Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
Have just sent an email to Apple; I’m very curious to know why this should be happening. I wonder if we will ever know. All the best Angie > On 27 Dec 2023, at 18:23, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Angie, it would be very helpful if you could send an email to > accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> and tell them that > you also experience this. Which watch do you have? > You can even mention my name and that this has come on an email group for > Voiceover users and that you are confirming the same behaviour. > Just make sure you also include the watch model you have. > > From: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone > Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 8:14 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch > > Nor for me: I find I have to triple tap for hours and minutes while in sleep > focus; I don’t mind that but if it’s not supposed to do that, rather curious. > > All the best > Angie > > > On 25 Dec 2023, at 05:54, Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: > > Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to > them it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep > focus is on r not and it is definitely not like that for me. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch > > I agree. > I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens > to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures > have to add an extra gesture to function. > And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic time. > > Richard, USA > “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores > it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.” > -- Cedrick Bridgeforth > > My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/> > > > > > > > > On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: > > > I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that > for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the > described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, > others say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the > double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when > my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, > I have tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it > probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to > add 1 tap when sleep focus is on. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch > > > When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face > to feel a haptic version of the time. > > When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to > feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic > time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off. > > > Richard, USA > “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores > it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.” > -- Cedrick Bridgeforth > > My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/> > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: > > > It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. > Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but > it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap. > > > > From:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of Tom > Rash > Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM > To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> > Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch &g
Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
I have Watch 8. All the best Angie > On 27 Dec 2023, at 18:23, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Angie, it would be very helpful if you could send an email to > accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> and tell them that > you also experience this. Which watch do you have? > You can even mention my name and that this has come on an email group for > Voiceover users and that you are confirming the same behaviour. > Just make sure you also include the watch model you have. > > From: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone > Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 8:14 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch > > Nor for me: I find I have to triple tap for hours and minutes while in sleep > focus; I don’t mind that but if it’s not supposed to do that, rather curious. > > All the best > Angie > > > On 25 Dec 2023, at 05:54, Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: > > Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to > them it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep > focus is on r not and it is definitely not like that for me. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch > > I agree. > I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens > to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures > have to add an extra gesture to function. > And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic time. > > Richard, USA > “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores > it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.” > -- Cedrick Bridgeforth > > My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/> > > > > > > > > On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: > > > I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that > for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the > described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, > others say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the > double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when > my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, > I have tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it > probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to > add 1 tap when sleep focus is on. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch > > > When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face > to feel a haptic version of the time. > > When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to > feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic > time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off. > > > Richard, USA > “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores > it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.” > -- Cedrick Bridgeforth > > My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/> > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: > > > It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. > Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but > it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap. > > > > From:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of Tom > Rash > Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM > To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> > Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch > > It does not work consistently for me. > I have S E version of the watch. It seems like the fi
RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
Angie, it would be very helpful if you could send an email to accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> and tell them that you also experience this. Which watch do you have? You can even mention my name and that this has come on an email group for Voiceover users and that you are confirming the same behaviour. Just make sure you also include the watch model you have. From: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 8:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch Nor for me: I find I have to triple tap for hours and minutes while in sleep focus; I don’t mind that but if it’s not supposed to do that, rather curious. All the best Angie On 25 Dec 2023, at 05:54, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to them it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep focus is on r not and it is definitely not like that for me. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch I agree. I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures have to add an extra gesture to function. And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic time. Richard, USA “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.” -- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap when sleep focus is on. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time. When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off. Richard, USA “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.” -- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap. From:viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch It does not work consistently for me. I have S E version of the watch. It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work. If I try it again, it usually works. If voice over is turned off, it does not work. On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results. On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result
Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
Nor for me: I find I have to triple tap for hours and minutes while in sleep focus; I don’t mind that but if it’s not supposed to do that, rather curious. All the best Angie > On 25 Dec 2023, at 05:54, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to > them it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep > focus is on r not and it is definitely not like that for me. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch > > I agree. > I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens > to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures > have to add an extra gesture to function. > And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic time. > > Richard, USA > “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores > it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.” > -- Cedrick Bridgeforth > > My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/> > > > > > > On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > > I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that > for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the > described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, > others say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the > double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when > my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, > I have tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it > probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to > add 1 tap when sleep focus is on. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch > > > When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face > to feel a haptic version of the time. > > When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to > feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic > time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off. > > > Richard, USA > “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores > it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.” > -- Cedrick Bridgeforth > > My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/> > > > > > > > > On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > > It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. > Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but > it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap. > > > > From:viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Tom Rash > Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM > To: Viphone > Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch > > It does not work consistently for me. > I have S E version of the watch. It seems like the first time I do a triple > tap, it doesn’t work. If I try it again, it usually works. > If voice over is turned off, it does not work. > > > > > On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up > again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas > others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results. > > On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good > consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. > First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the > email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture > exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any > exceptions: > > Hello Sieghard, > Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a > one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap > for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked. > If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep > or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downward
RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to them it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep focus is on r not and it is definitely not like that for me. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch I agree. I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures have to add an extra gesture to function. And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic time. Richard, USA “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.” -- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap when sleep focus is on. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time. When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off. Richard, USA “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.” -- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM To: Viphone Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch It does not work consistently for me. I have S E version of the watch. It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work. If I try it again, it usually works. If voice over is turned off, it does not work. On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results. On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions: Hello Sieghard, Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked. If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same results. If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation. You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585 The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM
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I have the latest version of Watch OS, and I have an Apple Watch Ultra. Haptic time is very consistent for me. I would say it works 9 times out of 10. So I really can't complain about that.EarleSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 24, 2023, at 1:32 PM, Richard Turner wrote:I agree.I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures have to add an extra gesture to function.And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic time.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap when sleep focus is on. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time. When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off. Richard, USA “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.” -- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM To: Viphone Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch It does not work consistently for me. I have S E version of the watch. It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work. If I try it again, it usually works. If voice over is turned off, it does not work. On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results. On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions: Hello Sieghard, Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked. If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same results. If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation. You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585 The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two
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I agree.I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures have to add an extra gesture to function.And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic time.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap when sleep focus is on. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time. When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off. Richard, USA “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.” -- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM To: Viphone Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch It does not work consistently for me. I have S E version of the watch. It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work. If I try it again, it usually works. If voice over is turned off, it does not work. On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results. On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions: Hello Sieghard, Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked. If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same results. If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation. You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585 The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I
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I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap when sleep focus is on. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time. When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off. Richard, USA “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.” -- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM To: Viphone Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch It does not work consistently for me. I have S E version of the watch. It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work. If I try it again, it usually works. If voice over is turned off, it does not work. On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results. On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions: Hello Sieghard, Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked. If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same results. If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation. You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585 The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a triple tap. I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should definitely be something they take a closer look at. I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I assume this could also have something to do with it. Best regards, Sieghard -- The following information is important for all members
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When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time.When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM To: Viphone Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch It does not work consistently for me. I have S E version of the watch. It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work. If I try it again, it usually works. If voice over is turned off, it does not work. On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results. On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions: Hello Sieghard, Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked. If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same results. If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation. You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585 The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a triple tap. I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should definitely be something they take a closer look at. I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I assume this could also have something to do with it. Best regards, Sieghard -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg
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It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM To: Viphone Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch It does not work consistently for me. I have S E version of the watch. It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work. If I try it again, it usually works. If voice over is turned off, it does not work. On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results. On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions: Hello Sieghard, Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked. If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same results. If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation. You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585 The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a triple tap. I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should definitely be something they take a closer look at. I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I assume this could also have something to do with it. Best regards, Sieghard -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB5656A904DB1EEE612F9955ADC79AA%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB5656A904DB1EEE612F9955ADC79AA%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone l
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The three and four taps work pretty reliably for me whether I have sleep mode on or not. I have an SE, and I do have sleep when wrist down set to on. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷ Chaltain at Outlook, USA From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 7:01 AM To: Viphone Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch It does not work consistently for me. I have S E version of the watch. It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work. If I try it again, it usually works. If voice over is turned off, it does not work. On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results. On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions: Hello Sieghard, Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked. If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same results. If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation. You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585 The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a triple tap. I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should definitely be something they take a closer look at. I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I assume this could also have something to do with it. Best regards, Sieghard -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB5656A904DB1EEE612F9955ADC79AA%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB5656A904DB1EEE612F9955ADC79AA%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rath
Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
Hi all, I have a Series 7 Apple Watch (41 mm). I am still running Watch OS 9, as I gathered that there were some bugs with version 10. I use Taptic Time frequently, and pretty consistently. I also have Sleep Focus enabled, but in my case this does not alter the number of taps required: regardless of the time, I always do a one-finger double tap for hours and minutes, and a one-finger triple tap for just minutes. If I want the watch to remain silent, I turn speech off using a three-finger double tap, the same gesture as on the phone. Haptic Time works fine when speech is turned off. My watch is not an SE, by the way, it's the standard model. I hope this is helpful. Best, Nicky Sent from my iPhone > On 24 Dec 2023, at 13:24, M. Taylor wrote: > > This is wonderful feedback, my friend. Thank you for posting. > > Mark > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 11:26 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch > > A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up > again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas > others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results. > > On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good > consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. > First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the > email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture > exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any > exceptions: > > Hello Sieghard, > Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a > one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap > for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked. > If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep > or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then > perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled > and managed to get the same results. > If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we > recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support > team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern > through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the > appropriate teams for further investigation. > You will find the contact information for the team in the following support > article: https://support.apple.com/HT209585 > > The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double > tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to > start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced > this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all > is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 > PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple > tap with 1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a > quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the > minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get > just minutes after a triple tap. > > I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in > the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should > definitely be something they take a closer look at. > > I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple > tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is > always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I > assume this could also have something to do with it. > > Best regards, > Sieghard > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mailto:mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >
RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
This is wonderful feedback, my friend. Thank you for posting. Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 11:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results. On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions: Hello Sieghard, Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked. If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same results. If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation. You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article: https://support.apple.com/HT209585 The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a triple tap. I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should definitely be something they take a closer look at. I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I assume this could also have something to do with it. Best regards, Sieghard -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mailto:mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB5656A904DB1EEE612F9955ADC79AA%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003201da366c%248d2c9cd0%24a785d670%24%40gmail.com.
Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
It does not work consistently for me. I have S E version of the watch. It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work. If I try it again, it usually works. If voice over is turned off, it does not work. > On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up > again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas > others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results. > > On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good > consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. > First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the > email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture > exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any > exceptions: > > Hello Sieghard, > Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a > one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap > for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked. > If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep > or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then > perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled > and managed to get the same results. > If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we > recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support > team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern > through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the > appropriate teams for further investigation. > You will find the contact information for the team in the following support > article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585 > > The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double > tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to > start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced > this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all > is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 > PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple > tap with 1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a > quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the > minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get > just minutes after a triple tap. > > I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in > the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should > definitely be something they take a closer look at. > > I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple > tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is > always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I > assume this could also have something to do with it. > > Best regards, > Sieghard > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you > can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB5656A904DB1EEE612F9955ADC79AA%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB5656A904DB1EEE612F9955ADC79AA%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on
Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results. On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions: Hello Sieghard, Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked. If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same results. If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation. You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article: https://support.apple.com/HT209585 The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a triple tap. I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should definitely be something they take a closer look at. I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I assume this could also have something to do with it. Best regards, Sieghard -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB5656A904DB1EEE612F9955ADC79AA%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com.
Re: The importance of calling Apple Accessibility
I mostly agree with this statement. I haven’t had any issues with Apple Accessibility responding to my emails. In fact, I get a response with more questions about 90% of the time. It all depends on how in-depth you are in your email, and describing the issue. Both forms of communication are useful, to say one is better than the other, is hard to actually say. Granted you feel like they can’t ignore you if you call, but to say they prefer the calls is a bit of a stretch. Honestly if you report something, either via email, or via the phone it will be heard, and it takes time for the devs/engineers to look at the issue. Sometimes you might not hear anything from the Accessibility team, as they are not only dealing with Voiceover bugs, but all of the accessibility bugs being reported across the devices/OS’s. I honestly feel however you want to report bugs is probably just fine with the accessibility team, just report them when you find them. Ed . > On Sep 7, 2023, at 11:46 PM, Dennis Long wrote: > > I agree with Richard. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2023 12:54 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: The importance of calling Apple Accessibility > > From Top Tech Tidbits, an article I highly recommend everyone read. > > https://www.applevis.com/forum/accessibility-advocacy/absolute-importance-calling-apple-accessibility-directly > > > Richard, USA. > “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” > -- Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe > > My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com/> > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you > can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003f01d9e1ab%24e18cab50%24a4a601f0%24%40comcast.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003f01d9e1ab%24e18cab50%24a4a601f0%24%40comcast.net?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you > can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/001501d9e217%24c59e6e80%2450db4b80%24%40gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/001501d9e217%24c59e6e80%2450db4b80%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are s
RE: The importance of calling Apple Accessibility
I agree with Richard. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2023 12:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The importance of calling Apple Accessibility >From Top Tech Tidbits, an article I highly recommend everyone read. https://www.applevis.com/forum/accessibility-advocacy/absolute-importance-calling-apple-accessibility-directly Richard, USA. “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” -- Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003f01d9e1ab%24e18cab50%24a4a601f0%24%40comcast.net <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003f01d9e1ab%24e18cab50%24a4a601f0%24%40comcast.net?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/001501d9e217%24c59e6e80%2450db4b80%24%40gmail.com.
The importance of calling Apple Accessibility
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Re: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved
Sounds like a complaint to Facebook accessibility is in mind here too. Both applications you mention I Meta apps. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 29, 2023, at 12:53 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote: > > Yes Lyne that in particular with this app, is true but also on whatsapp but > overall in the ios system. > Do please DO complain with Apple. Do it now again again again and again! > Davy > > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: viphone@googlegroups.com Namens Lyne > Verzonden: woensdag 29 maart 2023 3:37 > Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com > Onderwerp: Re: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility > dictation feedback bug still not solved > > In Facebook, horrible to try to modify > > Lyne > >> Le 28 mars 2023 à 21:07, Paul Henrichsen a écrit : >> >> Hi. Where are you seeing this? I usually dictate text messages and I am >> able to find and review the edit field. >> Let me know where you are seeing the problem so I can check it out. >> Also, I'm assuming you are using IOS 16.4. >> Thanks. >> >> >> Paul Henrichsen >> p...@pfhj.org >> pfhj2...@gmail.com >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> davycupp...@gmail.com >> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 12:43 PM >> To: davycupp...@gmail.com >> Subject: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation >> feedback bug still not solved >> >> Hi folks >> >> I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social >> media groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are >> nolonger read so that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or >> possibly correct your phrases. >> >> Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug. >> >> Please for everyone that can confirm this nasty glidge, e-mail or call >> accessibil...@apple.com >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005401d961ad%246fb91fa0%244f2b5ee0%24%40gmail.com. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DS7PR22MB3576AA7E01F2EC23337B8C5CB2899%40DS7PR22MB3576.namprd22.prod.outlook.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >
Re: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved
Are you sure it's not Meta the problem? It's not jusst for dictation, it's the same if you use keyboard, you cannot read your text. It's not only for last update... Lyne > Le 29 mars 2023 à 12:53, davycupp...@gmail.com a écrit : > > Yes Lyne that in particular with this app, is true but also on whatsapp but > overall in the ios system. > Do please DO complain with Apple. Do it now again again again and again! > Davy > > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: viphone@googlegroups.com Namens Lyne > Verzonden: woensdag 29 maart 2023 3:37 > Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com > Onderwerp: Re: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility > dictation feedback bug still not solved > > In Facebook, horrible to try to modify > > Lyne > >> Le 28 mars 2023 à 21:07, Paul Henrichsen a écrit : >> >> Hi. Where are you seeing this? I usually dictate text messages and I am >> able to find and review the edit field. >> Let me know where you are seeing the problem so I can check it out. >> Also, I'm assuming you are using IOS 16.4. >> Thanks. >> >> >> Paul Henrichsen >> p...@pfhj.org >> pfhj2...@gmail.com >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> davycupp...@gmail.com >> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 12:43 PM >> To: davycupp...@gmail.com >> Subject: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation >> feedback bug still not solved >> >> Hi folks >> >> I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social >> media groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are >> nolonger read so that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or >> possibly correct your phrases. >> >> Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug. >> >> Please for everyone that can confirm this nasty glidge, e-mail or call >> accessibil...@apple.com >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005401d961ad%246fb91fa0%244f2b5ee0%24%40gmail.com. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DS7PR22MB3576AA7E01F2EC23337B8C5CB2899%40DS7PR22MB3576.namprd22.prod.outlook.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archiv
RE: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved
Yes Lyne that in particular with this app, is true but also on whatsapp but overall in the ios system. Do please DO complain with Apple. Do it now again again again and again! Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: viphone@googlegroups.com Namens Lyne Verzonden: woensdag 29 maart 2023 3:37 Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com Onderwerp: Re: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved In Facebook, horrible to try to modify Lyne > Le 28 mars 2023 à 21:07, Paul Henrichsen a écrit : > > Hi. Where are you seeing this? I usually dictate text messages and I am able > to find and review the edit field. > Let me know where you are seeing the problem so I can check it out. > Also, I'm assuming you are using IOS 16.4. > Thanks. > > > Paul Henrichsen > p...@pfhj.org > pfhj2...@gmail.com > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > davycupp...@gmail.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 12:43 PM > To: davycupp...@gmail.com > Subject: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation > feedback bug still not solved > > Hi folks > > I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social media > groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are nolonger read > so that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or possibly correct > your phrases. > > Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug. > > Please for everyone that can confirm this nasty glidge, e-mail or call > accessibil...@apple.com > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005401d961ad%246fb91fa0%244f2b5ee0%24%40gmail.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DS7PR22MB3576AA7E01F2EC23337B8C5CB2899%40DS7PR22MB3576.namprd22.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/EE2ADB4F-D915-4E90-A16C-9260862EE42A%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
RE: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved
It cannot be reproduced all the time but it helps as you have been dictating several phrases in a row. Suddenly, after you stop dictating, you magic tap and here a sound and then normally as it should be, the tekst is read to you, that tekst that you have been dictating. In most cases this doesn't work, even VO is crashing and you have to close the app, reopen it, search fort he edit field and find or correct there your dictated tekst. It is really crab and frustrating behaviour and the most tramendous bug ever on ios. Moreover in some cases stopping the dictation results in the playback of music a complaint which I have heard dozens of times in the last 2 or 3 months. Regards Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: viphone@googlegroups.com Namens Paul Henrichsen Verzonden: woensdag 29 maart 2023 3:07 Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com Onderwerp: RE: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved Hi. Where are you seeing this? I usually dictate text messages and I am able to find and review the edit field. Let me know where you are seeing the problem so I can check it out. Also, I'm assuming you are using IOS 16.4. Thanks. Paul Henrichsen p...@pfhj.org pfhj2...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of davycupp...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 12:43 PM To: davycupp...@gmail.com Subject: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved Hi folks I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social media groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are nolonger read so that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or possibly correct your phrases. Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug. Please for everyone that can confirm this nasty glidge, e-mail or call accessibil...@apple.com -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005401d961ad%246fb91fa0%244f2b5ee0%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DS7PR22MB3576AA7E01F2EC23337B8C5CB2899%40DS7PR22MB3576.namprd22.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/036a01d9625e%24bcbf93e0%24363ebba0%24%40gmail.com.
