacturers and carriers to 
>> start over again, although with less and less effort each time. Note that 
>> this is for major versions of Android and not security patches, which get 
>> out to devices much more timely.
>> 
>> 
>> The entire Android ecosystem needs to address the issue with fragmentation, 
>> ongoing support of older devices and getting updates out to all devices more 
>> quickly. Fragmentation is a two edged sword though. Having multiple 
>> manufacturers involved and a more open ecosystem does has it's advantages, 
>> such as cheaper devices, more form factors and a greater degree of 
>> customization. IMHO, each ecosystem has their own advantages and 
>> disadvantages, and it's good that as blind consumers, we have accessible 
>> choices.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/28/18 10:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>> Not sure if it's so much that Android takes longer, in many cases people 
>>> who buy an Android device never get updates but to a large degree that 
>>> maybe the fault of the carriers. Apple has made it a condition from day 1 
>>> of the iPhone that they would have control over updates and they completely 
>>> cut carriers out 

Re: Missing Voice Dream Shortcuts

[Richard Turner]

i am sure you are right, just the Reading List shortcut at this time.
Richard



"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books 
which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 7:10 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> 
> Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I think there is just one shortcut 
> available for Voice Dream Reader at this time.
> Glad you have found it.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 9:50 AM, Lee Jones  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I tried opening the voice dream app as you suggested and then going back 
>> into all shortcuts, and now I have the grand total of one voice dream 
>> shortcut, play reading list.  I am updated I think, as there are no voice 
>> dream updates shown as pending in the app store, and I have the latest 
>> what’s new fileds in my library.  Any advice would be gratefully received.
>> 
>> Many Thanks, Lee
>> 
>>> On 29 Oct 2018, at 12:51, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Now for me, Voice Dream did not show up in Siri Settings until I opened up 
>>> the Voice Dream app.  But from what you have said, you have done this, and 
>>> like Richard, I would not think this is a country specific feature.
>>> Just to make sure you are looking in the right place, once you go to Siri 
>>> Settings, double tap on All Shortcuts, they are listed alphabetically, so 
>>> Voice Dream will be near the end of the list.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 29, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Lee Jones  wrote:
 
 Dear List, I listened to a podcast where someone was adding shortcuts to 
 siri for voice dream reader in all shortcuts in settings.  When I go into 
 voice dream in siri settings there are no shortcuts to add, even though it 
 says that shortcuts are turned on for the app.  There are other apps which 
 don’t seem to have the shortcuts that they should.  Does anyone have an 
 idea what is going on here.  Might there be some kine of regional issue, I 
 live in the UK.  I thought that voice dream was the same all over the 
 world.
 
 Many Thanks, Lee
 
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RE: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Mary, I also have heard from people who can't get Touch Id to work for the life 
of them. There will always be somebody for whom something won't work or 
something they don't like.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes

Hi Ed,
I would still rather have the home button. But Apple doesn’t see it that way. 
So, I feel very fortunate that the Face ID with the attention mode enabled is 
working for me. That doesn’t negate my concerns about it for those for whom it 
does not work at all or very well. And I have seen blind people having 
problems. Or I should say, I have heard of. People who are having problems with 
it. If you think that is talking out of both sides of my mouth, well I think 
that is a problem with your perceptions.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> I remember back a few months ago you were complaining about not having a home 
> button on the new iPhones. Also you complained adamantly about the face ID on 
> numerous emails. Then today or yesterday you said the face ID was working 
> very well on your new iPhone. You seem to talk out of both sides of your 
> mouth. LOL
> Have a good day. 
> Mr. Ed 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 11:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes
> 
> Mary,
> 
> New versions of iOS often did not offer the full feature set to older devices 
> and in some cases if hardware constraints make this impossible then that is 
> just how it is. If Apple decides to do this deliberately then it's a 
> different story, but if that is what they do then that is what they do. It is 
> their hardware and while you bought it it's definitely their software which 
> they make available for free and under their license terms so they can do 
> what they want.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes
> 
> Yes. Sure. So it’s OK for phones to be issued now that have last year‘s 
> operating system and that’s no big deal. But it’s a problem when Apple’s 
> newest operating system doesn’t have every feature available to older phones. 
> Right. Bull nuts.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 9:13 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> 
>> The carriers are in the loop, but they're by no means the only culprit here. 
>> Google pushes out new versions of Android, the manufacturers need to pick up 
>> these new versions and fold them into their own code bases and test them on 
>> their own devices and then turn around and make this available to the 
>> carriers for them to do something similar. This does take longer, but 
>> Google, the manufacturers and the carriers could all do more to make this 
>> process happen more quickly. Google has helped with Project Treble, where 
>> the hardware enablement piece is separate from the rest of the operating 
>> system, but manufacturers and carriers also add their own skins. Google also 
>> makes the new versions of the operating system available early to the 
>> manufacturers, but Google is also pushing out fixes to this code right up 
>> until it's officially released, causing the manufacturers and carriers to 
>> start over again, although with less and less effort each time. Note that 
>> this is for major versions of Android and not security patches, which get 
>> out to devices much more timely.
>> 
>> 
>> The entire Android ecosystem needs to address the issue with fragmentation, 
>> ongoing support of older devices and getting updates out to all devices more 
>> quickly. Fragmentation is a two edged sword though. Having multiple 
>> manufacturers involved and a more open ecosystem does has it's advantages, 
>> such as cheaper devices, more form factors and a greater degree of 
>> customization. IMHO, each ecosystem has their own advantages and 
>> disadvantages, and it's good that as blind consumers, we have accessible 
>> choices.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/28/18 10:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>> Not sure if it's so much that Android takes longer, in many cases people 
>>> who buy an Android device never get updates but to a large degree that 
>>> maybe the fault of the carriers. Apple has made it a condition from day 1 
>>> of the iPhone that they would have control over updates and they completely 
>>> cut carriers out from that.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of lenron brown
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 6:18 PM
>>> To: 

Re: Screen Brightness Annoyance When Rebooting iPhone 8 Plus

[Chris Chaffin]

Hello Mary,

I do the same as you, but a few people had their screen curtain on, and this 
seem to keep their brightness at zero for them.  So I gave it a try, and as I 
previously stated, it did not work out for me.

Chris


> On Oct 29, 2018, at 10:38 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> It seems to me that if you have auto brightness turned on, it’s not going to 
> stay at zero, because the whole point of auto brightness is to adjust the 
> brightness depending on the surrounding like conditions. At least, that’s my 
> understanding. I always have it off, and I turn it up if I need sighted 
> assistance with something.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 7:04 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mark,
>> 
>> I am running the latest ios on an iPhone 8, and I have seen many brightness 
>> issues ever since I have updated to ios 12.  And I have tested it, it does 
>> not matter whether screen curtain is on or off.
>> Here is what I have seen:
>> 
>> *  Ever time I restart my phone, and I just tested this again, my phone 
>> brightness is set to 100%.  And this happens whether screen curtain is on or 
>> off and if auto brightness is on or off.
>> * If I have auto brightness on, my brightness will increase from time to 
>> time, even if I have screen curtain on.  For example, I would turn it down 
>> to 0, and check later on, sometimes it would still be at 0, and sometimes I 
>> found it at 35%.  If I turned it back down to 0, things would just repeat 
>> itself after some time.  So I was forced to turn auto brightness off.
>> 
>> I understand that not everybody and all phones see this behavior, but it is 
>> happening.  I do not understand why, and even though I would guess that 
>> Apple would have a hard time reproducing it, I have submitted the problem to 
>> them in hopes that it might be resolved in a future update.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:36 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Mary, 
>>> 
>>> Since posting my original message on this, I have restarted my phone 3 
>>> times and cannot get the problem to reoccur.  Mind you, it's been 
>>> automatically dimming at start-up for about the past 5 days.  
>>> 
>>> Now, it restarts with the correct brightness level.  
>>> 
>>> Wow!
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 5:31 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Screen Brightness Annoyance When Rebooting iPhone 8 Plus
>>> 
>>> Interesting, Mark. I have seen the exact opposite. I want minute zero. I 
>>> set it to her. And sometimes it doesn’t stick. Go figure.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 28, 2018, at 5:18 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I think I saw something about this, on-list, a while ago but cannot 
 remember.  So I'll ask:
 
 When I reboot my iPhone 8 Plus, running iOS 12.01, the screen 
 brightness resets to zero or as low as it can go.
 