Re: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved
In Facebook, horrible to try to modify Lyne > Le 28 mars 2023 à 21:07, Paul Henrichsen a écrit : > > Hi. Where are you seeing this? I usually dictate text messages and I am able > to find and review the edit field. > Let me know where you are seeing the problem so I can check it out. > Also, I'm assuming you are using IOS 16.4. > Thanks. > > > Paul Henrichsen > p...@pfhj.org > pfhj2...@gmail.com > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > davycupp...@gmail.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 12:43 PM > To: davycupp...@gmail.com > Subject: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation > feedback bug still not solved > > Hi folks > > I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social media > groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are nolonger read > so that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or possibly correct > your phrases. > > Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug. > > Please for everyone that can confirm this nasty glidge, e-mail or call > accessibil...@apple.com > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005401d961ad%246fb91fa0%244f2b5ee0%24%40gmail.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DS7PR22MB3576AA7E01F2EC23337B8C5CB2899%40DS7PR22MB3576.namprd22.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/EE2ADB4F-D915-4E90-A16C-9260862EE42A%40gmail.com.
RE: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved
Hi. Where are you seeing this? I usually dictate text messages and I am able to find and review the edit field. Let me know where you are seeing the problem so I can check it out. Also, I'm assuming you are using IOS 16.4. Thanks. Paul Henrichsen p...@pfhj.org pfhj2...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of davycupp...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 12:43 PM To: davycupp...@gmail.com Subject: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved Hi folks I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social media groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are nolonger read so that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or possibly correct your phrases. Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug. Please for everyone that can confirm this nasty glidge, e-mail or call accessibil...@apple.com -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005401d961ad%246fb91fa0%244f2b5ee0%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DS7PR22MB3576AA7E01F2EC23337B8C5CB2899%40DS7PR22MB3576.namprd22.prod.outlook.com.
RE: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved
Have been doing so with every iOS release since it first popped up. It is super annoying and is a big time productivity killer Cristóbal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of davycupp...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 12:43 PM To: davycupp...@gmail.com Subject: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved Hi folks I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social media groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are nolonger read so that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or possibly correct your phrases. Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug. Please for everyone that can confirm this nasty glidge, e-mail or call accessibil...@apple.com -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005401d961ad%246fb91fa0%244f2b5ee0%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/013401d961b0%24bc352c40%24349f84c0%24%40gmail.com.
please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved
Hi folks I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social media groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are nolonger read so that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or possibly correct your phrases. Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug. Please for everyone that can confirm this nasty glidge, e-mail or call accessibil...@apple.com -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005401d961ad%246fb91fa0%244f2b5ee0%24%40gmail.com.
Re: Apple accessibility
I’m sure she notated it. Like everything else, sometimes some people have bad days. Whenever I report accessibility issues to Apple, I always email them. I have found it to be very successful and convenient. You can also try that if you have doubts, here is their email: accessibil...@apple.com Feliciano For tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs > On Sep 14, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Maria Campbell wrote: > > I made a call to Apple Accessibility today, and the agent didn't seem to be > too interested in what I had to say, which has not been my previous > experience. I told her about the new tone being hard to hear, and about the > hang up side button not working. She told me to go to Apple Accessibility > feedback and fill out a problem form. I didn't find an appropriate area to > state my issues. She said she made a notation, but I'm not so sure she did. > This is my first bad experience with Apple Accessibility. > > > -- > Maria Campbell > lucky1i...@gmail.com > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/1af40240-afce-faff-3ae9-5ec089c48ddc%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DM6PR07MB69074BDB638561C6916DE48FCC469%40DM6PR07MB6907.namprd07.prod.outlook.com.
Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in
Hi Richard, I looked up the app, and it's just says intercom for Sonos. However whenever I clicked on it to share it with you, it did not let me connect to the App Store. So I am assuming that the app is no longer available on the App Store. > On Aug 10, 2022, at 11:51 AM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > Joseph, > Lots of things come up when searching for intercom on the iOS app store. > > Could you either give the link or the developer name? > > > > Richard > “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought > which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard > > My web site: https://www.turner42.com > 礪 > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of joseph > hudson > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 9:15 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility > Gravity Check-in > > Wait a minute, before you go advertising that you can't use the intercom > feature via a Sonos speaker, actually you can. There's an app called > intercom, that works for the Sonos speakers. So if you have an iPhone or an > android, all you have to do is open up that app, and you can make > announcements all through your house on your Sonos system. > >> On Aug 10, 2022, at 11:12 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >> If you want to use Alexa frequently I suggest you go ahead and buy an Echo >> smart speaker. They are very inexpensive and will always be available when >> you say "Alexa" where is if you use Alexa on an iPhone you do still have to >> first open the Amazon Echo app. You can probably find plenty of 2nd or 3rd >> generation Echo Dot speaker for $10 or $20, I have a few of them and even >> the older larger ones which I really have to advertise and get rid of >> because we have Sonos throughout the house and while you still can't use the >> Intercom feature via a Sonos speaker, you can do anything else. For the >> living room we bought an Echo Show because we also have a Ring doorbell so >> all these 2nd and 3rd Echo speakers I have are just sitting in a box and I >> am sure that is true for many people. >> >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Carolyn >> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:19 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility >> Gravity Check-in >> >> That is good news, sounds like the way to go, download Alexa, which I'll do, >> when we get moved. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Donna Casteen >> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 4:19 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility >> Gravity Check-in >> >> Lisa, This is not true. The Amazon Alexa app can do Everything that an Alexa >> device can do. I have an old iPhone, which has no cellular service. The >> phone is connected to wifi only. I/we use the app ONLY to control smart >> lights & our Ring security camera. The Only thing that I do Not use the app >> for is adding items into my shopping cart & placing orders. I even make wifi >> calls using the app. A stand alone Amazon Alexa device is not necessary. >> >> Donna >>> >>> Hi, Carolyn. >>> >>> >>> If you just want to order and browse Amazon the app is fine. If you want >>> to use smart lights and switches and such, you'll need Alexa. >>> >>> >>> Hope this clears things up. >>> >>> >>> Lisa >>> >>> >>> Lisa Belville >>> missktlab1...@frontier.com >>> >>>> On 8/9/2022 8:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote: >>>> Knowing these things, I see no advantage to getting Alexa. Please correct >>>> me, any of you, if this is incorrect. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson >>>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:11 PM >>>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>>> >>>> I don't use any kind of smart lights, but I'm sure that will work with the >>>> iPhone. Good luck. >>>> >>>>> On 8/8/22, Carolyn Arnold wrote: >>
RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in
Joseph, Lots of things come up when searching for intercom on the iOS app store. Could you either give the link or the developer name? Richard “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard My web site: https://www.turner42.com 礪 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of joseph hudson Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 9:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in Wait a minute, before you go advertising that you can't use the intercom feature via a Sonos speaker, actually you can. There's an app called intercom, that works for the Sonos speakers. So if you have an iPhone or an android, all you have to do is open up that app, and you can make announcements all through your house on your Sonos system. > On Aug 10, 2022, at 11:12 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > If you want to use Alexa frequently I suggest you go ahead and buy an Echo > smart speaker. They are very inexpensive and will always be available when > you say "Alexa" where is if you use Alexa on an iPhone you do still have to > first open the Amazon Echo app. You can probably find plenty of 2nd or 3rd > generation Echo Dot speaker for $10 or $20, I have a few of them and even the > older larger ones which I really have to advertise and get rid of because we > have Sonos throughout the house and while you still can't use the Intercom > feature via a Sonos speaker, you can do anything else. For the living room we > bought an Echo Show because we also have a Ring doorbell so all these 2nd and > 3rd Echo speakers I have are just sitting in a box and I am sure that is true > for many people. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Carolyn > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:19 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility > Gravity Check-in > > That is good news, sounds like the way to go, download Alexa, which I'll do, > when we get moved. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Donna Casteen > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 4:19 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility > Gravity Check-in > > Lisa, This is not true. The Amazon Alexa app can do Everything that an Alexa > device can do. I have an old iPhone, which has no cellular service. The phone > is connected to wifi only. I/we use the app ONLY to control smart lights & > our Ring security camera. The Only thing that I do Not use the app for is > adding items into my shopping cart & placing orders. I even make wifi calls > using the app. A stand alone Amazon Alexa device is not necessary. > > Donna >> >> Hi, Carolyn. >> >> >> If you just want to order and browse Amazon the app is fine. If you want to >> use smart lights and switches and such, you'll need Alexa. >> >> >> Hope this clears things up. >> >> >> Lisa >> >> >> Lisa Belville >> missktlab1...@frontier.com >> >>> On 8/9/2022 8:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote: >>> Knowing these things, I see no advantage to getting Alexa. Please correct >>> me, any of you, if this is incorrect. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] >>> On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson >>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:11 PM >>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>> >>> I don't use any kind of smart lights, but I'm sure that will work with the >>> iPhone. Good luck. >>> >>>> On 8/8/22, Carolyn Arnold wrote: >>>> That sounds great then, Joshua. I assume that the iPhone can work >>>> with smart light switches? >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson >>>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:37 PM >>>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>>> >>>> I have the amazon shopping app on my iPhone. You don't need the >>>> Alexa app to do that. >>>> >>>> On 8/8/22, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in
You can if you open the Amazon Alexa app first and have it set to be listening. But, no, you cannot just say that because the app is on the phone. Richard “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard My web site: https://www.turner42.com 礪 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 9:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in So, with it downloaded on the iPhone, you can't say, Alexa, how far is it from here to there? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 12:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in If you want to use Alexa frequently I suggest you go ahead and buy an Echo smart speaker. They are very inexpensive and will always be available when you say "Alexa" where is if you use Alexa on an iPhone you do still have to first open the Amazon Echo app. You can probably find plenty of 2nd or 3rd generation Echo Dot speaker for $10 or $20, I have a few of them and even the older larger ones which I really have to advertise and get rid of because we have Sonos throughout the house and while you still can't use the Intercom feature via a Sonos speaker, you can do anything else. For the living room we bought an Echo Show because we also have a Ring doorbell so all these 2nd and 3rd Echo speakers I have are just sitting in a box and I am sure that is true for many people. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:19 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in That is good news, sounds like the way to go, download Alexa, which I'll do, when we get moved. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 4:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in Lisa, This is not true. The Amazon Alexa app can do Everything that an Alexa device can do. I have an old iPhone, which has no cellular service. The phone is connected to wifi only. I/we use the app ONLY to control smart lights & our Ring security camera. The Only thing that I do Not use the app for is adding items into my shopping cart & placing orders. I even make wifi calls using the app. A stand alone Amazon Alexa device is not necessary. Donna > > Hi, Carolyn. > > > If you just want to order and browse Amazon the app is fine. If you want to > use smart lights and switches and such, you'll need Alexa. > > > Hope this clears things up. > > > Lisa > > > Lisa Belville > missktlab1...@frontier.com > >> On 8/9/2022 8:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote: >> Knowing these things, I see no advantage to getting Alexa. Please correct >> me, any of you, if this is incorrect. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson >> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:11 PM >> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >> >> I don't use any kind of smart lights, but I'm sure that will work with the >> iPhone. Good luck. >> >>> On 8/8/22, Carolyn Arnold wrote: >>> That sounds great then, Joshua. I assume that the iPhone can work >>> with smart light switches? >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] >>> On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson >>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:37 PM >>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>> >>> I have the amazon shopping app on my iPhone. You don't need the >>> Alexa app to do that. >>> >>> On 8/8/22, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>>> I'm not sure what you're asking, but you can use the Amazon app on >>>> your iPhone to place orders with Amazon. I'd also assume you could >>>> use the Alexa app on your iPhone to also place an Amazon order. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Christopher (AKA CJ) >>>> Chaltain at Outlook >>>> >>>> -Original Message-
RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in
So, with it downloaded on the iPhone, you can't say, Alexa, how far is it from here to there? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 12:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in If you want to use Alexa frequently I suggest you go ahead and buy an Echo smart speaker. They are very inexpensive and will always be available when you say "Alexa" where is if you use Alexa on an iPhone you do still have to first open the Amazon Echo app. You can probably find plenty of 2nd or 3rd generation Echo Dot speaker for $10 or $20, I have a few of them and even the older larger ones which I really have to advertise and get rid of because we have Sonos throughout the house and while you still can't use the Intercom feature via a Sonos speaker, you can do anything else. For the living room we bought an Echo Show because we also have a Ring doorbell so all these 2nd and 3rd Echo speakers I have are just sitting in a box and I am sure that is true for many people. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:19 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in That is good news, sounds like the way to go, download Alexa, which I'll do, when we get moved. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 4:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in Lisa, This is not true. The Amazon Alexa app can do Everything that an Alexa device can do. I have an old iPhone, which has no cellular service. The phone is connected to wifi only. I/we use the app ONLY to control smart lights & our Ring security camera. The Only thing that I do Not use the app for is adding items into my shopping cart & placing orders. I even make wifi calls using the app. A stand alone Amazon Alexa device is not necessary. Donna > > Hi, Carolyn. > > > If you just want to order and browse Amazon the app is fine. If you want to > use smart lights and switches and such, you'll need Alexa. > > > Hope this clears things up. > > > Lisa > > > Lisa Belville > missktlab1...@frontier.com > >> On 8/9/2022 8:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote: >> Knowing these things, I see no advantage to getting Alexa. Please correct >> me, any of you, if this is incorrect. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson >> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:11 PM >> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >> >> I don't use any kind of smart lights, but I'm sure that will work with the >> iPhone. Good luck. >> >>> On 8/8/22, Carolyn Arnold wrote: >>> That sounds great then, Joshua. I assume that the iPhone can work >>> with smart light switches? >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] >>> On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson >>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:37 PM >>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>> >>> I have the amazon shopping app on my iPhone. You don't need the >>> Alexa app to do that. >>> >>> On 8/8/22, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>>> I'm not sure what you're asking, but you can use the Amazon app on >>>> your iPhone to place orders with Amazon. I'd also assume you could >>>> use the Alexa app on your iPhone to also place an Amazon order. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Christopher (AKA CJ) >>>> Chaltain at Outlook >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On >>>> Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold >>>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:01 PM >>>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>>> >>>> Can you do Amazon ordering with the iPhone without Alexa? >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegr
Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in
Wait a minute, before you go advertising that you can't use the intercom feature via a Sonos speaker, actually you can. There's an app called intercom, that works for the Sonos speakers. So if you have an iPhone or an android, all you have to do is open up that app, and you can make announcements all through your house on your Sonos system. > On Aug 10, 2022, at 11:12 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > If you want to use Alexa frequently I suggest you go ahead and buy an Echo > smart speaker. They are very inexpensive and will always be available when > you say "Alexa" where is if you use Alexa on an iPhone you do still have to > first open the Amazon Echo app. You can probably find plenty of 2nd or 3rd > generation Echo Dot speaker for $10 or $20, I have a few of them and even the > older larger ones which I really have to advertise and get rid of because we > have Sonos throughout the house and while you still can't use the Intercom > feature via a Sonos speaker, you can do anything else. For the living room we > bought an Echo Show because we also have a Ring doorbell so all these 2nd and > 3rd Echo speakers I have are just sitting in a box and I am sure that is true > for many people. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:19 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility > Gravity Check-in > > That is good news, sounds like the way to go, download Alexa, which I'll do, > when we get moved. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Donna Casteen > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 4:19 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility > Gravity Check-in > > Lisa, This is not true. The Amazon Alexa app can do Everything that an Alexa > device can do. I have an old iPhone, which has no cellular service. The phone > is connected to wifi only. I/we use the app ONLY to control smart lights & > our Ring security camera. The Only thing that I do Not use the app for is > adding items into my shopping cart & placing orders. I even make wifi calls > using the app. A stand alone Amazon Alexa device is not necessary. > > Donna >> >> Hi, Carolyn. >> >> >> If you just want to order and browse Amazon the app is fine. If you want to >> use smart lights and switches and such, you'll need Alexa. >> >> >> Hope this clears things up. >> >> >> Lisa >> >> >> Lisa Belville >> missktlab1...@frontier.com >> >>> On 8/9/2022 8:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote: >>> Knowing these things, I see no advantage to getting Alexa. Please correct >>> me, any of you, if this is incorrect. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson >>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:11 PM >>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>> >>> I don't use any kind of smart lights, but I'm sure that will work with the >>> iPhone. Good luck. >>> >>>> On 8/8/22, Carolyn Arnold wrote: >>>> That sounds great then, Joshua. I assume that the iPhone can work >>>> with smart light switches? >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson >>>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:37 PM >>>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>>> >>>> I have the amazon shopping app on my iPhone. You don't need the >>>> Alexa app to do that. >>>> >>>> On 8/8/22, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>>>> I'm not sure what you're asking, but you can use the Amazon app on >>>>> your iPhone to place orders with Amazon. I'd also assume you could >>>>> use the Alexa app on your iPhone to also place an Amazon order. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Christopher (AKA CJ) >>>>> Chaltain at Outlook >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On >>>>> Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in