 Does anyone know why this is happening?  I have rebooted the phone 
 with and without VoiceOver enabled and the behavior of the screen 
 brightness, at reboot, remains the same.
 
 I have spent some time researching Google but, aside from one or two 
 comments, dated back at the beginning of the year, I cannot locate any 
 reason/solution for this.
 
 I don't remember this being a problem before the iOS 12.01 update.
 
 As always, all replies greatly appreciated.
 
 Mark
 
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RE: question

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Outlook is definitely available for iOS, but I agree he should provide more 
information, for example, is he asking how to get the email address for 
somebody from a list message if he wants to reply privately?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Steve 
Matzura
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: question

You're assuming he's using a phone. His mailer in the header says it's 
Outlook. Is Outlook available on a phone? It very well might be, I just 
don't know, not doing anything with email on anything without a real 
keyboard myself.


On 10/29/2018 7:00 AM, Thom Spittle wrote:
> If you navigate to the field for who you wanted to send it to, start typing 
> in the person’s name, usually just two or three letters should do. Then, 
> swipe to the right and people that fit that criteria will show up so you may 
> have to swipe to the right if you times depending on how many search results 
> you have. Then just double tap on the name.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 6:40 AM, anthony borg  wrote:
>>
>> Hello folks,
>> Could someone explain to me please when I come to compose an email, how I
>> could search for the persons' address and add it to the added field?
>> With thanks in advance for your help
>> Anthony
>>
>>

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Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes

[Mary Otten]

No, I don’t listen to the podcast you mentioned. I suppose I would expect a 
podcast dedicated to one operating system or another to have a bias in favor of 
the operating system, although I would hope that the folks who make the podcast 
would be able to be critical of their favorite when criticism is deserved. My 
problem with so-called mainstream business publications who are particularly 
one-sided in their coverage is that they are supposed to be mainstream, not a 
fan boy or girl.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:04 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> And let's not forget that almost every person and organisation shows a 
> preference for one thing or another. Maybe Forbs is more critical of Apple 
> than of Google, but have you ever listened to the Today in iOS Podcast? Many 
> really like Rob's iOS/Apple Podcasts and he sometimes says something critical 
> of Apple, but he usually bashes Android and Samsung completely and at times 
> his jabs are simply boring.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
> brown
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes
> 
> They have also talked bad about android as well so i don't see what
> the big deal is. If apple sucks sometimes it sucks. It's okay it won't
> stop you from using an IPhone.
> 
>> On 10/28/18, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> I totally agree. My problem is with the publication. Forbs has been for
>> sometime now very critical available. That is their right. But they are not
>> equally critical of Google. That’s the problem I have. Plus, if you have an
>> iPhone that is three years old and you can use the very latest features, all
>> of them, try that with android and see how far you get.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 9:27 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary,
>>> 
>>> New versions of iOS often did not offer the full feature set to older
>>> devices and in some cases if hardware constraints make this impossible
>>> then that is just how it is. If Apple decides to do this deliberately then
>>> it's a different story, but if that is what they do then that is what they
>>> do. It is their hardware and while you bought it it's definitely their
>>> software which they make available for free and under their license terms
>>> so they can do what they want.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:18 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes
>>> 
>>> Yes. Sure. So it’s OK for phones to be issued now that have last year‘s
>>> operating system and that’s no big deal. But it’s a problem when Apple’s
>>> newest operating system doesn’t have every feature available to older
>>> phones. Right. Bull nuts.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 28, 2018, at 9:13 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
 wrote:
 
 The carriers are in the loop, but they're by no means the only culprit
 here. Google pushes out new versions of Android, the manufacturers need
 to pick up these new versions and fold them into their own code bases and
 test them on their own devices and then turn around and make this
 available to the carriers for them to do something similar. This does
 take longer, but Google, the manufacturers and the carriers could all do
 more to make this process happen more quickly. Google has helped with
 Project Treble, where the hardware enablement piece is separate from the
 rest of the operating system, but manufacturers and carriers also add
 their own skins. Google also makes the new versions of the operating
 system available early to the manufacturers, but Google is also pushing
 out fixes to this code right up until it's officially released, causing
 the manufacturers and carriers to start over again, although with less
 and less effort each time. Note that this is for major versions of
 Android and not security patches, which get out to devices much more
 timely.
 
 
 The entire Android ecosystem needs to address the issue with
 fragmentation, ongoing support of older devices and getting updates out
 to all devices more quickly. Fragmentation is a two edged sword though.
 Having multiple manufacturers involved and a more open ecosystem does has
 it's advantages, such as cheaper devices, more form factors and a greater
 degree of customization. IMHO, each ecosystem has their own advantages
 and disadvantages, and it's good that as blind consumers, we have
 accessible choices.
 
 
 
> On 10/28/18 10:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> Not sure if it's so much that Android takes longer, in many cases people
> who buy an Android device never get updates but to a large degree 

RE: Screen Brightness Annoyance When Rebooting iPhone 8 Plus

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is exactly what auto brightness is supposed to do, but at some point Apple 
did make it so that when screencurtain was turned on brightness would get set 
to 0% regardless whether auto brightness was turned on or not. This makes 
complete sense, Apple has full control over their hardware and software and 
obviously if somebody turns on screencurtain they couldn't care less if 
brightness was kept up at 30% or whatever, it only uses more battery and just 
as certain behaviours are triggered when Voiceover is turned on I am sure Apple 
can trigger certain behaviours when screen curtain is turned on such as setting 
brightness to 0% and overwriting the auto brightness setting.
If of course this doesn't work as it should then Apple needs to figure out why.

Regards,
Sieghard
 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen Brightness Annoyance When Rebooting iPhone 8 Plus

Hi Chris,
It seems to me that if you have auto brightness turned on, it’s not going to 
stay at zero, because the whole point of auto brightness is to adjust the 
brightness depending on the surrounding like conditions. At least, that’s my 
understanding. I always have it off, and I turn it up if I need sighted 
assistance with something.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 7:04 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark,
> 
> I am running the latest ios on an iPhone 8, and I have seen many brightness 
> issues ever since I have updated to ios 12.  And I have tested it, it does 
> not matter whether screen curtain is on or off.
> Here is what I have seen:
> 
> *  Ever time I restart my phone, and I just tested this again, my phone 
> brightness is set to 100%.  And this happens whether screen curtain is on or 
> off and if auto brightness is on or off.
> * If I have auto brightness on, my brightness will increase from time to 
> time, even if I have screen curtain on.  For example, I would turn it down to 
> 0, and check later on, sometimes it would still be at 0, and sometimes I 
> found it at 35%.  If I turned it back down to 0, things would just repeat 
> itself after some time.  So I was forced to turn auto brightness off.
> 
> I understand that not everybody and all phones see this behavior, but it is 
> happening.  I do not understand why, and even though I would guess that Apple 
> would have a hard time reproducing it, I have submitted the problem to them 
> in hopes that it might be resolved in a future update.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:36 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mary, 
>> 
>> Since posting my original message on this, I have restarted my phone 3 times 
>> and cannot get the problem to reoccur.  Mind you, it's been automatically 
>> dimming at start-up for about the past 5 days.  
>> 
>> Now, it restarts with the correct brightness level.  
>> 
>> Wow!
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 5:31 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Screen Brightness Annoyance When Rebooting iPhone 8 Plus
>> 
>> Interesting, Mark. I have seen the exact opposite. I want minute zero. I set 
>> it to her. And sometimes it doesn’t stick. Go figure.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 5:18 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I think I saw something about this, on-list, a while ago but cannot 
>>> remember.  So I'll ask:
>>> 
>>> When I reboot my iPhone 8 Plus, running iOS 12.01, the screen 
>>> brightness resets to zero or as low as it can go.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know why this is happening?  I have rebooted the phone 
>>> with and without VoiceOver enabled and the behavior of the screen 
>>> brightness, at reboot, remains the same.
>>> 
>>> I have spent some time researching Google but, aside from one or two 
>>> comments, dated back at the beginning of the year, I cannot locate any 
>>> reason/solution for this.
>>> 
>>> I don't remember this being a problem before the iOS 12.01 update.
>>> 
>>> As always, all replies greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes

[Mary Otten]

Hi Ed,
I would still rather have the home button. But Apple doesn’t see it that way. 
So, I feel very fortunate that the Face ID with the attention mode enabled is 
working for me. That doesn’t negate my concerns about it for those for whom it 
does not work at all or very well. And I have seen blind people having 
problems. Or I should say, I have heard of. People who are having problems with 
it. If you think that is talking out of both sides of my mouth, well I think 
that is a problem with your perceptions.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> I remember back a few months ago you were complaining about not having a home 
> button on the new iPhones. Also you complained adamantly about the face ID on 
> numerous emails. Then today or yesterday you said the face ID was working 
> very well on your new iPhone. You seem to talk out of both sides of your 
> mouth. LOL
> Have a good day. 
> Mr. Ed 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 11:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes
> 
> Mary,
> 
> New versions of iOS often did not offer the full feature set to older devices 
> and in some cases if hardware constraints make this impossible then that is 
> just how it is. If Apple decides to do this deliberately then it's a 
> different story, but if that is what they do then that is what they do. It is 
> their hardware and while you bought it it's definitely their software which 
> they make available for free and under their license terms so they can do 
> what they want.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes
> 
> Yes. Sure. So it’s OK for phones to be issued now that have last year‘s 
> operating system and that’s no big deal. But it’s a problem when Apple’s 
> newest operating system doesn’t have every feature available to older phones. 
> Right. Bull nuts.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 9:13 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> 
>> The carriers are in the loop, but they're by no means the only culprit here. 
>> Google pushes out new versions of Android, the manufacturers need to pick up 
>> these new versions and fold them into their own code bases and test them on 
>> their own devices and then turn around and make this available to the 
>> carriers for them to do something similar. This does take longer, but 
>> Google, the manufacturers and the carriers could all do more to make this 
>> process happen more quickly. Google has helped with Project Treble, where 
>> the hardware enablement piece is separate from the rest of the operating 
>> system, but manufacturers and carriers also add their own skins. Google also 
>> makes the new versions of the operating system available early to the 
>> manufacturers, but Google is also pushing out fixes to this code right up 
>> until it's officially released, causing the manufacturers and carriers to 
>> start over again, although with less and less effort each time. Note that 
>> this is for major versions of Android and not security patches, which get 
>> out to devices much more timely.
>> 
>> 
>> The entire Android ecosystem needs to address the issue with fragmentation, 
>> ongoing support of older devices and getting updates out to all devices more 
>> quickly. Fragmentation is a two edged sword though. Having multiple 
>> manufacturers involved and a more open ecosystem does has it's advantages, 
>> such as cheaper devices, more form factors and a greater degree of 
>> customization. IMHO, each ecosystem has their own advantages and 
>> disadvantages, and it's good that as blind consumers, we have accessible 
>> choices.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/28/18 10:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>> Not sure if it's so much that Android takes longer, in many cases people 
>>> who buy an Android device never get updates but to a large degree that 
>>> maybe the fault of the carriers. Apple has made it a condition from day 1 
>>> of the iPhone that they would have control over updates and they completely 
>>> cut carriers out from that.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of lenron brown
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 6:18 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes
>>> 
>>> Everyone knows that android takes a bit longer to get updates.
>>> Considering the fact that there are many different makers of devices 
>>> and stuff. Apple is one company remember? Anyways I am sure many will 
>>> be ok with just audio calls.
>>> 
 On 10/28/18, Mary Otten  wrote:
 Major Jan. I thought apple said at the 

RE: Podcast Apps

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Completely agree, Overcast was quite quick in releasing an update with SIRI 
shortcut support.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Podcast Apps


Even though you said you are not favorable to Overcast, I think it has probably 
the most shortcuts available.  On top of being able to play the most current 
episode of any of the podcast you are subscribed too, you also have shortcuts 
for play, pause, rewinding, fast forwarding, plus many of the Overcast settings.
I have tried many of the podcast apps out there over the years, and Overcast is 
my favorite and what I use now, but in the end, it is a personal preference.

Chris


> On Oct 29, 2018, at 10:09 AM, Lee Jones  wrote:
> 
> Dear List, I wondered what podcast apps people would recommend that are both 
> accessible, and have good support for siri shortcuts.  I bought downcast 
> years ago, but I am finding it irritating and so far it has no  support for 
> siri shortcuts, albeit I can’t get shortcuts to work with voice dream either. 
>  I know that overcast is the new fashion, but I don’t like the idea of a 
> rolling subscription.  Are there any other alternatives?
> 
> Many Thanks, Lee
> 
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RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

[Carolyn Arnold]

Isn't there a setting for vibrate level in the newer phones - I thought three 
levels of sensitivity? 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
r...@startmail.com
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 11:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

I don’t feel a thing.  Do I have it turned off or something.  My sense of touch 
is good enough I ought to be able to detect it.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Devin 
Prater
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 10:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

 

Oh good, thanks Mary for confirming that it has taptic feedback, as that's the 
next phone I'll be getting, the X R. 

Devin Prater

Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

JAWS certified 


On Oct 27, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes, the iPhone XR does have haptic feedback. It does not have 3D 
Touch. But at least on mine, when I slide my finger of the screen or down from 
the top, I get a tactile feedback. Not just the sound.
Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2018, at 8:24 AM, mailto:r...@startmail.com> > mailto:r...@startmail.com> > 
wrote:

The IPhone XR doesn’t have taptic feedbvack.

 

I figured out that when voice over starts reading items on the 
screen as I move my finger from the top or bottom of the screen that I am 
moving it too slowly.  When I move my finger a little faster the tones are all 
that are “spoken”.  

 

I also figured out that if I do not hear the tone at the top or 
bottom of the screen that I have not started my finger movement in the right 
place.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 9:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on 
IPhone XR

 

You should also have haptic feedback meaning there should be a 
vibration when you reach the first and second point for app switcher and home 
screen.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of r...@startmail.com 
 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on 
IPhone XR

 

I figured out part of my problem is that the app switcher comes 
up at the third plunk, not the first.

 

Thanks for the idea of the assist gestures.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ed Worrell
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:31 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on 
IPhone XR

 

Hello,

 

Yes you can set up the assistive touch option and have menu 
options. This will show up as a small dot on the screen that you can actually 
set to utilize the home gesture, app switcher, Notification Center and control 
center. It’s not ideal but it could work as a work around in noisy situations.

 

Please let me know if you need or want any further assistance 
setting this option up. You can email me off list at 
e...@overhereconsulting.net  

 

Thanks,

 

Ed Worrell

CEO/Co-Founder OverHere Consulting LLP

 

On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:31 PM, mailto:r...@startmail.com> > mailto:r...@startmail.com> > 
wrote:

 

Are there any alternative ways to bring up the home 
screen or the app switcher?