If you want to use Alexa frequently I suggest you go ahead and buy an Echo smart speaker. They are very inexpensive and will always be available when you say "Alexa" where is if you use Alexa on an iPhone you do still have to first open the Amazon Echo app. You can probably find plenty of 2nd or 3rd generation Echo Dot speaker for $10 or $20, I have a few of them and even the older larger ones which I really have to advertise and get rid of because we have Sonos throughout the house and while you still can't use the Intercom feature via a Sonos speaker, you can do anything else. For the living room we bought an Echo Show because we also have a Ring doorbell so all these 2nd and 3rd Echo speakers I have are just sitting in a box and I am sure that is true for many people. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:19 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in That is good news, sounds like the way to go, download Alexa, which I'll do, when we get moved. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 4:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in Lisa, This is not true. The Amazon Alexa app can do Everything that an Alexa device can do. I have an old iPhone, which has no cellular service. The phone is connected to wifi only. I/we use the app ONLY to control smart lights & our Ring security camera. The Only thing that I do Not use the app for is adding items into my shopping cart & placing orders. I even make wifi calls using the app. A stand alone Amazon Alexa device is not necessary. Donna > > Hi, Carolyn. > > > If you just want to order and browse Amazon the app is fine. If you want to > use smart lights and switches and such, you'll need Alexa. > > > Hope this clears things up. > > > Lisa > > > Lisa Belville > missktlab1...@frontier.com > >> On 8/9/2022 8:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote: >> Knowing these things, I see no advantage to getting Alexa. Please correct >> me, any of you, if this is incorrect. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson >> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:11 PM >> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >> >> I don't use any kind of smart lights, but I'm sure that will work with the >> iPhone. Good luck. >> >>> On 8/8/22, Carolyn Arnold wrote: >>> That sounds great then, Joshua. I assume that the iPhone can work >>> with smart light switches? >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] >>> On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson >>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:37 PM >>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>> >>> I have the amazon shopping app on my iPhone. You don't need the >>> Alexa app to do that. >>> >>> On 8/8/22, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>>> I'm not sure what you're asking, but you can use the Amazon app on >>>> your iPhone to place orders with Amazon. I'd also assume you could >>>> use the Alexa app on your iPhone to also place an Amazon order. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Christopher (AKA CJ) >>>> Chaltain at Outlook >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On >>>> Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold >>>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:01 PM >>>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>>> >>>> Can you do Amazon ordering with the iPhone without Alexa? >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner >>>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 11:30 AM >>>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>>> >>>> You can order with the app, but be very careful that it is adding >>&
RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in
That is good news, sounds like the way to go, download Alexa, which I'll do, when we get moved. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 4:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in Lisa, This is not true. The Amazon Alexa app can do Everything that an Alexa device can do. I have an old iPhone, which has no cellular service. The phone is connected to wifi only. I/we use the app ONLY to control smart lights & our Ring security camera. The Only thing that I do Not use the app for is adding items into my shopping cart & placing orders. I even make wifi calls using the app. A stand alone Amazon Alexa device is not necessary. Donna > > Hi, Carolyn. > > > If you just want to order and browse Amazon the app is fine. If you want to > use smart lights and switches and such, you'll need Alexa. > > > Hope this clears things up. > > > Lisa > > > Lisa Belville > missktlab1...@frontier.com > >> On 8/9/2022 8:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote: >> Knowing these things, I see no advantage to getting Alexa. Please correct >> me, any of you, if this is incorrect. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson >> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:11 PM >> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >> >> I don't use any kind of smart lights, but I'm sure that will work with the >> iPhone. Good luck. >> >>> On 8/8/22, Carolyn Arnold wrote: >>> That sounds great then, Joshua. I assume that the iPhone can work >>> with smart light switches? >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] >>> On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson >>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:37 PM >>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>> >>> I have the amazon shopping app on my iPhone. You don't need the >>> Alexa app to do that. >>> >>> On 8/8/22, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>>> I'm not sure what you're asking, but you can use the Amazon app on >>>> your iPhone to place orders with Amazon. I'd also assume you could >>>> use the Alexa app on your iPhone to also place an Amazon order. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Christopher (AKA CJ) >>>> Chaltain at Outlook >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On >>>> Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold >>>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:01 PM >>>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>>> >>>> Can you do Amazon ordering with the iPhone without Alexa? >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner >>>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 11:30 AM >>>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>>> >>>> You can order with the app, but be very careful that it is adding >>>> the correct item to your cart. >>>> Also, be careful when using your phone with the app listening or a >>>> device listening, because if it hears your phone say something >>>> like, I can add the roborock vacuum to your cart; you may find that >>>> item is now in your cart. >>>> It took a bit of work to get it out of the cart. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom >>>> of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard >>>> >>>> My web site: >>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. >>>> turner42.com%2Fdata=05%7C01%7C%7Cef213a3dadbf4428e40e08da795f8 >>>> 69 >>>> d >>>> %7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637955748426886656%7C >>>> Un >>>> k >>&
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Lisa, This is not true. The Amazon Alexa app can do Everything that an Alexa device can do. I have an old iPhone, which has no cellular service. The phone is connected to wifi only. I/we use the app ONLY to control smart lights & our Ring security camera. The Only thing that I do Not use the app for is adding items into my shopping cart & placing orders. I even make wifi calls using the app. A stand alone Amazon Alexa device is not necessary. Donna > > Hi, Carolyn. > > > If you just want to order and browse Amazon the app is fine. If you want to > use smart lights and switches and such, you'll need Alexa. > > > Hope this clears things up. > > > Lisa > > > Lisa Belville > missktlab1...@frontier.com > >> On 8/9/2022 8:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote: >> Knowing these things, I see no advantage to getting Alexa. Please correct >> me, any of you, if this is incorrect. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Joshua Hendrickson >> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:11 PM >> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility >> Gravity Check-in >> >> I don't use any kind of smart lights, but I'm sure that will work with the >> iPhone. Good luck. >> >>> On 8/8/22, Carolyn Arnold wrote: >>> That sounds great then, Joshua. I assume that the iPhone can work with >>> smart light switches? >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson >>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:37 PM >>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility >>> Gravity Check-in >>> >>> I have the amazon shopping app on my iPhone. You don't need the Alexa >>> app to do that. >>> >>> On 8/8/22, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>>> I'm not sure what you're asking, but you can use the Amazon app on >>>> your iPhone to place orders with Amazon. I'd also assume you could >>>> use the Alexa app on your iPhone to also place an Amazon order. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Christopher (AKA CJ) >>>> Chaltain at Outlook >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf >>>> Of Carolyn Arnold >>>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:01 PM >>>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>>> >>>> Can you do Amazon ordering with the iPhone without Alexa? >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Richard Turner >>>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 11:30 AM >>>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>>> >>>> You can order with the app, but be very careful that it is adding the >>>> correct item to your cart. >>>> Also, be careful when using your phone with the app listening or a >>>> device listening, because if it hears your phone say something like, >>>> I can add the roborock vacuum to your cart; you may find that item is >>>> now in your cart. >>>> It took a bit of work to get it out of the cart. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of >>>> thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard >>>> >>>> My web site: >>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. >>>> turner42.com%2Fdata=05%7C01%7C%7Cef213a3dadbf4428e40e08da795f869 >>>> d >>>> %7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637955748426886656%7CUn >>>> k >>>> nown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haW >>>> w >>>> iLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=991o18fzRUfHtHYrQHjyysVlabS >>>> K >>>> %2FfQtHWmmVOspMSo%3Dreserved=0 >>>> 礪 >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf >>>> Of Donna Casteen >&g
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Upon further reflexion, I am thinking probably good idea to download Alexa, so I can order verbally with it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 10:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in It does. I did not know if the iPhone could work with them or not. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Belville Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 10:02 AM To: V I Phone Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in Hi, Carolyn. If you just want to order and browse Amazon the app is fine. If you want to use smart lights and switches and such, you'll need Alexa. Hope this clears things up. Lisa Lisa Belville missktlab1...@frontier.com On 8/9/2022 8:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote: > Knowing these things, I see no advantage to getting Alexa. Please correct me, > any of you, if this is incorrect. > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson > Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:11 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility > Gravity Check-in > > I don't use any kind of smart lights, but I'm sure that will work with the > iPhone. Good luck. > > On 8/8/22, Carolyn Arnold wrote: >> That sounds great then, Joshua. I assume that the iPhone can work >> with smart light switches? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson >> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:37 PM >> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >> >> I have the amazon shopping app on my iPhone. You don't need the >> Alexa app to do that. >> >> On 8/8/22, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>> I'm not sure what you're asking, but you can use the Amazon app on >>> your iPhone to place orders with Amazon. I'd also assume you could >>> use the Alexa app on your iPhone to also place an Amazon order. >>> >>> -- >>> Christopher (AKA CJ) >>> Chaltain at Outlook >>> >>> -Original Message----- >>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On >>> Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold >>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:01 PM >>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>> >>> Can you do Amazon ordering with the iPhone without Alexa? >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] >>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner >>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 11:30 AM >>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>> >>> You can order with the app, but be very careful that it is adding >>> the correct item to your cart. >>> Also, be careful when using your phone with the app listening or a >>> device listening, because if it hears your phone say something like, >>> I can add the roborock vacuum to your cart; you may find that item >>> is now in your cart. >>> It took a bit of work to get it out of the cart. >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom >>> of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard >>> >>> My web site: >>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. >>> turner42.com%2Fdata=05%7C01%7C%7Cef213a3dadbf4428e40e08da795f86 >>> 9 >>> d >>> %7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637955748426886656%7CU >>> n >>> k >>> nown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1ha >>> W >>> w >>> iLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=991o18fzRUfHtHYrQHjyysVlab >>> S >>> K >>> %2FfQtHWmmVOspMSo%3Dreserved=0 >>> 礪 >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On >>> Behalf Of Donna Casteen >>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:27 AM >>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a Gener
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It does. I did not know if the iPhone could work with them or not. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Belville Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 10:02 AM To: V I Phone Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in Hi, Carolyn. If you just want to order and browse Amazon the app is fine. If you want to use smart lights and switches and such, you'll need Alexa. Hope this clears things up. Lisa Lisa Belville missktlab1...@frontier.com On 8/9/2022 8:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote: > Knowing these things, I see no advantage to getting Alexa. Please correct me, > any of you, if this is incorrect. > > -Original Message- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Joshua Hendrickson > Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:11 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility > Gravity Check-in > > I don't use any kind of smart lights, but I'm sure that will work with the > iPhone. Good luck. > > On 8/8/22, Carolyn Arnold wrote: >> That sounds great then, Joshua. I assume that the iPhone can work with >> smart light switches? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson >> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:37 PM >> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility >> Gravity Check-in >> >> I have the amazon shopping app on my iPhone. You don't need the Alexa >> app to do that. >> >> On 8/8/22, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>> I'm not sure what you're asking, but you can use the Amazon app on >>> your iPhone to place orders with Amazon. I'd also assume you could >>> use the Alexa app on your iPhone to also place an Amazon order. >>> >>> -- >>> Christopher (AKA CJ) >>> Chaltain at Outlook >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf >>> Of Carolyn Arnold >>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:01 PM >>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>> >>> Can you do Amazon ordering with the iPhone without Alexa? >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Richard Turner >>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 11:30 AM >>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>> >>> You can order with the app, but be very careful that it is adding the >>> correct item to your cart. >>> Also, be careful when using your phone with the app listening or a >>> device listening, because if it hears your phone say something like, >>> I can add the roborock vacuum to your cart; you may find that item is >>> now in your cart. >>> It took a bit of work to get it out of the cart. >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of >>> thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard >>> >>> My web site: >>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. >>> turner42.com%2Fdata=05%7C01%7C%7Cef213a3dadbf4428e40e08da795f869 >>> d >>> %7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637955748426886656%7CUn >>> k >>> nown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haW >>> w >>> iLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=991o18fzRUfHtHYrQHjyysVlabS >>> K >>> %2FfQtHWmmVOspMSo%3Dreserved=0 >>> 礪 >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf >>> Of Donna Casteen >>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:27 AM >>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple >>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in >>> >>> Carolyn, I haven't tried ordering from the app or adding items to my >>> cart. I do use the Alexa app to play games, play my music playlist, >>> search answers to questions, get the current/daily weather forecast etc. >>> >>> Donna >>> >>>> That is great. I understand I can order with amazon? >>>> >>>> -
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Hi, Carolyn. If you just want to order and browse Amazon the app is fine. If you want to use smart lights and switches and such, you'll need Alexa. Hope this clears things up. Lisa Lisa Belville missktlab1...@frontier.com On 8/9/2022 8:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote: Knowing these things, I see no advantage to getting Alexa. Please correct me, any of you, if this is incorrect. -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:11 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in I don't use any kind of smart lights, but I'm sure that will work with the iPhone. Good luck. On 8/8/22, Carolyn Arnold wrote: That sounds great then, Joshua. I assume that the iPhone can work with smart light switches? -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:37 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in I have the amazon shopping app on my iPhone. You don't need the Alexa app to do that. On 8/8/22, Christopher Chaltain wrote: I'm not sure what you're asking, but you can use the Amazon app on your iPhone to place orders with Amazon. I'd also assume you could use the Alexa app on your iPhone to also place an Amazon order. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:01 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in Can you do Amazon ordering with the iPhone without Alexa? -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 11:30 AM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in You can order with the app, but be very careful that it is adding the correct item to your cart. Also, be careful when using your phone with the app listening or a device listening, because if it hears your phone say something like, I can add the roborock vacuum to your cart; you may find that item is now in your cart. It took a bit of work to get it out of the cart. Richard “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard My web site: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. turner42.com%2Fdata=05%7C01%7C%7Cef213a3dadbf4428e40e08da795f869 d %7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637955748426886656%7CUn k nown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haW w iLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=991o18fzRUfHtHYrQHjyysVlabS K %2FfQtHWmmVOspMSo%3Dreserved=0 礪 -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:27 AM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in Carolyn, I haven't tried ordering from the app or adding items to my cart. I do use the Alexa app to play games, play my music playlist, search answers to questions, get the current/daily weather forecast etc. Donna That is great. I understand I can order with amazon? -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2022 8:21 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in Carolyn, You can download the Amazon Alexa app from the app store & use it like someone who has an Amazon Alexa device. Donna Mark, how do you download Alexa? I guess you have to buy it? -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2022 3:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com; vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in Hello Everyone, Just wanted to check in with everyone and wish you all a happy Apple accessibility summer. I cannot believe that August 2022 is already underway. You know, it's kind of funny, I use my Apple devices more and more and yet I have less and less to say about them as they continue to get better and better. (smile) A few things that I have been intending to post but have not: 1. In addition to my wired EarPods, I now use both AirPods, third gen, and Airpods Pro, on a regular basis. While I would have to say that my Airpods Pro offer better sound quality, I like the Airpods third gen, because they offer an easier / lighter listening experience. I
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There will be no Touch Id on this year's iPhones or let's just say I'd be extremely surprised if there were since at this point the rumours are typically quite accurate. Just FYI, you can probably find a third-party repair place which could replace that Lightning port on your 8 Plus for a fairly reasonable amount if you so desired. I guess it all depens on what your plans are for your 8 Plus, if you want to sell it finding out if this could be done for say $50 might be worth it, but I certainly wouldn't spend more than that. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2022 12:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com; vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in Hello Everyone, Just wanted to check in with everyone and wish you all a happy Apple accessibility summer. I cannot believe that August 2022 is already underway. You know, it's kind of funny, I use my Apple devices more and more and yet I have less and less to say about them as they continue to get better and better. (smile) A few things that I have been intending to post but have not: 1. In addition to my wired EarPods, I now use both AirPods, third gen, and Airpods Pro, on a regular basis. While I would have to say that my Airpods Pro offer better sound quality, I like the Airpods third gen, because they offer an easier / lighter listening experience. I know that sounds crazy but, for me, it is true. 2. My poor old 8 Plus is truly on its last legs. The lightening port can no longer hold a cable, unassisted. This is to say, in order for me to keep a cable inserted, the phone must be on a horizontal plain or the cable will fall out. I do use a wireless charger with it but . I am going to try to make it last until the next iPhone release which, hopefully, will offer some form of touch ID. However, If touch ID is not included in the next release I will either purchase the biggest best new phone or I will get an S E. One way or another, my beloved 8 Plus is on its way out (smile.) 3. My iPad 10.5 2017 is going strong; it runs like a champ. However, I am definitely going to get a new MacBook Pro after I purchase my next iPhone. I have a MacBook Air, M1, in the house but I really don't like the fact that it automatically powers on at the touch of any key. This is quite annoying. 4. As for software? I find that I am using fewer and fewer apps. I am not sure why. All of the apps that allow me to easily manage my finances continue to be my favorite apps, of course. However the Amazon apps continue to be at the top of my must have list. I noticed some kind of a glitch between VoiceOver and Alexa on an iPhone 11, the other day. Interesting as this glitch does not occur on my beloved 8 Plus. My solution? Delete and then reinstall the Alexa app. Pill Reminder, My Chart, CA Lottery, and Yelp also head-up my favorite apps list, these days. Of course, I am omitting all of the native Apple apps as their significance to my accessible life is unparalleled While I continue to be a big fan of Twitter, for some reason, the app, and the service itself, for that matter, feel less streamline and unencumbered, these days. Just my opinion, of course. Uber, Lift, and Insta Cart are amazing, as always. And of course, all of the book reading apps remain dear to my heart. While I would love to list some games that I enjoy on either iOS or iPad OS, alas, I cannot. I do not know of any onboard (not requiring an internet connection) VoiceOver accessible card games and / or board games; a sad reality, to be sure. All replies to this post are welcome and, in fact, greatly appreciated. I hope this finds you all happy and well. Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000c01d8aa94%24e642f860%24b2c8e920%24%40ucla.edu. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