Part of my problem is hearing the tones because they 
seem pretty quiet.  Is there a way to change the sound to something I can hear 
better?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Maria Reyes

RE: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Ed,

I think Mary sometimes does what we all do, we comment on something without 
having first hand knowledge or experience and later on when we do have such 
first hand knowledge or experience we suddenly realize that what we said was 
incorrect. Maybe Mary should have qualified her comment about Face Id working 
very well by saying that even though she previously was negative about it, her 
own experience now has prooven her wrong, but then again, who wants to be 
wrong? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes

And let's not forget that almost every person and organisation shows a 
preference for one thing or another. Maybe Forbs is more critical of Apple than 
of Google, but have you ever listened to the Today in iOS Podcast? Many really 
like Rob's iOS/Apple Podcasts and he sometimes says something critical of 
Apple, but he usually bashes Android and Samsung completely and at times his 
jabs are simply boring.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes

They have also talked bad about android as well so i don't see what
the big deal is. If apple sucks sometimes it sucks. It's okay it won't
stop you from using an IPhone.

On 10/28/18, Mary Otten  wrote:
>  I totally agree. My problem is with the publication. Forbs has been for
> sometime now very critical available. That is their right. But they are not
> equally critical of Google. That’s the problem I have. Plus, if you have an
> iPhone that is three years old and you can use the very latest features, all
> of them, try that with android and see how far you get.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 9:27 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> Mary,
>>
>> New versions of iOS often did not offer the full feature set to older
>> devices and in some cases if hardware constraints make this impossible
>> then that is just how it is. If Apple decides to do this deliberately then
>> it's a different story, but if that is what they do then that is what they
>> do. It is their hardware and while you bought it it's definitely their
>> software which they make available for free and under their license terms
>> so they can do what they want.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes
>>
>> Yes. Sure. So it’s OK for phones to be issued now that have last year‘s
>> operating system and that’s no big deal. But it’s a problem when Apple’s
>> newest operating system doesn’t have every feature available to older
>> phones. Right. Bull nuts.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 9:13 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The carriers are in the loop, but they're by no means the only culprit
>>> here. Google pushes out new versions of Android, the manufacturers need
>>> to pick up these new versions and fold them into their own code bases and
>>> test them on their own devices and then turn around and make this
>>> available to the carriers for them to do something similar. This does
>>> take longer, but Google, the manufacturers and the carriers could all do
>>> more to make this process happen more quickly. Google has helped with
>>> Project Treble, where the hardware enablement piece is separate from the
>>> rest of the operating system, but manufacturers and carriers also add
>>> their own skins. Google also makes the new versions of the operating
>>> system available early to the manufacturers, but Google is also pushing
>>> out fixes to this code right up until it's officially released, causing
>>> the manufacturers and carriers to start over again, although with less
>>> and less effort each time. Note that this is for major versions of
>>> Android and not security patches, which get out to devices much more
>>> timely.
>>>
>>>
>>> The entire Android ecosystem needs to address the issue with
>>> fragmentation, ongoing support of older devices and getting updates out
>>> to all devices more quickly. Fragmentation is a two edged sword though.
>>> Having multiple manufacturers involved and a more open ecosystem does has
>>> it's advantages, such as cheaper devices, more form factors and a greater
>>> degree of customization. IMHO, each ecosystem has their own advantages
>>> and disadvantages, and it's good that as blind consumers, we have
>>> accessible choices.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On 10/28/18 10:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Not sure if it's so much that Android takes longer, in many cases people
 who buy an Android device never get updates but to a large degree that

RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

[rhs]

I don’t feel a thing.  Do I have it turned off or something.  My sense of touch 
is good enough I ought to be able to detect it.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Devin 
Prater
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 10:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

 

Oh good, thanks Mary for confirming that it has taptic feedback, as that's the 
next phone I'll be getting, the X R. 

Devin Prater

Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

JAWS certified 


On Oct 27, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes, the iPhone XR does have haptic feedback. It does not have 3D Touch. But at 
least on mine, when I slide my finger of the screen or down from the top, I get 
a tactile feedback. Not just the sound.
Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2018, at 8:24 AM, mailto:r...@startmail.com> > 
mailto:r...@startmail.com> > wrote:

The IPhone XR doesn’t have taptic feedbvack.

 

I figured out that when voice over starts reading items on the screen as I move 
my finger from the top or bottom of the screen that I am moving it too slowly.  
When I move my finger a little faster the tones are all that are “spoken”.  

 

I also figured out that if I do not hear the tone at the top or bottom of the 
screen that I have not started my finger movement in the right place.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 9:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

 

You should also have haptic feedback meaning there should be a vibration when 
you reach the first and second point for app switcher and home screen.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
r...@startmail.com  
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

 

I figured out part of my problem is that the app switcher comes up at the third 
plunk, not the first.

 

Thanks for the idea of the assist gestures.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:31 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

 

Hello,

 

Yes you can set up the assistive touch option and have menu options. This will 
show up as a small dot on the screen that you can actually set to utilize the 
home gesture, app switcher, Notification Center and control center. It’s not 
ideal but it could work as a work around in noisy situations.

 

Please let me know if you need or want any further assistance setting this 
option up. You can email me off list at e...@overhereconsulting.net 
 

 

Thanks,

 

Ed Worrell

CEO/Co-Founder OverHere Consulting LLP

 

On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:31 PM, mailto:r...@startmail.com> > 
mailto:r...@startmail.com> > wrote:

 

Are there any alternative ways to bring up the home screen or the app switcher?

Part of my problem is hearing the tones because they seem pretty quiet.  Is 
there a way to change the sound to something I can hear better?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Maria Reyes
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

Not Greg but to power off the phone you have to press and hold the power and 
one of the volume buttons until the power off screen comes up. 

My group: 
marias-chat+subscr...@googlegroups.com 
 

On Oct 26, 2018, at 3:37 PM, Cris Ali mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Greg,
The side button is the power button, right?  I thought if you long press the 
power button it will turn the phone off.  Or is turning off the phone is now 
done differently?

Sorry for these basic questions.

Cheers,

Cris

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Greg 
Wocher
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Bringing up the home screen and app switcher on IPhone XR

Hello,
On the new phones you activate siri by long pressing the side button. 

Greg Wocher




On Oct 26, 2018, at 3:31 PM, Cris Ali mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

No I am not referring to hey 

RE: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And let's not forget that almost every person and organisation shows a 
preference for one thing or another. Maybe Forbs is more critical of Apple than 
of Google, but have you ever listened to the Today in iOS Podcast? Many really 
like Rob's iOS/Apple Podcasts and he sometimes says something critical of 
Apple, but he usually bashes Android and Samsung completely and at times his 
jabs are simply boring.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes

They have also talked bad about android as well so i don't see what
the big deal is. If apple sucks sometimes it sucks. It's okay it won't
stop you from using an IPhone.

On 10/28/18, Mary Otten  wrote:
>  I totally agree. My problem is with the publication. Forbs has been for
> sometime now very critical available. That is their right. But they are not
> equally critical of Google. That’s the problem I have. Plus, if you have an
> iPhone that is three years old and you can use the very latest features, all
> of them, try that with android and see how far you get.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 9:27 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> Mary,
>>
>> New versions of iOS often did not offer the full feature set to older
>> devices and in some cases if hardware constraints make this impossible
>> then that is just how it is. If Apple decides to do this deliberately then
>> it's a different story, but if that is what they do then that is what they
>> do. It is their hardware and while you bought it it's definitely their
>> software which they make available for free and under their license terms
>> so they can do what they want.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes
>>
>> Yes. Sure. So it’s OK for phones to be issued now that have last year‘s
>> operating system and that’s no big deal. But it’s a problem when Apple’s
>> newest operating system doesn’t have every feature available to older
>> phones. Right. Bull nuts.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 9:13 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The carriers are in the loop, but they're by no means the only culprit
>>> here. Google pushes out new versions of Android, the manufacturers need
>>> to pick up these new versions and fold them into their own code bases and
>>> test them on their own devices and then turn around and make this
>>> available to the carriers for them to do something similar. This does
>>> take longer, but Google, the manufacturers and the carriers could all do
>>> more to make this process happen more quickly. Google has helped with
>>> Project Treble, where the hardware enablement piece is separate from the
>>> rest of the operating system, but manufacturers and carriers also add
>>> their own skins. Google also makes the new versions of the operating
>>> system available early to the manufacturers, but Google is also pushing
>>> out fixes to this code right up until it's officially released, causing
>>> the manufacturers and carriers to start over again, although with less
>>> and less effort each time. Note that this is for major versions of
>>> Android and not security patches, which get out to devices much more
>>> timely.
>>>
>>>
>>> The entire Android ecosystem needs to address the issue with
>>> fragmentation, ongoing support of older devices and getting updates out
>>> to all devices more quickly. Fragmentation is a two edged sword though.
>>> Having multiple manufacturers involved and a more open ecosystem does has
>>> it's advantages, such as cheaper devices, more form factors and a greater
>>> degree of customization. IMHO, each ecosystem has their own advantages
>>> and disadvantages, and it's good that as blind consumers, we have
>>> accessible choices.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On 10/28/18 10:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Not sure if it's so much that Android takes longer, in many cases people
 who buy an Android device never get updates but to a large degree that
 maybe the fault of the carriers. Apple has made it a condition from day
 1 of the iPhone that they would have control over updates and they
 completely cut carriers out from that.

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
 Of lenron brown
 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 6:18 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes

 Everyone knows that android takes a bit longer to get updates.
 Considering the fact that there are many different makers of devices
 and stuff. Apple is one company remember? Anyways I am sure many will
 be ok with just audio calls.

RE: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Mary,
I remember back a few months ago you were complaining about not having a home 
button on the new iPhones. Also you complained adamantly about the face ID on 
numerous emails. Then today or yesterday you said the face ID was working very 
well on your new iPhone. You seem to talk out of both sides of your mouth. LOL
Have a good day. 
Mr. Ed 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 11:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes

Mary,

New versions of iOS often did not offer the full feature set to older devices 
and in some cases if hardware constraints make this impossible then that is 
just how it is. If Apple decides to do this deliberately then it's a different 
story, but if that is what they do then that is what they do. It is their 
hardware and while you bought it it's definitely their software which they make 
available for free and under their license terms so they can do what they want.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes

Yes. Sure. So it’s OK for phones to be issued now that have last year‘s 
operating system and that’s no big deal. But it’s a problem when Apple’s newest 
operating system doesn’t have every feature available to older phones. Right. 
Bull nuts.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2018, at 9:13 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> The carriers are in the loop, but they're by no means the only culprit here. 
> Google pushes out new versions of Android, the manufacturers need to pick up 
> these new versions and fold them into their own code bases and test them on 
> their own devices and then turn around and make this available to the 
> carriers for them to do something similar. This does take longer, but Google, 
> the manufacturers and the carriers could all do more to make this process 
> happen more quickly. Google has helped with Project Treble, where the 
> hardware enablement piece is separate from the rest of the operating system, 
> but manufacturers and carriers also add their own skins. Google also makes 
> the new versions of the operating system available early to the 
> manufacturers, but Google is also pushing out fixes to this code right up 
> until it's officially released, causing the manufacturers and carriers to 
> start over again, although with less and less effort each time. Note that 
> this is for major versions of Android and not security patches, which get out 
> to devices much more timely.
> 
> 
> The entire Android ecosystem needs to address the issue with fragmentation, 
> ongoing support of older devices and getting updates out to all devices more 
> quickly. Fragmentation is a two edged sword though. Having multiple 
> manufacturers involved and a more open ecosystem does has it's advantages, 
> such as cheaper devices, more form factors and a greater degree of 
> customization. IMHO, each ecosystem has their own advantages and 
> disadvantages, and it's good that as blind consumers, we have accessible 
> choices.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/28/18 10:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> Not sure if it's so much that Android takes longer, in many cases people who 
>> buy an Android device never get updates but to a large degree that maybe the 
>> fault of the carriers. Apple has made it a condition from day 1 of the 
>> iPhone that they would have control over updates and they completely cut 
>> carriers out from that.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 6:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes
>> 
>> Everyone knows that android takes a bit longer to get updates.
>> Considering the fact that there are many different makers of devices 
>> and stuff. Apple is one company remember? Anyways I am sure many will 
>> be ok with just audio calls.
>> 
>>> On 10/28/18, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> Major Jan. I thought apple said at the beginning that this feature 
>>> wouldn’t be available for all of the phones that could run the OS. 
>>> Where is Forbes magazine when it comes to the fact that after three 
>>> months, the latest android system doesn’t even make the graph of 
>>> Andrea installs according to Andrea police? I guess that’s not a 
>>> calamity. The fact that an android system several years old has more 
>>> install base then the latest and greatest after three months isn’t a 
>>> calamity. Forbes just isn’t worth posting anywhere. They don’t like apple 
>>> and that’s fine. But who cares?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 28, 2018, at 5:34 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise By Gordon 

RE: Unable to do anything with my iPhone. I am not sure what the problem is!

[Carolyn Arnold]

You can put your setting on Automatic Answer, answers on the second ring - a 
very good thing for people like my nephew with ALS. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unable to do anything with my iPhone. I am not sure what the 
problem is!

I wonder if Siri will ever allow us to answer calls?
That would be something.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!

On Oct 28, 2018, at 11:44 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:



And why Apple doesn’t allow people to tell SIRI “Turn off my phone” and 
then that would bring up the power off screen is beyond me.

I was just going to go on and rant some more because it used to be that 
when I said “Open General Settings” SIRI would say something like “Sorry 
Sieghard, I can’t do that”.

Of course I can say Accessibility Settings, Voiceover Settings, Sound 
Settings, WiFi Settings, SIRI Settings and all sorts of other things, but 
General Settings never used to work.

Now I thought before I send this message I better try it to write down 
what SIRI says and to my surprise now General Settings opens although 
interestingly enough SIRI still started saying “Sorry Sieghard” and then it 
stopped and Settings > General opened.

I repeated it and SIRI said “Oh, Oh” just as if she was about to say 
“Oh Oh, I can’t do that” but then again General Settings opened.

I should add to this that I am running the public beta of iOS 12.1 
which will probably be out in a week or so, I would be curious to hear what 
others experience when they say “General Settings” or “Open General Settings”.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 6:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Unable to do anything with my iPhone. I am not sure what 
the problem is!

 

You can also go to settings > general and at the way bottom of the 
screen you can find a shut down button. that will bring up the power off 
screen. 


On Oct 28, 2018, at 8:40 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Pressing one of the volume buttons with the side button will 
bring up the power off screen. Just don’t hold of him too long, or I guess it 
will dial 911 which you don’t want. I actually don’t know any other way to 
bring up the power off screen.



Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 28, 2018, at 5:33 PM, Cris Ali mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

Right Maria, RI think that is what I did when it dialed 
911.  I thought pressing one of the volume buttons with the side button would 
bring up the turn off screen, but instead it dialed 911.  How does one turn the 
phone off then?  Pressing the side button alone brings SIRI.

 

From: 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 8:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Unable to do anything with my iPhone. I am 
not sure what the problem is!

 

I've also heard that if you press and hold one of the 
volume buttons and the power buttons you can end up dialing 911. I think you 
can disable this Emergency SOS settings. 


On Oct 28, 2018, at 7:40 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

In iOS 12, hitting the power button 5 times 
quickly does the emergency SOS and calls 911 and anyone else you set up as 
emergency contacts. 

Richard

 

 

"It is a great thing to start life with a small 
number of really good books which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan 
Doyle 


On Oct 28, 2018, at 4:24 PM, Cris Ali 
mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Mary and all,

Finally I got my phone working.

I went to the apple store and they gave 
me a new phone.  They tried to restore my iPhone several times and it remained 
stuck in the same place I saw in my home when I tried to set it up.

The technician did not want to waste 
too much time.  

RE: Unable to do anything with my iPhone. I am not sure what the problem is!

[Mr. Ed]

Hey Sieghard,

Did you see Santa up at the North Pole when you were up on that latter? LOL

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 11:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Unable to do anything with my iPhone. I am not sure what the 
problem is!