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Sorry, sent that last email before I was ready. I play dice world just against the computer and I think that's self contained if you do it that way. God bless! Paula and the pups -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2022 4:44 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in Hello Les, By financial software, I was referring to my banking apps, my utility provider apps, etc. I do not use any third-party finance management apps. Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2022 12:40 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in Hi Mark, What financial software do you use? Great summary, glad you wrote this. Enjoy August! Best Regards, Les -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2022 3:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com; vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in Hello Everyone, Just wanted to check in with everyone and wish you all a happy Apple accessibility summer. I cannot believe that August 2022 is already underway. You know, it's kind of funny, I use my Apple devices more and more and yet I have less and less to say about them as they continue to get better and better. (smile) A few things that I have been intending to post but have not: 1. In addition to my wired EarPods, I now use both AirPods, third gen, and Airpods Pro, on a regular basis. While I would have to say that my Airpods Pro offer better sound quality, I like the Airpods third gen, because they offer an easier / lighter listening experience. I know that sounds crazy but, for me, it is true. 2. My poor old 8 Plus is truly on its last legs. The lightening port can no longer hold a cable, unassisted. This is to say, in order for me to keep a cable inserted, the phone must be on a horizontal plain or the cable will fall out. I do use a wireless charger with it but . I am going to try to make it last until the next iPhone release which, hopefully, will offer some form of touch ID. However, If touch ID is not included in the next release I will either purchase the biggest best new phone or I will get an S E. One way or another, my beloved 8 Plus is on its way out (smile.) 3. My iPad 10.5 2017 is going strong; it runs like a champ. However, I am definitely going to get a new MacBook Pro after I purchase my next iPhone. I have a MacBook Air, M1, in the house but I really don't like the fact that it automatically powers on at the touch of any key. This is quite annoying. 4. As for software? I find that I am using fewer and fewer apps. I am not sure why. All of the apps that allow me to easily manage my finances continue to be my favorite apps, of course. However the Amazon apps continue to be at the top of my must have list. I noticed some kind of a glitch between VoiceOver and Alexa on an iPhone 11, the other day. Interesting as this glitch does not occur on my beloved 8 Plus. My solution? Delete and then reinstall the Alexa app. Pill Reminder, My Chart, CA Lottery, and Yelp also head-up my favorite apps list, these days. Of course, I am omitting all of the native Apple apps as their significance to my accessible life is unparalleled While I continue to be a big fan of Twitter, for some reason, the app, and the service itself, for that matter, feel less streamline and unencumbered, these days. Just my opinion, of course. Uber, Lift, and Insta Cart are amazing, as always. And of course, all of the book reading apps remain dear to my heart. While I would love to list some games that I enjoy on either iOS or iPad OS, alas, I cannot. I do not know of any onboard (not requiring an internet connection) VoiceOver accessible card games and / or board games; a sad reality, to be sure. All replies to this post are welcome and, in fact, greatly appreciated. I hope this finds you all happy and well. Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone, The Next Generation" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone2+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone2/000c01d8aa94%24e642f860%24b2c8e920%24%40ucla.edu. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone, The Next Generation" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone2+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone2/001
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Also, I like cards alone. It's an old game, and I don't remember if it's free or not. Pyramid 13 is also a great time waster and I can -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2022 3:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com; vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in Hello Everyone, Just wanted to check in with everyone and wish you all a happy Apple accessibility summer. I cannot believe that August 2022 is already underway. You know, it's kind of funny, I use my Apple devices more and more and yet I have less and less to say about them as they continue to get better and better. (smile) A few things that I have been intending to post but have not: 1. In addition to my wired EarPods, I now use both AirPods, third gen, and Airpods Pro, on a regular basis. While I would have to say that my Airpods Pro offer better sound quality, I like the Airpods third gen, because they offer an easier / lighter listening experience. I know that sounds crazy but, for me, it is true. 2. My poor old 8 Plus is truly on its last legs. The lightening port can no longer hold a cable, unassisted. This is to say, in order for me to keep a cable inserted, the phone must be on a horizontal plain or the cable will fall out. I do use a wireless charger with it but . I am going to try to make it last until the next iPhone release which, hopefully, will offer some form of touch ID. However, If touch ID is not included in the next release I will either purchase the biggest best new phone or I will get an S E. One way or another, my beloved 8 Plus is on its way out (smile.) 3. My iPad 10.5 2017 is going strong; it runs like a champ. However, I am definitely going to get a new MacBook Pro after I purchase my next iPhone. I have a MacBook Air, M1, in the house but I really don't like the fact that it automatically powers on at the touch of any key. This is quite annoying. 4. As for software? I find that I am using fewer and fewer apps. I am not sure why. All of the apps that allow me to easily manage my finances continue to be my favorite apps, of course. However the Amazon apps continue to be at the top of my must have list. I noticed some kind of a glitch between VoiceOver and Alexa on an iPhone 11, the other day. Interesting as this glitch does not occur on my beloved 8 Plus. My solution? Delete and then reinstall the Alexa app. Pill Reminder, My Chart, CA Lottery, and Yelp also head-up my favorite apps list, these days. Of course, I am omitting all of the native Apple apps as their significance to my accessible life is unparalleled While I continue to be a big fan of Twitter, for some reason, the app, and the service itself, for that matter, feel less streamline and unencumbered, these days. Just my opinion, of course. Uber, Lift, and Insta Cart are amazing, as always. And of course, all of the book reading apps remain dear to my heart. While I would love to list some games that I enjoy on either iOS or iPad OS, alas, I cannot. I do not know of any onboard (not requiring an internet connection) VoiceOver accessible card games and / or board games; a sad reality, to be sure. All replies to this post are welcome and, in fact, greatly appreciated. I hope this finds you all happy and well. Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000c01d8aa94%24e642f860%24b2c8e920%24%40ucla.edu. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Goo
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Hello Richard, Thank you so much. I will look up these games today. Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2022 1:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in As for card games that do not require an internet connection, try: King's Corner, $0.99 byBitpress, LLC And Cribbage Pro, I'll have to look up the developer and add it to my web site. Richard “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin My web site: https://www.turner42.com On Aug 7, 2022, at 12:36 PM, M. Taylor <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: Hello Everyone, Just wanted to check in with everyone and wish you all a happy Apple accessibility summer. I cannot believe that August 2022 is already underway. You know, it's kind of funny, I use my Apple devices more and more and yet I have less and less to say about them as they continue to get better and better. (smile) A few things that I have been intending to post but have not: 1. In addition to my wired EarPods, I now use both AirPods, third gen, and Airpods Pro, on a regular basis. While I would have to say that my Airpods Pro offer better sound quality, I like the Airpods third gen, because they offer an easier / lighter listening experience. I know that sounds crazy but, for me, it is true. 2. My poor old 8 Plus is truly on its last legs. The lightening port can no longer hold a cable, unassisted. This is to say, in order for me to keep a cable inserted, the phone must be on a horizontal plain or the cable will fall out. I do use a wireless charger with it but . I am going to try to make it last until the next iPhone release which, hopefully, will offer some form of touch ID. However, If touch ID is not included in the next release I will either purchase the biggest best new phone or I will get an S E. One way or another, my beloved 8 Plus is on its way out (smile.) 3. My iPad 10.5 2017 is going strong; it runs like a champ. However, I am definitely going to get a new MacBook Pro after I purchase my next iPhone. I have a MacBook Air, M1, in the house but I really don't like the fact that it automatically powers on at the touch of any key. This is quite annoying. 4. As for software? I find that I am using fewer and fewer apps. I am not sure why. All of the apps that allow me to easily manage my finances continue to be my favorite apps, of course. However the Amazon apps continue to be at the top of my must have list. I noticed some kind of a glitch between VoiceOver and Alexa on an iPhone 11, the other day. Interesting as this glitch does not occur on my beloved 8 Plus. My solution? Delete and then reinstall the Alexa app. Pill Reminder, My Chart, CA Lottery, and Yelp also head-up my favorite apps list, these days. Of course, I am omitting all of the native Apple apps as their significance to my accessible life is unparalleled While I continue to be a big fan of Twitter, for some reason, the app, and the service itself, for that matter, feel less streamline and unencumbered, these days. Just my opinion, of course. Uber, Lift, and Insta Cart are amazing, as always. And of course, all of the book reading apps remain dear to my heart. While I would love to list some games that I enjoy on either iOS or iPad OS, alas, I cannot. I do not know of any onboard (not requiring an internet connection) VoiceOver accessible card games and / or board games; a sad reality, to be sure. All replies to this post are welcome and, in fact, greatly appreciated. I hope this finds you all happy and well. Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mailto:mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000c01d8aa94%24e642f860%24b2c8e920%24%40ucla.edu. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list
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Hello,I have an early 2015 MacBookPro, which sadly, isn’t supported by Ventura. I was looking forward to beta testing that, as some areas have changed, according to what I read on the subject. I also have an iPhone SE, second generation and it’s going strong. I beta test iOS 16. I have an account for the Apple Developer Program, just for testing the most buggy beta releases. There are things I love about iOS 16, but I cannot say most of what I like about it, do to the non-disclosure agreement I read and signed. But, as made public by AppleVis, I love Eloquence! It’s an awesome beta, and I cannot wait ‘till it is public, as then, everything can be shared. On Aug 7, 2022, at 5:29 PM, Richard Turner wrote:As for card games that do not require an internet connection, try:King's Corner, $0.99 byBitpress, LLCAnd Cribbage Pro, I'll have to look up the developer and add it to my web site.Richard“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn Aug 7, 2022, at 12:36 PM, M. Taylor wrote:Hello Everyone,Just wanted to check in with everyone and wish you all a happy Appleaccessibility summer. I cannot believe that August 2022 is alreadyunderway.You know, it's kind of funny, I use my Apple devices more and more and yet Ihave less and less to say about them as they continue to get better andbetter. (smile)A few things that I have been intending to post but have not:1.In addition to my wired EarPods, I now use both AirPods, third gen, andAirpods Pro, on a regular basis. While I would have to say that my AirpodsPro offer better sound quality, I like the Airpods third gen, because theyoffer an easier / lighter listening experience. I know that sounds crazybut, for me, it is true.2.My poor old 8 Plus is truly on its last legs. The lightening port can nolonger hold a cable, unassisted. This is to say, in order for me to keep acable inserted, the phone must be on a horizontal plain or the cable willfall out. I do use a wireless charger with it but . I am going to try tomake it last until the next iPhone release which, hopefully, will offer someform of touch ID. However, If touch ID is not included in the next releaseI will either purchase the biggest best new phone or I will get an S E. Oneway or another, my beloved 8 Plus is on its way out (smile.)3.My iPad 10.5 2017 is going strong; it runs like a champ. However, I amdefinitely going to get a new MacBook Pro after I purchase my next iPhone.I have a MacBook Air, M1, in the house but I really don't like the fact thatit automatically powers on at the touch of any key. This is quite annoying.4.As for software? I find that I am using fewer and fewer apps. I am notsure why. All of the apps that allow me to easily manage my finances continue to be myfavorite apps, of course. However the Amazon apps continue to be at the topof my must have list. I noticed some kind of a glitch between VoiceOver andAlexa on an iPhone 11, the other day. Interesting as this glitch does notoccur on my beloved 8 Plus. My solution? Delete and then reinstall theAlexa app. Pill Reminder, My Chart, CA Lottery, and Yelp also head-up my favorite appslist, these days. Of course, I am omitting all of the native Apple apps astheir significance to my accessible life is unparalleled While I continue to be a big fan of Twitter, for some reason, the app, andthe service itself, for that matter, feel less streamline and unencumbered,these days. Just my opinion, of course.Uber, Lift, and Insta Cart are amazing, as always. And of course, all of the book reading apps remain dear to my heart. While I would love to list some games that I enjoy on either iOS or iPad OS,alas, I cannot. I do not know of any onboard (not requiring an internetconnection) VoiceOver accessible card games and / or board games; a sadreality, to be sure.All replies to this post are welcome and, in fact, greatly appreciated.I hope this finds you all happy and well.Mark-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000c01d8aa94%24e642f860%24b2c8e920%24%40ucla.edu. -- The following information is
RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in
Hello Les, By financial software, I was referring to my banking apps, my utility provider apps, etc. I do not use any third-party finance management apps. Mark -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2022 12:40 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in Hi Mark, What financial software do you use? Great summary, glad you wrote this. Enjoy August! Best Regards, Les -Original Message- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2022 3:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com; vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in Hello Everyone, Just wanted to check in with everyone and wish you all a happy Apple accessibility summer. I cannot believe that August 2022 is already underway. You know, it's kind of funny, I use my Apple devices more and more and yet I have less and less to say about them as they continue to get better and better. (smile) A few things that I have been intending to post but have not: 1. In addition to my wired EarPods, I now use both AirPods, third gen, and Airpods Pro, on a regular basis. While I would have to say that my Airpods Pro offer better sound quality, I like the Airpods third gen, because they offer an easier / lighter listening experience. I know that sounds crazy but, for me, it is true. 2. My poor old 8 Plus is truly on its last legs. The lightening port can no longer hold a cable, unassisted. This is to say, in order for me to keep a cable inserted, the phone must be on a horizontal plain or the cable will fall out. I do use a wireless charger with it but . I am going to try to make it last until the next iPhone release which, hopefully, will offer some form of touch ID. However, If touch ID is not included in the next release I will either purchase the biggest best new phone or I will get an S E. One way or another, my beloved 8 Plus is on its way out (smile.) 3. My iPad 10.5 2017 is going strong; it runs like a champ. However, I am definitely going to get a new MacBook Pro after I purchase my next iPhone. I have a MacBook Air, M1, in the house but I really don't like the fact that it automatically powers on at the touch of any key. This is quite annoying. 4. As for software? I find that I am using fewer and fewer apps. I am not sure why. All of the apps that allow me to easily manage my finances continue to be my favorite apps, of course. However the Amazon apps continue to be at the top of my must have list. I noticed some kind of a glitch between VoiceOver and Alexa on an iPhone 11, the other day. Interesting as this glitch does not occur on my beloved 8 Plus. My solution? Delete and then reinstall the Alexa app. Pill Reminder, My Chart, CA Lottery, and Yelp also head-up my favorite apps list, these days. Of course, I am omitting all of the native Apple apps as their significance to my accessible life is unparalleled While I continue to be a big fan of Twitter, for some reason, the app, and the service itself, for that matter, feel less streamline and unencumbered, these days. Just my opinion, of course. Uber, Lift, and Insta Cart are amazing, as always. And of course, all of the book reading apps remain dear to my heart. While I would love to list some games that I enjoy on either iOS or iPad OS, alas, I cannot. I do not know of any onboard (not requiring an internet connection) VoiceOver accessible card games and / or board games; a sad reality, to be sure. All replies to this post are welcome and, in fact, greatly appreciated. I hope this finds you all happy and well. Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone, The Next Generation" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone2+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone2/000c01d8aa94%24e642f860%24b2c8e920%24%40ucla.edu. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone, The Next Generation" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone2+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone2/001101d8aa95%248daeecd0%24a90cc670%24%40optimum.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is
Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in
As for card games that do not require an internet connection, try: King's Corner, $0.99 byBitpress, LLC And Cribbage Pro, I'll have to look up the developer and add it to my web site. Richard “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin My web site: https://www.turner42.com > On Aug 7, 2022, at 12:36 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > Just wanted to check in with everyone and wish you all a happy Apple > accessibility summer. I cannot believe that August 2022 is already > underway. > > You know, it's kind of funny, I use my Apple devices more and more and yet I > have less and less to say about them as they continue to get better and > better. (smile) > > A few things that I have been intending to post but have not: > > 1. > In addition to my wired EarPods, I now use both AirPods, third gen, and > Airpods Pro, on a regular basis. While I would have to say that my Airpods > Pro offer better sound quality, I like the Airpods third gen, because they > offer an easier / lighter listening experience. I know that sounds crazy > but, for me, it is true. > > 2. > My poor old 8 Plus is truly on its last legs. The lightening port can no > longer hold a cable, unassisted. This is to say, in order for me to keep a > cable inserted, the phone must be on a horizontal plain or the cable will > fall out. I do use a wireless charger with it but . I am going to try to > make it last until the next iPhone release which, hopefully, will offer some > form of touch ID. However, If touch ID is not included in the next release > I will either purchase the biggest best new phone or I will get an S E. One > way or another, my beloved 8 Plus is on its way out (smile.) > > 3. > My iPad 10.5 2017 is going strong; it runs like a champ. However, I am > definitely going to get a new MacBook Pro after I purchase my next iPhone. > I have a MacBook Air, M1, in the house but I really don't like the fact that > it automatically powers on at the touch of any key. This is quite annoying. > > 4. > As for software? I find that I am using fewer and fewer apps. I am not > sure why. > > All of the apps that allow me to easily manage my finances continue to be my > favorite apps, of course. However the Amazon apps continue to be at the top > of my must have list. I noticed some kind of a glitch between VoiceOver and > Alexa on an iPhone 11, the other day. Interesting as this glitch does not > occur on my beloved 8 Plus. My solution? Delete and then reinstall the > Alexa app. > > Pill Reminder, My Chart, CA Lottery, and Yelp also head-up my favorite apps > list, these days. Of course, I am omitting all of the native Apple apps as > their significance to my accessible life is unparalleled > > While I continue to be a big fan of Twitter, for some reason, the app, and > the service itself, for that matter, feel less streamline and unencumbered, > these days. Just my opinion, of course. > > Uber, Lift, and Insta Cart are amazing, as always. > > And of course, all of the book reading apps remain dear to my heart. > > While I would love to list some games that I enjoy on either iOS or iPad OS, > alas, I cannot. I do not know of any onboard (not requiring an internet > connection) VoiceOver accessible card games and / or board games; a sad > reality, to be sure. > > All replies to this post are welcome and, in fact, greatly appreciated. > > I hope this finds you all happy and well. > > Mark > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000c01d8aa94%24e642f860%24b2c8e920%24%40ucla.edu. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you
From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in
Hello Everyone, Just wanted to check in with everyone and wish you all a happy Apple accessibility summer. I cannot believe that August 2022 is already underway. You know, it's kind of funny, I use my Apple devices more and more and yet I have less and less to say about them as they continue to get better and better. (smile) A few things that I have been intending to post but have not: 1. In addition to my wired EarPods, I now use both AirPods, third gen, and Airpods Pro, on a regular basis. While I would have to say that my Airpods Pro offer better sound quality, I like the Airpods third gen, because they offer an easier / lighter listening experience. I know that sounds crazy but, for me, it is true. 2. My poor old 8 Plus is truly on its last legs. The lightening port can no longer hold a cable, unassisted. This is to say, in order for me to keep a cable inserted, the phone must be on a horizontal plain or the cable will fall out. I do use a wireless charger with it but . I am going to try to make it last until the next iPhone release which, hopefully, will offer some form of touch ID. However, If touch ID is not included in the next release I will either purchase the biggest best new phone or I will get an S E. One way or another, my beloved 8 Plus is on its way out (smile.) 3. My iPad 10.5 2017 is going strong; it runs like a champ. However, I am definitely going to get a new MacBook Pro after I purchase my next iPhone. I have a MacBook Air, M1, in the house but I really don't like the fact that it automatically powers on at the touch of any key. This is quite annoying. 4. As for software? I find that I am using fewer and fewer apps. I am not sure why. All of the apps that allow me to easily manage my finances continue to be my favorite apps, of course. However the Amazon apps continue to be at the top of my must have list. I noticed some kind of a glitch between VoiceOver and Alexa on an iPhone 11, the other day. Interesting as this glitch does not occur on my beloved 8 Plus. My solution? Delete and then reinstall the Alexa app. Pill Reminder, My Chart, CA Lottery, and Yelp also head-up my favorite apps list, these days. Of course, I am omitting all of the native Apple apps as their significance to my accessible life is unparalleled While I continue to be a big fan of Twitter, for some reason, the app, and the service itself, for that matter, feel less streamline and unencumbered, these days. Just my opinion, of course. Uber, Lift, and Insta Cart are amazing, as always. And of course, all of the book reading apps remain dear to my heart. While I would love to list some games that I enjoy on either iOS or iPad OS, alas, I cannot. I do not know of any onboard (not requiring an internet connection) VoiceOver accessible card games and / or board games; a sad reality, to be sure. All replies to this post are welcome and, in fact, greatly appreciated. I hope this finds you all happy and well. Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000c01d8aa94%24e642f860%24b2c8e920%24%40ucla.edu.