 

That would be one feature I don’t think I would ever use and one I had never 
even thought about.

If I have to push and hold the home button and then say “SIRI, answer the call” 
or evenjust “Answer” I might as well just double tap with 2 finger to answer 
and if I wear a headset I already have a button I can press to answer.

I guess the only exception to this would be if it worked just on device without 
interaction similar to how it is with a number of Plantronics headsets where 
when the phone rings you can simply say “Answer”. This would mean as soon as 
the phone rings SIRI would need to be listening for the word “Answer” or 
“Ignore”.

If I am doing something like cooking where I may have dirty hands I can always 
turn on auto answer. Yesterday we had a nice sunny day and I wanted to get my 
Christmas lights up on a 25 foot tall spruce tree in my front yard before it 
was full of snow which at this time of the year can happen any time. I left my 
staff at my store since it wasn’t so busy and went home, but while I was up on 
the ladder I knew I might not be able to or want to answer a call so I put in 
my headset and set the phone to auto answer after 5 seconds.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anthony 
Vece
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unable to do anything with my iPhone. I am not sure what the 
problem is!

 

I wonder if Siri will ever allow us to answer calls?

That would be something.

Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!


On Oct 28, 2018, at 11:44 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

And why Apple doesn’t allow people to tell SIRI “Turn off my phone” and then 
that would bring up the power off screen is beyond me.

I was just going to go on and rant some more because it used to be that when I 
said “Open General Settings” SIRI would say something like “Sorry Sieghard, I 
can’t do that”.

Of course I can say Accessibility Settings, Voiceover Settings, Sound Settings, 
WiFi Settings, SIRI Settings and all sorts of other things, but General 
Settings never used to work.

Now I thought before I send this message I better try it to write down what 
SIRI says and to my surprise now General Settings opens although interestingly 
enough SIRI still started saying “Sorry Sieghard” and then it stopped and 
Settings > General opened.

I repeated it and SIRI said “Oh, Oh” just as if she was about to say “Oh Oh, I 
can’t do that” but then again General Settings opened.

I should add to this that I am running the public beta of iOS 12.1 which will 
probably be out in a week or so, I would be curious to hear what others 
experience when they say “General Settings” or “Open General Settings”.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 6:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unable to do anything with my iPhone. I am not sure what the 
problem is!

 

You can also go to settings > general and at the way bottom of the screen you 
can find a shut down button. that will bring up the power off screen. 


On Oct 28, 2018, at 8:40 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Pressing one of the volume buttons with the side button will bring up the power 
off screen. Just don’t hold of him too long, or I guess it will dial 911 which 
you don’t want. I actually don’t know any other way to bring up the power off 
screen.



Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 28, 2018, at 5:33 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:

Right Maria, RI think that is what I did when it dialed 911.  I thought 
pressing one of the volume buttons with the side button would bring up the turn 
off screen, but instead it dialed 911.  How does one turn the phone off then?  
Pressing the side button alone brings SIRI.

 

From: 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 8:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unable to do anything with my iPhone. I am not sure what the 
problem is!

 

I've also heard that if you press and hold one of the volume buttons and the 
power buttons you can end up dialing 911. I think you can disable this 
Emergency SOS settings. 


On Oct 28, 2018, at 7:40 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 

In iOS 12, hitting the power button 5 times quickly does the emergency SOS and 
calls 911 and anyone else you set up as emergency contacts. 

Richard

 

 

"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books 
which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 


On Oct 28, 2018, at 4:24 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:

Hi Mary and all,

Finally I got my phone working.

I went to the apple store and they gave me a new phone.  They tried to restore 
my iPhone several times 

Re: question

[Steve Matzura]

You're assuming he's using a phone. His mailer in the header says it's 
Outlook. Is Outlook available on a phone? It very well might be, I just 
don't know, not doing anything with email on anything without a real 
keyboard myself.



On 10/29/2018 7:00 AM, Thom Spittle wrote:

If you navigate to the field for who you wanted to send it to, start typing in 
the person’s name, usually just two or three letters should do. Then, swipe to 
the right and people that fit that criteria will show up so you may have to 
swipe to the right if you times depending on how many search results you have. 
Then just double tap on the name.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 29, 2018, at 6:40 AM, anthony borg  wrote:

Hello folks,
Could someone explain to me please when I come to compose an email, how I
could search for the persons' address and add it to the added field?
With thanks in advance for your help
Anthony




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Re: question

[Steve Matzura]

Since  you're using Outlook, can you not simply place a comma and space 
after the first name, then type the next one, and so on? Or maybe 
Outlook wants the user to type one name per line? Either of these 
methods should work.



On 10/29/2018 6:40 AM, anthony borg wrote:

Hello folks,
Could someone explain to me please when I come to compose an email, how I
could search for the persons' address and add it to the added field?
With thanks in advance for your help
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Re: Screen Brightness Annoyance When Rebooting iPhone 8 Plus

[Mary Otten]

Hi Chris,
It seems to me that if you have auto brightness turned on, it’s not going to 
stay at zero, because the whole point of auto brightness is to adjust the 
brightness depending on the surrounding like conditions. At least, that’s my 
understanding. I always have it off, and I turn it up if I need sighted 
assistance with something.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 7:04 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark,
> 
> I am running the latest ios on an iPhone 8, and I have seen many brightness 
> issues ever since I have updated to ios 12.  And I have tested it, it does 
> not matter whether screen curtain is on or off.
> Here is what I have seen:
> 
> *  Ever time I restart my phone, and I just tested this again, my phone 
> brightness is set to 100%.  And this happens whether screen curtain is on or 
> off and if auto brightness is on or off.
> * If I have auto brightness on, my brightness will increase from time to 
> time, even if I have screen curtain on.  For example, I would turn it down to 
> 0, and check later on, sometimes it would still be at 0, and sometimes I 
> found it at 35%.  If I turned it back down to 0, things would just repeat 
> itself after some time.  So I was forced to turn auto brightness off.
> 
> I understand that not everybody and all phones see this behavior, but it is 
> happening.  I do not understand why, and even though I would guess that Apple 
> would have a hard time reproducing it, I have submitted the problem to them 
> in hopes that it might be resolved in a future update.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:36 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mary, 
>> 
>> Since posting my original message on this, I have restarted my phone 3 times 
>> and cannot get the problem to reoccur.  Mind you, it's been automatically 
>> dimming at start-up for about the past 5 days.  
>> 
>> Now, it restarts with the correct brightness level.  
>> 
>> Wow!
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 5:31 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Screen Brightness Annoyance When Rebooting iPhone 8 Plus
>> 
>> Interesting, Mark. I have seen the exact opposite. I want minute zero. I set 
>> it to her. And sometimes it doesn’t stick. Go figure.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 5:18 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I think I saw something about this, on-list, a while ago but cannot 
>>> remember.  So I'll ask:
>>> 
>>> When I reboot my iPhone 8 Plus, running iOS 12.01, the screen 
>>> brightness resets to zero or as low as it can go.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know why this is happening?  I have rebooted the phone 
>>> with and without VoiceOver enabled and the behavior of the screen 
>>> brightness, at reboot, remains the same.
>>> 
>>> I have spent some time researching Google but, aside from one or two 
>>> comments, dated back at the beginning of the year, I cannot locate any 
>>> reason/solution for this.
>>> 
>>> I don't remember this being a problem before the iOS 12.01 update.
>>> 
>>> As always, all replies greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Mark
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Re: Radio Apps

[Mary Otten]

Hi Lee,
There is an app called myTuner. There is also a myTuner Pro, which is the one I 
have. I don’t know the differences anymore. But the app doesn’t support Siri 
shortcuts. For instance, if there is a station you like, once you have tune to 
that station, you can then easily make a Siri shortcut wear from the main 
screen, you can just say your shortcut word or phrase, and myTuner opens to 
that station and starts playing it.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 7:26 AM, Lee Jones  wrote:
> 
> Dear list, I am looking for a radio app that is both accessible and has good 
> support for siri shortcuts.  Can be free or one time purchase.  Any ideas?
> 
> Many Thanks, Lee
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Radio Apps

[Lee Jones]

Dear list, I am looking for a radio app that is both accessible and has good 
support for siri shortcuts.  Can be free or one time purchase.  Any ideas?

Many Thanks, Lee

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Re: Podcast Apps

[Chris Chaffin]

Even though you said you are not favorable to Overcast, I think it has probably 
the most shortcuts available.  On top of being able to play the most current 
episode of any of the podcast you are subscribed too, you also have shortcuts 
for play, pause, rewinding, fast forwarding, plus many of the Overcast settings.
I have tried many of the podcast apps out there over the years, and Overcast is 
my favorite and what I use now, but in the end, it is a personal preference.

Chris


> On Oct 29, 2018, at 10:09 AM, Lee Jones  wrote:
> 
> Dear List, I wondered what podcast apps people would recommend that are both 
> accessible, and have good support for siri shortcuts.  I bought downcast 
> years ago, but I am finding it irritating and so far it has no  support for 
> siri shortcuts, albeit I can’t get shortcuts to work with voice dream either. 
>  I know that overcast is the new fashion, but I don’t like the idea of a 
> rolling subscription.  Are there any other alternatives?
> 
> Many Thanks, Lee
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Re: Missing Voice Dream Shortcuts

[Chris Chaffin]

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I think there is just one shortcut 
available for Voice Dream Reader at this time.
Glad you have found it.

Chris


> On Oct 29, 2018, at 9:50 AM, Lee Jones  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I tried opening the voice dream app as you suggested and then going back 
> into all shortcuts, and now I have the grand total of one voice dream 
> shortcut, play reading list.  I am updated I think, as there are no voice 
> dream updates shown as pending in the app store, and I have the latest what’s 
> new fileds in my library.  Any advice would be gratefully received.
> 
> Many Thanks, Lee
> 
>> On 29 Oct 2018, at 12:51, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Now for me, Voice Dream did not show up in Siri Settings until I opened up 
>> the Voice Dream app.  But from what you have said, you have done this, and 
>> like Richard, I would not think this is a country specific feature.
>> Just to make sure you are looking in the right place, once you go to Siri 
>> Settings, double tap on All Shortcuts, they are listed alphabetically, so 
>> Voice Dream will be near the end of the list.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Lee Jones  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear List, I listened to a podcast where someone was adding shortcuts to 
>>> siri for voice dream reader in all shortcuts in settings.  When I go into 
>>> voice dream in siri settings there are no shortcuts to add, even though it 
>>> says that shortcuts are turned on for the app.  There are other apps which 
>>> don’t seem to have the shortcuts that they should.  Does anyone have an 
>>> idea what is going on here.  Might there be some kine of regional issue, I 
>>> live in the UK.  I thought that voice dream was the same all over the world.
>>> 
>>> Many Thanks, Lee
>>> 
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Podcast Apps

[Lee Jones]

Dear List, I wondered what podcast apps people would recommend that are both 
accessible, and have good support for siri shortcuts.  I bought downcast years 
ago, but I am finding it irritating and so far it has no  support for siri 
shortcuts, albeit I can’t get shortcuts to work with voice dream either.  I 
know that overcast is the new fashion, but I don’t like the idea of a rolling 
subscription.  Are there any other alternatives?

Many Thanks, Lee

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Re: Screen Brightness Annoyance When Rebooting iPhone 8 Plus

[Chris Chaffin]

Hello Mark,

I am running the latest ios on an iPhone 8, and I have seen many brightness 
issues ever since I have updated to ios 12.  And I have tested it, it does not 
matter whether screen curtain is on or off.
Here is what I have seen:

*  Ever time I restart my phone, and I just tested this again, my phone 
brightness is set to 100%.  And this happens whether screen curtain is on or 
off and if auto brightness is on or off.
* If I have auto brightness on, my brightness will increase from time to time, 
even if I have screen curtain on.  For example, I would turn it down to 0, and 
check later on, sometimes it would still be at 0, and sometimes I found it at 
35%.  If I turned it back down to 0, things would just repeat itself after some 
time.  So I was forced to turn auto brightness off.

I understand that not everybody and all phones see this behavior, but it is 
happening.  I do not understand why, and even though I would guess that Apple 
would have a hard time reproducing it, I have submitted the problem to them in 
hopes that it might be resolved in a future update.

Chris


> On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:36 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mary, 
> 
> Since posting my original message on this, I have restarted my phone 3 times 
> and cannot get the problem to reoccur.  Mind you, it's been automatically 
> dimming at start-up for about the past 5 days.  
> 
> Now, it restarts with the correct brightness level.  
> 
> Wow!
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 5:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Screen Brightness Annoyance When Rebooting iPhone 8 Plus
> 
> Interesting, Mark. I have seen the exact opposite. I want minute zero. I set 
> it to her. And sometimes it doesn’t stick. Go figure.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 5:18 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I think I saw something about this, on-list, a while ago but cannot 
>> remember.  So I'll ask:
>> 
>> When I reboot my iPhone 8 Plus, running iOS 12.01, the screen 
>> brightness resets to zero or as low as it can go.
>> 
>> Does anyone know why this is happening?  I have rebooted the phone 
>> with and without VoiceOver enabled and the behavior of the screen 
>> brightness, at reboot, remains the same.
>> 
>> I have spent some time researching Google but, aside from one or two 
>> comments, dated back at the beginning of the year, I cannot locate any 
>> reason/solution for this.
>> 
>> I don't remember this being a problem before the iOS 12.01 update.
>> 
>> As always, all replies greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: Missing Voice Dream Shortcuts

[Lee Jones]

Hi, I tried opening the voice dream app as you suggested and then going back 
into all shortcuts, and now I have the grand total of one voice dream shortcut, 
play reading list.  I am updated I think, as there are no voice dream updates 
shown as pending in the app store, and I have the latest what’s new fileds in 
my library.  Any advice would be gratefully received.

Many Thanks, Lee
 
> On 29 Oct 2018, at 12:51, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> 
> Now for me, Voice Dream did not show up in Siri Settings until I opened up 
> the Voice Dream app.  But from what you have said, you have done this, and 
> like Richard, I would not think this is a country specific feature.
> Just to make sure you are looking in the right place, once you go to Siri 
> Settings, double tap on All Shortcuts, they are listed alphabetically, so 
> Voice Dream will be near the end of the list.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Lee Jones  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear List, I listened to a podcast where someone was adding shortcuts to 
>> siri for voice dream reader in all shortcuts in settings.  When I go into 
>> voice dream in siri settings there are no shortcuts to add, even though it 
>> says that shortcuts are turned on for the app.  There are other apps which 
>> don’t seem to have the shortcuts that they should.  Does anyone have an idea 
>> what is going on here.  Might there be some kine of regional issue, I live 
>> in the UK.  I thought that voice dream was the same all over the world.
>> 
>> Many Thanks, Lee
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RE: invision ai

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Hello Michell,

 

Envision AI works fine here on my iPhone7.

 

You could try removing the app then restarting your phone.  Now reinstall the 
app.  Does it work now?

 

If you still experience problems you may like to e-mail:

 

kart...@letsenvision.com

 

They generally respond quickly and are most helpful.

 

I hope you get your issue resolved as in my experience Envision AI is an 
outstanding app.

 

Malcolm

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michelle 
Hurdt
Sent: 29 October 2018 01:09
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: invision ai

 

Hi everyone,

 

I am having a issue with invision ai. The issue that I have is that tabs 3 and 
4 will work, But the first and second tabs do not work on my iPhone 6 plus. I 
go to double tap on read instantly, but what happens is that voiceover would 
click on the button, but nothing would happen on my iPhone.If anyone can help 
me I would really appreciate the help.