Re: Apple accessibility website
Hi. I believe is you go to www.apple.com/accessibility You will find what you are looking for. Jenn and Kumi > On Apr 16, 2022, at 4:58 PM, Paula Jordan wrote: > > > Hi All. Could someone please send the web address for the apple accessibility > website. I can’t remember it. Thanks. > God bless! > Paula and the pups > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/014001d851e5%2486368430%2492a38c90%24%40roadrunner.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/0178A2FF-5DBC-4DEA-9C35-923212F63D9A%40gmail.com.
Re: Apple accessibility website
hello, Web site or e-mail? Here is e-mail accessibil...@apple.com Lyne > Le 16 avr. 2022 à 18:58, Paula Jordan a écrit : > > > Hi All. Could someone please send the web address for the apple accessibility > website. I can’t remember it. Thanks. > God bless! > Paula and the pups > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/014001d851e5%2486368430%2492a38c90%24%40roadrunner.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/68240AEF-D068-451B-A5F7-36F4CBB22A1D%40gmail.com.
Apple accessibility website
Hi All. Could someone please send the web address for the apple accessibility website. I can't remember it. Thanks. God bless! Paula and the pups -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/014001d851e5%2486368430%2492a38c90%24%40roadrunner.com.
Re: [tech-vi Announce List] A Response From Apple Accessibility Regarding Lost Siri Functionality FW: Please Bring Back Lost Siri Functionality; Follow-up: 782296253
I just received the exact same email. from Apple Accessibility in response to my note about that. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner website: www.turner42.com (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro) On Oct 4, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Maria Campbell wrote: >From the Tech-VI list owner: Many users of Apple products have noticed that some Siri functions have recently disappeared. These voice commands pertain to functions for accessing email, call history and voicemail. I recently wrote to Apple Accessibility requesting that these capabilities be reinstated. I received the following positive response. From: Apple Accessibility <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 6:10 PM To: david.goldfi...@outlook.com<mailto:david.goldfi...@outlook.com> Subject: Re: Please Bring Back Lost Siri Functionality; Follow-up: 782296253 Hello David, Thank you for your email. We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused, and we are working to reinstate some Siri Email and Phone actions, which were temporarily removed as part of updates to improve Siri. You will be able to ask Siri to write, send, and check unread emails in the coming weeks. Reinstating Siri actions to check call history and voicemail will take a bit more time, and we will bring back this functionality in an upcoming iOS software update. In the meanwhile, if you would like us to help identify some alternatives using a combination of Siri and accessibility features, please let us know. Sincerely, Apple Accessibility For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit: http://www.apple.com/accessibility<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apple.com%2Faccessibility=04%7C01%7C%7C683047e7071349be25bf08d9878c2a06%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637689858358974767%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=d1fhUnXPU1SWhMvqqz%2FR%2BhHqjsCrG7IraGmvnABA2r0%3D=0> http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apple.com%2Fsupport%2Faccessibility=04%7C01%7C%7C683047e7071349be25bf08d9878c2a06%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637689858358984723%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=Xf75%2FTS1m1tOEflEFzy18HkyRRYTmJfASSFnMfAMJQk%3D=0> David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscr...@groups.io<mailto:tech-vi+subscr...@groups.io> www.DavidGoldfield.org<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davidgoldfield.org%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C683047e7071349be25bf08d9878c2a06%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637689858358984723%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=mQ7RGxvv%2BHk6lL2ABO6K2esE8%2Bl0Oay%2B9ZXf3JmowMA%3D=0> _._,_._,_ Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#1193)<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.io%2Fg%2Ftech-vi%2Fmessage%2F1193=04%7C01%7C%7C683047e7071349be25bf08d9878c2a06%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637689858358994679%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=XpB5mKXQkDXGKvnjd72sEZRYZuYQGMYa5prOmJqVS78%3D=0> | Reply To Group<mailto:tech...@groups.io?subject=Re:%20%5Btech-vi%20Announce%20List%5D%20A%20Response%20From%20Apple%20Accessibility%20Regarding%20Lost%20Siri%20Functionality%20FW%3A%20Please%20Bring%20Back%20Lost%20Siri%20Functionality%3B%20Follow-up%3A%20782296253> | Reply To Sender<mailto:david.goldfi...@outlook.com?subject=Private:%20Re:%20%5Btech-vi%20Announce%20List%5D%20A%20Response%20From%20Apple%20Accessibility%20Regarding%20Lost%20Siri%20Functionality%20FW%3A%20Please%20Bring%20Back%20Lost%20Siri%20Functionality%3B%20Follow-up%3A%20782296253> | Mute This Topic<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.io%2Fmt%2F86080509%2F879=04%7C01%7C%7C683047e7071349be25bf08d9878c2a06%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637689858358994679%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=54VAUgCNTtw0EJJEnrJxeOmGJ5YP%2BWK%2Bvorjo7kqN4I%3D=0> | New Topic<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.io%2Fg%2Ftech-vi%2Fpost=04%7C01%7C%7C683047e7071349be25bf08d9878c2a06%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637689858359004633%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=TiiHEEY8KmNGEZe7mOW2hSNo0nbsCRTIPJc1On
Fwd: [tech-vi Announce List] A Response From Apple Accessibility Regarding Lost Siri Functionality FW: Please Bring Back Lost Siri Functionality; Follow-up: 782296253
From the Tech-VI list owner: Many users of Apple products have noticed that some Siri functions have recently disappeared. These voice commands pertain to functions for accessing email, call history and voicemail. I recently wrote to Apple Accessibility requesting that these capabilities be reinstated. I received the following positive response. *From:* Apple Accessibility *Sent:* Monday, October 4, 2021 6:10 PM *To:* david.goldfi...@outlook.com *Subject:* Re: Please Bring Back Lost Siri Functionality; Follow-up: 782296253 Hello David, Thank you for your email. We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused, and we are working to reinstate some Siri Email and Phone actions, which were temporarily removed as part of updates to improve Siri. You will be able to ask Siri to write, send, and check unread emails in the coming weeks. Reinstating Siri actions to check call history and voicemail will take a bit more time, and we will bring back this functionality in an upcoming iOS software update. In the meanwhile, if you would like us to help identify some alternatives using a combination of Siri and accessibility features, please let us know. Sincerely, Apple Accessibility For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit: http://www.apple.com/accessibility <http://www.apple.com/accessibility> http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility <http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility> David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscr...@groups.io <mailto:tech-vi+subscr...@groups.io> www.DavidGoldfield.org <http://www.DavidGoldfield.org> _._,_._,_ Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#1193) <https://groups.io/g/tech-vi/message/1193> | Reply To Group <mailto:tech...@groups.io?subject=Re:%20%5Btech-vi%20Announce%20List%5D%20A%20Response%20From%20Apple%20Accessibility%20Regarding%20Lost%20Siri%20Functionality%20FW%3A%20Please%20Bring%20Back%20Lost%20Siri%20Functionality%3B%20Follow-up%3A%20782296253> | Reply To Sender <mailto:david.goldfi...@outlook.com?subject=Private:%20Re:%20%5Btech-vi%20Announce%20List%5D%20A%20Response%20From%20Apple%20Accessibility%20Regarding%20Lost%20Siri%20Functionality%20FW%3A%20Please%20Bring%20Back%20Lost%20Siri%20Functionality%3B%20Follow-up%3A%20782296253> | Mute This Topic <https://groups.io/mt/86080509/879> | New Topic <https://groups.io/g/tech-vi/post> Your Subscription <https://groups.io/g/tech-vi/editsub/879> | Contact Group Owner <mailto:tech-vi+ow...@groups.io> | Unsubscribe <https://groups.io/g/tech-vi/leave/8954821/879/1553461276/xyzzy> [lucky1i...@gmail.com] _._,_._,_ -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/ab675a38-b2ab-f4a7-a6b4-27cf9a80991c%40gmail.com.
Re: Apple accessibility and third-party apps
Hi. I've left reviews in the App Store before, giving the app a 3 star rating which usually brings down their over all average. I've had good success with this, since most app developers and companies are about their app store ratings. Several developers have gotten back to me saying that they would look at this, or giving suggestions for things I could try. However, if the accessibility person for that app does not care, then that's another issue. Are there alternatives in other apps for doing what you want? Jmt, Wayne On 6/2/21, Andy Baracco wrote: > Sounds like she was a low level support person reading from a script. What > > would your modem settings have to do with the accessibility of an app. i > assume that you are referring to the iPhone app, and not the web site. > > Andy > > - Original Message - > From: "Mary Otten" > To: "via VIPhone" > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 10:58 AM > Subject: Apple accessibility and third-party apps > > > I wonder if anyone has any experience calling Accessibility at Apple > regarding voiceover with a third-party app. I wouldn’t suppose they would be > > much help, but I’m just wondering. I mentioned before that I was having > problems with the MLB app, not being able to go back in the calendar to a > previous month. I just talked to MLB‘s Accessibility person, and the > conversation was ridiculous. She wanted me to uninstall the app, reset my > modem, do all kinds of garbage that’s totally not related to the fact that > the app is not fully accessible. So either I’m missing something, and maybe > > that’s where the Apple accessibility people can point out some thing that > I’m > not doing right, or there’s just no way to do it. But her advice was absurd. > > I mean unlabeled buttons are not a problem that’s going to be solved with > all the garbage that she had me doing. So I didn’t do it. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/E1574FF2-BAF2-49BA-8AC3-146B750C824F%40gmail.com. > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00a401d757e2%24521cbf00%240b01a8c0%40AndyPC. > -- Follow me on Twitter: @wcmerritt Connect with me on GoodReads: www.goodreads.com/waynesbooks -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAOYhKtcatrfVR3xvHXcSJqR6h82WOViZa8Pru%2BCU_uLEeTYRMA%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: Apple accessibility and third-party apps
Sounds like she was a low level support person reading from a script. What would your modem settings have to do with the accessibility of an app. i assume that you are referring to the iPhone app, and not the web site. Andy - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" To: "via VIPhone" Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 10:58 AM Subject: Apple accessibility and third-party apps I wonder if anyone has any experience calling Accessibility at Apple regarding voiceover with a third-party app. I wouldn’t suppose they would be much help, but I’m just wondering. I mentioned before that I was having problems with the MLB app, not being able to go back in the calendar to a previous month. I just talked to MLB‘s Accessibility person, and the conversation was ridiculous. She wanted me to uninstall the app, reset my modem, do all kinds of garbage that’s totally not related to the fact that the app is not fully accessible. So either I’m missing something, and maybe that’s where the Apple accessibility people can point out some thing that I’m not doing right, or there’s just no way to do it. But her advice was absurd. I mean unlabeled buttons are not a problem that’s going to be solved with all the garbage that she had me doing. So I didn’t do it. Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/E1574FF2-BAF2-49BA-8AC3-146B750C824F%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00a401d757e2%24521cbf00%240b01a8c0%40AndyPC.
RE: Apple accessibility and third-party apps
I would say most times they try to help. They may be at least willing to do a screen share so they can see what is happening and let you know if they think it is an MLB app issue, or an Apple issue. I only have MLB audio and have not tried to get into archived games. Richard "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it." - John Ruskin, 1819-1900 Web site: www.turner42.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:59 AM To: via VIPhone Subject: Apple accessibility and third-party apps I wonder if anyone has any experience calling Accessibility at Apple regarding voiceover with a third-party app. I wouldn't suppose they would be much help, but I'm just wondering. I mentioned before that I was having problems with the MLB app, not being able to go back in the calendar to a previous month. I just talked to MLB's Accessibility person, and the conversation was ridiculous. She wanted me to uninstall the app, reset my modem, do all kinds of garbage that's totally not related to the fact that the app is not fully accessible. So either I'm missing something, and maybe that's where the Apple accessibility people can point out some thing that I'm not doing right, or there's just no way to do it. But her advice was absurd. I mean unlabeled buttons are not a problem that's going to be solved with all the garbage that she had me doing. So I didn't do it. Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cda50c49d63b344d4eae908d925f00b5e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637582535168374876%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=%2F7wH%2BIC4qj%2BENqNQ49%2Bt2tBvQevOrAwJEDLFVwXChRI%3Dreserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FE1574FF2-BAF2-49BA-8AC3-146B750C824F%2540gmail.comdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cda50c49d63b344d4eae908d925f00b5e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637582535168374876%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=3mgLY2pIKV0H9Nv0n7yJr0mFpJXHcVCnKZ9tBFSUeiw%3Dreserved=0. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MW4PR17MB45138E0AF181C7EC1E2307AFB73D9%40MW4PR17MB4513.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.
Re: Apple accessibility and third-party apps
Mary; I’ve called Apple about third-party apps. It really depends on the representative who you get. Some will work and some won’t. However, you have nothing to lose. Try it. Stay safe Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone 12 Pro!!! > On Jun 2, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > I wonder if anyone has any experience calling Accessibility at Apple > regarding voiceover with a third-party app. I wouldn’t suppose they would be > much help, but I’m just wondering. I mentioned before that I was having > problems with the MLB app, not being able to go back in the calendar to a > previous month. I just talked to MLB‘s Accessibility person, and the > conversation was ridiculous. She wanted me to uninstall the app, reset my > modem, do all kinds of garbage that’s totally not related to the fact that > the app is not fully accessible. So either I’m missing something, and maybe > that’s where the Apple accessibility people can point out some thing that I’m > not doing right, or there’s just no way to do it. But her advice was absurd. > I mean unlabeled buttons are not a problem that’s going to be solved with all > the garbage that she had me doing. So I didn’t do it. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/E1574FF2-BAF2-49BA-8AC3-146B750C824F%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/FB7F7F77-E2A7-4BF4-B6FA-58CDD8BB1FF1%40gmail.com.
Apple accessibility and third-party apps
I wonder if anyone has any experience calling Accessibility at Apple regarding voiceover with a third-party app. I wouldn’t suppose they would be much help, but I’m just wondering. I mentioned before that I was having problems with the MLB app, not being able to go back in the calendar to a previous month. I just talked to MLB‘s Accessibility person, and the conversation was ridiculous. She wanted me to uninstall the app, reset my modem, do all kinds of garbage that’s totally not related to the fact that the app is not fully accessible. So either I’m missing something, and maybe that’s where the Apple accessibility people can point out some thing that I’m not doing right, or there’s just no way to do it. But her advice was absurd. I mean unlabeled buttons are not a problem that’s going to be solved with all the garbage that she had me doing. So I didn’t do it. Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/E1574FF2-BAF2-49BA-8AC3-146B750C824F%40gmail.com.
Apple Accessibility Update, was Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
The short answer is they don't yet know what is going on. I was not able to talk directly with the advisor who originally took my complaint, but the person whom I did talk to looked into my account and that was the result he would have given me. Let's hope they can figure it out. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 20 On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:19 PM, Arnold Schmidt wrote: I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was trying to describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a better description of the image, but turning it off, as it were, didn't turn it completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are experiencing this should report it to them, being that the more complaints they have about a given issue might make it seem more important. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 20 On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat. I have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 20 On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson wrote: I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off. Viola From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Reg Sullivan Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means? “night sky” Anyone out there know what it represents? Regards…..Reg From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Noe Villeda Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky Hello Listers, What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked? Also, is there a way to take it out of the screen, so it doesn’t show along with flashlight and battery usage? Noe -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/001601d6bc4b%2487d3ebb0%24977bc310%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/006b01d6bd14%24fa9c96
Heard from Apple accessibility about video editing
Since I like editing videos to combine in iMovie and put on YouTube, I was definitely concerned when I heard you couldn’t edit in the traditional way. I wrote Apple accessibility, who sent me the following: Hello, Thank you for your email. To edit a video in the Photos app, first select the video you want to edit, then tap “Edit". Navigate to the “Media Scrubber” and swipe to the right until you hear “Start”. Swipe up to adjust the start of the video to trim the start of the video. Then swipe to the left until you hear “End”, and then swipe down to shorten the video. Select “Done” when finished. Sincerely, Apple Accessibility In time I will have to see how this works. Might be good for others to continue writing about this, as The other method was straightforward and fine-tunable. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/223E7978-B644-462D-88CE-04C6274F62AB%40gmail.com.