 

Take care,

 

Michelle Hurdt

 

 

 

Sent from Mail   for Windows 10

 

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RE: Unable to do anything with my iPhone. I am not sure what the problem is!

[Tom Rash]

They don’t allow you to make a short cut for turning off the phone?  That would 
make sense..  I haven’t figured out that shortcut thing anyway. 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 8:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Unable to do anything with my iPhone. I am not sure what the 
problem is!

 

And why Apple doesn’t allow people to tell SIRI “Turn off my phone” and then 
that would bring up the power off screen is beyond me.

I was just going to go on and rant some more because it used to be that when I 
said “Open General Settings” SIRI would say something like “Sorry Sieghard, I 
can’t do that”.

Of course I can say Accessibility Settings, Voiceover Settings, Sound Settings, 
WiFi Settings, SIRI Settings and all sorts of other things, but General 
Settings never used to work.

Now I thought before I send this message I better try it to write down what 
SIRI says and to my surprise now General Settings opens although interestingly 
enough SIRI still started saying “Sorry Sieghard” and then it stopped and 
Settings > General opened.

I repeated it and SIRI said “Oh, Oh” just as if she was about to say “Oh Oh, I 
can’t do that” but then again General Settings opened.

I should add to this that I am running the public beta of iOS 12.1 which will 
probably be out in a week or so, I would be curious to hear what others 
experience when they say “General Settings” or “Open General Settings”.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 6:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unable to do anything with my iPhone. I am not sure what the 
problem is!

 

You can also go to settings > general and at the way bottom of the screen you 
can find a shut down button. that will bring up the power off screen. 


On Oct 28, 2018, at 8:40 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Pressing one of the volume buttons with the side button will bring up the power 
off screen. Just don’t hold of him too long, or I guess it will dial 911 which 
you don’t want. I actually don’t know any other way to bring up the power off 
screen.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 28, 2018, at 5:33 PM, Cris Ali mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

Right Maria, RI think that is what I did when it dialed 911.  I thought 
pressing one of the volume buttons with the side button would bring up the turn 
off screen, but instead it dialed 911.  How does one turn the phone off then?  
Pressing the side button alone brings SIRI.

 

From: 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 8:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Unable to do anything with my iPhone. I am not sure what the 
problem is!

 

I've also heard that if you press and hold one of the volume buttons and the 
power buttons you can end up dialing 911. I think you can disable this 
Emergency SOS settings. 


On Oct 28, 2018, at 7:40 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

In iOS 12, hitting the power button 5 times quickly does the emergency SOS and 
calls 911 and anyone else you set up as emergency contacts. 

Richard

 

 

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which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 


On Oct 28, 2018, at 4:24 PM, Cris Ali mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Mary and all,

Finally I got my phone working.

I went to the apple store and they gave me a new phone.  They tried to restore 
my iPhone several times and it remained stuck in the same place I saw in my 
home when I tried to set it up.

The technician did not want to waste too much time.  She gave me a new phone.  
The new one works seamlessly.  The only mistake I made is to dial 911 by 
mistake.  I still do not know what I did exactly to make such a mistake, but I 
hope I won’t do it again.

 

As far as the transfer of my apps and keyboards, everything went well.

 

Cheers,

 

Cris

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 7:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Unable to do anything with my iPhone. I am not sure what the 
problem is!

 

Wow, Chris! What a hassle! I certainly hope they get this sorted for you.
Mary
PS do you use the Arabic keyboard on your phone? If you do, I will be very 
curious how that transfer works for you, since my second language keyboard is 
no where and evidence, although it is said to be so into settings. That switch 
were you switch from one keyboard to another while in it and it is simply not 
there.
Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone


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Thanks Arlene,

In fact I tried every trick in the book and none worked.  The problem was not 

Re: Missing Voice Dream Shortcuts

[Chris Chaffin]

Now for me, Voice Dream did not show up in Siri Settings until I opened up the 
Voice Dream app.  But from what you have said, you have done this, and like 
Richard, I would not think this is a country specific feature.
Just to make sure you are looking in the right place, once you go to Siri 
Settings, double tap on All Shortcuts, they are listed alphabetically, so Voice 
Dream will be near the end of the list.

Hope this helps,

Chris


> On Oct 29, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Lee Jones  wrote:
> 
> Dear List, I listened to a podcast where someone was adding shortcuts to siri 
> for voice dream reader in all shortcuts in settings.  When I go into voice 
> dream in siri settings there are no shortcuts to add, even though it says 
> that shortcuts are turned on for the app.  There are other apps which don’t 
> seem to have the shortcuts that they should.  Does anyone have an idea what 
> is going on here.  Might there be some kine of regional issue, I live in the 
> UK.  I thought that voice dream was the same all over the world.
> 
> Many Thanks, Lee
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Re: VO Continuous Reading of PDF

[Richard Turner]

Is she using a Mac? I have not heard of doing that on an iPhone or iPad. I do 
not have a Mac, but on an iPhone or iPad, I just double tap on the attachment 
and it will download the file, double tap again and it will be in viewing mode, 
at which point a two finger flick down will read it through unless there are 
some odd codes that stop it reading.
Then I flick right with one finger, and then down with two and it will pick up 
reading again.

Richard



"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books 
which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Oct 28, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Vivian Conger 
mailto:blazie.g...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi All,

I have a friend who normally doesn’t use VO as she has enough site to read the 
screen but wanted to read a large PDF document with VO.  She got the document 
as an attachment to an email and dragged it to her home screen.  She double 
tapped to open it.  She then turned VO on and did a 2-finger swipe down for 
continuous reading and it only reads to the bottom of the screen.  She’s not 
sure how to get it to read the rest of the 30-page document.

Any suggestions?

Many thanks for any assistance.

Vivian
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Re: Missing Voice Dream Shortcuts

[Richard Turner]

If you went into Settings, Siri and Search, then All Shortcuts and there were 
none shown for Voice Dream, then either Siri Shortcuts are not available in the 
UK for this, which would seem really odd, or you are not using the most recent 
Voice Dream update that includes them, or something very strange is happening.
What version of Voice Dream are you running?
Richard



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> On Oct 29, 2018, at 3:35 AM, Lee Jones  wrote:
> 
> Dear List, I listened to a podcast where someone was adding shortcuts to siri 
> for voice dream reader in all shortcuts in settings.  When I go into voice 
> dream in siri settings there are no shortcuts to add, even though it says 
> that shortcuts are turned on for the app.  There are other apps which don’t 
> seem to have the shortcuts that they should.  Does anyone have an idea what 
> is going on here.  Might there be some kine of regional issue, I live in the 
> UK.  I thought that voice dream was the same all over the world.
> 
> Many Thanks, Lee
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Re: question

[Thom Spittle]

If you navigate to the field for who you wanted to send it to, start typing in 
the person’s name, usually just two or three letters should do. Then, swipe to 
the right and people that fit that criteria will show up so you may have to 
swipe to the right if you times depending on how many search results you have. 
Then just double tap on the name.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 6:40 AM, anthony borg  wrote:
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> Hello folks, 
> Could someone explain to me please when I come to compose an email, how I
> could search for the persons' address and add it to the added field? 
> With thanks in advance for your help 
> Anthony 
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RE: question

[llumpkin]

Can we have a more descriptive subject.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of anthony 
borg
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 5:41 AM
To: anthony borg 
Subject: question

Hello folks,
Could someone explain to me please when I come to compose an email, how I could 
search for the persons' address and add it to the added field? 
With thanks in advance for your help
Anthony 

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question

[anthony borg]

Hello folks, 
Could someone explain to me please when I come to compose an email, how I
could search for the persons' address and add it to the added field? 
With thanks in advance for your help 
Anthony 

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Missing Voice Dream Shortcuts

[Lee Jones]

Dear List, I listened to a podcast where someone was adding shortcuts to siri 
for voice dream reader in all shortcuts in settings.  When I go into voice 
dream in siri settings there are no shortcuts to add, even though it says that 
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that voice dream was the same all over the world.

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