Re: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions
Like others, I think that was Apple's standard reply. I have gotten that reply each time I emailed them. A few times, I got a more personal response back later if more information was requested or to acknowledge an issue I was having. Like others have said, I've had better success by calling them about specific issues. Wayne Merritt On 9/30/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: > They just have a standard, auto-reply, kind of like my sister had, when she > worked for Dell. If she wasn't there to reply to an email, she could put her > email on auto-reply. I don't think Apple's says auto-reply, but it is the > standard message. > > However, when I call them, most of the time, I get good response and help, > when possible. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Alexandra > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 9:42 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: AW: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions > > This is Apple's typical standardized answer to everything you send to the > accessibility email address. But sometimes, they really seem to forward > feedback and bugs will be fixed. I guess they will get a whole bunch of > messages from all over the world and can't deal with every email in detail. > Besides, they aren't making decisions by themselves. > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Im Auftrag > von Simon A Fogarty > Gesendet: Samstag, 26. September 2020 00:53 > An: viphone@googlegroups.com > Betreff: RE: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions > > Interesting > > A question becoming feedback, > > I'm not sure how that really works. > Other than a we have no idea and therefore will pass it back to someone else > that has no idea. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary > Otten > Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 7:30 am > To: VIPhone via > Subject: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions > > I sent a question to Apple accessibility a couple of days ago, inquiring > whether they knew if any of the workouts to be featured in the new Apple > fitness service will be audio described. I got a form letter that said thank > you for your feedback. We have passed it on to the appropriate department. > that tells me they didn’t even read it. I didn’t have feedback. I had a > question, a specific one. So at the very least, the reply should’ve said > something about I don’t know, but we will check into it and get back to you. > But passing it along to the appropriate department? That tells me exactly > nothing except that they’ve actually didn’t read my question. I wonder how > common this is for them. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2C5DD507-5480-4518-AF21-4118082C00FC%40gmail.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/SYCPR01MB404866E7F5A8A74DBC402BAC8A360%40SYC
RE: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions
They just have a standard, auto-reply, kind of like my sister had, when she worked for Dell. If she wasn't there to reply to an email, she could put her email on auto-reply. I don't think Apple's says auto-reply, but it is the standard message. However, when I call them, most of the time, I get good response and help, when possible. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alexandra Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 9:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: AW: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions This is Apple's typical standardized answer to everything you send to the accessibility email address. But sometimes, they really seem to forward feedback and bugs will be fixed. I guess they will get a whole bunch of messages from all over the world and can't deal with every email in detail. Besides, they aren't making decisions by themselves. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Im Auftrag von Simon A Fogarty Gesendet: Samstag, 26. September 2020 00:53 An: viphone@googlegroups.com Betreff: RE: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions Interesting A question becoming feedback, I'm not sure how that really works. Other than a we have no idea and therefore will pass it back to someone else that has no idea. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 7:30 am To: VIPhone via Subject: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions I sent a question to Apple accessibility a couple of days ago, inquiring whether they knew if any of the workouts to be featured in the new Apple fitness service will be audio described. I got a form letter that said thank you for your feedback. We have passed it on to the appropriate department. that tells me they didn’t even read it. I didn’t have feedback. I had a question, a specific one. So at the very least, the reply should’ve said something about I don’t know, but we will check into it and get back to you. But passing it along to the appropriate department? That tells me exactly nothing except that they’ve actually didn’t read my question. I wonder how common this is for them. Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2C5DD507-5480-4518-AF21-4118082C00FC%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/SYCPR01MB404866E7F5A8A74DBC402BAC8A360%40SYCPR01MB4048.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroup
AW: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions
This is Apple's typical standardized answer to everything you send to the accessibility email address. But sometimes, they really seem to forward feedback and bugs will be fixed. I guess they will get a whole bunch of messages from all over the world and can't deal with every email in detail. Besides, they aren't making decisions by themselves. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Im Auftrag von Simon A Fogarty Gesendet: Samstag, 26. September 2020 00:53 An: viphone@googlegroups.com Betreff: RE: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions Interesting A question becoming feedback, I'm not sure how that really works. Other than a we have no idea and therefore will pass it back to someone else that has no idea. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 7:30 am To: VIPhone via Subject: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions I sent a question to Apple accessibility a couple of days ago, inquiring whether they knew if any of the workouts to be featured in the new Apple fitness service will be audio described. I got a form letter that said thank you for your feedback. We have passed it on to the appropriate department. that tells me they didn’t even read it. I didn’t have feedback. I had a question, a specific one. So at the very least, the reply should’ve said something about I don’t know, but we will check into it and get back to you. But passing it along to the appropriate department? That tells me exactly nothing except that they’ve actually didn’t read my question. I wonder how common this is for them. Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2C5DD507-5480-4518-AF21-4118082C00FC%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/SYCPR01MB404866E7F5A8A74DBC402BAC8A360%40SYCPR01MB4048.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/03cd01d6972f%24680c1e10%2438245a30%24%40gmx.de.
RE: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions
Definitely, I always call. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Afik Souffir Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 5:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions Auto reply, and its happend often. I suggest calling to them. Sent from my Iphone > On 25 Sep 2020, at 22:30, Mary Otten wrote: > > I sent a question to Apple accessibility a couple of days ago, inquiring > whether they knew if any of the workouts to be featured in the new Apple > fitness service will be audio described. I got a form letter that said thank > you for your feedback. We have passed it on to the appropriate department. > that tells me they didn’t even read it. I didn’t have feedback. I had a > question, a specific one. So at the very least, the reply should’ve said > something about I don’t know, but we will check into it and get back to you. > But passing it along to the appropriate department? That tells me exactly > nothing except that they’ve actually didn’t read my question. I wonder how > common this is for them. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cbfa473c4e49f4305d9fd08d861897bd2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637366590394301295sdata=xpLYmokg9DZxLApDpRSnPDjcr3fKKDolTOTUbL55EoQ%3Dreserved=0 > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F2C5DD507-5480-4518-AF21-4118082C00FC%2540gmail.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cbfa473c4e49f4305d9fd08d861897bd2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637366590394301295sdata=G0%2FFoc3VN6OwnvJxRSh8kWMbEtra3VXfozhATEqyTQ4%3Dreserved=0. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BYAPR06MB491924A716DD8FD5AAA2863685360%40BYAPR06MB4919.namprd06.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/054a01d69429%24eb226c40%24c16744c0%24%40windstream.net.
RE: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions
I think that is their standard auto reply to any inquiry. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 3:30 PM To: VIPhone via Subject: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions I sent a question to Apple accessibility a couple of days ago, inquiring whether they knew if any of the workouts to be featured in the new Apple fitness service will be audio described. I got a form letter that said thank you for your feedback. We have passed it on to the appropriate department. that tells me they didn’t even read it. I didn’t have feedback. I had a question, a specific one. So at the very least, the reply should’ve said something about I don’t know, but we will check into it and get back to you. But passing it along to the appropriate department? That tells me exactly nothing except that they’ve actually didn’t read my question. I wonder how common this is for them. Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2C5DD507-5480-4518-AF21-4118082C00FC%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/053a01d69429%24c1c0db20%2445429160%24%40windstream.net.
Re: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions
Hi, Given that the service is not available yet, they may not want to release details. Also, sometimes it takes them about a week to get back to you. I'm sure they're getting higher traffic than usual considering that they just released major updates. Feliciano For tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs > On Sep 25, 2020, at 12:30 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > I sent a question to Apple accessibility a couple of days ago, inquiring > whether they knew if any of the workouts to be featured in the new Apple > fitness service will be audio described. I got a form letter that said thank > you for your feedback. We have passed it on to the appropriate department. > that tells me they didn’t even read it. I didn’t have feedback. I had a > question, a specific one. So at the very least, the reply should’ve said > something about I don’t know, but we will check into it and get back to you. > But passing it along to the appropriate department? That tells me exactly > nothing except that they’ve actually didn’t read my question. I wonder how > common this is for them. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2C5DD507-5480-4518-AF21-4118082C00FC%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BYAPR07MB56728B915A42531F161956E3CC370%40BYAPR07MB5672.namprd07.prod.outlook.com.
RE: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions
Interesting A question becoming feedback, I'm not sure how that really works. Other than a we have no idea and therefore will pass it back to someone else that has no idea. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 7:30 am To: VIPhone via Subject: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions I sent a question to Apple accessibility a couple of days ago, inquiring whether they knew if any of the workouts to be featured in the new Apple fitness service will be audio described. I got a form letter that said thank you for your feedback. We have passed it on to the appropriate department. that tells me they didn’t even read it. I didn’t have feedback. I had a question, a specific one. So at the very least, the reply should’ve said something about I don’t know, but we will check into it and get back to you. But passing it along to the appropriate department? That tells me exactly nothing except that they’ve actually didn’t read my question. I wonder how common this is for them. Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2C5DD507-5480-4518-AF21-4118082C00FC%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/SYCPR01MB404866E7F5A8A74DBC402BAC8A360%40SYCPR01MB4048.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com.
Re: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions
Auto reply, and its happend often. I suggest calling to them. Sent from my Iphone > On 25 Sep 2020, at 22:30, Mary Otten wrote: > > I sent a question to Apple accessibility a couple of days ago, inquiring > whether they knew if any of the workouts to be featured in the new Apple > fitness service will be audio described. I got a form letter that said thank > you for your feedback. We have passed it on to the appropriate department. > that tells me they didn’t even read it. I didn’t have feedback. I had a > question, a specific one. So at the very least, the reply should’ve said > something about I don’t know, but we will check into it and get back to you. > But passing it along to the appropriate department? That tells me exactly > nothing except that they’ve actually didn’t read my question. I wonder how > common this is for them. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cbfa473c4e49f4305d9fd08d861897bd2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637366590394301295sdata=xpLYmokg9DZxLApDpRSnPDjcr3fKKDolTOTUbL55EoQ%3Dreserved=0 > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F2C5DD507-5480-4518-AF21-4118082C00FC%2540gmail.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cbfa473c4e49f4305d9fd08d861897bd2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637366590394301295sdata=G0%2FFoc3VN6OwnvJxRSh8kWMbEtra3VXfozhATEqyTQ4%3Dreserved=0. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BYAPR06MB491924A716DD8FD5AAA2863685360%40BYAPR06MB4919.namprd06.prod.outlook.com.
Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions
I sent a question to Apple accessibility a couple of days ago, inquiring whether they knew if any of the workouts to be featured in the new Apple fitness service will be audio described. I got a form letter that said thank you for your feedback. We have passed it on to the appropriate department. that tells me they didn’t even read it. I didn’t have feedback. I had a question, a specific one. So at the very least, the reply should’ve said something about I don’t know, but we will check into it and get back to you. But passing it along to the appropriate department? That tells me exactly nothing except that they’ve actually didn’t read my question. I wonder how common this is for them. Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2C5DD507-5480-4518-AF21-4118082C00FC%40gmail.com.
RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
Richard is right and sometimes I ask myself whether the folks from Applevis have a portfolio of Apple stocks or so because I find that the VO sluggishness and the focus issues are very severe tramendous bugs and they even don’t classify these issues as being severe. Davy Van: viphone@googlegroups.com Namens Richard Turner Verzonden: zondag 20 september 2020 2:02 Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com Onderwerp: Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility I am still on the beta gold master of 14, and duplicated the behavior. I went ahead and did a screen recording and submitted it through the feedback app. This is intolerable! Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:57 PM, Shirley Baker wrote: Alan, I'm sorry for what you have gone through with apple accessibility concerning your phone. Some of those people are very good and some not so good. I just hope you can get it all resolved very soon! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2020, at 6:26 PM, Alan Lemly wrote: Hello List, I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again: 1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. 2. My Touch ID was reset. 3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. 4. All my custom keyboards were removed. 5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. 6. My default ringtone was reset. 7. The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to something that appears to be sort of a red orange color. 8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall. I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes. So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store. I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ <https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C46c8a726aedc4a48613108d85cf7b2e9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C6373615
RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
I'm with you, Mark - plan to skip 14 and go to the next one or maybe the next after the next. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility Hello Cristobal, I have not yet updated my beloved 8 Plus to iOS 14 and do not plan on doing so anytime soon. However, I have updated my iPad to iPad OS 14 and am not experiencing any of the focus issues, reported on the list. Question: Does disabling Scene Description mode resolve the VoiceOver focus problem? I ask because doing so on my iPad made VoiceOver perform as expected. Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility That… sucks. The VO jumpiness and getting stuck is something I too have reported to Apple Accessibility. I believe others are experiencing it too. It’s actually a major pain and feels like a major bug. I get it when trying to share something via the share sheet, When trying to fill in log in credentials with 1Password and randomly here and there throughout iOS. It also seems to be present in SeeingAI. Pretty much breaking that functionality. In my case, I reported it via email and the accessibility team asked me to provide a screen recording of the issue as well as a system log during the time I did the screen recording which I did. There are some other bugs I’m dealing with in regards to text editing and VO being over chatty now (saying toolbar on the toolbar now), but this jumpiness and getting stuck on buttons/edit fields etc. really is a pain. Good luck and hopefully you can find some sort of resolution instead of having to wait for an open Apple store. Cristóbal From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:27 PM To: 'VIPhone Email List' Subject: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility Hello List, I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again: 1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. 2. My Touch ID was reset. 3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. 4. All my custom keyboards were removed. 5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. 6. My default ringtone was reset. 7. The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to something that appears to be sort of a red orange color. 8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall. I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes. So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store. I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome
RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
Hello Robin, I am running iOS 13.7 on my beloved 8 Plus (smile). Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility JustWonderin: Which iteration of Apple's iOS is ON Your (Beloved) 8+? At 05:00 PM 9/19/2020, you wrote: >Hello Cristobal, > >I have not yet updated my beloved 8 Plus to iOS >14 and do not plan on doing so anytime soon. > >However, I have updated my iPad to iPad OS 14 >and am not experiencing any of the focus issues, reported on the list. > >Question: Does disabling Scene Description mode >resolve the VoiceOver focus problem? > >I ask because doing so on my iPad made VoiceOver perform as expected. > >Mark > > >From: viphone@googlegroups.com >[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz >Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:35 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: RE: Caution against following advice to >reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility > >That… sucks. >The VO jumpiness and getting stuck is something >I too have reported to Apple Accessibility. I >believe others are experiencing it too. It’s >actually a major pain and feels like a major bug. >I get it when trying to share something via the >share sheet, When trying to fill in log in >credentials with 1Password and randomly here and >there throughout iOS. It also seems to be >present in SeeingAI. Pretty much breaking that functionality. >In my case, I reported it via email and the >accessibility team asked me to provide a screen >recording of the issue as well as a system log >during the time I did the screen recording which I did. >There are some other bugs I’m dealing with in >regards to text editing and VO being over chatty >now (saying toolbar on the toolbar now), but >this jumpiness and getting stuck on buttons/edit fields etc. really is a pain. >Good >luck and hopefully you can find some sort of >resolution instead of having to wait for an open Apple store. > >Cristóbal > >From: viphone@googlegroups.com > On Behalf Of Alan Lemly >Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:27 PM >To: 'VIPhone Email List' >Subject: Caution against following advice to >reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility > >Hello List, > >I want to caution others from avoiding the >problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple >Accessibility to report an issue I was having >with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting >under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media >and purchases, I noticed that when swiping >through the various controls to check out the >screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple >ID control in the upper left of the screen. This >was some major jumping and occurred on several >controls on that screen. Trying to be a good >citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report >the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard >who was nice enough but who suggested I reset >all my settings to factory defaults. I argued >with him that I had a lot of custom settings and >wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was >the first suggestion they gave after getting >contacted about problems following an iOS >upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all >my settings. Here are some of the things that >were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again: > >1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. >2. My Touch ID was reset. >3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. >4. All my custom keyboards were removed. >5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. >6. My default ringtone was reset. >7. The background color of my home screen was >reset from a sea green to something that appears >to be sort of a red orange color. >8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall. > >I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the >settings but could never figure out how to reset >the background color of my home screen. I looked >under display and screen settings and under >Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to >restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes >before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an >hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple >logo appears on a black screen as it used to >when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few >seconds and then disappears and then reappears >again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not >restart and is no longer recogni
RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
JustWonderin: Which iteration of Apple's iOS is ON Your (Beloved) 8+? At 05:00 PM 9/19/2020, you wrote: Hello Cristobal, I have not yet updated my beloved 8 Plus to iOS 14 and do not plan on doing so anytime soon. However, I have updated my iPad to iPad OS 14 and am not experiencing any of the focus issues, reported on the list. Question: Does disabling Scene Description mode resolve the VoiceOver focus problem? I ask because doing so on my iPad made VoiceOver perform as expected. Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility That… sucks. The VO jumpiness and getting stuck is something I too have reported to Apple Accessibility. I believe others are experiencing it too. It’s actually a major pain and feels like a major bug. I get it when trying to share something via the share sheet, When trying to fill in log in credentials with 1Password and randomly here and there throughout iOS. It also seems to be present in SeeingAI. Pretty much breaking that functionality. In my case, I reported it via email and the accessibility team asked me to provide a screen recording of the issue as well as a system log during the time I did the screen recording which I did. There are some other bugs I’m dealing with in regards to text editing and VO being over chatty now (saying toolbar on the toolbar now), but this jumpiness and getting stuck on buttons/edit fields etc. really is a pain. Good luck and hopefully you can find some sort of resolution instead of having to wait for an open Apple store. Cristóbal From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:27 PM To: 'VIPhone Email List' Subject: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility Hello List, I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again: 1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. 2. My Touch ID was reset. 3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. 4. All my custom keyboards were removed. 5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. 6. My default ringtone was reset. 7. The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to something that appears to be sort of a red orange color. 8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall. I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes. So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store. I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel
Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
Really? Why didn't that HappenWith Apple's iOS13? JustSayin At 04:50 PM 9/19/2020, you wrote: I'm going to recommend that people who haven't upgraded to 14 not do so just yet. It's not going to break your phone, but there are some huge headaches you'll encounter with IOS 14. The one good thing about Apple is that they usually get on this stuff pretty fast and start pushing out fixes for it. So you'll be able to get 14 in a few weeks and have a much better experience than others. On 9/19/2020 6:34 PM, Alan Lemly wrote: And I forgot to mention that the problem with focus jumping all over the Media and purchases screen was still present after resetting all of my settings.  Alan  Hello List,  I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again:  1.  All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. 2.  My Touch ID was reset. 3.  The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. 4.  All my custom keyboards were removed. 5.  My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. 6.  My default ringtone was reset. 7.  The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to something that appears to be sort of a red orange color. 8.  Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall.  I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes.  So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store.  I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store.  Alan Lemly  -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.  If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.  Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>caraqu...@caraquinn.com  The archives for this list can be searched at: <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/>http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/007501d68edd%247878d630%24696a8290%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/007501d68edd%247878d630%24696a8290%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact
Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
If all else fails, try this. connect your phone to iTunes and then put it into DFU mode. This will give you feedback from your screen reader and you'll know if iTunes is still seeing the phone. Be sure to choose the update and restore button instead of just restore. I think you have to hit the first restore button to get that second update and restore button to come up. This will give you a clean install just in case something went wrong some where. Then maybe you can update from iCloud to get some of your settings back. On 9/19/2020 8:25 PM, Alan Lemly wrote: Gordon, Yes, I also did an iCloud backup before upgrading to iOS 14. I didn't expect my restoration of my encrypted iTunes backup to bring back iOS 13.7. I just wanted to get all my settings back with iOS 14 which is what usually happens when you do an iTunes restore. However, my iPhone just has a Apple logo on it which appears for a few seconds then disappears and then repeats. I'll try to do a recovery with iTunes again before going to the Apple Store. Alan *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Gordon *Sent:* Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:46 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility You're encrypted backup isn't going to work since it's a 13.7 backup and your phone is running 14. If you're lucky your phone might just be stuck in recovery mode and didn't actually try to downgrade back to 13.7 which I'm not sure if Apple is still signing that anymore. Do some google searches on ways to get your iPhone out of recovery mode to see if any of those suggestions will work. Maybe you'll get lucky and it will boot up in IOS 14 and you'll just have to set up as a new phone. Do you backup to iCloud as well? If so, you might be able to restore from that. On 9/19/2020 6:26 PM, Alan Lemly wrote: Hello List, I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again: 1.All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. 2.My Touch ID was reset. 3.The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. 4.All my custom keyboards were removed. 5.My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. 6.My default ringtone was reset. 7.The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to something that appears to be sort of a red orange color. 8.Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall. I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes. So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store. I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you
RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
Thanks everyone for all the comments on IOS 14. I usually allow automatic updates but went in and turned that off for now. I love my iPhone SE 2020 but Apple sure isn’t as careful with updates as when Steve Jobs was alive. Maybe it is just a sign of the times. Vivian and Sallie From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility Gordon, Yes, I also did an iCloud backup before upgrading to iOS 14. I didn't expect my restoration of my encrypted iTunes backup to bring back iOS 13.7. I just wanted to get all my settings back with iOS 14 which is what usually happens when you do an iTunes restore. However, my iPhone just has a Apple logo on it which appears for a few seconds then disappears and then repeats. I'll try to do a recovery with iTunes again before going to the Apple Store. Alan From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility You're encrypted backup isn't going to work since it's a 13.7 backup and your phone is running 14. If you're lucky your phone might just be stuck in recovery mode and didn't actually try to downgrade back to 13.7 which I'm not sure if Apple is still signing that anymore. Do some google searches on ways to get your iPhone out of recovery mode to see if any of those suggestions will work. Maybe you'll get lucky and it will boot up in IOS 14 and you'll just have to set up as a new phone. Do you backup to iCloud as well? If so, you might be able to restore from that. On 9/19/2020 6:26 PM, Alan Lemly wrote: Hello List, I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again: 1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. 2. My Touch ID was reset. 3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. 4. All my custom keyboards were removed. 5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. 6. My default ringtone was reset. 7. The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to something that appears to be sort of a red orange color. 8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall. I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes. So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store. I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or
RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
Mark, Thanks for the DFU article. I'll be trying that in a bit if the other recovery option with iTunes doesn't work. I saw the post with the DFU explanation and can follow it just fine without any additional formatting. Alan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:44 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility Hello Alan, I am so very sorry for what you have encountered. It sounds like a nightmare. I think the solution to your problem is to put your phone into DFU mode. I am going to paste in an article that I just found, below. I will also post the article to the list in a separate thread for future reference. In order to save time and get the article to you as quickly as possible, I will not format the document in this paste; however I will format the document in its separate thread. Good luck, my friend, and let us know how it goes. Mark How To Put An iPhone In DFU Mode, The Apple Way How To Put An iPhone In DFU Mode, The Apple Way By David Payette: February 20, 2019 DFU stands for Device Firmware Update, and it s the deepest type of restore you can do on an iPhone. An Apple lead genius taught me how to put iPhones into DFU mode, and as an Apple tech, I ve done it hundreds of times. Surprisingly, I ve never seen another article explain how to enter DFU mode the way I was trained. A lot of the information out there is just plain wrong. In this article, I ll explain what DFU mode is, how firmware works on your iPhone, and show you step-by-step how to DFU restore your iPhone. If you d rather watch than read (actually, both can be helpful), skip down to our new YouTube video about DFU mode and how to DFU restore an iPhone. What You Need To Know Before We Begin The Home Button is the circular button below your iPhone s display. The Sleep / Wake Button is Apple s name for the power button. You ll need a timer to count to 8 seconds (or you can do it in your head). If you can, back up your iPhone to iCloud, iTunes, or Finder before put your iPhone in DFU mode. NEW: Macs running macOS Catalina 10.15 or newer use Finder to DFU restore iPhones. How To Put An iPhone In DFU Mode 1. Plug your iPhone into your computer and open iTunes if you have a Mac running macOS Mojave 10.14 or a PC. Open Finder if you have a Mac running macOS Catalina 10.15 or newer. It doesn t matter if your iPhone is on or off. 2. Press and hold the Sleep / Wake Button and Home Button (iPhone 6s and below) or the volume down button (iPhone 7) together for 8 seconds. 3. After 8 seconds, release the Sleep / Wake Button but continue to hold the Home Button (iPhone 6s and below) or the volume down button (iPhone 7) until your iPhone appears in iTunes or Finder. 4. Let go of the Home Button or volume down button. Your iPhone s display will be completely black if you ve successfully entered DFU mode. If it s not, try again from the beginning. 5. Restore your iPhone using iTunes or Finder. How To Put An iPhone 8, 8 Plus, Or X In DFU Mode A lot of other websites give false, misleading, or overcomplicated steps when telling you how to DFU restore your iPhone 8, 8 Plus, or X. They ll tell you to turn off your iPhone first, which is completely unnecessary. Your iPhone does not have to be off before you put it in DFU Mode. If you like our videos, watch our new YouTube video about how to DFU restore your iPhone X, 8, or 8 Plus. If you prefer to read the steps, the process is actually a lot easier than they make it out to be! The process starts off just like a hard reset. 1. To DFU restore your iPhone X, 8, or 8 Plus, quickly press and release the volume up button, then quickly press and release the volume down button, and then press and hold the side button until the screen goes black. 2. As soon as the screen turns black, press and hold the volume down button while continuing to hold the side button. 3. After 5 seconds, release the side button but continue to hold the volume down button until your iPhone shows up in iTunes or Finder. 4. As soon as it appears in iTunes or Finder, release the volume button. Ta-da! Your iPhone is in DFU mode. Note: If the Apple logo is appearing on the screen, you held down the volume down button for too long. Start the process over from the beginning and try again. How To Put An iPhone XS, XS Max, Or XR In DFU Mode The steps for putting an iPhone XS, XS Max, XR in DFU mode are exactly the same as the steps for the iPhone 8, 8 Plus, and X. Check out our YouTube video about putting an iPhone XS, XS Max, or XR in DFU mode if you re more of a visual learner! We use my iPhone XS to walk you through every step of the process. How To Put An iPhone 11, 11 Pro, Or 11 Pro Max
Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2020, at 6:34 PM, Alan Lemly wrote: > > > And I forgot to mention that the problem with focus jumping all over the > Media and purchases screen was still present after resetting all of my > settings. > > Alan > > Hello List, > > I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after > calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I > was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media > and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to > check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in > the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on > several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple > Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was > nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I > argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable > doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting > contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better > judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were > reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again: > > 1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. > 2. My Touch ID was reset. > 3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. > 4. All my custom keyboards were removed. > 5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. > 6. My default ringtone was reset. > 7. The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to > something that appears to be sort of a red orange color. > 8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall. > > I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never > figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked > under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I > then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before > upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that > the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard > reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears > again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer > recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes. > > So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple > Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never > had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I > guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store. > > I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading > to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them > because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store. > > Alan Lemly > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/007501d68edd%247878d630%24696a8290%24%40gmail.com. > Hi, I as well had a problem with the installing of software on my iPhone. > Just as an FYI my understanding Apple store are closed. The way I was able to > recover my phone is by taking it to a phone shop where they brought it back > for me. Apple accessibility was no help at all to me. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can
RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
Gordon, Yes, I also did an iCloud backup before upgrading to iOS 14. I didn't expect my restoration of my encrypted iTunes backup to bring back iOS 13.7. I just wanted to get all my settings back with iOS 14 which is what usually happens when you do an iTunes restore. However, my iPhone just has a Apple logo on it which appears for a few seconds then disappears and then repeats. I'll try to do a recovery with iTunes again before going to the Apple Store. Alan From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility You're encrypted backup isn't going to work since it's a 13.7 backup and your phone is running 14. If you're lucky your phone might just be stuck in recovery mode and didn't actually try to downgrade back to 13.7 which I'm not sure if Apple is still signing that anymore. Do some google searches on ways to get your iPhone out of recovery mode to see if any of those suggestions will work. Maybe you'll get lucky and it will boot up in IOS 14 and you'll just have to set up as a new phone. Do you backup to iCloud as well? If so, you might be able to restore from that. On 9/19/2020 6:26 PM, Alan Lemly wrote: Hello List, I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again: 1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. 2. My Touch ID was reset. 3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. 4. All my custom keyboards were removed. 5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. 6. My default ringtone was reset. 7. The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to something that appears to be sort of a red orange color. 8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall. I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes. So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store. I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphon
RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
Hi Mark, NO, unfortunately it doesn't. As others have mentioned enabling that setting made a lot of apps unusable. There was no change in the focus behavior either. The only way I could get VO to stop its weird screen recognition hiccup was to restart the device completely. So restarting doesn't resolve anything either. Apple responded that they were aware of the HTLM element issue and that they were working on it, but man. It's all over the place and once you encounter it, that's it. All you can do is force quit the app. Maybe if you're lucky, you can dismiss that screen, but that's usually not the case. Also, for me at least, VO can't maintain focus on the dictate button. It jumps and flickers and the haptic feedback is as if the phone's doing the jitterbug. I have to use the two finger double tap to invoke dictation which is not as convenient as simply using one hand as more often than not, you've got to use two hands with the two finger tap thing. One to hold the device and the other to tap. All in all, talk about beyond annoying. Cristóbal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 5:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility Hello Cristobal, I have not yet updated my beloved 8 Plus to iOS 14 and do not plan on doing so anytime soon. However, I have updated my iPad to iPad OS 14 and am not experiencing any of the focus issues, reported on the list. Question: Does disabling Scene Description mode resolve the VoiceOver focus problem? I ask because doing so on my iPad made VoiceOver perform as expected. Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility That… sucks. The VO jumpiness and getting stuck is something I too have reported to Apple Accessibility. I believe others are experiencing it too. It’s actually a major pain and feels like a major bug. I get it when trying to share something via the share sheet, When trying to fill in log in credentials with 1Password and randomly here and there throughout iOS. It also seems to be present in SeeingAI. Pretty much breaking that functionality. In my case, I reported it via email and the accessibility team asked me to provide a screen recording of the issue as well as a system log during the time I did the screen recording which I did. There are some other bugs I’m dealing with in regards to text editing and VO being over chatty now (saying toolbar on the toolbar now), but this jumpiness and getting stuck on buttons/edit fields etc. really is a pain. Good luck and hopefully you can find some sort of resolution instead of having to wait for an open Apple store. Cristóbal From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:27 PM To: 'VIPhone Email List' Subject: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility Hello List, I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again: 1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. 2. My Touch ID was reset. 3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. 4. All my custom keyboards were removed. 5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. 6. My default ringtone was reset. 7. The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to something that appears to be sort of a red orange color. 8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall. I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display and screen
Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
I am still on the beta gold master of 14, and duplicated the behavior. I went ahead and did a screen recording and submitted it through the feedback app. This is intolerable! Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:57 PM, Shirley Baker wrote: Alan, I'm sorry for what you have gone through with apple accessibility concerning your phone. Some of those people are very good and some not so good. I just hope you can get it all resolved very soon! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2020, at 6:26 PM, Alan Lemly wrote: Hello List, I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again: 1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. 2. My Touch ID was reset. 3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. 4. All my custom keyboards were removed. 5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. 6. My default ringtone was reset. 7. The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to something that appears to be sort of a red orange color. 8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall. I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes. So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store. I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/<https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C46c8a726aedc4a48613108d85cf7b2e9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637361566207492034=G%2BLaiQbLcifAvuz1O4iIJMpoH8KOQADNDnpWU6Aqd8Y%3D=0> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005801d68edc%24561b7e40%2402527ac0%24%40gmail.com<https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F005
RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
Hello Cristobal, I have not yet updated my beloved 8 Plus to iOS 14 and do not plan on doing so anytime soon. However, I have updated my iPad to iPad OS 14 and am not experiencing any of the focus issues, reported on the list. Question: Does disabling Scene Description mode resolve the VoiceOver focus problem? I ask because doing so on my iPad made VoiceOver perform as expected. Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility That… sucks. The VO jumpiness and getting stuck is something I too have reported to Apple Accessibility. I believe others are experiencing it too. It’s actually a major pain and feels like a major bug. I get it when trying to share something via the share sheet, When trying to fill in log in credentials with 1Password and randomly here and there throughout iOS. It also seems to be present in SeeingAI. Pretty much breaking that functionality. In my case, I reported it via email and the accessibility team asked me to provide a screen recording of the issue as well as a system log during the time I did the screen recording which I did. There are some other bugs I’m dealing with in regards to text editing and VO being over chatty now (saying toolbar on the toolbar now), but this jumpiness and getting stuck on buttons/edit fields etc. really is a pain. Good luck and hopefully you can find some sort of resolution instead of having to wait for an open Apple store. Cristóbal From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:27 PM To: 'VIPhone Email List' Subject: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility Hello List, I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again: 1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. 2. My Touch ID was reset. 3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. 4. All my custom keyboards were removed. 5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. 6. My default ringtone was reset. 7. The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to something that appears to be sort of a red orange color. 8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall. I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes. So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store. I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone
Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
Alan, I'm sorry for what you have gone through with apple accessibility concerning your phone. Some of those people are very good and some not so good. I just hope you can get it all resolved very soon! Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2020, at 6:26 PM, Alan Lemly wrote: > > > Hello List, > > I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after > calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I > was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media > and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to > check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in > the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on > several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple > Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was > nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I > argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable > doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting > contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better > judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were > reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again: > > 1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. > 2. My Touch ID was reset. > 3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. > 4. All my custom keyboards were removed. > 5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. > 6. My default ringtone was reset. > 7. The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to > something that appears to be sort of a red orange color. > 8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall. > > I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never > figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked > under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I > then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before > upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that > the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard > reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears > again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer > recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes. > > So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple > Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never > had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I > guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store. > > I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading > to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them > because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store. > > Alan Lemly > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005801d68edc%24561b7e40%2402527ac0%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
I'm going to recommend that people who haven't upgraded to 14 not do so just yet. It's not going to break your phone, but there are some huge headaches you'll encounter with IOS 14. The one good thing about Apple is that they usually get on this stuff pretty fast and start pushing out fixes for it. So you'll be able to get 14 in a few weeks and have a much better experience than others. On 9/19/2020 6:34 PM, Alan Lemly wrote: And I forgot to mention that the problem with focus jumping all over the Media and purchases screen was still present after resetting all of my settings. Alan Hello List, I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again: 1.All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. 2.My Touch ID was reset. 3.The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. 4.All my custom keyboards were removed. 5.My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. 6.My default ringtone was reset. 7.The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to something that appears to be sort of a red orange color. 8.Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall. I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes. So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store. I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/007501d68edd%247878d630%24696a8290%24%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/007501d68edd%247878d630%24696a8290%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara
Re: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
You're encrypted backup isn't going to work since it's a 13.7 backup and your phone is running 14. If you're lucky your phone might just be stuck in recovery mode and didn't actually try to downgrade back to 13.7 which I'm not sure if Apple is still signing that anymore. Do some google searches on ways to get your iPhone out of recovery mode to see if any of those suggestions will work. Maybe you'll get lucky and it will boot up in IOS 14 and you'll just have to set up as a new phone. Do you backup to iCloud as well? If so, you might be able to restore from that. On 9/19/2020 6:26 PM, Alan Lemly wrote: Hello List, I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again: 1.All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. 2.My Touch ID was reset. 3.The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. 4.All my custom keyboards were removed. 5.My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. 6.My default ringtone was reset. 7.The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to something that appears to be sort of a red orange color. 8.Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall. I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes. So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store. I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005801d68edc%24561b7e40%2402527ac0%24%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005801d68edc%24561b7e40%2402527ac0%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - y
RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
on your iPhone. There’s the potential for something to go wrong. If your iPhone is damaged in any way, and especially if it’s water-damaged, a DFU restore may break your iPhone. I’ve worked with customers who tried to restore their iPhones to fix a minor problem, but water had damaged another component that prevented the restore from completing. A useable iPhone with minor problems can become completely unusable if a DFU restore fails because of water-damage. What’s Firmware? What Does It Do? Firmware is the programming that controls the hardware of your device. Software changes all the time (you install apps and download new email), hardware never changes (hopefully, you don’t open your iPhone and rearrange its components), and firmware almost never changes — unless it has to. What Other Electronic Devices Have Firmware? All of them! Think about it: Your washing machine, dryer, TV remote, and microwave all use firmware to control buttons, timers, and other basic functions. You can’t change what the Popcorn setting does on your microwave, so it’s not software — it’s firmware. DFU Restores: All Day, Every Day. Apple employees restore a lot of iPhones. Given the option, I’d always choose a DFU restore over a regular or recovery mode restore. This isn’t official Apple policy and some techs would say it’s overkill, but if an iPhone has a problem that can be resolved with a restore, a DFU restore stands the best chance of fixing it. Thanks for reading and I hope this article clarifies some of the misinformation on the internet about how to enter DFU mode and why you’d want to use it. I encourage you to embrace your inner geekiness. You should be proud! Now you can tell your friends (and kids), “Yeah, I know how to DFU restore my iPhone.” Thanks for reading and all the best, David P. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:27 PM To: 'VIPhone Email List' Subject: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility Hello List, I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again: 1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. 2. My Touch ID was reset. 3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. 4. All my custom keyboards were removed. 5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. 6. My default ringtone was reset. 7. The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to something that appears to be sort of a red orange color. 8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall. I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes. So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store. I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running
RE: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
That… sucks. The VO jumpiness and getting stuck is something I too have reported to Apple Accessibility. I believe others are experiencing it too. It’s actually a major pain and feels like a major bug. I get it when trying to share something via the share sheet, When trying to fill in log in credentials with 1Password and randomly here and there throughout iOS. It also seems to be present in SeeingAI. Pretty much breaking that functionality. In my case, I reported it via email and the accessibility team asked me to provide a screen recording of the issue as well as a system log during the time I did the screen recording which I did. There are some other bugs I’m dealing with in regards to text editing and VO being over chatty now (saying toolbar on the toolbar now), but this jumpiness and getting stuck on buttons/edit fields etc. really is a pain. Good luck and hopefully you can find some sort of resolution instead of having to wait for an open Apple store. Cristóbal From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:27 PM To: 'VIPhone Email List' Subject: Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility Hello List, I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again: 1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. 2. My Touch ID was reset. 3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. 4. All my custom keyboards were removed. 5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. 6. My default ringtone was reset. 7. The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to something that appears to be sort of a red orange color. 8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall. I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes. So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store. I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com&g
Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
And I forgot to mention that the problem with focus jumping all over the Media and purchases screen was still present after resetting all of my settings. Alan Hello List, I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again: 1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. 2. My Touch ID was reset. 3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. 4. All my custom keyboards were removed. 5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. 6. My default ringtone was reset. 7. The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to something that appears to be sort of a red orange color. 8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall. I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes. So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store. I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/007501d68edd%247878d630%24696a8290%24%40gmail.com.
Caution against following advice to reset settings when reporting iOS 14 issues to Apple Accessibility
Hello List, I want to caution others from avoiding the problem I'm experiencing after calling Apple Accessibility to report an issue I was having with iOS 14. I was checking out the setting under my name/Apple ID and when I opened Media and purchases, I noticed that when swiping through the various controls to check out the screen that focus kept jumping back to the Apple ID control in the upper left of the screen. This was some major jumping and occurred on several controls on that screen. Trying to be a good citizen, I called Apple Accessibility to report the issue. I spoke with someone named Willard who was nice enough but who suggested I reset all my settings to factory defaults. I argued with him that I had a lot of custom settings and wasn't comfortable doing that but he said it was the first suggestion they gave after getting contacted about problems following an iOS upgrade. Against my better judgment, I reset all my settings. Here are some of the things that were reset that will prevent me from ever doing that again: 1. All my Apple cash credit cards were removed. 2. My Touch ID was reset. 3. The accessibility setting for Voiceover with the home button was reset. 4. All my custom keyboards were removed. 5. My keyboard settings were changed from Touch typing to standard typing. 6. My default ringtone was reset. 7. The background color of my home screen was reset from a sea green to something that appears to be sort of a red orange color. 8. Other custom settings I had made were reset that I can't recall. I was able to puzzle out and reset most of the settings but could never figure out how to reset the background color of my home screen. I looked under display and screen settings and under Wallpaper but found nothing. I then decided to restore my encrypted backup I made with iTunes before upgrading to iOS 14. That took over an hour and now all my phone does is that the Apple logo appears on a black screen as it used to when doing a hard reset but it appears for a few seconds and then disappears and then reappears again. The phone which is an SE 2020 will not restart and is no longer recognized when I plug it to the lightning cable and open iTunes. So the moral of this story is if you have an iOS 14 issue to report to Apple Accessibility, don't let them convince you to reset your settings. I've never had a problem with restoration of an iTunes encrypted backup before but I guess my phone is out of commission until I get to an Apple Store. I did upgrade iTunes to its latest version before backing up before upgrading to iOS 14. If anyone has any recommendations to try, I'd truly welcome them because I need my phone before I'll be able to get to an Apple Store. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005801d68edc%24561b7e40%2402527ac0%24%40gmail.com.
RE: Got the moving app solved with Apple Accessibility.
I did a reset one time on my old phone - would avoid that like the plague - would rather have Contacts on Page Three and Face Time at the top of Page two than do a complete reset. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 8:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Got the moving app solved with Apple Accessibility. Try Not, Do, Or Do not, There is no Try! Yoda, Jedi Master! -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Holly Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2020 11:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Got the moving app solved with Apple Accessibility. "Determine that the thing can and shall be done, and then...find the way." Abraham Lincoln -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/969A17D2221E4DD78793FACD5A34D44A%40HollyPC. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/SYCPR01MB4048394172076FFA708EB4688A760%40SYCPR01MB4048.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/02f301d6611d%24505bd5f0%24f11381d0%24%40windstream.net.
RE: Got the moving app solved with Apple Accessibility.
And patients is a key attribute to someone working successfully on a helpdesk or service desk. A good customer service skill. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2020 12:48 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Got the moving app solved with Apple Accessibility. Absolutely, I had decided, as I am prone to do, that it was going to be my way. Jim and I agree that those guys at Apple Accessibility really are patient. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Holly Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 7:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Got the moving app solved with Apple Accessibility. "Determine that the thing can and shall be done, and then...find the way." Abraham Lincoln -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/969A17D2221E4DD78793FACD5A34D44A%40HollyPC. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00c201d6608a%24e2e30350%24a8a909f0%24%40windstream.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/SYCPR01MB4048D2DDA229AC88E8734ECC8A760%40SYCPR01MB4048.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com.
RE: Got the moving app solved with Apple Accessibility.
Absolutely, I had decided, as I am prone to do, that it was going to be my way. Jim and I agree that those guys at Apple Accessibility really are patient. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Holly Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 7:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Got the moving app solved with Apple Accessibility. "Determine that the thing can and shall be done, and then...find the way." Abraham Lincoln -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/969A17D2221E4DD78793FACD5A34D44A%40HollyPC. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00c201d6608a%24e2e30350%24a8a909f0%24%40windstream.net.
RE: Got the moving app solved with Apple Accessibility.
Try Not, Do, Or Do not, There is no Try! Yoda, Jedi Master! -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Holly Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2020 11:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Got the moving app solved with Apple Accessibility. "Determine that the thing can and shall be done, and then...find the way." Abraham Lincoln -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/969A17D2221E4DD78793FACD5A34D44A%40HollyPC. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/SYCPR01MB4048394172076FFA708EB4688A760%40SYCPR01MB4048.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com.
Re: Got the moving app solved with Apple Accessibility.
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Got the moving app solved with Apple Accessibility.
Garrett there said, when it highlighted Face Time on top of Page to just swipe right to highlight Contacts; it did remove highlight from Facetime, and we have it on Page two now. YEA!!! -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/009501d66082%24afb26f50%240f174df0%24%40windstream.net.
Apple Accessibility in the UK
United Kingdom.: 0800 107 6285 Richard Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good." Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR17MB115283AFD9E18C5BDDF2EBE0B7B60%40MWHPR17MB1152.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.
For Apple, Accessibility Awareness Happens All Year Long, from Forbs magazine
Below is a very long article, but easier to read this way than on the web site: For Apple, Accessibility Awareness Happens All Year Long Photo of Steven Aquino Steven Aquino Contributor Diversity & Inclusion Steven covers accessibility and assistive technology. The blue accessibility icon on a blue background, with eyes, an ear, and a hand around APPLE May is Accessibility Awareness Month. As I reported last week for iMore, Apple is recognizing the occasion with a slew of minor yet notable updates to its various properties-Apple Store editorial, Apple Support, and more. Celebrating Accessibility Awareness Month is something the company has done for several years, so this year is no different. Like privacy, Apple's commitment to prioritizing assistive technology is institutional; to paraphrase Kendrick Lamar, Apple got accessibility in their DNA. I've heard stories about how former iOS boss Scott Forstall pushed internally for the inclusion of accessibility features into what was then known as iPhone OS. The first batch-VoiceOver, Zoom, Mono Audio, and White-on-Black- made their debut in 2009 with the iPhone 3GS. There is a codified way of doing business at Apple, and accessibility plays a big role. Accessibility is part and parcel of the design process for new products and initiatives within Apple Park. It's my understanding, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter, accessibility is on the ground floor of considerations when Apple starts development of any product. While it's certainly right to laud Apple for recognizing Accessibility Awareness Month, the truth is recognizing accessibility is a continuous project for the company that extends beyond one month or one day. Accessibility awareness is a 365-day affair at Apple. From emoji and WWDC to media events and diversity reports, the company tries hard to ensure people with disabilities are properly represented in just about everything associated with Apple. With this im mind, and with Global Accessibility Awareness Day (GAAD) coming next Thursday, May 21, as of this writing, here are two areas in which accessibility is abstractly prevalent throughout Apple's software and services. Accessibility Makes The Front Page One of the under-the-radar changes made to iOS 13 (and iPadOS and watchOS 6) was the Accessibility settings were moved from the General section of Settings to the front page. To borrow a journalistic expression, the fact Accessibility went "above the fold" is not merely a change for convenience's sake. It is hugely symbolic-and a reflection of Apple's institutional empathy for disabled people. That Accessibility is on the main page, occupying the same space as other critical system settings, sends a subtle yet powerful message that accessibility matters. Not only to users like me with medically-sanctioned conditions, but to every user. Apple is oft to remind people that accessibility features are relevant to anyone, regardless of ability. While these features will (and should) always remain targeted at people such as myself, good software is useful to everyone. You need not have a bonafide visual impairment to appreciate Dynamic Type, for example. (Which is all the more reason third-party developers should support the API in their apps.) In a broader sociocultural context, that Accessibility is on the main page is important. Again, the symbolism is significant. While you certainly could fairly ask why it wasn't done sooner, the fact Apple did this at all speaks volumes about how they value disabled people. Apple is literally putting the needs of people with disabilities front and center; it's a meaningful gesture that goes beyond literal access. By contrast, it annoys me greatly to see news articles and YouTube videos refer to accessibility options as "hidden"-the implication being said features are deliberately buried deep in the bowels of the operating system by an engineer gone rogue, never to be discovered. As I wrote in my piece on Apple and disability discount pricing, ableism pervades society just as much as racism and sexism, yet is talked about far less. Any logical, good-hearted person will agree people with disabilities and our plights matter, but it oftentimes feels like mostly lip service in the grand scheme. As I wrote to conclude the aforementioned piece: Even amidst the steady drumbeat of championing diversity and inclusion, supporters leave out disabled people more often than not. We're relegated to patronizing, feel-good, human interest story status. As such, Apple's decision to move the Accessibility menu stands to challenge those gee-whiz sentiments. It's yet another example of the company saying people with disabilities exist and their needs are important and deserving of accommodation. Disabled people are just as marginalized and underrepresented as women, people of color, and the LGBT community. And that's not even getting int
Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility
The problem is back again I even restored network settings without help. I notice when resetting network settings my bluetooth devices were still there, I thought they would disappear so that I could stabilise my bluetooth connection so network settings do not wipe out bluetooth connectivity devices settings I see? From: Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 5:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility I'm glad xseems to be sorting itself out. If pressing t tries to jump to a table it is because Quick Nav is on. Space+q toggles Quick Nav, and I think space+dot7+q is single quick nav. Maybe it was on automatically if you were not actually editing, or it got turned on by mistake. I will try it with uncontracted on and see if things behave differently. Richard Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today. Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Hi Richard I never use contracted braille I know how to handle this but I never use this on pcs or smartphone applications. The weired thing now is, I am testing maybe for 10 minutes now and the problem got even worse. I went out of an edit field and got back again and typing the letter t prompted the sentense: no table found. I have been switching now between messages app and whatsapp and now suddenly after 15 minutes the iphone is acting as it should and I’ve had two times after deleting characters and composing words again, the feedback of VO stays normal. So there seems to be a huge unstability in my iphone going onn or what else? Davy From: Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility Well, I just wrote and deleted in notes, and VoiceOver keeps talking and sometimes I hear the letters I am deleting. One more question, are you using contracted or uncontracted braille? Richard Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today. Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Richard Turner wrote: OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and deleting still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking. But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them. This is curious to me. I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech when I delete characters. But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an email. I will try it in notes. Richard Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today. Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken. From: Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the bug. I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine. However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have deleted the entire word. Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards? I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting. Richard Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today. Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Hi folks Please do the following using ios13.4.1 Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal. Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go on typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no way to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text I get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing further on. Regards davy -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility
I'm glad xseems to be sorting itself out. If pressing t tries to jump to a table it is because Quick Nav is on. Space+q toggles Quick Nav, and I think space+dot7+q is single quick nav. Maybe it was on automatically if you were not actually editing, or it got turned on by mistake. I will try it with uncontracted on and see if things behave differently. Richard Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today. Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Hi Richard I never use contracted braille I know how to handle this but I never use this on pcs or smartphone applications. The weired thing now is, I am testing maybe for 10 minutes now and the problem got even worse. I went out of an edit field and got back again and typing the letter t prompted the sentense: no table found. I have been switching now between messages app and whatsapp and now suddenly after 15 minutes the iphone is acting as it should and I’ve had two times after deleting characters and composing words again, the feedback of VO stays normal. So there seems to be a huge unstability in my iphone going onn or what else? Davy From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility Well, I just wrote and deleted in notes, and VoiceOver keeps talking and sometimes I hear the letters I am deleting. One more question, are you using contracted or uncontracted braille? Richard Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today. Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Richard Turner wrote: OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and deleting still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking. But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them. This is curious to me. I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech when I delete characters. But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an email. I will try it in notes. Richard Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today. Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken. From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the bug. I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine. However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have deleted the entire word. Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards? I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting. Richard Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today. Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Hi folks Please do the following using ios13.4.1 Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal. Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go on typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no way to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text I get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing further on. Regards davy -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C625dbcf3d2a341a47bc508d7ed128aa1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637238536192511369=BiSo6uJx5TfSH7NJ%2BvU%2BV8qW7cjedmmDIPcY%2F8ZVG%2Bs%3D=0> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility
Hi Richard I never use contracted braille I know how to handle this but I never use this on pcs or smartphone applications. The weired thing now is, I am testing maybe for 10 minutes now and the problem got even worse. I went out of an edit field and got back again and typing the letter t prompted the sentense: no table found. I have been switching now between messages app and whatsapp and now suddenly after 15 minutes the iphone is acting as it should and I’ve had two times after deleting characters and composing words again, the feedback of VO stays normal. So there seems to be a huge unstability in my iphone going onn or what else? Davy From: Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility Well, I just wrote and deleted in notes, and VoiceOver keeps talking and sometimes I hear the letters I am deleting. One more question, are you using contracted or uncontracted braille? Richard Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today. Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Richard Turner wrote: OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and deleting still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking. But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them. This is curious to me. I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech when I delete characters. But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an email. I will try it in notes. Richard Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today. Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken. From: Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the bug. I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine. However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have deleted the entire word. Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards? I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting. Richard Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today. Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Hi folks Please do the following using ios13.4.1 Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal. Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go on typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no way to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text I get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing further on. Regards davy -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/A823818E36134FF78902694DD37C8CBF%40GebruikerPC. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message b
Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility
This ios is so crab Richard, everybody who reproduces bugs has other experiences. That is like ios11.0, most had no bugs but some had a bunch of them. What I can reproduce is that on ios12 I haven’t had any of these annoyances so they are certainly tramendous bugs even if they are device specific on my iphone xr 64 gb. davy From: Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and deleting still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking. But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them. This is curious to me. I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech when I delete characters. But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an email. I will try it in notes. Richard Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today. Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken. From: Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the bug. I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine. However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have deleted the entire word. Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards? I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting. Richard Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today. Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Hi folks Please do the following using ios13.4.1 Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal. Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go on typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no way to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text I get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing further on. Regards davy -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/A823818E36134FF78902694DD37C8CBF%40GebruikerPC. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901BA9A8F73297772F2C871B7AA0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can r
Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility
Well, I just wrote and deleted in notes, and VoiceOver keeps talking and sometimes I hear the letters I am deleting. One more question, are you using contracted or uncontracted braille? Richard Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today. Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Richard Turner wrote: OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and deleting still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking. But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them. This is curious to me. I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech when I delete characters. But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an email. I will try it in notes. Richard Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today. Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken. From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the bug. I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine. However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have deleted the entire word. Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards? I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting. Richard Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today. Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Hi folks Please do the following using ios13.4.1 Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal. Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go on typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no way to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text I get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing further on. Regards davy -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C0fe97edeb7544d779a4508d7ed0fadbc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637238523900127052=CMKQnSJRjGLq44UcGsJYv7yLk5eha8KaQrJ3OFc8OaA%3D=0> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/A823818E36134FF78902694DD37C8CBF%40GebruikerPC<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FA823818E36134FF78902694DD37C8CBF%2540GebruikerPC%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dfooter=02%7C01%7C%7C0fe97edeb7544d779a4508d7ed0fadbc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637238523900127052=a9SgAfVLenozOjUuPdrWjb%2BaRowYx6WISMsGqOkBKrE%3D=0>. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C0fe97edeb7544d779a4508d7ed0fadbc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637238523900137051=aI1Ud02ZedXIJI9oaLnm4vAcKqmXD5SlOlD46kLkGy4%3D=0> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.
